2/10 - 2/12

[Rileyj26]

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but I honestly don't think their lifestyle had anything to do with what happened.

You are kidding correct? Lifestyle plays in part to everything in relation to a child's upbrining. We can throw Elizabeth Smart around all day long....however this was a broken family with issues with drug use...that doesn't help keep a child safe. Then you have all kinds of shady people around you.

[omsk99]

I haven't heard her name released yet.

Her name was released in one of the articles, she is 23. I don't want to post her name myself because I don't have a link to that article, but I have seen it (and her MySpace).

[omsk99]

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but I honestly don't think their lifestyle had anything to do with what happened.

You are kidding correct? Lifestyle plays in part to everything in relation to a child's upbrining. We can throw Elizabeth Smart around all day long....however this was a broken family with issues with drug use...that doesn't help keep a child safe. Then you have all kinds of shady people around you.

What I meant is that I personally do not think what happened on that particular night, i.e. her abduction, was a direct result of their lifestyle or her upbringing. I am not saying in general, just want to make this clear. Whether this was a nice home or a mobile home, if the door wasn't locked, if the abductor knew there would be no adult male in the house, it could happened in either house, regardless of their moral character or family values. JMO

[happy2bme]

Haleigh's father and mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, along with other relatives, stayed near the home on Tuesday while the search was under way.




http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree. I think he's doing a great job.

So he will come out again at about 7PM to update on where they are after some gathering of information through meetings this afternoon or at 9AM tomorrow.

This is so sad, I am praying she is okay and I know either way it doesn't look good after he confirmed no custody issues and that they feel confident that's not in the mix. :unsure:

[Heidi J.]

Haleigh's father and mother, Crystal Sheffield, 23, along with other relatives, stayed near the home on Tuesday while the search was under way.




http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012

Oh.. I hope this little girl is found okay..:crying: Sending my prayers.

[omsk99]

I found the mothers Myspace, which has a lot more information about her. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it though..does anyone know what Coldwaters rules on that is?

I am not sure about that. MySpace is a public profile site, and people have an option to set it to private, but I am not sure what rule applies here. I know in the past we have posted MySpace links, though, but I didn't this time (or the person who sent the link to me) just in case :mellow:

[juliekan]

LE said during the presser that the mother was wherever she lives when this happened. I don't see the revelence of posting her info, since she does not even have custody of the child, just visitation, and LE said there is no problems between the parents concerning this.

[3Monkeys]

I found the mothers Myspace, which has a lot more information about her. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post it though..does anyone know what Coldwaters rules on that is?

I'm not sure of the rules either. Would you mind PM'ing the link to me please? TIA

[lune3]

At this point with what info we have, whether it's correct or not, I'm inclined to believe this was an abduction by somebody who stalked the home and knew the dad's routine. Even to the point of really planning how to get away, possibly via boat.

[omsk99]

At this point with what info we have, whether it's correct or not, I'm inclined to believe this was an abduction by somebody who stalked the home and knew the dad's routine. Even to the point of really planning how to get away, possibly via boat.

ITA, all the facts point to someone who knew that the father would be at work, they/he even brought a brick with them/him, knowing he could safely keep the door open.

[JD1974]

ITA, all the facts point to someone who knew that the father would be at work, they/he even brought a brick with them/him, knowing he could safely keep the door open.


I also agree and it really scares me to think of all the predators who live across the lake...

[omsk99]

I also agree and it really scares me to think of all the predators who live across the lake...

All 66 of them, IIRC!!

[omsk99]

I'm curious about the cinder block too. Of all the things to prop a door open, a cinder block seems like WAY too much! You can't comfortably carry one very far if the perp walked up to the house. I'm glad they're doing tests on it - they're very porous, and a cinder block I would think would have a lot of dust and dirt lodged in the tiny little holes that you could compare to other cinder blocks. So maybe they could tell if it came from some specific person's pile of cinder blocks at their home/work.

Excellent point, I haven't read about the tests being done on the block, but I would imagine they would be doing that. They can probably find out where it came form, at least geographically, like you pointed out, or maybe it will have other forensic evidence, like fingerprints or DNA.

[BevAnn]

I'd say they are asking the dad and gf LOTS of questions of aquantences (Sp?) of theirs who would be familiar with their life and schedules...

[happy2bme]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131087&catid=3

[lune3]

I'm thinking about the dogs now. If Haleigh was carried, which I assume to be the case, would the dogs pick up a scent to the dock? If she was dragged, I would think it would be harder for the perp to control her.

[BevAnn]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131087&catid=3


omg she is ADORABLE! He looked like an attentive dad judging by the few pics there. She is so sweet! Oh guys, I have a realllly bad feeling. Too many sex preds in the area, 17 yr old in charge, dad at work at night. I am so afraid some one was watching them for awhile and knew exactly what to do. :crying:

[juliekan]

I'm thinking about the dogs now. If Haleigh was carried, which I assume to be the case, would the dogs pick up a scent to the dock? If she was dragged, I would think it would be harder for the perp to control her.

LE, at the press conference, said the wind was blowing toward the dock yesterday, therefore the scent from the child's bedding that they had put out for the bloodhounds to smell would have blown that way.

I hope I can find a link for the presser....it was terrific....cleared up a lot of our misperceptions we've had here with the absolutely terrible reporting on this case.

[indie lost]

I wonder WHY the door was propped open. A "normal" abductor would want to cover his tracks...keep the scene as ordinary as possible. Had the door not been propped open the abductor could have had more time to get away.

[lune3]

I wonder WHY the door was propped open. A "normal" abductor would want to cover his tracks...keep the scene as ordinary as possible. Had the door not been propped open the abductor could have had more time to get away.

He would have had his arms full, didn't need to use the doorknob, and probably didn't want make noise fumbling with the door. If it needed to be propped, I'm guessing it was a door that closed by itself.

[Rileyj26]

Again this does not add up...so someone broke into the home...and the other child did not wake up and or see anything yet was in the same bed? What am I missing here.....oh yea common sense. I think possibly she had people over and maybe someone didn't want to leave without the girl. Regardless her parents should be ashamed...ashamed for putting that 17 year old girl in a position where she would think living with a man that is 24/25 with children would be a better enviroment than living at home with her parents. Sorry guys I am going to call them out.....parents need to be parents and stop allowing children..CHILDREN to make grown decisions that will affect their lives forever. It's simply unfair. To everyone involved.

[msgatorslayer]

Verified 44 sex offenders in a 5 mile radius that is just crazy....

Some across the lake...boat, dog leading to dock...

They need to check farther than a 5 mile radius. Going 10 miles is what put Couey on LE's radar screen. As he was just 'over' the 5 mile line.

Also, and JMO, no signs of forced entry doesn't mean that nobody broke in.

With Couey, there was a slice in the screen. Yet, LE was basically saying no signs of forced entry.

Couey confessed to bringing a pocket knife with him in which he used to slice the locked screen door and open the door. IIRC, that door was also not 'latched' when Couey left.

[openminded]

omg she is ADORABLE! He looked like an attentive dad judging by the few pics there. She is so sweet! Oh guys, I have a realllly bad feeling. Too many sex preds in the area, 17 yr old in charge, dad at work at night. I am so afraid some one was watching them for awhile and knew exactly what to do. :crying:

She really is precious.

I'm hoping this is not another Caylee Anthony situation (I can't let go of that case and swore I would not get caught up in another one but here I am).

[lune3]

If the guy brought along a cinder block, he must have figured that door would be unlocked. Again it makes me think this was someone familiar with the family, or maybe had staked out the home and tried the door on a previous occasion to see if it was generally left unlocked.

[Mandysmom]

What I meant is that I personally do not think what happened on that particular night, i.e. her abduction, was a direct result of their lifestyle or her upbringing. I am not saying in general, just want to make this clear. Whether this was a nice home or a mobile home, if the door wasn't locked, if the abductor knew there would be no adult male in the house, it could happened in either house, regardless of their moral character or family values. JMO

ITA! It reminds me of how the Lunsfords and Groene families were ripped up before anybody even knew what really happened.

This can and does happen to anybody at anytime.

[omsk99]

omg she is ADORABLE! He looked like an attentive dad judging by the few pics there. She is so sweet! Oh guys, I have a realllly bad feeling. Too many sex preds in the area, 17 yr old in charge, dad at work at night. I am so afraid some one was watching them for awhile and knew exactly what to do. :crying:

Mom's MySpace page has a lot more photos of her kids, including Haleigh. She is so adorable indeed! I do hope she is safe somewhere :sad:

[Kara]

I'm just now reading the news story on cnn. Do I understand this correctly? The father is the custodial parent and his girlfriend is 17 years old. The 17 year old girlfriend was the one with the child when she disappeared and that disappearance was discovered at 3 a.m.?

Where was dad? (if anyone knows) And how old is dad?

[omsk99]

I'm just now reading the news story on cnn. Do I understand this correctly? The father is the custodial parent and his girlfriend is 17 years old. The 17 year old girlfriend was the one with the child when she disappeared and that disappearance was discovered at 3 a.m.?

Where was dad? (if anyone knows) And how old is dad?

The dad is 25, and he was at work, got home around 3:30 am (LE were verifying it the last time I heard). From what I understand he is the custodial parent of his two children (Haleigh and a 2-year old boy), and his GF is 17 (although she put 19 y.o. on her MySpace). She discovered that Haleigh was missing while the father was at work.

[Dogmatic]

O.k., so now the fog is clearing a little.

Girlfriend reports that little one got up between 3-3:30 to go to the bathroom. That's about the same time Dad arrives home and they discover back door open and little one gone.

But sheets from her bed were discovered outside the home, sooooooooooo.......I see a major inconsistency in the girlfriends story.

If the sheets from the bed were dropped by the perp, then he took the child from the bed.

But the girlfriend says she was already out of the bed using the bathroom...

so which one is it?

[msgatorslayer]

I'm thinking about the dogs now. If Haleigh was carried, which I assume to be the case, would the dogs pick up a scent to the dock? If she was dragged, I would think it would be harder for the perp to control her.

Dogs in the Lunsford case never picked up Jessie's scent from her house to across the street. Couey 'says' that she walked with him. Which, I doubt. But we'll never know.

[msgatorslayer]

O.k., so now the fog is clearing a little.

Girlfriend reports that little one got up between 3-3:30 to go to the bathroom. That's about the same time Dad arrives home and they discover back door open and little one gone.

But sheets from her bed were discovered outside the home, sooooooooooo.......I see a major inconsistency in the girlfriends story.

If the sheets from the bed were dropped by the perp, then he took the child from the bed.

But the girlfriend says she was already out of the bed using the bathroom...

so which one is it?

Information is so conflicting right now. I've seen articles state it was an abduction. Others stating that everyone is a suspect, including her family.

I didn't know about the sheets being left outside. You bring up a good point. Could this all be staging? The brick propped up on the door. The sheet left outside. Set up to look like there was an abduction?

[omsk99]

O.k., so now the fog is clearing a little.

Girlfriend reports that little one got up between 3-3:30 to go to the bathroom. That's about the same time Dad arrives home and they discover back door open and little one gone.

But sheets from her bed were discovered outside the home, sooooooooooo.......I see a major inconsistency in the girlfriends story.

If the sheets from the bed were dropped by the perp, then he took the child from the bed.

But the girlfriend says she was already out of the bed using the bathroom...

so which one is it?

Good point! I can only think that the GF herself wasn't in bed, because otherwise how could have the sheets been taken out of the bed without her knowing it/seeing it?! I highly doubt the perp would know where they keep their sheets, unless he brought them with him (did they say if the sheets were from the Cummings home)? And why would he need to take the sheets at all, if Haleigh was up (what a coincidence, though, that the perp would be in the house at the exact same time as Haleigh got up to go to the bathroom). I still think this was a stranger abduction, and that neither the father nor his GF were involved, but her inconsistencies make me think she might be giving out inconsistent or untrue info so she doesn't look as guilty (I am sure she feels that way).

[lune3]

O.k., so now the fog is clearing a little.

Girlfriend reports that little one got up between 3-3:30 to go to the bathroom. That's about the same time Dad arrives home and they discover back door open and little one gone.

But sheets from her bed were discovered outside the home, sooooooooooo.......I see a major inconsistency in the girlfriends story.

If the sheets from the bed were dropped by the perp, then he took the child from the bed.

But the girlfriend says she was already out of the bed using the bathroom...

so which one is it?

The various reports are inconsistent. Another says the GF was the one who went to the bathroom. And another says the child was sleeping right next to the GF, IIRC "she was sleeping right next to me" and another says GF discovered child's bedroom door open.
What confuses me is that it's stated that GF or child goes to bathroom at 3/3:30, GF makes 911 call at 3/3:30, and father comes home at 3:30. All times similar and just too strange.

We can't speculate on anything because of the facts being confusing.

The only way the sheet thing makes sense is if the child was NOT sleeping with the GF, and that she was taken before 3/3:30, and that it was the GF who went to the bathroom. Also, the GF did not mention the sheet, but mentioned the brick in the 911 call.

[omsk99]

Caylee Search Team Heading to Putnam County

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131094&catid=3

[msgatorslayer]

Caylee Search Team Heading to Putnam County

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131094&catid=3

:thumbsup: Alright!!!!! Thanks for the link!!!

[JD1974]

Caylee Search Team Heading to Putnam County

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131094&catid=3


I was so hoping we would hear that TES was getting involved!

[Dogmatic]

Goooooo TES!!!!

Find this little child

[omsk99]

~snip

"Her name is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. She is a kindergarten student at Browning-Pearce Elementary School in San Mateo, which is southeast of Palatka.

The names change but the story lines remain depressingly familiar when it comes to missing children in Florida. Past cases - Trenton Duckett in Leesburg, Jessica Lunsford in Homosassa, Caylee Anthony in Orlando - have turned into ritualized horror shows that play out on the local 6 o’clock news, CNN, Fox, Internet sites and the front page of the newspaper. Only time will tell how this story turns out."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110949/-1/NEWS05?Title=A_depressingly_familiar_Florida_story

For all these little angels (and sadly many others, Christopher Barrios, Riley Ann Sawyers, Danielle van Damm...)
:rose:

[SpecialK]

My fear is that the timing is way off and she was gone much earlier. Most of us are pretty deep into our sleep cycle at 3:30 a.m. Did girlfriend look over at some point, see Haleigh gone, assume she was in the bathroom, then roll over and doze back off? My 3.5 year old son gets out of his bed EVERY night, moves a gate that we have across our bedroom door (to keep our dog in) and gets in bed with us. Sometimes we are aware of it happening but some nights we miss the whole transaction and just wake up to find him with us. IMO, the girlfriend could have gotten up as Ronald was coming home and had no perception of exactly what time Haleigh was gone -- could have been 2 hours earlier. If a perp was aware of Ron's work schedule, why come for Haleigh moments before Dad gets home?? I think the perp came earlier...

[omsk99]

~Snip

"There's no longer any reason to believe that the child simply wandered outside," said Putnam County Sheriff's Office Maj. Gary Bowling.

The police must "assume abduction," he said.

"All the answers to why you'd want to take a 5-year-old are ugly," Bowling said.

Police have no official suspects, but are treating everyone they interview as one."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/11/missing.florida.girl/

[msgatorslayer]

~snip

"Her name is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. She is a kindergarten student at Browning-Pearce Elementary School in San Mateo, which is southeast of Palatka.

The names change but the story lines remain depressingly familiar when it comes to missing children in Florida. Past cases - Trenton Duckett in Leesburg, Jessica Lunsford in Homosassa, Caylee Anthony in Orlando - have turned into ritualized horror shows that play out on the local 6 o’clock news, CNN, Fox, Internet sites and the front page of the newspaper. Only time will tell how this story turns out."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110949/-1/NEWS05?Title=A_depressingly_familiar_Florida_story

For all these little angels (and sadly many others, Christopher Barrios, Riley Ann Sawyers, Danielle van Damm...)
:rose:

:sad:

Many :rose: bushes for all of the missing and murdered children.

[Dogmatic]

My fear is that the timing is way off and she was gone much earlier. Most of us are pretty deep into our sleep cycle at 3:30 a.m. Did girlfriend look over at some point, see Haleigh gone, assume she was in the bathroom, then roll over and doze back off? My 3.5 year old son gets out of his bed EVERY night, moves a gate that we have across our bedroom door (to keep our dog in) and gets in bed with us. Sometimes we are aware of it happening but some nights we miss the whole transaction and just wake up to find him with us. IMO, the girlfriend could have gotten up as Ronald was coming home and had no perception of exactly what time Haleigh was gone -- could have been 2 hours earlier. If a perp was aware of Ron's work schedule, why come for Haleigh moments before Dad gets home?? I think the perp came earlier...


That's my guess as well. I'm guessing the girlfriend went to bed around 10:00. Someone knew the Dads work schedule, waited for a short time after the girlfriend went to bed and entered through the unlocked door, using the brick to prop it open for a quicker exit. I think the girlfriend thought she locked the door, but did not.

Just like John Couey. Waited until Dad wasn't home, tried the door, and it was open.

[trich]

I was so hoping we would hear that TES was getting involved!

I bet this family will be more appriciative then the Anthonys were.

[JD1974]

I bet this family will be more appriciative then the Anthonys were.



I know they will! This father is devastated and just wants his daughter back. I think he will be grateful for any help that they can get.

[msgatorslayer]

I bet this family will be more appriciative then the Anthonys were.

For sure. I'm glad TES is getting to the scene so fast.

[penguinlady]

I bet this family will be more appriciative then the Anthonys were.

That wouldn't take much :sad:

K

[openminded]

For sure. I'm glad TES is getting to the scene so fast.

True. I just wish the Padilla Sideshow wasn't joining in.

[jewel6]

~snip

"Her name is Haleigh Ann-Marie Cummings. She is a kindergarten student at Browning-Pearce Elementary School in San Mateo, which is southeast of Palatka.

The names change but the story lines remain depressingly familiar when it comes to missing children in Florida. Past cases - Trenton Duckett in Leesburg, Jessica Lunsford in Homosassa, Caylee Anthony in Orlando - have turned into ritualized horror shows that play out on the local 6 o’clock news, CNN, Fox, Internet sites and the front page of the newspaper. Only time will tell how this story turns out."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110949/-1/NEWS05?Title=A_depressingly_familiar_Florida_story

For all these little angels (and sadly many others, Christopher Barrios, Riley Ann Sawyers, Danielle van Damm...)
:rose:

I went to school there :ohmy:

[Dogmatic]

True. I just wish the Padilla Sideshow wasn't joining in.



I'm ok with Lenny P being there. He went a little AWOL on the Caylee Anthony case, but I still think his heart was in the right place and he was trying to expose the truth.

He's a colorful personality and if he can catch enough attention to help find Haleigh alive, I say more power to him.

[Dogmatic]

I really feel that the reason some stories "take off" and others stagnate is for the following reason:

1. rapidly developing clues (in this case: brick in the door, sheets outside)
2. drama (hate to say it, but 17 year old girlfriend, Dad calling her names on the 911 tape)
3. age and location (if they are run-away age they get less press. Florida has been a hotbed for children missing)
4. how the parents play to the media (the more dysfunctional the parents, the more press the kid gets.)


Just my opinion

[sinagua]

Yes, I remember how the Lunsfords were picked apart on here, because they looked different and the dad had custody. I even remember that the grandpa had a prior record from decades ago.

Unfortunately, stranger abduction isn't all that uncommon any more.

I wonder if that little girl's picture had been in the paper, recently?

Our local paper runs a student of the week with pictures of young teens, their full names, the school that they go to and their parents names.

I think that papers need to be more cautious, anymore.

I am glad that TES search is helping out. As far as we can tell, this young girl was reported missing immediately.

[jewel6]

Yikes this is scary! I wonder if someone had been watchimg that home?

[CANDYKISSES]

What the hell was she doing in the bathroom for 2 hrs:scared:

What makes you think she was in the bathroom for TWO HOURS?

[omsk99]

What the hell was she doing in the bathroom for 2 hrs:scared:

She went to the bathroom at 10 pm, 2 hrs later :smile:

[cassidy]

~Snip

"There's no longer any reason to believe that the child simply wandered outside," said Putnam County Sheriff's Office Maj. Gary Bowling.

The police must "assume abduction," he said.

"All the answers to why you'd want to take a 5-year-old are ugly," Bowling said.
Police have no official suspects, but are treating everyone they interview as one."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/11/missing.florida.girl/


***referring to bolded line above***

I REALLY hate that line. Because it is so true.

[lune3]

Wow the father is a piece of work. I know he's upset but he doesn't need to be jerk about it!

The father was in shock, distraught, angry and frantic. He assumed the worse immediately. I can't blame him for going off the handle under the circumstances. Yes, he comes across as volatile. But in fact, my reaction to his outbursts was that he was sincere in his emotion, ruling out any suspicions about him.

[happy2bme]

It is :cursing:


Tis alright, Mr.Lucky.

ROFL:biggrin:

[WhiteShark]

How do we know there is a custody battle, has it been reported? .........snipped for space....

that is why when I posted I said "if", not to speak for anyone else.

[jewel6]

Has mark lunsford spoken out?

[omsk99]

The father was in shock, distraught, angry and frantic. He assumed the worse immediately. I can't blame him for going off the handle under the circumstances. Yes, he comes across as volatile. But in fact, my reaction to his outbursts was that he was sincere in his emotion, ruling out any suspicions about him.

ITA, lune.

[omsk99]

that is why when I posted I said "if", not to speak for anyone else.

Oh, I didn't mean to discredit what you were saying, I thought maybe you read it somewhere, while I missed it :seeya:

[Dogmatic]

Burglars left my door open and also my sons did when they sleepwalked so to me that's not an indication one way or another.

When I heard the father on tv he said his child had been taken. I don't see how he can know that for fact at this time. He just didn't sound believeable to me. Also, a lot of information given initially by the Father and his girlfriend according to fox news and cnn reports. The river the distance of the river from the house, etc. You'd think if the river was a concern girlfriend would have checked and/or the father.


If a burgler was scurrying to get out of the house before the child he/she was carrying woke and cried out, I can see them leaving the door open.

[PROPROS]

For sure. I'm glad TES is getting to the scene so fast.
Me too....Thank God for TES...these great people who do so much more than just ride around with a billboard asking for donations (ala kidfinders)....Prayers that this beautiful child is brought home safely.:rose:mo

[omsk99]

Burglars left my door open and also my sons did when they sleepwalked so to me that's not an indication one way or another.

When I heard the father on tv he said his child had been taken. I don't see how he can know that for fact at this time. He just didn't sound believeable to me. Also, a lot of information given initially by the Father and his girlfriend according to fox news and cnn reports. The river the distance of the river from the house, etc. You'd think if the river was a concern girlfriend would have checked and/or the father.

Remember that it was 3:30 am, I am glad that they called 911 right away instead of checking for themselves (which they could also do afterwards on their own). Father's statement that she was "taken" can be easily explained by him knowing no one in his family was involved in it, and the fact that Haleigh is known to be afraid of the dark and wouldn't go outside by herself in the middle of the night. Obviously, we don't know what happened at this time, I am just trying to rationalize/explain his actions and statements, because I do not believe nor do I want to believe he is involved in any way. JMO

[juliekan]

O.k., so now the fog is clearing a little.

Girlfriend reports that little one got up between 3-3:30 to go to the bathroom. That's about the same time Dad arrives home and they discover back door open and little one gone.

But sheets from her bed were discovered outside the home, sooooooooooo.......I see a major inconsistency in the girlfriends story.

If the sheets from the bed were dropped by the perp, then he took the child from the bed.

But the girlfriend says she was already out of the bed using the bathroom...

so which one is it?

Please someone find the video of the presser! The sheets were not found outside...LE said they took the sheets from Haleigh's bed outside for the bloodhounds to smell.....

[Kip]

The father was in shock, distraught, angry and frantic. He assumed the worse immediately. I can't blame him for going off the handle under the circumstances. Yes, he comes across as volatile. But in fact, my reaction to his outbursts was that he was sincere in his emotion, ruling out any suspicions about him.

I agree.

I just listened to the 911 call and I don't believe either the father or girlfriend had anything to do with Haleigh's disappearance.

I imagine my husband would have said much the same thing as the father did.

The girlfriend sounded distraught too. Her report to the 911 dispatcher was semi-incoherent as is often the case when people are surprised and scared by a situation. IMO, if she had done something to Haleigh, I think she would have worked out a story and told it more clearly.

[Dogmatic]

Please someone find the video of the presser! The sheets were not found outside...LE said they took the sheets from Haleigh's bed outside for the bloodhounds to smell.....


Oh ok. One of the new stations eluded that the sheets were found outside, like they were dropped by the perp.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Dogmatic]

I think the other poster got that information because this article.. http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/02/11/news/news01.txt said that "The back door of a blue doublewide mobile home was open, and a blanket and sheets were scattered on the wooden ramp leading from the door."



Yep, that's the one!!!

[Kip]

Remember that it was 3:30 am, I am glad that they called 911 right away instead of checking for themselves (which they could also do afterwards on their own). Father's statement that she was "taken" can be easily explained by him knowing no one in his family was involved in it, and the fact that Haleigh is known to be afraid of the dark and wouldn't go outside by herself in the middle of the night. Obviously, we don't know what happened at this time, I am just trying to rationalize/explain his actions and statements, because I do not believe nor do I want to believe he is involved in any way. JMO

If my 5-year-old daughter was missing from her bed in the middle of the night and not located close by outside, I'd assume she was abducted.

[juliekan]

I'm still seeing all sorts of inaccurate info at many sites, like that they called 911 at 3:45am....it was 3:27....and seeing CNN say that someone?? went to the bathroom at 10pm. I know, nit-picky of me, but the reporting on this case is terrible.

I wish I had taken notes of the presser, I only remember something when I see something inaccurate posted. Not trying to step on anyone's toes....:smile:

they had said they might have an update this pm.

[omsk99]

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939/-1/NEWS05?Title=Haleigh_s_mom___It_s_tearing_me_apart _

[juliekan]

I don't know why burglars do what they do. I can assume if their arms are carrying anything they wouldn't borther to close a door behind them. Also, neighbors or existing occupants (if any) might be alerted to the sound of a door closing.

I was just reading in this case it's said a brick was proping the door open. paraphrase. Scroll down to where the exchange with the 911 dispatcher.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/11/missing.florida.girl/


LE actually said it was a cinderblock....much bigger than a regular brick..

[jewel6]

LE actually said it was a cinderblock....much bigger than a regular brick..

They probally had ciderblocks around their mobile home. I dont beleive the child wandered down by the water by herself either. especially if she was afraid of the dark. I lived in the same vicinity when i was young right on the saint johns river and we were taught not to go near the water because of alligaters and snakes. jmo

[Dogmatic]

LE actually said it was a cinderblock....much bigger than a regular brick..


I wonder if the cinder block came from their yard or was brought to the scene. In any event, it gives the perception that this was a planned event. Inside job or someone watching that house.

[juliekan]

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/page/2/

by Greta Van Susteren
Note from OTR Producer Justin Wells….there is a reward in the case of the missing child in Florida…posted by a familiar name from the Caylee Anthony story…see and post your comment-

From: Wells, Justin
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:54 PM
To: Van Susteren, Greta
Subject:

The reward lasts 72 hours - then he pulls it off the table.

Here is synopsis ….

Bounty hunter Leonard Padilla is back at it in Florida. He drove up
from Orlando and just told me a few minutes ago- he’ll put up a 72 hour
reward for any tips leading to information which finds Haleigh alive.
He has this offer on the table for 72 hours only.

[omsk99]

Listening to the 911 call now, the girlfriend had to ask the missing girl's father if the door looked like there had been forced entry or not. It took them some time to figure out how to reply to that question.

Another thing. If the Father was right there why did the 17 yr old girlfriend make the 911 call? She didn't even know how to describe the child and didn't know her wt/ht. First reports from Fox said the Father was at work when the g/f found the child misisng about 3:00a.m. I just read a report the father returned home in the afternoon and found the door open.

I hope the police know more than we do at this point.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/11/missing.florida.girl/#cnnSTCOther1

I think the GF was panicking, and I also read somewhere she said my "daughter" is missing. I have never seen that the father returned in the afternoon, though, only at 3:30 am. I am sure LE know more than is being reported, and they are also now doing tests on the evidence they found, like the cinderblock.

[Rileyj26]

Sorry again doesn't add up. If someone broke in and they lived in a single wide trailer they had to been taking some sleep medication not to hear anything. Come on have you been in a single wide trailer talk about hearing everything...the walls are paper thin...but yet they heard nothing? Come on!

[omsk99]

Sorry again doesn't add up. If someone broke in and they lived in a single wide trailer they had to been taking some sleep medication not to hear anything. Come on have you been in a single wide trailer talk about hearing everything...the walls are paper thin...but yet they heard nothing? Come on!

Actually, I read it's a double wide trailer. There have been many known instances when no one heard anything, like others mentioned on this board. Although I find it strange, too, I do not disbelieve them.

[juliekan]

OH! just remembered something else from the presser.

LE said they are questioning all of the family, and also all 44 registered sexual offenders. Said they are offering polygraph tests, for those that would like to take one, to more conclusively rule themselves out. Said they would not disclose who takes or does not take the polygraph, or the results of any polygraph.

[juliekan]

Sorry, I don't mean to be overly skeptical, certainly not obtuse, but a cinder block?

Why?

Come on folks I really would love to learn that a stranger abducted Haleigh, because at this moment, that would still hold out the small chance she could be recovered alive.

But really, an I don't mean to be argumentative, well maybe I do, LOL.

Why would a perp who found easy access to a child’s room, and had her in their possession, take the time to place a cinder block in the door?
Why if he/she was so cleaver, knowledgeable, about the family, would they leave so many possible clues to who they were behind?

.


propped it(the screen door) open on the way in, since the perp's hands would be full of a sleeping child on the way out, and the screen door would slam shut after he walked out?

[cantstandnuts]

Wow, this isn't looking good. I was at work today and couldn't check up on things and had so hoped that when I got home tonight, she'd have been found.

17 year old girlfriend? How old is the dad?

Lots of bad info from the press...unless it's being reported correctly and it's the gf and dad giving out conflictions...has this been clarified, anyone know?

[emdragon]

Sorry, I don't mean to be overly skeptical, certainly not obtuse, but a cinder block?

Why?

Come on folks I really would love to learn that a stranger abducted Haleigh, because at this moment, that would still hold out the small chance she could be recovered alive.

But really, an I don't mean to be argumentative, well maybe I do, LOL.

Why would a perp who found easy access to a child’s room, and had her in their possession, take the time to place a cinder block in the door?
Why if he/she was so cleaver, knowledgeable, about the family, would they leave so many possible clues to who they were behind?
.

Well you could place a brick/block in the door to keep it open enough that all you need to do when going out with a child in your arms is push the door with a shoulder- then the brick/block is going to prevent the door from slamming shut and waking those in the house.

[juliekan]

Jane Velez-Mitchell talking with LE:


10pm-last time Haleigh was seen by GF

3 am-GF woke up to go to bathroom and saw that Haleigh was missing and door was ajar.

She questions him about the inconsistencies in the GF's reported statements (did H. go to the bathroom or the GF?)

He admitted there "seemed" to be some inconsistencies, and that is what they are "checking out."

[omsk99]

Sorry, I don't mean to be overly skeptical, certainly not obtuse, but a cinder block?

Why?

Come on folks I really would love to learn that a stranger abducted Haleigh, because at this moment, that would still hold out the small chance she could be recovered alive.

But really, an I don't mean to be argumentative, well maybe I do, LOL.

Why would a perp who found easy access to a child’s room, and had her in their possession, take the time to place a cinder block in the door?
Why if he/she was so cleaver, knowledgeable, about the family, would they leave so many possible clues to who they were behind?
.

The only explanation that comes to mind is to keep the door open for easier escape. What are the other clues that were left behind, though?

[jewel6]

I wonder if the little brother could tell them anything? was he four?

[omsk99]

I wonder if the little brother could tell them anything? was he four?

Per some accounts he is 2, others - 4.

[VC2]

I'm sorry, but I don't buy the dad's crying act. I think he's hiding something.

Yeah I remember many saying the same about Mark Lunsford and referring to his long hair and bike as proof he was faking tears and the sort to kill his daughter..or at least seemed to be the only thing they focused on.

JMO

[omsk99]

This one is just heartbreaking :sad:

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,6551,00.html#3_0

(you can click at the top to see more photos)

[VC2]

What I meant is that I personally do not think what happened on that particular night, i.e. her abduction, was a direct result of their lifestyle or her upbringing. I am not saying in general, just want to make this clear. Whether this was a nice home or a mobile home, if the door wasn't locked, if the abductor knew there would be no adult male in the house, it could happened in either house, regardless of their moral character or family values. JMO

AMEN! gawd if everyone who smoked dope or had a younger gf was considered a bad parent there would not be enough room to keep the kids somewhere.

And give me a pot smoker over an alcoholic any day.
imo
Getting a little ticked of this trashing of a family in a terrible frightening situation bc they are not the cleavers.

[omsk99]

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/photogallery/missing-kids.html?curPhoto=1

:rose:

[Maelstrom5]

Maelstrom, I think it all this is true, it's safe to assume the perp put the cinder block in the doorway BEFORE picking Haleigh up. That way, he could quietly sneak out of the door without struggling with both doors while carrying the child. Actually I don't think this is unusual for burglars to do, who are anticipating carrying out heavy things while people are sleeping in the home. It makes sense.

RachelRose, we shall see.
I truly hope you are right, and I am wrong.

In the last few months I have adopted a corollary. A always informative question, a question/ hypotheses regardless of the case that needs to be answered, your question RR!

Based on your observations in previous cases I decided to:

Read the published reports;
Divide the statements about what happened/could be the case, by 50%;
And then figure out what may have truly happened.
(The Hanna Upp case was one that stood out)

When I first saw this case it was potentially bad, but no different then a number of others we have followed. But what stands out RR is that in this case we have a very young child, no indication she would wander off in the middle of the night, and she is missing for over 24 hours.

[WhiteShark]

I really feel that the reason some stories "take off" and others stagnate is for the following reason:

1. rapidly developing clues (in this case: brick in the door, sheets outside)
2. drama (hate to say it, but 17 year old girlfriend, Dad calling her names on the 911 tape)
3. age and location (if they are run-away age they get less press. Florida has been a hotbed for children missing)
4. how the parents play to the media (the more dysfunctional the parents, the more press the kid gets.)


Just my opinion


ITA and........reporters who themselves can't help but get jaded have their hinky meters go off......that is what gets attention..

[omsk99]

AMEN! gawd if everyone who smoked dope or had a younger gf was considered a bad parent there would not be enough room to keep the kids somewhere.

And give me a pot smoker over an alcoholic any day.
imo
Getting a little ticked of this trashing of a family in a terrible frightening situation bc they are not the cleavers.

ITA with everything you said!

[Forensicpsy1]

Yeah I remember many saying the same about Mark Lunsford and referring to his long hair and bike as proof he was faking tears and the sort to kill his daughter..or at least seemed to be the only thing they focused on.

JMO

You mean you haven't gotten over that yet? :rolleyes: Geez - it's been about four or five years.

And anyway - it was perfectly appropriate, at the time, for people to question whether Mark was involved. Immediate family is always uspect.


imo

[juliekan]

Lets keep it nice, guys:smile:, I agree it is waaaayyy too early to suspect anyone in particular. As LE said today, "the world is the suspect" at this point.

[omsk99]

You mean you haven't gotten over that yet? :rolleyes: Geez - it's been about four or five years.

And anyway - it was perfectly appropriate, at the time, for people to question whether Mark was involved. Immediate family is always uspect.


imo

For one, how does one get over anything like that.

For two, bashing of a victim's family based on their hair/pot smoking/living in mobile parks etc has nothing to do with trying to figure out what happened to their child. I am not even sure what your point is here. :glare:

[jewel6]

The father just said on nancy that he and the girlfriend passed polygraphs.

[VC2]

O.k., so now the fog is clearing a little.

Girlfriend reports that little one got up between 3-3:30 to go to the bathroom. That's about the same time Dad arrives home and they discover back door open and little one gone.

But sheets from her bed were discovered outside the home, sooooooooooo.......I see a major inconsistency in the girlfriends story.

If the sheets from the bed were dropped by the perp, then he took the child from the bed.

But the girlfriend says she was already out of the bed using the bathroom...

so which one is it?

LE at the presser said something about blankets/sheets given to the dogs to scent didnt they? And bc of the direction the wind blew...so those sheets could have been from that

[Kara]

The dad is 25, and he was at work, got home around 3:30 am (LE were verifying it the last time I heard). From what I understand he is the custodial parent of his two children (Haleigh and a 2-year old boy), and his GF is 17 (although she put 19 y.o. on her MySpace). She discovered that Haleigh was missing while the father was at work.Thanks for your response. I got busy with life issues and then puter problems so I'm slow to get back.

It's too early to decide what's up...but I have a bad feeling on this one. :(

[Forensicpsy1]

For one, how does one get over anything like that.

For two, bashing of a victim's family based on their hair/pot smoking/living in mobile parks etc has nothing to do with trying to figure out what happened to their child. I am not even sure what your point is here. :glare:

My point is that it's time to stop whining about the fact that people looked at Mark Lunsford as possibly being involved in Jessica's disappearance.

It's really not unusual for the parents to be suspects


imo

[playnice]

Yeah I remember many saying the same about Mark Lunsford and referring to his long hair and bike as proof he was faking tears and the sort to kill his daughter..or at least seemed to be the only thing they focused on.

JMO

ITA This man is distraught. I think he is sedated tonight. I probably would have done the same thing and threatened to kill them too.

I bet it is a sex offender. Unless the birth mother took her.

[juliekan]

The father just said on nancy that he and the girlfriend passed polygraphs.

Thanks for that update....LE said they were offering polygraphs to whoever wanted to try and clear themselves, so LE can "cross them off the list".

I must say LE has been all on top of this case. I'm impressed.

[omsk99]

My point is that it's time to stop whining about the fact that people looked at Mark Lunsford as possibly being involved in Jessica's disappearance.

It's really not unusual for the parents to be suspects


imo

Although I don't want to continue this discussion, I feel compelled to reply to this. Just like you, we are looking at all the possibilities and making parallels with past cases, which is not unusual. Let's just all be nice to each other, and hope for the best in this case.

[Forensicpsy1]

ITA This man is distraught. I think he is sedated tonight. I probably would have done the same thing and threatened to kill them too.

I bet it is a sex offender. Unless the birth mother took her.

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110939/-1/NEWS05?Title=Haleigh_s_mom___It_s_tearing_me_apart _

"Haleigh's Mom - It's Tearing Me Apart"

[Forensicpsy1]

Although I don't want to continue this discussion, I feel compelled to reply to this. Just like you, we are looking at all the possibilities and making parallels with past cases, which is not unusual. Let's just all be nice to each other, and hope for the best in this case.

Actually, I don't want to discuss this anymore either and I feel compelled to respond since I wasn't even directing my post to you.

Apparently, you are not aware that posts whining about Mark Lunsford being a suspect in his daughter's disappearance were constant on the Jessica Lunsford board and have been re-posted ever since - by many the same posters.

But thank you for your interest.


imo

[jewel6]

The father passed a polly but what about the g/f? They didn't say she took one on NG.

I thought he said she passed too! JMO

[CC I See]

The father just said on nancy that he and the girlfriend passed polygraphs.... the father said he took and passed the test but was vague about the girlfriend taking the test. It sounded as though he said she took it but then backed away a bit later. Maybe the transcript will be clearer.

[playnice]

I dont want to get wrapped up in another child case, just too heartbreaking but gosh, my heart goes out to this father.
No parent should have to go thru something like that.

[kitty1182]

The father passed a polly but what about the g/f? They didn't say she took one on NG.

I don't recall hearing that she has took one..She needs too..imo

[sinagua]

If my husband came home and our daughter was gone, I think he would have me call the police and he would be outside looking for her.

Perhaps she was already gone, but he couldn't have known that.

We would have been outside calling her name.

The GF is a little younger than my daughter. I can see her not knowing what to do, but she did know to call 911. The dad should have gotten on the phone at that point.

Where does the father work at?

I keep praying for good news.

[omsk99]

Nothing new, I just don't think these articles were posted before:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131126&catid=3

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902111012/1002/news?Title=Haleigh_investigators___We_assume_abduc tion_

Per the second link, Misty discovered that Haleigh was missing when she woke up to go to the bathroom, meaning that she was taken while Misty and the younger boy were asleep in the same room, if I understand this correctly.

[BitterSweet]

Praying for Haleigh's safe return!

I pass no judgement on this family. If this child were abducted from her home, this scenerio could happen to ANYONE! God bless her parents, her fathers pain is evident after viewing all of the footage....
HEARTBREAKING!

[omsk99]

If my husband came home and our daughter was gone, I think he would have me call the police and he would be outside looking for her.

Perhaps she was already gone, but he couldn't have known that.

We would have been outside calling her name.

The GF is a little younger than my daughter. I can see her not knowing what to do, but she did know to call 911. The dad should have gotten on the phone at that point.

Where does the father work at?

I keep praying for good news.

"He works for PDM Bridge, which builds steel girders for bridges."

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090210/ARTICLES/902100984&tc=email_newsletter

[Kara]

This one is just heartbreaking :sad:

http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,6551,00.html#3_0

(you can click at the top to see more photos)
I gather that is the father, the girlfriend and the older blonde woman is the grandmother??


Why does the older blonde woman look so terribly familiar to me?

[VC2]

You mean you haven't gotten over that yet? :rolleyes: Geez - it's been about four or five years.

And anyway - it was perfectly appropriate, at the time, for people to question whether Mark was involved. Immediate family is always uspect.


imo

Nope haven't. because there was not just a little possible suspicion of family, the reasons he was "clearly guilty" and the pure venom thrown at that poor man on this board was and is unforgettable. Even when LE cleared him, and couey was caught there were those still attacking him. iirc you were one but just imo on that. Some even sent him hate mail...how kind as his daughter is dying at the hands of a monster.

Ever since, it is my bar for hateful nasty trashing of a victims family for no reason than they have different lifestyles. took a poly, cooperated in everyway but then called a sociopath, all his tears crocodile tears, anything decent he said was a lie. Heck when his fathers record was revealed and you could argue some suspicion of the grandfather many still kept up their attack on Lunsford and did for a long time. Still do when its brought up in the news.

Oddly i see many of the same ppl did the same in the groene case and are at the vanguard attacking the father in this case it seems. Nope wont get over it or stop using it as the perfect example in cases like this of completely innocent parents who are not "perfect" but some posters decide are guilty of the most hideous crime bc of that.

JMO of course

[openminded]

The father passed a polly but what about the g/f? They didn't say she took one on NG.

I thought the father was attempting to say the girl took one as well (and may have been trying to say she passed) but, as usual, Nancy stepped on his words and so I'm not sure. The reporter she questioned next didn't appear to know.

[Kelly3820]

I am sorry but did the gf pass or not pass the poly?

[Maelstrom5]

The father just said on nancy that he and the girlfriend passed polygraphs.

TY jewel6,

If true then this case is going in a different, even darker, direction.

Why would I say that you may ask?
Because as sad/ pitiful as it may be; parents/guardians killing little kids is nothing new, strangers abducting/killing kids still is.

[omsk99]

I gather that is the father, the girlfriend and the older blonde woman is the grandmother??


Why does the older blonde woman look so terribly familiar to me?

No, the GF is not on the photo - it's their friend, the mother (who is kneeling) and the father's mother.

Hmm, maybe his mother looks a little bit like Patty Potter, Jessie Marie Davis' mom?

[VC2]

The father passed a polly but what about the g/f? They didn't say she took one on NG.

Yes the dad said she took one after him. It was hard to catch tho

[openminded]

I gather that is the father, the girlfriend and the older blonde woman is the grandmother??


Why does the older blonde woman look so terribly familiar to me?

It's the father, his mother, the mother of the child (kneeling) and a family friend. The girlfriend is with her family, according to the reporter.

[PROPROS]

Actually, I don't want to discuss this anymore either and I feel compelled to respond since I wasn't even directing my post to you.

Apparently, you are not aware that posts whining about Mark Lunsford being a suspect in his daughter's disappearance were constant on the Jessica Lunsford board and have been re-posted ever since - by many the same posters.

But thank you for your interest.


imoHi friend...you and I were two of the first( and last) posters on the Jessie board and I remember very well that Mark was thought to "perhaps" be a suspect in Jessie's disappearance...Thank God he had nothing to do with it and I'm saying my prayers that this family is also not involved...Watched NG tonight and the father and girlfriend have taken poly's so thats a good sign...He seemed to come across as truly heartbroken and I will keep praying for this beautiful childs return home safely.mo

[Kara]

No, the GF is not on the photo - it's their friend, the mother (who is kneeling) and the father's mother.

Hmm, maybe his mother looks a little bit like Patty Potter, Jessie Marie Davis' mom?Thanks...the older blonde woman (father's mother) is the one that caught my eye. I don't know who Patty Potter is...but she looks very familiar to me. It's disconcerting...

[camracrazy]

I thought it was weird that on the mother's Myspace there was a message about how her DD was missing from one of her friends, then the next message is that the mom's boyfriend "Bought her as a pet". It probably means nothing but it seems really inappropiate. Why would he even be online doing something like that when Haleigh was missing? Also her "Interests" are taking care of her baby (won't say name here) and the other brats. There are a ton more pics of the new baby than there are of the older two. I don't think the mom had anything to do with it simply because she seems too wrapped up in her new life with the current fiance.

JMHO

[Forensicpsy1]

Nope haven't. because there was not just a little possible suspicion of family, the reasons he was "clearly guilty" and the pure venom thrown at that poor man on this board was and is unforgettable. Even when LE cleared him, and couey was caught there were those still attacking him. iirc you were one but just imo on that. Some even sent him hate mail...how kind as his daughter is dying at the hands of a monster.

Ever since, it is my bar for hateful nasty trashing of a victims family for no reason than they have different lifestyles. took a poly, cooperated in everyway but then called a sociopath, all his tears crocodile tears, anything decent he said was a lie. Heck when his fathers record was revealed and you could argue some suspicion of the grandfather many still kept up their attack on Lunsford and did for a long time. Still do when its brought up in the news.

Oddly i see many of the same ppl did the same in the groene case and are at the vanguard attacking the father in this case it seems. Nope wont get over it or stop using it as the perfect example in cases like this of completely innocent parents who are not "perfect" but some posters decide are guilty of the most hideous crime bc of that.

JMO of course

No. I was not one. But I never ruled Mark out until Sheriff Dawsey did. And I won't rule out Haleigh's father either, until he is cleared by LE.


imo

[Forensicpsy1]

Thanks...the older blonde woman (father's mother) is the one that caught my eye. I don't know who Patty Potter is...but she looks very familiar to me. It's disconcerting...

She looks like Diane Ladd? The actress?

[PROPROS]

http://www.floridasexoffender.net/offender/offenderSearchNav.do

Some offenders in Haleigh's area. They are an ugly bunch:cursing:
I couldn't believe how many sex offenders are registered in that area...What the heck would make so many sex offenders move to a certain area of Florida...I live in a big city so there are many here..but this is a small town.mo

[Kara]

She looks like Diane Ladd? The actress?Hmm...you might be right. I wanted to dismiss the idea, but I may have been thinking of Cheryl Ladd, not Diane. That might be it...

I know...off topic but it was bugging me.

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA This man is distraught. I think he is sedated tonight. I probably would have done the same thing and threatened to kill them too.

I bet it is a sex offender. Unless the birth mother took her.

Major Bowling stated earlier there was NO CUSTODY ISSUES and if true, she would have taken BOTH CHILDREN IMO. I don't think it's the biological mother from what I've seen, read and heard.

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

The father passed a polly but what about the g/f? They didn't say she took one on NG.

Ron Cummings, father of Haleigh did indeed say his girlfriend and him both passed polygraphs on NG. JMO until you can see the transcript for yourself.

[CANDYKISSES]

Thanks...the older blonde woman (father's mother) is the one that caught my eye. I don't know who Patty Potter is...but she looks very familiar to me. It's disconcerting...

The name is Patty Porter, and Patty Porter is the mother of Jessie Davis aka Bobby Cutts VICTIM now deceased, an Ohio case. JMO.:sad:

[aubrey04]

Haleigh's maternal grandparents don't buy the girlfriends story - it seems.. This is what the grandfather said ->

"If you're in the bed with your child and you get up and use the bathroom," Sheffield said, "is there enough time for someone to come to the house and snatch the child out of the bed and disappear... without you getting back to the bed in time? No!"

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131129&provider=rss

[Forensicpsy1]

I couldn't believe how many sex offenders are registered in that area...What the heck would make so many sex offenders move to a certain area of Florida...I live in a big city so there are many here..but this is a small town.mo


Hello PROPROS. Hope you are well.

This might answer your question:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110946/1002

"The women said the area has many registered sex offenders because they can afford to live there and be self employed.

"You can get lost easier down here" Musser said.

[CANDYKISSES]

Haleigh's maternal grandparents don't buy the girlfriends story - it seems.. This is what the grandfather said ->



http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=131129&provider=rss

I noticed Ron kind of himmed and hawed tonight on NG regarding the bathroom too. I was wondering if she might have gotten up and thought Haleigh went into her own room. I guess LE will get to the bottom of that and Major Bowling did say they had to consider SHE IS A CHILD TOO at 17....so maybe they have to go easy. He was specific in stating that inconsistencies do not necessarily equate to falsehoods this early in the investigation IIRC. JMO

[juliekan]

CandyKisses, have you found a link for the presser? You obviously remember it well, I should have taken notes, kept seeing things posted today that had been cleared up by the LE presser. I couldn't find one, but it would be a great help to clear up a lot of misconceptions that we have posted on the board from terrible reporting. TIA

[PocketAces]

I hope the little girl is found safe. This is a very worrisome set of circumstances.

I am confused with all the conflicting reports. One thing, that stood out to me though...apparently the g/f went to bed at 10:00. This seems a little early to me for a 17 year old to go to bed. Perhaps she was tired from having little ones to look after...it just stuck out to me as a bit odd.
Hop:rose:ing for good news for Haliegh.

[CANDYKISSES]

CandyKisses, have you found a link for the presser? You obviously remember it well, I should have taken notes, kept seeing things posted today that had been cleared up by the LE presser. I couldn't find one, but it would be a great help to clear up a lot of misconceptions that we have posted on the board from terrible reporting. TIA

No, but I will go look and see if there is one available. BRB.

[PocketAces]

I think some people are early to bed & early to rise throughout their lives including childhood. I don't think it's early at all. However, I would bet law enforcement is checking out both the g/f's & the Father's statements.
I agree with you. I hope some leads come for LE quickly.

[CHICANA]

I thought it was weird that on the mother's Myspace there was a message about how her DD was missing from one of her friends, then the next message is that the mom's boyfriend "Bought her as a pet". It probably means nothing but it seems really inappropiate. Why would he even be online doing something like that when Haleigh was missing? Also her "Interests" are taking care of her baby (won't say name here) and the other brats. There are a ton more pics of the new baby than there are of the older two. I don't think the mom had anything to do with it simply because she seems too wrapped up in her new life with the current fiance.

JMHO

That's the impression I got too. New man, new baby. She must feel horribly guilty now.

[PROPROS]

Hello PROPROS. Hope you are well.

This might answer your question:

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090211/ARTICLES/902110946/1002

"The women said the area has many registered sex offenders because they can afford to live there and be self employed.

"You can get lost easier down here" Musser said.Hi Forensicpsy! Hope you are well too....The area looks like a peaceful beautiful community..just goes to show that crime and registered sex offenders are everywhere now...Thank goodness at least there is a registry.BTW, Haleigh story coming up on Greta now.mo

[Kara]

I hope the little girl is found safe. This is a very worrisome set of circumstances.

I am confused with all the conflicting reports. One thing, that stood out to me though...apparently the g/f went to bed at 10:00. This seems a little early to me for a 17 year old to go to bed. Perhaps she was tired from having little ones to look after...it just stuck out to me as a bit odd.
Hop:rose:ing for good news for Haliegh.
Does the young girlfriend work? If she had to be to work at 6 am or so, I can surely see her being in bed by 10. If she doesn't work, I would think that was an oddly early bedtime.

[CANDYKISSES]

http://www.pcso.us/

NEW SITE for Sheriffs Dept.


BELOW, if you go to popular videos on the bottom, it's the 2PM presser for today.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/breaking/news-article.aspx?storyid=131065&catid=17

JMO

ETA - GRETA IS COVERING IT NOW.

[Motomom]

My heart can't take too much more of this.. missing kids, strangers, mothers..killing them. Just so very sad. Ha leigh is beautiful and I hope they find her alive and unharmed.

I'm going to go through and read the links and hopefully catch the repeat of NG. I haven't really seen the family yet. I did listen to the 911 call and cried for the father. However, the first person I thought though was the girlfriend. But I'm going to go read more before I pass judgement.

[PROPROS]

You're right, impossible to know who the culprit(s) is until we know; same as for law enforcement investigating the case.

It is heartbreaking. I hope and pray this child is found alive and unharmed. She is beautiful.The bio mothers grandmother is on Greta with the mother...she is not buying girlfriends story.mo

[PROPROS]

I noticed that. I find it difficult to believe at first glance too, that the g/f got up & noticed the child missing from the same bed as her own.Why is the girlfriend not being shown on tv...Has she made any appearances...has her picture been shown. Just strange at this point.mo

[camracrazy]

Why is the girlfriend not being shown on tv...Has she made any appearances...has her picture been shown. Just strange at this point.mo

Maybe because she is still a minor and hasn't yet been charged with anything. Who knows?

[juliekan]

I think most people who follow true crime understand that law enforcement/FBI say they always look inward to those closest to the missing victim first. Thank you.

I wonder if FBI has been called into this case. Seems they often do when the child is under about age 12.

FBI was there today, that is why the local PD cut their forces from 130 men to less today. (from press conference)

[CHICANA]

My heart can't take too much more of this.. missing kids, strangers, mothers..killing them. Just so very sad. Ha leigh is beautiful and I hope they find her alive and unharmed.

I'm going to go through and read the links and hopefully catch the repeat of NG. I haven't really seen the family yet. I did listen to the 911 call and cried for the father. However, the first person I thought though was the girlfriend. But I'm going to go read more before I pass judgement.

I'm with you, there are too many innocents getting hurt at the hands of their selfish mothers or perverts. Many of the sex offenders on the registry barely spent any time in jail. Another thing I detest about our judicial system is that those who are convicted of white collar crimes (embezzelment, stealing from the rich, etc) get more time than men who rape little girls. To me it says that money is more important than a child's life and I'm sick of it.
I wish I had hope that she was alive but I don't.

[juliekan]

I can't imagine why they would leave potential evidence from a crime scene outside likely to be contaminated. Doesn't make sense. Wouldn't they take something else of Haleigh's for the dog's to sniff?

they obviously already did what they had to with her sheets (and she was supposed to be sleeping in the bed with the GF) and pulled those outside for the bloodhounds to sniff (instead of taking the dogs inside) for scent to follow.

[VC2]

I hope the little girl is found safe. This is a very worrisome set of circumstances.

I am confused with all the conflicting reports. One thing, that stood out to me though...apparently the g/f went to bed at 10:00. This seems a little early to me for a 17 year old to go to bed. Perhaps she was tired from having little ones to look after...it just stuck out to me as a bit odd.
Hop:rose:ing for good news for Haliegh.

Could have been tired, might have just laid down with the kids and then dozed off.

Also with a bf who gets off work at 3 or 3 30, there may be a habit of getting up then and making him a bite to eat or spending some time with him. I know that shifts like that can make the other adults change their sleep habits too

[Donnah]

But sheets from her bed were discovered outside the home, sooooooooooo.......I see a major inconsistency in the girlfriends story.


Sheets were not "discovered" outside. The sheriff said in the presser they were out there because they had been given to the scent dogs to smell.

[PROPROS]

I think since she's a minor newspeople and LE hold them to a different standard. They handle them with kid gloves...Yes, I had forgotten she is only 17.mo

[dinojen]

I agree it's strange. But, I think it's because she's a minor (she's 17) and according to police, she has left the scene and is at the home of her family receiving comfort. She apparently is cooperating with LE though, so, I guess that's all that matters.


The GF and the Dad were both just interviewed on Greta.. after the mother and grandmother were interviewed... odd interviews IMO.

Strange that the Dad has sole custody of both children and he was very polite when Greta asked him how he got custody.. when usually it goes to the mother, he explained it as the children being placed in the best home for them.. no derogatory remarks about the mother.

Quite possible someone broke into the home and took this young girl...

The younger child the boy was sleeping in another room and the Haleigh was sleeping with the GF...

Why are these stories from Florida always so bizarre... just blows my mind..
And no offense to Florida posters.. it just seems so weird...

Feel bad for the Dad, he seems devastated.. the Mom.. all she could do is rock in her chair and the Grandmother in a round about way place blame on the Dad.. must of been a ugly custody battle..

Hope Haleigh comes home safe and sound.. I hate hearing about little kids going missing...:sad:


Edited to add... I might of been mistaken.. I thought the woman in the chair next to the dad was the GF.. that's how it sounded to me during the interview with Greta.. I could be wrong... but I heard no mention of it being his sister..

My mistake.. I guess... now I'm really confused... but the Mom was odd.. IMO

[CHICANA]

You would be surprised how many there are, a couple of years ago when they first started putting them online I was amazed on how many were living in my area, the house next to me had 1 living there, some of my clients were also listed.

What about dad, at 25 he's sleeping with a 17 year old, I'm thinking he should be on that list also.

[tmw]

I was just going to ask that Pro, wonder if they will put her in the slammer tomorrow.


Yicks!
Greta was sure pointing that way

[Destini]

I really, really don't want to believe the GF is involved in this ... but I find it very hard to believe someone broke in and took this child out of the bed they were sharing & she didn't hear anything. Haleigh was not abducted IMO.

[Kara]

What about dad, at 25 he's sleeping with a 17 year old, I'm thinking he should be on that list also.
Many states use 16 as the cut-off...but 25 and 17 seems awfully marginal to me.

ETA .... How many parents allow their 17 year old daughter to live with a 25 year old single dad?

[tmw]

The GF and the Dad were both just interviewed on Greta.. after the mother and grandmother were interviewed... odd interviews IMO.

Strange that the Dad has sole custody of both children and he was very polite when Greta asked him how he got custody.. when usually it goes to the mother, he explained it as the children being placed in the best home for them.. no derogatory remarks about the mother.

Quite possible someone broke into the home and took this young girl...

The younger child the boy was sleeping in another room and the Haleigh was sleeping with the GF...

Why are these stories from Florida always so bizarre... just blows my mind..
And no offense to Florida posters.. it just seems so weird...

Feel bad for the Dad, he seems devastated.. the Mom.. all she could do is rock in her chair and the Grandmother in a round about way place blame on the Dad.. must of been a ugly custody battle..

Hope Haleigh comes home safe and sound.. I hate hearing about little kids going missing...:sad:

That was the dad's sister not the girlfriend.

[kitty1182]

I really, really don't want to believe the GF is involved in this ... but I find it very hard to believe someone broke in and took this child out of the bed they were sharing & she didn't hear anything. Haleigh was not abducted IMO.

I don't think she was either..

[PROPROS]

You would be surprised how many there are, a couple of years ago when they first started putting them online I was amazed on how many were living in my area, the house next to me had 1 living there, some of my clients were also listed.I know how shocking it is first hand to see someone you know listed on a sex offender website....A good friend of my sister's FIL started taking an "interest" in my then 12 year old nephew...Out of curiousity we checked The Megan's Law website (hear in Ca) and low and behold he was not only registered.....He had formerly been incarcerated for crimes against a minor. Needless to say, the friendship was terminated before this creep could act out!mo

[BitterSweet]

Why is the girlfriend not being shown on tv...Has she made any appearances...has her picture been shown. Just strange at this point.mo



I believe she is a minor, not certain?

[Destini]

Greta said it was the Father & his Sister (the missing child's aunt)



I didn't think the father was so polite. He set right out trashing the Mother & Grandmother because of statements they made. The Grandmother said she found it hard to believe someone could take the child sleeping in the bed with the g/f and her not notice. paraphrase.

The Father said he didn't appreciate it and called it derogatory statements by his ex-mil.

Reality is they said it regarding his girlfriend, not him. Yet he took it personally and bashed them for their thoughts.

He said there was forced entry to his door. Sheriff said no forced entry to his door. I believe the sheriff at this point. Besides he had his g/f say there was no forced entry to his door in the 911 call. Later recanted and said there was forced entry to the door.

Shouldn't be too hard to figure out. All the sheriff would have to do is look at it. Father said he deadbolted the back door when he went to work. Yet someone took her, he's sure by forced entry.

Fox reported the g/f's photo not released due to her underage status. She's only 17.

Hmm, I missed that part about the sheriff saying there was no forced entry. I did hear the father say he knew the doors were locked & the back door was deadbolted, then he mumbled something about a crowbar, that you'd have to ask the investigators about it. Curious.

[PROPROS]

I guess we won't really know for sure until the police say they both are cleared. I hope they had nothing to do with Haleigh missing and that only leaves one reason why she is missing:crying:The father IMO has come off (in his interviews) as truly heartbroken and unfortunately it is looking like a stranger abduction or perhaps someone the family knows...It's not as if it hasn't happened before. It's a sad world when a child is not even safe in their own bed...Danielle, Elizabeth,Shasta, Dylan and Jessica....Too many children being abducted from home.mo

[PROPROS]

From the 911 tape I was thinking 15 or 16.

JMO
Oh Good Lord I hope not.!!mo

[CHICANA]

Many states use 16 as the cut-off...but 25 and 17 seems awfully marginal to me.

ETA .... How many parents allow their 17 year old daughter to live with a 25 year old single dad?

I believe she was reported as 16 in some articles, I wonder if she's almost 17 and they're protecting him ?
It's hard to control a 17 year old (believe me, I know). Sometimes calling the cops causes more problems + she could have been lying to her parents about where she was and how old he was.
Or, how about this ? She was babysitting for him. Many parents would have bought that. Any idea if she lived with him ?

[Motomom]

The father IMO has come off (in his interviews) as truly heartbroken and unfortunately it is looking like a stranger abduction or perhaps someone the family knows...It's not as if it hasn't happened before. It's a sad world when a child is not even safe in their own bed...Danielle, Elizabeth,Shasta, Dylan and Jessica....Too many children being abducted from home.mo

The father is heartbreaking.. what a difference from the "other" case. Man, real grief we are seeing here. He's is devestated IMO. I'm wondering if maybe it is someone he knows. Someone that knows who is there and when. I hope they find her. I am suspicious of the girlfriend though.. But we'll see what comes out of that.

[newsjunkie]

The name is Patty Porter, and Patty Porter is the mother of Jessie Davis aka Bobby Cutts VICTIM now deceased, an Ohio case. JMO.:sad:


So does that make the son sister to Jesse? Oh that poor woman 2 grandbabies and a daughter?

[dinojen]

My mistake and I apologize.. I thought it was the GF being interviewed on Greta.

I seem to believe more the father's story than the mother and the grandmother.. it's pretty unusual for the father to gain full custody of children than the mother.. just has me wondering why.

My kids all live in Florida.. California transplants.. and the first thing my daughter told me was .. with her brothers who were unattached at the time.. how quickly mother's try to find a catch for their daughter's no matter the age.. I laughed it off...but I have to wonder why an adult man would want to be in a relationship with a young girl of 16 or 17... weird to me.. but then I'm on the west coast..

I sincerely hope this young girl is found safe..

Mind boggling at the number of sex offenders in their area.. I was like whoa... :scared:

[Motomom]

So does that make the son sister to Jesse? Oh that poor woman 2 grandbabies and a daughter?

:confused:

No, that isn't Ronald Cummings mother. She was just saying who she looked like.

[PROPROS]

And those are just the high profile cases, when Danielle went missing there was also a boy named Jali that went missing in San Diego also, not much was said about him.Little Adji is still missing(from Florida) and they have cleared the family and conducted many searches for that boy...He wasn't in his bed,but he was in his own front yard...Anthony Martinez was in his back alley (with other children) when Joseph Duncan abducted him....Same with Erin Runnion,she was in her front area playing with other children.mo:sad:

[CHICANA]

[QUOTE=dinojen;12771275]My mistake and I apologize.. I thought it was the GF being interviewed on Greta.

I seem to believe more the father's story than the mother and the grandmother.. it's pretty unusual for the father to gain full custody of children than the mother.. just has me wondering why.

My kids all live in Florida.. California transplants.. and the first thing my daughter told me was .. with her brothers who were unattached at the time.. how quickly mother's try to find a catch for their daughter's no matter the age.. I laughed it off...but I have to wonder why an adult man would want to be in a relationship with a young girl of 16 or 17... weird to me.. but then I'm on the west coast..

I sincerely hope this young girl is found safe..

Mind boggling at the number of sex offenders in their area.. I was like whoa... :scared:[/QUOTE

I don't trust the family court system with good reason, google CPS corruption and you'll see what I mean. Florida is also one of the worst states IMO when it comes the child welfare system. I don't live in Florida but I've read alot about it, and it got worse when Jeb Bush took charge.
Dad has an underage girlfriend in charge of his two small children til 3 in the morning, I don't know if mom's any better but she didn't disappear on mom's watch.

[PROPROS]

The sheriff pointed out to Greta tonite that the stories of who was there comes only from the g/f & the Father. He sounded suspicious of them to me. He said; '..keep in mind that those are the stories of the g/f and the father....we don't know for sure...only that that's what they've said....'

Sheriff said they don't know for certain what time the child became missing.
I missed part of the sherrif's interview...Did he happen to say anything about the results of the polys...I heard the father say (on NG) that they had both passed. Any confirmation.mo

[VC2]

From the 911 tape I was thinking 15 or 16.

JMO

i didnt think that, and i am pretty sure that LE knows the age, they haven't corrected the 17. Her myspace had her age as 19, she probably told many that including her b/f. I went on a blind date as a 16 year old, set up by a friend of mine who thought i was 18. The poor guy turned white at the end of the night when i told him my real age. Never did see him again and he was gorgeous :confused: think my age might have had something to do with it :laugh:

I never told ppl my real age, not sure i did why i did with him.

[Motomom]

The sheriff pointed out to Greta tonite that the stories of who was there comes only from the g/f & the Father. He sounded suspicious of them to me. He said; '..keep in mind that those are the stories of the g/f and the father....we don't know for sure...only that that's what they've said....'

Sheriff said they don't know for certain what time the child became missing.


I missed Greta, was watching NG. I'm not suspicious of the father at all. I hate when we don't have a links thread, it's a pain going back through the thread.. time consuming. But anyways, I'm thinking, just gut feeling mind you, that maybe the gf knows who took her. I'm thinking the father is easy enough to clear, his alibi, he was at work right? Now the gf in the 911 call said "we" when discussing what time she put her to bed.. WE.. now I thought that he went into work in the afternoon?

[PROPROS]

Samantha Runnion. Heartbreaking cases; all. Anthony Martinez case was solved by our own hamlet. I was so proud of her. I argued with her for 3 hrs that I didn't think it possible Duncan could've been his killer. I argued with hamlet the distance/time was too outlandish. I couldn't have been more wrong. Duncan's fingerprint on the duct tape. I couldn't follow either of those cases they were so bad.Yes Samantha not Erin...Erin was the mother...Thats what I get for listening to American Idol and typing at the same time....I just recently heard that Duncan will be coming to California to stand trial in the Anthony Martinez case...His brother was actually there when JD abducted Anthony...mo

[Motomom]

i didnt think that, and i am pretty sure that LE knows the age, they haven't corrected the 17. Her myspace had her age as 19, she probably told many that including her b/f. I went on a blind date as a 16 year old, set up by a friend of mine who thought i was 18. The poor guy turned white at the end of the night when i told him my real age. Never did see him again and he was gorgeous :confused: think my age might have had something to do with it :laugh:

I never told ppl my real age, not sure i did why i did with him.

A bit o/t. I was just at an internet crime meeting and this was discussed, girls lieing online about their ages, over and over and over again. I think it is unfair to constantly put the blame on the young men that they get together with. I am a mother of both girls and a boy and I am sometimes more scared for him in life, seeing how some young girls are. It was quite shocking to alot of people what we were told tonight about it. Anyway, my point is at that age, they often times look much older and sometimes they are mature for their age, I dont' think men are. I really don't see the issue with the father and this gf.. now her parents allowing her to move out and live with him, a different story..but we don't know yet. She hasn't been interviewed yet that I know of..at least on camera right?

[Motomom]

I didn't hear him say anything about polygraphs. I just turned on the tv when I heard him say what I just repeated.

I haven't seen NG yet. Will watch the repeat in about 1 1/2 hrs.
It's so tragic. I hope they find the little child alive and well but I'm skeptical. The father didn't come off as genuine to me. I hope I'm wrong about that.

I heard Greta say he has a history of volatile temperment. Is it possible he lost his temper and harmed the child in a fit of rage? I'm trying to think of how parents could harm their own child or why that would happen. hypothetically at this stage, since we can't know.


Adalena, I found him genuine, sedated a bit maybe, but genuine none the less on NG.. Didn't see Greta. What is it about him that you don't find genuine if I may ask? Just curious.

[Leather&Lace]

Anyone under the age of 18 is considered a minor in Florida.

Here is a link to the marriage laws for all states.
http://usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_states/legal_age_of_consent/index.shtml

"Florida: If an individual is under 18 years of age, but older than 16 years of age, a marriage license can be obtained with parental consent."

Just for the record since the conversation has come up regarding the age of the g/f.

[PROPROS]

I didn't hear him say anything about polygraphs. I just turned on the tv when I heard him say what I just repeated.

I haven't seen NG yet. Will watch the repeat in about 1 1/2 hrs.
It's so tragic. I hope they find the little child alive and well but I'm skeptical. The father didn't come off as genuine to me. I hope I'm wrong about that.

I heard Greta say he has a history of volatile temperment. Is it possible he lost his temper and harmed the child in a fit of rage? I'm trying to think of how parents could harm their own child or why that would happen. hypothetically at this stage, since we can't know.I really hope not Adalena...We certainly do know that a parent can harm their own child...I hate thinking about what goes through a small child's mind before they are hurt or murdered by their own parent.The people of Florida have had so much sadness already in the last year...Praying for the best.:rose:

[Leather&Lace]

I didn't hear him say anything about polygraphs. I just turned on the tv when I heard him say what I just repeated.

I haven't seen NG yet. Will watch the repeat in about 1 1/2 hrs.
It's so tragic. I hope they find the little child alive and well but I'm skeptical. The father didn't come off as genuine to me. I hope I'm wrong about that.

I heard Greta say he has a history of volatile temperment. Is it possible he lost his temper and harmed the child in a fit of rage? I'm trying to think of how parents could harm their own child or why that would happen. hypothetically at this stage, since we can't know.

I missed Greta but will catch her at 1:00 EST. I did watch NG and the dad (Cummings) said that both he & the g/f took and passed with flying colors the poly. The father seemed sincere to me with his grief during TV interviews. I'd be interested to hear from co-workers about his demeanor at work if there is any question. I'm fairly certain LE has already interviewed ppl the dad worked with on that shift. The dad seemed to be devastated. I did notice he used the F word during the 911 call.

JMO
Praying this beautiful little 5 y/o is found safe. So scary that someone else has managed to snatch a child right out of their home while sleeping.

[Leather&Lace]

His conflicting statements for one thing. When the 911 operator asked the g/f if there was signs of break-in to the door she conferred with the Father & then said no. The father told Greta there was signs of forced entry to the door. After having instructed the g/f to say no to that question by the 911 operator.

He won't look anyone in the eye so far as I've seen. Anyone can put their face in their lap and pretend to be grief stricken. I just don't take him as truthful. Mostly due to his conflicting statements about the condition of the back door.

Sheriff said there was no signs of forced entry. Father says there is, no wait there is not. I believe the Sheriff and not the father. He isn't trustworthy to tell the truth all the time so far.

If he says the door was broken, then it was not he's a liar at least 1/2 the time with that one issue. That is not a genuine person in my opinion.

I could be wrong, granted. Maybe he's just upset and didn't remember the condition of the back door all the time, but I doubt it. Maybe I'll get another impression of him when I see him on Nancy Grace tonite. Or maybe my 1st impression will become more solidified when I see/hear him more. I'll keep an open mind. I kind of look at it the way LE says they do, or try to. LE says people who change stories become suspicious to them.

Right now I am not suspicious of the father but that may change as the case moves forward. I will back you up on one observation, I too noticed that he did not look into the camera when speaking on NG. If you watch the re-run, you will notice that as well. He looks down in his lap while answering NG's questions.

[Leather&Lace]

The thing that doesn't make sense is if he deadbolted the door then how did the kidnapper get in if there was no forced entry? He must have not locked it that day or it was someone in the house that did something with Haleigh:crying:

If this is a stranger abduction, it is possible the perpetrator could have been in the house for a while. He could have slipped in and could have been hiding and just waiting on an opportunity to snatch the child. I imagine a sexual predator would do most anything to get their victim.
Terrible but just a thought.

[Kelly3820]

I just heard a heavy hesitation in the sheriff's voice when Greta asked him if the gf was a POI. I don't know it would help if we knew about the polys if any were taken and if both passed or not.

[Motomom]

His conflicting statements for one thing. When the 911 operator asked the g/f if there was signs of break-in to the door she conferred with the Father & then said no. The father told Greta there was signs of forced entry to the door. After having instructed the g/f to say no to that question by the 911 operator.

He won't look anyone in the eye so far as I've seen. Anyone can put their face in their lap and pretend to be grief stricken. I just don't take him as truthful. Mostly due to his conflicting statements about the condition of the back door.

Sheriff said there was no signs of forced entry. Father says there is, no wait there is not. I believe the Sheriff and not the father. He isn't trustworthy to tell the truth all the time so far.

If he says the door was broken, then it was not he's a liar at least 1/2 the time with that one issue. That is not a genuine person in my opinion.

I could be wrong, granted. Maybe he's just upset and didn't remember the condition of the back door all the time, but I doubt it. Maybe I'll get another impression of him when I see him on Nancy Grace tonite. Or maybe my 1st impression will become more solidified when I see/hear him more. I'll keep an open mind. I kind of look at it the way LE says they do, or try to. LE says people who change stories become suspicious to them.

Wel he didn't do any looking in the eyes on NG but I'm not sure he had any eyes to look into. He did seem sedated and his speech was a bit slurred. Post yor impressions after you watch. As for the door, I don't htink he "instructed" her.. she asked him and I'm thinking maybe his mind was going a mile a minute and he wasn't remember if there was prior damage or not. Just my thoughts. I want to see Greta and see the other family members.

She's such a cute little girl. I just have a feeling maybe someone else was there. I know this sounds terrible, but I kind of would rather it be a family memmber or friend because it scares me to think we have that many sick people in the world, that they would go and steal a strangers child. I know there are, I know they do..but I'd rather think it's someone they know..not someone that could come into my own home..if that makes sense

[msgatorslayer]

The thing that doesn't make sense is if he deadbolted the door then how did the kidnapper get in if there was no forced entry? He must have not locked it that day or it was someone in the house that did something with Haleigh:crying:

There were no signs of forced entry in the Lunsford case. While the screen door had a slice in it {per the Lunsfords, something they noticed after the abduction} LE didn't think it meant anything.

Jump to Couey's confession, he used his pocket knife to make that slice in the screen door. Reached in and opened the door. Not completely latching it on his way out. {Something else the Lunsfords mentioned that morning}

I believe, when asked, especially under stress, we all believe we locked our doors the night before. It's a natural thing that we all do. But do we ever count how many times in one year that we accidentally forget?

I agree it is odd and there is a discrepancy here in this case. Someone is wrong and someone is right. We wait to find out who that is.

Maybe the GF opened the door up and forgot to lock it again.

[Forensicpsy1]

What about dad, at 25 he's sleeping with a 17 year old, I'm thinking he should be on that list also.

I believe it's Statutory Rape. Florida Statute 794.05.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0794/SEC05.HTM

[Kelly3820]

Does the mom have any family or friends living near where her daughter lives?

[Forensicpsy1]

There were no signs of forced entry in the Lunsford case. While the screen door had a slice in it {per the Lunsfords, something they noticed after the abduction} LE didn't think it meant anything.

Jump to Couey's confession, he used his pocket knife to make that slice in the screen door. Reached in and opened the door. Not completely latching it on his way out. {Something else the Lunsfords mentioned that morning}

I believe, when asked, especially under stress, we all believe we locked our doors the night before. It's a natural thing that we all do. But do we ever count how many times in one year that we accidentally forget?

I agree it is odd and there is a discrepancy here in this case. Someone is wrong and someone is right. We wait to find out who that is.

Maybe the GF opened the door up and forgot to lock it again.

The dad told Greta that he doesn't know how the door was opened since he bolt locked it himself -and that LE said something about a crowbar. Then he told Greta she'll have to ask LE.

[Leather&Lace]

IMO, 17 y/o is really young for a mid-twenty something guy. I know it happens but still makes me go hmmm.

Wonder why the g/f did not call 911 until the b/f arrived home?
Wasn't there something like 25 min that passed from the time she woke up until the time the b/f got home?
Also, the b/f said the g/f was calling him and he was pulling in the driveway and did not answer. He also went on to say that she was at the front door and he knew then something was wrong.
NG show.

I have so many questions.
Wonder when the last time anyone other than g/f and dad saw Haleigh? Did Haleigh go to pre-K or Kindergarten?
Were any of the 17 y/o's friends at the home while the dad was at work?
Just so many questions but will have to leave to LE to ask.

[Kelly3820]

I guess I have many questions but does anyone know besides the gf and the dad who was the last person to Haleigh.

[Leather&Lace]

I just posted that same question. Also, if the child went to pre-K or K everyday. Lots of questions that I am sure LE is in the initial stage of gathering answers to right now. Also, I understand the FBI is involved.

At any rate, I wish NG or Greta had asked some of those same questions.

[Forensicpsy1]

She went to Kindergarten. Was she in school that day?

[Kelly3820]

I wonder if the gf had friends over after the dad went to work and is to afraid to tell and forgot to lock the door.

[omsk99]

The name is Patty Porter, and Patty Porter is the mother of Jessie Davis aka Bobby Cutts VICTIM now deceased, an Ohio case. JMO.:sad:


Sorry, I misspelled her last name, thanks for catching that!

[Forensicpsy1]

HE said - LE said something about a crowbar?

Sheriff told Greta there was no signs of forced entry. I believe him.

I'm going to watch Greta again at 1am. IIRC when he said he deadbolted the door when he left for work - Greta asked him how did the person get in? And he said something about a crowbar and she'll have to ask LE.


imo

[Leather&Lace]

I don't know. Surely someone besides the two of them has seen her recently. The mother & g-mother said 2 weeks. The sister of the father said 2 weeks.

So apparently those other family members not living with her have not seen her for 2 weeks. Other than that I don't know if there's been any more info.

I too wonder how long she's been missing. Doesn't sound to me like the sheriff is buying their story of 3:00a.m. Tuesday. Because he emphasized the phrase KEEP IN MIND..THIS IS WHAT THEY HAVE TOLD US...WE DON'T KNOW FOR CERTAIN...WHEN SHE ACTUALLY WAS MISSING

The way he says that stands out to me. and that is my paraphrase but very close to his words to Greta tonite. I got the impression from that that LE doesn't believe their story per se. ETA: I bet LE's talked to school officials and I bet she hasen't been there on scheduled days recently. Just my gut feeling.

You know, I hate to speculate on this but they did say the 17 y/o was upset and with her family. It would be fairly easy to intimidate a 17 y/o with a "go along with" something that happened. I found it a bit odd to say the least that the g/f was not by her b/f's side.
If the adults are involved with this case, the story of waking up at 3 to go to the bathroom was not a good one.
Hinky Meter with the going to the bathroom, child missing and dad coming home from work all at the same time just hmmmmmmmm.

[emdragon]

Nope haven't. because there was not just a little possible suspicion of family, the reasons he was "clearly guilty" and the pure venom thrown at that poor man on this board was and is unforgettable. Even when LE cleared him, and couey was caught there were those still attacking him. iirc you were one but just imo on that. Some even sent him hate mail...how kind as his daughter is dying at the hands of a monster.

Ever since, it is my bar for hateful nasty trashing of a victims family for no reason than they have different lifestyles. took a poly, cooperated in everyway but then called a sociopath, all his tears crocodile tears, anything decent he said was a lie. Heck when his fathers record was revealed and you could argue some suspicion of the grandfather many still kept up their attack on Lunsford and did for a long time. Still do when its brought up in the news.

Oddly i see many of the same ppl did the same in the groene case and are at the vanguard attacking the father in this case it seems. Nope wont get over it or stop using it as the perfect example in cases like this of completely innocent parents who are not "perfect" but some posters decide are guilty of the most hideous crime bc of that.

JMO of course

VC it isn't worth the breath. The same posters that trashed Mark Lundsford were the same ones blaming the Groene family for their own deaths and For the very same reasons.
They can't see the difference between the nasty unfounded comments and the rational suspicion of family members in cases like this.
They won't change their point of view on this anymore than we can.

What matters is finding that little girl or we just may need to put a parental warning on the state of Florida- it is a magnate for crimes against children like the Northwest is a magnet for serial killers.

[msgatorslayer]

Lunsford door unlocked

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lunsford+door+unlocked&aq=f&oq=

In this case if the g/f unlocked the door why would the father insist he deadbolted it and it was not unlocked, but damaged due to forced entry?

He sliced the screen in order to get his hand in and unlatch the screen door before opening the door.

My point is, LE said there was no signs of forced entry. Knowing from the early hours that there was a slice in that screen. They interrogated Archie Lunsford thinking he was good for it. No signs of forced entry, the dog didn't bark, bla, bla, bla. They investigated that slice and didn't think it meant an intruder came into that home.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=no+signs+of+forced+entry+jessica+lunsford

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Couey+cut+the+screen+door+jessica+lunsford

The GF may be afraid to speak out and say that she opened it. Forgetting to lock it, again.

[Leather&Lace]

Yes, she was in school that day. Her dad saw her after she got off the bus from school before going to work.

Could the air conditioner repair man who was there that day have unlocked the back door, and it didn't get locked again?

TY for clearing up the question regarding Haleigh being in school that day. I did not know about the air conditioner repair man. I plan to watch Greta at 1:00 and catch up. Saw NG but missed Greta.

IIRC, the dad said on NG that the screen door was propped open with a cinder brick that he did not recognize. He did go on to say the screen door had a plastic lock on that door.
So, there are 2 doors in reference to the back entry way.
A back door and a screen door.

[juliekan]

Does anyone know if they are searching at night also? I bet it's killing the family not to be able to go out and search

I'm behind ya'll, just catching up on the reading so this may have already been answered. LE during the presser today said they would be doing an infrared search of the water, again, tonight, as they did last night.

[Leather&Lace]

He sliced the screen in order to get his hand in and unlatch the screen door before opening the door.

My point is, LE said there was no signs of forced entry. Knowing from the early hours that there was a slice in that screen. They interrogated Archie Lunsford thinking he was good for it. No signs of forced entry, the dog didn't bark, bla, bla, bla. They investigated that slice and didn't think it meant an intruder came into that home.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=no+signs+of+forced+entry+jessica+lunsford

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Couey+cut+the+screen+door+jessica+lunsford

The GF may be afraid to speak out and say that she opened it. Forgetting to lock it, again.

I wondered same and posted earlier if the g/f might have had any friends over while the b/f at work. It is possible they thought the door was locked but it was not. It happens.

[msgatorslayer]

I wonder if the gf had friends over after the dad went to work and is to afraid to tell and forgot to lock the door.

This is what I'm wondering about. Kinda like a teen knowing friends aren't suppose to be over while the parents are gone.

[Zeus]

I wonder if the gf had friends over after the dad went to work and is to afraid to tell and forgot to lock the door.

Here's another thought that has crossed my mind: Maybe the Girlfriend wasn't there when Haleigh was abducted. It appears that someone left that door unlocked and since it couldn't have been one of the children---it had to be her (Unless it was indeed broken open with a crow bar). She may have put the children to bed at 8pm and then left, through the back door, to visit friends or neighbors. She knew her boyfriend would be home shortly after 3am so went home at 3am and discovered Haleigh missing. Just a thought.

[Zeus]

This is what I'm wondering about. Kinda like a teen knowing friends aren't suppose to be over while the parents are gone.

I know it was reported that Mr. Cummings took a lie detector test and passed but how about the girlfriend? It's just hard to believe she went to the bathroom, which apparently is connected to the bedroom, and she was abducted within seconds. I don't think the girlfriend had anything to do with the abduction---I just have my doubts as to whether or not she was home when it happened.

[Forensicpsy1]

Okay I see what you're saying now. That the early reports about forced entry in this case may be wrong on the part of LE also.

You're right in all you say. What a bad idea for people to lie to LE in a matter this serious, but she might have lied about unlocking the back door. Only thing is the dad told Greta tonite they never used that door, but he locked it every day when he went to work.

I don't know why anyone would lock a door every day that they never used. Also if they never used it as the dad claims why would the g/f even go near it if they never went near it as the dad claims?

True there may be many things yet unknown to us which I'm sure there are.

I don't believe the g/f unlocked the deadbolt on that door. I think the dad may be hiding something he doesn't want LE to know. If he has a history of volatile temperment as greta said then it's possible he lost his temper and harmed the child until she died and he's trying to hide it. It's possible. Just as possible as the g/f unlocking the deadbolted door that nobody ever used.

Are you on the East Coast? I have Greta comiong on again. Watch when she asks him about the deadbolt and how the person got in. He looks very uncomfortable and then mentions the crowbar.

At least that's how I remember it. lol


imo

[Zeus]

That's possible but I think given her young teen-age of 17 that she would be pretty easy for LE to get the truth from. Whatever happened I think she will probably tell LE.

I think she will too, Adalena. Even if she did leave those kids alone, which would be wrong, I feel sorry for her. She's only 17yrs old and she must be terrified.

[msgatorslayer]

Okay I see what you're saying now. That the early reports about forced entry in this case may be wrong on the part of LE also.

You're right in all you say. What a bad idea for people to lie to LE in a matter this serious, but she might have lied about unlocking the back door. Only thing is the dad told Greta tonite they never used that door, but he locked it every day when he went to work.

I don't know why anyone would lock a door every day that they never used. Also if they never used it as the dad claims why would the g/f even go near it if they never went near it as the dad claims?

True there may be many things yet unknown to us which I'm sure there are.

I don't believe the g/f unlocked the deadbolt on that door. I think the dad may be hiding something he doesn't want LE to know. If he has a history of volatile temperment as greta said then it's possible he lost his temper and harmed the child until she died and he's trying to hide it. It's possible. Just as possible as the g/f unlocking the deadbolted door that nobody ever used.

Yes, thanks for summing it up perfectly. I guess I need to go to sleep or start some coffee, one of the two, lol.

You're right about locking a door that is never used. One of my sliders is rarely used. Heck, it could be accidentally left unlocked as I type this. I never check that door. It is only used when we hang with company on the porch and want to watch the TV in the sunroom. So, that Dad saying that is suspect and doen't make sense.

Guess I need to read some more links. I didn't know Dad has a temper.

[MiamiNice1]

Here's another thought that has crossed my mind: Maybe the Girlfriend wasn't there when Haleigh was abducted. It appears that someone left that door unlocked and since it couldn't have been one of the children---it had to be her (Unless it was indeed broken open with a crow bar). She may have put the children to bed at 8pm and then left, through the back door, to visit friends or neighbors. She knew her boyfriend would be home shortly after 3am so went home at 3am and discovered Haleigh missing. Just a thought.
I can easily see this as a possible scenario as well, Zeus. Seventeen year olds come up with the most crazy things to do.

After putting the kids to bed, no "husband" to answer to until 3AM, the girlfriend must have felt free to have some time for herself.

So many possibilities here.....I'm anxiously awaiting new (and reliable) information.

imo

[juliekan]

He won't look anyone in the eye so far as I've seen.

<snipped> quote

That is one thing I noticed on an interview with a local newsperson.

[MiamiNice1]

Are you on the East Coast? I have Greta comiong on again. Watch when she asks him about the deadbolt and how the person got in. He looks very uncomfortable and then mentions the crowbar.

At least that's how I remember it. lol


imo
Thanks for the Greta 1AM heads up, Forensic!

Did you see how the mother (Crystal?) keeps rocking back and forth in her chair the entire time?

imo

[Motomom]

You know, I hate to speculate on this but they did say the 17 y/o was upset and with her family. It would be fairly easy to intimidate a 17 y/o with a "go along with" something that happened. I found it a bit odd to say the least that the g/f was not by her b/f's side.
If the adults are involved with this case, the story of waking up at 3 to go to the bathroom was not a good one.
Hinky Meter with the going to the bathroom, child missing and dad coming home from work all at the same time just hmmmmmmmm.

I think it's quite the opposite..your hinkymeter that is :) If this was his regular schedule, and the gf has been living there, she may wake when he comes home..My husband wakes the same time to go to the bathroomm most nights..this could be the case with the girl..though I am suspicious of her story, don't get me wrong. I see nothing odd about the timeing of her waking to use the bathroom and dad coming home..

[msgatorslayer]

Here's another thought that has crossed my mind: Maybe the Girlfriend wasn't there when Haleigh was abducted. It appears that someone left that door unlocked and since it couldn't have been one of the children---it had to be her (Unless it was indeed broken open with a crow bar). She may have put the children to bed at 8pm and then left, through the back door, to visit friends or neighbors. She knew her boyfriend would be home shortly after 3am so went home at 3am and discovered Haleigh missing. Just a thought.

Yeah, I've seen more than enough cases in the news of parents leaving a child sleeping while they go out.

17 yo is very young. Any imaginable scenerio is possible at this point.

Something else, if she had friends over while the Dad was gone, a friend could have taken an eye towards Haleigh. {ICK}

[Motomom]

Yes, thanks for summing it up perfectly. I guess I need to go to sleep or start some coffee, one of the two, lol.

You're right about locking a door that is never used. One of my sliders is rarely used. Heck, it could be accidentally left unlocked as I type this. I never check that door. It is only used when we hang with company on the porch and want to watch the TV in the sunroom. So, that Dad saying that is suspect and doen't make sense.

Guess I need to read some more links. I didn't know Dad has a temper.


Who else said that he had a temper? I heard the mother's mother say that. I don't believe her.

ETA if someone else comes out with the information that he was violent, then I'll believe it.

[Forensicpsy1]

Thanks for the Greta 1AM heads up, Forensic!

Did you see how the mother (Crystal?) keeps rocking back and forth in her chair the entire time?

imo

Hi Miami.

Yes. I was wondering if she was nervous or if she was on something.



imo

[Motomom]

Yeah, I've seen more than enough cases in the news of parents leaving a child sleeping while they go out.

17 yo is very young. Any imaginable scenerio is possible at this point.

Something else, if she had friends over while the Dad was gone, a friend could have taken an eye towards Haleigh. {ICK}

That's what I think gator. I think she may have had someone over and that someone took haleigh.. or they used the back door and didn't lock it and snuck back in. We dont' know how mature this 17 yr old was or not IMO.

[Leanne Weich]

I'm thinking about the dogs now. If Haleigh was carried, which I assume to be the case, would the dogs pick up a scent to the dock? If she was dragged, I would think it would be harder for the perp to control her.

Yes, if she was carried, the dogs would be able to trace her. Good scent dogs can trace a victim's scent even if the person has been conveyed in a motor vehice.

[juliekan]

I know it was reported that Mr. Cummings took a lie detector test and passed but how about the girlfriend? It's just hard to believe she went to the bathroom, which apparently is connected to the bedroom, and she was abducted within seconds. I don't think the girlfriend had anything to do with the abduction---I just have my doubts as to whether or not she was home when it happened.

That's a better explanation than me thinking she had people over and either something happened to Haleigh then, or she went to bed after the friends left and forgot to lock the door (they never use?).

[Leather&Lace]

I think it's quite the opposite..your hinkymeter that is :) If this was his regular schedule, and the gf has been living there, she may wake when he comes home..My husband wakes the same time to go to the bathroomm most nights..this could be the case with the girl..though I am suspicious of her story, don't get me wrong. I see nothing odd about the timeing of her waking to use the bathroom and dad coming home..

I just watched Greta. Ronald Cummings said that when he saw his gf standing in the open door he asked her why she was up. That indicates to me that as a rule, the gf did not get up when he came in from work. Just my opinion on the gf and the timing of finding the child missing.

After watching Greta, I may be way wrong but I do not think this father had anything to do with Haleigh missing! I still question if the gf may have had any friends over while he was at work. Not saying the gf is involved but something is just not right with the way the child was discovered missing. So yes, :biggrin:my hinky meter still going off on that one.

[MiamiNice1]

Excerpts of the Deadbolt lock conversation with Greta:


GVS: What do you think happened?

Father: Somebody broke into my house and stole my daughter. I specifically locked those doors before I left for work and my child cannot unlock the deadbolt on that door, and I have been in a specific place where you have to force the door shut to lock all of the way and I know it was locked. I checked it myself. And she did not open the door to strangers or wander off. Someone came into my house and stole my child.


GVS: Was that lock broken when you came home?


Father: No, you will have to speak more to detectives on what was used or what was done.

-----------------------
Two things (for now) that bother me about the father:

1) The father never looking into the camera really bothers me.

2) He keeps repeating, sounding very sure of the same scenario - somebody broke in and stole his daughter. He sounded that way on the 911 phone call, too. WHY is he so sure about this?


However, he does seem genuinely distraught.


That said, he seems quite confident those doors were locked and would never be unlocked in the course of his being away. (Guess he doesn't know what 17yos can be capable of?)

random thoughts.

imo

[VC2]

Yes, she was in school that day. Her dad saw her after she got off the bus from school before going to work.

Could the air conditioner repair man who was there that day have unlocked the back door, and it didn't get locked again?

that makes sense to me. Also i discount the dad being sure he locked the door, as someone said many ppl think they do and don't. Add to a g/f in the house who might step outside back and not lock it but be afraid to say also is possible.

Far as signs of forced entry, he himself said that he rarely went out the back, just twice so there may be markings and things that show the door was tampered with to him but LE knows by the age that tehy are from a previous tenant or older. I know i would be looking closely at the door as the dad and im sure its possible to notice small things which you think are new but never consciously were seen before

[Motomom]

I just watched Greta. Ronald Cummings said that when he saw his gf standing in the open door he asked her why she was up. That indicates to me that as a rule, the gf did not get up when he came in from work. Just my opinion on the gf and the timing of finding the child missing.

After watching Greta, I may be way wrong but I do not think this father had anything to do with Haleigh missing! I still question if the gf may have had any friends over while he was at work. Not saying the gf is involved but something is just not right with the way the child was discovered missing. So yes, :biggrin:my hinky meter still going off on that one.

good point about him asking her why she was up. She could still get up that time to pee, it was before he got home. He also had said why were/are you calling me, you should be calling 911. I think that was on NG. .. but I see what you are saying.

I don't htink he's involved. i think his alibi is easy enough to confirm too but a scenarieo of her having someone over is very likely IMO.

[MiamiNice1]

Hi Miami.

Yes. I was wondering if she was nervous or if she was on something.

imo
Yes, those thoughts were running through my mind.

The grandmother said she and her daughter live about 1 hour 45 minutes north (still in Florida - St. Marys)

[Leather&Lace]

I know it was reported that Mr. Cummings took a lie detector test and passed but how about the girlfriend? It's just hard to believe she went to the bathroom, which apparently is connected to the bedroom, and she was abducted within seconds. I don't think the girlfriend had anything to do with the abduction---I just have my doubts as to whether or not she was home when it happened.

Ronald Cummings stated on NG that both he and his gf took a LD test and both passed with flying color's.

On the Greta show, she asked the sheriff about the gf and the sheriff said at this point no one is ruled out as a suspect.

[MiamiNice1]

Yes, if she was carried, the dogs would be able to trace her. Good scent dogs can trace a victim's scent even if the person has been conveyed in a motor vehice.
Let's say the scenario is that someone took her out the back door. This is a 5yo and she's not that big to carry.

WHY would they need to take the time to put a brick/cinder block or anything to hold the door open? You can still manage to open the door knob and get out the door while carrying a child.

:confused:

[VC2]

I know it was reported that Mr. Cummings took a lie detector test and passed but how about the girlfriend? It's just hard to believe she went to the bathroom, which apparently is connected to the bedroom, and she was abducted within seconds. I don't think the girlfriend had anything to do with the abduction---I just have my doubts as to whether or not she was home when it happened.

yeah i was thinking the same. However if she was asleep and got up for the bathroom shortly b4 the dad came home it may not have been seconds OR she didn't wake up to the abduction but heard something subconsciously which made her wake up and then go to the bathroom.

I just dont think we are getting all the facts yet, not bc they are all wrong but bc different ppl are being told different things and repeating them to reporters. No malice or lies involved necessarily

as to locking the door they never use or checking its locked, could be habit, i know ppl who go around checking all their doors at night as part of their routine. Also possible that more than once girlfriend has left it unlocked bc she would use it, irritating the dad who checks it prescisely bc she always forgets to lock it.

[Zeus]

Ronald Cummings stated on NG that both he and his gf took a LD test and both passed with flying color's.

On the Greta show, she asked the sheriff about the gf and the sheriff said at this point no one is ruled out as a suspect.

I must have missed that. I know it was confirmed that he passed but I don't remember it being said that she passed or even that she took one. I'll have to watch the re-run. Thanks.

[Leather&Lace]

According to this Fox news write up, it states that Haleigh got up to use the restroom and when she didn't return the gf, Misty Croslin, went to look for her.
Has anyone else heard it reported like this??????

Also, this article states there have been prior problems with Croslin, Cummings and the children. Investigations through the department of Family and Children.

more at link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

[Leather&Lace]

I must have missed that. I know it was confirmed that he passed but I don't remember it being said that she passed or even that she took one. I'll have to watch the re-run. Thanks.


Here is what the sheriff reported about the LD Test.

Putnam County Sheriff's spokesman Gary Bowling said Croslin, Cummings and the child's mother, Crystal Sheffield, as well as several others have been questioned in the case. Police have given them all the chance to take lie detector tests.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

Also at link, read how Ronald Cummings initially referred to his gf. Towards the end of the article.

[omsk99]

I know it was reported that Mr. Cummings took a lie detector test and passed but how about the girlfriend? It's just hard to believe she went to the bathroom, which apparently is connected to the bedroom, and she was abducted within seconds. I don't think the girlfriend had anything to do with the abduction---I just have my doubts as to whether or not she was home when it happened.

There have been so many conflicting reports. The way I understood it the last time it was reported was that when the GF woke up to go to the bathroom she saw that Haleigh was missing, and that was around 3 am.

Ronald Cummings did say on NG that they both passed the polygraph. I wish a lot of people would stop being so quick to judge this couple basded on their age or where they live. NG also called the GF "babysitter", maybe she was their babysitter, since he has the custody of the kids (ast first). Regardless, I don't see how that matters here. My heart aches for thge Dad, I agree with a few posters here who said he might have been sedated when he was on NG. I can't even imagine what he is going through. I really don't think the family or the GF are involved in any way.

[Leather&Lace]

Sorry but I think the father is a jerk for calling his g/f a b*tch. What kind of father says that about women? I worry about if they find Haleigh what kind of life she will have growing up with him.:mad:

I have to admit it shocked me when I read that! :ohmy:

The ex wife said she thought the gf and Ronald had only been together for 4 - 6 months. Short time for an investigation by family and children services. Wonder what is up with that?

[juliekan]

According to this Fox news write up, it states that Haleigh got up to use the restroom and when she didn't return the gf, Misty Croslin, went to look for her.
Has anyone else heard it reported like this??????

Also, this article states there have been prior problems with Croslin, Cummings and the children. Investigations through the department of Family and Children.

more at link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

from the link:
Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Greta Van Susteren everything seemed to be fine with her granddaughter living with her father.
"Haleigh told us they’ve been hit, and stuff like that, but to this point, everything was fine," Marie Sheffield said.

Fine?

[Leather&Lace]

from the link:
Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Greta Van Susteren everything seemed to be fine with her granddaughter living with her father.
"Haleigh told us they’ve been hit, and stuff like that, but to this point, everything was fine," Marie Sheffield said.

Fine?

I heard the grandmother say that and thought the same! There is nothing fine about hitting a child. She did not say spanking she said hitting.:angry:

I know it is none of my business but I wonder why the bio-mother did not have custody of the children.

[lune3]

I have just read the last 6 pages, so much to catch up on. We had a 10 hour power outage here. No computer. First thing I've done is to look at whether there have been developments.......and hoping so so much for good news.

Now I have to read the links etc. For now, my opinion still stands. The father had nothing to do with this, and I think the GF didn't either. There was mention of the GF maybe having had people over...sounds reasonable. I don't know, still have the gut feeling this home was stalked and as for how the perp got in there, don't have a clue what to think at this point. Too much inconsistency for now regarding whether door was locked/unlocked/broken into (????)

I'm just still inclined to believe the dad. His behaviour seems sincere. The poor man is completely distraught and broken. My god, it'd been what 48 or more hours.

[Amy]

from the link:
Sheffield's mother, Marie, told Greta Van Susteren everything seemed to be fine with her granddaughter living with her father.
"Haleigh told us they’ve been hit, and stuff like that, but to this point, everything was fine," Marie Sheffield said.

Fine?

I had to read that a couple of times, thinking I surely had misread. I guess hitting is normal in their family? Wonder what childrens' services were called for. Several times, and the dad and g/f had only been dating 4-6 months.

[Aussie Gal]

Sorry but I think the father is a jerk for calling his g/f a b*tch. What kind of father says that about women? I worry about if they find Haleigh what kind of life she will have growing up with him.:mad:

In regards to him call the g/f a dumb B*tch.. maybe he thinks it was her who left the back door unlocked or blames her for his daughter being missing because she was the one looking after Haleigh..

[omsk99]

I had to read that a couple of times, thinking I surely had misread. I guess hitting is normal in their family? Wonder what childrens' services were called for. Several times, and the dad and g/f had only been dating 4-6 months.

Keep in mind this is the mother's mother who is saying that, who might be bitter about the father of the children having been awarded custody. Also, Haleigh's mother did state that the children like (I think she used "love") Misty, and that from what she knows she was good with her kids. I would take GM's words with a grain of salt. And I still don't think anyone in the family or the GF had anything to do with this. The inconsistencies in stories, hesitation in responses to questions, etc. could all be the result of panic, shock and worry. JMO

[Amy]

According to this Fox news write up, it states that Haleigh got up to use the restroom and when she didn't return the gf, Misty Croslin, went to look for her.
Has anyone else heard it reported like this??????

Also, this article states there have been prior problems with Croslin, Cummings and the children. Investigations through the department of Family and Children.

more at link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,491008,00.html

I have read/heard 3 versions now. The first was an interview (not on a show, more like reporters @ the home) where the dad says the g/f went to the bathroom and Haleigh wasn't in the bed when she returned. Then, a news report was that the g/f had been asleep and when she woke up, Haleigh was gone. And now, it seems that Haleigh was the one to get up?

I remember thinking, on the one where the g/f was asleep and when she woke up Haleigh was gone. She's still a teenager, and I know a lot of teenagers, when they sleep, they SLEEP. Perhaps she hadn't been the mother figure long enough to develop that open ear to hear every move and noise the kids make in the night.

[Aussie Gal]

Keep in mind this is the mother's mother who is saying that, who might be bitter about the father of the children having been awarded custody. Also, Haleigh's mother did state that the children like (I think she used "love") Misty, and that from what she knows she was good with her kids. I would take GM's words with a grain of salt. And I still don't think anyone in the family or the GF had anything to do with this. The inconsistencies in stories, hesitation in responses to questions, etc. could all be the result of panic, shock and worry. JMO

Doesn't really sound right... he hit the kids... but everything was fine :confused:

[juliekan]

I had to read that a couple of times, thinking I surely had misread. I guess hitting is normal in their family? Wonder what childrens' services were called for. Several times, and the dad and g/f had only been dating 4-6 months.


http://twitter.com/GSReporters

On this site earlier today there were reports (interestingly enough they are not there now:confused:) and I posted this from the site on page 5:

Haleigh has had bruises and smelled like pot after being with her father(actually she said Haleigh "reeked" of pot, and said she had taken pictures of Haleigh's bruises)

It was a grandmother who had said that. It is no longer posted there, so I guess at this point it will be "hearsay".

I also posted this on page 5
Fox News: father and girlfriend have been investigated in the past by child services

[Aussie Gal]

She might have done it by mistake but it's still not cool to call someone that. I sure the g/f if not guilty is feeling horrible about it. I would never stay with a man that would call me that.

True.. and I wouldn't stay either.

But we have all seen some men who talk like that the their girlfriends.

[emdragon]

Well we need to keep in mind that anyone can call in to social services and make a complaint and it has to be followed up we don't know how nasty the divorce and custody got.
The mothers family clearly do not like the father anyone of them could have called SS.

[BobbisAngel]

She went to the bathroom at 10 pm, 2 hrs later :smile:


Storys are still off in the media. The girlfriend went to bed at 10:00. She noticed that the little girl wasn't in her bed then....no she noticed that she wasn't in bed with her at 3:30 right as the dad came home. The little girl was sleeping with the girlfriend...no she was sleeping in her own room. Gramma says she went to bed at 8:00 and the girlfriend discovered she wasn't in bed at 10:00 when the girlfriend was going to bed or the bathroom.

The girlfriend didn't call 911 at 10:00 the dad called when he got home and discovered that the little girl wasn't in bed. If she had been in bed with the girlfriend dad was probably going to move her into her own bed so he could go to bed.


I wish someone would get this story straight! I hope she is found before something awful happens to her. I just hate this happening all over again. We just had a memorial for one yesterday :cursing:

[juliekan]

Her is more info into the family background

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx?rss=1
from the article:
Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments.

Haleigh's father also told the judge Sheffield had a drug problem and was unemployed.

Sheffield was granted visitation rights with both of her children. She can see them every other weekend and on certain holidays. The judge also ordered her to pay child support to Ronald.

Wow, weird article. Sheffield had a drug problem and was unemployed, but must pay child support?

Turner Syndrome
http://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/Turner_Syndrome.cfm

[Aussie Gal]

from the article:
Ronald told the judge Haleigh has Turner Syndrome and needs hormone treatments by an endocrinologist. He said Sheffield frequently failed to take Haleigh to her doctors appointments.

Haleigh's father also told the judge Sheffield had a drug problem and was unemployed.

Sheffield was granted visitation rights with both of her children. She can see them every other weekend and on certain holidays. The judge also ordered her to pay child support to Ronald.

Wow, weird article. Sheffield had a drug problem and was unemployed, but must pay child support?

Turner Syndrome
http://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/Turner_Syndrome.cfm

Thanks for that link.
I wondered what Turner Syndrome was. I had never heard of it.

[omsk99]

She might have done it by mistake but it's still not cool to call someone that. I sure the g/f if not guilty is feeling horrible about it. I would never stay with a man that would call me that.

I agree with you, by all means. But given the gravity of the situation he is in, he probably wasn't thinking rationally, and his initial reaction was to 'blame' her since she was the one at home with the kids. Still bad, but I wouldn't hold it against him. JMO

[omsk99]

Her is more info into the family background

http://www.cbs47.com/content/topstories/story/2005-Documents-Claim-Haleigh-Cummings-Wandered-Off/ecfIOIQdpEyY0r9dGW3W-A.cspx?rss=1


Thank you for that link

[juliekan]

I agree with you, by all means. But given the gravity of the situation he is in, he probably wasn't thinking rationally, and his initial reaction was to 'blame' her since she was the one at home with the kids. Still bad, but I wouldn't hold it against him. JMO

Lord have mercy on me for what might come out of my mouth in that situation.:blushing:

[omsk99]

Storys are still off in the media. The girlfriend went to bed at 10:00. She noticed that the little girl wasn't in her bed then....no she noticed that she wasn't in bed with her at 3:30 right as the dad came home. The little girl was sleeping with the girlfriend...no she was sleeping in her own room. Gramma says she went to bed at 8:00 and the girlfriend discovered she wasn't in bed at 10:00 when the girlfriend was going to bed or the bathroom.

The girlfriend didn't call 911 at 10:00 the dad called when he got home and discovered that the little girl wasn't in bed. If she had been in bed with the girlfriend dad was probably going to move her into her own bed so he could go to bed.


I wish someone would get this story straight! I hope she is found before something awful happens to her. I just hate this happening all over again. We just had a memorial for one yesterday :cursing:

And yet another account: On NG, the father said the GF called him first as he was pulling into the driveway coming from work, and that he told her to call 911, and she did so (then he joined in, as we know). I tend to believe him versus reporters who obviously couldn't get their stories straight. However, he was incocnsistent too, about the lock on the back door (a simple plastic one on the screen door, vs a double lock that he checked himself before he went to work). I do think he was sedated during that interview, and it's probably hard to think straight in this situation without medication :sad:

[omsk99]

Lord have mercy on me for what might come out of my mouth in that situation.:blushing:

I know, right?...:mellow: