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BSNBREVARDNC
02-09-2009, 06:32 PM
I thought that there had to be a hearing of some sort before the insurance money, etc. went to anybody. I know LF won the WDS, but I still think there is a hearing on damages.
5swab5
02-09-2009, 06:33 PM
You can't get blood from a turnip. I noticed that is was not addressed in the agreement so there will probably not be any child support being paid. I doubt it was an issue any way. (IMO)
You are sure right about that. Jason's earning potential has hit the skids as it is right now, and I don't think the State pays but about a dollar a day for stamping out license plates. MOO
kingbuff
02-09-2009, 06:34 PM
No need to move, she already owns a home in Fuquay Varina NC.
I remember posts from long ago that Meredith would not let Linda stay in the house with her....for some reason. I don't remember any links to the info, but the 'insider' seemed sure of her facts. Maybe she'll move into the townhouse....if she gets it.
kingbuff
02-09-2009, 06:36 PM
I thought that there had to be a hearing of some sort before the insurance money, etc. went to anybody. I know LF won the WDS, but I still think there is a hearing on damages.
You think whoever claims it will be subject to a depo? That might be interesting.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:16 PM
I would think Cassidy's SS benefits from Michelle's death would xfer to Meredith. I would also think Meredith would be able to draw against the LI proceeds or other monetary assets in Michelle's estate to provide care and support of Cassidy. Since Jason has no income, she wouldn't stand to collect much in support from him.
Well, let's see: The benefits should stay with Jason because he also gets them as spouse....Meredith is sharing legal custody, she doesn't have primary legal custody....The LI proceeds aren't in Michelle's estate.
It's time CY gets a lawyer to protect her interests, imo.
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 07:20 PM
Well, let's see: The benefits should stay with Jason because he also gets them as spouse....Meredith is sharing legal custody, she doesn't have primary legal custody....The LI proceeds aren't in Michelle's estate.
It's time CY gets a lawyer to protect her interests, imo.
He doesn't get them as spouse. The WDS designates him as predeceased ahead of his spouse. As far as they are concerned, he is not "alive" to collect any benefits. IMO
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:20 PM
BTW, you think Linda is moving to Raleigh? Interesting.
That just might be a change in circumstances that Jason doesn't approve of and asks the Judge to order a psych evaluation.
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 07:22 PM
That just might be a change in circumstances that Jason doesn't approve of and asks the Judge to order a psych evaluation.
According to the order, blood relatives are allowed to reside in the home. If he didn't want Linda there, it should have been stipulated. IMO
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:23 PM
He doesn't get them as spouse. The WDS designates him as predeceased ahead of his spouse. As far as they are concerned, he is not "alive" to collect any benefits. IMO
GMAB. Jason's worked since Michelle's death and has contributed to FICA, paid taxes. The Social Security Administration doesn't consider Jason deceased.
According to the order, blood relatives are allowed to reside in the home. If he didn't want Linda there, it should have been stipulated. IMO
I can't decide if they just didn't read the order, or if they just don't understand the order? :confused:
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:24 PM
According to the order, blood relatives are allowed to reside in the home. If he didn't want Linda there, it should have been stipulated. IMO
Linda didn't live in the home at the time the Order was consented to. Read it.
Linda didn't live in the home at the time the Order was consented to. Read it.
Page five, number seven. Take your own advice and "Read it". :rolleyes:
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 07:31 PM
GMAB. Jason's worked since Michelle's death and has contributed to FICA, paid taxes. The Social Security Administration doesn't consider Jason deceased.
What do Jason's taxes have to do with Cassidy getting SSI? I pay taxes too but I don't think they are going to pay me anything. Meredith has primary custody. She is responsible for the day to day care of Cassidy and therefore should receive the benefits to support her. IMO
jerry50
02-09-2009, 07:32 PM
GMAB. Jason's worked since Michelle's death and has contributed to FICA, paid taxes. The Social Security Administration doesn't consider Jason deceased.
The SS benefits that Cassidy is eligible for have nothing to do with how often JY worked and how much money he has put in his FICA account. She is eligible because of her Mother's employment history and payment to FICA.
awareness
02-09-2009, 07:37 PM
Page five, number seven. Take your own advice and "Read it". :rolleyes:
Dont feel bad, there's a few people on this thread who can't seem to read clearly.
MO that Linda can go visit Cassidy and Meredith at any time she's in Meredith's care as primary physical custodian - which as we all know they'll be living in the house Linda owns. Not only is she included as "blood relative" and was given phone time per #11 "Telephone Contact" in the agreement -- but there's nothing written in the agreement that would EXCLUDE Linda from contacting/visiting/moving in with Cassidy/Meredith at all.
But some people can't read that and imply there's something more sinister about Linda since she wasnt granted the title of custodian at all.
JMO/IMO
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:41 PM
Page five, number seven. Take your own advice and "Read it". :rolleyes:
I did read it. Linda Fisher is listed as a citizen of Sayville, NY. Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:44 PM
What do Jason's taxes have to do with Cassidy getting SSI? I pay taxes too but I don't think they are going to pay me anything. Meredith has primary custody. She is responsible for the day to day care of Cassidy and therefore should receive the benefits to support her. IMO
Survivor benefits are paid to families. You think SS is paid directly to CY and she endorses the check each month? GMAB
awareness
02-09-2009, 07:49 PM
I did read it. Linda Fisher is listed as a citizen of Sayville, NY. Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody.
Again, just because Linda was not specifically named - does not mean she is EXCLUDED.
#8 of the agreement under "FINDINGS OF FACT" indicates all parties, this would include Linda, agree that its in Cassidy's best interest for Meredith and Jason to share legal and physical custody.
Linda can OBVIOUSLY call Cassidy when she's with the Youngs. She can also go visit and stay overnight, even move in since she's a "Blood Relative" - so long as Cassidy is with Meredith.
Who cares that she's not listed as "Custodian", its not reflecting on Linda's charachter at all.
JMO/IMO
I did read it. Linda Fisher is listed as a citizen of Sayville, NY. Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody.
:laugh:
Who cares if "Jason didn't consent to her having physical custody"? She's a blood relative, she can spend the night in the house, spend the week in the house, spend the next year in the house, with Cassidy. She's her grandmother. You seriously think Jason isn't going to pick Cassidy up, and at some point, leave her with Pat Young? Meredith didn't consent to Pat Young having physical custody either.
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 07:52 PM
Survivor benefits are paid to families. You think SS is paid directly to CY and she endorses the check each month? GMAB
Yes they are, and as Cassidy's primary caregiver, the benefits will be paid to Meredith for the support of Cassidy. IMO
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:54 PM
Again, just because Linda was not specifically named - does not mean she is EXCLUDED.
#8 of the agreement under "FINDINGS OF FACT" indicates all parties, this would include Linda, agree that its in Cassidy's best interest for Meredith and Jason to share legal and physical custody.
Linda can OBVIOUSLY call Cassidy when she's with the Youngs. She can also go visit and stay overnight, even move in since she's a "Blood Relative".
Who cares that she's not listed as "Custodian", its not reflecting on Linda's charachter at all.
JMO/IMO
Linda Fisher was a plaintiff and lived in Sayville at the time of the agreement. If she moves in with Meredith, Jason does have the right to petition the Court because this represents a change in circumstance that concerns the best interest of the child.
Survivor benefits are paid to families. You think SS is paid directly to CY and she endorses the check each month? GMAB
Meredith will have primary physical custody. She will receive the SS benefits on Cassidy's behalf because they don't split checks. Jason can ask to be informed on how the money is spent. But he won't get to line his pockets with the money. I'm so sorry you don't understand how any of this works. Google is your friend.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 07:58 PM
Yes they are, and as Cassidy's primary caregiver, the benefits will be paid to Meredith for the support of Cassidy. IMO
Meredith is only sharing legal custody, she is not Cassidy's parent. Jason will continue to receive both his and Cassidy's benefits. Meredith doesn't have legal access to Michelle's social security benefits.
Linda Fisher was a plaintiff and lived in Sayville at the time of the agreement. If she moves in with Meredith, Jason does have the right to petition the Court because this represents a change in circumstance that concerns the best interest of the child.
It's already covered in the part of the order you don't seem to understand, under "blood relative". Did you know that if Meredith gets married, her new husband can live in the same house too? :rolleyes:
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 07:59 PM
Meredith is only sharing legal custody, she is not Cassidy's parent. Jason will continue to receive both his and Cassidy's benefits. Meredith doesn't have legal access to Michelle's social security benefits.
Jason turned over primary custody to Meredith. She will receive the benefits as the primary caregiver for for child. IMO
Meredith is only sharing legal custody, she is not Cassidy's parent. Jason will continue to receive both his and Cassidy's benefits. Meredith doesn't have legal access to Michelle's social security benefits.
What, NO link? :confused:
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:01 PM
Meredith will have primary physical custody. She will receive the SS benefits on Cassidy's behalf because they don't split checks. Jason can ask to be informed on how the money is spent. But he won't get to line his pockets with the money. I'm so sorry you don't understand how any of this works. Google is your friend.
No, Meredith can't receive Cassidy's benefits because Meredith isn't Cassidy's parent, Jason is.
You might want to re-read the consent order. No financials are mentioned, including child support, social security, nada.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:04 PM
Jason turned over primary custody to Meredith. She will receive the benefits as the primary caregiver for for child. IMO
Jason did not turn over primary legal custody to Meredith. I wish her luck if she thinks a Social Security Administrative Judge is going to agree she should be paid rather than the child's legal father, Michelle's husband.
5swab5
02-09-2009, 08:05 PM
Meredith will have primary physical custody. She will receive the SS benefits on Cassidy's behalf because they don't split checks. Jason can ask to be informed on how the money is spent. But he won't get to line his pockets with the money. I'm so sorry you don't understand how any of this works. Google is your friend.
Yep, the thoughts of the slayer being able to use any of Michelle's Social Security benefits for anything, just isn't right.
Hopefully the WDS will keep him away from his "blood money". MOO
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 08:05 PM
Jason did not turn over primary legal custody to Meredith. I wish her luck if she thinks a Social Security Administrative Judge is going to agree she should be paid rather than the child's legal father, Michelle's husband.
Whatever you say. :rolleyes:
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:05 PM
It's already covered in the part of the order you don't seem to understand, under "blood relative". Did you know that if Meredith gets married, her new husband can live in the same house too? :rolleyes:
Sure. I also know Jason could petition the court because that also represents a substantial change in circumstance that could affect his child's best interests.
I remember posts from long ago that Meredith would not let Linda stay in the house with her....for some reason. I don't remember any links to the info, but the 'insider' seemed sure of her facts. Maybe she'll move into the townhouse....if she gets it.
Looks like someone's agenda is still to spread misinformation. One wonders for what purpose. :laugh:
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:10 PM
Yep, the thoughts of the slayer being able to use any of Michelle's Social Security benefits for anything, just isn't right.
Hopefully the WDS will keep him away from his "blood money". MOO
The WDS is off the table now because of the consent order and it can't be revisted. If Meredith was after social security money or child support, she should have played it through and asked a Judge to decide. She opted to settle with an agreement that makes no mention of child support and can be easily challenged because Jason's parental rights are intact.
Sure. I also know Jason could petition the court because that also represents a substantial change in circumstance that could affect his child's best interests.
Actually just moving back to Wake County would represent a "substantial change". Having her grandmother come for overnight visits does not. I find it amazing that someone would post something so wrong regarding a loving grandmother's visits as "circumstance that could affect his child's best interests".
Jason's only concern is HIS best interest which is why he is handing over primary physical custody of Cassidy to Meredith. His best interest is to avoid a courtroom, depositions, and pysch exams. Items that would be coming his way again if he decided he wanted to petition the court for change. I'm surprised you don't get it. Or maybe you do but just don't want to concede that you are, as usual, wrong. :rolleyes:
The WDS is off the table now because of the consent order and it can't be revisted. If Meredith was after social security money or child support, she should have played it through and asked a Judge to decide. She opted to settle with an agreement that makes no mention of child support and can be easily challenged because Jason's parental rights are intact.
Why do you keep bringing up child support? I doubt Meredith wanted or considered asking for child support. The social security benefits don't have to be stipulated. They are what they are.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:18 PM
Actually just moving back to Wake County would represent a "substantial change". Having her grandmother come for overnight visits does not. I find it amazing that someone would post something so wrong regarding a loving grandmother's visits as "circumstance that could affect his child's best interests".
Jason's only concern is HIS best interest which is why he is handing over primary physical custody of Cassidy to Meredith. His best interest is to avoid a courtroom, depositions, and pysch exams. Items that would be coming his way again if he decided he wanted to petition the court for change. I'm surprised you don't get it. Or maybe you do but just don't want to concede that you are, as usual, wrong. :rolleyes:
I agree, CY's moving back to Wake County does represent a substantial change and if CY affected adversely, Jason should raise it as an issue to be resolved by the Judge. Don't we all want what is best for Cassidy?
I didn't suggest Linda Fisher can't visit when Meredith has physical custody. Moving into the home with Cassidy is what I was addressing. It's a substantial change. Jason negotiated that agreement with the understanding his MIL was a citizen of Sayville, NY.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:22 PM
Why do you keep bringing up child support? I doubt Meredith wanted or considered asking for child support. The social security benefits don't have to be stipulated. They are what they are.
Because child support is part of the custody process. Social security benefits aren't addressed in the consent order. Social Security isn't going to pay Michelle's benefits to anyone other than to Jason without a court order.
I agree, CY's moving back to Wake County does represent a substantial change and if CY affected adversely, Jason should raise it as an issue to be resolved by the Judge. Don't we all want what is best for Cassidy?
I didn't suggest Linda Fisher can't visit when Meredith has physical custody. Moving into the home with Cassidy is what I was addressing. It's a substantial change. Jason negotiated that agreement with the understanding his MIL was a citizen of Sayville, NY.
:laugh:
It doesn't appear that you do. She gets to live with her beloved aunt who reminds her so much of her mother. She finally gets to see the loving grandmother whenever. But you just keep trying to find loopholes so that Jason can find away to change the agreement! Don't you realize that Jason won't want to change the agreement? He has no desire to go to court. Or even come back to Wake County. He voluntarily signed order.
My guess is that a house full of blood relatives could move in with Meredith and Cassidy and Jason wouldn't care. He's NOT going to take a chance on going to court. No matter how badly you wish to believe he didn't do this for his own gain.
It's turning into "Groundhog Day" here again. I'm sorry you don't understand the facts surrounding WHY Jason did what he did. Maybe "King Buff" can explain it to you? :laugh:
Cardinal
02-09-2009, 08:29 PM
I agree, CY's moving back to Wake County does represent a substantial change and if CY affected adversely, Jason should raise it as an issue to be resolved by the Judge. Don't we all want what is best for Cassidy?
I didn't suggest Linda Fisher can't visit when Meredith has physical custody. Moving into the home with Cassidy is what I was addressing. It's a substantial change. Jason negotiated that agreement with the understanding his MIL was a citizen of Sayville, NY.
And Meredith negotiated that agreement with the understanding that Jason was a resident of Transylvania County, NC. If Jason moves to Georgia, is that also a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy? Couldn't Meredith then file for full custody?
Because child support is part of the custody process. Social security benefits aren't addressed in the consent order. Social Security isn't going to pay Michelle's benefits to anyone other than to Jason without a court order.
:rolleyes: Meredith has a court order showing she will have PRIMARY PHYSICAL custody of Cassidy. She will have Cassidy's birth certificate, etc. Everything she needs to show the SS Administration that Cassidy's benefit checks legally should be mailed to a Wake County address.
awareness
02-09-2009, 08:41 PM
Linda Fisher was a plaintiff and lived in Sayville at the time of the agreement. If she moves in with Meredith, Jason does have the right to petition the Court because this represents a change in circumstance that concerns the best interest of the child.
What you stated above is INCORRECT - with the exception of your first sentence, that is true. Linda lives in NY right now actually.
#7 OVERNIGHT GUESTS, page 5 of 8
Stipulates Meredith wont have overnight guests or housemates UNLESS RELATED BY BLOOD OR MARRIAGE.
Linda is related by BLOOD. Furthermore, there's nothing EXCLUDING Linda at all while she's in Meredith's care - and Linda is entitled to phone calls while Cassidy is with the Youngs.
But keep on spinning, its pretty funny.
JMO/IMO
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:42 PM
And Meredith negotiated that agreement with the understanding that Jason was a resident of Transylvania County, NC. If Jason moves to Georgia, is that also a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy? Couldn't Meredith then file for full custody?
I think a move to Georgia would be a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy. Meredith could file for full custody but I've never seen a third-party win such a request against a biological parent who has fully intact parental rights.
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 08:43 PM
I think a move to Georgia would be a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy. Meredith could file for full custody but I've never seen a third-party win such a request against a biological parent who has fully intact parental rights.
Even if that biological parent is named a slayer of the child's mother?
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:44 PM
What you stated above is INCORRECT.
#7 OVERNIGHT GUESTS, page 5 of 8
Stipulates Meredith wont have overnight guests or housemates UNLESS RELATED BY BLOOD OR MARRIAGE.
Linda is related by BLOOD. Furthermore, there's nothing EXCLUDING Linda at all while she's in Meredith's care - and Linda is entitled to phone calls while Cassidy is with the Youngs.
But keep on spinning, its pretty funny.
JMO/IMO
Why are you yelling?
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:45 PM
Even if that biological parent is named a slayer of the child's mother?
That issue can no longer be raised.
awareness
02-09-2009, 08:46 PM
Why are you yelling?
Im not yelling (yelling equals all caps for the entire post), but feel free to report my posts to Coldwater if you feel Im being out of line.
I was merely emphasising some words since IMO you have a hard time reading what the agreement actually states.
JMO/IMO
Cardinal
02-09-2009, 08:46 PM
I think a move to Georgia would be a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy. Meredith could file for full custody but I've never seen a third-party win such a request against a biological parent who has fully intact parental rights.
Well, I've never seen a parent with fully intact parental rights voluntarily cede custody without a fight. Guess there's a first time for everything.
Since the scenario you're so committed to promoting would require a third party willing to withstand the scrutiny of the court, and since nothing I've read about changes in circumstance which adversely affect a child includes on the list that the child's father doesn't like his MIL, I really don't see that happening.
JMO
awareness
02-09-2009, 08:47 PM
I think a move to Georgia would be a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy. Meredith could file for full custody but I've never seen a third-party win such a request against a biological parent who has fully intact parental rights.
The first substantial adverse change SLAYER imposed on Cassidy was murdering her mother.
JMO/IMO
Cardinal
02-09-2009, 08:49 PM
That issue can no longer be raised.
It can be raised if the existing order is vacated rather than modified. Then it's back to square one. Who knows what Judge Sasser would do?
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:53 PM
Well, I've never seen a parent with fully intact parental rights voluntarily cede custody without a fight. Guess there's a first time for everything.
Since the scenario you're so committed to promoting would require a third party willing to withstand the scrutiny of the court, and since nothing I've read about changes in circumstance which adversely affect a child includes on the list that the child's father doesn't like his MIL, I really don't see that happening.
JMO
First time for everything. It is a Consent Order between a biological parent and a third party. What you--someone who doesn't know the child--consider to be changes in circumstances that adversely affect her and what the court or her biological parent considers are likely two different things.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 08:54 PM
It can be raised if the existing order is vacated rather than modified. Then it's back to square one. Who knows what Judge Sasser would do?
I meant it can no longer be raised by Meredith Fisher or Linda Fisher.
Cardinal
02-09-2009, 08:59 PM
First time for everything. It is a Consent Order between a biological parent and a third party. What you--someone who doesn't know the child--consider to be changes in circumstances that adversely affect her and what the court or her biological parent considers are likely two different things.
Oh, I'll grant you that. But something tells me Judge Sasser would look very strongly at any attempt by a third party to challenge an agreement worked out by a child's biological parent and her maternal relatives and approved by her. So if someone is willing to open that can of worms, they can have at it.
As for Jason, if he were to challenge an order he just consented to because he doesn't like his MIL, I don't think it would get very far. At least not any time in the near future - and who knows how long Jason would have to wait for this potential case to wind its way through the court system. Sounds expensive to me.
But if you want to continue to argue a scenario that's unlikely to occur, that's fine.
JMO
Cardinal
02-09-2009, 09:00 PM
I meant it can no longer be raised by Meredith Fisher or Linda Fisher.
And I meant that if the existing order is vacated rather than modified, which is possible if it's challenged, the discovery waivers are out the window. It's a whole new day.
Goodnight. :seeya:
achristie
02-09-2009, 09:01 PM
Lord have mercy. Been out of the loop since Thursday. Lots of catching up to do. Meredith Fisher has primary custody starting in August? Do I have that right? God bless you, Meredith. I'm so happy for the Fishers , but especially for Cassidy!!!!!!
MOO Aggie
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 09:07 PM
Oh, I'll grant you that. But something tells me Judge Sasser would look very strongly at any attempt by a third party to challenge an agreement worked out by a child's biological parent and her maternal relatives and approved by her. So if someone is willing to open that can of worms, they can have at it.
As for Jason, if he were to challenge an order he just consented to because he doesn't like his MIL, I don't think it would get very far. At least not any time in the near future - and who knows how long Jason would have to wait for this potential case to wind its way through the court system. Sounds expensive to me.
But if you want to continue to argue a scenario that's unlikely to occur, that's fine.
JMO
Where did I say a third party would challenge it?
I think if Linda Fisher moved into the house, Jason would challenge it because he has solid reasons he doesn't want his child living with her. It's what is in the child's best interest and he is the biological parent Linda Fisher entered the agreement as a citizen of New York. Did she not enter into that agreement in good faith?
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 09:09 PM
And I meant that if the existing order is vacated rather than modified, which is possible if it's challenged, the discovery waivers are out the window. It's a whole new day.
Goodnight. :seeya:
The discovery will remain closed because both parties stipulated to it.
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 09:12 PM
Where did I say a third party would challenge it?
I think if Linda Fisher moved into the house, Jason would challenge it because he has solid reasons he doesn't want his child living with her. It's what is in the child's best interest and he is the biological parent Linda Fisher entered the agreement as a citizen of New York. Did she not enter into that agreement in good faith?
Then he should have had that put in the order. He did not. According to the order Linda can move into that house any time she wants and it doesn't violate what is in writing. IMO
Linda entered the agreement as a citizen of New York because she is. Did you want her to lie?
Cardinal
02-09-2009, 09:13 PM
The discovery will remain closed because both parties stipulated to it.
"Vacated" means void. As are the stipulations it contained.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacated
But hey, if something wants to risk that, so be it.
Goodnight, again!
awareness
02-09-2009, 09:24 PM
First time for everything. It is a Consent Order between a biological parent and a third party. What you--someone who doesn't know the child--consider to be changes in circumstances that adversely affect her and what the court or her biological parent considers are likely two different things.
Clearly the court and Cassidy's biological father felt it wouldn't adversely affect Cassidy - since Linda, Meredith, Jason AND a judge signed off on it.
Likewise all parties agreed people related by marriage and blood can be a part of Cassidy's immediate living situation.
JMO/IMO
Correct. Cassidy will live with Meredith full time as of 8-1-09 (sooner if he is arrested)
Plus she shares legal custody as of last Friday.
This means that major decisions affecting the health, education, and welfare of Cassidy shall be made jointly between Meredith Fisher and Jason Young. She can immediately attend her school and dance functions, without sneaking into Brevard under the radar. She can call Cassidy and expect to talk with her on the phone.
What is really going to surprise some of the posters here is the Primary and secondary parents can over-ride the custody order. Say some day, Meredith meets someone, falls in love and wants him to move in. She would have to consent with Jason, Jason would have every right to personally meet the man, if he likes him and agrees, the order is over-ridden. Or vise versa.
Betcha that is flushed the minute he is convicted of murder.
True. He will lose everything then, ALL parental rights if he is convicted of spousal murder, is that correct?
Doorbell
02-09-2009, 09:33 PM
I agree, CY's moving back to Wake County does represent a substantial change and if CY affected adversely, Jason should raise it as an issue to be resolved by the Judge. Don't we all want what is best for Cassidy?
I didn't suggest Linda Fisher can't visit when Meredith has physical custody. Moving into the home with Cassidy is what I was addressing. It's a substantial change. Jason negotiated that agreement with the understanding his MIL was a citizen of Sayville, NY.
As Cassidy's move to wake County is part of the agreement that Jason SIGNED, I fail to see how he can raise it after the fact.
It does state in the agreement that blood relatives may live at Cassidy's residence. I believe that includes Linda. The agreement does not stipulate that Linda must remain in New York.
awareness
02-09-2009, 09:37 PM
<respectfully snipped>
It does state in the agreement that blood relatives may live at Cassidy's residence. I believe that includes Linda. The agreement does not stipulate that Linda must remain in New York.
ITA. Nowhere does it EXCLUDE Linda from living with Meredith & Cassidy in the home she owns. Nor does it exclude Linda from visitation while Cassidy is with Meredith. It actually also gives Linda rights to phone calls with Cassidy if she's with the Youngs. Linda was clearly fine with not being listed as "Custodian" of either physical/legal custody of Cassidy since she and all the other parties signed off on the agreement.
JMO/IMO
Where did I say a third party would challenge it?
I think if Linda Fisher moved into the house, Jason would challenge it because he has solid reasons he doesn't want his child living with her. It's what is in the child's best interest and he is the biological parent Linda Fisher entered the agreement as a citizen of New York. Did she not enter into that agreement in good faith?
How do you know "Jason would challenge it"? Do you have a link, or has Jason taken you into his confidence now? Do you have a link to those "solid reasons he doesn't want his child living with her". Didn't think so because the rabid poster who floated that theory wasn't able to back it up. Just nasty rumors started by someone with an agenda. The order states where Linda Fisher lives now, but it doesn't put any restrictions on where she can or can't live. And it also gives permission for "blood relatives" to reside in the house.
I'd love to know why YOU think Jason would ever consider having to deal with this custody issue again. Because if they went back to square one, it's a pretty scarey place for him. Courtrooms, his deposition, his pysch exam. In Wake County, right across the street from that lovely new jail center. :biggrin:
jerry50
02-09-2009, 09:44 PM
I think a move to Georgia would be a substantial change that could adversely affect Cassidy. Meredith could file for full custody but I've never seen a third-party win such a request against a biological parent who has fully intact parental rights.
Didn't you also say that you had never seen anything that would let you think Linda could win the WDS and yet she did?
Didn't you say that you had never seen anything that would let you think that the custody of Cassidy would end in the Fisher's favor and yet it did?
Do you really want to go 0 for 3? (I know, I know, it's actually 0 for a million.)
kingbuff
02-09-2009, 10:24 PM
Why would Linda want to move to Raleigh? Her life for the last 70 years or so has been with Yankees. Her friends and relatives are there. She won't move to Raleigh. This is a good thing because a child doesn't need/can't stand two mamas. Meredith will be fine without interferrance. Don't you think?
Why would Linda want to move to Raleigh? Her life for the last 70 years or so has been with Yankees. Her friends and relatives are there. She won't move to Raleigh. This is a good thing because a child doesn't need/can't stand two mamas. Meredith will be fine without interferrance. Don't you think?
Cassidy and Meredith are her family as well. How would Linda being there be any different that Pat being there everyday?
kingbuff
02-09-2009, 10:34 PM
Cassidy and Meredith are her family as well. How would Linda being there be any different that Pat being there everyday?
With two strong-willed women? I doubt it would work. Even with a strict understanding of who was in charge....no, it wouldn't work. Besides, Linda will not move to Raleigh.
Cassidy and Meredith are her family as well. How would Linda being there be any different that Pat being there everyday?
Oh Tia, that poster is just trying to insult the Fishers again, just in an around about way so CW won't give him a time out. He knows that Linda Fisher is much younger than he is, she's Cassidy's grandmother which is quite a different role than mother, and that using Yankees as an insult doesn't really work in this case. What he's dying to find out is if Linda IS or ISN'T moving to Raleigh and no one will talk. Guess everyone feels it really isn't any of his business. :tongue:
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 10:39 PM
With two strong-willed women? I doubt it would work. Even with a strict understanding of who was in charge....no, it wouldn't work. Besides, Linda will not move to Raleigh.
It doesn't matter. She has back a portion of what she had before the murderer took her daughter away. She has access to her granddaughter once again. She can be a grandmother. The only other thing she would want is to have her daughter back. Since no one can give her that, she'll have to be happy with what is left of her daughter.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 10:43 PM
"Vacated" means void. As are the stipulations it contained.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vacated
But hey, if something wants to risk that, so be it.
Goodnight, again!
You're the only one here who has suggested it. :rolleyes:
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 10:47 PM
Then he should have had that put in the order. He did not. According to the order Linda can move into that house any time she wants and it doesn't violate what is in writing. IMO
Linda entered the agreement as a citizen of New York because she is. Did you want her to lie?
Linda can move into the house anytime she wants but it still represents a change in circumstances that could affect the child's well being. It is what it is. Linda shoulda put it in the agreement she intended to move into the house. She didn't and it's too late now to change it.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 10:51 PM
What is really going to surprise some of the posters here is the Primary and secondary parents can over-ride the custody order. Say some day, Meredith meets someone, falls in love and wants him to move in. She would have to consent with Jason, Jason would have every right to personally meet the man, if he likes him and agrees, the order is over-ridden. Or vise versa.
What the heck are "primary and secondary parents"? Give us a link that proves you didn't just make up that term to amuse us.
Meredith is not CY's parent. She is her aunt.
Linda can move into the house anytime she wants but it still represents a change in circumstances that could affect the child's well being. It is what it is. Linda shoulda put it in the agreement she intended to move into the house. She didn't and it's too late now to change it.
You are wrong, it is not a change in cirucmustances. The explaination has been posted so many times here that I don't believe I need to dig it out again. Also, if Jason doesn't like it, he is free to file for contempt of the custody order. This will cost him more money and he may have to talk.
What the heck are "primary and secondary parents"? Give us a link that proves you didn't just make up that term to amuse us.
Meredith is not CY's parent. She is her aunt.
A PARENT who has PRIMARY custody and a PARENT who had SECONDARY custody.
Meredith has been given Michelle's role, she will act as a parent to Cassidy by having primary physical custody and sharing legal custody with Jason.
We all know she is not Cassidy's mother, I am sorry that confused you.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:00 PM
The SS Administration also doesn't consider Jason as beneficiary of Michelle Youngs contributions. They go to Cassidy, via her Aunt Meredith. Jason Young has nothing to do with it any way you look at it. Meredith is the primary physical parent to Cassidy now and she will receive the benefits for Cassidy. What in the heck do you think Jasons taxes have to do with this anyway ? Not that he pays into it anyway, you have to be employed in order for that to happen. LOL
Why are you so fixated on the money?
If Meredith wanted the Social Security benefits, she shoulda made it part of the agreement. She didn't.
Barbara2
02-09-2009, 11:00 PM
Why are you so fixated on the money?
If Meredith wanted the Social Security benefits, she shoulda made it part of the agreement. She didn't.
I believe it was you that brought up the money. IMO
Why are you so fixated on the money?
If Meredith wanted the Social Security benefits, she shoulda made it part of the agreement. She didn't.
Vanessa was just reponding to your post about the money, IIRC.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:02 PM
A PARENT who has PRIMARY custody and a PARENT who had SECONDARY custody.
Meredith has been given Michelle's role, she will act as a parent to Cassidy by having primary physical custody and sharing legal custody with Jason.
We all know she is not Cassidy's mother, I am sorry that confused you.
I thought you were aware this is not a consent order of custody between parents, it is between a parent and a third party. My mistake. Sorry.
I thought you were aware this is not a consent order of custody between parents, it is between a parent and a third party. My mistake. Sorry.
It makes no difference. If THE TWO PEOPLE in the order, the Primary and Secondary agree, they can over-ride a judge.
Better?:biggrin:
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:05 PM
No, if Jason or his lawyer had a problem with Linda potentially residing in her own home, they should have stipulated.
Turns out it was not a concern of theirs.....only your's it appears.
Why would they have stipulated to something before it happens that represents a substantial change? That wouldn't be very smart of them to do and they didn't. LOL!
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:09 PM
It makes no difference. If THE TWO PEOPLE in the order, the Primary and Secondary agree, they can over-ride a judge.
Better?:biggrin:
Doesn't exactly work that way. The two people in the order share legal custody, there is no primary and secondary. And, I doubt Jason will ever agree that it is in his child's best interest to live under the same roof as Linda Fisher.
Doesn't exactly work that way. The two people in the order share legal custody, there is no primary and secondary. And, I doubt Jason will ever agree that it is in his child's best interest to live under the same roof as Linda Fisher.
Too late. He already agreed.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:15 PM
I believe it was you that brought up the money. IMO
No, I merely responded to a post about it.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:17 PM
FINDINGS OF FACT
Linda Fisher is the mother of Michelle Young and the maternal grandmother of Cassidy. Meredith Fisher is the sister of Michelle Young~ and the maternal aunt of Cassidy. The Plaintiffs enjoy a close and loving relationship with Cassidy, and she is attached to them.
Yes but nowhere in the agreement does Jason consent to Cassidy living under the same roof as Linda Fisher nor does he consent to her having any physical custody of the child.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:19 PM
Too late. He already agreed.
Post a link to where he agreed CY should live with Linda Fisher. And also to where the Judge agreed.
No wonder Jason and his attorney signed it so quickly!!! LOL
Post a link to where he agreed CY should live with Linda Fisher. And also to where the Judge agreed.
He agreed by allowing BLOOD RELATIVES to stay in the house. Its in the Custody agreement that is linked on the boards.
Jules2
02-09-2009, 11:24 PM
Post a link to where he agreed CY should live with Linda Fisher. And also to where the Judge agreed.
No wonder Jason and his attorney signed it so quickly!!! LOL
How about a link stating Linda Fisher is NOT allowed to live under the same roof.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:27 PM
He agreed by allowing BLOOD RELATIVES to stay in the house. Its in the Custody agreement that is linked on the boards.
there is also large loophole his attorney can drive a semi through. Anyone moving into the house with Cassidy represents a significant change in circumstances that he can challenge.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:30 PM
How about a link stating Linda Fisher is NOT allowed to live under the same roof.
There is no link. I didn't say Linda Fisher is not allowed to live under the same roof, I said her moving into the household would represent a significant change in circumstances so Jason can ask the Judge to decide. What about that has you so worried?
Are you worried the Judge will side with Jason?
Doorbell
02-09-2009, 11:33 PM
Why would Linda want to move to Raleigh? Her life for the last 70 years or so has been with Yankees. Her friends and relatives are there. She won't move to Raleigh. This is a good thing because a child doesn't need/can't stand two mamas. Meredith will be fine without interferrance. Don't you think?
Unfortunately, she doesn't even have one Mama.
Hopefully, Auntie Meredith and Grandma Linda can help fill the hole in her life that the loss of her mother has created.
Doorbell
02-09-2009, 11:35 PM
Linda can move into the house anytime she wants but it still represents a change in circumstances that could affect the child's well being. It is what it is. Linda shoulda put it in the agreement she intended to move into the house. She didn't and it's too late now to change it.
It's covered in the wording of the agreement. Please read it.
there is also large loophole his attorney can drive a semi through. Anyone moving into the house with Cassidy represents a significant change in circumstances that he can challenge.
Not really, but since its not an issue yet, why worry? And if it bothers Jason, he can do something about it if he cares to.
Jules2
02-09-2009, 11:35 PM
There is no link. I didn't say Linda Fisher is not allowed to live under the same roof, I said her moving into the household would represent a significant change in circumstances so Jason can ask the Judge to decide. What about that has you so worried?
Are you worried the Judge will side with Jason?
Nope, not in the least. Don't know where you see any worrying in my post. :rolleyes:
So far, not much has gone in his favor. Especially things signed by judges.
IMO
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:36 PM
Unfortunately, she doesn't even have one Mama.
Hopefully, Auntie Meredith and Grandma Linda can help fill the hole in her life that the loss of her mother has created.
I hope so, too. It will be tough for Linda being in Sayville NY and I wish her luck.
Doorbell
02-09-2009, 11:36 PM
Why are you so fixated on the money?
If Meredith wanted the Social Security benefits, she shoulda made it part of the agreement. She didn't.
SSI Survivor benefits are separate from a custody agreement.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:38 PM
Nope, not in the least. Don't know where you see any worrying in my post. :rolleyes:
So far, not much has gone in his favor. Especially things signed by judges.
IMO
This latest "thing" signed by the Judge represents a tremendous win for Jason. My hat is off to his attorney for crafting such an incredibly flimsy agreement. Bravo!!:thumbsup:
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:40 PM
SSI Survivor benefits are separate from a custody agreement.
Ability to get at them requires a judge's order when one isn't the legal parent of the survivor child. Meredith should really take her lawyer to task if she was counting on that money. It's pretty basic.
Ability to get at them requires a judge's order when one isn't the legal parent of the survivor child. Meredith should really take her lawyer to task if she was counting on that money. It's pretty basic.
That is what you call a "Support Hearing".
Totally different. She will take her attorney to that, I'm sure.
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:44 PM
It's covered in the wording of the agreement. Please read it.
I did and it is covered under that incredibly broad "change in circumstances." LOL!
Stellagant
02-09-2009, 11:45 PM
That is what you call a "Support Hearing".
Totally different. She will take her attorney to that, I'm sure.
And when is the hearing going to take place?
And when is the hearing going to take place?
If and when Meredith files for it.
Doorbell
02-09-2009, 11:50 PM
Ability to get at them requires a judge's order when one isn't the legal parent of the survivor child. Meredith should really take her lawyer to task if she was counting on that money. It's pretty basic.
Then we shall agree to disagree, and wait and see what happens.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 12:01 AM
If and when Meredith files for it.
Too late now. Consent Order is signed.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 12:02 AM
Then we shall agree to disagree, and wait and see what happens.
Yes, indeed. I love to watch good lawyering unfold, don't you? :lol:
Yes, indeed. I love to watch good lawyering unfold, don't you? :lol:
:biggrin:
You have no idea what "good lawyering" would be. Especially since you don't have a grasp on what has actually occurred with the custody order. Meredith will be entitled to SS on behalf of Cassidy. She didn't ask for child support. It makes no difference where Linda lives, she's covered under blood relative in the order. Jason will never attempt to change the order because he'd have to go to court. Wait, we've explained that same thing to you over and over, and you still don't get it.
You do seem hopeful that Pat Young may challenge the order. I think that would be grand. She could help hang her own son when he has to go to court. Fun, fun, fun!
Maybe you should actually read the order? Better luck tomorrow.
Too late now. Consent Order is signed.
Custody and support are two entirely different things.
Custody and support are two entirely different things.
Some people understand that, some don't. :rolleyes:
awareness
02-10-2009, 12:48 AM
Yes, indeed. I love to watch good lawyering unfold, don't you? :lol:
YES - I hope it unfolds - that way Jason will have to submit to a psych eval, questioning, his family could be subject to the same!
MO it wont unfold. Furthermore, its only a matter of time before he's sent to jail for Michelle & Rylan's murder and his parental rights will be terminated. He'll be lucky if his daughter wants anything to do with him later in life. Knowing his skewed choices, he'll have some excuse conjured up to keep any shred of conscious he has at bay.
JMO/IMO
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:07 AM
:biggrin:
You have no idea what "good lawyering" would be. Especially since you don't have a grasp on what has actually occurred with the custody order. Meredith will be entitled to SS on behalf of Cassidy. She didn't ask for child support. It makes no difference where Linda lives, she's covered under blood relative in the order. Jason will never attempt to change the order because he'd have to go to court. Wait, we've explained that same thing to you over and over, and you still don't get it.
You do seem hopeful that Pat Young may challenge the order. I think that would be grand. She could help hang her own son when he has to go to court. Fun, fun, fun!
Maybe you should actually read the order? Better luck tomorrow.
Why would Meredith be entitled to social security on behalf of Cassidy? Meredith doesn't qualify as a survivor, Jason does and Cassidy does. I wish Meredith luck in convincing social security to divert those checks to her checking account. :biggrin:
I'm hopeful any and all cops who think Meredith killed Michelle will challenge the order.
Why would Meredith be entitled to social security on behalf of Cassidy? Meredith doesn't qualify as a survivor, Jason does and Cassidy does. I wish Meredith luck in convincing social security to divert those checks to her checking account. :biggrin:
I'm hopeful any and all cops who think Meredith killed Michelle will challenge the order.
What "cops" think Meredith killed Michelle?
Do you have a link?
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:13 AM
YES - I hope it unfolds - that way Jason will have to submit to a psych eval, questioning, his family could be subject to the same!
MO it wont unfold. Furthermore, its only a matter of time before he's sent to jail for Michelle & Rylan's murder and his parental rights will be terminated. He'll be lucky if his daughter wants anything to do with him later in life. Knowing his skewed choices, he'll have some excuse conjured up to keep any shred of conscious he has at bay.
JMO/IMO
Discovery is closed, now that the consent order is signed.
Jason's family had nothing to do with the settlement agreement, the child still lives with them and I don't anticipate that will change anytime soon.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:14 AM
What "cops" think Meredith killed Michelle?
Do you have a link?
A link to what? The search warrants where they mention her inconsistent statements? I think that's in the links thread.
A link to what? The search warrants where they mention her inconsistent statements? I think that's in the links thread.
Ohhhhhhhhh. Okay:thumbsup:
Doorbell
02-10-2009, 01:21 AM
Why would Meredith be entitled to social security on behalf of Cassidy? Meredith doesn't qualify as a survivor, Jason does and Cassidy does. I wish Meredith luck in convincing social security to divert those checks to her checking account. :biggrin:
I'm hopeful any and all cops who think Meredith killed Michelle will challenge the order.
a) The benefits are for Cassidy. Meredith is her Primary Physical custodian. Therefore she is entitled to them. It's the way it works.
b) There are no cops who think Meredith killed Michelle. IMO.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:33 AM
a) The benefits are for Cassidy. Meredith is her Primary Physical custodian. Therefore she is entitled to them. It's the way it works.
b) There are no cops who think Meredith killed Michelle. IMO.
Meredith is not the child's natural or adoptive parent. Jason must file for the benefits and no doubt did so a long time ago. I do wish Meredith luck in trying to divert those checks to her checking account. That might be considered by the feds to be fraud.
http://www.ssa.gov/online/ssa-4.html
Whether you are the child's natural or adoptive parent;
blueridge
02-10-2009, 01:34 AM
GMAB. Jason's worked since Michelle's death and has contributed to FICA, paid taxes. The Social Security Administration doesn't consider Jason deceased.
how do you know he has paid his taxes?
btw, he's dead to me....
blueridge
02-10-2009, 01:35 AM
Why would Meredith be entitled to social security on behalf of Cassidy? Meredith doesn't qualify as a survivor, Jason does and Cassidy does. I wish Meredith luck in convincing social security to divert those checks to her checking account. :biggrin:
I'm hopeful any and all cops who think Meredith killed Michelle will challenge the order.
any and all?
uh, that would be none.
blueridge
02-10-2009, 01:38 AM
Meredith is not the child's natural or adoptive parent. Jason must file for the benefits and no doubt did so a long time ago. I do wish Meredith luck in trying to divert those checks to her checking account. That might be considered by the feds to be fraud.
http://www.ssa.gov/online/ssa-4.html
Whether you are the child's natural or adoptive parent;
some might consider what jason did to cassidy's mother
premeditated murder.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:40 AM
how do you know he has paid his taxes?
btw, he's dead to me....
I'm pretty sure his employer withheld them from his paycheck.
btw, I'm not interested in your bait.
Meredith is not the child's natural or adoptive parent. Jason must file for the benefits and no doubt did so a long time ago. I do wish Meredith luck in trying to divert those checks to her checking account. That might be considered by the feds to be fraud.
http://www.ssa.gov/online/ssa-4.html
Whether you are the child's natural or adoptive parent;
You are making some very large assumptions and accusations.
Accusing Mereidth of diverting Cassidy's checks to her own account? Do you have a link for that?
any and all?
uh, that would be none.
Yeah, I am still waiting for a link stating that "cops" think Meredith killed Michelle.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:45 AM
You are making some very large assumptions and accusations.
Accusing Mereidth of diverting Cassidy's checks to her own account? Do you have a link for that?
I'm not making large assumptions about anything.
If you'd bother to read the link I posted it says right on it that checks are direct deposited. Ya really think a four-year-old has her own checking account? GMAB.
blueridge
02-10-2009, 01:45 AM
I'm pretty sure his employer withheld them from his paycheck.
btw, I'm not interested in your bait.
and you're so sure that jason's not an independent contractor?
ummm, okay. yeah.
I'm not making large assumptions about anything.
If you'd bother to read the link I posted it says right on it that checks are direct deposited. Ya really think a four-year-old has her own checking account? GMAB.
Good night!:seeya:
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:49 AM
Yeah, I am still waiting for a link stating that "cops" think Meredith killed Michelle.
Here's what I said. How does one link to something they hope for?
I'm hopeful any and all cops who think Meredith killed Michelle will challenge the order.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 01:52 AM
Good night!:seeya:
good night!:seeya:
blueridge
02-10-2009, 02:07 AM
I'm not making large assumptions about anything.
If you'd bother to read the link I posted it says right on it that checks are direct deposited. Ya really think a four-year-old has her own checking account? GMAB.
checking account?
could be more like an account set up for the reward for information leading to the arrest of the man who killed her mother and brother, rylan.
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 06:10 AM
This custody arrangement has been on my mind since it became public. I'm really amazed at the response of people to it though. It seems that the JIIs initially felt that Jason had done the right thing for Cassidy, yet over the last day or so, that has morphed (by some) into Jason clearly didn't and that the custody arrangement should be challenged by Jason's family. On the other hand, almost without exception, the JDIs were thrilled with the outcome and, with the exception of maybe one or two, nobody has suggested that Meredith should try to deprive the Young/McIntyre family from having visitation or contact with Cassidy if and when Jason is arrested.
There also appears to be a bit of concern about the financial side of things. It is m.o. that the proceeds from the LIP are taken care of and that support for Cassidy will be resolved through a child support hearing. Should Meredith decide she needs or wants financial support, she'll apply for it through the Court system. Change of circumstances doesn't cover support, imo.
If anonymous posters on a message board have so much animosity toward the person who will now be Cassidy's prime caregiver, I have to hold out tremendous hope that the same animosity will not be evident in the dealings between the Fisher and Young families.
At this point in time, it appears that Jason and Meredith have set their differences aside for the sake of Cassidy, and it is sad that posters can't put their criticisms of Meredith (which have no basis in fact - no links provided to her being a drug addict, thief or murderer (other than pathetic attempts at interpreting other people's words) aside for the best interests of Cassidy. No matter how much anyone wants someone to intervene and prove a change of circumstances to effect a vacation or change of the custody agreement, wishing isn't going to make it happen. If and when it does, then we'll have something to hash out in this regard.
JMVHO.
Cardinal
02-10-2009, 08:39 AM
Well said, Leanne. IMO, the Youngs and the Fishers have put aside their issues and/or incorporated their concerns into the custody order and come to an agreement they believe to be in Cassidy's best interests. And a court of competent jurisdiction has blessed that agreement.
As a result, Cassidy will have a loving home and access to both her families. What a wonderful outcome for her.
I have to wonder why anyone would want to create controversy around that at this point.
Why would Meredith be entitled to social security on behalf of Cassidy? Meredith doesn't qualify as a survivor, Jason does and Cassidy does. I wish Meredith luck in convincing social security to divert those checks to her checking account. :biggrin:
I'm hopeful any and all cops who think Meredith killed Michelle will challenge the order.
I'm sorry that you are unable to grasp exactly how social security works. Cassidy receives, and will continue to receive, social security benefits because her mother is dead. Jason doesn't receive benefits for Cassidy, he just cashes the check because she's a minor and he has been the legal guardian. (And probably spends it on online dating services.) When Meredith has primary physical custody in August, the check will still be TO Cassidy, but it should be sent to Cassidy's address in Wake County, and Meredith will be the one cashing it because it would be ridiculous to have Jason sign it over to Meredith. IF you still don't understand the concept, you might want to give your local social sercurity office a call.
What "cops" think Meredith killed Michelle? :biggrin: We all know NONE do.
Discovery is closed, now that the consent order is signed.
Jason's family had nothing to do with the settlement agreement, the child still lives with them and I don't anticipate that will change anytime soon.
Um, how about by August? Still haven't read the order, have you? :rolleyes:
ETA: Grand Jury meets today.
Doorbell
02-10-2009, 09:30 AM
I'm not making large assumptions about anything.
If you'd bother to read the link I posted it says right on it that checks are direct deposited. Ya really think a four-year-old has her own checking account? GMAB.
When my son was receiving survivor benefits from his deceased stepfather, we were given the option of having them deposited directly, or mailed. We were also given the option of having them put in his name or in mine. As he was only a few months short of 18 (when the benefits would cease), I had them put in his name, and deposited them in my account after he signed them. I was told at the SSI office that they were supposed to be used for day-to-day expenses.
There are options.
Because we are talking about CHILD survivor benefits, not SPOUSE survivor benefits, Cassidy will get them, routed through her primary care-giver, i.e., Meredith.
IMO
BSNBREVARDNC
02-10-2009, 09:54 AM
You think whoever claims it will be subject to a depo? That might be interesting.
No.......This will be a hearing to decide how much Jason owes to the plaintiffs in the WDS. They wouldn't be deposed in collecting. The deposition is what Jason avoided by defaulting. That's why he is now the slayer in the WDS.
It will be interesting to see who does testify. (IMO of course)
Silsbee
02-10-2009, 12:10 PM
New developing story...
New Warrants (http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4507783/)
Silsbee
02-10-2009, 12:13 PM
Meant to add this
E-mail conversations between Michelle Young's father and her husband are the focus of new search warrants returned Tuesday in the 29-year-old's 2006 slaying.
In affidavits for search warrants for Jason Young's e-mail addresses, investigators say Alan Fisher said that although he has tried to be supportive of his son-in-law, Jason Young has given him information that he has not been comfortable with.
Fisher also told investigators that Jason Young has changed since Michelle Young's death.
Barbara2
02-10-2009, 12:14 PM
That's interesting. It looks like once again reliable posters were correct when they hinted that Alan was only maintaining a cordial relationship with Jason so that he would be able to see Cassidy. IMO
Silsbee
02-10-2009, 12:22 PM
That's interesting. It looks like once again reliable posters were correct when they hinted that Alan was only maintaining a cordial relationship with Jason so that he would be able to see Cassidy. IMO
Or he wanted to get information.
Sils
That's interesting. It looks like once again reliable posters were correct when they hinted that Alan was only maintaining a cordial relationship with Jason so that he would be able to see Cassidy. IMO
So Alan was suspicious of Jason.
Isn't that the complete opposite of what we heard here?
So Alan was suspicious of Jason.
Isn't that the complete opposite of what we heard here?
Yes, but consider the source. Have anyone of Jason's supporters been right? They make it up to suit their scenario.
Kind of slow here for a GJ day. :laugh: I actually think the best arrest time for Jason would be in August. When Cassidy has fully transitioned into living with Meredith, is starting her new school, new happy life.
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 01:00 PM
Yes, but consider the source. Have anyone of Jason's supporters been right? They make it up to suit their scenario.
Kind of slow here for a GJ day. :laugh: I actually think the best arrest time for Jason would be in August. When Cassidy has fully transitioned into living with Meredith, is starting her new school, new happy life.
That may be what would be best for Cassidy but, at this point, I think that justice for Michelle is equally as important. Not getting into a religious discussion but, if one believes as I do, that once you're dead, you still have the ability to know what is going on in your family's life, I have no doubt that Michelle would probably rather Cassidy was removed from Jason poste haste and be able to begin her life with people who will always have her best interests at heart. I'm sorry, but I just don't have a hell of a lot of faith that Jason will act in Cassidy's best interests between now and August.
I wonder how long until we get sight of the latest SW. It always upset me to think that Jason may have snowed Alan, but it appears not. It once again seems people put their own interpretation on words written to draw an again wrong conclusion.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 01:21 PM
how did alan die?
how did alan die?
He had cancer but I don't remember what type. He describes Jason as a "chameleon" in the seach warrant. Interesting reading.
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrant021009.pdf
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 01:51 PM
I think it is pretty obvious that Alan Fisher had no doubt Jason was involved in Michelle's murder and was between a rock and a hard place in that he had to appease Jason to ensure he could continue to see his beloved granddaughter. People who support the SLAYER say he couldn't possibly have murdered Michelle. Sorry, I call BS on that. His callous treatment of a man dying of cancer proves just what an unfeeling POS he is. I wonder how much of the internal conflict this poor man was undergoing hastened his death. Poor, poor Cassidy. One day all this ugliness will be revealed to her and, even in the unlikely event that he is never arrested (which I don't, for a minute, believe wont happen), his behaviour from the minute Michelle died, to date, is unforgiveable. That's not even taking his relationship with MM into account.
I'm really praying that today is the day the GJ hands down an indictment.
jerry50
02-10-2009, 02:02 PM
Well, let's see: The benefits should stay with Jason because he also gets them as spouse....Meredith is sharing legal custody, she doesn't have primary legal custody....The LI proceeds aren't in Michelle's estate.
It's time CY gets a lawyer to protect her interests, imo.
JY does not get benefits because he is a spouse.
http://www.ssa.gov/survivorplan/ifyou2.htm
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 02:08 PM
He die after a battle with cancer.
Of course he did. Have you had intimate knowledge of the treatment of a person dying of cancer? I have and I can tell you that any oncology specialist will tell you that a patient's state of mind is paramount in their survival. A good and positive state of mind can prolong their life a hell of a lot. There is no doubt, from Alan's interview, that he was in a very conflicted state and felt he had no choice but to outwardly support Jason to ensure an ongoing relationship with Cassidy, given what had happened to Linda and Meredith.
If Jason wasn't guilty, it is a damn shame, that he couldn't reassure his f-i-l in his dying days that he didn't have anything to do with Michelle's death. Is he just a misunderstood person - not in my opinion - he's plain and simply a murderer covering his own *** with absolutely no concern for anyone other than himself.
jerry50
02-10-2009, 02:10 PM
Meredith is not the child's natural or adoptive parent. Jason must file for the benefits and no doubt did so a long time ago. I do wish Meredith luck in trying to divert those checks to her checking account. That might be considered by the feds to be fraud.
http://www.ssa.gov/online/ssa-4.html
Whether you are the child's natural or adoptive parent;
I would think it is JY who should be worried about fraud. If he has been collecting benefits for Cassidy and he is the reason Michelle is dead that sounds a lot like fraud.
Barbara2
02-10-2009, 02:27 PM
I wonder if those who were being fed information that likely would have come directly from Jason are now beginning to understand that he just may not have been honest with what he was saying. (Yes, I'm trying to phrase it nicely.)
jerry50
02-10-2009, 02:31 PM
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4507783/
awareness
02-10-2009, 02:39 PM
Discovery is closed, now that the consent order is signed.
Jason's family had nothing to do with the settlement agreement, the child still lives with them and I don't anticipate that will change anytime soon.
Of course the current order is closed. But if you are going to challenge and revise the order - the Fisher's have the right to have what they initally requested for ie the psych eval.
Such a joke... and we all realize you are baiting.
Don't anticipate Cassidy's living situation will change, well it was ordered to and will happen wether you like it or not.
the latest SW is even more telling. Clearly SLAYER killed Michelle.
JMO/IMO
He had cancer but I don't remember what type. He describes Jason as a "chameleon" in the seach warrant. Interesting reading.
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrant021009.pdf
This is my favorite from your link:
Alan Fisher: (Inaudible) in my heart. But he is very capable of doing this and thinking that he can get away with it.”
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 02:44 PM
Of course the current order is closed. But if you are going to challenge and revise the order - the Fisher's have the right to have what they initally requested for ie the psych eval.
Such a joke... and we all realize you are baiting.
Don't anticipate Cassidy's living situation will change, well it was ordered to and will happen wether you like it or not.
the latest SW is even more telling. Clearly SLAYER killed Michelle.
JMO/IMO
ITA with your entire post.
I hope today is the day but, then again, I've been hoping that every GJ day for 27 months now. It will probably happen on one of those very rare occasions I don't get to be online much. Maybe I should make a conscious effort to remove myself for a couple of days.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 03:11 PM
Or he wanted to get information.
Sils
I was expecting more search warrants and doubt this is the last one.
What's weird is that the name attached to the hotmail is deleted everywhere but the email from Alan Fisher is to jyoungchartone
hotmail.com. Is this the email account the search warrant is intended for or somebody else's?
It was obvious in November they're wanting to see what Jason says and so far, he consistently has said his lawyer advised him to remain silent.
Alan seemed heartbroken about Michelle Money, as would be any dad's reaction. And he didn't seem to understand that Jason's silence was absolute. If he denied it, that would be considered talking about it. Still, Jason left him alone with Cassidy and made sure they maintained a relationship so I guess Jason wasn't too worried that Cassidy might implicate him.
He does say very nice things about Pat. I hope that lays to rest the speculation Pat is involved and covering up for Jason.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 03:16 PM
its always been my opinion that JY had something to do with michelles murder. With that said, since december i have been truly convinced he is the sole responible party in his wifes murder. Each time new info has come out since december, i have been overwhelmed. The sw's, wds, custody settlement and now alan fishers words from the grave. I truly thought and believed everyones opinion that alan fisher hated his ex wife and had this wonderful relationship with jason. Well we now know this is not true. Once again i was duped by others. I now know to stick with my original instinct, he is so guilty its disgusting.
I read that whole sw, alan fisher even stated that he felt for meredith and his ex for not being able to have unsupervised visits with cassidy.
Ugh, all my thoughts are coming true from day one, two years ago.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 03:19 PM
He does say very nice things about Pat. I hope that lays to rest the speculation Pat is involved and covering up for Jason.
i agree stella, i have changed my opinion towards pat. I really feel sorry for her now. I read alans own words, she was so emotional looking at the memorial he had set up in his dining room and that he believes shes been fooled by her own son. Paraphrasing of course.
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 03:20 PM
I was expecting more search warrants and doubt this is the last one.
What's weird is that the name attached to the hotmail is deleted everywhere but the email from Alan Fisher is to jyoungchartone
hotmail.com. Is this the email account the search warrant is intended for or somebody else's?
It was obvious in November they're wanting to see what Jason says and so far, he consistently has said his lawyer advised him to remain silent.
Alan seemed heartbroken about Michelle Money, as would be any dad's reaction. And he didn't seem to understand that Jason's silence was absolute. If he denied it, that would be considered talking about it. Still, Jason left him alone with Cassidy and made sure they maintained a relationship so I guess Jason wasn't too worried that Cassidy might implicate him.
He does say very nice things about Pat. I hope that lays to rest the speculation Pat is involved and covering up for Jason.
Don't you think it's very telling that not all the information which we now know had come out at the time of Alan's death yet he sure didn't express any doubts as to Jason's involvement.
As for your last sentence, I don't think Alan's view of Pat proves that she doesn't know or at the very least strongly suspect that Jason was involved. I don't think I know anyone who could stand before a shrine for a murdered mother in that victim's parent's home and not show emotion,
Jason probably didn't even think Alan or June would question Cassidy because they were, outwardly at least, supportive of him and I very much doubt Cassidy would just spew forth anything about her mom's death, if she even remembered it at that point in time. No need for Jason to be concerned, imo.
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 03:26 PM
its always been my opinion that JY had something to do with michelles murder. With that said, since december i have been truly convinced he is the sole responible party in his wifes murder. Each time new info has come out since december, i have been overwhelmed. The sw's, wds, custody settlement and now alan fishers words from the grave. I truly thought and believed everyones opinion that alan fisher hated his ex wife and had this wonderful relationship with jason. Well we now know this is not true. Once again i was duped by others. I now know to stick with my original instinct, he is so guilty its disgusting.
I read that whole sw, alan fisher even stated that he felt for meredith and his ex for not being able to have unsupervised visits with cassidy.
Ugh, all my thoughts are coming true from day one, two years ago.
Hey jerzeegirl. Great post. I think the majority of us regular posters have come to rely on our own intuition and interpretation of what is put out there. The JIIs have been vociferous in putting forth their spin and interpretation of situations so I'm not surprised some people have believed some of the BS put out there.
I totally agree with your views on Jason's guilt and, you're right, it is disgusting. Add to that that he didn't even try to allay Alan's feelings that he killed his beloved daughter. One has to have absolutely no sense of compassion not to even be able to lie to a dying man and try to reassure him that the last thing you would have done would be to kill your wife. It certainly couldn't be that he didn't do that because he is opposed to lying. Murder is a far worse sin than lying, imo.
its always been my opinion that JY had something to do with michelles murder. With that said, since december i have been truly convinced he is the sole responible party in his wifes murder. Each time new info has come out since december, i have been overwhelmed. The sw's, wds, custody settlement and now alan fishers words from the grave. I truly thought and believed everyones opinion that alan fisher hated his ex wife and had this wonderful relationship with jason. Well we now know this is not true. Once again i was duped by others. I now know to stick with my original instinct, he is so guilty its disgusting.
I read that whole sw, alan fisher even stated that he felt for meredith and his ex for not being able to have unsupervised visits with cassidy.
Ugh, all my thoughts are coming true from day one, two years ago.
Mine too.
This really struck me as sad:
Alan Fisher: "... Jason’s mother, who I have to tell you we both have a lot of respect for and the two of us feel she’s really in the dark on a lot of things I mean I really feel for this lady because I think she’s been told, I think shes been sold a bill of goods if he’s involved. I don’t think she personally, and my wife will say the same, I don’t think he has a clue that he’s involved or could be involved in this....."
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrant021009.pdf
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 03:33 PM
i also have to say this, alot of people here down play the fact that jy is now sharing custody with meredith. Like this happens all the time and its the norm. OMG, it is so not the norm. It is in the norm in divorce/custody cases with husbands and wives. But how many fathers and mothers do any of you know out there, come across in your years, settled an agreement with their inlaws to share custody. It is definitely not the norm in our society. I believe its all to do with staying out of jail. Nothing more nothing less. I truly believe that pat young is probably devastated with this settlement because i truly believe she loves her granddaughter and will miss her dearly not seeing her on a dailly basis.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 03:36 PM
Mine too.
This really struck me as sad:
Alan Fisher: "... Jason’s mother, who I have to tell you we both have a lot of respect for and the two of us feel she’s really in the dark on a lot of things I mean I really feel for this lady because I think she’s been told, I think shes been sold a bill of goods if he’s involved. I don’t think she personally, and my wife will say the same, I don’t think he has a clue that he’s involved or could be involved in this....."
http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrant021009.pdf
i know tia, i really feel for the fishers, i think theyve been brainwashed like alot of people have. Its no longer dealing with the facts in front of them, its dealing with what they want to believe.
jerry50
02-10-2009, 03:55 PM
snipped........ I truly believe that pat young is probably devastated with this settlement because i truly believe she loves her granddaughter and will miss her dearly not seeing her on a dailly basis.
I do believe also that Pat Young is devastated but she had the chance to avoid it but she went along with JY's refusal to let Linda and Meredith continue a relationship with Cassidy.
IIRC she had a bitter comment when Linda and Meredith went to the daycare for a surprise visit with Cassidy. I thought it had something to do with calling the police.
Revenge is a two edged sword. You can't deliberately hurt someone else without hurting yourself.
JY would listen to his Mother if she felt strongly on something. If she had insisted that he treat the Fisher's as the family there are a lot of heartache for both sides could have been avoided.
Will she have the guts to call Meredith to ask for time to see Cassidy when she spent the last 2 years supporting her son's dispicable treatment of Linda and Meredith?
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 04:04 PM
I do believe also that Pat Young is devastated but she had the chance to avoid it but she went along with JY's refusal to let Linda and Meredith continue a relationship with Cassidy.
IIRC she had a bitter comment when Linda and Meredith went to the daycare for a surprise visit with Cassidy. I thought it had something to do with calling the police.
Revenge is a two edged sword. You can't deliberately hurt someone else without hurting yourself.
JY would listen to his Mother if she felt strongly on something. If she had insisted that he treat the Fisher's as the family there are a lot of heartache for both sides could have been avoided.
Will she have the guts to call Meredith to ask for time to see Cassidy when she spent the last 2 years supporting her son's dispicable treatment of Linda and Meredith?
i totally understand what you are saying and have felt the same way but this is what i think now......
Maybe Pat is seeing the light now, It has been said that jason hasnt even spoken to his mom about the murder, so maybe she was in denial all along. But now that all these search warrants and things have come out, maybe shes starting to see him for who he really is. Maybe she did beg him to fight the wds and the custody battle. Maybe she did voice her opinion and now understands just like we have. Maybe Kim has cued her in on some things. We just dont know, its never too late to do the right thing, thats what im saying.
marty
02-10-2009, 04:07 PM
i totally understand what you are saying and have felt the same way but this is what i think now......
Maybe Pat is seeing the light now, It has been said that jason hasnt even spoken to his mom about the murder, so maybe she was in denial all along. But now that all these search warrants and things have come out, maybe shes starting to see him for who he really is. Maybe she did beg him to fight the wds and the custody battle. Maybe she did voice her opinion and now understands just like we have. Maybe Kim has cued her in on some things. We just dont know, its never too late to do the right thing, thats what im saying.
Jason is like Casey A. he will never do the right thing imo. Imo his mother is just like Cindy she knows very well whats going on and is protecting her son.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 04:13 PM
its always been my opinion that JY had something to do with michelles murder. With that said, since december i have been truly convinced he is the sole responible party in his wifes murder. Each time new info has come out since december, i have been overwhelmed. The sw's, wds, custody settlement and now alan fishers words from the grave. I truly thought and believed everyones opinion that alan fisher hated his ex wife and had this wonderful relationship with jason. Well we now know this is not true. Once again i was duped by others. I now know to stick with my original instinct, he is so guilty its disgusting.
I read that whole sw, alan fisher even stated that he felt for meredith and his ex for not being able to have unsupervised visits with cassidy.
Ugh, all my thoughts are coming true from day one, two years ago.
Alan really makes no mention of his ex-wife or Meredith other than note he's allowed to see CY and they weren't and he really didn't know the reason. Here was a man facing a terminal illness and heartbroken over a murdered daughter. He was furious with Jason about Michelle Money. Alan was duped. I don't believe he thought Jason guilty, I think he thought Jason was capable of murder because Jason had betrayed Michelle with Michelle Money.
I'm curious what your reaction will be if Jason and Meredith are both indicted?
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 04:14 PM
i believe jason is like casey a, but cant say pat is like cindy. Pat may have felt if jason goes away, she will never see cassidy again. Maybe now she will see the light and not be in denial. Pat has never got in front of a camera and proclaimed her sons innocence. Maybe she has known in her heart all along and has been fighting with him about this all along. We just dont know. Why did he go from pats to heathers back to pats. Sure heather had a baby but why did he leave his moms in the first place. We just dont know. I do believe alans own words though, thats the only thing i have to go on, he stated that pat was very emotional about michelle and also thought the wool was pulled over her eyes (paraphrasing of course). Would she be the first mom to not believe her child could do such a horrible heinous thing? Of course not. Im just not ready to crucify her without hearing her own words. Now jason on the other hand, eh, enough said.
Barbara2
02-10-2009, 04:16 PM
Jason is like Casey A. he will never do the right thing imo. Imo his mother is just like Cindy she knows very well whats going on and is protecting her son.
I don't really know about that. Up until today there were some that believed that Alan went to his grave supporting Jason and believing in his innocence because some accepted the misinformation that we were fed on this board. Now we can see Alan's own words and know that the information being professed to was false. I can't judge PY with what little I know.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 04:18 PM
Alan really makes no mention of his ex-wife or Meredith other than note he's allowed to see CY and they weren't and he really didn't know the reason. Here was a man facing a terminal illness and heartbroken over a murdered daughter. He was furious with Jason about Michelle Money. Alan was duped. I don't believe he thought Jason guilty, I think he thought Jason was capable of murder because Jason had betrayed Michelle with Michelle Money.
I'm curious what your reaction will be if Jason and Meredith are both indicted?
total shock, that would be my reaction.
And alan did state that jason made living with meredith and his ex very difficult.
Barbara2
02-10-2009, 04:19 PM
<snipped>
I'm curious what your reaction will be if Jason and Meredith are both indicted?
I believe that's more wishful thinking on your part and you are as wrong about that as you have been about so many other things. IMO
awareness
02-10-2009, 04:23 PM
Alan really makes no mention of his ex-wife or Meredith other than note he's allowed to see CY and they weren't and he really didn't know the reason. Here was a man facing a terminal illness and heartbroken over a murdered daughter. He was furious with Jason about Michelle Money. Alan was duped. I don't believe he thought Jason guilty, I think he thought Jason was capable of murder because Jason had betrayed Michelle with Michelle Money.
I'm curious what your reaction will be if Jason and Meredith are both indicted?
Meredith is NOT being considered as a suspect.
Can I request a link from you to show otherwise?
JMO/IMO
awareness
02-10-2009, 04:24 PM
<snip>
He does say very nice things about Pat. I hope that lays to rest the speculation Pat is involved and covering up for Jason.
perhaps at the time of the interview Pat may have not known everything. However I feel by now she sure does, or at least suspects what most of us here believe - that's Jason is a SLAYER and killed Michelle & Rylan.
JMO/IMO
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 04:25 PM
total shock, that would be my reaction.
And alan did state that jason made living with meredith and his ex very difficult.
Where did he state that?
Jester
02-10-2009, 04:25 PM
i totally understand what you are saying and have felt the same way but this is what i think now......
Maybe Pat is seeing the light now, It has been said that jason hasnt even spoken to his mom about the murder, so maybe she was in denial all along. But now that all these search warrants and things have come out, maybe shes starting to see him for who he really is. Maybe she did beg him to fight the wds and the custody battle. Maybe she did voice her opinion and now understands just like we have. Maybe Kim has cued her in on some things. We just dont know, its never too late to do the right thing, thats what im saying.
I'm surprised that Jason refused to answer questions from both Pat and Alan about MM. He claimed his affair was part of the murder investigation, so he was not allowed to discuss it. That strike me as very odd, because he is connecting the affair to the murder. It has been argued that, even though he had an affair, it's not necessarily connected to the murder. If that were the case, he should have been willing to discuss the affair as a mistake in judgment, but in no way connected to the murder. I think he made a big mistake refusing to discuss any of his questionable behavior by hiding behind "lawyer advice".
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 04:27 PM
Meredith is NOT being considered as a suspect.
Can I request a link from you to show otherwise?
JMO/IMO
A link to my opinion? I've yet to see any statement from LE that Meredith has been ruled out a suspect. If you can link to one, please do so. Thanks.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 04:29 PM
I'm surprised that Jason refused to answer questions from both Pat and Alan about MM. He claimed his affair was part of the murder investigation, so he was not allowed to discuss it. That strike me as very odd, because he is connecting the affair to the murder. It has been argued that, even though he had an affair, it's not necessarily connected to the murder. If that were the case, he should have been willing to discuss the affair as a mistake in judgment, but in no way connected to the murder. I think he made a big mistake refusing to discuss any of his questionable behavior by hiding behind "lawyer advice".
Why are you surprised? This is the second person who Jason told he was advised not to discuss the murder at all. The affair has been part of the murder investigation...LE is trying to use it to establish motive.
Jester
02-10-2009, 04:30 PM
I don't really know about that. Up until today there were some that believed that Alan went to his grave supporting Jason and believing in his innocence because some accepted the misinformation that we were fed on this board. Now we can see Alan's own words and know that the information being professed to was false. I can't judge PY with what little I know.
Alan's statement suggests that he wanted Jason to believe that Alan supported him. Jason fell for it. Jason passed it around that Alan supported him, and the neighbor knew this. The neighbor passed this information to us. That is a error in statement that is understandable.
Jester
02-10-2009, 04:32 PM
Alan really makes no mention of his ex-wife or Meredith other than note he's allowed to see CY and they weren't and he really didn't know the reason. Here was a man facing a terminal illness and heartbroken over a murdered daughter. He was furious with Jason about Michelle Money. Alan was duped. I don't believe he thought Jason guilty, I think he thought Jason was capable of murder because Jason had betrayed Michelle with Michelle Money.
I'm curious what your reaction will be if Jason and Meredith are both indicted?
Why would Meredith be indicted. There is absolutely no evidence to support this question.
Jester
02-10-2009, 04:35 PM
A link to my opinion? I've yet to see any statement from LE that Meredith has been ruled out a suspect. If you can link to one, please do so. Thanks.
Now I remember. In August, two years ago, the police said that no one had been ruled out, and for some reason you think that statement still stands today.
Let's fast forward two years. Meredith has been ruled out.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 04:36 PM
One of my questions is answered in the latest warrant. Where Jason was when he called Michelle Money at 7:40am - Wytheville VA. Which is 3 hrs from his home.
Jester
02-10-2009, 04:40 PM
Why are you surprised? This is the second person who Jason told he was advised not to discuss the murder at all. The affair has been part of the murder investigation...LE is trying to use it to establish motive.
Jason specifically related the affair to the murder. That surprises me.
The police don't need the affair to demonstrate motive, as there were numerous other options such as financial difficulty, life insurance policy, serious problems in the relationship, and Jason's reluctance to settle into married life. The affair is one more motive, not the only motive. Jason had an opportunity to state that the timing of the affair was unfortunately at the same time as the murder, but instead he said it was part of the murder investigation and couldn't discuss it. I have no doubt that Alan wanted to know when it started and how serious it was - all innocent questions for an innocent man.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 04:41 PM
Where did he state that?
page 13 of todays warrant released.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 04:44 PM
One of my questions is answered in the latest warrant. Where Jason was when he called Michelle Money at 7:40am - Wytheville VA. Which is 3 hrs from his home.
which means if he did this, he could have left his home as late as 4:40. Timeline still cant clear him.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 05:10 PM
which means if he did this, he could have left his home as late as 4:40. Timeline still cant clear him.It's close tho - NYT delivery man is said by LE to have been in the neighborhood between 4am and 5am. The call to Michelle Money was made at 7:49am. The exact time in google maps is 3hrs 18 minutes from the house to Wyethville.
Very very close.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 05:16 PM
page 13 of todays warrant released.
not quite. It states Jason's visition rules with Cassidy made living difficult for Meredith and Linda (paraphrased.)
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 05:20 PM
Jason specifically related the affair to the murder. That surprises me.
The police don't need the affair to demonstrate motive, as there were numerous other options such as financial difficulty, life insurance policy, serious problems in the relationship, and Jason's reluctance to settle into married life. The affair is one more motive, not the only motive. Jason had an opportunity to state that the timing of the affair was unfortunately at the same time as the murder, but instead he said it was part of the murder investigation and couldn't discuss it. I have no doubt that Alan wanted to know when it started and how serious it was - all innocent questions for an innocent man.
Nonetheless, motive is motive and it's part of every murder investigation. I doubt Alan wanted to know the details.
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 05:25 PM
Why are you surprised? This is the second person who Jason told he was advised not to discuss the murder at all. The affair has been part of the murder investigation...LE is trying to use it to establish motive.
The affair may be part of a murder investigation but, if you're innocent of murder, the least one could do is answer a couple of questions your dying f-i-l has for you. That would've been the humane thing to do but, quite clearly, Jason is lacking in the humanity department.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 05:26 PM
It's close tho - NYT delivery man is said by LE to have been in the neighborhood between 4am and 5am. The call to Michelle Money was made at 7:49am. The exact time in google maps is 3hrs 18 minutes from the house to Wyethville.
Very very close.
Don't forget the hotel in Hillsville. Either he left from the hotel that morning for his meeting or not. 7:40 ping near Wytheville also puts him on track to make his 10:00 meeting on time. Wytheville is 2 hours, 20 minutes from Clintwood. The fact that he was 35 minutes late can't be attributed to delays in Raleigh if he was near Wytheville at 7:40.
Barbara2
02-10-2009, 05:28 PM
Don't forget the hotel in Hillsville. Either he left from the hotel that morning for his meeting or not. 7:40 ping near Wytheville also puts him on track to make his 10:00 meeting on time. Wytheville is 2 hours, 20 minutes from Clintwood. The fact that he was 35 minutes late can't be attributed to delays in Raleigh if he was near Wytheville at 7:40.
It is possible if he did commit the crime that he had to make a side trip to get rid of bloody clothing and shoes and the weapon. That would account for the 35 minutes. IMO
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 05:31 PM
The affair may be part of a murder investigation but, if you're innocent of murder, the least one could do is answer a couple of questions your dying f-i-l has for you. That would've been the humane thing to do but, quite clearly, Jason is lacking in the humanity department.
Alan didn't say he wanted to ask Jason questions. He said he had hoped Jason would profess his innocence. He didn't seem to understand that silence entailed total silence. I also don't believe he understood that Jason may not have totally trusted him at that point because Alan had told him he had been visited by the DA.
Jester
02-10-2009, 05:32 PM
The affair may be part of a murder investigation but, if you're innocent of murder, the least one could do is answer a couple of questions your dying f-i-l has for you. That would've been the humane thing to do but, quite clearly, Jason is lacking in the humanity department.
I agree. He would have asked the question to have a better understanding of what Michelle was going through before her murder. Jason's avoidance of the question left Alan imagining the wors. I say this because that is one of the things people do when they are worried about something: imagine the worst and hope for the best.
Jester
02-10-2009, 05:34 PM
Alan didn't say he wanted to ask Jason questions. He said he had hoped Jason would profess his innocence. He didn't seem to understand that silence entailed total silence. I also don't believe he understood that Jason may not have totally trusted him at that point because Alan had told him he had been visited by the DA.
You should read the document: http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrant021009.pdf
End of page 7, top of page 8
Jason refused to answer any questions about the affair because his lawyer told him not to discuss the investigation. He justified this by saying that he gave his mother the same answer. He refused to answer the question because he connected it to the murder.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 05:42 PM
You should read the document: http://dig.abclocal.go.com/wtvd/youngwarrant021009.pdf
End of page 7, top of page 8
Jason refused to answer any questions about the affair because his lawyer told him not to discuss the investigation. He justified this by saying that he gave his mother the same answer. He refused to answer the question because he connected it to the murder.
Maybe you should read the document. Alan referred to it as the "Michelle Money relationship." He didn't know if it was an affair and made it clear he didn't "condone a relationship with anyone other than your wife."
Of course Jason refused to discuss Michelle Money. The search warrants were public knowledge. Or are you trying to say those search warrants into the "relationship" are not part of the investigation?
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 05:44 PM
Correct. It appears he would have been on track to be on time according to the Wytheville ping. Now...what was the hold up between Wytheville and Clintwood? And NO, I am not buying he got lost. Not for 40 minutes.
I've never made the trip myself so I'm not in a position to know whether he got lost. I've been lost for more than 40 minutes. That's not exactly a unique happening for anyone who isn't traveling a familiar route.
jerry50
02-10-2009, 06:04 PM
i believe jason is like casey a, but cant say pat is like cindy. Pat may have felt if jason goes away, she will never see cassidy again. Maybe now she will see the light and not be in denial. Pat has never got in front of a camera and proclaimed her sons innocence. Maybe she has known in her heart all along and has been fighting with him about this all along. We just dont know. Why did he go from pats to heathers back to pats. Sure heather had a baby but why did he leave his moms in the first place. We just dont know. I do believe alans own words though, thats the only thing i have to go on, he stated that pat was very emotional about michelle and also thought the wool was pulled over her eyes (paraphrasing of course). Would she be the first mom to not believe her child could do such a horrible heinous thing? Of course not. Im just not ready to crucify her without hearing her own words. Now jason on the other hand, eh, enough said.
WHat troubles me about Pat is the 28 phone calls that JY made to her on the morniong of the murder. That sure is not normal.
Pat did call NC Wanted complaining about JY being called a suspect by them. At that time she expressed no remorse for the death of Michelle or the loss that Cassidy felt about the loss of her Mother. She was just worried about Jason being called a suspect.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:12 PM
Don't forget the hotel in Hillsville. Either he left from the hotel that morning for his meeting or not. 7:40 ping near Wytheville also puts him on track to make his 10:00 meeting on time. Wytheville is 2 hours, 20 minutes from Clintwood. The fact that he was 35 minutes late can't be attributed to delays in Raleigh if he was near Wytheville at 7:40.
Good point about the hotel....the theory floated is that he propped the outter door at the hotel open so he could get back in w/o using his key card. If he propped the door open, he had to go to the hotel for something.
This does not allow for such a stop.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:14 PM
In this day and age (even in 2006)...with internet maps and GPS...getting lost for 40 minutes doesn't usually happen. Unless, of course, one is HIGHLY distracted.
It's not like he had the internet or a GPS device guiding him as he drove.
C'mon now.
BSNBREVARDNC
02-10-2009, 06:14 PM
Good point about the hotel....the theory floated is that he propped the outter door at the hotel open so he could get back in w/o using his key card.
This does not allow for such a stop.
Or a very quick one at best.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:21 PM
Correct. It appears he would have been on track to be on time according to the Wytheville ping. Now...what was the hold up between Wytheville and Clintwood? And NO, I am not buying he got lost. Not for 40 minutes.
LE knows, they have his cell phone data.
and I thought one of the SWs said that call to MM was over a half hour long.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:23 PM
Or a very quick one at best.
I guess it's possible but it's very very close.
achristie
02-10-2009, 06:35 PM
Alan didn't say he wanted to ask Jason questions. He said he had hoped Jason would profess his innocence. He didn't seem to understand that silence entailed total silence. I also don't believe he understood that Jason may not have totally trusted him at that point because Alan had told him he had been visited by the DA.
But it appears that JY was selectively silent. He had no problem telling his mother that he gave the child adult medicine mixed with water. Why ever would he relate such a detail?
MOO Aggie
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:35 PM
LE listed 2 cellphones in the inventory of items seized from his vehicle.
Wonder what the other cell phone show for pings.
Also, I noticed Spivey calls Jason the prime suspect in the PC of the SW. I guess he didn't get the memo about WCSO not publically naming suspects.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 06:36 PM
I guess it's possible but it's very very close.
but thats all it has to be is possible. If it was not possible we nor LE nor the DA would be investigating him. No matter what so many think here, i dont believe he is being railroaded. If it was possible way back when to exclude him, it would have been done. Even if something comes up next week to exclude him, i believe this will all be over for JY. I just dont see the latter happening.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 06:38 PM
But it appears that JY was selectively silent. He had no problem telling his mother that he gave the child adult medicine mixed with water. Why ever would he relate such a detail?
MOO Aggie
i bet pat was in big trouble with jason for telling LE about what he said about the medicine. And boy was it very telling to me. Im sure he expected his family to follow his lawyers advice. Too bad JY, glad your mom tells the truth.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:38 PM
But it appears that JY was selectively silent. He had no problem telling his mother that he gave the child adult medicine mixed with water. Why ever would he relate such a detail?
MOO AggieObviously because he was asked and obviously because he had no reason to believe the tylenol was a part of the investigation.
Which is does not appear to be.
Unless someone thinks he gave Cassidy tylenol to make her sleepy.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:39 PM
i bet pat was in big trouble with jason for telling LE about what he said about the medicine. And boy was it very telling to me. Im sure he expected his family to follow his lawyers advice. Too bad JY, glad your mom tells the truth.:confused: What is telling about it?
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:41 PM
but thats all it has to be is possible. If it was not possible we nor LE nor the DA would be investigating him. No matter what so many think here, i dont believe he is being railroaded. If it was possible way back when to exclude him, it would have been done. Even if something comes up next week to exclude him, i believe this will all be over for JY. I just dont see the latter happening.To be suspicious, yes, all it takes is a possibility.
To be proof, it takes more than a possibility.
Who in the 'we' you refer to are investigating Jason?
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 06:42 PM
:confused: What is telling about it?
that shes not keeping her mouth shut with LE like her son is.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 06:44 PM
To be suspicious, yes, all it takes is a possibility.
To be proof, it takes more than a possibility.
Who in the 'we' you refer to are investigating Jason?
we= people in the public, msg board people, sleuths, newspapers, reporters
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:49 PM
that shes not keeping her mouth shut with LE like her son is.
Did Jason's atty tell her to remain silent?
Did anyone?
:shrug:
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 06:49 PM
we= people in the public, msg board people, sleuths, newspapers, reporters
None of those listed are investigating Jason.
Just following what is reported.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 06:52 PM
Did Jason's atty tell her to remain silent?
Did anyone?
:shrug:
are you seriously asking me that? How would i know that? How would i know if Jason even told her to. She could decide toNOT speak to them on her own. Im sure Pat Young has a mind of her own though, she chose to speak to them whether JY or his attorney told her she could or couldnt. And i commend her for it.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 06:54 PM
None of those listed are investigating Jason.
Just following what is reported.
LOL, you seem to have a problem with my posts today, pick them apart all you want, but some ppl here and in the public do their own investigations. Whether you agree with it or not, its true.
jerry50
02-10-2009, 06:54 PM
Good point about the hotel....the theory floated is that he propped the outter door at the hotel open so he could get back in w/o using his key card. If he propped the door open, he had to go to the hotel for something.
This does not allow for such a stop.
It's possible that JY thought that his time at Birchleaf would be very short and that he would have an hour or more "to kill" before he had to leave for his meeting. He may have thought he would be able to sneak back to his room and leave as normal in the morning.
The bloody mess and Cassidy waking up changed his plans.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:01 PM
are you seriously asking me that? How would i know that? How would i know if Jason even told her to. She could decide toNOT speak to them on her own. Im sure Pat Young has a mind of her own though, she chose to speak to them whether JY or his attorney told her she could or couldnt. And i commend her for it.What? You said it was very telling, I asked what was telling about it, you said cuz she talked.
We've gone full circle now.
I still don't get why you think it's 'telling' that she talked.
Why wouldn't she?
Sorry, I'm just not followng what it is you are trying to say.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:03 PM
LOL, you seem to have a problem with my posts today, pick them apart all you want, but some ppl here and in the public do their own investigations. Whether you agree with it or not, its true.
I'm not meaning to :smile:
I understand some people do their own investigation into various details of this case. However, investigating a person is a whole 'nother ball of wax.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:03 PM
It's possible that JY thought that his time at Birchleaf would be very short and that he would have an hour or more "to kill" before he had to leave for his meeting. He may have thought he would be able to sneak back to his room and leave as normal in the morning.
The bloody mess and Cassidy waking up changed his plans.
thats what i think, his original plan was place the rock and come back to hotel. Well plans change, things got a little uglier than he thought they would, strangulation would have been quicker in his mind, no mess. I believe he had to go to plan B and not return, but i believe he was prepared for plan B.
Alans words describing jason chilled me. Smart, methodical were two i believe. That whole paragraph of him describing how he believes jason is and how he is like a chameleon.
I also found interesting the part about his wife and michelle not getting along. Maybe that was the problem with michelle and her dad all along, the wife, not michelle and her dad.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:06 PM
I'm not meaning to :smile:
I understand some people do their own investigation into various details of this case. However, investigating a person is a whole 'nother ball of wax.
I understand but im using it in a general way. I do believe us here on this msg board are in a round about way, investigating, sleuthing. Didnt mean we are a part of LE, but i do believe most of us by pulling apart SW's and looking at pics and timelines, its investigating.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:06 PM
It's possible that JY thought that his time at Birchleaf would be very short and that he would have an hour or more "to kill" before he had to leave for his meeting. He may have thought he would be able to sneak back to his room and leave as normal in the morning.
The bloody mess and Cassidy waking up changed his plans.Well, if he propped the outside door open it means he planned on coming back, which one can infer to mean he left items at the hotel he had to pick up.
If his plans were changed and he didn't go back to the hotel, did he leave something behind at the hotel room?
(ps thanks for the link to today's story that you put up earlier)
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 07:07 PM
Good point about the hotel....the theory floated is that he propped the outter door at the hotel open so he could get back in w/o using his key card. If he propped the door open, he had to go to the hotel for something.
This does not allow for such a stop.
No, it doesn't. There were also security cameras covering the halls leading to the exits which would have recorded some aspect of his return AND final departure. There's something that is preventing LE from proving opportunity, imo.
awareness
02-10-2009, 07:07 PM
A link to my opinion? I've yet to see any statement from LE that Meredith has been ruled out a suspect. If you can link to one, please do so. Thanks.
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/10/4508366/20090210114743620.pdf
Page 22
Upon review of the investigation thus far, and due to his lack of cooperation, Jason Young's participation in his wifes murder cannot be ruled out and he remains the primary suspect.
No mention of Meredith. That's because Meredith isnt a suspect whatsoever.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:07 PM
I understand but im using it in a general way. I do believe us here on this msg board are in a round about way, investigating, sleuthing. Didnt mean we are a part of LE, but i do believe most of us by pulling apart SW's and looking at pics and timelines, its investigating.Thanks for clarifying and I agree with you 100%
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:10 PM
What? You said it was very telling, I asked what was telling about it, you said cuz she talked.
We've gone full circle now.
I still don't get why you think it's 'telling' that she talked.
Why wouldn't she?
Sorry, I'm just not followng what it is you are trying to say.
it is telling to me because she has spoke to LE on more than one occasion. She doesnt have to. Whether JY or his attorney told her what to do or not to do she certainly could say nothing. She chooses to tell, talk which is the opposite of what her son is doing. Sure she wouldnt be incriminating herself, but she should know that anything she says could be used against him and she chooses to speak anyway. Yes very telling.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:11 PM
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/10/4508366/20090210114743620.pdf
Page 22
Upon review of the investigation thus far, and due to his lack of cooperation, Jason Young's participation in his wifes murder cannot be ruled out and he remains the primary suspect.
No mention of Meredith. That's because Meredith isnt a suspect whatsoever.
I missed where LE said said they cleared anyone after they went on record to say no one had been cleared. Got a link?
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 07:11 PM
But it appears that JY was selectively silent. He had no problem telling his mother that he gave the child adult medicine mixed with water. Why ever would he relate such a detail?
MOO Aggie
uh, because it was the truth?
He didn't tell his mother he gave the child the medicine that night of Michelle's murder.
Leanne Weich
02-10-2009, 07:11 PM
No, it doesn't. There were also security cameras covering the halls leading to the exits which would have recorded some aspect of his return AND final departure. There's something that is preventing LE from proving opportunity, imo.
IIRC, in the SW released today where if refers to the recording of him at 11.58, they mention it shows him in the hallway amongst other things. I don't believe we know what all the video evidence is.
Top of Page 5 - just checked.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:12 PM
http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/10/4508366/20090210114743620.pdf
Page 22
Upon review of the investigation thus far, and due to his lack of cooperation, Jason Young's participation in his wifes murder cannot be ruled out and he remains the primary suspect.
No mention of Meredith. That's because Meredith isnt a suspect whatsoever.
I read that in there also, so much for never being called a suspect. But then again, most knew from the get go that he is a suspect, dont need to read it in black and white, some things can be assumed.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:13 PM
it is telling to me because she has spoke to LE on more than one occasion. She doesnt have to. Whether JY or his attorney told her what to do or not to do she certainly could say nothing. She chooses to tell, talk which is the opposite of what her son is doing. Sure she wouldnt be incriminating herself, but she should know that anything she says could be used against him and she chooses to speak anyway. Yes very telling.I disagree that it's telling or that she is incriminating herself. LE is not investigating her, they are investigating her son.
If she had refused to speak to them then she would be accused of trying to hide something.
awareness
02-10-2009, 07:14 PM
I missed where LE said said they cleared anyone after they went on record to say no one had been cleared. Got a link?
:rolleyes:
Guess what? Only JASON has been named a suspect of any kind, in any official or news related links. Never Meredith.
I didn't realize one needed news or official documents to exclude relatives or friends from murder investigations. Its pretty apparent LE is only focusing on Jason, because its MO he killed Michelle & Rylan.
But keep on spinning!
JMO/IMO
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:15 PM
I missed where LE said said they cleared anyone after they went on record to say no one had been cleared. Got a link?
LE isnt required to state that anyone was cleared. I believe since Dec, most can assume that Meredith has been cleared. I truly believe that LE would have stepped in and contacted the judge during the custody settlement and basically said that MF is under investigation for the murder of cassidy's mother.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:17 PM
I disagree that it's telling or that she is incriminating herself. LE is not investigating her, they are investigating her son.
If she had refused to speak to them then she would be accused of trying to hide something.
Read again, i said WOULDNT be incriminating herself
sigh
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 07:17 PM
:rolleyes:
Guess what? Only JASON has been named a suspect of any kind, in any official or news related links. Never Meredith.
I didn't realize one needed news or official documents to exclude relatives or friends from murder investigations. Its pretty apparent LE is only focusing on Jason, because its MO he killed Michelle & Rylan.
But keep on spinning!
JMO/IMO
Guess what? If LE arrests someone other than Jason the defense sure can't complain they were railroaded or can't get a fair trial.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:18 PM
I read that in there also, so much for never being called a suspect. But then again, most knew from the get go that he is a suspect, dont need to read it in black and white, some things can be assumed.Well technically now that LE has made this statement, things change legally for Jason and for them.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:20 PM
Read again, i said WOULDNT be incriminating herself
sigh
Yes you did, I'm so sorry Jerzee, I have had a cold and I'm not still not back in top form and I missed that.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:20 PM
Well technically now that LE has made this statement, things change legally for Jason and for them.
the same statement has been made in other search warrants
Cardinal
02-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Well technically now that LE has made this statement, things change legally for Jason and for them.
How so, AE?
Wow, interesting information about Alan Fisher in this latest SW, eh?
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:21 PM
Yes you did, I'm so sorry Jerzee, I have had a cold and I'm not still not back in top form and I missed that.
'thas ok :)
achristie
02-10-2009, 07:22 PM
Obviously because he was asked and obviously because he had no reason to believe the tylenol was a part of the investigation.
Which is does not appear to be.
Unless someone thinks he gave Cassidy tylenol to make her sleepy.
Why would his mother ask him if he gave adult medicine to his child?
:confused:
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:22 PM
LE isnt required to state that anyone was cleared. I believe since Dec, most can assume that Meredith has been cleared. I truly believe that LE would have stepped in and contacted the judge during the custody settlement and basically said that MF is under investigation for the murder of cassidy's mother.I try not to assume too much. I don't know that LE would have the authority to step in on a civil matter.
jerzeegirl
02-10-2009, 07:22 PM
How so, AE?
Wow, interesting information about Alan Fisher in this latest SW, eh?
hey card, i actually got chills reading alans description of jasons personality. Sure its his opinion but this guy sure knows him better than any of us.
Cardinal
02-10-2009, 07:25 PM
hey card, i actually got chills reading alans description of jasons personality. Sure its his opinion but this guy sure knows him better than any of us.
Hi, jerzee, good to see you!
Chilling is a good word, I think. And "chameleon" is a very descriptive word. And, if true, would explain a few things, IMO.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 07:25 PM
Why would his mother ask him if he gave adult medicine to his child?
:confused:
He answered her, which tells me he didn't consider it a question tied to the murder investigation.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Why would his mother ask him if he gave adult medicine to his child?
:confused:
I have no idea. Prolly because they were mentioned in the warrant to get DNA swabs from Cassidy's cheeks and she asked him if he ever gave her adult tylenol.
Like everyone else here, I wasn't there and don't know.
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:27 PM
Wonder where the warrant to get the cell phone tower pings is hiding out.
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 07:28 PM
hey card, i actually got chills reading alans description of jasons personality. Sure its his opinion but this guy sure knows him better than any of us.
My take is it's an opinion formed AFTER the murder when he learned of the relationship with Michelle Money. That would hit any dad hard and he'd start rewinding history to see if he shoulda detected it. Sharon Rocha's opinion changed after she learned of Amber Fry. How could a parent's opinion NOT change when faced with that info?
alterEgo©
02-10-2009, 07:28 PM
He answered her, which tells me he didn't consider it a question tied to the murder investigation.
I totally agree.
Cardinal
02-10-2009, 07:29 PM
Wonder where the warrant to get the cell phone tower pings is hiding out.
Would that require a SW, or would a subpoena suffice?
Stellagant
02-10-2009, 07:30 PM
Wonder where the warrant to get the cell phone tower pings is hiding out.
Sitting on somebody's desk, waiting to be returned is my guess.
achristie
02-10-2009, 07:31 PM
uh, because it was the truth?
He didn't tell his mother he gave the child the medicine that night of Michelle's murder.
Absolutely agree with you. It was the truth. How do you know he didn't tell his mother he gave the child the medicine that night that MY was murdered? And what precipitated that discussion? Were they having coffee at the kitchen table one morning and he casually mentioned that he gave his daughter adult medication? GMAB.
MOO Aggie
Cardinal
02-10-2009, 07:31 PM
He answered her, which tells me he didn't consider it a question tied to the murder investigation.
Not necessarily. If he were pretty sure the DNA testing would show someone had given it to her, he could have played it off to his mother.
awareness
02-10-2009, 07:33 PM
Guess what? If LE arrests someone other than Jason the defense sure can't complain they were railroaded or can't get a fair trial.
I personally doubt that would happen in this specific case. Everyone has been looked at IMO, including Meredith and Linda. EVERYONE. The only evidence points towards Jason Young. I think it would be laughable if the defense suggested either of those.
achristie
02-10-2009, 07:35 PM
I disagree that it's telling or that she is incriminating herself. LE is not investigating her, they are investigating her son.
If she had refused to speak to them then she would be accused of trying to hide something.
I agree. I don't think his mother is incriminating herself, at all. It would appear that LE most likely asked a few questions about JY giving CY adult medication. She answered honestly. She said he gave his daughter adult medication mixed with water. This is what her son told her. My question is, why did he volunteer that info?
MOO Aggie
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