Fisher/Young Case - 2/9 [Archive] - Page 2

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 06:52 PM

Well folks do gotta sleep. :tongue:

Also, he has another cell phone, so it may not have been total cell phone silence.

LOL I thought they took his other cell phone too? It's possible, though, they selectively omitted any reference to activity on the other phone. But still, based on the information we have, the timeline is NOT impossible.

The getting lost part doesn't work for me. There are only 2 roads between Hillsville and Clintwood. I've driven through that area. The only roads intersecting those 2 roads are spiral roads around mountains. IF you chose to leave the "main road" for some unimaginable reason, it would take about 20 seconds to know you'd made a wrong turn.

JMO

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 06:53 PM

Really? She didn't sound medicated? Would that be your opinion? I would never be able to ascertain that based on a recorded 911 call. How does a medicated 2 year old sound, in your opinion?

MOO Aggie

drowsy.

:rolleyes:

Leanne Weich

02-10-2009, 06:55 PM

oh, c'mon, Leanne. If that were remotely true, JY would have been arrested years ago.

Not necessarily. The video feed is on a loop so it can always be said the video didn't catch him when he "returned from his motor vehicle". Maybe this is just one of my off the wall theories which, surely, i'm entitled to much like your many theories which you continue to remind us you're entitled to - only you wont admit they're off the wall or even possibly off the wall.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 06:57 PM

Motive was tied to the murder investigation. How would he know the medicine dropper was tied to the murder investigation? Search warrants aren't evidence.

Most people presented with a SW for their toddler's DNA, when the SW states that the DNA analysis would assist LE in identifying Michelle's killer, would figure it out, IMO

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 06:58 PM

Would that require a SW, or would a subpoena suffice?
They gotta have a probable cause warrant.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/cops-need-warra.html

Leanne Weich

02-10-2009, 06:59 PM

That was the last video image I was refering too...near the exit, but not actually out the exit. BUT, I don't believe they ever see him again on camera. If he had stayed, he would have shown up on surveillance somewhere in the hotel at some point in the night or morning. That, combined with the non-use of his keycard even though they know he was at least back down to the front desk, is what make the whole thing highly suspicious.

I think the video heading toward the exit was after he was at the front desk and I don't think he ever returned. Maybe we're on the same track and just not connecting on one another's posts. :confused:

achristie

02-10-2009, 06:59 PM

Why on earth do you expect me to know the answer? I'm not his mother. Maybe she was concerned that the medicines were kept in CY's reach?

Thank you. You just confirmed that he does discuss details of the case.
When he chooses to. Why is that?

MOO Aggie

jerry50

02-10-2009, 06:59 PM

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:02 PM

They gotta have a probable cause warrant.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/cops-need-warra.html

But AE, that article is from Sept 08, and LE could have already had Jason's records by then. Besides, it says in the article that the ruling "...does not hold force across the country...and other judges have disagreed...." with it.

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 07:02 PM

LOL I thought they took his other cell phone too? It's possible, though, they selectively omitted any reference to activity on the other phone. But still, based on the information we have, the timeline is NOT impossible.

The getting lost part doesn't work for me. There are only 2 roads between Hillsville and Clintwood. I've driven through that area. The only roads intersecting those 2 roads are spiral roads around mountains. IF you chose to leave the "main road" for some unimaginable reason, it would take about 20 seconds to know you'd made a wrong turn.

JMO
If he was on the phone with his girlfriend, maybe he missed his exit or something and was too preoccupied to notice or care.

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:03 PM

Yes, if he had given it to her previously, he would know that the DNA testing couldn't tie it specifically to the murder. But that's a different rationale than saying he knew it wasn't related to the murder.

You don't seem to understand that the DNA testing was needed to tie it to Cassidy. It can't tie it to the murder unless there is somebody else's fingerprints on it other than Jason or Michelle's. LE hasn't revealed the fingerprint analysis, have they?

jerry50

02-10-2009, 07:03 PM

They gotta have a probable cause warrant.

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/09/cops-need-warra.html

The date on that story was from Sept 08 long after the WCSO would have been searching for this info. ALso the article stated that not every judge went along with it. For all we know maybe MM gave her permission for LE to get her records.

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:03 PM

Motive was tied to the murder investigation. How would he know the medicine dropper was tied to the murder investigation? Search warrants aren't evidence.

everyone knows search warrants arent evidence, you didnt say anything about him talking about evidence, you said about the investigation, the sw's are certainly and definitely part of the investigation in which MM and the medicine were listed in and which is the only way JY could know which way the investigation was going because he certainly hasnt spoken to LE about the investigation.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:03 PM

Getting lost doesn't fly with me either. BUT, it seems like that if he could possibly make that appointment on time, he would have tried (and we know that based on the Wytheville ping, he should have been fine). That makes me think there was some loose end he had to tie up. And why didn't he call to let them know he was running late? Could it be because he didn't want his cell phone to hit off of a certain tower?? Who knows?

I don't know, but that's a good point. If I were calling on a new client for the first time and realized I was going to be late, you can bet I would have called them to let them know.

jerry50

02-10-2009, 07:05 PM

If he was on the phone with his girlfriend, maybe he missed his exit or something and was too preoccupied to notice or care.

But then he would have said "I missed an exit" rather than "I got lost". Also he probably didn't want to say "I had to stop the car 28 times to talk to my mommy".

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:06 PM

If he was on the phone with his girlfriend, maybe he missed his exit or something and was too preoccupied to notice or care.

AE, you can take my word for or not. Those roads are such a spiral they will make you dizzy. And you for sure wouldn't be talking on the phone for any length of time. Those roads take all your concentration and both hands.

JMO

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:07 PM

Not necessarily. The video feed is on a loop so it can always be said the video didn't catch him when he "returned from his motor vehicle". Maybe this is just one of my off the wall theories which, surely, i'm entitled to much like your many theories which you continue to remind us you're entitled to - only you wont admit they're off the wall or even possibly off the wall.

The difference is my theories aren't off the wall.

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:07 PM

card, do you live in NC?

achristie

02-10-2009, 07:08 PM

I'm trying to find the brief that 'splains it.

Another eye popper,for sure. Was sad to hear that Michelle and her step mother had a bad relationship. Was disappointed that nothing was said about Jason and Linda's relationship tho to try to put some events (not taking her calls and not letting her see Cassidy) into context.

Sounds like he was a very generous and loving person and that the world lost a very kind and compasionate soul when he passed on.

You were saddened that MY had a bad relationship with her stepmother? How so? Certainly not unusual when your own mother is alive and well.

Have you felt as sad for LF and MF over the last 2 years in light of their limited visits etc. with Cassidy? AF was saddened by it.

I never bought into the posts about AF being in JY's court. Certain posters here who maligned MF and her mother were stupid enough to assume that AF supported that notion. What must the man have thought if he ever read those posts?

May he rest in peace with his daughter and grandson.

MOO Aggie

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:10 PM

AE, you can take my word for or not. Those roads are such a spiral they will make you dizzy. And you for sure wouldn't be talking on the phone for any length of time. Those roads take all your concentration and both hands.

JMO

Yes, and can you say with 100% certainty that at the time Jason was driving that unfamiliar route in the mountains on November 3, 2006 that there was no construction, no bad weather, no detour due to accident in the roadway?

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:10 PM

We are saying the same thing;)

Here is my theorized timeline:

--Jason checks in (on video)
--Jason uses keycard (6 minutes later)
--Jason ruffles up the bed, gets some towels wet...makes the room look lived in
--Jason apparently calls MM (11:42)
--Jason leaves the keycard in the room, while gathering all of his stuff up to take out to his vehicle
--Jason goes down the stairs by the exit and exits -- propping the door open with a rock so he can get back in
--Jason takes his stuff to the car
--Jason then goes back in through the door he propped because his keycard is in the room
--Jason goes to the front desk and asks for a receipt (?) (seen on camera)
--Jason then walks back down the same hall towards exit (caught on camera, 11:58)

He then never takes the rock out of the door...

I would love to know from the housekeeping crew what that room looked like. I put money on the bed being ruffled and toothpaste being left there or something that makes it look like he actually stayed.

That's very workable, oneder. I've said before your theory about the hotel and keycard make sense to me.

And yes, jerzee, I live in NC.

Leanne Weich

02-10-2009, 07:10 PM

The difference is my theories aren't off the wall.

That's a matter of opinion. I'd say it's a pretty good guess that they are if each opinion not only never comes to fruition but is proven wrong.

Leanne Weich

02-10-2009, 07:11 PM

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:12 PM

Yes, and can you say with 100% certainty that at the time Jason was driving that unfamiliar route in the mountains on November 3, 2006 that there was no construction, no bad weather, no detour due to accident in the roadway?

No, I can't say that. But I CAN say that if I were about to call on a new client, for a new employer, I wouldn't have shown up late for any reason without calling to let them know I'd been delayed by construction/bad weather/detour/accident. No way.

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:12 PM

You were saddened that MY had a bad relationship with her stepmother? How so? Certainly not unusual when your own mother is alive and well.

Have you felt as sad for LF and MF over the last 2 years in light of their limited visits etc. with Cassidy? AF was saddened by it.

I never bought into the posts about AF being in JY's court. Certain posters here who maligned MF and her mother were stupid enough to assume that AF supported that notion. What must the man have thought if he ever read those posts?

May he rest in peace with his daughter and grandson.

MOO Aggie

i was floored when i saw that he he said there are only two reasons for him to keep a relationship with JY.....A. Cassidy, B. maybe he would reveal something to him or his wife about the murder. (paraphrasing)

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 07:12 PM

But AE, that article is from Sept 08, and LE could have already had Jason's records by then. Besides, it says in the article that the ruling "...does not hold force across the country...and other judges have disagreed...." with it.Yes it is, but it's tied to an earlier ruling and cites USSC rulings. Sorry, it was a bad example altho the DOJ did concur with the ruling.

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:13 PM

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:14 PM

Makes you wonder if maybe he didn't have to "dispose" of some things on those spirally back roads, ya know?

It does beg the question, oneder. IF Jason killed Michelle, he wouldn't have wanted his cell phone to ping until he was back where he was supposed to be, IMO. So IF any disposal were necessary, it would have been done after Wytheville, also IMO.

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:14 PM

We are saying the same thing;)

Here is my theorized timeline:

--Jason checks in (on video)
--Jason uses keycard (6 minutes later)
--Jason ruffles up the bed, gets some towels wet...makes the room look lived in
--Jason apparently calls MM (11:42)
--Jason leaves the keycard in the room, while gathering all of his stuff up to take out to his vehicle
--Jason goes down the stairs by the exit and exits -- propping the door open with a rock so he can get back in
--Jason takes his stuff to the car
--Jason then goes back in through the door he propped because his keycard is in the room
--Jason goes to the front desk and asks for a receipt (?) (seen on camera)
--Jason then walks back down the same hall towards exit (caught on camera, 11:58)

He then never takes the rock out of the door...

I would love to know from the housekeeping crew what that room looked like. I put money on the bed being ruffled and toothpaste being left there or something that makes it look like he actually stayed.

That's funny. He uses a rock to sneak out the exit door and just leaves it in the door so somebody can find it. Yeah, that's it!!!:lol:

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:15 PM

Yes it is, but it's tied to an earlier ruling and cites USSC rulings. Sorry, it was a bad example.

No problem, AE. :)

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:16 PM

That's funny. He uses a rock to sneak out the exit door and just leaves it in the door so somebody can find it. Yeah, that's it!!!:lol:

Maybe he was planning to come back to the hotel for the continental breakfast, and it just didn't work out.

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:16 PM

That's funny. He uses a rock to sneak out the exit door and just leaves it in the door so somebody can find it. Yeah, that's it!!!:lol:

maybe he couldnt get back to the hotel, he had to leave it propped, no time, he would be even more late if he stops at hotel. Went to plan b.

Leanne Weich

02-10-2009, 07:17 PM

That's funny. He uses a rock to sneak out the exit door and just leaves it in the door so somebody can find it. Yeah, that's it!!!:lol:

Not funny - probably didn't anticipate how long it would take to murder his wife. Thought at that time of night nobody would notice the propped open door and he'd be back in time to re-enter the hotel and be caught of surveillance video.

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:18 PM

i was floored when i saw that he he said there are only two reasons for him to keep a relationship with JY.....A. Cassidy, B. maybe he would reveal something to him or his wife about the murder. (paraphrasing)

What's so surprising about that? If a grandchild wasn't in the picture, any parent would have cut off the relationship after learning of an affair.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:21 PM

What's so surprising about that? If a grandchild wasn't in the picture, any parent would have cut off the relationship after learning of an affair.

But would they continue the relationship with the SIL, and in SPITE of the desire to maintain contact with the grandchild, share the details with LE?

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:22 PM

Not funny - probably didn't anticipate how long it would take to murder his wife. Thought at that time of night nobody would notice the propped open door and he'd be back in time to re-enter the hotel and be caught of surveillance video.

Very funny considering the cell phone pings put him in the exact area he was supposed to be in at a time that tracks with when he would have left the hotel and hit the road for his business meeting.

You can come up with off the wall theories til the cows come home but that doesn't mean there is evidence that supports them.

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:23 PM

What's so surprising about that? If a grandchild wasn't in the picture, any parent would have cut off the relationship after learning of an affair.

nah im not buying that, so many here were so full of the notion that JY and AF were buddy buddy after michelle was murdered. It was all an act so he could get info and see his granddaughter.

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:23 PM

But would they continue the relationship with the SIL, and in SPITE of the desire to maintain contact with the grandchild, share the details with LE?

Of course. Why wouldn't they?

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:24 PM

~snipped~

You can come up with off the wall theories til the cows come home but that doesn't mean there is evidence that supports them.

I'm so glad you said that. May I quote you the next time you theorize Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder?

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 07:26 PM

You were saddened that MY had a bad relationship with her stepmother? How so? Certainly not unusual when your own mother is alive and well.

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MOO Aggie
Absolutely it saddened me.

Just because Michelle's mother is still alive and well doesn't mean she can't have a civil or loving relationship with her stepmom - believe it or, it does happen.

awareness

02-10-2009, 07:26 PM

The difference is my theories aren't off the wall.

:lol: in your opinion, I can assure you that.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:26 PM

nah im not buying that, so many here were so full of the notion that JY and AF were buddy buddy after michelle was murdered. It was all an act so he could get info and see his granddaughter.

I feel so sorry for Alan Fisher. What an awful position for him to find himself in, eh?

I wonder how Jason feels about learning from the newspaper that Alan and June didn't buy his act?

awareness

02-10-2009, 07:28 PM

I'm so glad you said that. May I quote you the next time you theorize Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder?

That's only happened several times today alone.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:31 PM

Absolutely it saddened me.

Just because Michelle's mother is still alive and well doesn't mean she can't have a civil or loving relationship with her stepmom - believe it or, it does happen.

It does happen, AE, but not always, unfortunately. And sometimes, it takes time, and age, before that comes to be.

Which, sadly, Michelle and June didn't have.

JMO

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:32 PM

I feel so sorry for Alan Fisher. What an awful position for him to find himself in, eh?

I wonder how Jason feels about learning from the newspaper that Alan and June didn't buy his act?

Im glad he knows, im glad he knows now that he didnt have Michelles own dad in his pocket. Spiteful as that may sound, JY didnt deserve Michelles dads trust and empathy, even if it was fake, im sure it made JY feel really good at the time and so underserved.

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:33 PM

nah im not buying that, so many here were so full of the notion that JY and AF were buddy buddy after michelle was murdered. It was all an act so he could get info and see his granddaughter.

I don't know that anyone said they were buddy buddy. The emails sounds like despite his suspicions, Alan Fisher remained fond of Jason and desperately hoped he was wrong. I doubt he could ever dismiss the fact that Jason had cheated on Michelle but that wouldn't dimish the love he had for Michelle's child. I also get the impression that June may have been closer to Jason than he was and that maybe she didn't share his suspicions and that there is a close bond between Pat and June.

Maybe Jason suspected it was an act? After all, Alan did tell him the DA had come for a visit. I have to applaud Jason's humanity. He allowed liberal visits and time alone between CY and her dying grandpa. Jason didn't have to allow any of it but the fact remains, he did and he didn't block their time alone. I've been hearing for years those who claim the reason Jason prevented time with Meredith and Linda was he feared CY say something that incriminates him.

Leanne Weich

02-10-2009, 07:34 PM

You can come up with off the wall theories til the cows come home but that doesn't mean there is evidence that supports them.

Oh, I see - now one needs evidence to support theories. Pity that rule doesn't apply to you but, then again, if those rules did apply to you, you wouldn't have anything to say. :w00t:

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 07:35 PM

I'm so glad you said that. May I quote you the next time you theorize Meredith was involved in Michelle's murder?

By all means because there is real evidence that supports it. :lol:

jerzeegirl

02-10-2009, 07:38 PM

You never know what people do when they have a lot of things on their mind...

or when they are going to be late and are in a rush. The other day i was in a rush, got in my car, realized forgot my keys in house, went in house to get keys, grabbed keys, got in car (now im late), driving down road without purse (left on counter when i went in to get keys), went to where i was going without license, id, didnt want to go back cuz i was late.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:40 PM

I don't know that anyone said they were buddy buddy. The emails sounds like despite his suspicions, Alan Fisher remained fond of Jason and desperately hoped he was wrong. I doubt he could ever dismiss the fact that Jason had cheated on Michelle but that wouldn't dimish the love he had for Michelle's child. I also get the impression that June may have been closer to Jason than he was and that maybe she didn't share his suspicions and that there is a close bond between Pat and June.

Maybe Jason suspected it was an act? After all, Alan did tell him the DA had come for a visit. I have to applaud Jason's humanity. He allowed liberal visits and time alone between CY and her dying grandpa. Jason didn't have to allow any of it but the fact remains, he did and he didn't block their time alone. I've been hearing for years those who claim the reason Jason prevented time with Meredith and Linda was he feared CY say something that incriminates him.

If I were you, I'd be very careful about insinuating that "June may have been closer to Jason than he was". Based upon what is documented about Jason, that could lead to some nasty speculation.

As for applauding Jason's humanity, feel free. I don't feel the need to applaud a man who cheated on his wife with one of her best friends, and who communicated to his deceased wife's father that he was ready to "start moving forward" within 40 days of his wife's death.

JMO

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 07:43 PM

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:44 PM

Didn't say I wasn't taking you word. Just throwing a 'what if' out there. :smile:

I know, AE. But I can't link it. LOL :D

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:45 PM

Yeah, not really award or commendation worthy acts, huh?

Whether or not Jason killed Michelle, he certainly wouldn't get my vote for Husband of the Year. Or Son-In-Law of the Year, for that matter.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:47 PM

By all means because there is real evidence that supports it. :lol:

Really? I'd sure like to see links to this "real evidence".

awareness

02-10-2009, 07:50 PM

Really? I'd sure like to see links to this "real evidence".

You and I both know there will be no such link from Stellagnant. Im sure however they'll be asking YOU for a link at any moment now.

awareness

02-10-2009, 07:54 PM

I'll buy that was why AF stayed in touch with JY but why did JY stay in touch with AF? What could AF do for him? Looks like JY just wanted AF to be able to see his GD till he died.

MO it was all an act to make himself look better in the eyes of his family/friends. At least Slayer could say he's taking Cassidy to see the Fishers - and just happened to leave the fact out its only Alan/Grandfather & his wife and not Cassidy's maternal Grandmother & Aunt. At least that way he wouldnt appear 100% heartless, although I feel he has no heart whatsoever.

JMO/IMO

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:56 PM

You and I both know there will be no such link from Stellagnant. Im sure however they'll be asking YOU for a link at any moment now.

I'm the first to admit when I don't have a link! However, I don't claim there's "real evidence" I can't link.

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 07:57 PM

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As for applauding Jason's humanity, feel free. I don't feel the need to applaud a man who cheated on his wife with one of her best friends, and who communicated to his deceased wife's father that he was ready to "start moving forward" within 40 days of his wife's death.

JMOHow long should he wait?

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 07:58 PM

I'll buy that was why AF stayed in touch with JY but why did JY stay in touch with AF? What could AF do for him? Looks like JY just wanted AF to be able to see his GD till he died.

One answer would be head games, confused. I do know for a fact (IME - no link available) that some men like to play them. IF Jason is guilty of Michelle's murder, then he would be that kind of man, IMO.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 08:00 PM

How long should he wait?

I don't know, AE, but 5 WEEKS??? Don't you think that's at least callous? If he loved Michelle at all, wouldn't he be talking about his loss rather than moving forward? She was barely in the ground, FGS.

ETA: It isn't like Michelle died after a long illness, giving Jason time to prepare. His wife was brutally murdered, no one has been held accountable, and he's already ready to move forward?

awareness

02-10-2009, 08:02 PM

How long should he wait?

I found it odd myself that Jason claimed he didn't have time to greive properly w/all the stuff going on (I assume he meant the investigation), yet he was ready to move forward.

How can someone move forward unless they give themselves time to properly greive & get all of those emotions out?

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/10/4508366/20090210114743620.pdf
end of page 8, beginning of page 9 email from JY to AF.

I too miss Michelle very much and still dont feel I've had time to greive with all that's been going on. I've never been so filled with emotions in my entire life and I just want to start moving forward.

awareness

02-10-2009, 08:06 PM

I also find it disturbing that Jason only mentions Michelle. NOT his son Rylan.

achristie

02-10-2009, 08:07 PM

I feel so sorry for Alan Fisher. What an awful position for him to find himself in, eh?

I wonder how Jason feels about learning from the newspaper that Alan and June didn't buy his act?

I feel more sorry for LF. Alan is free of his earthly burdens. He no longer grieves nor sheds any tears. I believe he is with his daughter and grandson. LF and MF are the ones I feel sorry for. Grief is for the living.

MOO Aggie

awareness

02-10-2009, 08:12 PM

Cardinal do you know for a fact he wasn't at the motel for a continental breakfast? Have you read somewhere that he picked up his motel receipt the night before?

I thought the Hotel said he came by to pick up his receipt shortly after checking in? IIRC, I could be wrong.

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 08:19 PM

I don't know, AE, but 5 WEEKS??? Don't you think that's at least callous? If he loved Michelle at all, wouldn't he be talking about his loss rather than moving forward? She was barely in the ground, FGS.

ETA: It isn't like Michelle died after a long illness, giving Jason time to prepare. His wife was brutally murdered, no one has been held accountable, and he's already ready to move forward?
Well, if he really planned this almost perfect murder, wouldn't he have also anticipated the correct responses to what others would perceive as grieving?

Alan said he was a chameleon. Where is this chameleon in showing all these things that show how much he cared or how devasted he is or any of the emotions he is accused of not having that a so-called innocent person would have? If he's so smart, he would know to at least mimic some of these emotions to keep suspicions at bay.

But by all accounts, he hasn't.

I can't reconcile him being so meticulous about the actual murder and then so careless with his own emotions when he should know how it would 'look'.

jerry50

02-10-2009, 08:19 PM

I'll buy that was why AF stayed in touch with JY but why did JY stay in touch with AF? What could AF do for him? Looks like JY just wanted AF to be able to see his GD till he died.

I think JY stayed in touch with Alan for two reasons. One was to inflict pain on Linda and Meredith by allowing June access to their granddaughter/niece when they were not allowed aqny contact with her.
Also I think JY was hoping for a monetary windfall for Cassidy when Alan died. Money he would have access to.

Barbara2

02-10-2009, 08:20 PM

I thought the Hotel said he came by to pick up his receipt shortly after checking in? IIRC, I could be wrong.

I don't believe it's ever been reported why he returned to the front desk. The picture shows him with a piece of paper in his hand but I don't know that it is the receipt.

jerry50

02-10-2009, 08:24 PM

Well, if he really planned this almost perfect murder, wouldn't he have also anticipated the correct responses to what others would perceive as grieving?

Alan said he was a chameleon. Where is this chameleon in showing all these things that show how much he cared or how devasted he is or any of the emotions he is accused of not having that a so-called innocent person would have? If he's so smart, he would know to at least mimic some of these emotions to keep suspicions at bay.

But by all accounts, he hasn't.

I can't reconcile him being so meticulous about the actual murder and then so careless with his own emotions when he should know how it would 'look'.

You should read the book by Dr Keith Ablow about Scott Peterson. He does a great job of explaining this type of personality disorder. They even fail at trying to mimic people around themselves.

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 08:24 PM

I found it odd myself that Jason claimed he didn't have time to greive properly w/all the stuff going on (I assume he meant the investigation), yet he was ready to move forward.

How can someone move forward unless they give themselves time to properly greive & get all of those emotions out?

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/10/4508366/20090210114743620.pdf
end of page 8, beginning of page 9 email from JY to AF.

I too miss Michelle very much and still dont feel I've had time to greive with all that's been going on. I've never been so filled with emotions in my entire life and I just want to start moving forward.

Thank you for the context. I don't see where he is saying he is 'ready' to move forward, only that he wants to start but because of all the emotions he can't.

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 08:26 PM

You should read the book by Dr Keith Ablow about Scott Peterson. He does a great job of explaining this type of personality disorder. They even fail at trying to mimic people around themselves.
Sorry, I consider Keith Ablow a complete fruitcake.

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 08:28 PM

This has never been confirmed.

Actually it has never been confirmed he ever got a receipt. But, being a salesman who needs to expense, he should have gotten one. Had he gotten one in the morning, he would have turned it over to LE to help with his alibi. To my knowledge, this hasn't happened.

--------------------------

Also, as for knowing whether or not he had continental breakfast...apparently he can't be placed there doing that by camera or by eye witness or the last SW wouldn't have stated that they can't account for his whereabouts between 11:58 pm and 7:40 am (ping on Wytheville tower)...
The receipt was in inventory of items seized from his vehicle.

Cardinal

02-10-2009, 08:35 PM

Cardinal do you know for a fact he wasn't at the motel for a continental breakfast? Have you read somewhere that he picked up his motel receipt the night before?

No, I don't know that for a fact, confused. And I don't know when, precisely, he picked up the receipt that was found in his SUV. I'm just speculating.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

alterEgo©

02-10-2009, 08:40 PM

Do we know if it was date/time stamped? If it was...it must not have been in that midnight to 7:40 window they said they couldn't determine his wherabouts....No they don't mention time stamps, just that they seized the receipt.

kingbuff

02-10-2009, 08:51 PM

No they don't mention time stamps, just that they seized the receipt.

Wasn't there another receipt found in the car....maybe for a motel room reservation for a motel in Raleigh?

Barbara2

02-10-2009, 08:54 PM

Wasn't there another receipt found in the car....maybe for a motel room reservation for a motel in Raleigh?

I don't know but the investigators know for sure. They don't have to rely on "what they heard" or "what they were told". They have the evidence.

kingbuff

02-10-2009, 08:56 PM

awareness

02-10-2009, 08:56 PM

I don't believe it's ever been reported why he returned to the front desk. The picture shows him with a piece of paper in his hand but I don't know that it is the receipt.

Thanks I do stand corrected. What you cited above is what I was thinking of. Dont know why I thought it was the receipt.

Barbara2

02-10-2009, 08:58 PM

By the way....I think we will eventually see other emails exchanged between Jason and Alan. I think maybe the cops just published the ones they hope will put more pressure on Jason to agree to be grilled. Before drawing conclusions about their relationship, I think I will wait to see the others. The cops are tricky, you know.

I didn't find the emails nearly as interesting as the statements made in the interview. I believe that shows what Alan really believed. Emails between himself and Jason may not have been genuine on the part of either one, depending on what the purpose of each man was. IMO

awareness

02-10-2009, 09:00 PM

Thank you for the context. I don't see where he is saying he is 'ready' to move forward, only that he wants to start but because of all the emotions he can't.

I guess my point was I dont understand how he could even think about moving forward, since it was so soon after the murder. Not to mention, Jason makes no mention in any of the emails about Rylan.

JMO/IMO

kingbuff

02-10-2009, 09:00 PM

I don't know but the investigators know for sure. They don't have to rely on "what they heard" or "what they were told". They have the evidence.

For sure. Their problem is, they don't know how to interpret the evidence. Looked at one way, the evidence says one thing. Looked at another way, the evidence says something else. They really need to grill Jason before they are embarrassed by arresting him. Don't you think?

Barbara2

02-10-2009, 09:06 PM

For sure. Their problem is, they don't know how to interpret the evidence. Looked at one way, the evidence says one thing. Looked at another way, the evidence says something else. They really need to grill Jason before they are embarrassed by arresting him. Don't you think?

Not really. I think they have had more than enough to arrest him since the very beginning. I think that it's possible that there are some close to Jason who have been misled by him. It is possible that these "interpretations" do not include all of the evidence known to the investigators. I believe they have more than enough to convict as long as they don't get a moron on the jury. Sometimes things are just as they seem as long as you don't have the blinders on. IMO

kingbuff

02-10-2009, 09:08 PM

I didn't find the emails nearly as interesting as the statements made in the interview. I believe that shows what Alan really believed. Emails between himself and Jason may not have been genuine on the part of either one, depending on what the purpose of each man was. IMO

The interview notes seem to be revealing, no doubt. And so are the emails. Alan seems to want Jason to say he didn't do it. Jason seems to want Alan to accept him as an innocent man who doesn't need to say it. Jason doesn't need to say it to me. A friend believes in the man, not what is said.

achristie

02-10-2009, 09:11 PM

kingbuff

02-10-2009, 09:14 PM

Not really. I think they have had more than enough to arrest him since the very beginning. I think that it's possible that there are some close to Jason who have been misled by him. It is possible that these "interpretations" do not include all of the evidence known to the investigators. I believe they have more than enough to convict as long as they don't get a moron on the jury. Sometimes things are just as they seem as long as you don't have the blinders on. IMO

I think all of this 'evidence' you claim the cops have is open to interpretation. Perhaps those 'blinders' you mention have kept the cops from investigating other possibilities.

Barbara2

02-10-2009, 09:18 PM

kingbuff

02-10-2009, 09:28 PM

I believe they tried. All roads and all evidence led them back to one person. Maybe you've only seen one skin of this chameleon. IMO

The cops convinced Alan Jason was responsible, so of course he would see Jason as a chameleon. The son in law Alan knew could not possibly have killed his daughter.

jerry50

02-10-2009, 09:28 PM

Leanne Weich

02-10-2009, 09:30 PM

You don't have to worry about JY being "grilled". NC uses lethal injection not the electric chair.

:thumbsup: That's the best post of the day.

Barbara2

02-10-2009, 09:36 PM

The cops convinced Alan Jason was responsible, so of course he would see Jason as a chameleon. The son in law Alan knew could not possibly have killed his daughter.

The son-in-law that Alan knew couldn't have professed love to another woman while Alan's daughter was carrying his child either. That's the problem. The person that everyone *thinks* they know is not real. He has fooled many. He has not been able to fool LE. Of course I think he knew that he wouldn't succeed in that act so he hasn't even tried. Easier to hide. IMO

cognac

02-10-2009, 11:17 PM

The interview notes seem to be revealing, no doubt. And so are the emails. Alan seems to want Jason to say he didn't do it. Jason seems to want Alan to accept him as an innocent man who doesn't need to say it. Jason doesn't need to say it to me. A friend believes in the man, not what is said.

Ohhh my goodness! You're still defending jason and "believe in the man" after what he did with custody of his daughter?
How do you suppose Pat feels now that she will be seeing her grandchild a lot less? I would imagine she's confused and heartbroken.

Shouldn't you be rallying to the aid of your so-called long time friend Pat in view of what her son/your friend has done to her? And don't blame the Judge - this is jason's doing!

And how do you feel about Alan's statements with respect to Pat looking at the shrine for 45 minutes, overcome with emotion and reaching out to him for a hug while her son chose to stay in the kitchen for the entire duration? What kind of a "man" is that?

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 11:50 PM

Really? I'd sure like to see links to this "real evidence".

Links to the 911 call and search warrants have been on links thread and at

http://www.wral.com

Stellagant

02-10-2009, 11:58 PM

I think all of this 'evidence' you claim the cops have is open to interpretation. Perhaps those 'blinders' you mention have kept the cops from investigating other possibilities.

Indeed, in the last few warrants, cops have made two things abundantly clear: 1) Jason was following his attorney's advice and remaining silent to Alan, Kim, Pat. If he remained silent to them, it's unlikely he spoke about the murder to anyone else via email and

2) cops are more interested in who communicated with Jason than the other way around. This hotmail account was during the time he was working for Chartone, around the time of the murder. The cops want to see who else, besides Alan Fisher, tried to get Jason to talk about the murder or the affair with Michelle Money. They are about to get an entire list from hotmail.

5swab5

02-11-2009, 06:16 AM

I'll buy that was why AF stayed in touch with JY but why did JY stay in touch with AF? What could AF do for him? Looks like JY just wanted AF to be able to see his GD till he died.

Perhaps Jason was thinking that Cassidy would be included in Alan's will and he didn't want to risk missing out on some extra loot. The vultures always circle when people have terminal illnesses. MOO

5swab5

02-11-2009, 06:20 AM

How long should he wait?

Until he uttered those words to Michelle's Daddy, who was dying of cancer?

FOREVER! MOO

5swab5

02-11-2009, 06:25 AM

Tia

02-11-2009, 09:35 AM

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6650848&cmp=emc-wtvd-Todays_Local_News-021009-top5-6650848

Tia

02-11-2009, 10:08 AM

I think that is the same warrant we read yesterday. I don't see any difference in them. Did you?

Nope! Just a friendly reminder that Jason Young is considered a suspect according to the latest warrants.

Tia

02-11-2009, 10:16 AM

The only way to see the evidence any way, except for exactly what it is, is to want to believe...beyond all hope that Jason is innocent.

The jurors won't have such blind allegiance, thankfully. MOO

I agree Swabby. Its over. Jason Young is toast, no excuse in the world is going to fly now.

kingbuff

02-11-2009, 11:27 AM

I agree Swabby. Its over. Jason Young is toast, no excuse in the world is going to fly now.

You saw some new evidence in that copy-and-paste depo? You should share with us.

kingbuff

02-11-2009, 11:29 AM

I read somewhere that Alan Fisher either gave Jason quite a deal on his vehicles or maybe even gave him cars, Jason probably was thinking ahead and had his eye on some new car he wanted Alan to leave to him. If not that, I believe it was for monetary purposes, solely.

From what I've read, you are a little confused about the person who received a car. Maybe you should recheck your source.

Barbara2

02-11-2009, 11:41 AM

From what I've read, you are a little confused about the person who received a car. Maybe you should recheck your source.

From the photos of Jason's car when it was impounded, I think that someone recognized the name of Mr. Fisher's dealership on the plate cover. IMO

Barbara2

02-11-2009, 11:54 AM

So you think that if you see a dealership plate on a car then that tells us the car was given to the person. I have a dealership name on my car and I can assure you the car wasn't given to me. I'm gonna call around and see if I can find a dealership that will give me a car if I let them put their plate on it. Wish me luck.

That's not what the post said. The person says he "received quite a deal". That's not the same as being given a car.

Good luck!

Barbara2

02-11-2009, 12:09 PM

I went back and looked and you were right and wrong. Course Vanesse added a maybe before the giving of a car. I guess that means she was just trying to start another rumor.

Kingbuff indicated that Jason is not the one who received a car from Mr. Fisher. The front plate tells a different story. IMO

jerry50

02-11-2009, 12:58 PM

Vanessa, Alan Fisher wasn't able to make a trip to see his granddaughter much less be in anyones corner. I think JY wanted AF to see his granddaughter as much as possible because he realized he was dying. I don't think with Alan having a living wife and step children JY would expect Alan's assets to go to anyone but his wife. After all when JY and MY made their will they both left everything to each other. now LF made sure she got it but thats a different story.

Why do you continue to bash Linda? Evidently all of the derogatory info you received regarding her past that you alluded to ad nauseum did not exist. JY willingly gave custody of his only child to Meredith with full knowledge that Linda would have complete access to Cassidy.

You might want to gather all your info from your defamatory source so that you won't be the one holding the bag when the lawsuit is served.

5swab5

02-11-2009, 12:58 PM

You call it incentive to file for custody of the child? The child is rich that was MF's incentive. Everything the Fishers have done has been about money. Money from the WDS, then when the judge gave it to the kid well then they went after the kid. I don't know how people can not see through what is happening here.

Unbelievable!

All an innocent Jason had to do was open his mouth and the WDS wouldn't have ever amounted to anything....All an innocent Jason had to do was open his mouth and Cassidy would remain in Brevard.

But he wouldn't, and you don't wonder why?

What kind of incentive would it take for an innocent man to speak up? Apparently losing primary custody of his child wasn't enough.

It is time for this charade to end. Michelle and Rylan deserve justice. MOO

Tia

02-11-2009, 01:06 PM

The only person who has done anything wrong is Jason.

He has been named Michelle's Slayer, he has been labeled a suspect, his own FIL suspected he murdered Michelle........so explain to me why the bashing of the Fisher women continues?

I am sure Linda and Meredith would much rather have Michelle around then be going through what they are going through.

awareness

02-11-2009, 01:15 PM

Unbelievable!

All an innocent Jason had to do was open his mouth and the WDS wouldn't have ever amounted to anything....All an innocent Jason had to do was open his mouth and Cassidy would remain in Brevard.

But he wouldn't, and you don't wonder why?

What kind of incentive would it take for an innocent man to speak up? Apparently losing primary custody of his child wasn't enough.

It is time for this charade to end. Michelle and Rylan deserve justice. MOO

ITA!!!

Confused - you seem to fail to recognize Jason didnt have to have Cassidy removed from his primary physical custody. Jason didnt have to lose the WD suit. Jason CHOSE NOT TO RESPOND.

To keep projecting Jason's faults on everyone else doesn't erase them. But keep spinning. I wouldnt be surprised if the Fishers file suit from some of the slanderous things that are said about them every day on this forum.

JMO/IMO

awareness

02-11-2009, 01:20 PM

And another thing about the money. Meredith and Linda are employed. Linda OWNS the home that Meredith & Cassidy will be living in.

They aren't taking custody of octo-mom's 8+ kids and need millions to raise Cassidy. They are clearly able and competent to care for Cassidy's well being and financial well being without the insurance money. They own the home its not like they're in some studio apartment and need an upgrade, I really fail to see what the money angle is about. I highly doubt that Linda, Meredith and/or Cassidy will be taking extravagant trips, buying luxury cars IF and WHEN they're granted access to the life insurance money. Yet you sit there Confused and some others and imply away that there's more sinister motives. :rolleyes: Unreal.

JMO/IMO

Tia

02-11-2009, 01:21 PM

ITA!!!

Confused - you seem to fail to recognize Jason didnt have to have Cassidy removed from his primary physical custody. Jason didnt have to lose the WD suit. Jason CHOSE NOT TO RESPOND.

To keep projecting Jason's faults on everyone else doesn't erase them. But keep spinning. I wouldnt be surprised if the Fishers file suit from some of the slanderous things that are said about them every day on this forum.

JMO/IMO

I truly hope so, maybe they are and thats why all the JII's have disappeared.

I guess someone just didn't get the memo.

Stellagant

02-11-2009, 01:27 PM

Vanessa, All signs don't point to JY being the killer. Fact there was 2 bloody footprints. Fact JY was on his way or in Va when the child was supposed to have been alone with her mom's bloody body yet the child was clean. Fact MF's 911 call sounds like she is talking to a neighbor about a dirty house and barking dog. I have never once hear her say please hurry I need help. Instead she says I'm usually pretty good in stressful situations. All the diversion tactics in the world won't cover up that 911 call.

Fact, Linda Fisher and Meredith Fisher settled the custody claim quickly and without requiring Jason to undergo a psych evaluation. Looks like they feared the depositions as much as Jason did, imo.

Stellagant

02-11-2009, 01:32 PM

I know very good and well how a trust works. I remember the trust that was set up when MY was murdered. I also remember how that trust was handled. Here is a link explaining it.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-347843.html#347843

I wonder what kind of emails were sent to Jason at that hotmail address about how that trust was handled or mishandled? You know, the hotmail account that we just learned Spivey is hot in pursuit? LOL

texasgal

02-11-2009, 01:33 PM

Tia

02-11-2009, 01:43 PM

Fact, Linda Fisher and Meredith Fisher settled the custody claim quickly and without requiring Jason to undergo a psych evaluation. Looks like they feared the depositions as much as Jason did, imo.

Is that a fact???

WRONG. The Fisher's had nothing to settle. Jason settled. He sat with his lawyer, came up with an agreement that would allow him to keep his mouth shut and not be subjected to a psych eval, and offered it to Meredith. She took it.

End of story.

If you have information that Meredith is "involved" as you imply everyday, please feel free to contact LE. Otherwise, without a link or anything at all to back up your claim, its nothing more than victim bashing and baiting of posters because I think you just enjoy disrupting the board.

5swab5

02-11-2009, 01:46 PM

5swab5

02-11-2009, 02:24 PM

jerry50

02-11-2009, 02:51 PM

Vanessa, All signs don't point to JY being the killer. Fact there was 2 bloody footprints. Fact JY was on his way or in Va when the child was supposed to have been alone with her mom's bloody body yet the child was clean. Fact MF's 911 call sounds like she is talking to a neighbor about a dirty house and barking dog. I have never once hear her say please hurry I need help. Instead she says I'm usually pretty good in stressful situations. All the diversion tactics in the world won't cover up that 911 call.

Have you ever gotten your hearing checked? There are only 3 other persons on the site who have criticized the 911 call and 2 of them have skedaddled since Meredith was granted custody of Cassidy.

The vile way you treat her is dispicable. Next you'll be accusing her of the lowlife charge of foreclosing on a home and leaving the state one step ahead of the cops.

awareness

02-11-2009, 02:55 PM

Fact, Linda Fisher and Meredith Fisher settled the custody claim quickly and without requiring Jason to undergo a psych evaluation. Looks like they feared the depositions as much as Jason did, imo.

If they feared anything at all, any evaluation, any home visit, any background check - I highly doubt they would have filed the custody suit in the first place. Its MO your insinuation that they were hiding is completley ridiculous.

FACT - Jason chose not to respond in court and settled, giving primary physical custody to Meredith and joint legal custody to Meredith.
FACT - Jason is their primary suspect in the murder of Michelle & Rylan
FACT - Jason chose not to respond to the civil wrongful death suit and was declared having murdered Michelle & Rylan

JMO/IMO

jerzeegirl

02-11-2009, 02:57 PM

honestly i believe that some people wouldnt believe he is guilty even if he confessed. They would think that MF made him confess.

Tia

02-11-2009, 03:38 PM

There are a lot of unsupervised sites that could fit that description. Heres one just look at these people. Talk about libel. Oh if you had read on down you would have seen the source. Allot of people on these sites tend to believe him. I've put it back up so you can check the source.

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http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-347843.html#347843

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Stellagant

02-11-2009, 04:39 PM

Is that a fact???

WRONG. The Fisher's had nothing to settle. Jason settled. He sat with his lawyer, came up with an agreement that would allow him to keep his mouth shut and not be subjected to a psych eval, and offered it to Meredith. She took it.

End of story.

If you have information that Meredith is "involved" as you imply everyday, please feel free to contact LE. Otherwise, without a link or anything at all to back up your claim, its nothing more than victim bashing and baiting of posters because I think you just enjoy disrupting the board.

You keep telling me my opinion is wrong but the fact is, they did settle BEFORE the Judge ever decided on their request for a psych evaluation. Seems to me (in other words, it's my opinion) they settled for the same reason Jason settled: to keep their own mouths shut.

I'm not victim bashing, I'm expressing my opinion just as you do about Jason.

I've said all along I believe Meredith is involved based on the 911 call and her inconsistent statements to LE mentioned in search warrants. Her quick settlement of the custody claim merely adds to my suspicion she is involved. All of it is public information that has been linked repeatedly.

Stellagant

02-11-2009, 04:46 PM

My guess is that whatever was posted at the links you and Confused have provided would be more rumors with nothing to back them up. It's interesting that you keep giving the address to a board that is okay with libel. Pretty easy to get the private board info in a lawsuit. Hope YOU aren't a regular. :laugh:

I'm pretty sure the only link I've posted is to the Social Security Administration website.

:rolleyes:

5swab5

02-11-2009, 05:04 PM

You keep telling me my opinion is wrong but the fact is, they did settle BEFORE the Judge ever decided on their request for a psych evaluation. Seems to me (in other words, it's my opinion) they settled for the same reason Jason settled: to keep their own mouths shut.

I'm not victim bashing, I'm expressing my opinion just as you do about Jason.

I've said all along I believe Meredith is involved based on the 911 call and her inconsistent statements to LE mentioned in search warrants. Her quick settlement of the custody claim merely adds to my suspicion she is involved. All of it is public information that has been linked repeatedly.

I agree. Your opinion is wrong.

Only Jason was in line for a psych exam and a deposition. The Fishers have been in contact with the authorities from day ONE. It was Jason that was willing to make a deal, any deal to keep his mouth shut.

Friday, it was Cassidy. How soon until he throws mamma under the bus? MOO

Stellagant

02-11-2009, 05:04 PM

"Quick" settlement? Jason asked for an extension, tried to get it moved to another county, tried to get it dismissed. When none of that worked out he realized he had a choice, give up Cassidy, or he would have the pysch exam and have to do a deposition. He should be thanking the Fishers for allowing this option. And he did it so quickly!! :laugh:

Facts are facts, whether you want to believe them, or spin them to insult the Fishers. Doesn't change anything.

Yes, it was a quick settlement, in my opinion. Fact is, Jason didn't give up custody of Cassidy, he agreed to share it.

Nancy Cooper's parents didn't settle until after the psych exam and deposition and they ended up with legal custody. I guess they had nothing to hide.

jerzeegirl

02-11-2009, 06:00 PM

Yes, it was a quick settlement, in my opinion. Fact is, Jason didn't give up custody of Cassidy, he agreed to share it.

Nancy Cooper's parents didn't settle until after the psych exam and deposition and they ended up with legal custody. I guess they had nothing to hide.

why did jason agree to share C with anyone stella? You act as if Jason didnt give up anything. He absolutely did and thats a fact. Before last week, Jason had full and sole custody of his daughter. Made all decisions for his daughter. Now this week and till she is eighteen, Jason has given up sole custody of his daughter. Meredith didnt receive visitation rights with her niece, she is sharing custody with Jason now. C will be living with Meredith on a full time basis minus weekends and summer. Look at a calander, that is more than half of the 365 days of the year. Meredith had nothing last week, this week she has more than half. I would think most would agree with me when i say, Jason gave up alot! He wouldnt even let her have unsupervised visits before last week. Now what does she have, a heck of alot more than he does. He is her father, she is the aunt, think about it, if there wasnt something wrong with JY and his need to keep himself from behind bars, Meredith would have zero days with C. If there was the slightest chance that there wasnt something wrong with JY, Meredith would have received visitation weekends and summers with her niece and Jason would have retained physical custody of his daughter. He gave away more than half of what he had last week. And its sad to say, we are talking about a little girl, not a puppy, but anything to keep him free, thats his MO.

Stellagant

02-11-2009, 06:40 PM

why did jason agree to share C with anyone stella? You act as if Jason didnt give up anything. He absolutely did and thats a fact. Before last week, Jason had full and sole custody of his daughter. Made all decisions for his daughter. Now this week and till she is eighteen, Jason has given up sole custody of his daughter. Meredith didnt receive visitation rights with her niece, she is sharing custody with Jason now. C will be living with Meredith on a full time basis minus weekends and summer. Look at a calander, that is more than half of the 365 days of the year. Meredith had nothing last week, this week she has more than half. I would think most would agree with me when i say, Jason gave up alot! He wouldnt even let her have unsupervised visits before last week. Now what does she have, a heck of alot more than he does. He is her father, she is the aunt, think about it, if there wasnt something wrong with JY and his need to keep himself from behind bars, Meredith would have zero days with C. If there was the slightest chance that there wasnt something wrong with JY, Meredith would have received visitation weekends and summers with her niece and Jason would have retained physical custody of his daughter. He gave away more than half of what he had last week. And its sad to say, we are talking about a little girl, not a puppy, but anything to keep him free, thats his MO.

Jason agreed to share custody because his lawyer wanted to preserve his silence, imo. Meredith and Linda, on the other hand, could have refused to settle at that point in order to get his psych exam and deposition on the record. Instead, they rolled over completely. imo, it's because they are hiding something from the court.

Yes, we are talking about a little girl which is why it is so bizarre they settled at the point they did, imo.

Stellagant

02-11-2009, 06:43 PM

Fact IS: SLAYER gave up primary physical custody and half legal custody of Cassidy.

Fact IS: The Fishers have NOTHING to hide.

But keep on slandering them, really, its amusing.
JMO/IMO

Fact IS: Fishers gave up the fight for a psych exam, deposition and the effort to have FULL legal and physical custody.

That's not slander, it is fact that is...... :rolleyes:a matter of public record.

jerzeegirl

02-11-2009, 06:51 PM

Jason agreed to share custody because his lawyer wanted to preserve his silence, imo. Meredith and Linda, on the other hand, could have refused to settle at that point in order to get his psych exam and deposition on the record. Instead, they rolled over completely. imo, it's because they are hiding something from the court.

Yes, we are talking about a little girl which is why it is so bizarre they settled at the point they did, imo.

Fishers gave up NOTHING LOL. You are dreaming stella. Lets see, last week MF had nothing, this week she has physical custody of her niece. You just cant grasp it. Thats a gain not a loss.
Now jason, last week had full custody of his daughter, in which most single widowed fathers have, now this week he has visitation with his daughter on weekends and summers. He has less than last week. Its a loss.

Cant lose something you never had. MF never had any legal custody, now she does. Not a loss. And thats a fact.

I bet this is exactly what they were hoping for. Do you think this is what Jason was hoping for, remember, he wouldnt even allow his daughter to see her aunt and grandma as of last week, unsupervised. Its so ironic.

Tia

02-11-2009, 06:52 PM

Fact IS: Fishers gave up the fight for a psych exam, deposition and the effort to have FULL legal and physical custody.

That's not slander, it is fact that is...... :rolleyes:a matter of public record.

I don't get where you are getting this. The Fisher's gave up nothing. IMO, they know something we don't. Jason will be arrested. Getting the WDS filed and having Jason named Michelle's slayer was first, getting PRIMARY custody was second. If Jason is arrested, Meredith will have full custody.

I really don't see what they "lost" or "gave up".

Cardinal

02-11-2009, 06:52 PM

Fact IS: Fishers gave up the fight for a psych exam, deposition and the effort to have FULL legal and physical custody.

That's not slander, it is fact that is...... :rolleyes:a matter of public record.

Yes, they did. Because IMO they care more about Cassidy's well-being than anything else. Sorry, not only do I NOT find anything negative about them in that, I find it commendable.

jerzeegirl

02-11-2009, 06:55 PM

Cardinal

02-11-2009, 07:04 PM

And when Jason is arrested, Meredith will have full legal and physical custody. It's all good.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/index

They don't appear to have put Ed Crump's interview online yet. I'm giving you the link so that when it's there, you'll have it. You can hear Knudsen say that Jason made the difficult decision to give up Cassidy so he wouldn't have to talk in court. Have you guessed why he wouldn't want to talk and was willing to give primary custody to his former SIL?

I followed your link, and found this article, Wyn:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6653529

"For the record, the Wake prosecutor handling the case says there's still physical and financial evidence that's being evaluated and reports that have not yet been completed."

""He made what was obviously, or would obviously be, an extremely difficult decision to make - to give up custody of your only child to avoid answering questions," Knudsen explained."

Cardinal

02-11-2009, 07:06 PM

Thanks, Cardinal. I don't know if they will put up video of the interview later tonight or not.

I hope so. From the little that was cited in the article, a full interview with Knudsen would be pretty interesting.

ETA: So I wonder what physical and financial evidence is still being evaluated? Especially the financial evidence???

Leanne Weich

02-11-2009, 07:20 PM

Jason agreed to share custody because his lawyer wanted to preserve his silence, imo. Meredith and Linda, on the other hand, could have refused to settle at that point in order to get his psych exam and deposition on the record. Instead, they rolled over completely. imo, it's because they are hiding something from the court.

Yes, we are talking about a little girl which is why it is so bizarre they settled at the point they did, imo.

It was not incumbent on Meredith and Linda to hold out for a psych. exam. They went into the custody suit knowing what they wanted and, like most intelligent people, threw in the towel when they had what they set out to get. I bet they never anticipated getting as much as they did. They never rolled over because they were hiding anything. Hell, if anyone of you here who have such an intense dislike of the Fishers could have found any mud on them, you'd have shared it together with your sources, in a heartbeat.

There is absolutely no way that any reasonable person would not have jumped at the settlement offered to them. Do I wish that this had gone forward to depositions? Sure I do, as I'm sure that LE and the DA were hoping for it. Should Linda and Meredith have refused the settlement and incurred further legal costs just to appease people whose only interest in their daughter/sister's murder is to see JY remain out of jail and to bash the family of a victim. Hell no!!

Cardinal

02-11-2009, 07:32 PM

:laugh: Why don't you tell us how you really feel, Leanne?

ETA: I imagine the DA was indeed hoping for a deposition from Jason. But it seems to me that Linda and Meredith have their priorities straight - Cassidy's well-being. I'm fine with that.

Stellagant

02-11-2009, 07:35 PM

You think they "rolled over"? :laugh:

What do you think they are hiding? Come on, tell us. I don't think you can because you know there's nothing. The Fishers are the ones who filed for custody. If they had any worries, they would have never taken that bold step. I know it, you know, all the other posters/readers here know it. It's okay, we won't think any less of you if you decide to finally admit you're wrong. :wink:

Yes, I think they rolled over because the were hiding something.

I also bet Alan Fisher not only knew, but that it's on the record in an interview.

Rolling over doesn't require any steps at all, btw.

Leanne Weich

02-11-2009, 07:36 PM

:laugh: Why don't you tell us how you really feel, Leanne?

:tonguewag: I'd love to but I don't want to be banned.

Jumped the gun there. I'd have been very disappointed if Meredith and Linda had not accepted this settlement only to fight on in the hopes of tripping JY up in a deposition because then it could have been argued that their motives were to get JY indicted, arrested and convicted and that custody was used as a ploy to do so. See, I'm learning how the JIIs think!!! The Fishers, absolutely, did the right thing.

Cardinal

02-11-2009, 07:38 PM

Yes, I think they rolled over because the were hiding something.

I also bet Alan Fisher not only knew, but that it's on the record in an interview.

Rolling over doesn't require any steps at all, btw.

If you really believe what you just posted, Stellagant, I think your perspective needs adjusting. Ahem, Linda and Meredith didn't "roll over". They have Cassidy back in their lives, on nearly unlimited terms. Their perspective, IMO, is right on target.

Cardinal

02-11-2009, 07:41 PM

:tonguewag: I'd love to but I don't want to be banned.

And I don't want you to be, so I'll leave it alone!! But I agree, Linda and Meredith, and their attorneys, seem to have approached this very rationally and intelligently.

JMO

jerzeegirl

02-11-2009, 07:46 PM

im curious to know if Jason will be there for his daughter every weekend. Wonder if she will be out of sight out of mind. Only time will tell.

Cardinal

02-11-2009, 07:48 PM

im curious to know if Jason will be there for his daughter every weekend. Wonder if she will be out of sight out of mind. Only time will tell.

I wonder the same thing, jerzee, but, honestly, I feel bad for thinking it. I truly hope he will, for Cassidy's sake. And you're right, only time will tell.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

jerzeegirl

02-11-2009, 07:49 PM

I wonder the same thing, jerzee, but, honestly, I feel bad for thinking it. I truly hope he will, for Cassidy's sake. And you're right, only time will tell.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

I hope so too card, good night :)

Jester

02-11-2009, 07:56 PM

You keep telling me my opinion is wrong but the fact is, they did settle BEFORE the Judge ever decided on their request for a psych evaluation. Seems to me (in other words, it's my opinion) they settled for the same reason Jason settled: to keep their own mouths shut.

I'm not victim bashing, I'm expressing my opinion just as you do about Jason.

I've said all along I believe Meredith is involved based on the 911 call and her inconsistent statements to LE mentioned in search warrants. Her quick settlement of the custody claim merely adds to my suspicion she is involved. All of it is public information that has been linked repeatedly.

Your opinion is inconsistent with that of the police.

"Investigators have made little secret of the fact that Jason Young is their main suspect in the murder of his wife Michelle."

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6653529

Jester

02-11-2009, 08:01 PM

Jester

02-11-2009, 08:03 PM

Jester

02-11-2009, 08:05 PM

Fact IS: Fishers gave up the fight for a psych exam, deposition and the effort to have FULL legal and physical custody.

That's not slander, it is fact that is...... :rolleyes:a matter of public record.

Who cares about a psych eval for a guy that is only going to visit with his daughter every other weekend and on occasional holidays? He's no longer the primary caregiver. Had he contested the application, then a psych eval would have verified that he's unfit. It wasn't contested, so it's not necessary.

achristie

02-11-2009, 08:32 PM

Yes, I think they rolled over because the were hiding something.

I also bet Alan Fisher not only knew, but that it's on the record in an interview.

Rolling over doesn't require any steps at all, btw.

Stella, let me get this straight. You are proclaiming that Mr. Fisher knew that his daughter and former wife were hiding something? And he attested to that in a recorded interview? Is that correct? I've read your statement 3 times and am in disbelief. Patiently awaiting your explanation, as I'm sure other astute posters are. I'm all ears.

MOO Aggie

Doorbell

02-11-2009, 08:41 PM

Wyn do you think because we post on here we are whining? About the arrest that bridge is best left alone until it is crossed. I'm sure once he is arrested there will be plenty to talk about. Once the kid is living with MF I do expect JY to get his own place. Maybe he will move into his condo. Oh wait didn't LF take that away from him. Well I guess he will just have to start over. He was able to have a condo when he met MY I bet he will be able to afford another . I haven't read anywhere that his mother gave him the condo so that shows he has incentive. Didn't MF's mother buy her that house she is gonna be keeping the kid in? Maybe with the care of a child MF will develop some incentive.

"The kid" has a name.

kingbuff

02-11-2009, 08:56 PM

Your opinion is inconsistent with that of the police.

"Investigators have made little secret of the fact that Jason Young is their main suspect in the murder of his wife Michelle."

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=6653529

Is Ed Crump now a cop? The guy said that in an editorial comment. I think he's one of rpd's secret agents at ncw. If you're going to quote someone, choose someone with authority. Try this....

"Investigators still have not named a suspect in the murder of Michelle Young." --Kingbuff

Doorbell

02-11-2009, 09:04 PM

You keep telling me my opinion is wrong but the fact is, they did settle BEFORE the Judge ever decided on their request for a psych evaluation. Seems to me (in other words, it's my opinion) they settled for the same reason Jason settled: to keep their own mouths shut.

I'm not victim bashing, I'm expressing my opinion just as you do about Jason.

I've said all along I believe Meredith is involved based on the 911 call and her inconsistent statements to LE mentioned in search warrants. Her quick settlement of the custody claim merely adds to my suspicion she is involved. All of it is public information that has been linked repeatedly.

Stella. They got what they wanted: more time with Cassidy. Primary physical custody of Cassidy. A psych eval of Jason would have been icing on the cake. Answers to some questions would be icing on the cake. But the cake is Cassidy.

As others have said, the Fishers would not have sued for custody if they had anything to hide.

marty

02-11-2009, 09:05 PM

:QUOTE=kingbuff;12770839]Is Ed Crump now a cop? The guy said that in an editorial comment. I think he's one of rpd's secret agents at ncw. If you're going to quote someone, choose someone with authority. Try this....

"Investigators still have not named a suspect in the murder of Michelle Young." --Kingbuff[/QUOTE]

I thought we were not suppose to bring up posters that had be banned :w00t:

5swab5

02-11-2009, 09:26 PM

Is Ed Crump now a cop? The guy said that in an editorial comment. (SNIPPED)

Nope, not a policeman, but it was an excellent piece!

You left out this part...it may still be at least a little longer before an arrest is made in Michelle Young's murder.

Looks like things are lining up. MOO

jerzeegirl

02-11-2009, 09:46 PM

Nope, not a policeman, but it was an excellent piece!

You left out this part...it may still be at least a little longer before an arrest is made in Michelle Young's murder.

Looks like things are lining up. MOO

5swab, your sig says it all

kingbuff

02-11-2009, 10:07 PM

Page 22 of the last search warrant. Let me quote it:

"Upon review of the investigation thus far, and due to his lack of cooperation, Jason Young's participation in his wife's murder cannot be ruled out and he remains the PRIMARY SUSPECT."

I would call that investigators naming a suspect. I would say IMO, but it is right there in print...so it isn't just my opinion.

Oh you're talking about Spivey. Everybody knows his opinion. The judge should make him sign JMO after all his posts. Crump should stick to writing editorials. His gig as a secret agent at NCWanted has spoiled him.

Jester

02-11-2009, 10:12 PM

Stella, let me get this straight. You are proclaiming that Mr. Fisher knew that his daughter and former wife were hiding something? And he attested to that in a recorded interview? Is that correct? I've read your statement 3 times and am in disbelief. Patiently awaiting your explanation, as I'm sure other astute posters are. I'm all ears.

MOO Aggie

Michelle and her father had a strained relationship because Michelle did not get along with his wife. For his daughter and former wife to have had a secret, and not be on good terms, is preposterous.

We're all ears. What was that secret?

Jester

02-11-2009, 10:14 PM

<snipped for emphasis>

Once the kid is living with MF I do expect JY to get his own place. ... Didn't MF's mother buy her that house she is gonna be keeping the kid in? Maybe with the care of a child MF will develop some incentive.

So, is it fair to conclude that you never really cared about Michelle's daughter?

Jester

02-11-2009, 10:19 PM

Is Ed Crump now a cop? The guy said that in an editorial comment. I think he's one of rpd's secret agents at ncw. If you're going to quote someone, choose someone with authority. Try this....

"Investigators still have not named a suspect in the murder of Michelle Young." --Kingbuff
You're right, investigators have not named a suspect, but they have made little secret about who that suspect would be if they felt comfortable naming a suspect.

I stand corrected ... page 22 of last warrant.

I watched a broadcast of Crump's recently, and I thought it was ABC News, not NCWanted.

5swab5

02-11-2009, 10:19 PM

Oh you're talking about Spivey. Everybody knows his opinion. The judge should make him sign JMO after all his posts. Crump should stick to writing editorials. His gig as a secret agent at NCWanted has spoiled him.

Wah, Wah, Wah...Everybody's wrong. That tune's getting a little tired.

Thank Goodness there are so many righteous people out there, that are committed to bringing a vicious double murderer to justice.

I am thrilled every time this case gets air time. You should be ashamed of yourself. Michelle and Rylan deserve their day in court! MOO

Jester

02-11-2009, 10:31 PM

Oh you're talking about Spivey. Everybody knows his opinion. The judge should make him sign JMO after all his posts. Crump should stick to writing editorials. His gig as a secret agent at NCWanted has spoiled him.

Why don't you write about the case? You have an interesting opinion that would no doubt promote belief that Jason is innocent. Why don't you have your editorials published along side those of Crump, and give that balanced perspective?

Jester

02-11-2009, 11:18 PM

Oh you're talking about Spivey. Everybody knows his opinion. The judge should make him sign JMO after all his posts. Crump should stick to writing editorials. His gig as a secret agent at NCWanted has spoiled him.

Honestly, I can't imagine being in your position. You have had complete faith and confidence in a young man, vouching for his character, his integrity, his ethics. As details emerged that there were flaws in that facade, you made excuses. There are exceptions to every rule, and likewise there are exceptions to every excellent character. It was all understandable.

You probably didn't realize, as you made excuses, that eventually you were making excuses for everything from whether some questions need to be answered to whether Cassidy really was better off without Jason (and everything unmentioned in between about leaves and shoe size).

It's good to see that you have agreed that Meredith will provide a safe, sound, stable, stimulating home environment for Cassidy. Parenting classes are a good idea, especially for people that think children can be referred to as "the kid". I agree. As a new parent, even I took parenting classes. The most important point I learned is that when communication becomes adversarial, one should reflect statements; for example, "what I hear you saying is _____". That stuff is useful, particularly as children grow.

Will you ever stop making excuses for Jason, or will you one day concede that maybe that boy who made cookies in your kitchen, played soccer in your street, or walked the halls of your school, was not at all well adjusted? Will you ever acknowledge how truly bizarre it is to be 31 years old and wet your pants at a party? Will you ever believe that Jason may have wanted to also murder his daughter, and that is why Pat accompanies Jason on all travels with Cassidy?

I am asking these questions from the viewpoint of wanting to understand whether a neighbor understands, not as a personal attack. I hope that is apparent.

Stellagant

02-12-2009, 12:04 AM

Who cares about a psych eval for a guy that is only going to visit with his daughter every other weekend and on occasional holidays? He's no longer the primary caregiver. Had he contested the application, then a psych eval would have verified that he's unfit. It wasn't contested, so it's not necessary.

Who cares about a psych eval for a guy who is only going to share legal and physical custody? Gee, how about the grandparent who requested a psych evaluation because she believes the guy is a killer of the child's mother and brother? It is a fact, Linda and Meredith Fisher refused to fight for full custody of the child. They rolled over rather than face scrutiny of their own character, imo.

Stellagant

02-12-2009, 12:09 AM

Oh you're talking about Spivey. Everybody knows his opinion. The judge should make him sign JMO after all his posts. Crump should stick to writing editorials. His gig as a secret agent at NCWanted has spoiled him.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought one of those search warrants indicates the residue left in the medicine dropper was Tylenol and not the prescription drug dispensed by Jason's employer?

Stellagant

02-12-2009, 12:32 AM

I know very good and well how a trust works. I remember the trust that was set up when MY was murdered. I also remember how that trust was handled. Here is a link explaining it.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-347843.html#347843

Thanks for the link. I'm beginning to wonder if this really was true and a deal was made so charges wouldn't be pressed against Meredith. Wouldn't Jason be the one who would decide not to press charges?

Timing is very interesting because it's in the same timeframe LE made their visit to Alan Fisher for a discussion that was apparently wide-ranging. Alan's email to Jason at the hotmail account was 12-13-2006 and now cops are after all communication re: the hotmail account.

Lindsey

02-12-2009, 12:56 AM

A good bit of new info since I last posted here. And I have to say surprising info, IMO.

What next?!

ETA: Why is this in Current Crimes instead of Michelle's forum?

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 01:13 AM

Thanks for the link. I'm beginning to wonder if this really was true and a deal was made so charges wouldn't be pressed against Meredith. Wouldn't Jason be the one who would decide not to press charges?

Timing is very interesting because it's in the same timeframe LE made their visit to Alan Fisher for a discussion that was apparently wide-ranging. Alan's email to Jason at the hotmail account was 12-13-2006 and now cops are after all communication re: the hotmail account.

With the life this rumour took on, had there been even a smidgeon of truth to it, you better believe someone in the media would have picked up on it and we wouldn't have to be relying on unfounded rumours on message boards.

Naturally any interview with anyone related to Michelle, by blood or association would have been wide-ranging. LE were working hard to get a profile of Michelle and her life to enable them to ascertain if any family member (besides her loving husband) or friend who may have committed his heinous, very personal murder. Of course the cops are after all communication re: the hotmail account and, I bet, every other email account he used. Nothing nefarious can be inferred from that. They are and always have been doing an excellent and thorough investigation to ensure the railroad of Jason works. God forbid you spend valuable time trying to railroad someone and it doesn't work. :laugh:

5swab5

02-12-2009, 05:50 AM

Who cares about a psych eval for a guy who is only going to share legal and physical custody? Gee, how about the grandparent who requested a psych evaluation because she believes the guy is a killer of the child's mother and brother? It is a fact, Linda and Meredith Fisher refused to fight for full custody of the child. They rolled over rather than face scrutiny of their own character, imo.

That's just plain silly. No one would instigate a law suit if they had anything to hide. Once again you are wrong.

Meredith will have full custody of Cassidy soon enough. Haven't you heard? Jason the slayer Young is and always has been, LE's PRIMARY suspect. The noose is tightening.

MOO
There is something so sad and ugly about posters that continuously bash crime victims.

achristie

02-12-2009, 08:49 AM

Michelle and her father had a strained relationship because Michelle did not get along with his wife. For his daughter and former wife to have had a secret, and not be on good terms, is preposterous.

We're all ears. What was that secret?

Jester, I believe Stella was inferring that MF and LF had something to hide and that AF attested to that in a recorded statement.

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#486 02-11-2009, 07:35 PM
Stellagant
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 352

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyn
You think they "rolled over"?

What do you think they are hiding? Come on, tell us. I don't think you can because you know there's nothing. The Fishers are the ones who filed for custody. If they had any worries, they would have never taken that bold step. I know it, you know, all the other posters/readers here know it. It's okay, we won't think any less of you if you decide to finally admit you're wrong.

Yes, I think they rolled over because the were hiding something.

I also bet Alan Fisher not only knew, but that it's on the record in an interview.

Rolling over doesn't require any steps at all, btw.

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Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 08:58 AM

Jester, I believe Stella was inferring that MF and LF had something to hide and that AF attested to that in a recorded statement.

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#486 02-11-2009, 07:35 PM
Stellagant
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 352

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyn
You think they "rolled over"?

What do you think they are hiding? Come on, tell us. I don't think you can because you know there's nothing. The Fishers are the ones who filed for custody. If they had any worries, they would have never taken that bold step. I know it, you know, all the other posters/readers here know it. It's okay, we won't think any less of you if you decide to finally admit you're wrong.

Yes, I think they rolled over because the were hiding something.

I also bet Alan Fisher not only knew, but that it's on the record in an interview.

Rolling over doesn't require any steps at all, btw.

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There's one basic thing that posters who think they know it all are forgetting and that is one of the first things an attorney will tell you when you decide to make application for custody of a child is that you'd better be prepared to be totally transparent because there's a better than even chance that any indiscretions in your past are likely to be brought up. There is no way, imo, that Linda and Meredith would have entertained this suit if there was anything to hide because they'd seen first hand how spiteful Jason is.

There was only one person whose past was a factor in this case and he sure rolled over mighty quickly. Wouldn't even wait to see if he would get a COV or dismissal. That speaks volumes.

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 09:05 AM

I don't think there has ever been any dispute that JY was there prime suspect. The problem with that is when after 2 + years wouldn't you think they would look elsewhere. Seems they can't pin this on JY so its IMO time to move on. I can give them the name of a very good suspect but she's friends of the investigating det. so I don't think that would fly .

If you really believe the BS you spout, why don't you phone LE or, better yet, Colin Willoughby and tell them/him to move on and look at Meredith. Maybe then, when they laugh at you, you'll find some other innocent person to try to blame.

LE is not going to look anywhere else - they're going where the evidence leads them and, unfortunately for Jayson, it's right to Mockingbird Lane. 2 years is by no means on the outer limits time wise for a spousal homicide. The fact that after 2 years this is still an active investigation proves LE and the DA are confident that they'll ultimately be able to convict Jason.

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 09:09 AM

I don't think JY rolled over . I think he just got tired of living at his moms and saw a way to at least still see his daughter and still be able to maintain a life. I'm sure he doesn't think MF would hurt CY. If that was going to happen it would have happened a long time ago. CY will be in the care of her Aunt and JY can start trying to build a new life. I personally think its a wonderful arrangement.

OMG, you never fail to astound me. You think this is a wonderful arrangement. I guess Cassidy should feel really loved when she is old enough to understand the ins and outs of this situation. Her dad, according to you, got tired of living with his mother so he handed over almost all control of his ONLY living child to her aunt so he could start building a new life. Wonder which of his late wife's friends he's got lined up this time? You are insinuating that if MF was going to harm CY, she'd have done it a long time ago - you're sick imo.

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 09:24 AM

Well I think 2 years is a long time to still be looking at someones finances. They certainly wouldn't be able to hold down a job with IRS if its taken this long to go over the finances of 2 middle class people. As for them still working on physical evidence that is also a joke. She was murdered in one room and they spent 13 days there. Surely any physical evidence would have been gone over long ago. Somehow they just haven't been able to get JY for this and they don't want any body else. I guess its a pride thing.

I think they're still waiting on computer forensic analysis, amongst other things. I can guarantee anyone working for IRS wouldn't hold down a job as a homicide detective either. The problem is that Jason killed Michelle in their home where both their DNA was abundant. Obviously they don't want anyone else because they don't want an innocent person in prison. Good thing they take pride in their work, imo.

Barbara2

02-12-2009, 09:26 AM

I don't think there has ever been any dispute that JY was there prime suspect. The problem with that is when after 2 + years wouldn't you think they would look elsewhere. Seems they can't pin this on JY so its IMO time to move on. I can give them the name of a very good suspect but she's friends of the investigating det. so I don't think that would fly .

It would be rather foolish to look elsewhere when all of the evidence points to one person. It seems to me that it makes more sense to continue to go in the direction that the evidence leads. Do you suppose they should give up just because it has taken 2+ years?

Did you read the warrant and see that even Michelle's father and step mother believe he is capable of this crime? Do you remember how we were told that he didn't feel that way? Do you think that maybe some other things that you've been told may be inaccurate as well?

achristie

02-12-2009, 09:28 AM

There's one basic thing that posters who think they know it all are forgetting and that is one of the first things an attorney will tell you when you decide to make application for custody of a child is that you'd better be prepared to be totally transparent because there's a better than even chance that any indiscretions in your past are likely to be brought up. There is no way, imo, that Linda and Meredith would have entertained this suit if there was anything to hide because they'd seen first hand how spiteful Jason is.

There was only one person whose past was a factor in this case and he sure rolled over mighty quickly. Wouldn't even wait to see if he would get a COV or dismissal. That speaks volumes.

I completely agree, Leanne. Common sense.

MOO Aggie

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 09:29 AM

Sorry to upset you but do you have a problem with the arrangement?

I'm thrilled with the arrangement for the right reasons, ie. Cassidy deserves to know and experience the love of her maternal family and shouldn't have to live with the heartless person who killed her mother and brother. What upsets me is when someone, ie. you, thinks it's a wonderful arrangement that a father gives his child away so he can start a new life. Millions of single parents successfully start over again without having to give their children away. I shouldn't be surprised at your view on this though as you've done whatever you possibly can to try to malign the Fishers to make Jason look better. Fortunately, most posters/readers here think things through for themselves and don't fall for the misinformation and lies you post.

Barbara2

02-12-2009, 09:35 AM

I,m not a betting person but if I was I would bet they have unidentified DNA in that room. If they charge JY then that information would become available to his attorney. We still don't know who's DNA was on the jewelery box. The warrant says its wasn't JY's so who's was it? Does LE know ? I'm guessing they don't. This air tight case some talk about looks like it has a lot of holes in it but thats just my opinion.

Where did you get that they said it wasn't JY's DNA on the jewelry box? It was consistent with his DNA or someone in his family. They just couldn't say that it could ONLY be his. It could have been his sister's. IMO

ETA: The exact words regarding the DNA profile and Jason Young is that JY "cannot be excluded".

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 09:36 AM

I,m not a betting person but if I was I would bet they have unidentified DNA in that room. If they charge JY then that information would become available to his attorney. We still don't know who's DNA was on the jewelery box. The warrant says its wasn't JY's so who's was it? Does LE know ? I'm guessing they don't. This air tight case some talk about looks like it has a lot of holes in it but thats just my opinion.

I'm not 100% sure but I seem to recall that JY couldn't be ruled out as the donor of the DNA on the jewellery box. I can understand the DA taking as long as he needs to father every possible bit of evidence he can because if he were to get someone like you on a jury, he wouldn't stand a chance in hell of getting a conviction, even if he had a video of Jason murdering Michelle.

Barbara2

02-12-2009, 09:48 AM

Oh not true. If I though for a fact that he killed his wife I would certainly convict. I just haven't seen evidence to that and I have seen evidence to the fact it could be someone else. Its people that can't see but in one direction that you wouldn't want on a jury. Thats why as I write this there are people in prison that are innocent.

There are a whole lot more people in prison who are guilty but swear they are innocent. IMO

Barbara2

02-12-2009, 09:58 AM

Cannot be excluded. That means there was some markers consistent with his DNA. If they had your DNA some of your markers might be consistent with this DNA. Nothing was mentioned about his family and you know it. The DNA on the wall was JY's . They had no problem identifying that . If the DNA on the jewelery box was his they would have had no problem identifying it. It wasn't JY's.

They were only able to obtain a partial DNA profile from the jewelry box. It is stated that way in the warrant. As far as who can be included in that pool of possible candidates, I guess we'll just have to wait for the testimony. The experts will explain it in detail. IMO

Doorbell

02-12-2009, 09:59 AM

I don't think there has ever been any dispute that JY was there prime suspect. The problem with that is when after 2 + years wouldn't you think they would look elsewhere. Seems they can't pin this on JY so its IMO time to move on. I can give them the name of a very good suspect but she's friends of the investigating det. so I don't think that would fly .

Au contraire. It has been argued more than once on this board that Jason is not a suspect because he was not officially named such. Pages and pages telling those who think he did it how defamatory it was to refer to him as a suspect, when LE had not done so.

I'm sorry you missed all that debate. It was mildly interesting.

Doorbell

02-12-2009, 10:04 AM

I don't think JY rolled over . I think he just got tired of living at his moms and saw a way to at least still see his daughter and still be able to maintain a life. I'm sure he doesn't think MF would hurt CY. If that was going to happen it would have happened a long time ago. CY will be in the care of her Aunt and JY can start trying to build a new life. I personally think its a wonderful arrangement.

Are you saying that he has done this for the sake of convenience? Most of us who have found ourselves the single parent in a family have managed to build a life without having our own parents handy to help out. He has been two years (+) with his parents, and yet has not taken any steps to begin a life for himself and Cassidy.

I'm sure there are many single parents out there who would be grateful for a two-year cushion with family, and, by the end of that time, would have a home established for themselves and their children.

IMO

5swab5

02-12-2009, 10:13 AM

5swab5

02-12-2009, 10:20 AM

I don't think JY rolled over . I think he just got tired of living at his moms and saw a way to at least still see his daughter and still be able to maintain a life. I'm sure he doesn't think MF would hurt CY. If that was going to happen it would have happened a long time ago. CY will be in the care of her Aunt and JY can start trying to build a new life. I personally think its a wonderful arrangement.

What loving, caring dad would trade having his daughter with him every single day, for about 50 days a year? A dad that has his own best interest at heart and couldn't care less about his daughter, that's who.

Spin it all you want. Jason traded Cassidy for keeping his mouth shut and hoping for a few more days of freedom. Poor Child, thank goodness for Meredith and Linda! MOO

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 10:27 AM

Millions of mothers have managed a life without a partner but from a man's perspective I think this arrangement gives every body involved a chance to move on. Whether you will admit it or not its harder for a man to be a single parent than it is for a woman. He didn't give his child away he shared custody with his SIL. To say he gave her away sounds like he put her in foster care. I'm sure if MF hadn't filed for custody JY would have gone on living with his mother so he could help care for CY. Now he won't have to . So yes I think its a wonderful arrangement for everyone involved.

There is no doubt it is difficult for any single parent to manage a life without a partner - I believe in equality and don't believe it is any more difficult for a man than a woman. As for how one views the custody arrangement - it is my view that JY gave away almost all his custodial rights to CY. He didn't lose them - he threw in the towel and handed CY to MF. If he had fought for and retained full custody and control of Cassidy, all he had to do was find a job, put her in daycare and find someone he could use as a babysitter, find a home and move on with his life. I don't forsee JY moving from his mother's home any time soon unless she tells him to move on and I'm not sure she'd do that because she sees what happens to family when they don't tow the line and I'm sure she doesn't want to be deprived of seeing her g/daughter.

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 10:39 AM

Amazing that some people will only look for and invent bad things about Meredith. Here is a single woman - never married - never had kids - has to tie herself down to never having non-familial guests in her home, yet she willing volunteered to give her niece a loving and stable home. Yet Jason, who doesn't appear to need to work, has a built in babysitter and someone to cook, clean and do his washing for him, has to rid himself of his child for approx 300 days a year so he can have a life.

I guess a good description of him would be SELFISH, CHEATING, SLAYER.

Tia

02-12-2009, 11:16 AM

IMO, Jason is going to be arrested soon.

Its going to be interesting to see how that is spun.

5swab5

02-12-2009, 11:50 AM

Wonder if LE was in marked, or unmarked cars, when they were in Brevard yesterday? Guess everyone knew why they were there anyway. :smile:

I would DIE of embarrassment.

Maybe the whole family will go on the lam, just to get away from all the snickering. MOO

Tia

02-12-2009, 11:52 AM

I don't think there has ever been any dispute that JY was there prime suspect. The problem with that is when after 2 + years wouldn't you think they would look elsewhere. Seems they can't pin this on JY so its IMO time to move on. I can give them the name of a very good suspect but she's friends of the investigating det. so I don't think that would fly .

So THIS will be the spin once Jason is arrested! Got it!

Jason could have been "friends" with the detective too if he spoke with him, asked about the investigation, attended the various memorials and services, that the detective attended, etc.......

There are other detectives you could talk to if you feel that one particular det. would be biased, why don't you give them a call???

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 11:59 AM

Wonder if LE was in marked, or unmarked cars, when they were in Brevard yesterday? Guess everyone knew why they were there anyway. :smile:

raleigh LE was in brevard yesterday??? could they be getting ready for an arrest?

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 12:13 PM

raleigh LE was in brevard yesterday??? could they be getting ready for an arrest?

Let's hope so jerzeegirl. I wonderif Jason has perhaps gone on another holiday and they were trying to ferret out his whereabouts. Another thought, if it's true they've been talking to his friends, maybe they're trying to find out if he's given any reasons for giving his child away.

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 01:58 PM

LOL but she's already been cleared. Not only that, she's going to be Cassidy's primary physical custodian.

Have a nice day!

its not just that, i recall her saying that LE was at the lady bug memorial to investigate Meredith. Also said that Linda would never prevail in the WDS, Meredith would never even so much as get visition with the custody suit. All her predictions have proved to be wrong so whatever she predicts now.....just dreams.

Leanne Weich

02-12-2009, 03:10 PM

its not just that, i recall her saying that LE was at the lady bug memorial to investigate Meredith. Also said that Linda would never prevail in the WDS, Meredith would never even so much as get visition with the custody suit. All her predictions have proved to be wrong so whatever she predicts now.....just dreams.

Can you believe the lengths people will go to to put a positive spin on everything that confirms most people's suspcions of JY? Hell, I'd have been so angry with myself if I'd spent 2 years fighting and defending him and then he doesn't respond to a WDS and basically gives his child to people who I've declared are his mortal enemies, all because he can't chance opening his mouth for fear of incriminating himself. When I believe in something or someone, I've been known to chew on that bone until it disintegrates but there comes a point when I just throw in the towel and admit defeat. I'm betting that when JY is finally ensconced his prison cell, his same few admirers here will still be saying he's innocent and that the real slayer is bringing up Cassidy.

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 03:29 PM

geez id have no problem admitting that i was wrong in my. Id love to be wrong with this one, id much rather think some stranger came in and bludgeoned her and her son. Would sit much better in my mind than thinking someone she trusted and loved did this to her. But i cant, all roads seem to lead to him. Making an arrest doesnt make a person guilty, committing the crime makes a person guilty. If hes never arrested, he will never have a normal life, a warrant here or there, friends whispering, hard to get a job, questions from his daughter in the near future. Id love to see an email between Jason and Kim dated the last few days. Im sure shes not happy with all this.

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 03:41 PM

Do you have a link to her being cleared? Just because JY may be their primary suspect doesn't mean they don't have others. Last I saw in print about MF LE was trying to figure out if she had driven MY's car the day of the murder. I've never seen were that was established or not. I guess you have so could you point the way to where you saw it? TIA

theres no link to show that mf was cleared because LE has better things to do than appease some people on a msg board. Its called 2+2=4. Most people can figure out who has been cleared, who hasnt. If you need it stated as fact, call LE. call the prosecutor, we dont need to.

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 03:49 PM

Do you have a link to her being cleared? Just because JY may be their primary suspect doesn't mean they don't have others. Last I saw in print about MF LE was trying to figure out if she had driven MY's car the day of the murder. I've never seen were that was established or not. I guess you have so could you point the way to where you saw it? TIA

The last you saw in print about MF was about the car keys???? Where ya been girlfriend. Ok , lemme help ya out, last in print about Meredith, Cassidy's auntie, she now has Primary Physical Custody of Jason Youngs daughter. You can find the info here......

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/02/06/4487955/Feb._6,_2009,_child_custody_consent_order.pdf

jerry50

02-12-2009, 04:18 PM

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 04:24 PM

i just reread the custody pdf. I thought he gets cassidy EVERY weekend, didnt realize its every OTHER weekend. Wow he doesnt get all that much time with her. He has to split holidays and summers with Meredith. Ive seen custody agreements between husbands and wives that were more liberal for the secondary custodian.

He really did trade alot for his freedom this time.

5swab5

02-12-2009, 04:24 PM

Do you have a link to her being cleared? Just because JY may be their primary suspect doesn't mean they don't have others. Last I saw in print about MF LE was trying to figure out if she had driven MY's car the day of the murder. I've never seen were that was established or not. I guess you have so could you point the way to where you saw it? TIA

You really are behind. You should try to keep up.

Just last night there was an exposé done on WTVD, left NO doubt in any thinking person's mind, that they are not only hot on the trail of Jason slayer Young, but that he will eventually be arrested. MOO

P.S. I am sure the transcript is available online.

5swab5

02-12-2009, 04:29 PM

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 04:30 PM

He only gets her about 50 days a year. If he shows up on schedule. IF he can show up, he might be otherwise detained.:biggrin: MOO

we can only hope. Wheres Kat? I truly think she would change her mind about jason now. Shes MIA.

jerry50

02-12-2009, 04:36 PM

Speaking of links. We need one for the fact that LE was in Brevard talking to JY's friends.

I would love a link to all of the defamatory rumors about Linda Fisher that you alluded to, although it will probably come out at the libel trial unless you decide to settle out of court. jmo

Barbara2

02-12-2009, 04:55 PM

Like someone mentioned earlier in the thread...even if he confessed, someone would be screaming "coercion." It won't end, ever. But in the end, I will be happy knowing I backed the right camp. I can sleep at night.

It's interesting because a couple of weeks ago a poster on here tried to make me out to be a liar by posting a website and attributing a post to me that I did not write. But in reading that old board (and had she been paying attention she would have seen it) I had expressed my opinion that I did not think that Jason was involved. This was in the very beginning of the case before much information was known. Since that time with everything that is known I have obviously changed my opinion. I just thought that was an interesting look into my thought process back at the beginning of this case.

alterEgo©

02-12-2009, 05:03 PM

I would love a link to all of the defamatory rumors about Linda Fisher that you alluded to, although it will probably come out at the libel trial unless you decide to settle out of court. jmoWhat libel trial are you referring to?

alterEgo©

02-12-2009, 05:11 PM

The legal analyst on WTVD last night said that this was the MOST thorough investigation that he had ever seen.

It is not LE's fault if all roads lead back to Jason Slayer Young. MOO
Most thorough, huh. He must not get to see a lot of cases then.

alterEgo©

02-12-2009, 05:13 PM

Wonder if LE was in marked, or unmarked cars, when they were in Brevard yesterday? Guess everyone knew why they were there anyway. :smile:Brevard doesn't have their own LE?

Why were they there?

5swab5

02-12-2009, 05:23 PM

Most thorough, huh. He must not get to see a lot of cases then.

Apparently not too many, where the Prime Suspect is willing to trade Primary custody of his only child for continued silence. MOO

jerry50

02-12-2009, 05:57 PM

What libel trial are you referring to?

The one that hopefully Linda and Meredith file on the posters who have villified them over the last two years.

jerzeegirl

02-12-2009, 06:00 PM

Brevard doesn't have their own LE?

Why were they there?

why would brevard LE have anything to do with jason? Unless of course he has committed another crime....in brevard.

5swab5

02-12-2009, 06:22 PM

Wrong. :rolleyes:

http://karlknudsenlaw.com/attorneys/Karl-Knudsen/

"One of only five Lawyers Board Certified in State Criminal Law practicing in Raleigh, North Carolina, Karl Knudsen has tried literally hundreds of cases on both sides of the fence, as a prosecutor and as a defense lawyer, including dozens of murder cases."

Thanks for the link Wyn.

Knudsen certainly made a lot of sense last night.MOO