Sunday Feb 8th

[WillowInFlight]

Not missing at all ever. She was murdered and Casey knew exactly where she was at all times. jmo

Exactly. Casey knew she was "close"

[Dunlurken]

Did you read the link?
"Cindy Anthony writes eulogy for Caylee Anthony, says Caylee 'will be watching over so many other children"

Guess I've lost my mind. I expected to read the eulogy. Not the obit too. JMO.

I really don't give a rats azz what the eulogy says. I would like to see the actual obit though. JMO.

And I have no problem with Cindy saying Caylee will be watching over other children. My dead mother watches over me.

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't care WHAT he told.......for him to go on a public message board to do it was wrong. Period. :mad:

In your opinion that was wrong.

Cindy perpetrating a hoax by lying from the start with stories about Casey taking a break/vacation to the end with the malarky about Caylee on travel is bordering CRIMINAL IMO.

See how different opinions can be stated, but they are still just our opinions? :sneaky:

[Zeus]

You're absolutely right about that dunnie. She was missing.

I don't think so. Her mother knew where she was, therefore she wasn't missing.

I know where my dog is right now so he isn't missing. My mother has no clue as to where my dog is right now-----does that mean he's missing? Didn't think so.

[WillowInFlight]

Guess I've lost my mind. I expected to read the eulogy. Not the obit too. JMO.

I really don't give a rats azz what the eulogy says. I would like to see the actual obit though. JMO.

And I have no problem with Cindy saying Caylee will be watching over other children. My dead mother watches over me.

There was a tiny little obit posted a few days after the remains were found.

[Dunlurken]

Not missing at all ever. She was murdered and Casey knew exactly where she was at all times. jmo

We know that NOW! We didn't until the remains were found. JMO.

[Kathlb]

You may all think that I am a heartless old b@stard after this post but this is how I feel. I will not watch this debacle that Cynthia Anthony has put together to rehabilitate her tarnished image. It will not be about Caylee, it will be about Cindy. *respectful snip*

We both feel the same way eagleeer. This is not about Caylee at all and I just wish that those who want to honor her would see that and not attend what I feel is another sham. I would much prefer to see them up the street where the home made memorial is by her resting place all of those months having a memorial to her sweet visage there. With Cindy it's all about the biggest, the best and the most media coverage while controlling all aspects right down to who can come through the door and who can't. A sacrilege and a sham that that little baby doesn't deserve to have her memory used for.

[Neffy]

*snipped*

Where do you see she says Casey is innocent? :confused:

Geez just as I did Gert's stating the inference of Casey being innocent. You took her post out of context.

[IM4Truth]

I don't care WHAT he told.......for him to go on a public message board to do it was wrong. Period. :mad:

I agree with Moonrider. Rick was speaking the truth. Cindy was out there spinning all the lies. Rick needed to vent and he did. He wasn't backing up any lies & I don't see where he was airing any dirty laundry at all. Casey did all of that.

[WillowInFlight]

I agree with Moonrider. Rick was speaking the truth. Cindy was out there spinning all the lies. Rick needed to vent and he did. He wasn't backing up any lies & I don't see where he was airing any dirty laundry at all. Casey did all of that.

ITA, and I do give Rick credit, he said what he had to say and he was done with it.

[Dunlurken]

We both feel the same way eagleeer. This is not about Caylee at all and I just wish that those who want to honor her would see that and not attend what I feel is another sham. I would much prefer to see them up the street where the home made memorial is by her resting place all of those months having a memorial to her sweet visage there. With Cindy it's all about the biggest, the best and the most media coverage while controlling all aspects right down to who can come through the door and who can't. A sacrilege and a sham that that little baby doesn't deserve to have her memory used for.

And you haven't even seen it yet? Are you the psychic? JMO.

[Neffy]

It doesn't escape me that the pictures Cindy and Casey took of Caylee have had their intended effect on some.

Toys and costumes and other trappings, all caught on film, often don't tell the real story, much as some would like to believe they do.

If they told the real story, Caylee would be three ... reading her books, singing her songs, smiling her great big smile.

Caylee was murdered, most likely by her mother. Most likely in the home of her grandparents. How much clearer can it be that those pictures didn't tell the real story?

Kind of a major contrast that the pic's in court will reveal of the other side of "Casey".

[Mamie]

Thanks for the link. Something did not sit well w/me w/this article. Caylee was NEVER a missing child. She was a child that was murdered by her mother and thrown away like trash.:mad: It seems like the Anthony's are in denial and still going w/Casey's lies that a nanny kidnapped Caylee and then murdered her. The only problem is that Caylee was never kidnapped and therefore never a missing child because she never left her mother's care. Until her mother threw her away like trash.

I don't fault the Anthony's for standing by their daughter and even saying that they support her. They can support her and still feel that she is responsible for Caylee's murder. Their denial is what I can't understand. That denial is totally disrespecting Caylee's memory.


You mean the part about the Foundation? Yeah, it does come off like the word---continue---means to pick up where Caylee's supposed abduction left off. I want to know why donations are being asked for the church. From the looks of the church they seem to do very well for themselves. Or are those donations going to the Anthony's?

[CANDYKISSES]

Yep.

Rick went public to express his outrage and tell the truth, yet he deserves criticism.

Cindy went public to be outrageous and lie, yet she deserves compassion and forgiveness.

Go figure.

It's hard to talk out both sides even when you're typing. :scared:

Rick didn't say anything that wasn't truth as we know it at this time, so I am not going to throw him under the bus myself. JMO tho.

[nc1948]

Lee and both sets of great-grandparents were mentioned. No mention of Rick or the rest of the extended family.

I don't read obits often, but isn't a catch-all phrase such as, "...and the rest of xxx's loving family..." used to cover all family members not specifically named?

I found the eulogy impersonal and cold, but it may not come across like that when delivered. Who is going to do this? The pastor of the church?

Okay, I am a country bumpkin. Definitely not city-fied. But are eulogies usually posted before the service. And will it then be read at the memorial also. I have never seen one.


I have seen obits, but those were always only about the deceased. Listing birthday and date of death, Listing family and time of service with "in lieu of flowers, send donation to)

Is this normal???

[PuffDragon]

what about Georges side of the family? Or what about RICK?? I suppose even during the most tragic times in their life, burnt brodges still arn't worth re-building!!! thats too bad!! Prescious Caylee deserves far better!!!
:sad:

All children deserve better, BT, but, sadly, Caylee's fate is not unique and no matter how much we wish we could do something about that, people are not going to change just because we wish they would. The only reason we're this involved in little Caylee's death is because of G&C's behavior after she disappeared. There was nothing that different about her life. Many abused children have it much worse.

George apparently put a wall between himself and his family, Cindy seemed to keep some communication with hers, but otherwise they must have preferred to keep people at arms' length. I wonder how they were before Casey started dictating the family dynamics, would they have been more social then? And then closed ranks when they realized that Casey was turning into someone they could not take out in public and be proud of?
It would be interesting to know what brought them to this point.

This is slightly O/T but maybe not: there is a book called My Brother's Keeper. It starts at the end with a pair of brothers who were looked on as eccentric hermits and died in their ancient and delapidated house. The story, fictional, takes them from childhood to show how they were moved inexorably to the way they lived and died. I'd love to see the same kind of book about the Anthonys. Not a book about what's happening now, but about what got them here.

[SavannahStar]

Good afternoon! :seeya: I didn't get far into the article before this got me ~

She is survived by her mother, Casey Marie Anthony;


Obviously they still don't believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death.


Does the fact that she caused Caylee's death change the fact that she was her mother? :confused:

Caylee is survived by her mother, Casey Anthony. Is that not a fact? :confused:

[sunstar]

:rolleyes:

She was not missing to Casey. It is bizarre that Casey's family is starting a foundation to find "missing children" when their daughter, Casey, knew where their granddaughter - Caylee - was the entire time she was supposedly "missing".

There's a lot about this that's bizarre to me. MOO

[aubrey04]

Not missing at all ever. She was murdered and Casey knew exactly where she was at all times. jmo

Exactly. Which is why Casey didn't fret when the searchers were out at J Blanchard Park or any other area. She, nor Cindy, was scared when bones were found in the Little Econ River because they knew it was not Caylee.. but when reports came down the pike about bones being found in the woods by the Anthony home - Casey has an anxiety attack.. because she KNEW. She knew it was Caylee and she knew she was toast.

jmo

[newsjunkie]

Okay, Cindy had me until she brought up the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation, which will be used for missing children.. Caylee was never missing - her mother knew where she was the entire time.. and it creeps me out that Casey is even mentioned in that statement.

Casey murdered Caylee - her name should not be in that statement/eulogy..whatever it is.


Anyone beside me notice there are 5 paragraphs in the eulogy about Caylee and 5 paragraphs about money?

[Kathlb]

But it was okay for his sister to appear on national TV, repeatedly, and lie?

I don't get the morals or ethics here. At all.

Picking and choosing what they want to have out there and what they don't. It all deserves to be out there in a murder trial. The jury can then decide when they hear all of the facts and see all of the hoopla. And I don't think that they will have a bit of trouble seeing that she purposefully murdered her baby and threw her away without a second thought.

[SavannahStar]

Not missing at all ever. She was murdered and Casey knew exactly where she was at all times. jmo

She was missing. Her grandparents and others did not know where she was or whap happened to her.

[sunstar]

Does the fact that she caused Caylee's death change the fact that she was her mother? :confused:

Caylee is survived by her mother, Casey Anthony. Is that not a fact? :confused:

Yes she is her mother who is also accused of murdering her. I just think it's inappropriate that she's mentioned in this eulogy.


It's just my opinion and I guess we will continue to disagree on most things when it comes to the family. MOO

[IM4Truth]

Cindy, however, is in many ways responsible for who Casey is. It's fine if you don't choose to connect the dots. I do.

In this situation, I do agree that Cindy has some responsibility for Casey, however, I have known wonderful people who raised their children in loving, caring homes and as young adults, they took a turn for the worst. It happens. However, I think Cindy has some serious problems and I think they had an effect on Casey for most of her life.

[Kathlb]

Anyone beside me notice there are 5 paragraphs in the eulogy about Caylee and 5 paragraphs about money?

I'm surprised there weren't 7 or 8 about money. Cindy's slipping. :angry:

[SavannahStar]

Geez just as I did Gert's stating the inference of Casey being innocent. You took her post out of context.

She didn't say inference, and no it wasn't out of context. Maybe she'll reply. Hope so.

[*MoonRider*]

You mean the part about the Foundation? Yeah, it does come off like the word---continue---means to pick up where Caylee's supposed abduction left off. I want to know why donations are being asked for the church. From the looks of the church they seem to do very well for themselves. Or are those donations going to the Anthony's?

Caylee's life will be honored in a memorial service open to the public Tuesday at the First Baptist Church of Orlando beginning at 10 a.m.

The family is requesting, in lieu of flowers, that donations be made to Eastside Baptist Church, 1900 Conway Gardens Road in Orlando; Orlando Rescue Mission; or Kid Finders Network.

Bold is mine from the obit or whatever you want to call it. :confused:

[PuffDragon]

I don't make much of the bruise, children that age are always falling. I'm just buying that Caylee was a victim of abuse.

I'm with you Willow. One can't make any kind of a judgement on the basis of one bruise, which was, as I recall, explained away anyhow by one of the boyfriends.

[Beach~Tenant]

IMO Rick went on message boards to tell truths. Some of us like that about Rick. :smile:

Its one thing to lash out at her and the family through e-mails, but MG...its another thing to go on a public mb and air out the dirty laundry! I am not defending cindy's actions or how she is dealing with this whole tragedy, its just her way. I TRY not to be too judgemetal ( although its difficult) in this particular case. justice will prevail for caylee EVENTUALLY.....and those involved will be severely punished when their time comes! I respect your oppinion as well as everyone else's, this is just mine :wink:

[newsjunkie]

I'm surprised there weren't 7 or 8 about money. Cindy's slipping. :angry:



LOL :thumbsup:

[Pruddennce]

I don't care WHAT he told.......for him to go on a public message board to do it was wrong. Period. :mad:

thats pretty humorous....a message board as opposed to Cindy and George flying all the way to california to tell Larry King, in front of anyone that tuned in to his show, that the smell was garbage.

a message board is limited and hardly 'the world' *although we tend to think we are the world...lol*. he had every right to talk to the press, or anywhere else, the board. thats HIS right. the MEDIA is what Cindy and George converged upon.

how dare someone close to this family, who knows the truth, speak out?

*rolling eyes*

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[PuffDragon]

Wonder if she will go back to work. JMO

MO, for her own sanity it would be the best thing she could do. She should work somewhere where it's very busy and she could be useful and start rebuilding her self-esteem. Otherwise it's going to be a long haul for her.......

[BANJO GRANNY]

You may all think that I am a heartless old b@stard after this post but this is how I feel. I will not watch this debacle that Cynthia Anthony has put together to rehabilitate her tarnished image. It will not be about Caylee, it will be about Cindy. George will be standing there like the puppet he is with the “Dear in the headlights stare”, saying what the he!! am I doing here? Lee, well what can I say about an aide and abettor. It sickens me that they pick the largest church in Orlando to do this. What they couldn’t book the Superdome? Shameless Cynthia is going to make this about her and deservedly she will leave Casey in the dust.

While Caylee’s remains lie tossed in a cardboard box, this debacle is going to go on and everybody will say what a sad day it is. To he!! with that. Those that really care should stand outside that mortuary Tuesday morning at 10 a.m. and hold a private service with the Reverend Grund officiating. Then and only then can Caylee be laid to rest. After all now they are only bones and to be “Absent from the body is to be present with our Lord.”

May you rest in peace Caylee, you are with your “Real Father” now.
IMOO I don't think you are heartless at all. I agree 100% with you.
This will all be about Cindy and Casey. IMOO Caylee was forgotten about the day her murdering mother killed her and tossed her away like trash.:cursing:
I also like your ideal about Rev. Grund and holding a service outside.
I wonder how much money The A's will be making off of this service, cause IMOO I know that and trying to get people to believe in them and Casey is the only reason they are having this service. I don't for one minute think they are doing it for Caylee IMOO
I have to go have some test run on my kidneys on tues. If someone watches it could you try and keep up with how many times, Cindy's, Casey's and Caylee's names are mentioned, for some reason I feel that Caylee's will be mentioned less than any of them IMOO



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[Dunlurken]

Caylee is survived by her mother, Casey and the rest of them. Let us not forget Casey is presumed innocent until she has been found guilty. JMO.

ETA: Even then Casey will still be alive for a long, long time.

[SavannahStar]

I agree with Moonrider. Rick was speaking the truth. Cindy was out there spinning all the lies. Rick needed to vent and he did. He wasn't backing up any lies & I don't see where he was airing any dirty laundry at all. Casey did all of that.

What if the truth is "dirty laundry"? You think it's still okay for a member of your family to go out in public and say things? It's abhorrent. I think he posted for one purpose only: to get back at Cindy and family for not listening him and agreeing with him.

I have heard no one on here address the purpose of why he did what he did.

Jurors will decide Casey's guilt. Not message board readers. So again, what was his purpose?

[newsjunkie]

I am unimpressed with this whole public memorial thing.

If it is public and a tribute to Caylee, to say goodbye to Caylee and not to console the Anthony's then the Anthonys should set it up with the church THEN STAY AWAY! That would eliminate all the security issues too.
They could have a private funeral for only close friends and family after this.
JMO

[IM4Truth]

MO, for her own sanity it would be the best thing she could do. She should work somewhere where it's very busy and she could be useful and start rebuilding her self-esteem. Otherwise it's going to be a long haul for her.......

Do you think anyone in Orlando would want to hire her?

[Neffy]

She was "missing" until her remains were found. What don't people understand about that? I think I need to go back to bed or something. :scared:

A better adjective to describe Caylee's whereabouts is "hidden" .

Missing denotes lost. This was not a lost child.

[Dunlurken]

Not going to catch you up on the case. You'll have to depend on others for that.Not a problem, didn't ask for your help did I?

JMO.

[PuffDragon]

Hey for Rick to go on public message boards and "air the family's dirty laundry".....I'm not sure I'd ever even speak to him again.

The emails are one thing. I can get past that. NOT going on message boards though. No way.

Sad. Very sad.

I don't know if it would have made much difference in the end, SS. The emails were made public and corroborated what he had said. Didn't he say at the start that he originally went on the MB to try to set the record straight and explain that Cindy was really not a monster but that Casey was the only one that was responsible?
I am cutting him a little slack. I think the family was worried and trying to save Cindy and she just didn't want to be saved and his concern backfired on him.

[SavannahStar]

Not a problem, didn't ask for your help did I?

JMO.


{{{hugs}}} for you dunnie, against the bullies. We don't always agree but geez I hate it when any poster is ridiculed. :mad:

[WillowInFlight]

I don't know if it would have made much difference in the end, SS. The emails were made public and corroborated what he had said. Didn't he say at the start that he originally went on the MB to try to set the record straight and explain that Cindy was really not a monster but that Casey was the only one that was responsible?
I am cutting him a little slack. I think the family was worried and trying to save Cindy and she just didn't want to be saved and his concern backfired on him.

Your are 100 percent correct, Rick's intentions weren't to bash his family but to set the record straight and try and reach out to Cindy.

[*MoonRider*]

Anyone beside me notice there are 5 paragraphs in the eulogy about Caylee and 5 paragraphs about money?

As Casey would say "surprise, surprise."

[Zeus]

What if the truth is "dirty laundry"? You think it's still okay for a member of your family to go out in public and say things? It's abhorrent. I think he posted for one purpose only: to get back at Cindy and family for not listening him and agreeing with him.

I have heard no one on here address the purpose of why he did what he did.

Jurors will decide Casey's guilt. Not message board readers. So again, what was his purpose?

To set the record straight. You know----give the true side vs the lies told by Cindy.

[newsjunkie]

You may all think that I am a heartless old b@stard after this post but this is how I feel. I will not watch this debacle that Cynthia Anthony has put together to rehabilitate her tarnished image. It will not be about Caylee, it will be about Cindy. George will be standing there like the puppet he is with the “Dear in the headlights stare”, saying what the he!! am I doing here? Lee, well what can I say about an aide and abettor. It sickens me that they pick the largest church in Orlando to do this. What they couldn’t book the Superdome? Shameless Cynthia is going to make this about her and deservedly she will leave Casey in the dust.

While Caylee’s remains lie tossed in a cardboard box, this debacle is going to go on and everybody will say what a sad day it is. To he!! with that. Those that really care should stand outside that mortuary Tuesday morning at 10 a.m. and hold a private service with the Reverend Grund officiating. Then and only then can Caylee be laid to rest. After all now they are only bones and to be “Absent from the body is to be present with our Lord.”

May you rest in peace Caylee, you are with your “Real Father” now.


Bless You for inserting some reality here!:thumbup:

[Shotzie]

You may all think that I am a heartless old b@stard after this post but this is how I feel. I will not watch this debacle that Cynthia Anthony has put together to rehabilitate her tarnished image. It will not be about Caylee, it will be about Cindy. George will be standing there like the puppet he is with the “Dear in the headlights stare”, saying what the he!! am I doing here? Lee, well what can I say about an aide and abettor. It sickens me that they pick the largest church in Orlando to do this. What they couldn’t book the Superdome? Shameless Cynthia is going to make this about her and deservedly she will leave Casey in the dust.

While Caylee’s remains lie tossed in a cardboard box, this debacle is going to go on and everybody will say what a sad day it is. To he!! with that. Those that really care should stand outside that mortuary Tuesday morning at 10 a.m. and hold a private service with the Reverend Grund officiating. Then and only then can Caylee be laid to rest. After all now they are only bones and to be “Absent from the body is to be present with our Lord.”

May you rest in peace Caylee, you are with your “Real Father” now.

Great post and I so agree about standing outside with Rev Grund (since he is probably banned)that really cared about Caylee an will not be there for himself..:thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

Your are 100 percent correct, Rick's intentions weren't to bash his family but to set the record straight and try and reach out to Cindy.

Exactly. And Cindy couldn't take anyone talking to the public about Casey except her since she was propagating lies about Casey's demeanor.

[IM4Truth]

I don't know if it would have made much difference in the end, SS. The emails were made public and corroborated what he had said. Didn't he say at the start that he originally went on the MB to try to set the record straight and explain that Cindy was really not a monster but that Casey was the only one that was responsible?
I am cutting him a little slack. I think the family was worried and trying to save Cindy and she just didn't want to be saved and his concern backfired on him.

Very well said, Puff. I just dropped in a bit ago but see it isn't a good time to try to converse. Too many people snipping in too many ways. See ya later, when times are nicer.

[BANJO GRANNY]

You mean the part about the Foundation? Yeah, it does come off like the word---continue---means to pick up where Caylee's supposed abduction left off. I want to know why donations are being asked for the church. From the looks of the church they seem to do very well for themselves. Or are those donations going to the Anthony's?
IMOO The donations will go to them, sometimes at my church we will take up a love offering for someone who is sick, or lost their homes by fire, etc...
But have never took one up or seen or ever heard of one took up at a service for someone.



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[SavannahStar]

I don't know if it would have made much difference in the end, SS. The emails were made public and corroborated what he had said. Didn't he say at the start that he originally went on the MB to try to set the record straight and explain that Cindy was really not a monster but that Casey was the only one that was responsible?
I am cutting him a little slack. I think the family was worried and trying to save Cindy and she just didn't want to be saved and his concern backfired on him.

Puffy, you may be right. I don't recall about that. I just think it was really in poor taste.....I can see how Cindy would be very hurt. So, she wasn't in her right mind about Casey and how she (Cindy) behaved and talked on TV......I still don't get his right or desire to go on a message board with his rants. Just makes me sad, I guess...I always think family is family and you don't humiliate them, no matter what.....especially in public. :sad:

[Neffy]

She didn't say inference, and no it wasn't out of context. Maybe she'll reply. Hope so.

That's what between the lines means AS she posted.

[Mamie]

Okay, Cindy had me until she brought up the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation, which will be used for missing children.. Caylee was never missing - her mother knew where she was the entire time.. and it creeps me out that Casey is even mentioned in that statement.

Casey murdered Caylee - her name should not be in that statement/eulogy..whatever it is.

Yup, that's the part that got me too----the Foundation part about continuing awareness (what they have created that doesn't amount to a hill of beans) to go between answering the phone or opening the mail to actually looking. IMO, they have created an unnecessary stepping stone----a reason to procure donations. JMO

[aubrey04]

Caylee is survived by her mother, Casey and the rest of them. Let us not forget Casey is presumed innocent until she has been found guilty. JMO.

ETA: Even then Casey will still be alive for a long, long time.

Casey is a murderer - a child killer - regardless of whether a jury convicts her or not. Nothing can change what she has done.. absolutely nothing, not even a vote for acquittal by a jury.

It is disgusting to have Casey mentioned in Caylee's eulogy. Casey murdered that child and then went out partying like nothing ever happened. She didn't give Caylee a second thought.. then when LE was finally filled in - Casey did EVERYTHING she possibly could to try and derail LE from finding Caylee. Casey did NOT want that childs body ever found.

She should NOT have been included in that statement - regardless of whether she is the mother of Caylee.. She is also the MURDERER of Caylee and that title trumps the title of being Caylee's "mother".

[Mamie]

IMOO The donations will go to them, sometimes at my church we will take up a love offering for someone who is sick, or lost their homes by fire, etc...
But have never took one up or seen or ever heard of one took up at a service for someone.



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON


And see, BG, in my church we have done the same thing too, but the name of the person was always given. In this so called Eulogy, Cindy requests donations be given to the Church, Kidfinders, or the Rescue. So this is probably as I thought, that the donations to the church would go to the Anthonys. Tsk tsk. JMO

[Beach~Tenant]

All children deserve better, BT, but, sadly, Caylee's fate is not unique and no matter how much we wish we could do something about that, people are not going to change just because we wish they would. The only reason we're this involved in little Caylee's death is because of G&C's behavior after she disappeared. There was nothing that different about her life. Many abused children have it much worse.

George apparently put a wall between himself and his family, Cindy seemed to keep some communication with hers, but otherwise they must have preferred to keep people at arms' length. I wonder how they were before Casey started dictating the family dynamics, would they have been more social then? And then closed ranks when they realized that Casey was turning into someone they could not take out in public and be proud of?
It would be interesting to know what brought them to this point.

This is slightly O/T but maybe not: there is a book called My Brother's Keeper. It starts at the end with a pair of brothers who were looked on as eccentric hermits and died in their ancient and delapidated house. The story, fictional, takes them from childhood to show how they were moved inexorably to the way they lived and died. I'd love to see the same kind of book about the Anthonys. Not a book about what's happening now, but about what got them here.

This is a BRILLIANT post PD...I didn't want to snip any of it!!! I cant even begin to imagine what they must have been like before any of this happened....and to handle this the way they did as a "family" winding up so broken. How will they ever recover and heal??? I enjoyed reading your post!

[aubrey04]

Yup, that's the part that got me too----the Foundation part about continuing awareness (what they have created that doesn't amount to a hill of beans) to go between answering the phone or opening the mail to actually looking. IMO, they have created an unnecessary stepping stone----a reason to procure donations. JMO

Isn't it odd that the people who did the least to find this little girl have started a foundation for missing children? The Anthony's tried to derail LE, the FBI, the public, TES, Lenny's crew and all the volunteer searchers.. They did not want Caylee found anymore than Casey did and did everything that could to make sure Caylee wasn't found... but they start a missing kids foundation? What a joke!

Someone must have clued them in that there is a lot of money to be made in the business of missing children.. probably Dennis and Sherry Milstead of KidFinders..

[Pat]

Cindy, however, is in many ways responsible for who Casey is. It's fine if you don't choose to connect the dots. I do.

With all due respect, I'm really into personal responsibility.

There are many mothers out there who have been raised in families far more dysfunctional than the Anthonys, but they haven't killed one of their children.

Cindy is responsible for her own behavior, but isn't responsible for the choices Casey made. Casey alone is responsible for those.

But that is my opinion and you are certainly entitled to yours.

[SavannahStar]

Casey is a murderer - a child killer - regardless of whether a jury convicts her or not. Nothing can change what she has done.. absolutely nothing, not even a vote for acquittal by a jury.

It is disgusting to have Casey mentioned in Caylee's eulogy. Casey murdered that child and then went out partying like nothing ever happened. She didn't give Caylee a second thought.. then when LE was finally filled in - Casey did EVERYTHING she possibly could to try and derail LE from finding Caylee. Casey did NOT want that childs body ever found.

She should NOT have been included in that statement - regardless of whether she is the mother of Caylee.. She is also the MURDERER of Caylee and that title trumps the title of being Caylee's "mother".

Well aubrey, fact of the matter is simply this: she has not been convicted of murdering Caylee. Period. That's it, end of it. In a nutshell. She is Caylee's mother. She survives Caylee. Period.

I don't care if 99.9999999999999999999% of the world believes she murdered Caylee. She still gave birth to her: she is her mother.

Period.

So do you expect that Cindy should not state that?

It's just yet another thing to bash Cindy for. IMO. :rolleyes:

[Regina.Lampert]

Yep, there it is. You nailed it, RL. The letter has the feel in some places of the same old-same-old from Cindy -- separating herself from the unwashed masses -- making sure to point out that it's all about her and hers.

I also think there should've been more about Caylee, about her habits, her smile, her giggle, what she loved, specifics about her. This whole ordeal has felt so impersonal to me with regard to who little Caylee was.

Is "captivating" really the best any of these people can come up with to describe who that darling little girl was?

I agree SayWhat. I think that many of us on this forum could write a move moving and dignified eulogy for Caylee. Perhaps we should start a thread on Tuesday, for all of us to place our thoughts of this wonderful little child, taken so violently and so prematurely?

[Neffy]

Okay, I am a country bumpkin. Definitely not city-fied. But are eulogies usually posted before the service. And will it then be read at the memorial also. I have never seen one.


I have seen obits, but those were always only about the deceased. Listing birthday and date of death, Listing family and time of service with "in lieu of flowers, send donation to)

Is this normal???

Not normal at all. I would have never suspected it being a eulogy as it's more inline with a sneak peak regarding coming events in the entertainment guide. :shrug:

[VII]

Cindy, however, is in many ways responsible for who Casey is. It's fine if you don't choose to connect the dots. I do.


hmmmm
so I suppose we should gather up all of the parents of all of the inmates, whether county, state, military, federal, etc...
and throw THEM in the slammer for raising such horrible people.
THAT'D fix the problem ....

You can only DO the very best you can DO with your children.
It's much like the flip of a coin.
You can raise your children in the way they should go ...
take them to Church, participate and be an involved parent in school activities, encourage them to have good friends, etc...
When your child reaches the age of majority....
the choices become theirs and theirs alone.
omo
I get a little weary of the "blame the parents" mentality..
just sayin'

[PuffDragon]

Cindy will live without Caylee for the rest of her life.

However, I don't for a minute think Cindy will live with the knowledge of Casey's guilt, nor her own culpability for what happened to Caylee. That's not how the Anthony women operate. Nothing is ever their fault or responsibility.

Mistakes were made. Others will be blamed.

Both Casey and Cindy will spend the rest of their lives putting fresh coats of polish on their own stories about how they lack any responsibility for the horrible end Caylee came to.

I'm sure of it.

*Color mine

I like the way you put that.

[SavannahStar]

With all due respect, I'm really into personal responsibility.

There are many mothers out there who have been raised in families far more dysfunctional than the Anthonys, but they haven't killed one of their children.

Cindy is responsible for her own behavior, but isn't responsible for the choices Casey made. Casey alone is responsible for those.

But that is my opinion and you are certainly entitled to yours.

ITA, Pat. And also conversely there have been many kids raised in the BEST of families who have turned out horribly.

Casey is indeed responsible ALONE for this murder.

IMO.

[sunstar]

A better adjective to describe Caylee's whereabouts is "hidden" .

Missing denotes lost. This was not a lost child.

You're right. And even before Caylee's remains were found, LE determined that she'd been murdered and filed charges against Casey. MOO

[SavannahStar]

People need a reason to lie, at least usually. Habitual liars like Cindy do it for fun. Rick's purpose was to tell the truth. I know it's difficult to understand after observing all the mistruths in this case but some people just tell it like it is. :smile:


I think maybe you misunderstood my question. Let me make it clearer: what was the purpose to going on a PUBLIC message board with his "truth" (which we don't know is the truth, BTW)?

Couldn't he not have gone to LE about his "truth"? Why the internet?

[*MoonRider*]

Isn't it odd that the people who did the least to find this little girl have started a foundation for missing children? The Anthony's tried to derail LE, the FBI, the public, TES, Lenny's crew and all the volunteer searchers.. They did not want Caylee found anymore than Casey did and did everything that could to make sure Caylee wasn't found... but they start a missing kids foundation? What a joke!

Someone must have clued them in that there is a lot of money to be made in the business of missing children.. probably Dennis and Sherry Milstead of KidFinders..

I totally agree with you. This is precisely why NeJame walked away and teamed up with TES. I hope Belich does more digging into that KidFinder foundation and puts them out of business for good. IMO the Milsteads saw $$$ signs when this story broke and swooped in on George & Cindy who were vulnerable and desperate at the time.

[Neffy]

You're right. And even before Caylee's remains were found, LE determined that she'd been murdered and filed charges against Casey. MOO

Correct. It was already determined that they were looking for hidden remains not a missing child.

[PuffDragon]

mere moments in time SS.

that was not her life.

where was Caylee ALL DAY LONG while her mother claimed she was going to work?

where did she spend her days?

we already know that she spent many a nite on a couch in a BF or friend's apartment when Casey couldnt swing another babysitting gig with Cindy....

we know she slept in the same bed with Casey and her latest flavor of the week boyfriend.

pictures do not tell the entire story.

I call that her weekend pleasantries. it wasnt her daily life.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Still, she looked happy Pru. Children adjust, and she was probably getting a lot of attention from all the people that were wherever Casey was taking her. I think if she hadn't been so important to Cindy and George we wouldn't have heard that terrible panic in Cindy's voice on that last phone call. We don't know what was happening in her whole life, I am convinced that she didn't become a big problem to Casey until she started talking enough to tell Gramma what was going on during the day, and that was probably only the last few months. Before that, probably a decent life. Had it not stopped abruptly, who knows how bad it could have become.

[Mamie]

Caylee's life will be honored in a memorial service open to the public Tuesday at the First Baptist Church of Orlando beginning at 10 a.m.

The family is requesting, in lieu of flowers, that donations be made to Eastside Baptist Church, 1900 Conway Gardens Road in Orlando; Orlando Rescue Mission; or Kid Finders Network.

Bold is mine from the obit or whatever you want to call it. :confused:



OOOOOOHHHH, boy I missed that one. Thanks for pointing that out that they are two different Baptist churches. Okay, so your take on this----the church that was mentioned to donate to, do you think those donations are going to the Anthonys or will they stay with the church? I take it the Anthonys are members of that church but it probably wasn't big enough for this public memorial on Tuesday.

[Neffy]

I think maybe you misunderstood my question. Let me make it clearer: what was the purpose to going on a PUBLIC message board with his "truth" (which we don't know is the truth, BTW)?

Couldn't he not have gone to LE about his "truth"? Why the internet?

This is explained where he posted and in the emails to Cindy in his own words. Why do you keep asking? It's all there and from the person it counts most from..Rick.

[Cury-us Coyote]

You're absolutely right about that dunnie. She was missing.

Are you suggesting a desire-motived definition of "missing" - ie. the links thread is "missing" for some posters and Caylee was "missing" for some family/friends? TIA

[PuffDragon]

Cindy's new job is in her eulogy.

"Because of this outpouring of compassion, the family will continue to honor Caylee's memory by establishing the Caylee Marie Anthony Foundation. The foundation's purpose will be to continue to generate awareness for missing children and to establish programs to assist in the well-being of those children in need of comfort and support during difficult and stressful times."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/orl-cayleeobit0809feb08,0,7648048.story

I'm thinking she may end up not finding the open-arm welcome she believes is out there for her.

[SavannahStar]

This is explained where he posted and in the emails to Cindy in his own words. Why do you keep asking? It's all there and from the person it counts most from..Rick.

If it is there I don't recall it. Nor would I ever ever agree with it. Because I cannot condone ever going on a public message board talking dirt about your family. No matter what.

No matter what.

PERIOD.

No matter what.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm thinking she may end up not finding the open-arm welcome she believes is out there for her.

I disagree, I think we are all in for a shock. IMO

[sunstar]

Correct. It was already determined that they were looking for hidden remains not a missing child.

I just thought after reading the posts about family, what makes this case somewhat unique is most of the time when a child is murdered by a parent, there's usually another family involved who lost their grandchild ~ like when Laci & Conner were killed, like when Rachel & Lilly Entwistle were killed, and so forth. With Caylee's death there's only the family of her mother, who also happens to be the one accused of her death. How sad that Caylee never had that "other" side of the family, her father's side, to be there for her now, and against Casey. :sad: MOO

[nothingnew]

I don't think there's a drug that rhymes with babysitter.....imo

Had to jump in with "one hitter".

[SavannahStar]

Are you suggesting a desire-motived definition of "missing" - ie. the links thread is "missing" for some posters and Caylee was "missing" for some family/friends? TIA

:confused:

Not sure I understand your post.

But yeh, Caylee was missing to family and friends.

[eagleeer]

hmmmm
so I suppose we should gather up all of the parents of all of the inmates, whether county, state, military, federal, etc...
and throw THEM in the slammer for raising such horrible people.
THAT'D fix the problem ....

(snipped)
omo
I get a little weary of the "blame the parents" mentality..
just sayin'

You are right in part, but too many parents today live in a bubble and want to be friends with their kids instead of being mentors. Most parents today and especially single ones do not participate with their kids during their formative years and hence we have Casey Anthony. Conflicted, confused and a sociopath. Her fault? Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of that woman? I say enabling was the problem for that brat and George and Cindy are solely responsible. Where were they when she needed them most? Doing their own thing and not paying attention is the answer.

[Neffy]

Are you suggesting a desire-motived definition of "missing" - ie. the links thread is "missing" for some posters and Caylee was "missing" for some family/friends? TIA

:laugh::laugh:

[Dunlurken]

Perhaps nursing isn't a good choice. Unless she's behind the scenes ... entirely.

I'd flip the heck out if I ever encountered that woman in any setting that involved care of my own health concerns, or those of anyone I know.

Wonder if Cindy can file a defamation suit against Casey like ZFG? :lol:

[WillowInFlight]

You are right in part, but too many parents today live in a bubble and want to be friends with their kids instead of being mentors. Most parents today and especially single ones do not participate with their kids during their formative years and hence we have Casey Anthony. Conflicted, confused and a sociopath. Her fault? Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of that woman? I say enabling was the problem for that brat and George and Cindy are solely responsible. Where were they when she needed them most? Doing their own thing and not paying attention is the answer.

I think you nailed it.

[sunstar]

I'm Back.............


I just read the eulogy Cindy wrote. I wonder if Casey wrote one and i wonder if they real read it at the memorial.

Hi! :) That's an interesting question!

[Pat]

This is explained where he posted and in the emails to Cindy in his own words. Why do you keep asking? It's all there and from the person it counts most from..Rick.

Frankly, I don't see the big "crime" here about Rick posting on a message board. Family should stick together? Isn't that what has gotten Cindy, George and Lee in so much hot water with the public and LE?

Rick has as much right to publish his thoughts on a message board as we do. The fact that some disapprove doesn't mean much. I figure there are a lot of OUR family members who disapprove of us posting our opinions about people we don't know and will never know. Does it stop us? :lol:

All my opinion, too. :biggrin:

[Neffy]

Perhaps nursing isn't a good choice. Unless she's behind the scenes ... entirely.

I'd flip the heck out if I ever encountered that woman in any setting that involved care of my own health concerns, or those of anyone I know.

OMG I'd be running out the door before it had a chance to close from me entering the place where she'd be encountered.

[nc1948]

Imo, the reason for the, er, publication in the Sentinel is because Cindy and her minions are convinced the public wants to hear from her.

She's a celebrity, after all. We're hanging on her every word, don't ya know. :rolleyes:

She does have an elevated sense of self worth.

[*MoonRider*]

OOOOOOHHHH, boy I missed that one. Thanks for pointing that out that they are two different Baptist churches. Okay, so your take on this----the church that was mentioned to donate to, do you think those donations are going to the Anthonys or will they stay with the church? I take it the Anthonys are members of that church but it probably wasn't big enough for this public memorial on Tuesday.

I think you are right that their normal church is too small. I might add that according to interviews with LE Cindy said they did not attend church. It's nice to know that they found the Lord. jmo

[sunstar]

Perhaps nursing isn't a good choice. Unless she's behind the scenes ... entirely.

I'd flip the heck out if I ever encountered that woman in any setting that involved care of my own health concerns, or those of anyone I know.

I thought that's kind of what she was doing last summer before taking her LOA, and not involved directly in patient care. :shrug: MOO

[happygert]

Caylee's life may have been short-lived on this earth, but her life will not have ended without a purpose....

What was the purpose? So her mom could party, get tattoo'd, sleep around, without the "snot head " as she was referred to by her so called mom...

I don't see the "purpose" as cindy calls it... did cindy write this or did casey..using some word as casey used about Caylee captivating everyone hearts.. Yes she sure captivated our hearts too bad she didn't captive her own mom's and her grandparents heart.. as I see it ..if she had they would have PROTECTED CAYLEE....jmo...

[nc1948]

Not normal at all. I would have never suspected it being a eulogy as it's more inline with a sneak peak regarding coming events in the entertainment guide. :shrug:

A commercial for a coming attraction. The circus will be in town get your tickets early.

[cassidy]

I disagree, I think we are all in for a shock. IMO

That thought has been running through my mind too Willow. Tuesday could be real interesting.

[Pruddennce]

Still, she looked happy Pru. Children adjust, and she was probably getting a lot of attention from all the people that were wherever Casey was taking her. I think if she hadn't been so important to Cindy and George we wouldn't have heard that terrible panic in Cindy's voice on that last phone call. We don't know what was happening in her whole life, I am convinced that she didn't become a big problem to Casey until she started talking enough to tell Gramma what was going on during the day, and that was probably only the last few months. Before that, probably a decent life. Had it not stopped abruptly, who knows how bad it could have become.

Puff, a very nice post. I want to believe she was enjoying a little toddler's life, being at playgrounds with other children. but right now, no one knows, not even her GP's what Casey was doing with her every day for almost 2 years of not being employed.

hours on end driving around, then having lunch perhaps? where was she all day long?

old friends havent said anything other than up to the point she had a job.....new friends were not quite in tune with her comings and goings with Caylee.....they had jobs and going to work....and it seemed from the timeline things were beginning to unravel for casey the end of May......more outtings, more lies to the parents. and you are right, a vocal Caylee.....

so...right now its a mystery.

no doubt her home was filled with things that a child would enjoy...ALOT! :) but its the daily life of a toddler Im curious about.

what was she doing all day with her? almost 2 years is a long time to keep a ruse going....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[nc1948]

IIRC, Eastside is the church the A's normally attend. The First Baptist Church is where the production is being held in order to accommodate 5,000 of the unwashed masses who are desperate to attend Cindy's event in defense of her daughter. Er, I mean, Caylee's memorial.

But only the pure of heart.

[Dunlurken]

I didn't ridicule her, Savannah. Don't make accusations you can't back up.

As is the norm for her, she questioned well-known facts in this case in response to a post I made. My reply was that I am not going to catch her up with the case. That is not "ridicule."
I didn't ask you to. That's the point, which many here so conveniently forget. JMO.

Later peeps!

[SavannahStar]

Perhaps that's how he expresses his grief. His shock. His denial.

He lost a family member, too.

If Cindy can be given a pass for lying through her teeth, presumably as a result of her grief/shock/denial, then I fail to see why Rick is the bad guy by expressing his emotions through truth telling.

Again ... why is Cindy deserving of compassion regardless of what she says or does, but Rick is not?


Expressing grief and shock and denial on a public message board, by talking trash about his family? You're kidding, right? :laugh:

I think Cindy is deserving of compassion because she has lost a beloved granddaughter, and yes, has lost a daughter as well.

Rick has no compassion from me because he chose to go in public bashing his family, instead of going straight to LE and LE alone, with what he knew.

[CANDYKISSES]

I think maybe you misunderstood my question. Let me make it clearer: what was the purpose to going on a PUBLIC message board with his "truth" (which we don't know is the truth, BTW)?

Couldn't he not have gone to LE about his "truth"? Why the internet?

I stated this earlier, Rick was looking the CASE up because of what he was HEARING OUT THERE....:unsure:

He then found himself asking questions as well as educating a few people who had questioned his identity. LE was operating with lies from Casey and lies from Cindy, (remember they both claim to be alike) and clearly much was gleaned from many different resources when you take a gander at the interviews.

When a case is based on one lie after another, people who can bring clarity to the past are often helpful to LE, and it just so happened Rick googled first to see WHAT WAS BEING SAID ON THE WEB IMO.

I'm sure he was sickened for his mother and humiliated for his wife who was quite shocked as this all unraveled from what I read. JMO tho.

[SavannahStar]

I didn't ridicule her, Savannah. Don't make accusations you can't back up.

As is the norm for her, she questioned well-known facts in this case in response to a post I made. My reply was that I am not going to catch her up with the case. That is not "ridicule."

Yeh it is. Because the same things are posted over and over to dunnie. Easy to see when a poster is particularly targeted. Been there myself.

Occasionally I see a post to dunnie answering her questions with a specific link. That's kind. Kudos to those posters. If you can't help her out, just don't respond.

[Dunlurken]

Expressing grief and shock and denial on a public message board, by talking trash about his family? You're kidding, right? :laugh:

I think Cindy is deserving of compassion because she has lost a beloved granddaughter, and yes, has lost a daughter as well.

Rick has no compassion from me because he chose to go in public bashing his family, instead of going straight to LE and LE alone, with what he knew.I thought he was on TV or something. A message board poster. Okay, I get it! If he did go on TV (well, I don't dare ask for a link.) will do my own research. :sad:

JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

She does have an elevated sense of self worth.


I think that might be in that list of narcissistic traits that's been posted here time and time again. I guess it comes with the territory. JMO tho. :sad:

[Mamie]

:confused:

Not sure I understand your post.

But yeh, Caylee was missing to family and friends.


She wasn't missing to Casey, her mother. Casey knew exactly where Caylee was. JMO

[aubrey04]

Well aubrey, fact of the matter is simply this: she has not been convicted of murdering Caylee. Period. That's it, end of it. In a nutshell. She is Caylee's mother. She survives Caylee. Period.

I don't care if 99.9999999999999999999% of the world believes she murdered Caylee. She still gave birth to her: she is her mother.

Period.

So do you expect that Cindy should not state that?

It's just yet another thing to bash Cindy for. IMO. :rolleyes:


:rolleyes:

She murdered Caylee.. She snuffed the life out of her tiny body and then threw her away like trash. I can not believe anyone would think having her name on any eulogy is appropriate. It is disgusting.. Period.

End of discussion. Her name should NOT have been included in that statement and since it was - people are rightfully infuriated.

[Pruddennce]

You are right in part, but too many parents today live in a bubble and want to be friends with their kids instead of being mentors. Most parents today and especially single ones do not participate with their kids during their formative years and hence we have Casey Anthony. Conflicted, confused and a sociopath. Her fault? Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of that woman? I say enabling was the problem for that brat and George and Cindy are solely responsible. Where were they when she needed them most? Doing their own thing and not paying attention is the answer.

however, they were quite 'aware' of Casey's nefarious activity. and their course of action was no action. her 'uttering forged checks' was not a new activity, solely connected to this case. It happened some time before with several family members, and a friend, Ryan P, AND including Cindy, prior to this event.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

:rolleyes:

She murdered Caylee.. She snuffed the life out of her tiny body and then threw her away like trash. I can not believe anyone would think having her name on any eulogy is appropriate. It is disgusting.. Period.

End of discussion. Her name should NOT have been included in that statement and since it was - people are rightfully infuriated.

Which leads me to believe that Tuesday may be all about Casey, I have know doubt we will see plenty of pictures of Caylee with her loving, doting mom. :angry:

[cassidy]

Still, she looked happy Pru. Children adjust, and she was probably getting a lot of attention from all the people that were wherever Casey was taking her. I think if she hadn't been so important to Cindy and George we wouldn't have heard that terrible panic in Cindy's voice on that last phone call. We don't know what was happening in her whole life, I am convinced that she didn't become a big problem to Casey until she started talking enough to tell Gramma what was going on during the day, and that was probably only the last few months. Before that, probably a decent life. Had it not stopped abruptly, who knows how bad it could have become.

I agree Puff. I don't know what the big deal is with the pictures. If you go through mine you will see much the same of my granddaughter (she lives with us too). Pics in silly sunglasses, in the pool, with an easter basket and so on. People tend to grab the camera when kids are doing those things. And the Anthony's had LOTS of pictures, meaning to me that they were always looking at Caylee. I think she was very much loved by her grandparents and possibly a wee bit spoiled too, but that is the right of grandparents. My problem with them comes into play AFTER they discovered she was missing (and probably knowing she was already dead). They didn't and have not shown much respect or attention to her then (IMO). I've said it before, I believe they loved Caylee with all their hearts, in life. In death they deserted her. And I believe that is the difference in them and most other people out there.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

:rolleyes:

She murdered Caylee.. She snuffed the life out of her tiny body and then threw her away like trash. I can not believe anyone would think having her name on any eulogy is appropriate. It is disgusting.. Period.

End of discussion. Her name should NOT have been included in that statement and since it was - people are rightfully infuriated.

She's her mother, period.

It is normal, in all obituraries, to name the mother.

Something more to bash Cindy about, though, right?

Bottom line is she has NOT been convicted of the murder.

What about that do you not understand?

[VII]

You are right in part, but too many parents today live in a bubble and want to be friends with their kids instead of being mentors. Most parents today and especially single ones do not participate with their kids during their formative years and hence we have Casey Anthony. Conflicted, confused and a sociopath. Her fault? Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of that woman? I say enabling was the problem for that brat and George and Cindy are solely responsible. Where were they when she needed them most? Doing their own thing and not paying attention is the answer.

Point taken BUTT
it doesn't account for children raised in disgustingly neglectful/abusive, substance abuse/sexual abuse infected families growing up to be contributing citizens of society.

I agree that G and C's responses to Casey's behaviors are not "what I would do" ...
howEVerrr, I think that Casey was a friggin' nightmare of a child and she learned to control her parents with her anger. I don't and haven't seen evidence that she was not supported by her parents during her early development and ensuing formative years.
For now, I think they loved her very much and did the best they could, under the circumstances.
Parents of today are forced to work, leave their children in child care facilitites and DON'T have the time to attend to them as sayyyy,
back in the 40's 50's and 60's ....

For those who have never had a nightmare child ...
count your many blessings.
Trying to get help for your child ain't an easy task.
You can do the best you can do to address the problem ...
the supports that are needed in situations like these just aren't there.
THEN, try to do something for your grandchild when you see things going awry ...
Grandparent rights need MUCH more work and it needs to be easier for them to take custody...
I recall seeing statements by Cindy's coworkers what her limitations were....

and had been a matter of money ONLY
the row would STILL have been tuff to hoe.

omo

[WillowInFlight]

Yep, ITA. Takes me back to the LKL interview (the day before Caylee's remains were found).

You would think the last words out of her mouth would be something like, "Please, whoever has my granddaughter, please, we will do anything to get her back."

But no.... she had to get a jab in at Nancy Grace. Paraphrasing here... After Caylee is found, no one is going to watch Nancy Grace, said with a childish, vengeful smirk.

Yep, and all George could say was that he hoped she was safe with a loving family. WTH, I thought whoever had Caylee was being watched?:rolleyes:

[nc1948]

however, they were quite 'aware' of Casey's nefarious activity. and their course of action was no action. her 'uttering forged checks' was not a new activity, solely connected to this case. It happened some time before with several family members, and a friend, Ryan P, AND including Cindy, prior to this event.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


Can't help but wonder if Cindy had let others file charges against her instead of covering and paying them off would Caylee still be with us.

[eagleeer]

however, they were quite 'aware' of Casey's nefarious activity. and their course of action was no action. her 'uttering forged checks' was not a new activity, solely connected to this case. It happened some time before with several family members, and a friend, Ryan P, AND including Cindy, prior to this event.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Consequences my dear Pru, Casey never had any until now.

[Neffy]

I thought he was on TV or something. A message board poster. Okay, I get it! If he did go on TV (well, I don't dare ask for a link.) will do my own research. :sad:

JMO.

Savannah will be happy to help you. At least that's her inference. :) She's been talking about Rick's posting but hasn't given any details of the trashing so she must have them available or relay more of it's contents.

I read them and his emails and I didn't see any trashing. I saw a guy extremely angry at someone covering and lying and expressed what he thought of someone that would evade the facts.

Trashing is making something up about someone or relay some kind of dirty little secret that had nothing to do with this case just to make trouble.

Rick wants Caylee's murderer brought to justice.

[Tracian]

Yep, ITA. Takes me back to the LKL interview (the day before Caylee's remains were found).

You would think the last words out of her mouth would be something like, "Please, whoever has my granddaughter, please, we will do anything to get her back."

But no.... she had to get a jab in at Nancy Grace. Paraphrasing here... After Caylee is found, no one is going to watch Nancy Grace, said with a childish, vengeful smirk.



To my knowledge, not Cindy, George or Lee have ever made a public plea to return Caylee...

IMO, it was because they knew the moment they smelled that car....Cindy didn't even want to call the police until she gave Casey a chance to 'explain' and had to be forced to leave work the day the car was found.

Something is completely wrong with this family, it runs very deep into the core of each and every one of them.

[cassidy]

Consequences my dear Pru, Casey never had any until now.

Exactly and neither she nor Cindy seem to think there should be any now. That's sad.

JMO

[nc1948]

Yep, and all George could say was that he hoped she was safe with a loving family. WTH, I thought whoever had Caylee was being watched?:rolleyes:


and these were the same kidnappers that caused Casey to party, shop and rent movies because they were so threatening to her and her family.

[steffaroob4]

Everytime I see that eulogy I think of BOTH CA & casey's myspace postings they made. What part of any of this is about Caylee? Where is the talk of her love of dogs and her affection for a favorite toy? Where are the stories of her first words, first steps, first laugh?

IMO, a bunch of ME, ME, ME people.

Will some read casey's myspace poem at the memorial?

[nothingnew]

I think maybe you misunderstood my question. Let me make it clearer: what was the purpose to going on a PUBLIC message board with his "truth" (which we don't know is the truth, BTW)?

Couldn't he not have gone to LE about his "truth"? Why the internet?

At the time, to me anyway, it seemed like he was standing up for his family and the family name. I don't think that's a bad thing, as a matter of fact when casey gets to prison she will learn even MORE about this family name pride phenomenon. When the video of Caylee with her great grandpa came out and no one had heard anything from cindy's family there were a lot of questions and implications surrounding the family, right here and on other message boards ON THE INTERNET. Like who the heck are these people (this after cindys' persona was displayed in all its' horror), what do the grandparents know, how can they cover for that psycho they raised etc.
IMO Rick came out with everything to let people know this is NOT how my family IS-this is cindy and she is nuts. Plus he wanted answers about what happened to his little neice. All just my opinion but I do remember all of the talk about "where do these people come from? How can they be so gross" i Think Rick was defending the family name. I'd defend my family name, just like all of the Fernandez's and Gonzales' I know would defend theirs. YKWIM?

[Texas48]

IMO it will never go that way I will have to go with you Willow on this one. jmo

[Beach~Tenant]

hmmmmmm...I tried to grab the "cheers" icon but when I clicked the "more" link, it said I was banned:confused: weird!! ayway...thanks for taking the time and effort in finding that link!! :wink:

[cassidy]

Yep, and all George could say was that he hoped she was safe with a loving family. WTH, I thought whoever had Caylee was being watched?:rolleyes:

That statement really blew me away! These "kidnappers" were the very people threatening Caylee and his family.

[SavannahStar]

Savannah will be happy to help you. At least that's her inference. :) She's been talking about Rick's posting but hasn't given any details of the trashing so she must have them available or relay more of it's contents.

I read them and his emails and I didn't see any trashing. I saw a guy extremely angry at someone covering and lying and expressed what he thought of someone that would evade the facts.

Trashing is making something up about someone or relay some kind of dirty little secret that had nothing to do with this case just to make trouble.

Rick wants Caylee's murderer brought to justice.

I disagree with your definition of trashing.

If Rick wanted Caylee's murderer brought to justice he could have brought all his information to LE.

What was the purpose of putting it on a public message board? Got an answer to that? Oh he "expressed" what he thought or perceived? Why on a public message board?

I've yet to get a reasonable answer about that.

He sure had an axe to grind.

I don't care if he was right or wrong about Casey; if I were Cindy I would want nothing more to do with him, ever.

[Pat]

:rolleyes:

She murdered Caylee.. She snuffed the life out of her tiny body and then threw her away like trash. I can not believe anyone would think having her name on any eulogy is appropriate. It is disgusting.. Period.

End of discussion. Her name should NOT have been included in that statement and since it was - people are rightfully infuriated.

Casey has been arrested and charged with murdering Caylee.

Cindy seems to simply turn a deaf ear to what she doesn't want to hear and blithely goes on as if Casey's arrest is a blip on the radar screen.

Her own mother begged her to get out of the spotlight and told her it wasn't helping Casey and was hurting Cindy because of the way she was behaving.

I agree with those who believe that Cindy got help on this eulogy. I would tend to believe it got 'cleaned up' before it was released.

I have no intention of watching the memorial but am curious to see how many people show up.

The very, very bad behavior exhibited by the Anthonys, especially Cindy, must have turned a lot of sympathy to disgust. The way this memorial has been handled can't have helped.

[Neffy]

Exactly and neither she nor Cindy seem to think there should be any now. That's sad.

JMO

OMG, remember in the lost jail house visit tape. Paraphrased "I've been in here a week and a half, tell me what am I suppose to learn"

Lost cause.

[*MoonRider*]

Yep, ITA. Takes me back to the LKL interview (the day before Caylee's remains were found).

You would think the last words out of her mouth would be something like, "Please, whoever has my granddaughter, please, we will do anything to get her back."

But no.... she had to get a jab in at Nancy Grace. Paraphrasing here... After Caylee is found, no one is going to watch Nancy Grace, said with a childish, vengeful smirk.

I watched that again yesterday. I'm sure Nancy was worried. :lol:

[nothingnew]

IIRC, Eastside is the church the A's normally attend. The First Baptist Church is where the production is being held in order to accommodate 5,000 of the unwashed masses who are desperate to attend Cindy's event in defense of her daughter. Er, I mean, Caylee's memorial.

I'm not so knowledgable about Baptist churches, are they different from other churches in allowing people to be turned away from public memorials? Nothing against THIS specific pastor/minister/administration but if it was my church that gave the appearance of prostituting itself for a family of lawbreakers/avoiders, well, I would be gone! I don't mean to offend any Baptists because I know it's up to individual churches to "make their own beds", it just seems like it's bugging the heck out of me more than it is others.

[Neffy]

I totally agree with you. This is precisely why NeJame walked away and teamed up with TES. I hope Belich does more digging into that KidFinder foundation and puts them out of business for good. IMO the Milsteads saw $$$ signs when this story broke and swooped in on George & Cindy who were vulnerable and desperate at the time.

The Milsteads will not drop one dime on them coming aboard with them and now the Anthony's will be in competition with their "organization". This will be interesting a year or two down the line.

[happygert]

Puff, a very nice post. I want to believe she was enjoying a little toddler's life, being at playgrounds with other children. but right now, no one knows, not even her GP's what Casey was doing with her every day for almost 2 years of not being employed.

hours on end driving around, then having lunch perhaps? where was she all day long?

old friends havent said anything other than up to the point she had a job.....new friends were not quite in tune with her comings and goings with Caylee.....they had jobs and going to work....and it seemed from the timeline things were beginning to unravel for casey the end of May......more outtings, more lies to the parents. and you are right, a vocal Caylee.....

so...right now its a mystery.

no doubt her home was filled with things that a child would enjoy...ALOT! :) but its the daily life of a toddler Im curious about.

what was she doing all day with her? almost 2 years is a long time to keep a ruse going....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

What really bugs me is how can you live with someone day in and day out and not know what was going on?? IMO cindy and george didnt want to know.. If they were out of cindys hair that was fine and dandy.. IMO cindy could careless what casey was doing with Caylee as long as she didnt have to keep her...jmo...

As far as the money if my kid was writing checks out of my account there would be he77 to pay.. imo cindy KNEW casey didn't have a job.even aftet LE confronted her about casey lying about working ..cindy goes into she was working for kodak.right on carry the lie....mo

[marshmallow]

She's her mother, period.

It is normal, in all obituraries, to name the mother.

Something more to bash Cindy about, though, right?

Bottom line is she has NOT been convicted of the murder.

What about that do you not understand?



I think she should be mentioned briefly in the obit as Caylee's mother but not in the service.

The service is about Caylee, not the person in jail accused of taking the life of the child being memorialized.

[Mamie]

You are right in part, but too many parents today live in a bubble and want to be friends with their kids instead of being mentors. Most parents today and especially single ones do not participate with their kids during their formative years and hence we have Casey Anthony. Conflicted, confused and a sociopath. Her fault? Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of that woman? I say enabling was the problem for that brat and George and Cindy are solely responsible. Where were they when she needed them most? Doing their own thing and not paying attention is the answer.

Good for you eagleeer! I agree that a lot of today's parents want and think they are their children's friends instead of being the parent. They turn their heads, and when they do tell their children to do something specific, they don't follow through to see that it's been done. One is the parent who teaches, the other is the child who learns and obeys. I also think it's important to have regularity in the household and having atleast the evening meal together (or breakfast if one or both parents work a swing shift) is crucial. Conversing at the table over a meal I consider, very important. JMO

[SavannahStar]

I suspect that being murdered by your mother and tossed out like yesterday's garbage would be considered abuse.............


Thanks for listening. My own opinion. Be well...

I believe she was talking about abuse prior to her death.

I agree with her.....no evidence of abuse whatsoever.

My own opinion.

[WillowInFlight]

I suspect that being murdered by your mother and tossed out like yesterday's garbage would be considered abuse.............


Thanks for listening. My own opinion. Be well...

I was referring to a life of abuse.

[kitty1182]

I'm not so knowledgable about Baptist churches, are they different from other churches in allowing people to be turned away from public memorials? Nothing against THIS specific pastor/minister/administration but if it was my church that gave the appearance of prostituting itself for a family of lawbreakers/avoiders, well, I would be gone! I don't mean to offend any Baptists because I know it's up to individual churches to "make their own beds", it just seems like it's bugging the heck out of me more than it is others.

My Dad was a Baptist preacher...I have never seen anyone turned away from a funeral...All is supposed to be welcome in God's house..

[5boxersmom]

Imo, this is Cindy, the narcissist, attempting to sound like she has actual deep human feelings. Someone has told her that in order to cope with her grief, she must find the "purpose" in why Caylee was here. She's parroting something someone said or that she read.

And it doesn't hurt that Caylee's "purpose," if Cindy has anything to do with it, will involve spinning CeCe and JoJo into new careers as celebrity spokespeople for "missing" children.

I just get the feeling that Cindy thinks she "owned" Caylee. Making sure to say in the Eulogy their hurt will go on while people who saw her on tv will get over it. What about the searchers who was looking for a tiny little body? Will they ever get over it?

Cindy also has said other things like Lenny had to right to hold that memorial at JBP that only she had the right.

It just bugs me the choice of words she uses.

imo

[SavannahStar]

Actually its common for family members aka victims to come on the message boards and contribute.

We welcome the victims of crimes and will openly or privately discuss the case with them.

After all, we are advocates for victims and justice.

"We" ?? :laugh:

Wish I had a penny for every time I posted a "we" and was told I don't speak for anyone.

Well as for "me".....I do not welcome contributions on public message boards from Rick. Wish he had gone to LE, and LE only.

That would have been the compassionate, "family" thing to do.

IMO.

[marshmallow]

I disagree with your definition of trashing.

If Rick wanted Caylee's murderer brought to justice he could have brought all his information to LE.

What was the purpose of putting it on a public message board? Got an answer to that? Oh he "expressed" what he thought or perceived? Why on a public message board?

I've yet to get a reasonable answer about that.

He sure had an axe to grind.

I don't care if he was right or wrong about Casey; if I were Cindy I would want nothing more to do with him, ever.



we all know how Cindy likes to hold grudges and control the world around her.

[Tracian]

I think maybe you misunderstood my question. Let me make it clearer: what was the purpose to going on a PUBLIC message board with his "truth" (which we don't know is the truth, BTW)?

Couldn't he not have gone to LE about his "truth"? Why the internet?


How do you know for a fact he didn't go to LE? Also, Phil Spector's son also posts on the threads in regards to his fathers case, and has given interviews regarding his father's behavior...is he also wrong?

Casey's actions have hurt many people. Rick begged and pleaded with Cindy to get Casey to come clean, not just for the sake of the family, but also to hope that Casey would get a sentance other than life in prison or the DP.

Cindy just kept singing the same 'We know more than we can tell' 'Casey is innocent' And let's face it, Rick even addressed that Cindy was hurting herself more by speaking as she did to the media, than if she would just be quiet.

Cindy has lashed out at many people, which is given a pass...Cindy can do anything, and the tired old 'denial' is the continued excuse.

Cindy knows exactly what Cindy is doing...just like attempting to get that bracelet to Casey...the rules don't apply to Cindy...is it any wonder why Casey never thought the rules applied to her.

[sunstar]

Which leads me to believe that Tuesday may be all about Casey, I have know doubt we will see plenty of pictures of Caylee with her loving, doting mom. :angry:

I'm sure there will be since they're still defending Casey, but the moment of truth will come out at the trial, hopefully when the prosecution puts a big picture of Caylee in her great-granddad's lap up before the jury and tells them it's the last known photo of Caylee before she was murdered by her mother. MOO

[Texas48]

Will the defense come right out and say in their opening statement that their client is a LIAR? Can that be a strategy? The defense might well say that..afterall..according to Cindy KC does lie but always then tell the truth and just because KC is a liar and a thief does not make her a murderer..she loved that child. KC was even willing to spend the rest of her life in jail just to protect Caylee and the Grandparents. Heck..maybe we could write JB opening for him.lol

[WillowInFlight]

I'm sure there will be since they're still defending Casey, but the moment of truth will come out at the trial, hopefully when the prosecution puts a big picture of Caylee in her great-granddad's lap up before the jury and tells them it's the last known photo of Caylee before she was murdered by her mother. MOO

If that doesn't hit home, I don't know what will.

[marshmallow]

Actually its common for family members aka victims to come on the message boards and contribute.

We welcome the victims of crimes and will openly or privately discuss the case with them.

After all, we are advocates for victims and justice.


(not going for you CE, just using your post as a posting off point)
the way I see it, Cindy went on LKL to talk about Casey's innocence, it's no different or worse than Rick posting on a message board or her mother discussing Cindy with Rick behind Cindy's back. If we condemn Rick for posting do we condemn Cindy for her Casey-a-thon tv tour?

[PuffDragon]

Do you think anyone in Orlando would want to hire her?

Yes. As something. Anything. Surely there would be a place somewhere with employers who aren't going to judge her if she applied to a place that was desperate for help. Apparently she was good at her job before all this happened. She's still the same person who could do her job. Hopefully someone will take that into consideration. Otherwise, well, she could do like a lot of people have to do and expand her boundaries. Like, move. Might even be the best thing. What should she do, give up?

[Neffy]

I disagree with your definition of trashing.

If Rick wanted Caylee's murderer brought to justice he could have brought all his information to LE.

What was the purpose of putting it on a public message board? Got an answer to that? Oh he "expressed" what he thought or perceived? Why on a public message board?

I've yet to get a reasonable answer about that.

He sure had an axe to grind.

I don't care if he was right or wrong about Casey; if I were Cindy I would want nothing more to do with him, ever.

And again I've told you RICK ANSWERS THAT and you will have to read from the beginning. You will also have to read his emails.

He does have an ax to grind. His niece murdered his great niece.

The feeling seems to be mutual. Rick wants nothing more to do with Cindy or her immediate family.

A reasonable answer? You thought it was reasonable to joke about giving a child nyquil that wouldn't sleep so it's not surprising that you don't find anything Rick says about his reasoning to be reasonable to you.

[WillowInFlight]

The defense might well say that..afterall..according to Cindy KC does lie but always then tell the truth and just because KC is a liar and a thief does not make her a murderer..she loved that child. KC was even willing to spend the rest of her life in jail just to protect Caylee and the Grandparents. Heck..maybe we could write JB opening for him.lol

Well you have to give Casey this, she did say Caylee was close to home, or was it (Hope).

[SavannahStar]

How do you know for a fact he didn't go to LE? Also, Phil Spector's son also posts on the threads in regards to his fathers case, and has given interviews regarding his father's behavior...is he also wrong?

Casey's actions have hurt many people. Rick begged and pleaded with Cindy to get Casey to come clean, not just for the sake of the family, but also to hope that Casey would get a sentance other than life in prison or the DP.

Cindy just kept singing the same 'We know more than we can tell' 'Casey is innocent' And let's face it, Rick even addressed that Cindy was hurting herself more by speaking as she did to the media, than if she would just be quiet.

Cindy has lashed out at many people, which is given a pass...Cindy can do anything, and the tired old 'denial' is the continued excuse.

Cindy knows exactly what Cindy is doing...just like attempting to get that bracelet to Casey...the rules don't apply to Cindy...is it any wonder why Casey never thought the rules applied to her.

Tracian, I know nothing about Phil Spector's son. I am not interested/involved at all in that case.

I am speaking of Ricky ONLY.

So Rick "begged and pleaded" and yada yada? So what was the purpose of him going on public boards? I've yet to see that addressed. By you or anyone.

To tell the truth? So who are "we" that we must know the "truth"? Message board readers?

No......he went on to trash his family.

Period.

Wasn't necessary. If he was so concerned about Caylee Anthony he would go to LE and LE ONLY.

He wanted to humiliate Cindy.

But I can understand condoning that. As humiliating, ridiculcing and mocking Cindy is the norm on boards. He fit right in.

[myopinion]

I disagree with your definition of trashing.

If Rick wanted Caylee's murderer brought to justice he could have brought all his information to LE.

What was the purpose of putting it on a public message board? Got an answer to that? Oh he "expressed" what he thought or perceived? Why on a public message board?

I've yet to get a reasonable answer about that.

He sure had an axe to grind.

I don't care if he was right or wrong about Casey; if I were Cindy I would want nothing more to do with him, ever.

Is it a fact that he never went to LE?

[Unperson1984]

Savannah will be happy to help you. At least that's her inference. :) She's been talking about Rick's posting but hasn't given any details of the trashing so she must have them available or relay more of it's contents.

I read them and his emails and I didn't see any trashing. I saw a guy extremely angry at someone covering and lying and expressed what he thought of someone that would evade the facts.

Trashing is making something up about someone or relay some kind of dirty little secret that had nothing to do with this case just to make trouble.

Rick wants Caylee's murderer brought to justice.

I didn't read it as anger, but more frustration. In the emails and messages between family members they all expressed that Cindy was not behaving in her normal manner. He was trying to bring her out of deep denial, but I just don't believe Cindy was able to accept Caylee's death until her body was found.

In fact reading how odd the family views Cindy's behavior has stopped me from jumping on the bash Cindy wagon, perhaps the Cindy we have seen in the media is an aberration brought on by stress and unimaginable circumstances. IMO

[5boxersmom]

And again I've told you RICK ANSWERS THAT and you will have to read from the beginning. You will also have to read his emails.

He does have an ax to grind. His niece murdered his great niece.

The feeling seems to be mutual. Rick wants nothing more to do with Cindy or her immediate family.

A reasonable answer? You thought it was reasonable to joke about giving a child nyquil that wouldn't sleep so it's not surprising that you don't find anything Rick says about his reasoning to be reasonable to you.

I think Rick was frustrated too with what all of this was doing to his elderly parents.

imo

[PuffDragon]

A better adjective to describe Caylee's whereabouts is "hidden" .

Missing denotes lost. This was not a lost child.

This is all semantics. She was absent. Her mother knew where she was, everybody else didn't. Regardless of what you want to call it she wasn't where she was supposed to be!!! Why is it so important to give it a label?

--> me, slinking off quietly to avoid the rotten eggs..............

[Pruddennce]

IMO what is poignant to remember in this case is Jesse Grund's written statement:

- He stated he was aware of a falling about between Casey and her mother prior to June 27th which is why he asked if Cindy was watching Caylee when Casey asked him to come to Fusion.

which lends alot of credence to the theory that there was a huge fight and she left the home in a rage, etc.

- her facebook/myspace pages were changed......so much was removed, pics of her with Caylee and Caylee alone.

not all were removed, but a significant amount that was noticeable per Grund. why were those pics removed...and its unclear when it was done.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Tracian]

I gave you a reasonable answer. Just because you chose to ignore it doesn't mean it wasn't reasonable. In fact, perhaps you ignored it precisely because it was.

Perhaps Rick was simply expressing his grief in his way. How can you find compassion for Cindy as she expresses her grief in her way, but not allow Rick the same latitude?

You seem much more upset about Rick's truth-telling than Cindy's lies that very likely hindered the investigation into Caylee's whereabouts. Why is that? What do you have against the truth, is my question?


Bolding mine:

Truth is Cindy bashing...because if it is discussed that Cindy lies and misled the investigation, that is bashing...she gets a pass she is the grandmother of a murdered child...never mind all the facts surrounding the death.

It reminds me of the son that kills his parents...then expects mercy from the court because he is an orphan.

[marshmallow]

Tracian, I know nothing about Phil Spector's son. I am not interested/involved at all in that case.

I am speaking of Ricky ONLY.

So Rick "begged and pleaded" and yada yada? So what was the purpose of him going on public boards? I've yet to see that addressed. By you or anyone.

To tell the truth? So who are "we" that we must know the "truth"? Message board readers?

No......he went on to trash his family.

Period.

Wasn't necessary. If he was so concerned about Caylee Anthony he would go to LE and LE ONLY.

He wanted to humiliate Cindy.

But I can understand condoning that. As humiliating, ridiculcing and mocking Cindy is the norm on boards. He fit right in.




please stop picking fights by deciding for everyone what's the norm.
Rick acted in his way out of fear, anger, and grief...you feel Cindy's justified in anything and everything she's done out of fear, anger, and grief... call it a truce and disagree but please stop deciding for everyone what's the norm and what isn't.

[SavannahStar]

I didn't read it as anger, but more frustration. In the emails and messages between family members they all expressed that Cindy was not behaving in her normal manner. He was trying to bring her out of deep denial, but I just don't believe Cindy was able to accept Caylee's death until her body was found.

In fact reading how odd the family views Cindy's behavior has stopped me from jumping on the bash Cindy wagon, perhaps the Cindy we have seen in the media is an aberration brought on by stress and unimaginable circumstances. IMO

People forget the "stress and unimaginable circumstances," Unperson.

Good to see you! {{hugs}}

[SavannahStar]

please stop picking fights by deciding for everyone what's the norm.
Rick acted in his way out of fear, anger, and grief...you feel Cindy's justified in anything and everything she's done out of fear, anger, and grief... call it a truce and disagree but please stop deciding for everyone what's the norm and what isn't.


I'm not picking fights, I am discussing.

And who are you to decided how Rick acted in his way????

We cannot debate that?

And, BTW, please stop putting words in my mouth as to what I think about Cindy.

[Texas48]

Good morning n/t and everyone. Look for one of the best juror consultants to be hired by the defense. Either Jo-Ellan Dimitrios or Howard Varinsky. Both have been known to work for the prosecution also.

Linda Baden will be looking for another wingnut, like Juror #10 in the spector trial. Who, because his grandmother would go to a stranger's home and snoop thru drawers, assumed that Lana Clarkson did the same in spector's home, and upon discovering a gun decided to then commit suicide by shooting herself in the mouth. Despite all the evidence provided by five women that he drew guns on them and threatened to shoot them.

Yep, I think they will be looking for the same type of juror here, in this case. I have never w/a post more than this one Regina. LKB is well known for this. Then you always have a person hold out and sometimes it is just for the 15 min. of fame. In this high profile case that one person will be more than willing to do interviews and anything else to get he/she in the spot light. Just takes one.jmo

[Neffy]

This is all semantics. She was absent. Her mother knew where she was, everybody else didn't. Regardless of what you want to call it she wasn't where she was supposed to be!!! Why is it so important to give it a label?

--> me, slinking off quietly to avoid the rotten eggs..............

Take it as you will.

When's the last time you've heard of missing remains? LE already determined Caylee had been killed and is no longer alive.

[WillowInFlight]

please stop picking fights by deciding for everyone what's the norm.
Rick acted in his way out of fear, anger, and grief...you feel Cindy's justified in anything and everything she's done out of fear, anger, and grief... call it a truce and disagree but please stop deciding for everyone what's the norm and what isn't.

Isn't it strange how Rick knew last summer that Caylee was dead? I'd say he has the family's dynamics down to a T.

[Pat]

I disagree with your definition of trashing.

If Rick wanted Caylee's murderer brought to justice he could have brought all his information to LE.

What was the purpose of putting it on a public message board? Got an answer to that? Oh he "expressed" what he thought or perceived? Why on a public message board?

I've yet to get a reasonable answer about that.

He sure had an axe to grind.

I don't care if he was right or wrong about Casey; if I were Cindy I would want nothing more to do with him, ever.

His purpose was probably no different than yours. He had opinions and found a place to express them...just like you, Savannah.

Where did you read it was to bring Caylee's murderer to justice?

Did he have an ax to grind? Probably...Cindy's behavior sparked a lot of speculation about the entire family. It has been discussed on many a message board. He's entitled to be a part of the discussion.

Given what we've seen play out over the months, I somehow doubt he's losing a lot of sleep over Cindy cutting him from her life. It happens in all families, and a lot of times for offenses smaller than this.

In the big scheme of things, if we are assigning scores for bad behavior, Cindy is so far ahead of Rick he will never catch up.

[SavannahStar]

This is all semantics. She was absent. Her mother knew where she was, everybody else didn't. Regardless of what you want to call it she wasn't where she was supposed to be!!! Why is it so important to give it a label?

--> me, slinking off quietly to avoid the rotten eggs..............

Exactly. Puff.

[Tracian]

Tracian, I know nothing about Phil Spector's son. I am not interested/involved at all in that case.

I am speaking of Ricky ONLY.

So Rick "begged and pleaded" and yada yada? So what was the purpose of him going on public boards? I've yet to see that addressed. By you or anyone.

To tell the truth? So who are "we" that we must know the "truth"? Message board readers?

No......he went on to trash his family.

Period.

Wasn't necessary. If he was so concerned about Caylee Anthony he would go to LE and LE ONLY.

He wanted to humiliate Cindy.

But I can understand condoning that. As humiliating, ridiculcing and mocking Cindy is the norm on boards. He fit right in.


Nonsense. The truth is not bashing, the truth is the truth. The truth is that Rick did plead with Cindy...she attacked him, and continued to make a fool out of herself about 'pizza' and 'watching kidnappers' 'knowing more than they can tell' I don't blame Rick one bit for letting people know that not everyone related to Cindy is guzzling the Casey Kool-aid.

Cindy humiliated Cindy, and unless she takes a bite of reality sandwich really soon, it is only going to get worse as the trial nears.

[Neffy]

Isn't it strange how Rick knew last summer that Caylee was dead? I'd say he has the family's dynamics down to a T.

Same with LE, FBI, the body farm etc.

Who was surprised to find Caylee's remains and a homicide ruling?

[sunstar]

If that doesn't hit home, I don't know what will.

I think it's something they should start their opening statement with and then end the closing argument with the video of her singing and 'are you tired poppa'. That would be a tribute to Caylee. :crying: MOO

[marshmallow]

I'm not picking fights, I am discussing.

And who are you to decided how Rick acted in his way????

We cannot debate that?

And, BTW, please stop putting words in my mouth as to what I think about Cindy.






see you don't like being told what you think either :unsure:

Rick expressed his grief, his anger, and his fear in both his e-mails to Cindy and his emails to his Mother.

[SavannahStar]

His purpose was probably no different than yours. He had opinions and found a place to express them...just like you, Savannah.

Where did you read it was to bring Caylee's murderer to justice?

Did he have an ax to grind? Probably...Cindy's behavior sparked a lot of speculation about the entire family. It has been discussed on many a message board. He's entitled to be a part of the discussion.

Given what we've seen play out over the months, I somehow doubt he's losing a lot of sleep over Cindy cutting him from her life. It happens in all families, and a lot of times for offenses smaller than this.

In the big scheme of things, if we are assigning scores for bad behavior, Cindy is so far ahead of Rick he will never catch up.

bolding to address

Someone else used that term, I copied it.

[Pruddennce]

Tracian, I know nothing about Phil Spector's son. I am not interested/involved at all in that case.

I am speaking of Ricky ONLY.

So Rick "begged and pleaded" and yada yada? So what was the purpose of him going on public boards? I've yet to see that addressed. By you or anyone.

To tell the truth? So who are "we" that we must know the "truth"? Message board readers?

No......he went on to trash his family.

Period.

Wasn't necessary. If he was so concerned about Caylee Anthony he would go to LE and LE ONLY.

He wanted to humiliate Cindy.

But I can understand condoning that. As humiliating, ridiculcing and mocking Cindy is the norm on boards. He fit right in.

what a curious response.

you have missed responses to your question a few pages back.

and have exclaimed "NO" and have given YOUR response to your own question?

??

LE spoke with Rick. its in the docs.

if Cindy, George and Lee were only concerned with Caylee, they would have stayed home and issued no statements to the press about CASEY, in any form whatsoever.

in fact, it was pretty difficult watching them make those attempts with one glaring fact: mom of Caylee carries on with her life for a month and only tells her parents she doesnt have caylee because they got notified about her car.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[?noanswer]

MO, for her own sanity it would be the best thing she could do. She should work somewhere where it's very busy and she could be useful and start rebuilding her self-esteem. Otherwise it's going to be a long haul for her.......


I totally agree. I know the family can never forget the sad ending to the life of a beautiful child, but a distraction, such as work, would make the time go by faster. JMO

[Neffy]

You know everyone usually brings up Casey's reference to being close to Hope or Home.

What was Baez's comment regarding everyone's assuming that Casey doesn't know where Caylee is or something to that nature? I certainly never thought that neither did anyone else.

[Texas48]

The family is requesting that those with only the purest of hearts and truly honorable intentions attend the service for their beloved child

This is the part of the statement that made my hair stand on end. Cindy, dear Cindy, are you going to be the one at the door deciding who is pure of heart and truly honorable. How will you recognize it. I think both of those are foreign concepts to you. My quess is that some of the protestors(ones in front of Anthony's house) will put their Sunday best on and walk right through those doors. I wounder if they will have a device at the door (like the metal detector) that can tell who is purest of hearts? I would much rather attend w/Lenny at his memorial.

[scillak]

I think that the Anthony's would have been maligned if they hadn't scheduled a public memorial service, and now that they have, everybody's picking it apart. I don't get it. I think that the family did and said many unfortunate things up until the remains were found and identified, but I really do think they were just in denial. Who wouldn't be? Over a decade ago an unthinkable thing happened in our family. My older sibling came up with a theory about what might have really happened. And...I bought into it for a time. We were both in mega denial. Thank goodness we weren't in the public eye and didn't go public with what I later realized was a ridiculous notion. We had even had a scientific analysis performed! The thing that occurred in my family was nowhere near as awful as what has happened to the Anthony's. I can understand that it is taking time for them to accept their reality.

[BANJO GRANNY]

My Dad was a Baptist preacher...I have never seen anyone turned away from a funeral...All is supposed to be welcome in God's house..
Same here, my grandpa was a Baptist preacher and I have also been to different churches, Church of Christ, etc.... and I have never ever seen anyone turned away from any of them, where I live our church is always open, never locked as that is the way IMOO that it should be.
But I live way out in the country at and that is just the way it has always been here. "We still have outside bathrooms at my church" :ohmy: I'm talking we are way out in the sticks. I know alot of churches in town and more populated places lock there doors when no one is there as they have big p.a. systems etc..



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[eagleeer]

what a curious response.

you have missed responses to your question a few pages back.

and have exclaimed "NO" and have given YOUR response to your own question?

??

LE spoke with Rick. its in the docs.

if Cindy, George and Lee were only concerned with Caylee, they would have stayed home and issued no statements to the press about CASEY, in any form whatsoever.

in fact, it was pretty difficult watching them make those attempts with one glaring fact: mom of Caylee carries on with her life for a month and only tells her parents she doesnt have caylee because they got notified about her car.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Good job Pru, now maybe these two will stop snarking at each other.
You have mail.

Eagle

[5boxersmom]

I think there will be a lot of people there without the "purest of hearts" and one of them is KFN.

imo

[marshmallow]

My quess is that some of the protestors(ones in front of Anthony's house) will put their Sunday best on and walk right through those doors. I wounder if they will have a device at the door (like the metal detector) that can tell who is purest of hearts? I would much rather attend w/Lenny at his memorial.


see, even if I wasn't all the way over here in NY and busy with my Granddaughter on Tuesday I still couldn't go. My heart is not the pure that is probably required because I couldn't sit there mourning such a tiny life being lost without harboring some anger in me over who <allegedly> took thatl ife away. I wouldn't act on it of course but it would be in me and that would cross cancel "purest of heart"

[PuffDragon]

Puffy, you may be right. I don't recall about that. I just think it was really in poor taste.....I can see how Cindy would be very hurt. So, she wasn't in her right mind about Casey and how she (Cindy) behaved and talked on TV......I still don't get his right or desire to go on a message board with his rants. Just makes me sad, I guess...I always think family is family and you don't humiliate them, no matter what.....especially in public. :sad:

*Bolding mine

Uh oh, you are leaving yourself wide open there. Somebody is surely going to say >don't you think that Cindy's behavior might have humiliated Rick and Shirley and the other members of the family? Oh dear, I guess the one who said it is me....:rolleyes:. But I'm not saying it to attack you.

I know what you're saying though. You figure, circle the wagons and keep it in the family. But it was too late for that, people were already talking. When Rick first went on he said he didn't like what was happening, that people were attacking his sister and he wanted to explain how it was about his niece and why Cindy was acting the way she was. He was much more specific with his suggestions to Cindy in the emails, on the boards he mostly tried to explain how Cindy had tried to keep the family intact even though Casey was out of control. I don't remember any rants. I just think it was all done out of concern for her reputation, at the time he couldn't have had any idea how far this would go and probably still believed if he could set the record straight she would still have a life to go on with once this was over.

If I had been Rick I would have been the one to feel hurt at her defensive attitude. Here he opened himself up to all sorts of criticism to try to help her and all she did was lacerate him. The arrow goes both ways.

[Tracian]

Have I told you lately how much I admire your take in this case. You go girlfriend.




TY :biggrin:

I just don't get it...everyone in the world that questions Cindy is bashing. I guess LE bashed her too...and the FBI...and Tim, and everyone that does not smile and nod like some idiot everytime she makes a statement.

I am really curious, those that just think Cindy walks on water, what do you think about her trying to get that braclet to Casey. It is clearly against the rules of the jail...it was sneaky, and what purpose was it to serve?

honestly interested in opinions on that issue, from both 'sides'

[WillowInFlight]

The label is important, imo, because most parents of truly missing children should not be put in the same category as Casey Anthony. If my child was missing, taken from me, I would take enormous offense to being compared to Casey Anthony.

Further, most grandparents of truly missing children did not harbor, nor are they excusing the murderer. So were I the grandparent of a truly missing child, I would not want the Anthonys in my "club" either.

That's the importance of the label, imo.

Well said Say.

[sunstar]

I think there will be a lot of people there without the "purest of hearts" and one of them is KFN.

imo

I agree, and some 'with the purest of hearts' who may not be welcome. MOO

[nothingnew]

My Dad was a Baptist preacher...I have never seen anyone turned away from a funeral...All is supposed to be welcome in God's house..

Thank you! I thought this was a little peculiar. GOD Bless your Father and all the other Preachers that follow that creed.

[cassidy]

TY :biggrin:

I just don't get it...everyone in the world that questions Cindy is bashing. I guess LE bashed her too...and the FBI...and Tim, and everyone that does not smile and nod like some idiot everytime she makes a statement.

I am really curious, those that just think Cindy walks on water, what do you think about her trying to get that braclet to Casey. It is clearly against the rules of the jail...it was sneaky, and what purpose was it to serve?

honestly interested in opinions on that issue, from both 'sides'

Hiding it in socks indicated that she knew it was wrong. Sending it anyhow indicated that she doesn't believe rules apply to her, or her daughter.

JMO

[?noanswer]

I think KC was responsible for Caylee's death from all the information I have read. I don't agree with the method the family has handled this tragic event.

Having said all that, I can't believe all the posts complaining about the memorial for Caylee. Right after the body was found and especially since LE released the body, everybody has been complaining about having a service for Caylee. Now that one is planned, most everybody is griping about the way it is being handled. Please let this family get some closure without all the bickering. There will be plenty of time after this and during the trial to post our thoughts. JMO

[ConchGirl]

Has it occurred to anyone else that someone is posting to garner attention. Just saying.

moo

I hadn't noticed. :ohmy:

[SavannahStar]

*Snipped*

LE spoke with Rick. its in the docs.

if Cindy, George and Lee were only concerned with Caylee, they would have stayed home and issued no statements to the press about CASEY, in any form whatsoever.

Rick needed (IMO) to speak to LE only.

The situation was far different with Cindy and George and Lee.

IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Has it occurred to anyone else that someone is posting to garner attention. Just saying.

moo

Yeh! Interesting when they are not a regular poster on here, but come over from other boards! Indeed. :ohmy:

[Tracian]

Rick needed (IMO) to speak to LE only.

The situation was far different with Cindy and George and Lee.

IMO.


Rick has the right to defend his family, i.e. his parents and his immidate family from the lies his sister's family has spread all over the media.

[Tracian]

Yeh! Interesting when they are not a regular poster on here, but come over from other boards! Indeed. :ohmy:



Does that matter? Many people post on several boards...including you.

[cady]

Puff, a very nice post. I want to believe she was enjoying a little toddler's life, being at playgrounds with other children. but right now, no one knows, not even her GP's what Casey was doing with her every day for almost 2 years of not being employed.

hours on end driving around, then having lunch perhaps? where was she all day long?

old friends havent said anything other than up to the point she had a job.....new friends were not quite in tune with her comings and goings with Caylee.....they had jobs and going to work....and it seemed from the timeline things were beginning to unravel for casey the end of May......more outtings, more lies to the parents. and you are right, a vocal Caylee.....

so...right now its a mystery.

no doubt her home was filled with things that a child would enjoy...ALOT! :) but its the daily life of a toddler Im curious about.

what was she doing all day with her? almost 2 years is a long time to keep a ruse going....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Bolded by me.

When was it that George lost his job?

Maybe Casey left early with Caylee then came back when George went to work and spent most of the day in the house. The car would be in the garage so no one would notice.

Why was Caylee still in diapers at her age? Is that normal? My kids were completely out of diapers by that age. That's an important point to me because, imo, it goes to parenting and scheduling. Diapers would be so much more convenient for a parent who didn't want to be bothered with the needs of a child.

[SavannahStar]

Does that matter? Many people post on several boards...including you.


Indeed. I don't go from board to board bashing posters though. :smile:

[nc1948]

I suspect that being murdered by your mother and tossed out like yesterday's garbage would be considered abuse.............


Thanks for listening. My own opinion. Be well...

for sure.....

[marshmallow]

Yeh! Interesting when they are not a regular poster on here, but come over from other boards! Indeed. :ohmy:

all who wish to post are welcomed here, we have no list to keep anyone out


besides, I like fresh opinions, sometimes they see things I may have missed.

and once upon a time....a fresh poster made me change my opinion.... :scared:who knew that could happen???

[PuffDragon]

I disagree, I think we are all in for a shock. IMO

How? Thinking she'll end up being a celebrity and in demand? What's your take on this then? Most of us can't stand to listen to her for more than two minutes.......

[SavannahStar]

Rick has the right to defend his family, i.e. his parents and his immidate family from the lies his sister's family has spread all over the media.

I wouldn't agree that all his posts were for that purpose. But we can agree to disagree, that's fine.

[Neffy]

Even though it is a public service the Church is private property and they have the right to refuse entrance to anyone they consider detrimental to the service. Has anyone seen the so called uninvited list? My feeling is that someone who thinks they are on list won't show up anyway and then say they were on the list. Friday night on NG lenny said he was the only one on the list so that is why he might be out on Suburban Tuesday morning.

JMO

Hey Mr. Lucky,

The fact is no one had ill will or didn't possess or have in their heart the purest intentions towards Caylee. It was her family they'd had a problem with.

So technically the ban should be about anyone having ill will towards the Anthony's.

As they are still perpetuating the myth ill will is most definately present.

Anyone that doesn't realize this memorial will emphatically have to do with pictures and home video's of the entire Anthony family including Casey if not inparticularly Casey is disallusioned. This is a small child of a few years of age and again not to be disrepectful but there are no accomplishments that this little baby can be memorialized as standing out alone or from any other child. I find it very inappropriate to appoint her as a guardian of all missing children.

I would have thought a mass for Caylee would have been sufficient if something had to be dubbed "public". Not a memorial.

There is nothing to talk about except the family's interaction with Caylee and that is what the memorial service will entail.

If that'll make you squirm then you shouldn't be there period.

[Beach~Tenant]

*Bolding mine

Uh oh, you are leaving yourself wide open there. Somebody is surely going to say >don't you think that Cindy's behavior might have humiliated Rick and Shirley and the other members of the family? Oh dear, I guess the one who said it is me....:rolleyes:. But I'm not saying it to attack you.

I know what you're saying though. You figure, circle the wagons and keep it in the family. But it was too late for that, people were already talking. When Rick first went on he said he didn't like what was happening, that people were attacking his sister and he wanted to explain how it was about his niece and why Cindy was acting the way she was. He was much more specific with his suggestions to Cindy in the emails, on the boards he mostly tried to explain how Cindy had tried to keep the family intact even though Casey was out of control. I don't remember any rants. I just think it was all done out of concern for her reputation, at the time he couldn't have had any idea how far this would go and probably still believed if he could set the record straight she would still have a life to go on with once this was over.

If I had been Rick I would have been the one to feel hurt at her defensive attitude. Here he opened himself up to all sorts of criticism to try to help her and all she did was lacerate him. The arrow goes both ways.

another great post! I agree with your theory on WHY Rick felt the need to post family issues publically! I wish everyone would stop harping on savanannah! I know everyone has their views like SHE does, but it seems like she's getting "LASHED" on every other post!! :sad::sad:

I started reading some of ricks posts and so far, it seems like no one believes its HIM! lol

[Tracian]

Bolded by me.

When was it that George lost his job?

Maybe Casey left early with Caylee then came back when George went to work and spent most of the day in the house. The car would be in the garage so no one would notice.

Why was Caylee still in diapers at her age? Is that normal? My kids were completely out of diapers by that age. That's an important point to me because, imo, it goes to parenting and scheduling. Diapers would be so much more convenient for a parent who didn't want to be bothered with the needs of a child.

According to the emails, it seems George lost his job while Caylee was missing, and his 'new' job was to drive the truck with the signs on it..

[AbbyNormal]

To my knowledge, not Cindy, George or Lee have ever made a public plea to return Caylee...

IMO, it was because they knew the moment they smelled that car....Cindy didn't even want to call the police until she gave Casey a chance to 'explain' and had to be forced to leave work the day the car was found.

Something is completely wrong with this family, it runs very deep into the core of each and every one of them.Hi Tracian,
I agree with most of your post.

I think GA and CinA knew Caylee was deceased before they picked up the car at the tow yard. When they picked up the car, that is when they knew Casey had moved Caylee's body from the backyard.

They are all scrambling to keep something hidden. Like roaches scatter when the lights are turned on....

jmo

[PuffDragon]

Perhaps nursing isn't a good choice. Unless she's behind the scenes ... entirely.

I'd flip the heck out if I ever encountered that woman in any setting that involved care of my own health concerns, or those of anyone I know.

But Say, nobody has cast aspersions on her ability to be good at her profession, we just dislike her personality and her sense of what's proper and moral. She could work in a nursing home, it might give her a different perspective, and it really wouldn't matter who she is as long as she did her job well, and she certainly would be useful there.

[Neffy]

Has it occurred to anyone else that someone is posting to garner attention. Just saying.

moo

No, not surprised at all.

[PuffDragon]

Had to jump in with "one hitter".

Sounds right, what is it?

[eagleeer]

I think KC was responsible for Caylee's death from all the information I have read. I don't agree with the method the family has handled this tragic event.

Having said all that, I can't believe all the posts complaining about the memorial for Caylee. Right after the body was found and especially since LE released the body, everybody has been complaining about having a service for Caylee. Now that one is planned, most everybody is griping about the way it is being handled. Please let this family get some closure without all the bickering. There will be plenty of time after this and during the trial to post our thoughts. JMO

No comment but I really like your tag line. :thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

another great post! I agree with your theory on WHY Rick felt the need to post family issues publically! I wish everyone would stop harping on savanannah! I know everyone has their views like SHE does, but it seems like she's getting "LASHED" on every other post!! :sad::sad:

I started reading some of ricks posts and so far, it seems like no one believes its HIM! lol


:laugh: Thanks BT. Most people who don't agree with the majority opinion on here usually get "harped on" (bashed). No biggie. We stand for what we believe.

[Tracian]

Hi Tracian,
I agree with most of your post.

I think GA and CinA knew Caylee was deceased before they picked up the car at the tow yard. When they picked up the car, that is when they knew Casey had moved Caylee's body from the backyard.

They are all scrambling to keep something hidden. Like roaches scatter when the lights are turned on....

jmo



That thought has crossed my mind as well. I have kicked around the possibilty that after Caylee was killed, the family went into cover up mode, and helped hide her body.

[Motomom]

Even though it is a public service the Church is private property and they have the right to refuse entrance to anyone they consider detrimental to the service. Has anyone seen the so called uninvited list? My feeling is that someone who thinks they are on list won't show up anyway and then say they were on the list. Friday night on NG lenny said he was the only one on the list so that is why he might be out on Suburban Tuesday morning.

JMO

I think he said that to entice Cindy. I think it was to irritate her. He could have just said he wasn't going, but he had to add all of the Cindy stuff and how he'd be at suburban..

Hi everyone.. I realized today that I have to work and go to a funeral on Tuesday. I am so mad at myself over the work thing because I had intentions of watching Caylee's memorial and now I'll be missing it. I'll be thinking of her on Tuesday and I hope that CA does the right thing and has a beautiful tribute and memorial to only Caylee.

[SavannahStar]

No, not surprised at all.

Are you garnering attention again, Neff?

:laugh:

Sheesh!

[nc1948]

I think it's something they should start their opening statement with and then end the closing argument with the video of her singing and 'are you tired poppa'. That would be a tribute to Caylee. :crying: MOO

I would prefer one of them to be the call from Cindy where Casey states "you are all about Caylee, what about me." "There is no sense in talking to you."

[happygert]

How do you know for a fact he didn't go to LE? Also, Phil Spector's son also posts on the threads in regards to his fathers case, and has given interviews regarding his father's behavior...is he also wrong?

Casey's actions have hurt many people. Rick begged and pleaded with Cindy to get Casey to come clean, not just for the sake of the family, but also to hope that Casey would get a sentence other than life in prison or the DP.

Cindy just kept singing the same 'We know more than we can tell' 'Casey is innocent' And let's face it, Rick even addressed that Cindy was hurting herself more by speaking as she did to the media, than if she would just be quiet.

Cindy has lashed out at many people, which is given a pass...Cindy can do anything, and the tired old 'denial' is the continued excuse.

Cindy knows exactly what Cindy is doing...just like attempting to get that bracelet to Casey...the rules don't apply to Cindy...is it any wonder why Casey never thought the rules applied to her.

ITA! and if they knew it was someone else other then casey her azz would have been out of jail a long ,along time ago..Who are they protecting for a murder charge? They said they couldn't tell anything because Caylee would be in danger...Hey A's wake up and smell the coffee..Caylee's body has been found no protecting anyone now.Oh except for the Murderer your daughter casey.....

NO ONE would sit in jail for something they didn't do and no parent regardless would let there child be charge for murder if there was someone that did it they would scream it from roof tops...But in this case they can't tell the truth because they know one person and one person alone killed Caylee and thats casey..casey's living in a fantasy land if she thinks there going to but a shining knight to come and save her from prison...mo...And I really dont think the A team is going to pull the nanny out of the hat...mo

[ConchGirl]

According to the emails, it seems George lost his job while Caylee was missing, and his 'new' job was to drive the truck with the signs on it..

Signs with a non-working number. Cindy's Mom also questioned where he was getting money for the gas. :rolleyes:

[Neffy]

But Say, nobody has cast aspersions on her ability to be good at her profession, we just dislike her personality and her sense of what's proper and moral. She could work in a nursing home, it might give her a different perspective, and it really wouldn't matter who she is as long as she did her job well, and she certainly would be useful there.

Sorry Puff but I'll have to wave my hand on this one. If this is her profession she should have been able to apply it to her surroundings in particular dealing with her own family. Now it's one of two things.

She's either lying to the public about not knowing Casey was in fact pregnant and lying about the healthy emotional environment that they all lived in or she couldn't tell.

Either is not a desirable trait in the medical field.

[AbbyNormal]

I didn't read it as anger, but more frustration. In the emails and messages between family members they all expressed that Cindy was not behaving in her normal manner. He was trying to bring her out of deep denial, but I just don't believe Cindy was able to accept Caylee's death until her body was found.

In fact reading how odd the family views Cindy's behavior has stopped me from jumping on the bash Cindy wagon, perhaps the Cindy we have seen in the media is an aberration brought on by stress and unimaginable circumstances. IMO
I think CinA is not any different because of the stresses she is under. I think she has been "unmasked". Tragedy doesn't build character, it tends to unveil it.

jmo

[nothingnew]

Is it a fact that he never went to LE?

Someone probably already answered but YES, he did send all his email communication to LE-that's where a lot of people are reading it-it's in one of the doc dumps. As did his and cindys mom, Shirley Plesea.

[eagleeer]

another great post! I agree with your theory on WHY Rick felt the need to post family issues publically! I wish everyone would stop harping on savanannah! I know everyone has their views like SHE does, but it seems like she's getting "LASHED" on every other post!! :sad::sad:

I started reading some of ricks posts and so far, it seems like no one believes its HIM! lol

Unfortunately she brings it on herself. If she would let it go, it would stop.

[Tracian]

Signs with a non-working number. Cindy's Mom also questioned where he was getting money for the gas. :rolleyes:



OMG....a non working number? Wow, that is the first time I heard that...

Yes, Shirley was wondering about the gas, and how they were going to make their bills--she was concerned also that Cindy could loose her job.

[5boxersmom]

Who has Cindy turned away? There are rumors and innuendos of who is unwelcome however until Tuesday there is no way of knowing if anyone will be denied access to the Church.

JMO

Are you going to attend? I know you helped in searches and went to one of the KFN's tents at one time.

You don't have to say if you don't want I was just curious because you have been involved more then me.

:biggrin:

[Pat]

That thought has crossed my mind as well. I have kicked around the possibilty that after Caylee was killed, the family went into cover up mode, and helped hide her body.

If it turns out to be true, I'll be very surprised.

I don't think they knew until Caylee's remains had long been disposed of. One thing the searching in the backyard indicates to me is...they certainly thought Casey was capable of fatally harming Caylee and covering it up.

[sunstar]

I feel compelled to post this again. At the time the remains were found, there was hope that the A's would come to their senses. That was the first sentiment expressed. The second sentiment expressed was for the possibility of a public memorial, since Caylee's little face was known and mourned far and wide.

The first hope, that the A's would come to their senses, has been dashed by their behavior since 12/11, much of it by way of their attorney.

The second hope, for a public memorial, has been thoroughly tainted by the dashing of the first hope.

The two things had to go together in order for anyone to think the public memorial would be a positive thing.
Very well said! I too believe that's where many of the negative sentiments are coming from, including mine, about the memorial service. There are many people who care deeply about Caylee but weren't of the same belief as the family, that she was still alive, when they were searching for her. :sad: MOO

[Motomom]

The label is important, imo, because most parents of truly missing children should not be put in the same category as Casey Anthony. If my child was missing, taken from me, I would take enormous offense to being compared to Casey Anthony.

Further, most grandparents of truly missing children did not harbor, nor are they excusing the murderer. So were I the grandparent of a truly missing child, I would not want the Anthonys in my "club" either.

That's the importance of the label, imo.

I agree with you Saywaht.. MO is she was never missing. Missing to me would be actually missing.. stolen, lost etc..not killed at the hands of her own mother and dumped like garbage. She was never missing, because the A's never looked for her. they never looked for an alive Caylee IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Who has Cindy turned away? There are rumors and innuendos of who is unwelcome however until Tuesday there is no way of knowing if anyone will be denied access to the Church.

JMO


Post of the Day for that FACT!

[Tracian]

Who has Cindy turned away? There are rumors and innuendos of who is unwelcome however until Tuesday there is no way of knowing if anyone will be denied access to the Church.

JMO


Conway did say that some people, and they know who they are, are not welcome. Further he said that should they show up they will be denied entrance.

[ConchGirl]

I think CinA is not any different because of the stresses she is under. I think she has been "unmasked". Tragedy doesn't build character, it tends to unveil it.

jmo

So true. :thumbup:

[SavannahStar]

If it turns out to be true, I'll be very surprised.

I don't think they knew until Caylee's remains had long been disposed of. One thing the searching in the backyard indicates to me is...they certainly thought Casey was capable of fatally harming Caylee and covering it up.

I would be very surprised as well.

[Neffy]

Are you garnering attention again, Neff?

:laugh:

Sheesh!

I don't need attention SAVANNAH. :)

[PuffDragon]

You are right in part, but too many parents today live in a bubble and want to be friends with their kids instead of being mentors. Most parents today and especially single ones do not participate with their kids during their formative years and hence we have Casey Anthony. Conflicted, confused and a sociopath. Her fault? Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of that woman? I say enabling was the problem for that brat and George and Cindy are solely responsible. Where were they when she needed them most? Doing their own thing and not paying attention is the answer.

*Bolding mine

Be fair, eagleeer, we don't know that. Have you ever had to live with a sociopath? They don't spring into life full grown, they start early and there's really not anything a parent can do about it. It's not enabling, it's survival. They couldn't throw her out at age five, what could they do, chain her to her bed? These days a parent can't even attempt tough love without having the law on them.
Just as a point of reference here, do you think an autistic child having a meltdown is a brat? In his own way a sociopath is just as unable to be socialized. How would you manage each of them?

[ConchGirl]

I agree with you Saywaht.. MO is she was never missing. Missing to me would be actually missing.. stolen, lost etc..not killed at the hands of her own mother and dumped like garbage. She was never missing, because the A's never looked for her. they never looked for an alive Caylee IMO.

Raising hand....they did look for her in their backyard. :sad:

[Motomom]

*Bolding mine

Uh oh, you are leaving yourself wide open there. Somebody is surely going to say >don't you think that Cindy's behavior might have humiliated Rick and Shirley and the other members of the family? Oh dear, I guess the one who said it is me....:rolleyes:. But I'm not saying it to attack you.

I know what you're saying though. You figure, circle the wagons and keep it in the family. But it was too late for that, people were already talking. When Rick first went on he said he didn't like what was happening, that people were attacking his sister and he wanted to explain how it was about his niece and why Cindy was acting the way she was. He was much more specific with his suggestions to Cindy in the emails, on the boards he mostly tried to explain how Cindy had tried to keep the family intact even though Casey was out of control. I don't remember any rants. I just think it was all done out of concern for her reputation, at the time he couldn't have had any idea how far this would go and probably still believed if he could set the record straight she would still have a life to go on with once this was over.

If I had been Rick I would have been the one to feel hurt at her defensive attitude. Here he opened himself up to all sorts of criticism to try to help her and all she did was lacerate him. The arrow goes both ways.

I agree with this as well. I would do the same I think. Rick wasn't the only one on the mbs either IMO. We know that there were printed out pages from WS I think it was in CAs trash..maybe from when that lady stole it? so she was out there, not sure if she was ever posting but who knows. there were people even here that made themselves look like they were or could be CA or related. Rick was himself, and I think he wante to clear HIS family's name or the image that was being portrayed of them with the MB community.

[sunstar]

I would prefer one of them to be the call from Cindy where Casey states "you are all about Caylee, what about me." "There is no sense in talking to you."

Oh I'm sure they could find a place for that one too ~ along with some more of those self-serving statements she made from jail, where she's more concerned about herself than finding Caylee. :smile: MOO

[AbbyNormal]

TY :biggrin:

I just don't get it...everyone in the world that questions Cindy is bashing. I guess LE bashed her too...and the FBI...and Tim, and everyone that does not smile and nod like some idiot everytime she makes a statement.

I am really curious, those that just think Cindy walks on water, what do you think about her trying to get that braclet to Casey. It is clearly against the rules of the jail...it was sneaky, and what purpose was it to serve?

honestly interested in opinions on that issue, from both 'sides'The bracelet thing? I think it was CinA's way of saying to Casey (had it succeeded)-- "I can still get to you. Don't talk" (Remember she tried to get a Bible to Casey with her picture in it)?

jmo

[cady]

I think KC was responsible for Caylee's death from all the information I have read. I don't agree with the method the family has handled this tragic event.

Having said all that, I can't believe all the posts complaining about the memorial for Caylee. Right after the body was found and especially since LE released the body, everybody has been complaining about having a service for Caylee. Now that one is planned, most everybody is griping about the way it is being handled. Please let this family get some closure without all the bickering. There will be plenty of time after this and during the trial to post our thoughts. JMO

Yeah, okay...I get all that but...
I've been around a long time and have NEVER heard of a memorial service being held BEFORE a funeral. What cave have I been living in?

This little girl should be laid to rest. She deserves that, imo. Not laying in a cardboard box on some shelf. THEN have the memorial service.

Are they hoping to get some money for the funeral? Is that it? No, because any funeral director would bury that baby with no money up front.

So why? I'm sorry if this offends anybody but I just can't get past that. In my opinion there is some ulterior motive for this and it has nothing to do with Caylee.

Cynic that I am...People magazine goes to press on Wednesday.

jmo

[VII]

Conway did say that some people, and they know who they are, are not welcome. Further he said that should they show up they will be denied entrance.

Nice of them to let the UNwelcome know they are UNwelcome beFORE they show up at the Church.
Looks like it is up to the UNwelcome, at this point, to NOT make this a fiasco ...
Hope Lenny is listening.

[Beach~Tenant]

Unfortunately she brings it on herself. If she would let it go, it would stop.

she's very passionate in her beliefs...alot like me :wink:

[SavannahStar]

Yeah, okay...I get all that but...
I've been around a long time and have NEVER heard of a memorial service being held BEFORE a funeral. What cave have I been living in?

*snipped*



Not at all unheard of. Search my posts....yesterday morning I addressed this.

[Neffy]

Conway did say that some people, and they know who they are, are not welcome. Further he said that should they show up they will be denied entrance.


Correct. Security knows who they are and they will be removed from the property. That is wicked. I can see someone making trouble removed but not "the list" of undesirables. Quite vengeful especially since their spite it directed at persons that did not murder Caylee.

[sunstar]

Conway did say that some people, and they know who they are, are not welcome. Further he said that should they show up they will be denied entrance.

Aside from LP, who admits he's on that list, I wonder who else is ~ such as TM, RK, and whoever else believed that Caylee wasn't alive? I'd imagine the Grund family wouldn't be welcomed either. :shrug: MOO

[SavannahStar]

Unfortunately she brings it on herself. If she would let it go, it would stop.

Let WHAT go? Should I tell you to "let it go"? Sheesh.

[marinewife5]

The bracelet thing? I think it was CinA's way of saying to Casey (had it succeeded)-- "I can still get to you. Don't talk" (Remember she tried to get a Bible to Casey with her picture in it)?

jmo

and couldn't she as easily given it to jose to give to casey at the courthouse to wear? why sneak it in the jail (or try to)?jmo

[nc1948]

I believe in the beginning, George tried to get cindy to understand what she was doing wrong, and they themselves might need a lawyer if she continues.
jmo

I believe that George with Cindy searched under the stepping stones and playhouse in their back yard looking for Caylee. Then George drives around a billboard advertising for people to call in sightings. (phone number was a non working number) So George was also playing the game. We know she is dead but we want everyone but us to continue to look for a live Caylee. She sure would not have been alive if they had found her under the playhouse or paving stones.

[Motomom]

I think KC was responsible for Caylee's death from all the information I have read. I don't agree with the method the family has handled this tragic event.

Having said all that, I can't believe all the posts complaining about the memorial for Caylee. Right after the body was found and especially since LE released the body, everybody has been complaining about having a service for Caylee. Now that one is planned, most everybody is griping about the way it is being handled. Please let this family get some closure without all the bickering. There will be plenty of time after this and during the trial to post our thoughts. JMO

Yes noanswer in respects to the memorial, they were damned if they do and damned if they don't IMO. Some of the same people all over that are disagreeing about it, will surely be watching it IMO. I am upset to be missing it myself. I had all intentions of watching it and hope I'll be able to catch it online afterwards.

[SavannahStar]

she's very passionate in her beliefs...alot like me :wink:


Of course. We all post what we believe in. To have those beliefs ridiculed simply because of our nic is terrible! I may disagree with what someone posts, believes in, but I take care to address that (usually!) and not the poster.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Even though it is a public service the Church is private property and they have the right to refuse entrance to anyone they consider detrimental to the service. Has anyone seen the so called uninvited list? My feeling is that someone who thinks they are on list won't show up anyway and then say they were on the list. Friday night on NG lenny said he was the only one on the list so that is why he might be out on Suburban Tuesday morning.

JMO

BROOKS: Leonard Padilla, bounty hunter, are you on that list?

PADILLA: The thing I was told, that I`m the only name on the list so far. There`s talk that they`re going to add Marc Klaas and Dakota`s (ph) grandmother to it. But so far, I`m the only one on the list that has been told officially that I cannot appear. Which, OK, that`s fine. As far as I`m concerned, it`s Cindy`s memorial, not Caylee`s.

BROOKS: Who`s making this list, do you know?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/06/ng.01.html


Caylee Anthony service: Will focus be on the victim?
Padilla said he hasn't spoken with the family, but that Cindy Anthony told his nephew that he was not supposed to be present at the First Baptist Church of Orlando.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/02/caylee-anthony-service-will-focus-be-on-the-victim.html

[marinewife5]

I believe that George with Cindy searched under the stepping stones and playhouse in their back yard looking for Caylee. Then George drives around a billboard advertising for people to call in sightings. (phone number was a non working number) So George was also playing the game. We know she is dead but we want everyone but us to continue to look for a live Caylee. She sure would not have been alive if they had found her under the playhouse or paving stones.

it's sad to say, but a live, missing child garners more donations than a deceased one...they only have the one shot at the "memorial" tuesday to rake in the dough. this family is so transparent it disgusts me. caylee will be remembered by many for years to come, whether we are "pure of heart" or not.

jmo

[AbbyNormal]

That thought has crossed my mind as well. I have kicked around the possibilty that after Caylee was killed, the family went into cover up mode, and helped hide her body.I am still on the fence as to who is responsible for Caylee's death. I think Casey and/or CinA either one could have done this and still go on as though nothing had happened.

It is all so sad.....

jmo

[sunstar]

and couldn't she as easily given it to jose to give to casey at the courthouse to wear? why sneak it in the jail (or try to)?jmo

I think she'd still be told to remove the bracelet, from what I've heard, inmates aren't supposed to wear anything like that, especially to court. It kind of goes along with her wearing that 'find Caylee' tshirt while she was out on house arrest to make herself look innocent. MOO

[SavannahStar]

Cady, the public memorial has nothing to do with laying Caylee to rest, it has more to do with publicity for the defense and making money.

Cindy used the media to announce part of her plan for the 'foundation' but she uses Caylees memorial to get the john henry to do that.

It should be ALL about Caylee, not about her murderer mother, or her grandparents plan to get an income from her tragic life and death.

I agree with your opinion, very much so.

Ummmmmmmm, have you seen the memorial yet? How do you know it will be more to do with publicity for the defense? Why don't we wait and see? Or......oh yeh, I get it, you are basing your opinion on the one news article today, re the "euglogy." Got it. Okay.

[nc1948]

Yeah, okay...I get all that but...
I've been around a long time and have NEVER heard of a memorial service being held BEFORE a funeral. What cave have I been living in?

This little girl should be laid to rest. She deserves that, imo. Not laying in a cardboard box on some shelf. THEN have the memorial service.

Are they hoping to get some money for the funeral? Is that it? No, because any funeral director would bury that baby with no money up front.

So why? I'm sorry if this offends anybody but I just can't get past that. In my opinion there is some ulterior motive for this and it has nothing to do with Caylee.

Cynic that I am...People magazine goes to press on Wednesday.

jmo

Conway statement said body had been released, but Cindy had been to busy satisfying the public need for a memorial to take care of the funeral. Priorities. No money at private funeral, possibility of money at public memorial.

[eagleeer]

*Bolding mine

Be fair, eagleeer, we don't know that. Have you ever had to live with a sociopath? They don't spring into life full grown, they start early and there's really not anything a parent can do about it. It's not enabling, it's survival. They couldn't throw her out at age five, what could they do, chain her to her bed? These days a parent can't even attempt tough love without having the law on them.
Just as a point of reference here, do you think an autistic child having a meltdown is a brat? In his own way a sociopath is just as unable to be socialized. How would you manage each of them?

I am sorry, you are talking apples and oranges and I choose not to have verbal warfare here with anyone. Thank you for your response though.

I am editing my statement to say that what SayWHAT03 posted melts well with my opinion of the matter.
Eagle

[nothingnew]

Even though it is a public service the Church is private property and they have the right to refuse entrance to anyone they consider detrimental to the service. Has anyone seen the so called uninvited list? My feeling is that someone who thinks they are on list won't show up anyway and then say they were on the list. Friday night on NG lenny said he was the only one on the list so that is why he might be out on Suburban Tuesday morning.

JMO

The only 'disinvite' that I have seen, sort of, is the email to Lois from cindy. The whole "pure of heart" business seems out of place and I would think that the "Church" would keep track of the way it is perceived by the public and GOD. I think in Florida there are tons of attorneys and NO proofreaders, maybe there is no money in that profession?
I do agree that there will be a lot of people that truly cared about Caylee that will be absent. OK-I know those weren't your exact words but that's my take on attendance for the "show". (please remember-NO CAMPING OUT!)

[sunstar]

I am still on the fence as to who is responsible for Caylee's death. I think Casey and/or CinA either one could have done this and still go on as though nothing had happened.

It is all so sad.....

jmo

I can't imagine Casey sitting in a jail cell for her mother. MOO

[Dells]

I agree Puff. I don't know what the big deal is with the pictures. If you go through mine you will see much the same of my granddaughter (she lives with us too). Pics in silly sunglasses, in the pool, with an easter basket and so on. People tend to grab the camera when kids are doing those things. And the Anthony's had LOTS of pictures, meaning to me that they were always looking at Caylee. I think she was very much loved by her grandparents and possibly a wee bit spoiled too, but that is the right of grandparents. My problem with them comes into play AFTER they discovered she was missing (and probably knowing she was already dead). They didn't and have not shown much respect or attention to her then (IMO). I've said it before, I believe they loved Caylee with all their hearts, in life. In death they deserted her. And I believe that is the difference in them and most other people out there.

JMO

Bolding mine....

Great post! Sadly, I totally agree w/the part that I bolded.:sad:

[Neffy]

Conway statement said body had been released, but Cindy had been to busy satisfying the public need for a memorial to take care of the funeral. Priorities. No money at private funeral, possibility of money at public memorial.


Like Conway said. It's just the type of people they are :)
Their public awaits.

[SavannahStar]

I doubt she has relied on any sympathy or compassion thrown her way by the public. But for what its worsh she still has my compassion and sympathy.

Mine too, Exiled.

GOOD, as always, to see you.

[della_17_99]

i've messed up starting a new thread more times than i can remember... :blushing:

Thanks, callmetree... I've been ducking under my desk waiting for the flame throwers!:laugh:

[Regina.Lampert]

Yep, ITA. Takes me back to the LKL interview (the day before Caylee's remains were found).

You would think the last words out of her mouth would be something like, "Please, whoever has my granddaughter, please, we will do anything to get her back."

But no.... she had to get a jab in at Nancy Grace. Paraphrasing here... After Caylee is found, no one is going to watch Nancy Grace, said with a childish, vengeful smirk.

Exactly, and george went on to criticize law enfocement. The same law enforcement that spent days on their hands and knees in order to find every single bone of their granddaughter and return them so they could have a funeral.

[nc1948]

Yes noanswer in respects to the memorial, they were damned if they do and damned if they don't IMO. Some of the same people all over that are disagreeing about it, will surely be watching it IMO. I am upset to be missing it myself. I had all intentions of watching it and hope I'll be able to catch it online afterwards.

I will not watch. I believe that funeral and memorials are for mourners that knew the person when they were alive. I do not attend funerals or memorials of people I do not know.

[happygert]

I think there will be a lot of people there without the "purest of hearts" and one of them is KFN.

imo

Yes im sure there will be more then that.......they need to look in there own hearts...jmo...

[crymeariver2006]

I can't imagine Casey sitting in a jail cell for her mother. MOO


Or anyone else for that matter.

She would have spilled her guts on Day 1....excuse me, Day 31 if ANYBODY else was involved in the murder.

[AbbyNormal]

If it turns out to be true, I'll be very surprised.

I don't think they knew until Caylee's remains had long been disposed of. One thing the searching in the backyard indicates to me is...they certainly thought Casey was capable of fatally harming Caylee and covering it up.
That's possible too. They sure didn't find their morals under those pavers though!

jmo