Saturday, February 7

[8BellesFan]

No I wouln't...honest....:biggrin:....But i understand and appreciate your feelings.....

I would not miss Lenny either. Google is not his friend. I also think the bail set things back a little. I don't like the fact that Casey was able to spend so much time in the house getting her story straight with her family. JMO

[RiverWalk]

thanks RiverWalk! :)

and the link too... excellent!

YW. Jesse's interview is a good read.

[Barbara fl.]

My daughter is on the phone calling from Pa...I'll rush her off the phone and be right back......Oh, I need help.....

[8BellesFan]

missed this before. small piece of hair on shovel. sorry if it has been discussed.

[cady]

For little Caylee. :rose:

Hope the defense doesn't get a change of venue like they are wanting.

Baez will probably ask to bring the trial to Miami-Dade. I know I would if I was him.

First of all, Mike Walsh, (the appeals attorney Baez works with) and Terry Lenamon , are based here.

And more importantly..... the large population of Hispanics. We have more Hispanics in south Florida than anywhere else in the state and a very large portions of them are laborors who are poorly educated.
And please understand that my statement is, in no way meant to be derogatory, it is based in fact and statistics.

However, I seriously doubt he will get the change of venue since this case is constantly in the papers and on the news in this state so his arguement will fall flat.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Baez's accent becomes a little stronger depending on the jury.....much like Henry Lee when he takes the stand.....anyone remember the Michael Peterson trial?

Of course, this is just my opinion.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama

[Cinsd]

Oh, I absolutely believe there is a list. Cindy is in her glory here, acting like the the hostess of an A-list party.

I also think that there is an undercurrent here that folks are not picking up on...the People Mag article mentioned that Casey and Cindy had something of a competition over who was the better mother to Caylee. Cindy was the first to hold the baby after she was born (which really steamed Casey) and she encouraged Caylee to call her 'Mommy' right in front of Casey. Jesse said that Cindy was deliberately trying to get under Casey's skin.

Isn't it possible that Cindy sees this as her last opportunity for one-upsmanship on Casey? She plans the baby's funeral, all by herself, with no input from Casey. Wow. Won't THAT rub Casey's nose in it???

I would not be surprised if the ceremony is filled with pictures of Cindy, George, and Caylee, with minimal mention of Casey. I would also not be surprised if Casey chooses not to watch it.

I'm hoping the feds w/handcuffs are waiting outside the gates when the A's leave & arrest them on obstruction charges.

[~tj~]

LOL, that's okay dear, I won't hold that against you. I just like listening to him and I know a lot of what he says is just supposition, but I would really like to come to know him better. I'll bet he has seen some very interesting things in his lifetime. The first time I knew he was full of it was when he said he'd get Casey to talk. Get her out of jail, take her home and she could have a nice long bath, nails done, etc. or whatever it was he came up with and then she'd want to talk. I said to myself, "Uh-uh----no, no, she's not gonna talk." But all in all, I can't help but like Lenny. Things are more interesting with him in this and whether ALL of us realize it or not, if he weren't in the mix, we'd miss him----even if it was just a little. JMO

I wouldn't miss him one little tiny bit! Maybe take a vote. That guy IMO is out for money and money only. He doesn't give a hoot about Caylee. He just wants to be in the spotlight.:thumbdown:

[Unperson1984]

I think they are out trying to confuse and muddle the issue before the rest of the tests results are revealed. Once all the tests are back and IF KC's fingerprints are on the tape/garbage bag, there is no way they can spin "a fugitive defense". JMO

I don't think any member of the jury will need to go beyond the undisputed fact that Casey never reported her child was missing. There is simply no rational explanation other than Casey committed the murder.

[Forensicpsy1]

I don't know that many people who are as interested in the case as I am either so it is very nice to have a place to come to where everybody is interested and keeps up on all the developments!! :wub:

That's what brought me to the boards.

I couldn't get anyone to discuss Scott Peterson with me. :crying:




imo

[sunstar]

Then they should be able to match up the dirt from the crime scene....even if Casey cleaned it out...it never gets cleaned that good....

I'm hoping that they can link something from that crime scene with Casey....and i'm pretty sure they can....otherwise LKB is going to have a ball (not that it will wash) but she will enjoy trying to confuse the jurors......

Maybe I've watched too much CSI or Forensic Files, but I think that car would've had to be extremely detailed to have removed all the "evidence".

[sunstar]

exactly... and i kinda think she left her purse out on the seat in hopes of someone breaking into it and either just stealing whatever was in it (getting their fingerprints and dna all over it) or better yet stealing the car altogether.

Why else would she leave her purse on the seat in plain view... that sounds like BAIT to me.

JMO :)

Yes, that's what I think too. The purse, clothing, shoes, child car seat, and so many temptations! :biggrin:

[spageddy]

I know.....thank goodness that we all have each other on this board..:biggrin::


Oh, bless all your hearts. I thought I was the only one getting the " oh, no, not caylee again!" chit. I point out that since there are reports about this case on almost ALL the news shows- someone other than me must be interested. Would Nancy Grace have every show since June focus on one single case if I was the only one watching? I may be obsessed, but at least I'm not alone. Actually I prefer to think I'm "concerned" like most of you.:wub:

[?noanswer]

Baez will probably ask to bring the trial to Miami-Dade. I know I would if I was him.

First of all, Mike Walsh, (the appeals attorney Baez works with) and Terry Lenamon , are based here.

And more importantly..... the large population of Hispanics. We have more Hispanics in south Florida than anywhere else in the state and a very large portions of them are laborors who are poorly educated.
And please understand that my statement is, in no way meant to be derogatory, it is based in fact and statistics.

However, I seriously doubt he will get the change of venue since this case is constantly in the papers and on the news in this state so his arguement will fall flat.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Baez's accent becomes a little stronger depending on the jury.....much like Henry Lee when he takes the stand.....anyone remember the Michael Peterson trial?

Of course, this is just my opinion.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama


If the majority of the jurors speak Spanish, would JB be allowed to use that language? If so, would they have to have an interpretor for the rest of the participants in the trial? JMO

[Unperson1984]

Baez will probably ask to bring the trial to Miami-Dade. I know I would if I was him.

First of all, Mike Walsh, (the appeals attorney Baez works with) and Terry Lenamon , are based here.

And more importantly..... the large population of Hispanics. We have more Hispanics in south Florida than anywhere else in the state and a very large portions of them are laborors who are poorly educated.
And please understand that my statement is, in no way meant to be derogatory, it is based in fact and statistics.

However, I seriously doubt he will get the change of venue since this case is constantly in the papers and on the news in this state so his arguement will fall flat.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Baez's accent becomes a little stronger depending on the jury.....much like Henry Lee when he takes the stand.....anyone remember the Michael Peterson trial?

Of course, this is just my opinion.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama

The other edge of that sword is that Hispanics tend to be very child and family oriented, they won't like Casey's lifestyle when Caylee was missing.

[bchand]

Baez will probably ask to bring the trial to Miami-Dade. I know I would if I was him.

First of all, Mike Walsh, (the appeals attorney Baez works with) and Terry Lenamon , are based here.

And more importantly..... the large population of Hispanics. We have more Hispanics in south Florida than anywhere else in the state and a very large portions of them are laborors who are poorly educated.
And please understand that my statement is, in no way meant to be derogatory, it is based in fact and statistics.

However, I seriously doubt he will get the change of venue since this case is constantly in the papers and on the news in this state so his arguement will fall flat.

I also wouldn't be surprised if Baez's accent becomes a little stronger depending on the jury.....much like Henry Lee when he takes the stand.....anyone remember the Michael Peterson trial?

Of course, this is just my opinion.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama


Hi cady - we've thought about that before too. You have to remember though that the murderer is accusing an HISAPANIC woman and possibly her sister of kidnapping Caylee. How's that going to go over with that jury?

[sunstar]

I don't think any member of the jury will need to go beyond the undisputed fact that Casey never reported her child was missing. There is simply no rational explanation other than Casey committed the murder.

GMTA :smile: that's what I just said!

[apothecary]

Nothing changes the fact that Caylee was one precious little punkinhead and how anyone could kill her is beyond me.My brain just can not fathom it ,whether it is fogged with wine or not.It must have been like a vision came from the dead when her grandparents said they had not see her since June 9th and then a video appears from June 15th showing her alive and singing 'You are my sunshine..."That video really really hits my gut..Such a precious little girl.What a waste....

[Cinsd]

Can someone refresh my memory real quick about a certain event?

What date was it that Casey showed up at I think it was Jesses place, no Caylee and she wanted to take a shower?

thanks in advance :)

July 1st
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/03%20Jesse%20Grund%20July%2023,%202008(1).pdf
page 19

[Ionmhainn]

Just reading along here, as I do every day. Re the memorial service...and funeral for that matter...these "rituals" are ...always ...for the living, so I have no problem with that. Not so long ago, when it was reported that it would all be private, that caused an uproar too!
Hopefully those who do choose to attend will be going out of respect for Caylee. Those who would show up at a memorial service to cause trouble...well, I don't think I need go any further with that thought....

I also hope that Lenny will have an "attack of class," tuck his bottom lip back in... and stay well away.
mo

[Mamie]

I wouldn't miss him one little tiny bit! Maybe take a vote. That guy IMO is out for money and money only. He doesn't give a hoot about Caylee. He just wants to be in the spotlight.:thumbdown:


I do not believe he doesn't give a hoot about Caylee, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're wrong about that, as I'm entitled to mine, I know. You have to admit though, this board does spend a fair amount of time talking about LP. So without him, there'd be one less person to complain about. JMO

[sunstar]

The other edge of that sword is that Hispanics tend to be very child and family oriented, they won't like Casey's lifestyle when Caylee was missing.

I agree. Even though Baez is Hispanic, I don't think Hispanic jurors will find sympathy for Casey not reporting Caylee missing, her lifestyle afterward, blaming ZFG for the abduction/murder, and having this "dream team" of high-priced forensic experts. MOO

[IM4Truth]

If the majority of the jurors speak Spanish, would JB be allowed to use that language? If so, would they have to have an interpretor for the rest of the participants in the trial? JMO

I've been called for jury duty several times but never chosen (not because I was already convinced of guilt or innocence) but I have heard them question Hispanics if they clearly understand the English language, so no, I don't think they would be speaking Spanish in court. Also, just because we have a large population of Hispanics, the many times I have been to both court houses, I have seen a variety of ethnic groups.

[RiverWalk]

missed this before. small piece of hair on shovel. sorry if it has been discussed.

Right. Was not Casey's according to the documents.

[cassidy]

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Oh, bless all your hearts. I thought I was the only one getting the " oh, no, not caylee again!" chit. I point out that since there are reports about this case on almost ALL the news shows- someone other than me must be interested. Would Nancy Grace have every show since June focus on one single case if I was the only one watching? I may be obsessed, but at least I'm not alone. Actually I prefer to think I'm "concerned" like most of you.:wub:

Joining in with the rest of you. Anytime I even mention the case I get MAJOR rolling eyes. And a "get over it already". I pumped my nephew from Florida, who happens to be a lawyer, for law information when he was home at Christmas. He was very nice, answered all my questions, then went home and told his Dad I was obsessed. LOL

[Roux]

Then they should be able to match up the dirt from the crime scene....even if Casey cleaned it out...it never gets cleaned that good....

I'm hoping that they can link something from that crime scene with Casey....and i'm pretty sure they can....otherwise LKB is going to have a ball (not that it will wash) but she will enjoy trying to confuse the jurors......

Remember in the McGuire case they found tissue/blood in the driver side floor of Bill's car, even tho Melanie had cleaned the apt so thoroughly. So even something tiny and unseen to the naked eye can be found.

[8BellesFan]

I do not believe he doesn't give a hoot about Caylee, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're wrong about that, as I'm entitled to mine, I know. You have to admit though, this board does spend a fair amount of time talking about LP. So without him, there'd be one less person to complain about. JMO


I talk about him

http://www.truveo.com/Padilla-May-Not-Own-Land-Homeless-Are-Camping-on/id/2209342494

[Mamie]

If the majority of the jurors speak Spanish, would JB be allowed to use that language? If so, would they have to have an interpretor for the rest of the participants in the trial? JMO

If he were allowed to speak Spanish, they'd have to have an interpreter for the duration of the trial for everyone, Prosecution and Casey included. Great question!

[cady]

Oh I'm sure he will. He's just been too busy. You know. With all these talkshows and stuff and looking for the one arm nanny .. :rolleyes:


:thumbsup:
Oh...Thank You... I needed that!

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama

[apothecary]

I think that little girl in her 2 years plus a few months had more empathy and feeling for others (poppa are you tired) than anyone one else in that family and showed to me that she would have amounted to more than any other member of that family.She was intelligent and aware and again I say what a waste.....

[WillowInFlight]

Remember in the McGuire case they found tissue/blood in the driver side floor of Bill's car, even tho Melanie had cleaned the apt so thoroughly. So even something tiny and unseen to the naked eye can be found.

Was that also the case where the garbage bags did her in? didn't they run tests and determined the ones that were found with Bill, did in fact either come from her home or her place of work. I can't remember which.

[IM4Truth]

I think we get a lot of extraneous stuff though. And some stuff that may not even be admissable at trial. They will hear the most important facts with no "fluff." Granted, that will still be A LOT of facts, but they won't have to sort through much of the non-important info that we know about. IMO.

Playing catch up here on earlier posts. Can you imagine what it would be like to have to sit there and listen to all the scientific stuff about the weeds and the bugs! One time when I was questioned for a jury, it was about a malfunctioning cruise control on a car. I asked how much we would have to know about car mechanics and they explained that it would be up to the court to "educate" us on things like that. Sorry, but I get mental blocks when it comes to anything mechanical. I think I would do the same thing with the science of the weeds and insects!

[Roux]

Was that also the case where the garbage bags did her in? didn't they run tests and determined the ones that were found with Bill, did in fact either come from her home or her place of work. I can't remember which.

Yep,same garbage bags from her home. Blanket was same as from her work.

[PuffDragon]

IIRC, the Amscot is in walking distance of the A's house. JMO


Thanks ?no, I thought I'd heard that before but I couldn't remember for sure. I suppose that could be pertinent. I think there's a cell phone call to TonE about the time she called him to pick her up, am I right? so that we have a time frame for that time, at least. She could have left the car in the lot early enough for the attendant to see it when s/he arrived, walk home, wait for George to leave the house maybe, sneak in, grab what she wanted, walk back to the parking lot, and then call TonE? Does that work?

[sunstar]

If the majority of the jurors speak Spanish, would JB be allowed to use that language? If so, would they have to have an interpretor for the rest of the participants in the trial? JMO

Where I am a person can be excused from jury duty if they aren't fluent enough in English to understand the proceedings and I think it's the same in most places. I don't think Baez would be allowed to speak Spanish or any other language but English. And when a witness doesn't speak English there usually is an interpreter assigned by the court. MOO

[WillowInFlight]

Yep,same garbage bags from her home. Blanket was same as from her work.

Thats right, thanks. I found myself distracted by "hunk man" Joe a lot during that trial. :sneaky:

[IM4Truth]

I agree sunstar... i don't think she was out of gas and had to push the car... wouldnt that person have come forward by now if anyone helped her push the car?

I think she just got rid of it because the smell was becoming unbearable...she was probably very low on gas like you said and just parked it there.

It the car wasn't on empty, why did George have to go back home to get gas before he could get the car out of impound?

[RiverWalk]

This is totally off the wall. I was just talking to my friend's daughter. She's 22. I was talking about this case. She'd never heard about it. She's in college and working. I explained, a little. I asked her about the "shovel" search. She perked up and led me to this myspace page.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=14316203

Listen to #4 (soul of a player) and #1 (Introduction) YIKES.

Weird, but who the heck looks up "Shovel" on the net other than something like this????


I wish we new more about the totality about those searches.

[PuffDragon]

I'm leaning to believe that the Amscot mgr. was mistaken rather than Tony lying or being misleading about what happened that morning, since the cell records also show Casey in more than one location that morning. I agree with you though about Casey getting something out of the house if George was home, unless he was still asleep. MOO

I think TonE's recollection is right because there's a listing for Casey calling him about that time to go pick her up. Maybe she hung around the house waiting for George to go out... maybe he regularly went out for the paper in the morning or a donut or something?

[IM4Truth]

Where I am a person can be excused from jury duty if they aren't fluent enough in English to understand the proceedings and I think it's the same in most places. I don't think Baez could be conducting the trial in Spanish or any other language but English. MOO

Yes, it's still America even if it is Miami!

[Roux]

Other than LP, has it been reported who might not be allowed in the church? Specifically I'm wondering about Tim, the Grund family and Mr. NeJame. Also what about her brother Rick?
Wouldn't one think that Cindy would have the grace and dignity to let bygones be bygone at this point? What harm could it do to let those people show their respect & love for Caylee.
Conway's statement about this being for Caylee made me :cursing: If it was about Caylee all those people should be able to attend.

[Barbara fl.]

Remember in the McGuire case they found tissue/blood in the driver side floor of Bill's car, even tho Melanie had cleaned the apt so thoroughly. So even something tiny and unseen to the naked eye can be found.



I do believe that they will be able to match something from that car to the scene....even Beary said (before he retired) that they found evidence....I sure hope it's something that is concrete and can not be argued away by the defense....

[Mamie]

Joining in with the rest of you. Anytime I even mention the case I get MAJOR rolling eyes. And a "get over it already". I pumped my nephew from Florida, who happens to be a lawyer, for law information when he was home at Christmas. He was very nice, answered all my questions, then went home and told his Dad I was obsessed. LOL

I mention little bits (shocking stuff) to one person at work who does listen to news and knows about the case and then the others want to know the latest but they don't care to tune in and hear for themselves so basically I have nobody else either to discuss this with. A friend of mine always says she wants to know but if she really wanted to know, she'd look up things for herself so I just kind of blow her off and tell her now that there's nothing new until the trial starts. Too much to tell someone who's really not interested.

[Roux]

P.R. lawyer conway, conroy whatever , was he always paralyzed? wheelchair bound. . I was wondering if he requires an attendant? I have never seen one , and also his chair is not electric. Did he have a terrible accident?
#2 question. I could almost swear when Zanaida was first identified it was stated in her description she was not employed at the time. yet her lawyer said she lost her job because of the celebrity. does anyone know. thanks gogo

Re Brad Conway, I read the other day it was a surfing accident many years ago.

[PuffDragon]

LOL, that's okay dear, I won't hold that against you. I just like listening to him and I know a lot of what he says is just supposition, but I would really like to come to know him better. I'll bet he has seen some very interesting things in his lifetime. The first time I knew he was full of it was when he said he'd get Casey to talk. Get her out of jail, take her home and she could have a nice long bath, nails done, etc. or whatever it was he came up with and then she'd want to talk. I said to myself, "Uh-uh----no, no, she's not gonna talk." But all in all, I can't help but like Lenny. Things are more interesting with him in this and whether ALL of us realize it or not, if he weren't in the mix, we'd miss him----even if it was just a little. JMO

*Bolding mine

I like him too, as long as I don't have to depend on anything he says. I like his attitude with NG, and that he continues to be available even when she only talks to him for three minutes in the whole show. I too remember how he thought he would get Casey to talk that easily and knew he was deluded, but it made me think, woohoo, here's this big tough bounty hunter and he's as naive as a 13 year old.........

[Barbara fl.]

I would not miss Lenny either. Google is not his friend. I also think the bail set things back a little. I don't like the fact that Casey was able to spend so much time in the house getting her story straight with her family. JMO


Exactly...I think that maybe if Casey had been made to stay in jail from the beginning, that just maybe something would have been a little difference in the case right now......IMO, LP should have minded his business and stayed a bounty hunter.......instead of playing detective..JMO

[sunstar]

I think TonE's recollection is right because there's a listing for Casey calling him about that time to go pick her up. Maybe she hung around the house waiting for George to go out... maybe he regularly went out for the paper in the morning or a donut or something?

Yes, that's what I think too. Either he was still sleeping or she waited until he went out somewhere before sneaking into the house. MOO

[Susie419]

LOL, that's okay dear, I won't hold that against you. I just like listening to him and I know a lot of what he says is just supposition, but I would really like to come to know him better. I'll bet he has seen some very interesting things in his lifetime. The first time I knew he was full of it was when he said he'd get Casey to talk. Get her out of jail, take her home and she could have a nice long bath, nails done, etc. or whatever it was he came up with and then she'd want to talk. I said to myself, "Uh-uh----no, no, she's not gonna talk." But all in all, I can't help but like Lenny. Things are more interesting with him in this and whether ALL of us realize it or not, if he weren't in the mix, we'd miss him----even if it was just a little. JMO
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Me too Mamie, at first I was really mad at him for being the one trying to get her out, it was funny how he thought HE could make her talk when noboby else could, but after all said and done, I find him immensely entertaining, and I'm so glad he had the opportunity to slap that Momma back in prison by revoking bond.
I take his views with a grain of salt, but lets face it, he got closer to totmom than anyone else, and is able to give us a peek-a-boo from where he once sat, inside the A's home. I believe him.:thumbup:

[cassidy]

I mention little bits (shocking stuff) to one person at work who does listen to news and knows about the case and then the others want to know the latest but they don't care to tune in and hear for themselves so basically I have nobody else either to discuss this with. A friend of mine always says she wants to know but if she really wanted to know, she'd look up things for herself so I just kind of blow her off and tell her now that there's nothing new until the trial starts. Too much to tell someone who's really not interested.

Too much to tell and it all sounds so crazy.

[PuffDragon]

It's a very very long walk, there are at least 3 other Amscots between the 1 the car was left at and the A's house.

Really? Hmmm, then I don't think my theory will work. I can't see Casey hoofing it that far, both ways.

[Barbara fl.]

I think they are out trying to confuse and muddle the issue before the rest of the tests results are revealed. Once all the tests are back and IF KC's fingerprints are on the tape/garbage bag, there is no way they can spin "a fugitive defense". JMO


For sure, if casey's prints are on the bags or the tape it will be a slam dunk....at which point the defense would be wise to talk Casey or at least try and talk Casey into pleading guilty and throwing herself at the mercy of the court (which I hope that none will be given her).....JMOO

[WillowInFlight]

P.R. lawyer conway, conroy whatever , was he always paralyzed? wheelchair bound. . I was wondering if he requires an attendant? I have never seen one , and also his chair is not electric. Did he have a terrible accident?
#2 question. I could almost swear when Zanaida was first identified it was stated in her description she was not employed at the time. yet her lawyer said she lost her job because of the celebrity. does anyone know. thanks gogo

I thought Zanaida worked as a housekeeper?

[Barbara fl.]

Just reading along here, as I do every day. Re the memorial service...and funeral for that matter...these "rituals" are ...always ...for the living, so I have no problem with that. Not so long ago, when it was reported that it would all be private, that caused an uproar too!
Hopefully those who do choose to attend will be going out of respect for Caylee. Those who would show up at a memorial service to cause trouble...well, I don't think I need go any further with that thought....

I also hope that Lenny will have an "attack of class," tuck his bottom lip back in... and stay well away.
mo


I feel the same as you......

[RiverWalk]

P.R. lawyer conway, conroy whatever , was he always paralyzed? wheelchair bound. . I was wondering if he requires an attendant? I have never seen one , and also his chair is not electric. Did he have a terrible accident?
#2 question. I could almost swear when Zanaida was first identified it was stated in her description she was not employed at the time. yet her lawyer said she lost her job because of the celebrity. does anyone know. thanks gogo

Brad Conway was injured years ago. ZG lost her job as a housekeeper from some sort of firm that cleans houses or motels/hotels. Best of my recollection.

[sunstar]

Yes, it's still America even if it is Miami!

I have some family down there, and it's a very big county (population wise) and not just 'little Havana'. If Baez thinks this is the place for an acquittal he might be very disappointed! :smile: MOO

[Unperson1984]

Other than LP, has it been reported who might not be allowed in the church? Specifically I'm wondering about Tim, the Grund family and Mr. NeJame. Also what about her brother Rick?
Wouldn't one think that Cindy would have the grace and dignity to let bygones be bygone at this point? What harm could it do to let those people show their respect & love for Caylee.
Conway's statement about this being for Caylee made me :cursing: If it was about Caylee all those people should be able to attend.

I wish the Anthonys would take this opportunity to mend some bridges they've burned.

[sunstar]

I thought Zanaida worked as a housekeeper?

I think she said she was a crew supervisor for a cleaning company and was fired after the case broke. MOO

[PuffDragon]

exactly... and i kinda think she left her purse out on the seat in hopes of someone breaking into it and either just stealing whatever was in it (getting their fingerprints and dna all over it) or better yet stealing the car altogether.

Why else would she leave her purse on the seat in plain view... that sounds like BAIT to me.

JMO :)

Cindy was the one who brought up that Casey's purse was in the car, but was that ever actually confirmed? I don't remember seeing a purse listed by LE as being in the contents of the car.

[IM4Truth]

Well I'm in FL. If I were called I would honestly tell them I could not be unbiased...that I have an opinion already.

What I really pray for is that all prospective jurors would be truthful during voir dire. Hope I spelled that right..I think that is the juror questioning process?

And I HOPE one of the questions is "do you participate on any message boards about this crime?" :sneaky: I think most of us have made up our mind as to her guilt. I've not seen anyone who has said they think she is not guilty. I have seen one or two who occasionally play "devil's advocate" and seem to consider both sides.

For the vast majority of us, her guilt is obvious. Nothing wrong with that at all. But I don't think we could serve on the jury in all good conscience.

IMO of course.

Even though I have already convicted her I would like to think I could listen to it all with an open mind. Let's say that was possible (NOT) but what if I could but it wasn't proven beyond reasonable doubt! Can you imagine being on a jury and having to vote to acquit her, knowing what you know but it couldn't be proven? Understand what I am saying?

[WillowInFlight]

I wish the Anthonys would take this opportunity to mend some bridges they've burned.

I think that may take some time and a lot of soul searching by them.

[cady]

Hi cady - we've thought about that before too. You have to remember though that the murderer is accusing an HISAPANIC woman and possibly her sister of kidnapping Caylee. How's that going to go over with that jury?


I'm not saying that the jury, if made up of a majority of Hispanics, will not be appalled by the facts. But the real problem is that too many Hispanics in the Miami-Dade area are confused by the law and/or fear it.

Baez knows that and in my opinion, will use that confusion and/or fear to instill reasonable doubt.

A relative recently left the DA's office because: 1. she was tired of dealing with the scum of society and 2. she was tired of dealing with stupid jurors....her words not mine. Baez does not want an intelligent jury.

and no, they cannot speak any language other than English. If jurors can read and write English, understand the questions and answer in English then they can be seated.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama

[WillowInFlight]

Cindy was the one who brought up that Casey's purse was in the car, but was that ever actually confirmed? I don't remember seeing a purse listed by LE as being in the contents of the car.

Some say it was a purse others say it was like a work bag.

[bchand]

P.R. lawyer conway, conroy whatever , was he always paralyzed? wheelchair bound. . I was wondering if he requires an attendant? I have never seen one , and also his chair is not electric. Did he have a terrible accident?
#2 question. I could almost swear when Zanaida was first identified it was stated in her description she was not employed at the time. yet her lawyer said she lost her job because of the celebrity. does anyone know. thanks gogo

This info was originally on the BradConwayfor Judge page last summer but it's closed now:

"In 1981, Brad was paralyzed in a surfing accident just north of Sebastian Inlet. "

This is the only place I could still find it - post #37
http://67.19.158.169/forums/showthread.php?t=76254&page=2

[Barbara fl.]

Where I am a person can be excused from jury duty if they aren't fluent enough in English to understand the proceedings and I think it's the same in most places. I don't think Baez would be allowed to speak Spanish or any other language but English. And when a witness doesn't speak English there usually is an interpreter assigned by the court. MOO


Your right...they would never allow the defense attorney nor the prosecutors to speak another language that others didn't understand.....they would need an outside interpriter for sure....


However, I doubt that a juror of hispanic decent would be allowed by the defense to be on the jury, seeing as Casey was blaming a hispanic for kidnapping Caylee.....it would be to prejudicial.....they would find some reason not to allow them on......LKB focuses very much on the juror's, she tries to pick them very carefully....I just hope that the prosecution is just as careful.....JMOO

[Pruddennce]

She apparently told Tony her dad was going to come pick up the car and take it. What I noticed during a video tour of the area with Mark Fuhrman was a couple of gas stations right near the Amscot. I don't think she totally ran out of gas and needed the car pushed into the lot, but maybe was just really low on gas and ditched the car there because of the odor. After all, it was parked next to a dumpster! :sneaky:

she passed on Tony's offer to go get her gas. whether she actually sputtered into the lot or not, she refused his offer to go get her gas. probably because she didnt want anyone near the car.

on the 30th she does buy a gas can with Amy, but they dont go to get gas, probably because she doesnt have any money AND because again, she doesnt want anyone near the car. Amy indicates she bought the gas can. Casey was driving Tony's jeep when they went to Target to buy the gas can. so she had no intentions of going to the car with Amy.

Tony indicates she called him on 6/23 and thats when he helped her get into the family shed to get the gas cans. He indicates he watched her put the gas in her car. This was in another sub-division close to the Anthony home. This actually ties into GA discovering the theft on 6/24, or saying he did.

I am curious if this location where she ran out of gas in the anthony neighborhood was near the location where she left caylee. and if that was the actual day suspected of her putting Caylee there. the # of days of having caylee in the trunk would account for the stain in her car that GA described.

page 21 (handwritten #2381)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202321-2400%20f.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Mamie]

*Bolding mine

I like him too, as long as I don't have to depend on anything he says. I like his attitude with NG, and that he continues to be available even when she only talks to him for three minutes in the whole show. I too remember how he thought he would get Casey to talk that easily and knew he was deluded, but it made me think, woohoo, here's this big tough bounty hunter and he's as naive as a 13 year old.........

Your last line says it so well and you're absolutely right!! Thanks for the laugh.!

[bchand]

I'm not saying that the jury, if made up of a majority of Hispanics, will not be appalled by the facts. But the real problem is that too many Hispanics in the Miami-Dade area are confused by the law and/or fear it.

Baez knows that and in my opinion, will use that confusion and/or fear to instill reasonable doubt.

A relative recently left the DA's office because: 1. she was tired of dealing with the scum of society and 2. she was tired of dealing with stupid jurors....her words not mine. Baez does not want an intelligent jury.

and no, they cannot speak any language other than English. If jurors can read and write English, understand the questions and answer in English then they can be seated.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama


I see your point. It would be sad if he needs to go for an unintelligent jury.

(btw - you know you can add that last line to your signature so you don't have to keep typing it.)

[IM4Truth]

dunno maybe it was on empty but she had enough to park it.

my main thought was i don't think she pushed the car with anyone to park it so i don't think it had actually run out of gas and the engine stopped .. because I if anyone had helped her push it they would have come forward by now.

jmo

I think so too, but then again, they might not want to get involved in all of it! I think she drove it right up there and parked it knowing she would be running out of gas soon and best place to park would be by a dumpster.

[5boxersmom]

*************************************************

Me too Mamie, at first I was really mad at him for being the one trying to get her out, it was funny how he thought HE could make her talk when noboby else could, but after all said and done, I find him immensely entertaining, and I'm so glad he had the opportunity to slap that Momma back in prison by revoking bond.
I take his views with a grain of salt, but lets face it, he got closer to totmom than anyone else, and is able to give us a peek-a-boo from where he once sat, inside the A's home. I believe him.:thumbup:

Yep and Cindy and George heck I think even Lee said it. If Casey could get out of jail she would help find Caylee. Well we see how that turned out. If nothing else Lenny showed that was not true.

jmo

[PuffDragon]

It the car wasn't on empty, why did George have to go back home to get gas before he could get the car out of impound?

I think he already had them with him.

[RiverWalk]

I'm not saying that the jury, if made up of a majority of Hispanics, will not be appalled by the facts. But the real problem is that too many Hispanics in the Miami-Dade area are confused by the law and/or fear it.

Baez knows that and in my opinion, will use that confusion and/or fear to instill reasonable doubt.

A relative recently left the DA's office because: 1. she was tired of dealing with the scum of society and 2. she was tired of dealing with stupid jurors....her words not mine. Baez does not want an intelligent jury.

and no, they cannot speak any language other than English. If jurors can read and write English, understand the questions and answer in English then they can be seated.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama

Listening to Pam Bondi (Asst. State Att'y) and Jeff Brown (criminal def. att'y) . . . both have said that to move the trial to X city, the city needs to be as close as possible to the ethnic % as Orlando, Orange County. Miami doesn't "fit", imo.

[ConchGirl]

Just a little note that I love this forum and all you guys .It feels like I am among friends.My family does not want to hear any more Caylee chit and you guys are all interested in the same thing as me.Had a little glass of wine and am feelig the love...:wub:

We love you too. The fact that our families don't care about this case shows me that the odious creature can get a fair trial in Orlando. Especially after a year may pass before the trial... the coverage will certainly wane. à la vôtre

[desmom]

Brad Conway was injured years ago. ZG lost her job as a housekeeper from some sort of firm that cleans houses or motels/hotels. Best of my recollection.

http://www.wesh.com/news/17486377/detail.html reported she managed a cleaning crew.

[5boxersmom]

I think he already had them with him.

I think so too. I think he left to meet Cindy and get the money cause they would only take cash.

[Barbara fl.]

This is totally off the wall. I was just talking to my friend's daughter. She's 22. I was talking about this case. She'd never heard about it. She's in college and working. I explained, a little. I asked her about the "shovel" search. She perked up and led me to this myspace page.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=14316203

Listen to #4 (soul of a player) and #1 (Introduction) YIKES.

Weird, but who the heck looks up "Shovel" on the net other than something like this????


I wish we new more about the totality about those searches.


I just listened to the song...and that could very well have been what she looking up....because when you think about it, who would need to know anything about "shovels". they are self explanatory....

I also wonder if the person who found these searches actually looked them up to see what they could possibly be.....

Also, that music sounds like the music from a club....and it could have hit home to Casey, especially the part that say's "I messed up my whole life"......I too think it's a thought on the shovel.....

[CC I See]

When I told hubby the memorial was going to be shown Tuesday, and I'll probably watch it, He just shook his head. LOL, Then he went on some tangent that it's "people like me", That's when I tuned him out. :laugh::laugh:...... it's because of people like you who are concerned about what happened to Caylee Anthony, has kept this case from going cold. Had that happened, she might never have been found and Casey might still be home baking brownies. Too many children go missing and no one is looking.....

[RiverWalk]

http://www.wesh.com/news/17486377/detail.html reported she managed a cleaning crew.

TY. I remember her as a "cleaning" lady and lost her job. :(

[ConchGirl]

Just reading along here, as I do every day. Re the memorial service...and funeral for that matter...these "rituals" are ...always ...for the living, so I have no problem with that. Not so long ago, when it was reported that it would all be private, that caused an uproar too!
Hopefully those who do choose to attend will be going out of respect for Caylee. Those who would show up at a memorial service to cause trouble...well, I don't think I need go any further with that thought....

I also hope that Lenny will have an "attack of class," tuck his bottom lip back in... and stay well away.
mo

IMO Lenny has more class in his toothpick than Cindy could ever dream of.

[Barbara fl.]

Cindy was the one who brought up that Casey's purse was in the car, but was that ever actually confirmed? I don't remember seeing a purse listed by LE as being in the contents of the car.


Your right, only Cindy mentioned it...there were also some other things that were taken out and not turned over to LE...because when George was being questioned by LE, the detective asked him "what else was taken out of the car?" and George said "nothing that would be of any concern, just regular things that would be in a car"...he never did say what they were.....I think when LE got the car...everything was already taken out by Cindy...or at least most of it......

[PuffDragon]

Doesn't work because the parking lot is too far from the house, 1 of lenny's theories had her leaving the car the night before than walking back to it from TL's apartment and driving the car to the A's house to get the groceries, driving back to Amscot and calling TL.

I never thought much of that theory of Lenny's.

Yeh, after you explained about the distance I realized my theory didn't work.

[sunstar]

Listening to Pam Bondi (Asst. State Att'y) and Jeff Brown (criminal def. att'y) . . . both have said that to move the trial to X city, the city needs to be as close as possible to the ethnic % as Orlando, Orange County. Miami doesn't "fit", imo.

Good point in bringing that up! What I'm curious about is Baez won't say where he wants it moved to, but doesn't he have to tell the court when the hearing for the COV takes place? So it won't be a "secret" then! :confused:

[BANJO GRANNY]

I wish the Anthonys would take this opportunity to mend some bridges they've burned.

IMOO The only way they will ever do anything about all the lies, etc.. they have done, is if they are paid big money for it, cause IMOO that is all they care about:cursing:
I would bet my life they are making money on the memorial for Caylee
and that IMOO is a da* shame, Caylee deserved so much more in life and in death then she is getting from this so called family of her's
IMOO


:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[RiverWalk]

I just listened to the song...and that could very well have been what she looking up....because when you think about it, who would need to know anything about "shovels". they are self explanatory....

I also wonder if the person who found these searches actually looked them up to see what they could possibly be.....

Also, that music sounds like the music from a club....and it could have hit home to Casey, especially the part that say's "I messed up my whole life"......I too think it's a thought on the shovel.....

Thanks for listening. lol. I just couldn't figure out WTHeck searching the net for "shovel" means??? Duh ... you dig with them and yes there are different types, but big deal. lol.

I guess trying to figure out Casey is a lost cause?

[ConchGirl]

Some say it was a purse others say it was like a work bag.

"Work bag" :lol: Just like a normal day.

[5boxersmom]

I just listened to the song...and that could very well have been what she looking up....because when you think about it, who would need to know anything about "shovels". they are self explanatory....

I also wonder if the person who found these searches actually looked them up to see what they could possibly be.....

Also, that music sounds like the music from a club....and it could have hit home to Casey, especially the part that say's "I messed up my whole life"......I too think it's a thought on the shovel.....

I always thought the search for Lost Numbers was from the show Lost and nothing to do with lost phone numbers. Casey had Lost posted as one of her favorite shows on her myspace or cupid page.

I could be wrong though but that is what I thought it was.

jmo

[PuffDragon]

I think so too. I think he left to meet Cindy and get the money cause they would only take cash.

IIRC, they were both at the lot when they found out the cost of getting the car back and that it would take cash, so Cindy had to drive to the bank to get it. Although I'm not sure I know this for a fact I think CIndy picked up George in her car and they drove to the lot together, then Cindy left to get the money. I remember the lot guy saying she was not in a very good mood at that point.

[sunstar]

I think so too, but then again, they might not want to get involved in all of it! I think she drove it right up there and parked it knowing she would be running out of gas soon and best place to park would be by a dumpster.

Exactly! And probably so low on gas that even though she probably drove it into the parking lot, by the time George picked it up from the tow yard he needed to add gas to get home. MOO

[RiverWalk]

Good point in bringing that up! What I'm curious about is Baez won't say where he wants it moved to, but doesn't he have to tell the court when the hearing for the COV takes place? So it won't be a "secret" then! :confused:

Yes, there will be a PUBLIC hearing when he finally files his motion for COV and the Judge S listens to his requests. The State Attorney's office adds their 2¢ , but the Judge decides, not Team Casey.

[CC I See]

IMO Lenny has more class in his toothpick than Cindy could ever dream of.
I like Lenny.... and yes, he does. I really think that he cares what happened to Caylee and is seeking justice. We might not always agree with what he says and does, but at least he is trying to tighten the rope.

[PuffDragon]

IMO Lenny has more class in his toothpick than Cindy could ever dream of.

But so does Spongebob Squarepants.

[5boxersmom]

IIFC, they were both at the lot when they found out the cost of getting the car back and that it would take cash, so Cindy had to drive to the bank to get it. Although I'm not sure I know this for a fact I think CIndy picked up George in her car and they drove to the lot together, then Cindy left to get the money. I remember the lot guy saying she was not in a very good mood at that point.

Maybe but I thought George left and came back too. hmmm

Hard to keep everything straight in this case.

imo

[Barbara fl.]

Even though I have already convicted her I would like to think I could listen to it all with an open mind. Let's say that was possible (NOT) but what if I could but it wasn't proven beyond reasonable doubt! Can you imagine being on a jury and having to vote to acquit her, knowing what you know but it couldn't be proven? Understand what I am saying?


You would have to find her either guilty beyond a reasonable doubt or find her innocent.....It does not say "beyond a shred of doubt"....reasonable is the key word.......

It has to be "reasonable" to feel that all the evidence points to her....And I hope that the jury is advised that if one juror doesn't want to listen to reason and enters the deliberation room with "not guilty" no matter what...that the jury has the right to have that juror removed for not listening and comparing evidence and that that juror can and will be removed and an alternate sent in.....

The jury in the PS case wasn't aware of that and that is why the case ended up being "hung".....LKB stratedgy....

[ConchGirl]

I like Lenny.... and yes, he does. I really think that he cares what happened to Caylee and is seeking justice. We might not always agree with what he says and does, but at least he is trying to tighten the rope.

Lenny was their best friend when he bailed out Casey. But he saw first hand (pun intended) the Anthony family dynamics and revoked the bond. You don't mess with Cindy IMO

[steffaroob4]

Listening to Pam Bondi (Asst. State Att'y) and Jeff Brown (criminal def. att'y) . . . both have said that to move the trial to X city, the city needs to be as close as possible to the ethnic % as Orlando, Orange County. Miami doesn't "fit", imo.

I thought someone said that Orlando usualy swaps with Fort Myers. Anyone remember hearing that?
I don't think Baez gets to pick the city he wants, does he?

[Barbara fl.]

But so does Spongebob Squarepants.



:laugh::thumbsup: I love it.........

[desmom]

IIRC, they were both at the lot when they found out the cost of getting the car back and that it would take cash, so Cindy had to drive to the bank to get it. Although I'm not sure I know this for a fact I think CIndy picked up George in her car and they drove to the lot together, then Cindy left to get the money. I remember the lot guy saying she was not in a very good mood at that point.

Nicole Lett's interview with LE re car being picked up at tow yard:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/15%20Nicole%20Lett%20Transcript.pdf

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone have any idea what happened between NG and Tim Miller, if anything?

JMO, but I don't think Tim likes being on NG when Lenny is on.

[Pruddennce]

IIRC, they were both at the lot when they found out the cost of getting the car back and that it would take cash, so Cindy had to drive to the bank to get it. Although I'm not sure I know this for a fact I think CIndy picked up George in her car and they drove to the lot together, then Cindy left to get the money. I remember the lot guy saying she was not in a very good mood at that point.

yes.

Cindy claims she got a call from George from the impound...she says: 'she met him...stopped by the bank'

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/cynthia%20anthony.pdf

page 21-22 - handwritten 2071

and they just happen to swing on home and get gas cans? or is Cindy in the habit of keeping a gas can in her car. or they had a 'hunch'????

I think they had more than a hunch. they had communication, rather an explanation from casey when GA discovered the car was there, he called cindy, cindy called casey. or he called casey.

oh those phone records......wondering.....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[CC I See]

But so does Spongebob Squarepants.

Mr. Squarepants has to set a good example for children and doesn't lie.......

[Barbara fl.]

I always thought the search for Lost Numbers was from the show Lost and nothing to do with lost phone numbers. Casey had Lost posted as one of her favorite shows on her myspace or cupid page.

I could be wrong though but that is what I thought it was.

jmo


When you think about it...not much that was looked up will hold up too much.....Now, the household weapons is another thing....as someone else said on here...it could very well have been something to do with Casey getting rid of her parents.....I, too can not see "household weapons" being looked up for a 2 year old child.....

Because I do believe that at some point Casey had intentions of killing her parents....JMOO

[RiverWalk]

I always thought the search for Lost Numbers was from the show Lost and nothing to do with lost phone numbers. Casey had Lost posted as one of her favorite shows on her myspace or cupid page.

I could be wrong though but that is what I thought it was.

jmo

As a fan of the show (like ME) she wouldn't have to look up those #'s. Any fan knows them: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 (equals 108) and each week we seek those numbers in the shows that are broadcast. Sort of like an Easter Egg hunt!!! lol.

[bchand]

Does anyone have any idea what happened between NG and Tim Miller, if anything?

I wasn't aware that anything happened between them but I think Tim was disgusted seeing Lenny on NG constantly.

[WillowInFlight]

Mr. Squarepants has to set a good example for children and doesn't lie.......

My son loves him, We get him something Spongebob every Christmas. He's 27. :laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

My son loves him, We get him something Spongebob every Christmas. He's 27. :laugh:



My son was like that about "Alfie".....lol

[bchand]

My son was like that about "Alfie".....lol

You mean Alf? I loved him !!!


http://crazyabouttv.com/ImagesTwo/alf.jpg

[RiverWalk]

I thought someone said that Orlando usualy swaps with Fort Myers. Anyone remember hearing that?
I don't think Baez gets to pick the city he wants, does he?

Team Casey doesn't get to pick "squat". He can ask/plea but cannot PICK.

I hadn't heard the Ft. Meyers swap. Maybe they "fit"?????

moo

[AMS]

My son loves him, We get him something Spongebob every Christmas. He's 27. :laugh:

:laugh: My daughter is like that about Curious George!

[5boxersmom]

As a fan of the show (like ME) she wouldn't have to look up those #'s. Any fan knows them: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 (equals 108) and each week we seek those numbers in the shows that are broadcast. Sort of like an Easter Egg hunt!!! lol.

But there is websites that discuss them right? Seems like I searched Lost Numbers once and saw websites.

imo

[sunstar]

Yes, there will be a PUBLIC hearing when he finally files his motion for COV and the Judge S listens to his requests. The State Attorney's office adds their 2¢ , but the Judge decides, not Team Casey.

On Nancy Grace's show they listed the potential cost for moving the trial and I was wondering if the judge could hold off granting the motion until after they try to seat a jury in Orange County. Possible? :shrug:

[Barbara fl.]

I wasn't aware that anything happened between them but I think Tim was disgusted seeing Lenny on NG constantly.


Yes, Tim, was upset at the way LP was talking about finding a skull and how that would make headlines and how much money could be made from that...Lenny must not have thought at that minute or he wouldn't have said something like that to Tim...Tim started Equusearch from losing his own daughter and it hit home with Tim.....He then lost all respect for LP and understandably so.......(I had already lost my respect for him prior to that) not that it matters....

Tim is for real...and I will take his word over LP anyday.....JMOO

[steffaroob4]

Team Casey doesn't get to pick "squat". He can ask/plea but cannot PICK.

I hadn't heard the Ft. Meyers swap. Maybe they "fit"?????

moo

IIRC a local media report with a lawyer was saying that Orlando will do swaps with Ft. meyers, because they are similar.
Ft. meyers is not like Miami or Jacksonville, but I haven't been the recently, maybe it has changed. I don't think Baez would be happy with that pick.

[5boxersmom]

Nicole Lett's interview with LE re car being picked up at tow yard:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/15%20Nicole%20Lett%20Transcript.pdf

She says he had to leave and go get his wife. So how did George get his vehicle home if he drove Casey's car home? Or did someone take George to the towyard? hmmmm

[sunstar]

Hey sunstar. I remember her saying that but, IIRC, no one has ever came forward and the LE haven't really searched for any one, so IMO, that is another of her stories. I think she parked the car there herself.
She also said that the gauge was broken and it wasn't.

I've always thought it was just another one of her lies and she dumped the car because of the odor, didn't want Tony near it, so she said her dad was coming to pick it up. MOO

[steffaroob4]

It's not up to Baez, the state will pick a site. The Couey trial was moved from Citrus County to Orange County and than to Miami-Dade.


thanks
Why was it moved twice?

[Barbara fl.]

It's not up to Baez, the state will pick a site. The Couey trial was moved from Citrus County to Orange County and than to Miami-Dade.



I believe it went to Dade county just for the sentencing....but the trial was held in somewhere in Orange county, but I don't think it was that far of a distance from where the crime took place....I think most it was about an hour and a half away....

They can take Casey to London for her sentencing, I really don't care...she will be sentenced to LWOP no matter where they hold the sentencing......JMOO

[nc1948]

I wouldn't miss him one little tiny bit! Maybe take a vote. That guy IMO is out for money and money only. He doesn't give a hoot about Caylee. He just wants to be in the spotlight.:thumbdown:


tj- I understand what you are saying, but can you tell me one person involved in this that is not our there for money or spotlight?

[Barbara fl.]

You mean Alf? I loved him !!!


http://crazyabouttv.com/ImagesTwo/alf.jpg


Yah, that's who I mean...I have pictures of him with Alf...and he was in his late 20's or early 30's......

I guess we all have something like that we liked.....

[bchand]

Team Casey doesn't get to pick "squat". He can ask/plea but cannot PICK.

I hadn't heard the Ft. Meyers swap. Maybe they "fit"?????

moo

Oh I'd love that. I would have a place to stay in nearby Cape Coral !

[?noanswer]

I'm not saying that the jury, if made up of a majority of Hispanics, will not be appalled by the facts. But the real problem is that too many Hispanics in the Miami-Dade area are confused by the law and/or fear it.

Baez knows that and in my opinion, will use that confusion and/or fear to instill reasonable doubt.

A relative recently left the DA's office because: 1. she was tired of dealing with the scum of society and 2. she was tired of dealing with stupid jurors....her words not mine. Baez does not want an intelligent jury.

and no, they cannot speak any language other than English. If jurors can read and write English, understand the questions and answer in English then they can be seated.

cady

Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll be able to enjoy it a second time. Dali Lama

It is said a jury is made of the defendant's peers. Would that prohibit a majority of the jury being Hispanic?

[nc1948]

Yes, that's what I think too. The purse, clothing, shoes, child car seat, and so many temptations! :biggrin:

My thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that Caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for Caylees death and Casey would be able to play the grieving Mother of the Year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in Florida did not read the script.

[cady]

I see your point. It would be sad if he needs to go for an unintelligent jury.

(btw - you know you can add that last line to your signature so you don't have to keep typing it.)

..... for the heads-up. I'm going to go try to figure that out. I haven't posted on here since the MP trial so I'm a little rusty....plus, I'm still playing catch-up

cady

[ConchGirl]

My thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that Caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for Caylees death and Casey would be able to play the grieving Mother of the Year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in Florida did not read the script.

That's exactly why Casey left her purse in the car. Apparently the car stunk so bad that a thief wouldn't even steal it. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

IIRC, in the Lana Clarkson murder trial it was an Hispanic juror who displayed an intelligent understanding of the law, as opposed to the engineer juror who hung the jury with his total failure to apply the standard of "reasonable" doubt. I do not fear Hispanics on this jury, only little wingnuts with an agenda like what occurred in the Spector trial. imo.

[Barbara fl.]

It is said a jury is made of the defendant's peers. Would that prohibit a majority of the jury being Hispanic?


A jury is made up of peers, meaning not judicial or of court status....it means they are average people like the defendant......However, sometimes race can become an issue...and certain juror's would be excluded....

But, no....if an electrician is on trial...it doesn't mean that the jurors will all be electricians....

I can nor see an hispanic being picked by the defense because of Casey blaming a hispanic as being the nanny that took Caylee....That would be considered prejudicial to their client and they probably wont take the chance......so they will find a reason to exclude that particular person......JMOO

[desmom]

She says he had to leave and go get his wife. So how did George get his vehicle home if he drove Casey's car home? Or did someone take George to the towyard? hmmmm

After they picked up the car, Cindy returned to work. She told her coworkers about Caylee's doll and backpack being in the car and it smelled really bad. Page 6 http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530509.pdf

At some time, Cindy had to be near the car to know what it smelled like and what was in the car when she returned to work.

Simon Burch only mentioned taking George back to get the car at the tow yard. Page 6 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/13%20Simon%20Burch%20Transcript.pdf

Maybe George picked up Cindy, she followed him home and then he took her back to work.

jmo

[RiverWalk]

But there is websites that discuss them right? Seems like I searched Lost Numbers once and saw websites.

imo

Tons of them. Some with spoilers (spies in Hawaii!!! and insiders and podcasts from the producers/writers that mess with the fans) and lots that discuss the show after it airs. But we all know the #'s.

The doc dump only let us know a small % of the actual search, imo. Sort of like, I can google "Big", but if it left off Mr.; so I would really be looking for information about Mr. Big on the show Sex in the City. We only got pieces of the net searches, imo. Heck if I know. :shrug:

[sunstar]

My thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that Caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for Caylees death and Casey would be able to play the grieving Mother of the Year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in Florida did not read the script.

Maybe it's a relatively safe parking lot, and there are cameras on the building so the thieves could've been afraid of getting caught. I'm glad she picked the wrong parking lot and the car wasn't stolen! :smile:

[Barbara fl.]

IIRC, in the Lana Clarkson murder trial it was an Hispanic juror who displayed an intelligent understanding of the law, as opposed to the engineer juror who hung the jury with his total failure to apply the standard of "reasonable" doubt. I do not fear Hispanics on this jury, only little wingnuts with an agenda like what occurred in the Spector trial. imo.



I agree with you completely...however, I doubt that the defense will take that chance.....anyone can go against the grain...no matter what their background is or their race or their intellegence.....It depends on the person.....

[nc1948]

Even though I have already convicted her I would like to think I could listen to it all with an open mind. Let's say that was possible (NOT) but what if I could but it wasn't proven beyond reasonable doubt! Can you imagine being on a jury and having to vote to acquit her, knowing what you know but it couldn't be proven? Understand what I am saying?

AND can you imagine being in the final days of a long trial and defense attorney presents all your posts on a forum about Casey.

[desmom]

My thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that Caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for Caylees death and Casey would be able to play the grieving Mother of the Year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in Florida did not read the script.

I agree! :beer:

[sunstar]

IIRC, in the Lana Clarkson murder trial it was an Hispanic juror who displayed an intelligent understanding of the law, as opposed to the engineer juror who hung the jury with his total failure to apply the standard of "reasonable" doubt. I do not fear Hispanics on this jury, only little wingnuts with an agenda like what occurred in the Spector trial. imo.

I followed that trial and agree! Also, I don't think the defense would really want any Hispanic jurors because they might tend to be socially conservative and probably wouldn't approve of Casey's behavior (including not calling 911) after ZFG supposedly kidnapped Caylee. I think that might be a sorer point with them than Casey blaming another Hispanic for the kidnapping. MOO

[Barbara fl.]

I think it started when the "dress" was found, Tim was upset that it came out and NG pushed him into saying it was one of his people that found it. Things just got worse from there on.

JMO



I remember that also....I didn't agree for one minute that a 2 year old would fit into a size 6 dress, unless they were a giant of a baby...and even then it would be too big....The man in the background of NG show that said his daughter wore a size 6 when she was 2, I believe he was wrong.....My granddaughter who is average size wore a size 2 at 2 and size 3 at 3 and so on....maybe some children might go up or down 1 size but not 4 sizes.....JMOO

[RiverWalk]

my thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for caylees death and casey would be able to play the grieving mother of the year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in florida did not read the script.

ita -------

[CC I See]

My thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that Caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for Caylees death and Casey would be able to play the grieving Mother of the Year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in Florida did not read the script.... I am wondering at this point if Caylee's body was inside the trunk when she first ditched the car. But before it was towed decided to take the body out of the car and then put it where it was found. If so, then a car trunk of another car needs to be inspected.

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree with you completely...however, I doubt that the defense will take that chance.....anyone can go against the grain...no matter what their background is or their race or their intellegence.....It depends on the person.....

You're right Barb and I have great confidence in the people of Florida getting this one right!

[Barbara fl.]

I agree! :beer:


I tend to believe that also.....that would have fell right in place for her....and could have been why she might very well have left her pocket book in the car as well.....Maybe Casey too was going to pull a disappearing act.....just a thought...

[Barbara fl.]

You're right Barb and I have great confidence in the people of Florida getting this one right!



I do too....LKB is going to be for a surprise in Florida.....JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

I followed that trial and agree! Also, I don't think the defense would really want any Hispanic jurors because they might tend to be socially conservative and probably wouldn't approve of Casey's behavior (including not calling 911) after ZFG supposedly kidnapped Caylee. I think that might be a sorer point with them than Casey blaming another Hispanic for the kidnapping. MOO

Excellent points Sun and in my experience, most Hispanics are extremely family orientated and would definetly take a very dim view of the odious creature and her "motherly skills", imo.

[sunstar]

... I am wondering at this point if Caylee's body was inside the trunk when she first ditched the car. But before it was towed decided to take the body out of the car and then put it where it was found. If so, then a car trunk of another car needs to be inspected.

I don't think so. It would've been too risky getting caught doing something like that in the parking lot. It's just my opinion but I think Caylee was in the trunk no later than a few minutes after she left her parents house on the 24th when George wanted his gas cans back. Or she might have been disposed of days before that. MOO

[nc1948]

Why lock the car doors if you want someone to steal it?

oops, sorry, I thought they were NOT locked. There is so much info in this case that I do get my facts wrong.

[ConchGirl]

I followed that trial and agree! Also, I don't think the defense would really want any Hispanic jurors because they might tend to be socially conservative and probably wouldn't approve of Casey's behavior (including not calling 911) after ZFG supposedly kidnapped Caylee. I think that might be a sorer point with them than Casey blaming another Hispanic for the kidnapping. MOO

I think Jose may prefer Hispanic jurors to boost his fame. jmo

[nc1948]

I tend to believe that also.....that would have fell right in place for her....and could have been why she might very well have left her pocket book in the car as well.....Maybe Casey too was going to pull a disappearing act.....just a thought...

She did (according to Cindy) ask for one more day.

[sunstar]

Excellent points Sun and in my experience, most Hispanics are extremely family orientated and would definetly take a very dim view of the odious creature and her "motherly skills", imo.

Absolutely! I know one such family, and they'd have the "odious creature" (love it! :) ) convicted in a heartbeat. And it wouldn't be because of her naming ZFG as the nanny/kidnapper, but because of her own failure to call LE and partying with the b/f while Caylee's supposedly "missing". MOO

[CC I See]

I don't think so. It would've been too risky getting caught doing something like that in the parking lot. It's just my opinion but I think Caylee was in the trunk no later than a few minutes after she left her parents house on the 24th when George wanted his gas cans back. Or she might have been disposed of days before that. MOO... yes, you are right it would be risky to have left it in the trunk.... it 's just that I thought that she was trying to find a place for it and ran out of gas first.

But it does look as if she did set up the car to be stolen.... only thing it wasn't, which must have ruined her kidnapping story.

[RiverWalk]

oops, sorry, I thought they were NOT locked. There is so much info in this case that I do get my facts wrong.

From the reports, the car was locked. A locked car is not a biggie to car thieves. They can unlock, hot wire and be gone in moments. imo.

[sunstar]

I think Jose may prefer Hispanic jurors to boost his fame. jmo

He may think he wants them on the jury because he is Hispanic, but I don't believe they'd give him the verdict he wants. :sneaky:

[ConchGirl]

... yes, you are right it would be risky to have left it in the trunk.... it 's just that I thought that she was trying to find a place for it and ran out of gas first.

But it does look as if she did set up the car to be stolen.... only thing it wasn't, which must have ruined her kidnapping story.

IIRC Casey told Cindy she left a note on the car. If Casey said it I have to believe it is true. :laugh:

[happygert]

I remember that also....I didn't agree for one minute that a 2 year old would fit into a size 6 dress, unless they were a giant of a baby...and even then it would be too big....The man in the background of NG show that said his daughter wore a size 6 when she was 2, I believe he was wrong.....My granddaughter who is average size wore a size 2 at 2 and size 3 at 3 and so on....maybe some children might go up or down 1 size but not 4 sizes.....JMOO


My daughter was never an avg kid.. had to buy bigger sizes because of her height... ..If I bought size compared to her age her panties showed..she was 5'3 in 3 grade. ( taller then me..)5'71/2 by time she was in 5 grade she stopped at 5'9 her dad is 6'5... So I guess it would depend on genetics...Because of her height the kids at school nicnamed her Shaq... But in Caylee's case she wore avg sized clothes imo..because of the size clothes found in the bag with her.....imo...

[sunstar]

... yes, you are right it would be risky to have left it in the trunk.... it 's just that I thought that she was trying to find a place for it and ran out of gas first.

But it does look as if she did set up the car to be stolen.... only thing it wasn't, which must have ruined her kidnapping story.

Being that Caylee was found so close to the Anthony's house, I think it's possible she almost got "busted" at the house when George wanted his gas cans (on 6/24) and she hurriedly disposed of Caylee as soon as she left the house. Otherwise it seems she would've put her someplace that wouldn't have been so "close to home" and may have been more like somebody else did it. MOO

[RiverWalk]

While being without power, I purchased trash mags., and in one of them was an article with LP and he said that there was a fifteen y/o witness that saw the OC. in the area where Caylee's remains were found.

Does anyone know if this is fact or fiction?
Has any one else heard this?

TIA

According to Lenny....:
Casey was wandering around a parking lot on July 15 (said on his Ustream broadcast that some "dude" in NY told him that, but now it's part of this story ... go figure?)
Caylee fell off a balcony while Casey was busy
Casey threw Caylee in the dumpster
Caylee drowned and Casey used the neighbor's shovel to get her out of the pool
Casey threw Caylee in the Little Econ River and thus the search while everyone watched, Dom Casey and Hoover were skulking around filming looking for a dead body and no one noticed Dom or Hoover
ETC. and he's selling his stories to trash mags, IMO.

Do not trust nor like Lenny, but that's MO only. I am biased.

[summer4meplz]

He may think he wants them on the jury because he is Hispanic, but I don't believe they'd give him the verdict he wants. :sneaky:


good evening everyone....I don't think ANYONE is going to give him the verdict he wants....

[sunstar]

From the reports, the car was locked. A locked car is not a biggie to car thieves. They can unlock, hot wire and be gone in moments. imo.

Exactly. If the thief sees something inside the car he wants, he'll find a way to get it.

[5boxersmom]

Being that Caylee was found so close to the Anthony's house, I think it's possible she almost got "busted" at the house when George wanted his gas cans (on 6/24) and she hurriedly disposed of Caylee as soon as she left the house. Otherwise it seems she would've put her someplace that wouldn't have been so "close to home" and may have been more like somebody else did it. MOO

But if she was killed on the 16th and the Body Farm says 2.6 days of decomp in car. Where was she the rest of the time? The backyard?

Everytime I think I have a timeline down something changes my mind.:biggrin:

[sunstar]

good evening everyone....I don't think ANYONE is going to give him the verdict he wants....

Neither do I! :biggrin:

[ConchGirl]

Being that Caylee was found so close to the Anthony's house, I think it's possible she almost got "busted" at the house when George wanted his gas cans (on 6/24) and she hurriedly disposed of Caylee as soon as she left the house. Otherwise it seems she would've put her someplace that wouldn't have been so "close to home" and may have been more like somebody else did it. MOO

I am in the minority because I believe that there is no way if Caylee were killed on the 16th that she would have dumped the body long before the 24th. I think the decomp fluids were present in the car on the 24th but Caylee was already in the woods. I live in Florida and there is no way she had a dead body in her trunk for that long. I think Casey was only hiding the smell in the car on the 24th. IMO

[happygert]

I am in the minority because I believe that there is no way if Caylee were killed on the 16th that she would have dumped the body long before the 24th. I think the decomp fluids were present in the car on the 24th but Caylee was already in the woods. I live in Florida and there is no way she had a dead body in her trunk for that long. I think Casey was only hiding the smell in the car on the 24th. IMO

Not only that wouldn't she decompose faster since she was small?

[sunstar]

But if she was killed on the 16th and the Body Farm says 2.6 days of decomp in car. Where was she the rest of the time? The backyard?

Everytime I think I have a timeline down something changes my mind.:biggrin:

You're not alone on that timeline. I'm just thinking she sure didn't want her dad near the car trunk, so it seemed possible she hadn't yet disposed of Caylee. Or maybe she just thought her dad would smell the odor. It does seem though that she didn't give much thought as to where she was going to get rid of Caylee and chose the most familiar spot to her where she thought Caylee wouldn't be found. MOO

[bchand]

From the reports, the car was locked. A locked car is not a biggie to car thieves. They can unlock, hot wire and be gone in moments. imo.

Definitely, that's why I move my portable gps everytime I leave my car somewhere. They'd break in and grab that in a second.

I agree she left the car hoping it would be stolen.

[PuffDragon]

Nicole Lett's interview with LE re car being picked up at tow yard:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/15%20Nicole%20Lett%20Transcript.pdf (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/15%20Nicole%20Lett%20Transcript.pdf)

Thanks desmom, I'm glad to have that cleared up, I think I must have missed that interview. It doesn't quite jibe with the manager's account, she says they drive off in the car together, where I know I remember that Simon Burch said George drove off by himself, but that's probably just a mistake on her part.

So, getting this straight.....George first drives to the yard by himself? How did he expect to drive two cars home by himself I wonder? Then he finds out about the terms of payment and goes to get Cindy (at work?) and they go to the bank together. We know that after they pay for the car George leaves in it and Cindy takes her car back to work, so can we assume that George left his car somewhere first, maybe he called CIndy and she met him at home? and then rode to the yard together? All this driving around and changing cars must have taken some time. I have to go figure out the timeline for that day, because they seem to have done a bunch of other stuff too, George took the car home, then went to work. Cindy went home early, per her manager, found Amy's number and called her, picked her up at the mall, went to get Casey.....when did she call George to tell him what was happening, somewhere in there? and then George called Lee to tell him to get over there.... and we know what happened after that? When the heck did anybody have time to clean the car out, for pete's sake..........?

My head is beginning to spin.:sad:

[Balesha]

good evening everyone....I don't think ANYONE is going to give him the verdict he wants....

Zenaida is also hispanic and I think they'll side with her.

[Cinsd]

She says he had to leave and go get his wife. So how did George get his vehicle home if he drove Casey's car home? Or did someone take George to the towyard? hmmmm

Hi 5boxersmom
I think GA went to the tow yard, found out how much it was, called CA at work to her. Cindy left work went to the bank, met GA at home and mean while GA got the gas cans. Waited for CA, they both went in CA vehicle. That's how I understand it anyways :shrug:

[PuffDragon]

My son loves him, We get him something Spongebob every Christmas. He's 27. :laugh:

Heh, good punch there!

[nc1948]

Well you can say LE and the Prosecution have no vested interest in obtaining money unlike the defense and the anthony family.

You are right, but poster was criticizing Lenny for being about making money and being in spotlight. Sorry, I did not specifiy LE and prosecution, but I see no one on defense doing this for free(altho some are claiming to) the experts are definitely not doing this free, the Family, Baez and little miss Mother of the Year are all going after the big bucks. I am not a lenny fan, altho he has been right about a few things, but I think it is unfair to single him out as being about money and spotlight.

Remember The House of Anthony set up the Help find Caylee web site before the police arrived (I think). They sold t-shirts and arm bands and asked for donations. They also asks for cash cards for target and other stores. Ifyou are talking about someone being about money, I think the Anthonys should be on the top of the list.

[summer4meplz]

Zenaida is also hispanic and I think they'll side with her.


ITA and as the poster upthread said.....the hispanic culture is very family oriented......they are not going to like casey at all....imo

[5boxersmom]

Hi 5boxersmom
I think GA went to the tow yard, found out how much it was, called CA at work to her. Cindy left work went to the bank, met GA at home and mean while GA got the gas cans. Waited for CA, they both went in CA vehicle. That's how I understand it anyways :shrug:

That could be it.

[ConchGirl]

Well you can say LE and the Prosecution have no vested interest in obtaining money unlike the defense and the anthony family.

Post of the Day. :beer:I'm so sick of hearing Jose whine about leaks. Who cares, when it will all come out thanks to our Sunshine law. He should be happy for the leaks because it won't be so shocking for the jury, as they will have time to absorb it all. Kind of like the Rodney King video that was shown so many times that people were desensitized (sp) to seeing it. moo

[summer4meplz]

I'm a bit suspicious of nate,,,,,might be the other roommate...the one that said when he got back to ToneL's apt on Father's day night...casey was there without Caylee and he THOUGHT casey spent the night.....but that doesn't really match up with all the phone calls and texts between casey and ToneL.....unless they were laying next to each other talking on the phone....to each other....:confused:

[sunstar]

ITA and as the poster upthread said.....the hispanic culture is very family oriented......they are not going to like casey at all....imo

The only jurors I can see the defense might make points with are those like who are sending Casey commissary money. MOO

[PuffDragon]

My thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that Caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for Caylees death and Casey would be able to play the grieving Mother of the Year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in Florida did not read the script.

That doesn't work, nc, in light of the fact that she had TonE pick her up at the car and there was no sign of Caylee there at that time.

[Balesha]

Post of the Day. :beer:I'm so sick of hearing Jose whine about leaks. Who cares, when it will all come out thanks to our Sunshine law. He should be happy for the leaks because it won't be so shocking for the jury, as they will have time to absorb it all. Kind of like the Rodney King video that was shown so many times that people were desensitized (sp) to seeing it. moo

I also think that the average person doesn't follow these cases. Baez's whining is much ado about nothing.

[Grins]

IIRC, in the Lana Clarkson murder trial it was an Hispanic juror who displayed an intelligent understanding of the law, as opposed to the engineer juror who hung the jury with his total failure to apply the standard of "reasonable" doubt. I do not fear Hispanics on this jury, only little wingnuts with an agenda like what occurred in the Spector trial. imo.You are absolutely right RL!!
That was my experience and confirmed in talking with 150 or so juries over 7 years.

My Mother was selected to serve on a murder jury while I was still a homicide prosecutor in the same court house! Amazed, I asked if she told them & she said yes right away.
=So how did you get picked?
=Well, I told them, " I have taught third grade for thirty years and have two children, three brothers and two nephews who are lawyers.
Both sides immediately said 'Acceptable.'
The Judge smiled."

After it was over, she complained, "We convicted the guy but some goofy engineer and a math professor were holding out
because there were no fingerprints on the jagged chunk of concrete used as a murder weapon! Can you imagine? Well, I told them they better come back to me in third grade for six weeks and learn a little of real life.

=I smiled.

[RiverWalk]

Yeah, but he is just like the rest of us; speculating, but when it gets in print I have to wonder.

I didn't think I had seen any info on this prior to the tabloid I purchased.

Just noticed my typo. Should be JUNE 15th wandering around a parking lot per Lenny per some dude in NY and nothing to back it up. Not July.

He has been the "source" of other articles, imo.

[sunstar]

I also think that the average person doesn't follow these cases. Baez's whining is much ado about nothing.

I really would like the Judge to try to have a jury seated in Orange County then if one can't be, move it to another location at that point. It just seems like a big waste of taxpayer money when the same verdict is probably going to be reached no matter where the trial is. MOO

[apothecary]

Where is adalena935? I have not heard from her lately.

[ConchGirl]

You are absolutely right RL!!
That was my experience and confirmed in talking with 150 or so juries over 7 years.

My Mother was selected to serve on a murder jury while I was still a homicide prosecutor in the same court house! Amazed, I asked if she told them & she said yes right away.
=So how did you get picked?
=Well, I told them, " I have taught third grade for thirty years and have two children, three brothers and two nephews who are lawyers.
Both sides immediately said 'Acceptable.'
The Judge smiled."

After it was over, she complained, "We convicted the guy but some goofy engineer and a math professor were holding out
because there were no fingerprints on the jagged chunk of concrete used as a murder weapon! Can you imagine? Well, I told them they better come back to me in third grade for six weeks and learn a little of real life.

=I smiled.
Nice story Grins. I have served on 3 cases here in Florida. One federal and two criminal. Only six jurors are required unless it is a capital crime. I was always amazed that my fellow jurors were afraid to look at the defendant. They didn't want to make eye contact. Maybe it's just me, but I was very interested in the defendants body language and I loved to look them in the eyes. On my Federal case in Key West I walked to a Wendy's for lunch and lo and behold the defendant sat at the table next to me. No words were spoken but I did report it to the Judge. Needless to say, I lost my appetite and did feel intimidated but I did not let it change my view of the evidence in the case. On another case I knew in my heart that the guy was guilty but the State did not prove the case. They didn't even mention that he was left handed which was very important in my opinion. I have faith in jurors in this country. We take our job very seriously and that's what's makes this the best county in the world. moo

[Regina.Lampert]

You are absolutely right RL!!
That was my experience and confirmed in talking with 150 or so juries over 7 years.

My Mother was selected to serve on a murder jury while I was still a homicide prosecutor in the same court house! Amazed, I asked if she told them & she said yes right away.
=So how did you get picked?
=Well, I told them, " I have taught third grade for thirty years and have two children, three brothers and two nephews who are lawyers.
Both sides immediately said 'Acceptable.'
The Judge smiled."

After it was over, she complained, "We convicted the guy but some goofy engineer and a math professor were holding out
because there were no fingerprints on the jagged chunk of concrete used as a murder weapon! Can you imagine? Well, I told them they better come back to me in third grade for six weeks and learn a little of real life.

=I smiled.


Aw Grinnie, God Bless Her....now I know why you turned out so great!! :thumbsup:

[gnm109]

ITA and as the poster upthread said.....the hispanic culture is very family oriented......they are not going to like casey at all....imo

That's true but it's really only part of the story. White folks, Black folks, Asian folks, American Indian Folks, Native Africans, Samoans, Polynesians, Europeans, Mongols, Russians, Gypsies and other ethnic groups I could name if I could think of them all have families, take fairly good care of their children. I know of no group that would like what CA is thought to have done, except maybe the Taliban or Jamas.

The bottom line is that child killers are universally hated. Anyone who takes that case to trial is going to have their work cut out for them.

I have little to no doubt that she will be convicted, regardless of the composition of the jury.

[summer4meplz]

I know it's old news to you guys, but I just saw it today. The Inmate in court and her playing with Jose's pen and her cute :thumbdown: little smiles. And her pretending to take notes and show some interest in this case.

I was just dumb founded that Biaz didn't school her on how to act in

court.



this was during Nejame talking about searching for her baby daughter's REMAINS....heartless!!

[sunstar]

I know it's old news to you guys, but I just saw it today. The Inmate in court and her playing with Jose's pen and her cute :thumbdown: little smiles. And her pretending to take notes and show some interest in this case.

I was just dumb founded that Biaz didn't school her on how to act in court.

It seems though that the defense attorneys didn't see anything wrong with Casey's behavior. At least that's what they said on Geraldo's show. Amazing, isn't it?? :unsure: MOO

[bama__angel]

That's true but it's really only part of the story. White folks, Black folks, Asian folks, American Indian Folks, Native Africans, Samoans, Polynesians, Europeans, Mongols, Russians, Gypsies and other ethnic groups I could name if I could think of them all have families, take fairly good care of their children. I know of no group that would like what CA is thought to have done, except maybe the Taliban or Jamas.

The bottom line is that child killers are universally hated. Anyone who takes that case to trial is going to have their work cut out for them.

I have little to no doubt that she will be convicted, regardless of the composition of the jury.



ITA.....The mother-child bond is so sacred....in any culture......Most mamas would die protecting their child............No one can wrap their head around, you cant conceive that a mother could deliberately take her baby's life, and then put her in a garbage bag, and throw her in the woods..........This mother-child bond is the strongest of all bonds IMO

[Cinsd]

LP will be LP. He is seeking his 15 mins of fame but i doubt he wants to profit off of beautiful little caylee. That is the anthonys goal it seems. In the end she has become sacrificial bait for money. No LP shouldnt be criticized at all. It is the defense and the anthony family who should be very afraid of what they have caused and the outrage that will get worse as time goes on. They could of acted like a normal human family and told the truth and grieved in the humane way but they had to do the opposite. I cant understand why some still feel sympathy for that family. I just cant after all they have done to trash the memory of caylee. I pray and hope this doesnt take years to resolve. Caylee deserves quick justice and casey and her family deserve quick judgements for the crimes they have committed.

ITA with you, shame on the A's

[cady]

I'm thinking that too.

Here's a question for you wonderful posters. Why the duct tape? Why the heart sticker? Why the laundry bag and the trash bag? I have my theories, but I keep them to myself. JMO.


I apologize for this being so far behind.

I think about the presence of the duct tape all the time and it really confuses me. However, I am reminded of an interview I saw many years ago with the ME who performed the autopsy on Robert F. Kennedy. He said that it was the only time he covered the face of a person while doing the autopsy because he so admired the man.

Perhaps the duct tape wasn't placed directly on Caylee's skin. Perhaps a tissue or something that would disintegrate over time was placed over Caylee's face and then the duct tape applied so the "person" wrapping that beautiful child wouldn't have to look at her face?

[bama__angel]

I apologize for this being so far behind.

I think about the presence of the duct tape all the time and it really confuses me. However, I am reminded of an interview I saw many years ago with the ME who performed the autopsy on Robert F. Kennedy. He said that it was the only time he covered the face of a person while doing the autopsy because he so admired the man.

Perhaps the duct tape wasn't placed directly on Caylee's skin. Perhaps a tissue or something that would disintegrate over time was placed over Caylee's face and then the duct tape applied so the "person" wrapping that beautiful child wouldn't have to look at her face?



I wish that your explanation was true.........Thinking about the duct tape over Caylee's mouth haunts me......

[nc1948]

That doesn't work, nc, in light of the fact that she had TonE pick her up at the car and there was no sign of Caylee there at that time.

Puff, I didn't say Caylee was in trunk, but that evidence that she had been in the trunk.
I think she had disposed of her before this, and yet the smell remained.

[sunstar]

this was during Nejame talking about searching for her baby daughter's REMAINS....heartless!!

I think she's about as cold blooded as they come. :cuss: MOO

[Dells]

The other edge of that sword is that Hispanics tend to be very child and family oriented, they won't like Casey's lifestyle when Caylee was missing.

And I can't imagine that they will embrace the fact that Casey accused a Hispanic woman (Zanny) of kidnapping and murdering her child. That is if the defense is still going to go w/the ridiculous Zanny the nanny did it story.:rolleyes:

[sunstar]

I am way behind. I didn't get to see Geraldo's show last night.

Did he say something about her demeanor?

TIA

No, they were on last weekend, Saturday I think, after her court appearance and knowing the public's reaction to her demeanor. They were attempting to explain it, like Casey being happy to see her lawyers, and whatnot. :rolleyes:

[nc1948]

I know it's old news to you guys, but I just saw it today. The Inmate in court and her playing with Jose's pen and her cute :thumbdown: little smiles. And her pretending to take notes and show some interest in this case.

I was just dumb founded that Biaz didn't school her on how to act in court.

If she behaves like this at the trial, I think it will really show her concern about her daughter being dead ---none. Also her concern for herself being convicted. Most (note , i did not say all) defendants in a murder trial are very sedate, head hanging down, serious and looking concerned. She was so happy, it was sickening.

[WillowInFlight]

this was during Nejame talking about searching for her baby daughter's REMAINS....heartless!!

I would like to see her pull that crap during the trial, that jury is going to be watching her like a hawk.

[WillowInFlight]

And I can't imagine that they will embrace the fact that Casey accused a Hispanic woman (Zanny) of kidnapping and murdering her child. That is if the defense is still going to go w/the ridiculous Zanny the nanny did it story.:rolleyes:

See I keep saying, I can't see them continuing down that road.

[Dells]

P.R. lawyer conway, conroy whatever , was he always paralyzed? wheelchair bound. . I was wondering if he requires an attendant? I have never seen one , and also his chair is not electric. Did he have a terrible accident?
#2 question. I could almost swear when Zanaida was first identified it was stated in her description she was not employed at the time. yet her lawyer said she lost her job because of the celebrity. does anyone know. thanks gogo

Bolding mine...

I googled it and I found out that BC was in a surfing accident in 1981 and that is when he became paralyzed.

[Balesha]

See I keep saying, I can't see them continuing down that road.
The zanny defence will be sure to land her LWOP, but so far they haven't laid anything else out there.

Hey...I just saw that there will be a Special Edition of NG on Tuesday!

[WillowInFlight]

The zanny defence will be sure to land her LWOP, but so far they haven't laid anything else out there.

Hey...I just saw that there will be a Special Edition of NG on Tuesday!

I think that is during the memorial.

[Grins]

Aw Grinnie, God Bless Her....now I know why you turned out so great!! :thumbsup:She was a Wonder RL and guys would come up to me and say, "Your Mother taught me in the third grade and turned me around right quick. But boy was she tough!"

=that right eh? ...... I see... :biggrin:

~~Thanks ConchGirl for your service and kind comment.
:thumbsup:

[RiverWalk]

Never heard that 1 however I did break down on my way back from Cali on Wednesday and bought 1 of those rags, unbelievable what kind of BS they come up with and then say it's from a source close to someone.

JMO

Do you remember us (you, I and other posters) posting about the stories that LP has sold to the rag mags? This was a while back. TIA.

[sunstar]

If she behaves like this at the trial, I think it will really show her concern about her daughter being dead ---none. Also her concern for herself being convicted. Most (note , i did not say all) defendants in a murder trial are very sedate, head hanging down, serious and looking concerned. She was so happy, it was sickening.

I think she thought it was all about HER and she was the star of the show! And I think she's so enamored with Baez she's sure she'll be acquitted. MOO

[sunstar]

TY. I haven't seen any of those from last weekend.

You're most welcome! :smile: According to his web page at FNC, he was supposed to have an interview with Cindy but had Baez & LKB on instead.

[WillowInFlight]

I think she thought it was all about HER and she was the star of the show! And I think she's so enamored with Baez she's sure she'll be acquitted. MOO

I think Baez has her convinced of being acquitted, I wonder what Casey thought of being compared to the fugitive?:sneaky:

[RiverWalk]

She was a Wonder RL and guys would come up to me and say, "Your Mother taught me in the third grade and turned me around right quick. But boy was she tough!"

=that right eh? ...... I see... :biggrin:

~~Thanks ConchGirl for your service and kind comment.
:thumbsup:

Hey. I was too late to your "shovel" discussion the other night. I was at the Spurs game and I'll be at our Rodeo (off and on) for the next week or so!!

Something to ponder: MORE on Shovel if you think outside the box and what Casey googled: Shovel...........

http://www.myspace.com/shovelhiphop
especially #4 song ... Soul of a Player.........

[Edith2]

The zanny defence will be sure to land her LWOP, but so far they haven't laid anything else out there.

Hey...I just saw that there will be a Special Edition of NG on Tuesday!

Do ya think Nancy is on the "uninvited" list? :biggrin:

[apothecary]

In Caseys statements to her parents in the last phone calls at the jail visits whenshe said 'what about me ,I have no support' or something like that "she almost implied to me Feel sorry for me I had to touch that icky mess (like she was angry with Caylee for dying and decomposing in her car).It almost seemed to me that she was angry that she had to deal with the mess that Caylee left behind.

[ConchGirl]

I think Baez has her convinced of being acquitted, I wonder what Casey thought of being compared to the fugitive?:sneaky:

Casey probably gave them the idea. :thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

Do ya think Nancy is on the "uninvited" list? :biggrin:

:laugh:Well you have to admit, NG has been laying it on pretty thick as far as defending George and Cindy, but one can not forget what she has said about Casey. :ohmy:

[PuffDragon]

Puff, I didn't say Caylee was in trunk, but that evidence that she had been in the trunk.
I think she had disposed of her before this, and yet the smell remained.

I'm sure you're right about that nc. It never would have been in the trunk at that point. But how could she expect to pull off a story of the car being stolen to account for Caylee being gone when she was standing next to it when TonE picked her up and already there was no sign of Caylee?

[happygert]

I think Baez has her convinced of being acquitted, I wonder what Casey thought of being compared to the fugitive?:sneaky:

LKB idea same thing in PS trial......Think it was ps that referred himself to the fugitive...it was one of them..mo.

[WillowInFlight]

In Caseys statements to her parents in the last phone calls at the jail visits whenshe said 'what about me ,I have no support' or something like that "she almost implied to me Feel sorry for me I had to touch that icky mess (like she was angry with Caylee for dying and decomposing in her car).It almost seemed to me that she was angry that she had to deal with the mess that Caylee left behind.

Just for a second I felt that too, and thought could it have been an accident, but like I said, it was just for a second.

[sunstar]

I think Baez has her convinced of being acquitted, I wonder what Casey thought of being compared to the fugitive?:sneaky:

I'm sure she'd like the part about being the "wrongfully accused". :smile:

[WillowInFlight]

LKB idea same thing in PS trial.......

So in her book, one theory fits all? :sneaky:

[Edith2]

:laugh:Well you have to admit, NG has been laying it on pretty thick as far as defending George and Cindy, but one can not forget what she has said about Casey. :ohmy:

Her condemation of Casey was what I was thinking about .... giggle

[cady]

I think she thought it was all about HER and she was the star of the show! And I think she's so enamored with Baez she's sure she'll be acquitted. MOO

She's enamored of every man within 20 feet of her. She's flirtatious by nature and simply doesn't know how to act any differently. That's probably the main reason why Baez doesn't want her in the courtroom, imo, of course.

She's gotten away with so much during her life that I don't think she has a clue to just how serious her situation is....and from what I know of Baez....well, let's just say that he probably isn't painting a real picture for her...imo

[happygert]

So in her book, one theory fits all? :sneaky:

yes but I think she got it from PS unless she told ps and he said it but it was said during his trial...

[happygert]

Ican't wait until this trial starts.. If they are still going with nanny did it wont casey have to take stand? if not how else are they going to try and blame someone else??? I wonder if baez has even thought aboout that or LKB for that matter

[Neffy]

I'm sure you're right about that nc. It never would have been in the trunk at that point. But how could she expect to pull off a story of the car being stolen to account for Caylee being gone when she was standing next to it when TonE picked her up and already there was no sign of Caylee?

Do you or anyone know if since finding the remains another hair test was done with the hair found in the trunk. Before they really just had Casey's and whatever brush Cindy gave them. Just to put this to rest since they would in fact be no doubt it was Caylee's it was tested against.

[WillowInFlight]

yes but I think she got it from PS unless she told ps and he said it but it was said during his trial...

Amazing. LOL I tried to watch that trial, but I have to say, PS gave me nightmares the first few nights.

[Ialwayswonda]

I don't live in Orlando, but I have two good friends who graduated from Tony Lazzaro's school (Full Sail) in the last two years. They had high grades and did very well, and were still unable to find careers in audio production or in video production/continuity. Each of them is over 30 thousand in debt for these student loans as Full Sail is very expensive. Soooo either Tony Lazarro's family in New York had a lot of money, or he had gotten a student loan. Neither one of them is my business, only meaning to point out the expensive nature of Full Sail. It is prohibitive for most people who want to go into audio or visual production. His functioning as a DJ at parties would fall right in line with his schooling.

This above was o/t, except that to say that the weekend gigs at Fusion and other places, such as apartment swimming pools, would be what would be expected of a student or even graduate of Full Sail. I know several people in recording studios and they DO hire graduates of this school, tho only for flunky work. Barely enough to live off, must less to feed a family. Since we know that Tone did not buy gas when Casey called him to the Amscot, we can assume that he, as with my other friends, was strapped for cash and could not afford to buy her gas or the needs of Casey herself (except when she brought food from her house), much less Caylee. {{this was not his fault nor do I mean to say anything about him in an unflattering way, as being broke is usual for students at Full Sail}}. Casey figured TonE was rich and he believed she had a lot of money in the bank. They were both deceived. She had figured wrong, IMO. TonE would not have been rich when he graduated, but more than likely just another extra at a recording or video studio. He would have probably made as much money dj-ing at a regular club than he would have made right out of Full-Sail. Google "bsschools" (think that't right) to find out more about this school.

I'm new and I think the posters on here are very wise. Some of us know those that have been psycopaths or sociopaths as young children and even thru adolescence and into adulthood, yet **SNAP** out of it as they age. I think that Casey only thought about herself at the time of Caylee's murder. Her desire to win the approval of TonE was soooo important to her that she was willing to take a chance by leaving Caylee unattended and drugged in her car. IMOonly, Caylee died there and was later dumped at the discovery site.

I pray that the memorial for Casey far exceeds the needs or wants of her biological mother. I hope that it addresses the loveliness and innocence and the cherished honesty found in such a young girl. There is no real magic in this world except for the magic found in such a young child. :wub:

Caylee, I read often. Everywhere that I can. But I place my words here to congratulate you on being in peace and to say that may G-D have mercy on those that cost you your very life. THEY know "what they have done". Only those that feel you pointing your little finger at them need squirm. And, IMO, they will, baby.

Caylee was like the newest buttercup in springtime, like all young ones are, and she was crushed out by what I consider to be an ill psychopath, who is and was more than sane enough to know the difference in what she did. Being disordered does not excuse this act.

She will pay eventually, but IMOO, her family is paying much more now than we could have ever considered. I don't know any of them. They each seem a bit cagey when interviewed. I know that the grandparents are going thru a hell we wouldn't wish on anyone. I know no one here would.

Sorry for the interruption, but after months of read-only I had to comment. Casey is over 90% proven guilty in my mind, yet I haven't seen all the evidence. (Perhaps the defense knows who the father is but we don't know yet, and why should we?) If the bio father of Caylee turns out to be another in the extended family, then I could see some of Casey's anger at those in her immediate family. I won't say that as slander towards them, as many people in the world have been caught up in such situations, horrible but true. But the other 10% remains free to hear the rest of the evidence. I think Casey killed her precious daughter, but under the constitution, I am held that she is, at this point, innocent.

May the memorial service be calm and covered in peace.
May the memories be pleasant and never cease.

[Dells]

My thoughts have always been. She ditched the car with bait inside. She expected someone to steal the car. Then their fingerprints would be all over the car. Evidence would be in the trunk that Caylees body had been in there. The thieves would be blamed for Caylees death and Casey would be able to play the grieving Mother of the Year that had lost her daughter to horrible thieves. I am so glad the thieves in Florida did not read the script.

Bolding mine....

:laugh: Too funny, nc!

I agree w/you. I think think Casey ditched the car when the smell started to become too strong. She was hoping that someone would steal the car and then it wouldn't be her problem any longer. So sad for her that it didn't turn out the way she wanted it to. NOT!:sneaky:

[ConchGirl]

Do ya think Nancy is on the "uninvited" list? :biggrin:

:cursing: A public memorial should allow anyone to attend. I have never seen a church turn people away. It is the Cindy show after all. She put George over the edge with talk of this and she could care less if he's mentally strong enough to deal with it. According to BC they haven't even considered a private funeral yet because they want to please the public. She has spent the last two weeks planning the extravaganza. It is my experience that a private funeral comes first. Has anyone here ever heard of an uninvited list at a memorial? I could understand that they wouldn't want the murder suspect there but that goes without saying. Every time I try to give Cindy the benefit of the doubt, I change my mind. I think the memorial is on Tuesday because People magazine comes out on Friday (Thursday night in some cases).

Here is an email from Cindy's mom to Cindy on 7/29 that reminds me that it is not just me.

From Shirley
To Cindy 7/29
dear cindy, we are sick over this.we are so worried about caylee. And we are very worried about you. Iv’e seen so many interviews. Now they discuss you after you leave. The only one who has remained kind to you, is mike on m and j. – then today you blew it, for every ones sake..yours caylee, and yes even casey, stay off tv or act like the person you really are, a nice person, who has worked for 30 yrs, making the home and raising a nice family. You are taking the spotlite off caylee. We know you love casey, but what about your future.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155446.pdf pg 26

[WillowInFlight]

Ican't wait until this trial starts.. If they are still going with nanny did it wont casey have to take stand? if not how else are they going to try and blame someone else??? I wonder if baez has even thought aboout that or LKB for that matter

You know in their own :sneaky: way, I think that they are hoping Lee will be charged with something, Can you see Casey throwing Lee under the bus?

[Neffy]

Ican't wait until this trial starts.. If they are still going with nanny did it wont casey have to take stand? if not how else are they going to try and blame someone else??? I wonder if baez has even thought aboout that or LKB for that matter

What Baez and LKB think about is the price of those Caylee photo's that are marketable. As long as they're marketable and there's a cash flow they'll stand by her side "bun"' in hand.

[Beach~Tenant]

Don't Miss: Just released video of tot mom Casey Anthony behind bars lashing out at her parents. New footage shows the dark side of Caylee's accused killer.

Watch it: Monday, February 16 at 8 & 10 PM ET

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Sorry if this has already been posted, but I thought I would just chance it in case it wasn't. I didn't know Casey had any other side besides the "dark side"!! why are they waiting until the 16th to air it I wonder?

[happygert]

Amazing. LOL I tried to watch that trial, but I have to say, PS gave me nightmares the first few nights.

OMG that Hair I was waiting for rats to run out of it....:w00t:

[Neffy]

You know in their own :sneaky: way, I think that they are hoping Lee will be charged with something, Can you see Casey throwing Lee under the bus?

What I was wondering about is what if that black trash bag has TonE's prints on it and it was taken from his house? Is Casey that spiteful that TonE hasn't come to visit that she'll instruct Baez to throw him under the bus if necessary?

[RiverWalk]

Yes I do, the first story from lenny in the rags I can remember was when he guaranteed that Caylee would be found in an area SW of the A's house, it was a couple of weeks prior to the big search in November.

TY and I remember the same thing. So much for LP not selling his $tory!! Let's not forget his paid web$ite.

Amazing that LP (or Tracy) isn't on the State's witness list since he seems to KNOW all. lol

http://www.wftv.com/news/18565940/detail.html

[WillowInFlight]

Welcome Ialwayswonda. I love your nic, and your words brought tears to my eyes. Thanks for you heartfelt post.

[PuffDragon]

Do you or anyone know if since finding the remains another hair test was done with the hair found in the trunk. Before they really just had Casey's and whatever brush Cindy gave them. Just to put this to rest since they would in fact be no doubt it was Caylee's it was tested against.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

>>>A hair, which showed signs of decomposition, was also found in the trunk. Sources said the hair matches hair taken from Caylee's remains.<<<

[happygert]

What I was wondering about is what if that black trash bag has TonE's prints on it and it was taken from his house? Is Casey that spiteful that TonE hasn't come to visit that she'll instruct Baez to throw him under the bus if necessary?

wasn't the one from tony's white small trash bag? IIRC it was.....might be wrong...

[WillowInFlight]

OMG that Hair I was waiting for rats to run out of it....:w00t:

LMAO, That was the weirdest, scariest thing I have ever seen, and the the short slick look after. OMG. He went from Psycho to an Osmond over night.

[WillowInFlight]

What I was wondering about is what if that black trash bag has TonE's prints on it and it was taken from his house? Is Casey that spiteful that TonE hasn't come to visit that she'll instruct Baez to throw him under the bus if necessary?

I honestly think that they are in the middle of cherry picking, nothing to prove that some else killed her, but to throw doubt out there that someone else could have. Know what I mean?

[happygert]

LMAO, That was the weirdest, scariest thing I have ever seen, and the the short slick look after. OMG. He went from Psycho to an Osmond over night.

ROFLMAO... It was said his wife made those wigs for him....:lol:

[TxLady2]

:laugh:Well you have to admit, NG has been laying it on pretty thick as far as defending George and Cindy, but one can not forget what she has said about Casey. :ohmy:


Cindy made some unkind remarks about NG on LKL right before Caylee's remains were found, also, as well as a a couple of other places, I'm sure.

[Kokopelli]

I don't live in Orlando, but I have two good friends who graduated from Tony Lazzaro's school (Full Sail) in the last two years. They had high grades and did very well, and were still unable to find careers in audio production or in video production/continuity. Each of them is over 30 thousand in debt for these student loans as Full Sail is very expensive. Soooo either Tony Lazarro's family in New York had a lot of money, or he had gotten a student loan. Neither one of them is my business, only meaning to point out the expensive nature of Full Sail. It is prohibitive for most people who want to go into audio or visual production. His functioning as a DJ at parties would fall right in line with his schooling.

This above was o/t, except that to say that the weekend gigs at Fusion and other places, such as apartment swimming pools, would be what would be expected of a student or even graduate of Full Sail. I know several people in recording studios and they DO hire graduates of this school, tho only for flunky work. Barely enough to live off, must less to feed a family. Since we know that Tone did not buy gas when Casey called him to the Amscot, we can assume that he, as with my other friends, was strapped for cash and could not afford to buy her gas or the needs of Casey herself (except when she brought food from her house), much less Caylee. {{this was not his fault nor do I mean to say anything about him in an unflattering way, as being broke is usual for students at Full Sail}}. Casey figured TonE was rich and he believed she had a lot of money in the bank. They were both deceived. She had figured wrong, IMO. TonE would not have been rich when he graduated, but more than likely just another extra at a recording or video studio. He would have probably made as much money dj-ing at a regular club than he would have made right out of Full-Sail. Google "bsschools" (think that't right) to find out more about this school.

I'm new and I think the posters on here are very wise. Some of us know those that have been psycopaths or sociopaths as young children and even thru adolescence and into adulthood, yet **SNAP** out of it as they age. I think that Casey only thought about herself at the time of Caylee's murder. Her desire to win the approval of TonE was soooo important to her that she was willing to take a chance by leaving Caylee unattended and drugged in her car. IMOonly, Caylee died there and was later dumped at the discovery site.

I pray that the memorial for Casey far exceeds the needs or wants of her biological mother. I hope that it addresses the loveliness and innocence and the cherished honesty found in such a young girl. There is no real magic in this world except for the magic found in such a young child. :wub:

Caylee, I read often. Everywhere that I can. But I place my words here to congratulate you on being in peace and to say that may G-D have mercy on those that cost you your very life. THEY know "what they have done". Only those that feel you pointing your little finger at them need squirm. And, IMO, they will, baby.

Caylee was like the newest buttercup in springtime, like all young ones are, and she was crushed out by what I consider to be an ill psychopath, who is and was more than sane enough to know the difference in what she did. Being disordered does not excuse this act.

She will pay eventually, but IMOO, her family is paying much more now than we could have ever considered. I don't know any of them. They each seem a bit cagey when interviewed. I know that the grandparents are going thru a hell we wouldn't wish on anyone. I know no one here would.

Sorry for the interruption, but after months of read-only I had to comment. Casey is over 90% proven guilty in my mind, yet I haven't seen all the evidence. (Perhaps the defense knows who the father is but we don't know yet, and why should we?) If the bio father of Caylee turns out to be another in the extended family, then I could see some of Casey's anger at those in her immediate family. I won't say that as slander towards them, as many people in the world have been caught up in such situations, horrible but true. But the other 10% remains free to hear the rest of the evidence. I think Casey killed her precious daughter, but under the constitution, I am held that she is, at this point, innocent.

May the memorial service be calm and covered in peace.
May the memories be pleasant and never cease.


I had to quote your entire message. Thank you for an enlightening post. Well written, easy to follow, follows much of my thinking. Thanks and hope you stick around. Would love to read more of your thoughts.

[summer4meplz]

Welcome Ialwayswonda. I love your nic, and your words brought tears to my eyes. Thanks for you heartfelt post.


ditto that Willow.....welcome Ialwayswonda.....:biggrin:

[happygert]

What Baez and LKB think about is the price of those Caylee photo's that are marketable. As long as they're marketable and there's a cash flow they'll stand by her side "bun"' in hand.

My guess is the tried to sell them to the today show and they weren't buying what they were selling......:lol: now maybe they can sell the 1200 photos of casey...:lol:

[Neffy]

wasn't the one from tony's white small trash bag? IIRC it was.....might be wrong...

I can clarify. The one that the trash was in that's correct. But what if the other one was also.

[Neffy]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

>>>A hair, which showed signs of decomposition, was also found in the trunk. Sources said the hair matches hair taken from Caylee's remains.<<<

OH TY. I must have missed that.

[Mamie]

Why lock the car doors if you want someone to steal it?


Looks better on the insurance report if a window was broken to gain entry.

[sunstar]

She's enamored of every man within 20 feet of her. She's flirtatious by nature and simply doesn't know how to act any differently. That's probably the main reason why Baez doesn't want her in the courtroom, imo, of course.

She's gotten away with so much during her life that I don't think she has a clue to just how serious her situation is....and from what I know of Baez....well, let's just say that he probably isn't painting a real picture for her...imo
I don't think she's in touch with reality either, at least not by her appearances in court and agree, she's always seemed to get away with it in the past so why should this time be any different ~ at least in her mind. I think she's going to get a very rude awakening! MOO

[Neffy]

My guess is the tried to sell them to the today show and they weren't buying what they were selling......:lol: now maybe they can sell the 1200 photos of casey...:lol:

I would love to see a boycott from the media stopping purchase of these photo's. I mean they're baby pictures and one really isn't to different from another. Now the market may not back down from degenerative pics of Casey.

[PuffDragon]

wasn't the one from tony's white small trash bag? IIRC it was.....might be wrong...

I think you're right gert. The Manager at the tow yard said it would have been easy to find because they used the big black ones so the white one would have stood right out. He expected to find it easily but LE had already gone the night before and taken it.

[WillowInFlight]

Cindy made some unkind remarks about NG on LKL right before Caylee's remains were found, also, as well as a a couple of other places, I'm sure.

That night on LKL Cindy in George where in overtime defense mode. I think they knew what the next day was going to bring.

[ConchGirl]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

>>>A hair, which showed signs of decomposition, was also found in the trunk. Sources said the hair matches hair taken from Caylee's remains.<<<

A Caucasian head hair was found on the left side trunk liner exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition at the proximal root end and after mitochondrial testing it was determined that neither Casey Anthony or Caylee Marie Anthony can be excluded as the source of the hair. (Which means it is one of them) Since we all know that Casey IS alive and well at the Orange County Jail it means that precious Caylee IS deceased.


A Caucasian head hair found in speciment Q12* exhibits characteristics of apparent decomposition at the proximal (root) end.

This is before they found Caylee's remains.

[cassidy]

May the memorial service be calm and covered in peace.
May the memories be pleasant and never cease.


Welcome to the board. I hope you join in more. I think your sentiments are echoed by most here.

[RiverWalk]

My guess is the tried to sell them to the today show and they weren't buying what they were selling......:lol: now maybe they can sell the 1200 photos of casey...:lol:

This is the only time in my life that I HOPE and PRAY that the State will release all the photos (that they have) in a doc dump and pre-empt Team Casey. Once in the public domain then there is no reason to buy those pictures and line the coffers of Baez, LKB, Henry Lee, etc. pockets with $$$$$$.

moo

[apothecary]

Good to have you here Ialwayswonda.I often suspected the same thing that both TonyL and Casey thought that each had more money than in reality but that often happens in first impressions when couples first meet and try to impress one another and their friends.

[ConchGirl]

This is the only time in my life that I HOPE and PRAY that the State will release all the photos (that they have) in a doc dump and pre-empt Team Casey. Once in the public domain then there is no reason to buy those pictures and line the coffers of Baez, LKB, Henry Lee, etc. pockets with $$$$$$.

moo

I like the way you think RiverWalk.

[WillowInFlight]

If Casey wanted the car stolen do you think she was worried about an insurance report, most cars over 10 years old don't carry theift insurance.

JMO

Thats true, and why do you think she would leave it on a route that her mother took every morning?

[Dells]

Do ya think Nancy is on the "uninvited" list? :biggrin:

:laugh:Probably!

[sunstar]

<respectfully snipped for space>

I'm new and I think the posters on here are very wise. Some of us know those that have been psycopaths or sociopaths as young children and even thru adolescence and into adulthood, yet **SNAP** out of it as they age. I think that Casey only thought about herself at the time of Caylee's murder. Her desire to win the approval of TonE was soooo important to her that she was willing to take a chance by leaving Caylee unattended and drugged in her car. IMOonly, Caylee died there and was later dumped at the discovery site.



Hi and welcome! :seeya: I only snipped because of the length and to address this part. I don't think Caylee died by Casey taking a chance and after being left unattended and drugged in the car trunk. There seems to be too much about Casey and the way Caylee was found that confirms my belief she was deliberately murdered, probably in part so Casey could be with Tony, but also I think to spite her mother. I think Caylee was definitely in Casey's way of pursuing the lifestyle she wanted but she didn't want her mother to have her either. MOO

[happygert]

This is the only time in my life that I HOPE and PRAY that the State will release all the photos (that they have) in a doc dump and pre-empt Team Casey. Once in the public domain then there is no reason to buy those pictures and line the coffers of Baez, LKB, Henry Lee, etc. pockets with $$$$$$.

moo

Me too River ...I want D.A'S office to take the wind right out of their sales....or keep the money out of the bank of casey...lol

[Dells]

In Caseys statements to her parents in the last phone calls at the jail visits whenshe said 'what about me ,I have no support' or something like that "she almost implied to me Feel sorry for me I had to touch that icky mess (like she was angry with Caylee for dying and decomposing in her car).It almost seemed to me that she was angry that she had to deal with the mess that Caylee left behind.

I agree w/you. I think she is probably so mad at Caylee for making her murder her.:sneaky: It's all about Casey now. It always has been and always will be for her. She cares about no one else, just herself.

[Dells]

So in her book, one theory fits all? :sneaky:

Or at least when defending guilty clients...:sneaky: