Custody resolved in Fisher/Young case.

[kingbuff]

Maybe someone should forward these post to CPS so that they will know that they should expect some false reports.

You think CPS is interested in this board? Get a life.

[Alli]

And many are not. It's a shame that hateful people have to go out of their way to disrupt the lives of innocent and loving people because they so desperately want to be "right". IMO

Hateful people? While many tips are unfounded, I don't believe the motives of people giving tips is "hate." What is more important to you, the safety of a child or "disrupting" the lives of their caregivers because LE/CPS need to investigate?

[Tia]

Strange board tonight. Never have so many protested so vociferously about an investigation? Why shouldn't the judge investigate? What's the harm? He finds that Meredith is a pillar of the community and certainly not someone who would microwave a cat. He finds that she is someone he would love for his son to marry. He finds that Meredith donates half of her income to those less fortunate. So then he is able to sleep soundly knowing he gave a child to a grand home. What's wrong with that?


He CAN KB, but Jason ALLOWED Meredith PRIMARY physical custody. HE is the one that needs to initiate the investigation. Go talk to him.

[Alli]

No they don't. The FATHER has agreed. You are the only person who seems to have a problem with it.

I don't believe you are in a position to know who seems to have a problem with it.

[Tia]

I guess I'm confused. Why you would be concerned?

Her father just signed the consent order.



Ahhh..........simplicity at its finest!!! You are SO right Tacori!! Why indeed?? Seems only KB and Alli have issues with the agreement that JASON LYNN YOUNG signed off on.

[marty]

Strange board tonight. Never have so many protested so vociferously about an investigation? Why shouldn't the judge investigate? What's the harm? He finds that Meredith is a pillar of the community and certainly not someone who would microwave a cat. He finds that she is someone he would love for his son to marry. He finds that Meredith donates half of her income to those less fortunate. So then he is able to sleep soundly knowing he gave a child to a grand home. What's wrong with that?


Are you ok? The Judge was a woman :shrug:

[Alli]

He CAN KB, but Jason ALLOWED Meredith PRIMARY physical custody. HE is the one that needs to initiate the investigation. Go talk to him.

No, Jason agreed to share legal custody. Based on his agreement, the Judge is allowing Meredith primary physical custody. It is no longer Jason who needs to initiate the investigation into Meredith.

[marty]

You think CPS is interested in this board? Get a life.


Not anymore interested then they would be in MF.

[Tia]

No, Jason agreed to share legal custody. Based on his agreement, the Judge is allowing Meredith primary physical custody. It is no longer Jason who needs to initiate the investigation into Meredith.


Yes. it. is.

[kingbuff]

Ahhh..........simplicity at its finest!!! You are SO right Tacori!! Why indeed?? Seems only KB and Alli have issues with the agreement that JASON LYNN YOUNG signed off on.

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

[Leanne Weich]

You think it was just 'spite'? What makes you think that?

I can't see any other reason for it. To avoid having to be deposed and have a psych. evaluation, he gave away many of his rights to his child and, to our knowledge, nothing has changed substantivvely in Meredith or Linda's lives in the past 2 years, besides Linda having it confirmed that JY is a slayer, even if only in civil court.

[Alli]

Strange board tonight. Never have so many protested so vociferously about an investigation? Why shouldn't the judge investigate? What's the harm? He finds that Meredith is a pillar of the community and certainly not someone who would microwave a cat. He finds that she is someone he would love for his son to marry. He finds that Meredith donates half of her income to those less fortunate. So then he is able to sleep soundly knowing he gave a child to a grand home. What's wrong with that?

Nuttin' that I can see. Maybe she has more to hide than we know?

[Tia]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?
Jason, as Cassidy's father, had full control of the agreement. Still does.

[Alli]

Yes. it. is.

That's just your opinion and you're entitled to it, even though you are wrong.

[cognac]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

Ohhhh yes. I've noticed.

[Tia]

That's just your opinion and you're entitled to it, even though you are wrong.

Actually, I'm not. Brush up on your custody cases hon.

[marty]

Jason did not give away ANY of his rights to his child no matter how many times you post it.

Well I guess he did. Instead of being a full time father he's now a weekend dad and a few hours on holidays. If he didn't give away ANY of his rights how do you explain all this?

[Tia]

Jason did not give away ANY of his rights to his child no matter how many times you post it.


No, he didn't. He must really love and trust the Fisher's to agree to let Meredith have Primary Custody.

That speaks volumes.

Either that or he was scared to fight it.

[marty]

Actually, I'm not. Brush up on your custody cases hon.


I wonder how much child support he will be paying?

[on the go]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

Jason had an attorney, Kingbluff. You sound disappointed with Jason and alarmed that he would consent to the agreement.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

Yes, I’ve noticed. I’ve noticed that you have a problem with everyone except Jason. You blame MF, LF, the media, LE, the people of Raleigh, the people of Wake Co., people who are no longer friends of Jason, the attorneys, and now the judge. Everyone is wrong except for Jason.

[Tia]

I wonder how much child support he will be paying?


He hasn't worked, but the courts will base it on his "earning potential". I would imagine, a child Cassidy's age, he will be paying 250.00 to 300.00 a week to the PRIMARY custodial parent.

[kingbuff]

Jason had an attorney, Kingbluff. You sound disappointed with Jason and alarmed that he would consent to the agreement.

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

[Tia]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

By Jason agreeing, he took the judge out the picture. Get it?

[on the go]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

Your issue shouldn't be with the Judge. Jason signed off on an agreement that he wanted and agreed with.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

Jason signed the agreement. He, in effect, vouched for Meredith. He agrees that Meredith having primary custody is in the best interest of CY. Read the agreement.

Should the judge not have listen to Jason?

[marty]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

If I was as worried about the judge as you seem to be then I would see if I couldn't make an appointment with her I am sure she could sit you straight in just a few mins.

[kingbuff]

Yes, I’ve noticed. I’ve noticed that you have a problem with everyone except Jason. You blame MF, LF, the media, LE, the people of Raleigh, the people of Wake Co., people who are no longer friends of Jason, the attorneys, and now the judge. Everyone is wrong except for Jason.

Don't know about all those people, but tonight it's the judge. I have to believe you would be comforted if you learned the judge did investigate the person the child was to live with. I'm talking about any judge, any child.

[Barbara2]

I don't know why a couple of posters on here want to make Jason out to be such a horrible father. Why would a loving dad agree to a custody arrangement with someone that he considers unfit? Why would he do that??

[kingbuff]

If I was as worried about the judge as you seem to be then I would see if I couldn't make an appointment with her I am sure she could sit you straight in just a few mins.

Only if she told me she had seen the results of a thorough investigation and was satisfied. Think she could do that?

[Tia]

Don't know about all those people, but tonight it's the judge. I have to believe you would be comforted if you learned the judge did investigate the person the child was to live with. I'm talking about any judge, any child.

Jason isn't worried, why should you be?

[kingbuff]

I don't know why a couple of posters on here want to make Jason out to be such a horrible father. Why would a loving dad agree to a custody arrangement with someone that he considers unfit? Why would he do that??

Who said he considers her unfit? He has had no contact for two years. And how could he investigate?

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Don't know about all those people, but tonight it's the judge. I have to believe you would be comforted if you learned the judge did investigate the person the child was to live with. I'm talking about any judge, any child.

I’m sure they do investigate when one of the parties involved expresses a concern. But that didn’t happen. Jason signed off on the agreement saying it was in the best interest of the child. Why is he not concerned? He should know better than you, right?

Be careful of what you wish for. The judge may investigate and give Meredith full custody.
(IMO only)

[marty]

Only if she told me she had seen the results of a thorough investigation and was satisfied. Think she could do that?


I think she would tell you to mind your own bussiness and hit the road. That this has nothing to do with you. That's what I think.

[Tia]

Only if she told me she had seen the results of a thorough investigation and was satisfied. Think she could do that?


Jason can request that, as Cassidy's father. You need to talk to him rather than worry about it here. Call him KB. He may ease your mind.

[Barbara2]

Who said he considers her unfit? He has had no contact for two years. And how could he investigate?

Neither have you. Why are you so concerned?

[on the go]

Who said he considers her unfit? He has had no contact for two years. And how could he investigate?

And despite all your concerns and issues, he signs off. Why?

[kingbuff]

Jason isn't worried, why should you be?

Who said he's not? You're not concerned?

[kingbuff]

Jason can request that, as Cassidy's father. You need to talk to him rather than worry about it here. Call him KB. He may ease your mind.

I think the agreement prohibits Jason asking about it. The judge will do what she does.

[marty]

Who said he considers her unfit? He has had no contact for two years. And how could he investigate?

Thats true he didn't have contact with her in 2 years because he tryed to keep Cassidy away from her. OK let's think this thing out why all a sudden would he give in and give her Custody of his child. And not fight to keep her It just makes no sense other then he's hideing something.

[Tia]

Who said he's not? You're not concerned?


No. I'm not. And honestly, if you are worried, you should talk to Jason. Maybe he can explain the agreement to you better than we can.

[kingbuff]

And despite all your concerns and issues, he signs off. Why?

Who knows? That's between him and his lawyer.

[on the go]

Who knows? That's between him and his lawyer.


And I'm sure Jason and his lawyers did what was best for him.

[kingbuff]

Thats true he didn't have contact with her in 2 years because he tryed to keep Cassidy away from her. OK let's think this thing out why all a sudden would he give in and give her Custody of his child. And not fight to keep her It just makes no sense other then he's hideing something.

Maybe that's why you and I are not lawyers....among other reasons.

[Tia]

I think the agreement prohibits Jason asking about it. The judge will do what she does.


No KB, as Cassidy's father, he has rights. Unfortunately, by signing the agreement he gave up some. But if he is not comfortable, he has every right to demand whatever he wants to ensure Cassidy has a good life.

[kingbuff]

And I'm sure Jason and his lawyers did what was best for him.

I was talking about what is best for the child.

[kingbuff]

Party started without me. I'll catch up.

[Barbara2]

I was talking about what is best for the child.

You don't think that Jason wanted what is best for his child??? That's an interesting perspective coming from someone who claims to be a friend. IMO

[marty]

Maybe that's why you and I are not lawyers....among other reasons.

I wouldn't want to be:laugh: I just think you worry to much I don't think that judge would place Cassidy in any harm. I also think Jason should come clean with his family and friends it would make him feel alot better.

[on the go]

I was talking about what is best for the child.


Are you saying that Jason did what was best for him and not Cassidy?

[jerry50]

Not in terms of her fitness as a parent. But, if in their investigation of the murder, the cops have discovered reason for concern about Meredith being around children, they do have a duty to alert CPS. That's been true from the get-go and CY living with Jason.

I, for one, do not think that your attempts today at providing fodder for an insanity defense is going to save you from a defamation suit filed by Linda and Meredith. Crazy, yes. Insane, no.

[jerry50]

Thanks Card. I wonder how Jason's family are feeling this weekend knowing that in 5 months time they'll only be seeing Cassidy every 2nd weekend, bar his allotted holidays. I'd imagine my kids wouldn't be the top of my hit parade if they didn't put up a vigorous fight for my grandchildren if ever faced with a custody suit, irrespective of what crimes they may be trying to hide.

I bet there's a lot of talk (probably behind JY's back) within the family of what will happen if and when he is arrested. I bet they're nervous about how much of a fight they'll have to put up to see Cassidy given how the Fishers have been treated for the last 27 months. However, I don't believe L&M would deprive Cassidy of a relationship with them.

I'd love to be fly on the wall of Pat Young's house. I wonder if they realize that the bread they cast on the waters has come back to them. They should not expect any fair treatment from Linda and Meredith. Once JY is in jail the custody agreement says nothing about Pat, Kim and Heather having any type of access with Cassidy. And if I were Meredith and she does allow communication I would not let Cassidy out of my sight while she was with them.

[jerry50]

I've read all ten pages on this board but I think I missed something. Is there anything in the consent order or anywhere else that shows the judge ordered an investigation of the Fishers to determine if they are "fit and proper for the custodial roles herein (12-3)"? Is that normally done before someone is given custody of a child?

Actually, KB, you should check with your friend's the Young's to verify what many of us believe transpired regarding the custody suit.

JY's attorney more than likely advised him that he would not be able to avoid a psych exam and would have to answer the allegations that were made in the suit. Since he would not be able to do that without incriminating himself in Michelle's murder he had no choice but to accede to the demands of the custody suit. He had some control in relinquishing custody to Meredith and not to Linda but the agreement is written so that Linda will have full access to Cassidy for the rest of their lives.

There is no way an innocent man would not have fought for his daughter. Is this the way you raised JY? To give up his flesh and blood?

[jerry50]

I don't know anything about CPS nor therapists. I remember that the cops took the copy of the therapist report that the Youngs had.

Maybe that report had something to do with JY having to give up custody.

[jerry50]

He hasn't seen Linda or Meredith in more than two years. What does he know about them? I doubt Jason has the resources or experience or authority to investigate anyone. He consented because of legal advice.


Don't forget that the legal advice he received comes from a law firm that told him to remain silent so that he would not incriminate himself in a murder.

[jerry50]

I don't think they did anything out of spite. I think they were just trying to respect MY's wishes as set forth in her will. One thing I have learned out of all this is that wills are worthless. Michelle chose JY as her first executrix and her mother ended up being first. She chose HM as guardian of her child and her sister ended up with her child. MY sorta wasted her time in signing a will. IMO


I agree with you that Michelle wasted her time signing something--except I believe it was signing her marriage license not her will.

[jerry50]

This is a perfect example of why it is imperative the Judge conduct a full investigation into the Fishers before allowing Cassidy to stay overnight. You're advocating the Fishers ignore the agreement they signed and, instead, exact some type of revenge on the Youngs. Such actions punish CY, not the Youngs and the Judge has made it clear it won't be tolerated from either side.

Thje custody agreement says that Cassidy will be with JY when he sees his family. How do you expect him to do that from jail? There is no provision for visitation with the Young's without JY present.

[awareness]

JY only retains half legal custody and even less time physical custody. Its a clear victory for the Fishers. They've been deemed fit to parent Cassidy, there will be no investigation into them, its clearly stated in the agreement all parties signed off on.

[Jester]

There you go again. Who said I have an issue with the agreement? My issue is with the judge. You haven't noticed?

The judge did not make this decision, but rather she signed a consent order that was put forth by the lawyers. Jason did not respond to the custody application, per the custody order. An agreement was reached by the parties and it's a done deal. If the lawyers wanted to stipulate a home assessment or pysch eval of Meredith, it was Jason's responsibility to include that in the order. It's possible he requested it, Meredith contested it, and Jason agreed.

The signature of the judge is merely a formality in making a consent order official, so you'll have to focus your issues elsewhere.

[Jester]

Don't know about all those people, but tonight it's the judge. I have to believe you would be comforted if you learned the judge did investigate the person the child was to live with. I'm talking about any judge, any child.

The function of the judge is to assist parties in resolving disputes. She was not asked to resolve this custody dispute, as the parties resolved it themselves. She made the order official, trusting that the party's wishes were reflected in the order.

You really have to take this up with Jason if you think that he should have requested a home assessment, or evaluation, of Meredith.

[Jester]

Who knows? That's between him and his lawyer.

Exactly. You do understand that the decisions Jason made with his lawyers advice and assistance are reflected in the order, and that it is not the fault of the judge that your concerns are not part of the order.

[Jester]

Sorry but I have to disagree. The judge did make the decision. It is a done deal and if the Judge decides a psych evaluation is necessary, she'll order it. I personally think there will be scores of third parties requesting a psych evaluation of Meredith Fisher, offering her drug addiction history. If not, that's in her favor.

I'm not confused. A consent order has little input from a judge if everything appears to be in order. The recent custody order is a consent order, which is quite different than a judge's ruling. It also appears that the parties had sorted out all the big details, as well as the little details; including at which restaurant to meet for transferring custody. That is, it appears that the consent order was well considered by all parties.

You and your claims about drug history:blink: ... all based on nothing more than a comment on a webpage from six years ago where Meredith stated she was coming down off a high. Feel free to continue twisting that into an admission of illegal drug use, but no one with any authority is listening.

[Jester]

Well, Jester, since you are still here: none of the judges are at fault. That is nothing more than your wild imagination. your concerns aren't part of the judge's order. I think you are a real nut job.

I'm doubtful that personal insults are tolerated on this forum.

[Leanne Weich]

Jason did not give away ANY of his rights to his child no matter how many times you post it.

OFGS, grow up will you. Even an imbecile can see Jason gave away some rights when he signed the Custody Agreement. If having to share custody of Cassidy - not even on a 50/50 basis is not a loss of some rights in your opinion, then there's something seriously wrong with your logic.

You can post 500 posts a day repeating the same refrain but it will never make it the truth.

Jason happily abandoned his daughter to save his own rear end because he was following Roger's advice not to talk. If you think having an attorney file a Notice for COV; alternatively dismissal of the Fisher's claim is fighting for his child, I wont try to disillusion you with facts about how worthless that was. Sadly, Jason didn't disappoint those of us who predicted he'd settle the matter out of Court - I'd hazard a guess we were pleasantly surprised at how much he conceded. I honestly, foolishly, wanted to belive kingbuff that Jason loved Cassidy and Kat's contention that she is the centre of his world. Sadly, it appears to me that the only person Jason has a deep and enduring love for is himself.

Given how easily he gave up on his own flesh and blood, I'm thrilled that the Fishers stepped up to the plate to share their lives, love, hopes and dreams with Cassidy.

[Leanne Weich]

You do understand that you are presenting yourself as spokesperson?

Oh please. The poster was merely explaining how the Order came about for people who do not and/or will not admit just how basic and simple the whole situation is.

Talking about a psych evaluation and drug addiction therapy for Meredith is complete and utter BS. As for all the third parties who will be asking for that remedy, kingbuff, you and who else? Judge Sasser wouldn't even hear your (or any third party) requests.

Give up trying to sway people's opinions of what happened when Jason put his John Hancock on the settement agreement. He signed away a large portion of his rights to his daughter, plain and simple, like it or not.

[Doorbell]

I guess we will never know how much if any of that money will be there for the child when she becomes an adult. My guess would be none of it.

We shall have to wait and see on that one, won't we. Will you still be around in 16 years to discuss it, I wonder?

[Doorbell]

The WD suit didn't decide how the insurance company is going to pay it out, to who and when. CY is a minor and that complicates it. Whomever tries to collect it on her behalf is going to have to go through the same process to collect as Jason would have gone through. The insurance company for Laci Peterson's policy paid it to a court trust account. Sure, it gains interest but it's taken years for Sharon Rocha to get that money paid out.

Why does it always come down to the money? Aren't you happy for Cassidy that she now gets to have a strong relationship with her mother's family? That Linda can spend lots of time with her only grandchild, and the only living tie to her murdered daughter?

[Doorbell]

I wonder what will happen if the lead investigator states on a public document he thinks Meredith also killed Michelle. Ruh, roh if that happens!

Enjoy the day!

It's my opinion that the only people who (pretend to) think Meredith killed Michelle are right here, perpetrating their fantasy.

[Doorbell]

of course, a new "circumstance" will throw this entire custody thing into full tilt. What will it be? A new search warrant? A tip to CPS?


CPS takes a very dim view of frivolous "tips." They have enough going on with kids in very real physical danger, without allowing people to send them on wild goose chases. Why would you want to increase their burdens?

[Doorbell]

:confused: Jason still has full primary custody of Cassidy and his times of custody will be in his hometown. So a judge already ruled that Cassidy is indeed 'going back to the "slayers" home town'.

Every other weekend and holidays.

She will not be going to school there.

Her after-school activities, such as sports participation, dancing lessons, etc., will not be happening there.

The majority of her life will be spent in Wake County, not in Brevard.

[5swab5]

I don't think they did anything out of spite. I think they were just trying to respect MY's wishes as set forth in her will. One thing I have learned out of all this is that wills are worthless. Michelle chose JY as her first executrix and her mother ended up being first. She chose HM as guardian of her child and her sister ended up with her child. MY sorta wasted her time in signing a will. IMO

MY also wasted her time marrying a SLAYER! There is NO way that had Michelle known what Jason was capable of, she would had had those designations in her will.

MOO

[Doorbell]

Jason still has primary physical custody until August 1. A lot can happen between now and then.

Can you elaborate?

[5swab5]

Way off the mark? Fact is, Jason hasn't been arrested. Feel free to continue to rely on your non-American legal knowledge and logic. Frankly, it's too convoluted for me to consider.


Leanne's non-American legal knowledge and logic is just fine, Thank You Very Much.

What is NOT fine, is attacking another poster for where they do or do not live. MOO

[Doorbell]

He hasn't seen Linda or Meredith in more than two years. What does he know about them? I doubt Jason has the resources or experience or authority to investigate anyone. He consented because of legal advice.

Then, perhaps your queries should more properly be about Jason's lawyer, and not the judge.

[5swab5]

Strange board tonight. Never have so many protested so vociferously about an investigation? Why shouldn't the judge investigate? What's the harm? He finds that Meredith is a pillar of the community and certainly not someone who would microwave a cat. He finds that she is someone he would love for his son to marry. He finds that Meredith donates half of her income to those less fortunate. So then he is able to sleep soundly knowing he gave a child to a grand home. What's wrong with that?

Never have so many protested so vociferously about an investigation

What? All two of you? You are beating a dead horse.

Read the Child Custody Consent Order. The subject was mentioned no less than three times.

Page (2) # 11. Last sentence...The parties hereto have also agreed that they waive the right to conduct discovery with respect to each other.
Page (2) # 12. The parties waive further findings of fact in favor of the entry of this order.
Page (7) # 16. The parties hereto waive the right to conduct discovery with respect to each other.

MOO

[Doorbell]

Who knows? Maybe the aunt was looking for something else. Maybe the aunt is a slayer also. You don't know, and the judge doesn't know.

the judge has access to more information that is available to you or me.

[Doorbell]

I really don't understand why some of you continue to misrepresent the same facts over and over. Is this a game for you?

Jason did not give up legal custody, he agreed to share it.

He did not get visitation, he got a schedule of physical custody.

He got roughly the same schedule of physical custody (otherwise known, in popular parlance, as visitation) that any non-custodial parent gets.

He AGREED to give up his 100% rights to make every decision in his daughter's life, in exchange for joint legal custody (he and Meredith must discuss and agree on major decisions), and secondary physical custody. Where I live, he would be referred to as a "non-custodial parent."

Bottom line is that Cassidy will be living with Meredith, and probably, eventually, Linda, too. She will visit her father every other weekend and holidays.

He DID have "plenary" rights, and he DID give those up. At this point, neither he nor Meredith has "plenary" rights, as they have joint legal custody.

[Doorbell]

You forget: nobody has investigated Meredith. Who's going to tell the judge? Wait, do you think the cops have investigated?

I'm sure she was investigated right after Michelle was murdered.

I thought I read somewhere that somebody among Jason's supporters hired a PI to investigate the Fishers, claiming to have discovered all sorts of unsavory stuff, for which no paper trail, links, or other evidence was ever produced.

Guess that was a waste of money, huh?

[Leanne Weich]

Leanne's non-American legal knowledge and logic is just fine, Thank You Very Much.

What is NOT fine, is attacking another poster for where they do or do not live. MOO

Thanks Swabby. Same rehtoric, different day. Amazing how similar things are when it comes to reading and understanding legal documents or anticipating how cases will be resolved. Guess being an American didn't make her any brighter than the non-Americans since her batting average is dismal, to say the least.

[Doorbell]

Yes, but Jason just might be wrong. After all, he hasn't been around Meredith in years. If the Judge receives information from others with more recent knowledge of Meredith's character and whether she's fit and proper to care for CY, will she let her decision stand? Of course not.

Have a good night.

Oh. So you are aware of deleterious information about Meredith that is unknown to Jason or the Judge?

If not you, who are these "others with more recent knowledge of Meredith's character," and why have they not stepped forward to arm Jason with their "knowledge" so that he could fight the custody suit?

[Doorbell]

Maybe this 'fight' hasn't started yet.

The fight is over.

[Doorbell]

You might be surprised. Maybe the McIntyre's are feeling a sense of relieve. They have had over 2 year of turmoil in their lives maybe now they see a light at the end of the tunnel. HM has her new baby and life goes on. It isn't like they will never see the child again but they won't have to put up with all the turmoil with the Fisher's either.

Considering the Youngs are the ones to create the turmoil, by refusing to allow the Fishers to see Cassidy, and by returning their gifts, it's my opinion that they could have ended said turmoil very easily, without involving the courts.

[Jester]

I am really happy for Cassidy, that she is able to shed the remnants of the murder and go forward with her life. I have no concerns that she will be well cared for, and will adjust well to growing up with her mother's sister. What more could anyone hope? Thankfully Cassidy has a safe house, safe from whatever bickering has been going on between Jason and his mom or his sisters, about the murder or his wife, Jason's employment bickering, and safe from his misfortune.

She will be fine with her mom's sister and her mom, thankfully.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

You do understand that you are presenting yourself as spokesperson?
Why not the same complaint from you towards someone who has represented himself as a spokesman for the Youngs? Never mind, we all know the answer. (IMO only)

[Doorbell]

Hateful people? While many tips are unfounded, I don't believe the motives of people giving tips is "hate." What is more important to you, the safety of a child or "disrupting" the lives of their caregivers because LE/CPS need to investigate?

What's important to me is that many public, taxpayer-funded resources are wasted by people, well-meaning or not, who send CPS off to follow up on ridiculous accusations. And, while CPS is tied up with that, there are children in real danger.

Your taxes and mine pay the social workers, investigators, clerks, etc., that we trust to help children stay safe.

A teacher or therapist reporting a problem with a child should carry more weight than a person who may just have a gripe with the child's caregiver.

[Cardinal]

I am catching up and some of the things written just disgust me to be quite honest.

I have gone from being so very happy for Cassidy, Meredith, and Linda to being very afraid for them that a few nefarious, delusional, rabid JY supporters are going to try to cause problems for them after primary custody is transitioned. If something like that happened, it would be sub-human in my book.

And me, oneder. The thing that amazes me though, is that I have read posts on this board for as long as I've been here, stating that Jason Young had absolute authority to make decisions concerning his daughter - who she spends time with, where she lives, etc. And I've acknowledged that to be true.

Well, Jason Young exercised that authority to make the decisions which were incorporated in the custody consent order. So what's the problem? Do some posters suddenly, after claiming that Jason knows best concerning his daughter, no longer believe that to be the case?

[Doorbell]

You do understand that you are presenting yourself as spokesperson?

How does stating an opinion on a message board equate to representing oneself as a spokesperson?

If that were the case, we are all spokespersons for someone or something.

[5swab5]

Maybe this 'fight' hasn't started yet.

Au Contraire. The proverbial towel has been tossed, so Jason could continue his little charade and avoid prison.

Starting in August, Cassidy will be spending more than 7½ hours with Meredith...for each hour that she has to spend with the slayer. That is a GOOD thing! MOO

ETA, The numbers only apply if Jason holds up his end of the bargain. I don't look for that to happen very often and certainly not for very long.

[5swab5]

I am catching up and some of the things written just disgust me to be quite honest.

I have gone from being so very happy for Cassidy, Meredith, and Linda to being very afraid for them that a few nefarious, delusional, rabid JY supporters are going to try to cause problems for them after primary custody is transitioned. If something like that happened, it would be sub-human in my book.

I am hoping that vindictively reporting false claims has SEVERE consequences. I too, see the handwriting on the wall. I guess all we can do for now is capture the screen shots and make sure that they get to the proper authorities, if the need should arise. MOO

[Doorbell]

Au Contraire. The proverbial towel has been tossed, so Jason could continue his little charade and avoid prison.

Starting in August, Cassidy will be spending more than 7½ hours with Meredith...for each hour that she has to spend with the slayer. That is a GOOD thing! MOO

ETA, The numbers only apply if Jason holds up his end of the bargain. I don't look for that to happen very often and certainly not for very long.

The agreement states that Jason and Meredith, "or their designees" will meet to exchange custody of Cassidy. I'm sure that Jason can designate his mother or sister to pick her up.

[Doorbell]

I am hoping that vindictively reporting false claims has SEVERE consequences. I too, see the handwriting on the wall. I guess all we can do for now is capture the screen shots and make sure that they get to the proper authorities, if the need should arise. MOO

Oh, they are just trying to raise a ruckus. It's all sour grapes. None of them really thinks Cassidy is in any danger from living with Meredith.

If anyone does call CPS, they will have to have some accusation worth investigating. That Meredith mentioned the word "high" on her MySpace page several years ago, isn't going to fly.

I once had a disgruntled neighbor call CPS to report that my children were left at home alone, sometimes until 10 PM. My daughter, who was 13 or 14 at the time, was a certified babysitter (she took a course), and my son (4) had no bruises or other signs of maltreatment or neglect. I was a single mother, working two jobs.

The case was closed after one visit.

[5swab5]

The agreement states that Jason and Meredith, "or their designees" will meet to exchange custody of Cassidy. I'm sure that Jason can designate his mother or sister to pick her up.

True, but I believe that Jason's arrest will most certainly constitute "substantial change of circumstances" and force the Court to revisit the Custody Order. MOO

[Cardinal]

No idea. Perhaps they thought he was being misguided by his legal representation (who is supposedly one of the best for these issues)? It really dumbfounds me.

Maybe so. But for me, that begs the question of whether anyone could be misguided by their legal counsel into consenting to share custody of their child. Either Jason cares more about not being deposed than he does about Cassidy, or he truly believes this arrangement is best for his daughter. I don't see another interpretation here.

If it's the second, then I don't see a problem. If it's the first, it doesn't speak too well of Jason.

JMO

[Doorbell]

True, but I believe that Jason's arrest will most certainly constitute "substantial change of circumstances" and force the Court to revisit the Custody Order. MOO

I imagine that any rewrite of the Custody Order will include visits with the Youngs, though. I wonder if, in that case, Kingbuff will be clamoring for an investigation of their circumstances.

[Silsbee]

And me, oneder. The thing that amazes me though, is that I have read posts on this board for as long as I've been here, stating that Jason Young had absolute authority to make decisions concerning his daughter - who she spends time with, where she lives, etc. And I've acknowledged that to be true.

Well, Jason Young exercised that authority to make the decisions which were incorporated in the custody consent order. So what's the problem? Do some posters suddenly, after claiming that Jason knows best concerning his daughter, no longer believe that to be the case?

Good morning Card, I have to say I am a little shocked by the agreement that was reached. Why agree to Meredith being the primary custodian? If all the Fisher's wanted was to be a part of CY life why didn't he offer visitation or agree to joint custody with MF as secondary? This decision definitely gives me pause.

Sils

[gorealtors]

Maybe so. But for me, that begs the question of whether anyone could be misguided by their legal counsel into consenting to share custody of their child. Either Jason cares more about not being deposed than he does about Cassidy, or he truly believes this arrangement is best for his daughter. I don't see another interpretation here.

If it's the second, then I don't see a problem. If it's the first, it doesn't speak too well of Jason.

JMO

I'll go with door #1.:wink:

[Cardinal]

Good morning Card, I have to say I am a little shocked by the agreement that was reached. Why agree to Meredith being the primary custodian? If all the Fisher's wanted was to be a part of CY life why didn't he offer visitation or agree to joint custody with MF as secondary? This decision definitely gives me pause.

Sils

Good morning, Sils. I was hoping for your take on this. :)

I too was shocked that Meredith got primary physical and joint legal custody. That's an awful lot for Jason to give up. I think you have to ask yourself why he would concede to that extent.

JMO

[Silsbee]

Maybe so. But for me, that begs the question of whether anyone could be misguided by their legal counsel into consenting to share custody of their child. Either Jason cares more about not being deposed than he does about Cassidy, or he truly believes this arrangement is best for his daughter. I don't see another interpretation here.

If it's the second, then I don't see a problem. If it's the first, it doesn't speak too well of Jason.

JMO

I have to agree. He isn't an idiot. I am sure this agreement took days to put together. He made the decision to give primary care to someone else and I have to wonder why.

Sils

[Doorbell]

I have to agree. He isn't an idiot. I am sure this agreement took days to put together. He made the decision to give primary care to someone else and I have to wonder why.

Sils

From Kingbuff's reaction, it seems as if the agreement was a surprise to him. that, in turn, makes me wonder if Jason's family was aware of it before the fact. If they were aware, how did they feel about it?

[5swab5]

I have to agree. He isn't an idiot. I am sure this agreement took days to put together. He made the decision to give primary care to someone else and I have to wonder why.

Sils

So he could continue to keep his yap shut. We know from his emails to Kim that he is keeping a close eye on the other husbands with murdered wives in the area. Guess the Brad Cooper results showed him the light. He knows that he is a dead man walking, if he starts talking on the record. Self preservation, plain and simple.

MOO

We now KNOW that he will toss Cassidy aside for his own hide, how long until he throws momma under the bus?

[Cardinal]

I have to agree. He isn't an idiot. I am sure this agreement took days to put together. He made the decision to give primary care to someone else and I have to wonder why.

Sils

As do I. And as much as the decision itself, I'm surprised by the speed of it. He had an extension until mid-month, and I would have flipped a coin regarding the outcome of the COV motion. If that had been successful, it could have delayed the proceeding for a while yet and maybe even forced Linda and Meredith to refile in Transylvania County. Why did he concede so readily?

[Silsbee]

And you were the one that said the venue would be in Brevard.
You have a hard time understanding why he gave up physical custody of his daughter ?
Seems pretty obvious to most of us here.
Waging a battle to keep her would involve being deposed.
Words that certainly would be helpful to the DA in the criminal case.
His potential freedom was worth more than raising his daughter.

I don't ever recall saying the venue would be in Brevard. I had a discussion with other posters about the possible outcome of the custody issue.

As a parent I have a hard time understanding why there was no fight. He could have waited to see what the judge decided about the motion to dismiss and COV and he didn't. So it does make me wonder why that is - even if everyone here thinks it's so obvious.

Sils

[Silsbee]

As do I. And as much as the decision itself, I'm surprised by the speed of it. He had an extension until mid-month, and I would have flipped a coin regarding the outcome of the COV motion. If that had been successful, it could have delayed the proceeding for a while yet and maybe even forced Linda and Meredith to refile in Transylvania County. Why did he concede so readily?

That's a good question Card. I was just posted sort of the same thing. Why didn't he wait to see what the judge decided before coming to an agreement so quickly?

Sils

[gorealtors]

That's a good question Card. I was just posted sort of the same thing. Why didn't he wait to see what the judge decided before coming to an agreement so quickly?

Sils



Clear as day to me. A quick agreement= not having to open his yap.:wink:

[Cardinal]

That's a good question Card. I was just posted sort of the same thing. Why didn't he wait to see what the judge decided before coming to an agreement so quickly?

Sils

None of the answers I can come up with are very favorable to Jason, I'm afraid. Either as a parent or as suspect, IMO, in Michelle's murder.


(And I don't remember your saying the venue would be in Brevard, either.)

[Doorbell]

That's a good question Card. I was just posted sort of the same thing. Why didn't he wait to see what the judge decided before coming to an agreement so quickly?

Sils

Maybe he has realized that a stable home is better for Cassidy than having the two of them staying with his mother.

Maybe the responsibility of being a single parent is more than he can handle right now.

Or, maybe, as some have said, he does not want to have to answer to the charges in the custody suit, or submit to a psych eval.

[Cardinal]

Clear as day to me. A quick agreement= not having to open his yap.:wink:

That's one of the least favorable answers I've come up with.

[Cardinal]

Maybe he has realized that a stable home is better for Cassidy than having the two of them staying with his mother.

And that's one of the more favorable answers I've come up with. But that presumes that Pat's home isn't stable, and I don't believe that to be the case.

[Doorbell]

And that's one of the more favorable answers I've come up with. But that presumes that Pat's home isn't stable, and I don't believe that to be the case.

But, in Mom's house, you live by Mom's rules.

And then, there's that elephant in the living room that must induce a certain amount of tension, no matter what sort of front is presented to the world.

He can't deny the fact that, in two years, he has not made any move to establish a stable home for himself and his child. He has lived first with his sister and now with his mother.

It's not Pat's home that is unstable, but Jason's continued residence there.

[Silsbee]

I recall seeing you post several links from statute as a reason it would likely be moved to Brevard. The Fisher's attorney obviously knew what they were doing when they filed in Wake County.

Remember, this is Jason "the slayer" Young we are discussing and wondering about. His latest action only reinforces some views that he is a classic narcissistic sociopath.

It was a discussion. And it is possible it could have been moved. We will never know now.

Sils

[Cardinal]

Yes we will.
The Judge stated in her order that wake County was the proper venue.

Actually, the order states that the parties consent to Wake County being the proper venue. No finding was made.

[Jules2]

Actually, the order states that the parties consent to Wake County being the proper venue. No finding was made.


But it is also the court findings which were ordered, adjudged and decreed.

Under the conclusions of Law it was determined that the Wake County venue was appropriate.

[Cardinal]

CONCLUSIONS OF LAW

I.This Court has jurisdiction over the parties and the subject matter of this action.

2.Venue for this action is appropriate in Wake County, North Carolina.

Fine, I'll concede. It hardly matters at this point anyway.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

That's a good question Card. I was just posted sort of the same thing. Why didn't he wait to see what the judge decided before coming to an agreement so quickly?

Sils

I wonder if his attorney was getting a “behind the scenes” felling that the judge was not going to decide in their favor? I’ve always heard that a lot of cases are worked out on the golf course, at a dinner party, over lunch, etc. If this is the case, I wonder what Jason’s attorney and the judge know that we don’t. (IMO of course).

[Jules2]

I wonder if his attorney was getting a “behind the scenes” felling that the judge was not going to decide in their favor? I’ve always heard that a lot of cases are worked out on the golf course, at a dinner party, over lunch, etc. If this is the case, I wonder what Jason’s attorney and the judge know that we don’t. (IMO of course).


I agree, BSN.

If it's true that Jason only followed the advise of his attorney, then the advise given was either bad, or precautionary.


IMO

[alterEgo©]

CONCLUSIONS OF LAW

I.This Court has jurisdiction over the parties and the subject matter of this action.

2.Venue for this action is appropriate in Wake County, North Carolina.
It's only a conclusion of law because there was a finding of fact that both parties consented that Wake County was the proper venue.:read:

[Barbara2]

I'm really not trying to play devil's advocate but just honestly trying to think of all of the possibilities.

It could be because of his lack of employment opportunities that he feels the need to get away from the North Carolina area. It would be tough for him to do alone in a new town with a young child and knowing that she will be starting school in the fall. He is definitely not settled. Meredith will provide a stable living situation. It could be argued that Heather could provide that also but she does have a new baby and there was *rumor* of a possible rocky marriage relationship.

It's probably because he didn't want to have to answer questions but it's possible that he really was thinking about the best interests of his child. IMO (If I have to come back with a new nic, I think it will be Pollyanna.)

[Doorbell]

Probably not. I'm getting a little bored with the whole thing now. The child issue has been settled there has been no arrest so what is there to do but rehash old news. I may get more interested if JY or someone else is arrested do you think it may take 16 years for that to happen?

I surely hope not!

But, in 16 years, plus a month or so, Cassidy will be 21, and that's probably when she will be entitled to the insurance. You mentioned that you thought there would not be any left for her (or words to that effect). I just noted that, in 16 years, we will know for sure.

[Doorbell]

It's only a conclusion of law because there was a finding of fact that both parties consented that Wake County was the proper venue.:read:

It's moot. All parties signed the document, accepting that Wake County was a correct venue.

[alterEgo©]

I'm really not trying to play devil's advocate but just honestly trying to think of all of the possibilities.

It could be because of his lack of employment opportunities that he feels the need to get away from the North Carolina area. It would be tough for him to do alone in a new town with a young child and knowing that she will be starting school in the fall. He is definitely not settled. Meredith will provide a stable living situation. It could be argued that Heather could provide that also but she does have a new baby and there was *rumor* of a possible rocky marriage relationship.

It's probably because he didn't want to have to answer questions but it's possible that he really was thinking about the best interests of his child. IMO (If I have to come back with a new nic, I think it will be Pollyanna.)
As I stated previously, the consent order clearly states that the agreement was made by both parties as being in the best interest of Cassidy, so perhaps he really is thinking about Cassidy and not so much the possiblitiy that he could be deposed. And also as I stated earlier, perhaps he realized that Cassidy needs a mother figure closer in age to what Michelle was instead of a grandmother in that role.

I am wobbling on both sides of the fence contemplating the various reason as to why he agreed to relinquish primary physical custody to Meredith.

[alterEgo©]

It's moot. All parties signed the document, accepting that Wake County was a correct venue.
That's not the argument tho.

[alterEgo©]

Even if this had been moved to Brevard, the same agreement would have been filed, imo. The slayer had no intention of talking...period.
Even if his chances were better in another venue, he would still be deposed and that was not an option for him.

We sensed the Fisher's had him backed in a corner and his latest action proves that.Excuse me but you don't know for sure that he would have been deposed about the murder.

'We'????????

[Barbara2]

As I stated previously, the consent order clearly states that the agreement was made by both parties as being in the best interest of Cassidy, so perhaps he really is thinking about Cassidy and not so much the possiblitiy that he could be deposed. And also as I stated earlier, perhaps he realized that Cassidy needs a mother figure closer in age to what Michelle was instead of a grandmother in that role.

I am wobbling on both sides of the fence contemplating the various reason as to why he agreed to relinquish primary physical custody to Meredith.

I appreciate the fact that you can admit to looking at it from both sides even if it's tough to express it. :wink:

[BSNBREVARDNC]

It's only a conclusion of law because there was a finding of fact that both parties consented that Wake County was the proper venue.:read:

It's kind of a surprise concession on Jason’s part. I thought the COV would have been a slam dunk since he and CY were living here in Brevard.

[alterEgo©]

It's kind of a surprise concession on Jason’s part. I thought the COV would have been a slam dunk since he and CY were living here in Brevard.
Actully I was stunned.

[Jules2]

As I stated previously, the consent order clearly states that the agreement was made by both parties as being in the best interest of Cassidy, so perhaps he really is thinking about Cassidy and not so much the possiblitiy that he could be deposed. And also as I stated earlier, perhaps he realized that Cassidy needs a mother figure closer in age to what Michelle was instead of a grandmother in that role.

I am wobbling on both sides of the fence contemplating the various reason as to why he agreed to relinquish primary physical custody to Meredith.

AE, I agree that this might very well be the reason Jason agreed to joint custody, and if he realized that Meredith would make a good role model for his daughter and help with bringing a mother figure back in to her life, then I sure hope this puts and end to all the Meredith bashing I've seen on these boards.

Jason surely would not have agreed to allow this if he felt Meredith was unfit in any way.

IMO

[alterEgo©]

I appreciate the fact that you can admit to looking at it from both sides even if it's tough to express it. :wink:Thanks Barbara2. I've been on 'both sides' of a murder (family of accused/family of victim) so I really know what it's like to be in the shoes of some of the people in these cases we follow...

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I wonder if there is some other explanation to the custody arrangement that we have not thought of? Having family close by is a luxury for a single parent. Maybe there is a health issue with Jason mom or stepfather and it is changing their ability to assist with childcare. I’m not saying that this is what is happening but maybe there is some reason that we have not thought of that lead to this arrangement.

[5swab5]

I'm really not trying to play devil's advocate but just honestly trying to think of all of the possibilities.

It could be because of his lack of employment opportunities that he feels the need to get away from the North Carolina area. It would be tough for him to do alone in a new town with a young child and knowing that she will be starting school in the fall. He is definitely not settled. Meredith will provide a stable living situation. It could be argued that Heather could provide that also but she does have a new baby and there was *rumor* of a possible rocky marriage relationship.

It's probably because he didn't want to have to answer questions but it's possible that he really was thinking about the best interests of his child. IMO (If I have to come back with a new nic, I think it will be Pollyanna.)

I think you are giving Jason WAY too much credit. He has proven by his acts and deeds what his true colors are. He hasn't done one thing since the murders that wasn't by design, to insure that he could keep his mouth shut. If he was so altruistic, he would not have kept Cassidy from Linda and Meredith nor returned the gifts. AND, it wouldn't have taken the threat of a psych exam and a deposition to change things. MOO

[alterEgo©]

AE, I agree that this might very well be the reason Jason agreed to joint custody, and if he realized that Meredith would make a good role model for his daughter and help with bringing a mother figure back in to her life, then I sure hope this puts and end to all the Meredith bashing I've seen on these boards.

Jason surely would not have agreed to allow this if he felt Meredith was unfit in any way.

IMOI don't know if he ever felt Meredith was unfit. I think his bone of contention was with Linda.

I wish the bashing of family members on both sides would stop.

[Jules2]

I wonder if there is some other explanation to the custody arrangement that we have not thought of? Having family close by is a luxury for a single parent. Maybe there is a health issue with Jason mom or stepfather and it is changing their ability to assist with childcare. I’m not saying that this is what is happening but maybe there is some reason that we have not thought of that lead to this arrangement.

What I think it boils down to is "ability" versus "inability" to provide the best for a small child.


IMO

[alterEgo©]

I wonder if there is some other explanation to the custody arrangement that we have not thought of? Having family close by is a luxury for a single parent. Maybe there is a health issue with Jason mom or stepfather and it is changing their ability to assist with childcare. I’m not saying that this is what is happening but maybe there is some reason that we have not thought of that lead to this arrangement.I am holding out hope that it was Jason realizing that no matter how good a father he is to Cassidy, he would never be as good a father as Michelle was a mother. IOW - he was doing his best but his best was not meeting all the needs of his child and he realized that and loved her enough to make a difficult decision.

I liken it to the conflict a woman who puts her baby up for adoption has - a choice made so that the baby will have a better life than what they could offer at that time in their life.

[Jules2]

I am holding out hope that it was Jason realizing that no matter how good a father he is to Cassidy, he would never be as good a father as Michelle was a mother. IOW - he was doing his best but his best was not meeting all the needs of his child and he realized that and loved her enough to make a difficult decision.

I liken it to the conflict women have that put their babys up for adoption so that the baby will have a better life than what they could offer at that time in their life.



I can understand and respect your thoughts on this, but there are so many single fathers out there who do a fantastic job of raising their children on their own. My problem with Jason is that he obviously doesn't feel he can be one of those "Dads". This alone makes me question his role as a father and husband and what he was willing to do in order to make things work right from the get go.


IMO

[alterEgo©]

I can understand and respect your thoughts on this, but there are so many single fathers out there who do a fantastic job of raising their children on their own. My problem with Jason is that he obviously doesn't feel he can be one of those "Dads". This alone makes me question his role as a father and husband and what he was willing to do in order to make things work right from the get go.


IMOI agree, some single dads and some single moms do a fantastic job raising their children on their own. Not everyone is equipped emotionally to be the mother and father figure for a child tho so some single moms and some dads don't do such a good job of raising their children on their own.

A wonderful lady at church lost her battle with cancer which left her husband to care for their toddler as a single parent. He has had a very difficult time coping with the dual responsibility.

[Jules2]

I agree, some single dads and some single moms do a fantastic job raising their children on their own. Not everyone is equipped emotionally to be the mother and father figure for a child tho so some single moms and some dads don't do such a good job of raising their children on their own.

A wonderful lady at church lost her battle with cancer which left her husband to care for their toddler as a single parent. He has had a very difficult time coping with the dual responsibility.

But no matter how difficult, he does it, right? I mean, for the love of his child, he carries on and doesn't throw in the towel.

Sure, Jason has had over two years to fulfill the role of single dad, and I am sure it has been difficult for him, but to give up at this point is very troubling IMO. He obviously had no respect for his marriage vows when he cheated on his wife and now I am wondering if he just might be a complete failure in all aspects of long term commitment.

IMO

[alterEgo©]

But no matter how difficult, he does it, right? I mean, for the love of his child, he carries on and doesn't throw in the towel.

Sure, Jason has had over two years to fulfill the role of single dad, and I am sure it has been difficult for him, but to give up at this point is very troubling IMO. He obviously had no respect for his marriage vows when he cheated on his wife and now I am wondering if he just might be a complete failure in all aspects of long term commitment.

IMOIf his MIL filed for custody he might relinquish custody as we saw in this case. Hard sayin' not knowin'.

Had the Fishers not filed for custody, do you think Jason would have given Meredith the same custody she was given after filing?

[jerry50]

Probably not. I'm getting a little bored with the whole thing now. The child issue has been settled there has been no arrest so what is there to do but rehash old news. I may get more interested if JY or someone else is arrested do you think it may take 16 years for that to happen?

Could you be bored because all of your allegations against the Fisher's have now been made null and void? Jason himself signed off that Meredith was the best possible person to have the major responsibility of caring for Cassidy.

[cognac]

I think one major factor here might have been $$$$. I can believe that dealing with this Consent Order must have been a pretty penny in itself.

[jerry50]

As I stated previously, the consent order clearly states that the agreement was made by both parties as being in the best interest of Cassidy, so perhaps he really is thinking about Cassidy and not so much the possiblitiy that he could be deposed. And also as I stated earlier, perhaps he realized that Cassidy needs a mother figure closer in age to what Michelle was instead of a grandmother in that role.

I am wobbling on both sides of the fence contemplating the various reason as to why he agreed to relinquish primary physical custody to Meredith.

I think that if this was the scenario that played out that the situation between the Fisher's and the Young's would have been better. For a person to finally realize that he was unable to adequately care for his child he would have had to have had a sincere emotional base beforehand--like keeping Linda and Meredith in Cassidy's life and keeping open communication with them. His previous actions have shown that he has not put Cassidy first and I don't think he would start now.

[annalyzer]

AE, I agree that this might very well be the reason Jason agreed to joint custody, and if he realized that Meredith would make a good role model for his daughter and help with bringing a mother figure back in to her life, then I sure hope this puts and end to all the Meredith bashing I've seen on these boards.

Jason surely would not have agreed to allow this if he felt Meredith was unfit in any way.

IMO

Unless Meredith knows something he doesn't want told.

What happened with Linda also wanting custody?

eta: oh another question ~ What happened with Jason taking a psych eval?

[Tia]

Unless Meredith knows something he doesn't want told.

What happened with Linda also wanting custody?

eta: oh another question ~ What happened with Jason taking a psych eval?

Primary physical custody cannot be given to two different people in two different states for obvious reasons.

IMO, they went in full force and were happy had the outcome been either of them. The wording allows either Linda or Meredith to have full access to Cassidy, regardless of who is named the primary. Very smart move, IMO.

I believe that since an agreement was reached, they psych eval is off the table.

[marty]

I don't know if he ever felt Meredith was unfit. I think his bone of contention was with Linda.

I wish the bashing of family members on both sides would stop.


They all need to try and get along if nothing else for Cassidy's sake.
As for Linda Jason has to know she will always be a part of Cassidy's life just like he will be.

[Cardinal]

They all need to try and get along if nothing else for Cassidy's sake.
As for Linda Jason has to know she will always be a part of Cassidy's life just like he will be.

I agree, marty. Cassidy needs both of her families, and both of her heritages, IMO.

[Leanne Weich]

Primary physical custody cannot be given to two different people in two different states for obvious reasons.

IMO, they went in full force and were happy had the outcome been either of them. The wording allows either Linda or Meredith to have full access to Cassidy, regardless of who is named the primary. Very smart move, IMO.

I believe that since an agreement was reached, they psych eval is off the table.

ITA Tia.

Because Linda was not mentioned by name doesn't mean she lost anything. Just like if and when Jason is arrested, I don't believe the Youngs are precluded from exercising his rights of visitation to Cassidy. IIRC, there is a provision for him to designate someone to pick up and drop Cassidy off. I hope I didn't dream that - too tired to go and re-read the Consent Order.

TBH, I do hope that this arrangement was an altruistic one by JY, but I just don't believe that to be the case. I've never come across a parent, of either gender, just give up so easily for an altruistic reason in a custody fight.

If Jason is going to be arrested, I wish it would happen soon for Cassidy's sake more than anyone elses. If it is to happen, I believe it would be easier, in the long run, if it does before CY starts school.

[Cardinal]

~snipped for emphasis

TBH, I do hope that this arrangement was an altruistic one by JY, but I just don't believe that to be the case. I've never come across a parent, of either gender, just give up so easily for an altruistic reason in a custody fight.



I'd like to think Jason's motive was altruistic, too, Leanne. But it would be higher on my list of possible explanations if Jason had encouraged contact with Meredith and Linda prior to the custody filing.

[Tia]

ITA Tia.

Because Linda was not mentioned by name doesn't mean she lost anything. Just like if and when Jason is arrested, I don't believe the Youngs are precluded from exercising his rights of visitation to Cassidy. IIRC, there is a provision for him to designate someone to pick up and drop Cassidy off. I hope I didn't dream that - too tired to go and re-read the Consent Order.

TBH, I do hope that this arrangement was an altruistic one by JY, but I just don't believe that to be the case. I've never come across a parent, of either gender, just give up so easily for an altruistic reason in a custody fight.

If Jason is going to be arrested, I wish it would happen soon for Cassidy's sake more than anyone elses. If it is to happen, I believe it would be easier, in the long run, if it does before CY starts school.

One reason men don't fight is because men generally don't win custody cases against the biological mother. They can spend thousands upon thousands of dollars in attorney and filing fees, etc., but only in rare cases do they win. So, lots of men just settle for what they are given, simply because they can't afford attorney fees on top of child support, medical coverage, alimony, etc.... Women, don't even need to take an attorney to a custody hearing in most cases.

This case is very different because the biological parent is almost always preferred over extended family, male or female (assuming the father is not a murderer, drug dealer, etc.....). Since Meredith nor Linda are Cassidy's biolgical parent, for Meredith the be given PRIMAY custody, is huge. Jason should have won this hands down, even without an attorney, as Cassidy's only remaining biological parent.

IMO, this is an admission of guilt by Jason, to just give up like this.

[jerry50]

One reason men don't fight is because men generally don't win custody cases against the biological mother. They can spend thousands upon thousands of dollars in attorney and filing fees, etc., but only in rare cases do they win. So, lots of men just settle for what they are given, simply because they can't afford attorney fees on top of child support, medical coverage, alimony, etc.... Women, don't even need to take an attorney to a custody hearing in most cases.

This case is very different because the biological parent is almost always preferred over extended family, male or female (assuming the father is not a murderer, drug dealer, etc.....). Since Meredith nor Linda are Cassidy's biolgical parent, for Meredith the be given PRIMAY custody, is huge. Jason should have won this hands down, even without an attorney, as Cassidy's only remaining biological parent.

IMO, this is an admission of guilt by Jason, to just give up like this.

I completely agree, Tia. If JY was innocent and actually was unable to care for Cassidy he would have given custody to Heather, Kim or his Mom. To give it to someone who he deliberately kept Cassidy away from doesn't make sense.
I think that Linda had people with signed affidavits that were willing to testify about his previous behavior in court and JY had no way to refute them. He would have been ordered to take a pysch exam and give a deposition.
Giving up primary custody to Meredith was the path of least resistance.

[jerry50]

ITA Tia.

Because Linda was not mentioned by name doesn't mean she lost anything. Just like if and when Jason is arrested, I don't believe the Youngs are precluded from exercising his rights of visitation to Cassidy. IIRC, there is a provision for him to designate someone to pick up and drop Cassidy off. I hope I didn't dream that - too tired to go and re-read the Consent Order.

TBH, I do hope that this arrangement was an altruistic one by JY, but I just don't believe that to be the case. I've never come across a parent, of either gender, just give up so easily for an altruistic reason in a custody fight.

If Jason is going to be arrested, I wish it would happen soon for Cassidy's sake more than anyone elses. If it is to happen, I believe it would be easier, in the long run, if it does before CY starts school.

I think you are right about someone being able to pick up and drop off Cassidy because there would be circumstances where is JY was employed he would be unable to. But I don't think that it gives his family the same rights of visitation that JY has in the event he is in jail and cannot exercise his right to visitation. Every other weekend would be a very liberal visitation schedule for grandparents.

I think Linda and Meredith are both persons of high character and integrity and would allow Cassidy to keep up a relationship with the Young's but if JY is in jail Meredith should be setting up a timetable that works for her and is in the best interest of Cassidy.
If JY does go to trial and the Young's are in Raleigh for the trial I can't imagine that Cassidy should be around all the rantinga nd raving that would probably be going on in the YUoung's discussion of the trial.

I don't think it is such a bad idea for Pat to wonder how often she will get a chance to see Cassidy. She had no empathy for Linda and Meredith.

[Tia]

I completely agree, Tia. If JY was innocent and actually was unable to care for Cassidy he would have given custody to Heather, Kim or his Mom. To give it to someone who he deliberately kept Cassidy away from doesn't make sense.
I think that Linda had people with signed affidavits that were willing to testify about his previous behavior in court and JY had no way to refute them. He would have been ordered to take a pysch exam and give a deposition.
Giving up primary custody to Meredith was the path of least resistance.

I wonder why he didn't do that? I guess he knows he couldn't explain away why he handed custody over to his family?

[Tia]

When Linda filed for custody in December, that froze any attempt for him to transfer legal custody to his sister. If that was an option, no doubt he would have done it.


Right. So why not before? Why did Jason's family not do anything for two years?

:biggrin:

[jerry50]

When Linda filed for custody in December, that froze any attempt for him to transfer legal custody to his sister. If that was an option, no doubt he would have done it.

But couldn't he have tried to have custody given to Heather during the custody suit or do you think if he did want to give it to Heather that Heather would also have sued for custody?
Of course she may not have wanted to take a pysch test either.

[jerry50]

Wouldn't that still be an option? Doesn't he still have parental rights?

Any major decisions have to be made with Meredith from now on. His sole parental rights no longer exist. But this is the decision he made with his lawyer and he signed it. It's legal.

[Leanne Weich]

It's a consent order between himself as biological parent and a third party and I'm assuming he had good reason because yo-yoing kids between households does affect them emotionally. He dang well better reconsider if the little girl shows signs of distress.

I'd say if Cassidy shows signs of distress, it is more likely Meredith would do something about it than Jason. I'm not sure that would be considered a change of circumstances valid enough for Judge Sasser to do much about it. I imagine Meredith will get counselling for any distress Cassidy suffers from.

I honestly can't see Jason doing anything for anyone which could involve him having to talk, even if it is through his attorney and put on paper.

[Leanne Weich]

Even if he did that I don't think it would have ended the case filed against him.

Well, if a member of the Young family had custody, Linda would have had to institute action against that person but Jason would still have been involved, to an extent, in that he still retains his parental rights. It doesn't appear that Jason has been very forward thinking in anything but saving his own backside, imo.

[Leanne Weich]

Are you kidding me? Emotional distress of the child sure is a valid circumstance for Jason to petition the court to amend it. He's the biological parent and I'm pretty sure his parental rights are intact. It's not about Jason or Meredith, it's about what is in the best interest of the child.

Read the Order. Do we know that Cassidy hasn't been experiencing distress? The normal stress (and, yes, it is emotional) a child experiences when transitioning from one home to another wont, imo, rise to the level of changed circumstances. If and it's a BIG IF, Jason did try to petition the court, at best I believe counselling would be ordered. Cassidy is going to undergo various stressors in her life as is normal for any person and I very much doubt, if people involved in her life care about her, they're going to run to Court to attempt to resolve them. That, however, is academic imo as JY will be in prison one day and then, more than now, his only concern will be himself .... unless, wait .... he finds God. Isn't that what all criminals do when their freedom is taken from them?

[Cardinal]

I know it is legal. It can also be changed. I don't believe you are correct on the parental rights. Meredith doesn't have parental rights.

Yes, the agreement can be amended, if, in the court's opinion, there is a change in circumstance. A change in circumstance was the subject of much speculation on the board last night.

And no, Meredith doesn't have parental rights, but she does have joint legal custody. That's a powerful position under the law.

JMO


Gosh, that was quick.

[Cardinal]

No I'm just bored with the whole thing. All morning it was argued whether Wake Co. was decided by the judge or just by the parties to be the right county. Really who cares the case was settled regardless of what county handled it. My opinion hasn't changed I still think MF could have killed her sister. A lot of things point to that . Her inconsistent statements , the child being clean and the keys being where they were. Now a lot of people want to say the kid was drugged. In the 911 call that kid is chattering did she just jump out of bed wide awake after being drugged? I don't believe it for a minute. I believe someone was keeping her away from her moms body. Maybe it was MF maybe it was someone else. JY has always seemed to like MF Its her mom he does't like. So I'm not surprised that he has joint care of the child.

Surely Jason is privy to the same information we are, if not more. And apparently he doesn't think Meredith killed Michelle, if he signed a legal document trusting the center of his world to her, eh?

ETA: I hope I'm not boring you, confused. Maybe you should try a different forum for a while. That might help.

[Cardinal]

Not as powerful a position as parental rights.

No, it isn't. Which is the reason Jason could exercise his parental rights to bestow joint legal and primary physical custody upon Meredith.

[Leanne Weich]

No I'm just bored with the whole thing. All morning it was argued whether Wake Co. was decided by the judge or just by the parties to be the right county. Really who cares the case was settled regardless of what county handled it. My opinion hasn't changed I still think MF could have killed her sister. A lot of things point to that . Her inconsistent statements , the child being clean and the keys being where they were. Now a lot of people want to say the kid was drugged. In the 911 call that kid is chattering did she just jump out of bed wide awake after being drugged? I don't believe it for a minute. I believe someone was keeping her away from her moms body. Maybe it was MF maybe it was someone else. JY has always seemed to like MF Its her mom he does't like. So I'm not surprised that he has joint care of the child.

Unfortunately he didn't appear to like his child's mom either. As for always seeming to like Meredith, he sure had a strange way of showing it. He could have, in the past 2 years, arranged for Meredith to see Cassidy without Linda. I think he was jealous of Michelle's relationship with her mom.

As for your contention that Meredith could have killed Michelle and your other suppositions, you're entitled to your opinion, an opinion which doesn't seem to be shared by many people.

I've liked and even loved many people in my life but would never have conceded one minute of my time legally to someone else. Sorry, that is not the sign of a loving parent. If he was going to ultimately concede so much to his s-i-l, he could have done much less and got away with it, two years ago and still retained full legal and physical custody.

[Leanne Weich]

The child is transfering to the home of a non-parent, leaving behind her only parent and friends. She'll be starting school with strangers. The majority if not all of her classmates will be living with at least one parent. Her mother was murdered and whether she has overcome that traumatic loss is unknown. I would not call these circumstances normal. The Judge didn't order the arrangement so, yes I think a Judge most certainly would intervene to consider the best interests of the child if petitioned to do so. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

Whilst I'm happy to agree to disagree, I'd just like to point out that the Judge did, in fact, Order this arrangement. No matter how much people want to try to make it look like this is something informal betweenMY & JY, it is far from that. A Consent Order is as valid as any other Order in the legal sense.

[Cardinal]

I agree. It's his decision. If there is a substantial, material change that affects the best interest of the child--such as an emotional crisis triggered by her moving into a new home with a non-parent--who do you think the Judge will favor?

I have no idea. It would depend, I imagine, upon the facts before her.

[Tia]

The child is transfering to the home of a non-parent, leaving behind her only parent and friends. She'll be starting school with strangers. The majority if not all of her classmates will be living with at least one parent. Her mother was murdered and whether she has overcome that traumatic loss is unknown. I would not call these circumstances normal. The Judge didn't order the arrangement so, yes I think a Judge most certainly would intervene to consider the best interests of the child if petitioned to do so. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.


Thats why I say Jason would have won had he fought it. He didn't. He let Cassidy go and let Meredith have PRIMARY physical custody all to cover his own butt. So, IMO, that shows his true character and who, in his world, is really most important. Cassidy IMO, is MUCH better off and she will adjust to the change. Millions of children of divorce deal with it every day, unfortunately, they don't have the added stress of their father being named the slayer of their mother.

[Tia]

I agree. It's his decision. If there is a substantial, material change that affects the best interest of the child--such as an emotional crisis triggered by her moving into a new home with a non-parent--who do you think the Judge will favor?


I really wouldn't worry about it. Jason isn't going in front of a judge no matter what.

[Leanne Weich]

The child is transfering to the home of a non-parent, leaving behind her only parent and friends. She'll be starting school with strangers. The majority if not all of her classmates will be living with at least one parent. Her mother was murdered and whether she has overcome that traumatic loss is unknown. I would not call these circumstances normal. The Judge didn't order the arrangement so, yes I think a Judge most certainly would intervene to consider the best interests of the child if petitioned to do so. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I don't know how to quote multiple posts but the Judge did Order the arrangement even though it was an arrangement arrived at by consent and wasn't an arrangement crafted by the Judge. We might be coming down to semantics here, I'm not sure.

[alterEgo©]

Jason may like Meredith a lot but he does have a child to consider and it seems like he and Meredith made a decision on what suited themselves, not her. He's sending a five-year-old away from himself and her home to live with an aunt she's hardly seen in half her life. I dunno, I think that is a emotional disaster waiting to happen no matter how well they handle the transition.I was wondering about that earlier....what will they do if Cassidy freaks out at the thought of being away from her daddy and not living with him anymore. :sad:

[annalyzer]

The child is transfering to the home of a non-parent, leaving behind her only parent and friends. She'll be starting school with strangers. The majority if not all of her classmates will be living with at least one parent. Her mother was murdered and whether she has overcome that traumatic loss is unknown. I would not call these circumstances normal. The Judge didn't order the arrangement so, yes I think a Judge most certainly would intervene to consider the best interests of the child if petitioned to do so. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.


It will be a good thing if Jason is arrested and sent to prison. She'll already be used to not being around him all the time.

[Tia]

I was wondering about that earlier....what will they do if Cassidy freaks out at the thought of being away from her daddy and not living with him anymore. :sad:

Order counseling. Meredith has primary custody so the courts will not rip Cassidy away and send her back to Jason.

Lots of kids go through that in custody transitions. There are many resources available today for children, even most schools provide counseling for kids in custody situations.

[annalyzer]

Primary physical custody cannot be given to two different people in two different states for obvious reasons.

IMO, they went in full force and were happy had the outcome been either of them. The wording allows either Linda or Meredith to have full access to Cassidy, regardless of who is named the primary. Very smart move, IMO.

I believe that since an agreement was reached, they psych eval is off the table.

Thanks Tia.

[Cardinal]

It will be a good thing if Jason is arrested and sent to prison. She'll already be used to not being around him all the time.

Hi, anna, good to see you. :seeya:

I had the same thought. That this transition may spare Cassidy a great deal of trauma if Jason is arrested.

[annalyzer]

Hi, anna, good to see you. :seeya:

I had the same thought. That this transition may spare Cassidy a great deal of trauma if Jason is arrested.


Hi Card. :wub:

[Cardinal]

Hi Card. :wub:

So were you surprised to hear of the custody settlement?

[Tia]

Hi, anna, good to see you. :seeya:

I had the same thought. That this transition may spare Cassidy a great deal of trauma if Jason is arrested.


Which could be why Jason gave up without a fight. Maybe he does have some compassion? I have a hard time believing that though. If he murdered Michelle, to leave Cassidy alone to find her dead mother shows zero compassion, to send Michelle's sister to the house to save her and discover Michelle shows even less than zero.

IMO

[annalyzer]

So were you surprised to hear of the custody settlement?


Yes! Well for one thing because I thought the hearing wasnt' until the 12th or so.

[Cardinal]

Which could be why Jason gave up without a fight. Maybe he does have some compassion? I have a hard time believing that though. If he murdered Michelle, to leave Cassidy alone to find her dead mother shows zero compassion, to send Michelle's sister to the house to save her and discover Michelle shows even less than zero.

IMO

Except that I've always believed, and still do, that he loves Cassidy. Maybe she brings out the best in him.

[Cardinal]

Yes! Well for one thing because I thought the hearing wasnt' until the 12th or so.

We all did, or most of us anyway, I think. I wasn't only surprised by the agreement, I was surprised by how quickly it was reached.

[jerry50]

I was wondering about that earlier....what will they do if Cassidy freaks out at the thought of being away from her daddy and not living with him anymore. :sad:

Maybe they should use JY's method of dealing with an absent parent--never mention them again. From what we have heard this was his way of dealing with Michelle's absence.

There is not a perfect answer for Cassidy but living with Meredith will give her stability with her own house and her own room. If she was being shuttled between Heather's and Pat's that was not an ideal solution for a little girl who left her cold bloody Mother in her home and never saw either of them again.

[marty]

I think you are right about someone being able to pick up and drop off Cassidy because there would be circumstances where is JY was employed he would be unable to. But I don't think that it gives his family the same rights of visitation that JY has in the event he is in jail and cannot exercise his right to visitation. Every other weekend would be a very liberal visitation schedule for grandparents.

I think Linda and Meredith are both persons of high character and integrity and would allow Cassidy to keep up a relationship with the Young's but if JY is in jail Meredith should be setting up a timetable that works for her and is in the best interest of Cassidy.
If JY does go to trial and the Young's are in Raleigh for the trial I can't imagine that Cassidy should be around all the rantinga nd raving that would probably be going on in the YUoung's discussion of the trial.

I don't think it is such a bad idea for Pat to wonder how often she will get a chance to see Cassidy. She had no empathy for Linda and Meredith.

Good Post !

[Leanne Weich]

We all did, or most of us anyway, I think. I wasn't only surprised by the agreement, I was surprised by how quickly it was reached.

Card, I have to be honest and say neither surprised me totally. When the matter was removed from the Court roll and not rescheduled, I thought a settlement had been reached. I was surprised at just how much JY conceded. I thought he might give them visitation (much like he has) but certainly not quite as liberal as it is. The thing that led me to believe he would settle was reading that Ms Stubbs was, at one time, a family Court Judge who, in fact, ruled against a COV in pretty similar circumstances to those Meredith faced. Add to that what has been revealed to date in the SWs and Jason's silence (on the advice of an excellent criminal defense attorney) and she really had no choice but to recommend a settlement.

JMO.

[Cardinal]

Card, I have to be honest and say neither surprised me totally. When the matter was removed from the Court roll and not rescheduled, I thought a settlement had been reached. I was surprised at just how much JY conceded. I thought he might give them visitation (much like he has) but certainly not quite as liberal as it is. The thing that led me to believe he would settle was reading that Ms Stubbs was, at one time, a family Court Judge who, in fact, ruled against a COV in pretty similar circumstances to those Meredith faced. Add to that what has been revealed to date in the SWs and Jason's silence (on the advice of an excellent criminal defense attorney) and she really had no choice but to recommend a settlement.

JMO.

I honestly didn't see this coming, Leanne. I hoped, very much, for a settlement, but the one agreed to gives Meredith much more authority and a much greater role in Cassidy's life than I ever imagined would be the case.

[Leanne Weich]

I wouldn't exactly call Roger Smith jr an 'excellent defense lawyer'.
That praise should reserved for his dad and uncle.
I do think Ms Stubbs was briefed by Mr Smith and agreed that talking in depositions was not an option.

Thanks for this info. I was just accepting other people's view that he is an excellent defense lawyer. My non-American legal knowledge (thanks for the description Alli) doesn't extend to the abilities of lawyers other than those of high profile I've followed in cases.

[jerry50]

If Jason is arrested and sent to prison, couldn't she still live in her home with her grandparents as she does now? I just don't understand inflicting more emotional trauma on an already motherless child when it is so unnecessary.

In order for that possibility JY would have had to have answered the custody suit with a psych exam, depositions and rebuttals to the allegations. He chose to put himself first and negotiated the settlement with Linda and Meredith. He is the one who signed the agreement and he stipulated that this agreement was in the best interest for Cassidy.

If JY was so concerned about inflicting emotional trauma on his daughter he should have filed for divorce instead of killing her Mother.

[Cardinal]

If Jason is arrested and sent to prison, couldn't she still live in her home with her grandparents as she does now? I just don't understand inflicting more emotional trauma on an already motherless child when it is so unnecessary.

You're presuming trauma, without substantiation, IMO. Based upon the pics I've seen (and no, I don't have links, but if you've been following this case for longer than today, I'm sure you've seen them too), Cassidy adores her Aunt Meredith and Grandma Linda. How do you derive trauma from that?

And this settlement wasn't predicated upon Jason's arrest. It was predicated upon Jason's choice. Are you saying you believe he would willingly inflict trauma upon his daughter?

[Leanne Weich]

In order for that possibility JY would have had to have answered the custody suit with a psych exam, depositions and rebuttals to the allegations. He chose to put himself first and negotiated the settlement with Linda and Meredith. He is the one who signed the agreement and he stipulated that this agreement was in the best interest for Cassidy.

If JY was so concerned about inflicting emotional trauma on his daughter he should have filed for divorce instead of killing her Mother.

I think the move to Meredith's home will be less traumatic than living in the same home with her paternal grandparents if JY is arrested. At least with the move, it is something new and exciting. She'll have the excitement of a new home, new surroundings in general and the excitement which will naturally come from Meredith with her new role as Cassidy's guardian. Were she to have remained in Brevard, her day-to-day life would have been the same with a void left by her father's absence and the additional trauma of her paternal family probably being in a state of extreme emotional distress and depression. Neither option is ideal, but, unfortunately, the lesser of the 2 evils has to be made the best of.

[Cardinal]

I think the move to Meredith's home will be less traumatic than living in the same home with her paternal grandparents if JY is arrested. At least with the move, it is something new and exciting. She'll have the excitement of a new home, new surroundings in general and the excitement which will naturally come from Meredith with her new role as Cassidy's guardian. Were she to have remained in Brevard, her day-to-day life would have been the same with a void left by her father's absence and the additional trauma of her paternal family probably being in a state of extreme emotional distress and depression. Neither option is ideal, but, unfortunately, the lesser of the 2 evils has to be made the best of.

Very insightful, Leanne. And I don't think we should underestimate the resilience of a young child, especially when she's surrounded by love. I'm sure that's a large part of what got Cassidy through the aftermath of her mother's death, and it will get her through this change as well, IMO.

[Leanne Weich]

Very insightful, Leanne. And I don't think we should underestimate the resilience of a young child, especially when she's surrounded by love. I'm sure that's a large part of what got Cassidy through the aftermath of her mother's death, and it will get her through this change as well, IMO.

So true Card. I know this is hard to do but contrast the photo of Meredith and Cassidy when M&L had to make a clandestine trip to CY's school to see her and the one of her and JY in PR and it makes me hopeful for Cassidy's future. I know the PR one is probably a case of CY being cranky and/or tired but the MY one, she was put in a position of being with people she didn't have a recent connection with and not a hell of a lot of time to have become accustomed to them again when the photo was taken. I think we might all be surprised at just how well Cassidy adapts to her new life.

[Cardinal]

So true Card. I know this is hard to do but contrast the photo of Meredith and Cassidy when M&L had to make a clandestine trip to CY's school to see her and the one of her and JY in PR and it makes me hopeful for Cassidy's future. I know the PR one is probably a case of CY being cranky and/or tired but the MY one, she was put in a position of being with people she didn't have a recent connection with and not a hell of a lot of time to have become accustomed to them again when the photo was taken. I think we might all be surprised at just how well Cassidy adapts to her new life.

I think Cassidy will respond beautifully to being once more in the embrace of her maternal family. And unlike some, I believe the Youngs will do whatever is necessary to make sure this transition is healthy for her, because I believe they love her enough to do that for her.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[Leanne Weich]

:seeya: Goodnight Card - sleep well. See you tomorrow hopefully.

[Leanne Weich]

I'm saying apparently Jason doesn't care and neither does Meredith. Frankly, that alone tells me they are unfit to be making decisions about what's best for a five year old.

You must not be a parent. Uprooting a child from her home and parent is traumatic under any circumstances. Cassidy might adore her Aunt Meredith but that doesn't mean she prefers to live with her 24/7.

Jason's family should fight this and probably will.

On what basis do your propose they fight this or do you think they should/will wait until Cassidy is firmly ensconced at Meredith's home?

[on the go]

I'm saying apparently Jason doesn't care and neither does Meredith. Frankly, that alone tells me they are unfit to be making decisions about what's best for a five year old.

You must not be a parent. Uprooting a child from her home and parent is traumatic under any circumstances. Cassidy might adore her Aunt Meredith but that doesn't mean she prefers to live with her 24/7.

Jason's family should fight this and probably will.


They may have supported Jason's decision.

[Tia]

I'm saying apparently Jason doesn't care and neither does Meredith. Frankly, that alone tells me they are unfit to be making decisions about what's best for a five year old.

You must not be a parent. Uprooting a child from her home and parent is traumatic under any circumstances. Cassidy might adore her Aunt Meredith but that doesn't mean she prefers to live with her 24/7.

Jason's family should fight this and probably will.

Well then the Young family will have to prove why both Jason and Meredith are unfit.

Its thats the case, Jason will have to talk.

I hope they try.

[awareness]

I'm saying apparently Jason doesn't care and neither does Meredith. Frankly, that alone tells me they are unfit to be making decisions about what's best for a five year old.

You must not be a parent. Uprooting a child from her home and parent is traumatic under any circumstances. Cassidy might adore her Aunt Meredith but that doesn't mean she prefers to live with her 24/7.

Jason's family should fight this and probably will.

Well a judge signed off on their agreement, so apparently she felt Cassidy would be ok.

Children are resilient, I have 2 myself. Especially young kids like Cassidy is. Im sure with love and attention, which she'll get plenty of with Meredith & Linda, she'll be ok.

[Leanne Weich]

They could file for emergency temporary custody they way the Renz's did. I wouldn't wait. Jason isn't making decisions in his daughter's best interest.

They could in theory I guess. Somehow I don't think they'll do anything that would expose Jason as anything but a loving father doing his best for his child. In any event, a psych. evaluation would probably be ordered for both MF and JY and I don't think they'd take that chance.

[Tia]

They could in theory I guess. Somehow I don't think they'll do anything that would expose Jason as anything but a loving father doing his best for his child. In any event, a psych. evaluation would probably be ordered for both MF and JY and I don't think they'd take that chance.


I totally agree. Also, since Meredith has been given primary custody, its going to take a lot to change that now, especially since the Young's did nothing "legally" for 2 years to keep Cassidy from Linda or Meredith.

[Leanne Weich]

Hasn't Jason already been exposed? If their concern is truly the child's best interest, why would they not?

Exposed, not according to some people - you know, he did this because he loves Cassidy so much. If their concern was for the child's best interests, they'd have allowed the Fishers visitation for the last 27 months and avoided all this, imo.

[tpw]

Oh for goodness' sake!

Rentz + Krista = Lynda and Meredith

It's a done deal!

[Leanne Weich]

Renz's didn't have too much problem getting emergency custody.

No, they didn't. The difference is there wasn't already a custody disput just having been resolved.

[jerry50]

I'm saying apparently Jason doesn't care and neither does Meredith. Frankly, that alone tells me they are unfit to be making decisions about what's best for a five year old.

You must not be a parent. Uprooting a child from her home and parent is traumatic under any circumstances. Cassidy might adore her Aunt Meredith but that doesn't mean she prefers to live with her 24/7.

Jason's family should fight this and probably will.

Weren't you banned recently for continuing this same line of inane posting?

[Tia]

I've seen quite a few posters who are of the opinion he did this so he wouldn't have to talk. I think they're probably right. It's not been up to Jason's parents to allow visitation. They don't have custody and they can sure file for emergency temporary custody if they think Jason's actions aren't in the best interest of his child.

To do that, Jason will have to talk. Plus, IMO, Jason did not make any decisions without the input of his mother and attorney.

[Leanne Weich]

we'll see. I think they can and will.

I'm ceertainly not saying they can't but, it is my opinion, that they wont.

[Tia]

we'll see. I think they can and will.


Kind of like the poster who swore the whole suit would be thrown out?

Wrong.

[Tia]

Jason won't have to talk initially. Cooper didn't. The point is that it is a matter the Judge will have to decide.

I could care less if they file or not. It won't go anywhere because Jason will have to talk at some point. Neither Jason nor his family want that. IMO, their MO is simply to keep him out of jail.

[Tia]

isn't the point of this forum to allow opinions, whether the are right or wrong?


It sure is!!

[Tia]

I just read the Cooper ex parte emergency custody order. The Youngs will fight for their granddaughter just as they did. I'll be really shocked if they don't.

They'd be throwing Jason under the bus. Do you think they would do that?

[Tia]

Jason will have to talk to whom? His mother's attorney? Why would Jason fear that?

He'd have to go back to court with Meredith. The Youngs will be fighting Meredith and Jason. They will have to prove them both unfit.

[Tia]

What bus is that? The Judge is going to do what's best for CY. Isn't that all that matters?

IMO, whats best for CY is already in place. If the Young's disagree, they will have to prove why Jason and Meredith are unfit. Both would have to defend themselves and I highly doubt Meredith will give up as easily as Jason did (allowing Meredith to have primary custody).

[Tia]

Why wouldn't they fight Meredith and Jason? The focus is the child and her best interest. I'd fight my son if he agreed to uproot his child and send her to live alone with somebody else.

In a normal situation, sure, I think most would, but if your son was named the slayer in his wife's murder, would you still do it? Would you bring the child back if you knew your son was going to be arrested? Or would you let her go, knowing that you would still be able to see her and spare her the stigma of growing up in a town where her father is suspected of, or arrested, for murdering her mother?

[Tia]

That's your opinion. Do you think you are in a position to know what's best for a child you've never met? The Young's should fight for their grandchild if they think her interests aren't being served by Jason's decisions. Give it to a judge to decide. That's all I'm saying.

I said it was my opinion.

The judge DID decide! And signed off! Its a done deal.

If the Young's don't like it, they can fight it just as the Fisher's did.

[Leanne Weich]

That's your opinion. Do you think you are in a position to know what's best for a child you've never met? The Young's should fight for their grandchild if they think her interests aren't being served by Jason's decisions. Give it to a judge to decide. That's all I'm saying.

If they don't think Cassidy's best interests are being served and if they are prepared to devote the rest of their lives to bringing up a grandchild - sure. However, they may not be like you and I and do not want to sign up for that. Time will tell I guess. My guess right now would be that the status quo will not be changed.

[Tia]

Of course I would do it and I'd do it BEFORE the child left, not after.

I'd take every bit of information I had, get affidavits from her therapist, teachers, doctor and ask a judge to give me temporary, emergency custody because my son isn't making decisions in her best interest.

He'd have to go through psych evals and answer a lot of questions.......and he is the named slayer in his wife's murder........are you saying you would put your grandchild before your son?

[Tia]

I would if I thought my son wasn't making decisions in the best interest of my grandchild. Maybe a psych evaluation is what Jason needs?

But what a bad position to be in. If you do that to your son, he may wind up arrested (lets just say you are in Pat's place and Jason is your son). Do you do that, or let the child go and still be a part of her life?

I imagine its a horrible position for Pat.

[kingbuff]

Kids are tough. They are survivors. The cops, judge, the lawyers don't have a problem with Cassie living with Meredith. I hope Meredith with sign up for some child-rearing classes before she gets control, and maybe consult with child specialists for guidance in this situation.

[kingbuff]

I'd feel better about Cassie moving if I knew that the backgrounds of Linda and Meredith has been investigated and shared with the judge. Evidently that is not to happen. I hope Meredith doesn't let the board hype over the past two years influence her rearing of Jason's daughter. Maybe her experiences with Cassie will give Meredith a new outlook on life. I know being a parent does change a person's priorities.

[Tia]

Kids are tough. They are survivors. The cops, judge, the lawyers don't have a problem with Cassie living with Meredith. I hope Meredith with sign up for some child-rearing classes before she gets control, and maybe consult with child specialists for guidance in this situation.


Jason doesn't seem to have a problem either. Also, it wasn't a condition of the custody agreement that Meredith attend parenting classes.

[Tia]

I'd feel better about Cassie moving if I knew that the backgrounds of Linda and Meredith has been investigated and shared with the judge. Evidently that is not to happen. I hope Meredith doesn't let the board hype over the past two years influence her rearing of Jason's daughter. Maybe her experiences with Cassie will give Meredith a new outlook on life. I know being a parent does change a person's priorities.

Jason knows Meredith. And he agreed. I've heard (have no link) that neither Meredith nor Linda read here, so I wouldn't worry about "board hype" influencing how she raises her neice.

[kingbuff]

Jason doesn't seem to have a problem either. Also, it wasn't a condition of the custody agreement that Meredith attend parenting classes.

You're against parenting classes? I know the agreement. You think parenting classes would not be useful for Meredith or do you oppose them only because I suggested the idea?

[Tia]

You're against parenting classes? I know the agreement. You think parenting classes would not be useful for Meredith or do you oppose them only because I suggested the idea?

Actually, I was going to add that I think parenting classes may be good for her. This will be new for her too and she could use the support of a specialized parenting class, one that deals more with her situation, to help her help Cassidy make the transition.

[kingbuff]

Actually, I was going to add that I think parenting classes may be good for her. This will be new for her too and she could use the support of a specialized parenting class, one that deals more with her situation, to help her help Cassidy make the transition.

I have a daughter who used to teach those classes through the local community college. I'm sure Meredith can find a class, if she wants to.

[Leanne Weich]

Most parents don't have parenting classes prior to having children and those children don't come with how to manuals either. Meredith was, from what we've been led to believe, responsible for Cassidy's care when she was younger so she'll probably be just fine. Also, any problems or things of that nature that arise, Meredith has an experienced mother to turn to. Look at people who adopt kids, they usually cope just fine too - Meredith is no different, imo. The agreement, although quite simplistic and pretty generic was obviously made with a lot of input from lawyers and, I'm sure if they felt Meredith's childlessness had any bearing on her being fit to bring up Cassidy, provision would have been made for lessons in whatever area they felt she may be lacking.

[cognac]

Jason won't have to talk initially. Cooper didn't. The point is that it is a matter the Judge will have to decide.

Of course Cooper didn't have to talk initially - It was an emergency ex parte application! lol It was set down for hearing a week or so later for Cooper to respond and he consented to the children staying with the the grandparents and Krista. He was eventually evaluated by a psychiatrist and deposed. Yes, the Judge decided. Cooper lost.

The Youngs' aren't going to file for custody and jeopardize the relationship with the son/brother they've been shielding for 2+ yrs. jason consented to this custody order. End of story.

[Leanne Weich]

I know there has been speculation on this forum as to whether Linda and Michelle could ever sue anonymous posters for libellous posts. Here is a case where it in fact happened.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....2bd48105.html

ETA: Link is not working - I'll try to find another one.

[cognac]

Jason knows Meredith. And he agreed.

Enough to refer to her as a "rock" to his sister in an e-mail, as I recall!

[Leanne Weich]

I know there has been speculation on this forum as to whether Linda and Michelle could ever sue anonymous posters for libellous posts. Here is a case where it in fact happened.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont....2bd48105.html

ETA: Link is not working - I'll try to find another one.

Sorry peeps but I'm having problems connecting to the Dallas News website so I'll have to check it out later because my time is very limited now because I've got to get ready to go to work. A reference point would be something to the effect of "A couple found not guilty of sexual assault has sued 178 anonymous posters on the Topix web site for libel", if anyone feels like trying to find it in my absence.

[BiggerRedDog]

Sorry peeps but I'm having problems connecting to the Dallas News website so I'll have to check it out later because my time is very limited now because I've got to get ready to go to work. A reference point would be something to the effect of "A couple found not guilty of sexual assault has sued 178 anonymous posters on the Topix web site for libel", if anyone feels like trying to find it in my absence.
I couldn't get in from the link you posted, Leanne, but I think this is the page to which you were referring:
http://snipurl.com/bk7k2 [www_dallasnews_com]

[Leanne Weich]

I couldn't get in from the link you posted, Leanne, but I think this is the page to which you were referring:
http://snipurl.com/bk7k2 [www_dallasnews_com]

Thanks so much BRD. I don't know why I couldn't connect. That is the article I was referring to.

[5swab5]

(snipped)

Jason's family should fight this and probably will.

That would be a waste of time and energy. They don't have a legal leg to stand on. MOO

[5swab5]

They could file for emergency temporary custody they way the Renz's did. I wouldn't wait. Jason isn't making decisions in his daughter's best interest.

There is no way they are going to do that. Jason just reached a settlement that allows Jason to keep his mouth shut, they are not going to start proceedings that risk changing that.

Whatever it takes to keep Jason from seeing the inside of a prison cell. MOO

[5swab5]

I'd feel better about Cassie moving if I knew that the backgrounds of Linda and Meredith has been investigated and shared with the judge. Evidently that is not to happen. I hope Meredith doesn't let the board hype over the past two years influence her rearing of Jason's daughter. Maybe her experiences with Cassie will give Meredith a new outlook on life. I know being a parent does change a person's priorities.

Jason AND Michelle's daughter. The slayer may have erased Michelle from this earth, but she has full status on this board. MOO

[kingbuff]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/4487576/

Here's another article about posts.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/4487576/

Here's another article about posts.

Are you working on a rough draft of your apology?

[Leanne Weich]

Are you working on a rough draft of your apology?

So many disgusting things have been said about Meredith and Linda but, at the end of the day, the vast majority have been from not even a handful of posters under all their aliases. I hope the Fisher women are unaware of all the BS that has been spouted here in an attempt to take the spotlight off Jason.

[kingbuff]

So many disgusting things have been said about Meredith and Linda but, at the end of the day, the vast majority have been from not even a handful of posters under all their aliases. I hope the Fisher women are unaware of all the BS that has been spouted here in an attempt to take the spotlight off Jason.

My impression is they are not computer-type people. I hope no one tells them about these forums. However, I do hope someone will suggest to Meredith that she might benefit from a child-rearing class before August. Even veteran parents can learn new stuff. What's the harm?

[kingbuff]

I'm surprised the lawyers and judge did not mention support for Meredith and Cassie. Is that a separate issue that will be dealt with before August? I think it will be great if Meredith can be a stay-at-home mom.

[Leanne Weich]

My impression is they are not computer-type people. I hope no one tells them about these forums. However, I do hope someone will suggest to Meredith that she might benefit from a child-rearing class before August. Even veteran parents can learn new stuff. What's the harm?

There's really no harm in it but, imo, it is only being put out there as a way to try discredit meredith further. I bet if Heather had been given custody of Cassidy prior to having her own child, nobody would have even given parenting classes a thought. Look at the extensive checks adoptive parents go through. Are they made to take parenting classes before being handed their child - of course not.

[kingbuff]

There's really no harm in it but, imo, it is only being put out there as a way to try discredit meredith further. I bet if Heather had been given custody of Cassidy prior to having her own child, nobody would have even given parenting classes a thought. Look at the extensive checks adoptive parents go through. Are they made to take parenting classes before being handed their child - of course not.

Well, actually, adoptive parents are required to take parenting classes. You think I'm trying to slam Meredith? Think what you want. Meredith knows better.

[Tia]

Well, actually, adoptive parents are required to take parenting classes. You think I'm trying to slam Meredith? Think what you want. Meredith knows better.

You just spent 2 years bashing the Fisher's! Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to be their good friends now and expecting us to believe it! Its too late, you have gone too far and said too much, IMO.

[Doorbell]

I'm surprised the lawyers and judge did not mention support for Meredith and Cassie. Is that a separate issue that will be dealt with before August? I think it will be great if Meredith can be a stay-at-home mom.

Cassidy should be receiving SSI survivor benefits. Probably not enough for Meredith to stay home with Cassidy, though. Cassidy will be in school, at least half days, this Fall.

[kingbuff]

Meredith will be able to rely somewhat on college psych classes she studied. I'm sure she studied child psychology. However, some things are learned from experience and common sense.

Jason would not take his 4-year-old to a cemetery and tell her that her mother was under the ground. That's just common sense, yet he was criticized for that. A parenting class might help Meredith to recall/review what is appropriate/unappropriate for a child. This would include such topics as appropriate dress, food preparation, TV, movies, etc.

As a licensed foster home, I am required to attend work shops in parenting. I learn something every time and share my experiences with others. We learn from each other.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Well, actually, adoptive parents are required to take parenting classes. You think I'm trying to slam Meredith? Think what you want. Meredith knows better.

If you are actually trying to be serious, then no, I don't think some sort of parenting preparation would be a waste of time. Biological mothers have nine months to prepare for motherhood. So I don't think this is an absurd suggestion. It could come in the form of a class, books, or talking with close friends and family who are parents.

Plus, she will have her own mother to support and advise her. There has been a lot of criticism of LF but I haven't seen any reason to believe that she was a bad mother.

[Barbara2]

Meredith was very much involved in Cassidy's life before Jason took Cassidy away. I'm sure she will do just fine. If she has questions, I would imagine she would turn to her mother. That's what my girls do. They rely on me for my experience. For all you know she may have already had a parenting class. Many high schools offer them.

[kingbuff]

You just spent 2 years bashing the Fisher's! Please don't insult our intelligence by pretending to be their good friends now and expecting us to believe it! Its too late, you have gone too far and said too much, IMO.

You mean "Meredith knows better"? Meredith and I will probably never be friends. But unlike you, she is smart enough to accept good advice when it's offered. This is not about you, Meredith, or me. It's about Cassie. So go ahead and spin in your egocentric web.

[Tia]

You mean "Meredith knows better"? Meredith and I will probably never be friends. But unlike you, she is smart enough to accept good advice when it's offered. This is not about you, Meredith, or me. It's about Cassie. So go ahead and spin in your egocentric web.

Obviously someone showed up today only to start trouble. I refuse to be sucked in by you and your harassing posts.

[Leanne Weich]

Well, actually, adoptive parents are required to take parenting classes. You think I'm trying to slam Meredith? Think what you want. Meredith knows better.

I've never heard of adoptive parents being required to take parenting classes and I have an adopted child (who is now grown and a doctor) who, thankfully, didn't suffer as a result of having a mom who had not yet had children of her own. As far as whether I think you're trying to slam Meredith - if the cap fits, wear it. I doubt Meredith would believe anything you say. JMHOOC.

[Leanne Weich]

Cassidy should be receiving SSI survivor benefits. Probably not enough for Meredith to stay home with Cassidy, though. Cassidy will be in school, at least half days, this Fall.

Even if she receives SSI benefits, Jason should also have to contribute toward her upkeep, imo.

[Wyn]

Obviously someone showed up today only to start trouble. I refuse to be sucked in by you and your harassing posts.

Looks like someone is trying to right some wrongs but can't quite pull it off, and it's all still out there, in black and white. :wink:

[Leanne Weich]

Looks like someone is trying to right some wrongs but can't quite pull it off, and it's all still out there, in black and white. :wink:

Too little - too late, I'd guess.

[Tia]

Looks like someone is trying to right some wrongs but can't quite pull it off, and it's all still out there, in black and white. :wink:


Yes, a little too late!!

Leanne, its going to be interesting to see if Meredith files for child support. She is entitled.

[Doorbell]

Meredith will be able to rely somewhat on college psych classes she studied. I'm sure she studied child psychology. However, some things are learned from experience and common sense.

Jason would not take his 4-year-old to a cemetery and tell her that her mother was under the ground. That's just common sense, yet he was criticized for that. A parenting class might help Meredith to recall/review what is appropriate/unappropriate for a child. This would include such topics as appropriate dress, food preparation, TV, movies, etc.

As a licensed foster home, I am required to attend work shops in parenting. I learn something every time and share my experiences with others. We learn from each other.

I agree that you don't tell a child their mother is underground. You tell them that Mama's soul has gone to heaven, like a rising balloon, and that Mama's spirit will be around them always, and that what's in the earth is just the part left behind when Mama's soul left.

It's not an easy thing, to tell or to hear. She could be told that, if she speaks to her Mama, her Mama will always hear her. When all is said and done, a marked gravesite is better than nothing. I have personal experience in explaining to a child Cassidy's age that their parent is gone to heaven but would have stayed if possible.

If Meredith feels that she will benefit from parenting classes, I'm sure she will attend them.

[jerry50]

You mean "Meredith knows better"? Meredith and I will probably never be friends. But unlike you, she is smart enough to accept good advice when it's offered. This is not about you, Meredith, or me. It's about Cassie. So go ahead and spin in your egocentric web.

You are really a slow learner unless you truly want JY to face a needle. Before the DA officially decides on a punishment he will talk with Linda and Meredith about whether they would support the death penalty in this case. Keep talking and you may get JY on death row all by yourself.

[kingbuff]

I agree that you don't tell a child their mother is underground. You tell them that Mama's soul has gone to heaven, like a rising balloon, and that Mama's spirit will be around them always, and that what's in the earth is just the part left behind when Mama's soul left.

It's not an easy thing, to tell or to hear. She could be told that, if she speaks to her Mama, her Mama will always hear her. When all is said and done, a marked gravesite is better than nothing. I have personal experience in explaining to a child Cassidy's age that their parent is gone to heaven but would have stayed if possible.

If Meredith feels that she will benefit from parenting classes, I'm sure she will attend them.

My experience is that you don't tell a child Cassie's age about graves. When she has questions, you do your best to answer them. As she grows older and asks about the cemetery, you answer her questions. When she says she'd like to see the cemetery, you take her. Wait until she's ready and wants to know. From her child psych classes, Meredith probably already knows this. But a review of this and other issues wouldn't hurt. Would it?

[Doorbell]

My experience is that you don't tell a child Cassie's age about graves. When she has questions, you do your best to answer them. As she grows older and asks about the cemetery, you answer her questions. When she says she'd like to see the cemetery, you take her. Wait until she's ready and wants to know. From her child psych classes, Meredith probably already knows this. But a review of this and other issues wouldn't hurt. Would it?

I don't believe any sort of learning about Cassidy's situation would "hurt." I just don't think it needs to be mandatory. And, I think there are probably many different ways to help a child accept the unimaginable. I am sure that, guided by her love of Cassidy, Meredith will do just fine.