February 5 to

[alterEgo©]

Let's try this again.......

[Tia]

Let's try this again.......

I just typed out this loooooooooong post, and everything was gone! Thanks for starting a new thread.

Ain't that the truth. You get ganged up on and bashed and baited simply because you question what has been presented.

And it seems obvious to the most casual observer that the DA has the same type questions as he has not sought an indictment.

But you don't see the DA's office getting the immature remarks directed at him like those directed at you by so-called adults.

You are missing the point AE, there is a poster I skip over most of the time because the nastiness pointed toward the Fisher's, and the constant immature "gloating", among other things. I caught that one today because I thought the original post I quoted was very mean and hateful, coming from someone who then claims to want justice for Michelle. You can't type that you want justice for Michelle, after you gloated all day about how many days a named slayer has a small child in his care. I just doesn't make sense. And yes, I just shouldn't stoop to that level by responding.

Since we KNOW Jason has been declared Michelle's slayer in a civil court, as FACT, why are Fisher's career choices, weight, etc.......an issue? They simply want to see Cassidy who was a large part of their lives before Michelle was murdered. In their hearts they know Jason murdered Michelle and most here are of the same opinion, so of course they are seeking custody and filing a civil suit. I'd do the same if Michelle was my child or sister. I, as many others here, simply cannot wrap my brain around why Jason has never done one thing to help LE and lawyered up right away. That behavior leaves most of us under the impression that he is hiding something. The email to his sister, that it would "blow over" and comparing it to another case.....he obviously KNOWS exactly what he is doing if he is following other spousal murders.

I would much rather argue the intelligent points of the case, like WHY HASN'T THE DA SOUGHT AN INDICTMENT??!! What's the holdup?, rather than have to defend the Fisher's all day because one poster seems to enjoy watching the pain they are enduring.

Linda and Meredith have never been named Michelle's Slayer and we have never heard that they haven't cooperated, or that they were the focus of the investigation.

During the Peterson trial, you could get banned for speaking badly about Amber for those same reasons, we never heard she didn't cooperate, wasn't named a slayer, and was not the focus of the investigation.

I guess maybe I am still stuck on the "old rules"?

[Kat4Eagles]

Let's try this again.......


We have been told over and over again to discuss posts, not posters. :no:
We have also been told to ignore certain posters.

I was in the middle of a post too.
About whether Jason had scratches or marks on him.

My response was that,
No, I don't know if Jason had any marks on him, anymore, than anyone knows if he was wearing gloves or even if he went back to Raleigh for certain that nite.

Kat

[alterEgo©]

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.

[Kat4Eagles]

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.


We have all been making an effort to keep the Board open, in case something happens. That is all we can do.
Otherwise, we lose the entire thread and all the posts are gone.
:(

On the subject again, of no indictment/arrest, I think it is safe to say
something is clearly wrong..
Donnie spoke of a missing piece, and assured people that progress was being made since Jan. 2007.
t would be great to get a real official update though!
I think there was a lot of disappointment when the Feb 4th hearing came and went. Maybe some people were expecting a showdown
between the Fishers and Jason in court.
There have been a lot of dates that have come and gone with high expectations and no results.
Truly, a hard case to follow..

Kat

[Tia]

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.

I believe he would have to be convicted in a criminal court for that right to be taken away. But, again, I know very little of NC family law.

[alterEgo©]

I was in the middle of a post too.
About whether Jason had scratches or marks on him.

My response was that,
No, I don't know if Jason had any marks on him, anymore, than anyone knows if he was wearing gloves or even if he went back to Raleigh for certain that nite.

KatLE certainly had suspicions that whoever murdered Michelle had some type of marks on him/her because there was a mighty struggle in that bedroom. If Jason has no such marks, it certainly points the arrow to doubt.

[Barbara2]

LE certainly had suspicions that whoever murdered Michelle had some type of marks on him/her because there was a mighty struggle in that bedroom. If Jason has no such marks, it certainly points the arrow to doubt.

I disagree. I think that LE followed all avenues and possibilities in the beginning. They looked for marks but the absence of marks isn't proof of anything. It could be gloves. It could be that the victim thrashed around trying to get away and therefore there was evidence of a struggle but that doesn't mean she got her hands on him. I just don't see that as ruling him out. IMO

[Thomas]

I disagree. I think that LE followed all avenues and possibilities in the beginning. They looked for marks but the absence of marks isn't proof of anything. It could be gloves. It could be that the victim thrashed around trying to get away and therefore there was evidence of a struggle but that doesn't mean she got her hands on him. I just don't see that as ruling him out. IMO


Me either. Wasnt there some marks on his hands at the funeral?

[alterEgo©]

I believe he would have to be convicted in a criminal court for that right to be taken away. But, again, I know very little of NC family law.I would think if that were the case, the Fisher's would not have been able to offer the WD ruling as grounds to terminate his parental rights.

However, the statute does read that the parent has to be convicted of the murder of the other parent, as you stated.

I can find very little case law because not very many rulings in custody cases can be appealed.

[Tia]

Tia, I understand your frustration about what you see posted and your need to defend those you feel in your heart have been wronged the most greivous of wrongs on the planet.

But you have to also factor in all the posts proclaiming an arrest 'any day now'. And while that prediction may at some point come to fruition, it has been just as tiring to read those predictions.

Probably not an equal comparison, but I am truely trying to extend an olive branch. I have seen some very interesting thoughts and interpretations of case law posted since the civil suits have been filed. I would much rather discuss those issues than who-posted-what-and-what-kind-of-person-does-it-make-them.

So why hasn't the DA sought and indictment? I posted case law awhile back that dealt with evidence rising above suspicion and I think that is where the evidence stands right now.

I also wonder if the WD ruling will meet the 'clear and convincing' burden of proof for the court to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent and determine what is in her best interest.

“In North Carolina, parents have a constitutionally protected right to the care, custody, and control of their children,” Nicole Taylor, a family law attorney who is not associated with the Young custody case, said. (...) In Taylor’s expert opinion, the biggest thing working against Jason Young at this point is his failure to respond to the wrongful death lawsuit earlier this month, which resulted in the civil court declaring him his wife's killer. “That, in my opinion, would be enough for the district court judge to find he's acted inconsistent with his parental rights or is obviously unfit to continue custody of the child,” she said.
http://news14.com/content/local_news/tri....dy/Default.aspx

[Kat4Eagles]

Me either. Wasnt there some marks on his hands at the funeral?


Where did that come from?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

“In North Carolina, parents have a constitutionally protected right to the care, custody, and control of their children,” Nicole Taylor, a family law attorney who is not associated with the Young custody case, said. (...) In Taylor’s expert opinion, the biggest thing working against Jason Young at this point is his failure to respond to the wrongful death lawsuit earlier this month, which resulted in the civil court declaring him his wife's killer. “That, in my opinion, would be enough for the district court judge to find he's acted inconsistent with his parental rights or is obviously unfit to continue custody of the child,” she said.
http://news14.com/content/local_news/tri....dy/Default.aspx

The link doesn't work ?

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

LE certainly had suspicions that whoever murdered Michelle had some type of marks on him/her because there was a mighty struggle in that bedroom. If Jason has no such marks, it certainly points the arrow to doubt.

Surely though it is always possible JY had long sleeves on and Michelle may not have been able to reach his face to scratch him. I can see a person putting up a mighty struggle while being pinned on a bed or being on the floor and being kicked and not being able to actually make a mark on the attacker.

When I was married the first time, my husband beat the living daylights out of me and, even when he almost killed me, I did everything I could to avoid his fists and feet but didn't dare hit him back for fear of him escalating any further. I don't know if Jason ever hit Michelle during their marriage but, if he did, maybe she didn't retaliate physically but tried to get away from him. BTW, I'm certainly not saying he did hit her just speculating on reasons why he may not have had marks on him if he in fact killed her.

[Thomas]

Where did that come from?

Kat

If i recall right my step-son told me this and he was at the funeral.

[Kat4Eagles]

If i recall right my step-son told me this and he was at the funeral.

And, he saw Jason's hands?

Kat

[Tia]

The link doesn't work ?

Kat


Try this.

http://news14.com/content/local_news/triangle/602689/victim-s-family-fights-for-custody/Default.aspx

[alterEgo©]

I disagree. I think that LE followed all avenues and possibilities in the beginning. They looked for marks but the absence of marks isn't proof of anything. It could be gloves. It could be that the victim thrashed around trying to get away and therefore there was evidence of a struggle but that doesn't mean she got her hands on him. I just don't see that as ruling him out. IMO
There were other types of marks LE was looking for in the NTIO besides scratches on his hands.

and i didn't say lack of marks ruled him out, I said lack of marks pointed the arrow to doubt.

[Kat4Eagles]

Try this.

http://news14.com/content/local_news/triangle/602689/victim-s-family-fights-for-custody/Default.aspx

Thank you, much better.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Well kat I guess he did Jason didn't wear gloves to the funeral.

I see.
So, those marks must have been noticed and photographed by L E. at some point.
Is there a link?

[Kat4Eagles]

There were other types of marks LE was looking for in the NTIO besides scratches on his hands.

and i didn't say lack of marks ruled him out, I said lack of marks pointed the arrow to doubt.

I would think in a struggle such as the one L E mentioned, that somehow Michelle connected to him.
I always wondered about fingernail scrapings.
You know, we still don't know the weapon.

[alterEgo©]

“In North Carolina, parents have a constitutionally protected right to the care, custody, and control of their children,” Nicole Taylor, a family law attorney who is not associated with the Young custody case, said. (...) In Taylor’s expert opinion, the biggest thing working against Jason Young at this point is his failure to respond to the wrongful death lawsuit earlier this month, which resulted in the civil court declaring him his wife's killer. “That, in my opinion, would be enough for the district court judge to find he's acted inconsistent with his parental rights or is obviously unfit to continue custody of the child,” she said.
http://news14.com/content/local_news/tri....dy/Default.aspx

§ 7B‑1111. Grounds for terminating parental rights.
(a) The court may terminate the parental rights upon a finding of one or more of the following:
(8) The parent...has committed murder or voluntary manslaughter of the other parent of the child. The petitioner has the burden of proving any of these offenses in the termination of parental rights hearing by (i) proving the elements of the offense or (ii) offering proof that a court of competent jurisdiction has convicted the parent of the offense, whether or not the conviction was by way of a jury verdict or any kind of plea
(b) The burden in such proceedings shall be upon the petitioner or movant to prove the facts justifying such termination by clear and convincing evidence

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_7B.html

[Thomas]

I see.
So, those marks must have been noticed and photographed by L E. at some point.
Is there a link?

No kat My step-son doesnt work for the News and Observer so there's no link. But I can assure you he didn't make this up him and Jason were friends.

[Tia]

§ 7B‑1111. Grounds for terminating parental rights.
(a) The court may terminate the parental rights upon a finding of one or more of the following:
(8) The parent...has committed murder or voluntary manslaughter of the other parent of the child. The petitioner has the burden of proving any of these offenses in the termination of parental rights hearing by (i) proving the elements of the offense or (ii) offering proof that a court of competent jurisdiction has convicted the parent of the offense, whether or not the conviction was by way of a jury verdict or any kind of plea
(b) The burden in such proceedings shall be upon the petitioner or movant to prove the facts justifying such termination by clear and convincing evidence

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_7B.html

I know.

But the reality is, the final decision for Cassidy is going to be based on ONE judge, no jury and the evidence presented at that time. Believe it or not, child custody rulings are very loosely based on the actual statutes. The "best interest of the child" seems to over-ride the statutes in most cases. So I believe the attorney in the article was expressing just that.......that based on Jason's actions, he is not in a good place since he didn't respond to a civil suit. Its all going to depend on the judge's "mood" that day for lack of a better way to explain it. This could be why Jason wanted the COV, he knows this as fact. He may want a judge that he and/or his family have some "connection" to.

We have a specific "magistrates" in my couny to over see custody cases. The first question is always, "who is the magistrate overseeing your case". The attorneys in my county know who is who, and how to deal with them. They know the magistrate, what they respond to, what will help a person get custody, what not to do with that particular judge, etc..........

It is no surpirse to me that Jason would want to be as far away as possible from the Judge who was originally going to oversee his case since Brad Cooper lost in his custody battle.

[Leanne Weich]

Tia, during my years of working, I've known attorneys hold off on filing custody suits until a judge of their choice was rostered in the family court because they knew which types of allegations would play favourably for their client. Also, an attorney who has a good rapport with a judge would rather go before him/her. I'd imagine you've got a good chance of being right that the Young family may have a connection to the judges in Transylvania County.

[Tia]

Tia, during my years of working, I've known attorneys hold off on filing custody suits until a judge of their choice was rostered in the family court because they knew which types of allegations would play favourably for their client. Also, an attorney who has a good rapport with a judge would rather go before him/her. I'd imagine you've got a good chance of being right that the Young family may have a connection to the judges in Transylvania County.


Its sad, but thats the way it seems to work.

The story you posted earlier about your ex.......thats just horrible. I cannot imagine that, but as you stated, I can see just balling up, covering my face, and trying to protect myself.

[alterEgo©]

Yup, one judge. And the ruling made will have very little chance for appeal.

I don't think the judge assigned to the case prompted the COV, Jason and his witnesses are several hours from Raleigh and there is a legitimate convience issue for his witnesses.

And yes, courts hearing custody matters have a very wide berth in application of law on a case by case basis. Because of this, it makes it almost impossible to predict how a judge will rule in one case based on how they ruled in another case. Too many variables.

Brad Cooper's attys were severely outlawyered. :smile:

[Kat4Eagles]

Yup, one judge. And the ruling made will have very little chance for appeal.

I don't think the judge assigned to the case prompted the COV, Jason and his witnesses are several hours from Raleigh and there is a legitimate convience issue for his witnesses.

And yes, courts hearing custody matters have a very wide berth in application of law on a case by case basis. Because of this, it makes it almost impossible to predict how a judge will rule in one case based on how they ruled in another case. Too many variables.

Brad Cooper's attys were severely outlawyered. :smile:


Jason can not catch a break, can he?
If he responds, he has hidden motives or a judge in his pocket.
If he doesn't respond, he doesn't care about his daughter.
:(
Kat

[Tia]

Yup, one judge. And the ruling made will have very little chance for appeal.

I don't think the judge assigned to the case prompted the COV, Jason and his witnesses are several hours from Raleigh and there is a legitimate convience issue for his witnesses.

And yes, courts hearing custody matters have a very wide berth in application of law on a case by case basis. Because of this, it makes it almost impossible to predict how a judge will rule in one case based on how they ruled in another case. Too many variables.

Brad Cooper's attys were severely outlawyered. :smile:

No, I think Jason's attorney advised the COV, maybe she knew the judge?

And yes, that is a good argument for Jason to ask for the COV. If I were his attorney, I would have done the same thing.

[alterEgo©]

No, I think Jason's attorney advised the COV, maybe she knew the judge?

And yes, that is a good argument for Jason to ask for the COV. If I were his attorney, I would have done the same thing.More than likely a cost issue for paying for the witnesses to travel to Raleigh

[Leanne Weich]

More than likely a cost issue for paying for the witnesses to travel to Raleigh

If that's the case, it will be funny if he loses and has to pay the Fisher's costs which will also include travelling costs.

[tarheelfan]

Although I've been here for a while reading posts regarding Michelle's murder, this is my first post. I couldn't refrain from stating my feelings any longer as my anger and confusion is growing by the day.

It was my assumption this board was a place to discuss and analyze the case, but I guess I've been proven wrong. The continued criticism and downright bashing of Linda and Michelle Fisher is beyond my comprehension. They have done nothing to arouse suspicion regarding Michelle's murder. LE has never pointed fingers at them, much less investigated them. They are simply 2 heart broken women who have lost someone dear to them. Thanks to JY, they've had VERY limited contact with the only thing left of Michelle, her precious daughter Cassidy.

They've been criticized for waiting so long to file for custody, even being compared to the Cooper case when in essence the cases are completely different in that respect. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the NC laws regarding grandparents and custody. They followed the advice of their attorney and waited until they had a chance....ie: Slayer Young.

JY is assumed innocent by some because an arrest hasn't been made. Again, it doesn't take much to research high profile cases in NC's history and find not all of them are quickly solved with an arrest. For heaven's sake, look at Ann Miller whose case was handled by one of Raleigh's finest detectives. It took 4 years to finally get an arrest and conviction. All this continued discussion regarding "time" is frivolous and in no way lessens JY's involvement in the case.

Yes, I think Slayer Young is guilty as sin. I think he premeditated and carried out the horrendous murder of Michelle with extreme brutality. My reasons are numerous, but the blatant ones are.....he was named Slayer in Civil Court, the onging investigation with LE considering him a suspect, his lack of cooperation with LE, the motel photos, the evidence in the SWs, his total insensitivy towards the Fishers regading Cassidy and for Cassidy herself by taking away her Mother's family whom by the way she was extremely close to.....I could go on.

I hope this board can go back to what it was intended to be....a place to discuss this case and share ideas regarding the case and it's evidence. I do enjoy the posts of many here, but will also say there are a few posters here I sincerely wish would find another place to spread their wrath and ignorance.

[Kat4Eagles]

Well I don't find anything funny about this whole thing. This win and lose thing sounds like you are talking about a poker game. This is JY's daughter. I have no doubt she is the center of his life. Money shouldn't enter into this. I believe he said for the convience not the cost but I could be wrong. I have looked at all the warrants and emails in the warrants. I think that LE has proved beyond a doubt that JY married MY for the wrong reason and that reason was she was carrying his child. I find that honorable . I don't find any proof that he murdered his wife actually I find a lot in the warrants that say he couldn't have been the one that killed her. I think LE went into this investigation with the mind set that JY and only JY could have done this. There is something that points in another direction or JY would have been arrested many months ago.


I always go back to the word "complicated", that L E used from the very beginning.
What led them to use that word so early in the investigation?

And, what was complicated?
The crime scene?
The alibi(s).?
The evidence ?
The motive?

Kat

[kingbuff]

Seems to me, Tarheelfan, that some posters, as they 'discuss and analyze' the case, do see something suspicious in the behavior of the two heartbroken women you mention. So you think they should copy you and stay mute about their suspicions? Doesn't work that way on this board. What you call 'bashing' they call 'discussing'.

[Hector]

Kat, you don't get it and you never will, because you don't want to. I, like Tarheelfan, have been reading this board from day 1. This is my first post. I too felt compelled to speak out, spurred on by Tarheelfan's fine example. Tarheelfan, I commend you for your clarity and for speaking out against the venom that has been hatefully and unfairly spewed on Mrs. Fisher and Meredith Fisher, who are very tragic victims in this case. Kat, some of the cr*p you have posted about Meredith's appearance is just shameful. There is no justification for being vicious to a murder vistim's sister. And Stellagant, you say Mrs. Fisher reminds you of Virgie Arthur, Anna Nicole Smith's mother. Hmmm, another poster named JustTheFacts, an ardent Jason supporter, said the same thing waaaay back when. Reincarnation, anyone? You guys should feel free to twist the facts any ridiculous way you want to make Jason look innocent (what a joke), just lay off the vicious personal attacks. No matter what, Meredith's physical appearance can have no bearing on who killed Michelle and Baby Rylan. Your opinion regarding Mrs. Fisher can have no bearing on who killed Michelle and Baby Rylan. How about we discuss the case. Kat, feel free to put me on ignore right now, which I will also do with you, because I know you will just be "confused" by what I have to say. Heck

[kingbuff]

In your bashing of Jason, Tarheelfan, you mention his 'insensitivity' regarding Cassie and the Fishers. What you call 'insensitivity' others call common sense. In your analyzing of the case, have you discovered any reason, other than 'insensitivity', for Jason's actions? Just curious if your statement contributes to discussion and analyzing of the events surrounding the murder.

[Kat4Eagles]

In your bashing of Jason, Tarheelfan, you mention his 'insensitivity' regarding Cassie and the Fishers. What you call 'insensitivity' others call common sense. In your analyzing of the case, have you discovered any reason, other than 'insensitivity', for Jason's actions? Just curious if your statement contributes to discussion and analyzing of the events surrounding the murder.

Well, KIngbuff , it's like this.
We are supposed to forget about the allegations of some trust fund, we are supposed to think it is normal to walk into a horrific, brutal, murder scene and not know it, we are supposed to think nothing out of the ordinary of the 911 call!!
Oh, and the keys?
Nahh, nothing.........just simply misplaced on the hood of Michelle's car , oh, but then, they needed to be explained in a s/w.
"All persons close to Michelle are being looked at"
When L E says that phrase is no longer true, and there has been an arrest, then we won't look.

Kat

[kingbuff]

I always go back to the word "complicated", that L E used from the very beginning.
What led them to use that word so early in the investigation?

And, what was complicated?
The crime scene?
The alibi(s).?
The evidence ?
The motive?

Kat

I've never understood the sheriff's comment, either. Perhaps he was referring to the careless crime scene investigation? Don't know. Perhaps he was referring to the extra tooth Jason's sister found? Don't know, but that extra tooth must present problems for the police and DA. Don't you think?

[Hector]

I,ve read all morning and I don't see anything about MF's physical appearance. Where did you read that? CW says to discuss the post not the posters and in your first post you have named 3 posters.

I never said it was today. I said it has been going on for a long time and I finally decided to stand up and say something. If you've been paying attention (and I know I've seen your posts many, many times) you have seen exactly what I am talking about. Quite frankly, the comments about physical appearance have been the least of the vitriol that has been hurled Mrs. Fisher and Meredith Fisher's way. It is disgusting.

[Kat4Eagles]

It looks like he was banned. I am hoping he shows up somewhere else so I can find out more about the finger cuts!!


I think he said something about cuts on the hand too, I want to know too.!!
I hate it when someone just vanishes into thin air when they hold precious info like that. I mean, this could be big, huge even.
Like that prediction of an sure arrest back on 3-31-07.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I've never understood the sheriff's comment, either. Perhaps he was referring to the careless crime scene investigation? Don't know. Perhaps he was referring to the extra tooth Jason's sister found? Don't know, but that extra tooth must present problems for the police and DA. Don't you think?


Me either, KB!!
What led them to say that right away?
Little did they know then, just how complicated this would still be 27 months and 4 days later.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Not to mention to cover the fact the little girl was clean she went from walking around the house to being covered with a sheet on her Daddy's side of the bed.


Or, the mysterious footprints that were all over the house, but then only found combined to a small area.
Was she saying she saw the bloody footprints before she entered Michelle's room, and still did not think something was wrong?

That is quite some red flags, there!
Dog barking, freaking out
Door unlocked
Michelle's car in the garage
Dead body on the floor
Wow!!
Kat

[Hector]

I can't get over the fact that in MY's will she stated she wanted JY's sister to be the care giver of her daughter. Makes me wonder if MY told JY something and thats why he is trying to keep his daughter away from the Fishers? Oh well if this custody gets to court then we will all know what MY told JY. I,m sure if MY told JY there are other witnesses.

I'm guessing that when Michelle made her will, she didn't anticipate that her husband was going to bash her head in until she died. She may very well have named someone else the guardian if she had known that little fact. Also, we probably won't find out "if MY told JY something" because JY ain't talking. Why on earth would you be "sure there are other witnesses"? That's pure speculation, as is the fantasy that Michelle wanted to keep her daughter away from Mrs. Fisher and/or Meredith Fisher. There is no evidence to support that fiction at all -- unless you have a link, of course.

[alterEgo©]

You want to discuss the case, but your entire post is about slamming posters.
Sorry, it does not work that way.!!
:seeya:
KatWow. Lookat all the *newbies* gracing us with their presence. It's a shame their agenda it just to bash you and not discuss the case.

And now a new rumor about scratches on Jason's hands at the funeral. If he didn't wear gloves then where are his fingerprints comingled in Michelle's blood? If he didn't wear gloves and has scratches on his hands, then his skin is under Michelle's fingernails and his goose is cooked. If he didn't wear gloves then his DNA is on Michelle's neck from the strangulation attempt and his goose is cooked.

Hmmm.

[Kat4Eagles]

I can't get over the fact that in MY's will she stated she wanted JY's sister to be the care giver of her daughter. Makes me wonder if MY told JY something and thats why he is trying to keep his daughter away from the Fishers? Oh well if this custody gets to court then we will all know what MY told JY. I,m sure if MY told JY there are other witnesses.

You know, that is very interesting.
I remember when I first read that, I just chalked it up to Heather living in NC, but, so did Michelle's sister, and in her custody suit LF said she was planning to move there soon too.
Makes you wonder what is really in those pesky therapist notes, huh?
Good catch, Confused!!
Kat

[Hector]

What is it you want a link to? MY's will?


No, the will does not state that Michelle wanted to keep her duaghter away from Mrs. Fisher and/or Meredith Fisher. I want a link to anything that says Michelle wanted to keep her daughter from her mother and/or sister. Naming someone else as guardian in her will does not equate to Michelle wanting to keep her child from everyone else in the world. If there is some real evidence demonstrating that Michelle wanted to keep her child away from Mrs. Fisher and/or Meredith Fisher, then yeah, I want to see it. Otherwise, it's just unfounded nonsense to make such a claim.

[Kat4Eagles]

Wow. Lookat all the *newbies* gracing us with their presence. It's a shame their agenda it just to bash you and not discuss the case.

And now a new rumor about scratches on Jason's hands at the funeral. If he didn't wear gloves then where are his fingerprints comingled in Michelle's blood? If he didn't wear gloves and has scratches on his hands, then his skin is under Michelle's fingernails and his goose is cooked. If he didn't wear gloves then his DNA is on Michelle's neck from the strangulation attempt and his goose is cooked.

Hmmm.

I know, I see them, they say we bring wrath and ignorance to the Board, but then no one else sees it!! Although, I think someone else will.
Onto the case>>>>>>>>>.
Yeah, so which is it?
Jason planned the murder and wore gloves?
Now, a witness saw scratches on him at the funeral.
I sure hope they took pics or told LE.
And, you are right, any marks made on Jason by Michelle could mean this case could be solved very early in the first few days, weeks, or months.
I guess not, huh?
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

No, the will does not state that Michelle wanted to keep her duaghter away from Mrs. Fisher and/or Meredith Fisher. I want a link to anything that says Michelle wanted to keep her daughter from her mother and/or sister. Naming someone else as guardian in her will does not equate to Michelle wanting to keep her child from everyone else in the world. If there is some real evidence demonstrating that Michelle wanted to keep her child away from Mrs. Fisher and/or Meredith Fisher, then yeah, I want to see it. Otherwise, it's just unfounded nonsense to make such a claim.

I have never seen the will, all I heard was that Michelle and Jason had chosen Heather to have guardianship.
So, now all we are asking is why?
Do you know?

Kat

[5swab5]

Jason can not catch a break, can he?
(snipped)
Kat

Oh, I don't know about that. Jason managed to plan his hotel stay, so that he had a small window of opportunity with the long drive back and forth. Even tho he is well known for speeding tickets, he didn't get one that night. He was smart enough to slay in his own house, so his DNA could be explained away. He had a very accommodating SIL that went to his home at his request to find Michelle and deal with LE.

He has a family and a small group of supporters that will die before they look at any of the evidence except through rose colored glasses. And apparently he has a MIL that agreed to foot the bills for Rlyan and Michelle's interment, even tho everyone knows that was his responsibility.

He somehow manages to travel more than most working stiffs, oh...that's right...maintaining jobs is not his forte. You get the idea....

Many more, but the main one is that he happens to have a chicken-livered DA at the helm in Wake County, Jason should have been tried and convicted by now.

MOO

[5swab5]

In your bashing of Jason, Tarheelfan, you mention his 'insensitivity' regarding Cassie and the Fishers. What you call 'insensitivity' others call common sense. In your analyzing of the case, have you discovered any reason, other than 'insensitivity', for Jason's actions? Just curious if your statement contributes to discussion and analyzing of the events surrounding the murder.

There is not ONE thing that Jason has done since the brutal murders, that is either sensitive or aligns with "common sense".

MOO

[Hector]

Hector, I believe you will have to give some examples of bashing so the rest of the board will recognize what you want stopped.

Kingbuff, I am confident that you know exactly what I mean, but I guess I'll give you some examples -- this list is not exhaustive, but illustrative: (1) nasty comments re: Meredith's weight, job and her silly My Space page -- how can any of those have anything to do with who killed Michelle and baby Rylan? (2) nasty, unfounded insinuations regarding the cause for Mrs. Fisher's divorce decades ago (including adultery, claims of sexual shenanigans with young men, etc., how can any of this have any bearing on who killed Michelle and baby Rylan and how can unfounded allegations from decades ago have any bearing on the custody suit when the same people bring this unfounded garbage up insist that Jason's actions from two years ago are utterly irrelevant? (3) nasty allegations that Mrs. Fisher brought the WD suit "for the money" with absolutely no evidence to back up such a horrid claim. No one on this board can have any actual knowledge of Mrs. Fisher's motivations. That is the kind of utter cr*p I am talking about. I hope you get the idea and stick to the case and stop saying vile things about Michelle's family.

[5swab5]

I've never understood the sheriff's comment, either. Perhaps he was referring to the careless crime scene investigation? Don't know. Perhaps he was referring to the extra tooth Jason's sister found? Don't know, but that extra tooth must present problems for the police and DA. Don't you think?


You might as well give up that "shoddy investigation" strategy. It worked the first few times it was tried, but is now routinely thrown into the Defense's mix at every trial. Jurors are onto the ploy.

MOO

[5swab5]

You know, that is very interesting.
I remember when I first read that, I just chalked it up to Heather living in NC, but, so did Michelle's sister, and in her custody suit LF said she was planning to move there soon too.
Makes you wonder what is really in those pesky therapist notes, huh?
Good catch, Confused!!
Kat


Many, many couples pick a married couple over a single person. No surprise there. Wonder if Michelle would have still signed, if she knew that Jason's sister and BIL were having trouble... (IF true) that he was running around on her?

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

<respectfully snipped> [I]
I hope you get the idea and stick to the case and stop saying vile things about Michelle's family.


Would that stop all the awful things said about Jason too?
At least, until if and when he is ever charged with murder?
TIA.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

That is so true! My husband and I chose my sister since she was the only one of either of our siblings married at that time. I loved and trusted everyone to care for my children in the event of my death, but I certainly didn't want to burden any one person with my children.

We are only talking one child, and since MF was already her Nanny at one point, I would think that would have been the way to go.
Guess not, though.
:shrug:
Kat

[Jules2]

Would that stop all the awful things said about Jason too?
At least, until if and when he is ever charged with murder?
TIA.

Kat


You yourself had many unkind things to say about Jason right after you read the SW's pertaining to his extra-marital affair, text messaging and cell phone usage.

What has suddenly changed your mind?

Or are we only allowed to say unkind things about him when you say it's okay to do so?

You have to realize, Kat, that there are many posters here who have always believed that Jason is completely responsible for Michelle's death. You also need to realize that the SW's have shown him to be a man lacking in character and respect for his marriage and his wife and child.


I do realize that these things alone do not "prove" that he is a murderer, but they do prove he is not a man deserving of receiving any breaks as far as public scrutiny goes.

IMO

[5swab5]

We are only talking one child, and since MF was already her Nanny at one point, I would think that would have been the way to go.
Guess not, though.
:shrug:
Kat

I don't know anyone that would pick a single relative over a married couple as their guardians. Just makes sense that a two parent family would have more time and possibly an easier economic time of it.

It's all moot anyway. Michelle would have never signed over anything to the slayer's family, had she known what she now knows. That is a no brainer.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

You yourself had many unkind things to say about Jason right after you read the SW's pertaining to his extra-marital affair, text messaging and cell phone usage.
What has suddenly changed your mind?
Or are we only allowed to say unkind things about him when you say it's okay to do so?
You have to realize, Kat, that there are many posters here who have always believed that Jason is completely responsible for Michelle's death. You also need to realize that the SW's have shown him to be a man lacking in character and respect for his marriage and his wife and child.
I do realize that these things alone do not "prove" that he is a murderer, but they do prove he is not a man deserving of receiving any breaks as far as public scrutiny goes.

IMO


Completely disappointed in Jason's character or lack of, and especially the way he spoke with Kim...
Completely sad that he did not love Michelle enough to be faithful.
Completely devastated to read of some of the allegations.
But, they have to be proven.
And, no one has been charged with the murder.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't know anyone that would pick a single relative over a married couple as their guardians. Just makes sense that a two parent family would have more time and possibly an easier economic time of it.

It's all moot anyway. Michelle would have never signed over anything to the slayer's family, had she known what she now knows. That is a no brainer.

MOO

I agree, for the most part.
But, who was closer to the child, Heather or MF?
Kat

[Tia]

Meredith has NOT been charged with Michelle's murder last I knew.

Perhaps this will put an end to that bashing as well?


IMO

But Jason HAS been declared the Slayer of Michelle.

Can we discuss that here? I mean since its a FACT?

[alterEgo©]

But Jason HAS been declared the Slayer of Michelle.

Can we discuss that here? I mean since its a FACT?

Sure. What would you like to discuss about it.

It's a civil ruling that the DA said has no bearing on the criminal investigation. It's based on the opinion of one LE officer. It was made with the lowest burden of proof.

[5swab5]

Sure. What would you like to discuss about it.

It's a civil ruling that the DA said has no bearing on the criminal investigation. It's based on the opinion of one LE officer. It was made with the lowest burden of proof.

I don't believe that to be true. The judge had more than "just" Spivey's affidavit in front of him.

MOO

[Barbara2]

Sure. What would you like to discuss about it.

It's a civil ruling that the DA said has no bearing on the criminal investigation. It's based on the opinion of one LE officer. It was made with the lowest burden of proof.

You could say that "It's based in part on the opinion of one LE officer". I don't think that you can declare that to be the sum total unless you were there and saw everything that the judge saw. IMO

[kingbuff]

Hector, I've seen the 3 items you mention, though not so much on this board. I've also seen all three items mentioned by other posters as motive for murder. Opinions, of course, but not senseless bashing.

[Tia]

Sure. What would you like to discuss about it.

It's a civil ruling that the DA said has no bearing on the criminal investigation. It's based on the opinion of one LE officer. It was made with the lowest burden of proof.


It was a rhetorical question. I was worried because I saw a lot of finger wagging today.

[Tia]

What is this suppose to mean Kat? Why did Thomas get banned?

Obivously she knows something we don't about that poster.

I was very interested in the cuts on Jason's hands. A while ago, I saw a pic of his hand blown-up and it did look like he had either cuts or scrapes, but it was so long ago I forget which site I saw it on.