Thursday, Feb. 5th. - Part I

[desmom]

Good Morning!

ETA ~ Where did my 1 go in Part 1? I must need more coffee.

[desmom]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[n/t]

Good Morning, des and all !

Glad I didn't miss much last night. I caught up on much needed sleep. LOL

[desmom]

Taxpayers pay lawyer of worker who found Caylee's remains
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-kronk0509feb05,0,6026009.story

[n/t]

Here's your 1

:laugh:

[desmom]

Here's your 1

:laugh:

Thank you. :thumbsup:

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance (sp) said they are expecting a discovery document dump next week. Without going back and looking, I believe most of JB's motions for discovery have been regarding physical evidence sent to labs and such. Will we learn what was removed from the A's home, the woods? Test results from the physical evidence?

Motions are listed here http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html under Documents Released Jan. 7, 2009

[n/t]

Thank you. :thumbsup:

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance (sp) said they are expecting a discovery document dump next week. Without going back and looking, I believe most of JB's motions for discovery have been regarding physical evidence sent to labs and such. Will we learn what was removed from the A's home, the woods? Test results from the physical evidence?

Motions are listed here http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html under Documents Released Jan. 7, 2009

Maybe toxicology results? I don't think we got those yet. Big discussion on last night's thread about paternity. Would the DNA testing be released? Who did they test for paternity? Lee, Hawkins? We also haven't seen Annie Dowling's or is it Downing interview, right?

Gosh it'll be an interesting week and I'll be in meetings. Argh!

[desmom]

Nancy Grace Transcript from last night's show:

Anthonys Resist Release of Videotaped Civil Suit Depositions
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/04/ng.01.html

[PuffDragon]

Taxpayers pay lawyer of worker who found Caylee's remains
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-kronk0509feb05,0,6026009.story

I think it's odd that the company doesn't have a legal department or at least a lawyer on retainer that they could use. They just went out and grabbed a $350/hr lawyer without a second thought??? I agree the poor guy should have representation and I hope somebody figures out how to make it happen.

I don't want to think about all the lawyers working for free for the Anthony group....................

[i_pickle]

Wow, finally a thread I can keep up with. :thumbsup: I'll have to get up in the wee hours more often.

Strange about the A's wanting to keep the depositions from the public. And even stranger reading some of the myspace links from the previous thread.

It's official.

I'm old.

:huh:

[AMS]

Nancy Grace Transcript from last night's show:

Anthonys Resist Release of Videotaped Civil Suit Depositions
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/04/ng.01.html

Good morning -

From the NG transcripts.

PADILLA: No, I`m not going to do that, honest. I don`t -- you know, I like your show. I flew in today from California and there was a lady that flew all the way from California today because she heard the memorial was going to be sometime this week.


Why in the world does Lennie need to be back in Orlando? Is anyone involved in the case still talking to him, other than NG?

IMO

[desmom]

Maybe toxicology results? I don't think we got those yet. Big discussion on last night's thread about paternity. Would the DNA testing be released? Who did they test for paternity? Lee, Hawkins? We also haven't seen Annie Dowling's or is it Downing interview, right?

Gosh it'll be an interesting week and I'll be in meetings. Argh!

Paternity does seem to be a big secret with the family. I am not sure if is because the family nor Casey know who the father is or if it is one of those skeleton in the closet things. IMO, it is because Casey does not have any idea and could not bring herself to tell her mother she may have to go on Jerry Springer to find out.

Would it be released? Good question. I do not feel it has any bearing on the investigation, but I am sure JB feels otherwise. Casey's lies have caused problems for so many, the Daddy will probably be made public eventually. I just hope the man knows before it hits the press.

We have not seen Annie's interview or the 2 women Matt Crisp mentioned in his interview, Katie Robinson and Victoria Aleman. You can find Matt's interview at http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Matthew%20Crisp%20Transcript.pdf Has JB even requested these interviews?

jmo

[desmom]

I think it's odd that the company doesn't have a legal department or at least a lawyer on retainer that they could use. They just went out and grabbed a $350/hr lawyer without a second thought??? I agree the poor guy should have representation and I hope somebody figures out how to make it happen.

I don't want to think about all the lawyers working for free for the Anthony group....................


I think this is a perfect example of why people do not want to get involved.

jmo

[mosey?]

Good morning -

From the NG transcripts.

PADILLA: No, I`m not going to do that, honest. I don`t -- you know, I like your show. I flew in today from California and there was a lady that flew all the way from California today because she heard the memorial was going to be sometime this week.


Why in the world does Lennie need to be back in Orlando? Is anyone involved in the case still talking to him, other than NG?

IMOHe probably wanted to pay his respects, as well.

I figure Cindy might have a few choice words for him. lol

[Myka]

good morning from a very cold Mississippi Gulf Coast!

I missed most of yesterday's post but I assume nothing majored happened

doc dump yet?

[mosey?]

Paternity does seem to be a big secret with the family. I am not sure if is because the family nor Casey know who the father is or if it is one of those skeleton in the closet things. IMO, it is because Casey does not have any idea and could not bring herself to tell her mother she may have to go on Jerry Springer to find out.

Would it be released? Good question. I do not feel it has any bearing on the investigation, but I am sure JB feels otherwise. Casey's lies have caused problems for so many, the Daddy will probably be made public eventually. I just hope the man knows before it hits the press.

We have not seen Annie's interview or the 2 women Matt Crisp mentioned in his interview, Katie Robinson and Victoria Aleman. You can find Matt's interview at http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Matthew%20Crisp%20Transcript.pdf Has JB even requested these interviews?

jmoAnother thing we may not have "seen". During the very first jailhouse phone call, Casey asks Lee for Tony's number. Did she call him that night? IF so, she didnt know at the time that all calls were recorded. The tape of the call might exist, and be submitted into evidence. I'm interested in hearing what she had to say to him.

[desmom]

Good morning -

From the NG transcripts.

PADILLA: No, I`m not going to do that, honest. I don`t -- you know, I like your show. I flew in today from California and there was a lady that flew all the way from California today because she heard the memorial was going to be sometime this week.


Why in the world does Lennie need to be back in Orlando? Is anyone involved in the case still talking to him, other than NG?

IMO

Lenny reminds me of a group of gentlemen that gather at our local gas station every morning (yep, we only have one gas station). They discuss the who, what, when, where and whys of the community. I call them Congress. If they say it, it must be true. LOL!

I think Lenny means well and I do think he does know somethings that would make most of :scared: I think Lenny is Lenny and you have to kind of sit back and listen to him blah, blah, blah and eventually something of importance will come out. jmo

[desmom]

Another thing we may not have "seen". During the very first jailhouse phone call, Casey asks Lee for Tony's number. Did she call him that night? IF so, she didnt know at the time that all calls were recorded. The tape of the call might exist, and be submitted into evidence. I'm interested in hearing what she had to say to him.

oooh, your post reminded me...We have not seen Tony's text messages either. jmo

[Myka]

Good morning -

From the NG transcripts.

PADILLA: No, I`m not going to do that, honest. I don`t -- you know, I like your show. I flew in today from California and there was a lady that flew all the way from California today because she heard the memorial was going to be sometime this week.


Why in the world does Lennie need to be back in Orlando? Is anyone involved in the case still talking to him, other than NG?

IMO

AMS, lol, I agree with you. Do you notice that he only gets a small snip in on NG's show?
and WTH does he mean a lady from Calif flew in to Fl?. I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt most of the time but this takes the cake. I'm glad to see there are ppl who can just pack up and go to Fl on a whim. Boy, I wish I could afford to do that.....lol

[n/t]

Paternity does seem to be a big secret with the family. I am not sure if is because the family nor Casey know who the father is or if it is one of those skeleton in the closet things. IMO, it is because Casey does not have any idea and could not bring herself to tell her mother she may have to go on Jerry Springer to find out.

Would it be released? Good question. I do not feel it has any bearing on the investigation, but I am sure JB feels otherwise. Casey's lies have caused problems for so many, the Daddy will probably be made public eventually. I just hope the man knows before it hits the press.

We have not seen Annie's interview or the 2 women Matt Crisp mentioned in his interview, Katie Robinson and Victoria Aleman. You can find Matt's interview at http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Matthew%20Crisp%20Transcript.pdf Has JB even requested these interviews?

jmo


Baez will try to pin this on anybody. I guess poor Jesse is "it". The Anthonys don't like him. I think Jesse knows more about the dysfunction in that family than anyone. I think that's why they don't like him....not because he's a bad guy. They feel threatened by what he knows.

IMO

[SavannahStar]

Paternity does seem to be a big secret with the family. I am not sure if is because the family nor Casey know who the father is or if it is one of those skeleton in the closet things. IMO, it is because Casey does not have any idea and could not bring herself to tell her mother she may have to go on Jerry Springer to find out.

Would it be released? Good question. I do not feel it has any bearing on the investigation, but I am sure JB feels otherwise. Casey's lies have caused problems for so many, the Daddy will probably be made public eventually. I just hope the man knows before it hits the press.

We have not seen Annie's interview or the 2 women Matt Crisp mentioned in his interview, Katie Robinson and Victoria Aleman. You can find Matt's interview at http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Matthew%20Crisp%20Transcript.pdf Has JB even requested these interviews?

jmo

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.

[n/t]

Lenny reminds me of a group of gentlemen that gather at our local gas station every morning (yep, we only have one gas station). They discuss the who, what, when, where and whys of the community. I call them Congress. If they say it, it must be true. LOL!

I think Lenny means well and I do think he does know somethings that would make most of :scared: I think Lenny is Lenny and you have to kind of sit back and listen to him blah, blah, blah and eventually something of importance will come out. jmo

He keeps saying Cindy is in control of the remains. I wonder if that's true.

What I don't get is how an accused murderer can have the rights to the remains of the person they're accused of murdering? That doesn't make any sense to me so maybe Lenny is correct. The next of kin has all the rights..and that would be the grandparents.

[n/t]

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.


You should tell that to Baez. He's the one requesting the paternity test results. Why ?

[i_pickle]

I'm sure we all know single moms that don't speak of or have any involvement with the biological father of their children but I don't know any that have been charged with the murder of their child.

Like it or not, you lose a lot of privacy when you kill your daughter. What normally isn't "anyone else's business" becomes everyone's business during a murder investigation.

[Motomom]

You should tell that to Baez. He's the one requesting the paternity test results. Why ?

Good morning... I thought he was only asking for the paternity testing done back for Jesse and Caylee?

[PuffDragon]

Wow, finally a thread I can keep up with. :thumbsup: I'll have to get up in the wee hours more often.

Strange about the A's wanting to keep the depositions from the public. And even stranger reading some of the myspace links from the previous thread.

It's official.

I'm old.

:huh:

*Bolding mine

Yeah, me too. I'm usually never less than and hour and a half behind. Of course when RL intervenes then there no hope.
Morning posting is a lot less stressful.

[desmom]

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.

At this time, I do not believe the paternity is an issue in this case. But I do think Cindy's lie about a lawyer drawing up papers to prevent the father from coming into Caylee's life later caused some red flags. Why not tell LE Caylee's father does not want to be a part of her life? Why the lie? jmo

[Motomom]

I'm sure we all know single moms that don't speak of or have any involvement with the biological father of their children but I don't know any that have been charged with the murder of their child.

Like it or not, you lose a lot of privacy when you kill your daughter. What normally isn't "anyone else's business" becomes everyone's business during a murder investigation.

I agree to a point. I also agree with SS though that it has no bearing on the case IMO. The father has never stepped fwd. I can't see him wanting to be put in the middle of this mess now. I just don't see the point in causing yet another family pain. I'm sure some don't see it that way but I think I'd be upset if I found out 6 months after my grandchild had been murdered that I had one.

[PuffDragon]

Good morning -

From the NG transcripts.

PADILLA: No, I`m not going to do that, honest. I don`t -- you know, I like your show. I flew in today from California and there was a lady that flew all the way from California today because she heard the memorial was going to be sometime this week.


Why in the world does Lennie need to be back in Orlando? Is anyone involved in the case still talking to him, other than NG?

IMO

I loved the way Lennie last night said to Nancy, "I don't want to get you upset..." with that little chuckle in his voice.
And then she went and got all upset anyway, but I don't think her heart was in it. Did I hear her chuckle too...just a little?

[n/t]

Good morning... I thought he was only asking for the paternity testing done back for Jesse and Caylee?

Correct. The point is why would he ask for paternity testing if it really doesn't matter (per some)?

[kOOkie1]

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.

I agree I dont think its unusual either. Im just curious!! :tongueside:lol- Knowing pretty much how Casey thrives on lies, Its pretty "iffy" that she told the truth about who the Father is. I can imagine how if the pregnancy was such a denial or secret for as long as it could be than there is no way that family would want the "daddy" to know or even be a part of Caylee's life...It would have been giving up too much control. (jmo)
Ohhh MORNING EERYONE:smile:

[i_pickle]

I agree to a point. I also agree with SS though that it has no bearing on the case IMO. The father has never stepped fwd. I can't see him wanting to be put in the middle of this mess now. I just don't see the point in causing yet another family pain. I'm sure some don't see it that way but I think I'd be upset if I found out 6 months after my grandchild had been murdered that I had one.We don't know who he is so we can't be certain that it has no bearing on the case.

Casey and Cindy have stated on record that he is deceased but they both lie so much, who knows. Prior to that Casey said it was Jesse. Apparently, another lie.

There's been a lot of speculation that the father may be someone that I understand we can't discuss here.

My point is, when you kill your child and LE is investigating the murder, any desire for privacy is pretty ridiculous, imo.

It's unfortunate that innocent people's lives are brought into this mess and examined publicly, but it is what it is.

[SavannahStar]

Correct. The point is why would he ask for paternity testing if it really doesn't matter (per some)?

I'd say it has something to do with the defense "strategy".....and I use that term tongue in cheek.

It really doesn't matter, otherwise. I guess to Baez and whatever he plans to do, it's important for him and his defense.

The general public does not need to know who the father is.

IMO.

[Motomom]

Correct. The point is why would he ask for paternity testing if it really doesn't matter (per some)?

Jesse isn't her father though. So asking for those tests make little sense to me. Unless Baez just wants his DNA.. other than that, how does it matter? Cause Jesse isn't her father.

[PuffDragon]

good morning from a very cold Mississippi Gulf Coast!

I missed most of yesterday's post but I assume nothing majored happened

doc dump yet?

Good mornin' Myka, cold over here in SE New England too. Nothing much happening. When the board is slow enough for me to keep up without any trouble you know news has been slow.

Doc dump next week, according to the THs.

[SavannahStar]

I agree I dont think its unusual either. Im just curious!! :tongueside:lol- Knowing pretty much how Casey thrives on lies, Its pretty "iffy" that she told the truth about who the Father is. I can imagine how if the pregnancy was such a denial or secret for as long as it could be than there is no way that family would want the "daddy" to know or even be a part of Caylee's life...It would have been giving up too much control. (jmo)
Ohhh MORNING EERYONE:smile:


*bolding to address*

It's possible the father is the one who did not want any involvement.

[PuffDragon]

Another thing we may not have "seen". During the very first jailhouse phone call, Casey asks Lee for Tony's number. Did she call him that night? IF so, she didnt know at the time that all calls were recorded. The tape of the call might exist, and be submitted into evidence. I'm interested in hearing what she had to say to him.

She called him and he refused the call.

[IM4Truth]

Another thing we may not have "seen". During the very first jailhouse phone call, Casey asks Lee for Tony's number. Did she call him that night? IF so, she didnt know at the time that all calls were recorded. The tape of the call might exist, and be submitted into evidence. I'm interested in hearing what she had to say to him.

I thought I remembered him saying she did call him and he hung up when asked to accept the charges? I think they did talk later though, but not sure when, maybe when she got bailed out?

[kOOkie1]

*bolding to address*

It's possible the father is the one who did not want any involvement.

Very possible! ..Although l also can see why it is important to know the truth on the paternity when its involving the death of a child-when the trial comes I really dont think the State wants any surprises.

[Myka]

*bolding to address*

It's possible the father is the one who did not want any involvement.

I wonder what would have happened if no one knew she was prego. Would she of just had the baby, then throw it away?

[desmom]

*bolding to address*

It's possible the father is the one who did not want any involvement.

It is very possible SS. Then why not say the father does not want to be a part of Caylee's life? Why the lies?

[IM4Truth]

I think this is a perfect example of why people do not want to get involved.

jmo

Whatever happened to protection of Good Samaritins? Maybe there should be a Roy Kronk law now??

[PuffDragon]

Baez will try to pin this on anybody. I guess poor Jesse is "it". The Anthonys don't like him. I think Jesse knows more about the dysfunction in that family than anyone. I think that's why they don't like him....not because he's a bad guy. They feel threatened by what he knows.

IMO

Also, Casey desperately didn't want them to get their heads together and compare notes. We know she told the Grunds lies about C&G so who knows what kind of things she told C&G about him. During a jail visit she flat out told Cindy she didn't want them talking to him. In fact, she said something like, "I want him to stay as far away from you as possible." Which to me sounded odd, more like what she actually meant than what she was trying to say, which was probably more like, "Don't make any contact with him."

[PuffDragon]

Casey doesn't know what a SHOVEL is?!!!???!?

wth! GMAB!!...how can she not know what a shovel is????

all i can say is.... don't let her use your bathroom because she probably doesn't know the difference between toilet paper and a shower curtain either! :scared:

Hee hee hee.
It is strange though. Maybe she wanted to look at pictures of different kinds of shovels to see what kind might fit her purpose best? Or wanted to see if there was a kind that could be washed thoroughly in case any evidence was on it?

[IM4Truth]

AMS, lol, I agree with you. Do you notice that he only gets a small snip in on NG's show?
and WTH does he mean a lady from Calif flew in to Fl?. I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt most of the time but this takes the cake. I'm glad to see there are ppl who can just pack up and go to Fl on a whim. Boy, I wish I could afford to do that.....lol

I wonder if he stood up in front of the plane, introduced himself and asked if anyone flying to FL for the Anthony case to please raise their hand?

[Motomom]

It is very possible SS. Then why not say the father does not want to be a part of Caylee's life? Why the lies?

He may have never even been told. BUT after the fact, when Caylees picture and Casey's mug is all over the national news.. i'd think that if there was someone who realize he was with her yrs ago.. i'd think if he was interested he would have stepped foward. Who knows, and who knows why they lied so much about it. Cindy must not have thought it would turn into a bunch of rumors and what not. Course I have a feeling that Cindy doesn't really know who Caylee's father is.

[Myka]

Good mornin' Myka, cold over here in SE New England too. Nothing much happening. When the board is slow enough for me to keep up without any trouble you know news has been slow.

Doc dump next week, according to the THs.

Hi Puff, I guess I'm a day at the beach compared to your weather lol

yes it is slow, but I for one am happy we haven't had a wing nut come out of the wood work this week.

nice job of the board cracking the Todd Black mystery

ok I am off to work, will check back later

[Myka]

I wonder if he stood up in front of the plane, introduced himself and asked if anyone flying to FL for the Anthony case to please raise their hand?


I really do try to give ppl the benefit of the doubt, but after I saw that last night......he is out!!:thumbdown:

[desmom]

I wonder if he stood up in front of the plane, introduced himself and asked if anyone flying to FL for the Anthony case to please raise their hand?

:lol: Now I have coffee all over my monitor and keyboard.

Lenny is a character. Even Nancy Grace chuckled last night when he was talking.

[PuffDragon]

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.

It's true, it's not that unusual. I had a friend who only wanted a baby, not a relationship, and said so to everyone. She referred to the babydaddy not by name but as a sperm donor. Casey either didn't know, didn't want to know, or didn't want to tell, and I don't see why it matters which one it is.

[IM4Truth]

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.

I'm not sure where this comes into play either unless it is a skeleton in the closet. However, it is also possible that Casey does know who the father is/was and never told him. He may have not even realized she had a baby 9 months later. Some men just never look back. If it was all a lie that the father knew and wanted no part in it, what about his parents? That was their granddaughter too, and though they may have never known her, does not mean they would not grieve a double loss.

[PuffDragon]

You should tell that to Baez. He's the one requesting the paternity test results. Why ?

Because he can't think of anything else to ask for?

[i_pickle]

Very possible! ..Although l also can see why it is important to know the truth on the paternity when its involving the death of a child-when the trial comes I really dont think the State wants any surprises.Also, it's standard proceedure to investigate the family, estranged, or not. LE would be remiss, if they didn't.

If it's part of the investigation and made part of the public record, the public will know.

Imo, it's very simple logic.

[IM4Truth]

He keeps saying Cindy is in control of the remains. I wonder if that's true.

What I don't get is how an accused murderer can have the rights to the remains of the person they're accused of murdering? That doesn't make any sense to me so maybe Lenny is correct. The next of kin has all the rights..and that would be the grandparents.

Casey has only been charged, indicted by a GJ but not convicted. Presumed innocent until proven guilty. I think she would have the right to release the remains to her family if she chooses. But then I'm only "thinking", I have no law experience other than my In Session Bar Exam!

[PuffDragon]

I'm sure we all know single moms that don't speak of or have any involvement with the biological father of their children but I don't know any that have been charged with the murder of their child.

Like it or not, you lose a lot of privacy when you kill your daughter. What normally isn't "anyone else's business" becomes everyone's business during a murder investigation.

I suppose you're right, in a case like this there doesn't seem to be anything off limits but we really should keep this in perspective. We don't have to know everything. If we knew Caylee's dad was Doe John of Battlecreek Michigan how likely would it be that could affect the case against Casey?

[PuffDragon]

At this time, I do not believe the paternity is an issue in this case. But I do think Cindy's lie about a lawyer drawing up papers to prevent the father from coming into Caylee's life later caused some red flags. Why not tell LE Caylee's father does not want to be a part of her life? Why the lie? jmo

I'm beginning to think that Cindy tells off-the-wall lies because she's afraid that if she says something reasonable she might get too close to actually hitting the truth.:rolleyes:

[desmom]

Zenaida Gonzalez's Lawyer Says Case Could Be Easily Closed
http://www.wftv.com/news/18646474/detail.html#-

"We've attached this picture; all she needs to do is say that's not her!" said Morgan on the Nancy Grace show.

[Regina.Lampert]

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.


Paternity is an issue because the Prosecution has to be ready for a claim by the defense that the "real" father or his family were the ones that "kidnapped" Caylee, when this gets to the courtroom.

The Prosecution would be stupid to take casey anythony or her family at their word on the paternity and I'm sure they didn't. Hence the FBI notation at the end of the last doc release to match lee anthony's dna against Caylee's dna.

Good Morning Everyone!

[IM4Truth]

Jesse isn't her father though. So asking for those tests make little sense to me. Unless Baez just wants his DNA.. other than that, how does it matter? Cause Jesse isn't her father.

JB may be trying to find more DNA from the scene where the remains were found. Other than that he just wants any evidence that the state is going to use against her and he has the right to it. Cindy started pointing fingers at Jesse when he was there trying to support her and Casey in the beginning, trying to get to the bottom of it all.

[Pruddennce]

*bolding to address*

And why not, though? It's really not anyone's business who Caylee's father is. For whatever reason, he has not been involved in Caylee's life since birth, through death. The Anthonys raised Caylee on their own, with no support financial or otherwise, from the father. Cindy said early on (paraphrased), "her father has never been involved in her life."

In my own personal life I have known a few women who gave birth out of wedlock and never mentioned the father's name for just those reasons: the child was raised as a single mom with no support or involvement of the father. The reasons are not important. It is what it is.

To me, it's just that simple. And not that unusual.

IMO.

well, Baez seems to think its HIS business, but cant get any other answer from his client *he died*<----she is probably sticking to this story...

unable to go forward because there is no connection to her supposed "dead father' story, Jesse is the latest mark...who already established there is no paternity. he wants to drag him thru the mud...*casey already indicated she was throwing Jesse under the bus by telling Cindy he is not to be trusted*....

however, casey herself called Jesse and told him not to talk to her mother *Ill explain later when Im drunk*....

Casey plays everyone.

who is Caylee's dad? sure, it might be irrelevant, but if the guy is really dead, that should be easily discovered. IMO, there is no dead guy, just another phantom Baez has to deal with, so he is doing 'busy work, check Jesse again' to cloud that issue.

if he gets a shot at Jesse, and he has to take another test, the 'who is the daddy issue' will fade. cant bring up a 'dead guy' nor the family, who doesnt exist.

IMO.

*wonder why Lee's dna was being checked for paternity?*

best regards,
Pru

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning -

From the NG transcripts.

PADILLA: No, I`m not going to do that, honest. I don`t -- you know, I like your show. I flew in today from California and there was a lady that flew all the way from California today because she heard the memorial was going to be sometime this week.


Why in the world does Lennie need to be back in Orlando? Is anyone involved in the case still talking to him, other than NG?

IMO



I don't think she wants to talk to him anymore either....maybe he signed a contract with the show....nothing he says makes any sense....I hope that the MR sues him for what he has been saying on national TV about him...

Anytime a person has to use other names to make his story sound plauseable means he is a liar. LP can not answer one question without bringing someone into his story to verify its credibility.....could be thats why he thought that he would be able to get Casey to talk....he's a liar like her....

He had no business coming to Florida to begin with, he did nothing but cause problems from day one....he has nothing at all to do with this case.....he is a bounty hunter not an investigator (and its obvious why)...he needs to continue looking for bail jumpers and stay out of this case......JMOO

[trich]

AMS, lol, I agree with you. Do you notice that he only gets a small snip in on NG's show?
and WTH does he mean a lady from Calif flew in to Fl?. I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt most of the time but this takes the cake. I'm glad to see there are ppl who can just pack up and go to Fl on a whim. Boy, I wish I could afford to do that.....lol

Yeah me too....and I live even closer to Florida then you do.:biggrin:
By the way where on the Ms coast do you live.
(I know sorry off topic lol)

[PuffDragon]

I agree to a point. I also agree with SS though that it has no bearing on the case IMO. The father has never stepped fwd. I can't see him wanting to be put in the middle of this mess now. I just don't see the point in causing yet another family pain. I'm sure some don't see it that way but I think I'd be upset if I found out 6 months after my grandchild had been murdered that I had one.

I know I'd be upset Motomom, especially after spending months seeing those pictures and videos and hearing Caylee's voice........:sad:
And if for some reason there was no chance for another grandbaby to come along........ I would be bereft!!!

[Narcissist71]

I'd say it has something to do with the defense "strategy".....and I use that term tongue in cheek.

It really doesn't matter, otherwise. I guess to Baez and whatever he plans to do, it's important for him and his defense.

The general public does not need to know who the father is.

IMO.

Yep, I think LE and defense attorney look at things that maybe "irrelevant" to a case, but they have to look first before they can decide whether it's "irrelevant"......

Watching some of the forensic file shows, I've seen were something that was overlooked as "irrelevant" broke a case wide open.

*Adding* problem here is that everything relevant or not is released to the public. I'm still torn on how I feel about that....see good especially in political things, and in criminal, but not sure, about the criminal side, considering how it seems the State is using it to filter out info to the public, in this case.

[Pruddennce]

JB may be trying to find more DNA from the scene where the remains were found. Other than that he just wants any evidence that the state is going to use against her and he has the right to it. Cindy started pointing fingers at Jesse when he was there trying to support her and Casey in the beginning, trying to get to the bottom of it all.

I agree. and.... Cindy started pointing the finger at him because she got the 'go ahead' from Casey in the jailhouse visit to do so. and then Cindy was let loose to accuse a few more people on her own.....Amy and Ricardo.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[i_pickle]

I suppose you're right, in a case like this there doesn't seem to be anything off limits but we really should keep this in perspective. We don't have to know everything. If we knew Caylee's dad was Doe John of Battlecreek Michigan how likely would it be that could affect the case against Casey?I'm not arguing that we (the public) *needs* to know. I'm just saying that we probably WILL know...if it becomes a matter of public record.

[IM4Truth]

It is very possible SS. Then why not say the father does not want to be a part of Caylee's life? Why the lies?

They DID say the father didn't want to be a part of the baby's life, that he and Casey both agreed upon that. (doesn't mean that is true) Lies started coming up when people started pushing for who the daddy was. Easier to say he's dead.

[Barbara fl.]

He may have never even been told. BUT after the fact, when Caylees picture and Casey's mug is all over the national news.. i'd think that if there was someone who realize he was with her yrs ago.. i'd think if he was interested he would have stepped foward. Who knows, and who knows why they lied so much about it. Cindy must not have thought it would turn into a bunch of rumors and what not. Course I have a feeling that Cindy doesn't really know who Caylee's father is.


I agree with your therory.....If anyone was out there that had a relationship with Casey (even a one night stand) would have been able to put it together by now....and they probably would have come forward....This is one that I can not figure....

I also agree that Cindy probably doesn't know who the father is....And if Casey was trying to blame Jesse then it's likely she doesn't know either.....But I think there is a daddy out there that does know he is the father....maybe he's married and was married at the time and it would break up his family....but even if that were the case....the father would know that he should come forward and just fess up to the wife....

Everything about Casey's life is a lie and has been a lie for so long....a puzzle for sure (5000 piecer)

[PuffDragon]

Very possible! ..Although l also can see why it is important to know the truth on the paternity when its involving the death of a child-when the trial comes I really dont think the State wants any surprises.

Because any surprise might sound bad to the jury? I suppose if I were LE I would make sure to eliminate every man known to have ever been anywhere near Casey, just to cover all bases. I don't know how far they would have to go to convince people that the paternity isn't important to Caylee's death.

[IM4Truth]

I suppose you're right, in a case like this there doesn't seem to be anything off limits but we really should keep this in perspective. We don't have to know everything. If we knew Caylee's dad was Doe John of Battlecreek Michigan how likely would it be that could affect the case against Casey?

OMG, then JB would be all over that and then another innocent family's life would be drawn through the mud aside hundreds of others who ever came in contact with Casey.

[Narcissist71]

Paternity is an issue because the Prosecution has to be ready for a claim by the defense that the "real" father or his family were the ones that "kidnapped" Caylee, when this gets to the courtroom.

The Prosecution would be stupid to take casey anythony or her family at their word on the paternity and I'm sure they didn't. Hence the FBI notation at the end of the last doc release to match lee anthony's dna against Caylee's dna.

Good Morning Everyone!

It goes back to investigating, what may seem incredible and beyond belief.....because sometimes (okay on rare occasions) those things that appear to be "irrelevant" actually break a case.

[trich]

I don't think she wants to talk to him anymore either....maybe he signed a contract with the show....nothing he says makes any sense....I hope that the MR sues him for what he has been saying on national TV about him...

Anytime a person has to use other names to make his story sound plauseable means he is a liar. LP can not answer one question without bringing someone into his story to verify its credibility.....could be thats why he thought that he would be able to get Casey to talk....he's a liar like her....

He had no business coming to Florida to begin with, he did nothing but cause problems from day one....he has nothing at all to do with this case.....he is a bounty hunter not an investigator (and its obvious why)...he needs to continue looking for bail jumpers and stay out of this case......JMOO

I know he gets irritating but he has been a big part of this case from the beginning when he had his nephew bond out Casey the first time around.
I believe he actually thought she might be innocent and if not he could talk her into admitting where Caylee was.
I was furious at him for getting her bonded out but I truely believe he thought he could find Caylee.
What he found instead was a murderer with a family has no conscious and will lie and make up stories to save their murdering daughter.
He is the first one (outside of LE) that really and truely found out by experience how
depicable this family has been with their untruths and playing the blame game on people who only tried to be friends with Casey.

[IM4Truth]

Zenaida Gonzalez's Lawyer Says Case Could Be Easily Closed
http://www.wftv.com/news/18646474/detail.html#-

"We've attached this picture; all she needs to do is say that's not her!" said Morgan on the Nancy Grace show.

I know Morgan said that, but he also wants to know how Casey made a connection to Sawgrass Apts, knew about the silver car this real ZG drove, even mentioned NY tags on the car (that I just first heard about on NG the other night), etc. I don't see where Morgan needs to ask those questions like "Do you know who killed Casey?". He just needs enough to clear this ZG.

[PuffDragon]

I wonder what would have happened if no one knew she was prego. Would she of just had the baby, then throw it away?

What I want to know is how she got all the way to seven months before her condition became noticeable. Had she not been near her family until that wedding or what? Because seriously, there's no way Cindy didn't see what Casey looked like, and even if she wanted to believe that it wasn't a pregnancy, what mother, especially a mother who's a nurse, wouldn't have made at least one trip with her to the doctor who diagnosed a 'female problem' that seemed to be untreated and getting worse?

[SavannahStar]

I'm not sure where this comes into play either unless it is a skeleton in the closet. However, it is also possible that Casey does know who the father is/was and never told him. He may have not even realized she had a baby 9 months later. Some men just never look back. If it was all a lie that the father knew and wanted no part in it, what about his parents? That was their granddaughter too, and though they may have never known her, does not mean they would not grieve a double loss.


Well I know of one single mom who did in fact want to get the paternal grandparents involved in her child's life but they wanted nothing at all to do with the child. They believed and supported their son, whose attitude was "hey I wanted her to have an abortion, she didn't, so the kid is hers." This particular mother sent a photo of her baby to the paternal grandmother and it was sent back with a note, "Sorry!"

So you can't make a blanket statement that all paternal grandparents of a baby born out of wedlock and not wanted by the father, would conversely have any interest at all in the child.

Just sayin. So it's possible, either way.

[Narcissist71]

Also, it's standard proceedure to investigate the family, estranged, or not. LE would be remiss, if they didn't.

If it's part of the investigation and made part of the public record, the public will know.

Imo, it's very simple logic.

Totally agree......

but it also makes me question the Sunshine Act or whatever....if you know what I mean.

[Barbara fl.]

well, Baez seems to think its HIS business, but cant get any other answer from his client *he died*<----she is probably sticking to this story...

unable to go forward because there is no connection to her supposed "dead father' story, Jesse is the latest mark...who already established there is no paternity. he wants to drag him thru the mud...*casey already indicated she was throwing Jesse under the bus by telling Cindy he is not to be trusted*....

however, casey herself called Jesse and told him not to talk to her mother *Ill explain later when Im drunk*....

Casey plays everyone.

who is Caylee's dad? sure, it might be irrelevant, but if the guy is really dead, that should be easily discovered. IMO, there is no dead guy, just another phantom Baez has to deal with, so he is doing 'busy work, check Jesse again' to cloud that issue.

if he gets a shot at Jesse, and he has to take another test, the 'who is the daddy issue' will fade. cant bring up a 'dead guy' nor the family, who doesnt exist.

IMO.

*wonder why Lee's dna was being checked for paternity?*

best regards,
Pru


It could also be that the defense is hoping against hope that Jesse turns out to be Caylee's father with a second test......Men have been known to send someone else to take the test for them (but I doubt that it happened in this case).....LKB is probably wishing that Jesse can be caught up in some lie thus causing reasonable doubt as to theirs clients guilt....in othere words shift the suspicion elsewhere....

It is a tactict that I wouldn't put past KLB.....If they do find the bio father it will help their case.....Obviously they are not getting the info from their client......JMO

[IM4Truth]

Paternity is an issue because the Prosecution has to be ready for a claim by the defense that the "real" father or his family were the ones that "kidnapped" Caylee, when this gets to the courtroom.

The Prosecution would be stupid to take casey anythony or her family at their word on the paternity and I'm sure they didn't. Hence the FBI notation at the end of the last doc release to match lee anthony's dna against Caylee's dna.

Good Morning Everyone!

I can't help but wonder if that noted added by the FBI had anything to do at Lenny's insistance? He seems to have a good contact with his friend "Nick Savatch". BTW off topic and no need to discuss this further but just to add a bit of levity to the day, a dog has been loose running all over Miami Airport for the last 45 minutes. Six trucks trying to catch him, running under jet planes, etc. Wish you all had local coverage, it has been hilarious! If I get knocked off, oh well, I have work to do and must start it soon anyway.

[Barbara fl.]

Well I know of one single mom who did in fact want to get the paternal grandparents involved in her child's life but they wanted nothing at all to do with the child. They believed and supported their son, whose attitude was "hey I wanted her to have an abortion, she didn't, so the kid is hers." This particular mother sent a photo of her baby to the paternal grandmother and it was sent back with a note, "Sorry!"

So you can't make a blanket statement that all paternal grandparents of a baby born out of wedlock and not wanted by the father, would conversely have any interest at all in the child.

Just sayin. So it's possible, either way.


You are so right......and the ones that fit that scenerio should cover themselves in shame....

[Narcissist71]

well, Baez seems to think its HIS business, but cant get any other answer from his client *he died*<----she is probably sticking to this story...

unable to go forward because there is no connection to her supposed "dead father' story, Jesse is the latest mark...who already established there is no paternity. he wants to drag him thru the mud...*casey already indicated she was throwing Jesse under the bus by telling Cindy he is not to be trusted*....

however, casey herself called Jesse and told him not to talk to her mother *Ill explain later when Im drunk*....

Casey plays everyone.

who is Caylee's dad? sure, it might be irrelevant, but if the guy is really dead, that should be easily discovered. IMO, there is no dead guy, just another phantom Baez has to deal with, so he is doing 'busy work, check Jesse again' to cloud that issue.

if he gets a shot at Jesse, and he has to take another test, the 'who is the daddy issue' will fade. cant bring up a 'dead guy' nor the family, who doesnt exist.

IMO.

*wonder why Lee's dna was being checked for paternity?*

best regards,
Pru

To your * remark......the reason might be that LE is investigating the case, and there was the accusation according to people that knew Casey that she claimed her brother had inappropriate contact with her.

So again, part of a good investigation to check such info to confirm or deny it.

[bballgrl]

I'd say it has something to do with the defense "strategy".....and I use that term tongue in cheek.

It really doesn't matter, otherwise. I guess to Baez and whatever he plans to do, it's important for him and his defense.

The general public does not need to know who the father is.

IMO.

Actually, in the grand scheme of things.. it kinda DOES matter. In the event that Casey is convicted, the father would be next of kin. Do we know if Caylees body had been found BEFORE or AFTER the paternity test was supposedly requested. I would think if done BEFORE, they may have wanted to know if there was a RL Daddy out there to take custody (if Caylee had been found alive) or have control of the remains (if not)..... Kind of makes sense in that case. JMO

[IM4Truth]

Because he can't think of anything else to ask for?

Maybe because he can't come up with any other defense! He is grasping at straws now. I just hope insanity doesn't come in now that George has been so despondent.

[destiny1]

well, Baez seems to think its HIS business, but cant get any other answer from his client *he died*<----she is probably sticking to this story...

unable to go forward because there is no connection to her supposed "dead father' story, Jesse is the latest mark...who already established there is no paternity. he wants to drag him thru the mud...*casey already indicated she was throwing Jesse under the bus by telling Cindy he is not to be trusted*....

however, casey herself called Jesse and told him not to talk to her mother *Ill explain later when Im drunk*....

Casey plays everyone.

who is Caylee's dad? sure, it might be irrelevant, but if the guy is really dead, that should be easily discovered. IMO, there is no dead guy, just another phantom Baez has to deal with, so he is doing 'busy work, check Jesse again' to cloud that issue.

if he gets a shot at Jesse, and he has to take another test, the 'who is the daddy issue' will fade. cant bring up a 'dead guy' nor the family, who doesnt exist.

IMO.

*wonder why Lee's dna was being checked for paternity?*

best regards,
Pru

Im interested as well, but I do believe that her paternuity is errelevant as of now.

IF there were REALLY a need, and Casey gave a name, and his remains could be located, then since it happened recently, as in a few years, DNA could definitely be obtained to put this matter to rest.

[destiny1]

Maybe because he can't come up with any other defense! He is grasping at straws now. I just hope insanity doesn't come in now that George has been so despondent.

There is only maniacal diabolical self-centerdness there. No insanity.

[Narcissist71]

It could also be that the defense is hoping against hope that Jesse turns out to be Caylee's father with a second test......Men have been known to send someone else to take the test for them (but I doubt that it happened in this case).....LKB is probably wishing that Jesse can be caught up in some lie thus causing reasonable doubt as to theirs clients guilt....in othere words shift the suspicion elsewhere....

It is a tactict that I wouldn't put past KLB.....If they do find the bio father it will help their case.....Obviously they are not getting the info from their client......JMO

Yep, and quite possible, Jesse learned from Casey or Casey learned from Jesse about faking documents.

No I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I think part of a good investigation is to look at all possibilities.

[destiny1]

Actually, in the grand scheme of things.. it kinda DOES matter. In the event that Casey is convicted, the father would be next of kin. Do we know if Caylees body had been found BEFORE or AFTER the paternity test was supposedly requested. I would think if done BEFORE, they may have wanted to know if there was a RL Daddy out there to take custody (if Caylee had been found alive) or have control of the remains (if not)..... Kind of makes sense in that case. JMO

It makes sense in a way, but legally it won't matter as the father won't be obligated to take custody of and bury his deceased child with which he allegedly has had no contact.

[margaritaville]

Casey doesn't know what a SHOVEL is?!!!???!?

wth! GMAB!!...how can she not know what a shovel is????

all i can say is.... don't let her use your bathroom because she probably doesn't know the difference between toilet paper and a shower curtain either! :scared:


I thought it was Casey's job to dig up those root things in the back yard so Caylee doesn't step on them......Isn't that cindy's excuse of why Casey borrowed the neighbors shovel??

MOO

[destiny1]

I wonder what would have happened if no one knew she was prego. Would she of just had the baby, then throw it away?

Knowing what we know about Casey right now, yes. Unless she found a financial use for the baby, or she thought the baby would get her praises and attention, or even some good old sympathy. "Gee you poor girl had this baby all by yourself, here is some money". KWIM?

[PuffDragon]

Paternity is an issue because the Prosecution has to be ready for a claim by the defense that the "real" father or his family were the ones that "kidnapped" Caylee, when this gets to the courtroom.

The Prosecution would be stupid to take casey anythony or her family at their word on the paternity and I'm sure they didn't. Hence the FBI notation at the end of the last doc release to match lee anthony's dna against Caylee's dna.

Good Morning Everyone!

Yes, LE needs to know, I agree with that. They can't be leaving loopholes for the defense to grab onto. The thing is, until or unless we find out, there's little reason for us to be making wild guesses and pointing fingers (and you know that has been done), things that don't advance the case at all. Like you I'm relatively sure they have already eliminated those men close to Casey. I'm hoping they have also eliminated the ones that are less probable, just to keep the defense from saying "Why did you stop there?" But I still say it's a red herring. Nobody but Casey fits into the puzzle as the perpetrator, I don't think there's a place to fit some as-yet-unknown man who, for some as-yet-unfathomable reason, would kidnap that baby and leave her dead blocks from home wrapped in a blanket from her bedroom.

[Balesha]

I wouldn't put it past Casey to have taken hairs from Jesse's shower and plant them with the body. Didn't she shower at his place one day?

[Regina.Lampert]

I think baez wants Jesse's dna profile, thru the paternity test results, in order to potentially cast more blame on him, should any of his dna unfortunately be closely associated with dna found anywhere at the multiple crimescenes.

The defense is setting Jesse Grund up, imo.

[IM4Truth]

Well I know of one single mom who did in fact want to get the paternal grandparents involved in her child's life but they wanted nothing at all to do with the child. They believed and supported their son, whose attitude was "hey I wanted her to have an abortion, she didn't, so the kid is hers." This particular mother sent a photo of her baby to the paternal grandmother and it was sent back with a note, "Sorry!"

So you can't make a blanket statement that all paternal grandparents of a baby born out of wedlock and not wanted by the father, would conversely have any interest at all in the child.
Just sayin. So it's possible, either way.

I bolded because I didn't make a blanket statement that all paternal grandparents want to know this.

[destiny1]

It is very possible SS. Then why not say the father does not want to be a part of Caylee's life? Why the lies?

The lies would be to save face. casey would have been somehow "less successful" if she had an affair resulting in a child, and failed to "snare" the father, or perhaps, the father is an undesirable. Sadly, that happened in my family, but we got the boy straightened out, employed, and now he is an upstanding person.

[Barbara fl.]

I know he gets irritating but he has been a big part of this case from the beginning when he had his nephew bond out Casey the first time around.
I believe he actually thought she might be innocent and if not he could talk her into admitting where Caylee was.
I was furious at him for getting her bonded out but I truely believe he thought he could find Caylee.
What he found instead was a murderer with a family has no conscious and will lie and make up stories to save their murdering daughter.
He is the first one (outside of LE) that really and truely found out by experience how
depicable this family has been with their untruths and playing the blame game on people who only tried to be friends with Casey.


Maybe so...but LP had his motives from day one....he craves publicity.....and what better way of getting it but to become involved in such a high profile case.....It was extremely cheap publicity and it worked in his favor.....I do not believe for one second that his concern was for Caylee....

If you nitice, he has shifted all responsibility from Casey and on to everyone else...he seems to have more faith in that liar/murderer then anyone else.....it's almost as though he is working for the defense team on a sly.......Sorry...but I just don't trust that man.....or his motives....

And I'm getting the feeling that NG is shifting away from him....JMOO

[i_pickle]

Totally agree......

but it also makes me question the Sunshine Act or whatever....if you know what I mean.I'm not that familiar with the Sunshine Law. I did a search because it was mentioned here so often in connection with this case. I'm not real savvy on legalese but from what I gathered it's not much different than what we have in my state. Once it becomes public record, anyone can have access to it.

I'm probably missing something, idk...

[Narcissist71]

Yes, LE needs to know, I agree with that. They can't be leaving loopholes for the defense to grab onto. The thing is, until or unless we find out, there's little reason for us to be making wild guesses and pointing fingers (and you know that has been done), that don't advance the case at all. Like you I'm relatively sure they have already eliminated those men close to Casey. I'm hoping they have also eliminated the ones that are less probable, just to keep the defense from saying "Why did you stop there?" But I still say it's a red herring. Nobody but Casey fits into the puzzle as the perpetrator, I don't think there's a place to fit some as-yet-unknown man who, for some as-yet-unfathomable reason, would kidnap that baby and leave her blocks from home wrapped in a blanket from her bedroom.

Yep, I totally agree with you.....I don't think it's Jesse (just my belief).....and I don't think that Caylee's daddy just decided to kill Caylee....

Sorry to put this out there, but recently I read an article were a guy killed his children because of child support.....and I'm sure LE has checked out if Casey was pressing the "dead" father for child support.....

Sorry I have to laugh at the thought, but I'd have to think that LE looked into that possibility.

I know I'm critical of LE at times, but between Psychic Tips and other silly stuff, the majority of LE does a good job. When they aren't uploading inappropriate pictures and looking for other jobs while working.

[IM4Truth]

Actually, in the grand scheme of things.. it kinda DOES matter. In the event that Casey is convicted, the father would be next of kin. Do we know if Caylees body had been found BEFORE or AFTER the paternity test was supposedly requested. I would think if done BEFORE, they may have wanted to know if there was a RL Daddy out there to take custody (if Caylee had been found alive) or have control of the remains (if not)..... Kind of makes sense in that case. JMO

If he signed away all parental rights, he woudln't be next of kin. But I highly doubt he signed anything after hearing about Cindy's spin on the attorney that had them sign papers saying no one else could ever claim Caylee. (or whatever that was). BTW the dog at MIA just got caught.

[Jeepers]

There are so many questions I have about Casey but concerning the paternity of Caylee I really don't know which way to go.
One night stand
Married man
Deceased
Why was she so secretive about Caylee's father but then when she was out with her friends she ran into a young man she told everyone she had a miscarriage with his child several said she was seen upset.
Casey is so drama bound. I just don't see how she has remained silent about Caylee's father and had no problem calling this guy out.

[PuffDragon]

I don't think she wants to talk to him anymore either.

<Snipped to address>



Actually, I don't know about that, I suspect he amuses her. He certainly amuses me. I just don't take him seriously.

[destiny1]

I think it's odd that the company doesn't have a legal department or at least a lawyer on retainer that they could use. They just went out and grabbed a $350/hr lawyer without a second thought??? I agree the poor guy should have representation and I hope somebody figures out how to make it happen.

I don't want to think about all the lawyers working for free for the Anthony group....................


that is odd, because everyplace that I have worked had a risk management department that put me through the ringer before hiring, a bond, and an attorney and representative for me to call if I made a "misstep". Bonding paid for these "missteps". Government agencies and utility companies all usually have these departments, or maybe it is for professionals only.

[margaritaville]

Because any surprise might sound bad to the jury? I suppose if I were LE I would make sure to eliminate every man known to have ever been anywhere near Casey, just to cover all bases. I don't know how far they would have to go to convince people that the paternity isn't important to Caylee's death.

Would the checking everyone include Jose himself??

some still believe that Casey knew him before this.......

just a thought........

[destiny1]

I think baez wants Jesse's dna profile, thru the paternity test results, in order to potentially cast more blame on him, should any of his dna unfortunately be closely associated with dna found anywhere at the multiple crimescenes.

The defense is setting Jesse Grund up, imo.

And I hope they are going to pay in hell for that!

It is just wrong to do that.

[IM4Truth]

Yep, and quite possible, Jesse learned from Casey or Casey learned from Jesse about faking documents.

No I'm not accusing anyone of anything, but I think part of a good investigation is to look at all possibilities.

Jesse willingly provided the DNA results to the State. I'm sure they could have uncovered fake documents in that case.

[Barbara fl.]

I'm not that familiar with the Sunshine Law. I did a search because it was mentioned here so often in connection with this case. I'm not real savvy on legalese but from what I gathered it's not much different than what we have in my state. Once it becomes public record, anyone can have access to it.

I'm probably missing something, idk...


The Sunshine Law gives alot more to what is made public then some other states.....They are made public (redacted of course) once they are turned over to the defense....this could happen while the case is going on.....some might think this to be unjust....and there are ways around it...but most of the time not likely.......

But, yes...in most states (if not all) trial documents do become public at one point or another.....

[bballgrl]

If he signed away all parental rights, he woudln't be next of kin. But I highly doubt he signed anything after hearing about Cindy's spin on the attorney that had them sign papers saying no one else could ever claim Caylee. (or whatever that was). BTW the dog at MIA just got caught.


Well, my thinking is that whoever the Daddy is.. he probably doesn't even know. Just my thoughts. I just think that LE wants to be prepared for any eventuality....

[i_pickle]

I wouldn't put it past Casey to have taken hairs from Jesse's shower and plant them with the body. Didn't she shower at his place one day?That was strange that all of a sudden she showed up to take a shower and then hung around. IIRC, Jesse found it odd and as diabolical and conniving as she seems to be, I find it hard to write off anything she does as coincidence.

[PuffDragon]

Yep, I think LE and defense attorney look at things that maybe "irrelevant" to a case, but they have to look first before they can decide whether it's "irrelevant"......

Watching some of the forensic file shows, I've seen were something that was overlooked as "irrelevant" broke a case wide open.

*Adding* problem here is that everything relevant or not is released to the public. I'm still torn on how I feel about that....see good especially in political things, and in criminal, but not sure, about the criminal side, considering how it seems the State is using it to filter out info to the public, in this case.

I'm betting that LE is not going to leave any stones unturned on this case, it's too public. But for that very reason there are some things just aren't going to be released; probably DNA test results are exempt from the Sunshine Law disclosure for reasons of privacy. So I'm not worrying about it, I think they probably have it covered. And nothing we say or do is going to change what they have discovered.

[trich]

Did I read last night that the DNA paternity was sealed back in July around the 26th?
That is very strange to me if the LE have known who Caylee's father is back then.
We only knew about Caylee being missing since July 16(although she had been missing for 31 days before)so in 10 days after that the LE "knew" who the father was???????
This is very confusing to me if they have known that since then.
I don't thnk we even knew all the charactors in this horrible story by then.Also most of the people Casey was friends with she did not know until after Caylee was born.
Except for Jessie who thought he was the father , found out he wasn't but still wanted to marry Casey and be a father to Caylee.

Since Jessie already had a dna test done and found out he wasn't...who exactly does that leave?(maybe Mark?)
I have always felt she did not know but now I am leaning to the unementionable especially if the LE have had the paternity sealed since last July.
Does anyone else understand my thinking?

[IM4Truth]

I'm not that familiar with the Sunshine Law. I did a search because it was mentioned here so often in connection with this case. I'm not real savvy on legalese but from what I gathered it's not much different than what we have in my state. Once it becomes public record, anyone can have access to it.

I'm probably missing something, idk...

Yep, the part I bolded just about says it all.

[Regina.Lampert]

I wouldn't put it past Casey to have taken hairs from Jesse's shower and plant them with the body. Didn't she shower at his place one day?

Now THAT is a frightening thought.

[Barbara fl.]

Actually, I don't know about that, I suspect he amuses her. He certainly amuses me. I just don't take him seriously.


I'm happy he amuses you...But he makes me sick (hey what happened to our boffing smiley?) Oh well....:drool::biggrin:

[IM4Truth]

Yep, I totally agree with you.....I don't think it's Jesse (just my belief).....and I don't think that Caylee's daddy just decided to kill Caylee....

Sorry to put this out there, but recently I read an article were a guy killed his children because of child support.....and I'm sure LE has checked out if Casey was pressing the "dead" father for child support.....

Sorry I have to laugh at the thought, but I'd have to think that LE looked into that possibility.

I know I'm critical of LE at times, but between Psychic Tips and other silly stuff, the majority of LE does a good job. When they aren't uploading inappropriate pictures and looking for other jobs while working.

Bolding to request why you made that statement? Has there been something in the news pertaining to OCSO doing this? I must have missed that part.

[Narcissist71]

Jesse willingly provided the DNA results to the State. I'm sure they could have uncovered fake documents in that case.

Totally agree.....

We discuss many things that the State would be able to uncover.

Just was saying that until you see the proof, it's wise to ask for documentation to confirm or deny it.

*Adding* actually we discuss things that the State should have, like the "book" in a photo.....yet we still discuss it. Right?

[i_pickle]

The Sunshine Law gives alot more to what is made public then some other states.....They are made public (redacted of course) once they are turned over to the defense....this could happen while the case is going on.....some might think this to be unjust....and there are ways around it...but most of the time not likely.......

But, yes...in most states (if not all) trial documents do become public at one point or another.....Thanks for the explanation. I've never seen a case like this, in my state or any other. Huge amounts of info to wade thru (if interested) before it even comes to trial.

I'm sure the SL comes into play as does the fact that, due to technology, we live in the so-called information age.

[IM4Truth]

There are so many questions I have about Casey but concerning the paternity of Caylee I really don't know which way to go.
One night stand
Married man
Deceased
Why was she so secretive about Caylee's father but then when she was out with her friends she ran into a young man she told everyone she had a miscarriage with his child several said she was seen upset.
Casey is so drama bound. I just don't see how she has remained silent about Caylee's father and had no problem calling this guy out.

I wonder if her parents knew about this miscarriage? When my daughter went through it, it was very painful for both of us. I can remember sitting on the floor with her while she was writhing in pain and there was nothing they could do for her at that time but let her suffer through it.

[margaritaville]

Did I read last night that the DNA paternity was sealed back in July around the 26th?
That is very strange to me if the LE have known who Caylee's father is back then.
We only knew about Caylee being missing since July 16(although she had been missing for 31 days before)so in 10 days after that the LE "knew" who the father was???????
This is very confusing to me if they have known that since then.
I don't thnk we even knew all the charactors in this horrible story by then.Also most of the people Casey was friends with she did not know until after Caylee was born.
Except for Jessie who thought he was the father , found out he wasn't but still wanted to marry Casey and be a father to Caylee.

Since Jessie already had a dna test done and found out he wasn't...who exactly does that leave?(maybe Mark?)
I have always felt she did not know but now I am leaning to the unementionable especially if the LE have had the paternity sealed since last July.
Does anyone else understand my thinking?

I do......And I think you are right......If it is a family member, I can see LE sealing it..... If not, why the big secret?

[Regina.Lampert]

I can't help but wonder if that noted added by the FBI had anything to do at Lenny's insistance? He seems to have a good contact with his friend "Nick Savatch". BTW off topic and no need to discuss this further but just to add a bit of levity to the day, a dog has been loose running all over Miami Airport for the last 45 minutes. Six trucks trying to catch him, running under jet planes, etc. Wish you all had local coverage, it has been hilarious! If I get knocked off, oh well, I have work to do and must start it soon anyway.

LOL, I'm sure it will wind up on youtube.

I agree, LP is in touch with the FBI and the OCSD, imo. That is one of the reasons NG has him on the show. Interesting that he has flown back to Orlando, he must know that the memorial is coming soon. imo.

[IM4Truth]

Would the checking everyone include Jose himself??

some still believe that Casey knew him before this.......

just a thought........

She did make a quick call to him. Has anyone ever discovered any former connection between them? Surely all of these board sleuths have done that investigation by now.

[Narcissist71]

Bolding to request why you made that statement? Has there been something in the news pertaining to OCSO doing this? I must have missed that part.

I believe there was an article posted on these boards (sorry if it was not confirmed, just my recollection from reading here) as to another reason why an officer investigating a call by RK the meter reader, had his gun taken and placed into a supply room.

My apologies if that was false info that was posted here.

*Adding* but of course you have to admit that if such behavior occurred on the job, it wouldn't be "Serving and Protecting"

[Motomom]

I'm not arguing that we (the public) *needs* to know. I'm just saying that we probably WILL know...if it becomes a matter of public record.

I guess it wouldn't be protected under the Hippa law?

[PuffDragon]

I'm not arguing that we (the public) *needs* to know. I'm just saying that we probably WILL know...if it becomes a matter of public record.

If it's important to know, then, as you said, it will be public record and we will know. But as a matter of curiousity, I guess I have none.

[destiny1]

Would the checking everyone include Jose himself??

some still believe that Casey knew him before this.......

just a thought........


It would be disastrous for Baez to even take a test!

[PuffDragon]

They DID say the father didn't want to be a part of the baby's life, that he and Casey both agreed upon that. (doesn't mean that is true) Lies started coming up when people started pushing for who the daddy was. Easier to say he's dead.

Very true, Truth. Sorry, I've been dying to say that :rolleyes:.

[IM4Truth]

I do......And I think you are right......If it is a family member, I can see LE sealing it..... If not, why the big secret?

Can LE seal it? Wouldn't it have to be the family's attorney getting a court order to get it sealed?

[dohinmom]

Hi there,

Technically, all topics on message boards are "no ones business", so why bother say "this isn't anyone's business" about certain topics? Message boards should really be called opinion boards, because that is what we do - give our opinions on various topics. Everyone has the right to their own opinions. IMO

anyway, the thing about the bio father of Caylee that interests me is that if it is found out that the father is alive ( irregardless of his interest or not) then that goes to show the long pattern of lying in the anthony family. IMO


take care,

dolphinmom

[Barbara fl.]

If he signed away all parental rights, he woudln't be next of kin. But I highly doubt he signed anything after hearing about Cindy's spin on the attorney that had them sign papers saying no one else could ever claim Caylee. (or whatever that was). BTW the dog at MIA just got caught.


That airline will have to care for that dog until it's owner is found, I hope they know what cage it got out of or those poor owners are going to be upset when they reach their destination and not have their pet....That can be heartbreaking....

I truly doubt that anyone ever signed away their parental rights with Caylee....I think LE would have been aware of that and it would have been turned over to the defense....

I think they are picking straws (the defense) and hoping against hope that they can locate Caylee's father....JMOO

[IM4Truth]

LOL, I'm sure it will wind up on youtube.

I agree, LP is in touch with the FBI and the OCSD, imo. That is one of the reasons NG has him on the show. Interesting that he has flown back to Orlando, he must know that the memorial is coming soon. imo.

Well at least a tentative memorial has been set. He is probably basing it on that. He was always trying to get someone to pay for his trip back to FL, wonder who paid for it this time?

[Barbara fl.]

is it just me, or is NG apologizing a lot, the last few nights, for interrupting her guests???


Yes I have noticed her demeanor has changed alot lately....for the better :thumbup:

[PuffDragon]

I agree with your therory.....If anyone was out there that had a relationship with Casey (even a one night stand) would have been able to put it together by now....and they probably would have come forward....This is one that I can not figure....

I also agree that Cindy probably doesn't know who the father is....And if Casey was trying to blame Jesse then it's likely she doesn't know either.....But I think there is a daddy out there that does know he is the father....maybe he's married and was married at the time and it would break up his family....but even if that were the case....the father would know that he should come forward and just fess up to the wife....

Everything about Casey's life is a lie and has been a lie for so long....a puzzle for sure (5000 piecer)

*Bolding mine

Well, let's picture a party, lots of people, some good friends, some friends of friends.......... as the night wears on and the smoke gets thicker and the beer flows faster and it gets warm in the room and people pair off and slip over to darker corners and maybe they aren't all that sober ............. and the next morning they look around and wonder what they did and who they did it with............?

Just a thought.

[AMS]

Taxpayers pay lawyer of worker who found Caylee's remains
Susan Jacobson | Sentinel Staff Writer
February 5, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-kronk0509feb05,0,6026009.story

Orange County has set the price of sudden fame: $10,000.
That's the maximum the county will spend on a lawyer to represent former meter reader Roy Kronk, who in December found the remains of slain toddler Caylee Marie Anthony in woods near her east Orange County home. More in link...

[IM4Truth]

I believe there was an article posted on these boards (sorry if it was not confirmed, just my recollection from reading here) as to another reason why an officer investigating a call by RK the meter reader, had his gun taken and placed into a supply room.

My apologies if that was false info that was posted here.

*Adding* but of course you have to admit that if such behavior occurred on the job, it wouldn't be "Serving and Protecting"

Possibility, I don't always get time to check out all posts and rely mostly on the newspaper links. But depending on my time, I miss some of those too.

[i_pickle]

I guess it wouldn't be protected under the Hippa law?Not sure. My only experience with HIPAA came about when my husband became ill and I got medical PA.

Here's a link to FL's HIPAA Law.

http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/hipaa/

I do understand your point in regard to paternity, I just don't know enough about it to give an intelligent answer.

[Barbara fl.]

*Bolding mine

Well, let's picture a party, lots of people, some good friends, some friends of friends.......... as the night wears on and the smoke gets thicker and the beer flows faster and it gets warm in the room and people pair off and slip over to darker corners and maybe they aren't all that sober ............. and the next morning they look around and wonder what they did and who they did it with............?

Just a thought.



yep......it also sounds familiar (younger days of course) :biggrin:

[Narcissist71]

ITA. The defense is going to set Jesse Grund up to creat enough reasonable that the jury will not be able to her guilty. I'm not sure Baez and the "dream team" are that legally savvy. JMO.

I don't see it....

They may try, but unless they have more on this guy.....it just seems unlikely.

If his fingerprints are on the duct tape, or possibility that he is the father (and can prove it) then yeah they might go that route....

I just don't see it.

[IM4Truth]

I guess it wouldn't be protected under the Hippa law?

Hmm, I just took my online HIPAA training this week, I should have paid more attention instead of just clicking on the buttons and luckily got 100% on the test. Just like school, I retain what I needed until the test was over and POOF, it all disappeared!

[IM4Truth]

Very true, Truth. Sorry, I've been dying to say that :rolleyes:.

So why didn't you say it?

[PuffDragon]

OMG, then JB would be all over that and then another innocent family's life would be drawn through the mud aside hundreds of others who ever came in contact with Casey.

JB sadly is all over everything that pops up, relevant, not relevant, plausible, impossible, as long as he can grab onto it it's fodder for his mill. I suppose he has to do what he can but does what happens to innocent people who are only peripherally involved ever bother him?

[IM4Truth]

Hi there,

Technically, all topics on message boards are "no ones business", so why bother say "this isn't anyone's business" about certain topics? Message boards should really be called opinion boards, because that is what we do - give our opinions on various topics. Everyone has the right to their own opinions. IMO

anyway, the thing about the bio father of Caylee that interests me is that if it is found out that the father is alive ( irregardless of his interest or not) then that goes to show the long pattern of lying in the anthony family. IMO


take care,

dolphinmom

In regard to my bolding in your post, heaven forbid that another entire cast be added to this case! If he is alive and they can prove he is someone that is already not connected, then another entire family goes down. Sad.

[i_pickle]

I agree with you pickle...

people keep saying that the father never came forward and never wanted to be part of caylees life.... uhhh how do we know that?

Casey lies about everything! but now people are suddenly believing her???

For all we know the father may not know that he had a daughter!

Maybe this was another one of Caseys cruel games!

I've never seen such a dysfunctional family!

Everything has to be kept secret!... Casey can't tell where Caylee is because shes being forced to keep that information secret! George can't tell us who has Caylee and moved her 9 times because it's a secret!, George can't tell us WHO is watching the people who are moving Caylee from house to house because it's a SECRET! blah blah blah!
The best thing that could happed to this family would be to GET RID OF ALL THE SECRETS and BE NORMAL!

:rolleyes:LOL, I had to laugh at your last sentence. :laugh:

I forgot about some of the whoppers ol' George told in the beginning.

Imo, they bring ALL of the speculation, attention and distrust on themselves with their constant lies and attempted manipulations.

[IM4Truth]

Yes I have noticed her demeanor has changed alot lately....for the better :thumbup:

Maybe producers have had more time to read our blogs!

[Regina.Lampert]

And I hope they are going to pay in hell for that!

It is just wrong to do that.

Hiya Des, it truly is and that is one of the things I have against cynthia anthony. She is going right along with this lie, pointing fingers at Jesse, Ricardo and Amy even after Melich and Allen telling her these kids are innocent in this. Absolutely appalling behavior and all in an effort to help get her daughter, the murderer, beat this murder rap. imo.

[Narcissist71]

Hi there,

Technically, all topics on message boards are "no ones business", so why bother say "this isn't anyone's business" about certain topics? Message boards should really be called opinion boards, because that is what we do - give our opinions on various topics. Everyone has the right to their own opinions. IMO

anyway, the thing about the bio father of Caylee that interests me is that if it is found out that the father is alive ( irregardless of his interest or not) then that goes to show the long pattern of lying in the anthony family. IMO


take care,

dolphinmom

So it's black and white to you? Do you believe in the study of psychology? If so, you know that all people lie fairly regularly. I think it depends on the lie though (and no I'm not condoning it)....as with this case......whether it's a lie or not, the fact that Caylee wasn't reported missing from day number 1.

[IM4Truth]

ITA. The defense is going to set Jesse Grund up to create enough reasonable doubt that the jury will not be able to find her guilty. I'm not sure Baez and the "dream team" are that legally savvy. JMO.

Depends on any fingerprints that might be found in/on the bag and duct tape.

[IM4Truth]

*Bolding mine

Well, let's picture a party, lots of people, some good friends, some friends of friends.......... as the night wears on and the smoke gets thicker and the beer flows faster and it gets warm in the room and people pair off and slip over to darker corners and maybe they aren't all that sober ............. and the next morning they look around and wonder what they did and who they did it with............?

Just a thought.

Worse yet, "who is that laying next to me and why are be both naked?"

[Barbara fl.]

i wondered if anyone else noticed it,,,,,thanks; thought it might just be me...


I hope were not talking too soon.....:laugh:

[PuffDragon]

I thought it was Casey's job to dig up those root things in the back yard so Caylee doesn't step on them......Isn't that cindy's excuse of why Casey borrowed the neighbors shovel??

MOO

Nobody ever said it was Casey's job. Wonder what ever made Cindy give that as an excuse when she heard about the shovel borrowing? I mean, why would that pop right into her mind first thing??? It just seems like such an unreasonable answer, considering that it doesn't seem that Casey ever did any yard work, and this was right at the beginning of the case, before Cindy had really gotten her brain fired up to spew lies right and left. Why 'digging up those pesky bamboo roots' for pete's sake???

[Regina.Lampert]

ITA. The defense is going to set Jesse Grund up to create enough reasonable doubt that the jury will not be able to find her guilty. I'm not sure Baez and the "dream team" are that legally savvy. JMO.

Hiya Pom, so nice to see you back posting. :seeya:

Jesse Grund has my complete sympathy being sucked into this nightmare. Him of all people truly loved Caylee and I think he was devastated to learn he was not the father. I'm glad he has the family he does and that he retained an attorney, very early in this case.

[IM4Truth]

So it's black and white to you? Do you believe in the study of psychology? If so, you know that all people lie fairly regularly. I think it depends on the lie though (and no I'm not condoning it)....as with this case......whether it's a lie or not, the fact that Caylee wasn't reported missing from day number 1.

No, I have never studied psychology but I do not believe that all people lie fairly regularly as bolded by me in your quote.

[Narcissist71]

*Bolding mine

Well, let's picture a party, lots of people, some good friends, some friends of friends.......... as the night wears on and the smoke gets thicker and the beer flows faster and it gets warm in the room and people pair off and slip over to darker corners and maybe they aren't all that sober ............. and the next morning they look around and wonder what they did and who they did it with............?

Just a thought.

I know Barbara from Florida asked.....

but would anyone want to come forward at this point.......if you had been with Casey and there was the possibility, and you weren't told (oh god if you really knew that you were the father), and Caylee is deceased.......

Would it be worth it to come forward? Besides the defense putting you under a microscope, you'd have the media putting you under a microscope. Probably have people saying you were scum, because you didn't step up, (especially if you knew) to support your own flesh and blood.....*Adding* Probably be accused of coming forward just for the money. *end of Add*

Sorry I'm just wondering......look at how people said the Meter Reader was attacked (Big Period).

[IM4Truth]

Nobody ever said it was Casey's job. Wonder what ever made Cindy give that as an excuse when she heard about the shovel borrowing? I mean, why would that pop right into her mind first thing??? It just seems like such an unreasonable answer, considering that it doesn't seem that Casey ever did any yard work, and this was right at the beginning of the case, before Cindy had really gotten her brain fired up to spew lies right and left. Why 'digging up those pesky bamboo roots' for pete's sake???

Probably because Cindy does a lot of the yard work and she is the one who digs up the bamboo shoots, so she just jumped right in to protect Casey by saying it was her? I don't know but I have to get off here soon and do some real work!

[Barbara fl.]

Nobody ever said it was Casey's job. Wonder what ever made Cindy give that as an excuse when she heard about the shovel borrowing? I mean, why would that pop right into her mind first thing??? It just seems like such an unreasonable answer, considering that it doesn't seem that Casey ever did any yard work, and this was right at the beginning of the case, before Cindy had really gotten her brain fired up to spew lies right and left. Why 'digging up those pesky bamboo roots' for pete's sake???


Your right.....Cindy was creating lies from the very beginning....The family had to have known that Caylee had met with something horrific and by the hands of their daughter.....no doubt in my mind.....

[i_pickle]

i wondered if anyone else noticed it,,,,,thanks; thought it might just be me...I noticed that too. I stopped watching her for awhile because I found myself getting angry at HER more than focusing on the content of the show.

But reading here, I found I was missing too much so I started watching her again.

I did take note of the apologies the last couple nights and I also wonder if her and LP are much better friends than they appear to be on air.

Imo, they like to feed off each other.

[Stella Rose]

Casey doesn't know what a SHOVEL is?!!!???!?

wth! GMAB!!...how can she not know what a shovel is????

all i can say is.... don't let her use your bathroom because she probably doesn't know the difference between toilet paper and a shower curtain either! :scared:

Kit - I was puzzled by this too, but someone brought up there was a movie titled "Shovel" and that may have been what the search was for.

I mean, we know Casey is not the brightes bulb, but to google 'shovel'...

[AMS]

ITA. The defense is going to set Jesse Grund up to create enough reasonable doubt that the jury will not be able to find her guilty. I'm not sure Baez and the "dream team" are that legally savvy. JMO.

I think the defense will try to set up Jesse. I wouldn't be surprised if their need to go back to the crime scene was tied into this. Look what we found!!!!!!

Can't figure out what they would use as a motive. It is quite obvious Jesse loved Caylee.

IMO.

[Barbara fl.]

I know Barbara from Florida asked.....

but would anyone want to come forward at this point.......if you had been with Casey and there was the possibility, and you weren't told (oh god if you really knew that you were the father), and Caylee is deceased.......

Would it be worth it to come forward? Besides the defense putting you under a microscope, you'd have the media putting you under a microscope. Probably have people saying you were scum, because you didn't step up, (especially if you knew) to support your own flesh and blood.....*Adding* Probably be accused of coming forward just for the money. *end of Add*

Sorry I'm just wondering......look at how people said the Meter Reader was attacked (Big Period).


On second thought...you're right......(they probably would leave the country, if they were smart)

[PuffDragon]

Would the checking everyone include Jose himself??

some still believe that Casey knew him before this.......

just a thought........

Hmmmmmmmmm........:huh:

[Narcissist71]

No, I have never studied psychology but I do not believe that all people lie fairly regularly as bolded by me in your quote.

Well I can find more if you like......

here is a link to a study I believe that compares face to face, e-mail and IMs.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99576&ad=true%20-

[n/t]

Kit - I was puzzled by this too, but someone brought up there was a movie titled "Shovel" and that may have been what the search was for.

I mean, we know Casey is not the brightes bulb, but to google 'shovel'...

hmmmm....interesting. I didn't know it could possibly be a movie she could've googled.

THE SHOVEL

It is late at night when Paul is drawn from his porch by a strange noise coming from Hank's house. The noise is Hank digging a hole in the dusty dirt at the foot of his yard however the only issue Paul has is that he is using Paul's shovel to do it – one that he lent to him months before but never got back. Hank is annoyed by this comment and makes a big deal of returning it that very night. The next day Paul wakes to find that his shovel has indeed been returned to his porch but then starts to worry about the nature of the hole.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0782866/

[Narcissist71]

On second thought...you're right......(they probably would leave the country, if they were smart)

I might not be right.....(and I might leave the country) LOL

I was just throwing it out there......as a thought, like there would be much to weigh and think about to come forward now......

whether some might say it was the "right" thing to do.

[PuffDragon]

I'm happy he amuses you...But he makes me sick (hey what happened to our boffing smiley?) Oh well....:drool::biggrin:

:punch: This one?

Different senses of humor make the world go round. I myself have no use for The Three Stooges or Lucy. Lenny is a character and as long as I don't try to analyze him he's amusing.

[CelticDawn]

Yes I have noticed her demeanor has changed alot lately....for the better :thumbup:

Lord knows I LOVE AND RESPECT her....but GOD!!! sometimes she needs to shut up and let them give their opinions.....

Believe me some of the opposing opinions carry some bearing on the case....and the prosecution clearly knowing where some of these whackanoodles are coming from would be a great asset to their case....and Nancy could play off them and ask some of the real questions.....just for their reaction...

[BJames]

i wondered if anyone else noticed it,,,,,thanks; thought it might just be me...

No..it's not just you :)
I don't watch NG on a regular basis but I caught about 20 minutes of her last night..! I thought she sounded down right nice to Natisha Lance (sp?)...and I have heard her be quite 'tight' when speaking to that lady in the past.
Maybe she's drinking some happy water?...:rolleyes:

Just my opinion of course...

[i_pickle]

Hi there,

Technically, all topics on message boards are "no ones business", so why bother say "this isn't anyone's business" about certain topics? Message boards should really be called opinion boards, because that is what we do - give our opinions on various topics. Everyone has the right to their own opinions. IMO

anyway, the thing about the bio father of Caylee that interests me is that if it is found out that the father is alive ( irregardless of his interest or not) then that goes to show the long pattern of lying in the anthony family. IMO


take care,

dolphinmomHi back,

I couldn't agree with you more on everything you said!

[trich]

Hi there,

Technically, all topics on message boards are "no ones business", so why bother say "this isn't anyone's business" about certain topics? Message boards should really be called opinion boards, because that is what we do - give our opinions on various topics. Everyone has the right to their own opinions. IMO

anyway, the thing about the bio father of Caylee that interests me is that if it is found out that the father is alive ( irregardless of his interest or not) then that goes to show the long pattern of lying in the anthony family. IMO


take care,

dolphinmom

Yes just more proof of how most everything this family says is made up of lies and deceit.
I am not even sure these people even remember all the lies they have told.....but since most have been recorded in some form or another they are on record.
So even if they do not want to admit their falsehoods the whole world knows.
These lies are not just...oops I am sorry I forgot and then correct themselves......they are down right falsehoods that they refuse to admit they made up.

[PuffDragon]

Thanks for the explanation. I've never seen a case like this, in my state or any other. Huge amounts of info to wade thru (if interested) before it even comes to trial.

I'm sure the SL comes into play as does the fact that, due to technology, we live in the so-called information age.

At least with all the information that has become available due to the SL we can verify the board rumors and argue the ideas with actual facts. Otherwise we wouldn't know what to hang a theory on.

[margaritaville]

I agree with you pickle...

people keep saying that the father never came forward and never wanted to be part of caylees life.... uhhh how do we know that?

Casey lies about everything! but now people are suddenly believing her???

For all we know the father may not know that he had a daughter!
Maybe this was another one of Caseys cruel games!

I've never seen such a dysfunctional family!

Everything has to be kept secret!... Casey can't tell where Caylee is because shes being forced to keep that information secret! George can't tell us who has Caylee and moved her 9 times because it's a secret!, George can't tell us WHO is watching the people who are moving Caylee from house to house because it's a SECRET! blah blah blah!
The best thing that could happed to this family would be to GET RID OF ALL THE SECRETS and BE NORMAL!

:rolleyes:


He may not know he is the Father but wouldn't he know he had sex with Casey about 9 months prior to Caylee's b-day?

[Narcissist71]

At least with all the information that has become available due to the SL we can verify the board rumors and argue the ideas with actual facts. Otherwise we wouldn't know what to hang a theory on.

Oh, I think this board would be so crazy if we didn't at least have some "real" documents.....

if this was a case with just "leaks"......I think it would 1000 times worse as far as the arguments. It's still a bit crazy, but I can't imagine.

[i_pickle]

Yes just more proof of how most everything this family says is made up of lies and deceit.
I am not even sure these people even remember all the lies they have told.....but since most have been recorded in some form or another they are on record.
So even if they do not want to admit their falsehoods the whole world knows.
These lies are not just...oops I am sorry I forgot and then correct themselves......they are down right falsehoods that they refuse to admit they made up.Cindy, George and Casey are compulsive liars. MO and MOO

[PuffDragon]

I agree with you pickle...

people keep saying that the father never came forward and never wanted to be part of caylees life.... uhhh how do we know that?

Casey lies about everything! but now people are suddenly believing her???

For all we know the father may not know that he had a daughter!

Maybe this was another one of Caseys cruel games!

I've never seen such a dysfunctional family!

Everything has to be kept secret!... Casey can't tell where Caylee is because shes being forced to keep that information secret! George can't tell us who has Caylee and moved her 9 times because it's a secret!, George can't tell us WHO is watching the people who are moving Caylee from house to house because it's a SECRET! blah blah blah!
The best thing that could happed to this family would be to GET RID OF ALL THE SECRETS and BE NORMAL!

:rolleyes:

Amen!..........

[bchand]

I agree with you pickle...

people keep saying that the father never came forward and never wanted to be part of caylees life.... uhhh how do we know that?

Casey lies about everything! but now people are suddenly believing her???

For all we know the father may not know that he had a daughter!

Maybe this was another one of Caseys cruel games!

I've never seen such a dysfunctional family!

Everything has to be kept secret!... Casey can't tell where Caylee is because shes being forced to keep that information secret! George can't tell us who has Caylee and moved her 9 times because it's a secret!, George can't tell us WHO is watching the people who are moving Caylee from house to house because it's a SECRET! blah blah blah!
The best thing that could happed to this family would be to GET RID OF ALL THE SECRETS and BE NORMAL!

:rolleyes:


Add to that Jose says Casey is INNOCENT but he has to keep the proof secret until trial.

[trich]

He may not know he is the Father but wouldn't he know he had sex with Casey about 9 months prior to Caylee's b-day?



Not if he was just passing through Florida on his way to who knows where.
He might not even know or remember the "girl" he had sex with at any given time at any given place.
:shrug:

[PuffDragon]

Hi there,

Technically, all topics on message boards are "no ones business", so why bother say "this isn't anyone's business" about certain topics? Message boards should really be called opinion boards, because that is what we do - give our opinions on various topics. Everyone has the right to their own opinions. IMO

anyway, the thing about the bio father of Caylee that interests me is that if it is found out that the father is alive ( irregardless of his interest or not) then that goes to show the long pattern of lying in the anthony family. IMO


take care,

dolphinmom

*Bolding mine

Not necessarily, it goes to indicate that Casey is a liar, but for the Anthonys it only shows that they tend to believe whatever Casey tells them.

[dohinmom]

So it's black and white to you? Do you believe in the study of psychology? If so, you know that all people lie fairly regularly. I think it depends on the lie though (and no I'm not condoning it)....as with this case......whether it's a lie or not, the fact that Caylee wasn't reported missing from day number 1.

Hi there,

I definately believe in the study of psychology, and I am not sure what you mean by it being black and white to me. Anyway, I only meant that it adds to the pattern of lying in the anthony family prior to Caylee going missing in mid-june. IMO

dolphinmom

[trich]

Add to that Jose says Casey is INNOCENT but he has to keep the proof secret until trial.

Yeah! and how many times have we heard that from defense attorneys before trial?
If they really had proof of innocence you would think they would get their heads together with the Prosecutors and ask them to take a look at their proof.
But they decide to keep it all secret and let their client stay in jail.
Give me a break.

[Narcissist71]

*Bolding mine

Not necessarily, it goes to indicate that Casey is a liar, but for the Anthonys it only shows that they tend to believe whatever Casey tells them.

Very good point.

[PuffDragon]

yep......it also sounds familiar (younger days of course) :biggrin:

Ummmm, I only know about those things from the movies......:blushing:

[margaritaville]

Hiya Pom, so nice to see you back posting. :seeya:

Jesse Grund has my complete sympathy being sucked into this nightmare. Him of all people truly loved Caylee and I think he was devastated to learn he was not the father. I'm glad he has the family he does and that he retained an attorney, very early in this case.

I think that is why he was sucked into this nighmare that Casey produced...Because he loved Caylee........And because he may have loved Caylee more then Casey and this is Casey's revenge.......moo

[i_pickle]

Add to that Jose says Casey is INNOCENT but he has to keep the proof secret until trial.LOL :laugh:

What a strange cast of characters.

[PuffDragon]

I don't see it....

They may try, but unless they have more on this guy.....it just seems unlikely.

If his fingerprints are on the duct tape, or possibility that he is the father (and can prove it) then yeah they might go that route....

I just don't see it.

I don't see it working either, Nar. Here on one side is Casey faced with everything that could possibly point to her, and Jesse on the other side with so far nothing to indicate he had any part of this (and in fact evidence to show how much he and his family loved Caylee), I'd say the scales are heavier on Casey's side.

[i_pickle]

Yeah! and how many times have we heard that from defense attorneys before trial?
If they really had proof of innocence you would think they would get their heads together with the Prosecutors and ask them to take a look at their proof.
But they decide to keep it all secret and let their client stay in jail.
Give me a break.Most defense atty's say their client is not guilty. Very few, if any, claim innocence for obvious reasons.

Baez is in a class by himself, for a lot of reasons, imo.

[Stella Rose]

thanks Stella... at least that would make sense!

that's probably it because good grief... you'd have to be living under a rock your entire life to not know what a shovel is! :lol:

You are welcome Kit. I figure she knows what one is, but I highly doubt she ever picked one up before this. She doesn't strike me as the type to do anything - let alone a task as difficult as digging up bamboo shoots in Florida.

I live in Ohio and have bamboo that doesn't like to grow here - and I tell you, digging that stuff up is a nightmare. I can't imagine how bad it is in a climate where it thrives.

[PuffDragon]

So why didn't you say it?

I had to wait until there was a context where it worked.

[BJames]

He may not know he is the Father but wouldn't he know he had sex with Casey about 9 months prior to Caylee's b-day?

That is what gets me...on that front as well as Casey's 'stories'.
Jesse said he thought Casey was pregnant before they hooked up, thus the DNA test.
Now if she was pregnant when they hooked up...all she would have to do was look back within a month of whom she slept with before her and Jesse got together. I would hate to think there are 28 other guys...my guess is either he told her straight out to hit the road...or it was someone she didn't want known.
If I am Jose I am asking my client for a name...especially if she claims Caylee's father is deceased. That would be a totally easy one to prove/disprove...either he is dead or he isn't. I am also gessing that Jose is not getting the answers he wants from Casey...all she has to do is give him a name, if he is deceased that is the end of it all.
Even when backed into a corner this gal can not tell the truth...or Baez wouldn't have to ask for anyone else's results.
It would appear 'His girl' is walking him around the block by the ear as well...but why would he be any different?
Even accusations Casey has made to others about her own brother has lead to his DNA being compared to Caylee's....what a tangled web she weaves..

Just my opinion of course...

[?noanswer]

I know Morgan said that, but he also wants to know how Casey made a connection to Sawgrass Apts, knew about the silver car this real ZG drove, even mentioned NY tags on the car (that I just first heard about on NG the other night), etc. I don't see where Morgan needs to ask those questions like "Do you know who killed Casey?". He just needs enough to clear this ZG.


I think he threw that into there for aggravation. He knew she could not answer that question, but since she filed a counter suit, she cannot take the 5th (she will), but it will have to go back to a Judge. I think some of these lawyers just like attention. JMO

[Stella Rose]

LOL :laugh:

What a strange cast of characters.

I have always said that if this were a movie or TV show - it would be so unbelievable that no one would watch it. Truth really is stranger than fiction in this case. This has to be the craziest case I have ever followed or read about.

[Narcissist71]

Hi there,

I definately believe in the study of psychology, and I am not sure what you mean by it being black and white to me. Anyway, I only meant that it adds to the pattern of lying in the anthony family prior to Caylee going missing in mid-june. IMO

dolphinmom

Okay, I see that point.....but I don't think that a lie about a one night stand would be unusual.......

I see people lie everyday on Maury LOL Not that I watch him everyday, but when I do, it seems that is all he shows anymore.

I question the father dying in a car accident.....and he was some kind of professional "racer" of some sort IIRC.

I wouldn't say that because she lied about that particular thing shows a pattern......

I think the lie about working at Universal and then taking LE to Universal is the evidence to show that Casey was shameless with her lies.

[PuffDragon]

So it's black and white to you? Do you believe in the study of psychology? If so, you know that all people lie fairly regularly. I think it depends on the lie though (and no I'm not condoning it)....as with this case......whether it's a lie or not, the fact that Caylee wasn't reported missing from day number 1.

Is that really true, Nar, that all people lie fairly regularly?

I was just trying to think back on the last time I lied and I couldn't come up with anything. Really. I'm lazy and it's way too much work. But that's just me. Which probably explains why people never ask me if I like their new hat.............:rolleyes:

[Regina.Lampert]

IIRC, casey anthony was in touch with Marc Hawkins around the time Caylee went missing and told him there was something she had to tell him and that he would be surprised. Had all of us thinking that he could be the father. LE did fly out to California and take his statement and they also have all his communications with her.

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody. I'm going to go and read to catch up and see if I've missed anything.

I don't remember seeing too much except for the Todd Black aliases on NG last night.

:ohmy:

[PuffDragon]

Worse yet, "who is that laying next to me and why are be both naked?"

Urgh. I suppose that would work in my scenario as long as they both scuttled away from each other without introductions.

[bchand]

Okay, I see that point.....but I don't think that a lie about a one night stand would be unusual.......

<<snipped>>


I think the lie about working at Universal and then taking LE to Universal is the evidence to show that Casey was shameless with her lies.


It's just curious that Jose would think this girl is capable of telling the truth to HIM. Do you think he believes anything she says? He'd have to be pretty gullible to think he is that special.

[i_pickle]

I have always said that if this were a movie or TV show - it would be so unbelievable that no one would watch it. Truth really is stranger than fiction in this case. This has to be the craziest case I have ever followed or read about.I completely agree, Stella Rose. Movies are generally pretty predictable. The ones with surprise endings tend to be very popular.

That's probably why there is so much interest in this case. Some of the things that happen are beyond even the wildest imagination.

[kOOkie1]

It's JMO but i don't think we can discount the paternity and say it's not pertinent to this case until they find out who it is.

With this case anything is possible... good grief it could be KRONK for all we know!

I mean if people can speculate that it could be Baez... then Kronk is only 2 more beers away. :laugh:

I say if Casey could put a heart sticker on duct tape on Caylee's mouth..yes anything is possible:crying:

[Narcissist71]

Not if he was just passing through Florida on his way to who knows where.
He might not even know or remember the "girl" he had sex with at any given time at any given place.
:shrug:

Sad commentary on society today.....but it could happen. She does look a bit different from picture to picture......

at least to me....

so who knows what she looked like almost 4 years ago.......add alcohol and/or whatever....

and as you said if the person was from out of town......and she was just another notch on his belt so to speak.

*Adding* plus he may not follow the news, so might not have a clue *End of Add*

[openminded]

good morning from a very cold Mississippi Gulf Coast!

I missed most of yesterday's post but I assume nothing majored happened

doc dump yet?

No doc dump. From Nancy Grace's producer it sounds like it will be next week (if her information can be trusted).

O/T Bundle up!! I grew up there (although it's been a lifetime since I lived there) and still remember the shock of a very cold morning since they weren't that common when I lived there.

[Pat]

To your * remark......the reason might be that LE is investigating the case, and there was the accusation according to people that knew Casey that she claimed her brother had inappropriate contact with her.

So again, part of a good investigation to check such info to confirm or deny it.

I'm behind this morning but wanted to add...

If Casey has lied about this, as she has lied about so many things, what must Lee and the A's think about Casey making such horrible accusations about her brother?

I have two children, boy and girl (well...man and woman now) and if one did this to the other, my fury would know no bounds. Especially if the accused was burdened with trying to prove it was a lie. How do you even do that? The stain of the accusation is there forever. How in the world can the A's justify this?

But then...we are talking about Casey. I also wonder if when you have the family dynamics such as the A's, if the lies, deceit and manipulation on Casey's part just became another day in the life of the A's. We are shocked, but the impact wouldn't be there for them because they expect her to do it. It is part of who she is.

MO

[BJames]

It's just curious that Jose would think this girl is capable of telling the truth to HIM. Do you think he believes anything she says? He'd have to be pretty gullible to think he is that special.

I think at the beginning that Jose probably believed some (if not much) of what Casey told him, but I have to believe that these days he doesn't...she has been proven to lie about too many things for him to ignore it.
I also think that is where we have Jose asking for so many things from LE...their 'testing' and what not...if I were him I would have to double check everything that girl says to him...and that takes time.
How does an attorney 'deal' with a lying client? I'm not sure..but I'm guessing he takes it all with a grain of salt...or he's going to look like a total fool...or more of one if that can happen.

I think Lenny was in the same position when he bonded Casey out the first time, he thought that she would indeed talk to him and be honest...and he could find Caylee.
She never gave him even an ounce of honestly...I don't think that it's 'personal' at all..she just doesn't tell the truth.

Just my opinion of course...

[Narcissist71]

Is that really true, Nar, that all people lie fairly regularly?

I was just trying to think back on the last time I lied and I couldn't come up with anything. Really. I'm lazy and it's way too much work. But that's just me. Which probably explains why people never ask me if I like their new hat.............:rolleyes:

Do you like my smile? :D

[happygert]

I have always said that if this were a movie or TV show - it would be so unbelievable that no one would watch it. Truth really is stranger than fiction in this case. This has to be the craziest case I have ever followed or read about.

It would have a be a continually running mini series..well ok medium series no mini here..at least 30 2 hour movies......lol....

[TisMeAgain]

It's just curious that Jose would think this girl is capable of telling the truth to HIM. Do you think he believes anything she says? He'd have to be pretty gullible to think he is that special.

I think he see's her as his winning lottery ticket, IMO he treats her with kid gloves just as her parents have done. It is just CRAZY! IMO she is going to turn on him so fast when she is found guilty.

[i_pickle]

It's JMO but i don't think we can discount the paternity and say it's not pertinent to this case until they find out who it is.

With this case anything is possible... good grief it could be KRONK for all we know!

I mean if people can speculate that it could be Baez... then Kronk is only 2 more beers away. :laugh:I agree and I highly doubt that LE thinks, or thought it isn't/wasn't pertinent.

For all we know, they (LE) already know who it is.

I'm curious simply because the A's lied about it repeatedly. As I said, imo, they bring all this on themselves.

[TisMeAgain]

Sad but true

I don't think the father is dead and neither did Susan Moss on NG earlier... I believe she said that there's a better chance of Zanny the Nanny being real than the father being dead.

(I don't agree but it did make the point that a lot of people view the "dad is dead" story with a healthy dose of cynicism)

I'm with you on this, I think he's alive as well.

[Myka]

Yeah me too....and I live even closer to Florida then you do.:biggrin:
By the way where on the Ms coast do you live.
(I know sorry off topic lol)


Hey, Maybe we can drive down there and meet Lenny!! I am in Biloxi, I can just pick you up on the way. Orlando is an 8 hr drive plus cross a time zone lol

I wonder if you call in to NG, if you can ask LP a question, or do you have to direct all of your questions to NG?

[SavannahStar]

I bolded because I didn't make a blanket statement that all paternal grandparents want to know this.

Often "you" is meant in the generic sense. As is "one cannot make a blanket statement....."

[Narcissist71]

It's just curious that Jose would think this girl is capable of telling the truth to HIM. Do you think he believes anything she says? He'd have to be pretty gullible to think he is that special.

I don't necessarily believe that Baez believes anything or everything she says. I think he is going to try (and that is a big word for Baez) to give her the best defense that he can (again best he can).

I haven't seen all the evidence....prosecution hasn't turned over everything yet (please don't bash me).....

but the defense hasn't turned over any discovery at this point (at least to my knowledge).......

So what are they going to present......

It seems like a game or jockeying for position at this point.

[PuffDragon]

exactly...if Casey's fingerprints are on the sticky side of the duct tape, (which i tend to believe they are) then it's a slam dunk....JMO

I agree. And I don't know how there couldn't be fingerprints on the duct tape. How can you handle duct tape without getting your hands all over it?? Wait...
Okay, I just went out to the kitchen to take a look at the duct tape that's holding my freezer door tight (don't ask), and I could clearly see the imprint of many fingers on the sticky side. I couldn't actually see prints with the naked eye (heck, I can hardly see my hand with the naked eye) but if the imprint of my fingers is there I have to believe that LE could raise the ridges and whorls too.

I think last night Nancy, as an aside, said something about wearing gloves. Which is plausible, considering the material that would have been being handled, I would have wanted to have gloves on, too. And probably there were gloves in the Anthony home, lots of people have gloves. What kind? Those heavy Rubbermaid gloves people have under their sinks for cleaning? They are unwieldy, and Cindy surely would have noticed if her cleaning gloves vanished. Surely not outdoor gloves, they wouldn't be any protection. How about regular thin latex gloves? Sure. Cindy was a nurse, she could have had a box of latex gloves in the house. They would be perfect for handling the body, getting it into the bags, disposing of it...........

Which brings me to my point. A latex glove is not going to be pulled off the adhesive on duct tape without tearing. I just tried it (I don't want to hear a single word about OCS), pull your hand away and the glove stretches and snaps, leaving a piece of latex sticking to the tape. I had a really hard time managing the tape with latex gloves on my hands.

So, not necessarily the scientific method, but my test with latex gloves and duct tape wants me to rule it out.

[happy2bme]

I'm behind this morning but wanted to add...

If Casey has lied about this, as she has lied about so many things, what must Lee and the A's think about Casey making such horrible accusations about her brother?

I have two children, boy and girl (well...man and woman now) and if one did this to the other, my fury would know no bounds. Especially if the accused was burdened with trying to prove it was a lie. How do you even do that? The stain of the accusation is there forever. How in the world can the A's justify this?

But then...we are talking about Casey. I also wonder if when you have the family dynamics such as the A's, if the lies, deceit and manipulation on Casey's part just became another day in the life of the A's. We are shocked, but the impact wouldn't be there for them because they expect her to do it. It is part of who she is.

MO

They probably don't believe Casey said it ....considering who told it. The A's are not big fans of AL & JG. jmo

[happy2bme]

Good morning to all- freezing in central florida as well-

Am I understanding correctly that George is back at the A home with Cindy?

I believe so.



my mom is in Jacksonville and said the temp was 19.

[PuffDragon]

Probably because Cindy does a lot of the yard work and she is the one who digs up the bamboo shoots, so she just jumped right in to protect Casey by saying it was her? I don't know but I have to get off here soon and do some real work!

I thought it was George who did the yard work? He was home during the day more than Cindy was.

[Myka]

No doc dump. From Nancy Grace's producer it sounds like it will be next week (if her information can be trusted).

O/T Bundle up!! I grew up there (although it's been a lifetime since I lived there) and still remember the shock of a very cold morning since they weren't that common when I lived there.


thanks! so new doc dump next week, woo hoo, now I have something to look forward to

[Narcissist71]

That is what gets me...on that front as well as Casey's 'stories'.
Jesse said he thought Casey was pregnant before they hooked up, thus the DNA test.
Now if she was pregnant when they hooked up...all she would have to do was look back within a month of whom she slept with before her and Jesse got together. I would hate to think there are 28 other guys...my guess is either he told her straight out to hit the road...or it was someone she didn't want known.
If I am Jose I am asking my client for a name...especially if she claims Caylee's father is deceased. That would be a totally easy one to prove/disprove...either he is dead or he isn't. I am also gessing that Jose is not getting the answers he wants from Casey...all she has to do is give him a name, if he is deceased that is the end of it all.
Even when backed into a corner this gal can not tell the truth...or Baez wouldn't have to ask for anyone else's results.
It would appear 'His girl' is walking him around the block by the ear as well...but why would he be any different?
Even accusations Casey has made to others about her own brother has lead to his DNA being compared to Caylee's....what a tangled web she weaves..

Just my opinion of course...

Wonder if Jesse hooked up with her because he thought or knew she was pregnant before they hooked up? Maybe he knows who the father is?

*Adding* just a question....not accusing anyone *End of add*

[johnielee333]

Paternity does seem to be a big secret with the family. I am not sure if is because the family nor Casey know who the father is or if it is one of those skeleton in the closet things. IMO, it is because Casey does not have any idea and could not bring herself to tell her mother she may have to go on Jerry Springer to find out.

Would it be released? Good question. I do not feel it has any bearing on the investigation, but I am sure JB feels otherwise. Casey's lies have caused problems for so many, the Daddy will probably be made public eventually. I just hope the man knows before it hits the press.

We have not seen Annie's interview or the 2 women Matt Crisp mentioned in his interview, Katie Robinson and Victoria Aleman. You can find Matt's interview at http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Matthew%20Crisp%20Transcript.pdf Has JB even requested these interviews?

jmo

IMO its one of those skeleton in the closet things. Dirty family secret.
JMO

[happy2bme]

Wonder if Jesse hooked up with her because he thought or knew she was pregnant before they hooked up? Maybe he knows who the father is?


Don't you think he would have told by now if he actually knew?

[PuffDragon]

<snipped to address>

If she was my grandchild i would want to know!

JMO

At this point I'd rather be left in ignorance. And given the way the shots are being fired randomly over the bow, I wouldn't be sticking my head up to look, either.

[Kokopelli]

It's JMO but i don't think we can discount the paternity and say it's not pertinent to this case until they find out who it is.

With this case anything is possible... good grief it could be KRONK for all we know!

I mean if people can speculate that it could be Baez... then Kronk is only 2 more beers away. :laugh:
:laugh:KitnCaboodle lol....after months of hiding behind threads and messages your comment brought me out....Kronk lol...2 beers! lol...but I can imagine a sociopath (much like Casey herself) lying about his name, where he lives, works etc..just to get "some"....then traveling off to his other life (wife?) and not worrying in the least if he made a child! No way he would tell and no way she was able to trace him....but two beers? lol How about a Keg?

[happy2bme]

IMO its one of those skeleton in the closet things. Dirty family secret.
JMO


Have we seen JP Chatts interview?

[happy2bme]

:laugh:KitnCaboodle lol....after months of hiding behind threads and messages your comment brought me out....Kronk lol...2 beers! lol...but I can imagine a sociopath (much like Casey herself) lying about his name, where he lives, works etc..just to get "some"....then traveling off to his other life (wife?) and not worrying in the least if he made a child! No way he would tell and no way she was able to trace him....but two beers? lol How about a Keg?

Welcome Kokopelli! Glad you stopped hiding and joined us!:smile:

[PuffDragon]

Well I can find more if you like......

here is a link to a study I believe that compares face to face, e-mail and IMs.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99576&ad=true%20-

Interesting. I guess I just don't find myself in situations where I need to lie.

[Myka]

I don't necessarily believe that Baez believes anything or everything she says. I think he is going to try (and that is a big word for Baez) to give her the best defense that he can (again best he can).

I haven't seen all the evidence....prosecution hasn't turned over everything yet (please don't bash me).....

but the defense hasn't turned over any discovery at this point (at least to my knowledge).......

So what are they going to present......

It seems like a game or jockeying for position at this point.

ITA, look at how Scott Peterson lied and his lawyer Mark G tried to defend him. Mark G had to of known SP was guilty and I think it's the same thing here. JB knows she is guilty, but at the end of the day, he is just doing his job

[penguinlady]

I have always said that if this were a movie or TV show - it would be so unbelievable that no one would watch it. Truth really is stranger than fiction in this case. This has to be the craziest case I have ever followed or read about.

Sometimes I feel like I am watching LOST! Only without the really good looking guys! :wub:

K

[happy2bme]

ITA- if it was so close that Jesse believed for a period of time that he was the father, then maybe he has an idea as to who came right before him or atleast who she was communicating closely with at this time. JMO

If this is the case, what do you think is keeping him from telling?

[Stella Rose]

I agree. And I don't know how there couldn't be fingerprints on the duct tape. How can you handle duct tape without getting your hands all over it?? Wait...
Okay, I just went out to the kitchen to take a look at the duct tape that's holding my freezer door tight (don't ask), and I could clearly see the imprint of many fingers on the sticky side. I couldn't actually see prints with the naked eye (heck, I can hardly see my hand with the naked eye) but if the imprint of my fingers is there I have to believe that LE could raise the ridges and whorls too.

I think last night Nancy, as an aside, said something about wearing gloves. Which is plausible, considering the material that would have been being handled, I would have wanted to have gloves on, too. And probably there were gloves in the Anthony home, lots of people have gloves. What kind? Those heavy Rubbermaid gloves people have under their sinks for cleaning? They are unwieldy, and Cindy surely would have noticed if her cleaning gloves vanished. Surely not outdoor gloves, they wouldn't be any protection. How about regular thin latex gloves? Sure. Cindy was a nurse, she could have had a box of latex gloves in the house. They would be perfect for handling the body, getting it into the bags, disposing of it...........

Which brings me to my point. A latex glove is not going to be pulled off the adhesive on duct tape without tearing. I just tried it (I don't want to hear a single word about OCS), pull your hand away and the glove stretches and snaps, leaving a piece of latex sticking to the tape. I had a really hard time managing the tape with latex gloves on my hands.

So, not necessarily the scientific method, but my test with latex gloves and duct tape wants me to rule it out.

Bravo! Way to take one for the team. Excellent experiment Puff!

[Narcissist71]

IIRC, casey anthony was in touch with Marc Hawkins around the time Caylee went missing and told him there was something she had to tell him and that he would be surprised. Had all of us thinking that he could be the father. LE did fly out to California and take his statement and they also have all his communications with her.


I thought the IM's were that Caylee was so big now he would be surprised, and she taught Caylee something or other.....

not sure, and maybe I'm remembering wrong....

I think the surprise part was that Caylee was missing, and Casey went on about how he needed to get his butt back home and see her and Caylee....but we all know that Caylee was missing (and mostly likely deceased) at the time.

[happy2bme]

Sometimes I feel like I am watching LOST! Only without the really good looking guys! :wub:

K

I was thinking the same thing when I read stella's post . LOL:lol:

[BJames]

Awesome experiment PuffDragon!

I have had it in the back of my mind for a bit now to try the gloves that come with home *hair colouring kits...it appears that these ladies may well colour their hair....and of course they come with thin latex gloves.
No way they were used on duct tape right side out, the adhesive on the tape grabs right on and won't let me go...it wouldn't work to 'wrap' it around anything. However...I turned one pair of gloves inside out as it seemed there was a 'light powder' inside against my hands the first time. It was 'easier' to pull off the tape, but after a few times it became tacky again.
So it could be done using these gloves...I'm not saying this is what Casey used. I have a few friends that touch up their hair and use these kits, generally most only use one glove...the hand they are massaging the colour in with. I tend to do the same, and I have the left overs stored in a drawer.
A long shot for sure...but it could have happened.

Just my opinion of course..

**L'Oreal Preference was used during this...

[Mandysmom]

At this time, I do not believe the paternity is an issue in this case. But I do think Cindy's lie about a lawyer drawing up papers to prevent the father from coming into Caylee's life later caused some red flags. Why not tell LE Caylee's father does not want to be a part of her life? Why the lie? jmo

Yeah that does make you wonder. Why lie? She could've just told LE that they didn't really know who the father was.

It's probably the truth. I don't agree with people who think it's okay for a woman to have a child knowing who the father is and just deciding on their own to not tell him he has a child.

I don't think they knew or they would have at least filed for child support. It just makes no sense to me.

[bchand]

ITA- if it was so close that Jesse believed for a period of time that he was the father, then maybe he has an idea as to who came right before him or atleast who she was communicating closely with at this time. JMO

Jesse didn't start dating Casey until the end of January. He met her at Universal in Jan. of 2005. Conception was in Nov or Dec (Caylee was born on Aug 9.)

This is in Jesse's statement to LE.


http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/03%20Jesse%20Grund%20July%2023,%202008(1).pdf


eta: I don't think he would know who she was sleeping with in Nov or Dec.

[desmom]

Have we seen JP Chatts interview?

I do not believe so...Isn't he the one that did not like Casey?

[SavannahStar]

I agree with you pickle...

people keep saying that the father never came forward and never wanted to be part of caylees life.... uhhh how do we know that?

Casey lies about everything! but now people are suddenly believing her???

For all we know the father may not know that he had a daughter!

Maybe this was another one of Caseys cruel games!

I've never seen such a dysfunctional family!

Everything has to be kept secret!... Casey can't tell where Caylee is because shes being forced to keep that information secret! George can't tell us who has Caylee and moved her 9 times because it's a secret!, George can't tell us WHO is watching the people who are moving Caylee from house to house because it's a SECRET! blah blah blah!
The best thing that could happed to this family would be to GET RID OF ALL THE SECRETS and BE NORMAL!

:rolleyes:

*bolding to address*

Well speaking for myself I never said that was a certainty. I said it was quite possible. It happens frequently......young man, not married, wants nothing to do with the responsibilities of being a father......including but not limited to financial support.....etc., etc.

I've seen many MORE people say/imply that Casey didn't know who the father was, OR that the Anthonys purposely kept the father out of Caylee's life.

Either way is possible.

[happy2bme]

I thought the IM's were that Caylee was so big now he would be surprised, and she taught Caylee something or other.....

not sure, and maybe I'm remembering wrong....

I think the surprise part was that Caylee was missing, and Casey went on about how he needed to get his butt back home and see her and Caylee....but we all know that Caylee was missing (and mostly likely deceased) at the time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/19/ng.01.html
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports said investigators want to interview California friends of mom, Casey, one of them Marine Mark Hawkins (ph). He told police Casey Anthony called him in early July to say she was planning a trip to California and needed to tell him something. She told Hawkins her mother and brother know, but she wasn`t sure how he would react.

[Narcissist71]

ITA, look at how Scott Peterson lied and his lawyer Mark G tried to defend him. Mark G had to of known SP was guilty and I think it's the same thing here. JB knows she is guilty, but at the end of the day, he is just doing his job

I can't speak for Mark G......

Many people felt it was obvious that Cynthia Sommer was guilty.......and accused her attorney of the same thing....

Cynthia was convicted, though the evidence didn't support it......thank god there was evidence to be found.....

But I don't want to argue the SP case, and the Cynthia Sommer case with you and how an attorney knows. They are to do a job, and provide their client with the best defense they can without breaking the law.

[happy2bme]

I do not believe so...Isn't he the one that did not like Casey?


Yes..I want to know why he didn't like her.

[nana6]

Hey, Maybe we can drive down there and meet Lenny!! I am in Biloxi, I can just pick you up on the way. Orlando is an 8 hr drive plus cross a time zone lol

I wonder if you call in to NG, if you can ask LP a question, or do you have to direct all of your questions to NG?

I believe if you call and get on her show, you can ask him a question. I went to a all girls school in Biloxi-Gulfport in the 60's Gulf Park By the Sea. Oh God, so long ago!!

[Myka]

:laugh:KitnCaboodle lol....after months of hiding behind threads and messages your comment brought me out....Kronk lol...2 beers! lol...but I can imagine a sociopath (much like Casey herself) lying about his name, where he lives, works etc..just to get "some"....then traveling off to his other life (wife?) and not worrying in the least if he made a child! No way he would tell and no way she was able to trace him....but two beers? lol How about a Keg?

very funny

a few weeks ago, I posted about this same issue. A co-worker came up w/ it, how Kronk hooked up with Casey, he got her prego.....and we know how it ends, it was just a co worker's theory.

Kronk's angle in this whole deal is sort of strange too. I know some ppl say this too, we just can't put our finger on it.

[Neffy]

*bolding to address*

Well speaking for myself I never said that was a certainty. I said it was quite possible. It happens frequently......young man, not married, wants nothing to do with the responsibilities of being a father......including but not limited to financial support.....etc., etc.

I've seen many MORE people say/imply that Casey didn't know who the father was, OR that the Anthonys purposely kept the father out of Caylee's life.

Either way is possible.

Bolding mine.

That has always been your stance.

[Dells]

Good morning -

From the NG transcripts.

PADILLA: No, I`m not going to do that, honest. I don`t -- you know, I like your show. I flew in today from California and there was a lady that flew all the way from California today because she heard the memorial was going to be sometime this week.


Why in the world does Lennie need to be back in Orlando? Is anyone involved in the case still talking to him, other than NG?

IMO

I think he just wants to stay in the mix of things. We already know he didn't fly out for the memorial because Cindy officially uninvited him. I have to admit that he may not always be accurate, but I still do like hearing his little tidbits of information.:blushing:

[Kokopelli]

Welcome Kokopelli! Glad you stopped hiding and joined us!:smile:

Thanks for the welcome....I have came to LUV all you guys. I love the theories, the questioning, the summarizing, the why's and the how's as we as a society come to grips with the terrible evils that are in our world. We as sane people would love to know the "Why's" behind such insane acts. Message boards are one way to deal with our dismay, our sadness, our outrage and our need for comradeship!

So thanks for the welcome and in the middle of taking care of a loving two year old myself, I will be watching you :thumbup: and posting when I can...but thanks to all of YOU for giving much food for thought!

[Myka]

I believe if you call and get on her show, you can ask him a question. I went to a all girls school in Biloxi-Gulfport in the 60's Gulf Park By the Sea. Oh God, so long ago!!

ok Thanks, maybe someday I will call lol.


sorry Nana, I don't know where that is but after Hurricane Katrina, I'm sure it's gone!

[Dells]

Paternity does seem to be a big secret with the family. I am not sure if is because the family nor Casey know who the father is or if it is one of those skeleton in the closet things. IMO, it is because Casey does not have any idea and could not bring herself to tell her mother she may have to go on Jerry Springer to find out.

Would it be released? Good question. I do not feel it has any bearing on the investigation, but I am sure JB feels otherwise. Casey's lies have caused problems for so many, the Daddy will probably be made public eventually. I just hope the man knows before it hits the press.

We have not seen Annie's interview or the 2 women Matt Crisp mentioned in his interview, Katie Robinson and Victoria Aleman. You can find Matt's interview at http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Matthew%20Crisp%20Transcript.pdf Has JB even requested these interviews?

jmo

Bolding is mine....

:laugh: Can you imagine Casey finding out on Jerry Springer?

I don't think it is important to the case either, but you know the defense wants it. They will try to pin Caylee's murder on him (whoever he is).:sneaky: Yeah, the man that fathered Caylee, who probably had no idea that she even existed until this whole case broke, is her murderer.:sneaky:

[Narcissist71]

I'm behind this morning but wanted to add...

If Casey has lied about this, as she has lied about so many things, what must Lee and the A's think about Casey making such horrible accusations about her brother?

I have two children, boy and girl (well...man and woman now) and if one did this to the other, my fury would know no bounds. Especially if the accused was burdened with trying to prove it was a lie. How do you even do that? The stain of the accusation is there forever. How in the world can the A's justify this?

But then...we are talking about Casey. I also wonder if when you have the family dynamics such as the A's, if the lies, deceit and manipulation on Casey's part just became another day in the life of the A's. We are shocked, but the impact wouldn't be there for them because they expect her to do it. It is part of who she is.

MO

At this point, I think that the A's think everyone is against them......not just Casey.....so in their mind these people are "making up" things that Casey said. JMHO though.

Many times people don't believe even their own loved one's making accusations.

Example being when a child is molested and tells mommy that daddy or step-daddy touched me (or worse).

JMHO....total speculation

[bchand]

Thanks for the welcome....I have came to LUV all you guys. I love the theories, the questioning, the summarizing, the why's and the how's as we as a society come to grips with the terrible evils that are in our world. We as sane people would love to know the "Why's" behind such insane acts. Message boards are one way to deal with our dismay, our sadness, our outrage and our need for comradeship!

So thanks for the welcome and in the middle of taking care of a loving two year old myself, I will be watching you :thumbup: and posting when I can...but thanks to all of YOU for giving much food for thought!

Welcome to the boards Kokopelli - we'll always remember it was a keg of beer that brought you here !!

:wink:

[?noanswer]

There are so many questions I have about Casey but concerning the paternity of Caylee I really don't know which way to go.
One night stand
Married man
Deceased
Why was she so secretive about Caylee's father but then when she was out with her friends she ran into a young man she told everyone she had a miscarriage with his child several said she was seen upset.
Casey is so drama bound. I just don't see how she has remained silent about Caylee's father and had no problem calling this guy out.

The only reasons I can think of KC not telling who the father is.

1. She doesn't know.

2. She did it to spite her parents especially Cindy.

As most people on the board think the A family is money hungry, there is no way that C would not have tried to get some kind of support. (Maybe the father paid them off to keep silent.) I could see a weathly married man doing that. I doubt though that KC, at that time in her life, would have the opportunity to meet someone like that. It is probably someone that was in her circle of friends at that time. A one night stand and all were drunk and none of them know. JMO

[Dells]

I think this is a perfect example of why people do not want to get involved.

jmo

Amen to that! I bet he wishes he had never tried to look for Caylee's remains. It is amazing how far reaching the collateral damage is in this case. I bet he worries that the defense will try to pin the murder on him. Anybody that ever knew Casey in their entire life is probably worried about that.

[johnielee333]

Have we seen JP Chatts interview?

dont know but Caylee did look like him in one of the pictures.

[Neffy]

At this time, I do not believe the paternity is an issue in this case. But I do think Cindy's lie about a lawyer drawing up papers to prevent the father from coming into Caylee's life later caused some red flags. Why not tell LE Caylee's father does not want to be a part of her life? Why the lie? jmo

I'd thought the lawyer deal was just incase something happened to Casey that guardianship would automatically go to the Anthony's without question. :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

I know Barbara from Florida asked.....

but would anyone want to come forward at this point.......if you had been with Casey and there was the possibility, and you weren't told (oh god if you really knew that you were the father), and Caylee is deceased.......

Would it be worth it to come forward? Besides the defense putting you under a microscope, you'd have the media putting you under a microscope. Probably have people saying you were scum, because you didn't step up, (especially if you knew) to support your own flesh and blood.....*Adding* Probably be accused of coming forward just for the money. *end of Add*

Sorry I'm just wondering......look at how people said the Meter Reader was attacked (Big Period).


I totally agree with that. Why come forward.

[Narcissist71]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0809/19/ng.01.html
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Reports said investigators want to interview California friends of mom, Casey, one of them Marine Mark Hawkins (ph). He told police Casey Anthony called him in early July to say she was planning a trip to California and needed to tell him something. She told Hawkins her mother and brother know, but she wasn`t sure how he would react.

Thank you for the link.

Do we know who the unidentified male was?

Sorry I was referring to "real" evidence of the IMs between Casey and M. Hawkins.

At this point the police haven't released that interview to my knowledge.

[Texas48]

I agree with you pickle...

people keep saying that the father never came forward and never wanted to be part of caylees life.... uhhh how do we know that?

Casey lies about everything! but now people are suddenly believing her???

For all we know the father may not know that he had a daughter!

Maybe this was another one of Caseys cruel games!

I've never seen such a dysfunctional family!

Everything has to be kept secret!... Casey can't tell where Caylee is because shes being forced to keep that information secret! George can't tell us who has Caylee and moved her 9 times because it's a secret!, George can't tell us WHO is watching the people who are moving Caylee from house to house because it's a SECRET! blah blah blah!
The best thing that could happed to this family would be to GET RID OF ALL THE SECRETS and BE NORMAL!

:rolleyes:
Excellent post Kit...except...did you use the word NORMAL? lol..jmo..Anyone having had sex w/KC would remember it (unless he was in a drunken stooper) and "IF" he was alive and "IF" he wanted to come forward or at least talk to LE about it then he would do so. Very possible many people that had any contact w/KC does NOT want it known. Look what has happened to so many other people in her life.

[?noanswer]

Did I read last night that the DNA paternity was sealed back in July around the 26th?
That is very strange to me if the LE have known who Caylee's father is back then.
We only knew about Caylee being missing since July 16(although she had been missing for 31 days before)so in 10 days after that the LE "knew" who the father was???????
This is very confusing to me if they have known that since then.
I don't thnk we even knew all the charactors in this horrible story by then.Also most of the people Casey was friends with she did not know until after Caylee was born.
Except for Jessie who thought he was the father , found out he wasn't but still wanted to marry Casey and be a father to Caylee.

Since Jessie already had a dna test done and found out he wasn't...who exactly does that leave?(maybe Mark?)
I have always felt she did not know but now I am leaning to the unementionable especially if the LE have had the paternity sealed since last July.
Does anyone else understand my thinking?

What I understood was that a report was sealed in an evidence envelop. This was taken from the A's house. I think Jesse gave LE his DNA report early on. Jesse contacted LE as soon as he knew Caylee was missing. If the evelope taken from the A's house contained a DNA report that showed someone other than Jessie as the father, then that would be a NG "bombshell".

JMO

[Pat]

ok Thanks, maybe someday I will call lol.


sorry Nana, I don't know where that is but after Hurricane Katrina, I'm sure it's gone!

It's still there...close to Long Beach. Gulf Park. Survived Camille and Katrina. Not without damage, of course. Believe it is a satellite college for USM?