Thursday, Feb. 5th. - Part I

[Ladyhawk]

I wouldn't bet the farm on that.

Maybe those strange religious people that protest soldiers funerals will caravan down to Orlando and raise a stink.....when you really think about it, all sorts of people with an agenda might show up...they could even be paid to protest. I hope not though.

[Dells]

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:48 PM EST, February 5, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

From the link: The public is invited to this service, but the Anthonys and the church do have the right to refuse entry to certain people, Conway said.

We know Lenny is on the NOT INVITED list.

IMO

Bolding mine.......

I wish they didn't even go there.:sneaky:

I think the people that would be refused entry probably wouldn't want to go to the Anthony's memorial anyway...

[ishkabibble]

They don't take children from their mother's because of domestic issues with the grandparents. I've never seen that happen in all my years working in social work. But then, you all seem to know different. :thumbdown:

I have to agree with you, on this. I don't think Cindy ever saw any kind of evidence that Casey hurt Caylee in any way. If Casey moved out with Caylee and Cindy could prove that Caylee was not being properly supervised or neglected in someway she may have had a chance at custody. But considering the timeframe we are talking about
June 15-July 15, chances are Cindy couldn't even get the papers filed in that period, let alone have any real proof that all is not well. DYFS would have to track Casey down in order to check out Caylee and Cindy couldn't even give them an address to find her at.

[IM4Truth]

I am not sure that CPS or DCF would have had enough to remove Caylee but they would have had enough to make ongoing checkups on the child and would have had the right to investigate Caylees well being as far as her mother goes. If CPS would have become involved or if someone would have (i.e. Rick, the great grandmother or a neighbor) made a report - they may have found enough to take her away from the family all together. I think that it might be Barbara.fl that has the social services experience here. IMO

I don't think posters realize how DCF works and what constitutes the removal of a child. It wasn't DCF's job to go in and prove Casey wasn't going to work everyday. Just because Cindy said she was a pathological liar and unfit doesn't prove anything. I will say this once again: Cindy was allowing them to live in her home and provide for them. Is this what should have happened: :Hello, DCF, my daughter is a pathological liar and and unfit mother, I think you should give my granddaughter to me". They would take a report, where do they live, how do they live, who supports them, does your daughter have a job?
"They live with me, my granddaughter has all the toys and clothes a child could ever dream for. She has a beatiful little bedroom all her own and her own little house in the back yard. I support them. I always have food in my fridge and I can make some mean Mac & Cheese. My daughter says she works, but I really don't think she does. Do you think you could find that out for me?"

[Neffy]

I think there's 2 that won't be allowed in Tim Miller and Lenny...mo

#3. Nancy Grace

LOL

[GIGI4256]

OUTSTANDING POST AND I NOMINATE IT AS POST OF THE DAY!!!!! George and Cindy were as good grandparents as casey was a good mother.

I second that nomination :thumbup:

[happy2bme]

Ease up on the snark. Do doctors never do favors for their employees? Do nurses never administer shots to their own family members? I find that hard to believe.


Yes they do and have.:wink:

[SwFlorida]

Im betting it will be.......can you say cha ching cha ching....jmo.....
cha ahing cha ching :lol:

[Tracian]

There are laws against copying videos. Do we have any evidence that the Anthonys plan on selling videos?


Nope, and I am not saying there is, I was saying that copying a tape is quite easy once you have it in your possession. I don't know if there is a law to copy your own tape, I know people that used church equipment to tape weddings and made copies.

[ConchGirl]

There are laws against copying videos. Do we have any evidence that the Anthonys plan on selling videos?

That question will be answered soon enough when we see exclusive photos. jmo

[Motomom]

I agree. But - this whole public service, with conditions, is another display of Cindy's control issues.

I have been defending Cindy a bit lately, but I have to say.. if there is any fighting and arguing at this babies funeral and she's involved in any way shape or form, my opinion will go back to what it was.

First I think it is ridiculous and outright WRONG for anybody to be denied to pay their last respects. ANYBODY.. for ANY funeral. It is a disgrace IMO. Now, if that person is bringing drama with them, different story.. but most people I know, go to funerals to pay their respects, not cause a ruckus. The A's shouldn't be worried about denying someone in..it's silly. I do think they'd need security there, only because there is the potential for a lot of people and the circumstances.. And normal people don't go into a funeral and start spouting off stuff either to cause trouble. I'd like to think that people would be more respectful than that..but who knows..it takes all kinds.

[newsjunkie]

OUTSTANDING POST AND I NOMINATE IT AS POST OF THE DAY!!!!! George and Cindy were as good grandparents as casey was a good mother.


I second that!

[KittyMom]

Im betting it will be.......can you say cha ching cha ching....jmo.....

Let's hope the media in FL won't play that type of game.

[Cury-us Coyote]

No cameras are allowed in the church, but WFTV.com expects to be able to provide a live video feed online of the service.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18650457/detail.html

[IM4Truth]

Do you recall if that was stated in the interview with LE, or the FBI?

No, I don't. It might not have even been that day. Maybe he said he did things like that on a normal day. The posters are saying Cindy said it, so maybe that is where I heard it, but I sure thought it was George.

[happy2bme]

LOL, I did. I wonder if Greta and/or geraldo will fly down to cover ... er, I mean attend?


Or Nancy Grace?

[Myka]

And wouldn't that be something if Cindy refused them at the door? OMG - I can see it now! LOL

wouldn't GR show up w/ JB? you know, since they are friends and all?

[KittyMom]

#3. Nancy Grace

LOL

TonE
Amy
Ricardo
Kiomarie

[KatieKates]

ITA- at this point if there were something going on in that house or with Caylee that wasn't right, I wish someone would have called anyone. I just cannot imagine that there were no signs of anything. Even just signs to an outsider that KC had problems before she even had Caylee. No high school teacher or guidance counselor. Just bizarre that everyone says this is not the KC they know. IMO

Jesse G. said that this Casey isn't the Casey he knew and loved. Something happened in the past year that completely changed this girl into someone he doesn't even recognize anymore. Maybe the same goes for her family. IDK.

[apothecary]

I often wondered why George wanted that widgey thing to rotate the tires from Caseys car trunk because she had had 2 new tires put on the car because she drove with flat tires earlier..not sure of the date..and when they put on 2 new tires would they not have rotated or balanced them at that time.Me thinks it was a ruse for George to look into the trunk and why did he report the stolen gas at that time.Even Greta thought it strange that he would report about max $50.00 value to the police in one of her earlier interviews.I am sure Casey stole gas lots of times and why did he report her this time.Why did he want to see inside her trunk and why did he not pursue it or did he...Lots of questions.Makes me think he was suspicious of something in the trunk for some reason because I really don't think he wanted to rotate the tires.

[SwFlorida]

Maybe those strange religious people that protest soldiers funerals will caravan down to Orlando and raise a stink.....when you really think about it, all sorts of people with an agenda might show up...they could even be paid to protest. I hope not though.
People get paid to protest?

[5boxersmom]

TonE
Amy
Ricardo
Kiomarie

Wonder if Annie will be allowed?

Bet Joy W. will be there. :lol:

[RiverWalk]

I doubt there will be any protesters there either. They could always get those biker guys to stand outside and make sure there isn't. I saw they were there to escort Riley Sawyers Grandmother out of the court room the other day when they found the mother guilty.

jmo

O/T That group was Bikers Against Child Abuse. They will "roll" in to help any family, any child, anywhere. They are also national and international now.

[happy2bme]

Her friends were young and childless. Not sure they'd know good parenting if they saw it.

And one did see something. The girlfriend of one of TonE's roommates or friends, a Maria Kish or something similar. She says Caylee was wandering around the apartment, including out onto the balcony, while Casey and TonE were behind a closed bedroom door.

The people who might have a better handle on whether Casey was abusive were her parents. Nuff said.

I missed that one Say!

[KittyMom]

No cameras are allowed in the church, but WFTV.com expects to be able to provide a live video feed online of the service.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18650457/detail.html

WHAT??? :ohmy: I thought the A's and Baez had problems with WFTV.

(that station name kills me everytime I type it) :tongue:

[Ladyhawk]

Why in the world would Cindy go and tell someone her daughter was a sociopatch if she truly thinks like this. It makes no sense?

She was wanting someone to tell her otherwise. You know when you say how do I look and you're wanting to hear you look great, not gee you don't look so hot in that dress. She, as strong as she may come on, is in constant need of validation in order to function. If she doesn't get it from one place, she will validate herself KWIM? She wanted people to tell her she was wrong about Casey, that she wasn't what she was thinking and that with whatever Cindy was doing that it would be okay in the end. When she went to the counselor, she didn't want to do what the counselor advised her to do....that wasn't why she went.

[Tracian]

The only way I think there would be protesters is if Casey was allowed to attend, or a table was set up selling Caylee buttons, Tee Shirts or other momentos...short of that, I don't think anyone with two connected brain cells would protest.

The protesters at the A's house while wrong, felt betrayed. The A's over and over swore that once Casey was out..she would find Caylee..that didn't happen...the family kept giving conflicting reports to the media...false Caylee sightings, spinning former statements...Cindy had already gone on TV basically saying anyone that didn't believe Casey's amazing stories were the ones that didn't care about Caylee...

Were the protesters wrong..yes...but again the A's created the circus and only got upset when they lost control of it.

[newsjunkie]

15 yrs ago my sisters daughter was unwed and pregnant.
My sister took her and the baby in until she finished school and got her life in order.
She also insisted her daughter turn over temporary custody until the time my sister felt comfortable turning it back.
Her grandchild knew the difference between her mommy and her grandmother and my sis to this day and especially after this Anthony debacle says that as long as it was her paying the bills and taking the child as her responsibility she wouldn't have done it any other way.
Now that child has 3 siblings and a wonderful adopted dad.
I wish it could have been like that someday for Caylee!

[5boxersmom]

O/T That group was Bikers Against Child Abuse. They will "roll" in to help any family, any child, anywhere. They are also national and international now.

TY. I couldn't remember their name. I have seen them before. They seem like good guys. :thumbsup:

[caphill]

There are laws against copying videos. Do we have any evidence that the Anthonys plan on selling videos?


Is there any evidence at all that Cindy has ever capitalized on the loss of her granddaughter?

[IM4Truth]

Google Fl DCF...not a pretty picture.

and do you think any other state is any better?

[happy2bme]

WHAT??? :ohmy: I thought the A's and Baez had problems with WFTV.

(that station name kills me everytime I type it) :tongue:


Glad to know my mind wasn't the only one in the gutter. lol

[KittyMom]

Not what I'm saying. Maybe the docs she worked for did her a favor.

I thought she worked for one of those "hospice" type companies. What would they need with immunizations?

[happy2bme]

She was wanting someone to tell her otherwise. You know when you say how do I look and you're wanting to hear you look great, not gee you don't look so hot in that dress. She, as strong as she may come on, is in constant need of validation in order to function. If she doesn't get it from one place, she will validate herself KWIM? She wanted people to tell her she was wrong about Casey, that she wasn't what she was thinking and that with whatever Cindy was doing that it would be okay in the end. When she went to the counselor, she didn't want to do what the counselor advised her to do....that wasn't why she went.


I see what your saying.

[need2no]

WHAT??? :ohmy: I thought the A's and Baez had problems with WFTV.

(that station name kills me everytime I type it) :tongue:

I can already picture Cindy rushing to the church with the media in tow:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-Crunningfrommedia.jpg

[texski]

Did she? And did it? I thought we'd all come to the conclusion that there wasn't any insurance? Now I'm confused.
on my husbands work insurance our children who were students could be continued on his health insurance until they stopped school or were 21. i read somewhere where casey was teling people that she was a college student so she could fit in with that kind of crowd.

[?noanswer]

I agree. But - this whole public service, with conditions, is another display of Cindy's control issues.

It would be nice if everyone but family & friends would stay away. Don't make Caylee's last event a spectacle. In fact, if everyone did stay away, it might make all the attys. take a second look and say "Hey, this is not attracting any people or media. Maybe we better take a second look at whether or not this is gonna make us rich." JMO

[Venus]

Not what I'm saying. Maybe the docs she worked for did her a favor.

What docs? Cindy is a home health nurse.

[ishkabibble]

ok dumb question....

do you think the media will be outside of the church or do you think they will respect the service itself and stay away?

I know, I know, of course the media will be there.......so they will catch Cindy stopping ppl from going to the service?

do we even know if the A's are going to be there?

well, this is one of the things we have been waiting for, a service for Caylee

I think they should allow it to be televised, if not there will be even more backlash against Casey. the Anthony's should attend and allow anyone who wants to attend be there. They do not have to mingle with the crowd or be in contact with anyone they don't want to be with. to do otherwise adds more fuel to the fire, more negative publicity. I think the defense team should not be there, but the OCSD should attend if they feel like doing so. When private funeral is held, that will be the time for Casey supporters to attend and the Anthony's can put as many restrictions on that as they want. But Public is Public and I think they will earn more good will by not banning certain people.

[playnice]

I think this memorial is the closest thing G&C will get for a funeral for Caylee.
I think we will hear that Caylee was quietly laid to rest somewhere in an undisclosed location (not even G&C will know) or cremated by request of her mother.

[5boxersmom]

I always got my son's immunizations free at the Health Dept. Even though we always had insurance I took him there. Some of the counties around here also have a Care a Van that travels around and does it free. They do other things also, like check bp and such.

Of course he still went in for his wellness checks with his Pediatrician.

jmo

[need2no]

and do you think any other state is any better?

I doubt it, and not from my personal experience. The majority are overworked, and underpaid....their caseloads and travel requirements are horrible.

[CC I See]

I can't see her telling Mark he was Caylee's father when Caylee was already dead. Even if he was it, would just open a huge can of worms.
I think her trip to Cali was to hid Caylee's death from her parents by telling them Caylee was with her in Cali and then telling Mark, Caylee was in Florida. That situation would buy her time to concoct some big lie about something happening to Caylee in Cali and telling her parents she was dead from some illness or accident. She could say she was cremated.... and since Cindy bought all of her lies, she would never have checked and Casey would be in the clear.

[newsjunkie]

I think this memorial is the closest thing G&C will get for a funeral for Caylee.
I think we will hear that Caylee was quietly laid to rest somewhere or cremated by request of her mother.


I have always thought that.
Why give her to her mother in death, look what happened when she didn't want to give her in life.....I keep hearing " I am a spiteful biotch"

[PuffDragon]

I think most people would be shocked to learn that even people with severe mental illness can keep their children in most cases, there are no easy answers. I can't fault the Anthony's for anything as far a decisions they made before this all happened. I do however have serious issues with things they have done after LE was involved. Life is full of hard choices, I never know which is the right one to make.

I taught for a while in a school system that was in an area where there was a lot of abuse, alcoholism and drugs, and neglect. This was long before there was any law that required DSS be called for suspicion, but the teachers felt responsible since no one else was. Someone was always calling, one or more children would be removed from the home, two days later they would be returned, within a week we'd be seeing all the signs again. That was many years ago, lots of laws and rules and workshops have gone under the bridge. I still have friends there, they tell me nothing has changed. The only difference is that those children grew up and repeated the pattern and now their children are repeating the pattern. A lot of the people in the trenches end up thinking what's the use, there's no support at the top, might as well stop fighting it. :crying:

[KittyMom]

I always got my son's immunizations free at the Health Dept. Even though we always had insurance I took him there. Some of the counties around here also have a Care a Van that travels around and does it free. They do other things also, like check bp and such.

Of course he still went in for his wellness checks with his Pediatrician.

jmo

Our health dept has a sliding scale. The shots cost me the same there or the doc office. At the doc office I still have to pay for an office visit even though we only get shots and do not see the doc.

[Tracian]

Is there any evidence at all that Cindy has ever capitalized on the loss of her granddaughter?


All we know is that monies have been paid in regards to licencing of photos and videos, and that in the past, People has also paid for exclusive interviews, or the photos that are offered. We also know that George lost his job, and as far as we know, Cindy has not worked since Caylee was reported missing.

[spiritwolf46]

Glad to know my mind wasn't the only one in the gutter. lol

Me too. When they started covering this case, what was on my mind was the only way I could remember it to see what they had from day to day. :scared:

[playnice]

I have always thought that.
Why give her to her mother in death, look what happened when she didn't want to give her in life.....I keep hearing " I am a spiteful biotch"

ITA This is Caseys last opportunity to use Caylee to spite Cindy.
If she killed her to keep Cindy from getting her she sure isnt going to give her the remains. That would be like Cindy winning to Casey.

[desmom]

I hate to sound cynical, but every tip announcement from the A's, live interviews with the A's and breaking news out of the A's happened around a major document dump.

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance said they expect a document dump next week. I wonder what will be in the dump, does the A's know and is that why they chose next week for the memorial service?

Okay there I said it, now I will wait for the tomato throwing.

jmo

[Puffybubble]

Then may I suggest to stay away from doing media tours and not to give interviews if your gut feeling is that you would not be sane or rational.

Hopefully I will never be in that horrible life situation. As for the Anthonys, I dont think they had a choice for privacy. And no way would i be sane and filled with poise and dignity if my grandchild was more than likely dead by my childs hand.

my opinion

[Venus]

Our health dept has a sliding scale. The shots cost me the same there or the doc office. At the doc office I still have to pay for an office visit even though we only get shots and do not see the doc.

It's not reasonable to assume that Cindy would give the immunizations.

Records have to be kept for school purposes, etc. Also, the lot number and expiration date is placed on file in the patient's record, just in case a bad batch of the medicine turns up, they'll know which kids got what.

[trich]

If this has already been discussed please excuse me...I have been gone most of the day.
But while I was in the grocery store i noticed the ENQUIRER and the headlines are : George confesses Casey did it...I did not buy the rag or get to read it....the checkregister line went too fast LOL.
I found it quite interesting that they used the terminology that George confessed.
My wording might not be exact but I am pretty sure they used the word confesses.....either way they are saying he admits that Casey did it.


On the memorial....I surely hope it does not turn into a fiasco.

[RiverWalk]

on my husbands work insurance our children who were students could be continued on his health insurance until they stopped school or were 21. i read somewhere where casey was teling people that she was a college student so she could fit in with that kind of crowd.

She said she was attending Valencia CC. In the document dumps there is a letter from Valencia saying NO, no Casey Anthony never applied nor attended their community college.

[Venus]

From what I can gather, what's wrong is that he dared to air the dirty laundry for all the world to see. Even though he was being truthful.

Truth is less important, apparently, even in the case of a missing toddler, than keeping family secrets.


IMO, Rick is the only one from that family that has even tried to do the right thing for Caylee.

He encouraged Cindy to have Casey confess, and Cindy turned her back on him and basically told him she was finished with him.

[IM4Truth]

Time for me to go. Coulda, woulda, shoulda, who's the daddy, who will be bounced from the memorial, too much for me to handle. We need another document dump with facts......just the facts, ma'am. IM4TRUTH!

[KittyMom]

From what I can gather, what's wrong is that he dared to air the dirty laundry for all the world to see. Even though he was being truthful.

Truth is less important, apparently, even in the case of a missing toddler, than keeping family secrets.

I can't remember where or when I read it, but I thought he said the reason he started posting is because Cindy was being portrayed so poorly and he just wanted people to see Casey was the perp not Cindy. I took it as a brother trying to stand up for his sister.

[bchand]

I hate to sound cynical, but every tip announcement from the A's, live interviews with the A's and breaking news out of the A's happened around a major document dump.

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance said they expect a document dump next week. I wonder what will be in the dump, does the A's know and is that why they chose next week for the memorial service?

Okay there I said it, now I will wait for the tomato throwing.

jmo

No tomatoes here. It is what it is and you're right.

(I won't be distracted !!! )

[PuffDragon]

School board didnt want brother to do anything because she didnt have long to go to retire...everyone at school seen her that way they all were in gym for assembly that day... she didnt even get to eat lunch sent her to lunch room like that several teachers and principal seen her like that and DID NOTHING! and top it off she's ASMATIC.. My brothers pretty easy going EXCEPT when it comes to his kids the tempers fly It takes a lot to get him mad but when you do watch out.....

That story makes my skin crawl. Seriously! Thank goodness your brother took action, that child would have been a target after that!!! The harm that can be done to children by pathological teachers. AAARGH!!!!

Breathe.....breathe.....breathe..... I'm okay now.............

[Dells]

I think this memorial is the closest thing G&C will get for a funeral for Caylee.
I think we will hear that Caylee was quietly laid to rest somewhere in an undisclosed location (not even G&C will know) or cremated by request of her mother.

I can see Casey being just that spiteful to do that.:sneaky: However, if that should happen I don't think it would be kept quiet. I think the public would be very outraged if that happened.

[bchand]

And I tend to think until I remember that Annie stopped babysitting for Caylee because KC was not working and was hanging out with friends instead. She watched Caylee for more than a year if IIRC so how can that be true? To me it looks as if KC has been like this since atleast the time that Caylee was born. This is KC how she has always been just not the KC that she presented to Jesse or the KC that Jesse chose to see. IMO

It was Lauren, and Casey's always been a user obviously. I agree.

[IM4Truth]

If this has already been discussed please excuse me...I have been gone most of the day.
But while I was in the grocery store i noticed the ENQUIRER and the headlines are : George confesses Casey did it...I did not buy the rag or get to read it....the checkregister line went too fast LOL.
I found it quite interesting that they used the terminology that George confessed.
My wording might not be exact but I am pretty sure they used the word confesses.....either way they are saying he admits that Casey did it.


On the memorial....I surely hope it does not turn into a fiasco.

I threw my money out on it just out of curiosity. It was based on his interviews with LE & FBI. Nothing new. No big confession to anyone.

[KittyMom]

I hate to sound cynical, but every tip announcement from the A's, live interviews with the A's and breaking news out of the A's happened around a major document dump.

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance said they expect a document dump next week. I wonder what will be in the dump, does the A's know and is that why they chose next week for the memorial service?

Okay there I said it, now I will wait for the tomato throwing.

jmo

No tomato here. You are totally correct. Every doc dump was overshadowed by some big announcement by the A camp.

[GIGI4256]

I think they should allow it to be televised, if not there will be even more backlash against Casey. the Anthony's should attend and allow anyone who wants to attend be there. They do not have to mingle with the crowd or be in contact with anyone they don't want to be with. to do otherwise adds more fuel to the fire, more negative publicity. I think the defense team should not be there, but the OCSD should attend if they feel like doing so. When private funeral is held, that will be the time for Casey supporters to attend and the Anthony's can put as many restrictions on that as they want. But Public is Public and I think they will earn more good will by not banning certain people.

And>>> the pictures of Caylee should not include Casey. JMO

[Dells]

I hate to sound cynical, but every tip announcement from the A's, live interviews with the A's and breaking news out of the A's happened around a major document dump.

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance said they expect a document dump next week. I wonder what will be in the dump, does the A's know and is that why they chose next week for the memorial service?

Okay there I said it, now I will wait for the tomato throwing.

jmo

No tomatoes from me. I was actually thinking the same thing.:sneaky:

[Neffy]

Hopefully I will never be in that horrible life situation. As for the Anthonys, I dont think they had a choice for privacy. And no way would i be sane and filled with poise and dignity if my grandchild was more than likely dead by my childs hand.

my opinion

Perpetuating a mythical kidnapping nanny myth while hiding their lying daugher was the unraveling of their private life becoming public.

[Unperson1984]

I was replying to mandated reporters have to report more than just physical and sexual abuse.

Also, I am not the one that told my co workers and complained to family members about Casey being an unfit mother....Cindy, the nurse did.

So was Cindy just lying all over about her daughter? OR did she really believe that Casey was an unfit mother? And what made Cindy think Casey was an unfit mother?

I just don't see a legal cause for taking Caylee away from her natural mother. Cindy's opinions were just that...opinions.


Definitions of Child Abuse and Neglect - Florida
Statute: §§ 39.01

Standard:

Willful or threatened act that harms or is likely to cause harm

Exemption:

Religious exemption

Corporal punishment

Poverty

Categories of Maltreatment Defined in Statute:

Physical abuse

Neglect

Sexual abuse

Sexual exploitation

'Abuse' means any willful act or threatened act that results in any physical, mental, or sexual injury or harm that causes or is likely to cause the child’s physical, mental, or emotional health to be significantly impaired. Abuse of a child includes acts or omissions.

'Mental injury' means an injury to the intellectual or psychological capacity of a child as evidenced by a discernible and substantial impairment in the ability to function within the normal range of performance and behavior.

'Neglect' occurs when a child is deprived of, or is allowed to be deprived of, necessary food, clothing, shelter, or medical treatment or a child is permitted to live in an environment when such deprivation or environment causes a child's physical, mental, or emotional health to be significantly impaired or to be in danger of being significantly impaired.


I didn't include the lengthy definition of sexual abuse.

[KittyMom]

on my husbands work insurance our children who were students could be continued on his health insurance until they stopped school or were 21. i read somewhere where casey was teling people that she was a college student so she could fit in with that kind of crowd.

Insurance companies tend to want something from the college to varify that the child is a full time student. What would Casey have been able to produce?

[SavannahStar]

From what I can gather, what's wrong is that he dared to air the dirty laundry for all the world to see. Even though he was being truthful.

Truth is less important, apparently, even in the case of a missing toddler, than keeping family secrets.


One thing we do not know, and really cannot know, is whether or not everything he said was truthful.

ETA: Why would someone choose to do what he did......in public? That floors me.

[happygert]

#3. Nancy Grace

LOL

forgot about her

[Kokopelli]

And give the appearance of being 'poor'? Never.
Venus...yes you are so very very right! Everything was about appearance for them.

[texski]

It would be nice if everyone but family & friends would stay away. Don't make Caylee's last event a spectacle. In fact, if everyone did stay away, it might make all the attys. take a second look and say "Hey, this is not attracting any people or media. Maybe we better take a second look at whether or not this is gonna make us rich." JMO

this is the best post i have read on this board. i agree . but, i dont think it will happen that way, some people feel they have to be there, when they do not know anyone in this family in anyway, anyhow.
i could wish that the little girl could have a quiet, peaceful group of family friends to remember her, as they knew her.
not those of us who only know what we have read.

[SavannahStar]

I just don't see a legal cause for taking Caylee away from her natural mother. Cindy's opinions were just that...opinions.
*snipped for space*



*my bolding to address*

:thumbup: That sums it up.

[need2no]

I hate to sound cynical, but every tip announcement from the A's, live interviews with the A's and breaking news out of the A's happened around a major document dump.

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance said they expect a document dump next week. I wonder what will be in the dump, does the A's know and is that why they chose next week for the memorial service?

Okay there I said it, now I will wait for the tomato throwing.

jmo

desmom, I've been thinking the same, very coincidential timing we have observed.

IIRC the last time the media told us docs were coming they came before the anticipated date. Last night Natisha Lance did say docs were expected next week...but she also told us George was being discharged from Halifax to be moved to another hospital...of course the next day we learned George went home. So...the media isn't always right on the money with their info.

I keep wondering what the detectives discussed with the A's when Greta ran up on Cindy while she was in FL. Cindy was not a happy camper.

[PuffDragon]

Wonder how they will do this? Publish a list of people not invited? Cindy standing at the door stamping people's hands?

IMO.

Jeeze.... that visual just made me nearly drop my laptop!! Stamping hands... :laugh:

[really3997]

I hate to sound cynical, but every tip announcement from the A's, live interviews with the A's and breaking news out of the A's happened around a major document dump.

Last night on NG, Natisha Lance said they expect a document dump next week. I wonder what will be in the dump, does the A's know and is that why they chose next week for the memorial service?

Okay there I said it, now I will wait for the tomato throwing.

jmo

Transparent isn't it....

[5boxersmom]

If Casey already had the burial done wouldn't she have had to pay for it? Where would she have gotten the money? Also has the funeral home been charging for everyday the remains have been there?

Burials and/or cremation is expensive.

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

If Casey already had the burial done wouldn't she have had to pay for it? Where would she have gotten the money? Also has the funeral home been charging for everyday the remains have been there?

Burials and/or cremation is expensive.

jmo

Yes it is very expensive. When my mother passed, all five of us kids have to pay for it out of our pockets.

I have wondered who was paying for this as well. Poor little Caylee. :crying:

[bchand]

And>>> the pictures of Caylee should not include Casey. JMO

OMG you don't think they'd be that stupid do you to put Casey's photo up at the public memorial? They can do whatever they want at the private memorial but that would have the possibility of causing quite a disturbance.

[Venus]

One thing we do not know, and really cannot know, is whether or not everything he said was truthful.

ETA: Why would someone choose to do what he did......in public? That floors me.

We don't know if ANYTHING anybody says is truthful. We have to decide based on facts surrounding what he said, and his character.

IMO - he's the only honest one in the bunch that we've heard from.

[need2no]

One thing we do not know, and really cannot know, is whether or not everything he said was truthful.

ETA: Why would someone choose to do what he did......in public? That floors me.

Everything he stated has proven to be true, right down to the cocker spaniel dogs the A's used to own, with the one exception of George, his dad, and the plate glass window.

[KittyMom]

And I tend to think until I remember that Annie stopped babysitting for Caylee because KC was not working and was hanging out with friends instead. She watched Caylee for more than a year if IIRC so how can that be true? To me it looks as if KC has been like this since atleast the time that Caylee was born. This is KC how she has always been just not the KC that she presented to Jesse or the KC that Jesse chose to see. IMO

That wasn't Annie Downing. That was a Christine...sorry, can't remember last name. She told LE that she babysat until she found out that Casey didn't have a job and then she stopped.

[num1barb]

Insurance companies tend to want something from the college to varify that the child is a full time student. What would Casey have been able to produce?

This is true. You HAVE to provide documentation that they are actually students....casey couldn't have just called them and said it. LOL

Been there. Done that.

[Dunlurken]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure I read an interview or something where George is telling someone that he tells Casey he wants that thing to rotate tires on one of their other vehicles or something.

It was just a little wedge that you sit behind the wheel when you jack the car up so it doesnt roll.

and you're right from what I recall he was just using it as an excuse to go look in her vehicle... which she freaked about and ran ahead of him.

But i also wonder what made George want to see in that trunk,,, was it the gas cans or was it a BAD odor coming from her car?
Afternoon all :seeya: I think that's when he saw the body/bag in the trunk. Last night something kept turning over in my mind that George said, "The body in the trunk was not my grand daughter's!"

Good Lord, I'm obsessed with this case. JMO.

[witchywoman]

Im out ya'll...

Ill lurk with u good peeps l8r eh?

ive to pick son up from school and take him to karate...

Keeping lil miss caylee in my heart

thank ya'll for the info, and keeping me in the loop

[Unperson1984]

IMO, Rick is the only one from that family that has even tried to do the right thing for Caylee.

He encouraged Cindy to have Casey confess, and Cindy turned her back on him and basically told him she was finished with him.

In all fairness, it was Rick saying that Caylee was dead that led to Cindy turning her back on him. There is no way she was ready to accept that fact in August. She couldn't accept it until the body was found.

I'm no fan of Cindys, but some of the things she is accused of doing, not doing, or planning are over the top and without basis in fact.

[Motomom]

*my bolding to address*

:thumbup: That sums it up.

Not sure how to double quote.. BUT we dnt' know what dyfs would have done had cindy called.. or what a court would have said, had cindy went in front of a judge. We don't know where Casey would have been or who she would have been with..who she was subjecting Caylee too.. All that would have been different, had cindy taken a different approach IMO. If CA had kicked her to the curb and she'd taken Caylee.. Cindy had recourse and at the very very very least, you attempt all you can. I'm not talking about after she went missing.. there had to be problems before that IMO. After she went missing, nothing Cindy did, didn't do, should have done, could have done..wouldn't have meant anything at all, because Caylee was dead already.

[PuffDragon]

Sorry Puff but that's my opinion of cindy.... casey being an unfit mom was cindys words not mine... she didnt PROTECT Caylee.......moo..

Just a statement of fact, not a criticism of your opinion, gert. You are entitled to it. I get off the wall on a thing or two myself now and then...
I'm not a fan of Cindy's myself, but I've already written her off, she's not worth my time. I always enjoy reading your thoughts though...

[Unperson1984]

Afternoon all :seeya: I think that's when he saw the body/bag in the trunk. Last night something kept turning over in my mind that George said, "The body in the trunk was not my grand daughter's!"

Good Lord, I'm obsessed with this case. JMO.

According to the report from the Body Farm, the body could not have been in the car after June 18th.

[need2no]

OMG you don't think they'd be that stupid do you to put Casey's photo up at the public memorial? They can do whatever they want at the private memorial but that would have the possibility of causing quite a disturbance.

Imagine the big poster they had at the press conference when Dr. G announced the remains were Caylee..only the big poster at the memorial is of Caylee and casey. :w00t::thumbdown:

Afterall...casey will get to see this 'event', gotta keep her happy.

[TeenyNRossi]

Like any other day? Hmmm...See that makes me suspicious..if this was a normal run of the mill thing, why did George know to the slightest detail what Casey and Caylee were wearing over a month earlier?

At that time he would not need to remember that, it would not be something that struck him as unusual, so the 'detail' seems disingenuous to me.

Just jumping in here quickly...George mentions that when they left on the 16th, Casey said she'd see them tomorrow as she was working late...why did no one question where she and Caylee were the next day when she didn't come home...or the next....or the next??? Just when did George learn that Casey had taken a trip to "bond" with Caylee??? I thought (and I could be wrong) that Cindy stated in some police interview that the Casey / Caylee bonding trip was a planned in advance thing...then when did that change to working in Tampa??? This is one thing that makes me question the George seeing them leave on the 16th story. :closedeyes:

[Dunlurken]

OMG you don't think they'd be that stupid do you to put Casey's photo up at the public memorial? They can do whatever they want at the private memorial but that would have the possibility of causing quite a disturbance.

Is the service "on" for sure? Sorry, been out of the loop for a day while my three year old grand daughter spent last night with us. JMO.

[happygert]

That story makes my skin crawl. Seriously! Thank goodness your brother took action, that child would have been a target after that!!! The harm that can be done to children by pathological teachers. AAARGH!!!!

Breathe.....breathe.....breathe..... I'm okay now.............

yep........

[SavannahStar]

Everything he stated has proven to be true, right down to the cocker spaniel dogs the A's used to own, with the one exception of George, his dad, and the plate glass window.


Okay one thing we were discussing earlier was that Cindy allegedly convinced the grandmother not to press charges against Casey. Rick allegedly said this.

Was that proven true? If so, how?

[Tracian]

I just don't see a legal cause for taking Caylee away from her natural mother. Cindy's opinions were just that...opinions.


Definitions of Child Abuse and Neglect - Florida
Statute: §§ 39.01

Standard:

Willful or threatened act that harms or is likely to cause harm

Exemption:

Religious exemption

Corporal punishment

Poverty

Categories of Maltreatment Defined in Statute:

Physical abuse

Neglect

Sexual abuse

Sexual exploitation

'Abuse' means any willful act or threatened act that results in any physical, mental, or sexual injury or harm that causes or is likely to cause the child’s physical, mental, or emotional health to be significantly impaired. Abuse of a child includes acts or omissions.

'Mental injury' means an injury to the intellectual or psychological capacity of a child as evidenced by a discernible and substantial impairment in the ability to function within the normal range of performance and behavior.

'Neglect' occurs when a child is deprived of, or is allowed to be deprived of, necessary food, clothing, shelter, or medical treatment or a child is permitted to live in an environment when such deprivation or environment causes a child's physical, mental, or emotional health to be significantly impaired or to be in danger of being significantly impaired.


I didn't include the lengthy definition of sexual abuse.


Okay, I am going to try to explain again.

IF Cindy thought that Casey was an unfit mother, what led her to believe this? IF Cindy was lying to people about Casey being unfit, why would she do that?

We don't know what Cindy considered unfit. If a parent is not taking proper care of their child, and that child is in danger or injury, even if that parent lives with her parents, it can be reported, and could be followed up on.

For instance. If my daughter and grandchild lived with me, I come home from work, and my daughter is sloppy drunk or drugged and my grandchild being neglected, I just bet I could report this to the proper agency.

If my daughter was 'spanking' my granddaughter black and blue, I bet I could report that even if she lived in my house.

I am not saying that is the FACTS in this case...but Cindy is the one that to family and co workers that Casey was not properly taking care of Caylee..Casey herself said her mother considered her unfit...so apparently there was something there that concerned Cindy enough to share this with people, or Cindy just enjoyed being pitied and was lying about Casey.

It is just wrong that a grandparent cannot report their concerns of child abuse or neglect if the parent and the grandchild live in the same house.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes it is very expensive. When my mother passed, all five of us kids have to pay for it out of our pockets.

I have wondered who was paying for this as well. Poor little Caylee. :crying:

I know my coworkers grand baby passed and the funeral home covered all the charges.

[Motomom]

According to the report from the Body Farm, the body could not have been in the car after June 18th.

It didn't say that unperson. The body had been decomposing for 2.6 days IIRC..nothing about a date.

[Venus]

In all fairness, it was Rick saying that Caylee was dead that led to Cindy turning her back on him. There is no way she was ready to accept that fact in August. She couldn't accept it until the body was found.

I'm no fan of Cindys, but some of the things she is accused of doing, not doing, or planning are over the top and without basis in fact.

Rick knew Caylee was dead. He was trying to get Cindy to open her eyes, look at the facts, and stop acting like a moron on TV.

[Dunlurken]

According to the report from the Body Farm, the body could not have been in the car after June 18th.

How would they know that? Decomp takes quite a while if it turns to liquid fluids and seeps out of both a laundry bag and a plastic bag. JMO.

[ConchGirl]

Imagine the big poster they had at the press conference when Dr. G announced the remains were Caylee..only the big poster at the memorial is of Caylee and casey. :w00t::thumbdown:

Afterall...casey will get to see this 'event', gotta keep her happy.

I'll bet her hour of rec time will be a 10:00 on Tuesday. :wink:

[desmom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/10%20Lauren%20Gibbs%20Aug%201,%202008.pdf - Page 1

Lauren Gibbs: Uhm, I watched Caylee for probably about eight months. But this was more when she was younger, like the first eight months she was born.

[Tracian]

Just jumping in here quickly...George mentions that when they left on the 16th, Casey said she'd see them tomorrow as she was working late...why did no one question where she and Caylee were the next day when she didn't come home...or the next....or the next??? Just when did George learn that Casey had taken a trip to "bond" with Caylee??? I thought (and I could be wrong) that Cindy stated in some police interview that the Casey / Caylee bonding trip was a planned in advance thing...then when did that change to working in Tampa??? This is one thing that makes me question the George seeing them leave on the 16th story. :closedeyes:



Excellent point. That is the problem with the A's they cannot keep their stories straight, they change them on a whim.

That is the problem when you start lying, it is hard to keep track of what one said from one day to the next.

[ishkabibble]

It was Lauren, and Casey's always been a user obviously. I agree.

She is a user and like other users when she is caught she moves on to fresh territory. Jesse got pulled in and used, when it didn't work for her anymore, off she went. Lauren got used too, when that jig was up off to someone new. No guilt, no shame. there's always someone else to cozy up to and take advantage of... Amy was next in line. What is Casey's attitude about stealing form her? I was in a state of desperation, I didn't have a choice. People will have to understand that.

[KittyMom]

I have no idea. I'm not an insider. I just assume docs do favors for employees, and chances are even if Gentiva didn't do immunizations, Cindy has other associates or acquaintances in the field that do. Or she could get a referral.

Is your point that no nurse or other health care professional has ever received a treatment or a shot or a prescription as a favor from an employer or associate also in the profession? I find that impossible to believe.

My point is that detailed records must be kept for immunizations (and most certainly scripts) according to state regulations. I do not believe that the medical profession is so lax that nurses and docs can ignore policy and regulations for their own private barter system. Sheesh...is that why medical services are so expensive and insurance so costly? Are we "outsiders" paying for services for nurses and doctors who don't want to pay for services? I cerntainly hope not. I believe that the medical profession a just a bit more professional than that.

[Venus]

She knows no doctors, then?

I'm sure she knows "of" doctors, but to say that one would spot her immunizations to give to Caylee is stretching it a bit far.

Where would these records be maintained? Someone has to be the gatekeeper of the records so that Caylee would have them when she started school.

[need2no]

She knows no doctors, then?

Cindy is/was a clinical manager, not a home health nurse. Of course she knows doctors.

Perhaps that poster doesn't know Cindy's title.

[PuffDragon]

The delivery of the baby was covered. After that, she didn't return to work, so therefore, there wasn't any insurance.

I thought she worked for some months after that and then got fired because she stopped showing up?

[Neffy]

Imagine the big poster they had at the press conference when Dr. G announced the remains were Caylee..only the big poster at the memorial is of Caylee and casey. :w00t::thumbdown:

Afterall...casey will get to see this 'event', gotta keep her happy.

OMG! *THUD* I wouldn't put it past her. GEEZ! Now you have me riled hammer

[Unperson1984]

Insurance companies tend to want something from the college to varify that the child is a full time student. What would Casey have been able to produce?

Blue Cross allows us to keep our sons on our policy until they are 25 if they are full-time students, but they require a letter from the university every semester confirming their status.

[Puffybubble]

Okay, I am going to try to explain again.

IF Cindy thought that Casey was an unfit mother, what led her to believe this? IF Cindy was lying to people about Casey being unfit, why would she do that?

We don't know what Cindy considered unfit. If a parent is not taking proper care of their child, and that child is in danger or injury, even if that parent lives with her parents, it can be reported, and could be followed up on.

For instance. If my daughter and grandchild lived with me, I come home from work, and my daughter is sloppy drunk or drugged and my grandchild being neglected, I just bet I could report this to the proper agency.

If my daughter was 'spanking' my granddaughter black and blue, I bet I could report that even if she lived in my house.

I am not saying that is the FACTS in this case...but Cindy is the one that to family and co workers that Casey was not properly taking care of Caylee..Casey herself said her mother considered her unfit...so apparently there was something there that concerned Cindy enough to share this with people, or Cindy just enjoyed being pitied and was lying about Casey.

It is just wrong that a grandparent cannot report their concerns of child abuse or neglect if the parent and the grandchild live in the same house.
Couldn't George have called for help if he thought there was a reason?

He wasn't working and more than enough time on his hands. If he saw some major concern why could he not dial the phone?

Its not as if Cindy would have kicked him out, heck she may have agreed with his actions, maybe one time it was time for George to be the bad guy?

my opinions

[happy2bme]

... and since Cindy bought all of her lies, she would never have checked and Casey would be in the clear.


I have been thinking about this. In AH interviews...She and Casey were at a club and Casey got upset because Lee was coming to look for her. This was around the first of July. Why would he look for her if she was supposed to be in Jacksonville? So wouldn't this mean the A's didn't believe Casey?

[gaelicpeas]

According to the report from the Body Farm, the body could not have been in the car after June 18th.That is not necessarily true (although I agree it is most likely). The Body Farm report says that either a body decomposed in the trunk for 2.6 days post-mortem, OR a body that had been decomposing for 2.6 days somewhere else was then transported in the trunk to a new spot.

Either way, we do not know a time of death. Lots are assuming it was June 15 or 16, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that unless I missed it. It could have been the 15th or 16th, but could also have been several days later. JMO

JMO

[KittyMom]

Okay one thing we were discussing earlier was that Cindy allegedly convinced the grandmother not to press charges against Casey. Rick allegedly said this.

Was that proven true? If so, how?

Let's weigh what we know about cindy and rick

Cindy
lies
hides evidence
washes evidence


Rick
posts on message board

hmmmmm

[Daisy'sMom]

I have no idea. I'm not an insider. I just assume docs do favors for employees, and chances are even if Gentiva didn't do immunizations, Cindy has other associates or acquaintances in the field that do. Or she could get a referral.

Is your point that no nurse or other health care professional has ever received a treatment or a shot or a prescription as a favor from an employer or associate also in the profession? I find that impossible to believe.


I am a nurse, have worked in hospitals and drs offices. Yes, they do treat, write scripts and give shots as a courtesy to their associates and office staff.
As a home health nurse, I am sure she access to flu shots, but I think her access to immunizations would be limited.

[bchand]

I thought she worked for some months after that and then got fired because she stopped showing up?

You could be right about that Puff.

[Unperson1984]

It didn't say that unperson. The body had been decomposing for 2.6 days IIRC..nothing about a date.


True, but Caylee was never seen after the 16th of June.

[Venus]

It's not reasonable to assume she couldn't be referred to a pediatrician who would give her the shots at a low cost or at no cost, either.

I never said that she wouldn't or couldn't see a pediatrician.

When Caylee was born, she was assigned a pediatrician, if Casey hadn't already picked one out.

Why would you expect a doctor to immunize Caylee at low or no cost, just because her grandmother is a nurse? It just doesn't happen like that.

Do you have any idea how much immunizations cost the physician? They're quite expensive.

[need2no]

I'll bet her hour of rec time will be a 10:00 on Tuesday. :wink:


I don't know, Jose may want to attend the service (can't miss that camera time), and then he can give casey a personal viewing of the memorial via his laptop. Afterall someone needs to be there to console casey in her time of grief and sorrow, :cursing: and request another sedative for the poor girl. :angry:

[happy2bme]

And I tend to think until I remember that Annie stopped babysitting for Caylee because KC was not working and was hanging out with friends instead. She watched Caylee for more than a year if IIRC so how can that be true? To me it looks as if KC has been like this since atleast the time that Caylee was born. This is KC how she has always been just not the KC that she presented to Jesse or the KC that Jesse chose to see. IMO


I don't think that was Annie..I can't remember the correct name.

[?noanswer]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348746


New thread when everyone is ready to move over. JMO

[KittyMom]

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/10%20Lauren%20Gibbs%20Aug%201,%202008.pdf - Page 1

Lauren Gibbs: Uhm, I watched Caylee for probably about eight months. But this was more when she was younger, like the first eight months she was born.

Thank you for correcting me. It wasn't Christine. Sorry for posting the wrong name.

[Tracian]

Couldn't George have called for help if he thought there was a reason?

He wasn't working and more than enough time on his hands. If he saw some major concern why could he not dial the phone?

Its not as if Cindy would have kicked him out, heck she may have agreed with his actions, maybe one time it was time for George to be the bad guy?

my opinions


Cindy is the one that had concerns from what she told people. According to the emails between the family, it seems that George and Cindy only recently got back together.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Emails start pg 8

[Unperson1984]

Oh, I absolutely believe there will be pictures of Casey and Caylee together at that public memorial.

This is Cindy's best and biggest opportunity to "support" her grandbaby's murderer.

And if trouble starts, it could be for exactly that reason. No one wants to see pictures of Casey at Caylee's memorial.


That would be very tacky. Let's hope someone at the Church exercises a little common sense.

[SavannahStar]

Let's weigh what we know about cindy and rick

Cindy
lies
hides evidence
washes evidence


Rick
posts on message board

hmmmmm

No, Kitty, you can't do it that way.

Well, on a message board you can. But I like facts. As if I were sitting on a jury. I have no real proof that it was not Grandma's decision not to press charges against Casey.

[IM4Truth]

Okay, I am going to try to explain again.

IF Cindy thought that Casey was an unfit mother, what led her to believe this? IF Cindy was lying to people about Casey being unfit, why would she do that?

We don't know what Cindy considered unfit. If a parent is not taking proper care of their child, and that child is in danger or injury, even if that parent lives with her parents, it can be reported, and could be followed up on.

For instance. If my daughter and grandchild lived with me, I come home from work, and my daughter is sloppy drunk or drugged and my grandchild being neglected, I just bet I could report this to the proper agency.

If my daughter was 'spanking' my granddaughter black and blue, I bet I could report that even if she lived in my house.

I am not saying that is the FACTS in this case...but Cindy is the one that to family and co workers that Casey was not properly taking care of Caylee..Casey herself said her mother considered her unfit...so apparently there was something there that concerned Cindy enough to share this with people, or Cindy just enjoyed being pitied and was lying about Casey.

It is just wrong that a grandparent cannot report their concerns of child abuse or neglect if the parent and the grandchild live in the same house.

Okay, so I didn't get out of here on time. Most of us agree that Cindy should have done something but she didn't! No one knows what went on in that home but the Anthonys. Cindy was probably exaggerating the unfit mother part. If she really saw something I think she would have done something. She loved that little baby dearly. Anyone can report child abuse or neglect against children or the elderly whether they live in the same home or not. I could report it about my neighbor if I thought there was reason to do so.

Now everyone doesn't need to start yelling about Cindy lying and covering up for Casey after the fact because most of us agree on this too. So why does it all need to be repeated over and over?

[ishkabibble]

This is true. You HAVE to provide documentation that they are actually students....casey couldn't have just called them and said it. LOL

Been there. Done that.

my insurance covers children til age 23 regardless of whether they.are in school or not. Casey would have been covered if she were my child (the horror!!) but only her expenses. Caylee would have been un-insured and any expenses at birth that were directly for her would not have been covered, the pediatrician etc. If I had legal custody/guardianship of Caylee she would have been covered til age 23 under my policy.

[Venus]

My point is that detailed records must be kept for immunizations (and most certainly scripts) according to state regulations. I do not believe that the medical profession is so lax that nurses and docs can ignore policy and regulations for their own private barter system. Sheesh...is that why medical services are so expensive and insurance so costly? Are we "outsiders" paying for services for nurses and doctors who don't want to pay for services? I cerntainly hope not. I believe that the medical profession a just a bit more professional than that.

Exactly!

I have tried to get that point across, but there are some that just don't get it.

Lot numbers and expiration dates have to be documented.

And in order to enroll a child in school, you have to provide proof of immunizations. Where would that come from if Cindy gave them herself?

The immunizations are very expensive also.

[Neffy]

Let's weigh what we know about cindy and rick

Cindy
lies
hides evidence
washes evidence


Rick
posts on message board

hmmmmm


Rick even clarifies his posts as to why he's posting and get this. It's the same thing that's in his emails that had been made public. WHOaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! The only thing added is he DID confirm the fight between Cindy and Casey. That was it.

[KittyMom]

Couldn't George have called for help if he thought there was a reason?

He wasn't working and more than enough time on his hands. If he saw some major concern why could he not dial the phone?

Its not as if Cindy would have kicked him out, heck she may have agreed with his actions, maybe one time it was time for George to be the bad guy?

my opinions

When G and C got back together he handed over the family jewels and she kept them in a locked box with the key around her neck. G didn't blink without her instructions.

(And no, there is no documentation to this. Simply my opinion of the marital dynamics of said individuals.)

[Dunlurken]

My point is that detailed records must be kept for immunizations (and most certainly scripts) according to state regulations. I do not believe that the medical profession is so lax that nurses and docs can ignore policy and regulations for their own private barter system. Sheesh...is that why medical services are so expensive and insurance so costly? Are we "outsiders" paying for services for nurses and doctors who don't want to pay for services? I cerntainly hope not. I believe that the medical profession a just a bit more professional than that.

I have a friend who is a "physicians assistant" and travels to different homes administering drugs, etc. She was able to "take" so much stuff she ended up in rehab herself. JMO.

[Tracian]

Only in the minds of certain un-named posters. imo



Well someone has gotten paid, and somehow the A's are paying their bills without either working.

So there...I am named.

[Unperson1984]

IA- there are alot of posters who think that when all this was happening that Caylee was already dead. Caylee could have been alive right up until KC dumped the car at Amscot. We have no TOD or anything even relatively close to saying exactly when this child was murdered. IMO


Where could she have been?

[Venus]

Cindy is/was a clinical manager, not a home health nurse. Of course she knows doctors.

Perhaps that poster doesn't know Cindy's title.

Perhaps YOU don't know what a clinical manager is.

Cindy works for Gentiva. Gentiva is a home health agency. A Clinical Manager IS a position in home health, and a Clinical Manager is a position filled by an RN.

[Puffybubble]

Cindy is the one that had concerns from what she told people. According to the emails between the family, it seems that George and Cindy only recently got back together.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Emails start pg 8

Well, if you consider 2 and a half years back together as recent. They separated after Caylees birth and got back months later.

[Dunlurken]

Well someone has gotten paid, and somehow the A's are paying their bills without either working.

So there...I am named.

I was wondering about this last night too. Who is paying their mortgage and car payments? :confused:

[bama__angel]

Okay, so I didn't get out of here on time. Most of us agree that Cindy should have done something but she didn't! No one knows what went on in that home but the Anthonys. Cindy was probably exaggerating the unfit mother part. If she really saw something I think she would have done something. She loved that little baby dearly. Anyone can report child abuse or neglect against children or the elderly whether they live in the same home or not. I could report it about my neighbor if I thought there was reason to do so.

Now everyone doesn't need to start yelling about Cindy lying and covering up for Casey after the fact because most of us agree on this too. So why does it all need to be repeated over and over?


It does absolutely no good to keep repeating this............just as it does no good to say that Cindy should have called LE or CPS much much earlier than she did when she didnt see Caylee for 30 days........Sadly for Caylee the evidence points to her being killed probably on june 16th.

[Venus]

And who can blame him for piping up? Even in public?

I'm sure he was trying in his unelegant way to wake Cindy up. I'm sure he was also beside himself to think that Caylee was gone ... at Casey's hand. And I'm also confident frustrations had been building for years in that extended family because Cindy insisted on covering for lying, thieving Casey.

Savannah Star obviously has a problem with Rick's honesty.

I don't. I commend him for trying to get justice for Caylee.

[KittyMom]

No, Kitty, you can't do it that way.

Well, on a message board you can. But I like facts. As if I were sitting on a jury. I have no real proof that it was not Grandma's decision not to press charges against Casey.

You have no real proof that it was Grandma's decision to not press charges.

[happy2bme]

Just jumping in here quickly...George mentions that when they left on the 16th, Casey said she'd see them tomorrow as she was working late...why did no one question where she and Caylee were the next day when she didn't come home...or the next....or the next??? Just when did George learn that Casey had taken a trip to "bond" with Caylee??? I thought (and I could be wrong) that Cindy stated in some police interview that the Casey / Caylee bonding trip was a planned in advance thing...then when did that change to working in Tampa??? This is one thing that makes me question the George seeing them leave on the 16th story. :closedeyes:

Wow...I think Cindy did say that! Great catch!

[?noanswer]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348746

New thread. I pm'd CW to make it a sticky and close this one. Just a headsup in case she closes and you can't post. JMO

[Dunlurken]

It does absolutely no good to keep repeating this............just as it does no good to say that Cindy should have called LE or CPS much much earlier than she did when she didnt see Caylee for 30 days........Sadly for Caylee the evidence points to her being killed probably on june 16th.

Will that work in court? "Probably on June 16th?" We have no TOD, no COD. MOD is homicide.

[Tracian]

Well, if you consider 2 and a half years back together as recent. They separated after Caylees birth and got back months later.



Well apparently, reading the emails, life was not rosey...two in a half years of strife from what it appears.

And yes, that is rather 'recent' considering that the raw emotion is still pretty fresh.

[Remy]

I wouldn't take that chance. Given the high profile nature of this case and the hatred toward the Anthonys.

I respectfully disagree Savannah. Many people may dislike the A's but this day is, or should be about Caylee, and I have faith that the people who attend will be there for Caylee.

Unfortunately, by making the statement that some people won't be able to attend it makes it about the A's once again and I think if they are so distrusting of the public then they shouldn't have anything public.

They really need better spokespeople imo.

[Dunlurken]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348746

New thread. I pm'd CW to make it a sticky and close this one. Just a headsup in case she closes and you can't post. JMO
Thanks. I'm playing major catch up today. JMO.

This is what I like so much about these boards. All in all, we're a pretty good group of people and can discuss and debate intelligently. Other boards don't have a daily thread, which is badly needed. JMO.

Heading over to the new thread.

[Tracian]

Paying their bills doesn't equate to "capitalizing off of the death of their grandaughter."


IMO, if they are selling anything Caylee, then it is nothing but blood money.

OF course again, I am not saying it is a fact, because it cannot be confirmed who got paid what.

[Venus]

Holy moly, THANK YOU. (And to happy2 as well.)

I can't believe I'm debating about whether Cindy could get another health care professional to give Caylee her immunizations for low or no cost.

It's got nothing to do with "under the radar" ... just the cost involved. That's how this conversation I wish I'd never joined got started, fgs. :rolleyes:


You are obviously in a debate you know nothing about.

[Puffybubble]

Well apparently, reading the emails, life was not rosey...two in a half years of strife from what it appears.

And yes, that is rather 'recent' considering that the raw emotion is still pretty fresh.

Well, we can disagree, two and a half years is not recently.

However, how much respect would you have for a man who wont get a job?

my opinions

[Venus]

My kid's records have the lot number of the immunization, the brand of the immunization, the date and the doctors signature.


Thank you.

[KittyMom]

My kid's records have the lot number of the immunization, the brand of the immunization, the date and the doctors signature.

No only that, but the CDC in Atlanta has records that trace where each and every vial comes from and goes to. Doctors are held accountable for every one.

[happy2bme]

It's ok- my whole point was that even as far back as the first friend (whichever one it was) that was babysitting Caylee, that KC had this irresponsible behavior going on. I first wanted to believe that she was a decent person up until she met TonE and thought that she needed to be someone else for him, that is not the case. She was a jerk of a mother and friend from the birth of Caylee. IMO


ITA Lomar!

[WillowInFlight]

Let's hope the A's aren't tacky enough to hang pictures of the alleged murderer in the church.

I think you can count on it . IMO

[CC I See]

I have been thinking about this. In AH interviews...She and Casey were at a club and Casey got upset because Lee was coming to look for her. This was around the first of July. Why would he look for her if she was supposed to be in Jacksonville? So wouldn't this mean the A's didn't believe Casey?... I don't think Lee told his parents what Casey was doing and kept quiet.

[Venus]

Very true, very true. BUT I have a hard time accepting that Cindy would have any kind of relationship with a Dr. in her capacity. It would be the same as if you were an insurance benefits person that had to call the Dr. for things. They would no more get a professional consideration from the Dr. than any average layperson. The only time I've seen "special favors" from a Dr. is if you work closely with them and even then I can't imagine them signing off on immunizations.

Me either Lavenia!

I'm a nurse too, and what that poster is suggesting is the most outrageous suggestion I've ever hear!

[KittyMom]

Please don't say we're not "getting it." I get you just fine. You are ignoring my point that Cindy could have arranged for no or low cost immunizations from a doctor. All above board, simply no cost.

Those immunizations cost someone. Are you suggesting that the doc would absorb the cost him/herself? That's a pretty big favor to ask someone over a nearly 3 year period.

[5boxersmom]

I think you can count on it . IMO

I think so too Willow.

jmo

[Unperson1984]

Will that work in court? "Probably on June 16th?" We have no TOD, no COD. MOD is homicide.

The 16th is also the last time Casey claims to have seen Caylee. So either you believe there really is a nanny, or Caylee died on June 16th.

Considering it would look better for Casey if it had been only a week or two since her child had disappeared, I'm inclined to believe her on this matter.

[Tracian]

Well, we can disagree, two and a half years is not recently.

However, how much respect would you have for a man who wont get a job?

my opinions



I think the entire A family is off the charts, and I don't really have any respect for any of them.

[Dunlurken]

New thread guys. Come on over. JMO. :seeya:

[KittyMom]

You're missing the point, Lavenia. Cindy could have access to a doctor that would do the exam, shots, the works -- all nice and above board, with medical records all organized and filed appropriately -- at no cost. That was my only point.

My gosh I don't know how these discussions get so far off in the weeds at times. :blink:

The only way it would be at reduced cost OR no cost is if Casey could prove a financial burden.

[Daffodil]

Oh, I absolutely believe there will be pictures of Casey and Caylee together at that public memorial.

This is Cindy's best and biggest opportunity to "support" her grandbaby's murderer.

And if trouble starts, it could be for exactly that reason. No one wants to see pictures of Casey at Caylee's memorial.

Acutally, if trouble starts, it will be becuase of pretty dumb acitoins by some pretty dumb and selfish people, on either side.

This should be a memorial for Caylee period. It's not for us to decide what it is either. We could throw out our opinions but we really have no say in how it is done.

[Mandysmom]

You forgot Murt:tonguewag:
Not to mention all of us. :w00t:

[summer4meplz]

I notived over on the BH web site that the Moderator found out a bunch of "Murt" groupies were chatting about sneaking in cell phone/cameras. She reported them to Conway via e-mail.

how on earth is cindy going to be able to control that? strip search the mourners?

[Loves2Read]

Paying their bills doesn't equate to "capitalizing off of the death of their grandaughter."

So it's OK as long as they only use the money to pay bills? I don't believe that dog will hunt. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

Not to mention all of us. :w00t:

I had forgotten all about Murt. LOL has he gotten married yet?

[Neffy]

Perhaps YOU don't know what a clinical manager is.

Cindy works for Gentiva. Gentiva is a home health agency. A Clinical Manager IS a position in home health, and a Clinical Manager is a position filled by an RN.

The point was she was in the office not out on the road.

[need2no]

The point was she was in the office not out on the road.

THANK YOU Neffy, YOU got my point....good to know some don't have comprehension problems.

[summer4meplz]

Only in the minds of certain un-named posters. imo


before Caylee's death......they were in financial trouble.....

after Caylee's death....they don't have to work any more...but apparently all their bills are being paid somehow......

it's not in certain unnamed posters minds......it's a mystery....

[happy2bme]

Me either Lavenia!

I'm a nurse too, and what that poster is suggesting is the most outrageous suggestion I've ever hear!


Say is a good poster here. I think she was merely saying that Cindy "could have" got her shots at little or no cost since she is/was a nurse. I have been to the dr with a friend once and he gave me a B12 shot at no cost. I also have a friend who works for a hospital and had surgery. There was no charge for her hospital stay.

[happy2bme]

Not to mention all of us. :w00t:


LOL MM. You are right.:tongue:

[Dunlurken]

Oh c'mon SayWhat! I was just recounting the *usual* scenario. Your account could certainly be valid also. We're cool. :wub:

There's a new thread. Come on over.

[TisMeAgain]

Let's weigh what we know about cindy and rick

Cindy
lies
hides evidence
washes evidence


Rick
posts on message board

hmmmmm

I'm gonna go with....Rick! I'll tell you why. Everything he said in his post turned out to be true.

[Neffy]

Oh c'mon SayWhat! I was just recounting the *usual* scenario. Your account could certainly be valid also. We're cool. :wub:

You da coolest :w00t:

Hey Saywhat,

Cindy would carry no more weight in this area as we would. If we knew a pediatrician we may able to get a discount but the paperwork and associated costs would still be there. (I happen to know the nurse of one LOL)

:seeya:

[Venus]

Say is a good poster here. I think she was merely saying that Cindy "could have" got her shots at little or no cost since she is/was a nurse. I have been to the dr with a friend once and he gave me a B12 shot at no cost. I also have a friend who works for a hospital and had surgery. There was no charge for her hospital stay.

B12 is cheap. I can believe he would give that to you at no charge.

Did the doctor own the hospital? If not, I don't believe your friend had surgery and didn't pay for her hospital stay.

[happy2bme]

B12 is cheap. I can believe he would give that to you at no charge.

Did the doctor own the hospital? If not, I don't believe your friend had surgery and didn't pay for her hospital stay.

Nope. She does work for the hospital. She was there for 2 days. She did have to pay her Dr fees but not for her stay.

[Venus]

Nope. She does work for the hospital. She was there for 2 days. She did have to pay her Dr fees but not for her stay.


Ok, hearing it that way, I can buy that.

ETA: I had read your initial post backward. I read that she worked for the doctor, and her hospital stay was free.

Sorry for the confusion.

[happy2bme]

Ok, hearing it that way, I can buy that.

ETA: I had read your initial post backward. I read that she worked for the doctor, and her hospital stay was free.

Sorry for the confusion.

No problem. It's easy to get confused on these boards. LOL:smile:

[happygert]

before Caylee's death......they were in financial trouble.....

after Caylee's death....they don't have to work any more...but apparently all their bills are being paid somehow......

it's not in certain unnamed posters minds......it's a mystery....

Exactly.......looks like there finances have greatly improved since Caylee's death.. or should I since Caylee went "missing" ...no one working but yet bills being paid...imagine that.. Im guessing the bracelets with ' "Caylee Marie Anthony In our Hearts forever" were more then likely were made to sell.....jmho...If not then why the whole name...why not just have Caylee in out hearts forever? or ..in loving memory of Caylee?

[Barbara fl.]

Who says there will be protestors there? I have never even heard of a public memorial where certain people are not welcome. That is just crazy. This is more a private memorial for the anthonys supporters then a public one. The anthonys again have shown their true colors.


Certain people can be asked to please not attend...At the memorial for Laci and Conner Peterson, Sharon Rocha requested that Amber not attend as well as the Peterson's...they didn't feel it to be appropriate...I think I would have done the same thing.....However, she can not stop anyone from attending in a public place....

I would expect, out of respect at a time like this that anyone who would be asked not to attend, that they would honor the request....JMOO