Thursday, Feb. 5th. - Part I

[IM4Truth]

I am really leaning towards Caylee telling Cindy something Casey had done to her on the 15th and if there was a fight between them, that's what it was about. I don't think it was about the grandparents money. I think this is why she didn't tell about Caylee missing for 31 days. She knew Cindy would have known she had done something to Caylee. So she invented the nanny. Make sense?

Those few weeks just prior to June 15th was Casey staying at home or bouncing from friend to friend? I thought I heard in one of the testimonies or read something that when Cindy visited her dad that day, she found out that the bill had not been paid at the ALF. By the time she figured it out, she was probably fuming. Add to that, she DID have Caylee alone for quite a while that day, so Cindy probably was grilling Caylee and trying to get as much out of her as she could. I'm guessing it was both, the fight about the money and something Caylee said.

[BJames]

That fits so well SayWhat!

Mistakes were made,
Others will be blamed.

Sad but true...and anyone within throwing distance of the Anthony tree must be prepared for the wrath.
It seems to have worked for them thus far, until the chance that they may turn on each other. Mamma Cindy has Lee home now, silly George went outside of the circle and lost his mind (!!) And the Princess everyone strove to 'protect'...will not speak to any one of them now.
And the one who truly lost in it all...is still waiting to be buried.
It's like Caylee Marie is just an after thought....

Just my opinion of course...

[need2no]

I don't agree with all the Cindy bashing of "could have, would have, should have". Yes, she made her choices but I'm sure she had no eartlhy idea that Casey would ever harm Caylee. Caylee is dead now only because of one person Casey Marie Anthony. She made THAT choice.

Granted hindsight has 20/20 vision, and the A's had no way of knowing their own daughter might kill their granddaughter some day, even if they were confident she was capable of such a horrendous act, and even if she made such threats. But realistically do parents only step forward to protect their grandchild if they fear the child may be murdered or otherwise physically abused by the parent? Shouldn't they take a stand and immediately intervene when they have legitimate concerns about the grandchild's welfare in general, not just concerns or fear of their life being taken. Seems this would be second nature when the mother and child reside in your home and you are able to observe things 1st hand. If the gp's become involved and take the proper steps early on when things aren't going well, maybe this would prevent something worse like an unnatural death from being a possibility in the child's future.

[girlspell]

With Casey, who knows? I suppose it depends on how important she thought it was to see a doctor.
Of course it is a reasonable assumption that she didn't, but still an assumption. I can assume that she may have gone for one checkup to a walk-in clinic, or to an OB and paid cash (often a doctor will lower his price for an office visit when the patient has no insurance), or used a health card 'borrowed' from one of her friends. I have no doubt that Casey knows all the angles. Now do I think this happened? No, not really. But it's not an unreasonable assumption. No more than the assumption of having no prenatal care.

As I said earlier this morning, how did no one in that house have any inkling that she had some kind of issue? How could Nurse Cindy look at her getting rounder every week and not wonder why her 'female problems' weren't being taken care of? Wouldn't she eventually get worried enough to insist on going with her to one of her doctor's appointments?
We don't know anything. I wish we knew if Cindy made sure Casey had prenatals during those last two months at least. But who knows for sure? :shrug:

There is the chance that Casey never had any prenatal care. Lots of teens do that when they hide their pregnancy. Casey's mom was a nurse. I'm sure she knew what to do and who to see during Casey's last two months. Casey had Caylee after the age 0f 18, so I'm not sure Cindy had any insurance that would have covered. Perhaps Cindy simply checked out and took care of Casey during that time. She never had to go to a clinic.

[happygert]

Again, I don't think it is bashing to review what we know about this family their actions before Caylee went missing, they way the behaved and out and out lied to LE, and the current immunity requests now.

I am sure Cindy didn't think that Casey would murder Caylee...but she certainly knew that Casey was unfit, and told people her daughter was a sociopath.

Exactly! why didnt she do something when she was whining about how unfit casey was? IMO because she really didnt want Caylee 24/7....moo

Heck go thru timeline and see exactly how much time cindy could have spent with Caylee on a daily basis...NOT much imo... cindy left for work around 7:30-8:00 she got home around 5:30- 6:00 and Caylees betime was what 7 or 8.. how much time did cindy spend with Caylee? and don't forgot she had to cook in between those hours.....moo

[Puffybubble]

They don't take children from their mother's because of domestic issues with the grandparents. I've never seen that happen in all my years working in social work. But then, you all seem to know different. :thumbdown:

You are right. Its not easy to take a child away, its so costly, and maybe if Cindy was not the only breadwinner in the home, maybe they would have had money to fight Casey, but sadly thats not what happened. Maybe if George hadn't blown 30 thousand dollars they could have fought for Caylee. I am inclined to believe that probably is eating George.

my opinion

[Tracian]

They don't take children from their mother's because of domestic issues with the grandparents. I've never seen that happen in all my years working in social work. But then, you all seem to know different. :thumbdown:


Well maybe that is why so many kids die in abusive homes, with attitudes like yours should you really be in that line of work.

Casey could be charged, even if she is related to the people she steals from. Cindy as a nurse is also a mandated reporter, if she is telling people that Casey is an unfit mother and a sociopath, why didn't she make a cps report?

[happygert]

Granted hindsight has 20/20 vision, and the A's had no way of knowing their own daughter might kill their granddaughter some day, even if they were confident she was capable of such a horrendous act, and even if she made such threats. But realistically do parents only step forward to protect their grandchild if they fear the child may be murdered or otherwise physically abused by the parent? Shouldn't they take a stand and immediately intervene when they have legitimate concerns about the grandchild's welfare in general, not just concerns or fear of their life being taken. Seems this would be second nature when the mother and child reside in your home and you are able to observe things 1st hand. If the gp's become involved and take the proper steps early on when things aren't going well, maybe this would prevent something worse like an unnatural death from being a possibility in the child's future.


ITA n2n.....

[PuffDragon]

right. We've not had evidence that she did or did not receive care. Do I see Casey going to regular visits, taking vitamins, eating healthy and yet not telling her parents she having a baby...no. Also, how would she have paid for this care? I don't see her charging this to Cindy's health insurance and Cindy not questioning it. As for state benefits, I'm thinking one has to include all household income to receive benefits. Not sure Casey would qualify when considering her parents' income. Also, she's have to ask them for income records to turn in to the state. Wouoldn't they wonder why?

I'm sure Casey would've worked some angle if she had really wanted to get care. There are ways. I just can't see her bothering. But again, nothing but guesswork on my part.

[KatieKates]

Well maybe that is why so many kids die in abusive homes, with attitudes like yours should you really be in that line of work.

Casey could be charged, even if she is related to the people she steals from. Cindy as a nurse is also a mandated reporter, if she is telling people that Casey is an unfit mother and a sociopath, why didn't she make a cps report?


I think the personal attack is uncalled for, but if that's how you get your point across so be it. The system doesn't remove children who aren't beaten and are well taken care of from their mothers whether you like it or not it's not up to YOU. Hate the game, not the player. Great post, by the way.

[IM4Truth]

No my niece's teacher wrapped duct tape around her mouth all around her hair for talking in class.. Made her go like that all day.. Didnt even take it off at lunchtime 10 minutes before school was out she took it off Mindy.. when Mindy got home my brother went ballistic...even took some of her skin..HE was PIZZED call cops took her to police station they took pics called dcfs on the teacher went to board of ed...went to principals house and every board members house that night... Lets just say he won the lawsuit against school and teacher. she was in 3rd grade.....

and I hope the story ended that the teacher lost her job along with her credentials for ever teaching again! I love that he went to each school board member's home that night!

[KatieKates]

You are right. Its not easy to take a child away, its so costly, and maybe if Cindy was not the only breadwinner in the home, maybe they would have had money to fight Casey, but sadly thats not what happened. Maybe if George hadn't blown 30 thousand dollars they could have fought for Caylee. I am inclined to believe that probably is eating George.

my opinion

Very well thought out post. Thank you for replying.

[PuffDragon]

good lord, could you imagine her getting some ashes out of a BBQ pit, putting them in an urn and telling Cindy, "Here's Caylee"........I know it sounds so unspeakable but that is something she would do.

*Bolding mine

Yes, yes I can.:crying:

[need2no]

They don't take children from their mother's because of domestic issues with the grandparents. I've never seen that happen in all my years working in social work. But then, you all seem to know different. :thumbdown:

Domestic issues with the grandparents? :confused:

Is this how you would catergorize being unemployed and leaving everyday pretending to be employed, lying, stealing, sleeping around with a variety of men in a brief period of time, sometimes with the toddler in tow?

[openminded]

I agree! That whole thing is down right nutso! Doesn't pass the smell test. Okay, say Casey convinced Cindy that it was a "female problem". I would even MORE have her to the HOSPITAL, not the Dr., because if my young daughter had a tumor in her belly the size of a 7 month pregnancy, we WOULD get to the bottom of it! I feel like Cindy HAD to know, even if in denial that it was pregnancy or she would have to have thought Casey's live was in extreme danger and there is no evidence she sought treatment for an illness for Casey's expanding belly.

I think Cindy did know but, as usual, lied to everyone else and pretended she didn't know. Somewhere (and I have no idea where it was) I thought I read a statement by Cindy, or heard her say in a video, that she knew Casey was pregnant and was waiting for her to come to her and tell her. Of course, there are so many "facts" running through my brain that I may be imagining that.

But I firmly believe that Cindy knew. She's not THAT stupid. IMO.

[KatieKates]

Domestic issues with the grandparents? :confused:

Is this how you would catergorize being unemployed and leaving everyday pretending to be employed, lying, stealing, sleeping around with a variety of men in a brief period of time, sometimes with the toddler in tow?

That wasn't Cindy's fault. She was helping as much as she could. More than most gp's help out, actually.

[happygert]

Well maybe that is why so many kids die in abusive homes, with attitudes like yours should you really be in that line of work.

Casey could be charged, even if she is related to the people she steals from. Cindy as a nurse is also a mandated reporter, if she is telling people that Casey is an unfit mother and a sociopath, why didn't she make a cps report?


Excatly... No thats why the kids get lost in the cracks they just sit back and do nothing for the child...then you get social workers who are supposed to be checking on kids that never do and make reports that they did...Just like boy whos been missing for over 10 years did anyone every check on him? What about the little girl who was in foster care in Fl..Social worker said she checked on her finally after what 1 yr or 2 they figured out no one checked on her and they still havent found her body yet to my knowlegde...moo

[margaritaville]

I don't agree with all the Cindy bashing of "could have, would have, should have". Yes, she made her choices but I'm sure she had no eartlhy idea that Casey would ever harm Caylee. Caylee is dead now only because of one person Casey Marie Anthony. She made THAT choice.


ITA Casey made the choice to kill Caylee..
But Cindy made the choice to lie and cover up for Casey..
they both make me sick!!

MOO

[Texas Native]

I don't think Casey knows who the father is. I really doubt the Anthonys want the father involved (if known) what so ever especially now; He might take away their power and MONEY !!!

[bchand]

There is the chance that Casey never had any prenatal care. Lots of teens do that when they hide their pregnancy. Casey's mom was a nurse. I'm sure she knew what to do and who to see during Casey's last two months. Casey had Caylee after the age 0f 18, so I'm not sure Cindy had any insurance that would have covered. Perhaps Cindy simply checked out and took care of Casey during that time. She never had to go to a clinic.

Cindy claimed that Casey's job covered the pregnancy/birth IIRC.

[WillowInFlight]

I also think Casey was just a little frightened of Cindy.

I think it worked both ways.

[Tracian]

I think the personal attack is uncalled for, but if that's how you get your point across so be it. The system doesn't remove children who aren't beaten and are well taken care of from their mothers whether you like it or not it's not up to YOU. Hate the game, not the player. Great post, by the way.


And you attacks on me and others were just fine?

IF Casey was held accountable for the theft, she could be arrested. I don't know what state you are in, but yes, the system will remove children from homes even if they are not being beaten, neglect is another reason to remove a child from the custody of a parent. IF Cindy was the sole support for this child, and she felt Casey was unfit due to her actions, her unemployment, her lack of care for Caylee...she most certainly could have made a report with CPS.

The point is, that they complained, but no effort was made to correct the situation.

[KatieKates]

Excatly... No thats why the kids get lost in the cracks they just sit back and do nothing for the child...then you get social workers who are supposed to be checking on kids that never do and make reports that they did...Just like boy whos been missing for over 10 years did anyone every check on him? What about the little girl who was in foster care in Fl..Social worker said she checked on her finally after what 1 yr or 2 they figured out no one checked on her and they still havent found her body yet to my knowlegde...moo

I don't think a social worker was ever assigned a case involving Caylee, so what is your point here? You do realize we're discussing Caylee Anthony, right?

[PuffDragon]

i could see conway asking for an order of protection for deposition testimony - eg so that the depostions are taken in private setting and the transcripts not made public (in response to the announcement by zanaida's atty that he would hold a "public" deposition with the media present, iirc)

Yes, it turns out that's what he meant. It wasn't to be against the lawyer personally, but against the open access that he wanted. Anyway it hasn't happened, it's a last resort tactic.

[KatieKates]

And you attacks on me and others were just fine?

IF Casey was held accountable for the theft, she could be arrested. I don't know what state you are in, but yes, the system will remove children from homes even if they are not being beaten, neglect is another reason to remove a child from the custody of a parent. IF Cindy was the sole support for this child, and she felt Casey was unfit due to her actions, her unemployment, her lack of care for Caylee...she most certainly could have made a report with CPS.

The point is, that they complained, but no effort was made to correct the situation.

I think that's the problem, you're taking my opinions as attacks when they are directed at this case only. I never said anything personal to you, et al. I'll reply to you when you want to discuss the case again.

[Dtviewer3]

Granted hindsight has 20/20 vision, and the A's had no way of knowing their own daughter might kill their granddaughter some day, even if they were confident she was capable of such a horrendous act, and even if she made such threats. But realistically do parents only step forward to protect their grandchild if they fear the child may be murdered or otherwise physically abused by the parent? Shouldn't they take a stand and immediately intervene when they have legitimate concerns about the grandchild's welfare in general, not just concerns or fear of their life being taken. Seems this would be second nature when the mother and child reside in your home and you are able to observe things 1st hand. If the gp's become involved and take the proper steps early on when things aren't going well, maybe this would prevent something worse like an unnatural death from being a possibility in the child's future.


Wow need2no, common sense.

Very refreshing!!!!!!!:wub:

[eastside joe]

But Cindy and George now know that everything Casey had told them was a lie..
I mean Casey told them she was with Zanny from the 16-20 then in Tampa until the 24th ......they know that is not true........
Wasn't it during that time the gas cans were stolen from her and the video of her and TonE at the video rental store??
I mean, C'mon they have to know by now that as much as Cindy wanted the police to think that Zanny is either Amy or Jesse that actually Zanny is Casey...

I think they are heartbroken also.......I think they loved Caylee very much........ George was willing to kill himself to be with her again......Speaks volumes to me on his love for Caylee.

I am waiting for the day that they publicly admit that they believe Casey killed Caylee...........

MOO

George was willing to kill himself to be with Caylee? Puhleez!!! I'm from the show-me state. Don't tell me show me. He never had any intention IMO. Loving Caylee very much. Puhleez!!! Then know who the heck the nanny is who supposedly was watching your granddaughter the past year and a half. IMO

[Tracian]

I don't think a social worker was ever assigned a case involving Caylee, so what is your point here? You do realize we're discussing Caylee Anthony, right?



In CA if a report is made, a Social Worker is assigned to check the allegations.

The point is moot because no one took the time to do everything to protect Caylee if Casey as thought by her mother was unfit.

[PuffDragon]

I wonder... if fabric gloves were used - would a 'fabric print' be matchable if say, they found the gloves at the Anthony's house...

wouldn't prove which one of them did it, but it's an interesting thought.

Yes, a very interesting thought. But also, thinking about a fabric-type glove..... what if something got on the fabric, some kind of fluids..........?

[Stella Rose]

I have figured for a while the reason why they never confronted Casey was because they were 'afraid' of her, not physically...but they never wanted to upset the apple cart.

Respectfully snipped to address - I have lived with someone who has a very similar personality to Casey. He was quite charming and had an amazing ability to use people at will (27 years old and never had a car - didn't need one - people took him everywhere).

He wold hold a job for 6 months at the most, then leech off people (mainly me). He also had a horrible temper and would throw 'fits' (like a 2 year old having a temper-tantrum) if he did not get his way.

At some point it becomes easier to just give in and let them have their way. It's pathetic, I know - but when your are in a dysfunctional relationship, it's hard to see it. In my experience (with this user), things built slowly over time - he didn't start out as bad as he ended, and if he pushed too far, he'd turn on the charm and be the most loving, wonderful man around.

Hopefully this was not too far off-topic, but I can certainly see why the Anthonys would go along with Casey's BS just to keep the peace. I admit that I did - for that exact reason.

I must also add that in my situation, there were no children involved.

[PuffDragon]

I posted the link....it's real close....lol

Yeah, I saw that, thanks. (Hours behind all the time)

[Tracian]

I think that's the problem, you're taking my opinions as attacks when they are directed at this case only. I never said anything personal to you, et al. I'll reply to you when you want to discuss the case again.


I am discussing the case. You offered your profession as being something that gives you more insight, I have the right to question that insight as you used it in your argument.

Regardless, your posts have been snarky, and eventually you will get replies that reflect that.

[KittyMom]

Casey already had a stolen from her grandparents...she was not working, and was not supporting her child.

How do you know that Cindy would not have 'won', she didn't even try.

In fact, a smart atty would've used the theft from the grandparents to their advantage in a custody fight. Had Cindy not covered for Casey (again), charges could've been brought and that certainly would've not gained favor for Casey in the eyes of a judge. And had Cindy not wanted Casey to face jail, she simply could've held the threat over Casey's head until she signed custody of Caylee over to Cindy.

[need2no]

You are right. Its not easy to take a child away, its so costly, and maybe if Cindy was not the only breadwinner in the home, maybe they would have had money to fight Casey, but sadly thats not what happened. Maybe if George hadn't blown 30 thousand dollars they could have fought for Caylee. I am inclined to believe that probably is eating George.

my opinion

I agree it is expensive, but major expense comes into play if the parent of the child is fighting to retain custody. If you have 2 high dollar attorneys going tooth and nail to win for their client many additional costs are involved...such as PI's, independent home studies, and depositions of witnesses. In this situation casey would not have been able to afford a high dollar attorney or all the bells and whistles to fight Cindy, and I think the battle (if there was one), would have been won fairly easy by Cindy and George. At the very least the court would have given them guardianship rights over Caylee.

Not that I think Cindy would have been a good choice for raising Caylee, mind you.

[margaritaville]

Is it interesting? We have the Trenor case, Baby Grace and a conviction very quickly, LWOP. A national case, where people lost sleep over who this poor child, found in a walmart container washed up on galvaston bay.
Or thereabouts, Im not a texan. Lots of coverage, lots of worry for this child, sketches even which broke this case wide open.
A conviciton and an abusive horrible POS "mother" and "step father" who abused her horribly. Just a little tot! fgs :rose:

Then, we have Casey. Who thinks she is a special case, and will never go to prison for LWOP for the heinous murder of her child. In her dreams.
The privacy issues in this case do worry me. But I do think if Casey A ever walked among us again, someone would make sure that she didnt.

Two cases of extreme child abuse and violence, domestic violence and infanticide. Two very different outcomes? I hope not. But I worry.

Kat


Excellent post!! totally agree!!

Bolding mine: I really don't think we will have different outcomes.
I think there is enough evidence to convict Casey of first degree murder.

MOO

[KatieKates]

I am discussing the case. You offered your profession as being something that gives you more insight, I have the right to question that insight as you used it in your argument.

Regardless, your posts have been snarky, and eventually you will get replies that reflect that.

Bring it on, just refrain from personally attacking me and we'll be just fine. Back to the case....

[margaritaville]

George was willing to kill himself to be with Caylee? Puhleez!!! I'm from the show-me state. Don't tell me show me. He never had any intention IMO. Loving Caylee very much. Puhleez!!! Then know who the heck the nanny is who supposedly was watching your granddaughter the past year and a half. IMO


I agree there is no Zanny.....

But I do believe that George loved Caylee.
Sorry you disagree Joe........
Show you?? Show you what?? You need George dead to prove his love for his granddughter?? :ohmy:

[happygert]

That wasn't Cindy's fault. She was helping as much as she could. More than most gp's help out, actually.

WRONG!....IMO cindy was glad to have casey and Caylee out from under her feet... Most grandparents would have known the babysitter had phone number and knew where she lived.. Most Grandparents would have went to court and filed for temporary custody if they thought the parents were unfit.. Most Grandparents would have PROTECTED a HELPLESS DEFENSELESS BABY.. Most grandparents would have COOPERATED FULLY with LE and FBI.. Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD taken A LDT unless of course they were hiding something..MOST GRANDPARENTS would have told THE TRUTH. Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have tampered with evidence, destroyed evidence, obstructed justice, hindered and on going investigation . MOST GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE SCREAMING FOR IMMUNITY!
Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have SOLD pictures, videos, or INTERVIEWS EITHER!! Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE BEGGING FOR DONATIONS to SEARCH for GRANDCHILD and NEVER SEARCH!
LET me tell you NOTHING these GRANDPARENTS did was anything like what most GRANDPARENTS would DO..Surely NOTHING I WOULD DO! and IMO...... most of the GRANDPARENTS on this board would NOT have done what the A's did.......

[IM4Truth]

Excatly... No thats why the kids get lost in the cracks they just sit back and do nothing for the child...then you get social workers who are supposed to be checking on kids that never do and make reports that they did...Just like boy whos been missing for over 10 years did anyone every check on him? What about the little girl who was in foster care in Fl..Social worker said she checked on her finally after what 1 yr or 2 they figured out no one checked on her and they still havent found her body yet to my knowlegde...moo

If it's the same child I'm thinking of, she was never found. I believe the foster care mother is still in jail though on other charges not related to the missing child. In defense of all the overworked Protective Investigators out there though, they are overworked, are not paid enough for the jobs they do, and I hope that the majority of them are trying to do as much as they possibly can. Falsifying documents is not an excuse. Not checking as often as they should is not always their fault. Unfortunately we only hear about the bad ones, rarely about the good ones. There just isn't enough staff to keep up with all of it and no money from the State to hire more. Caylee was living in a clean home with food in the fridge, all the toys and clothes a child could ever have, and up until now there had been no calls to DCF. I don't see where Casey not working and stealing from family would be a cause for Cindy to call DCF.

[KatieKates]

DFS CPS was called to the home, it's in the documents but they referred the case back to the PD as it was clear in their report even that they felt at that time the child was already dead. That's so sad to say but it's the truth. Documents are up online.


I was referring to Caylee when she was alive and well, and living with her mother under Cindy's roof.

[openminded]

It is a reasonable assumption. Casey was not working, so she would have no insurance, unless she was on state aid, which never came out, she would have to have money to go to a doctor. According to the family, no one knew that Casey was pregnant, or admitted it until she was about 7 months along.

And, speaking of no insurance, what happened when Caylee needed to see the doctor for checkups, sick visits, etc. after Casey was fired? Did Casey pretend to take her? Or did Casey steal enough money to pay cash for the doctor's visit? Or did Cindy pay for it all (and if she did wouldn't she wonder why Casey didn't have insurance)?

[PuffDragon]

the thing about the tape is that casey probably used it to shut Caylee up.....which means she was doing it fast and never thought about evidence....she just wanted to "shut the kid up"....unless she put the duct tape on after Caylee was dead and she WAS thinking about evidence.....anyway..:confused:

*Bolding mine

That's what I think too. I really don't even believe she thought to put gloves on, at least not for eliminating fingerprints, but maybe for keeping her hands clean. We're experimenting to see what happens with the gloves and the tape, just as a point of fact.

[Tracian]

WRONG!....IMO cindy was glad to have casey and Caylee out from under her feet... Most grandparents would have known the babysitter had phone number and knew where she lived.. Most Grandparents would have went to court and filed for temporary custody if they thought the parents were unfit.. Most Grandparents would have PROTECTED a HELPLESS DEFENSELESS BABY.. Most grandparents would have COOPERATED FULLY with LE and FBI.. Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD taken A LDT unless of course they were hiding something..MOST GRANDPARENTS would have told THE TRUTH. Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have tampered with evidence, destroyed evidence, obstructed justice, hindered and on going investigation . MOST GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE SCREAMING FOR IMMUNITY!
Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have SOLD pictures, videos, or INTERVIEWS EITHER!! Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE BEGGING FOR DONATIONS to SEARCH for GRANDCHILD and NEVER SEARCH!
LET me tell you NOTHING these GRANDPARENTS did was anything like what most GRANDPARENTS would DO..Surely NOTHING I WOULD DO! and IMO...... most of the GRANDPARENTS on this board would NOT have done what the A's did.......


And that about sums it up!! Good post!

[SavannahStar]

In fact, a smart atty would've used the theft from the grandparents to their advantage in a custody fight. Had Cindy not covered for Casey (again), charges could've been brought and that certainly would've not gained favor for Casey in the eyes of a judge. And had Cindy not wanted Casey to face jail, she simply could've held the threat over Casey's head until she signed custody of Caylee over to Cindy.

Remember it was the grandmother who did not want to press charges against Casey ("because of Caylee"), it was not Cindy's decision. I don't have the link handy, but it was discussed the other day.

[Dtviewer3]

I agree there is no Zanny.....

But I do beleive that George loved Caylee.
Sorry you disagree Joe........
Show you?? Show you what?? You need George dead to prove his love for his granddughter?? :ohmy:


I think Joe was questioning the part about George 'being willing to kill himself', not anything about loving Caylee.

Like some here, I think Joe was questioning George' suicide attempt.

[IM4Truth]

ITA Casey made the choice to kill Caylee..
But Cindy made the choice to lie and cover up for Casey..
they both make me sick!!

MOO

True, and I agree with you, but lying and covering up for Casey couldn't save Caylee. Cindy & Casey were cut from the same cloth. Cindy never held Casey responsible for her actions, always covered for her, and just continues to now. We can't do anything about it but vent on the blogs.

[SavannahStar]

I was referring to Caylee when she was alive and well, and living with her mother under Cindy's roof.

I understood your post, Katie.

[Tracian]

And, speaking of no insurance, what happened when Caylee needed to see the doctor for checkups, sick visits, etc. after Casey was fired? Did Casey pretend to take her? Or did Casey steal enough money to pay cash for the doctor's visit? Or did Cindy pay for it all (and if she did wouldn't she wonder why Casey didn't have insurance)?


According to the emails and Cindy's co workers...all expense concerning Caylee was covered by Cindy and George.

[Dtviewer3]

WRONG!....IMO cindy was glad to have casey and Caylee out from under her feet... Most grandparents would have known the babysitter had phone number and knew where she lived.. Most Grandparents would have went to court and filed for temporary custody if they thought the parents were unfit.. Most Grandparents would have PROTECTED a HELPLESS DEFENSELESS BABY.. Most grandparents would have COOPERATED FULLY with LE and FBI.. Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD taken A LDT unless of course they were hiding something..MOST GRANDPARENTS would have told THE TRUTH. Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have tampered with evidence, destroyed evidence, obstructed justice, hindered and on going investigation . MOST GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE SCREAMING FOR IMMUNITY!
Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have SOLD pictures, videos, or INTERVIEWS EITHER!! Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE BEGGING FOR DONATIONS to SEARCH for GRANDCHILD and NEVER SEARCH!
LET me tell you NOTHING these GRANDPARENTS did was anything like what most GRANDPARENTS would DO..Surely NOTHING I WOULD DO! and IMO...... most of the GRANDPARENTS on this board would NOT have done what the A's did.......

Are you suggesting what Cindy and George did after Caylee went missing wasnt 'normal'?:scared:


(I agree)

[need2no]

Cindy claimed that Casey's job covered the pregnancy/birth IIRC.


Yes she did, which blew my mind when I heard her say it. Wasn't casey just employed at that time like a contract worker for Kodak? I can't imagine her having full medical insurance benefits to cover the birth. The other thing that bugged me about this statement, if it's true, was thinking about the July 3rd MS post....Cindy claimed she paid for all of Caylee's medical expenses.......

Just another inconsistency, mistruth, or 1/2 truth.

[happygert]

I don't think a social worker was ever assigned a case involving Caylee, so what is your point here? You do realize we're discussing Caylee Anthony, right?

Oh I realize fully what case were discussing... POINT IS NO ONE not even HER so called LOVING GRANDPARENTS chose TO protect CAYLEE they chose to PROTECT THE UNFIT MOTHER... Do YOU GET THE POINT? NO ONE PROTECTED CAYLEE!

[margaritaville]

I think Joe was questioning the part about George 'being willing to kill himself', not anything about loving Caylee.

Like some here, I think Joe was questioning George' suicide attempt.


Originally Posted by eastside joe
George was willing to kill himself to be with Caylee? Puhleez!!! I'm from the show-me state. Don't tell me show me. He never had any intention IMO. Loving Caylee very much. Puhleez!!! Then know who the heck the nanny is who supposedly was watching your granddaughter the past year and a half. IMO



No...........Re-read his post.........Loving Caylee very much, Puleeeze..

that to me says he doesn't believe George loved Caylee...And i Strongly disagree...............

[Tracian]

If it's the same child I'm thinking of, she was never found. I believe the foster care mother is still in jail though on other charges not related to the missing child. In defense of all the overworked Protective Investigators out there though, they are overworked, are not paid enough for the jobs they do, and I hope that the majority of them are trying to do as much as they possibly can. Falsifying documents is not an excuse. Not checking as often as they should is not always their fault. Unfortunately we only hear about the bad ones, rarely about the good ones. There just isn't enough staff to keep up with all of it and no money from the State to hire more. Caylee was living in a clean home with food in the fridge, all the toys and clothes a child could ever have, and up until now there had been no calls to DCF. I don't see where Casey not working and stealing from family would be a cause for Cindy to call DCF.


Cindy told people that Casey was unfit and a sociopath. Cindy supported Caylee. Cindy knew that Casey was stealing from the family.


Cindy could have filed a report in regards to her concerns about Casey being a fit parent.

[Dtviewer3]

Originally Posted by eastside joe
George was willing to kill himself to be with Caylee? Puhleez!!! I'm from the show-me state. Don't tell me show me. He never had any intention IMO. Loving Caylee very much. Puhleez!!! Then know who the heck the nanny is who supposedly was watching your granddaughter the past year and a half. IMO



No...........Re-read his post.........Loving Caylee very much, Puleeeze..

that to me says he doesn't believe George loved Caylee...And i Strongly disagree...............

Hmmm-I read right past that part.

You may be right.

Joe??

[PuffDragon]

It is my belife, mo that dragons are magickal, they are gaurdians, protectors, lol jmo

hello every body, got my work done 2day, so now lurking quietly

:seeya: Hi there witchy, nice to see you.

Why lurk? The water is good today!

[awareness]

Oh I realize fully what case were discussing... POINT IS NO ONE not even HER so called LOVING GRANDPARENTS chose TO protect CAYLEE they chose to PROTECT THE UNFIT MOTHER... Do YOU GET THE POINT? NO ONE PROTECTED CAYLEE!

Caps come across as yelling... JMO but you may receive a warmer welcome by toning it down a bit. I realize the post wasn't directed towards me but maybe take a break if its upsetting you so much.

JMO/IMO

[Tracian]

Caps come across as yelling... JMO but you may receive a warmer welcome by toning it down a bit. I realize the post wasn't directed towards me but maybe take a break if its upsetting you so much.

JMO/IMO


Did you read the post that provoked the reply? It was just a 'tad' condescending.

[need2no]

WRONG!....IMO cindy was glad to have casey and Caylee out from under her feet... Most grandparents would have known the babysitter had phone number and knew where she lived.. Most Grandparents would have went to court and filed for temporary custody if they thought the parents were unfit.. Most Grandparents would have PROTECTED a HELPLESS DEFENSELESS BABY.. Most grandparents would have COOPERATED FULLY with LE and FBI.. Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD taken A LDT unless of course they were hiding something..MOST GRANDPARENTS would have told THE TRUTH. Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have tampered with evidence, destroyed evidence, obstructed justice, hindered and on going investigation . MOST GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE SCREAMING FOR IMMUNITY!
Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have SOLD pictures, videos, or INTERVIEWS EITHER!! Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE BEGGING FOR DONATIONS to SEARCH for GRANDCHILD and NEVER SEARCH!
LET me tell you NOTHING these GRANDPARENTS did was anything like what most GRANDPARENTS would DO..Surely NOTHING I WOULD DO! and IMO...... most of the GRANDPARENTS on this board would NOT have done what the A's did.......


In a nutshell. :thumbup:

[IM4Truth]

And you attacks on me and others were just fine?

IF Casey was held accountable for the theft, she could be arrested. I don't know what state you are in, but yes, the system will remove children from homes even if they are not being beaten, neglect is another reason to remove a child from the custody of a parent. IF Cindy was the sole support for this child, and she felt Casey was unfit due to her actions, her unemployment, her lack of care for Caylee...she most certainly could have made a report with CPS.

The point is, that they complained, but no effort was made to correct the situation.

I don't think you quite understand. First of all CPS is DCF in Florida. Department of Children & Families. Second of all, DCF would not have done anything at all if Cindy complained that Casey wasn't working or supporting Caylee. The most they could have done was suggest Casey take parenting classes. Caylee was in a clean home and there were no signs of neglect. Cindy allowed them to live there. Calling DCF in a case like that when there are so many neglected and abused children out there would only take time away from those who really needed it. Just like all of the phone calls to the police to protect the Anthony's when there were crimes being committed all over Orlando.

[SavannahStar]

I don't think you quite understand. First of all CPS is DCF in Florida. Department of Children & Families. Second of all, DCF would not have done anything at all if Cindy complained that Casey wasn't working or supporting Caylee. The most they could have done was suggest Casey take parenting classes. Caylee was in a clean home and there were no signs of neglect. Cindy allowed them to live there. Calling DCF in a case like that when there are so many neglected and abused children out there would only take time away from those who really needed it. Just like all of the phone calls to the police to protect the Anthony's when there were crimes being committed all over Orlando.

You are exactly right about DCF here.

[callmetree]

I am really leaning towards Caylee telling Cindy something Casey had done to her on the 15th and if there was a fight between them, that's what it was about. I don't think it was about the grandparents money. I think this is why she didn't tell about Caylee missing for 31 days. She knew Cindy would have known she had done something to Caylee. So she invented the nanny. Make sense?

makes alot alot of sense to me. good post:wink:

[happygert]

If it's the same child I'm thinking of, she was never found. I believe the foster care mother is still in jail though on other charges not related to the missing child. In defense of all the overworked Protective Investigators out there though, they are overworked, are not paid enough for the jobs they do, and I hope that the majority of them are trying to do as much as they possibly can. Falsifying documents is not an excuse. Not checking as often as they should is not always their fault. Unfortunately we only hear about the bad ones, rarely about the good ones. There just isn't enough staff to keep up with all of it and no money from the State to hire more. Caylee was living in a clean home with food in the fridge, all the toys and clothes a child could ever have, and up until now there had been no calls to DCF. I don't see where Casey not working and stealing from family would be a cause for Cindy to call DCF.

I firmly believe if cindy thought casey was unfit mom she should have DONE something to PROTECT CAYLEE...If I thought my grandson was with unfit parents son or daughter I would not leave him with them I would do what every it took to get custody of him and protect him...

Imo the Little girls body will probably never be found..do you remember what they charged her with? She hasn't been to trial yet?

[apothecary]

I am really leaning towards Caylee telling Cindy something Casey had done to her on the 15th and if there was a fight between them, that's what it was about. I don't think it was about the grandparents money. I think this is why she didn't tell about Caylee missing for 31 days. She knew Cindy would have known she had done something to Caylee. So she invented the nanny. Make sense?
I agree,because I have always thought that Caylee may have tattled on Casey about something.The fight was not about the money because the money things were always fixed up.I think the fight was about something that was way over the line and far more serious than "just stealing money".Just my opinion..

[Tracian]

I don't think you quite understand. First of all CPS is DCF in Florida. Department of Children & Families. Second of all, DCF would not have done anything at all if Cindy complained that Casey wasn't working or supporting Caylee. The most they could have done was suggest Casey take parenting classes. Caylee was in a clean home and there were no signs of neglect. Cindy allowed them to live there. Calling DCF in a case like that when there are so many neglected and abused children out there would only take time away from those who really needed it. Just like all of the phone calls to the police to protect the Anthony's when there were crimes being committed all over Orlando.


We don't know what Cindy viewed as Casey being unfit. Caylee is dead...you don't think she really needed an advocate? Even Cindy's co workers suggested she take Caylee from Casey.

[Puffybubble]

WRONG!....IMO cindy was glad to have casey and Caylee out from under her feet... Most grandparents would have known the babysitter had phone number and knew where she lived.. Most Grandparents would have went to court and filed for temporary custody if they thought the parents were unfit.. Most Grandparents would have PROTECTED a HELPLESS DEFENSELESS BABY.. Most grandparents would have COOPERATED FULLY with LE and FBI.. Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD taken A LDT unless of course they were hiding something..MOST GRANDPARENTS would have told THE TRUTH. Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have tampered with evidence, destroyed evidence, obstructed justice, hindered and on going investigation . MOST GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE SCREAMING FOR IMMUNITY!
Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have SOLD pictures, videos, or INTERVIEWS EITHER!! Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE BEGGING FOR DONATIONS to SEARCH for GRANDCHILD and NEVER SEARCH!
LET me tell you NOTHING these GRANDPARENTS did was anything like what most GRANDPARENTS would DO..Surely NOTHING I WOULD DO! and IMO...... most of the GRANDPARENTS on this board would NOT have done what the A's did.......

How do you know what you would do until it happened to you. Then lets say it does, wouldn't it kinda shock your core?

I would hope no one here has a plan on how to act if their child murdrers their grandchild actually.

my opinion

[KittyMom]

I think the personal attack is uncalled for, but if that's how you get your point across so be it. The system doesn't remove children who aren't beaten and are well taken care of from their mothers whether you like it or not it's not up to YOU. Hate the game, not the player. Great post, by the way.

lol...personal attack...like this you mean?

02-05-2009, 02:10 PM
KatieKates
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 345

They don't take children from their mother's because of domestic issues with the grandparents. I've never seen that happen in all my years working in social work. But then, you all seem to know different.
__________________
It's just Kate


I especially like that thumbs down smilie.

Sadly, after following these boards for years we've all seen too many cases where kids were the victims of a social system that allows them to be victimized. That is something that as a nation we need to work to correct. We need to be more proactive at protecting our youngest members of society whether it be in our own homes in our neighbors.

[IM4Truth]

DFS CPS was called to the home, it's in the documents but they referred the case back to the PD as it was clear in their report even that they felt at that time the child was already dead. That's so sad to say but it's the truth. Documents are up online.

The point is DCF had not ever been called previous to this and they said Casey didn't even get welfare. DCF had to go when a child neglect charge was filed.

[KatieKates]

Here's what you said:



The bolding is mine. Without getting into semantics, do you not see how that remark could be taken as an "attack," especially followed by the thumbs down sign?

Also contrary to your other point, you were discussing other cases, apparently, because no social workers were called in this case.

Say, I don't care how my post is "taken," it's not my place to tell someone how to take something or not. If you or anybody else doens't like the way I word things, so be it, but assuming them to be attacks and then getting personal...whatever. I'm here to discuss/debate, if people don't like my answers, they'll just have to disagree. So, no, I don't accept that at all.

ETA: Please stop cherry picking and read the posts I'm replying to.

[lonetraveler]

That fits so well SayWhat!

Mistakes were made,
Others will be blamed.

Sad but true...and anyone within throwing distance of the Anthony tree must be prepared for the wrath.
It seems to have worked for them thus far, until the chance that they may turn on each other. Mamma Cindy has Lee home now, silly George went outside of the circle and lost his mind (!!) And the Princess everyone strove to 'protect'...will not speak to any one of them now.
And the one who truly lost in it all...is still waiting to be buried.
It's like Caylee Marie is just an after thought....

Just my opinion of course...

---
Wow, you really nailed this family. The way you summarize this family is right on target and very sobering.

[happygert]

Caps come across as yelling... JMO but you may receive a warmer welcome by toning it down a bit. I realize the post wasn't directed towards me but maybe take a break if its upsetting you so much.

JMO/IMO

NOPE not yelling she didnt get the point.. Just wanted it crystal clear for her....

[KatieKates]

lol...personal attack...like this you mean?


I especially like that thumbs down smilie.

Sadly, after following these boards for years we've all seen too many cases where kids were the victims of a social system that allows them to be victimized. That is something that as a nation we need to work to correct. We need to be more proactive at protecting our youngest members of society whether it be in our own homes in our neighbors.


Oh, so my use of smiley faces is the problem here? If anyone has a personal issue with how I post or phrase my words, please PM me from here on out. This isn't the forum for this. Thanks.

[IM4Truth]

Cindy told people that Casey was unfit and a sociopath. Cindy supported Caylee. Cindy knew that Casey was stealing from the family.


Cindy could have filed a report in regards to her concerns about Casey being a fit parent.

I don't think you get it here. DCF couldn't have done anything at all. There was no evidence that Caylee was abused or neglected. Cindy allowed them to live in her home. If you could see some of the homes that DCF has to go into and see the neglect and abuse, maybe you would understand.

[happygert]

lol...personal attack...like this you mean?


I especially like that thumbs down smilie.

Sadly, after following these boards for years we've all seen too many cases where kids were the victims of a social system that allows them to be victimized. That is something that as a nation we need to work to correct. We need to be more proactive at protecting our youngest members of society whether it be in our own homes in our neighbors.

ITA KittyMom...

[need2no]

We don't know what Cindy viewed as Casey being unfit. Caylee is dead...you don't think she really needed an advocate? Even Cindy's co workers suggested she take Caylee from Casey.

And those coworkers made their suggestion to Cindy based on what Cindy told them.

[openminded]

According to the emails and Cindy's co workers...all expense concerning Caylee was covered by Cindy and George.

That would certainly seem to imply that they knew Casey didn't have a job because otherwise why wouldn't Casey be footing the bill for all those doctor visits that babies and toddler have.

Or maybe Casey told them she didn't have insurance ("Universal cut our insurance; can you believe that??") and also said she wasn't making enough money to pay for anything so Cindy decided to foot the bill, as always.

I'm sure Casey never ran out of stories to tell.

[5boxersmom]

I have a question about DCF. If Casey had ever been sentenced to jail for theft would the court have ask her where she would have been leaving her minor child? Or would she have just left her with George and Cindy? She then would have had to sign something over to them right? Temporary custody?

Just asking because I have no idea how that might have worked.

Could that have been the first step for Cindy to get custody?

[IM4Truth]

If that is so then why doesnt cindy seek the truth instead of lying and covering up for her daughter? Cindy may not be responsible for caylee's death but she is responsible for casey's continued denial and outrageous lies by condoning and enabling her. Why is that? If i had a daughter and she were charged with murder i would do everything to seek the truth from her instead of lying and covering up for her. That is not normal human behaviour.

I totally agree with you. The majority of people would handle things in responsible ways. Cindy needs to have a mental evaluation too.

[need2no]

Changing gears slightly.....

Did anyone else note that in Cindy's interview with LE she told them George fed Caylee breakfast on the morning of the 16th. I had forgotten she said that until I re-listened to part of the tape last night.

[Regina.Lampert]

WRONG!....IMO cindy was glad to have casey and Caylee out from under her feet... Most grandparents would have known the babysitter had phone number and knew where she lived.. Most Grandparents would have went to court and filed for temporary custody if they thought the parents were unfit.. Most Grandparents would have PROTECTED a HELPLESS DEFENSELESS BABY.. Most grandparents would have COOPERATED FULLY with LE and FBI.. Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD taken A LDT unless of course they were hiding something..MOST GRANDPARENTS would have told THE TRUTH. Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have tampered with evidence, destroyed evidence, obstructed justice, hindered and on going investigation . MOST GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE SCREAMING FOR IMMUNITY!
Most GRANDPARENTS would NOT have SOLD pictures, videos, or INTERVIEWS EITHER!! Most GRANDPARENTS WOULD NOT BE BEGGING FOR DONATIONS to SEARCH for GRANDCHILD and NEVER SEARCH!
LET me tell you NOTHING these GRANDPARENTS did was anything like what most GRANDPARENTS would DO..Surely NOTHING I WOULD DO! and IMO...... most of the GRANDPARENTS on this board would NOT have done what the A's did.......



Thank you Gertie, I think you speak for many of us on this board. I don't have to walk in the anthony shoes to be certain I would not be behaving like them.

There is a huge difference between honestly discussing exactly what the anthonys have done FROM DAY ONE and bashing them. Too bad some of our lecturerers don't get that. imo.

[Tracian]

And those coworkers made their suggestion to Cindy based on what Cindy told them.


Correct. Cindy had no problem talking about Casey, accept to anyone that could really help her, this also supports that Cindy is not living in complete denial about what kind of mother Casey was.

[AMS]

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:48 PM EST, February 5, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

From the link: The public is invited to this service, but the Anthonys and the church do have the right to refuse entry to certain people, Conway said.

We know Lenny is on the NOT INVITED list.

IMO

[happy2bme]

Yep. This would make a much better argument for the other side if any effort had been made to insure Caylee would be safe and well-cared for. None was.

What baffles me is if Cindy wanted Caylee and Casey wanted a life without being tied down by a child...then why didn't she just let Cindy have her??

[msgatorslayer]

That would certainly seem to imply that they knew Casey didn't have a job because otherwise why wouldn't Casey be footing the bill for all those doctor visits that babies and toddler have.

Or maybe Casey told them she didn't have insurance ("Universal cut our insurance; can you believe that??") and also said she wasn't making enough money to pay for anything so Cindy decided to foot the bill, as always.

I'm sure Casey never ran out of stories to tell.

Which leads me back to being amazed that Casey didn't at least milk the welfare system. Insurance, food stamps, child care [sorry, no nanny], etc.

[Dtviewer3]

I don't think you get it here. DCF couldn't have done anything at all. There was no evidence that Caylee was abused or neglected. Cindy allowed them to live in her home. If you could see some of the homes that DCF has to go into and see the neglect and abuse, maybe you would understand.


I think you are missing others point here.
Of course nobody could know IF DCF could have done anything or not, but a lot of posters are pointing out the fact that NOBODY even tried.
Cindy wasnt shy about voicing her concerns to others about Casey's care for Caylee, but she never attempted (as far as we know) to actually do something about it.

Also, posters keep saying there was no evidence that Caylee was abused or 'neglected'.
Cindy certainly felt otherwise.

[need2no]

I have a question about DCF. If Casey had ever been sentenced to jail for theft would the court have ask her where she would have been leaving her minor child? Or would she have just left her with George and Cindy? She then would have had to sign something over to them right? Temporary custody?

Just asking because I have no idea how that might have worked.

Could that have been the first step for Cindy to get custody?


The court would have given Cindy and George guardianship, and they do NOT ask or need casey's permission or agreement to do so.

[KittyMom]

Remember it was the grandmother who did not want to press charges against Casey ("because of Caylee"), it was not Cindy's decision. I don't have the link handy, but it was discussed the other day.

It was because of Caylee and Cindy. Had Cindy not convinced her elderly mother to not press charges we might not be here today. I have no doubt in my mind that Cindy did in fact talk Shirley out of pressing charges and even agreed to pay the money back.

[happy2bme]

makes alot alot of sense to me. good post:wink:


Thanks!

How's the weather?:biggrin:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

[koawally]

What baffles me is if Cindy wanted Caylee and Casey wanted a life without being tied down by a child...then why didn't she just let Cindy have her??

because Casey was a selfish - - - - -:cursing:

[IM4Truth]

I firmly believe if cindy thought casey was unfit mom she should have DONE something to PROTECT CAYLEE...If I thought my grandson was with unfit parents son or daughter I would not leave him with them I would do what every it took to get custody of him and protect him...

Imo the Little girls body will probably never be found..do you remember what they charged her with? She hasn't been to trial yet?

I don't think Cindy really thought Casey was unfit. I think she was just mad that Casey was going out to party and leaving Caylee with her. I'm sure Cindy thought she was protecting Caylee by letting them live in her home knowing quite well Casey was not working and enabling all of Casey's lies. In hindsight, I think Cindy would have stepped up and done something. Too little, too late.

No, the other little girl was never found, it was highly suspected she was dumped in the Everglades to the alligators. All I can say is the woman is in jail on fraud charges.

[witchywoman]

WW LIVES!! :seeya: Hiyas WWoman :D


Hello

Im slowly catching up on these threads....

i feel so heartly sorry for lil caylee...the precious thing touched my heart..

How can anyone take a childs life?

I was busted with 28 grams of cocaine...never been in trouble b4, judge offered me 20 yrs probation, but i opted to serve 3 flat ..( didnt want that long of time hanging ove rmy head eh?) after 3 i walked free

I was housed with some child killers...i can in all honesty say, that child killers be them women or men, or marked targets no matter where their housed...(no threats comming from me, just telling it like it is...)

Kc a wont have it easy in the big house..

jail is very differ than prison...
mo

[PuffDragon]

Yes, I followed the discussion on the board about gaffers tape and even did a google search on it-lol. This reminds me of casey's text msg. from Amy...something about using up all her tape that she left in her purse...so did the tape casey used come from what she took from Amy?

As for the fingerprint on the tape,...I actually mashed my thumbprint on the tape and could not see it with the naked eye, or with a magnifying glass, unlike scotch tape where a print is very visible. I guess finding prints on duct tape requires more sophisticated equipment than a magnifying glass. :biggrin:

It's logical to have been Amy's tape. If Casey used what was left on her roll there will be no way to match it to anything. Could have been some that George had in the house too, but if she had some in her purse it probably would have been easier to just grab that roll.

I couldn't see any actual prints either, but I could see where my fingers had been against the tape. Forensic Files has shown lots of cases where prints have been lifted from duct tape, even after it's been in water, so it's certainly possible. I sure hope there are retrievable prints on that tape.

[Venus]

What baffles me is if Cindy wanted Caylee and Casey wanted a life without being tied down by a child...then why didn't she just let Cindy have her??

A couple of reasons...

1. Appearances. Casey was all about looking good. Giving her baby to her mother, would've made Casey look like the bad mother she really was.

2. She wouldn't give Caylee to Cindy, because in Casey's eyes, Cindy would be winning, or getting what she wanted. Those two women were in competition with each other.

[happygert]

How do you know what you would do until it happened to you. Then lets say it does, wouldn't it kinda shock your core?

I would hope no one here has a plan on how to act if their child murdrers their grandchild actually.

my opinion

let me tell you if I thought my Grandson was with unfit parents I would STOP at NOTHING to get Custody of HIM..Shock yes cover and LIE for them NO WAY!! Do what the A's have done NO WAY! MY children have been raised to know every action they take has consequences.. IF they do something wrong and they have to face consequences.....PERIOD... Would I love my kids yes would I be disappointed in my kids ? YES... But would I cover , destroy evidence Lie to LE FBI hinder an on going investigation, obstruct justice.tamper with evidence . sell videos, pictures and interviews, cuss the public and try to stop people who are actively looking for my missing grandchild, would I lie about the ones who were searching? would I refuse LDT.......The answer to all those are NO.not just no BUT HE77 NO!

[Dtviewer3]

Ah aha that is what you are all getting at thanks for that :D

I guess, I need to see the proof of that and if there actually are any dcf records for her or anyone else in that family. I'm sure nurse Cindy pulled a McGuire and said to anyone asking "Im a Nurse" and so there :D

As if that matters. Oh yes I forgot, she's a nurse, of decomp. Who could forget, that??



:laugh:....

[Puffybubble]

I don't think you get it here. DCF couldn't have done anything at all. There was no evidence that Caylee was abused or neglected. Cindy allowed them to live in her home. If you could see some of the homes that DCF has to go into and see the neglect and abuse, maybe you would understand.

I totally agree. Go ahead and call DCF and say, my daughter lies and is a sociopath and see what they do. I think some people don't understand how many sociopaths and people who have mental illness have children. Just because someone steals, its just not enough under most circumstances to uproot a child. Its sad of course, the system is a mess.

my opinion

[Tracian]

What baffles me is if Cindy wanted Caylee and Casey wanted a life without being tied down by a child...then why didn't she just let Cindy have her??


Honestly, I think Caylee was a whip that Casey and Cindy used to beat the other with. Cindy could go to work being the long suffering grandmother, and mother to Casey. Casey could whine to her friends how controlling her mother is, and how she is tied down because of Caylee.

IMO, this family just has a very twisted dynamic. Re read the emails, even prior to Caylee's disapearance...Cindy is complaining about Casey, George..seems this family was always engolfed in some kind of drama.

[steffaroob4]

Say, I don't care how my post is "taken," it's not my place to tell someone how to take something or not. If you or anybody else doens't like the way I word things, so be it, but assuming them to be attacks and then getting personal...whatever. I'm here to discuss/debate, if people don't like my answers, they'll just have to disagree. So, no, I don't accept that at all.

ETA: Please stop cherry picking and read the posts I'm replying to.

Unfortunately some people think the louder they yell, the more likely people will believe what they say without presenting facts. I have to admit that I have seen children left in flithy houses with little food, conditions I would find unsuitable for my dog. It takes something major like physical abuse or prolonged drug abuse from parents, to remove children from parents in most cases, it is the wat the system works.
There is no way anyone could have seen what was going on in casey's head. There are thousands upon thousands of grandparents that have struggled with getting their children to assume the responsiblity of being a parent everyday, some with great sucess, there are no correct answers here. No matter how great a child was raised they can still end up a killer, it is a shame.

[need2no]

What baffles me is if Cindy wanted Caylee and Casey wanted a life without being tied down by a child...then why didn't she just let Cindy have her??

Because she was a spiteful b****.

and

Caylee was casey's meal ticket. If she gave C & G custody of Caylee they may have turned their backs on her financially, it was a risk casey wasn't willing to take.

and

Cindy did not want full responsibility of raising Caylee while casey went out and 'lived the life'.

[Tracian]

It was because of Caylee and Cindy. Had Cindy not convinced her elderly mother to not press charges we might not be here today. I have no doubt in my mind that Cindy did in fact talk Shirley out of pressing charges and even agreed to pay the money back.


I think Rick addresses this in his emails to Cindy...

[Venus]

Which leads me back to being amazed that Casey didn't at least milk the welfare system. Insurance, food stamps, child care [sorry, no nanny], etc.

And give the appearance of being 'poor'? Never.

[SavannahStar]

It was because of Caylee and Cindy. Had Cindy not convinced her elderly mother to not press charges we might not be here today. I have no doubt in my mind that Cindy did in fact talk Shirley out of pressing charges and even agreed to pay the money back.

Who said that Cindy convinced her? You say you have no doubt...but is that in an interview somewhere? All I have seen is that the grandmother decided not to press charges, because of Caylee.

I'm talking about what we have a record of...not what you think.

(Meaning no disrespect, Kitty.)

[Puffybubble]

let me tell you if I thought my Grandson was with unfit parents I would STOP at NOTHING to get Custody of HIM..Shock yes cover and LIE for them NO WAY!! Do what the A's have done NO WAY! MY children have been raised to know every action they take has consequences.. IF they do something wrong and they have to face consequences.....PERIOD... Would I love my kids yes would I be disappointed in my kids ? YES... But would I cover , destroy evidence Lie to LE FBI hinder an on going investigation, obstruct justice.tamper with evidence . sell videos, pictures and interviews, cuss the public and try to stop people who are actively looking for my missing grandchild, would I lie about the ones who were searching? would I refuse LDT.......The answer to all those are NO.not just no BUT HE77 NO!

I understand, but money is everything and if the Anthonys did not have enough, what can you do? Do you think Casey was just going to sign her meal ticket over without a fight? What if she did, and she later killed Caylee during a visitation? There is nothing Casey did prior to Caylees death that warrants a child to be taken from her mother never to see her again. Sadly I think dealing with a mentally ill person isn't as easy as some think it is.

my opinion

[Pooh]

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:48 PM EST, February 5, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

From the link: The public is invited to this service, but the Anthonys and the church do have the right to refuse entry to certain people, Conway said.

We know Lenny is on the NOT INVITED list.

IMO

Good Lord. Now I've heard it all. A church of all places they're going to "refuse certain people". I am speechless now.

[KittyMom]

According to the emails and Cindy's co workers...all expense concerning Caylee was covered by Cindy and George.

Immunizations and well-baby visits are expensive if you have no insurance. Surely, Cindy wondered why Casey's insurance didn't pay anything toward these costs.

Here in GA babies receive most of the shots by age 2. Even getting them at the county run Health Dept would run a nice figure.

[msgatorslayer]

And give the appearance of being 'poor'? Never.

On the sly, of course.:wink:

At least she'd be able to buy a gallon of milk when Mom asked, lmao.

[callmetree]

Thanks!

How's the weather?:biggrin:

it's in the 40's now. giving caylee to cindy would have been giving in to cindy maybe. IMO cindy really didn't want caylee full time. i honestly think caylee was a tug of war for cindy and casey. i think mother and daughter are both spiteful people and both very self centered. :sneaky:

[PuffDragon]

LOL why have you been putting duct tape on your face and pulling it off? I doubt Casey was doing this on a regular basis. Caylee would be able to let Cindy know in some way........unless, Caylee threatened her! But there would be red marks on the child's face.

I'd think more than just red marks. A child's face? Pulling some layers of skin off for sure.

And no, I'm not thinking of putting my face on the line to test that theory. My investigation ended with the gloves and duct tape.

[SavannahStar]

Unfortunately some people think the louder they yell, the more likely people will believe what they say without presenting facts. I have to admit that I have seen children left in flithy houses with little food, conditions I would find unsuitable for my dog. It takes something major like physical abuse or prolonged drug abuse from parents, to remove children from parents in most cases, it is the wat the system works.
There is no way anyone could have seen what was going on in casey's head. There are thousands upon thousands of grandparents that have struggled with getting their children to assume the responsiblity of being a parent everyday, some with great sucess, there are no correct answers here. No matter how great a child was raised they can still end up a killer, it is a shame.

Steff....how right you are!

[IM4Truth]

Ah aha that is what you are all getting at thanks for that :D

I guess, I need to see the proof of that and if there actually are any dcf records for her or anyone else in that family. I'm sure nurse Cindy pulled a McGuire and said to anyone asking "Im a Nurse" and so there :D

As if that matters. Oh yes I forgot, she's a nurse, of decomp. Who could forget, that??

IIRC DCF reported that there were no previous records, however, if there were any, they are confidential. What does Cindy being a nurse have to do with DCF?

[Dtviewer3]

Who said that Cindy convinced her? You say you have no doubt...but is that in an interview somewhere? All I have seen is that the grandmother decided not to press charges, because of Caylee.

I'm talking about what we have a record of...not what you think.

(Meaning no disrespect, Kitty.)

And where have you 'seen' that? From other posters?
Do you have a 'record' of that....not what other posters said?
Of course not.......

Read the Rick emails.

[SavannahStar]

Good Lord. Now I've heard it all. A church of all places they're going to "refuse certain people". I am speechless now.


Do you think it would be okay to let in any of the "protestors" that screamed in front of their house nightly for so long? No telling what those people might do in a church at that memorial. :ohmy:

[WillowInFlight]

Thank you Gertie, I think you speak for many of us on this board. I don't have to walk in the anthony shoes to be certain I would not be behaving like them.

There is a huge difference between honestly discussing exactly what the anthonys have done FROM DAY ONE and bashing them. Too bad some of our lecturerers don't get that. imo.

ITA Scampie.

[KatieKates]

Unfortunately some people think the louder they yell, the more likely people will believe what they say without presenting facts. I have to admit that I have seen children left in flithy houses with little food, conditions I would find unsuitable for my dog. It takes something major like physical abuse or prolonged drug abuse from parents, to remove children from parents in most cases, it is the wat the system works.
There is no way anyone could have seen what was going on in casey's head. There are thousands upon thousands of grandparents that have struggled with getting their children to assume the responsiblity of being a parent everyday, some with great sucess, there are no correct answers here. No matter how great a child was raised they can still end up a killer, it is a shame.

Thank you, Steff, I don't think people can truely understand how frustrating it is until they've seen some of these situations. It really takes a lot to legally get help for children who really need it. It's in the courts hands, sadly.

[IM4Truth]

I don't know that I agree with that. After she was dead, no. Before she was murdered? Very likely a different outcome could have been achieved if Cindy hadn't been wholeheartedly in Casey cover-up mode, no matter what she did.

I did mean that lying and covering for her now can not save Caylee.

[need2no]

Wow, n2n. Great catch. And so doesn't that sort of contradict George's memory of that morning? He didn't mention breakfast on that morning, IIRC -- only mentioned when they left and what they were wearing, in flaming detail.

Yes, it totally contradicts what George said WITH Cindy's help.

Correct, George said they came out of casey's room with their backbacks, said goodbye and left like any normal day....not a mention of breakfast.

I replayed the tape 3 times to be sure I heard her say that. The detective just kept talking, not sure he even caught that inconsistency.:scared:

[Unperson1984]

Domestic issues with the grandparents? :confused:

Is this how you would catergorize being unemployed and leaving everyday pretending to be employed, lying, stealing, sleeping around with a variety of men in a brief period of time, sometimes with the toddler in tow?


As far as we know Caylee was never physically abused. Emotionally, according to statements, she was a bright happy child. She was clean, well dressed and well fed. There is next to no chance the Court would remove her from her natural mother’s custody.

More likely the Court would have assigned a Social Worker who would get Casey financial aid, Section 8 housing and Medicaid.

BTW, only suspected physical or sexual abuse fall under the mandatory reporting laws.

[KatieKates]

Katie- have you worked the social system here in Florid? NJ and Florida are like oil and water. IMO

No, never, in fact I was looking for the woman who used to post on here who did work in Florida. She had great insight but I can't for the life of me remember her screename. And I know, every state is so different which adds to the problem sometimes.

[happy2bme]

I think you are missing others point here.
Of course nobody could know IF DCF could have done anything or not, but a lot of posters are pointing out the fact that NOBODY even tried.
Cindy wasnt shy about voicing her concerns to others about Casey's care for Caylee, but she never attempted (as far as we know) to actually do something about it.

Also, posters keep saying there was no evidence that Caylee was abused or 'neglected'.
Cindy certainly felt otherwise.


I would say Cindy "observed or knew" something since she went so far as to call her own daughter a sociopath. This was several weeks before the 15th.

[SavannahStar]

Read the Rick emails.

I've read Rick's emails, don't remember every detail of them. I don't put a lot of weight into what Rick said or didn't say, and I'll tell you why. I know he was posting publicly about this case on at least one message board. To me, that's wrong. No matter how you look at it. I don't care how upset he was at Cindy, Casey or George or the whole family. You DON'T go in public and air your family's dirty laundry. The fact that he did that, for whatever motive he may have had, makes much of what he said very suspect.

Talk about ax to grind. :sneaky:

[5boxersmom]

Because she was a spiteful b****.

and

Caylee was casey's meal ticket. If she gave C & G custody of Caylee they may have turned their backs on her financially, it was a risk casey wasn't willing to take.

and

Cindy did not want full responsibility of raising Caylee while casey went out and 'lived the life'.

Yep and when things got tough and Casey wanted to come back home Caylee would still be there. Casey was no longer the princess in the family Caylee was. Jealousy played a big part in this. jmo

[need2no]

I suspect there are lots of reasons, none of them especially logical, and all of them tied to the supremely sick, dysfunctional mother-daughter relationship, which was layered over the personality disorders and character flaws of both women.

A train wreck looking for a place to happen, imo.

ITA, and well stated.

[PuffDragon]

No my niece's teacher wrapped duct tape around her mouth all around her hair for talking in class.. Made her go like that all day.. Didnt even take it off at lunchtime 10 minutes before school was out she took it off Mindy.. when Mindy got home my brother went ballistic...even took some of her skin..HE was PIZZED call cops took her to police station they took pics called dcfs on the teacher went to board of ed...went to principals house and every board members house that night... Lets just say he won the lawsuit against school and teacher. she was in 3rd grade.....

That's barbaric!!! That teacher should never get a chance to teach again. Probably a really lousy teacher and never belonged in a classroom anyway if s/he had to duct tape a child to control her.

[SavannahStar]

Yes, it totally contradicts what George said WITH Cindy's help.

Correct, George said they came out of casey's room with their backbacks, said goodbye and left like any normal day....not a mention of breakfast.

I replayed the tape 3 times to be sure I heard her say that. The detective just kept talking, not sure he even caught that inconsistency.:scared:

If something is NOT mentioned, how is it contradictory?

[Venus]

I totally agree. Go ahead and call DCF and say, my daughter lies and is a sociopath and see what they do. I think some people don't understand how many sociopaths and people who have mental illness have children. Just because someone steals, its just not enough under most circumstances to uproot a child. Its sad of course, the system is a mess.

my opinion

Florida's DCF isn't very aggressive, or on top of things anyway.

[IM4Truth]

We don't know what Cindy viewed as Casey being unfit. Caylee is dead...you don't think she really needed an advocate? Even Cindy's co workers suggested she take Caylee from Casey.

I'm not saying that Cindy shouldn't have taken Caylee. I agree, I would have never let things go the way Cindy did. I just think that Cindy was trying to justify in her mind that Casey was working and being a good mother, while questioning it in her heart. As I keep saying, too little, too late. But we can't change the past, we can't turn back the clock. Now Cindy will have to live with it for the rest of her days.

[SwFlorida]

Good Lord. Now I've heard it all. A church of all places they're going to "refuse certain people". I am speechless now.
Me too Pooh.

I was all for a public memorial at 1st. Now I dont think I would have one. The chaos continues. Picking & choosing who can come. C~R~A~Z~Y,,, But that's the Anthony's...and actually it really doesn't surprise me.. IMO
:thumbdown:

[happygert]

Thank you Gertie, I think you speak for many of us on this board. I don't have to walk in the anthony shoes to be certain I would not be behaving like them.

There is a huge difference between honestly discussing exactly what the anthonys have done FROM DAY ONE and bashing them. Too bad some of our lecturerers don't get that. imo.

ITA...Its there actions were discussing...yes too bad they don't see we had nothing to do with the way they have acted ...But the facts are the facts.....Their actions their words....

[IM4Truth]

Changing gears slightly.....

Did anyone else note that in Cindy's interview with LE she told them George fed Caylee breakfast on the morning of the 16th. I had forgotten she said that until I re-listened to part of the tape last night.

In fact, I thought I remembered George saying something about getting Caylee a bowl of cereal that morning.

[gaelicpeas]

If that is so then why doesnt cindy seek the truth instead of lying and covering up for her daughter? Cindy may not be responsible for caylee's death but she is responsible for casey's continued denial and outrageous lies by condoning and enabling her. Why is that? If i had a daughter and she were charged with murder i would do everything to seek the truth from her instead of lying and covering up for her. That is not normal human behaviour.I was re-reading Lee's first LE interview this morning, and he thought that even Casey thought Cindy was enabling her. Let me see if I can find the quote... here it is on page 15:

"I think she was trying to say that you know, you have been enabling me"

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/01%20Lee%20Anthony%20July%2029,%202008.pdf

[KittyMom]

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:48 PM EST, February 5, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

From the link: The public is invited to this service, but the Anthonys and the church do have the right to refuse entry to certain people, Conway said.

We know Lenny is on the NOT INVITED list.

IMO


Good grief, are they gonna have bouncers at the door?

[need2no]

Yep and when things got tough and Casey wanted to come back home Caylee would still be there. Casey was no longer the princess in the family Caylee was. Jealousy played a big part in this. jmo

Yes, the situation would not have been a cure all by any means.

You know when I heard the story about Cindy holding Caylee first and casey being resentful and jealous I was like huh. I can honestly say if my mom had held my children first it would not bothered me in the least...but then I love my mother, and we have a good relationship. If this upset casey sooooooo much, to me it proves there were already big mother/daughter relationship issues in that dysfunctional family way before Caylee came on this earth.

ETA: what if the somehow the father of Caylee plays into why Cindy felt it was acceptable for her to hold the baby first. >eek<

[IM4Truth]

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:48 PM EST, February 5, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

From the link: The public is invited to this service, but the Anthonys and the church do have the right to refuse entry to certain people, Conway said.

We know Lenny is on the NOT INVITED list.

IMO

My bet is he will show up in front of the cameras!

[steffaroob4]

Thank you, Steff, I don't think people can truely understand how frustrating it is until they've seen some of these situations. It really takes a lot to legally get help for children who really need it. It's in the courts hands, sadly.

I think most people would be shocked to learn that even people with severe mental illness can keep their children in most cases, there are no easy answers. I can't fault the Anthony's for anything as far a decisions they made before this all happened. I do however have serious issues with things they have done after LE was involved. Life is full of hard choices, I never know which is the right one to make.

[Lapis]

And you attacks on me and others were just fine?

IF Casey was held accountable for the theft, she could be arrested. I don't know what state you are in, but yes, the system will remove children from homes even if they are not being beaten, neglect is another reason to remove a child from the custody of a parent. IF Cindy was the sole support for this child, and she felt Casey was unfit due to her actions, her unemployment, her lack of care for Caylee...she most certainly could have made a report with CPS.

The point is, that they complained, but no effort was made to correct the situation.

Lets think this through logically. The natural mother is always considered to be the best caregiver for the child. That's true even in divorce cases. (Unfair but that's where the court starts). Anyone seeking to remove the child from the natural parent most likely would hire an attorney. This is not the kind of case a lawyer takes for free. They will require a hefty retainer. In my area its about $25,000. Let's assume the Anthony's have that type of money and pay the retainer.

The Anthony's go into court and show that Casey is unemployed, spends her days and nights partying, and is stealing from the family.

The first answer the court wants is who is the father and why are they not seeking any support from him. Now we do an investigation into the father and get support. So now Casey has some money to help support Caylee. Even if he is dead SS benefits would be available (and quite frankly could be more money than child support and easier to collect)

Next, Casey did you know about all the programs available to help persons in your position? So now they sign Casey and Caylee up for these programs, including but not limited to: Child care, insurance, aid to families with dependent children, food stamps, Section 8 housing, .....

So what do the Anthony's get for all that money they paid? Casey and Caylee are no longer living at home and they have alienated Casey. I guess now they can try to get some visitation under grandparents rights. Another court battle and more money and bad feelings.

And would any of this saved Caylee if the motive was she didn't want to be saddled with the child and didn't want to leave her with C &G?

Tracian, I don't mean to pick on you, but thought your post was a good starting point. As usual JMO

[KittyMom]

Correct. Cindy had no problem talking about Casey, accept to anyone that could really help her, this also supports that Cindy is not living in complete denial about what kind of mother Casey was.

goodness, she even ignored her co-workers when she got back from the towyard and told them the car smelled like a dead body and they told her to go home and call LE. It took her supervisor telling her to go home before she did.

[5boxersmom]

Yes, the situation would not have been a cure all by any means.

You know when I heard the story about Cindy holding Caylee first and casey being resentful and jealous I was like huh. I can honestly say if my mom had held my children first it would not bothered me in the least...but then I love my mother, and we have a good relationship. If this upset casey sooooooo much, to me it proves there were already big mother/daughter relationship issues in that dysfunctional family way before Caylee came on this earth.

Yep I never understood the whole who held Caylee first thing. I would have been upset if my mom had no wanted to hold my baby not that she held her.

jmo

[Heyes]

mo, but depends on the drug...

eta, i meant yes..

I personaly kicked cocaine habit when serving time in prison...i did 3 yrs flat///

that was many moons ago...94-96

I have been clean since 1996....and in no trouble since that time

Big loving congrats to witchywoman!
Well done girl!
:thumbsup:

[Dtviewer3]

I've read Rick's emails, don't remember every detail of them. I don't put a lot of weight into what Rick said or didn't say, and I'll tell you why. I know he was posting publicly about this case on at least one message board. To me, that's wrong. No matter how you look at it. I don't care how upset he was at Cindy, Casey or George or the whole family. You DON'T go in public and air your family's dirty laundry. The fact that he did that, for whatever motive he may have had, makes much of what he said very suspect.

Talk about ax to grind. :sneaky:

Ummmmm, did you forget what YOU wrote again?

SavannahStar
"Who said that Cindy convinced her? You say you have no doubt...but is that in an interview somewhere? All I have seen is that the grandmother decided not to press charges, because of Caylee"

So now you are going to dismiss what Rick and Cindy and Cindy's mother discussed in their e-mails because he went on a message board?

So where have 'YOU seen' "that the Grandmother decided not to press charges because of Caylee"?

Oh, wait, I know.

You saw another poster state that yesterday..........

[IM4Truth]

Thank you Gertie, I think you speak for many of us on this board. I don't have to walk in the anthony shoes to be certain I would not be behaving like them.

There is a huge difference between honestly discussing exactly what the anthonys have done FROM DAY ONE and bashing them. Too bad some of our lecturerers don't get that. imo.

Regina, you hit the nail on the head. It's not just about what the Anthony's have done from day one, but what they should have done prior to all of this. Most everyone agrees on all of that, but they just want to keep yelling about it over and over. Is someone actually going to be able to change what they did or didn't do?

[need2no]

Good grief, are they gonna have bouncers at the door?


LOL :tonguewag:


Yeah, standing right past the full body xray scan machine the guests have to walk through.

[SavannahStar]

Florida's DCF isn't very aggressive, or on top of things anyway.


That's an understatement. I live here. I know it.

[Pooh]

Me too Pooh.

I was all for a public memorial at 1st. Now I dont think I would have one. The chaos continues. Picking & choosing who can come. C~R~A~Z~Y,,, But that's the Anthony's...and actually it really doesn't surprise me.. IMO
:thumbdown:

If they're afraid of protesters or anyone else, a public memorial is not the forum imo. At that point, have your memorial in peace, by yourselves.

[WillowInFlight]

Yep I never understood the whole who held Caylee first thing. I would have been upset if my mom had no wanted to hold my baby not that she held her.

jmo

For some reason that was a sticking point for Casey, I wonder if Cindy threw that in her face a lot.

[PuffDragon]

mo, but depends on the drug...

eta, i meant yes..

I personaly kicked cocaine habit when serving time in prison...i did 3 yrs flat///

that was many moons ago...94-96

I have been clean since 1996....and in no trouble since that time

That's a commendable achievement witchy, good for you!:thumbup:

[happygert]

That's barbaric!!! That teacher should never get a chance to teach again. Probably a really lousy teacher and never belonged in a classroom anyway if s/he had to duct tape a child to control her.

School board didnt want brother to do anything because she didnt have long to go to retire...everyone at school seen her that way they all were in gym for assembly that day... she didnt even get to eat lunch sent her to lunch room like that several teachers and principal seen her like that and DID NOTHING! and top it off she's ASMATIC.. My brothers pretty easy going EXCEPT when it comes to his kids the tempers fly It takes a lot to get him mad but when you do watch out.....

[SavannahStar]

Ummmmm, did you forget what YOU wrote again?

snipped




No I didn't forget...how could I...the posts were minutes apart.

I said I read Rick's emails and didn't remember all the details. Did you read that?

[Venus]

Do you think it would be okay to let in any of the "protestors" that screamed in front of their house nightly for so long? No telling what those people might do in a church at that memorial. :ohmy:


They should be allowed to enter. If they cause problems, then they would be escorted out of the building.

[Lapis]

I agree it is expensive, but major expense comes into play if the parent of the child is fighting to retain custody. If you have 2 high dollar attorneys going tooth and nail to win for their client many additional costs are involved...such as PI's, independent home studies, and depositions of witnesses. In this situation casey would not have been able to afford a high dollar attorney or all the bells and whistles to fight Cindy, and I think the battle (if there was one), would have been won fairly easy by Cindy and George. At the very least the court would have given them guardianship rights over Caylee.


Not that I think Cindy would have been a good choice for raising Caylee, mind you.

She would have been assigned an attorney and the State would have picked up the tab. In custody cases its not the one with the most money that wins. JMO

[5boxersmom]

For some reason that was a sticking point for Casey, I wonder if Cindy threw that in her face a lot.

Could have been considering how many times we have heard it mentioned by different people.

jmo

[bchand]

Yes, it totally contradicts what George said WITH Cindy's help.

Correct, George said they came out of casey's room with their backbacks, said goodbye and left like any normal day....not a mention of breakfast.

I replayed the tape 3 times to be sure I heard her say that. The detective just kept talking, not sure he even caught that inconsistency.:scared:

Ok, I don't believe anything that any of them say but I'll have to go back to George's statement to see if this would be a problem. I know George gave his explanation as to the "last time" he saw them, but did he go into detail about the entire morning?

[Regina.Lampert]

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
2:48 PM EST, February 5, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

From the link: The public is invited to this service, but the Anthonys and the church do have the right to refuse entry to certain people, Conway said.

We know Lenny is on the NOT INVITED list.

IMO

Thanks for posting the latest AMS. Once again the anthonys prove they can't do anything with dignity, instead they go for the drama. What an appalling family. imo.

[IM4Truth]

I'll go one step further and say even the Grunds knew how much Casey neglected this child, for days on END. So said Sr Grund. And i believe him. They had little legal recourse available to them if they were not blood though. All they could have done was called cps on her. As a parent of teen and her ex girlfriend it's usually not the route a parent wants to take. I forgive this the Grunds. I will never forgive this the
Anthony's Four.

Kat

What neglect for days on end are the Grunds referring to? That Casey left Caylee with them when she lied about having a job and going out to party? Neglect? No, she left Caylee where she was safe and loved. No matter where Casey was, the Grunds agreed to babysit. What could they do, call DCF and say "I agreed to babysit with this little girl while her mother was working but I think the mother is lying to me and not working at all." What do you think DCF could do? Now if Casey left her there for days on end, never came back to get her, then DCF could do something.

[*MoonRider*]

Good Lord. Now I've heard it all. A church of all places they're going to "refuse certain people". I am speechless now.
I'll bet the Grunds are not allowed. :sad:

[KittyMom]

Who said that Cindy convinced her? You say you have no doubt...but is that in an interview somewhere? All I have seen is that the grandmother decided not to press charges, because of Caylee.

I'm talking about what we have a record of...not what you think.

(Meaning no disrespect, Kitty.)

Well, I have included in my siggy that this is my opinion. And just like fannies, we've all got one.

I don't have the time to look for it, but I'm sure you know that the emails LE obtained from Shirley's computer contain info about the theft of the money and the conversations that Shirley and Cindy had about such. Feel free to reread and then you'll have your record. :thumbsup:

[PuffDragon]

There is the chance that Casey never had any prenatal care. Lots of teens do that when they hide their pregnancy. Casey's mom was a nurse. I'm sure she knew what to do and who to see during Casey's last two months. Casey had Caylee after the age 0f 18, so I'm not sure Cindy had any insurance that would have covered. Perhaps Cindy simply checked out and took care of Casey during that time. She never had to go to a clinic.

I have it listed as Hearsay. We just have no idea at all. We hashed out the insurance angle a few months ago..... didn't we come to the consensus that Casey probably didn't have any, although she was working at the time? Because it wasn't that much of a job? Or am I misremembering?

[Venus]

I've read Rick's emails, don't remember every detail of them. I don't put a lot of weight into what Rick said or didn't say, and I'll tell you why. I know he was posting publicly about this case on at least one message board. To me, that's wrong. No matter how you look at it. I don't care how upset he was at Cindy, Casey or George or the whole family. You DON'T go in public and air your family's dirty laundry. The fact that he did that, for whatever motive he may have had, makes much of what he said very suspect.

Talk about ax to grind. :sneaky:

IMO, Rick is the only level headed person related to them that we've heard from since this all started.

I put more stock into what Rick says than anything the rest of the A's say.

I feel like Rick was posting on that other message board in order to try and give the public a little insight to this family's dysfunction.

[AMS]

Good Lord. Now I've heard it all. A church of all places they're going to "refuse certain people". I am speechless now.


Wonder if there will be donation baskets?

IMO

[IM4Truth]

What baffles me is if Cindy wanted Caylee and Casey wanted a life without being tied down by a child...then why didn't she just let Cindy have her??

Probably because she would have been thrown off the Gravy Train?

[Neffy]

How do you know what you would do until it happened to you. Then lets say it does, wouldn't it kinda shock your core?

I would hope no one here has a plan on how to act if their child murdrers their grandchild actually.

my opinion


We would act the same as we carried our life before with integrity and values. We would not hide, cover up lie or interfere. Our values would not change.

The Anthony's seemed not to have changed a thing either on how they led their life before when dealing with situations or covering things up.

Very rarely do people change value or integrity. How grief affects your everyday life is another story and handled differently and an individual thing.

[need2no]

In fact, I thought I remembered George saying something about getting Caylee a bowl of cereal that morning.

Do you recall if that was stated in the interview with LE, or the FBI?

[Pooh]

I'll bet the Grunds are not allowed. :sad:

OMG! Could you imagine them arriving at the church and being told they couldn't enter?? I don't know why I continue to be surprised by this family but I am. I should have learned by now.

[ConchGirl]

Thanks for posting the latest AMS. Once again the anthonys prove they can't do anything with dignity, instead they go for the drama. What an appalling family. imo.

I hope they do a private service first. I don't think George is strong enough for the Big affair. moo

[happy2bme]

I'd think more than just red marks. A child's face? Pulling some layers of skin off for sure.

And no, I'm not thinking of putting my face on the line to test that theory. My investigation ended with the gloves and duct tape.


ITA especially with duct tape. My son has ADD and he wears a Daytrana patch on his hip on school days. I have to alternate hips because it gets raw.

[PuffDragon]

Exactly! why didnt she do something when she was whining about how unfit casey was? IMO because she really didnt want Caylee 24/7....moo

Heck go thru timeline and see exactly how much time cindy could have spent with Caylee on a daily basis...NOT much imo... cindy left for work around 7:30-8:00 she got home around 5:30- 6:00 and Caylees betime was what 7 or 8.. how much time did cindy spend with Caylee? and don't forgot she had to cook in between those hours.....moo

Phew, and Nancy thinks Lennie really has it in for Cindy!!! She has obviously not been reading here or she'd realize that in comparison Lennie has only a mild antagonism for her. :wink:

[Venus]

Cindy's a nurse. How hard would it be for her to arrange low-cost or no-cost care for her granddaughter? Piece of cake, I'm guessing.


Oh please. Nurses have to pay just like everybody else.

[KittyMom]

IIRC DCF reported that there were no previous records, however, if there were any, they are confidential. What does Cindy being a nurse have to do with DCF?

Here in GA she'd be considered a mandated reporter. As would anyone working with child, health care, clergy, or anyone suspecting abuse of a child. I'm praying FL has the same type of regulation identifying those expected to report abuse and requiring them to have training in such. Anyone from FL know?

[AMS]

OMG! Could you imagine them arriving at the church and being told they couldn't enter?? I don't know why I continue to be surprised by this family but I am. I should have learned by now.

Wonder how they will do this? Publish a list of people not invited? Cindy standing at the door stamping people's hands?

IMO.

[Texas Native]

As far as we know Caylee was never physically abused. Emotionally, according to statements, she was a bright happy child. She was clean, well dressed and well fed. There is next to no chance the Court would remove her from her natural mother’s custody.

More likely the Court would have assigned a Social Worker who would get Casey financial aid, Section 8 housing and Medicaid.

BTW, only suspected physical or sexual abuse fall under the mandatory reporting laws.

I remember a hairdresser saw Caylee with a bruse near her eye and took a picture of Caylee. I also remember Cindy asking Casey about the hairdresser in jail. I guess we will hear more about that at trial.

[IM4Truth]

Which leads me back to being amazed that Casey didn't at least milk the welfare system. Insurance, food stamps, child care [sorry, no nanny], etc.

Probably because she wouldn't give up the info on the father of the baby. She would have to report how and where she was living and providing for the baby without a job.

[desmom]

I did not see this in the links thread and apologize if it is a duplicate post:

Caylee Anthony's Funeral Planned For Feb. 10
http://www.wesh.com/news/18638266/detail.html

Caylee Anthony Memorial Set For Tuesday
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18646703/detail.html#-

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

[Tracian]

I've read Rick's emails, don't remember every detail of them. I don't put a lot of weight into what Rick said or didn't say, and I'll tell you why. I know he was posting publicly about this case on at least one message board. To me, that's wrong. No matter how you look at it. I don't care how upset he was at Cindy, Casey or George or the whole family. You DON'T go in public and air your family's dirty laundry. The fact that he did that, for whatever motive he may have had, makes much of what he said very suspect.

Talk about ax to grind. :sneaky:



yeah, Rick should have just drank the A's Kool Aid and walked lock step...after all this is all about protecting Casey. Rick tried to get Cindy to do the right thing, make Casey tell the truth and stop going on TV and making a fool of herself. He loves his sister and parents and is concerned even about Casey going to Death Row. Sometimes it takes someone to just tell the truth, that should not make him the bad guy.

[WillowInFlight]

Wonder if there will be donation baskets?

IMO

If they have plans to sell the videotape of the memorial, they won't need the baskets.

[Neffy]

I've read Rick's emails, don't remember every detail of them. I don't put a lot of weight into what Rick said or didn't say, and I'll tell you why. I know he was posting publicly about this case on at least one message board. To me, that's wrong. No matter how you look at it. I don't care how upset he was at Cindy, Casey or George or the whole family. You DON'T go in public and air your family's dirty laundry. The fact that he did that, for whatever motive he may have had, makes much of what he said very suspect.

Talk about ax to grind. :sneaky:

He wasn't airing "dirty laundry" he was claryfing the "dirty laundry" that was out there.

Baby Grace's grandmother came to this board did the same thing. I'd posted on boards Martha Moxley's mother posted on. I could probably go on but I'm sure you get the point.

[AMS]

If they have plans to sell the videotape of the memorial, they won't need the baskets.

Good point Willow.

:thumbdown:

[Unperson1984]

Here in GA she'd be considered a mandated reporter. As would anyone working with child, health care, clergy, or anyone suspecting abuse of a child. I'm praying FL has the same type of regulation identifying those expected to report abuse and requiring them to have training in such. Anyone from FL know?

That applies to suspected physical or sexual abuse.

[Pooh]

Wonder how they will do this? Publish a list of people not invited? Cindy standing at the door stamping people's hands?

IMO.

Good question. They couldn't possibly CALL 5,000 people and invite them ahead of time. They'd have to do it on the fly so Cindy must gonna be at the door to give the thumbs up or thumbs down. It boggles the mind what goes through the heads of these people.

[PuffDragon]

I think Cindy did know but, as usual, lied to everyone else and pretended she didn't know. Somewhere (and I have no idea where it was) I thought I read a statement by Cindy, or heard her say in a video, that she knew Casey was pregnant and was waiting for her to come to her and tell her. Of course, there are so many "facts" running through my brain that I may be imagining that.

But I firmly believe that Cindy knew. She's not THAT stupid. IMO.

*Bolding mine

I remember that too, but IIRC it was near the end of the pregnancy, not much sooner than when Casey admitted it.

[KittyMom]

I've read Rick's emails, don't remember every detail of them. I don't put a lot of weight into what Rick said or didn't say, and I'll tell you why. I know he was posting publicly about this case on at least one message board. To me, that's wrong. No matter how you look at it. I don't care how upset he was at Cindy, Casey or George or the whole family. You DON'T go in public and air your family's dirty laundry. The fact that he did that, for whatever motive he may have had, makes much of what he said very suspect.

Talk about ax to grind. :sneaky:

And do you feel that way about every case where a family member posts on their case?

[happygert]

I understand, but money is everything and if the Anthonys did not have enough, what can you do? Do you think Casey was just going to sign her meal ticket over without a fight? What if she did, and she later killed Caylee during a visitation? There is nothing Casey did prior to Caylees death that warrants a child to be taken from her mother never to see her again. Sadly I think dealing with a mentally ill person isn't as easy as some think it is.

my opinion


They drove new cars sell em if they needed the money take casey's car ...I know I would sell everything I have to protect my grandson.. meal ticket she had no income ..no child support nothing.. she was stealing money from everyone and it wasn't for Caylee..

IF cindy had tried and then something happened to Caylee then I would have said cindy did everything she COULD HAVE to try and PROTECT Caylee however cindy did nothing!

[Tracian]

Phew, and Nancy thinks Lennie really has it in for Cindy!!! She has obviously not been reading here or she'd realize that in comparison Lennie has only a mild antagonism for her. :wink:


Oh for goodness sake, no one has it OUT for Cindy...Cindy has created the opinion of her for some people by her actions and her's alone.

[happy2bme]

Good grief, are they gonna have bouncers at the door?

Better yet is Cindy gonna stand at the door and pick and choose who can enter?

[Neffy]

I did not see this in the links thread and apologize if it is a duplicate post:

Caylee Anthony's Funeral Planned For Feb. 10
http://www.wesh.com/news/18638266/detail.html

Caylee Anthony Memorial Set For Tuesday
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18646703/detail.html#-

Public memorial for Caylee Marie Anthony will be Tuesday
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-memorial-020509,0,5042925.story

I thought it was a public memorial service. ITS A PUBLIC FUNERAL? :scared:

EDITED: only saws the one link when I'd posted. I'm looking forward to Wednesday when this is all put behind .

[Unperson1984]

If they have plans to sell the videotape of the memorial, they won't need the baskets.

Would the Church allow them to profit? I read that it's the Church's video equipment.

[SavannahStar]

They should be allowed to enter. If they cause problems, then they would be escorted out of the building.

I wouldn't take that chance. Given the high profile nature of this case and the hatred toward the Anthonys.

[Lapis]

I have a question about DCF. If Casey had ever been sentenced to jail for theft would the court have ask her where she would have been leaving her minor child? Or would she have just left her with George and Cindy? She then would have had to sign something over to them right? Temporary custody?

Just asking because I have no idea how that might have worked.

Could that have been the first step for Cindy to get custody?

Something would have been done legally for Caylee. But it is unlikely she would have gone to jail. The amounts were relatively minor and would be misdemeanors and not felonies. Restitution would be ordered and she would pay a fine and be put on probation at worst. JMO

[caphill]

As far as we know Caylee was never physically abused. Emotionally, according to statements, she was a bright happy child. She was clean, well dressed and well fed. There is next to no chance the Court would remove her from her natural mother’s custody.

More likely the Court would have assigned a Social Worker who would get Casey financial aid, Section 8 housing and Medicaid.

BTW, only suspected physical or sexual abuse fall under the mandatory reporting laws.


ITA. Some of Casey's friends that observed her when she had Caylee have stated that she carefully watched over her. Some friends said she spoiled Caylee. I have not read any of the statements from anyone that said Casey in any way showed abusive behavior to Caylee.

That is what is makes this case so confusing.

[5boxersmom]

They drove new cars sell em if they needed the money take casey's car ...I know I would sell everything I have to protect my grandson.. meal ticket she had no income ..no child support nothing.. she was stealing money from everyone and it wasn't for Caylee..

IF cindy had tried and then something happened to Caylee then I would have said cindy did everything she COULD HAVE to try and PROTECT Caylee however cindy did nothing!

ITA.

Did any of them want Caylee 24/7? You have a baby that's what it is 24/7.

If Casey did want to give Caylee up for adoption and Cindy wouldn't let her what made Cindy think she would want her? Does that make sense?

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

LOL :tonguewag:


Yeah, standing right past the full body xray scan machine the guests have to walk through.

I think there are plans to search people too, can you imagine? A circus, pure and simple. Am I surprised? NOPE.


:thumbdown:

[happygert]

Phew, and Nancy thinks Lennie really has it in for Cindy!!! She has obviously not been reading here or she'd realize that in comparison Lennie has only a mild antagonism for her. :wink:

Sorry Puff but that's my opinion of cindy.... casey being an unfit mom was cindys words not mine... she didnt PROTECT Caylee.......moo..

[SavannahStar]

And do you feel that way about every case where a family member posts on their case?


:confused:

And that is relevant how?

Do I ask you about what you post in other cases? :smile:

[SwFlorida]

Good grief, are they gonna have bouncers at the door?

And donation jars and who knows they may even pass a plate around. IMO:angry:


Would not surprise me...










,,:thumbdown:

[PuffDragon]

Cindy claimed that Casey's job covered the pregnancy/birth IIRC.

Did she? And did it? I thought we'd all come to the conclusion that there wasn't any insurance? Now I'm confused.

[Tracian]

That applies to suspected physical or sexual abuse.


I don't know about FL but in CA it also applies to any form of neglect. My hubby is a teacher, and they have to sign the standards of reporting every year.

The thing is, if Cindy was concerned, even if no one would have come out, she would be creating a paper trail...and that would help her in the future should she need to actually choose to go to court.

[need2no]

Ok, I don't believe anything that any of them say but I'll have to go back to George's statement to see if this would be a problem. I know George gave his explanation as to the "last time" he saw them, but did he go into detail about the entire morning?

Here's the version reported to Greta:

CINDY ANTHONY: No, it’s June 15, Father’s Day, which was mistaken early on because, you know, I never even thought about what day Father’s Day was. I just — I knew it was a Sunday in June I had taken that video, and I knew that was the last day that I physically saw her, even though I knew where she was sleeping the next morning. My husband actually saw Caylee and Casey leave on the 16th of June.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So the 15th is Sunday, Father’s Day. Everything’s normal, everything’s fine. The next morning is the last day that either you or George saw her. Do you remember about what time of day it was?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, specifically. I remember it was 10 minutes to 1:00 on Monday the 16th.

VAN SUSTEREN: So in the middle of the afternoon or early afternoon.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it was shortly after the lunchtime hour. I was watching a favorite show I like to watch on TV, a news…

CINDY ANTHONY: Before you go to work.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it’s was a Food Channel thing I watched, so…

VAN SUSTEREN: And was it — you were watching here in the living room.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Right, and I was sitting right here, almost in the same spot, just watching it, and saw my granddaughter and my daughter come out, you know, with their backpacks and…

CINDY ANTHONY: Like any other day.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Just like a normal thing type thing.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know where they were headed with the backpacks?

GEORGE ANTHONY: My daughter said that she was going to work, dropping her daughter off at the nanny’s house, and that was it. I give them both hugs, kisses and saw them go out the door like a typical thing that they’ve — that she’s done.

VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing out of the ordinary?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Just smiles, hugs. Dad, we’ll see you tomorrow because I might be working a little bit late, type deal. And that was it.

[SavannahStar]

Why would he have perfect recollection of the time they left and what they were wearing, right down to the barrettes in Caylee's hair ... but not remember he served her breakfast?

Simple. He didn't serve her breakfast. Just like he didn't see them leave that day, imo.


It's not simple.

He was not ASKED by LE if he served them breakfast, or what went on prior to him seeing them leave.

You can make all the guesses in the world, but if he was not ASKED then we don't KNOW what happened prior to that.

Period.

[ConchGirl]

I wouldn't take that chance. Given the high profile nature of this case and the hatred toward the Anthonys.

No Casey equals No Protesters.

[Myka]

Wonder how they will do this? Publish a list of people not invited? Cindy standing at the door stamping people's hands?

IMO.

you forgot she would be checking ppl for cell phone cameras

[IM4Truth]

Florida's DCF isn't very aggressive, or on top of things anyway.

How do you base this opinion?

[Tracian]

:confused:

And that is relevant how?

Do I ask you about what you post in other cases? :smile:


I think you misunderstood what was asked, Kitty was asking if you feel in any case, should a family member who is part of that case posts on a public forum they are airing their dirty laundry and have an ax to grind.

[ishkabibble]

Hi ish! :seeya: I think you nailed it. The "surpise" was to tell Mark Hawkins she was moving to California. The rest of your post sounds exactly like something Casey had in her plans.

Hello Pooh!!!

As long as Caylee never attended any type of school or daycare where her disappearance would raise a reg flag, I think this scenario could possibly work. The family is a very small unit. No reason an out of state accidental death or fatal illness couldn't be passed off. Casey kept her friendships and family separate, so she easily could maintain this story. If the car had not been impounded and Geo and Cindy had not gotten involved, I think she may have tried it. IF she had gotten to California and had Caylee "with" her, would George and Cindy have ever suspected the child found in December was Caylee? For that matter, without Caylee having been reported missing would Kronk have even found her? I guess we may never know, but this is the theory that I keep coming back to.

[KittyMom]

Cindy's a nurse. How hard would it be for her to arrange low-cost or no-cost care for her granddaughter? Piece of cake, I'm guessing.

What are you saying, that she'd have "appropriated" immunizations for her grandchild??? That would certainly cost her her nursing license. Sorry, I just can't believe that she'd have risked her only source of stable income to do that.

[Unperson1984]

ITA. Some of Casey's friends that observed her when she had Caylee have stated that she carefully watched over her. Some friends said she spoiled Caylee. I have not read any of the statements from anyone that said Casey in any way showed abusive behavior to Caylee.

That is what is makes this case so confusing.

I agree, there is something so disconcerting about something like this happening with no warning signs.

[need2no]

How do you base this opinion?

Google Fl DCF...not a pretty picture.

[Puffybubble]

We would act the same as we carried our life before with integrity and values. We would not hide, cover up lie or interfere. Our values would not change.

The Anthony's seemed not to have changed a thing either on how they led their life before when dealing with situations or covering things up.

Very rarely do people change value or integrity. How grief affects your everyday life is another story and handled differently and an individual thing.

Oh, ok. I haven't braced myself for this horrible life experience, I have no idea how I would act or how gracious I would be to my whole life being open for inspection and the huge possibility my child killed my precious grandchild, I don't think I would be remotely sane and rational.

my opinion

[SwFlorida]

Big loving congrats to witchywoman!
Well done girl!
:thumbsup:

WW You go girl!!! :thumbsup:

[Venus]

How do you base this opinion?

It's not an opinion. It's a fact based on the other children that have been neglected by the Social Service system in the State of Florida.

[Regina.Lampert]

Wonder how they will do this? Publish a list of people not invited? Cindy standing at the door stamping people's hands?

IMO.

I'm thinking Kathy Belich ain't going to be allowed in either. Maybe she can go stand beside Lois, Ricardo, Jesse and Lenny.

[spiritwolf46]

Why would he have perfect recollection of the time they left and what they were wearing, right down to the barrettes in Caylee's hair ... but not remember he served her breakfast?

Simple. He didn't serve her breakfast. Just like he didn't see them leave that day, imo.

Wasn't he also corrected on the TV show he was watching?

[Pooh]

Hello Pooh!!!

As long as Caylee never attended any type of school or daycare where her disappearance would raise a reg flag, I think this scenario could possibly work. The family is a very small unit. No reason an out of state accidental death or fatal illness couldn't be passed off. Casey kept her friendships and family separate, so she easily could maintain this story. If the car had not been impounded and Geo and Cindy had not gotten involved, I think she may have tried it. IF she had gotten to California and had Caylee "with" her, would George and Cindy have ever suspected the child found in December was Caylee? For that matter, without Caylee having been reported missing would Kronk have even found her? I guess we may never know, but this is the theory that I keep coming back to.

I bet your theory is right. I think that her actions the night of 6/15 when she lost it and put duct tape over Caylee's mouth/nose messed up those plans. Oops.

[Tracian]

Here's the version reported to Greta:

CINDY ANTHONY: No, it’s June 15, Father’s Day, which was mistaken early on because, you know, I never even thought about what day Father’s Day was. I just — I knew it was a Sunday in June I had taken that video, and I knew that was the last day that I physically saw her, even though I knew where she was sleeping the next morning. My husband actually saw Caylee and Casey leave on the 16th of June.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So the 15th is Sunday, Father’s Day. Everything’s normal, everything’s fine. The next morning is the last day that either you or George saw her. Do you remember about what time of day it was?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, specifically. I remember it was 10 minutes to 1:00 on Monday the 16th.

VAN SUSTEREN: So in the middle of the afternoon or early afternoon.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it was shortly after the lunchtime hour. I was watching a favorite show I like to watch on TV, a news…

CINDY ANTHONY: Before you go to work.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it’s was a Food Channel thing I watched, so…

VAN SUSTEREN: And was it — you were watching here in the living room.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Right, and I was sitting right here, almost in the same spot, just watching it, and saw my granddaughter and my daughter come out, you know, with their backpacks and…

CINDY ANTHONY: Like any other day.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Just like a normal thing type thing.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you know where they were headed with the backpacks?

GEORGE ANTHONY: My daughter said that she was going to work, dropping her daughter off at the nanny’s house, and that was it. I give them both hugs, kisses and saw them go out the door like a typical thing that they’ve — that she’s done.

VAN SUSTEREN: Nothing out of the ordinary?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Just smiles, hugs. Dad, we’ll see you tomorrow because I might be working a little bit late, type deal. And that was it.



Like any other day? Hmmm...See that makes me suspicious..if this was a normal run of the mill thing, why did George know to the slightest detail what Casey and Caylee were wearing over a month earlier?

At that time he would not need to remember that, it would not be something that struck him as unusual, so the 'detail' seems disingenuous to me.

[Venus]

Google Fl DCF...not a pretty picture.


Exactly! Florida is that state that actually loses children while they're in the system!

[IM4Truth]

That's an understatement. I live here. I know it.

I live here too and I take offense to these statements. You might live here but what do you really know about DCF other than the negative news you hear. Do you ever watch the positive clips on the local news? We've just had some recently here in Miami. I know people who work in the field. They are on call, have to use their own vehicles, underpaid, overworked, and the State has no money to hire more staff. I'll stop now, it's o/t anyway.

[WillowInFlight]

Wasn't he also corrected on the TV show he was watching?

Thats what I thought, because I wondered how Cindy would know, if she was at work.

[happygert]

Better yet is Cindy gonna stand at the door and pick and choose who can enter?

I think there's 2 that won't be allowed in Tim Miller and Lenny...mo

[KittyMom]

That applies to suspected physical or sexual abuse.

Any and all forms of abuse.

[Ladyhawk]

I would say Cindy "observed or knew" something since she went so far as to call her own daughter a sociopath. This was several weeks before the 15th.

Sure Cindy knew there is something "wrong" with Casey. She knows this very day that there is something "wrong" with Casey. She doesn't really want to see her daughter punished for what she's done because she believes (IMO) that what's wrong can be fixed and Casey cannot help what has happened to her that caused her to be "wrong". I believe Cindy understands that Casey did not choose to become what she is.

[Venus]

This whole argument about the protesters is ridiculous, imo. The protesters weren't some street gang roaming the neighborhood looking for trouble. They were in front of the A's home while Casey was out on bail. They were angry about what happened to Caylee. Should they have found something else to do? Of course. Was their behavior admirable? Of course not.

But to assume those people will show up at a memorial for the child whose treatment they were protesting and get all wild and crazy and violent or whatever, doesn't hold water. I don't think even those tacky, foul-mouthed people would have anything to say to the A's inside a church, at a service for Caylee.

In any event, like someone else said above, if the focus is going to be negative about all the people who shouldn't attend, then don't have a public memorial, period.

I agree. But - this whole public service, with conditions, is another display of Cindy's control issues.

[SwFlorida]

Maybe it is my county here that is more aggressive- it took less than 24 hrs for CPS to hit my door on Tuesday afternoon. To say the least I was shocked, but at the same time I thought that they were right on top of things.

and no there is nothing for me to hide so I was not upset- teenage son didn't like the punishment laid down in the house for stealing and decided he was going to go into the sympathy spin at school- nope that didn't work either, still grounded. :biggrin:
That happens often and it has to be checked out. CPS are so overloaded with cases. But when they mess up its he!! to pay. IMO

[Unperson1984]

I don't know about FL but in CA it also applies to any form of neglect. My hubby is a teacher, and they have to sign the standards of reporting every year.

The thing is, if Cindy was concerned, even if no one would have come out, she would be creating a paper trail...and that would help her in the future should she need to actually choose to go to court.

I too am in California and I referred to abuse, not neglect. There is no evidence that Caylee suffered from abuse or neglect, therefore it is highly unlikely the Court would remove her from her natural mother's custody.

[happygert]

Exactly! Florida is that state that actually loses children while they're in the system!

They sure do.....

[5boxersmom]

This whole argument about the protesters is ridiculous, imo. The protesters weren't some street gang roaming the neighborhood looking for trouble. They were in front of the A's home while Casey was out on bail. They were angry about what happened to Caylee. Should they have found something else to do? Of course. Was their behavior admirable? Of course not.

But to assume those people will show up at a memorial for the child whose treatment they were protesting and get all wild and crazy and violent or whatever, doesn't hold water. I don't think even those tacky, foul-mouthed people would have anything to say to the A's inside a church, at a service for Caylee.

In any event, like someone else said above, if the focus is going to be negative about all the people who shouldn't attend, then don't have a public memorial, period.

I doubt there will be any protesters there either. They could always get those biker guys to stand outside and make sure there isn't. I saw they were there to escort Riley Sawyers Grandmother out of the court room the other day when they found the mother guilty.

jmo

[happy2bme]

I'm thinking Kathy Belich ain't going to be allowed in either. Maybe she can go stand beside Lois, Ricardo, Jesse and Lenny.


You forgot Murt:tonguewag:

[Tracian]

Would the Church allow them to profit? I read that it's the Church's video equipment.


It's not hard to copy a tape once it is in your possession.

[Neffy]

Oh, ok. I haven't braced myself for this horrible life experience, I have no idea how I would act or how gracious I would be to my whole life being open for inspection and the huge possibility my child killed my precious grandchild, I don't think I would be remotely sane and rational.

my opinion

Then may I suggest to stay away from doing media tours and not to give interviews if your gut feeling is that you would not be sane or rational.

[Dells]

Gert I feel your passion and you know, I've been so angry at times too in this case. Very upsetting. I have no problem with a few caps here and there, it helps to get points across sometimes. Only ALL caps are considered shouting, I think most people know that?

OH WELL! :cuss:

Stomps feet, and yells, Casey can choke on her treats in her cell for all I care. She looks smelly and gross to me. The way most prisoners look and smell.

At least we have that. And of course I also agree this Public Memorial Idea? A DISASTER in the making. Cancel it now I say. Or be prepared for fainting spells and disasters of the like and frilly coffins covered in
Hearts

Yes, I said it!! These people are fools and are being driven by the almighty dollar. That is the only thing clear to me.

Bolding mine.......

I agree that the public memorial should be canceled. No good is going to come from it. All it is going to do is to rev up everyone's emotions all over again. The Anthony's should have their private memorial and leave it at that. If they want the media to stop bothering them, then they should stay out of the media spotlight. Can you imagine all the publicity this public memorial will create? And poor George. Everyone is going to be looking at him to see how he reacts, etc. He'll probably end up in the hospital all over again.

[bchand]

Did she? And did it? I thought we'd all come to the conclusion that there wasn't any insurance? Now I'm confused.

The delivery of the baby was covered. After that, she didn't return to work, so therefore, there wasn't any insurance.

[spiritwolf46]

I think there's 2 that won't be allowed in Tim Miller and Lenny...mo

You got that right, Happy! Along with all the others who had the audacity to look for their granddaughter!

[PuffDragon]

Caps come across as yelling... JMO but you may receive a warmer welcome by toning it down a bit. I realize the post wasn't directed towards me but maybe take a break if its upsetting you so much.

JMO/IMO

Gert knows she was yelling. She has a very sore spot that flares up when she starts thinking about Cindy. Pretty soon we're all going to have to link hands and drag her back from the edge.:wink:
But we love her anyway.

[SavannahStar]

No Casey equals No Protesters.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that.

[WillowInFlight]

I think there's 2 that won't be allowed in Tim Miller and Lenny...mo

And don't forget Lois.

[Ladyhawk]

Thats what I thought, because I wondered how Cindy would know, if she was at work.

Cindy probably had the parental control activated on the televisions and knew exactly what he could watch and when he could watch it. JK, she couldn't be that controlling......could she?

[newsjunkie]

I think there are plans to search people too, can you imagine? A circus, pure and simple. Am I surprised? NOPE.


:thumbdown:


I would hope that most people would choose another way to grieve , like visit Caylee's gravesite or set up other memorial services.
I hate that the A's think they are so important. We all know how much they like the limelight.
The only one important in all this is Caylee.

[Neffy]

I doubt there will be any protesters there either. They could always get those biker guys to stand outside and make sure there isn't. I saw they were there to escort Riley Sawyers Grandmother out of the court room the other day when they found the mother guilty.

jmo


I also doubt it. Caylee's been found and the prime suspect is behind bars. That's what was being protested.

[Tracian]

I too am in California and I referred to abuse, not neglect. There is no evidence that Caylee suffered from abuse or neglect, therefore it is highly unlikely the Court would remove her from her natural mother's custody.


I was replying to mandated reporters have to report more than just physical and sexual abuse.

Also, I am not the one that told my co workers and complained to family members about Casey being an unfit mother....Cindy, the nurse did.

So was Cindy just lying all over about her daughter? OR did she really believe that Casey was an unfit mother? And what made Cindy think Casey was an unfit mother?

[KittyMom]

:confused:

And that is relevant how?

Do I ask you about what you post in other cases? :smile:

It is relevent in that there are other cases out there where family members come to boards and post. What, exactly, makes it wrong for Rick to post on this case?

[Regina.Lampert]

You forgot Murt:tonguewag:

LOL, I did. I wonder if Greta and/or geraldo will fly down to cover ... er, I mean attend?

[SwFlorida]

Wonder if it will be televised?

[PuffDragon]

I agree,because I have always thought that Caylee may have tattled on Casey about something.The fight was not about the money because the money things were always fixed up.I think the fight was about something that was way over the line and far more serious than "just stealing money".Just my opinion..

My opinion too. And Cindy was getting suspicious so maybe questioning just a little more........

[happygert]

ITA.

Did any of them want Caylee 24/7? You have a baby that's what it is 24/7.

If Casey did want to give Caylee up for adoption and Cindy wouldn't let her what made Cindy think she would want her? Does that make sense?

jmo

No makes no sense at all ...IMO... Just more hate for the baby. and more hate and disdain for cindy for making casey keep Caylee....

[bchand]

Like any other day? Hmmm...See that makes me suspicious..if this was a normal run of the mill thing, why did George know to the slightest detail what Casey and Caylee were wearing over a month earlier?

At that time he would not need to remember that, it would not be something that struck him as unusual, so the 'detail' seems disingenuous to me.

And I believe that George gave Casey hugs and kisses about as much as I believe Cindy tucked her in the night before.

[Myka]

I think there's 2 that won't be allowed in Tim Miller and Lenny...mo

ok dumb question....

do you think the media will be outside of the church or do you think they will respect the service itself and stay away?

I know, I know, of course the media will be there.......so they will catch Cindy stopping ppl from going to the service?

do we even know if the A's are going to be there?

well, this is one of the things we have been waiting for, a service for Caylee

[Balesha]

Remember it was the grandmother who did not want to press charges against Casey ("because of Caylee"), it was not Cindy's decision. I don't have the link handy, but it was discussed the other day.


I wonder where little Caylee would be if she had actually been convicted and charged. So sad.

[happygert]

Wonder if it will be televised?

Im betting it will be.......can you say cha ching cha ching....jmo.....

[Dells]

What baffles me is if Cindy wanted Caylee and Casey wanted a life without being tied down by a child...then why didn't she just let Cindy have her??

Probably for the exact same reason that SP didn't just divorce Laci. It's about power and control, not doing what is right.

[Unperson1984]

It's not hard to copy a tape once it is in your possession.

There are laws against copying videos. Do we have any evidence that the Anthonys plan on selling videos?

[happy2bme]

Sure Cindy knew there is something "wrong" with Casey. She knows this very day that there is something "wrong" with Casey. She doesn't really want to see her daughter punished for what she's done because she believes (IMO) that what's wrong can be fixed and Casey cannot help what has happened to her that caused her to be "wrong". I believe Cindy understands that Casey did not choose to become what she is.


Why in the world would Cindy go and tell someone her daughter was a sociopatch if she truly thinks like this. It makes no sense?

[Pooh]

LOL, I did. I wonder if Greta and/or geraldo will fly down to cover ... er, I mean attend?

And wouldn't that be something if Cindy refused them at the door? OMG - I can see it now! LOL

[SavannahStar]

I live here too and I take offense to these statements. You might live here but what do you really know about DCF other than the negative news you hear. Do you ever watch the positive clips on the local news? We've just had some recently here in Miami. I know people who work in the field. They are on call, have to use their own vehicles, underpaid, overworked, and the State has no money to hire more staff. I'll stop now, it's o/t anyway.

I'm sorry you take offense. I work with a Florida Guardian Ad Litem and I do hear a lot about what goes on with children in the state.

I totally agree that they are underpaid, overworked, DCF is short-staffed, etc. I am not bashing the individual workers, I think the system is very lacking.

Google Thomas Ludwig, the murder of his infant twin daughter recently in the Tampa Bay area and see what I mean about DCF.

Sorry also for the O/T. I do know about Florida.

[Regina.Lampert]

I would hope that most people would choose another way to grieve , like visit Caylee's gravesite or set up other memorial services.
I hate that the A's think they are so important. We all know how much they like the limelight.
The only one important in all this is Caylee.

The anthonys have been tone deaf as to public sentiment. This thing has disaster written all over it. IMO.