Wednesday, Feb. 4th. - Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning,

George Anthony is home. I guess no further treatment was needed. There were media reports that he was going to be transferred to a hospital in Orlando (closer to home) but that didn't happen. I wonder if he will be deposed in the civil suit now that he's out of the hospital.

Caylee's grandfather, George Anthony, released from hospital
Family attorney: 'He's happy to be home'


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-george-anthony-released-020309,0,4453088.story

[n/t]

:lol:

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Well, Mitnik is right because this woman wants to clear her name.

GRACE: Right.

MOSS: Certainly, she has suffered substantial damages. She`s lost her job. Who`s going to hire her? Everyone has this cloud of doubt over her head. But what`s she going to get? Maybe half the Doritos from the jail commissary...

GRACE: Continue.

MOSS: ... and some of the siphoned gas.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/03/ng.01.html

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

[Kathlb]

I'm guessing more than anything, she wants Casey to say under oath it wasn't her and to have the satisfaction of making her state it for all to see and hear. Something to hang her hat on if anyone refuses to hire her or rent to her or anything else in the future. We've all been following things in minute detail, but a huge part of society hasn't, they've just heard the highlights. So I'm sure there are those out there who think she possibly did it. We all know that's a lie from Casey's mouth, but they might not.

Oh and good morning!!! :-)

[n/t]

I'm guessing more than anything, she wants Casey to say under oath it wasn't her and to have the satisfaction of making her state it for all to see and hear. Something to hang her hat on if anyone refuses to hire her or rent to her or anything else in the future. We've all been following things in minute detail, but a huge part of society hasn't, they've just heard the highlights. So I'm sure there are those out there who think she possibly did it. We all know that's a lie from Casey's mouth, but they might not.

Oh and good morning!!! :-)

Exactly. All her lawyer really wants is for Casey to say whether or not this Zenaida Gonzales is the one she told police "kidnapped" Caylee.

[n/t]

Wonder if we'll get the doc dump today? Wasn't the last one on a Wednesday?

[n/t]

Yup...the last doc dump was on Jan 21 (Wednesday) so maybe today?

[Januarybaby]

IMO George going to mental hospital sure got him out of having to give a deposition. Isnt he the one that didnt want to lie to the police to begin with? Isnt he the one who cant lie to investigators without getting sick? Cindy cant leave him alone for a minute or he just might tell the truth.

Wonder what was really said to the Grand Jury.

THis is all so convienient.

[Libertie]

Can CA, GA and LA plead the fifth and avoid answering questions in deposition? If this has been addressed I missed it.

[n/t]

Can CA, GA and LA plead the fifth and avoid answering questions in deposition? If this has been addressed I missed it.

Yes they can. Lee's attorney already said Lee will not answer the questions. Don't know about Cindy and George yet but speculation is they will do the same and plead the 5th.

[n/t]

IMO George going to mental hospital sure got him out of having to give a deposition. Isnt he the one that didnt want to lie to the police to begin with? Isnt he the one who cant lie to investigators without getting sick? Cindy cant leave him alone for a minute or he just might tell the truth.

Wonder what was really said to the Grand Jury.

THis is all so convienient.

Do you mean the deposition in the civil case? That's at the end of this month so now that he's out, there's no reason for him not to except if his lawyer advises him to plead the 5th., imo

[Januarybaby]

Can CA, GA and LA plead the fifth and avoid answering questions in deposition? If this has been addressed I missed it.

Yes they can plead the 5th. They all have grounds because of obstruction of justice charges that could be filed.

[Januarybaby]

Do you mean the deposition in the civil case? That's at the end of this month so now that he's out, there's no reason for him not to except if his lawyer advises him to plead the 5th., imo

I dont think George even wants to plead the 5th. He is just not good at hiding things when it comes to LE or anything else and Cindy is probably scared he lets something slip even tho not intentional.

I just think they are going to use his attempt to everything they can to keep him from uttering 1 word. He spilled before ( not all, just enough) and that must scare Cindy alot.

[Leanne Weich]

But you can bet your bottom dollar he's not finished with his therapy (or he's one bad puppy). I'm sure he's doing out-patient treatment, or even having a therapist come to their home. Could be that he's on anti-depressent/anti-anxiety meds as well.

No doctor here - just MHO

Best,

I did read on one of the links in the links thread that George will be having out-patient treatment. It seems many on this forum think mental illness is nothing to be taken seriously and others seem to think that psychiatrists are idiots. The same people who laugh about how stupid George is suddenly think he is clever enough to pull the wool over the eyes of a psychiatrist for what - almost 2 weeks. Unbelievable, imo.

[txsage]

I did read on one of the links in the links thread that George will be having out-patient treatment. It seems many on this forum think mental illness is nothing to be taken seriously and others seem to think that psychiatrists are idiots. The same people who laugh about how stupid George is suddenly think he is clever enough to pull the wool over the eyes of a psychiatrist for what - almost 2 weeks. Unbelievable, imo.

Anyone who thinks that is an idiot! JMO

[Neffy]

Good Morning!

This is a fine start. Which posters thoughts or words inserting into their posts shall we discuss next? Maybe someone should open a thread to discuss this case. :shrug:

[Januarybaby]

I hope George is getting out patient and it works for him so he can sort out everything in this mess but I think they are going to use it to the fullest so that he doesnt have to say anything to anyone at anytime. That should make Cindy feel better.
Lee and Cindy are much more hard nosed and will DEFINETLY not say anything. I really dont think Cindy trusts George to be quiet.


But if we think about it, it all boils down to 1 person who can make this all go away and she isnt going to no matter who she hurts in the process. Shes already destroyed so many lives.

[bluwaters]

Why is Anthony lawyer's spokesman using alias?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey0409feb04,0,5445369.story

[destiny1]

I hope George is getting out patient and it works for him so he can sort out everything in this mess but I think they are going to use it to the fullest so that he doesnt have to say anything to anyone at anytime. That should make Cindy feel better.
Lee and Cindy are much more hard nosed and will DEFINETLY not say anything. I really dont think Cindy trusts George to be quiet.


But if we think about it, it all boils down to 1 person who can make this all go away and she isnt going to no matter who she hurts in the process. Shes already destroyed so many lives.

Don't you mean that Cindy and Lee are more dishonest and imaginative about it, overbearing, and have much more taste for the cameras anyway?

[Januarybaby]

Why is Anthony lawyer's spokesman using alias?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey0409feb04,0,5445369.story

We still dont know what Todd Black looks like right?

I went fishing and found a pic of Gil Cabot. http://www.gilcabot.com/.
I would love to know what Todd Black looks like and if they match, apparently the voices do.

[Neffy]

I hope George is getting out patient and it works for him so he can sort out everything in this mess but I think they are going to use it to the fullest so that he doesnt have to say anything to anyone at anytime. That should make Cindy feel better.
Lee and Cindy are much more hard nosed and will DEFINETLY not say anything. I really dont think Cindy trusts George to be quiet.


But if we think about it, it all boils down to 1 person who can make this all go away and she isnt going to no matter who she hurts in the process. Shes already destroyed so many lives.

ITA! Casey is clueless not to mention "all alone" with only herself to comfort herself. This makes her feel better and she finds comfort in the fact that she's still holder of the strings of the House of Anthony.

[Januarybaby]

Don't you mean that Cindy and Lee are more dishonest and imaginative about it, overbearing, and have much more taste for the cameras anyway?

Yup, thats a good way to put it.

[destiny1]

Yup...the last doc dump was on Jan 21 (Wednesday) so maybe today?

That doc dump was two days late IIRC because of holiday and politics both.

[PuffDragon]

Yes they can. Lee's attorney already said Lee will not answer the questions. Don't know about Cindy and George yet but speculation is they will do the same and plead the 5th.

It's making sense now why Lee's attorney made such a big deal out of Lee probably going to be charged. So now it's de rigueur to have him plead the fifth because it could incriminate him in his own case. Ah, all clear to me now. No wonder LE never confirmed or denied, it probably was never on the table at all.

[AMS]

:lol:

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Well, Mitnik is right because this woman wants to clear her name.

GRACE: Right.

MOSS: Certainly, she has suffered substantial damages. She`s lost her job. Who`s going to hire her? Everyone has this cloud of doubt over her head. But what`s she going to get? Maybe half the Doritos from the jail commissary...

GRACE: Continue.

MOSS: ... and some of the siphoned gas.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/03/ng.01.html


I love it when Susan Moss is on NG. She is so funny. :biggrin:

[cassidy]

It's making sense now why Lee's attorney made such a big deal out of Lee probably going to be charged. So now it's de rigueur to have him plead the fifth because it could incriminate him in his own case. Ah, all clear to me now. No wonder LE never confirmed or denied, it probably was never on the table at all.

Can he plead the 5th just because his attorney thinks he might be charged? Or does he have to have charges pending in order to do that?

[Neffy]

It's making sense now why Lee's attorney made such a big deal out of Lee probably going to be charged. So now it's de rigueur to have him plead the fifth because it could incriminate him in his own case. Ah, all clear to me now. No wonder LE never confirmed or denied, it probably was never on the table at all.

Isn't it nuts. Baez and Conways claims to want justice yet they better find it without cooperation from the Anthony's.

[AMS]

I hope George is getting out patient and it works for him so he can sort out everything in this mess but I think they are going to use it to the fullest so that he doesnt have to say anything to anyone at anytime. That should make Cindy feel better.
Lee and Cindy are much more hard nosed and will DEFINETLY not say anything. I really dont think Cindy trusts George to be quiet.


But if we think about it, it all boils down to 1 person who can make this all go away and she isnt going to no matter who she hurts in the process. Shes already destroyed so many lives.


Here you go:

Anthony, 57, is no longer despondent and plans to continue his recovery with outpatient counseling.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/volusia/orl-george-anthony-released-0409feb04,0,2600908.story

[CANDYKISSES]

We still dont know what Todd Black looks like right?

I went fishing and found a pic of Gil Cabot. http://www.gilcabot.com/.
I would love to know what Todd Black looks like and if they match, apparently the voices do.

I think this one is AFTER he had a lil makeover JB.....:biggrin:

http://www.arrestedmedia.com/

[PuffDragon]

Can he plead the 5th just because his attorney thinks he might be charged? Or does he have to have charges pending in order to do that?

I have no idea but at least it's there for the argument.

[Januarybaby]

Here you go:

Anthony, 57, is no longer despondent and plans to continue his recovery with outpatient counseling.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/volusia/orl-george-anthony-released-0409feb04,0,2600908.story

I know that hes getting treatment but I just think they will use it ( not that it will from all the evidence) to help let a murderer go free by him not having to say what he knows whether civil trial or otherwise. In other words, I dont want to see him hide behind it.

If he can hide from a civil trial they will use it in Caseys murder trial. I cant get into the "Poor George, leave him alone and feel sorry for him" thing when he knows so much and can end some of this. His breakdown was probably cause by knowing what he knows.

[zippy]

Remember when George brought up " they are like the fingers on the hand" at the jail house visit. George the thumb, Cindy the index, Lee the middle, Casey the ring and Caylee the little finger. Sounded like the " Five Finger Prayer." George- thumb- nearest you-C.S. Lewis" sweet duty." Cindy- index- To teach, instruct & heal. Needs support & wisdom in pointing others in the right direction. Lee- index- tallest, needs guidance. Casey- ring- weakest finger- trouble- pain. Caylee-smallest- Bible says " the least shall be the greatest among you." So appro. IMOO. And Good Morning . I lurk alot.

[margaritaville]

I hope George is getting out patient and it works for him so he can sort out everything in this mess but I think they are going to use it to the fullest so that he doesnt have to say anything to anyone at anytime. That should make Cindy feel better.
Lee and Cindy are much more hard nosed and will DEFINETLY not say anything. I really dont think Cindy trusts George to be quiet.


But if we think about it, it all boils down to 1 person who can make this all go away and she isnt going to no matter who she hurts in the process. Shes already destroyed so many lives.

My personal opinion, George should have stayed where he was...
I worry about what he may still do as this trial gets closer and closer.
He can't change what he said at the JG..
When he testifies at her trial he can't contradict himself from what he said at the JG or from the statements he gave the FBI (which he swore to be the truth at the end of it). He is stuck now with the facts that Caylee is dead and he will be testifying against his daughter...
Those two things alone would make one suicidal...but then throw Cindy into that mix.....Whew.....I hope someone has a keen eye on poor George......

All my opinion

[AMS]

I know that hes getting treatment but I just think they will use it ( not that it will from all the evidence) to help let a murderer go free by him not having to say what he knows whether civil trial or otherwise. In other words, I dont want to see him hide behind it.

If he can hide from a civil trial they will use it in Caseys murder trial. I cant get into the "Poor George, leave him alone and feel sorry for him" thing when he knows so much and can end some of this. His breakdown was probably cause by knowing what he knows.

Januarybaby - I do feel sorry for the guy but ITA with what you say regarding his testimony.

[msgatorslayer]

Here you go:

Anthony, 57, is no longer despondent and plans to continue his recovery with outpatient counseling.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/volusia/orl-george-anthony-released-0409feb04,0,2600908.story

I've always thought of George as the wounded pup. And suspected he'd be the first one to crack.

I may not like alot of the things he's done but I feel bad for him going back to Cindy's house. It's a toxic situation, IMO.

[*MoonRider*]

Here you go:

Anthony, 57, is no longer despondent and plans to continue his recovery with outpatient counseling.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/volusia/orl-george-anthony-released-0409feb04,0,2600908.story

If they want George to heal they should cancel the public memorial and have a private funeral. But that would be the intelligent logical thing to do... so I guess it won't happen that way. I highly suspect $$$ is behind the public memorial. Poor George has to come home and discuss jewelry for Caylee, flowers and music. jmo

[AMS]

I've always thought of George as the wounded pup. And suspected he'd be the first one to crack.

I may not like alot of the things he's done but I feel bad for him going back to Cindy's house. It's a toxic situation, IMO.

I agree. There would be no distractions from the situation in that house. The memories and no doubt the 24/7 "strategizing" from Cindy. IMO.

[Januarybaby]

I've always thought of George as the wounded pup. And suspected he'd be the first one to crack.

I may not like alot of the things he's done but I feel bad for him going back to Cindy's house. It's a toxic situation, IMO.

My mother has been saying the same thing. George would be the first to crack.

He needs to get away from all of them but he chooses to go back to that life. What would he really lose if he told the truth? Hed get away from a controlling and nasty wife, a murderous daughter, and a sneaky son.

Caylee was all he had to hold on to in that family and now shes gone. Hed be better off without them. Wish he would see that.

[msgatorslayer]

:lol:

SUSAN MOSS, FAMILY LAW ATTORNEY: Well, Mitnik is right because this woman wants to clear her name.

GRACE: Right.

MOSS: Certainly, she has suffered substantial damages. She`s lost her job. Who`s going to hire her? Everyone has this cloud of doubt over her head. But what`s she going to get? Maybe half the Doritos from the jail commissary...

GRACE: Continue.

MOSS: ... and some of the siphoned gas.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/03/ng.01.html

When she first started appearing on NG I didn't like her. But she's grown on me with her witty remarks.:thumbsup:

[breezie]

I've always thought of George as the wounded pup. And suspected he'd be the first one to crack.

I may not like alot of the things he's done but I feel bad for him going back to Cindy's house. It's a toxic situation, IMO.

I don't feel bad for him. He's choosing to go back to that toxic house. Plenty of other places he could have gone. His family needs him *to lie and obstruct justice*, so there he goes.

[msgatorslayer]

My mother has been saying the same thing. George would be the first to crack.

He needs to get away from all of them. What would he really lose if he told the truth? Hed het away from a controlling and nasty wife, a murderous daughter, and a sneaky son.

Caylee was all he had to hold on to in that family and now shes gone. Hed be better off without them. Wish he would see that.

Change is hard for anyone. He is middle aged, been with Cindy forever, and she is the bread winner. Tough sitation.

[margaritaville]

I don't feel bad for him. He's choosing to go back to that toxic house. Plenty of other places he could have gone. His family needs him *to lie and obstruct justice*, so there he goes.


Where else could he have gone? Lee moved back home..
I have never seen any of his "friends". He doesn't have co-workers.
Does he have insurance to stay at a facility just to be away from cindy?


Moo

[Motomom]

Hey everyone.. Hoping we get some docs today.. Would really like to know what the fingerprint evidence is, if there were any or not.

I see George is home and i'm curious as to why Cindy seems to be blamed for George? I don't get it. Is he in more pain over losing Caylee than she is? We haven't really seen her since Caylee was found right, just heard through Conway. Yet she's even getting an online beating for George attempting suicide. Doesn't seem fair to me and i'm not normally a cindy defender. I dont' think Cindy would want to lose George at this point, heck, it's only him and lee left. IDK..just feeling bad for Cindy.. I'm sure she'll come out with something soon to change my miind lol

[breezie]

Where else could he have gone? Lee moved back home..
I have never seen any of his "friends". He doesn't have co-workers.
Does he have insurance to stay at a facility just to be away from cindy?


Moo

He's got family. He could *gasp* get a job. He's regained his will to live, remember? He took the easy way back which is what caused all his problems in the first place. change is hard. It's even harder to be a hero for your dead granddaughter.

[Motomom]

My mother has been saying the same thing. George would be the first to crack.

He needs to get away from all of them but he chooses to go back to that life. What would he really lose if he told the truth? Hed get away from a controlling and nasty wife, a murderous daughter, and a sneaky son.

Caylee was all he had to hold on to in that family and now shes gone. Hed be better off without them. Wish he would see that.

That controlling nasty wife supported his butt all of these years. He left and came back once already. He said said in his interview with LE or FBI about loving Cindy. We dont' know what Cindy is saying or doing in the home.. and IMO it was mighty selfish of George to go ahead with this suicide attempt, leaving Cindy to handle this disaster alone..that's disgusting IMO.

[*MoonRider*]

Change is hard for anyone. He is middle aged, been with Cindy forever, and she is the bread winner. Tough sitation.

I think Lee is the bread winner now. moo

[msgatorslayer]

I don't feel bad for him. He's choosing to go back to that toxic house. Plenty of other places he could have gone. His family needs him *to lie and obstruct justice*, so there he goes.

Personally, I don't think he has many options.

No job, no money, do any of the Anthony's have friends? What about family? Cindy's pizzed most of hers off but we don't hear anything about George's family.

Then again, maybe going back home makes him happy and all is well.:confused:

[msgatorslayer]

I think Lee is the bread winner now. moo

Ah, okay. I'm just saying. Cindy has been the one to support the whole family for most of their marriage.:wink:

[Januarybaby]

He's got family. He could *gasp* get a job. He's regained his will to live, remember? He took the easy way back which is what caused all his problems in the first place. change is hard. It's even harder to be a hero for your dead granddaughter.

Was about to say the same. He has family he could go to and yes, he can get a job and hold his own. If he would tell the truth, hed gain back people that would help him.

[trich]

You know I have no doubt about Geroge being despondant...his daughter killed his grandaughter and he knows in his heart that is true.
But I still think his suicide attempt was not for real.
I do think it is a way for him to get out of testifying because now possibly no one will believe a person with "issues" ...although the issues are about Casey killing Caylee.
The trial is still a long way off so time will tell.
But I don't see why he could not answer the questions on the Zenaida deposition.
He is not under any threat of charges.
But then I guess they will say it will upset him too much to answer.
Any way I think this family will do anything almost to not do the right thing.

[breezie]

Personally, I don't think he has many options.

No job, no money, do any of the Anthony's have friends? What about family? Cindy's pizzed most of hers off but we don't hear anything about George's family.

Then again, maybe going back home makes him happy and all is well.:confused:

where he has to keep up the front of Casey is innocent and the dead body smell was caused by an empty pizza box? I think the strain of the lies is what sent him off in the first place. Nothing at home has changed, I don't think.

[margaritaville]

Hey everyone.. Hoping we get some docs today.. Would really like to know what the fingerprint evidence is, if there were any or not.

I see George is home and i'm curious as to why Cindy seems to be blamed for George? I don't get it. Is he in more pain over losing Caylee than she is? We haven't really seen her since Caylee was found right, just heard through Conway. Yet she's even getting an online beating for George attempting suicide. Doesn't seem fair to me and i'm not normally a cindy defender. I dont' think Cindy would want to lose George at this point, heck, it's only him and lee left. IDK..just feeling bad for Cindy.. I'm sure she'll come out with something soon to change my miind lol

i guess I would feel sorry for her too if she hadn't...

Lied
purposly washed eveidence
Lied
purposly given wrong hair brush to dectives
lied
told 911 the car smelled like there was a dead body in it.
Car smelled like rotten pizza
Car had no oder
lied
blamed Amy and Jesse for Caylee
lied
Said Caylee was in Tesas, north Carolina, New York, Florida and California....
lied

so much more, that was just what came to mind at the moment....

[cassidy]

He's got family. He could *gasp* get a job. He's regained his will to live, remember? He took the easy way back which is what caused all his problems in the first place. change is hard. It's even harder to be a hero for your dead granddaughter.

bolding mine.

If George knows the truth about what happened to Caylee, IMO, he won't find any peace until he stands up for Caylee. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose by doing so.

JMO

[Januarybaby]

where he has to keep up the front of Casey is innocent and the dead body smell was caused by an empty pizza box? I think the strain of the lies is what sent him off in the first place. Nothing at home has changed, I don't think.

Youre right, I dont think anything changed and if it doesnt and he doesnt get away from them, therapy wont work and I HIGHLY doubt Cindy thinks she needs any counseling.

George has the chance to get away now, if he doesnt, thats his own mistake and has to live with whats in store for him. I even bet Cindys brother would help him ( we all know RIck thinks Caseys is guilty as sin) if he would just tell the truth.

They said Cindy was a tad angry about Georges attempt. I think she has 2 reasons, 1 he disappeared, which I could see getting panicked about, but even more so, I think she panicked more thinking he would talk.

[jammies]

Remember when George brought up " they are like the fingers on the hand" at the jail house visit. George the thumb, Cindy the index, Lee the middle, Casey the ring and Caylee the little finger. Sounded like the " Five Finger Prayer." George- thumb- nearest you-C.S. Lewis" sweet duty." Cindy- index- To teach, instruct & heal. Needs support & wisdom in pointing others in the right direction. Lee- index- tallest, needs guidance. Casey- ring- weakest finger- trouble- pain. Caylee-smallest- Bible says " the least shall be the greatest among you." So appro. IMOO. And Good Morning . I lurk alot.


Very nice post, zippy

[Postergeist]

I think Lee is the bread winner now. moo

You are correct MoonRider- Lee's attorney said as much on GVS last week-

LUKA: His relationship with his parents is good. He has actually moved back into his house with his parents so that he can further support them both financially and emotionally.



Jan. 26th appearance

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483416,00.html

[Motomom]

i guess I would feel sorry for her too if she hadn't...

Lied
purposly washed eveidence
Lied
purposly given wrong hair brush to dectives
lied
told 911 the car smelled like there was a dead body in it.
Car smelled like rotten pizza
Car had no oder
lied
blamed Amy and Jesse for Caylee
lied
Said Caylee was in Tesas, north Carolina, New York, Florida and California....
lied

so much more, that was just what came to mind at the moment....

I understand all of that, I've been here since July. None of that has to do with George attempting suicide and then Cindy getting bashed for it. That's what I'm saying. Don't forget, George was a part of that too. I know that alot of us (myself included) have felt bad for George, but now with what he's done, Cindy just gets more grief.

[margaritaville]

He's got family. He could *gasp* get a job. He's regained his will to live, remember? He took the easy way back which is what caused all his problems in the first place. change is hard. It's even harder to be a hero for your dead granddaughter.

Great........Where does he go "in the mean time"??? Family??
I know he has family but none have been there for him why would they be now??
Would you take him in> obviously not from your post....

You think it is that easy to just walk out your front door and "get a job"? Think they will also give him $$ up from to rent an apartment??

[Neffy]

bolding mine.

If George knows the truth about what happened to Caylee, IMO, he won't find any peace until he stands up for Caylee. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose by doing so.

JMO

They all know the truth. This is all about self preservation, circleing the wagons and to not cooperate with the justice system.

[Januarybaby]

Great........Where does he go "in the mean time"??? Family??
I know he has family but none have been there for him why would they be now??
Would you take him in> obviously not from your post....

You think it is that easy to just walk out your front door and "get a job"? Think they will also give him $$ up from to rent an apartment??


If I were his family I would take him in, in a heartbeat as long as he told the truth. As for hiding everything, then I wouldnt.

[Postergeist]

i guess I would feel sorry for her too if she hadn't...

<snipped>

so much more, that was just what came to mind at the moment....


and didn't Tim Miller say that she refused to give him an article of Caylee's for his search team to use with tracking/SAR/cadaver dogs too?

That was the whole stand off between "live" searches and "ground searches" and she didn't want any part of any search that wasn't looking for a "live" Caylee IRRC.

[*MoonRider*]

where he has to keep up the front of Casey is innocent and the dead body smell was caused by an empty pizza box? I think the strain of the lies is what sent him off in the first place. Nothing at home has changed, I don't think.

ITA, my 80 year old Mother thinks that George's suicide note that contained dark, veiled references to his daughter's friends was his way of comforting Cindy in his demise.

[breezie]

Great........Where does he go "in the mean time"??? Family??
I know he has family but none have been there for him why would they be now??
Would you take him in> obviously not from your post....

You think it is that easy to just walk out your front door and "get a job"? Think they will also give him $$ up from to rent an apartment??

no, it's not easy. It takes guts and determination. Why go back to what caused your problem in the first place? We've heard from people that know the couple that Cindy puts him down in front of others...if she does that, think of what she says to him in private.

His home life is toxic. But hey...it's his life.

[margaritaville]

I understand all of that, I've been here since July. None of that has to do with George attempting suicide and then Cindy getting bashed for it. That's what I'm saying. Don't forget, George was a part of that too. I know that alot of us (myself included) have felt bad for George, but now with what he's done, Cindy just gets more grief.


Sure it does....... Look at the big picture... You have been here sinse July..... You can't see it?????? Really??????

[Neffy]

I understand all of that, I've been here since July. None of that has to do with George attempting suicide and then Cindy getting bashed for it. That's what I'm saying. Don't forget, George was a part of that too. I know that alot of us (myself included) have felt bad for George, but now with what he's done, Cindy just gets more grief.

Its the perception that George at first was cooperating and being straight up (even if it was behind Cindy's back). Then he resurfaces only to jump ship and reiterate Cindy's illusions.

I have a hard time believing George thought this out on his own and it's his own realization that he wrongly pointed the finger at his daughters involvement.

[Postergeist]

bolding mine.

If George knows the truth about what happened to Caylee, IMO, he won't find any peace until he stands up for Caylee. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose by doing so.

JMO

But don't you think he would lose with Cindy and possibly Lee?

If the other two are determined to protect Casey and he then goes against the pact/script whatever it is- maybe he feels they'd both disown him?

[mdibella]

Ah, okay. I'm just saying. Cindy has been the one to support the whole family for most of their marriage.:wink:


In his defense...I had the sense that he was very content being a cop, but Cindy forced him to give up that job. I'm not sure ex-cops EVER find anything else that suits them, especially if they were forced to give up their badges before they were ready to do so.

[margaritaville]

and didn't Tim Miller say that she refused to give him an article of Caylee's for his search team to use with tracking/SAR/cadaver dogs too?

That was the whole stand off between "live" searches and "ground searches" and she didn't want any part of any search that wasn't looking for a "live" Caylee IRRC.

Yes you are correct...

Cindy has done everything she can possibly do to hinder the investigation against Casey. She has gone so far as to blame Amy, Jesse, TonE, Zanny,,,,,,
To keep evidence from the police, lie, she deserves exactly what she is getting right now........IMHO she is as evil as her daughter.....

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes they can. Lee's attorney already said Lee will not answer the questions. Don't know about Cindy and George yet but speculation is they will do the same and plead the 5th.


Morning n/t and everyone. As soon as I heard them speculating on all of them possibly taking the 5th last night, I thought is this the reason luka and conway have been yapping about imminent charges? To have a reason for mommy, daddy and bro to have an excuse to take the 5th in the civil action?

As for george, I think it safe to assume his treatment will continue on an outpatient basis.

[Neffy]

But don't you think he would lose with Cindy and possibly Lee?

If the other two are determined to protect Casey and he then goes against the pact/script whatever it is- maybe he feels they'd both disown him?

I believe that ultimatum is what's being played out.

[jammies]

He's got family. He could *gasp* get a job. He's regained his will to live, remember? He took the easy way back which is what caused all his problems in the first place. change is hard. It's even harder to be a hero for your dead granddaughter.


I agree. GA's problem isn't Cindy. GA is his own worst enemy. GA is a grown man and it's time he starts acting like one. If his family life is so "toxic" he can leave any time. He can choose to tell the entire truth which might be a start to regaining his self-esteem.

And before anyone bashes me: OF COURSE I feel terrible for him. I feel horrible for their entire family for what their daughter is putting them through.

[Beach~Tenant]

G'moning all

After finally installing the latest acrobac/adobe 9.0, I am still not able to view the 1-21 docs /lastest texts file...it says the file is damaged and cannot be repaired:confused: is there any other link that I or WE can have to view that docs (59 pgs)??

[cassidy]

But don't you think he would lose with Cindy and possibly Lee?

If the other two are determined to protect Casey and he then goes against the pact/script whatever it is- maybe he feels they'd both disown him?

If you lose people who are totally toxic to you as a person, do you really lose?

[Postergeist]

Yes you are correct...

Cindy has done everything she can possibly do to hinder the investigation against Casey. She has gone so far as to blame Amy, Jesse, TonE, Zanny,,,,,,
To keep evidence from the police, lie, she deserves exactly what she is getting right now........IMHO she is as evil as her daughter.....

it's just so overwhelming, isn't it?!

:sad:

[Motomom]

Sure it does....... Look at the big picture... You have been here sinse July..... You can't see it?????? Really??????

No I'm lieing.. Yes I've been here and I see differently I guess. George doing the selfish selfish act of attempting to commit suicide and somehow Cindy is the cause of it?? That's what I see by what is posted here. In fact, in Georges letter he still does not tell the truth from what we've heard..yet somehow it's still Cindy's fault?

[mdibella]

For God's sake, will SOMEONE on Nancy Grace please address what seems to be the obvious question regarding the civil case?

Casey has counter-sued Ms Gonzalez. How can she do that and then refuse to answer questions? Legally how can that possibly be allowed?

Yes, I understand about her Fifth Amendment rights, but it makes no sense to me that she can counter-sue and then claim she has no responsibility to provide any information.

And I wish NG would please address this question!

[trich]

bolding mine.

If George knows the truth about what happened to Caylee, IMO, he won't find any peace until he stands up for Caylee. He has everything to gain and nothing to lose by doing so.

JMO

You know I said that a while ago ....George will have no peace until he comes to terms with what Casey did.
I would hope any psychcologist would ha ve made that clear to him.
Does not take a rocket scientist to know you can't keep denying the truth no matter how awful it is.
Cindy and Casey are another species ...they are living for all the attention ...whether it be good or bad.
I actually think it is a game for Cindy....to see what she can come up with next ....I think she is feeding her own ego.

[Neffy]

If you lose people who are totally toxic to you as a person, do you really lose?

Hopefully who ever George see's on his out patient care will be able to make him understand this.

[Motomom]

I agree. GA's problem isn't Cindy. GA is his own worst enemy. GA is a grown man and it's time he starts acting like one. If his family life is so "toxic" he can leave any time. He can choose to tell the entire truth which might be a start to regaining his self-esteem.

And before anyone bashes me: OF COURSE I feel terrible for him. I feel horrible for their entire family for what their daughter is putting them through.

You said it better than I could. I agree.. Some people are doing the same thing the A's are doing, passing the buck IMO. I feel terrible for all of them, regardless of the lies and obstruction, I can still feel bad because they've lost a grandchild in this mess.

[Neffy]

So where legally does this civil suit go. They all plead the 5th and no one is any farther then they were before.

[Januarybaby]

I just cant feel sorry for any of them. They are adults and responsible for their own actions. Just look at what they have done and the situation they put THEMSELVES into.

Therapy is not going to help George until he realizes he needs to do for himself to get better, not what other people ( *cough* Cindy *cough*) want him to do. NO meds, counseling etc will work until George decides to make some changes in his life.

I hope the therapists help him see that, if not, nothing will change for him.

[BJames]

In this situation 'the truth shall set you free' is bigger than ever, or at least I believe for George it is.
Some folks can continue to live a lie, because it works for them...because the threat of 'reality' would break the very being of whom they believe they have to be to survive...But that is indeed the house built on sand, and time will erode that away.
I think George has felt the sand shifting beneath him for quite some time, maybe even before Caylee went 'missing'.
The only way that he can build on a stronger foundation is to embrace the truth, and grow and heal from there. Sadly it seems he knows no other 'life' than his identity within that house, and I believe thus far Cindy has always dictated the 'truth' on HopeSpring...For him to step outside of the Us vs Them mentality he has to challenge what he has been believing for so long.
I think he knows 'the truth'...but identifying with it would be to step outside of his own 'comfort zone'...the fear of the unkown keeps him back. It may be h*ll living there...but it is also all he knows.
When/if it comes down to either the truth or killing himself because he can't live the 'lies' anymore...the 'truth shall set him free'.

Just my opinion of course..

[jammies]

You said it better than I could. I agree.. Some people are doing the same thing the A's are doing, passing the buck IMO. I feel terrible for all of them, regardless of the lies and obstruction, I can still feel bad because they've lost a grandchild in this mess.

Exactly. It's always easier to blame someone else for your own problems.

[Patty437]

For God's sake, will SOMEONE on Nancy Grace please address what seems to be the obvious question regarding the civil case?

Casey has counter-sued Ms Gonzalez. How can she do that and then refuse to answer questions? Legally how can that possibly be allowed?

Yes, I understand about her Fifth Amendment rights, but it makes no sense to me that she can counter-sue and then claim she has no responsibility to provide any information.

And I wish NG would please address this question!

has anyone ever read that zenaida's name is indeed "fernandez-gonzalez"?

[Postergeist]

If you lose people who are totally toxic to you as a person, do you really lose?

In reality no- but I think for some- they'd rather stick with the devil they know, then the one/s they don't.

I think I said it way back last year- before so much has come out- that I thought that Cindy and Casey were more like oil and gasoline- put them together and boom! one big explosion.

And I do think over time- one gets conditioned to that pebble in their shoe.

It really takes a good amount of time for one to realize what comfort is, when the discomfort is gone because it became so normal to them.

IMO- I don't think he can truly bounce back so quickly- it's my understanding that most SSRI's, etc. take typically a FULL 3 weeks or more of daily dosing for the meds to work to notice any improvements- and many times meds have to be adjusted to find the right one to address whatever condition the person has.

From what has been reported and put in the doc dumps, etc. I don't think their dynamics are healthful at all- but it's what they know.

And to think that likely little Caylee heard outbursts and fighting and disrespect and angry words possibly on a regular basis in that home.

[Neffy]

In this situation 'the truth shall set you free' is bigger than ever, or at least I believe for George it is.
Some folks can continue to live a lie, because it works for them...because the threat of 'reality' would break the very being of whom they believe they have to be to survive...But that is indeed the house built on sand, and time will erode that away.
I think George has felt the sand shifting beneath him for quite some time, maybe even before Caylee went 'missing'.
The only way that he can build on a stronger foundation is to embrace the truth, and grow and heal from there. Sadly it seems he knows no other 'life' than his identity within that house, and I believe thus far Cindy has always dictated the 'truth' on HopeSpring...For him to step outside of the Us vs Them mentality he has to challenge what he has been believing for so long.
I think he knows 'the truth'...but identifying with it would be to step outside of his own 'comfort zone'...the fear of the unkown keeps him back. It may be h*ll living there...but it is also all he knows.
When/if it comes down to either the truth or killing himself because he can't live the 'lies' anymore...the 'truth shall set him free'.

Just my opinion of course..


From what I see the truth sucks. There is no gain monetarily or physically. I think they're all emotionally void so the truth is not a motivating factor here.

[Regina.Lampert]

It's making sense now why Lee's attorney made such a big deal out of Lee probably going to be charged. So now it's de rigueur to have him plead the fifth because it could incriminate him in his own case. Ah, all clear to me now. No wonder LE never confirmed or denied, it probably was never on the table at all.

Morning Puffie, we're on the same page here, I think this was and is their strategy all along. I'm not sure just how the civil action works, but I think Judge Rodriguez could haul them all into a court and decide what questions are asked and then rule on whether anyone's 5th amendment rights are being violated.

No one should be allowed to escape questioning, just by claiming imminent charges that may never be coming, imo.

[margaritaville]

Ohhhhh....I wouldn't want to be in THAT house today. Cindy must be really interrogating him as far as what he told the psych's in the hospital. From what I understand, those menendez brothers lost their doc/priv rights as it was a murder case. Could this be the case as well?

Best,


George didn't kill anyone.. why would his Doc records even be a part of the case?

[desmom]

In this situation 'the truth shall set you free' is bigger than ever, or at least I believe for George it is.
Some folks can continue to live a lie, because it works for them...because the threat of 'reality' would break the very being of whom they believe they have to be to survive...But that is indeed the house built on sand, and time will erode that away.
I think George has felt the sand shifting beneath him for quite some time, maybe even before Caylee went 'missing'.
The only way that he can build on a stronger foundation is to embrace the truth, and grow and heal from there. Sadly it seems he knows no other 'life' than his identity within that house, and I believe thus far Cindy has always dictated the 'truth' on HopeSpring...For him to step outside of the Us vs Them mentality he has to challenge what he has been believing for so long.
I think he knows 'the truth'...but identifying with it would be to step outside of his own 'comfort zone'...the fear of the unkown keeps him back. It may be h*ll living there...but it is also all he knows.
When/if it comes down to either the truth or killing himself because he can't live the 'lies' anymore...the 'truth shall set him free'.

Just my opinion of course..

Well said!

[Januarybaby]

George didn't kill anyone.. why would his Doc records even be a part of the case?

I think its meant from being what they know and hiding information about the murder. Could they lose their rights hiding information and evidence that would help solve a murder case.

[WillowInFlight]

I just cant feel sorry for any of them. They are adults and responsible for their own actions. Just look at what they have done and the situation they put THEMSELVES into.

Therapy is not going to help George until he realizes he needs to do for himself to get better, not what other people ( *cough* Cindy *cough*) want him to do. NO meds, counseling etc will work until George decides to make some changes in his life.

I hope the therapists help him see that, if not, nothing will change for him.

ITA, plus I am one of those that thinks this whole thing is a farce, They want George out of the picture for some reason. IMO. If they were serious about getting help, they would have done it when Caylee was alive. IMO

[margaritaville]

I think its meant from being what they know and hiding information about the murder. Could they lose their rights hiding information and evidence that would help solve a murder case.


(I am not a lawyer)....But.. i have never heard of a witness's Doc records being opened to solve any case. I can see more if it is the defendant but a witness>?

I will try and research that..Very interesting point.....

[NikkiG77058]

Morning n/t and everyone. As soon as I heard them speculating on all of them possibly taking the 5th last night, I thought is this the reason luka and conway have been yapping about imminent charges? To have a reason for mommy, daddy and bro to have an excuse to take the 5th in the civil action?

As for george, I think it safe to assume his treatment will continue on an outpatient basis.

Excellent point, Scamp!! I hadn't thought of that possibility but you definitely have my wheels spinning this morning. Should this be the case, my anger runs even deeper than I imagined. :crying:

[Regina.Lampert]

It seems that Leonard Padilla has cynthia anthonys number, last night on Nancy Grace:


GRACE: To Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who first bonded tot mom out, came off the bond and then looked exhaustively for little Caylee. Leonard`s joining us from Sacramento, California.

Leonard, very quickly, regarding this whole idea that the Anthonys are going to gather together behind bars and have a video grieving process, you know, what do you think? Do you think they`re really going to go through with it? Because in the jurisdiction of Florida, all of that is taped and released. It`s public document.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED LOOK FOR CAYLEE & SPENT TIME WITH CASEY ANTHONY: Well, I`ve got to believe that Cindy is definitely going to go through with it. I -- don`t know that George will be up to it, or Lee. But I can tell you this, Cindy will be there in all of her blazing glories. There`s no doubt about it.

GRACE: Man, you really have it out for Cindy Anthony. Remember, the tot mom, Casey Anthony, is the one facing trial. Not Cindy Anthony. But while I`ve got you.

PADILLA: Everything has a genesis.

GRACE: OK. Remember, you can`t blame the sins of the child, not blamed on the parents. Keep -- that in mind. They`re not responsible for this.

Leonard Padilla, while I`ve got you, what do you make of the fact that there is going to be the public memorial but no private funeral to actually lay Caylee to rest has been made?

PADILLA: Well, I think the situation is that Cindy wants a public memorial. She wants to have 5,000 people there. There`s nothing wrong with that. I do know that some people are talking about not going because of Cindy`s attitude towards a public memorial and --making it an occasion that`s other than just for Caylee.

In other words, Caylee is the...

GRACE: Well, you -- you can`t really have a public memorial and have it something intimate and private. So what you`re saying is impossible. But what`s the holdup in a real funeral to lay her remains to rest is my question.

PADILLA: It`s Cindy. It hasn`t got anything to do with anybody else. It`s Cindy. She`s calling the shots.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/03/ng.01.html

IMO, cynthia is nuts if she pushes this jailhouse memorial, knowing that it will be videotaped. Can't these people do anything that's dignified? :mad:

[Januarybaby]

ITA, plus I am one of those that thinks this whole thing is a farce, They want George out of the picture for some reason. IMO. If they were serious about getting help, they would have done it when Caylee was alive. IMO

True. They need George out of the way being the weakest link. I just dont want to buy into the thing where if we feel sorry for George and give him that escape so he will be left alone and not hounded for answers where he may break.

I still remember watching the LK interview and he would look at Cindy before he answered anything, sort of like it is ok. It also looked to me while they were holding hands, she would squeeze his hand every time he was asked to answer something.

[Januarybaby]

(I am not a lawyer)....But.. i have never heard of a witness's Doc records being opened to solve any case. I can see more if it is the defendant but a witness>?

I will try and research that..Very interesting point.....

Im not sure either about something like that either. If you find out, plz pm me so I dont miss the post. Thanks

[mdibella]

Re: Casey's proposed video participation in the memorial ceremony...

Will these people NEVER stop asking for special treatment?

Give it up, Cindy! Your precious sweetheart is precious to nobody but you!

I know, a few days ago I was posting feelings of compassion for these folks, but come on, give it a fricken rest...Yeah I feel sorry for what has happened to them but enough is enough.

[CelticDawn]

Yes you are correct...

Cindy has done everything she can possibly do to hinder the investigation against Casey. She has gone so far as to blame Amy, Jesse, TonE, Zanny,,,,,,
To keep evidence from the police, lie, she deserves exactly what she is getting right now........IMHO she is as evil as her daughter.....

sher deserves it....<although I still have pity for what shes gone through>....but George....on the other hand...You know??...Love hides a multitude of faults...<been there done that>....and you just cant figure this any other way except hes in love still....and theyre codependents...with that chain broken, I believe George could come clean...move on....and function.

[SavannahStar]

George didn't kill anyone.. why would his Doc records even be a part of the case?


They won't be. No way. This is really getting absurd.

[WillowInFlight]

True. They need George out of the way being the weakest link. I just dont want to buy into the thing where if we feel sorry for George and give him that escape so he will be lfet alone and not hounded for answers where he may break.

I still remember watching the LK interview and he would look at Cindy before he answered anything, sort of like it is ok. It also looked to me while they were golding hands, she would squeeze his hand every time he was asked to answer something.

I will NEVER forget that LK interview. I also think with George in hiding we are about to see just how calculating little Miss Cindy can be. IMO

[Januarybaby]

It seems that Leonard Padilla has cynthia anthonys number, last night on Nancy Grace:

IMO, cynthia is nuts if she pushes this jailhouse memorial, knowing that it will be videotaped. Can't these people do anything that's dignified? :mad:


Snipped...

LP does indeed have CA number. Thats why when he said what he thought, she turned on him.

Now I dont think LP is all the time correct or maybe even has his own agenda, but he sure does have CA number.

[AMS]

(snipped)

[color=blue]IMO, cynthia is nuts if she pushes this jailhouse memorial, knowing that it will be videotaped. Can't these people do anything that's dignified? :mad:


I think Baez would be nuts (more nuts than I think he is) if he lets a jailhouse memorial be videotaped. He would have to be sure that Casey showed grief and remorse on tape.

No way that would happen. IMO.

[Daffodil]

In this situation 'the truth shall set you free' is bigger than ever, or at least I believe for George it is.
Some folks can continue to live a lie, because it works for them...because the threat of 'reality' would break the very being of whom they believe they have to be to survive...But that is indeed the house built on sand, and time will erode that away.
I think George has felt the sand shifting beneath him for quite some time, maybe even before Caylee went 'missing'.
The only way that he can build on a stronger foundation is to embrace the truth, and grow and heal from there. Sadly it seems he knows no other 'life' than his identity within that house, and I believe thus far Cindy has always dictated the 'truth' on HopeSpring...For him to step outside of the Us vs Them mentality he has to challenge what he has been believing for so long.
I think he knows 'the truth'...but identifying with it would be to step outside of his own 'comfort zone'...the fear of the unkown keeps him back. It may be h*ll living there...but it is also all he knows.
When/if it comes down to either the truth or killing himself because he can't live the 'lies' anymore...the 'truth shall set him free'.

Just my opinion of course..


A lot of people, if not most, who leave a mental health facility have to go back to their own homes. And to be honest, when they go home, they are going back to their problems. You just can't get help and then expect to go home to a whole new life and home. I think a major part of getting better it is necessary to work through those problems in your own home, because that it reality. If you deal with reality when you are getting treatment, it will find you somewhere along the line. So, I think it is better to deal with it sooner than later. If George does decide to leave, he will have to stand up for himself and do it the right way. I do have empathy for him and am worried about him as well. But I also realize he is an adult and he has to stand up to his responsibilites (embracing the truth) so he can beging to heal.

And if all the secrets are so bad that the whole world will shudder, than so be it. Let the truth out. I never really quite fully understood the menaing of "embrace the truth" but this case has educated me.

Cindy hates anybody who doesn't agree with her. That tells me she is paranoid. She is so afraid that their secrets will leak out. I think George will start healing before any of them. I'm not even sure if Cindy is capable of it. But she needs help also. Just embrace the truth, it will be a big relief and big help to get out from the weight of those secrets. I think we are a forgiving people in general.

[Januarybaby]

Well, I just reread my posts and my typos are terrible, so I am off to have that second cup of coffee.

Everyone have a great day.

[*MoonRider*]

I think Baez would be nuts (more nuts than I think he is) if he lets a jailhouse memorial be videotaped. He would have to be sure that Casey showed grief and remorse on tape.

No way that would happen. IMO.

Casey already had her private memorial for Caylee with the added touch of the heart. :cursing:

[WillowInFlight]

A lot of people, if not most, who leave a mental health facility have to go back to their own homes. And to be honest, when they go home, they are going back to their problems. You just can't get help and then expect to go home to a whole new life and home. I think a major part of getting better it is necessary to work through those problems in your own home, because that it reality. If you deal with reality when you are getting treatment, it will find you somewhere along the line. So, I think it is better to deal with it sooner than later. If George does decide to leave, he will have to stand up for himself and do it the right way. I do have empathy for him and am worried about him as well. But I also realize he is an adult and he has to stand up to his responsibilites (embracing the truth) so he can beging to heal.

And if all the secrets are so bad that the whole world will shudder, than so be it. Let the truth out. I never really quite fully understood the menaing of "embrace the truth" but this case has educated me.

Cindy hates anybody who doesn't agree with her. That tells me she is paranoid. She is so afraid that their secrets will leak out. I think George will start healing before any of them. I'm not even sure if Cindy is capable of it. But she needs help also. Just embrace the truth, it will be a big relief and big help to get out from the weight of those secrets. I think we are a forgiving people in general.
IMO your post was so good I didn't have the heart to snip it. ITA Cindy needs help, but in order to heal she has to accept that she was part of the problem, I don't see that happening.

[Leanne Weich]

no, it's not easy. It takes guts and determination. Why go back to what caused your problem in the first place? We've heard from people that know the couple that Cindy puts him down in front of others...if she does that, think of what she says to him in private.

His home life is toxic. But hey...it's his life.

I think George's life is probably comparable to that of a woman living in an abusive relationship. They also seem to stay far too long in those situations. I'd hazard a guess that George's self-esteem is non-existent and he probably is not in any mental state to even think about trying to find employment right now - in any event, probably not too many people out there would employ him right now anyway. I think he's between a rock and a hard place. As for his family (folks and/or siblings) who knows if they are even in the picture. Maybe they have nothing to do with Cindy and George so maybe they're not an option to turn to for help either. I have no doubt Cindy has probably berated him and called him every name under the sun for his suicide failure.

[nc1948]

I understand all of that, I've been here since July. None of that has to do with George attempting suicide and then Cindy getting bashed for it. That's what I'm saying. Don't forget, George was a part of that too. I know that alot of us (myself included) have felt bad for George, but now with what he's done, Cindy just gets more grief.

I think I understand what you are saying. But IMHO---George was at home alone with QUIET--Cindy was at work. Cindy is a talker (understatement) Anyway Cindy and George are locked in the house together 24/7. No I am not there, but I can imagine Cindy running off at the mouth 24/7. Accusing everyone but Casey , trying to fine tune their stories, blaming LE, mad at Lenny, mad at Tim, mad at searchers, discussing news reports and message boards. Planning a memorial. Discussing who will be uninvited. Who has dissed the House of Anthony. In other words I do not think Cindy ever shuts up. Sometimes you just need quiet. Quiet to mourn, quiet to look back at mistakes, quiet to consider what he has done and what he has not done. (When my husband died, I would go outside and sit in my locked car so I could get some quiet time. I did not want to discuss funerals, flowers, travel. I did not want to talk. I just wanted to think of what I had just lost) George knows he has failed his grandaughter by not protecting her in life, George knows he has failed his grandaughter by not protecting her in death.

george is the only Anthony that has shown any grief(IMO) Cindy is still in protect Casey mode and blame everyone else. I really just cannot work up any sympathy for Cindy, but totally respect you point. Everytime I have started to feel sorry for Cindy, she has opened her mouth and changed my mind.

[littlee]

Boy, that is right on!!!!

I can not help but feel sorry for George and Cindy. You can look at both of them through the whole 6 months and see both of their weaknesses, BUT I do believe they loved that baby. I don't think they ever believed their daughter could do what she did, but yet the way she was treated (spoiled and supported ) set her up for this. She has destroyed this family.

Since we have not publicly seen or heard from Cindy since the remains were discovered then I will not believe all the reported stuff until I hear it from her. Hopfully, she has spent this time coming to terms with what has happened and how it really happened.

[Regina.Lampert]

I think Baez would be nuts (more nuts than I think he is) if he lets a jailhouse memorial be videotaped. He would have to be sure that Casey showed grief and remorse on tape.

No way that would happen. IMO.

You're right there AMS, him and cynthia would have to smuggle in a tack for the odious creature to smack her toe on in order to produce a tear or two, imo. Very risky showing the public more of casey anthony and her sociopathic nature, imo.

[Regina.Lampert]

Casey already had her private memorial for Caylee with the added touch of the heart. :cursing:

You're right Moonie! :cuss:

[apothecary]

Good morning everyone.I was thinking about other cases where babies were killed and the killer became famous,got off and made money.The Louise Woodward case in Boston comes to mind and maybe the Madeline McCann case and of course JonBenet Ramsay although in the Ramsay the killer was never found and did not get rich

[WillowInFlight]

I think George's life is probably comparable to that of a woman living in an abusive relationship. They also seem to stay far too long in those situations. I'd hazard a guess that George's self-esteem is non-existent and he probably is not in any mental state to even think about trying to find employment right now - in any event, probably not too many people out there would employ him right now anyway. I think he's between a rock and a hard place. As for his family (folks and/or siblings) who knows if they are even in the picture. Maybe they have nothing to do with Cindy and George so maybe they're not an option to turn to for help either. I have no doubt Cindy has probably berated him and called him every name under the sun for his suicide failure.

I totally disagree, we have this past summer seen George at his finest. George knows the truth and he needs to man up and throw it in Cynthia's face. I know it sounds harsh, but these people need to quit with the games, the script is in over play FGS.

[Daffodil]

Well, I just reread my posts and my typos are terrible, so I am off to have that second cup of coffee.

Everyone have a great day.

I think I have you beat on typos. And I am ready for my third cup of coffee!!!

[shelkobe]

ITA, my 80 year old Mother thinks that George's suicide note that contained dark, veiled references to his daughter's friends was his way of comforting Cindy in his demise.
With age comes wisdom. I think your Mom is spot on.

[SavannahStar]

I totally disagree, we have this past summer seen George at his finest. George knows the truth and he needs to man up and throw it in Cynthia's face. I know it sounds harsh, but these people need to quit with the games, the script is in over play FGS.


Willow (good morning!) how do we really know that George has not "manned up" and thrown the truth in Cindy's face? Behind closed doors? Much as we think we are, we are really NOT privy to everything that goes on between them. I also think Cindy knows the truth....doesn't need to be thrown in her face. As someone posted upthread, we really haven't heard from her in quite a while. I think they BOTH know the truth.

But again: I don't care one way or the other if they come out and announce it publicly.

[cassidy]

In reality no- but I think for some- they'd rather stick with the devil they know, then the one/s they don't.

I think I said it way back last year- before so much has come out- that I thought that Cindy and Casey were more like oil and gasoline- put them together and boom! one big explosion.

And I do think over time- one gets conditioned to that pebble in their shoe.
It really takes a good amount of time for one to realize what comfort is, when the discomfort is gone because it became so normal to them.

IMO- I don't think he can truly bounce back so quickly- it's my understanding that most SSRI's, etc. take typically a FULL 3 weeks or more of daily dosing for the meds to work to notice any improvements- and many times meds have to be adjusted to find the right one to address whatever condition the person has.

From what has been reported and put in the doc dumps, etc. I don't think their dynamics are healthful at all- but it's what they know.

And to think that likely little Caylee heard outbursts and fighting and disrespect and angry words possibly on a regular basis in that home.

bolding mine.

True. but if and when the pebble is removed, that person can walk without the pain they thought was inevitable. Sometimes you can't see what is happening to you until you are taken out of the situation or allow yourself to be removed from it. I just wish that George could find it in himself to do the right thing by Caylee. I doubt that will happen though.

JMO

[Motomom]

I think I understand what you are saying. But IMHO---George was at home alone with QUIET--Cindy was at work. Cindy is a talker (understatement) Anyway Cindy and George are locked in the house together 24/7. No I am not there, but I can imagine Cindy running off at the mouth 24/7. Accusing everyone but Casey , trying to fine tune their stories, blaming LE, mad at Lenny, mad at Tim, mad at searchers, discussing news reports and message boards. Planning a memorial. Discussing who will be uninvited. Who has dissed the House of Anthony. In other words I do not think Cindy ever shuts up. Sometimes you just need quiet. Quiet to mourn, quiet to look back at mistakes, quiet to consider what he has done and what he has not done. (When my husband died, I would go outside and sit in my locked car so I could get some quiet time. I did not want to discuss funerals, flowers, travel. I did not want to talk. I just wanted to think of what I had just lost) George knows he has failed his grandaughter by not protecting her in life, George knows he has failed his grandaughter by not protecting her in death.

george is the only Anthony that has shown any grief(IMO) Cindy is still in protect Casey mode and blame everyone else. I really just cannot work up any sympathy for Cindy, but totally respect you point. Everytime I have started to feel sorry for Cindy, she has opened her mouth and changed my mind.


NC, that's the thing..and let me say I agree with you about the nonstop chatter coming from CA. Here's my thing though.. we haven't seen or heard from CA or GA since the remains were found. Unless I missed something, which is possible. We've heard from the lawyer and we've heard parts of emails uninviting people to funerals (which was not initiated by CA IMO) and we've heard snippets of what GA supposedly wrote in his suicide letter. I too have felt bad for CA only to change my mind when she opens her mouth and starts spewing lies. BUT they still lost their granddaughter and that is not something I would wish on my worst enemy. We don't know what is or isnt' being said in that house right now. The idea that they are getting their stories straight is silly to me, only because their stories have been here, there, everywhere and we've heard them all. I dont' believe they are attempting to get any stories straight. I think it was a selfish thing for GA to do. I think no matter what CA has gone done and said, she has still suffered a great loss.. and it's almost like a slap in the face for GA to attempt suicide. Some people question everything, even hand holding.. do we not want to see GA and CA support one another? Do people really want to see them split up during this disaster? See, I don't, because they only have each other.. yes I think it's a toxic house but it isn't just because of CA.. GA is no better than CA.

I hope I'm explaining myself. I just see the same people who complain about Cindy pointing fingers in regards to Caylee, are doing the same thing in regards to Georges suicide attempt.. I'd be really mad at George if I was Cindy.. very mad and hurt.. very selfish of him. If he doesn't want to be with Cindy, he can and could have walked away at any time. Instead, over the years he chose to stay and live in a house that she was mostly paying for, eating food she was buying..because we know, according to family emails that he's only worked HALF of the time.. makes him a big slacker IMO

[CelticDawn]

Snipped...
PADILLA: It`s Cindy. It hasn`t got anything to do with anybody else. It`s Cindy. She`s calling the shots.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/03/ng.01.html

[color=blue]IMO, cynthia is nuts if she pushes this jailhouse memorial, knowing that it will be videotaped. Can't these people do anything that's dignified? :mad:


Padilla is telling it like it is...!!!

Glad somebody has the gall to do that ...

AS LONG AS CINDY IS NOT BOUND AND GAGGED NOTHING dignified for Caylee will happen...!!!

[jammies]

I totally disagree, we have this past summer seen George at his finest. George knows the truth and he needs to man up and throw it in Cynthia's face. I know it sounds harsh, but these people need to quit with the games, the script is in over play FGS.


I agree. Sick of the excuses for this family and their behavior. Their "it's all about me" attitude reeks. Poor Caylee never had a chance.

[nc1948]

Well, I just reread my posts and my typos are terrible, so I am off to have that second cup of coffee.

Everyone have a great day.

I am on my second cup, and am just glad we don't get booted for typos.

[penguinlady]

I think I understand what you are saying. But IMHO---George was at home alone with QUIET--Cindy was at work. Cindy is a talker (understatement) Anyway Cindy and George are locked in the house together 24/7. No I am not there, but I can imagine Cindy running off at the mouth 24/7. Accusing everyone but Casey , trying to fine tune their stories, blaming LE, mad at Lenny, mad at Tim, mad at searchers, discussing news reports and message boards. Planning a memorial. Discussing who will be uninvited. Who has dissed the House of Anthony. In other words I do not think Cindy ever shuts up. Sometimes you just need quiet. Quiet to mourn, quiet to look back at mistakes, quiet to consider what he has done and what he has not done. (When my husband died, I would go outside and sit in my locked car so I could get some quiet time. I did not want to discuss funerals, flowers, travel. I did not want to talk. I just wanted to think of what I had just lost) George knows he has failed his grandaughter by not protecting her in life, George knows he has failed his grandaughter by not protecting her in death.

george is the only Anthony that has shown any grief(IMO) Cindy is still in protect Casey mode and blame everyone else. I really just cannot work up any sympathy for Cindy, but totally respect you point. Everytime I have started to feel sorry for Cindy, she has opened her mouth and changed my mind.


Great post. Especailly the last sentance.

K

[Motomom]

Willow (good morning!) how do we really know that George has not "manned up" and thrown the truth in Cindy's face? Behind closed doors? Much as we think we are, we are really NOT privy to everything that goes on between them. I also think Cindy knows the truth....doesn't need to be thrown in her face. As someone posted upthread, we really haven't heard from her in quite a while. I think they BOTH know the truth.

But again: I don't care one way or the other if they come out and announce it publicly.

Of course they know the truth, all of them. The evidence is there. Accepting it is a whole nother matter IMO.. and I guess people want GA to throw in cindys face that Casey killed caylee? That's sad.. don't you think. I mean really, SS you know I am not a defender of CA but sometimes it gets to be too much. Maybe it's just me today..

[KayOh]

Willow (good morning!) how do we really know that George has not "manned up" and thrown the truth in Cindy's face? Behind closed doors? Much as we think we are, we are really NOT privy to everything that goes on between them. I also think Cindy knows the truth....doesn't need to be thrown in her face. As someone posted upthread, we really haven't heard from her in quite a while. I think they BOTH know the truth.

But again: I don't care one way or the other if they come out and announce it publicly.

I think Cindy's media silence coupled with George's suicide attempt tell us everything we need to know about where they are in their reality check. JMO.
Hi Savannah and Willow!

[Regina.Lampert]

Padilla is telling it like it is...!!!

Glad somebody has the gall to do that ...

AS LONG AS CINDY IS NOT BOUND AND GAGGED NOTHING dignified for Caylee will happen...!!!

I've come to the conclusion that cynthia is refusing to hold any memorial for Caylee unless her murderer can participate in some manner.

As for george, I think any hope of him recovering depends on facing reality and not living a lie any longer. How he can even begin to do that, living with cynthia is a mystery to me.

[WillowInFlight]

Willow (good morning!) how do we really know that George has not "manned up" and thrown the truth in Cindy's face? Behind closed doors? Much as we think we are, we are really NOT privy to everything that goes on between them. I also think Cindy knows the truth....doesn't need to be thrown in her face. As someone posted upthread, we really haven't heard from her in quite a while. I think they BOTH know the truth.

But again: I don't care one way or the other if they come out and announce it publicly.

Good Morning darlin, I guess I don't really care either what I do care about, (don't ask me why) that they don't preach Casey's innocence to us. Trust me, I'm not cold hearted, but from what we have seen from this family, I am suspicious.
What I would love to see is, Casey serving life and the rest of the family, either, together or apart, healing. Though I don't see Cindy ever healing. IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Willow (good morning!) how do we really know that George has not "manned up" and thrown the truth in Cindy's face? Behind closed doors? Much as we think we are, we are really NOT privy to everything that goes on between them. I also think Cindy knows the truth....doesn't need to be thrown in her face. As someone posted upthread, we really haven't heard from her in quite a while. I think they BOTH know the truth.

But again: I don't care one way or the other if they come out and announce it publicly.


Morning SS...I think they know the truth also. I really don't care how long it takes them to come to terms with it (everyone grieves differently) as long as they are not obstructing justice in the meantime. IMO

[apothecary]

I am not sure if anything can help George or any of the family now.They have to live with this for the rest of their lives .Probably that smell follows them everywhere and maybe it is easier to fight and resist than to face the truth because it is more distracting to the mind

[WillowInFlight]

I think Cindy's media silence coupled with George's suicide attempt tell us everything we need to know about where they are in their reality check. JMO.
Hi Savannah and Willow!

So true, no matter what they publically say. Whats that saying? "actions speak louder that words". Good morning Kay. :wub:

[nc1948]

You're right there AMS, him and cynthia would have to smuggle in a tack for the odious creature to smack her toe on in order to produce a tear or two, imo. Very risky showing the public more of casey anthony and her sociopathic nature, imo.


Her last court hearing was definitely the picture of a grieving mother for her lost child. Laughing, smiling, grinning and smirking. It also showed how concerned she was for herself,most (I did not say all) defendants at least look serious or concerned in court. I think they could get a conviction if they just showed a montage (sp) of her pictures since the death of Caylee. The bar hopping, the smiling at Baez, the snuggling with Baez and laying her head on his shoulder, the grinning in court, the anger at her parents. Gosh once I started listing them I realized how many there are. It could go on for hours to show how grief stricken this woman was over her childs death.

[CelticDawn]

Willow (good morning!) how do we really know that George has not "manned up" and thrown the truth in Cindy's face? Behind closed doors? Much as we think we are, we are really NOT privy to everything that goes on between them. I also think Cindy knows the truth....doesn't need to be thrown in her face. As someone posted upthread, we really haven't heard from her in quite a while. I think they BOTH know the truth.

But again: I don't care one way or the other if they come out and announce it publicly.
I cant STAND Cindy <from what Ive seen and heard from and of her>....

BUT...
I dont care to see that media "takedown" thing that they have going on with people that make their careers ...<or in Cindy and Georges case puts a sizeable notch on their guns>....

They have gone through enough without us making their despair and shame a spectator event...

why do so many people want to see that???...

[trich]

They won't be. No way. This is really getting absurd.

Medical records are private.
the only thing is they can claim he is not to be believed because he
was menatlly unstable and threatening suicide which is all public knowledge.

[KayOh]

So true, no matter what they publically say. Whats that saying? "actions speak louder that words". Good morning Kay. :wub:

I'd bet dollars to donuts that Cindy expounded in private with George on what she began telling the FBI in her interview ... Blah blah blah ... It's George's fault that Casey turned out the way she did ...George fell for a scam .. lost the family's money .. couldn't hold down a job .. yada yada yada ...

[WillowInFlight]

I am not sure if anything can help George or any of the family now.They have to live with this for the rest of their lives .Probably that smell follows them everywhere and maybe it is easier to fight and resist than to face the truth because it is more distracting to the mind

I am sure that the guilt they must be feeling is horrendous. But OTH, they can put that guilt to use if they wanted too. Maybe some time down the line, maybe it's still too fresh.

[WillowInFlight]

I'd bet dollars to donuts that Cindy expounded in private with George on what she began telling the FBI in her interview ... Blah blah blah ... It's George's fault that Casey turned out the way she did ...George fell for a scam .. lost the family's money .. couldn't hold down a job .. yada yada yada ...

I love you dearly, but your sig. isn't sitting too well with me right now. :laugh::laugh:

[cassidy]

Willow (good morning!) how do we really know that George has not "manned up" and thrown the truth in Cindy's face? Behind closed doors? Much as we think we are, we are really NOT privy to everything that goes on between them. I also think Cindy knows the truth....doesn't need to be thrown in her face. As someone posted upthread, we really haven't heard from her in quite a while. I think they BOTH know the truth.

But again: I don't care one way or the other if they come out and announce it publicly.

I don't care if they come out publicly either. Just the fact that they are going to such lengths to not give statements under oath tell me that they are hiding something. I just wish they would tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. If they are implicit in covering for their daughter they they are guilty of a crime under the law. If their daughter killed granddaughter then SHE needs to be punished under the law. Their granddaughter is dead. Someone did that to her. They need to find justice for Caylee, no matter WHO did it, even their own daughter.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

I think Cindy's media silence coupled with George's suicide attempt tell us everything we need to know about where they are in their reality check. JMO.
Hi Savannah and Willow!


Yep!!!!

Oh hi there! I saw you posting yesterday and wanted to say hello but didn't get the chance.....good to see you again! :seeya:

[KayOh]

I love you dearly, but you sig. isn't sitting too well with me right now. :laugh::laugh:

It is annoying isn't it ... :tonguewag:.
So, is George off at an undisclosed facility or at home?

[WillowInFlight]

I don't care if they come out publicly either. Just the fact that they are going to such lengths to not give statements under oath tell me that they are hiding something. I just wish they would tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. If they are implicit in covering for their daughter they they are guilty of a crime under the law. If their daughter killed granddaughter then SHE needs to be punished under the law. Their granddaughter is dead. Someone did that to her. They need to find justice for Caylee, no matter WHO did it, even their own daughter.

JMO

Thats what I don't get, their beautiful little 2 year old grandchild is gone, they will never hear her laughter, her cries. Never feel those butterfly kisses, yet she seems forgotten. Why? How? IMO they need to find a way to honor her, and the hopefully be able to move on.

[WillowInFlight]

It is annoying isn't it ... :tonguewag:.
So, is George off at an undisclosed facility or at home?

As of 8:00 last night he was moved to a new hiding place closer to home.

[cassidy]

Thats what I don't get, their beautiful little 2 year old grandchild is gone, they will never hear her laughter, her cries. Never feel those butterfly kisses, yet she seems forgotten. Why? How? IMO they need to find a way to honor her, and the hopefully be able to move on.

That's what I don't get either. If they know Casey killed Caylee and IF they are hoping to get her off, what of the future? How do you "pick up the pieces and move on" with that knowledge? What kind of a life would that be? Or would they have designed a prison of their own making?

JMO

[nc1948]

NC, that's the thing..and let me say I agree with you about the nonstop chatter coming from CA. Here's my thing though.. we haven't seen or heard from CA or GA since the remains were found. Unless I missed something, which is possible. We've heard from the lawyer and we've heard parts of emails uninviting people to funerals (which was not initiated by CA IMO) and we've heard snippets of what GA supposedly wrote in his suicide letter. I too have felt bad for CA only to change my mind when she opens her mouth and starts spewing lies. BUT they still lost their granddaughter and that is not something I would wish on my worst enemy. We don't know what is or isnt' being said in that house right now. The idea that they are getting their stories straight is silly to me, only because their stories have been here, there, everywhere and we've heard them all. I dont' believe they are attempting to get any stories straight. I think it was a selfish thing for GA to do. I think no matter what CA has gone done and said, she has still suffered a great loss.. and it's almost like a slap in the face for GA to attempt suicide. Some people question everything, even hand holding.. do we not want to see GA and CA support one another? Do people really want to see them split up during this disaster? See, I don't, because they only have each other.. yes I think it's a toxic house but it isn't just because of CA.. GA is no better than CA.

I hope I'm explaining myself. I just see the same people who complain about Cindy pointing fingers in regards to Caylee, are doing the same thing in regards to Georges suicide attempt.. I'd be really mad at George if I was Cindy.. very mad and hurt.. very selfish of him. If he doesn't want to be with Cindy, he can and could have walked away at any time. Instead, over the years he chose to stay and live in a house that she was mostly paying for, eating food she was buying..because we know, according to family emails that he's only worked HALF of the time.. makes him a big slacker IMO

I do understand your point. But, Cindy did not have to support her family. She also could have left. We all make choices and hers was not only to support George, but to also support Casey and
Caylee. Granted I would not let my child or grandchild starve or be homeless, but a car, a cell phone etc. No I think that was all cindy way of being in control and in charge. It was something she could throw in everyones face. George is a slacker, I agree. I really think they would both be better off if they were seperated.
I think they are toxic. Both of them. I think the House of Anthony had to be a horrible place for a 2 year old. Oh yes, they (Cindy money) bought Caylee every toy possible. But toys and lots and lots of items cannot make up for living in a house with all that anger, mistrust, arguing, dissention. IT must have been horrible.

[darcie]

I did read on one of the links in the links thread that George will be having out-patient treatment. It seems many on this forum think mental illness is nothing to be taken seriously and others seem to think that psychiatrists are idiots. The same people who laugh about how stupid George is suddenly think he is clever enough to pull the wool over the eyes of a psychiatrist for what - almost 2 weeks. Unbelievable, imo.


I agree with you Leanne, kinda...

I hope George is doing out patient therapy! I am sure that he has a conglomeration of things that need to be worked out in his head. But I tend to think that people CAN and DO pull the wool over psychiatrists eyes. Especially with ONLY two weeks of visits. That Dr. has no idea what George is or what he is made of, much less what makes him tick. Just because George was being observed, watched in his recent hospital stay, I imagine he didn't see the psychiatrist everyday all day. If George saw him once a day for 30 minutes I would be shocked. So is it possible George milked his stay? In my mind, absolutely. Did he? Who knows. The Doctor probably doesn't even know.

Actually, I would rather hear that George was milking the stay, instead of George actually contemplating ending his life! Caylee needs a voice, aqnd George has an opportunity to give her one. I can't imagine any better therapy than that.

Just my thoughts.

[CelticDawn]

As of 8:00 last night he was moved to a new hiding place closer to home.

No...Huh???!!!


I hope the man can heal and then I hope he goes to the OCSD and spills it all....no need for a public display either...

But the man has to have a chance to heal some....<without some hag gnawing at his limbs 24/7>

[Kathlb]

Where else could he have gone? Lee moved back home..
I have never seen any of his "friends". He doesn't have co-workers.
Does he have insurance to stay at a facility just to be away from cindy?


Moo

His folks live down in Ft. Meyers I thought from what I've read. I believe that is where he went when they separated. I was hoping really hard he would go there when discharged and not back to that toxic house that Cindy has created from all indications. To me it means that nothing was solved during his stay in the hospital other than maybe some meds.

[cassidy]

As of 8:00 last night he was moved to a new hiding place closer to home.

According to Conway, he's back home in his own bed.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-george-anthony-released-020309,0,4453088.story

[WhiteShark]

Yes they can plead the 5th. They all have grounds because of obstruction of justice charges that could be filed.

I would bet the 3 Ant's know by then if they will be charged with anything. If the SA tells them there are no charges pending as of a specific date, they would have no charges to be protected against. Thus a judge could order them to participate, and if the 3 Ants don't comply with the order they can be held in contempt of court.
As long as there is the possibility something they say in an answer could incriminate them, they would be safe taking the 5th. That is why I think some machinations will be going on to make taking the 5th a moot point.

[Postergeist]

bolding mine.

True. but if and when the pebble is removed, that person can walk without the pain they thought was inevitable. Sometimes you can't see what is happening to you until you are taken out of the situation or allow yourself to be removed from it. I just wish that George could find it in himself to do the right thing by Caylee. I doubt that will happen though.

JMO

yes- and then there will be those that will have the phantom pain.

IMO it was too soon for him to go home- it was reported that Cindy did visit him in the hosp. IMO back in Dec. when Caylee's remains were found- they would've been better off going to a neutral location for a good month- just to be away from the home that held so many memories.

Somewhere that doesn't have any memory imprints- no news crews & community camped out- no bounty hunters and search team leaders, no police tape, no driveway candlelight vigils, etc.

I'd think it'd be hard for anyone- guilty or innocent-to just go back to status quo in a place that once a child played to later have people coming in to remove bags of evidence.

However, it did seem like it was easy for Casey to do that.

[SavannahStar]

Good Morning darlin, I guess I don't really care either what I do care about, (don't ask me why) that they don't preach Casey's innocence to us. Trust me, I'm not cold hearted, but from what we have seen from this family, I am suspicious.
What I would love to see is, Casey serving life and the rest of the family, either, together or apart, healing. Though I don't see Cindy ever healing. IMO


I believe we will see Casey serving life. And I believe George and Cindy will eventually "heal" (if anyone can really heal completely after something like this).

I guess I differ from you and so many others in that I don't really care what Cindy says out in the public arena. She can preach Casey's innocence until she's blue in the face.....matters not one iota to me. Why should it? I know what I personally feel about Casey murdering her daughter, and I'm sure the jury will too. :smile:

[WillowInFlight]

According to Conway, he's back home in his own bed.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-george-anthony-released-020309,0,4453088.story

Wow, I thought I heard last night they were moving him. well I guess they did. LOl

[CelticDawn]

According to Conway, he's back home in his own bed.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-george-anthony-released-020309,0,4453088.story

I hope he has some good meds ...cause cindy is probably going to drive the man!!!

[KKKKKKatie]

I believe we will see Casey serving life. And I believe George and Cindy will eventually "heal" (if anyone can really heal completely after something like this).

I guess I differ from you and so many others in that I don't really care what Cindy says out in the public arena. She can preach Casey's innocence until she's blue in the face.....matters not one iota to me. Why should it? I know what I personally feel about Casey murdering her daughter, and I'm sure the jury will too. :smile:

I can agree SS....unless their "preaching" turns into something criminal.

I truly hope that they all get the help they need and can move on in some fashion.

[WillowInFlight]

I believe we will see Casey serving life. And I believe George and Cindy will eventually "heal" (if anyone can really heal completely after something like this).

I guess I differ from you and so many others in that I don't really care what Cindy says out in the public arena. She can preach Casey's innocence until she's blue in the face.....matters not one iota to me. Why should it? I know what I personally feel about Casey murdering her daughter, and I'm sure the jury will too. :smile:

Savannah, I guess with me, it's don't preach to me what you know is not true. I will gladly listen to the truth and sympathize, but if you can't publically speak the truth, then don't say anything at all.

[Kathlb]

But don't you think he would lose with Cindy and possibly Lee?

If the other two are determined to protect Casey and he then goes against the pact/script whatever it is- maybe he feels they'd both disown him?

If my husband were covering up for our daughter who killed our granddaughter, lying to authorities, purposefully giving them the wrong items, and all that Cindy, Lee & Casey have done, I would have lost all respect for them by now and out of respect for that baby, I couldn't live there anymore. If they disowned me, I'd be better off. I would head to my folks's like George did before in south Florida. If he stays, that tells me a lot. I think he dearly loved Caylee, but to follow Cindy, Lee & Casey now is totally dishonoring her memory IMHO.

[KayOh]

I believe we will see Casey serving life. And I believe George and Cindy will eventually "heal" (if anyone can really heal completely after something like this).

I guess I differ from you and so many others in that I don't really care what Cindy says out in the public arena. She can preach Casey's innocence until she's blue in the face.....matters not one iota to me. Why should it? I know what I personally feel about Casey murdering her daughter, and I'm sure the jury will too. :smile:

I think you're right.
We were all incensed when Casey was let out on bail and Cindy went on and on about her innocence... making ridiculous statements to the press.
The fact is .. we all should have a certain peace now in knowing that Casey's fate rests in the hands of 12 people who are NOT her mother ... Cindy's excuses or stories are no longer of any consequence in the grand scheme of things.

[apothecary]

IMO George and Cindy think that theyare showing their ultimate love for their daughter by covering for her sins.They can't get Caylee back and feel that they do not want to be responsible for Casey's inprisonment.Maybe they feel nothing can be gained by telling the truth and if they lie at least she has a chance.I can understand such thought (not condone it) but what gets me is that Casey expects them to do it and shows no gratitude or apologies.Not once did I hear her say to them"sorry I put you through this and how are you holding out"Instead its all about her and her inconveniences...GRRRR:cursing:

[Kathlb]

For God's sake, will SOMEONE on Nancy Grace please address what seems to be the obvious question regarding the civil case?

Casey has counter-sued Ms Gonzalez. How can she do that and then refuse to answer questions? Legally how can that possibly be allowed?

Yes, I understand about her Fifth Amendment rights, but it makes no sense to me that she can counter-sue and then claim she has no responsibility to provide any information.

And I wish NG would please address this question!

If this hasn't been answered yet, I am assuming that the judge will order Casey's suit dropped if she refuses to answer like she agreed to. She can't have it both ways.

[SavannahStar]

Savannah, I guess with me, it's don't preach to me what you know is not true. I will gladly listen to the truth and sympathize, but if you can't publically speak the truth, then don't say anything at all.

Well, she hasn't been lately.......

[kitty1182]

I hope he has some good meds ...cause cindy is probably going to drive the man!!!

I was so hoping he didn't go back home...

[cassidy]

Because she can't speak the truth.

Neither can her attorney and he keeps talking to the media :)

[shelkobe]

**snip** [...] but what gets me is that Casey expects them to do it and shows no gratitude or apologies.Not once did I hear her say to them"sorry I put you through this and how are you holding out"Instead its all about her and her inconveniences...GRRRR:cursing:
I could not imagine any child, guilty or not, not telling their Mom and Dad that they were sorry for all of this and for all the pain they were going through. Hopefully she said something like that in private, but nothing in Casey's public demeanor gives any indication that she could muster up those kinds of feelings for her parents.

[WhiteShark]

My personal opinion, George should have stayed where he was...
I worry about what he may still do as this trial gets closer and closer.
He can't change what he said at the JG..
When he testifies at her trial he can't contradict himself from what he said at the JG or from the statements he gave the FBI (which he swore to be the truth at the end of it). He is stuck now with the facts that Caylee is dead and he will be testifying against his daughter...
Those two things alone would make one suicidal...but then throw Cindy into that mix.....Whew.....I hope someone has a keen eye on poor George......

All my opinion

IMO, poor George maybe more worried about what he testified to in the GJ than anything else.
Pure speculation alert!: I wonder if cindy could have confronted George about his GJ testimony. Perhaps she went ballistic when she found out George had been brutally truthful. cindy wouldn't be able to handle that especially, especially if it would/could hurt casey's defense. :sneaky: :thumbdown:
It could have been what happened to cause this sudden breakdown he had. I DO think he had a mental breakdown. I don't think there was anything nefarious in it, I could be wrong.....but after watching him these last months it didn't surprise me this happened, nor that he requires some long-term care.

[WillowInFlight]

I could not imagine any child, guilty or not, not telling their Mom and Dad that they were sorry for all of this and for all the pain they were going through. Hopefully she said something like that in private, but nothing in Casey's public demeanor gives any indication that she could muster up those kinds of feelings for her parents.

Nope, and I keep going back to that last released video, That IMO was the real Casey.:scared:

[?noanswer]

Can CA, GA and LA plead the fifth and avoid answering questions in deposition? If this has been addressed I missed it.


Copied Lapis’ post from the following thread. It may answer some of your questions.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348660&page=7 (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348660&page=7) #276
JMO

The whole key here is what questions are asked. The judge will look at the questions and decide if the protection applies and if they are relevant to the issue in the lawsuit. If he agrees with KC's lawyers then nothing will happen to her. If he decides that the questions are relevant to her counterclaim then he might dismiss the counterclaim. If he agrees with the plaintiff then they will go back and ask the question again. If she again refuses, they then go back before the judge for a contempt hearing.

With respect to Lee it doesn't matter whether he has been charged or not. If the answer to the question may incriminate him in a crime he does not have to answer. For example, if they ask him if he has ever sold drugs he does not have to answer. First it is not relevant to the issues in this lawsuit and the answer may tend to incriminate him. If his attorney determines the answer may tend to incriminate him then they will not answer and the judge will decide as above.

I hope this helps. The key here is to step back and realize this is not unique to the Anthonys and they are not asking for special treatment. If your deposition was taken for any reason you would be afforded the same protection. Really, this is one thing where the Anthony attorneys are doing right by their clients. JMO

[KayOh]

Nope, and I keep going back to that last released video, That IMO was the real Casey.:scared:

Would you mind directing me to that video? :wub:

[WillowInFlight]

IMO, poor George maybe more worried about what he testified to in the GJ than anything else.
Pure speculation alert!: I wonder if cindy could have confronted George about his GJ testimony. Perhaps she went ballistic when she found out George had been brutally truthful.
She wouldn't be able to handle that especially, especially if it would/could hurt casey's defense. :sneaky: :thumbdown:

If that was the case, that would have happened months ago.

[Pruddennce]

IMO your post was so good I didn't have the heart to snip it. ITA Cindy needs help, but in order to heal she has to accept that she was part of the problem, I don't see that happening.

I agree. further, Cindy is a liar. of monumental proportions. there is no rationalizing with a liar. it simply provokes more lies, excuses.

it is quite obvious her behaviour is what casey's psychopathic tendencies are built upon.

example: she downplays Casey's fraudulent activity, the birthday check router # fraud, by saying it was less than $50...as if the monetary value diminishes the seriousness of the crime.

a breakthru enlightenment will never occur for this person.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

Would you mind directing me to that video? :wub:
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/17/jail-house-video-of-casey-anthony-and-parents-cindy-george-anthony-released-but-im-so-beyond-frustrated-with-all-of-this-what-about-caylee/

[Neffy]

I could not imagine any child, guilty or not, not telling their Mom and Dad that they were sorry for all of this and for all the pain they were going through. Hopefully she said something like that in private, but nothing in Casey's public demeanor gives any indication that she could muster up those kinds of feelings for her parents.


An apology LOL. Casey wants an apology being a victim and all. George and Cindy gave things to the police and we know what they're agenda is. So no more contact and no more questions.

Apparently the Anthony's see things Casey's way now taking the 5th.

A family of clams.

[Neffy]

I agree. further, Cindy is a liar. of monumental proportions. there is no rationalizing with a liar. it simply provokes more lies, excuses.

it is quite obvious her behaviour is what casey's psychopathic tendencies are built upon.

example: she downplays Casey's fraudulent activity, the birthday check router # fraud, by saying it was less than $50...as if the monetary value diminishes the seriousness of the crime.

a breakthru enlightenment will never occur for this person.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


Somewhere I'd read that what Casey stole from the grandparents was in the thousands. Anyone have a dollar amount of stolen cash?

[Pretty Leaf]

Did not read entire hear so sorry if this has been addressed


If CA or GA or Lee were to plead the 5th would/could the questions and or facts that they had already testified to while being questioned prior not be used in the hearing and could be used against them?

make sense???

[Pruddennce]

Nope, and I keep going back to that last released video, That IMO was the real Casey.:scared:

and the first jailhouse call...which I hope is the first thing offered to the jurors:

*GIVE ME TONY's #!*
* all they care about is getting caylee back, thats all they care about*...AFTERTHOUGHT: and thats all I care about.

right.

oops.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[PuffDragon]

If you lose people who are totally toxic to you as a person, do you really lose?

I don't think so. But some people are so afraid of change that they would rather stay in a toxic situation than strike out on their own.

[funkyflower]

Hello everyone.

I'd like to just state the obvious but somehow, keeps getting lost in this mess. It burns me up.:cursing:

Caylee has still yet to be buried or even have a memorial service. The lack of concern for Caylee is never any less horrific and appalling for me as the days keep passing. This seems to be the ONLY thing consistent for this family.
SELFISHNESS
They have press conferences. They got on television shows. They have fights with people in front of their home. They all have lawyers. They have breakdowns. They can't see past then tip of their OWN noses to give a darn about even the remains of this child.

[WillowInFlight]

and the first jailhouse call...which I hope is the first thing offered to the jurors:

*GIVE ME TONY's #!*
* all they care about is getting caylee back, thats all they care about*...AFTERTHOUGHT: and thats all I care about.

right.

oops.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

True, true. But I'm a visual kind of girl. :laugh:

[WhiteShark]

If they want George to heal they should cancel the public memorial and have a private funeral. But that would be the intelligent logical thing to do... so I guess it won't happen that way. I highly suspect $$$ is behind the public memorial. Poor George has to come home and discuss jewelry for Caylee, flowers and music. jmo

I see your point about the $$$, but I also think not having something public would only result in more screaming on Hopespring street. All the people who worked their butts off looking for this baby deserve some appreciation and need some closure. I don't think there would be anything public if she hadn't somehow gotten that message loud and clear.
I know alot of people think it is only $$$. Where did this come from? Have I missed something? Trust me I am no supporter of cindy, far from it and for a multitude of reasons.......but I don't understand where this money thing is coming from.:confused:

[Dells]

I'm guessing more than anything, she wants Casey to say under oath it wasn't her and to have the satisfaction of making her state it for all to see and hear. Something to hang her hat on if anyone refuses to hire her or rent to her or anything else in the future. We've all been following things in minute detail, but a huge part of society hasn't, they've just heard the highlights. So I'm sure there are those out there who think she possibly did it. We all know that's a lie from Casey's mouth, but they might not.

Oh and good morning!!! :-)

I agree, and that is exactly what she should get. Her name has been dragged through the mud because of Casey's lies. I seriously am astounded by the number of people that have been negatively impacted by this whole mess that was created by Casey. Enough is enough.:sneaky:

[WhiteShark]

When she first started appearing on NG I didn't like her. But she's grown on me with her witty remarks.:thumbsup:

Me too. Slowly but surely I came around to her. Now I anxiously await her nightly pithy comment/joke/riddle or poem.........:laugh:
Plus she is pretty good in her punditry.

[BJames]

I agree. further, Cindy is a liar. of monumental proportions. there is no rationalizing with a liar. it simply provokes more lies, excuses.

it is quite obvious her behaviour is what casey's psychopathic tendencies are built upon.

example: she downplays Casey's fraudulent activity, the birthday check router # fraud, by saying it was less than $50...as if the monetary value diminishes the seriousness of the crime.

a breakthru enlightenment will never occur for this person.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I agree Pru, and we have seen that played out many times.
Even in Cindy's interview when the detectives have told her that Casey had never left the area during that period of time...she not only hung onto those lies...but she expanded upon them. It reminded me of when Casey was at Universal to show LE where her 'office' was...even when confronted and admitted to it all being a lie...she continued to expand on those untruths as well....The phone on her desk...when she went to 'work'?...and on and on..
It is as tho there is so much wrapped up in their lies that to state any basic bottom line truth...I don't think Casey nor Cindy could do that. It isn't just one lie..it's one that leads to another and another..so that it is so interwoven that they can't pull the lies out and have any 'truth' that would make sense.

Just my opinion of course...

[Postergeist]

I could not imagine any child, guilty or not, not telling their Mom and Dad that they were sorry for all of this and for all the pain they were going through. Hopefully she said something like that in private, but nothing in Casey's public demeanor gives any indication that she could muster up those kinds of feelings for her parents.

hmm- something in private- well could be, as she's been purchasing the saftey ink pens and writing tablets, envelopes and such- so maybe she has been corresponding with her family for the past few months.

I've not heard any scoops of people online that are new penpals with her- but it might be out there and I haven't seen it.

[Dells]

But you can bet your bottom dollar he's not finished with his therapy (or he's one bad puppy). I'm sure he's doing out-patient treatment, or even having a therapist come to their home. Could be that he's on anti-depressent/anti-anxiety meds as well.

No doctor here - just MHO

Best,

I agree. I am sure he is going to be treated on an outpatient basis from this point forward. He is most likely on antidepressants and he should be getting therapy as well. This is something that the whole family should be doing.

[desmom]

I agree. further, Cindy is a liar. of monumental proportions. there is no rationalizing with a liar. it simply provokes more lies, excuses.

it is quite obvious her behaviour is what casey's psychopathic tendencies are built upon.

example: she downplays Casey's fraudulent activity, the birthday check router # fraud, by saying it was less than $50...as if the monetary value diminishes the seriousness of the crime.

a breakthru enlightenment will never occur for this person.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Exactly Pru!

When Yuri pointed out all the things Cindy was saying and was telling the media were not true, she continued as if she did not hear what he had said.

What was it she told the media? Something like if it did not come out of her mouth it was not true. IMO everything that came out of Cindy's mouth was anything but the truth.

jmo

[Mandysmom]

I've come to the conclusion that cynthia is refusing to hold any memorial for Caylee unless her murderer can participate in some manner.

As for george, I think any hope of him recovering depends on facing reality and not living a lie any longer. How he can even begin to do that, living with cynthia is a mystery to me.
Good morning, my friend.

I don't understand the need to have Casey participate in the memorial either. I've thought about this a lot and just can't seem to make sense of it.

I don't think we'll ever see the A's showing anything but support for Casey in public. I guess I can understand that to an extent. I don't think I would be able to admit her guilt in public if she were my daughter either.

What they are thinking when they alone is another story than the public face they put on in my beliefs anyway.

:sad:

[*MoonRider*]

I see your point about the $$$, but I also think not having something public would only result in more screaming on Hopespring street. All the people who worked their butts off looking for this baby deserve some appreciation and need some closure. I don't think there would be anything public if she hadn't somehow gotten that message loud and clear.
I know alot of people think it is only $$$. Where did this come from? Have I missed something? Trust me I am no supporter of cindy, far from it and for a multitude of reasons.......but I don't understand where this money thing is coming from.:confused:

They were seeking donations for the funeral at first until the public became outraged. I could be wrong but I think something like exclusive rights to pictures will be sold. Just like the Ana Nicole funeral. I'll be the first to eat the crow if I'm wrong. moo

[WillowInFlight]

Exactly Pru!

When Yuri pointed out all the things Cindy was saying and was telling the media were not true, she continued as if she did not hear what he had said.

What was it she told the media? Something like if it did not come out of her mouth it was not true. IMO everything that came out of Cindy's mouth was anything but the truth.

jmo

Would that be like "we're getting threats!, I never said we were getting threats, when did that come out of my mouth"?

[Dells]

I dont think George even wants to plead the 5th. He is just not good at hiding things when it comes to LE or anything else and Cindy is probably scared he lets something slip even tho not intentional.

I just think they are going to use his attempt to everything they can to keep him from uttering 1 word. He spilled before ( not all, just enough) and that must scare Cindy alot.

I just wish they would all tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may. If they believe Casey is innocent, then telling the truth shouldn't hurt anything. I just don't see where they can get off pleading the 5th. Legally I can, but if Casey is innocent then it truly shouldn't matter. Why would they put their reputation on the line and lie for Casey when all of her words and actions have done nothing except lead to the destruction of their family? I just don't get it. People have been disowned by their families for much less than what Casey has done to them.:sneaky:

[PuffDragon]

According to the website Gil Cabot was falsely accused and wrongly imprisoned. Why does he need to use the alias "Todd Black"? Don't crooks use aliases? :confused:

If Gil is not "Todd" why not have the real Todd Black step forward and 'splain it all to us maggots and leaches? :smile: P.S. sorry I forgot, Todd Black=not real.

No no, you must have missed the part that said "Todd Black" was everybody.
I assume it's supposed to be like some of those places where the employee dealing with the public doesn't want his real identity public so there's a made-up name that they all use when they are on duty.

[trich]

Good Morning darlin, I guess I don't really care either what I do care about, (don't ask me why) that they don't preach Casey's innocence to us. Trust me, I'm not cold hearted, but from what we have seen from this family, I am suspicious.
What I would love to see is, Casey serving life and the rest of the family, either, together or apart, healing. Though I don't see Cindy ever healing. IMO


I don't believe Cindy will ever admit openly that Casey killed Caylee.
I also don't believe any of that family will heal until they admit to the truth.
Cindy IMO now is all about herself.....
I think this memorial is a travisty....it is all for show and possibly money too.
I believe she thinks that by wanting Casey to share in the memorial she is telling the world she believes Casey is innocent.
But IMO a person would have to be brain dead to believe this.

[?noanswer]

A lot of people, if not most, who leave a mental health facility have to go back to their own homes. And to be honest, when they go home, they are going back to their problems. You just can't get help and then expect to go home to a whole new life and home. I think a major part of getting better it is necessary to work through those problems in your own home, because that it reality. If you deal with reality when you are getting treatment, it will find you somewhere along the line. So, I think it is better to deal with it sooner than later. If George does decide to leave, he will have to stand up for himself and do it the right way. I do have empathy for him and am worried about him as well. But I also realize he is an adult and he has to stand up to his responsibilites (embracing the truth) so he can beging to heal.

And if all the secrets are so bad that the whole world will shudder, than so be it. Let the truth out. I never really quite fully understood the menaing of "embrace the truth" but this case has educated me.

Cindy hates anybody who doesn't agree with her. That tells me she is paranoid. She is so afraid that their secrets will leak out. I think George will start healing before any of them. I'm not even sure if Cindy is capable of it. But she needs help also. Just embrace the truth, it will be a big relief and big help to get out from the weight of those secrets. I think we are a forgiving people in general.

If any "secrets" leak out, they can't be as bad as the fact that KC is charged with murder 1. The world knows about that. The only secret that could be equal or worse is, if the answer to Lee's question "Is this like the last time?" would be equivalent to what KC is charged with now. JMO

[aubrey04]

Exactly Pru!

When Yuri pointed out all the things Cindy was saying and was telling the media were not true, she continued as if she did not hear what he had said.

What was it she told the media? Something like if it did not come out of her mouth it was not true. IMO everything that came out of Cindy's mouth was anything but the truth.

jmo

Perfect example of Pru's statement that there is no rationalizing with a liar. Cindy was busted with her lies with Yuri but she still forged on. I am quite shocked that Yuri and the other man (was it John Allen?) had the patience with Cindy that they did.

I would have flipped out if someone was acting like that to me and I was searching for a missing 2/3 year old. It must have taken ever fiber in their beings to not go nuts on her!

[Postergeist]

I see your point about the $$$, but I also think not having something public would only result in more screaming on Hopespring street. All the people who worked their butts off looking for this baby deserve some appreciation and need some closure. I don't think there would be anything public if she hadn't somehow gotten that message loud and clear.
I know alot of people think it is only $$$. Where did this come from? Have I missed something? Trust me I am no supporter of cindy, far from it and for a multitude of reasons.......but I don't understand where this money thing is coming from.:confused:

the money thing- possible scenerios are that family attorneys plan to shop it to a media outlet (think ET- that covered the ANS funeral) and only allow those present- like how attornies got paid for licensing fees for photos and videos of Caylee and the family during the Anthony interviews last year.

imo

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning, my friend.

I don't understand the need to have Casey participate in the memorial either. I've thought about this a lot and just can't seem to make sense of it.

I don't think we'll ever see the A's showing anything but support for Casey in public. I guess I can understand that to an extent. I don't think I would be able to admit her guilt in public if she were my daughter either.

What they are thinking when they alone is another story than the public face they put on in my beliefs anyway.

:sad:

You are 100 percent right MM.

[Dells]

I hope George is getting out patient and it works for him so he can sort out everything in this mess but I think they are going to use it to the fullest so that he doesnt have to say anything to anyone at anytime. That should make Cindy feel better.
Lee and Cindy are much more hard nosed and will DEFINETLY not say anything. I really dont think Cindy trusts George to be quiet.


But if we think about it, it all boils down to 1 person who can make this all go away and she isnt going to no matter who she hurts in the process. Shes already destroyed so many lives.

Exactly, all paths lead right back to Casey. From the beginning she had the power to tell the truth and not put her family, friends, and community through this horrendous ordeal. Obviously, she only cares about herself. She has really gotten herself into a pickle and there is no way she is getting out of it. She will take as many people down with her as she can. I can't wait until her guilty verdict is read and she is led to jail for the rest of her pathetic life. Hopefully once she is put away she won't be able to hurt others any longer.

[KayOh]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/01/17/jail-house-video-of-casey-anthony-and-parents-cindy-george-anthony-released-but-im-so-beyond-frustrated-with-all-of-this-what-about-caylee/

Thanks, sweetie.... All I can say about that is OMG.. I'm speechless.

[happygert]

hmm- something in private- well could be, as she's been purchasing the saftey ink pens and writing tablets, envelopes and such- so maybe she has been corresponding with her family for the past few months.

I've not heard any scoops of people online that are new penpals with her- but it might be out there and I haven't seen it.

casey's been writing to her parents and lee they are being hand delivered thru baez.........jmo..

[Dells]

I love it when Susan Moss is on NG. She is so funny. :biggrin:

:wub: I love her too! Her one liners are priceless. I wish NG had her on more often. She provides a lot of comic relief in this truly horrible case.

[WillowInFlight]

Exactly, all paths lead right back to Casey. From the beginning she had the power to tell the truth and not put her family, friends, and community through this horrendous ordeal. Obviously, she only cares about herself. She has really gotten herself into a pickle and there is no way she is getting out of it. She will take as many people down with her as she can. I can't wait until her guilty verdict is read and she is led to jail for the rest of her pathetic life. Hopefully once she is put away she won't be able to hurt others any longer.

Oh come now, they can't keep her in solitary confinement forever. :sneaky:

[Pruddennce]

Somewhere I'd read that what Casey stole from the grandparents was in the thousands. Anyone have a dollar amount of stolen cash?


Rick's emails to Cindy enumerate money stolen from the grandfather's account (he indicates their mother had the statement).....

however Rick challenges Cindy's statement that her 401k, around $50K was used up to pay off George's debt....Rick says no, it was because of casey (George had already paid down his debts thru workman's comp he states). family confrontation about lies. one he did hit on the mark was the birthday check....Cindy said it was never cashed, but admitted the router check fraud, but downplayed it....... but it was cashed and became part of the doc dump.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

best regards,
Pru

[Dunlurken]

Thanks, sweetie.... All I can say about that is OMG.. I'm speechless.

Morning all! Is that the first time you've seen that clip?

[Facinated]

I wonder if CA wants her daughter to participate in a memorial because she knows that she killed Caylee and wants to see her face one last time (ie: does she finally realize and regret what she has done) before she gets LWOP!!!

We have not heard from CA for so long now, perhaps she has had this time to think about all thE evidence and come to the logical conclusion herself!

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks, sweetie.... All I can say about that is OMG.. I'm speechless.

It was a real eye opener thats for sure.

[Dells]

Remember when George brought up " they are like the fingers on the hand" at the jail house visit. George the thumb, Cindy the index, Lee the middle, Casey the ring and Caylee the little finger. Sounded like the " Five Finger Prayer." George- thumb- nearest you-C.S. Lewis" sweet duty." Cindy- index- To teach, instruct & heal. Needs support & wisdom in pointing others in the right direction. Lee- index- tallest, needs guidance. Casey- ring- weakest finger- trouble- pain. Caylee-smallest- Bible says " the least shall be the greatest among you." So appro. IMOO. And Good Morning . I lurk alot.

:seeya: Nice to see you here! Please come out of lurking more often!

Yes, I remember when George brought that up. Casey should have been the middle finger though considering all that she has put her family through.:sneaky: She is like thumbing her nose at them and doesn't care at all that she has ruined all their lives.

[martha]

Good morning everyone I see they did not tell the truth about george and where he was going. oh well I don;t expect any truth in this case anyway. I just take everything with a grain of salt now days. Just have to wait until the trial I guess. Then we may not hear the truth.jmho

[Pruddennce]

casey's been writing to her parents and lee they are being hand delivered thru baez.........jmo..

nope, thats not your own opinion gert....its FACT. :)

taken from the minimal text msgs released from Cindy's phone between the family.

page 6
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677910/Cindy-Anthony-Cell-Phone

best regards,
Pru

[Dunlurken]

I wonder if CA wants her daughter to participate in a memorial because she knows that she killed Caylee and wants to see her face one last time (ie: does she finally realize and regret what she has done) before she gets LWOP!!!

We have not heard from CA for so long now, perhaps she has had this time to think about all thE evidence and come to the logical conclusion herself!

JMO

Cindy is in denial. Doesn't think Casey murdered Caylee. Believes an innocent Casey should be allowed to see/witness Caylee's memorial service. JMO.

[Mandysmom]

You are 100 percent right MM.

Good morning Willow. I believe little Caylee was the only thing really holding this family together.

Sadly, her evil incubator destroyed the best thing they had.

:sad:

[PuffDragon]

I'm sorry, I just can't work up a lot of interest in George's issues. I'm sorry he had a meltdown. I'm sorry that he's depressed. I don't much care about whether Cindy drove him to it or it was Caylee's murder that he couldn't reconcile. I simply don't care if he is constitutionally unable to deal with his problems in a constructive way. I don't care much about Cindy's mental health either. Whether she's directly responsible for our perception of her, or whether there are other dynamics in the family than we know about, I just don't care. Other people find ways of working things out. They will have to work something out in the end, regardless of what or when the end is. I'm just not willing to give either of them a lot of empathy. It doesn't advance the case against Casey and it's wearing me out. As far as I'm concerned they are typical normally dysfunctional individuals, no better or worse than so many others who aren't in the spotlight and are dealing or not dealing with their own issues.

My feeling sorry for either or both of them isn't going to do them a bit of good. They are not worth wasting my time on.

Hmmmmm.... I'm rather short on patience this morning, aren't I?

[WillowInFlight]

Cindy is in denial. Doesn't think Casey murdered Caylee. Believes an innocent Casey should be allowed to see/witness Caylee's memorial service. JMO.

That's funny, Cindy's own lawyer announced last week that Cindy and George are not sure of Casey's innocence, their days of denial are long past. IMO.

[Dells]

Where else could he have gone? Lee moved back home..
I have never seen any of his "friends". He doesn't have co-workers.
Does he have insurance to stay at a facility just to be away from cindy?


Moo

Couldn't he have gone to stay with his parents? His parents are still alive, aren't they? Also, if he has any siblings I would think he could go to them if he needed them. I don't know, perhaps The Anthony's have alienated all of their extended families w/their unwavering support of Casey? :shrug:

[Pruddennce]

I agree Pru, and we have seen that played out many times.
Even in Cindy's interview when the detectives have told her that Casey had never left the area during that period of time...she not only hung onto those lies...but she expanded upon them. It reminded me of when Casey was at Universal to show LE where her 'office' was...even when confronted and admitted to it all being a lie...she continued to expand on those untruths as well....The phone on her desk...when she went to 'work'?...and on and on..
It is as tho there is so much wrapped up in their lies that to state any basic bottom line truth...I don't think Casey nor Cindy could do that. It isn't just one lie..it's one that leads to another and another..so that it is so interwoven that they can't pull the lies out and have any 'truth' that would make sense.

Just my opinion of course...

and its an intelligent opinion.

IMO <----:D

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning Willow. I believe little Caylee was the only thing really holding this family together.

Sadly, her evil incubator destroyed the best thing they had.

:sad:

ITA, what I don't get is, this family still has a chance to do right by this baby, but yet they don't seem to be doing it. A public memorial that seats 5000, WTH?

[Dells]

Hey everyone.. Hoping we get some docs today.. Would really like to know what the fingerprint evidence is, if there were any or not.


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I hope we get some docs really soon too. I truly hope Casey's fingerprints are all over that duct tape. I can just see the defense having a field day if her prints are not on that tape.:sneaky: They will see it as a win for them. I don't think they need those fingerprints to convict her, but they sure would help.

[ruth66]

I could not imagine any child, guilty or not, not telling their Mom and Dad that they were sorry for all of this and for all the pain they were going through. Hopefully she said something like that in private, but nothing in Casey's public demeanor gives any indication that she could muster up those kinds of feelings for her parents.

I haven't heard an Anthony say anything close to that to the sheriff's office for having to over extend their staff over this case or to let's say Tim Miller who spent over $100,000 searching for CAYLEE, or even LP (like him or not) for putting up the initial bond. The shameful thing here is that there are so many missing children out there whose families could use help and all the attention is being placed on this family. Granted CAYLEE did not and does not deserve this but I have to wonder what would happen if the media went away....As it is, if there is nothing new to report, the Anthony's seem happy to oblige with a new scandal whether it is through their attornies or themselves.

JMO

[KayOh]

Morning all! Is that the first time you've seen that clip?

I'm afraid I've been away for a month and missed a lot. Working hard to get all caught up, now!

[Dunlurken]

That's funny, Cindy's own lawyer announced last week that Cindy and George are not sure of Casey's innocence, their days of denial are long past. IMO.

Did you read that in People Magazine? :confused:

[SavannahStar]

nope, thats not your own opinion gert....its FACT. :)

taken from the minimal text msgs released from Cindy's phone between the family.

page 6
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1677910/Cindy-Anthony-Cell-Phone

best regards,
Pru

I see "BTW we should not speak of any letters from Casey."

Anything else? Did I miss something on page 6?

Where does it say anything was hand-delivered by Baez?

[WillowInFlight]

Did you read that in People Magazine? :confused:

I not only read it I bought it. Your point? Is this going to go the way of yesterday?

[Daffodil]

I wonder if CA wants her daughter to participate in a memorial because she knows that she killed Caylee and wants to see her face one last time (ie: does she finally realize and regret what she has done) before she gets LWOP!!!

We have not heard from CA for so long now, perhaps she has had this time to think about all thE evidence and come to the logical conclusion herself!

JMO

I think Cindy wants Casey to participate in the memorial because it will be her last chance to exert her power over her. It's like having the last word.

[Barbara fl.]

If this hasn't been answered yet, I am assuming that the judge will order Casey's suit dropped if she refuses to answer like she agreed to. She can't have it both ways.


Good morning,

I'm getting a late start again this morning...

I also think that the counter suit will be dropped....it is the only way Casey can get around not answering the questions...

I also feel that ZG has every right to sue but I'm sure that the whole country knows that she is not the ZG that Casey claimed took Caylee...I don't think she has anything to worry about....If anyone actually believed that this ZG was in fact the one that had taken Caylee they would have to believe all the lies that Casey said, and I don't think that will happen.....JMO

[nana6]

If any "secrets" leak out, they can't be as bad as the fact that KC is charged with murder 1. The world knows about that. The only secret that could be equal or worse is, if the answer to Lee's question "Is this like the last time?" would be equivalent to what KC is charged with now. JMO

IMO there is another secret in that family. That is, who is the father of Caylee Marie?? Did I hear that LE now knows ? I hope it comes out at trial.

[Motomom]

Exactly, all paths lead right back to Casey. From the beginning she had the power to tell the truth and not put her family, friends, and community through this horrendous ordeal. Obviously, she only cares about herself. She has really gotten herself into a pickle and there is no way she is getting out of it. She will take as many people down with her as she can. I can't wait until her guilty verdict is read and she is led to jail for the rest of her pathetic life. Hopefully once she is put away she won't be able to hurt others any longer.

I agree Dells. I do think that Baez is an issue here too though. Twice he interferred. I am not sure that she would have confessed to anybody, but we won't know now. Looking fwd to when this entire fiasco..because only then, will anyone in that family be able to heal. IMO

[nana6]

I not only read it I bought it. Your point? Is this going to go the way of yesterday?

Hi Willow, what was yesterday? I was not online much

[Dunlurken]

I'm afraid I've been away for a month and missed a lot. Working hard to get all caught up, now!

Don't try to get caught up, cause it won't happen. So much smoke and mirrors surround this case. The whole thing is an enigma to me.

I flip flop every ten minutes. And it's driving me crazy! Usually cases are more cut and dry. This one isn't. However, it hasn't gone to trial yet, so maybe that's the problem. I've never seen a case where there was so much pre-trial publicity, so many motions (or lack thereof), and we are all spinning our wheels and getting no where when it comes to the actual victim in this case...... little Caylee. JMO.

[Neffy]

Rick's emails to Cindy enumerate money stolen from the grandfather's account (he indicates their mother had the statement).....

however Rick challenges Cindy's statement that her 401k, around $50K was used up to pay off George's debt....Rick says no, it was because of casey (George had already paid down his debts thru workman's comp he states). family confrontation about lies. one he did hit on the mark was the birthday check....Cindy said it was never cashed, but admitted the router check fraud, but downplayed it....... but it was cashed and became part of the doc dump.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

best regards,
Pru

Ok that's were I'm getting muddled. I recall George in one of his interviews saying something regarding his settlement of IIRC $30,000.00ballpark and that was used to fix the debts. Now Cindy's 50k 401 used also.

I don't know what he lost in his nigerian scam aka gambling IMO but you can't loose more then what you have in the bank expecially a nigerian check scam. It would be my guess that a substantial amount of money came out of the grandparents account and had to be replaced. The exact figure we'll probably never know.

[nana6]

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George stated on camera his clients 'aren't sure of Casey's innocence.' Paraphrased.

And it was quoted in People magazine.

Yes, and I heard him on a television show also

[?noanswer]

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I hope we get some docs really soon too. I truly hope Casey's fingerprints are all over that duct tape. I can just see the defense having a field day if her prints are not on that tape.:sneaky: They will see it as a win for them. I don't think they need those fingerprints to convict her, but they sure would help.


In reality, if her fingerprints are not on that tape, that will be the biggest win of all for the defense. The only thing bigger would be if there were other prints and they could be matched with someone else. JMO

[Motomom]

casey's been writing to her parents and lee they are being hand delivered thru baez.........jmo..

Hi Gert. I'm curious to something. Could LE go to CA and GA and get those letters through a warrent? Is that possible?

[Dunlurken]

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George stated on camera his clients 'aren't sure of Casey's innocence.' Paraphrased.

And it was quoted in People magazine.

Can I respectfully ask if you have a link? I've heard it, but haven't seen it for myself. JMO. Heck, I can't even remember his name at this point. Brad Conway?

Please bear with me guys! TIA.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Infamous U. S. case has local tie
Forensic science is "not voodoo, it's not magic, it is science," said the Laurentian professor, and it doesn't matter what side of the courtroom a forensic scientist is on.

Fairgrieve said he hasn't travelled to Florida to examine any of the evidence there, but has reviewed reports of analyses of the prosecution's forensics team from his base in Sudbury.
...
His scientific findings, whatever they are, can work for or against defendants, so it is up to their lawyers to decide if they want to use those findings at trial or not.
...
If he is called as an expert witness when Casey Anthony does go to trial, Fairgrieve said it will be his job to explain the forensic evidence to the jury so it can understand it without talking down to jurors.

How much importance jurors place on the evidence will largely depend on the instructions of the judge.

http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1419288

[Tracian]

I see "BTW we should not speak of any letters from Casey."

Anything else? Did I miss something on page 6?

Where does it say anything was hand-delivered by Baez?



It also says that Jose has separate messages from Casey to each of them after the vigil...Casey also talked about writing each of them a letter, during her visit with Cindy and George.

[Leanne Weich]

I agree with you Leanne, kinda...

I hope George is doing out patient therapy! I am sure that he has a conglomeration of things that need to be worked out in his head. But I tend to think that people CAN and DO pull the wool over psychiatrists eyes. Especially with ONLY two weeks of visits. That Dr. has no idea what George is or what he is made of, much less what makes him tick. Just because George was being observed, watched in his recent hospital stay, I imagine he didn't see the psychiatrist everyday all day. If George saw him once a day for 30 minutes I would be shocked. So is it possible George milked his stay? In my mind, absolutely. Did he? Who knows. The Doctor probably doesn't even know.

Actually, I would rather hear that George was milking the stay, instead of George actually contemplating ending his life! Caylee needs a voice, aqnd George has an opportunity to give her one. I can't imagine any better therapy than that.

Just my thoughts.

I respect your opinion on this matter. Just to add something further - have you ever been in a psychiatric ward where people have been Baker Acted? Sure, they don't have a psychiatrist evaluating them 24/7 but they do have very competent staff who monitor your every move. The psychiatrists have various methods of deducing if you're genuinely suicidal or malingering. 2 weeks is quite a long time when they are only obliged to keep you for 72 hours to diagnose you.

I totally agree that if George would be Caylee's voice right now it would be the best therapy for him. However, not knowing what his mental state is, he may well not be in a mental state to do so. I know that after my grandbaby died, I was useless to any and everyone for a good 7 months thereafter, even with extensive psychiatric help so I do understand that it might be more than he can face up to right now.

[Motomom]

I wonder if CA wants her daughter to participate in a memorial because she knows that she killed Caylee and wants to see her face one last time (ie: does she finally realize and regret what she has done) before she gets LWOP!!!

We have not heard from CA for so long now, perhaps she has had this time to think about all thE evidence and come to the logical conclusion herself!

JMO

I would like to think that. I don't know. She could have gone to that court hearing last week and didn't. They get in person visits in prison don't they?

[Mandysmom]

ITA, what I don't get is, this family still has a chance to do right by this baby, but yet they don't seem to be doing it. A public memorial that seats 5000, WTH?

I know. I understand doing something for the public to thank the volunteers, searchers, etc. but this is really over the top.

I see a lot of almost political posturing and it makes me wonder what is going on?

I think that with all of the family troubles, that a small and private service for little Caylee would be best for all.

Of course, that's not my decision though.

:unsure:

[WillowInFlight]

Can I respectfully ask if you have a link? I've heard it, but haven't seen it for myself. JMO. Heck, I can't even remember his name at this point. Brad Conway?

Please bear with me guys! TIA.

Did you read the People article:confused:

[?noanswer]

Good morning,

I'm getting a late start again this morning...

I also think that the counter suit will be dropped....it is the only way Casey can get around not answering the questions...

I also feel that ZG has every right to sue but I'm sure that the whole country knows that she is not the ZG that Casey claimed took Caylee...I don't think she has anything to worry about....If anyone actually believed that this ZG was in fact the one that had taken Caylee they would have to believe all the lies that Casey said, and I don't think that will happen.....JMO

I think most people don't think there was a ZG, whether it be the one who filed suit or someone else. The only questions the attorneys for ZG have, is this the person on whom KC based her "fictional nanny". JMO

[Pooh]

Morning all! :seeya: Just getting here today. I heard on Nancy's show last night that George was released from the hospital. I can't imagine how much that stay will cost him. I was in the hospital for 3 days a few weeks ago and I got a bill for $30,000! I was in absolute shock. Thank goodness for insurance but mine isn't all that great. I'll have to pay a good chunck of that myself. Some plans don't include benefits for psychiatric care. That's one more thing George shouldn't have to worry about.

[Dunlurken]

I would like to think that. I don't know. She could have gone to that court hearing last week and didn't. They get in person visits in prison don't they?

Casey is in jail, not prison. JMO.

[Pat]

I found this part of the interview with Nancy Grace last night the most interesting:

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED LOOK FOR CAYLEE & SPENT TIME WITH CASEY ANTHONY: Well, I`ve got to believe that Cindy is definitely going to go through with it. I -- don`t know that George will be up to it, or Lee. But I can tell you this, Cindy will be there in all of her blazing glories. There`s no doubt about it.


He's seen the dynamics of this family. Sounds like he's saying they aren't all on the same page with Cindy.

If Cindy is used to controlling the rest of the family members, I would imagine she will make George and Lee attend this memorial, regardless of how they feel about it.

I'm waiting for an actual funeral to be held.

[KayOh]

Don't try to get caught up, cause it won't happen. So much smoke and mirrors surround this case. The whole thing is an enigma to me.

I flip flop every ten minutes. And it's driving me crazy! Usually cases are more cut and dry. This one isn't. However, it hasn't gone to trial yet, so maybe that's the problem. I've never seen a case where there was so much pre-trial publicity, so many motions (or lack thereof), and we are all spinning our wheels and getting no where when it comes to the actual victim in this case...... little Caylee. JMO.

I'm up to the task.
It all seems rather clear to me.
The devil is in the details... right?

[FeelinFroggy617]

You know I have no doubt about Geroge being despondant...his daughter killed his grandaughter and he knows in his heart that is true.
But I still think his suicide attempt was not for real.
I do think it is a way for him to get out of testifying because now possibly no one will believe a person with "issues" ...although the issues are about Casey killing Caylee.
The trial is still a long way off so time will tell.
But I don't see why he could not answer the questions on the Zenaida deposition.
He is not under any threat of charges.
But then I guess they will say it will upset him too much to answer.
Any way I think this family will do anything almost to not do the right thing.



Just my opinion butI believe when someone is texting family members and telling them they are going to commit suicide, that it is just a cry for help. I believe if someone is dead set on committing suicide, they would just do it. I'm not saying George wasn't thinking about it or despondent but I don't believe he was actually going to end his life.

[ruth66]

I hope this helps. The key here is to step back and realize this is not unique to the Anthonys and they are not asking for special treatment. If your deposition was taken for any reason you would be afforded the same protection. Really, this is one thing where the Anthony attorneys are doing right by their clients. JMO[/QUOTE]

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Thank you for re-posting that, it does help when you are looking at this from a complete legal position and I get that. But where I just cannot comprehend is that it appears this family has not "acted" in CAYLEE'S honor in all of this. Let's just for one second just focus on the fact that CAYLEE has yet to be laid to rest. (This is only one of many things that we could choose for the topic of honoring CAYLEE). Most families would find it difficult to know that what is physically left of their baby granddaughter is sitting in a funeral home on a shelf. So much respect is given to the remains of a loved one in giving them a proper burial. Some bury their deceased loved ones within 24 hours of passing because of religious beliefs or ethnic tradition.

I apologize, I know this has nothing to do with the "evidence" in this case but to me it is relevent to the heart....

Good Morning Everyone!

[Motomom]

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I hope we get some docs really soon too. I truly hope Casey's fingerprints are all over that duct tape. I can just see the defense having a field day if her prints are not on that tape.:sneaky: They will see it as a win for them. I don't think they need those fingerprints to convict her, but they sure would help.

I don't think they need the fingerprints either, but that just seals the deal. I think she left a ton of evidence there at the scene.. a ton. She's done for. Maybe MAYBE once Baez gets all the information, he will lay it out to her. Her pleaing down, if they would let her is her only chance IMO.

[Beach~Tenant]

G'moning all

After finally installing the latest acrobac/adobe 9.0, I am still not able to view the 1-21 docs /lastest texts file...it says the file is damaged and cannot be repaired:confused: is there any other link that I or WE can have to view that docs (59 pgs)??
K, THANKS!! :mellow:

[TisMeAgain]

Did you read the People article:confused:

she doesn't read articles or doc drops... She wants us to give her everything. I think she may be kin to Baez:tonguewag:

[Dunlurken]

I'm up to the task.
It all seems rather clear to me.
The devil is in the details... right?

Yes, the devil is in the details. JMO.

[?noanswer]

Just curious. Which would any of you like to happen.


1. A service, public or private, that is televised and the public can see and the A's receive money for it.

2. A private service that noone would know anything about what happened during the service.

[ruth66]

I don't think so. But some people are so afraid of change that they would rather stay in a toxic situation than strike out on their own.

Toxic people have a way of pulling you back into their drama unfortuneatly...But I agree, if you lose a toxic relationship it isn't neccessarily a loss....

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Gert. I'm curious to something. Could LE go to CA and GA and get those letters through a warrent? Is that possible?


Actually...it is against the law for any attorney to hand deliver anything at all to an inmate....that is why Baez was repremanded to even hugging Casey...because that is a way of handing her something...Cindy can be telling Baez to tell Casey something but nothing is to exchange from one hand to another in those meetings....

I'm surprised that the judge hasn't already said something about this seeing as Casey said it on one of her taped conversations with Cindy...

But all mail that goes to an inmate has to be checked by the prison officials first....also anything going out from an inmate.....

[Motomom]

I think Cindy wants Casey to participate in the memorial because it will be her last chance to exert her power over her. It's like having the last word.

Maybe.. Or maybe she feels that she should be there, to see her destruction? that's just wishful thinking though.

[FeelinFroggy617]

Just curious. Which would any of you like to happen.


1. A service, public or private, that is televised and the public can see and the A's receive money for it.

2. A private service that noone would know anything about what happened during the service.

Thats too easy to answer. #2. I don't want the Anthonys to receive another cent from their beloved granddaughters murder.