Tuesday Feb 3, Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Thanks for the link desmom. Well, surprise surprise! What happens now? Does Zenaida win her case?

Casey Anthony takes the Fifth in defamation suit

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey0309feb03,0,4855543.story

[desmom]

Can Casey Anthony get a fair trial in Orlando?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-changeofvenue0309feb03,0,1524824.story

[desmom]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[desmom]

Good Morning,

Thanks for the link desmom. Well, surprise surprise! What happens now? Does Zenaida win her case?

Casey Anthony takes the Fifth in defamation suit

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey0309feb03,0,4855543.story


I am not sure n/t. Several news reports and legal experts on this board said Casey cannot file a counter suit and then refuse to participate.

I found this in one of the news links ......
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8202223&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

“We hope that judge acknowledges Ms. Anthony does have her 5th amendment right to remain silent even though it’s a civil matter. If it does incriminate her in a criminal procedure then she should not have to testify under oath,” defense attorney Jose Garcia said.

Which brings up another argument that Judge Rodriguez will have to settle. “She filed a counter claim back against our client against Ms. Gonzalez. She can't under oath do that and use the 5th amendment. It’s called sword and shield. You cannot use shield of the 5th amendment and use the sword in civil litigation when you're bringing an action yourself,” Mitnik said.

[n/t]

OK her lawyer said that if Casey refuses to answer the questions, then they go back to the judge.

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MITNIK: Well, we certainly -- that is the purpose of those written questions. And I believe if she horses around and ducks those and doesn`t make a sincere effort to provide us this information, when we get back to the judge, we`re liable to end up in a live deposition with her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/02/ng.01.html

[n/t]

I am not sure n/t. Several news reports and legal experts on this board said Casey cannot file a counter suit and then refuse to participate.

I found this in one of the news links ......
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8202223&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

“We hope that judge acknowledges Ms. Anthony does have her 5th amendment right to remain silent even though it’s a civil matter. If it does incriminate her in a criminal procedure then she should not have to testify under oath,” defense attorney Jose Garcia said.

Which brings up another argument that Judge Rodriguez will have to settle. “She filed a counter claim back against our client against Ms. Gonzalez. She can't under oath do that and use the 5th amendment. It’s called sword and shield. You cannot use shield of the 5th amendment and use the sword in civil litigation when you're bringing an action yourself,” Mitnik said.

I wish NG would've brought that up last night! Maybe they dropped the counter claim?

[Myka]

Good Morning Everyone

I don't know how to post links but wftv is reporting that Todd Black is not Todd Black......they must be reading this board!

[desmom]

I wish NG would've brought that up last night! Maybe they dropped the counter claim?

Many of the TH were shocked by the counter claim pointing out it would put Casey in a bad position. Some of JB's other actions also have the TH shaking their heads wondering what the heck is JB thinking.

If Casey's legal team continues with these Rut-Roh moments, I can see this case going to an appeals court. Can a judge, the bar association or some legal board step in before trial and remove JB for his ineptness? :shrug:

[n/t]

Good Morning Everyone

I don't know how to post links but wftv is reporting that Todd Black is not Todd Black......they must be reading this board!

Is it this link? It was posted by CuC on the links thread.

Former FBI Agent Reveals True Identity Of "Todd Black"
http://www.wftv.com/news/18623676/detail.html

[PuffDragon]

I wish NG would've brought that up last night! Maybe they dropped the counter claim?

Argh, does this mean something interesting is going to break today? This and the new doc dump? I'm babysitting my year-old grand-niece (bless her sweet face) and won't get to watch anything but PBS and Disney but if she sleeps for a couple of minutes I might get a chance at my laptop so I hope everyone here keeps us news-deprived addicts in the loop.

[Myka]

Is it this link? It was posted by CuC on the links thread.

Former FBI Agent Reveals True Identity Of "Todd Black"
http://www.wftv.com/news/18623676/detail.html

yes thanks, I ususally check their web site for the latest news. I must have missed it last night

[Myka]

Argh, does this mean something interesting is going to break today? This and the new doc dump? I'm babysitting my year-old grand-niece (bless her sweet face) and won't get to watch anything but PBS and Disney but if she sleeps for a couple of minutes I might get a chance at my laptop so I hope everyone here keeps us news-deprived addicts in the loop.

have fun babysitting!

are we suppose to get a doc dump this week?

[ellegna]

Good Morning,

Thanks for the link desmom. Well, surprise surprise! What happens now? Does Zenaida win her case?

Casey Anthony takes the Fifth in defamation suit

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey0309feb03,0,4855543.story

Well Well Well.......Casey takes fifth. Who would have thought? :sneaky:

[n/t]

Many of the TH were shocked by the counter claim pointing out it would put Casey in a bad position. Some of JB's other actions also have the TH shaking their heads wondering what the heck is JB thinking.

If Casey's legal team continues with these Rut-Roh moments, I can see this case going to an appeals court. Can a judge, the bar association or some legal board step in before trial and remove JB for his ineptness? :shrug:

Not sure how that works, des but I'm with you. I think he needs to be removed from this case. On the other hand, he does have Linda Kenney-Baden on his team. She's experienced in high profile cases. Surely, she'd help him along, wouldn't she? :unsure:

The civil suit is being handled by another attorney. Is he on the same team?

I wonder if the ineptness isn't a strategy....

Think about it. It's a win win for the defense even if they lose the case. Baez gets his exposure, Casey gets to appeal....who knows.

[SavannahStar]

have fun babysitting!

are we suppose to get a doc dump this week?

WESH reported we will get new docs this week.

[starling]

OK her lawyer said that if Casey refuses to answer the questions, then they go back to the judge.

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MITNIK: Well, we certainly -- that is the purpose of those written questions. And I believe if she horses around and ducks those and doesn`t make a sincere effort to provide us this information, when we get back to the judge, we`re liable to end up in a live deposition with her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0902/02/ng.01.html

I hope I get to see the judge MAKE her do something again. Can't tell you how that brightens my day. She rubs those murdering hands together like this is some edgy game she is enjoying.

JMO

[n/t]

I wonder if Lee, George and Cindy wil be deposed anyway even if Casey pleads the 5th. Maybe they'll all plead the 5th. :huh:

===

Lee Anthony's deposition is scheduled for February 27th. His parents Cindy and George Anthony are scheduled for depositions on February 26th.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8338910&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[desmom]

Not sure how that works, des but I'm with you. I think he needs to be removed from this case. On the other hand, he does have Linda Kenney-Baden on his team. She's experienced in high profile cases. Surely, she'd help him along, wouldn't she? :unsure:

The civil suit is being handled by another attorney. Is he on the same team?

I wonder if the ineptness isn't a strategy....

Think about it. It's a win win for the defense even if they lose the case. Baez gets his exposure, Casey gets to appeal....who knows.


I forgot about another attorney handling the lawsuit. I guess I was confused because he was not in court at the motion hearing. Here is a video link of the hearing http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8217310&version=1&locale=EN-US

[desmom]

WESH reported we will get new docs this week.

Thanks SavannahStar.

Does anyone recall the timeline the court gave the state on discovery documents? I am curious to what will be in these new documents. Duct tape evidence? Evidence found with the remains or removed from the A's house? TIA

[Kathlb]

Good morning everyone. So Casey clams up now. ;-) Wonder of wonders. We saw that one coming and I'm assuming it will go back before the judge and he will order that either she answers or they have to drop their counter suit. At least that's what I'm understanding from the reports on how it all works. Baez once again shows how inept he is by filing that counter suit. Even the TH's are now wondering just what law school he went to. :laugh: If things don't change soon, I'm thinking that the judge will have to replace him to assure she gets a fair trial.

[cassidy]

Good morning everyone. So Casey clams up now. ;-) Wonder of wonders. We saw that one coming and I'm assuming it will go back before the judge and he will order that either she answers or they have to drop their counter suit. At least that's what I'm understanding from the reports on how it all works. Baez once again shows how inept he is by filing that counter suit. Even the TH's are now wondering just what law school he went to. :laugh: If things don't change soon, I'm thinking that the judge will have to replace him to assure she gets a fair trial.

Well now you've got me curious. What Law School DID he go to? Anyone know?

[Myka]

Well now you've got me curious. What Law School DID he go to? Anyone know?

a box of Cracker Jacks?

[desmom]

Good morning everyone. So Casey clams up now. ;-) Wonder of wonders. We saw that one coming and I'm assuming it will go back before the judge and he will order that either she answers or they have to drop their counter suit. At least that's what I'm understanding from the reports on how it all works. Baez once again shows how inept he is by filing that counter suit. Even the TH's are now wondering just what law school he went to. :laugh: If things don't change soon, I'm thinking that the judge will have to replace him to assure she gets a fair trial.



Jonathan Kasen is the attorney of record for in the civil case. jmo

[Kathlb]

Jonathan Kasen is the attorney of record for in the civil case. jmo

You're right, I'm sorry. :-) But it's all the same group of bumblers. I'm sure that Jose is guiding things along.

[Kathlb]

Well now you've got me curious. What Law School DID he go to? Anyone know?

I think it's been mentioned here, but I can't remember where and don't have a link for you. Maybe someone else does.

[desmom]

Anthony Family To Be Deposed In Civil Case
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18627533/detail.html#-

Hmmm, I wonder if they will ask Cindy about the Zanny address she provided to OCSO she mentioned in her interview with the FBI on 7/30. http://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.html (She talks about giving them the address in the first 2 minutes of this video.)

[jammies]

I think it's been mentioned here, but I can't remember where and don't have a link for you. Maybe someone else does.


Google: St. Thomas

[Kathlb]

Google: St. Thomas

I see in one of the comments on this page by Tom, that Baez graduated from a bottom-tier law school (St. Thomas) & took 8 YEARS to pass the bar exam.

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/01/jose_baez_casey_anthony.php

[jammies]

I see in one of the comments on this page by Tom, that Baez graduated from a bottom-tier law school (St. Thomas) & took 8 YEARS to pass the bar exam.

http://www.momlogic.com/2009/01/jose_baez_casey_anthony.php


Not suprising!

[Kathlb]

This person has checked his background out also.

http://backseatlawyer.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-is-jose-baez-besides-being-casey.html

[cassidy]

This person has checked his background out also.

http://backseatlawyer.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-is-jose-baez-besides-being-casey.html


Thanks to all who responded. He doesn't seem to have much going for him, does he? I think if I were in Casey's shoes, I'd want someone with a little,no ALOT, more experience behind him.

JMO

[Daffodil]

Many of the TH were shocked by the counter claim pointing out it would put Casey in a bad position. Some of JB's other actions also have the TH shaking their heads wondering what the heck is JB thinking.

If Casey's legal team continues with these Rut-Roh moments, I can see this case going to an appeals court. Can a judge, the bar association or some legal board step in before trial and remove JB for his ineptness? :shrug:

That is exactly what I have asked before. I wish someone could provide us with the answer.

I'm not sure but I thought that maybe LKB was an expert in a certain area. Maybe she was under the assumption that JB knew what he was doing?

[8BellesFan]

I think people will bend over backwards to make sure Casey gets a fair trial. Nobody wants to drag this out any longer than it has to be with appeals and motions and points of contention. My question is, did Caylee get a fair trial in Orlando?

[gaelicpeas]

I had never heard of the St Thomas Law School, so I googled it. It is located in Miami Gardens, FL:

"The St. Thomas University School of Law was founded in 1984...

The School of Law is not only fully accredited by the American Bar Association but it is also a member of the Association of American Law Schools. It embraces the duties and obligations of the Judeo-Christian ethic and endeavors to instill the values and ethics of that tradition and of the Catholic Church in its students. As a Catholic law school, St. Thomas University School of Law has a fundamental duty to impart these values and ethics through the teaching of law."

http://www.stu.edu/AboutSTULaw/tabid/838/Default.aspx

Also, from their fast facts page:

"Did you know that...

STU Law is ranked first in total Hispanic enrollment and fifth in Spanish Heritage enrollment according to the American Bar Association’s Official Guide to ABA-Approved Law Schools (2006 edition).
U.S. News & World Report ranks St. Thomas law school in a tie as the fourth most diverse law school
The Law School is ranked #8 for Best Environment for Minority Students by the Princeton Review
The Law School is ranked the #1 law school for conferring degrees on Hispanic students by Hispanic Outlook in Higher Education magazine"

http://www.stu.edu/AboutSTULaw/FastFacts/tabid/842/Default.aspx

ETA: I am assuming this is the right St Thomas Law School. There is at least one other, in Minnesota.

[Motomom]

I'm wondering if a judge has the power to dismiss Casey's counter claim against Zaneida. Hoping for some doc dumps this week, today would be good :smile: Doesn't look like GA is home yet or did I miss it? I checked the links thread already.

[gaelicpeas]

Interresting comments about St Thomas from Clarence D. Scroll down:

http://overlawyered.com/2008/05/thomas-bentey-v-st-thomas-university-law-school-update/

[KP1935]

Well now you've got me curious. What Law School DID he go to? Anyone know?

Maybe he bought his degrees online, like Scott Peterson? :w00t:

[gaelicpeas]

I should point out, in Baez' defense, that it takes many law school graduates a number of times to pass the bar.... I don't know the percentages, so JMO

[jammies]

Thanks to all who responded. He doesn't seem to have much going for him, does he? I think if I were in Casey's shoes, I'd want someone with a little,no ALOT, more experience behind him.

JMO



I don't think Casey has the first clue. He's her only conduit to the outside world, so what does she know?

In all her google searches back when she was figuring out ways to kill her baby, she forgot to check out high powered attorneys.

[Katt2]

I should point out, in Baez' defense, that it takes many law school graduates a number of times to pass the bar.... I don't know the percentages, so JMO

I have read that he passed it on the first try but it was 8 years before he took it after graduating.

ETA

“I was hired, paid in ‘97,” said Baez. “I began interning there my second year of law school.”And as a certified legal intern, Baez said he was allowed to try cases while paired with a lawyer, before passing the bar.”I was in trial every single chance we had… We won all of those cases that I said we won,” said Baez.Baez said he took and passed the bar exam on his first try. He said he took it eight years after leaving law school because he spent time with a private research company before taking the exam.

[Daffodil]

I don't think Casey has the first clue. He's her only conduit to the outside world, so what does she know?

In all her google searches back when she was figuring out ways to kill her baby, she forgot to check out high powered attorneys.

I agree that Casey doesn't have a clue. I think there is a possiblility that she knew him before all of this and that is why she trusts him so much.

I also think he is in the same mindset as the Anthony's US Vs. THEM. It's a game or a contest.

As bad as Casey is, she does deserve a fair trial.

[gaelicpeas]

I have read that he passed it on the first try but it was 8 years before he took it after graduating.

ETA

“I was hired, paid in ‘97,” said Baez. “I began interning there my second year of law school.”And as a certified legal intern, Baez said he was allowed to try cases while paired with a lawyer, before passing the bar.”I was in trial every single chance we had… We won all of those cases that I said we won,” said Baez.Baez said he took and passed the bar exam on his first try. He said he took it eight years after leaving law school because he spent time with a private research company before taking the exam.If true, that makes more sense, as 8 attempts is a lot! Here is one report from 2004 for Texas:

http://www.ble.state.tx.us/announcements/klein%20report%200606.doc

"Table 1 shows that 79.3% of the first timers passed on their first attempt and 92.2% passed after taking the exam as many as four times; i.e., a 13-percentage point increase. There were 412 applicants who took the exam at least two times and 294 of these repeaters (71%) passed. Most, but certainly not all, of the repeaters who passed did so on their second attempt."

[shellzbi]

I don't like Baez.

He is in way over his head in this case.

Not everyone can go to Top Tier Law Schools.

There are many solid attorneys that have not gone to Top Tier Law schools.

The law is the law. They all learn the same material. IMO.

[Kathlb]

I don't like Baez.

He is in way over his head in this case.

Not everyone can go to Top Tier Law Schools.

There are many solid attorneys that have not gone to Top Tier Law schools.

The law is the law. They all learn the same material. IMO.

I'm not putting down 4th. tier law schools at all, I agree, many good lawyers have attended them and are doing well. But... the school needs to have an up to date top notch cirriculum, good professors who know their stuff and who can teach and students who get the basic education and also strive to further that on their own to make sure they are prepared. All of which it doesn't look like St. Thomas has from reports I have read. I also seem to remember that Baez wasn't up on his follow-up required education at the beginning of the case and when it came to light, he had to hurry up and get his degree and studies up to date. Which I assume he did.

[8BellesFan]

Poor Baez...(not) between his client and her photos, her parents, sibling and lack of class while in court, he's got an uphill rutted road

[msgatorslayer]

I don't think Casey has the first clue. He's her only conduit to the outside world, so what does she know?

In all her google searches back when she was figuring out ways to kill her baby, she forgot to check out high powered attorneys.

G'morning!

I've wondered if the inmate/s who gave her Baez name thought of her as a baby killer right from the start and deliberately gave her a crack pot of an attorney name.

Lenny and all his men who were around her said you couldn't keep the gal quiet. She was always talking about a whole lot of nothing.

We know she was pizzed cause she got 'arrested on a friggin whim'. Can you imagine what she was saying to other female inmates about her situation and how they perceived her?

[jammies]

I agree that Casey doesn't have a clue. I think there is a possiblility that she knew him before all of this and that is why she trusts him so much.

I also think he is in the same mindset as the Anthony's US Vs. THEM. It's a game or a contest.

As bad as Casey is, she does deserve a fair trial.


Judging by his media whining, I think you nailed it.
You would think that the A's attorney, Conway, would be advising them to find better counsel for Casey. Not that Casey would pay any attention to her parents. We do know that George never liked Baez.

[margaritaville]

I think people will bend over backwards to make sure Casey gets a fair trial. Nobody wants to drag this out any longer than it has to be with appeals and motions and points of contention. My question is, did Caylee get a fair trial in Orlando?

Nothing in Caylee's whole life was fair.......Especially who she got as a Mother..........She never stood a chance.....Just like Baby Grace (Riley)
The horror these lil babies went through!! There final moments on earth being beaten by the people who are suppose to love, hug, and kiss them... I just can't wrap my head around it...... I just can't!!
So so so Sad!!! I can see why GA is where he is...If I were him I would need a padded room also...
Moo

[shellzbi]

I'm not putting down 4th. tier law schools at all, I agree, many good lawyers have attended them and are doing well. But... the school needs to have an up to date top notch cirriculum, good professors who know their stuff and who can teach and students who get the basic education and also strive to further that on their own to make sure they are prepared. All of which it doesn't look like St. Thomas has from reports I have read. I also seem to remember that Baez wasn't up on his follow-up required education at the beginning of the case and when it came to light, he had to hurry up and get his degree and studies up to date. Which I assume he did.

Hi Kathb, I understand what you are saying. Attorney Baez is a piece of work. I can't believe he still has this case.

He's not seasoned enough to try this case. He should stick with the DUI cases. IMO.

He should have farmed the case out to a more seasoned attorney and taken a fee at the end. IMO.

[jammies]

G'morning!

I've wondered if the inmate/s who gave her Baez name thought of her as a baby killer right from the start and deliberately gave her a crack pot of an attorney name.

Lenny and all his men who were around her said you couldn't keep the gal quiet. She was always talking about a whole lot of nothing.

We know she was pizzed cause she got 'arrested on a friggin whim'. Can you imagine what she was saying to other female inmates about her situation and how they perceived her?


They probably saw through her in a nano second. Looks like she grabbed her lawyer on a whim also!

[margaritaville]

I don't think Casey has the first clue. He's her only conduit to the outside world, so what does she know?

In all her google searches back when she was figuring out ways to kill her baby, she forgot to check out high powered attorneys.


I honestly think she thought she wouldn't need one..
Who waasn't going to believe her Nanny story? Look at how many
lies up to that point she had got away with!! I am sure she thought everyone would believe her.. I mean they always did in the past right?!!

[8BellesFan]

Orange County Clerk's list of cases handled by Jose Baez.

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/CriminalSelect.aspx?SessionID=a196c012-b92c-4666-8d2b-cb7ef6fdb10f

[shelbar53]

Todd Black/Gil Cabot mug shot
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/casey-anthony-update-02-february-2009/

[Kathlb]

I actually learned of the New York connection with the real Zaneida's license plates last night on Nancy Grace. I hadn't heard that one before. That doesn't look good for Casey either... the fact that she included that and it's all connected to Zaneida and that day at Sawgrass she evidently saw her and got her info. I'd say that after learning that, Zaneida does have a case after all.

[jammies]

Nothing in Caylee's whole life was fair.......Especially who she got as a Mother..........She never stood a chance.....Just like Baby Grace (Riley)
The horror these lil babies went through!! There final moments on earth being beaten by the people who are suppose to love, hug, and kiss them... I just can't wrap my head around it...... I just can't!!
So so so Sad!!! I can see why GA is where he is...If I were him I would need a padded room also...
Moo


All these unwed mothers keeping their babies like they are some sort of trophy drives me nuts. My daughter used to come home from HS and tell me about some girls that were TRYING to get pregnant. It was the cool thing to be a teenager with a baby. Plus, her HS had a daycare for their kids. Now, the teachers weren't allowed to put their children in the daycare until they were potty trained. Just crazy stuff.

I used to volunteer in the office and I can't tell you how many times LE and CPS were called by the daycare staff. Once they called up to the office and had ME call LE. A baby was found to have cigarette burns. I remember sobbing all the way home.

We always say "why don't they give their children up for adoption??" They have these kids ON PURPOSE!!! Who knows what Casey's mindset was at the time. For all we know, she wanted a baby and made darn sure she didn't take any precautions. (I take with a grain of salt the "Cindy wouldn't let her give up the baby")

[jammies]

I actually learned of the New York connection with the real Zaneida's license plates last night on Nancy Grace. I hadn't heard that one before. That doesn't look good for Casey either... the fact that she included that and it's all connected to Zaneida and that day at Sawgrass she evidently saw her and got her info. I'd say that after learning that, Zaneida does have a case after all.



Glad I wasn't the only one who didn't know this! Was that "new" news or did we just miss it?

[Kathlb]

Glad I wasn't the only one who didn't know this! Was that "new" news or did we just miss it?

I don't know :-) but I sure missed it if it was out there before. Not saying that I couldn't have missed it, there is sooo much out there to keep track of. :biggrin:

[trich]

Jonathan Kasen is the attorney of record for in the civil case. jmo

Does this Kasen guy work for Baez?
Can't imagine where the money for all this is coming from.
If I had to hire a lawyer today I would have to hock something...
I don't for a second think Baez or these other "experts"( I use the term losely) are doing all this for nothiing.
I guess it really is none of our business who and how they get paid but
ya have to wonder.:shrug:

[Kathlb]

Does this Kasen guy work for Baez?
Can't imagine where the money for all this is coming from.
If I had to hire a lawyer today I would have to hock something...
I don't for a second think Baez or these other "experts"( I use the term losely) are doing all this for nothiing.
I guess it really is none of our business who and how they get paid but
ya have to wonder.:shrug:


At today's prices, I don't know that I have anything to hock that would cover it. :biggrin: Guess I'd be sittin' in the Big House eatin' grits.

[jammies]

I honestly think she thought she wouldn't need one..
Who waasn't going to believe her Nanny story? Look at how many
lies up to that point she had got away with!! I am sure she thought everyone would believe her.. I mean they always did in the past right?!!


Oh yeah! To this day I think she still believes people will buy her stories. She doesn't look the least bit concerned. her own parents have said they still support her. In her world, that's all that matters. Like you said, they let her get away with everything in the past and here they are, once again, coddling her. It's all she knows.

[jammies]

Zenaida's attorney told Nancy that last night

That info was truly a BOMBSHELL!

[8BellesFan]

Does this Kasen guy work for Baez?
Can't imagine where the money for all this is coming from.
If I had to hire a lawyer today I would have to hock something...
I don't for a second think Baez or these other "experts"( I use the term losely) are doing all this for nothiing.
I guess it really is none of our business who and how they get paid but
ya have to wonder.:shrug:


http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/33315-fl-jonathan-kasen-1249218.html

[msgatorslayer]

All these unwed mothers keeping their babies like they are some sort of trophy drives me nuts. My daughter used to come home from HS and tell me about some girls that were TRYING to get pregnant. It was the cool thing to be a teenager with a baby. Plus, her HS had a daycare for their kids. Now, the teachers weren't allowed to put their children in the daycare until they were potty trained. Just crazy stuff.

I used to volunteer in the office and I can't tell you how many times LE and CPS were called by the daycare staff. Once they called up to the office and had ME call LE. A baby was found to have cigarette burns. I remember sobbing all the way home.

We always say "why don't they give their children up for adoption??" They have these kids ON PURPOSE!!! Who knows what Casey's mindset was at the time. For all we know, she wanted a baby and made darn sure she didn't take any precautions. (I take with a grain of salt the "Cindy wouldn't let her give up the baby")

Your first sentence about babies as a trophy reminds me of that pic which NG has recently shown where Casey has sunglasses on. And a lil Caylee, who looks like she is weeks old, also has a pair, laying in her baby carrier.

We've seen lots of pics of Caylee dressed up with the sunglasses, but THAT pic is viewed, by me, as Casey thinking she was playing house with a baby doll.

[*MoonRider*]

G'morning!

I've wondered if the inmate/s who gave her Baez name thought of her as a baby killer right from the start and deliberately gave her a crack pot of an attorney name.

Lenny and all his men who were around her said you couldn't keep the gal quiet. She was always talking about a whole lot of nothing.

We know she was pizzed cause she got 'arrested on a friggin whim'. Can you imagine what she was saying to other female inmates about her situation and how they perceived her?

It has always bothered me that she got Jose's name from an inmate. Baez has only been an attorney for 3 years so how did his name even come up? He has only tried a few cases hmm unless he solicited her and Casey is lying again. IMO

[mdibella]

Last night's Nancy Grace show had some really interesting stuff!

David Horowitz was on, he's looking better these days, poor man. Did I understand Nancy to say that he's currently going to medical school??? Is he planning on some sort of legal-connected medicine, or is he changing careers entirely? I'd love to know.

Anyhow, he said something I thought was really interesting...that the best result for Casey at this point would be achieved by confessing to having killed Caylee in some manner that would NOT be considered first degree murder, but instead could be some sort of manslaughter. That would presumably result in a relatively short sentence.

Nancy didn't pursue this line of thought, and I really wish she had. Is there any way to describe a manslaughter death that will account for the duct tape???

We know that Casey had a big fight with her mother and left the house carrying Caylee. This was at midnight, so presumably Caylee had to be awakened either by hearing the fight or by being taken from her bed and carried out the door. She would have been an unhappy baby either way, crying, maybe whining a bit. Casey, already seeing red over the fight, puts duct tape over Caylee's mouth to shut her up, and then gets out of the car to call Tony and ask if she can crash at his place. What she doesn't realize is, Caylee's nose is stuffy from crying and now she can't breathe. In a few minutes, she suffocates.

OK, so what is this? (Legally I mean, not morally). Is this murder, manslaughter, or depraved indifference homicide? I'm setting aside Casey's actions afterwards, just for the sake of argument. Hiding the body was stupid and going partying for the next month was despicable. But neither of those proves murder, just that Casey is a cold-hearted b*tch.

If the defense claims that the truth is something this simple (albeit tragic), it will be hard for the prosecutor to prove otherwise given that Caylee's body now consists of bones that show no trauma.

[kitty1182]

Todd Black/Gil Cabot mug shot
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/casey-anthony-update-02-february-2009/

He looks like a real winner...:closedeyes:


(I see the boards will shut down at 10 today, guess I will have to clean the house):ohmy:

[jammies]

This was me when i heard it -----> :ohmy:



Me too! I was half listening and yelled to hubby: "DID YOU HEAR THAT????"

[commonguymd]

Last night's Nancy Grace show had some really interesting stuff!

David Horowitz was on, he's looking better these days, poor man. Did I understand Nancy to say that he's currently going to medical school??? Is he planning on some sort of legal-connected medicine, or is he changing careers entirely? I'd love to know.

Anyhow, he said something I thought was really interesting...that the best result for Casey at this point would be achieved by confessing to having killed Caylee in some manner that would NOT be considered first degree murder, but instead could be some sort of manslaughter. That would presumably result in a relatively short sentence.

Nancy didn't pursue this line of thought, and I really wish she had. Is there any way to describe a manslaughter death that will account for the duct tape???

We know that Casey had a big fight with her mother and left the house carrying Caylee. This was at midnight, so presumably Caylee had to be awakened either by hearing the fight or by being taken from her bed and carried out the door. She would have been an unhappy baby either way, crying, maybe whining a bit. Casey, already seeing red over the fight, puts duct tape over Caylee's mouth to shut her up, and then gets out of the car to call Tony and ask if she can crash at his place. What she doesn't realize is, Caylee's nose is stuffy from crying and now she can't breathe. In a few minutes, she suffocates.

OK, so what is this? (Legally I mean, not morally). Is this murder, manslaughter, or depraved indifference homicide? I'm setting aside Casey's actions afterwards, just for the sake of argument. Hiding the body was stupid and going partying for the next month was despicable. But neither of those proves murder, just that Casey is a cold-hearted b*tch.

If the defense claims that the truth is something this simple (albeit tragic), it will be hard for the prosecutor to prove otherwise given that Caylee's body now consists of bones that show no trauma.



With Gil Cabot involved, and now Patrick Mckenna involved there is no way she admits to anything. Storybrokers and watsup productions are getting these high priced folks involved for the story of the decade and the money involved is all that matters. Casey getting convicted won't matter but they intend to win and rival the OJ in sensationalism. Gil Cabot likely owns this whole affair along with big money folks in the background willing to sell souls for money.

[8BellesFan]

Last night's Nancy Grace show had some really interesting stuff!

David Horowitz was on, he's looking better these days, poor man. Did I understand Nancy to say that he's currently going to medical school??? Is he planning on some sort of legal-connected medicine, or is he changing careers entirely? I'd love to know.

Anyhow, he said something I thought was really interesting...that the best result for Casey at this point would be achieved by confessing to having killed Caylee in some manner that would NOT be considered first degree murder, but instead could be some sort of manslaughter. That would presumably result in a relatively short sentence.

Nancy didn't pursue this line of thought, and I really wish she had. Is there any way to describe a manslaughter death that will account for the duct tape???

We know that Casey had a big fight with her mother and left the house carrying Caylee. This was at midnight, so presumably Caylee had to be awakened either by hearing the fight or by being taken from her bed and carried out the door. She would have been an unhappy baby either way, crying, maybe whining a bit. Casey, already seeing red over the fight, puts duct tape over Caylee's mouth to shut her up, and then gets out of the car to call Tony and ask if she can crash at his place. What she doesn't realize is, Caylee's nose is stuffy from crying and now she can't breathe. In a few minutes, she suffocates.

OK, so what is this? (Legally I mean, not morally). Is this murder, manslaughter, or depraved indifference homicide? I'm setting aside Casey's actions afterwards, just for the sake of argument. Hiding the body was stupid and going partying for the next month was despicable. But neither of those proves murder, just that Casey is a cold-hearted b*tch.

If the defense claims that the truth is something this simple (albeit tragic), it will be hard for the prosecutor to prove otherwise given that Caylee's body now consists of bones that show no trauma.


gulp....I'm no lawyer but I would hope that it would then be considered felony assault on a child resulting in death. Would that not carry a more severe punishment than manslaughter?

[Regina.Lampert]

I wonder if Lee, George and Cindy wil be deposed anyway even if Casey pleads the 5th. Maybe they'll all plead the 5th. :huh:

===

Lee Anthony's deposition is scheduled for February 27th. His parents Cindy and George Anthony are scheduled for depositions on February 26th.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8338910&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Morning n/t and everyone!! I'm sure george's psychiatic treatment in the hospital will prevent his deposition for awhile.....

Maybe cynthia can dream up some excuse not to give hers......

Don't forget everyone, we're going down for maintenence at 10:00 a.m. till 12 noon this morning, don't want anyone's heart to stop if they can't post.......... :eek:

[mdibella]

gulp....I'm no lawyer but I would hope that it would then be considered felony assault on a child resulting in death. Would that not carry a more severe punishment than manslaughter?


I am no lawyer either, which is why I wish Nancy had pursued the line further. I hate it when they throw something out like that and then don't bother to explain it so that non-lawyers can understand what the heck they just said!

[jammies]

He looks like a real winner...:closedeyes:


(I see the boards will shut down at 10 today, guess I will have to clean the house):ohmy:


Watch, there will be a doc dump at 10:01 am!

I won't be here from Thurs. til Mon. so you can bet your boots that something BIG will happen! Taking laptop just in case.......

(Navy graduation! Great Lakes or BUST!~~~~ whoo hoo!)

[WillowInFlight]

Oh yeah! To this day I think she still believes people will buy her stories. She doesn't look the least bit concerned. her own parents have said they still support her. In her world, that's all that matters. Like you said, they let her get away with everything in the past and here they are, once again, coddling her. It's all she knows.

I don't think that even matters, I really don't think that Casey cares what her parents think anymore. I think in her mind she has set her self apart from them. I think that if Cindy and George ever admit the truth, it will be after Casey is convicted.

[jammies]

I don't think that even matters, I really don't think that Casey cares what her parents think anymore. I think in her mind she has set her self apart from them. I think that if Cindy and George ever admit the truth, it will be after Casey is convicted.


I think she BELIEVES they bought her story. That's good enough for her. tralatrala.....

[need2no]

After the recent hearing I started looking for some info about body language in regard to rubbing hands, as casey did several times. Since it's slow today I thought I'd share what I found:


Rubbing
Rubbing the hands together can mean that the person is cold. It also means the person is feeling particularly gleeful about something. This can be a shared benefit and be used in a conspiratorial way.
When they do this less obviously and more slowly, they might be thinking that they are going to benefit at the expense of someone else. Watch also for small smiles and defocused eyes as they imagine a rosy future (at least for them).

http://changingminds.org/techniques/body/parts_body_language/hands_body_language.htm


Hand gestures

Hand movements can be equally informative, for example the rubbing of hands together can be an indication that the person has positive expectations. Brisk rubbing suggests an open attitude to what is being said, whereas the slow rubbing of hands can mean that the individual expects to be the recipient of good news.

http://www.psu.uk.com/news/feb06/body_language.htm

[aubrey04]

They probably saw through her in a nano second. Looks like she grabbed her lawyer on a whim also!

LOL.. That line of Casey's still makes me laugh.. she said she got arrested on a whim. Like the cops just decided to arrest her that day for absolutely no reason at all - even though her daughter was missing for 31 days and everything she told them that day about her missing daughter was a straight up lie.

I must say -- Baez hit the jackpot when one of his current clients hooked him up with Casey. Who needs to ambulance chase when you can get your jailed clients to recommend you to other jailed clients?

Regardless, Casey has Linda Kenney-Baden on her team. There is no way she can claim she has ineffective counsel later on down the line.

[jammies]

This is what I think of when she rubs her hands:

Lady Macbeth:
Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!—One; two: why, then
'tis time to do't.—Hell is murky.—Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier, and
afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our
pow'r to accompt?—Yet who would have thought the old man to
have had so much blood in him?


Macbeth Act 5, scene 1, 26–40

[margaritaville]

All these unwed mothers keeping their babies like they are some sort of trophy drives me nuts. My daughter used to come home from HS and tell me about some girls that were TRYING to get pregnant. It was the cool thing to be a teenager with a baby. Plus, her HS had a daycare for their kids. Now, the teachers weren't allowed to put their children in the daycare until they were potty trained. Just crazy stuff.

I used to volunteer in the office and I can't tell you how many times LE and CPS were called by the daycare staff. Once they called up to the office and had ME call LE. A baby was found to have cigarette burns. I remember sobbing all the way home.

We always say "why don't they give their children up for adoption??" They have these kids ON PURPOSE!!! Who knows what Casey's mindset was at the time. For all we know, she wanted a baby and made darn sure she didn't take any precautions. (I take with a grain of salt the "Cindy wouldn't let her give up the baby")


You are so right.. In most of these cases where mental issues are not the case I think it is young Mothers.
I had a couple of friends that had children in HS and both of them kept them. I can say they had very tough lives for awhile and both took very different paths. One took the welfare checks and had 3 more children (all different dads) the other put herself through school and to this day has a great job and a nice family.
But I can say this.....Neither of them beat, burned, or threw their kids around. I don't get where or how that enters their minds as an ok thing to do!!
I read more of the details on the Baby Grace trial today, her Mother was convicted of 1st degree murder..The details are horrifying what she did to this two year old.....And to think it probably wasn't any different for lil Caylee... I cried (I'm still crying).

The one thing I really really pray for is they bring back the Death penalty on Casey.........Maybe if she in convicted and put to death it will show someone else that there are consequences to brutally murdering your child.....

MOO

[marshmallow]

LOL.. That line of Casey's still makes me laugh.. she said she got arrested on a whim. Like the cops just decided to arrest her that day for absolutely no reason at all - even though her daughter was missing for 31 days and everything she told them that day about her missing daughter was a straight up lie.

I must say -- Baez hit the jackpot when one of his current clients hooked him up with Casey. Who needs to ambulance chase when you can get your jailed clients to recommend you to other jailed clients?

Regardless, Casey has Linda Kenney-Baden on her team. There is no way she can claim she has ineffective counsel later on down the line.



the defense seems to be hiring names for the sake of having big names. I think they should do less hiring and more case work.

[margaritaville]

I actually learned of the New York connection with the real Zaneida's license plates last night on Nancy Grace. I hadn't heard that one before. That doesn't look good for Casey either... the fact that she included that and it's all connected to Zaneida and that day at Sawgrass she evidently saw her and got her info. I'd say that after learning that, Zaneida does have a case after all.


How did Casey know so much information about this woman she never met? Did one of her "cop" boyfriends run the name through the database and giveer her all this info? Is that why her x- was fired??

[trich]

I honestly think she thought she wouldn't need one..
Who waasn't going to believe her Nanny story? Look at how many
lies up to that point she had got away with!! I am sure she thought everyone would believe her.. I mean they always did in the past right?!!

I honestly believe Casey thinks (or thought) for the moment , never even considering what would happen after she did whatever she did.
Many people IMO do not even consider that every action has a reaction.
They just want what they want without any concern for the consequences of their actions.
Like not seeing past the nose on your face.
Again IMO this kind of behavior has finally caught up to her.

[desmom]

I don't think Casey has the first clue. He's her only conduit to the outside world, so what does she know?

In all her google searches back when she was figuring out ways to kill her baby, she forgot to check out high powered attorneys.

I agree! I think this is also why Judge Strickland wants her to attend the motion hearings.

[nc1948]

Nothing in Caylee's whole life was fair.......Especially who she got as a Mother..........She never stood a chance.....Just like Baby Grace (Riley)
The horror these lil babies went through!! There final moments on earth being beaten by the people who are suppose to love, hug, and kiss them... I just can't wrap my head around it...... I just can't!!
So so so Sad!!! I can see why GA is where he is...If I were him I would need a padded room also...
Moo

ITA, George was used to being alone when Cindy was at work. QUIET!
Now he is locked in the house with her. I imagine her going on and on and on fine tuning her story blaming Amy, Zaneida, everyone and anyone..Also always going after LE, Tim, anyone that has wronged the house of Anthony. I cannot see her ever having any down time not discussing this. George needed some quiet time. I think that is why he has not returned home. He knows he failed his grandaughter by not protecting her, he knows he has failed his grandaughter by not telling the truth, he cannot handle Cindy continuing to blame everyone by Casey.

(I have also had thoughts that this is a ploy to have his GJ testimony impeached as he was mentally unstable when he gave it)

With the Anthonys, one day I think one thing and then I change my mind. Do hope the trial answers a lot of these questions altho I know a lot of questions will never be answered. But I do believe Casey will be convicted and I can live without answers if she is in prison the rest of her life.

[8BellesFan]

LOL.. That line of Casey's still makes me laugh.. she said she got arrested on a whim. Like the cops just decided to arrest her that day for absolutely no reason at all - even though her daughter was missing for 31 days and everything she told them that day about her missing daughter was a straight up lie.

I must say -- Baez hit the jackpot when one of his current clients hooked him up with Casey. Who needs to ambulance chase when you can get your jailed clients to recommend you to other jailed clients?

Regardless, Casey has Linda Kenney-Baden on her team. There is no way she can claim she has ineffective counsel later on down the line.

true, but LKB better start listening to her hubby talk of duct tape etc when he is on tv....:thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

How did Casey know so much information about this woman she never met? Did one of her "cop" boyfriends run the name through the database and giveer her all this info? Is that why her x- was fired??

I don't know but now you have me thinking. I have to go and check the witness list of the State's and see if his name is on there.

[Ladyhawk]

Glad I wasn't the only one who didn't know this! Was that "new" news or did we just miss it?

Early on Casey was telling someone (I can't remember who) that Z had lived in New York and also had a North Carolina connection, as well as PR....I remember her saying they haven't looked at the databases in New York. Maybe it was Cindy repeating what Casey told her....my brain is not in gear this early in the morning.

[Kathlb]

Early on Casey was telling someone (I can't remember who) that Z had lived in New York and also had a North Carolina connection, as well as PR....I remember her saying they haven't looked at the databases in New York. Maybe it was Cindy repeating what Casey told her....my brain is not in gear this early in the morning.

I remember that too, but I had no idea that Zaneida's license plates were from New York. (the real Zaneida, that is)

[8BellesFan]

Early on Casey was telling someone (I can't remember who) that Z had lived in New York and also had a North Carolina connection, as well as PR....I remember her saying they haven't looked at the databases in New York. Maybe it was Cindy repeating what Casey told her....my brain is not in gear this early in the morning.

did she say it to Lee? I can't remember. I feel like she did say it herself.

[need2no]

I remember that too, but I had no idea that Zaneida's license plates were from New York. (the real Zaneida, that is)

I'm curious why she had NY plates....

[aubrey04]

the defense seems to be hiring names for the sake of having big names. I think they should do less hiring and more case work.

They're all in it for the fame, imo. Not Casey Anthony.. but for the publicity. Why else would some of these people sign on to the case? Casey doesn't have any money to pay them. jmo.

[shelkobe]

In this 2006 article about Baez's law school, it says it accepts students with lower LSAT scores than most other schools, and also has a very low bar-passage percentage.
The law school, which opened 22 years ago, makes a point of taking in students with lower LSAT entrance exams than other schools, under the belief that the scores are not the best predictor of future success.
Only 11 of 31 students [from St. Thomas] who took the exam in February passed on their first try -- a 35.5 percent passing rate.

Because most students take the test in July after graduation, the results from the February test were a limited and generally weaker sample. Still, the average passing rate [for all schools] in the state for February was 73.2 percent

http://www.redorbit.com/news/education/534746/bar_exam_tests_his_resolve_st_thomas_university_la nded_bob/index.html

[witchywoman]

yes i noticed the heart tattoo, another odd coincidence. but since Casey has gone on record that her ZG has no tattoos and that this is not the correct ZG, Baez can't use it.

good they cant use it,,,whooo hooo,mo

I was kinda wondering about that, eh?

[shelkobe]

I'm curious why she had NY plates....

She probably moved from there and just never changed them. Tony Lazzaro also has NY plates.

[Patty437]

Baez wants us to believe that the Zenaidi Casey is referring to is not this Zenaida... wow what a coincidence :lol:... good luck with that Baez!

So i guess it's just a coincidence that...

Caseys Zenaida lived at Saw Grass apts and this Zenaida looked at an apt there

Zenaida's car has New York license plates and Casey told LE that her Zenaida was from New York

I'm sure there's more but i can't think of them right now.

Baez needs to wake-up and smell the roses!

has it been proven that zenaida's name is indeed "fernandez-gonzalez"?

[Kathlb]

Well guess what? Anthony Rusciano is on the State's witness list. :biggrin:

[need2no]

did she say it to Lee? I can't remember. I feel like she did say it herself.

No time to research now for a link with the board about to go down but I recall Cindy spouting off about all the possible places to look for ZFG that casey had tried to inform LE but they wouldn't listen.

[Daffodil]

It has always bothered me that she got Jose's name from an inmate. Baez has only been an attorney for 3 years so how did his name even come up? He has only tried a few cases hmm unless he solicited her and Casey is lying again. IMO

I wouldn't be surprised if JB paid referral fees to anyone who referred a case to him. Maybe even people who work in the jail???? I would hate to think that is true. I would think that might be illegal and/or unethical. But a possibility.

[aubrey04]

I remember that too, but I had no idea that Zaneida's license plates were from New York. (the real Zaneida, that is)

Yeah, that is really weird. It makes me believe Casey did see Zenaida at Sawgrass apartments on the 17th, but still.. what a strange coincidence that Casey had been using the name "Zanny" for her fictitious nanny name.

Also, she told Ricardo that Zanny stood for "Zenita" - the entire connection is bizarre.. I hadn't heard that ZG had NY plates until her lawyer mentioned it on NG last night. Boy, did that throw me for a loop!

[marshmallow]

see you all in a bit!

[jammies]

LOL.. That line of Casey's still makes me laugh.. she said she got arrested on a whim. Like the cops just decided to arrest her that day for absolutely no reason at all - even though her daughter was missing for 31 days and everything she told them that day about her missing daughter was a straight up lie.

I must say -- Baez hit the jackpot when one of his current clients hooked him up with Casey. Who needs to ambulance chase when you can get your jailed clients to recommend you to other jailed clients?

Regardless, Casey has Linda Kenney-Baden on her team. There is no way she can claim she has ineffective counsel later on down the line.


In her jail cell, her lonely jail cell
The princess sleeps tonight...
'whim' oh way a 'whim' oh way......

:w00t:

[need2no]

She probably moved from there and just never changed them. Tony Lazzaro also has NY plates.

Not that it matters...but isn't there a time limit before you are required by law to get plates for the state you are currently residing in?

[nc1948]

Oh yeah! To this day I think she still believes people will buy her stories. She doesn't look the least bit concerned. her own parents have said they still support her. In her world, that's all that matters. Like you said, they let her get away with everything in the past and here they are, once again, coddling her. It's all she knows.


Her demeanor at the last hearing was an eye opener for me. (I could not care less about her attire-that is on the outside and says Nothing to be about her) She was laughing. She was smiling and actually grinning. i' thought she was so totally inappropriate for a women who is facing life and possible DP. But even more than that I was appalled that they were discussing the death of her child and she shows no sorrow, grief, tears, no emotions what so ever except joy. Even murdurers (most) that kill strangers when they are brought into court look somber, concerned, head hanging down. Maybe not for the victim but at least for themselves. She looked like she was going to a party and she was the guest of honor. SICK

[aubrey04]

Someone posted a link yesterday to a news story stating we will get a new doc drop this week.. I am waiting patiently for it to come. Okay, maybe not so patiently...:tongueside:

I wonder when it will happen..

[cady]

my guess is that Casey got his Baez's name from someone because of the Nilton Diaz case which had been in news in Orlando for months.

[jammies]

Early on Casey was telling someone (I can't remember who) that Z had lived in New York and also had a North Carolina connection, as well as PR....I remember her saying they haven't looked at the databases in New York. Maybe it was Cindy repeating what Casey told her....my brain is not in gear this early in the morning.

Yes, NY was one of the places she mentioned. Well now we know where she got that info.

[destiny1]

In this 2006 article about Baez's law school, it says it accepts students with lower LSAT scores than most other schools, and also has a very low bar-passage percentage.


http://www.redorbit.com/news/education/534746/bar_exam_tests_his_resolve_st_thomas_university_la nded_bob/index.html

Sometimes low-scoring students actually are functional. Baez seems to have learned a little about being a gutter lawyer and a lot about muggung for the cameras. Other than those two assets, he seems to be a huge hub of unfocused knowledge.

[need2no]

Yeah, that is really weird. It makes me believe Casey did see Zenaida at Sawgrass apartments on the 17th, but still.. what a strange coincidence that Casey had been using the name "Zanny" for her fictitious nanny name.

Also, she told Ricardo that Zanny stood for "Zenita" - the entire connection is bizarre.. I hadn't heard that ZG had NY plates until her lawyer mentioned it on NG last night. Boy, did that throw me for a loop!

Board is about to shut down...I'm going to post some stuff I remembered this morning about the SawGrss connection when the board comes back up....HOPEFULLY by noon.

[need2no]

I am not sure about registering the car here but I know that it is 10 days to change your license to the current information.

Thanks I'll check on the law why the board is down...just curious and all. :biggrin:

[margaritaville]

Yeah, that is really weird. It makes me believe Casey did see Zenaida at Sawgrass apartments on the 17th, but still.. what a strange coincidence that Casey had been using the name "Zanny" for her fictitious nanny name.

Also, she told Ricardo that Zanny stood for "Zenita" - the entire connection is bizarre.. I hadn't heard that ZG had NY plates until her lawyer mentioned it on NG last night. Boy, did that throw me for a loop!


I remember someone saying that Casey had a book or something with a "zanny" the nanny in it....

That could explain the zanny nanny thing........
And then when she was putting her plan together and saw the card filled out by zenita..poof she had her alibi......
But now did she have help from her Ex-cop boyfriend to get more info on Zenita??

I still wonder why exactly he was fired......I bet he was running the name Zenita through the database for Casey....

I can't wait for this trial!!

MOO

[destiny1]

I am not sure about registering the car here but I know that it is 10 days to change your license to the current information.

As long as you are a primary resident of another state and are using another as a secondary residence, there is no need to reregister a vehicle.

[cady]

Thanks I'll check on the law why the board is down...just curious and all. :biggrin:


It's actually 30 days for both

[jammies]

Her demeanor at the last hearing was an eye opener for me. (I could not care less about her attire-that is on the outside and says Nothing to be about her) She was laughing. She was smiling and actually grinning. i' thought she was so totally inappropriate for a women who is facing life and possible DP. But even more than that I was appalled that they were discussing the death of her child and she shows no sorrow, grief, tears, no emotions what so ever except joy. Even murdurers (most) that kill strangers when they are brought into court look somber, concerned, head hanging down. Maybe not for the victim but at least for themselves. She looked like she was going to a party and she was the guest of honor. SICK



Yep. She taints her own jury.

I don't care what her parents say to the public, her demeanor speaks LOUDLY and must just make them ill. There is NO WAY I could stand behind my daughter if she acted like Casey.

Even if you BELIEVED there is no way she was responsible for Caylee's death, her attitude would hang her.

[need2no]

It's actually 30 days for both

TY, that makes more sense.

[Daffodil]

Last night's Nancy Grace show had some really interesting stuff!

David Horowitz was on, he's looking better these days, poor man. Did I understand Nancy to say that he's currently going to medical school??? Is he planning on some sort of legal-connected medicine, or is he changing careers entirely? I'd love to know.

Anyhow, he said something I thought was really interesting...that the best result for Casey at this point would be achieved by confessing to having killed Caylee in some manner that would NOT be considered first degree murder, but instead could be some sort of manslaughter. That would presumably result in a relatively short sentence.

Nancy didn't pursue this line of thought, and I really wish she had. Is there any way to describe a manslaughter death that will account for the duct tape???

We know that Casey had a big fight with her mother and left the house carrying Caylee. This was at midnight, so presumably Caylee had to be awakened either by hearing the fight or by being taken from her bed and carried out the door. She would have been an unhappy baby either way, crying, maybe whining a bit. Casey, already seeing red over the fight, puts duct tape over Caylee's mouth to shut her up, and then gets out of the car to call Tony and ask if she can crash at his place. What she doesn't realize is, Caylee's nose is stuffy from crying and now she can't breathe. In a few minutes, she suffocates.

OK, so what is this? (Legally I mean, not morally). Is this murder, manslaughter, or depraved indifference homicide? I'm setting aside Casey's actions afterwards, just for the sake of argument. Hiding the body was stupid and going partying for the next month was despicable. But neither of those proves murder, just that Casey is a cold-hearted b*tch.

If the defense claims that the truth is something this simple (albeit tragic), it will be hard for the prosecutor to prove otherwise given that Caylee's body now consists of bones that show no trauma.

Let's say this is the case. (We really don't know that Casey left the house carrying Caylee. The last thing we really know for sure was that Caylee and Cindy were at the nursing home. We also know there was a big fight that same day that neighbors heard. But we don't know what time that was.) Why wouldn't JB taken a deal offered by the prosecution? That way it would be a done deal rather than taking a chance on a jury trial. The deal would be 100% for what charge they agreed to. Who knows what would happen at trial. The thing that gets me is that they are playing games (Casey, JB and his team, the A's) and costing taxpayers probably millions!!!!!!!

That being said, I also believe in everyone's right to a fair trial and having their day in court. But this has just been to crazy!!!

[destiny1]

I agree that Casey doesn't have a clue. I think there is a possiblility that she knew him before all of this and that is why she trusts him so much.

I also think he is in the same mindset as the Anthony's US Vs. THEM. It's a game or a contest.

As bad as Casey is, she does deserve a fair trial.

I believe that Casey and Baez could have crossed paths during her bar hopping, and he seems like the type that would go to such places if he thought he could get away without being outed.

[need2no]

If ZG's primary residence is in NY maybe she should go back there to try and seek employment since she claims she can't get a job in FL.....

[need2no]

I believe that Casey and Baez could have crossed paths during her bar hopping, and he seems like the type that would go to such places if he thought he could get away without being outed.

I feel certain there is more to the Baez/Anthony hook up than some inmates recommending him...I've never believed that story for a second.

[Kathlb]

In her jail cell, her lonely jail cell
The princess sleeps tonight...
'whim' oh way a 'whim' oh way......

:w00t:

:biggrin::thumbsup: Very good!

[cady]

I feel certain there is more to the Baez/Anthony hook up than some inmates recommending him...I've never believed that story for a second.

I think it's possible that someone mentioned his name to her because of the Diaz case but I also think it's more likely that he initiated contact with her.

[KKKKKKatie]

Todd Black/Gil Cabot mug shot
http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2009/02/02/casey-anthony-update-02-february-2009/


So much for (paraphrased) Black is a shortened version of my last name :rolleyes:

[need2no]

I think it's possible that someone mentioned his name to her because of the Diaz case but I also think it's more likely that he initiated contact with her.

If they actually hooked up as a result of inmates talking about Baez, or recommending him....what a stroke of luck for Baez!

[trich]

I remember that too, but I had no idea that Zaneida's license plates were from New York. (the real Zaneida, that is)

I was not aware of that either.
But I still think with Casey's connections to Sawgrass(didn't Annie or some other friend live there)she was privy to all the information on that
card that Zenaida filled out.
But of course she could not ID the picture of the real Zenaida.....she never actually saw her (IMO) so she didn't know who was the person the LE was showing her.
They could have been showing her a picture of someone's wife for crying out loud.
Again she did not fully think this "story" out.

[Ladyhawk]

I feel certain there is more to the Baez/Anthony hook up than some inmates recommending him...I've never believed that story for a second.

Here I go thinking again.....I thought that there was a connection between one of Baez's students and Full Sail, the school TL was attending and that Casey could have met this student at Fusion and thus the hookup with JB. MOO though.

[need2no]

Here I go thinking again.....I thought that there was a connection between one of Baez's students and Full Sail, the school TL was attending and that Casey could have met this student at Fusion and thus the hookup with JB. MOO though.

I don't know...first I've heard of that, but it's interesting if true.

[destiny1]

Is it this link? It was posted by CuC on the links thread.

Former FBI Agent Reveals True Identity Of "Todd Black"
http://www.wftv.com/news/18623676/detail.html

Mr Baez and Miss Anthony sure do have some respectable people supporting them, don't they?

[desmom]

I remember that too, but I had no idea that Zaneida's license plates were from New York. (the real Zaneida, that is)

Wasn't it reported that ZG was driving her father's car because her car had been damaged in an accident?

[bballgrl]

Many of the TH were shocked by the counter claim pointing out it would put Casey in a bad position. Some of JB's other actions also have the TH shaking their heads wondering what the heck is JB thinking.

If Casey's legal team continues with these Rut-Roh moments, I can see this case going to an appeals court. Can a judge, the bar association or some legal board step in before trial and remove JB for his ineptness? :shrug:

I know... in the first post... I read the article and it said that the corrections facility has to sit down with Baez and go over the "rules". He has again violated the rules by giving Casey a bracelt... duh. He really is a MORON!

[need2no]

Wasn't it reported that ZG was driving her father's car because her car had been damaged in an accident?

Was this from casey regarding her ZFG?

[Pruddennce]

I feel certain there is more to the Baez/Anthony hook up than some inmates recommending him...I've never believed that story for a second.

and...when was she supposedly in the company of other inmates?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[need2no]

I know... in the first post... I read the article and it said that the corrections facility has to sit down with Baez and go over the "rules". He has again violated the rules by giving Casey a bracelt... duh. He really is a MORON!

Crazy like a fox...it got him more media attention, just as he expected and hoped for.

[need2no]

and...when was she supposedly in the company of other inmates?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I had the same question Pru.

Also I'm not sure casey would even think about hiring someone to represent her...wouldn't she expect mom and dad to handle this for her?

[really3997]

so we are not closed down for maintenance

[destiny1]

"When you move to Florida and become a resident you have 10 days to register your out of state vehicle. You are considered a Florida resident when you place your children in public schools, become employed, or otherwise establish Florida residency."

Florida Goverment law website- I don't know the ages of her 6 children or whether they are here in Florida schools. IMO

Thanks for that information. I suppose it is different in other states. In my state, it is set up the way I explained, and voting defers back to the state of primary residence. Nobody I know that falls into this category has children in public schools, though.

Not trying to be nasty or anything, but I seriously doubt that this woman was very responsible. I am sure she flew "below radar" as much as possible.

[KKKKKKatie]

and...when was she supposedly in the company of other inmates?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I believe it was said that on her first arrest she was in the processing room with other inmates. Don't have a link so IMO

[jammies]

so we are not closed down for maintenance


not yet! ..........

[scillak]

I think she got it all from seeing Zenaida at Sawgrass that day and then reading the application she had filled out

Casey stressed "HYPHEN Gonzales" just like Zenaidas name which she saw on the application

Casey said her Zanny had 2 kids but Zenaida had written 2 on purpose (she actually has 6)

If casey got the info from a cop he would have told her 6 not 2

Zenaidas car has New York licence plates... her car was at Sawgrass... Casey probably looked at her plates

etc etc


I was listening to the initial police interrogation of Casey the other day and I believe it's in the last bit of questioning in the room at Universal that Casey says that Zenaida doesn't have children. That led to the investigator asking if she couldn't have children and then Casey tells him "not that she's aware of" (paraphrasing that). I took this as the investigator opening it up to see if Zenaida might have stolen Caylee because she wanted kids but couldn't have them. By that point in time the detectives didn't believe the Zenaida stuff, but they continued to ask questions. I'll go and double check this. Anyway - do you remember where Casey said that Zenaida had two children?

[aubrey04]

I think she got it all from seeing Zenaida at Sawgrass that day and then reading the application she had filled out

Casey stressed "HYPHEN Gonzales" just like Zenaidas name which she saw on the application

Casey said her Zanny had 2 kids but Zenaida had written 2 on purpose (she actually has 6)

If casey got the info from a cop he would have told her 6 not 2

Zenaidas car has New York licence plates... her car was at Sawgrass... Casey probably looked at her plates

etc etc

Yeah. That is what I am thinking too, but it is still strange she had been talking about Zanny for years before she ran into Zenaida at Sawgrass. It's just a strange coincidence in this case. Or Casey had been stalking out this woman for awhile. I wonder if ZFG has checked her credit report lately. :mellow:

ETA ~ didn't realize the boards would be shut down soon.. I will be back later, folks! Let's hope for a doc drop TODAY! :)

[WillowInFlight]

I believe it was said that on her first arrest she was in the processing room with other inmates. Don't have a link so IMO

Yes, thats what I heard, strange that she wouldn't call her family for the name of a lawyer.

[need2no]

I believe it was said that on her first arrest she was in the processing room with other inmates. Don't have a link so IMO


I recall reading that, but I just don't see casey yakking it up with other inmates. casey didn't believe she should even be there, and I believe she would have expected mom and dad to get her out of this mess, including hiring an attorney.

[desmom]

Was this from casey regarding her ZFG?

No that is not it.

Somewhere I read ZG had a wreck and she was driving her father's car.

In June Casey was sending invites for Fusians through text messages and myspace. I think Casey searched myspace for people in the Orlando area that may be interested and sent them invites.

She had been talking about nanny for sometime and Zaniada's myspace page probably caught her attention. I do remember seeing ZG's myspace page several months ago. Maybe that is where I got the idea she was driving her father's car.

jmo

[daHawg]

Wasn't it reported that ZG was driving her father's car because her car had been damaged in an accident?
I remember seeing a pic of ZG's car on her myspace showing it was in an accident. Wish I could find that pic now it was a screenshot.

[destiny1]

I believe it was said that on her first arrest she was in the processing room with other inmates. Don't have a link so IMO

Why on her first arrest did the OCSD find the need to isolate her? at that point, she was not charged with murder.

[really3997]

not yet! ..........

Well I guess I can stop cleaning now.... Thanks

[scillak]

I believe it was said that on her first arrest she was in the processing room with other inmates. Don't have a link so IMO

I think that she told her folks about contacting Baez during one of their jail visits early on - I think I heard it on the video. I think also that she said that other inmates had told her he was good. (what an endorsement)

[Pruddennce]

I had the same question Pru.

Also I'm not sure casey would even think about hiring someone to represent her...wouldn't she expect mom and dad to handle this for her?

yes, its interesting that Baez just happened to hook up with her when she was arrested for child neglect. and Baez tells GA (GA tells LE in his interview), that Casey has indicated she has money to retain him.

right.

best regards,
Pru

[desmom]

I remember seeing a pic of ZG's car on her myspace showing it was in an accident. Wish I could find that pic now it was a screenshot.

Thank you. :wub:

Someone else remembers a wrecked car with ZG. I have been looking and can't find it.

[KKKKKKatie]

I recall reading that, but I just don't see casey yakking it up with other inmates. casey didn't believe she should even be there, and I believe she would have expected mom and dad to get her out of this mess, including hiring an attorney.

With the dynamics in this family who knows??? We know that Cindy was angry with Casey for not telling her where Caylee was and that Casey knew Cindy thought she was not a good mother......so, perhaps, Casey didn't think they would help her.

[KKKKKKatie]

Why on her first arrest did the OCSD find the need to isolate her? at that point, she was not charged with murder.

no, but she was charged with neglect of a child and people were already riled up because she wouldn't help find her. :shrug:

[daHawg]

Thank you. :wub:

Someone else remembers a wrecked car with ZG. I have been looking and can't find it.

I have been searching for that pic for a while now. It was a sliver KIA or Hyundai that looks similar to the Ford Focus that Casey described.


I originally saw the screencapture on WS. I then went to ZG's myspace at the time and saw the pic there too.

[destiny1]

The only reason I know this is because I got a ticket for not updating my current residence information when I was pulled over for speeding.

Either was 10 or 30 days, ZFG has been in the state for more than either of those times. Personally I think there is something to this Z stories but not what KC is telling anyone. IMO- Z is a friend or relative of one of the kids at Sawgrass and that is how KC knows so much about her.

except for a few details, casey is not saying very much at all about ZG. I think she is using bits and pieces of illicitly obtained information and building her nanny story around that as she thinks it fits. Perhaps this person so acquainted with ZG that he or she is passing info to casey has a record. If the OCSD could ever make a connection, I think it could break this case That person could possibly be compelled to speak. Generally, when someone is passing illicit information to another, they know of some kind of crimminal intent.

[WillowInFlight]

With the dynamics in this family who knows??? We know that Cindy was angry with Casey for not telling her where Caylee was and that Casey knew Cindy thought she was not a good mother......so, perhaps, Casey didn't think they would help her.

Did we ever hear why George didn't like Baez?, I remember him telling LE that, but don't remember a reason

[scillak]

I think she got it all from seeing Zenaida at Sawgrass that day and then reading the application she had filled out

Casey stressed "HYPHEN Gonzales" just like Zenaidas name which she saw on the application

Casey said her Zanny had 2 kids but Zenaida had written 2 on purpose (she actually has 6)

If casey got the info from a cop he would have told her 6 not 2

Zenaidas car has New York licence plates... her car was at Sawgrass... Casey probably looked at her plates

etc etc

This is part of the of her Universal interview and about 5 1/2 minutes in she says that Zanny doesn't have children. I realize she must have changed that to two kids later on since you are mentioning it. My sister said that to me, also. I just didn't ever run across where she said that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65OHVT6y63E

[KKKKKKatie]

Did we ever hear why George didn't like Baez?, I remember him telling LE that, but don't remember a reason


I never heard/read a reason Willow

[WillowInFlight]

I never heard/read a reason Willow

Thanks Katie, I also got the impression Lee wasn't to fond of him either.

[Neffy]

Did we ever hear why George didn't like Baez?, I remember him telling LE that, but don't remember a reason

Hi Willow,

My impression from the FBI/LE interview was that it was George's contention that Casey was in fact guilty and he didn't understand why her lawyer wasn't making a plea bargain to get less time. George states he knows Casey is going to be away and wanted the plea.

[BJames]

Since Cindy said that they had spoken to an attorney regarding parental rights to Caylee? If I were in Casey's position (!!!??) I would probably speak to the same attorney to ask who he would suggest in regards to legal counsel...quite often a firm will have one person handling civil law, another real estate law...another criminal...etc.
But it doesn't appear that is what she did...odd.


Just my opinion of course..

[KKKKKKatie]

Since Cindy said that they had spoken to an attorney regarding parental rights to Caylee? If I were in Casey's position (!!!??) I would probably speak to the same attorney to ask who he would suggest in regards to legal counsel...quite often a firm will have one person handling civil law, another real estate law...another criminal...etc.
But it doesn't appear that is what she did...odd.


Just my opinion of course..


Cindy couldn't remember the name of the attorney that she spoke to :rolleyes: There probably wasn't one IMO

[jakee]

Cindy couldn't remember the name of the attorney that she spoke to :rolleyes: There probably wasn't one IMO

I thought Cindy did give a name, but when LE talked to the lawyer, he had no clue about any of it. I could be wrong though. :biggrin:

[need2no]

I thought Cindy did give a name, but when LE talked to the lawyer, he had no clue about any of it. I could be wrong though. :biggrin:

You are correct. When LE checked with the attorney he said he had never heard of the Anthonys.

[KKKKKKatie]

I thought Cindy did give a name, but when LE talked to the lawyer, he had no clue about any of it. I could be wrong though. :biggrin:

I think she finally did give a name but he/she had never talked to her??

[BJames]

So once again we are stuck with something an Anthony has said...and they just never figured that anyone would check it out.
I wonder how conversations went with them...did they know that pretty much anything one of them said to the other probably wasn't the 'truth'...I wonder if they always knew that in the back of their minds?

Odd...

Just my opinion of course..

[?noanswer]

http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/33315-fl-jonathan-kasen-1249218.html


He has a pretty good rating by this site.

JB has not been rated by this site.

http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/34744-fl-jose-baez-1231148.html

[scillak]

This is part of the of her Universal interview and about 5 1/2 minutes in she says that Zanny doesn't have children. I realize she must have changed that to two kids later on since you are mentioning it. My sister said that to me, also. I just didn't ever run across where she said that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65OHVT6y63E

I found my answer. Casey switches from this initial "Zanny has no children" to the claim of two children in the countersuit that Baez filed.

[KKKKKKatie]

So once again we are stuck with something an Anthony has said...and they just never figured that anyone would check it out.
I wonder how conversations went with them...did they know that pretty much anything one of them said to the other probably wasn't the 'truth'...I wonder if they always knew that in the back of their minds?

Odd...

Just my opinion of course..

IMO they have been covering for Casey for so long they have no idea what is fact and what is fiction any longer

[need2no]

This is part of the of her Universal interview and about 5 1/2 minutes in she says that Zanny doesn't have children. I realize she must have changed that to two kids later on since you are mentioning it. My sister said that to me, also. I just didn't ever run across where she said that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65OHVT6y63E

casey must have changed her story at some point because I recall a big ta do about ZG having 6 kids but only 2 of them were listed on the Sawgrass application because only 2 currently reside with her. It was stated this is where casey got the notion that ZG had 2 children, and was able to provide the names of those children.

Isn't it interesting when we go back and revisit some of these topics.

[CelticDawn]

except for a few details, casey is not saying very much at all about ZG. I think she is using bits and pieces of illicitly obtained information and building her nanny story around that as she thinks it fits. Perhaps this person so acquainted with ZG that he or she is passing info to casey has a record. If the OCSD could ever make a connection, I think it could break this case That person could possibly be compelled to speak. Generally, when someone is passing illicit information to another, they know of some kind of crimminal intent.

Hey !!

I was reading on another site I cvisit about a comparison between the real ZG and caseys ZG.....I thought the post was interesting.....


can we link to other boards on here or is that a no-no...???

there were some interesting little connections...something only a relative or close friend would know...Unless you were looking for an ID theft victim...

[scillak]

So once again we are stuck with something an Anthony has said...and they just never figured that anyone would check it out.
I wonder how conversations went with them...did they know that pretty much anything one of them said to the other probably wasn't the 'truth'...I wonder if they always knew that in the back of their minds?

Odd...

Just my opinion of course..

LOL. I'm imagining that a family dinner might sound something like that SNL Liar fellow, "Yeh, that's the ticket!"

[WillowInFlight]

I thought Cindy did give a name, but when LE talked to the lawyer, he had no clue about any of it. I could be wrong though. :biggrin:

IIRC she said she didn't remember his name, but she had it on file. I remember Kitty joking about how can you forget the name of your lawyer.

[KKKKKKatie]

Hey !!

I was reading on another site I cvisit about a comparison between the real ZG and caseys ZG.....I thought the post was interesting.....


can we link to other boards on here or is that a no-no...???

there were some interesting little connections...something only a relative or close friend would know...Unless you were looking for an ID theft victim...

you can give a synopsis...not a direct quote then post the link

[nana6]

not yet! ..........

Have we been closed down? I just got on now

[Dells]

Good Morning,

Thanks for the link desmom. Well, surprise surprise! What happens now? Does Zenaida win her case?

Casey Anthony takes the Fifth in defamation suit

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey0309feb03,0,4855543.story

Good morning!

Yeah... surprise, surprise is right. I hope it does mean that she wins. I am tired of all the collateral damage that Casey has caused everyone...

[Dunlurken]

I have a stupid question as usual. Last night while watching NG, it was determined by someone, can't remember who, that ZFG had NY tags. Okay, here's my question.

How would Casey know the car had NY tags by just reading an apartment application. When did and how did Casey read the apartment application from ZFG? How is that possible?

[KKKKKKatie]

Have we been closed down? I just got on now

not yet nana

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning all,,,

Got a late start this morning....

I heard last night at the beginning of NG show that the meter reader walked off his job and in tears....he stated that he was being looked upon as the one who murdered Caylee....

Has anyone heard anything to this effect...?

just wondering....

[BJames]

IMO they have been covering for Casey for so long they have no idea what is fact and what is fiction any longer

I would agree KKKKKatie, this wasn't something 'new' for these folks.

From knowing that Casey went with a 'jail house' lawyer, she must have known that her 'family' (Cindy?) had never gone to an attorney regarding any legal rights to Caylee. Otherwise my guess is that she would have leaned on mom/dad to get some information from the 'other' lawyer...he didn't exist and she knew that...contrary to what Cindy was saying.

Just my opinion of course...

[Auburngirl]

I have a stupid question as usual. Last night while watching NG, it was determined by someone, can't remember who, that ZFG had NY tags. Okay, here's my question.

How would Casey know the car had NY tags by just reading an apartment application. When did and how did Casey read the apartment application from ZFG? How is that possible?


Excellent question Dunnie. I wondered the same thing. ZG's attorney stated she had NY plates. Actually, he told NG she HAS NY plates.

[Dunlurken]

Good morning all,,,

Got a late start this morning....

I heard last night at the beginning of NG show that the meter reader walked off his job and in tears....he stated that he was being looked upon as the one who murdered Caylee....

Has anyone heard anything to this effect...?

just wondering....Guess we can put that in the hear say column. JMO.

Back to the NY tags. How did Casey know ZFG was from NY? Has the manager at Sawgrass been questioned?

[Dells]

WESH reported we will get new docs this week.

I can't wait. I hope some of those documents are fingerprint reports from the duct tape.

[Barbara fl.]

Thank you. :wub:

Someone else remembers a wrecked car with ZG. I have been looking and can't find it.


I believe the accident that Zenaida was allegedly in was when Casey told her parents that she wouldn't be home because she was in the ER with Zenaida who was in a bad accident while she was following behind in her car.....but it was checked out by LE and was discovered to also be a lie.....

[KKKKKKatie]

Good morning all,,,

Got a late start this morning....

I heard last night at the beginning of NG show that the meter reader walked off his job and in tears....he stated that he was being looked upon as the one who murdered Caylee....

Has anyone heard anything to this effect...?

just wondering....

Haven't heard that...only that he had asked for a transfer before finding Caylee and was just granted it

[Dunlurken]

Excellent question Dunnie. I wondered the same thing. ZG's attorney stated she had NY plates. Actually, he told NG she HAS NY plates.

Thank you. I'm not brain dead yet. See, this gets to my point where Casey said Caylee could be in NY, etc. Something is amiss. No apartment manager lets "outsiders" look at applications. JMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

Guess we can put that in the hear say column. JMO.

Back to the NY tags. How did Casey know ZFG was from NY? Has the manager at Sawgrass been questioned?

Only a guess....she saw her car the same day she looked at the Sawgrass "card" with her name on it

[Dunlurken]

Only a guess....she saw her car the same day she looked at the Sawgrass "card" with her name on it

Well, Casey is pretty damm smart. Do we know the date of the "card"?

[Barbara fl.]

Guess we can put that in the hear say column. JMO.

Back to the NY tags. How did Casey know ZFG was from NY? Has the manager at Sawgrass been questioned?


I had been under the impression that it was all just a coincidence...but after last night, I'm beginning to wonder if Casey didn't take advantage of this particular Zenaida G while she was looking at an apt at the sawgrass apt's....It all seems to match with what Casey was saying....I now believe that she took advantage of this ZG and quickly put it into action....She probably was going to say that the Zenaida G that she knew must have stole the real ZG's identity.....JMOO

[nana6]

Thanks to all who responded. He doesn't seem to have much going for him, does he? I think if I were in Casey's shoes, I'd want someone with a little,no ALOT, more experience behind him.

JMO

She probably never thought to ask him about schooling, wins, losses of cases etc. AND I never th ought that she got his name from another inmate either. So much that we don't really know.

[?noanswer]

Good morning all,,,

Got a late start this morning....

I heard last night at the beginning of NG show that the meter reader walked off his job and in tears....he stated that he was being looked upon as the one who murdered Caylee....

Has anyone heard anything to this effect...?

just wondering....


The only thing that has been posted and linked to at this time is that he was reassigned to another job. He will not be reading meters anymore. He had requested this job before he found Caylee. He is still with the same entity. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Interesting that they kept showing the heart on ZFG's hand. Missed that one! Thanks to the poster who brought it up. JMO.

[kOOkie1]

I believe the accident that Zenaida was allegedly in was when Casey told her parents that she wouldn't be home because she was in the ER with Zenaida who was in a bad accident while she was following behind in her car.....but it was checked out by LE and was discovered to also be a lie.....

:confused:the whole Zenaida thing is confusing but also did not Amy have a car accident during this time too??

[Barbara fl.]

I hope Casey is made to answer them too, but what can they really do if she refuses? I mean, she is already in jail. Could they do something like take away her commissary privileges?:sneaky:



I would prefer for them to take away her bathroom privileges...:tongueside: But, no they really couldn't do anything to her in jail but at the trial it can be brought up....how or why I haven't figured out yet....But i'm thinking on it :closedeyes:

[nana6]

Guess we can put that in the hear say column. JMO.

Back to the NY tags. How did Casey know ZFG was from NY? Has the manager at Sawgrass been questioned?

I think maybe she was in the parking lot that day. Afterall, she had friends there. Maybe she saw that woman walk out and get into the car. Then went in to the office and saw ZG name on the registry.

[Myka]

This is part of the of her Universal interview and about 5 1/2 minutes in she says that Zanny doesn't have children. I realize she must have changed that to two kids later on since you are mentioning it. My sister said that to me, also. I just didn't ever run across where she said that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65OHVT6y63E

I love the Universal interviews!! She walks to the end of the hall and then admits she doesn't work there. She is stone cold caught in a lie to a cop. She tries so hard to cover her butt....reminds me of the typical 3 yr old, getting caught in the cookie jar

and the cops weren't fooled. They let her take it as far and she could. BTW, it IS her lie, she can make it as big as she wants to.. I bet the cops went back to the station and had a good laugh!

[KKKKKKatie]

Well, Casey is pretty damm smart. Do we know the date of the "card"?

I used to....but this old brain can only hold so much info anymore :laugh:

IIRC it was in June...sometime

[?noanswer]

Thank you. I'm not brain dead yet. See, this gets to my point where Casey said Caylee could be in NY, etc. Something is amiss. No apartment manager lets "outsiders" look at applications. JMO.


IIRC, one of the employees at Sawgrass would not give LE an interview. She gave them another person's name that was more familar with either KC or ZG. Can't remember which. I do not have a link except in my memory. JMO

[summer4meplz]

It has always bothered me that she got Jose's name from an inmate. Baez has only been an attorney for 3 years so how did his name even come up? He has only tried a few cases hmm unless he solicited her and Casey is lying again. IMO


That would be my bet......good morning everyone....

my bold

[desmom]

Well, Casey is pretty damm smart. Do we know the date of the "card"?

June 17, 2008

[Dunlurken]

I think maybe she was in the parking lot that day. Afterall, she had friends there. Maybe she saw that woman walk out and get into the car. Then went in to the office and saw ZG name on the registry.

Maybe won't work in court. We need more facts. I'm starting to think reasonable doubt.

[trich]

I don't know...first I've heard of that, but it's interesting if true.

The original story was that a person in the jail recommended Baez.
Although I did think she was not around other inmates ....wonder if a jail guard could have suggested him?

[Barbara fl.]

:confused:the whole Zenaida thing is confusing but also did not Amy have a car accident during this time too??


I don't remember hearing anything about that...I know Casey was driving Amy's car not too long before all this happened, while Amy was in PR....

[CelticDawn]

you can give a synopsis...not a direct quote then post the link

5'7" 140lbs.
26 years of age...Half black, half Puerto Rican...Is wealthy...Worked at Universal as a migrant/seasonal type... older sister Samantha who has 3 kids.

Father Victor...Mother is Gloria who once lived at the Nursing Home or Assited Living Home and Zanny lived with her....also lived at sawgrass..


Changed phone numbers, depending on which phone she had at the time.
Has contacts in NY, NC, FL, PR, TX.
Got a new 2008 Ford Focus, silver.
Has known Casey for 4 years...Babysat for the last 2 years.

Then a comparison is made to thde Real ZFG and there are a few items there that stand out...somebody knew somebody...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3255194#post3255194

[KKKKKKatie]

June 17, 2008

Thank you desmom :seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

sorry dunnie..i disagree..kc is not smart at all..she is rather stewpid i think..just because she can think up a story..don't forget..nothin matches with anything..just because she can think up lies..does not make them "good" lies..
If she was pretty smart she wouldn't be sittin in jail for the rest of her life..lord willin.
Killin a small child with no witnesses and dumpin a small body should not be hard at all..yet le was on to her immediately.

ita. ..................

[Dunlurken]

June 17, 2008

Thanks. .......Onward.

[BJames]

Does anyone remember back to 'Zanaida's' FaceBook/MySpace if you could see the heart tatoo on her hand? Now that would be very interesting if Casey could have seen that while 'researching' for her ZFG...also in one of the pics of Caylee it looks like either a stamp or temporary tatoo of a heart on the back of her hand...
Mind you 'hearts' are big with (little) girls...or maybe Casey did do some reasearch into this lady?

Just my opinion of course...

[trich]

Maybe won't work in court. We need more facts. I'm starting to think reasonable doubt.

I think Annie or some other person from sawgrass gave her the information or let her get access to it.
If I am not mistaken Annie's intervew has never been released.....that tells me she has some very damagaing information against Casey.

[Dells]

oh yah.. didnt someone report that on her application at Saw Grass Zenaida wrote that she had 2 kids but in reality she has 6

and didn't Casey tell LE that her Zanny had 2 kids?

geeeee I wonder where she got that number? :rolleyes:

Yep, there are just too many coincidences for this not be the the Zenaida that Casey based her fake nanny story on.:sneaky:

[nana6]

I imagine that the apartment manager did not let her look at an application that ZG filled out but maybe there was a registry (open book) laying on the table to sign in when you arrive. I don't know but who knows if we will ever find out. I bet they have the apartment manager explain just how things work there at Sawgrass when applying.

[Barbara fl.]

Interesting that they kept showing the heart on ZFG's hand. Missed that one! Thanks to the poster who brought it up. JMO.


This is becoming more creepier by the day.....This is going to make a heck of a horror movie for all concerned.....

This is all too much of a coincidence for me......

I now believe that Casey really went to great lenghts to try and pull this off....

[Neffy]

Maybe won't work in court. We need more facts. I'm starting to think reasonable doubt.


More reasonable assumption then reasonable doubt. There is a connection there that is not coincidental.

[marshmallow]

5'7" 140lbs.
26 years of age...Half black, half Puerto Rican...Is wealthy...Worked at Universal as a migrant/seasonal type... older sister Samantha who has 3 kids.

Father Victor...Mother is Gloria who once lived at the Nursing Home or Assited Living Home and Zanny lived with her....also lived at sawgrass..


Changed phone numbers, depending on which phone she had at the time.
Has contacts in NY, NC, FL, PR, TX.
Got a new 2008 Ford Focus, silver.
Has known Casey for 4 years...Babysat for the last 2 years.

Then a comparison is made to thde Real ZFG and there are a few items there that stand out...somebody knew somebody...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3255194#post3255194



I'd always thought that some of that info on ZFG was on her myspace and Casey just needed the info from the car. She might've seen the plates, looked in the windows, anything with her name on it in view on the seats and Casey could've searched for her. didn't one of the searches on Casey's computer show she's looked for Zenida?

[Dells]

Last night's Nancy Grace show had some really interesting stuff!

David Horowitz was on, he's looking better these days, poor man. Did I understand Nancy to say that he's currently going to medical school??? Is he planning on some sort of legal-connected medicine, or is he changing careers entirely? I'd love to know.

Anyhow, he said something I thought was really interesting...that the best result for Casey at this point would be achieved by confessing to having killed Caylee in some manner that would NOT be considered first degree murder, but instead could be some sort of manslaughter. That would presumably result in a relatively short sentence.

Nancy didn't pursue this line of thought, and I really wish she had. Is there any way to describe a manslaughter death that will account for the duct tape???


<Respectfully snipped>

Bolding mine.....

I think Casey could say that Caylee died accidentally and she panicked. In her panic, she tried to make it look like a kidnapping gone bad and that is why she added the duct tape to Caylee's mouth.

I am at the point though were I don't want Casey to confess to an accident because I don't think that it was one. If it was an accident, any person or attorney would be trying to plead it out by now instead of risking LWOP or the DP. If Casey tries to confess to an accident now, it would just be to save her own skin from jail. I mean she didn't confess after she saw how many lives she was ruining, she didn't confess after they found Caylee's body, and she didn't confess after her father got hospitalized for mental issues. If none of these things made her face the truth, then nothing will. Actually, I think she would confess to save herself, but I don't think her confession would be the truth. It would be filled w/lies that would just make her look like the victim. I think The State has plenty to convict her of the 1st degree murder of her daughter, and I cannot wait until she is convicted and has to spend the rest of her life in jail.

[debkay]

With Gil Cabot involved, and now Patrick Mckenna involved there is no way she admits to anything. Storybrokers and watsup productions are getting these high priced folks involved for the story of the decade and the money involved is all that matters. Casey getting convicted won't matter but they intend to win and rival the OJ in sensationalism. Gil Cabot likely owns this whole affair along with big money folks in the background willing to sell souls for money.
Who is Patrick Mckenna and how is he involved??

[happy2bme]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18629337/detail.html

[aubrey04]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18629428/detail.html

So are the Anthony's requesting to visit with Casey one-on-one with videocamera's/audio/plexi-glass? I guess I am a little confused. They can visit Casey now but they'll be taped, just like all other inmates who have family/friends visit.

Or are they Anthony's asking for special privileges?

[Dells]

I don't think that even matters, I really don't think that Casey cares what her parents think anymore. I think in her mind she has set her self apart from them. I think that if Cindy and George ever admit the truth, it will be after Casey is convicted.

True. I think Casey may have cut them out of her life already. Hence the no visits and the delay in releasing Caylee's remains. She just doesn't care about them anymore.

[Pruddennce]

I'd always thought that some of that info on ZFG was on her myspace and Casey just needed the info from the car. She might've seen the plates, looked in the windows, anything with her name on it in view on the seats and Casey could've searched for her. didn't one of the searches on Casey's computer show she's looked for Zenida?

Computer forensics revealed a search for 'Zenaida', myspace, on 6/12 on the home desktop computer.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

the "sawgrass visit by Zenaida G' occurred on June 17th. IMO it is possible that Casey found ZG's myspace on 6/12 and ZG actually posted something about going to check out the apartment.

as an aside, IMO, Annie D and Mark H are key to this investigation. There is a reason why her statement has been withheld along with Mark Hawkins. there is additional speculation as to why she was searching for 'a zenaida' with various theories out here: connection to Annie D being one of them.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[kitty1182]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18629337/detail.html

Good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KKKKKKatie]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18629337/detail.html

Dumb and dumber strike again :lol:

Glad we re-opened so quickly!!

[Dunlurken]

Dumb and dumber strike again :lol:

Glad we re-opened so quickly!!

I'm also glad. I was reading on another board. Looks as though Todd Black has three pseudonyms. JMO.

[aubrey04]

Last night's Nancy Grace show had some really interesting stuff!

David Horowitz was on, he's looking better these days, poor man. Did I understand Nancy to say that he's currently going to medical school??? Is he planning on some sort of legal-connected medicine, or is he changing careers entirely? I'd love to know.

No, Daniel (not Davis) Horowitz is not changing careers that I know of. IIRC, Daniel Horowitz was surmising about Casey's mental state - saying she is clearly mentally ill because no sane person would kill their child or something like that.. Nancy jumped in and asked him if he was now a medical doctor - (implying he didn't have the medical background to diagnose Casey).. and Horowitz said "no" - sheepishly.

At least that is how I remember the exchange. However, I agree with Horowitz - I think Casey does have a personality disorder.. but I do not believe she is insane in the legal sense. Not at all.

[Neffy]

So are the Anthony's requesting to visit with Casey one-on-one with videocamera's/audio/plexi-glass? I guess I am a little confused. They can visit Casey now but they'll be taped, just like all other inmates who have family/friends visit.

Or are they Anthony's asking for special privileges?

Well video visitation is already available for relatives usually who reside out of town or I'd imagine with no transportation or what not. That wouldn't be special treatment. BUT to grieve via simucast from a funeral home. GEEZ that's not done.

[aubrey04]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18629337/detail.html

Wow.. Do NOT mess with Kathi "why are you strutting?" Belich! :lol:

[KKKKKKatie]

Well video visitation is already available for relatives usually who reside out of town or I'd imagine with no transportation or what not. That wouldn't be special treatment. BUT to grieve via simucast from a funeral home. GEEZ that's not done.

But this is "special" or so they think. Just drives me crazy the sense of entitlement the whole family has :cursing:

[aubrey04]

Well video visitation is already available for relatives usually who reside out of town or I'd imagine with no transportation or what not. That wouldn't be special treatment. BUT to grieve via simucast from a funeral home. GEEZ that's not done.

Oh okay. I guess I didn't understand what video visitation was about. maybe I didn't read it very well.

[happy2bme]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8338910&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Dunlurken]

But this is "special" or so they think. Just drives me crazy the sense of entitlement the whole family has :cursing:

Why can't the memorial service be held by the public. The guy at the Baptist church that holds 5,000, would be a great place to hold a memorial service for the public to attend. And say prayers for little Caylee.

Let the details be worked out in a court of law. Many people hold memorial services before they bury a person. Especially if Caylee is going to be cremated. None of this makes sense to me. JMO.

the public needs closure. Which won't actually happen until there is a verdict. JMO. Baez has screwed this up big time. JMOA.

[KKKKKKatie]

Why can't the memorial service be held by the public. The guy at the Baptist church that holds 5,000, would be a great place to hold a memorial service for the public to attend. And say prayers for little Caylee.

Let the details be worked out in a court of law. Many people hold memorial services before they bury a person. Especially if Caylee is going to be cremated. None of this makes sense to me. JMO.

the public needs closure. Which won't actually happen until there is a verdict. JMO. Baez has screwed this up big time. JMOA.


I, personally, don't need a public memorial.....I just want her laid to rest. Enough is enough!

[Neffy]

Oh okay. I guess I didn't understand what video visitation was about. maybe I didn't read it very well.

To be honest I can't figure out what they're asking for I have the impression the simulcast now that is special treatment and am assuming that's what's being asked knowing the A's.

Also as someone mentioned I don't know if this is two sided. They all have quite a "set" on them even asking IMO. Seems like Casey goes along when things are quite impossible just to give her an excuse that It wasn't me I was all for it. hammer

I don't trust any of them as far as I can throw them.

[Dunlurken]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8338910&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Lee needs to be questioned untill the cows come home. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I, personally, don't need a public memorial.....I just want her laid to rest. Enough is enough!
That won't happen until after the trial is over. Do you want her remains exhumed? If not, leave her be. She's just fine where she is right now. Card board box? Grave? Doesn't matter. She's in the arms of the angels, walking in fields of gold. Not to worry. My Mom picked her up immediately. Not to worry.
:rose:

[Neffy]

You know what I'M WRONG about the video visitation. You still have to go there. GEEZ.

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/DEPT/correct/inmateinfo/video/default.htm

The public doesn't have to wait in line or undergo searches in order to visit an inmate. Instead, citizens can call ahead and arrange for an appointment. When its time to visit, you simply show up at the Video Visitation Center on 39th Street across John Young Parkway from the Orange County Booking and Release Center.

[debkay]

You know what I'M WRONG about the video visitation. You still have to go there. GEEZ.

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/DEPT/correct/inmateinfo/video/default.htm

The public doesn't have to wait in line or undergo searches in order to visit an inmate. Instead, citizens can call ahead and arrange for an appointment. When its time to visit, you simply show up at the Video Visitation Center on 39th Street across John Young Parkway from the Orange County Booking and Release Center.

So would this still be released to the public??

[KKKKKKatie]

That won't happen until after the trial is over. Do you want her remains exhumed? If not, leave her be. She's just fine where she is right now. Card board box? Grave? Doesn't matter. She's in the arms of the angels, walking in fields of gold. Not to worry. My Mom picked her up immediately. Not to worry.
:rose:

No, I don't want her exhumed but I also don't want her to be a public spectacle via Cindy etal

[KKKKKKatie]

So would this still be released to the public??


It could be if they chose to

[Dunlurken]

The "public" cannot visit inmates. Am I reading the post wrong? You have to be on a list of visitors to be able to receive them. And before hand, you have to give your SSN, etc. and get checked out. JMO.

[Neffy]

So would this still be released to the public??


Rules & Regulations
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/DEPT/correct/inmateinfo/video/VideoVisitationRules.htm


All visits are monitored and are subject to recording.

I'd say so.

I'm sure this doesn't meet the A's approval hammer and what they're asking for is beyond jail rules & regulations then.

[RiverWalk]

I think Annie or some other person from sawgrass gave her the information or let her get access to it.
If I am not mistaken Annie's intervew has never been released.....that tells me she has some very damagaing information against Casey.

Vicky Aleman's interview hasn't been released either!! Witness list:
http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

A little about Vicky A.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:jwsC1x7I9dwJ:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/05.pdf+Casey+Anthony+%22Vicky+aleman%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us&client=safari

Also Vicky has relatives named Raquel and Samantha. Friends with Sean Daley, Iassen, Dante, etc and went to the same high school as Casey.

Remember Cindy said (paraphrasing) when Casey lies, she tells the truth.

[Dunlurken]

No, I don't want her exhumed but I also don't want her to be a public spectacle via Cindy etal
Which is more important? Justice for Caylee or revenge against Cindy?
:confused:

[KKKKKKatie]

Vicky Aleman's interview hasn't been released either!! Witness list:
http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

A little about Vicky A.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:jwsC1x7I9dwJ:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/05.pdf+Casey+Anthony+%22Vicky+aleman%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us&client=safari

Also Vicky has relatives named Raquel and Samantha. Friends with Sean Daley, Iassen, Dante, etc and went to the same high school as Casey.

Remember Cindy said (paraphrasing) when Casey lies, she tells the truth.

Very interesting....

Thanks!

[debkay]

With Gil Cabot involved, and now Patrick Mckenna involved there is no way she admits to anything. Storybrokers and watsup productions are getting these high priced folks involved for the story of the decade and the money involved is all that matters. Casey getting convicted won't matter but they intend to win and rival the OJ in sensationalism. Gil Cabot likely owns this whole affair along with big money folks in the background willing to sell souls for money.


I hope all this is looked into by the authorities! The whole thing stinks to high heaven. It sounds like the law is well aware of Gil Cabot. The relationship between JB and Cabot needs to be looked into. :angry: MOO
http://thinkingoutsidethecircle.wordpress.com/

[Neffy]

Which is more important? Justice for Caylee or revenge against Cindy?
:confused:

:confused: What the heck does this mean?

[starling]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18627533/detail.html#-
Local 6 News confirmed that "Good Morning America" paid Kronk at least $20,000 for a picture of a rattlesnake that he apparently shot near the area where Caylee's bones were found



what a circus



JMO

[jammies]

Which is more important? Justice for Caylee or revenge against Cindy?
:confused:


What the heck are you talking about??

[debkay]

Rules & Regulations
http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/DEPT/correct/inmateinfo/video/VideoVisitationRules.htm


All visits are monitored and are subject to recording.

I'd say so.

I'm sure this doesn't meet the A's approval hammer and what they're asking for is beyond jail rules & regulations then.


They may approve if they can sell the recording. JMO:sneaky:

[KKKKKKatie]

Which is more important? Justice for Caylee or revenge against Cindy?
:confused:

Don't put words in my post Dunnie. I never said anything about revenge. All I said was that I would like to see her laid to rest without a lot of hoopla. She deserves the respect that the she didn't get in life IMO

[Dunlurken]

Vicky Aleman's interview hasn't been released either!! Witness list:
http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

A little about Vicky A.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:jwsC1x7I9dwJ:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/05.pdf+Casey+Anthony+%22Vicky+aleman%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us&client=safari

Also Vicky has relatives named Raquel and Samantha. Friends with Sean Daley, Iassen, Dante, etc and went to the same high school as Casey.

Remember Cindy said (paraphrasing) when Casey lies, she tells the truth.
I'm missing your point. Could you cut to the chase and tell us what you think? Thanks for the link. JMO.

[jammies]

:confused: What the heck does this mean?


Posted the same thing. Think I'll go back to cleaning until naptime.....

[aubrey04]

I, personally, don't need a public memorial.....I just want her laid to rest. Enough is enough!

I agree with you. I will take it a step further and say that I don't even want a public memorial - I think it is just over-the-top. No need to make a spectacle of the situation.

They need to just bury her privately and move on.

[aubrey04]

No, I don't want her exhumed but I also don't want her to be a public spectacle via Cindy etal

I just posted something eerily similar. Great minds - maybe? .. needless to say - I agree with you.

[jammies]

I agree with you. I will take it a step further and say that I don't even want a public memorial - I think it is just over-the-top. No need to make a spectacle of the situation.

They need to just bury her privately and move on.



Completely agree.

[Dunlurken]

Don't put words in my post Dunnie. I never said anything about revenge. All I said was that I would like to see her laid to rest without a lot of hoopla. She deserves the respect that the she didn't get in life IMO

Sorry, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. People are screaming to the high heavens that they want a memorial service for little Caylee. Me being one of them. Should it be televised? Probably not. Should it be recorded? YES! And people can view it on line, etc.

I'm thinking back to the beautiful service held for Laci and Conner. Thousands of people showed up. I just don't understand why the Anthony's are so opposed to a public service. They don't have to be there, can stay in their "tombs" if they want to.

Can we say Lawyers are in the way? JMO.