Tuesday Feb 3, Part 1

[WhiteShark]

How do you know Casey did those websearches?

snipped to address.

we don't for a fact, but as I understand it-----GA and CA were both at work the times of the searches and LA was not nrar the computer. I don't have a link, I head it NG.......

[AMS]

I'm sure they would like to have some time together away from the eyes and ears of strangers but that's not likely to happen nor should it. Casey put herself where she is. I wonder why Cindy is so adamant that Casey participate in the remembrance of Caylee when Casey made it so clear early on that Caylee was not her number 1 priority. Is she trying to force Casey to have feelings or trying to convince herself that Casey has feelings or is she wanting the rest of the world to think better of Casey.

IMO she wants the rest of the world to think Casey has feelings with hope they would then think a mother with feelings could not possibly kill her child. Good luck with that!

IMO.

[Peter]

Hiya folks. Where is Bchand? You were right on the money yesterday afternoon! :thumbup: ....Gil Cabot...

[WhiteShark]

:ohmy:I bet ZG threw the copy of the app in the trash or on the ground and Casey picked it up. The apt clerk said they ran after her to give her a copy.

:ohmy:excellent thought

[KKKKKKatie]

I've been in cali since thurs and just catching up, I watched the replays of fridays hearing and didn't the prosecuters say that the trial may not start till next year and BZ say there was a ton of evidence that he has still not gotten?


Yes he did say that....but you know JB....he likes to whine :biggrin:

Glad we had some good weather for you here in Cali

[ConchGirl]

ITA. Someone in that house sure did like to shop. :scared:
In Cindy's LE interview #7 she stated that Casey likes to spend her free time and money on Caylee. :confused:

[Ladyhawk]

Sorry you seem so confused Dunnie. As for me, I have no doubts.

Just waiting for the prosecution to call a couple of witnesses or release some docs to fill in blanks. Annie and Tony L in particular. I am really interested to view the text messages between Casey and Tony on the evening of June 15th into the wee hours of June 16. There were 90 + messages sent back and forth that should provide us with a better indication of Casey's mindset during that crucial time-frame. These could point to additional motivation.

Casey did it. Her motives are crystal clear. Just waiting for prosecution to up the ante and put the DP back on the table. IMO

Just using your post here Joe since you mention Annie and her statement......does anyone remember when Cindy was telling how helpful Annie had been to her...working the missing Caylee booth and she said she even painted the windows on Cindy's car for her. Just how close were Casey and Annie?

[happygert]

Where you been?

Yes, she did wear socks. With her jail issue flip-flops, if my eyes didn't deceive me.

no your eyes didnt deceive you.....

[bballgrl]

So by saying this Casey gets tv in her jail cell?
I thought she only had a radio.

It is a shame this memorial is not being done in private....IMO
I think it is in very poor taste if it is being televised.
but that is just me.....just when I think it can't get more like a circus ....well it just keeps on coming...:sad:
this family is beyond belief.:sad:

No, I thought it was said that she would not get any "special" privledges to be able to view. If it was "broadcast" she may be able to watch the proceedings during her regular "Rec time" and if it is televised, there is a liklihood that she would be able to catch it at some point. I too think it is in poor taste. There are some things that should remain private.

[Peter]

Zanny may equal xanex, but I don't think Casey put food in the trunk in case Caylee woke up. A trunk would be dark. I would think she would be terrified even if it happened a lot. I can't see her trying to feel around for food. JMO

K

Bolded mine. Why is this making me laugh?
Casey did not need to put Caylee in the trunk, only after she killed her.

[8BellesFan]

IMO she wants the rest of the world to think Casey has feelings with hope they would then think a mother with feelings could not possibly kill her child. Good luck with that!

IMO.


I think she wants to prove she did a good job of raising Casey. That old memememe that Casey has is not just her own trait, but is shared with her mother.

[happy2bme]

In Cindy's LE interview #7 she stated that Casey likes to spend her free time and money on Caylee. :confused:

We got to see first hand how she likes to spend "other" peoples money on Caylee.moo

[WillowInFlight]

no your eyes didnt deceive you.....

Yep, nice bright white socks.

[penguinlady]

Bolded mine. Why is this making me laugh?
Casey did not need to put Caylee in the trunk, only after she killed her.

I agree. That is the only reason she put her in the trunk. Makes me sad to think of her being in there while alive. :crying:

K

[KKKKKKatie]

Bolded mine. Why is this making me laugh?
Casey did not need to put Caylee in the trunk, only after she killed her.

Some think that Casey left Caylee in the trunk while she partied. Therefore the chloroform in the trunk

[~layla~]

Sorry if this has been posted already.

Anthonys May Grieve Caylee Together Via Video

http://www.wesh.com/news/18629428/detail.html

:crying:
makes no sense to me

[desmom]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.

[spiritwolf46]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.


OH GOOD GRIEF! Now there are THREE invisible Todd Black's?? :sneaky:

[KKKKKKatie]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.

Oh for God's sake! These people are just insane!! :cursing:

[5boxersmom]

no your eyes didnt deceive you.....

You beat me back here today. :biggrin: Had to babysit grandsons.

So Casey wasn't wearing socks?

[WillowInFlight]

OH GOOD GRIEF! Now there are THREE invisible Todd Black's?? :sneaky:

Come on Spirit. that makes perfect sense. :sneaky:

[Unperson1984]

If there is still "food" for the new flies, they will start the cycle all over again until the source of "food" is consumed.

Exactly and according to the Body Farm the body couldn't have been in the car after June 18th.

[AMS]

OH GOOD GRIEF! Now there are THREE invisible Todd Black's?? :sneaky:

Goes well with the invisible nanny IMO. :wink:

[KKKKKKatie]

It would be nice if everyone would just skip and scroll past those, never ever responding. It's so frustrating to have a lively discussion here derailed by all that nonsense. Why fall into the trap of defending information and evidence most of us have been long aware of?

It's nuts. Ignore. Skip. Scroll. :wink:

I would agree Say...except for when she puts out false info....then I just have to respond :mad:

[marshmallow]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.

from the link:

"We assign security names for insurance and security purposes, as with "Todd Black" -- a security name which has been used in rotation by three different staff members on this case, and whether Mr. Cabot also participated in that rotation makes no difference whatsoever. Press Corps Media is paid by a family who took an interest in the case, and is not paid by Mr. Baez. Our services are of no major consequence to this case. We simply answer media calls, provide information and/or arrange interviews. Our services are an important, but minor part of assisting attorneys with coordinating events and scheduling. Even when often dealing with extreme bias from some newspeople, we have always been courteous and respectful to everyone, and we will continue our professional conduct as this case moves to trial."







just when I think the Todd Black story can't get worse or funnier....it does. :scared:

[KayOh]

Where you been?

Yes, she did wear socks. With her jail issue flip-flops, if my eyes didn't deceive me.

Hiya Say! Vacation. Was it one of the bracelets that said helpfindcaylee.com? I thought I read it somewhere it said Forever in our hearts. Interesting, so much pushing of the envelope on the part of Baez....

[boo]

I'm sure they would like to have some time together away from the eyes and ears of strangers but that's not likely to happen nor should it. Casey put herself where she is. I wonder why Cindy is so adamant that Casey participate in the remembrance of Caylee when Casey made it so clear early on that Caylee was not her number 1 priority. Is she trying to force Casey to have feelings or trying to convince herself that Casey has feelings or is she wanting the rest of the world to think better of Casey.

I say D) all the above.

[KKKKKKatie]

from the link:

"We assign security names for insurance and security purposes, as with "Todd Black" -- a security name which has been used in rotation by three different staff members on this case, and whether Mr. Cabot also participated in that rotation makes no difference whatsoever. Press Corps Media is paid by a family who took an interest in the case, and is not paid by Mr. Baez. Our services are of no major consequence to this case. We simply answer media calls, provide information and/or arrange interviews. Our services are an important, but minor part of assisting attorneys with coordinating events and scheduling. Even when often dealing with extreme bias from some newspeople, we have always been courteous and respectful to everyone, and we will continue our professional conduct as this case moves to trial."







just when I think the Todd Black story can't get worse or funnier....it does. :scared:

Bolding mine

Our friendly KFN friends????

[penguinlady]

Hiya Say! Vacation. Was it one of the bracelets that said helpfindcaylee.com? I thought I read it somewhere it said Forever in our hearts. Interesting, so much pushing of the envelope on the part of Baez....

Forever in our hearts??? :ohmy: Hearts sure keep popping up everywhere.

[101Spots]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

This confirms what has been suspected for weeks. The inmates are now running the asylum.

[WillowInFlight]

It would be nice if everyone would just skip and scroll past those, never ever responding. It's so frustrating to have a lively discussion here derailed by all that nonsense. Why fall into the trap of defending information and evidence most of us have been long aware of?

It's nuts. Ignore. Skip. Scroll. :wink:

ITA Say, and because it is done on a daily basis, I believe it's being done on purpose.

[spiritwolf46]

Come on Spirit. that makes perfect sense. :sneaky:


LOL! Well my friend, you are right. In this case, it DOES make perfect sense! :thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

I would agree Say...except for when she puts out false info....then I just have to respond :mad:

What would really be nice would be if no one would tell "everyone" who or what to respond to. Wouldn't that be refreshing!!

[KKKKKKatie]

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

This confirms what has been suspected for weeks. The inmates are now running the asylum.
:thumbsup:

[AMS]

OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

This confirms what has been suspected for weeks. The inmates are now running the asylum.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Unperson1984]

I think that would be decomposition we've been made aware of.

Can't forget that the GJ indicted her on murder 1 long before Caylee's remains were discovered.


Even without decomposition in the car, there is a very strong case against Casey. Caylee is gone and Casey was the last person to be seen with her, she didn't report her child missing, and there is no prior or current communication with the "nanny."

[Pruddennce]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.

:shrug: does it ever end?

nah.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[trich]

Good point.....

Sorry to ask a stupid question, but was it said that the maggots were actually living? Honestly I don't remember reading dead or living maggots.

I thought it was said that there were no maggots in the bag they got from the dumpster where the owner of the tow yard put it.
But if there were what is to say the maggots did not crawl in there from the dumpster.
You know that bag was not tied off ....

[Ladyhawk]

Exactly and according to the Body Farm the body couldn't have been in the car after June 18th.

Unless.....there was tissue deposited with the fluid which was completely consumed by the maggots prior to their release from the trunk on 7-15.

[Neffy]

OH GOOD GRIEF! Now there are THREE invisible Todd Black's?? :sneaky:

But of course there is NOW. After the original one was "busted" they had another one or two in this case added to account for the I AM NOT CABOT! LOL! Silly wabbit!

[marshmallow]

Bolding mine

Our friendly KFN friends????





my favorite line is this one
"whether Mr. Cabot also participated in that rotation makes no difference whatsoever."


a very cute way of saying he uses Todd Black as an alias. amazing.

[WhiteShark]

Thank you, aubrey.
PS.. Did Casey wear socks with her gray business suit and hair bun? :wink:

I know, I thought the same thing.........we need the fashion police. I also remember one of the reporters describing how she was dress saying that the blue pants were the jail issue pants and that she had jail shoes on.


PS: the only link I have to this are the notes I wrote down as I watched the end of the hearing Friday. It was during the post-hearing wrap up right before he announced "Guiding Light" would be shown in it's entirety

[5boxersmom]

Unless.....there was tissue deposited with the fluid which was completely consumed by the maggots prior to their release from the trunk on 7-15.

Could be. Wouldn't the whole fly cycle just continue? By them laying more eggs and then there would be more maggots. Be interesting to see the stage of the maggots.

[RiverWalk]

Exactly and according to the Body Farm the body couldn't have been in the car after June 18th.

Human fluids were there thus the gosh awful smell. Empty boxes of velvetta, empty food containers, etc. would not give off the unmistakable smell of decomp. Fluids/decomp. = food = remained in the car after the body was removed and thus that life cycle continued.

MOO

[Dtviewer3]

According to the test results from the Body Farm the body decomposition lasted 2.8 days, if IIRC. That would suggest that the body was taken out of the car no later than June 18th, yet living maggots were found on July 17th. From egg to fly takes about 19 days.


http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/corpse_fauna/flies/life_cycle.htm


I think I missed where it was confirmed 'Living' maggots were found in the trunk.

Could you point me to a link or other info about this?

Thanks.......

[ConchGirl]

my favorite line is this one
"whether Mr. Cabot also participated in that rotation makes no difference whatsoever."


a very cute way of saying he uses Todd Black as an alias. amazing.

When will Team Baez learn that sometimes it's best to say nothing. :sneaky:

[WillowInFlight]

:shrug: does it ever end?

nah.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

And we are suppose to take Baez seriously? If I were Casey, I would be very afraid with my life in his hands. Baez and his camp have made this a total joke.

[WhiteShark]

Zanny may equal xanex, but I don't think Casey put food in the trunk in case Caylee woke up. A trunk would be dark. I would think she would be terrified even if it happened a lot. I can't see her trying to feel around for food.

JMO

K

In Tony L's police statement he confirmed the garbage bag found by GA and the tow yard operator was a bag of his garbage. He also told police he had no idea when or why casey put the garbage in her car trunk.
Of course we all know now. I think she was attempt to cover the decomp smell and was gonna use the garbage as her cover. That didn't work, just as the dead squirrel didn't work, so she ultimately dumped the car as Amscot.

[penguinlady]

Not necessarily. The trunk could've been where Caylee spent time after Casey drugged her enough to fall asleep.

A sleeping toddler in a front or back seat could be easily noticed. A sleeping toddler in the trunk would not be.

None of it explains the problem with the heat, though. :huh: But assuming the drugging when on primarily at night, wonder what the heat of the trunk would be during the night in the springtime?

I think it would still get pretty hot and stuffy back there. Florida stays warm at night. Not as hot as the daytime, but I have been without electricity during the springtime and my dh has issues with having open windows in the house and it gets pretty warm.

IMO

[RiverWalk]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.

Glenn Selig
Gil Cabot
Patrick McKenna
??????

[ConchGirl]

I know, I thought the same thing.........we need the fashion police. I also remember one of the reporters describing how she was dress saying that the blue pants were the jail issue pants and that she had jail shoes on.


PS: the only link I have to this are the notes I wrote down as I watched the end of the hearing Friday. It was during the post-hearing wrap up right before he announced "Guiding Light" would be shown in it's entirety

Here is the raw video from the 1/30 hearing before Casey had her cuffs removed. http://www.wesh.com/video/18602633/index.html

[WhiteShark]

From the link above:

The lawyers for George, Cindy and Lee Anthony said the family would like to have some time to grieve Caylee together.

What is stopping George, Cindy and Lee from grieving together??!! They could have started on December 11th. These people just kill me. I'm losing patience with them (if it's not obvious already!) They can forget being able to be with Casey to "grieve". She ain't allowed - she put herself in jail. Move on already!

methinks Gearge IS grieving, and that is why he is in the hospital. It is the 2 people with such similar personalities having issues---------casey and cindy.

[caphill]

You have that backwards. The April date was the error. She said she was there on 6/17.


The LE report says the computer check from Sawgrass apts in search of the anyone with the name of Zenaida Gongzales found the guest visit was in April. Sometime later a manager produced a copy of the guest card that showed the hand written date at the top as June 17.

What was interesting was the name written on the guest card c Zenaida Gongale, Did the the Zenaida that partially filled out the guest card not know how to spell her own name.

I read that the rental clerk tried to make a follow up call on her visit and the telephone she gave was not a working number.

The Zenaida that has filed the suit against the Anthonys shows her address on the filing papers as a Motel 6.

[happygert]

here's some of the reasons I think they will nail casey to the wall...
1) casey was the last one Caylee was seen alive with
2) decomp in car
3) casey didnt report Caylee missing
4) hair evidence death band on hair in trunk
5) evidence found at crime scene, blanket ,toys, clothes, hamper.etc..
6) All the lies.
7) evidence off of duct tape
8) evidence from house that links the things from crime scene
9) dogs hitting on trunk
10) dogs hitting in 3 different places in yard..
11) cindy's 911 call
12) info from maggots
13) info from botinists
14) fingerprints
15) FBI reports
16) ME atuopsy
17) NO ZANNY THE NANNY
18) Annie's interview
19) TonE's interview
20) CA and GA's lies
21) GA GJ testimony
22) Chloroform found in trunk
23) Comptuer searches
24) The location of the remains
25) and theres a lot more info that FBI and LE has not released...jmho
26) the bags that were took in july will match the bag from Caylee's body

[bama__angel]

methinks Gearge IS grieving, and that is why he is in the hospital. It is the 2 people with such similar personalities having issues---------casey and cindy.



I believe George has been grieving since the day he picked up Casey's car from impound.............He's done his grieving alone and on the inside.

[cassidy]

Thanks, AMS.

Okay, WESH ... is this not simply another videotaped jail visit? What a bunch of hoo-ey. :glare:

Hush! SHHHH! The Anthony's think they are getting special privileges.
:biggrinjester:

[Unperson1984]

Human fluids were there thus the gosh awful smell. Empty boxes of velvetta, empty food containers, etc. would not give off the unmistakable smell of decomp. Fluids/decomp. = food = remained in the car after the body was removed and thus that life cycle continued.

MOO

To tell to truth, I don't believe that the smell in the car came from just from Caylee's body, rotting food was also a large part of the odor. Simply because none of the tests on any part of the trunk have come back positive for decomposition fluids.

IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

I sure hope the Tabloid Tramps get all up in Jose's grill about this. Hope they dog him like they dogged him when Casey was hanging out at his office all day, every day.


Anybody else hear Cher's Gypsy's Tramps And Thieves playing in the background? :rolleyes:

[WhiteShark]

I think it should be released to him via sock :w00t: as soon as it's available.

:tonguewag: to funny, via sock :laugh:

[cassidy]

I believe George has been grieving since the day he picked up Casey's car from impound.............He's done his grieving alone and on the inside.

I've given George pass after pass for his behavior. Maybe the time has come for him to stand up and be a man, for his granddaughter. Betcha he'd feel better about himself. It certainly beats holding in all inside.

JMO

[WhiteShark]

ITA. Someone in that house sure did like to shop. :scared:


:sneaky:and especially with other people's money

[RiverWalk]

To tell to truth, I don't believe that the smell in the car came from just from Caylee's body, rotting food was also a large part of the odor. Simply because none of the tests on any part of the trunk have come back positive for decomposition fluids.

IMO

There was no food in the car unless you think the LE and the FBI are fibbing?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2053190/FBI-Lab-Results-(Casey-Anthony)-Searchable-Doc

[SavannahStar]

The LE report says the computer check from Sawgrass apts in search of the anyone with the name of Zenaida Gongzales found the guest visit was in April. Sometime later a manager produced a copy of the guest card that showed the hand written date at the top as June 17.

What was interesting was the name written on the guest card c Zenaida Gongale, Did the the Zenaida that partially filled out the guest card not know how to spell her own name.

I read that the rental clerk tried to make a follow up call on her visit and the telephone she gave was not a working number.

The Zenaida that has filed the suit against the Anthonys shows her address on the filing papers as a Motel 6.

Interesting, cappie. Good to see you over here. Motel 6, huh? :mellow: Interesting about the spelling too.......

[bama__angel]

To tell to truth, I don't believe that the smell in the car came from just from Caylee's body, rotting food was also a large part of the odor. Simply because none of the tests on any part of the trunk have come back positive for decomposition fluids.

IMO


Can you please tell me which released document dump contains the tests on the body fluids that were negative?

[WhiteShark]

I've been in cali since thurs and just catching up, I watched the replays of fridays hearing and didn't the prosecuters say that the trial may not start till next year and BZ say there was a ton of evidence that he has still not gotten?

yeppars you heard correctly.baez didn't like that did he. As a matter of fact he wants to argue that COV motion like yesterday......even when the judge said it to early. It could be that when the trial is ready to go, there may not be a need for a COV. This of course would lessen baez's TV appearance by one.:sneaky:

[bballgrl]

To tell to truth, I don't believe that the smell in the car came from just from Caylee's body, rotting food was also a large part of the odor. Simply because none of the tests on any part of the trunk have come back positive for decomposition fluids.

IMO

What? The articles I have read (including the one linked below) show that there is evidence of decomposition in the trunk.... What am I missing?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17314603/detail.html

[trich]

In Tony L's police statement he confirmed the garbage bag found by GA and the tow yard operator was a bag of his garbage. He also told police he had no idea when or why casey put the garbage in her car trunk.
Of course we all know now. I think she was attempt to cover the decomp smell and was gonna use the garbage as her cover. That didn't work, just as the dead squirrel didn't work, so she ultimately dumped the car as Amscot.



I agree ....I can't wait till the pros put all this together
with a time line.

[bama__angel]

What? The articles I have read (including the one linked below) show that there is evidence of decomposition in the trunk.... What am I missing?

http://www.wesh.com/news/17314603/detail.html


Thank you...........

[jammies]

It would be nice if everyone would just skip and scroll past those, never ever responding. It's so frustrating to have a lively discussion here derailed by all that nonsense. Why fall into the trap of defending information and evidence most of us have been long aware of?

It's nuts. Ignore. Skip. Scroll. :wink:



I agree.

Enough is enough already.

[WhiteShark]

Can't we safely assume at this point that the organic/biological matter was from Caylee?

no. It will depend on which type of fly. Certains kinds grow on certain things.
There were containers which contained old spoiled rotten food left-overs.

[bungeebaby]

Me thinks George is too sick to even think about what's happened and I feel really bad for him. Those 2 women have virtually destroyed him IMO! It makes me sick and I doubt he'll ever recover. The first time I saw him on the Today show - when he was sitting behind CA and she was flapping her mouth off, with him not saying a word, I got this creepy feeling that something just wasn't right and sure enough - it came true.

All IMO

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes, but I don't get a mental pic of the media ... I get one of Teams Casey and Anthony. :glare:

they are lumped in with Todd Black in my mind also

[desmom]

The LE report says the computer check from Sawgrass apts in search of the anyone with the name of Zenaida Gongzales found the guest visit was in April. Sometime later a manager produced a copy of the guest card that showed the hand written date at the top as June 17.

What was interesting was the name written on the guest card c Zenaida Gongale, Did the the Zenaida that partially filled out the guest card not know how to spell her own name.

I read that the rental clerk tried to make a follow up call on her visit and the telephone she gave was not a working number.

The Zenaida that has filed the suit against the Anthonys shows her address on the filing papers as a Motel 6.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1080375/0825-Casey-Anthony-Documents-released-part-1

A Sawgrass Apt employee checked their database and found ZG had inquired about an apt in June 2008. They lost contact because her phone had been disconnected. Page 58

The Sawgrass Apt employee completed the guest card. Page 55

jmo

[Zeus]

Not necessarily. The trunk could've been where Caylee spent time after Casey drugged her enough to fall asleep.

A sleeping toddler in a front or back seat could be easily noticed. A sleeping toddler in the trunk would not be.

None of it explains the problem with the heat, though. :huh: But assuming the drugging when on primarily at night, wonder what the heat of the trunk would be during the night in the springtime?

Relatively speaking, it wouldn't be all that hot. The cabin of a vehicle heats up more than the trunk because of exposure to direct sunlight. The trunk is always cooler than the cabin area albeit not that much.

[ConchGirl]

they are lumped in with Todd Black in my mind also

Which Todd (not my real name) Black (short for blackmail). :shrug:

[KKKKKKatie]

Relatively speaking, it wouldn't be all that hot. The cabin of a vehicle heats up more than the trunk because of exposure to direct sunlight. The trunk is always cooler than the cabin area albeit not that much.


wasn't her car a hatch back with a big window? Wouldn't that make a difference?

Or do I have the car wrong?

[Lorna]

the simple answer is yes.

:scared:Anybody with half a brain would know that there is no Zanny the nanny who had Caylee.

Oh wait........

[jammies]

You would think.

But I see a couple of the usual suspects have jumped aboard to defend the indefensible. No surprise there.

Weird how the facts of the case are much less important to some than coming here to see what sort of attention they can get for themselves.

Waiting for more docs, jammies. :smile:


Me too. We need something new to chew over. Just hope everyone READS them! :wink:

[Zeus]

wasn't her car a hatch back with a big window? Wouldn't that make a difference?

Or do I have the car wrong?

I don't know if it was a hatchback with a big window but if it was---yes, that would make a huge difference.

[bballgrl]

wasn't her car a hatch back with a big window? Wouldn't that make a difference?

Or do I have the car wrong?


wrong car honey.... :biggrin:

[Lorna]

The point is........ we know nothing until this goes to trial! Speculation and facts are two different things. We have a lot of information to take in, and none of it so far is making sense. the dots are not connecting. Maybe they will in a year, but so far, they don't. AKA reasonable doubt.

I know that's not the "popular opinion" around here. But that's just me. And JMO.

Why then, don't you just quit speculating and wait for the trial? All of your questions will be answered then. :confused:

Maybe you think you don't know anything, but don't lump us all into the same category. I think most of us here know quite a bit about this case.

[penguinlady]

I still can't wrap my mind around Casey putting her child in the trunk of a car alive. I am not going to debate how hot it gets in Orlando in the springtime at night, but what if she woke up?? The terror that a child feels in their own bedroom at night..in the dark (not all kids but I have seen a few that are afraid of the dark) they wake up crying.

I just can't imagine takeing that chance that the drugs wouldn't wear off.

Of course, I am not a psychopath either! IMO!

K

[marshmallow]

To tell to truth, I don't believe that the smell in the car came from just from Caylee's body, rotting food was also a large part of the odor. Simply because none of the tests on any part of the trunk have come back positive for decomposition fluids.

IMO

rotting food?

[Lorna]

What pizza? What ham?

:laugh: You remember the ham and pizza that Henry Lee spoke of. :tonguewag:

[Ladyhawk]

I can't recall the entire list of 6 witnesses at the GJ hearing, but IIRC, one of them spoke to forensics.

It's just my personal opinion that things wouldn't have moved so quickly and decisively toward those 7 counts, including murder 1, if forensics didn't point to a high probability that Casey put a dead Caylee in the trunk.

It has always been my belief that within that decomp fluid was internal organ tissue from Caylee which was why they really didn't need a body. I am waiting patiently for the trial to see if this is correct.

[WhiteShark]

I have to wonder if George is aware of the memorial service that Cindy is putting together. George has been in the hospital for over a week now. Since the stress of the murder of Caylee apparently sent him off the deep end I have to wonder how Cindy thinks he will be able to handle a public memorial service. I would imagine if it is public there would be a lot of looky loos there. Will George even be out of the hospital when the service takes place? :confused:


Whatever cindy wants, cindy gets.......so it will be up to her. IMO.
casey I think was the only one who ever stood up to cindy. Don't get me wrong, I am not defending casey in any way, rate or form. I just think these 2 are so much alike personality wise. casey just really has the extreme version of sociopathy, while cindy nutured it.

[KKKKKKatie]

Wrong car, Katie.


Thank you and bbgirl....I am going to start telling people to skip and scroll past my own posts soon :tonguewag:

[Peter]

Lucky tanned dog, you!

It was one of the plastic bracelets, but with a different inscription.

My personal suspicion is that Baez didn't do the bracelet, Cindy did. It was in a sock that was dropped off with other clothes at the jail. Makes sense the clothes came from Cindy, thus the bracelet.

Plus ... the entire fiasco has Cindy written all over it. imo
Bolded: yes, I agree Cindy letting Casey know: don't worry were still going with your lie..

[need2no]

Ahh, I see. Thanks, Zeus. So it's conceivable Caylee could have survived in the trunk overnight in the spring.

Here's a pic of the trunk..maybe casey propped the back seat open just a tad for air circulation, yet no one could see Caylee as she slept (possibly drugged) in the trunk.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/CASEY-trunkextension2.jpg

[Dtviewer3]

The LE report says the computer check from Sawgrass apts in search of the anyone with the name of Zenaida Gongzales found the guest visit was in April. Sometime later a manager produced a copy of the guest card that showed the hand written date at the top as June 17.

What was interesting was the name written on the guest card c Zenaida Gongale, Did the the Zenaida that partially filled out the guest card not know how to spell her own name.

I read that the rental clerk tried to make a follow up call on her visit and the telephone she gave was not a working number.

The Zenaida that has filed the suit against the Anthonys shows her address on the filing papers as a Motel 6.

If I remember right the clerk filled out the guest card, not ZG...which could explain the spelling.

My point through all of this has been that I dont believe the ZG that filled out that guest card has ever been proven to be Zaneida 'Fernandez' Gonzalez.
The only person I have ever heard or seen mention the 'Fernandez' part was from her lawyer, after the civil case came up.

Do we have anything in the way of official documents (not including the civil case filing) that has 'Fernandez' as part of her name?

[happygert]

:laugh: You remember the ham and pizza that Henry Lee spoke of. :tonguewag:

Don't forget about the frozen peas and frozen foods...Umm imagine frozen foods still in casey's trunk after all that time.....:ohmy:

[Dtviewer3]

rotting food?


Must have been the 'invisible' rotting food that keeps getting mentioned.

Since there was no actual food found....rotting or not....:confused:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Interesting, cappie. Good to see you over here. Motel 6, huh? :mellow: Interesting about the spelling too.......

On photocopy of Aimco Guest Card on page 45, Gonzale (without the z); a similar photocopy of Aimco Guest Card on page 49 Gonzalez (has a final Z). ummmmmmmm
jmo

[Daffodil]

I still can't wrap my mind around Casey putting her child in the trunk of a car alive. I am not going to debate how hot it gets in Orlando in the springtime at night, but what if she woke up?? The terror that a child feels in their own bedroom at night..in the dark (not all kids but I have seen a few that are afraid of the dark) they wake up crying.

I just can't imagine takeing that chance that the drugs wouldn't wear off.

Of course, I am not a psychopath either! IMO!

K

I have always had a problem with parents who let their sleeping kids or babies stay in the car while they go to the door and wait to pick up their other children at nursery school or run into Keva Juice real quick. That is absolutely wrong in my book. I have thought the same thing, what if they wake up and don't see you? What if they wake up and don't see you and see a stranger(innocent) walk by the car?

[caphill]

Can you please tell me which released document dump contains the tests on the body fluids that were negative?


I will ask the question of which released document dumps show the tests as positive?

[Ladyhawk]

I still can't wrap my mind around Casey putting her child in the trunk of a car alive. I am not going to debate how hot it gets in Orlando in the springtime at night, but what if she woke up?? The terror that a child feels in their own bedroom at night..in the dark (not all kids but I have seen a few that are afraid of the dark) they wake up crying.

I just can't imagine takeing that chance that the drugs wouldn't wear off.

Of course, I am not a psychopath either! IMO!

K

I just can't see that Casey put her in the trunk when she partied. Most of the incidents where she was with friends, Cindy was watching Caylee, whether Cindy or anyone else wants to admit it or not. Even in the time prior to June when Caylee was already gone, Cindy was watching her, at least according to George. I think that's what Cindy was getting aggravated about, having to watch Caylee while Casey said she was working and was really partying.

IF she put her in there on a regular basis, she would have already experimented and had the dose correct. IMO

I believe the only time the child was in the trunk was after she was dead.

[jammies]

Don't forget about the frozen peas and frozen foods...Umm imagine frozen foods still in casey's trunk after all that time.....:ohmy:


Oh gads, think how Tony and his roomies feel..... They ate FOOD that she carried in the car!!

[really3997]

Casey Anthony defense spokesman: 3 people use the name Todd Black
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-black-baez-020309,0,5407322.story

And today, Black's company sent out an e-mail stating Todd Black is a name that's been used by three different people working on Anthony's case.

Ok can't the FBI do something about this...there has to be some law that is being broken with this bafoon(sp)

[Daffodil]

[/B]
Bolded: yes, I agree Cindy letting Casey know: don't worry were still going with your lie..

If Baez brought it to jail, he is in the wrong. He is an attorney, he should know better.

Now what would happen if you found drugs in your child's backpack and he/she claimed that someone else put it there? Even if that is the truth, isn't it still wrong? What would the police say if they found the drugs?

[happygert]

Here's a pic of the trunk..maybe casey propped the back seat open just a tad for air circulation, yet no one could see Caylee as she slept (possibly drugged) in the trunk.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/CASEY-trunkextension2.jpg


When was that picture taken? Looks like a hamper for a child on left side...umm maybe she was putting Caylee in ther to sleep what side of car did dogs hit on I cant remember...Kind of looks like the Hamper my Grandson has...

[SavannahStar]

On photocopy of Aimco Guest Card on page 45, Gonzale (without the z); a similar photocopy of Aimco Guest Card on page 49 Gonzalez (has a final Z). ummmmmmmm
jmo

Thank you, Cury.

[SavannahStar]

I just can't see that Casey put her in the trunk when she partied. Most of the incidents where she was with friends, Cindy was watching Caylee, whether Cindy or anyone else wants to admit it or not. Even in the time prior to June when Caylee was already gone, Cindy was watching her, at least according to George. I think that's what Cindy was getting aggravated about, having to watch Caylee while Casey said she was working and was really partying.

IF she put her in there on a regular basis, she would have already experimented and had the dose correct. IMO

I believe the only time the child was in the trunk was after she was dead.


Ladyhawk.....believe it or not, I was just about to post the exact same thing.

I've not bought into the theory she was ever put in the drunk drugged, and certainly not on a regular basis.

And I'm not one who voted that "Zanny" meant Xanax to Casey.

[KKKKKKatie]

When was that picture taken? Looks like a hamper for a child on left side...umm maybe she was putting Caylee in ther to sleep what side of car did dogs hit on I cant remember...Kind of looks like the Hamper my Grandson has...

IIRC the picture was taken by a poster that had the same car as Casey?

I'm I right n2n?

[bama__angel]

I will ask the question of which released document dumps show the tests as positive?



Sorry, my question didnt make sense. What I get for trying to talk on the phone, read, and also type.

[Daffodil]

I just wanted to add a small fact here tho...The Bar Association made a decision based on a legal affidavit signed by a Mr. Black...hummmm....first we hear that Mr. Todd Black is really Gil Cabot..now this company thru their comments actually worsen the whole picture..Mr. Todd Black is really THREE different people???..Wonders never cease in the fiasco decisions Mr. Jose Baez has made:ohmy:

LMS

What is that saying about the company you keep?

[need2no]

Wow, n2n. Piece of cake to pop her in there. :crying:

Didn't TonE mention that casey would go outside when she was talking to her mom or the nanny? Maybe she was really going outside to check on Caylee to be sure she was still asleep. Could also be where Caylee was at when Ricardo woke up and Caylee wasn't there even though she had been when they went to sleep.

[Dtviewer3]

I will ask the question of which released document dumps show the tests as positive?


None.

We havent seen any results from the stain testing yet.

[happygert]

oh gads, think how tony and his roomies feel..... They ate food that she carried in the car!!

omg..........

[Daffodil]

A funeral is hard enough as it is. I wonder if Georges Dr. even thinks he can handle the stress of it, public or private. I was also wondering if other family members would want to even attend if it is a public memorial due to media possibly being there.

If I lived near there, I would think I would go to a memorial under normal circumstances. But since this all about cameras, hoopla, lies and money hungry people, I would definitely not go, out of respect for Caylee.

[Neffy]

Ok can't the FBI do something about this...there has to be some law that is being broken with this bafoon(sp)


Put it this way. The low life that tried to market the Caylee Sunshine doll;no charity would ever except money from the sale of these dolls no matter how much the manufacturer tried to sugar coat it by giving to charity.

Now take Baez :rolleyes: he is accepting this PR free of charge (his claim) paid for by some Conneticut family.

Baez accepting this "donation" of PR is morally wrong and the bar will have to re open this in light of the new info to find out if it's ethically wrong also.

[WillowInFlight]

Didn't TonE mention that casey would go outside when she was talking to her mom or the nanny? Maybe she was really going outside to check on Caylee to be sure she was still asleep. Could also be where Caylee was at when Ricardo woke up and Caylee wasn't there even though she had been when they went to sleep.

Or it could be that she went outside because she didn't want them hearing her lies. :confused:

[need2no]

When was that picture taken? Looks like a hamper for a child on left side...umm maybe she was putting Caylee in ther to sleep what side of car did dogs hit on I cant remember...Kind of looks like the Hamper my Grandson has...

This pic was taken by Murt. It's not casey's car, but a car just like casey's, same model, same year, even same color.

IIRC the dog hit on the right rear of the car.

[happygert]

IIRC the picture was taken by a poster that had the same car as Casey?

I'm I right n2n?

Whew.......thought it was hers....

[Dtviewer3]

Or it could be that she went outside because she didn't want them hearing her lies. :confused:

Exactly.

I dont think there is a chance in hell Casey used to keep Caylee sleeping in the trunk of the car while she was out.

None.

[KKKKKKatie]

Put it this way. The low life that tried to market the Caylee Sunshine doll;no charity would ever except money from the sale of these dolls no matter how much the manufacturer tried to sugar coat it by giving to charity.

Now take Baez :rolleyes: he is accepting this PR free of charge (his claim) paid for by some Conneticut family.

Baez accepting this "donation" of PR is morally wrong and the bar will have to re open this in light of the new info to find out if it's ethically wrong also.

Who are these people that keep coming out of the woodwork. Like the ones putting money in Casey's account. I just don't get it :confused:

[need2no]

Or it could be that she went outside because she didn't want them hearing her lies. :confused:

Yeah, that too.

[penguinlady]

Maybe the name Zanny did come from the childrens book (that has been discussed previously) and when asked by Mr. Grund who the new babysitter was it popped into her head. Then when everything happend MAYBE she googled the name and with the listings that may have popped up (like Zeneida's myspace page) she went from there???

I don't know...just thinking here. IMO

K

[Ladyhawk]

[/B]
Bolded: yes, I agree Cindy letting Casey know: don't worry were still going with your lie..

Maybe not, maybe Cindy was sending her a message that said listen hear sweetheart, if you don't start looking and acting like Caylee being murdered is the absolute worst thing in the world for you and that you miss her terribly, you are doomed so get with the program, put on this damn bracelet, wear it where it can be seen by the cameras and don't look for me in the courtroom.

[Peter]

If Baez brought it to jail, he is in the wrong. He is an attorney, he should know better.

Now what would happen if you found drugs in your child's backpack and he/she claimed that someone else put it there? Even if that is the truth, isn't it still wrong? What would the police say if they found the drugs?


Yes, Biaz should know better, and he's wrong but I still think it was Cindy's idea. weather Biaz knew, i dont know, but it doesn't make it Ok.

[marshmallow]

Ok can't the FBI do something about this...there has to be some law that is being broken with this bafoon(sp)

especially if the Fla. Bar Assoc. accepted a letter from this Todd Black as part of their dropping of the complaints against Baez.


Does anyone know if Larry Garrison has/had ties to this Todd Black(s)?
Wasn't his job the selling of the Anthonys to the press? Couldi t be that this Todd Black(s) is paying for the defense expenses contingent upon getting the story rights if it goes to court?

(I think too much when I'm on hold)

[Lorna]

Oh gads, think how Tony and his roomies feel..... They ate FOOD that she carried in the car!!

:scared: :chicken:

[Daffodil]

I just can't see that Casey put her in the trunk when she partied. Most of the incidents where she was with friends, Cindy was watching Caylee, whether Cindy or anyone else wants to admit it or not. Even in the time prior to June when Caylee was already gone, Cindy was watching her, at least according to George. I think that's what Cindy was getting aggravated about, having to watch Caylee while Casey said she was working and was really partying.

IF she put her in there on a regular basis, she would have already experimented and had the dose correct. IMO

I believe the only time the child was in the trunk was after she was dead.

Remember that Caylee was a child and as she grew, I would imagine that Casey would have to increase the dosage. So what used to work will no longer work and she would have to figure out a new dosage.

Like a lot of posters, I go back and forth on this case. I do think Casey drugged Caylee somehow. I think she may have put her in the trunk at times. I think she drugged her at parties and let her sleep on the couch as if she was just sleeping on her own. Amy said how good she would fall asleep. I wonder why.

But with the duct tape and heart sticker..........I don't think it's an accident of any kind.

[Peter]

Maybe not, maybe Cindy was sending her a message that said listen hear sweetheart, if you don't start looking and acting like Caylee being murdered is the absolute worst thing in the world for you and that you miss her terribly, you are doomed so get with the program, put on this damn bracelet, wear it where it can be seen by the cameras and don't look for me in the courtroom.


Oh I like your Idea even better... If we only knew

[farrahrani]

I just wanted to add a small fact here tho...The Bar Association made a decision based on a legal affidavit signed by a Mr. Black...hummmm....first we hear that Mr. Todd Black is really Gil Cabot..now this company thru their comments actually worsen the whole picture..Mr. Todd Black is really THREE different people???..Wonders never cease in the fiasco decisions Mr. Jose Baez has made:ohmy:

LMS

Is that affadavit still valid, now that we know there is no 'Todd Black' ?

[CC I See]

Didn't TonE mention that casey would go outside when she was talking to her mom or the nanny? Maybe she was really going outside to check on Caylee to be sure she was still asleep. Could also be where Caylee was at when Ricardo woke up and Caylee wasn't there even though she had been when they went to sleep.... in Florida in the summer it is hot and humid and would be very difficult to sleep in a car. If the windows were down, mosquitoes would be a big problem. If the mosquitoes are like the ones in Texas, they are huge and bug spray does not always keep them away. Caylee would have to be knocked out to endure such a thing. :cursing:

[happy2bme]

Or it could be that she went outside because she didn't want them hearing her lies. :confused:


Exactly!:mad:

[really3997]

If I lived near there, I would think I would go to a memorial under normal circumstances. But since this all about cameras, hoopla, lies and money hungry people, I would definitely not go, out of respect for Caylee.

I live close too and I will not go either...I feel this is all about Cindy not Caylee..JMO

[ConchGirl]

Key words here: out of respect for Caylee! I have a feeling this memorial service is all about Cindy! So very sad. :thumbdown:

Isn't EVERYTHING about Cindy?

[steffaroob4]

Expert: PR Firm Representing Baez May Hurt Casey Anthony (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18631509/detail.html)
Spokesman Uses Fake Name

[eastside joe]

Didn't TonE mention that casey would go outside when she was talking to her mom or the nanny? Maybe she was really going outside to check on Caylee to be sure she was still asleep. Could also be where Caylee was at when Ricardo woke up and Caylee wasn't there even though she had been when they went to sleep.

Partly correct. He stated she would go outside the apartment when she was talking to her mom. He never stated that he was aware of any conversation between Casey and the nanny. IMO

[scillak]

Well we have......it was testing with "ALS", I believe......to check for blood and such.

There was a reported area that I remember in reading that was above the driver seat, and possibly another area (which I believe Unperson was referring) that were questionable, but nothing in the trunk from this particular test with "ALS".

They tested the carpet in the trunk that had the stain. They tested for various chemicals and they performed control tests on two pieces of carpet from Sunbirds, not from Casey's car. The tests showed elevated levels of different chemicals that are associated with decomposition in the stained carpet from Casey's car (control samples didn't have the elevated levels). I can't be any more specific. I read the spreadsheet with the chemical names and what-not, but I didn't try to memorize anything. You need to go and read the test results for the car.

[Ladyhawk]

In the most recent docs, in a follow-up interview with Ricardo Morales, I was surprised to read (and I hope I have this right, if I don't I know someone will let me know) that shortly after he started dating Casey, Caylee spent 4-5 nights a week with them at his apartment.

That's the first official thing I've come across that indicates there were indeed spans of time when Caylee was not at home with Cindy and George.

So with that in mind, I can imagine that Casey also took Caylee with her when she started dating TonE, except that TonE didn't want Caylee around his apartment.

That's where the trunk comes into play in my imaginings. It didn't happen for an extended period, but it became Casey's place to stash Caylee when she was shacking up with TonE.

Now what she was telling Cindy about her whereabouts, especially during the Ricardo days, is a complete mystery.

Don't we only have about 2 weeks from when she started dating TonE until there was no Caylee? The first week of June, Cindy's birthday, Cindy was on vacation that week and she had Caylee that entire week...she kept waiting for Casey to show but she didn't (and I think she was p.o.'d about it). So, that leaves just a few more days....the 9th of June they were swimming IRRC, then from the 9th to the 16th is what, a week? We need to know where she was every night from the 9th to the 16th to see if we can figure out where Caylee was also.

[need2no]

That's my thinking. Maybe Caylee was fussing that particular night at Ricardo's, or maybe Casey wanted to wake Ricardo up in, shall I say, an adult manner that morning ... who knows? I don't think Cindy called for Caylee. I've never believed that one and can't recall where it even originated.

If Cindy called and the phone woke casey up and she had a convo with mom it seems like Ricardo would have also been woken up. Also I don't think casey would jump up and immediately rush to take Caylee home at Cindy's direction. I agree with your 2 possible scenarios.

From what we've read it seems Ricardo interacted with Caylee more than TonE did. Maybe TonE just isn't a kid kinda guy, girls or boys, and maybe he was more of social/party guy than Ricardo was...so sitting around an apartment with a toddler underfoot wasn't an option.

[desmom]

On photocopy of Aimco Guest Card on page 45, Gonzale (without the z); a similar photocopy of Aimco Guest Card on page 49 Gonzalez (has a final Z). ummmmmmmm
jmo

Good Eye Cury!

Page 45 is minus the Z. Page 46 is ZG's written statement to LE. Could this have been her copy? Maybe she noticed the missing Z and the employee corrected the Company copy.

Page 49 has a Z and is followed by documents from Sawgrass.
Page 55 has a Z and is followed by Sawgrass employee's statements.

:shrug:

[need2no]

Partly correct. He stated she would go outside the apartment when she was talking to her mom. He never stated that he was aware of any conversation between Casey and the nanny. IMO

I stand corrected, thank you.

[Daffodil]

That's my thinking. Maybe Caylee was fussing that particular night at Ricardo's, or maybe Casey wanted to wake Ricardo up in, shall I say, an adult manner that morning ... who knows? I don't think Cindy called for Caylee. I've never believed that one and can't recall where it even originated.

I agree. That night always seemed suspicious to me. I even thought it could have been Caylee's last night since it was also the June 9th date.

[BJames]

There was some type of organic/biological matter or the maggots couldn't have been there. So when Cindy said there were maggots she wasn't lying.

I believe the maggots were there not because of rotting food...but because at some point there was a dead body for them to feed on...or at least body fluids in the trunk.

jUST MY OPINION OF COURSE..

[IM4Truth]

Expert: PR Firm Representing Baez May Hurt Casey Anthony (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18631509/detail.html)
Spokesman Uses Fake Name

Not only that but I was just reading where Jose Baez may have hurt his own request for COV by appearing on national TV himself! It said the prosecution could use that as an arguement against COV since he is whining about the publicity. Remember JB never saw a camera he didn't love.

[jammies]

Prime News with Mike G. up next.

[IM4Truth]

Partly correct. He stated she would go outside the apartment when she was talking to her mom. He never stated that he was aware of any conversation between Casey and the nanny. IMO

I always go outside to talk on my cell because it doesn't seem to get good reception inside anywhere. But that was a good point, Casey could have also been checking up on Caylee when she was going outside!

[~jomomma~]

Prime News with Mike G. up next.

i just saw that! casey is taking the 5th in answering those questions?

sorry...that's the first i heard that!

[ConchGirl]

If Cindy called and the phone woke casey up and she had a convo with mom it seems like Ricardo would have also been woken up. Also I don't think casey would jump up and immediately rush to take Caylee home at Cindy's direction. I agree with your 2 possible scenarios.

From what we've read it seems Ricardo interacted with Caylee more than TonE did. Maybe TonE just isn't a kid kinda guy, girls or boys, and maybe he was more of social/party guy than Ricardo was...so sitting around an apartment with a toddler underfoot wasn't an option.

ITA. IIRC Ricardo said they rarely went out. They just stayed at the apartment. I think that's when Casey started using the Zanny thing with Cindy. She didn't want Cindy to know that she was sleeping at a guys apartment being the virgin that she was. Zanny had drums just like Ricardo. When TonE came along he liked to hit the clubs and it was part of his job. Casey the chameleon reveled in the new role and there was no one to babysit Caylee in this new found life. So she killed Caylee and solved her problem. Very sick and only my opinion.

[Dogmatic]

I believe the maggots were there not because of rotting food...but because at some point there was a dead body for them to feed on...or at least body fluids in the trunk.

jUST MY OPINION OF COURSE..

Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but it is my understanding that it would take uncooked flesh or meat to produce maggots.

So unless that pizza came from a raw sushi place...............

[IM4Truth]

Not even a chance in hell? You say that as though Casey couldn't possibly be that careless with her daughter or something.

How is it that Casey the baby killer couldn't possibly be Casey the mother who drugged her daughter and popped her in the trunk?

Where does Dtviewer3 think Caylee was when she wasn't with Casey or Cindy? Does that poster think Zanny really existed? I think she was in the trunk, not so sure about the chloroform until the end, but maybe overdosing her with cough meds or something like that to make her sleep.

[Kathlb]

Glenn Selig
Gil Cabot
Patrick McKenna
??????

The whole danged company is probably ol' Gil sitting in a small one room apartment without air conditioning and his feet up on the coffee table watching a little old black and white tv and hanging on the phone trying his best to make money off of anyone and everyone. :laugh::thumbup:

[eastside joe]

I agree. That night always seemed suspicious to me. I even thought it could have been Caylee's last night since it was also the June 9th date.

No it wasn't. Caylee visited great grandfather on June 15th. There is video proof of that. You may have seen it.

[Dogmatic]

ITA. IIRC Ricardo said they rarely went out. They just stayed at the apartment. I think that's when Casey started using the Zanny thing with Cindy. She didn't want Cindy to know that she was sleeping at a guys apartment being the virgin that she was. Zanny had drums just like Ricardo. When TonE came along he liked to hit the clubs and it was part of his job. Casey the chameleon reveled in the new role and there was no one to babysit Caylee in this new found life. So she killed Caylee and solved her problem. Very sick and only my opinion.

I think you are dead on.

The drums that Caylee might speak of belonged to Ricardo, but Casey made up a lie that Zanny had a set so that Cindy wouldn't know how much time Caylee was spending at Ricardo's.

I think Casey used the fiction of Zanny to explain away alot of what Caylee started speaking of. I think Caylee probably lost her life because of her graduated speech and what she was telling Cindy. The cat was almost out of the bag........Mommy doesn't work, I don't have a Nanny, blah blah blah

[IM4Truth]

They tested the carpet in the trunk that had the stain. They tested for various chemicals and they performed control tests on two pieces of carpet from Sunbirds, not from Casey's car. The tests showed elevated levels of different chemicals that are associated with decomposition in the stained carpet from Casey's car (control samples didn't have the elevated levels). I can't be any more specific. I read the spreadsheet with the chemical names and what-not, but I didn't try to memorize anything. You need to go and read the test results for the car.

I seem to remember most of this but I thought the tests on the carpets of the other cars tested with low levels of chlorform but Casey's car had elevated?

[desmom]

http://www.rcmp-learning.org/docs/ecdd0030.htm

Maggots - .....If the remains were on a slope, the body fluids will seep downhill and insects will be found here, feeding on the fluids....

[5boxersmom]

I think you are dead on.

The drums that Caylee might speak of belonged to Ricardo, but Casey made up a lie that Zanny had a set so that Cindy wouldn't know how much time Caylee was spending at Ricardo's.

I think Casey used the fiction of Zanny to explain away alot of what Caylee started speaking of. I think Caylee probably lost her life because of her graduated speech and what she was telling Cindy. The cat was almost out of the bag........Mommy doesn't work, I don't have a Nanny, blah blah blah

I have often wondered if Caylee didn't tell Cindy something on the 15th and that is what lead to the fight instead of the money stolen from the grandparents.

jmo

[IM4Truth]

Don't we only have about 2 weeks from when she started dating TonE until there was no Caylee? The first week of June, Cindy's birthday, Cindy was on vacation that week and she had Caylee that entire week...she kept waiting for Casey to show but she didn't (and I think she was p.o.'d about it). So, that leaves just a few more days....the 9th of June they were swimming IRRC, then from the 9th to the 16th is what, a week? We need to know where she was every night from the 9th to the 16th to see if we can figure out where Caylee was also.

Didn't Cindy waiver on keeping Caylee the week of her birthday, first saying she was going to go to Fort Myers to see George's parents but didn't go, stayed home, waiting for Casey to bring Caylee home. Then Cindy did say something about taking Caylee to Publix with her. I don't think Cindy had her during that time, I think Casey was running all over town with her.

[Janz]

ITA. IIRC Ricardo said they rarely went out. They just stayed at the apartment. I think that's when Casey started using the Zanny thing with Cindy. She didn't want Cindy to know that she was sleeping at a guys apartment being the virgin that she was. Zanny had drums just like Ricardo. When TonE came along he liked to hit the clubs and it was part of his job. Casey the chameleon reveled in the new role and there was no one to babysit Caylee in this new found life. So she killed Caylee and solved her problem. Very sick and only my opinion.

Just jumping in here, I agree totally ConchGirl. With all the craziness of the many characters involved in this case it all simply boils down to just that: She is the murderer of her own child.

[IM4Truth]

If Cindy called and the phone woke casey up and she had a convo with mom it seems like Ricardo would have also been woken up. Also I don't think casey would jump up and immediately rush to take Caylee home at Cindy's direction. I agree with your 2 possible scenarios.

From what we've read it seems Ricardo interacted with Caylee more than TonE did. Maybe TonE just isn't a kid kinda guy, girls or boys, and maybe he was more of social/party guy than Ricardo was...so sitting around an apartment with a toddler underfoot wasn't an option.

I think TonE really did like Caylee a lot but he was mature enough to know that she shouldn't be there when they were all partying.

[IM4Truth]

I agree. That night always seemed suspicious to me. I even thought it could have been Caylee's last night since it was also the June 9th date.

The Father's Day video blows the June 9th date though.

[Ladyhawk]

I agree. That night always seemed suspicious to me. I even thought it could have been Caylee's last night since it was also the June 9th date.

I don't see how the 9th of June could have been Caylee's last night since there is a video of her at the assisted living center with her great grandfather plus the confirming statements from the ASL staff.

[CC I See]

ITA. IIRC Ricardo said they rarely went out. They just stayed at the apartment. I think that's when Casey started using the Zanny thing with Cindy. She didn't want Cindy to know that she was sleeping at a guys apartment being the virgin that she was. Zanny had drums just like Ricardo. When TonE came along he liked to hit the clubs and it was part of his job. Casey the chameleon reveled in the new role and there was no one to babysit Caylee in this new found life. So she killed Caylee and solved her problem. Very sick and only my opinion. bolding mine

... and add to this the missed trip to Puerto Rico that she really wanted to go on and had no one to watch Caylee and you have motive.

BTW: Why couldn't the Nanny watch Caylee. You know, the one that loved her so much that she babysat for free and was so financially well off that she had everything for Caylee including clothes, car seat and toys at her home. The one who loved Caylee so much that she kidnapped her and then for some really strange reason killed her and dumped her body down the street from the Anthony's home.

The fact that ANY ONE would believe such a story is very frightening to me.

[IM4Truth]

I believe the maggots were there not because of rotting food...but because at some point there was a dead body for them to feed on...or at least body fluids in the trunk.

jUST MY OPINION OF COURSE..

I agree with your opinion, I believe we heard the maggots were on the outside of that garbage bag, not the inside.

[ishkabibble]

Partly correct. He stated she would go outside the apartment when she was talking to her mom. He never stated that he was aware of any conversation between Casey and the nanny. IMO

yes, I guess the conversations got heated.OR she did not want Tony to hear her tell Mom Caylee was somewhere when she had already told Tony she was with the Mom.

[IM4Truth]

snipped for space

Hi all, just getting on. Am I hearing right, we have 3 Todd Blacks in one company? Is this like the 3 invizzies: nanny, Zachary and Juliette??

True, but at least we know one Todd Black has a voice, or maybe all 3 of them do. Will the real Todd Black please stand up?

[5boxersmom]

I've had that thought, too, 5boxers. Maybe Caylee spilled some of Casey's beans, and that's what caused the fight. That could also explain why Casey was enraged at Caylee. The duct tape fits ("I'll shut her up!") and the heart sticker as an added touch.

Have we ever seen anything in the docs to indicate that the 15th was the first time Cindy heard of the money stolen from her parents? I'm confused on the timing there. Are we just assuming that because Cindy visited her mom that day, that it was the day she first heard of the theft?

You know not that you mention it I was thinking there was something in the emails between the ggm and her sister that made me think Cindy knew about it before. Maybe it was the date. Didn't it happen in April?

I need to reread those but I don't have time now.

jmo

[jammies]

The whole danged company is probably ol' Gil sitting in a small one room apartment without air conditioning and his feet up on the coffee table watching a little old black and white tv and hanging on the phone trying his best to make money off of anyone and everyone. :laugh::thumbup:


:thumbsup: Great visual!!

[IM4Truth]

i just saw that! casey is taking the 5th in answering those questions?

sorry...that's the first i heard that!

I thought I heard that she couldn't plead the 5th on those questions because of her counter claim against ZG. Did JB drop the counter claim?

[Dogmatic]

I agree with your opinion, I believe we heard the maggots were on the outside of that garbage bag, not the inside.

And I still say that unless memory fails me, maggots are found on raw or uncooked meat or flesh. Not on food that is processed or cooked. IMO

[eastside joe]

What I am interested in finding out?

1) Text messages between Casey and Tony Lazarro evening of June 15 into the early morning hours of June 16. Do these 90 + text messages sent back and forth over 8 hours and 15 minutes reveal any evidence as to her state of mind? IMO - The text messages will reveal her state of mind and be damaging for the defense.

2) Annie - Did she have prior knowledge of Casey drugging Caylee? Did she supply Xanax to Casey? Also did she know if Zanny the Nanny was ficticious? IMO - Not sure. Casey did text Jesse stating she could obtain Xanax and they could have a good time.

3) What did LE remove from Casey's wallet when Lee returned her belongings from Tony's apartment on July 16? Was it a fake ID? And, if so, was the fake ID in the name of Zenaida Gonzales? IMO - Not sure, but would be a "bombshell" for the prosecution if this was true. IMO

[ishkabibble]

Makes a lot of sense to me, actually.

She was making it up as she went along, over a short time span. Perhaps she tried one drug, then another, testing to see what did what and for how long. Since she didn't know what she was doing and didn't particularly care, it's conceivable she overdosed her and killed her. The duct tape may have been a method of keeping her quiet if she awoke, and could have been a short lived thing as well, thus the lack of marks on Caylee's skin. Or perhaps a cloth was placed under the duct tape when she used it.

I think the Xanax experimentation on Caylee pre-dated any of this, but I do think the original Zanny references had to do with Xanax.

I'm not married to the theory. But I can work a number of the pieces of evidence and references into it.

i'm thinking Casey was out of the house a lot 1st week of June. Cindy was on vacation from work and she, Casey and Caylee were supposed to have bonding time that week. That is what Cindy's coworkers told LE. But when CIndy came back to work she told them that Casey had dumped Caylee on her most of the week and took off. Thisis right when her relationship with Tony started to heat up.

[Kathlb]

A few more tidbits on Gil... if you go to the blog below and scroll down to the fourth post, they state that In the 1989 Los Angeles Times report on Cabot, he was described as a con-artist and Hollywood predator. And that he has ties to Tampa and multiple entertainment companies.

They also say that there is a 2004 Internet listing for a company called Story Brokers, which lists its contact as "G.A. Cabot," the description states: "Acquires true-story properties and partners with actor-owned production companies for actors to star in or produce/direct."Another company Cabot has ties to is called Watsup Productions, where he is listed as an officer/director in annual Florida corporate filings.

And they claim that faxes that Watsup Productions sent the state of Florida for its filings appear to come from the same place as Black's Anthony-related press releases.

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/

[gaelicpeas]

Don't we only have about 2 weeks from when she started dating TonE until there was no Caylee? The first week of June, Cindy's birthday, Cindy was on vacation that week and she had Caylee that entire week...she kept waiting for Casey to show but she didn't (and I think she was p.o.'d about it). So, that leaves just a few more days....the 9th of June they were swimming IRRC, then from the 9th to the 16th is what, a week? We need to know where she was every night from the 9th to the 16th to see if we can figure out where Caylee was also.IIRC, in the last doc dump, Cindy's coworkers said Cindy was complaining that she had Caylee too much, so maybe Caylee was at home until whatever happened on June 15. JMO

[IM4Truth]

I never thought I would feel sorry for Casey but everyone is entitled to at least a competent defense. Casey has Baez and LKB :drool: appearing in the attempted role of lawyers, three fake (It Doesn't Matter) Todd Black felon-spokespeople and 2008's worst cheerleader Cindy Shut Up Anthony (recently named by The Darwin Exception).

That just isn't fair.

The defense team is Casey's CHOICE and her choice alone. Fair?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Good Eye Cury!

Page 45 is minus the Z. Page 46 is ZG's written statement to LE. Could this have been her copy? Maybe she noticed the missing Z and the employee corrected the Company copy.

Page 49 has a Z and is followed by documents from Sawgrass.
Page 55 has a Z and is followed by Sawgrass employee's statements.

:shrug:

Not really that observant, Des. Today, I noticed the word "AGAIN" for the first time in GA's statement (Page 36), when GA talks about calling LA and telling him briefly about Casey AGAIN. For a guy of few statement words, is the word important?
jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Good Eye Cury!

Page 45 is minus the Z. Page 46 is ZG's written statement to LE. Could this have been her copy? Maybe she noticed the missing Z and the employee corrected the Company copy.

Page 49 has a Z and is followed by documents from Sawgrass.
Page 55 has a Z and is followed by Sawgrass employee's statements.

:shrug:IIRC, I believe it was the manager of Sawgrass that said something about filling it out with the Hispanic spelling because she was speaking Spanish. Am I imagining that? I will go look at his statement.... JMO

[Dogmatic]

Cooked and processed food do eventually rot aka decompose.

Adding....but yes I know what you are saying....and not sure how soon it would occur in this situation, with heat, etc.

I think maggots are indicitive of raw meat and or flesh/bodily fluids. Anyone?

[ConchGirl]

There is definately something wrong with Jose..His presentations in the courtroom, his filing motions inproperly, his associations with felonious PR Firm, his use of Private Investigators that turn on him geesh, I could go on..He is not serving his client well, if even in a professional manner!!..Whats with his fighting not to gag information release, or to gag both sides from speaking publically, not to mention his claiming stuff that isnt true...like hearing about duct tape from the media... stated via LKB..It is behavior like that ..that totally destroys his credibility to the public, and to the eventual jury of this case!!Now, who is responsible for tainting any jury pool?..It sure isnt LE at least in my opinion!

LMS

Come on Lynda, he's very proud that he's the first Hispanic to have a high profile case. :wink: I think Strickland needs to step in a remove Jose for his lack of experience and lack of ethics. Casey deserves a fair trial. IMO

[gaelicpeas]

I agree. That night always seemed suspicious to me. I even thought it could have been Caylee's last night since it was also the June 9th date.I could be wrong, but I thought it was sometime in April?

[IM4Truth]

Casey takes the 5th ! In answering ZFG's questions.. If you were not guilty, why wouldn't you answer the questions???

Especially the one "is this the ZG that was your nanny and that you handed the child off to"? That is the only question that needs to be answered to clear this ZG's name. Casey just has to admit she wasn't THE Zanny Nanny.

[Dogmatic]

Especially the one "is this the ZG that was your nanny and that you handed the child off to"? That is the only question that needs to be answered to clear this ZG's name. Casey just has to admit she wasn't THE Zanny Nanny.


She may not be able to do that, because the defense may still be planning to use it as her defense.

[trich]

Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but it is my understanding that it would take uncooked flesh or meat to produce maggots.

So unless that pizza came from a raw sushi place...............

there was no pizza left in the box and even if there were ...experiments were done with every kind of pizza imaginable and none of it produced maggots or decomp.
I think I remember that correctly.

[Kathlb]

omg... she searched for Zenaida online and visited her myspace before Zenaida was at Sawgrass... holy moly this case is unbelievable :ohmy:

Just when I start to think that we know whats going on with a certain aspect of the case... i find out something else that tosses everything up in the air again

good grief... so she knew about Zenaida ahead of time... well that blows my theory that she knew about Zenaida from the day she went to Sawgrass

and did we find out for sure if Casey told LE that Zanny had 2 kids? cause now I've read that she did on one site and that she didn't on another site.

:confused:

Are you trying to make me crazy, 'cause it's working. :lol:

[gaelicpeas]

Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but it is my understanding that it would take uncooked flesh or meat to produce maggots.

So unless that pizza came from a raw sushi place...............Didn't Fusion serve sushi? Not that I think that is where the maggots originated....

[Pruddennce]

Didn't Cindy waiver on keeping Caylee the week of her birthday, first saying she was going to go to Fort Myers to see George's parents but didn't go, stayed home, waiting for Casey to bring Caylee home. Then Cindy did say something about taking Caylee to Publix with her. I don't think Cindy had her during that time, I think Casey was running all over town with her.

there were two vacation weeks. in fact, a secondhand account from co-workers indicate that Cindy did in fact have Caylee the week of her birthday, and casey never showed up or called and from what Cindy told her co-workers, Casey wasnt around much.

the second week is the end of June, thru the 4th of July week, wherein casey has now been gone from the home since the 15th.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530509.pdf

best regards,
Pru

[Dogmatic]

omg... she searched for Zenaida online and visited her myspace before Zenaida was at Sawgrass... holy moly this case is unbelievable :ohmy:

Just when I start to think that we know whats going on with a certain aspect of the case... i find out something else that tosses everything up in the air again

good grief... so she knew about Zenaida ahead of time... well that blows my theory that she knew about Zenaida from the day she went to Sawgrass

and did we find out for sure if Casey told LE that Zanny had 2 kids? cause now I've read that she did on one site and that she didn't on another site.

:confused:

It's amazing how much you can find out about a person on My Space.

[IM4Truth]

I don't see how the 9th of June could have been Caylee's last night since there is a video of her at the assisted living center with her great grandfather plus the confirming statements from the ASL staff.

I think there was an arguement on June 9th and Casey left with Caylee then. She didn't return until Father's Day. Fight that night about money, Casey grabs Caylee and runs again. This is where they were all starting with the June 9th date. It was probably Cindy telling Casey to go out and find an apartment and be responsible for her daughter.

[ishkabibble]

Okay, so it seems Cindy did have Caylee quite a bit that week. Which puts Casey's "full time mothering" of Caylee starting right after that week. And in under two weeks, Caylee was dead.

and I think Cindy was not in the best of moods after wasting a vacation taken to bond with her daughter and granddaughter and getting dumped and relagated to babysitter for the week. She was itching for show down with Casey. I think it didn't take much to set her off Father's Day.

[5boxersmom]

I don't know the date, but it seems to me it was a done deal by mid-June. Money was already replaced by Cindy even? So a fight over that particular subject on the 15th of June doesn't make as much sense if the theft was back in April. April makes sense, now that I think of it, because didn't Casey use the routing numbers on her birthday check (March birthday) to steal the money?

Yep. Wonder when Cindy paid the ggp's back? Yes about the birthday check.

[Ladyhawk]

Didn't Cindy waiver on keeping Caylee the week of her birthday, first saying she was going to go to Fort Myers to see George's parents but didn't go, stayed home, waiting for Casey to bring Caylee home. Then Cindy did say something about taking Caylee to Publix with her. I don't think Cindy had her during that time, I think Casey was running all over town with her.

I'm oretty sure it was the July vacation when she was waiting for the promised Caylee return. I really feel that in June Cindy had Caylee that week and Cindy was waiting for Casey so the 3 of them could go on a trip. I think it is in one of Cindy's co-workers statements.....I'll go look.

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

[desmom]

Thanks, there were a few posts about decomp last night, I actually found another article that seem to be written very well.

Decomp (http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/decomposition)

Thanks. I bookmarked it and will check it later. I can handle only so many decomp articles in one day.

[Dogmatic]

there was no pizza left in the box and even if there were ...experiments were done with every kind of pizza imaginable and none of it produced maggots or decomp.
I think I remember that correctly.

That's what I remember also. In other words, there had to have been a dead body in that trunk for maggots to be there.

Just like the dogs told us. There was a dead body in the trunk and something that touched that dead body or the body itself was in the back yard of the Ant home.

[IM4Truth]

Thought they were found on a napkin, tissue, or paper towel, inside the bag....didn't hear it was stuck to the bag.

I think Lenny said they were on the outside of the bag.

[gaelicpeas]

I have often wondered if Caylee didn't tell Cindy something on the 15th and that is what lead to the fight instead of the money stolen from the grandparents.

jmoI think that is a good possibility, Boxermom... Casey had stolen in the past, although albeit not from her grandparents, and it didn't seem to have much consequence.

[Pruddennce]

omg... she searched for Zenaida online and visited her myspace before Zenaida was at Sawgrass... holy moly this case is unbelievable :ohmy:

Just when I start to think that we know whats going on with a certain aspect of the case... i find out something else that tosses everything up in the air again

good grief... so she knew about Zenaida ahead of time... well that blows my theory that she knew about Zenaida from the day she went to Sawgrass

and did we find out for sure if Casey told LE that Zanny had 2 kids? cause now I've read that she did on one site and that she didn't on another site.

:confused:

let me clarify Kit, that was my opinion as to what transpired as to her searches...possibly finding Z's myspace.....but what is fact: a search for Zenaida began BEFORE caylee went missing....

best regards,
Pru

[jammies]

IIRC, in the last doc dump, Cindy's coworkers said Cindy was complaining that she had Caylee too much, so maybe Caylee was at home until whatever happened on June 15. JMO


I think things were brewing in the spring. Probably a FIRST blowup about the time Casey was doing the online searches. Parents wanted HER to take responsibility for Caylee so that's when she started dragging her around at night, drugging her, etc. SOMETHING happened around the 15th, whether it was the stolen money, her staying out all night w/Caylee or whatever.
Add the new bf that didn't want Caylee around and she finally put into works what she had been mulling over for months.

[IM4Truth]

And I still say that unless memory fails me, maggots are found on raw or uncooked meat or flesh. Not on food that is processed or cooked. IMO

But couldn't the maggots remain on the outside of the bag if it was in the trunk next to the decomposing body? Bodily fluids on the bag?

[gaelicpeas]

Didn't Cindy waiver on keeping Caylee the week of her birthday, first saying she was going to go to Fort Myers to see George's parents but didn't go, stayed home, waiting for Casey to bring Caylee home. Then Cindy did say something about taking Caylee to Publix with her. I don't think Cindy had her during that time, I think Casey was running all over town with her.My memory was that Cindy told a coworker that all 3 of them were going to "bond" during that early June vacation, but that Cindy ended up having Caylee the whole week. I could be wrong, though... (lol, I now have 3 interviews to find - coworker, Sawgrass Mgr, and Ricardo!)

[IM4Truth]

What I am interested in finding out?

1) Text messages between Casey and Tony Lazarro evening of June 15 into the early morning hours of June 16. Do these 90 + text messages sent back and forth over 8 hours and 15 minutes reveal any evidence as to her state of mind? IMO - The text messages will reveal her state of mind and be damaging for the defense.

2) Annie - Did she have prior knowledge of Casey drugging Caylee? Did she supply Xanax to Casey? Also did she know if Zanny the Nanny was ficticious? IMO - Not sure. Casey did text Jesse stating she could obtain Xanax and they could have a good time.

3) What did LE remove from Casey's wallet when Lee returned her belongings from Tony's apartment on July 16? Was it a fake ID? And, if so, was the fake ID in the name of Zenaida Gonzales? IMO - Not sure, but would be a "bombshell" for the prosecution if this was true. IMO

I think most of us on here want to know those things too.

[Dogmatic]

But couldn't the maggots remain on the outside of the bag if it was in the trunk next to the decomposing body? Bodily fluids on the bag?


Absolutely. But I think the Anthony's would like us to think that the pizza box created the maggots. I say " I don't think so" to that idea.

[dixie77]

So if Casey pleads the 5th, then its over? Or does the A's still have to answer?

[ConchGirl]

and I think Cindy was not in the best of moods after wasting a vacation taken to bond with her daughter and granddaughter and getting dumped and relagated to babysitter for the week. She was itching for show down with Casey. I think it didn't take much to set her off Father's Day.

Bonding is so Cindy speak. Why in the world would she need to bond with them when they all lived together? GMAB Casey and Cindy are cut from the same cloth. Cindy leading co-workers to believe that Casey had this great job and a nanny. Casey showing up at Cindy's work with her Universal ID, playing the game. Appearances are important you know. Casey telling all of her friends that she was an event planner and went to college. I think both of them lived in a fantasy world. I sure hope George gets the help he needs to cope with this madness. IMO

[gaelicpeas]

I've had that thought, too, 5boxers. Maybe Caylee spilled some of Casey's beans, and that's what caused the fight. That could also explain why Casey was enraged at Caylee. The duct tape fits ("I'll shut her up!") and the heart sticker as an added touch.

Have we ever seen anything in the docs to indicate that the 15th was the first time Cindy heard of the money stolen from her parents? I'm confused on the timing there. Are we just assuming that because Cindy visited her mom that day, that it was the day she first heard of the theft?I have never read it confirmed in the docs that Cindy first heard of the theft on June 15.

[IM4Truth]

I don't know the date, but it seems to me it was a done deal by mid-June. Money was already replaced by Cindy even? So a fight over that particular subject on the 15th of June doesn't make as much sense if the theft was back in April. April makes sense, now that I think of it, because didn't Casey use the routing numbers on her birthday check (March birthday) to steal the money?

There was at least one or two more thefts from the ggp. One was a check at Winn Dixie and one was to pay for a cell phone. I believe those were prior to the 15th incident.

[jammies]

let me clarify Kit, that was my opinion as to what transpired as to her searches...possibly finding Z's myspace.....but what is fact: a search for Zenaida began BEFORE caylee went missing....

best regards,
Pru



THe only thing I can come up with is: she had been using the name Zanny so had to find a person that matched the name, could find info on, and blame later.

[WillowInFlight]

So if Casey pleads the 5th, then its over? Or does the A's still have to answer?

I thought because Casey filed a counter suit, she can't take the 5th?

[Pruddennce]

I think there was an arguement on June 9th and Casey left with Caylee then. She didn't return until Father's Day. Fight that night about money, Casey grabs Caylee and runs again. This is where they were all starting with the June 9th date. It was probably Cindy telling Casey to go out and find an apartment and be responsible for her daughter.

its interesting you stated that IM4.....initially I had thought the same thing: that the 8th (for Cindy) and the 9th of June (for Casey) was a day (weekend) of significance......

also, its been substantiated she stayed at Ricardo's the evening of June 9 I believe or 10th?

I find it hard to wrap my head around the Anthonys constantly making reference to dates, and the last time Caylee was with Cynthia was Father's day....why throw a date out there instead of simply saying FATHER's DAY....that day had significance, a 'name'....yet Cindy begins the investigation with a date instead 'hallmark card day'......

that still sticks in my mind.....and the fact that casey went along with that date, although she was counting 31 days which DID NOT put the missing date to June 9th....

significance...since Cindy's birthday was June 5th....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Dells]

I think it should be released to him via sock :w00t: as soon as it's available.

:laugh: That's hilarious!

[gaelicpeas]

I don't know the date, but it seems to me it was a done deal by mid-June. Money was already replaced by Cindy even? So a fight over that particular subject on the 15th of June doesn't make as much sense if the theft was back in April. April makes sense, now that I think of it, because didn't Casey use the routing numbers on her birthday check (March birthday) to steal the money?I am pretty sure the theft from Shirley occurred in April. JMO, and yet another interview to find!

[need2no]

My memory was that Cindy told a coworker that all 3 of them were going to "bond" during that early June vacation, but that Cindy ended up having Caylee the whole week. I could be wrong, though... (lol, I now have 3 interviews to find - coworker, Sawgrass Mgr, and Ricardo!)

Do we have any proof that Caylee was with Cindy the 1st week of June?

[IM4Truth]

there were two vacation weeks. in fact, a secondhand account from co-workers indicate that Cindy did in fact have Caylee the week of her birthday, and casey never showed up or called and from what Cindy told her co-workers, Casey wasnt around much.

the second week is the end of June, thru the 4th of July week, wherein casey has now been gone from the home since the 15th.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530509.pdf

best regards,
Pru

I'm thinking that 2nd week of vacation was when Cindy was supposed to go to Ft Myers to see inl-laws. Funny they never mentioned George going with her to see his own parents.

[ConchGirl]

its interesting you stated that IM4.....initially I had thought the same thing: that the 8th (for Cindy) and the 9th of June (for Casey) was a day (weekend) of significance......

also, its been substantiated she stayed at Ricardo's the evening of June 9 I believe or 10th?

I find it hard to wrap my head around the Anthonys constantly making reference to dates, and the last time Caylee was with Cynthia was Father's day....why throw a date out there instead of simply saying FATHER's DAY....that day had significance, a 'name'....yet Cindy begins the investigation with a date instead 'hallmark card day'......

that still sticks in my mind.....and the fact that casey went along with that date, although she was counting 31 days which DID NOT put the missing date to June 9th....

significance...since Cindy's birthday was June 5th....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Casey was the only one who told the truth about the 31 days (if anyone would have counted back) That was hard to type Casey told the truth Cindy set the date and the good soldiers followed her lead. IMO

[Pruddennce]

My memory was that Cindy told a coworker that all 3 of them were going to "bond" during that early June vacation, but that Cindy ended up having Caylee the whole week. I could be wrong, though... (lol, I now have 3 interviews to find - coworker, Sawgrass Mgr, and Ricardo!)

co-workers:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530509.pdf

best regards,
Pru

[dixie77]

I thought because Casey filed a counter suit, she can't take the 5th?
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I'm totally confused, Willow.

[gaelicpeas]

there were two vacation weeks. in fact, a secondhand account from co-workers indicate that Cindy did in fact have Caylee the week of her birthday, and casey never showed up or called and from what Cindy told her co-workers, Casey wasnt around much.

the second week is the end of June, thru the 4th of July week, wherein casey has now been gone from the home since the 15th.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530509.pdf

best regards,
PruThanks, Pru! Saved me from finding that one anyway...

[happy2bme]

You know not that you mention it I was thinking there was something in the emails between the ggm and her sister that made me think Cindy knew about it before. Maybe it was the date. Didn't it happen in April?

I need to reread those but I don't have time now.

jmo

I bet there were many things that led to the fight on the 15th.


Was it Ryan who said Cindy called him around the end of May and told him Casey had stole from her and said she was a sociopath? Is that when Cindy found out she didn't work for Sports Authority?

[WillowInFlight]

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I'm totally confused, Willow.

:laugh: Oh honey, I don't think we have seen anything yet. I'm still trying to deal with 3 Todd Blacks, Is it one person that answers to 3 different Todd's or it it 3 different people?:laugh:

[happy2bme]

I don't know the date, but it seems to me it was a done deal by mid-June. Money was already replaced by Cindy even? So a fight over that particular subject on the 15th of June doesn't make as much sense if the theft was back in April. April makes sense, now that I think of it, because didn't Casey use the routing numbers on her birthday check (March birthday) to steal the money?


http://www.wesh.com/news/17303070/detail.html

from the article:

On July 7, Casey Anthony wrote back in an online poem: "What is given can be taken away. Everyone lies, everyone dies."

Cindy Anthony later told Casey Anthony’s friend, Amy Huizinga, that Casey Anthony stole money from her 80-year-old grandmother using a routing number on a birthday check.

Huizinga told investigators, "Casey emptied out my bank account, and I just really started hyperventilating."

[IM4Truth]

Yep, that works as well. That June 9th date is important somehow.

Also wonder, following along with what 5boxers and I were discussing, whether the fight was about something other than the theft from the Pleseas. Perhaps, since Cindy had Caylee all day, and Caylee had been away since the 9th, Cindy grilled her like a cheeseburger about what she'd been doing. And in the course of the interrogation, Cindy found out some things from Caylee about what Casey had been up to. Then Cindy confronted Casey when they met up back at the house the afternoon/evening of the 15th.

That would definitely fit with duct tape and a heart sticker over Caylee's little mouth. :sad:

You are the first one to have convinced me that maybe Caylee had said something to Cindy. The way you put it, yes, Caylee may very well have told Cindy something. But I still think that Cindy just found out on Father's Day about the money stolen from ggp account and that was the straw that broke the camels back.

[gaelicpeas]

I think things were brewing in the spring. Probably a FIRST blowup about the time Casey was doing the online searches. Parents wanted HER to take responsibility for Caylee so that's when she started dragging her around at night, drugging her, etc. SOMETHING happened around the 15th, whether it was the stolen money, her staying out all night w/Caylee or whatever.
Add the new bf that didn't want Caylee around and she finally put into works what she had been mulling over for months.IMO, the blow-up in March was Cindy telling Casey she wouldn't give her the money to go to Puerto Rico, as that is when her friends started planning the trip, IIRC. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Yep, that works as well. That June 9th date is important somehow.

Also wonder, following along with what 5boxers and I were discussing, whether the fight was about something other than the theft from the Pleseas. Perhaps, since Cindy had Caylee all day, and Caylee had been away since the 9th, Cindy grilled her like a cheeseburger about what she'd been doing. And in the course of the interrogation, Cindy found out some things from Caylee about what Casey had been up to. Then Cindy confronted Casey when they met up back at the house the afternoon/evening of the 15th.

That would definitely fit with duct tape and a heart sticker over Caylee's little mouth. :sad:This makes a lot of sense, Say, IMO.

[IM4Truth]

My memory was that Cindy told a coworker that all 3 of them were going to "bond" during that early June vacation, but that Cindy ended up having Caylee the whole week. I could be wrong, though... (lol, I now have 3 interviews to find - coworker, Sawgrass Mgr, and Ricardo!)

I think you are right, I forgot about the 2nd vacation the end of June through July 4th.

[ConchGirl]

This is a little out there, but depending on how LE posed the question to the A's about the last time they saw Caylee, if the 9th was the date of the first big fight and was actually the day Casey left the home, then it makes sense in a backwards kind of way that June 9th would be the date they would use.

All the move-out theories, unfortunately, leave the open question of why Casey didn't take more belongings with her. It's conceivable, I guess, that there was such dysfunction around the whole thing that it made some kind of sense to all of them that she was coming and going at odd hours, collecting things she needed on each trip. And of course, she had nowhere to put any belongings, either, which would be part of the reason she didn't make any sort of actual move from her parents' home. I doubt she felt secure enough with TonE to show up on his doorstep with a closet full of clothes and other trappings.

If George & Cindy told the truth it probably wouldn't be so hard to figure out. They were so busy trying to portray the perfect family for LE all at the expense of Caylee. moo

[IM4Truth]

So if Casey pleads the 5th, then its over? Or does the A's still have to answer?

I would think they will still have to be deposed.

[gaelicpeas]

I thought because Casey filed a counter suit, she can't take the 5th?I could be wrong, but my understanding is that she can still plead the 5th, but that in effect negates her counter-suit.

[daHawg]

I am pretty sure the theft from Shirley occurred in April. JMO, and yet another interview to find!One check was for $354 that was the check that was written on the asl act and she bought a blackberry with it Rick states that in his emails and Casey in her myspace comments also says to someone that she just got a blackberry and highly recommends them.

she posted on May 3rd that she had just gotten a blackberry. She gotten it in April.
pg 30 of 33

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony


Ricks Emails to Cindy note that Cindy says they returned Casey's bday check to grandma uncashed. A LIE because in the doc drop before this past on (I will find it) LE has a copy $25 bday check grandma wrote and Casey cashed it IIRC (until I find the link)

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817318/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-Documents

[dixie77]

:laugh: Oh honey, I don't think we have seen anything yet. I'm still trying to deal with 3 Todd Blacks, Is it one person that answers to 3 different Todd's or it it 3 different people?:laugh:
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I'm still trying to deal with how anyone can kill their own flesh and blood child. JUST HORRIBLE

[WillowInFlight]

You are the first one to have convinced me that maybe Caylee had said something to Cindy. The way you put it, yes, Caylee may very well have told Cindy something. But I still think that Cindy just found out on Father's Day about the money stolen from ggp account and that was the straw that broke the camels back.

What ever the fight was about they did not volunteer that info to LE, I wonder why, hmmmm. I wonder if sweet little Caylee did say something innocent that sent Cindy in a fury. But OTH, It seemed that Cindy confided in some of her co workers, after not seeing Caylee for weeks, I would think that if Caylee let something slip, Cindy would tell her coworkers thats why Casey is keeping Caylee away. She did complain to them that Casey was keeping Caylee from her.

[gaelicpeas]

Do we have any proof that Caylee was with Cindy the 1st week of June?IIRC, Cindy said that in her FBI interview (and THAT one I will not go find!), plus a coworker said that Cindy told her that.

[kitty1182]

:laugh: Oh honey, I don't think we have seen anything yet. I'm still trying to deal with 3 Todd Blacks, Is it one person that answers to 3 different Todd's or it it 3 different people?:laugh:

There's 3 of them? :scared:

[frances1]

Yep, that works as well. That June 9th date is important somehow.

Also wonder, following along with what 5boxers and I were discussing, whether the fight was about something other than the theft from the Pleseas. Perhaps, since Cindy had Caylee all day, and Caylee had been away since the 9th, Cindy grilled her like a cheeseburger about what she'd been doing. And in the course of the interrogation, Cindy found out some things from Caylee about what Casey had been up to. Then Cindy confronted Casey when they met up back at the house the afternoon/evening of the 15th.

That would definitely fit with duct tape and a heart sticker over Caylee's little mouth. :sad:

That's what I have always thought, as well, SayWhat.

[Dells]

OH GOOD GRIEF! Now there are THREE invisible Todd Black's?? :sneaky:

What?!:ohmy: Just when I thought this case couldn't get any stranger, it does.:sneaky:

[dixie77]

I would think they will still have to be deposed.

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Thanks, IM4. I sure hope so.

[happy2bme]

Thanks, happy. I'm going to assume for now that Cindy knew of that theft back in April, and paid her parents back well before mid-June. Not to say the incident wouldn't initiate a brawl on June 15th, but if Caylee was killed by an enraged Casey and was dumped with duct tape on her mouth, it really makes me wonder whether it was something Caylee told Cindy that started the chain of events on June 15th that led to the baby's death.

She had Caylee by herself all day on Fathers day. Cindy strikes me as the type who would question Caylee about things. I think you could be right. Caylee could have very well told Cindy something and that could have been the breaking point.jmo

[gaelicpeas]

co-workers:

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530509.pdf

best regards,
PruThanks, Pru! Well, I can't seem to cut and paste from that pdf file, but it says on page 6 that Cindy said she had Caylee pretty much the whole week she was on vacation the first week of June.

[IM4Truth]

IMO, the blow-up in March was Cindy telling Casey she wouldn't give her the money to go to Puerto Rico, as that is when her friends started planning the trip, IIRC. JMO

Not only giving her money to go but refusing to baby-sit Caylee when she went.

[WillowInFlight]

There's 3 of them? :scared:

Are "they" sure?:laugh:

[~layla~]

I think things were brewing in the spring. Probably a FIRST blowup about the time Casey was doing the online searches. Parents wanted HER to take responsibility for Caylee so that's when she started dragging her around at night, drugging her, etc. SOMETHING happened around the 15th, whether it was the stolen money, her staying out all night w/Caylee or whatever.
Add the new bf that didn't want Caylee around and she finally put into works what she had been mulling over for months.

I can agree with that. I also think Casey wasnt freshly busted June 15th, I think it was the final bust for Cindy to deal with monetarily. Caylee died because Casey needed a diversion, kidnapping, and it went in a direction she wasnt prepared for. Which is why I beleive this case will ultimately tell its own story. There are steps that led Casey to this fantasy. She just tried to play it out, well, she still is I guess.

[need2no]

IIRC, Cindy said that in her FBI interview (and THAT one I will not go find!), plus a coworker said that Cindy told her that.

LOL, can't say I blame you!

IIRC the coworker said Cindy TOLD her that was the plan, I don't recall her confirming she had Caylee that week...not sure I'd believe it anyway without proof. However I do believe Shirley who said casey never showed up with Caylee that entire week.


Cindy also did the backslide when LE asked what she and Caylee did that week.

[gaelicpeas]

I bet there were many things that led to the fight on the 15th.


Was it Ryan who said Cindy called him around the end of May and told him Casey had stole from her and said she was a sociopath? Is that when Cindy found out she didn't work for Sports Authority?He said that, but I was thinking it was a couple of years earlier.

[TxLady2]

If I remember right the clerk filled out the guest card, not ZG...which could explain the spelling.

My point through all of this has been that I dont believe the ZG that filled out that guest card has ever been proven to be Zaneida 'Fernandez' Gonzalez.
The only person I have ever heard or seen mention the 'Fernandez' part was from her lawyer, after the civil case came up.

Do we have anything in the way of official documents (not including the civil case filing) that has 'Fernandez' as part of her name?

I read somewhere a while back that Morgan assumed her name had the Fernandez in it when he filed the papers, and it has never been corrected. I have no idea if that is true, but I remember seeing it on one of the boards.
And I find it odd that Casey had thrown the nickname Zanny around for quite a while, according to some of her friends, possibly Jesse, and her family before Caylee went missing. What are the odds that a hispanic female with that same name goes to look for an apt. at Sawgrass around the time that Caylee disappears and her name could be shortened to that nickname? And who fairly recently dyed her hair blonde... (the earlier interviews with her, she has brown hair)... and one of the descriptions Casey gave of Zanny is that she sometimes bleached her hair. And this ZG has a heart tatoo on her hand. Makes it look like her attorney is purposely telling her to alter her looks to fit Casey's description, after both she and Casey swore they did not know each other.
I'm going with that lawyer on NG last night who said this woman's life was not ruined by this case. She ruined it herself by going to the media and initiating this lawsuit. Casey said it wasn't her. The LE never arrested her, she was taken in for questioning. Employers do not fire someone for being questioned about a murder case... if they do, they are the ones who need to be sued.

[Pruddennce]

This is a little out there, but depending on how LE posed the question to the A's about the last time they saw Caylee, if the 9th was the date of the first big fight and was actually the day Casey left the home, then it makes sense in a backwards kind of way that June 9th would be the date they would use.

All the move-out theories, unfortunately, leave the open question of why Casey didn't take more belongings with her. It's conceivable, I guess, that there was such dysfunction around the whole thing that it made some kind of sense to all of them that she was coming and going at odd hours, collecting things she needed on each trip. And of course, she had nowhere to put any belongings, either, which would be part of the reason she didn't make any sort of actual move from her parents' home. I doubt she felt secure enough with TonE to show up on his doorstep with a closet full of clothes and other trappings.

agreed. secondly, she didnt stay at Tony's while he was away which gives way to one fact: she was NOT an agreed upon roomie who was in the process of moving in. another fact: Tony was looking to move (Matt Crisp interview).....but it did not appear she was part of that move package. or perhaps was 'working on it' in the midst of all her imaginary living arrangements (she also told someone she was going to go to California IIRC).....

I think she was treading lightly because their relationship was not significant, as Tony states he was not pining for her at all hours via phone and text while he was away....

IMO, Casey had no plan, was doing the day by day thing....heck, she crashed with Amy and Ricardo while he was away....

the reason she left the home, the manner in which she left the home, was important for LE to know the truth....the Anthonys compromised the investigation in that regard, IMO. right out of the starting gate with an already cold case in place because of Casey. and they layered that cold case.

she did not take any of Caylee's belongings. in fact, Cindy mentions that. and there were no belongings of Caylee's at anyone's apartment, particularly Tony's.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[jammies]

She had Caylee by herself all day on Fathers day. Cindy strikes me as the type who would question Caylee about things. I think you could be right. Caylee could have very well told Cindy something and that could have been the breaking point.jmo



Why did she have Caylee that day? Where was Casey? Maybe Casey was supposed to come with them and never showed up, thus, sticking Caylee with her once again?

Cindy may have been upset as she would have made bogus excuses to her parents about why Casey wasn't there, etc. etc. Came home angry and all hell broke loose?

Just speculating.......

[gaelicpeas]

One check was for $354 that was the check that was written on the asl act and she bought a blackberry with it Rick states that in his emails and Casey in her myspace comments also says to someone that she just got a blackberry and highly recommends them.

she posted on May 3rd that she had just gotten a blackberry. She gotten it in April.
pg 30 of 33

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony


Ricks Emails to Cindy note that Cindy says they returned Casey's bday check to grandma uncashed. A LIE because in the doc drop before this past on (I will find it) LE has a copy $25 bday check grandma wrote and Casey cashed it IIRC (until I find the link)

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2817318/Caylee-Anthony-Case-November-26th-2008-DocumentsThanks, daHawg!

[aubrey04]

Hello everyone,

I just hopped on because I wanted to let you know they're talking about Caylee on HLN (headline news).. Natisha Lance, Pam Bondi and Mike Brooks are on.

He is about to talk about the spokesperson being a "convicted felon". Mike Galanos really is a spitfire. I believe that Galanos is the one who talked back to "Todd Black" when Black got so riled up that he admitted that Caylee was dead (before her body was found).

[RiverWalk]

the text messages to Tony on the 15 th has always baffled me. According to Clint when Clint came back from visiting his father, Sunday, fathers day, the 15th he stated to GVS and LE that Casey spent the night at their apt.(no Caylee, he said Caylee never, ever slept over) and I believe he stated she slept over, but did not see her that morning because he left for school early. maybe she left during the early hours of the 16 th and that is why Clint did not see her the morning of the 16 th. who knows? gogo

This?:

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/08/14/we-know-more-about-what-caylee-was-doing-in-june/

part 2 transcript:

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/Cliint_House_interview_part2_transcript.html

[gaelicpeas]

Not only giving her money to go but refusing to baby-sit Caylee when she went.Yep, that too!

[WillowInFlight]

Hello everyone,

I just hopped on because I wanted to let you know they're talking about Caylee on HLN (headline news).. Natisha Lance, Pam Bondi and Mike Brooks are on.

He is about to talk about the spokesperson being a "convicted felon". Mike Galanos really is a spitfire. I believe that Galanos is the one who talked back to "Todd Black" when Black got so riled up that he admitted that Caylee was dead (before her body was found).

Yep thats him, and he's a doll baby to boot.

[IM4Truth]

Why did she have Caylee that day? Where was Casey? Maybe Casey was supposed to come with them and never showed up, thus, sticking Caylee with her once again?

Cindy may have been upset as she would have made bogus excuses to her parents about why Casey wasn't there, etc. etc. Came home angry and all hell broke loose?

Just speculating.......

I've wondered where Casey was on FD too, celebrating with her own dearly loved father? Gotta leave it there for now. Might check back in a little later. Good conversations going on here!

[gaelicpeas]

(respecfully snipped)

the reason she left the home, the manner in which she left the home, was important for LE to know the truth....the Anthonys compromised the investigation in that regard, IMO. right out of the starting gate with an already cold case in place because of Casey. and they layered that cold case.

she did not take any of Caylee's belongings. in fact, Cindy mentions that. and there were no belongings of Caylee's at anyone's apartment, particularly Tony's.

IMO

best regards,
PruThis is the crux of Cindy and George's obstruction, IMO. These are such KEY facts - as evidenced by all of us discussing them for the last few pages (and months!).

[SavannahStar]

No that is not a fact.


You're absolutely correct, Narc.

[gaelicpeas]

No that is not a fact.So what occurred on 6-12 to write that to the index.dat file?

[Pruddennce]

He said that, but I was thinking it was a couple of years earlier.

no he said it was 3/3.5 weeks before she went missing. Cindy called him and told him to stay away from casey and told him about her stealing from the grandmother.

page 14 (handwritten 164)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

best regards,
Pru

[aubrey04]

Yep thats him, and he's a doll baby to boot.

Yup. He is.. :wub: He took callers. One asked if Cindy would be charged for washing the clothing in the back of Casey's car. Mike Brookes said he did not think so. Pam Bondi said that Baez's move to sneak the bracelet in would have probably backfired on him anyway.. She said she never understands why defense attorneys do stuff like that - it is ridiculous.

That's about it.

[gaelicpeas]

no he said it was 3/3.5 weeks before she went missing. Cindy called him and told him to stay away from casey and told him about her stealing from the grandmother.

page 14 (handwritten 164)
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

best regards,
PruOkay, thanks, Pru, I stand corrected! Hmm... so it appears that Cindy was starting to follow up on "old stories". Or maybe this was just the first time she had spoken to Ryan in a while...