Monday, Feb 2, Part 2

[?noanswer]

Ready when everyone else is ready! JMO

[aubrey04]

Oops. There are two threads that were started. I didn't know which to post on but decided this one since it was posted first.. :shrug:

[desmom]

Thanks. We must have been typing at the same time. I posted a link in mine to this one.

:rose: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[aubrey04]

Good. We are all on the same page. Lenny is bad talking Cindy.. :lol:

[Narcissist71]

Thank you all :)

[?noanswer]

Thanks. We must have been typing at the same time. I posted a link in mine to this one.

:rose: http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

It never fails. When someone asked for a new thread, I said I would start one, but usually when I do, someone else starts one. At least I'm batting a 1,000!!!! JMO

[bchand]

Bringing my post over from the other thread:


Did everyone hear Lenny's latest?

CINDY (according to Lenny) made George lie about Casey leaving in the afternoon of the 16th because she didn't want it known that she stormed out of the house on the evening of Father's Day after a fight with Cindy.

[Narcissist71]

It never fails. When someone asked for a new thread, I said I would start one, but usually when I do, someone else starts one. At least I'm batting a 1,000!!!! JMO

LOL....yep you said that. :)

[desmom]

Bringing my post over from the other thread:


Did everyone hear Lenny's latest?

CINDY (according to Lenny) made George lie about Casey leaving in the afternoon of the 16th because she didn't want it know that she stormed out of the house on the evening of Father's Day after a fight with Cindy.

I have never believed George's story about seeing them on 6/16 at 12:50 p.m. while watching his favorite show on the Food Channel.

[bchand]

I have never believed George's story about seeing them on 6/16 at 12:50 p.m. while watching his favorite show on the Food Channel.

Especially when he was able to describe what they were wearing.

You know they say liars add just a bit too much info.

[Neffy]

Did everyone hear Lenny's latest?

CINDY (according to Lenny) made George lie about Casey leaving in the afternoon of the 16th because she didn't want it know that she stormed out of the house on the evening of Father's Day after a fight with Cindy.

Man I missed that!

What I did catch was Nancy mentioning Lenny as having access to the house. She sounded kinda snarky so my guess is that's the only reason he's on her show.

[bchand]

And I'm bringing over my response:

Wouldn't surprise me. At all. Many of us have suspected the same.

They were all about hiding the real date and reason Casey left home. How ignorant do you have to be to think that information isn't important to the investigation of the missing toddler? I just want to scream every time I think about the way that family hid the facts about what happened in that house.

#1 proof of them covering up immediately for Casey.

[MiamiNice1]

And I'm bringing over my response:

Wouldn't surprise me. At all. Many of us have suspected the same.

They were all about hiding the real date and reason Casey left home. How ignorant do you have to be to think that information isn't important to the investigation of the missing toddler? I just want to scream every time I think about the way that family hid the facts about what happened in that house.
Bringing over my response, too.

Talk about OBSTRUCTION!!! Didn't they want to find Caylee??? (Rhetorical question, of course. :()

[Neffy]

#1 proof of them covering up immediately for Casey.

I never believed that story from day one. Just couldn't.

[legalmania]

And I'm bringing over my response:

Wouldn't surprise me. At all. Many of us have suspected the same.

They were all about hiding the real date and reason Casey left home. How ignorant do you have to be to think that information isn't important to the investigation of the missing toddler? I just want to scream every time I think about the way that family hid the facts about what happened in that house.

How does he know this? Now he's physic? Cindy thought the 9th was the last time she saw Casey and Caylee by the time she rememberd the video George already gave his statement to LE.

[Janz]

I never believed that story from day one. Just couldn't.

No, I have never believed either, Too quick with the lies and defending of Casey to have not known Caylee was gone...forever.

[SavannahStar]

Bringing my post over from the other thread:


Did everyone hear Lenny's latest?

CINDY (according to Lenny) made George lie about Casey leaving in the afternoon of the 16th because she didn't want it known that she stormed out of the house on the evening of Father's Day after a fight with Cindy.


Bringing over my response too.

He probably got that from reading on here.

I don't think LP is very credible.

[bchand]

Bringing over my response, too.

Talk about OBSTRUCTION!!! Didn't they want to find Caylee??? (Rhetorical question, of course. :()

Lenny sure doesn't like Cindy does he?

He never did reply to the question though that the caller asked about how George could leave Cindy to handle this all by herself. (Although I don't think that was a fair question.)


On Larry King - he's going to ask Judge Seidlin what he thinks about the Caylee Anthony case.

[Neffy]

:blush:

I can't imagine asn FBI agent would say he recognized his voice. I know I heard Kathi say that, but does that sound "funny" to anyone else??


MOO

Actually no. I work on the phone all day and in a few days when they call back I know who they are after speaking with them once. Something one just acquires in certain work.

[PuffDragon]

And I'm bringing over my response:

Wouldn't surprise me. At all. Many of us have suspected the same.

They were all about hiding the real date and reason Casey left home. How ignorant do you have to be to think that information isn't important to the investigation of the missing toddler? I just want to scream every time I think about the way that family hid the facts about what happened in that house.

The way they were acting you would think the issue was no more serious than who teepeed the neighbor's house.

[bchand]

How does he know this? Now he's physic? Cindy thought the 9th was the last time she saw Casey and Caylee by the time she rememberd the video George already gave his statement to LE.


Although I don't believe most of what Lenny has to say, the point, I think, is - they all came up with an incorrect date. Casey in particular SHOULD have know the date that she last saw her daughter.

His theory could explain that because they ALL wanted to be sure and say she last left the house in the afternoon, of a normal day when nothing special happened - NOT at night after a heated argument.

They just got their dates mixed up.

[MiamiNice1]

Lenny sure doesn't like Cindy does he?

He never did reply to the question though that the caller asked about how George could leave Cindy to handle this all by herself. (Although I don't think that was a fair question.)


On Larry King - he's going to ask Judge Seidlin what he thinks about the Caylee Anthony case.
Now that should be a good opinion! (from Judge Seidlin)

I believe NG even asked Lenny if he wanted to see Cindy brought up on murder charges?! lol! Wonder why NG is still defending the "tot grandparents?!"

[PuffDragon]

Man I missed that!

What I did catch was Nancy mentioning Lenny as having access to the house. She sounded kinda snarky so my guess is that's the only reason he's on her show.

I think he's there so she can get taunt him into coming out with some bizarre idea and she can sneer at him and he just lets her do it without taking offense.

[Neffy]

And I'm bringing over my response:

Wouldn't surprise me. At all. Many of us have suspected the same.

They were all about hiding the real date and reason Casey left home. How ignorant do you have to be to think that information isn't important to the investigation of the missing toddler? I just want to scream every time I think about the way that family hid the facts about what happened in that house.

I've been thinking that this is what Cindy was referring to when during the Jail house visit she said we forgive you for whatever you told them and Casey responds I haven't told them anything.

[Neffy]

Now that should be a good opinion! (from Judge Seidlin)

I believe NG even asked Lenny if he wanted to see Cindy brought up on murder charges?! lol! Wonder why NG is still defending the "tot grandparents?!"


He knows his place allright as Nancy always puts him there LOL!

[marshmallow]

Bringing over my response too.

He probably got that from reading on here.

I don't think LP is very credible.




I've never considered Lenny to be a good source for accurate information but I wouldn't really be surprised if this hunch of his is correct. We just will never know unless George, Cindy, or Casey tells the truth and I don't see that happening any time soon.

[Neffy]

Now that should be a good opinion! (from Judge Seidlin)

I believe NG even asked Lenny if he wanted to see Cindy brought up on murder charges?! lol! Wonder why NG is still defending the "tot grandparents?!"

True but in her defense (tonight anyways lol) she pretty much laid it out that it's not Cindy who killed Caylee. Leonard just said "understood". He got her meaning.

[happygert]

Good. We are all on the same page. Lenny is bad talking Cindy.. :lol:

IMo she probably did tell to say she left on the 16th.. when Greta was interviewing them Ga said she left at 12:50 he remembers cause he was watching his favorite cooking show.Cindy: like right before you left for work..GA says they came out with her back pack and said dad have to work late taking Caylee to the nanny's and cindy looks at ga and says like any other day....( paraphrasing) imo neither one looked Greta on the eyes... cindy just kept playing with the dogs hair......jmho

[aubrey04]

Lenny sure doesn't like Cindy does he?

He never did reply to the question though that the caller asked about how George could leave Cindy to handle this all by herself. (Although I don't think that was a fair question.)


On Larry King - he's going to ask Judge Seidlin what he thinks about the Caylee Anthony case.

Yeah, Lenny wasn't hiding his feelings tonight. He got his digs in for sure.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Although I don't believe most of what Lenny has to say, the point, I think, is - they all came up with an incorrect date. Casey in particular SHOULD have know the date that she last saw her daughter.

His theory could explain that because they ALL wanted to be sure and say she last left the house in the afternoon, of a normal day when nothing special happened - NOT at night after a heated argument.

They just got their dates mixed up.

FWIW, the same ex-FBI agent who vouched for LP also recognized the voice of Todd my-name-is-not-really Black.
jmo

[MiamiNice1]

He knows his place allright as Nancy always puts him there LOL!

Yes! He takes Nancy's abuse quite well. He also seems to go into each show with a specific "talking point" to put "out there."

Perfect example being tonight, when he ignored the caller's question about George in the hospital in order to talk about the day of the fight.

[bchand]

FWIW, the same ex-FBI agent who vouched for LP also recognized the voice of Todd my-name-is-not-really Black.
jmo

Vouched for LP when Cury?

[Neffy]

FWIW, the same ex-FBI agent who vouched for LP also recognized the voice of Todd my-name-is-not-really Black.
jmo

What a condumdrum!

Vouched for what about Lenny :scared.

[Pat]

About George being hospitalized "voluntarily". No patient can be held against their will in a mental health facility unless they are a danger to themselves or others, so yes, he is there voluntarily.

George would not be able to stay unless his mental health providers felt he needed to be there.

Wish folks wouldn't equate this to being in a spa. It isn't like that at all. His mental health providers have determined he needs treatment, have recommended to him he stay, and obviously hospital administrators agree or he'd be gone. Especially if the hospital is picking up the tab. Yes, he can walk out if he chooses, but any severely depressed patient can do so. It doesn't mean they should.

And on to the clothes, Baez and Cindy. According to this article, Conway says Cindy did NOT provide the clothes (see link). Todd Black says she did.

The Orlando Sentinel is all over the place on this and needs to clear it up. Are they using Black as the source that Cindy provided the clothes?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey3109jan31,0,460044.story

[MiamiNice1]

True but in her defense (tonight anyways lol) she pretty much laid it out that it's not Cindy who killed Caylee. Leonard just said "understood". He got her meaning.

NG and Lenny P have a strange on screen relationship! :blink:

[desmom]

IMo she probably did tell to say she left on the 16th.. when Greta was interviewing them Ga said she left at 12:50 he remembers cause he was watching his favorite cooking show.Cindy: like right before you left for work..GA says they came out with her back pack and said dad have to work late taking Caylee to the nanny's and cindy looks at ga and says like any other day....( paraphrasing) imo neither one looked Greta on the eyes... cindy just kept playing with the dogs hair......jmho

Here is the interview http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee

[MiamiNice1]

They're each getting something out of the arrangement. Lenny loves the attention. Nancy loves the smackdown. lol

You nailed it, SW!!! :lol::lol:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Vouched for LP when Cury?


CNN HN Archive 10/6/08

Let`s go to the polygraph expert, Jack Trimarco. He is the former FBI polygraph unit chief in LA. Jack, thank you for being with us. What do they mean when they say they want the records on the polygraph machine itself?

JACK TRIMARCO, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nancy, as a many time visitor to your show over the years, I`d like to do something I`ve never done before and that is deflect your question for a moment. One of the defense attorneys made a comment about the honesty of Leonard Padilla, and I`d like to just say that from 1978 to 1981, I worked many fugitive cases with Leonard Padilla. I was a young FBI agent then. And when Leonard Padilla gives you his word or says something on the record, you take it to the bank. He`s one of the most honest people...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/06/ng.01.html

[aubrey04]

Yes! He takes Nancy's abuse quite well. He also seems to go into each show with a specific "talking point" to put "out there."

Perfect example being tonight, when he ignored the caller's question about George in the hospital in order to talk about the day of the fight.

I agree. I think Lenny has his mind made up before each show about what he wants to talk about. And it doesn't matter what question Nancy throws at him - he is going to get the comments he wants out regardless.

Nancy seems to let him go off-topic a lot more than her other guests. Cindy must have gotten under his skin in the past few days or something, because he really was after her tonight.

:lol:

I do think that Lenny genuinely seems to like George though. if you notice, he seems to stick up for George.. Also, he said that Rob Dick & George are tight. I remember that day @ J Blanchard Park - even Cindy was nice to Rob Dick.

[shelbar53]

FWIW, the same ex-FBI agent who vouched for LP also recognized the voice of Todd my-name-is-not-really Black.
jmo

No, the FBI that vouched for LP was Nick Savage, the FBI who recognized todd's voice was Jack Trimarco

[steffaroob4]

FWIW, the same ex-FBI agent who vouched for LP also recognized the voice of Todd my-name-is-not-really Black.
jmo

Could we have two seperate PR daisy chains here, fighting over who gets the golden egg?

[Neffy]

NG and Lenny P have a strange on screen relationship! :blink:

Nancy has that hate/hate relationship with him. The other guests are probably relieved that he's on.

[wondering?]

Sometimes it seems that Lenny is the voice of reason on Nancy
Grace show. He is the one person who has actually been in contact with the Anthony family and has been in the house and can correctly observe and report on what he has seen.

Seemed like a "bombshell" from him to actually say that Mr. Anthony was made to go out and tell the LE that he saw Casey and Kaylee in the am. No one that I can remember has ever stated that they actually left at midnight after the big fight.

Give Lenny P. a lot of credit for putting up with the interruptions that Nancy constantly throws in, and giving us some actual info and not an "opinion" only.

I, too, have never believed that Mr. Anthony saw Casey and Kaylee leave the next day because it would be a difficult thing to be able to tell LE, over a month later, exactly what they were wearing that day. Not buying it. The family is so wrapped up in lies and cover ups that it will be a miracle to ever get to the truth.

[happygert]

Yeah, Lenny wasn't hiding his feelings tonight. He got his digs in for sure.

I'll have to watch again at 9 missed half of it...missed Lenny....

[bchand]

CNN HN Archive 10/6/08

Let`s go to the polygraph expert, Jack Trimarco. He is the former FBI polygraph unit chief in LA. Jack, thank you for being with us. What do they mean when they say they want the records on the polygraph machine itself?

JACK TRIMARCO, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nancy, as a many time visitor to your show over the years, I`d like to do something I`ve never done before and that is deflect your question for a moment. One of the defense attorneys made a comment about the honesty of Leonard Padilla, and I`d like to just say that from 1978 to 1981, I worked many fugitive cases with Leonard Padilla. I was a young FBI agent then. And when Leonard Padilla gives you his word or says something on the record, you take it to the bank. He`s one of the most honest people...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/06/ng.01.html

Thank you. What a memory you have Cury! I do remember it now.

[steffaroob4]

CNN HN Archive 10/6/08

Let`s go to the polygraph expert, Jack Trimarco. He is the former FBI polygraph unit chief in LA. Jack, thank you for being with us. What do they mean when they say they want the records on the polygraph machine itself?

JACK TRIMARCO, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nancy, as a many time visitor to your show over the years, I`d like to do something I`ve never done before and that is deflect your question for a moment. One of the defense attorneys made a comment about the honesty of Leonard Padilla, and I`d like to just say that from 1978 to 1981, I worked many fugitive cases with Leonard Padilla. I was a young FBI agent then. And when Leonard Padilla gives you his word or says something on the record, you take it to the bank. He`s one of the most honest people...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/06/ng.01.html

Hmmm... I wonder who bailed old Gil out of jail???

[Cury-us Coyote]

Could we have two seperate PR daisy chains here, fighting over who gets the golden egg?


At least two, and one link that moves between or among, IMO.

ETA - Missed the acronym PR - you're right, IMO.

[MiamiNice1]

Nancy has that hate/hate relationship with him. The other guests are probably relieved that he's on.

Hahaha! You guys are killing me here! :laugh:

[Neffy]

CNN HN Archive 10/6/08

Let`s go to the polygraph expert, Jack Trimarco. He is the former FBI polygraph unit chief in LA. Jack, thank you for being with us. What do they mean when they say they want the records on the polygraph machine itself?

JACK TRIMARCO, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nancy, as a many time visitor to your show over the years, I`d like to do something I`ve never done before and that is deflect your question for a moment. One of the defense attorneys made a comment about the honesty of Leonard Padilla, and I`d like to just say that from 1978 to 1981, I worked many fugitive cases with Leonard Padilla. I was a young FBI agent then. And when Leonard Padilla gives you his word or says something on the record, you take it to the bank. He`s one of the most honest people...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/06/ng.01.html

Well that I'd probably have to agree with. I don't think he's an outright liar at all. I do believe he convey's what he thinks he's hearing and adds his own 2 cents at worst.

[Narcissist71]

No, the FBI that vouched for LP was Nick Savage, the FBI who recognized todd's voice was Jack Trimarco


Yeah, but the weird thing is Jack won't tell the reporter the link to the voice that he is saying is Cabot as Black. He says he could lose his house if he gave that info.

Weird if it is Cabot, that he would be afraid to give the link.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18623903/index.html

Listen to the full 16:32 of the interview. That doesn't come up until the last few minutes.

[cloe23]

Bringing my post over from the other thread:


Did everyone hear Lenny's latest?

CINDY (according to Lenny) made George lie about Casey leaving in the afternoon of the 16th because she didn't want it known that she stormed out of the house on the evening of Father's Day after a fight with Cindy.

I question where LP gets his comments. It appears that many on this thread already have figured out long ago that George was coached during LE interviews.
I wish LP would go home and drive a school bus or something:thumbup:

[steffaroob4]

At least two, and one link that moves between or among, IMO.

ITA, I find this connection the most interesting. Someone is out to make some money/fame, someone has made certain statements trying to destroy more than one person in this case and someone has been defending defense council. I just wonder who it is.

[MiamiNice1]

I agree. I think Lenny has his mind made up before each show about what he wants to talk about. And it doesn't matter what question Nancy throws at him - he is going to get the comments he wants out regardless.

Nancy seems to let him go off-topic a lot more than her other guests. Cindy must have gotten under his skin in the past few days or something, because he really was after her tonight.

:lol:

I do think that Lenny genuinely seems to like George though. if you notice, he seems to stick up for George.. Also, he said that Rob Dick & George are tight. I remember that day @ J Blanchard Park - even Cindy was nice to Rob Dick.

Yes, good observation - Lenny never has anything negative to say about George - but honestly ....

George going along with Cindy in LYING to the police about when he last saw his precious granddaughter - when GEORGE used to be a homicide detective?!?!

I don't get ANY of them!

[Neffy]

ITA, I find this connection the most interesting. Someone is out to make some money/fame, someone has made certain statements trying to destroy more than one person in this case and someone has been defending defense council. I just wonder who it is.

N'yeah whose the mole?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Yeah, but the weird thing is Jack won't tell the reporter the link to the voice that he is saying is Cabot as Black. He says he could lose his house if he gave that info.

Weird if it is Cabot, that he would be afraid to give the link.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18623903/index.html

Listen to the full 16:32 of the interview. That doesn't come up until the last few minutes.

IIRC, Ole Lenny wouldn't tell who involved him in the Caylee case either.

[Narcissist71]

CNN HN Archive 10/6/08

Let`s go to the polygraph expert, Jack Trimarco. He is the former FBI polygraph unit chief in LA. Jack, thank you for being with us. What do they mean when they say they want the records on the polygraph machine itself?

JACK TRIMARCO, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nancy, as a many time visitor to your show over the years, I`d like to do something I`ve never done before and that is deflect your question for a moment. One of the defense attorneys made a comment about the honesty of Leonard Padilla, and I`d like to just say that from 1978 to 1981, I worked many fugitive cases with Leonard Padilla. I was a young FBI agent then. And when Leonard Padilla gives you his word or says something on the record, you take it to the bank. He`s one of the most honest people...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/06/ng.01.html That is another weird coincidence. Goodness.

[Narcissist71]

:confused: I don't think so, shelbar. I don't think Nick Savage has ever publicly even acknowledged Lenny, much less vouched for him. That would be highly inappropriate, don't you think? Savage is part of the active investigation.

Yep, I think some have attributed what this Jack guy said as the words of Nick.

I even made that mistake.

[happygert]

Sometimes it seems that Lenny is the voice of reason on Nancy
Grace show. He is the one person who has actually been in contact with the Anthony family and has been in the house and can correctly observe and report on what he has seen.

Seemed like a "bombshell" from him to actually say that Mr. Anthony was made to go out and tell the LE that he saw Casey and Kaylee in the am. No one that I can remember has ever stated that they actually left at midnight after the big fight.

Give Lenny P. a lot of credit for putting up with the interruptions that Nancy constantly throws in, and giving us some actual info and not an "opinion" only.

I, too, have never believed that Mr. Anthony saw Casey and Kaylee leave the next day because it would be a difficult thing to be able to tell LE, over a month later, exactly what they were wearing that day. Not buying it. The family is so wrapped up in lies and cover ups that it will be a miracle to ever get to the truth.

No i dont believe he saw them either. And no way am I going to ever beileve that cindy "TUCKED casey and CAYLEE in BED" on the 15 either.. Or that she heard them "SLEEPING".. Someone called casey's cell phone from the home phone at 7:45 am on the 16th.. right before cindy left for work...casey wasn't home ...IMO cindy was looking for her and Caylee.. I wish someone asks cindy who called casey's cell at 7:45 on the 16th..

[PuffDragon]

It's possible Nancy doesn't find Cindy nearly as offensive and abrasive as many of us do. After all, Nancy can be almost as offensive and abrasive, lol.

I don't think the feeling is mutual, however. Cindy never came back after the last time Nancy gave her what-for.

[Neffy]

OMG who was that that said George is where he's at voluntarily.

I have mixed views on this. I sure as heck don't think he belongs on Hopespring and with his own change of venue going against my better judgement and fool me twice shame on me he just may anti up the truth.

[MrsHudson]

That's the $64,000 question, Miami. Didn't they want to find Caylee? How dare they prioritize keeping their dirty laundry in the hamper over finding their granddaughter?

That is just exactly what they did.

[?noanswer]

Yeah, but the weird thing is Jack won't tell the reporter the link to the voice that he is saying is Cabot as Black. He says he could lose his house if he gave that info.

Weird if it is Cabot, that he would be afraid to give the link.


http://www.wftv.com/video/18623903/index.html

Listen to the full 16:32 of the interview. That doesn't come up until the last few minutes.

Wonder if the Bar Association will look further into the complaints against JB. It's gonna be something if this guy is out to scam JB. JMO

[MrsHudson]

Yep, ITA. Either it was that, or something even more nefarious. Cindy can take her pick, as far as I'm concerned. The secretive behavior, under the circumstances, is despicable.

It was secret because they all knew it would arouse suspicion if it was known Casey left home with Caylee over a big fight about her stealing.Cindy was putting her image first on that one.

[Neffy]

*snipped*

holy cow gert... I never knew that!

wow now that's a bombshell! :scared:

Yes I'd forgotten about that. This stuff is just peppered all thru this regarding George and Cindy. It's disgusting.

[Neffy]

Did anyone catch that Orlando station at 5pm when they said something about questioning Lee and it DIDN"T have to do with the murder.!!

I never left that station and there was no mention of it anymore.

What the heck was that about?

[MiamiNice1]

Judge Seidlin of Anna Nicole (crying) fame on Caylee Anthony Case:

One of the tough issues is getting a fair jury for this case. Have to look them in the eyes and ask if anything they've heard about the case will affect their decision.

Judge Seidlin didn't want to answer Larry's questions about Judge Stickland's latest rulings (about the judge forcing Casey to attend the hearings - LK asked if this was right) - Seidlin said he didn't want to second guess the decisions because he doesn't have the police reports or lawyers arguments in front of him.

Judge Sedlin said he feels bad for the grandparents, having a difficult time with their daughter, lost their grandchld, they're suffering, their daughter is in jail.

[tmw]

Dannilynn on Larry King

[?noanswer]

Did anyone catch that Orlando station at 5pm when they said something about questioning Lee and it DIDN"T have to do with the murder.!!

I never left that station and there was no mention of it anymore.

What the heck was that about?

I think it was in reference to taking his statement re ZG. JMO

[Neffy]

Anyone have the link for NG, do they play the reruns on the on the net, I'm on the west coast and don't have cable tonight.
TIA

Haven't seen you for a while I was beginning to think Baez kidnapped you since he couldn't get Tim's records I figured he took a hostage LOL.

Sorry I don't think it's up yet.

[MrsHudson]

It's possible Nancy doesn't find Cindy nearly as offensive and abrasive as many of us do. After all, Nancy can be almost as offensive and abrasive, lol.

I really think she's worried about a lawsuit. You know NG gets a ton of mail from viewers who can't stand Cindy who want to know why NG is so wishy-washy when it comes to her. I think NG knows a lot of people really despise her. I just think she knows Cindy's ways and that she would sue them if given half a chance. JVM defends Cindy too. Same channel.

[steffaroob4]

No i dont believe he saw them either. And no way am I going to ever beileve that cindy "TUCKED casey and CAYLEE in BED" on the 15 either.. Or that she heard them "SLEEPING".. Someone called casey's cell phone from the home phone at 7:45 am on the 16th.. right before cindy left for work...casey wasn't home ...IMO cindy was looking for her and Caylee.. I wish someone asks cindy who called casey's cell at 7:45 on the 16th..

That call does NOT show up on the Nov 26th document dump, which had Casey cell phone call, plus the house calls.

[cloe23]

O/T Happy Birthday Cloe!

TY:biggrin:
I love birthday cake! Like Stephine Plum.
BTW: I am staying at 45. Period!
To be born on a holiday is fun.(Ground Hogs Day)

[Neffy]

I think it was in reference to taking his statement re ZG. JMO

OH Man! Your probably right. Darn my imagination.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Did anyone catch that Orlando station at 5pm when they said something about questioning Lee and it DIDN"T have to do with the murder.!!

I never left that station and there was no mention of it anymore.

What the heck was that about?

Fox35 covered LA's civil case questioning during the 6PM telecast.
jmo

[steffaroob4]

That call does NOT show up on the Nov 26th document dump, which had Casey cell phone call, plus the house calls.

On the original cell docs there is a call, but it happens exactly at the same time Casey is checking her cell messages. She called her voice mail from the home.

[cloe23]

Dannilynn on Larry King

:w00t:OH MY GAWD she is! :cursing:

[Neffy]

Fox35 covered LA's civil case questioning during the 6PM telecast.
jmo

TY. He was questioned today?

[bchand]

Did anyone catch that Orlando station at 5pm when they said something about questioning Lee and it DIDN"T have to do with the murder.!!

I never left that station and there was no mention of it anymore.

What the heck was that about?

Neffy it was about the civil suit with Zenaida. He will be deposed.

[Oregongal]

No i dont believe he saw them either. And no way am I going to ever beileve that cindy "TUCKED casey and CAYLEE in BED" on the 15 either.. Or that she heard them "SLEEPING".. Someone called casey's cell phone from the home phone at 7:45 am on the 16th.. right before cindy left for work...casey wasn't home ...IMO cindy was looking for her and Caylee.. I wish someone asks cindy who called casey's cell at 7:45 on the 16th..

Bingo!!!
You just said what I've thought for a very, very long time. Thank you for putting words to my thoughts.
:thumbsup:

[bchand]

The caller made it sound as though GA was a jerk for leaving CA to suffer alone. Heck, in my mind he was glad to have an excuse to get outta Dodge. And I don't blame him.

lol I agree with you AnniePooh.

[MrsHudson]

No i dont believe he saw them either. And no way am I going to ever beileve that cindy "TUCKED casey and CAYLEE in BED" on the 15 either.. Or that she heard them "SLEEPING".. Someone called casey's cell phone from the home phone at 7:45 am on the 16th.. right before cindy left for work...casey wasn't home ...IMO cindy was looking for her and Caylee.. I wish someone asks cindy who called casey's cell at 7:45 on the 16th..

That was so lame. Cindy tucking then into bed. Preposterous!

[aubrey04]

Yes, good observation - Lenny never has anything negative to say about George - but honestly ....

George going along with Cindy in LYING to the police about when he last saw his precious granddaughter - when GEORGE used to be a homicide detective?!?!

I don't get ANY of them!

I think he felt forced into lying by Casey and Cindy. He was pretty honest when he had his alone time with LE and the FBI - then sang a different tune during interviews with the media.

I wonder how truthful he was in the courtroom during the grand jury. What a mess - maybe that is why he is hiding out in the psych ward - he's trying to stay away from all the pressures from people who want him to lie.

jmo

[Oregongal]

O/T Happy Birthday Cloe!

Ditto....Happy Birthday Cloe!!!
:wub:

[bchand]

Anyone have the link for NG, do they play the reruns on the on the net, I'm on the west coast and don't have cable tonight.
TIA

Hi MrLucky - I thought you might be away since I didn't see you.

This is the link but I don't know if they show it a second time or not.


http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nancy-grace-ustream-channel-by-torbenmiller

[MrsHudson]

No i dont believe he saw them either. And no way am I going to ever beileve that cindy "TUCKED casey and CAYLEE in BED" on the 15 either.. Or that she heard them "SLEEPING".. Someone called casey's cell phone from the home phone at 7:45 am on the 16th.. right before cindy left for work...casey wasn't home ...IMO cindy was looking for her and Caylee.. I wish someone asks cindy who called casey's cell at 7:45 on the 16th..

Woah, first I ever heard of that!

[MrsHudson]

Bet LE knows. I bet that about the time LE realized the A's were playing games with them, they went about the business of methodically piecing together who was where, who called who, etc. and so forth on that weekend.

That's some of the conflicting information Conway needs to get them immunity for.

[Neffy]

IIRC, he's scheduled for 2/27, and G&C are scheduled for 2/26.

Tx I read about the Cindy and George but they seem to be making a bigger deal out of Lee for some reason. Geez.

[?noanswer]

TY. He was questioned today?


No, its toward the end of Feb. G, C, & L are all scheduled (not on same day). JMO

[MiamiNice1]

I think he felt forced into lying by Casey and Cindy. He was pretty honest when he had his alone time with LE and the FBI - then sang a different tune during interviews with the media.

I wonder how truthful he was in the courtroom during the grand jury. What a mess - maybe that is why he is hiding out in the psych ward - he's trying to stay away from all the pressures from people who want him to lie.

jmo
I don't blame him one bit for hiding out in the psych ward. Like everyone else in that family, he has gone through a lot.

He should have "manned up" a long time ago, put his foot down and been the one to insist on the truth - especially having been a cop. He didn't know the cops would eventually piece everything together?!? Makes me wonder what kind of a (incompetent) cop he was!

It never pays to lie - yet they do - over and over again. This family is DYSFUNCTIONAL with a capital "D"

[cloe23]

Neffy it was about the civil suit with Zenaida. He will be deposed.

Why would LA be depoed regarding the Zanny cival case ? FGS!

[Cury-us Coyote]

TY. He was questioned today?

Videotape deposition scheduled for 9:00AM 2/27/09.
jmo

[bchand]

Woah, first I ever heard of that!

See steff's post #94. She clarified this.

[bchand]

Why would LA be depoed regarding the Zanny cival case ? FGS!

The entire family is being questioned about what they knew about the nanny.

[?noanswer]

I think its nothing but a game between Nance and each one of her guests. She plays the obnoxious host and they play the (in)competent guests (depending upon who they are). Then once the show is over, they all laugh and slap each other on the backs and talk about what a great job they all did.

Yes, its all for show. If everybody agreed, then the show would be boring. Lots of times, the guest will laugh when she reams them out.

Usually it's the same with attorneys. They will be toe to toe thruout a case and when its over they all go out to dinner. Politicians are the same. I couldn't be that way. Guess I'm too thin skinned. JMO

[cloe23]

Ditto....Happy Birthday Cloe!!!
:wub:

TY, come over and have some cake. I'm telling ya it is the best frosting I have ever had!

[MrsHudson]

See steff's post #94. She clarified this.

okay. Thx.

[Oregongal]

That was so lame. Cindy tucking then into bed. Preposterous!

Yep, especially if there truly was a big smack down between them that day.
Pfffft!

[cloe23]

The entire family is being questioned about what they knew about the nanny.

This is just now being done? I thought that the family has already been questioned 'on record.' Moot at this point, I guess.

[happygert]

*snipped*

holy cow gert... I never knew that!

wow now that's a bombshell! :scared:

Yes someone called her cell now why would you call her cell phone if she was home..I'd just go into her room..

[Neffy]

Yep, especially if there truly was a big smack down between them that day.
Pfffft!

:seeya:

I'm sure it's been and Casey's belly aching you have each other and I have no one. Old clueless doesn't have one inkling of what or who she's torn thru in the outside world.

[johnielee333]

Bringing my post over from the other thread:


Did everyone hear Lenny's latest?

CINDY (according to Lenny) made George lie about Casey leaving in the afternoon of the 16th because she didn't want it known that she stormed out of the house on the evening of Father's Day after a fight with Cindy.

well i'm just wondering why we are just now hearing about this from lenny. :shrug:

[MiamiNice1]

No i dont believe he saw them either. And no way am I going to ever beileve that cindy "TUCKED casey and CAYLEE in BED" on the 15 either.. Or that she heard them "SLEEPING".. Someone called casey's cell phone from the home phone at 7:45 am on the 16th.. right before cindy left for work...casey wasn't home ...IMO cindy was looking for her and Caylee.. I wish someone asks cindy who called casey's cell at 7:45 on the 16th..
The case is FILLED with these little, but important, inconsistencies that need to be clarified. This unravels their whole lie of George seeing Casey and Caylee leaving the morning of the 16th (and of couse, Cindy's lie of "tucking them in....:rolleyes:)

[johnielee333]

Bringing over my response too.

He probably got that from reading on here.

I don't think LP is very credible.

i agree with you.

[Neffy]

The case is FILLED with these little, but important, inconsistencies that need to be clarified. This unravels their whole lie of George seeing Casey and Caylee leaving the morning of the 16th (and of couse, Cindy's lie of "tucking them in....:rolleyes:)

By the time it gets to trial we'll forget and have to be reminded all over again. This was hashed out a while ago. IIRC correctly some posters thought this is how they communicated. Called each other on their cell phones in the same house LOL. No offense to whomever you were but I strongly disagree.

[AbbyNormal]

Bingo!!!
You just said what I've thought for a very, very long time. Thank you for putting words to my thoughts.
:thumbsup:Hi OG:seeya: You have a pm

[ellegna]

Bringing my post over from the other thread:


Did everyone hear Lenny's latest?

CINDY (according to Lenny) made George lie about Casey leaving in the afternoon of the 16th because she didn't want it known that she stormed out of the house on the evening of Father's Day after a fight with Cindy.

I wouldn't be surprised Cindy did coach George
Listen to what George says during the Greta interview when he saw Caylee/Casey last (approx 4 min mark)
paraphrasing:
Greta asks George what time of day
George says I remember specifically it was 10 min's to 1
Shortly after the lunch time hour. I was watching the news/food channel.

Shortly after the lunch time hour to me means just after 12 noon not 12:50. So what was George watching? The news or food channel?
I couldn't give you the exact time I left for work today. I could give you an approximate time so how's it possible George can be so specific about a time that happened over a month ago?
IMO he was following a script

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bIu7Ens4WIo&feature=related

[happygert]

Bet LE knows. I bet that about the time LE realized the A's were playing games with them, they went about the business of methodically piecing together who was where, who called who, etc. and so forth on that weekend.

I'm sure they know someone in that house either GA or CA called casey at 7:45 am on the 16the the day after the fight..I'm leaning towards cindy..

[Mamie]

I don't blame him one bit for hiding out in the psych ward. Like everyone else in that family, he has gone through a lot.

(snipped)
Makes me wonder what kind of a (incompetent) cop he was!
It never pays to lie - yet they do - over and over again. This family is DYSFUNCTIONAL with a capital "D"

Bolding mine - and there you have it. I don't think he was cut out to be a cop. You'd be surprised at people I know who used to be in LE and are no longer, I just shake my head because I could never picture them in law enforcement ever. G should have been wearing the pants in that family long ago!!! IMO

[MiamiNice1]

By the time it gets to trial we'll forget and have to be reminded all over again. This was hashed out a while ago. IIRC correctly some posters thought this is how they communicated. Called each other on their cell phones in the same house LOL. No offense to whomever you were but I strongly disagree.

There is a LOT to keep track of in this case! But I guess they can easily verify this particular call by tracking Casey's cell phone pings for that call? :confused:

[happygert]

That call does NOT show up on the Nov 26th document dump, which had Casey cell phone call, plus the house calls.

Its in one of the docs steff.....

[Mamie]

This is just now being done? I thought that the family has already been questioned 'on record.' Moot at this point, I guess.

No, no it's good because then they'll go back and compare the notes to what they said to LE in the first place about Zanny, the nanny.

[MiamiNice1]

Bolding mine - and there you have it. I don't think he was cut out to be a cop. You'd be surprised at people I know who used to be in LE and are no longer, I just shake my head because I could never picture them in law enforcement ever. G should have been wearing the pants in that family long ago!!! IMO

You may be right - George, IMO, certainly has NOT acted like a law enforcement officer in any aspect of this case. His interviews with LE are pathetic. Lots of manipulation and double talk. Some truth, some con. He is not an upstanding person, imo.

[happygert]

On the original cell docs there is a call, but it happens exactly at the same time Casey is checking her cell messages. She called her voice mail from the home.

No steff not buying that it said went straight to voice mail...no answer.. casey wasnt home on the 16th...someone called casey casey didnt use home phone at that time on the 16th ..if that was the case cindy would have seen her before she left for work..cindy: I know caseyand Caylee was home when I left on the 16th ...I HEARD THEM SLEEPING!

[Mamie]

I wouldn't be surprised Cindy did coach George
Listen to what George says during the Greta interview when he saw Caylee/Casey last (approx 4 min mark)
paraphrasing:
Greta asks George what time of day
George says I remember specifically it was 10 min's to 1
Shortly after the lunch time hour. I was watching the news/food channel.

Shortly after the lunch time hour to me means just after 12 noon not 12:50. So what was George watching? The news or food channel?
I couldn't give you the exact time I left for work today. I could give you an approximate time so how's it possible George can be so specific about a time that happened over a month ago?
IMO he was following a script

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bIu7Ens4WIo&feature=related

Not sticking up for George here at all, but I understand what he meant about that and he couldn't nail it down to 1 PM or anything but he just knew that it was after the lunch hour. He happened to say "lunch time hour" but AFTER the lunch hour, he means after it had passed or most of it had passed. JMO

P.S. And yes, you're probably right that he was still following a script! LOL

[?noanswer]

Thanks Neffy, I'm safe and sound in San Diego, spent the last few days taking my money back from the Indians out here. Only been able to catch NG a couple of times, not much in the papers out here about Caylee.

Good, bet JB will try to COV out there!!! JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks Neffy, I'm safe and sound in San Diego, spent the last few days taking my money back from the Indians out here. Only been able to catch NG a couple of times, not much in the papers out here about Caylee.

Reportedly Orange County Corrections Dept called NG tonight to correct untruths. Guess I'll watch.
jmo

[Neffy]

Thanks Neffy, I'm safe and sound in San Diego, spent the last few days taking my money back from the Indians out here. Only been able to catch NG a couple of times, not much in the papers out here about Caylee.

Good for you. I take it you came back with your name intact. I'm afraid to go back to Vegas as I think they want their's back from my last trip :scared:

Biggest shocker oops BOMBSHELL on NG tonight was Zenaida Gonzalez did in fact have NY license plates, George is in the hospital on a voluntary basis also Cindy had George lie about seeing Casey and Caylee leave.

[aubrey04]

The entire family is being questioned about what they knew about the nanny.

Yup. It goes to the heart of ZG's civil complaint. And I was unaware that ZG drove a car with New York license plates until tonight. Casey said that ZG was from New York.. That really gives me evidence that Casey DID get ZG's info from the Sawgrass Apartments.

It really strengthens ZG's case against Casey.

ETA ~ Happy Bday, Cloe!

[happygert]

sorry I'm confused

so the call at 7:45am on June 16th is Casey using the home phone to call her cell phone?

No confussion she wasn't home...or cindy would have said I seen casey before i left for work instead of saying I know they were there I heard them sleeping...

[Neffy]

Reportedly Orange County Corrections Dept called NG tonight to correct untruths. Guess I'll watch.
jmo

OH that's right :w00t: Nancy's the corrections department is furious blew up on her *snickers*

[Puffybubble]

Lenny said Casey split the night of the 15th.

Why does her phone records show she was close to the house?

Did she park at the end of the street, kill Caylee and leave her there, and still talk with Tony Lazzaro for most of the night, text, and phone calls?

[Mamie]

You may be right - George, IMO, certainly has NOT acted like a law enforcement officer in any aspect of this case. His interviews with LE are pathetic. Lots of manipulation and double talk. Some truth, some con. He is not an upstanding person, imo.


I agree. If he was, he wouldn't let Cindy walk all over him, or anybody walk all over him. He'd have too much personal pride to let that happen but I think he was broken a long time ago. Oh, and then there's that Africa money scam, don't forget that he fell for (or so he told LE) with the bank and all. LMAO!

[PuffDragon]

When did that happen? I missed it. :huh:

I'm looking for the link, Say. All I remember for sure is that Nancy was rather short with Cindy when she was first making the rounds of the shows and Cindy wasn't taking it well. I'll keep looking, I'm not sure when it was so I'm starting at the beginning.

[steffaroob4]

sorry I'm confused

so the call at 7:45am on June 16th is Casey using the home phone to call her cell phone?

I believe so, there are two calls on the original set of cell calls, each at the same exact time. One is from A's home to Casey cell, the other is Casey checking her messages.

Now, in the Nov. 26th doc dump they have updated calls and that call is not even on there, it also has all those Lexus call change by number and listed as Genitva Health calls. There is also the A's home phone records and they don't show that call either.

I think it was a screw up or just Casey checking her messages.

[happygert]

Lenny said Casey split the night of the 15th.

Why does her phone records show she was close to the house?

Did she park at the end of the street, kill Caylee and leave her there, and still talk with Tony Lazzaro for most of the night, text, and phone calls?


Tony dont live to far from amscot.. they showed the other night how far he lived it was close very close like I'm thinking they said 5 or 6 blocks...think it was on Geta or GR they had a map...Also Lenny said someone seen her in a motel parking lot at think he said 1:30 am on the 16th.. on the phone and no Caylee was seen... we'll just have to wait and see if someone's on the witness list to talk about that

[happygert]

Wonderingiof they are missing a hamper.

Yes I'll bet they missed the hamper...mo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Yup. It goes to the heart of ZG's civil complaint. And I was unaware that ZG drove a car with New York license plates until tonight. Casey said that ZG was from New York.. That really gives me evidence that Casey DID get ZG's info from the Sawgrass Apartments.

It really strengthens ZG's case against Casey.

ETA ~ Happy Bday, Cloe!


IMO, the New York tag info surfaced from question #9 of ZFG civil case questions.
jmo

[happygert]

GA going to stay in hospital . trying to get out of the depo.. I can hear BC now he's not stable enough to do the depo. He's under Psychiatric care and is on meds..Therefore cindy can't do depo because georges is on meds.. Just like george couldn't take LDT because cindy was on meds.. can you say excuses after excuses....jmho

[PuffDragon]

That call does NOT show up on the Nov 26th document dump, which had Casey cell phone call, plus the house calls.

Really? Oh dear, I'll have to demote that entry into column #2: Hearsay.

[Oregongal]

I think he felt forced into lying by Casey and Cindy. He was pretty honest when he had his alone time with LE and the FBI - then sang a different tune during interviews with the media.

I wonder how truthful he was in the courtroom during the grand jury. What a mess - maybe that is why he is hiding out in the psych ward - he's trying to stay away from all the pressures from people who want him to lie.

jmo

I think George was probably absolutely truthful with the GJ. I may be what has been eating at him since then. On top of everything else.
I have a feeling that George has at least suspected the truth...his daughter killed his beloved grandaughter...from the beginning.
As the remains were found, the evidence has been disclosed, he got to that point none of ever want to be in...he had to release the 'suspicion' and go into the OMG, my daughter killed my grandaughter mode and it just hurt so bad he sought the only escape he saw at that moment.
I think that since he obviously has chosen to stay past the mandated 72 hrs, he is getting the help he desperately needs at this time for his mental health. I pray that his doctors and the staff are able to give him the tools necessary for him to go forward, to face and deal with all that is upcoming. I pray they are helping him realize, it's not over yet.
There is still a funeral for Caylee, there is still a trial for Casey to come.
Who can blame him for needing some time out from all that has happened and to get the help he will need to go thru what is to come?

[?noanswer]

IMO, the New York tag info surfaced from question #9 of ZFG civil case questions.
jmo

Didn't ZG attorney say that tonight on NG? It was also on the questionairre. JMO

[steffaroob4]

No steff not buying that it said went straight to voice mail...no answer.. casey wasnt home on the 16th...someone called casey casey didnt use home phone at that time on the 16th ..if that was the case cindy would have seen her before she left for work..cindy: I know caseyand Caylee was home when I left on the 16th ...I HEARD THEM SLEEPING!

Latest set os cell records
page 20 for casey's cell (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202551-2600f.pdf)
page 44 A's home records (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202551-2600f.pdf)(out going calls)

[happygert]

thanks gert :)

wow that's huge i hope they can use it to show G&A were lying about the 16th :thumbsup:

Hope so to.....Hope what LP said about someone seeing casey on a parking lot at a motel on her phone came forward....hope its true.. now that would knock ca nd ga right out of the water.....

[Cury-us Coyote]

GA going to stay in hospital . trying to get out of the depo.. I can hear BC now he's not stable enough to do the depo. He's under Psychiatric care and is on meds..Therefore cindy can't do depo because georges is on meds.. Just like george couldn't take LDT because cindy was on meds.. can you say excuses after excuses....jmho

Isn't that the same excuse NeJame used for the A's failure to take polygraphs?

[happygert]

bwahahahah! that was priceless.... plus Cindy looked as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof while greta was questioning George and he was fumble bumbling along

:laugh:

yep.........

[happygert]

Isn't that the same excuse NeJame used for the A's failure to take polygraphs?

It sure was! Now I'm waiting for BC to follow his lead...

[steffaroob4]

Was there anything on Greta??

[Cury-us Coyote]

Didn't ZG attorney say that tonight on NG? It was also on the questionairre. JMO

B/4 you told LE that Caylee was with ZG the last time you saw her, were you aware that ZG had been to Sawgrass Apts and was driving a car with NY tags?
http://www.wftv.com/news/18605417/detail.html

Leading, open-ending?

[Mamie]

"Please do."
----------Leonard Padilla

[?noanswer]

Was there anything on Greta??


Not about this case. Don't think there will be as there has been no mention of it.

I was wrong. She's talking about Kronk and his new job. Said he had asked for the job before he found Caylee. That's all folks!! JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Was there anything on Greta??

Right now RK's new job.
jmo

[steffaroob4]

Lee Anthony gets deposition notice (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8338910&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

Some days, I wish I was a fly.

[Neffy]

That call does NOT show up on the Nov 26th document dump, which had Casey cell phone call, plus the house calls.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

6/16 7:45:51 Calls ends Anthony home

[MiamiNice1]

I agree. If he was, he wouldn't let Cindy walk all over him, or anybody walk all over him. He'd have too much personal pride to let that happen but I think he was broken a long time ago. Oh, and then there's that Africa money scam, don't forget that he fell for (or so he told LE) with the bank and all. LMAO!
Oh yeah....I forgot about the Nigerian Bank Scam. Ridiculous on it's face. This is a years old, well-known scam here in Florida. I don't buy it. I believe George was covering up gambling debt. :cursing:

[?noanswer]

Lee Anthony gets deposition notice (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8338910&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

Some days, I wish I was a fly.

Do you recognize any of the people in the picture with Lee? JMO

[happygert]

When lenny did his webcast a week ago Sunday he said that someone called him with that information and that they never located or identified the person that called, I'm sure if LE had verification of this it would have been laeked by now.

JMO
dang i was hoping.......

[johnielee333]

Lee Anthony gets deposition notice (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8338910&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

Some days, I wish I was a fly.

i am the fly but it hasnt helped me with this case. :biggrinjester:

[aubrey04]

GA going to stay in hospital . trying to get out of the depo.. I can hear BC now he's not stable enough to do the depo. He's under Psychiatric care and is on meds..Therefore cindy can't do depo because georges is on meds.. Just like george couldn't take LDT because cindy was on meds.. can you say excuses after excuses....jmho

Okay - I have to laugh at this post. :lol: It is so true though..

[need2no]

Nancy Grace's phone interview with Cindy Anthony:

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/nancy-grace-grills-cindy-anthony-in-phone-interview/

(she talks about the extra key casey carries, and why)

[johnielee333]

Oh yeah....I forgot about the Nigerian Bank Scam. Ridiculous on it's face. This is a years old, well-known scam here in Florida. I don't buy it. I believe George was covering up gambling debt. :cursing:

yes me too.

[steffaroob4]

Do you recognize any of the people in the picture with Lee? JMO

Nope, not a very good picture.

[happygert]

Latest set os cell records
page 20 for casey's cell (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202551-2600f.pdf)
page 44 A's home records (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202551-2600f.pdf)(out going calls)

I dont know why you posted them thats not all the records There was a phone call from A's house at 7:45 am to Casey's cell......not arguing with you about them call was made from a's home to casey cell period..6/16/2008 call from a's house to casey's cell. 7:45:51 call ends call begins 7:45:51 casey retrives voice mail heres a more complete list......

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

[MiamiNice1]

Four words? Repeat Melinda Ducket Case

(lawsuit)
Two words? I agree. :)

[Neffy]

I dont know why you posted them thats not all the records There was a phone call from A's house at 7:45 am to Casey's cell......not arguing with you about them call was made from a's home to casey cell period..

Gert scroll back I just posted it.

edited:
Or don't I forgot I still had it up in another window LOL

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

6/16 7:45:51

[msgatorslayer]

Good for you. I take it you came back with your name intact. I'm afraid to go back to Vegas as I think they want their's back from my last trip :scared:

Biggest shocker oops BOMBSHELL on NG tonight was Zenaida Gonzalez did in fact have NY license plates, George is in the hospital on a voluntary basis also Cindy had George lie about seeing Casey and Caylee leave.

:w00t: Cindy had George lie about seeing Casey and Caylee? NG said this? Where did she get this information?

I'm not surprised cause I never believed it. But to see that it is now, can I call it, FACT? WOW!!!!

Cindy was coaching George in the interview when he said it. It was a dead give away. You could tell it wasn't George's story to tell.

[Oregongal]

:seeya:

I'm sure it's been and Casey's belly aching you have each other and I have no one. Old clueless doesn't have one inkling of what or who she's torn thru in the outside world.

:seeya: back Neffy.
Po, po, pitiful Casey.
I don't usually use this icon, but for this I feel the need.....barf
No, she has no idea because her sociopathic brain cannot process anyone else's feelings other than her own. Including her baby's and her very untimely death. Casey is a cold hearted, totally disconnected from true human feelings bi***.

[Neffy]

:w00t: Cindy had George lie about seeing Casey and Caylee? NG said this? Where did she get this information?

I'm not surprised cause I never believed it. But to see that it is now, can I call it, FACT? WOW!!!!

Cindy was coaching George in the interview when he said it. It was a dead give away. You could tell it wasn't George's story to tell.

I'm Sorry per Lenny!

[msgatorslayer]

I'm Sorry per Lenny!

Ah, okay. I thought I missed something huge, like LE had the information. Lenny was giving his opinion, I take it? Though, it is an opinion I share.:wink:

[steffaroob4]

I dont know why you posted them thats not all the records There was a phone call from A's house at 7:45 am to Casey's cell......not arguing with you about them call was made from a's home to casey cell period..

I am just posting the facts, I am not arguing with anyone.

I even gave the page numbers, I didn't just toss up a link and told you to find the info. Those are the A's home records and they do NOT show a call, neither do those updated ones of Casey's cell in that dump. Which correct the mistake of the Lexus number, all I am saying is, if there was a goof with that original set you are looking at with the Lexus number, other things may be worng too.

All those Lexus calls can't be to Lexus and Gentiva at the same time, one set of records must be wrong.

[need2no]

I dont know why you posted them thats not all the records There was a phone call from A's house at 7:45 am to Casey's cell......not arguing with you about them call was made from a's home to casey cell period..6/16/2008 call from a's house to casey's cell. 7:45:51 call ends call begins 7:45:51 casey retrives voice mail heres a more complete list......

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716


Yes, there was.

[happygert]

Gert scroll back I just posted it.

edited:
Or don't I forgot I still had it up in another window LOL

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

6/16 7:45:51

Thanks Neffy sorry I posted them too when I finally found them...couldn't remember where I put them..

[Oregongal]

The case is FILLED with these little, but important, inconsistencies that need to be clarified. This unravels their whole lie of George seeing Casey and Caylee leaving the morning of the 16th (and of couse, Cindy's lie of "tucking them in....:rolleyes:)

This case reminds me of my younger years and I had just learned to knit. Someone gave me a big bag of yarn and it was not in neat, tidy balls. I spent hours upon hours and days upon days trying to untangle and co-ordinate all of it. I was finally able to complete this task and was actually able to make a pretty afghan out of this mess.
I see the pros as doing the exact thing with all the inconsistencies and lies and God willing the trial will be become a nice, neat and beautifully put together case against Casey for the jury.

[Oregongal]

Hi OG:seeya: You have a pm

I read it and responded.
:wink:

[steffaroob4]

Thanks Neffy sorry I posted them too when I finally found them...couldn't remember where I put them..

FYI, that link is not to orginal docs, that is something someone made. I have never seen those before, I have NO idea what call ends are or text begins are either, if you know please share, cause I never saw that info on original or newer records.

[happygert]

I am just posting the facts, I am not arguing with anyone.

I even gave the page numbers, I didn't just toss up a link and told you to find the info. Those are the A's home records and they do NOT show a call, neither do those updated ones of Casey's cell in that dump. Which correct the mistake of the Lexus number, all I am saying is, if there was a goof with that original set you are looking at with the Lexus number, other things may be worng too.

All those Lexus calls can't be to Lexus and Gentiva at the same time, one set of records must be wrong.

NO that was not the FACTS ...the fact is call was made from home phone to casey's phone...at 7:45 AM on the 16th.....check out the link below if you want the fact..and truth that phone call was made and does exist.
I'm not always right but on this one I am..If Im wrong I'd admit it.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

[happygert]

[QUOTE=steffaroob4;12734391]FYI, that link is not to orginal docs, that is something someone made. I have never seen those before, I have NO idea what call ends are or text begins are either, if you know please share, cause I never saw that info on original or newer records.[/QUOTE}

Ok I know some people always have to be right no matter if its in black and white......Some will never admit they made a mistake.....

[MiamiNice1]

This case reminds me of my younger years and I had just learned to knit. Someone gave me a big bag of yarn and it was not in neat, tidy balls. I spent hours upon hours and days upon days trying to untangle and co-ordinate all of it. I was finally able to complete this task and was actually able to make a pretty afghan out of this mess.
I see the pros as doing the exact thing with all the inconsistencies and lies and God willing the trial will be become a nice, neat and beautifully put together case against Casey for the jury.
That is an excellent analogy, OG. This case is a tangled web that will hopefully be carefully untangled, ending in justice for Caylee.

[happygert]

thanks for the link gert!

You're correct as usual :)

Your Welcome Kit....and thanks..

[steffaroob4]

NO that was not the FACTS ...the fact is call was made from home phone to casey's phone...at 7:45 AM on the 16th.....check out the link below if you want the fact..and truth that phone call was made and does exist.
I'm not always right but on this one I am..If Im wrong I'd admit it.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

I am just saying, you have to pick one set or another, since there are two sets and each are different, what is wrong with that, I can't control what the state gave us, it is a fact there are two different sets of cell calls. Did you even look at the set I put up, because I looked at yours.

[PuffDragon]

When did that happen? I missed it. :huh:

Okay, Say, I think this is the very first interview NG had with Cindy. Nancy was fairly gentle and Cindy was on her first media binge and still polite in this one:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/17/ng.01.html

It's 3/4 of the way through, nearly down to the end of the page. You can see a definite difference between this personality and the hostility she developed later. I'm still looking through the transcripts for the next (I think it was the last) interview NG did with her. I haven't found it yet but I really don't think I dreamed it. I will have to put it off till tomorrow, I can see any more after dredging though miles and miles of repeats of the same video clips over and over. I'm sure it's somewhere and I'm determined to find it. Just not tonight.

[Balesha]

The case is FILLED with these little, but important, inconsistencies that need to be clarified. This unravels their whole lie of George seeing Casey and Caylee leaving the morning of the 16th (and of couse, Cindy's lie of "tucking them in....:rolleyes:)

I've always thought that if you could prove that she left the house in the wee hours of Sunday (technically Monday the 16th....wee hours), then you can prove premeditated murder. If this were the case, then Casey has NO ALIBI for that night. It would also be very unlikely that she would be dropping the baby off at 3 am with the baby sitter. Where would she need to go with a 3 year old at 3 am????? Very suspicious that she would leave at that hour. I think she took her out of the house in the wee hours, killed her, and then disposed of the body 2 days later. We also know that she slept in late on the Tuesday....I would too if I were up all night the previous day killing someone.

[Oregongal]

Another good post, Oregongal!

Thanks Exiled. Tho when I read it....past time for editing, I could tell that was when my gson and daughter and puppy were in here...:ohmy: the typo's.
They have all just gone to bed now. So if I write anything else tonight that has that many typo's, guess you all will finally know my secret.....my fingers are faster than my brain or vice versa.
:wink:

[happygert]

This case reminds me of my younger years and I had just learned to knit. Someone gave me a big bag of yarn and it was not in neat, tidy balls. I spent hours upon hours and days upon days trying to untangle and co-ordinate all of it. I was finally able to complete this task and was actually able to make a pretty afghan out of this mess.
I see the pros as doing the exact thing with all the inconsistencies and lies and God willing the trial will be become a nice, neat and beautifully put together case against Casey for the jury.


roflmao..... it wasn't me that gave you that yarn...I gave it to my DIL's mom.......

[MiamiNice1]

I've always thought that if you could prove that she left the house in the wee hours of Sunday (technically Monday the 16th....wee hours), then you can prove premeditated murder. If this were the case, then Casey has NO ALIBI for that night. It would also be very unlikely that she would be dropping the baby off at 3 am with the baby sitter. Where would she need to go with a 3 year old at 3 am????? Very suspicious that she would leave at that hour. I think she took her out of the house in the wee hours, killed her, and then disposed of the body 2 days later. We also know that she slept in late on the Tuesday....I would too if I were up all night the previous day killing someone.

These are good thoughts and EXACTLY why it is important that Cindy and George tell the TRUTH. There are a few scenarios to ponder, based on when EXACTLY Casey left with Caylee.

Shame on these grandparents. I know it's only wishful thinking, but I wish they would be made to account for their obstruction in the search for their own granddaughter!!

[need2no]

Okay, Say, I think this is the very first interview NG had with Cindy. Nancy was fairly gentle and Cindy was on her first media binge and still polite in this one:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/17/ng.01.html

It's 3/4 of the way through, nearly down to the end of the page. You can see a definite difference between this personality and the hostility she developed later. I'm still looking through the transcripts for the next (I think it was the last) interview NG did with her. I haven't found it yet but I really don't think I dreamed it. I will have to put it off till tomorrow, I can see any more after dredging though miles and miles of repeats of the same video clips over and over. I'm sure it's somewhere and I'm determined to find it. Just not tonight.


This one is a phone convo between Nancy and Cindy:

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/nancy-grace-grills-cindy-anthony-in-phone-interview/

Catch how Cindy calls NG Nance near the beginning. She also told Nancy the only reason she was doing this (the interview) was because of HOLLY. :w00t:

[happygert]

There is also a call from George to Casey's cell at 3:04 6/16. Didn't he just see Casey and Caylee leave the house for "work" about 2 hours before? Did he mention this call anywhere to LE?

Thats what he said....not that im aware of...

[5boxersmom]

About the phone records. I think there was some when the first docs came out and then some more when more docs came out. I think some may have been left off or added. Does that make sense?

jmo

[5boxersmom]

This case reminds me of my younger years and I had just learned to knit. Someone gave me a big bag of yarn and it was not in neat, tidy balls. I spent hours upon hours and days upon days trying to untangle and co-ordinate all of it. I was finally able to complete this task and was actually able to make a pretty afghan out of this mess.
I see the pros as doing the exact thing with all the inconsistencies and lies and God willing the trial will be become a nice, neat and beautifully put together case against Casey for the jury.

I think you put this very well. Still trying to learn to knit myself. :biggrin:

[Ionmhainn]

CNN HN Archive 10/6/08

Let`s go to the polygraph expert, Jack Trimarco. He is the former FBI polygraph unit chief in LA. Jack, thank you for being with us. What do they mean when they say they want the records on the polygraph machine itself?

JACK TRIMARCO, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nancy, as a many time visitor to your show over the years, I`d like to do something I`ve never done before and that is deflect your question for a moment. One of the defense attorneys made a comment about the honesty of Leonard Padilla, and I`d like to just say that from 1978 to 1981, I worked many fugitive cases with Leonard Padilla. I was a young FBI agent then. And when Leonard Padilla gives you his word or says something on the record, you take it to the bank. He`s one of the most honest people...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0810/06/ng.01.html


What the transcript can't show is the chuckling by Lenny and Trimarco. I recall thinking that the comment wasn't so serious.... and I can't help wondering what Trimarco thinks aout Lenny now.

[steffaroob4]

About the phone records. I think there was some when the first docs came out and then some more when more docs came out. I think some may have been left off or added. Does that make sense?

jmo

Thanks
That is all I have been trying to say, there are 2 different sets, they both can't be right, since the are not exactly the same.

[Oregongal]

That is an excellent analogy, OG. This case is a tangled web that will hopefully be carefully untangled, ending in justice for Caylee.

Amen Miami!
Isn't that what we are all here for?
Caylee :rose:

[Narcissist71]

Four words? Repeat Melinda Ducket Case

(lawsuit)


So you believe that NG believes the Melinda Ducket Case has merit and she doesn't want to make the same mistake?

I don't follow this because I'm sure that the network has attorneys that are paid to defend such a lawsuit. I doubt it is costing NG to pay them, and the networks probably pay a retainer whether they use them or not.

So that excuse does fly IMO.

ETA.....I don't think the lawsuit in the Melinda Ducket Case has any foundation....but that is just my opinion....I suppose

[happygert]

There is also a call from George to Casey's cell at 3:04 6/16. Didn't he just see Casey and Caylee leave the house for "work" about 2 hours before? Did he mention this call anywhere to LE?

she also made 6 calls to cindys cell and 2 home phone.....

[Oregongal]

:wink:

I think I'll have a drink, can I fetch one for you as well?

I'll take some Chardonnay Kit. Thank you kindly.
Chill time.

[5boxersmom]

Thanks
That is all I have been trying to say, there are 2 different sets, they both can't be right, since the are not exactly the same.

They may have left some off on the first drop for further investigation and then put them back in or vice versa.

Just saying.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

she also made 6 calls to cindys cell and 2 home phone.....

What do you think was going on then? Do you think that is when it happen?

[Pruddennce]

There is also a call from George to Casey's cell at 3:04 6/16. Didn't he just see Casey and Caylee leave the house for "work" about 2 hours before? Did he mention this call anywhere to LE?

no he did not.

I do have a question....on this link:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202551-2600f.pdf

handwritten page 2592 (page 42)

were these outgoing calls from the anthony home?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Oregongal]

roflmao..... it wasn't me that gave you that yarn...I gave it to my DIL's mom.......

:lol:
My first thought was....and how do you know I'm not your DIL's mom?
:lol:
It just struck me funny for some reason. I know I'm not, but thanks for the laugh.
:wub:

[PuffDragon]

Don't go to any trouble for a link, PD. I believes ya. :wink:
Your faith in me is commendable, Say. I wish I had as much in myself but my memory does try to play tricks. Now I have to prove it, if not to you, then to myself. If I can't find it I will be properly abashed.

[Balesha]

Maybe the 7 am call from the Anthony home to Casey's cell was her wondering where Casey went. I think Casey left in the wee hours without saying anything to them, so Cindy called to find out where she was. Probably same reason that George called Casey at 3 p.m.

[happygert]

What do you think was going on then? Do you think that is when it happen?

I think she was trying to find out where exactly her mom and dad was.. Imo she was trying to think what she was going to do with Caylee's body.. I think at first she was going to tell cindy Caylee got into the pool and drowned.. Thats why ladder was out and gate was left open.. Then she though better of it.Because they's know by autopsy that she didnt drown and she'd been dead longer then casey said...So she kept her in trunk..

[PuffDragon]

Ahhh, Puffy! I wish you wouldn't go to this trouble! I'm not one to ask for links. I just didn't recollect NG ever talked to Cindy, but your word was as good as any link far as I'm concerned. :wub:

Please don't go hunting down anything else on my account, please!

It's on my account now Say. I want it. It's a quest.

[Pruddennce]

NO that was not the FACTS ...the fact is call was made from home phone to casey's phone...at 7:45 AM on the 16th.....check out the link below if you want the fact..and truth that phone call was made and does exist.
I'm not always right but on this one I am..If Im wrong I'd admit it.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

hey gert, here is the actual phone log, not an excel sheet:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1635999/Casey_Anthony_Cell_Log_part3
page 14

it shows the 7:45am call on 6/16.

best regards,
Pru

[5boxersmom]

I think she was trying to find out where exactly her mom and dad was.. Imo she was trying to think what she was going to do with Caylee's body.. I think at first she was going to tell cindy Caylee got into the pool and drowned.. Thast why ladder was out and gate was left open.. Then she though better of it.Because they's know by autopsy that she didnt drown and she'd been dead longer then casey said...So she kept her in trunk..

I think you are correct. :biggrin:

Did she try to call Jesse around the same time?

[MiamiNice1]

I'm so with you, Miami. It was too late to save the baby, but I think LE might've either found her quicker and/or come up with a plan to get more information out of Casey if they knew early on the exact circumstances surrounding her departure from the A's home.
Just thinking about this, SW, makes me want to turn myself inside out with frustration. Many more things could have been accomplished if the TRUTH had been disclosed.

Like many of the posters here, I can see that trying to get the TRUTH out of Cindy is just as hopeless as trying to get the TRUTH out of Casey. I still wonder if Cindy has learned anything from this? I sadly doubt it.

[MiamiNice1]

It's on my account now Say. I want it. It's a quest.
Thanks for your efforts, Puff! It is always good to refresh our recollections (the way my memory is, it will be like I'm seeing it for the first time, again! :) )

[MiamiNice1]

Maybe the 7 am call from the Anthony home to Casey's cell was her wondering where Casey went. I think Casey left in the wee hours without saying anything to them, so Cindy called to find out where she was. Probably same reason that George called Casey at 3 p.m.
I agree - this is exactly what it sounds like those phone calls were about. Your theories have been good ones, Balesha.

[happygert]

I am just saying, you have to pick one set or another, since there are two sets and each are different, what is wrong with that, I can't control what the state gave us, it is a fact there are two different sets of cell calls. Did you even look at the set I put up, because I looked at yours.

I most certainly did what was there 8 - 10 calls on the 16th on your list....casey made 8 calls alone to her home phone (2) and (6) to her cell phone on that day...the list you posted was not a complete list imo....

[happygert]

where are my squares???? I demand to know!!!

:crying:

In the closet..In a tub....lol...I could start my own yarn store....

[PuffDragon]

This one is a phone convo between Nancy and Cindy:

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/nancy-grace-grills-cindy-anthony-in-phone-interview/

Catch how Cindy calls NG Nance near the beginning. She also told Nancy the only reason she was doing this (the interview) was because of HOLLY. :w00t:

Yes, much obliged n2n, that's what I thought I remembered, it may very well be the one! You could see Nancy getting impatient with Cindy by the end and then she just cut her off. I'm going to check a little further on among the transcripts but I do think that was the last one for NG with Cindy.

Ironically I stopped looked just before I got to that date because I thought I'd gone too far. Figures. i guess I can call it a night now. Thanks. :seeya:

[Balesha]

I agree - this is exactly what it sounds like those phone calls were about. Your theories have been good ones, Balesha.

TY Miami. The time that she left that house is so critical to this case because it puts us one step closer to premeditated murder if we can prove that she left in the wee hours. Casey leaves with Caylee at 3 a.m. and no one ever sees her again. Hmmmmm. Why on Earth would she need to leave the house with a toddler at 3 am???? Answer - to do something sinister.

Since Casey had probably never done this before (leave early in the morning without saying anything), Cindy wakes up for work and calls Casey.

[PuffDragon]

Here you go Say, Need2No found it for us:

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/200...one-interview/ (http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/nancy-grace-grills-cindy-anthony-in-phone-interview/)

It's such a relief to know I didn't imagine it.
Now I can stagger off to sleep in peace. Night all :seeya: .

[Pruddennce]

Just thinking about this, SW, makes me want to turn myself inside out with frustration. Many more things could have been accomplished if the TRUTH had been disclosed.

Like many of the posters here, I can see that trying to get the TRUTH out of Cindy is just as hopeless as trying to get the TRUTH out of Casey. I still wonder if Cindy has learned anything from this? I sadly doubt it.

I agree.

why did she leave the home and in what emotional state did she leave the home.

those two questions would have provoked an entirely different type of LE interview with Casey A as well as the Anthonys.

the anthonys chose to lie because, IMO, her departure, state of mind, could be construed as motive.

they knew it, and they lied.

Casey's lies are and have been cloaked by Cindy. note Shirley P's statement to LE that casey stole from her and her husband. Cindy knew it and told her brother yeah, well, it was under $50 one time AND the other time, yes, she stole the router #, but hey she didnt cash the check she stole the router # off of....

whattttttttttt???????

I feel the frustration of the family members initially trying to get thru to Cindy. its a dead end. she is a liar and thief as well. pocketing money right out of Casey's wallet while her granddaughter was supposedly kidnapped...that was important to her?

the first thing she did was clean the car and wash the pants, when she got home from work.....her co-workers told her to go home and call police. she did not.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

[happygert]

I think you are correct. :biggrin:

Did she try to call Jesse around the same time?

yes she tried to call Jesse at 13:26:41 before she called cindy then Jesse called her at 13:27:04 she must not have answered unless it was a text he then called her at 14:52 and was on there 11 minutes..then GA calls casey at 15:04..

[Balesha]

And the other thing is that babies get up early. I don't see how George could be home all morning and only see Caylee when she was on her way out the door with Casey.

[Oregongal]

ITA Ktee... Georgie will milk this for all it's worth while he sits in the hospital eating jello and having his pillow fluffed.

The dude needs to grow a set and go home to his family... no wonder Cindy has carried the LOAD around that household for so long!
Cindys mom complained about that in her emails.. how Cindy has to carry the whole load and what a useless waste of space George is.

When push comes to shove....George falls apart, curls into the fetal position and hides under his covers.

Cindy is the opposite, When the going gets tough, the tough get going!

I'm sorry Kit, but I have to say this....this sounds like someone who has never suffered clinical depression.
I myself have and do and can totally understand and empathasize with George right now.
Yes, when you suffer from this disease, when push comes to shove the person suffering tends to fall apart, curl into a fetal position and hide under the covers.
It's not something we want to do. In fact, it's something we wish we wouldn't do. While we are under those covers, hiding, we pray to God that we were better and stronger than we are. Yet there is something within our brain chemistry that weighs us down.
There are many who suffer from depression that have seemingly no reason. There are no major problems or crisises in their lives, yet they are depressed.
Then there are those of us who do have major problems, have experienced many crisises and also have the disease of depression.
This is where I see George. He most likely has suffered a mild depression thruout his life. This would speak to his inability to stand up to his strong willed wife and daughter as well as his job history. He has now, with this horrible life situation, gone into a major depressive mode.
OMG, he wanted to end his life. No, I don't think it was a scam or planned scenario to gain sympathy or whatever else some would and have thought and stated.
This man has and is suffering. Whether it be because he was forced to lie by his strong willed wife, or be that he reached the point where he saw the truth of his previous suspicions...he broke. In fact I give him more credit for breaking than I give to Cindy for continuing to be in denial about their daughter. And I can't in the least blame him for wanting to continue to stay in a safe place, away from the one who he loves, but is not able to agree with any longer, his wife.
I would hope that Cindy sees George now as someone who truly feels and is broken by the truth about their daughter. I would also hope and pray that when and if she does recognize this, she herself will be able to get the help she also needs.

Can I still have that drink you offered?
:)

[happygert]

where are my squares???? I demand to know!!!

:crying:

You know if I just have a little yarn left over and done using it I make them into squares.. whip up afghan in no time.

Im hoping like OG that the pros will whip all of there pieces into a big puzzles where all fits into a neat little package and not leave one juror with a doubt in there minds that casey killed Caylee...

[MiamiNice1]

TY Miami. The time that she left that house is so critical to this case because it puts us one step closer to premeditated murder if we can prove that she left in the wee hours. Casey leaves with Caylee at 3 a.m. and no one ever sees her again. Hmmmmm. Why on Earth would she need to leave the house with a toddler at 3 am???? Answer - to do something sinister.

Since Casey had probably never done this before (leave early in the morning without saying anything), Cindy wakes up for work and calls Casey.

Yes! Knowing the TRUTH about the fight and the circumstances under which Casey left, it would have helped LE to know that after the fight, Casey would have left the Anthony house with her toddler - ANGRY. What did that ANGER lead her to do?

You're right, Balesha - their questions to Casey would have been OH so different!

[happygert]

And the other thing is that babies get up early. I don't see how George could be home all morning and only see Caylee when she was on her way out the door with Casey.

I don't buy that either...My Grandson is up at the crack of dawn most of the time..and he's most defiantly up by 7 -7:30 at the latest... He's so cute when you get him up he says HI mawmaw....brings smile just thinking about it...Brings tears thinking aout Caylee and her asking her papa if he's tired..And knowing that was her last day on this earth...

[Oregongal]

where are my squares???? I demand to know!!!

:crying:

I have them KTee.
I'll send them to you 'without haste'.
:tonguewag:

[MiamiNice1]

I agree.

why did she leave the home and in what emotional state did she leave the home.

those two questions would have provoked an entirely different type of LE interview with Casey A as well as the Anthonys.

the anthonys chose to lie because, IMO, her departure, state of mind, could be construed as motive.

they knew it, and they lied.

Casey's lies are and have been cloaked by Cindy. note Shirley P's statement to LE that casey stole from her and her husband. Cindy knew it and told her brother yeah, well, it was under $50 one time AND the other time, yes, she stole the router #, but hey she didnt cash the check she stole the router # off of....

whattttttttttt???????

I feel the frustration of the family members initially trying to get thru to Cindy. its a dead end. she is a liar and thief as well. pocketing money right out of Casey's wallet while her granddaughter was supposedly kidnapped...that was important to her?

the first thing she did was clean the car and wash the pants, when she got home from work.....her co-workers told her to go home and call police. she did not.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

You have laid this out beautifully, Pru (as always!)

I just posted the same thing about how important it would have been for LE to know Casey's emotional state when leaving the house.

I completely agree with your explanation regarding the Anthony's motives in NOT telling the truth (bolding is mine, above) - it wouldn't look good for Casey at all - having left the house in a rage. It would hand her over to LE on a silver platter with that kind of a motive.

imo

[CanCan]

That's the $64,000 question, Miami. Didn't they want to find Caylee? How dare they prioritize keeping their dirty laundry in the hamper over finding their granddaughter?

Except....err....their hamper was lying in the woods, know what I mean? :cuss:

[Balesha]

You know if I just have a little yarn left over and done using it I make them into squares.. whip up afghan in no time.

Im hoping like OG that the pros will whip all of there pieces into a big puzzles where all fits into a neat little package and not leave one juror with a doubt in there minds that casey killed Caylee...

Oh me too.

I know exactly how I would do it if I were the prosecutor....I would weave it right into that One Tree Hill episode. I'm of the mind that Casey did NOT kill Caylee in a rage. I think she planned it and had been thinking about it for a while. I am also crazy enough to think that Casey set it up to make it look like the nanny framed Cindy (this backfired of course b/c the finger is pointing at only one person). In One Tree Hill the nanny dyes the kidnapped child's hair. I would not be surprised if Casey dyed Caylee's hair blonde, just like Cindy's. I wish I had more info to be able to back this up.

[happygert]

I have them KTee.
I'll send them to you 'without haste'.
:tonguewag:

LOL.....what color where they again?....

[Oregongal]

Here you go Say, Need2No found it for us:

http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/200...one-interview/ (http://daliagirl33.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/nancy-grace-grills-cindy-anthony-in-phone-interview/)

It's such a relief to know I didn't imagine it.
Now I can stagger off to sleep in peace. Night all :seeya: .

Good night Puff, sleep well. And thank you for all your hard work and the new thread.
:thumbup:

[Oregongal]

I don't buy that either...My Grandson is up at the crack of dawn most of the time..and he's most defiantly up by 7 -7:30 at the latest... He's so cute when you get him up he says HI mawmaw....brings smile just thinking about it...Brings tears thinking aout Caylee and her asking her papa if he's tired..And knowing that was her last day on this earth...

I've never bought it either. All my kids and grands have been bright eyed and bushy tailed as soon as it was light. Bouncing and hungry.
Brings smiles to me as well remembering. Too bad George doesn't have a true memory of that, because I don't think and never have thought his story of seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th was true.
Now he has to live with that lie. Which I'm sure is part of the reason he is still in the hospital.
:sad:
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[Balesha]

I want to add that I think Casey set it up to make it look like the nanny wanted to pin it on Cindy (body close to home, items from the home). Nanny (just like in One Tree Hill) is obsessed with "saving" Caylee from the evil Cindy/family conflict. I'd be willing to bet that this is how Casey described the nanny--- as the obsession gone wrong.

[happygert]

I've never bought it either. All my kids and grands have been bright eyed and bushy tailed as soon as it was light. Bouncing and hungry.
Brings smiles to me as well remembering. Too bad George doesn't have a true memory of that, because I don't think and never have thought his story of seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th was true.
Now he has to live with that lie. Which I'm sure is part of the reason he is still in the hospital.
:sad:
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Didnt Ga say he fed Caylee breakfast almost every day? or am I mistaken on this? cant remember for sure

[Oregongal]

i understand what you're saying oregongal and totally respect your right to your opinion but I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

I don't buy that George tried to kill himself... i think this is just more drama queen antics from the Anthonys.

ooops! didnt i bring your Chardonnay yet?? hmmm i mighta drunkled it myself... hehe... I'll get yours right now! .... no tip for me! :laugh:

If I'm not back in 5 minutes with your drink... send a search party...they'll find me under the stairs :tongueside:

I will agree to disagree because I like you.
That is of course if you bring me that Chardonnay.
I also think the drama queen is locked up at the moment and her parents and all who have ever had anything to do with her are suffering from the poison she has woven into their lives.
Get out from under those stairs and bring me what you promised.
:wink:

[happygert]

hey gert, here is the actual phone log, not an excel sheet:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1635999/Casey_Anthony_Cell_Log_part3
page 14

it shows the 7:45am call on 6/16.

best regards,
Pru

thanks Pru....

[CanCan]

Here is the interview http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html?sPage=fnc/ontherecord/caylee


:blink: Eeeeoooow.......what a creepy interview. George is soooo lying about the 16th.

And how about when Cindy tells that Casey says Caylee is nearby. Probably the only true word the tot-mom ever uttered.

jmo

[Balesha]

Anyone else agree that Casey was trying to make it look like the nanny was trying to frame Cindy?

[Oregongal]

LOL.....what color where they again?....

They are multi colored.
:lol:

[happygert]

Oh me too.

I know exactly how I would do it if I were the prosecutor....I would weave it right into that One Tree Hill episode. I'm of the mind that Casey did NOT kill Caylee in a rage. I think she planned it and had been thinking about it for a while. I am also crazy enough to think that Casey set it up to make it look like the nanny framed Cindy (this backfired of course b/c the finger is pointing at only one person). In One Tree Hill the nanny dyes the kidnapped child's hair. I would not be surprised if Casey dyed Caylee's hair blonde, just like Cindy's. I wish I had more info to be able to back this up.

If she had dyed her hair they'd know it was chemically treated.. so I dont see that happening.. No I'm with you.. She's planned Caylee's death since March.. that was her birthday persent to herself freedom...mo..

[Oregongal]

Didnt Ga say he fed Caylee breakfast almost every day? or am I mistaken on this? cant remember for sure

I remember that too. Yet, this day, the 16th, he didn't see them (Casey and Caylee) until 12:50pm on their way out the door????
:ohmy:

[5boxersmom]

What was it that Richard Grund ask George and he said because my wife doesn't want me to.

Anyone remember that?

[CanCan]

Sometimes it seems that Lenny is the voice of reason on Nancy
Grace show. He is the one person who has actually been in contact with the Anthony family and has been in the house and can correctly observe and report on what he has seen.

Seemed like a "bombshell" from him to actually say that Mr. Anthony was made to go out and tell the LE that he saw Casey and Kaylee in the am. No one that I can remember has ever stated that they actually left at midnight after the big fight.

Give Lenny P. a lot of credit for putting up with the interruptions that Nancy constantly throws in, and giving us some actual info and not an "opinion" only.

I, too, have never believed that Mr. Anthony saw Casey and Kaylee leave the next day because it would be a difficult thing to be able to tell LE, over a month later, exactly what they were wearing that day. Not buying it. The family is so wrapped up in lies and cover ups that it will be a miracle to ever get to the truth.

I have emailed Nancy asking her to stop cutting off Lenny and to ask him follow-up questions. The guy has got information - he just needs time to spit it out.

jmo

[Narcissist71]

Lenny said that Casey left the night before with Caylee around midnight! Where the heck did that rumor come from?

PADILLA: Well, Cindy creates havoc in that home. She -- she had George go out there and tell law enforcement that Casey and the baby left at 1:00 the next afternoon because she didn`t want to admit that that Casey ran without her child with midnight that night. She didn`t want -- so she puts George out there in front street.

Has he lost 1/2 a deck - or is there some reality in this. Nancy Grace didn't seem to poo-poo the comment.

Best,

So he is saying that Casey left the house around midnight without Caylee? I'm just reading what is printed there......Casey stormed out at midnight without Caylee.

[happygert]

Did you all notice the call log that there was 3 hours she didn't use the phone? From 7:45am to 11:46 am on 6/16? That would give her plenty of time to do her dirty deed.. Or has this been discussed already?

IMO that was the time she was probably sleeping.between 8:45 and 11:47 when tony called her... she'd been up most of the night...IMO she murdered Caylee between 2 and 3 am.... under the cover of darkness...of course she could have done it between 3:22 and day break...BUT IMO she did it between 2 and 3....

[MiamiNice1]

But didn't George say that Casey left with Caylee at 1PM on the 16th when he was watching Paula Deen on the Food Network?



JMO

UNITIL PROVEN found where Lenny now states that Casey left on the night of the 15th, early morning 16th of June - not the 16th around 12:50pm like George previously said:

Originally Posted by UNTILPROVEN

Lenny said that Casey left the night before with Caylee around midnight! Where the heck did that rumor come from?

PADILLA: Well, Cindy creates havoc in that home. She -- she had George go out there and tell law enforcement that Casey and the baby left at 1:00 the next afternoon because she didn`t want to admit that that Casey ran without her child with midnight that night. She didn`t want -- so she puts George out there in front street.

Has he lost 1/2 a deck - or is there some reality in this. Nancy Grace didn't seem to poo-poo the comment.

Best,

[Narcissist71]

I've never bought it either. All my kids and grands have been bright eyed and bushy tailed as soon as it was light. Bouncing and hungry.
Brings smiles to me as well remembering. Too bad George doesn't have a true memory of that, because I don't think and never have thought his story of seeing Casey and Caylee on the 16th was true.
Now he has to live with that lie. Which I'm sure is part of the reason he is still in the hospital.
:sad:
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Are your grandchildren woke up in the middle of the night by their parents coming in at different hours of the night? I'm just wondering.

Seems Casey got in at different hours and Caylee slept in the same bed as Casey.

Personally my niece and nephew woke up early on somedays when they were 3 years old and slept in on others. It depended on what was going on, if they woke up in the middle of the night, how long it took to get them back to sleep.

Now that they are 8 and 10 years of age, they still wake up at different hours, depending on what is going on. On normal school days they are in bed at 8pm and have to turn off their TVs by 8:30pm......

but they aren't always up on their own to go to school at 7am, and do usually sleep in on the weekends.

[MiamiNice1]

I have emailed Nancy asking her to stop cutting off Lenny and to ask him follow-up questions. The guy has got information - he just needs time to spit it out.

jmo
Your doing this would be much appreciated, CanCan! :thumbsup:

[Oregongal]

You're response is nothing less of perfection. I, too, have suffered from clinical depression. I was looking at a 3 month hospital stay. Instead I took a leave of abscense and did out-patient therapy.

George can't do this! Can you imagine the media watching his every move. He'd in no way get better.

My thoughts is he will leave for the burial, then jump right back in to hospital therapy. He could be there for months.

I have no sympathy for Cindy - she needs to support her husband and not criticize him (if in fact she is). She is the strongest one in the family, and I have every faith that she's doing fine. Lee is now in the house too, and we all know he's been quite strong through all this (from an outward look).

For Caylee.....and George.

Thank you UP and I totally understand you.
As one that understands, I'm so sorry. I really hope you are doing better now. I am still living one day at a time. Some days better, some days not.
I cannot imagine how I would be doing if I had media watching my every move. I cannot imagine how I would be doing if my daughter was in jail indicted of murdering my gdaughter.
Well, yes, I can. I would be where George is...in a hospital.
I still fluctuate about Cindy. Yes, she seems to be the stong one, but sometimes the one who seems so strong is actually the weakest.
Her criticizing and putting George down, may in fact be her way of not showing her weakness. Sometimes as well, those who seem the strongest fall the hardest. Time will tell with her.
Now, Lee....I haven't been able to get a handle on him at all because he has been so illusive.
This family has so much dysfunction, so many secrets and so many horrors to deal with, I think they all will crash at some point.

[happygert]

I remember that too. Yet, this day, the 16th, he didn't see them (Casey and Caylee) until 12:50pm on their way out the door????
:ohmy:

Exactly!! ..So Caylee was just going out of the house to the nanny's without brekfast or lunch a 2 year old with nothing to eat or drink all day long......Not going to bathroom.. someone whos getting potty trained.... I know when my Grandsons up its change his diaper get his milk and feed him.. Not only breakfast but theres snacks in between greakfast and lunch..

[Narcissist71]

no i think that was copied wrong... I think LP said she ran out around midnight with her child

I think that is very possible.

Helpful if it is corrected. (Also adding since people will quote it as his words and people will believe it, even if it's a misquote.)

[Narcissist71]

Exactly!! ..So Caylee was just going out of the house to the nanny's without brekfast or lunch a 2 year old with nothing to eat or drink all day long......Not going to bathroom.. someone whos getting potty trained.... I know when my Grandsons up its change his diaper get his milk and feed him.. Not only breakfast but theres snacks in between greakfast and lunch..


Did he say what time he got up, or if he went back to sleep after he woke up?

I get up some days fairly early, and if I have to work later, I might go back to sleep. (before I go to work, not go to sleep because I have to work. LOL....have to clarify since some would say OMG I can't believe you would go back to sleep when you have to go to work.)

I'm just saying that it would be nice to have all the information before trying to pick apart every word.

[Oregongal]

i like you too OG

*hiccup* dang! didn't i bring that drink yet? :tongueside:

I'll get it this time for sure... :tongue:

Still waiting.
:mellow:

[Oregongal]

exactly... we were discussing this last night

george says he usually gave Caylee her breakfast and casey would be sleeping in.

so how come on the 16th that didnt happen and he didnt see Caylee until close to 1pm when they were leaving and then why does George call Caseys cell around 3pm?

he just talked to her and she was taking caylee to nanny and going to work... why was he calling her and why didnt he tell LE that he called her cell around 3pm?

the whole story is wacky jmo

Yep, yep, yep!
Now see, even with you alchohol addled brain you are seeing exactly what I'm seeing.
And questioning.
:wink:

[happygert]

UNITIL PROVEN found where Lenny now states that Casey left on the night of the 15th, early morning 16th of June - not the 16th around 12:50pm like George previously said:

I think LP has always said that casey left on the night of the 15th... I remember him saying someone was suppose to se casey in a motel parking lot on her phone but didnt see Caylee but of course no one has come forward with that info.....I was hoping they would....danggit anyway....

[Narcissist71]

Makes sense if she in fact left around midnight on the 15th, and George lied about seeing her on the 16th at 1:00 PM. She obviously left in anger after CA confronted her about stealing the money.

If in fact GA called her at 3:00 PM on the 16th -- why? He saw her 2 hours ago and knew she was dropping off Caylee with Zanny the non-existent Nanny, then off to work. I would love to hear the explanation behind that one.

Caylee murdered and buried in the midnight hours of the 15th - how bloody scary is that. I just want to reach out and....oh nevermind.

Bless you Caylee - you didn't deserve any of this.

You've never called anyone after you saw them a couple hours ago? I've called people I just saw, including family for any number of reasons, and had people I just saw, including family call me.

I don't know why it's somehow odd that someone calls someone else, just because it was only a couple hours ago.

Yes it would be great if I knew exactly why there was a call from George to Casey.....but to try to make calling someone "unusual" just because you saw the person just two hours ago something nefarious seems a bit of a stretch.

[Oregongal]

Hi Oregon,

But wasn't KC keeping Caylee up at all hours of the night while she was partying? And Lord knows what she was up to with Caylee during the day when KC was "working". Unfortunately, I don't think Caylee was as blessed as your children and grandbabies.

I never would have thought George hadn't seen C & C on the 16th. If it were my grandchild walking out of the house at midnight, I would have snatched her out of KC's hands so fast, she wouldn't know what hit her. JMHO.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda :(

UP, I seem to remember that Cindy complained that she was watching and keeping Caylee more than she wanted to (understandable as a grandmother), this says to me that she most likely had care of Caylee and had Caylee in bed at a decent hour when Casey said she was working. See, the whole nanny thing does not fit in this whole thing at all as far as I'm concerned. In fact I don't think the nanny was much of a factor before all of this happened at all.
I think during the day when Casey said she was working and Caylee was with the nanny, she of course must have had Caylee with her since she wasn't working and there was no nanny. At night, I think, from Cindy's complaints to her co workers, Cindy had care of Caylee.
The question really is did Cindy truly believe Casey was working those nights when Caylee was at home and she had to feed, bathe and put Caylee to bed because the non existant nanny didn't do nights?
Or was Caylee really gone from home, supposedly with the nanny while Casey was supposedly working?
Does this make sense? I'm getting way tired and also keep getting distracted by CSI Miami.

[Narcissist71]

IT's a good theory, because Cindy was this child's caretaker. Why the heck would Casey take caylee, she couldnt even care for her. cindy said in one interview that they had never been away from home before, not one night. So she said a lot of things that were complete fabrications I thought.

Then we have the story of Cindy being depressed and on vacation, alone, in her yard all week long. No caylee, no sign of Casey, etc etc. I never believed any of it. Their cell phone records, Ez Pass records, and Home Land Lines, will tell the real story. So Will Lee's.
I never thought Caylee left that home. Being wrapped up in her own blankey sz to me that she was most likely killed in her bed. I'm still at odds with the duct tape, I think that Lee maybe helped her to stage a kidnapping. The purse on the seat, the duct tape, to make it Look as if she were Kidnapped.

Unless there are nicks on those bones, what was the knife doing in her wrappings? Why, a knife? Does anyone think she stabbed her to death? Where is all the blood evidence if she did? Did they replace the childs bed set with a purchase at JCPenny's and that is why Cindy refused those JC Penny's receipts? I just dont know. This case really has holes in it, I hope that more documents are released this week, because so far the redacted info in Amy's txts with Casey and other documents not being released, I just dont see any proof that Casey was the one who last had this child. If she ran out that night, without her child, and wasnt allowed back in, and then something happened while she was in the home with Cindy, who's to say that did not happen? How can LE prove, that Casey A last had physical custody of Caylee, in that car?

I think the dirt evidence they took out of the back yard will tell us all, if she was really buried back there. And how would the Anthony's not have known that, they have two dogs. It's a problem for me....

Kat

Much of what you discuss should be known by police. Maybe they will release that info to the public. I mean if they are releasing all the other stuff, why not release this important info, like the test on the duct tape, and the soil samples, etc.

If in fact they aren't going to release the info that is core to their case (as some people have posted), then why are we talking about what they have released so far since it's not important to their case.

[Narcissist71]

The thing i find strange is that george never told LE about the call... he made sure to impress that the LAST time he saw them was 12:50pm on the 16th and they were happy and it was a totally normal day blah blah... and i think LE even says... so eveything was cool and happy and everything was good like a normal day... and george is all... yup everything was fine

yet George always offered TONS of extra info about everything else without them asking.

I think if it was the truth... he would have added in about making the call just like he added extra information about everything else

jmo :)

I agree I find it odd that he would remember such, unless something stood out that would make him remember. (As some have speculated, there may have been a fight that made the next day stand out in his mind when he saw Casey and Caylee.)

I don't remember what my nephew wore when I watched him the other night, except he had a blue hoody (because it's cold here)....and I remember my niece was wearing pink pj's because we joked about her picking up that habit from her MaMa.

Anyway I agree that it's odd to remember such details, but at the same time, just because he did doesn't necessarily prove he is making it all up.

[Narcissist71]

Oh no, I don't think it odd. I've called hubby just after he left for work. BUT, what bothers me is GA didn't tell LE. Maybe he didn't think it important, but it could shed light on why he called her, if he heard Caylee, and what the conversation was about. It could be helpful, it could not -- who knows.

Best,

I agree....any additional info would be helpful in any case for any number of reasons.

[Narcissist71]

Just heard Lenny say "with her child" ;)

[Narcissist71]

Glad to see we are all in agreement on the transcript being wrong, and Lenny saying "with her child"

[Topaz423]

I believe so, there are two calls on the original set of cell calls, each at the same exact time. One is from A's home to Casey cell, the other is Casey checking her messages.

Now, in the Nov. 26th doc dump they have updated calls and that call is not even on there, it also has all those Lexus call change by number and listed as Genitva Health calls. There is also the A's home phone records and they don't show that call either.

I think it was a screw up or just Casey checking her messages.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2385297/Casey_Anthony_cell_records_615_to_716

the 7:45 morning calls from the anthony home on the 16th of june to caseys phone and casey checking voice mail

[Oregongal]

Are your grandchildren woke up in the middle of the night by their parents coming in at different hours of the night? I'm just wondering.

Seems Casey got in at different hours and Caylee slept in the same bed as Casey.

Personally my niece and nephew woke up early on somedays when they were 3 years old and slept in on others. It depended on what was going on, if they woke up in the middle of the night, how long it took to get them back to sleep.

Now that they are 8 and 10 years of age, they still wake up at different hours, depending on what is going on. On normal school days they are in bed at 8pm and have to turn off their TVs by 8:30pm......

but they aren't always up on their own to go to school at 7am, and do usually sleep in on the weekends.

Hmmmm, let me reflect. I had a son and the mom of my grandaughter live with me for awhile and yes, my gdaughter was up and bouncing even tho each of her parents were late nighters. One working, one partying.
It became quite the problem when my gdaughter was made to stay in the room while one of them continued to sleep waaay past her wake up, breakfast and diaper change time.
I was the one who would then do what was necessary for her. While one or both of her parents slept.
I, tho didn't let it go on for very long. As Cindy and George seemingly did.
My dd and gson live with me now. Thankfully, she is a responsible parent and has never done as her older brother did.
So I guess in your wondering, yes, I've been thru that with my grands with their parents coming in at different and all hours of the night and the gdaughter was able to either sleep thru it, or wake up and then be comforted back to sleep.
I've experienced a whole hell of alot Nar. I have 3 'kid's' I've raised, 1 I gave up for adoption when I was 18. I've met her, yet do not have a relationship with her now. My 2 sons have taken me thru many troubles, some legal and jail time type. My ex is a socio/narcissist. My dd who lives with me now had her probs as well. I won't even go into what I went thru with her. Thankfully she has become a wonderful young woman and wonderful mom to my gson. I've been thru and seen alot. I am not trying for sympathy here.
What I'm trying to say is, I understand dysfunction. I understand depression. I understand much of what the Ant's may be going thru.
True, I've never had a child that murdered a grandchild. With that I have no understanding. But, empathy for G & C (especially G) no matter what they have said, no matter how they have behaved, yes, I have plenty of that.

[happygert]

its horrible... but i dont think she buried her then

I think she murdered her that night and then Caylee rolled around in that trunk with her for a few days while Casey decided what to do with her body (hence the decomp in the trunk) :sad:


IMO here's what i think happened...casey killed Caylee in early morning hours of the 16th.

When casey knew both ca and ga were gone she went home.. she was going to act like Caylee drowned in pool.. ..she put Caylee's body in the playhouse until she got the ladder out.. When she got the ladder out she then moved her body to pool..Then she got to thinking about it and knew if they did autopsy they'd know Caylee didn't drown and they know she'd been dead longer then casey said.. Casey then put Caylee back in her trunk and left..Then drove around with her in the trunk. When the smell got so bad she then took Caylee back to her house and was going to bury her..When she opened trunk she saw where Caylee's body fluids were seeping into trunk she went and got the trash bags and tape .threw everything in bag that was in trunk tape it up.. went to shed ,shed was locked so she went to neighbors to borrow a shovel.. She then took Caylee out of trunk hid her in sandbox with the lid on it.. started to dig by the pool to bury her.. Too much work.But she knew she had to get rid of her body... She then put Caylee back in her trunk took shovel back then took her to where casey used to party and bury her animals and threw her out there... just my theory ... Thats how the dogs hit on all 4 places trunk, pool area, playhouse and sandbox.....mo

[Narcissist71]

Hugs Melanie! You know so many of us are decent parents good people and we try like mad to understand this, and continually i have to remind myself, there is a dysfunction here and this family is not normal. I'm sure that Casey will be a case study, any Pre Meds dream actually to study.
I dont think she will ever allow it though. Remember that one interveiw where she told Cindy ...I wont talk to them, I met with her but I will never talk with them, I dont even know them...something to that effect. It's not exact but close. Casey A will never admit that she is ill. I dont think Cindy will either. According to Shirley, George LIES.
So I do not exactly believe his mental call at the 11th hour. Let's see how long he stays in.

I believe that LP does get it about Cindy, and I hear that NG doesnt want to say anything about Cindy, but LP does get it about how ill and dysfunctional this woman was. Casey's main fear, was telling her mother Cindy, what happened. "It" happened, she said in her LE interview. She did say IT when IT happened, then she corrects herself so quick. It's in Melichs interview. She is afraid of Cindy and doesnt want to answer to her. That was clear in the "lost" video that aired.

I think all the snacking in jail shows how happy she is, that she finally doesnt have to answer to either Parent. Now she is free. Killing Caylee, was her freedom. She will do fine, in prison. She already is, well enough to bun up her hair, and put on a suit jacket, or try to anyway as badly fitting as it was. Mute the sound and watch her pull at this jacket, it really really bothered her that it did not fit. She rubs her hands like she is washing them. I would not be surprised to find out she has OCD or some form of it. I've watched her pull at her tops and clothing almost every time she was on camera. It's a clear indication that she is either not comfortable in her own skin or not comfortable putting on this false face, to the camera. That's what I see anyway.

I say, Let Dr Stone have at her!! Where would Casey A be on Dr Stones Scale of murder? I wonder...

We are good parents and could never imagine doing any of these things to our babies. Usually women that have PPD, that start to have really super dark thoughts are so disturbed by their thoughts, that they seek out help because what they are thinking is so abnormal to them. I have to rethink the PPD. I think the defense may try to use it, but I just dont see Casey as wanting anything but her freedom.

See you soon, thanks for all views you guys always make me think!!
Kat :seeya:

Sorry I'm ignorant about PPD.....yes I know what it is, but don't know what it is. (meaning I've heard it used, and the whole Tom Cruise, and Brooke Shields controversy)......Simple questions, how long does it normally last? Can it last 3 years? Would that be normal or unusual to last that long? As I said I'm ignorant of the details and probably could google it, but just figured I would ask.