Monday, Feb 2, Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Did you all see this? It was posted by blu on the links thread. Yikes! Can they really ask Casey if she knows who killed Caylee? :ohmy:

01-31-2009, 10:23 AM
bluwaters
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008
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Questionnaire To Casey Anthony: Do You Know Who Killed Caylee?
Church To Host Public Memorial Service For Caylee
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18609060/detail.html#-

[sofiesmom]

Waste...huge waste.

Good morning.:smile:

[desmom]

Good Morning n/t!

I had to go look for the news articles about the the lawsuit.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18436051/detail.html
Gonzalez said in a lawsuit that Anthony ruined her name when she told detectives that a woman with that name took Caylee. Her attorneys wanted the deposition delayed until after her criminal trial, which is scheduled to begin in March.

Instead, the judge said attorneys could ask questions in writing. Anthony’s attorneys could then object, setting up future hearings over those objections.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-civil-hearing-010809,0,4465826.story
If Anthony tries to use the Fifth Amendment, Mitnik said he will be back in court to address the issue.

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

[ellegna]

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http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-civil-hearing-010809,0,4465826.story
If Anthony tries to use the Fifth Amendment, Mitnik said he will be back in court to address the issue.


Excerpt from the above link

Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, are next up for depositions. They were going to be questioned last month but the meeting was postponed after officials confirmed the remains belong to Caylee.

The couple's attorney, Brad Conway, said outside the courtroom today that he plans to try to block the depositions. However, he wouldn't comment on why.

Good question. Why would Conway want to block the deposition? Is Conway nervous Casey may provide answers implicating her parents in some way?

[desmom]

Excerpt from the above link

Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, are next up for depositions. They were going to be questioned last month but the meeting was postponed after officials confirmed the remains belong to Caylee.

The couple's attorney, Brad Conway, said outside the courtroom today that he plans to try to block the depositions. However, he wouldn't comment on why.

Good question. Why would Conway want to block the deposition? Is Conway nervous Casey may provide answers implicating her parents in some way?

Hmmm...I am still working on my lst cup of coffee, but I think Conway is wanting to block G & C's depositions.

IMO, I do not know what they could contribute except they have never met ZG in the 1 1/2 - 2 years she watched Caylee. Oh and ZG's attorney does have Cindy's statement to FBI she provided OCSO the address Cindy had for ZG in her address book.

Didn't George also make a statement about Caylee's reaction when asked about ZG? I think he said something like Caylee had a blank look or seemed confused by the question.

jmo

[n/t]

What happens if she pleads the 5th? Does Zenaida win the lawsuit?

I suppose she can lie ...could the answers to these questions be brought up at the murder trial?

[n/t]

Good morning everybody,

I have been trying to keep up with what is going on with this case and sometimes it is mind bogoling.
I do not think Casey with answer questions truthfully in her deposition. She has had such a history of lying about so many things that I think it will not prove much.

Has anyone heard how George is doing? In some ways I really feel bad for him. I don't know how I would react if I lost a grandchild to murder. I think with George he went along with what Cindy was saying probably to keep the peace in the family. But something like this is really hard on a person and can lead to other problems. I am glad George is getting the help he needs and is able to make peace at least in his mind as to what must be so devastating.

I just cannot even imagine how I would react if one of my girls killed one of their children. Losing a child is probably one of the worst issues a person has to deal with but to find out your own daughter is responsible is beyond reason to me.

I am looking forward to see how this week goes.

jmoo

I believe he remained in the hospital over the weekend. Not sure if he'll be released today or not.

[desmom]

What happens if she pleads the 5th? Does Zenaida win the lawsuit?

I suppose she can lie ...could the answers to these questions be brought up at the murder trial?

IIRC in previous discussions on this board I don't think she can plead the 5th because she counter-sued ZG and her answers can be used against her in the criminal trial.

I will try to find a link......:chicken:

[n/t]

Excerpt from the above link

Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, are next up for depositions. They were going to be questioned last month but the meeting was postponed after officials confirmed the remains belong to Caylee.

The couple's attorney, Brad Conway, said outside the courtroom today that he plans to try to block the depositions. However, he wouldn't comment on why.

Good question. Why would Conway want to block the deposition? Is Conway nervous Casey may provide answers implicating her parents in some way?


Remember in one of the jailhouse calls, Casey told Cindy that she gave Zenaida a key to the house and that Casey told Cindy about it?

I guess Conway would want to block the deposition because it may impeach his clients if they don't answer truthfully. The above was just one example. How would Cindy answer that question? Yes, she was aware Zenaida had a key but she never knew or met Zenaida or Casey never told her?

[n/t]

IIRC in previous discussions on this board I don't think she can plead the 5th because she counter-sued ZG and her answers can be used against her in the criminal trial.

I will try to find a link......:chicken:


Don't bother des. You're right!! I forgot that she counter sued. Big boo boo on Baez's part!

[ellegna]

Hmmm...I am still working on my lst cup of coffee, but I think Conway is wanting to block G & C's depositions.

IMO, I do not know what they could contribute except they have never met ZG in the 1 1/2 - 2 years she watched Caylee. Oh and ZG's attorney does have Cindy's statement to FBI she provided OCSO the address Cindy had for ZG in her address book.

Didn't George also make a statement about Caylee's reaction when asked about ZG? I think he said something like Caylee had a blank look or seemed confused by the question.

jmo

Working on my first coffee too.
I misread the plural depositions to mean all. :punch:

I'm interested in Zanny's address in Cindy's address book.
Did you know forensics can determine when an entry was made on paper? They can tell how fresh the ink is by how much the ink has broken down/faded. Saw it on a forensic investigation show. Very interesting
I wonder if the FBI has Cindy's book and tested that entry to determine whether ZG address has been there some time or recently entered?

[desmom]

Don't bother des. You're right!! I forgot that she counter sued. Big boo boo on Baez's part!

I found this in one of the news links ......

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8202223&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

“We hope that judge acknowledges Ms. Anthony does have her 5th amendment right to remain silent even though it’s a civil matter. If it does incriminate her in a criminal procedure then she should not have to testify under oath,” defense attorney Jose Garcia said.

Which brings up another argument that Judge Rodriguez will have to settle. “She filed a counter claim back against our client against Ms. Gonzalez. She can't under oath do that and use the 5th amendment. It’s called sword and shield. You cannot use shield of the 5th amendment and use the sword in civil litigation when you're bringing an action yourself,” Mitnik said.

IMO, another Rut-Roh moment from Casey's legal team.

[ellegna]

Don't bother des. You're right!! I forgot that she counter sued. Big boo boo on Baez's part!

Gotta love Baez eh? :rolleyes:

[n/t]

I found this in one of the news links ......

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8202223&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

“We hope that judge acknowledges Ms. Anthony does have her 5th amendment right to remain silent even though it’s a civil matter. If it does incriminate her in a criminal procedure then she should not have to testify under oath,” defense attorney Jose Garcia said.

Which brings up another argument that Judge Rodriguez will have to settle. “She filed a counter claim back against our client against Ms. Gonzalez. She can't under oath do that and use the 5th amendment. It’s called sword and shield. You cannot use shield of the 5th amendment and use the sword in civil litigation when you're bringing an action yourself,” Mitnik said.

IMO, another Rut-Roh moment from Casey's legal team.


Thanks des! So, she has no choice but to answer the questions except if her attorney objects to some of them or all. It'll be very interesting to see how this plays out in court.

[AMS]

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Starts New Job
Kronk Leaves Job As Meter Reader

http://www.wesh.com/news/18618997/detail.html


Another life affected by Casey Anthony :sad:

IMO

[PuffDragon]

We are all getting so confused, at least I know I am, basing hypotheses on rumors and not being able to connect the puzzle pieces because one of the sections is an old rumor that somehow became fact. I think it would help a lot if we could put together a list of the things we know as fact, no conjecture. Like: 1) Caylee is dead; 2)Caylee's paternity is unknown to the public (note I did not say unknown period); 3)Casey lies; 4) The car was towed from Amscot; 5)Casey is charged with murder; 6) Casey stole from her grandfather's account..........
Most of that list can be picked from the doc dumps. Only known facts. It will be interesting to see what people think are facts that can be argued not to be. For instance, I started to write: "Casey stole from Caylee's piggy bank", but then I realized that was hearsay from George and unproven.

Then we could have another list of things we have heard but are not backed up by evidence (that we know of). This would include Casey stealing from Caylee's piggy bank, as well as 1) George seeing Casey with the car on the 24th (?: I'm date-challenged). This is a little tricky category and with some discussion we might actually end up dispelling some rumors that have been going around.

Then we could have a third list of things we are convinced are untrue because they have been disproven or don't make sense. Such as: 1) Caylee called Casey the afternoon that Cindy and George picked up the car; 2) That Zanny lived in an apartment at Sawgrass; 3) that George saw Caylee and Casey leave on June 16th; 4) that there was an argument between Cindy and Casey the night of June 15th.

As I whimpered at the start, I just can't keep any of this straight any more and I need to get logical here or I can't make any sense of anything. I tried to do it myself but there's just too much information and we have a wonderful brain pool here, if we could work together instead of infighting and arguing about conficting theories we might see things more clearly.

If you think it's too much work and would rather argue randomly I'll just go back to working on my own lists, I just think it's a waste of all the great brainpower here to go on repeating and repeating old info when we could be doing something useful to make some sense out of this. I'll be happy to coordinate the input into a clean database.

Am I the only one that wishes something like this could happen?

[PuffDragon]

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Starts New Job
Kronk Leaves Job As Meter Reader

http://www.wesh.com/news/18618997/detail.html


Another life affected by Casey Anthony :sad:

IMO

Maybe he'll be happier.

[AMS]

Maybe he'll be happier.

Hope so. I feel bad for him because he shouldn't have to worry that he will be recognized and be hurt.

IMO.

[sofiesmom]

I believe he remained in the hospital over the weekend. Not sure if he'll be released today or not.And when he is released, where will he be released to? Will he go to another facility or go home to Cindy? And if he's released to another facility, who will pay for that? I sort of doubt that insurance would cover a voluntary stay, even if they have a good plan.

[PuffDragon]

Hope so. I feel bad for him because he shouldn't have to worry that he will be recognized and be hurt.

IMO.

Yeah, me too.

[n/t]

We are all getting so confused, at least I know I am, basing hypotheses on rumors and not being able to connect the puzzle pieces because one of the sections is an old rumor that somehow became fact. I think it would help a lot if we could put together a list of the things we know as fact, no conjecture. Like: 1) Caylee is dead; 2)Caylee's paternity is unknown to the public (note I did not say unknown period); 3)Casey lies; 4) The car was towed from Amscot; 5)Casey is charged with murder; 6) Casey stole from her grandfather's account..........
Most of that list can be picked from the doc dumps. Only known facts. It will be interesting to see what people think are facts that can be argued not to be. For instance, I started to write: "Casey stole from Caylee's piggy bank", but then I realized that was hearsay from George and unproven.

Then we could have another list of things we have heard but are not backed up by evidence (that we know of). This would include Casey stealing from Caylee's piggy bank, as well as 1) George seeing Casey with the car on the 24th (?: I'm date-challenged). This is a little tricky category and with some discussion we might actually end up dispelling some rumors that have been going around.

Then we could have a third list of things we are convinced are untrue because they have been disproven or don't make sense. Such as: 1) Caylee called Casey the afternoon that Cindy and George picked up the car; 2) That Zanny lived in an apartment at Sawgrass; 3) that George saw Caylee and Casey leave on June 16th; 4) that there was an argument between Cindy and Casey the night of June 15th.

As I whimpered at the start, I just can't keep any of this straight any more and I need to get logical here or I can't make any sense of anything. I tried to do it myself but there's just too much information and we have a wonderful brain pool here, if we could work together instead of infighting and arguing about conficting theories we might see things more clearly.

If you think it's too much work and would rather argue randomly I'll just go back to working on my own lists, I just think it's a waste of all the great brainpower here to go on repeating and repeating old info when we could be doing something useful to make some sense out of this. I'll be happy to coordinate the input into a clean database.

Am I the only one that wishes somebody would do this?


Would you consider statements made to the FBI as known facts? That's the problem with the lists. Although I think it's a great idea, how would you categorize all the interviews by all parties with the FBI or LE? Specifically, George, Cindy and Lee's statements to the FBI?

Example: George says he saw Caylee and Casey on the 16th. True or false?

[n/t]

And when he is released, where will he be released to? Will he go to another facility or go home to Cindy? And if he's released to another facility, who will pay for that? I sort of doubt that insurance would cover a voluntary stay, even if they have a good plan.

My understanding is he goes home.

[n/t]

Would you consider statements made to the FBI as known facts? That's the problem with the lists. Although I think it's a great idea, how would you categorize all the interviews by all parties with the FBI or LE? Specifically, George, Cindy and Lee's statements to the FBI?

Example: George says he saw Caylee and Casey on the 16th. True or false?

Quoting myself. I noticed you already addressed this in your post. :blushing:

[PuffDragon]

Would you consider statements made to the FBI as known facts? That's the problem with the lists. Although I think it's a great idea, how would you categorize all the interviews by all parties with the FBI or LE? Specifically, George, Cindy and Lee's statements to the FBI?

Example: George says he saw Caylee and Casey on the 16th. True or false?

Your question points up exactly why I think lists would help us to see more clearly. When something was proposed we would all be able to discuss whether or not the item was fact or hearsay and decide which list it belongs on. In my mind, no, only proven facts to go on the first list, so anything said in interviews, unless backed up by evidence, doesn't get on. In your example we don't know if George saw the girls on the 16th, it's hearsay no matter who he said it to, so it doesn't belong on list #1. It should go on list #2. We don't know it to be fact, but neither do we know it to be lies.

I think it would be an interesting and eye-opening exercise. Better than arguing.

[PuffDragon]

Quoting myself. I noticed you already addressed this in your post. :blushing:


Heh, then I guess I'm repeating myself. Or.... clarifying.

[PuffDragon]

By the way, there's a test in my long post. A virtual cream puff (left over from last night) to the first person who spots it.

[desmom]

Your question points up exactly why I think lists would help us to see more clearly. When something was proposed we would all be able to discuss whether or not the item was fact or hearsay and decide which list it belongs on. In my mind, no, only proven facts to go on the first list, so anything said in interviews, unless backed up by evidence, doesn't get on. In your example we don't know if George saw the girls on the 16th, it's hearsay no matter who he said it to, so it doesn't belong on list #1. It should go on list #2. We don't know it to be fact, but neither do we know it to be lies.

I think it would be an interesting and eye-opening exercise. Better than arguing.


PuffDragon, I did try to put together a calendar of events from the 9/23/08 document dump. It is "jmo".

Part 1 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12180602&postcount=210

Part 2 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12180605&postcount=212

Part 3 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12180608&postcount=214

ETA ~ I found Lorakai's Index, Persons, Documuments, Timelines http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12130367#post12130367

[PuffDragon]

PuffDragon, I did try to put together a calendar of events from the 9/23/08 document dump. It is "jmo".

Part 1 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12180602&postcount=210

Part 2 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12180605&postcount=212

Part 3 http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12180608&postcount=214

ETA ~ I found Lorakai's Index, Persons, Documuments, Timelines http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12130367#post12130367

Yeh, Des, and in fact I used that data in my own list, it was very helpful to remind me of a lot I forgot, but it wasn't giving me exactly what I needed. I don't need a timeline as much as a way to weed the true facts from the speculations from the known lies. So many speculations have become fact that I wanted to sort out the box. I don't even care if they are in order, I just want to pull out the ones that are not fact and label them as such.

[PuffDragon]

thats what i was thinking too

I'd love to see them ask Cindy when Casey told her that Zanny had a key?

if she gives a date

then I'd like them to ask... so Casey gave Zanny a key to your house and for months Casey has said you and George are in danger correct?

Cindy: yes that's correct

So when did you call a locksmith and change your locks?

Cindy: we didnt change the locks

what? what was thhat Mrs. Anthony?? you DIDNT change the locks?!?!?...but aren't you terrified knowing that a dangerous person has a key to your house?


:sneaky:

Here's the 'answer on the fly':

CIndy: Well, we talked about it, George and I, and we decided that we'd leave the house open so that if Zanny came by and wanted to drop Caylee off, we left the locks so she could get in.

[8BellesFan]

Here's the 'answer on the fly':

CIndy: Well, we talked about it, George and I, and we decided that we'd leave the house open so that if Zanny came by and wanted to drop Caylee off, we left the locks so she could get in.

adding...have you noticed how thin I am?

added because Cindy usually turns the attention to herself

[PuffDragon]

There are a lot of questions that I have about George's release from the hospital. I cannot even imagine that he would want to go home to Cindy. Things that he did in the begining were to apeace Cindy. But I think now he knows that he cannot protect Cindy. This whole situation is so heartbreaking. What this case is doing to so many people that are involved with this family is just heartbreaking. I don't think any insurance plan would cover a voluntary stay. Maybe Cindy still has insurance through her job and he is on her policy. Who knows?

jmoo

I'd like to believe that this could be a wakeup call to both of them. Not necessarily that their marriage will continue, it may never have been the kind of relationship that was good for either of them, but that they will understand better what's been happening to them. I doubt that either of them wouldn't fall back into the old patterns if they got right back together at this point, I think it's too soon.

[Kathlb]

thats what i was thinking too

I'd love to see them ask Cindy when Casey told her that Zanny had a key?

if she gives a date

then I'd like them to ask... so Casey gave Zanny a key to your house and for months Casey has said you and George are in danger correct?

Cindy: yes that's correct

So when did you call a locksmith and change your locks?

Cindy: we didnt change the locks

what? what was thhat Mrs. Anthony?? you DIDNT change the locks?!?!?...but aren't you terrified knowing that a dangerous person has a key to your house?


:sneaky:


Good morning everyone. Kit, I think you just gave us a tiny preview of the trial. :wink::thumbsup:

[PuffDragon]

yep that family would rather lie than tell the truth any day of the week.... and everytime they do they make more and more enemies and people who despise them.

but I'd keep hammering her anyway just for the fun of it no matter what she said in return

Let her lie all she wants... it will catch up with her eventually and then her butt will be sitting right next to Casey where she belongs :smile:

I would have such a brain drain from trying to keep track of all the lies that they have been spewing. I can't imagine how they can do it and still figure out how to turn on the shower in the morning. Are they even listening to themselves? Where do they think they are going with these stories???

[Kathlb]

I would have such a brain drain from trying to keep track of all the lies that they have been spewing. I can't imagine how they can do it and still figure out how to turn on the shower in the morning. Are they even listening to themselves? Where do they think they are going with these stories???

I think it's more of that sociopathic lying at the drop of the hat with no thought behind it. Now they are going to be faced in court with answering to all of those contradictory lies. Not a good position to be in for sure. :thumbup:

[?noanswer]

We are all getting so confused, at least I know I am, basing hypotheses on rumors and not being able to connect the puzzle pieces because one of the sections is an old rumor that somehow became fact. I think it would help a lot if we could put together a list of the things we know as fact, no conjecture. Like: 1) Caylee is dead; 2)Caylee's paternity is unknown to the public (note I did not say unknown period); 3)Casey lies; 4) The car was towed from Amscot; 5)Casey is charged with murder; 6) Casey stole from her grandfather's account..........
Most of that list can be picked from the doc dumps. Only known facts. It will be interesting to see what people think are facts that can be argued not to be. For instance, I started to write: "Casey stole from Caylee's piggy bank", but then I realized that was hearsay from George and unproven.

Then we could have another list of things we have heard but are not backed up by evidence (that we know of). This would include Casey stealing from Caylee's piggy bank, as well as 1) George seeing Casey with the car on the 24th (?: I'm date-challenged). This is a little tricky category and with some discussion we might actually end up dispelling some rumors that have been going around.

Then we could have a third list of things we are convinced are untrue because they have been disproven or don't make sense. Such as: 1) Caylee called Casey the afternoon that Cindy and George picked up the car; 2) That Zanny lived in an apartment at Sawgrass; 3) that George saw Caylee and Casey leave on June 16th; 4) that there was an argument between Cindy and Casey the night of June 15th.

As I whimpered at the start, I just can't keep any of this straight any more and I need to get logical here or I can't make any sense of anything. I tried to do it myself but there's just too much information and we have a wonderful brain pool here, if we could work together instead of infighting and arguing about conficting theories we might see things more clearly.

If you think it's too much work and would rather argue randomly I'll just go back to working on my own lists, I just think it's a waste of all the great brainpower here to go on repeating and repeating old info when we could be doing something useful to make some sense out of this. I'll be happy to coordinate the input into a clean database.

Am I the only one that wishes something like this could happen?

Stealing from Amy has not been proven in court, but it looks like it would be a known fact as it was captured on video.

JMO

[PuffDragon]

I think it's more of that sociopathic lying at the drop of the hat with no thought behind it. Now they are going to be faced in court with answering to all of those contradictory lies. Not a good position to be in for sure. :thumbup:

Especially if they don't even know what the truth is at this point.

[?noanswer]

What happens if she pleads the 5th? Does Zenaida win the lawsuit?

I suppose she can lie ...could the answers to these questions be brought up at the murder trial?

IIRC one of the attys. that post here said if KC takes the 5th, ZG would win by default and KC countersuit thrown out. JMO

[8BellesFan]

Especially if they don't even know what the truth is at this point.

I think they've told their half-truths and stories so many times that they believe them.

[PuffDragon]

Stealing from Amy has not been proven in court, but it looks like it would be a known fact as it was captured on video.

JMO

It also has been proven by the checks and by the fact that the bank reimbursed her. Stealing her cash is not proven though.

[?noanswer]

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Starts New Job
Kronk Leaves Job As Meter Reader

http://www.wesh.com/news/18618997/detail.html


Another life affected by Casey Anthony :sad:

IMO

After reading the article, I would not say he had a new job, just a different position. He is still with Orange Co, but not out in the Public. Sounds like OC was concerned for his safety. JMO

[desmom]

Yeh, Des, and in fact I used that data in my own list, it was very helpful to remind me of a lot I forgot, but it wasn't giving me exactly what I needed. I don't need a timeline as much as a way to weed the true facts from the speculations from the known lies. So many speculations have become fact that I wanted to sort out the box. I don't even care if they are in order, I just want to pull out the ones that are not fact and label them as such.

I think you will have to rely on LE's latest reports. The info I put together came from interviews with Casey's friends. Wouldn't that be hearsay?

[PuffDragon]

IIRC one of the attys. said if KC takes the 5th, ZG would win by default and KC countersuit thrown out. JMO


A pyrrhic victory. I was wondering if this was some tactic to pin down statements the Anthony's made so they could be used later in Casey's trial.

[8BellesFan]

the odor in the car is fact to me since it was acknowledged by both George and Cindy no matter what they say now.

[PuffDragon]

I think they've told their half-truths and stories so many times that they believe them.

Exactly. And if they've forgotten anything it's all on tape, memorialized to refer back to.

[PuffDragon]

I think you will have to rely on LE's latest reports. The info I put together came from interviews with Casey's friends. Wouldn't that be hearsay?

Yes, but then I could refer back to the ones that were substantiated. If I couldn't find direct proof it didn't go on list #1. It just got to be so confusing and I'd get sidetracked and find things on the wrong list......... I thought 'more hands make light work' or 'more minds make more sense' or something like that.

[Myka]

Here's the 'answer on the fly':

CIndy: Well, we talked about it, George and I, and we decided that we'd leave the house open so that if Zanny came by and wanted to drop Caylee off, we left the locks so she could get in.

yet Geo locks up gas cans in the shed

[PuffDragon]

the odor in the car is fact to me since it was acknowledged by both George and Cindy no matter what they say now.

It was acknowledged by Lee too, wasn't it? But he hasn't ever gone back on that, I believe. He just stopped talking about it, right?

[8BellesFan]

It was acknowledged by Lee too, wasn't it? But he hasn't ever gone back on that, I believe. He just stopped talking about it, right?

he said he smelled the car when he got there and even remarked that he was smelling it for the first time, which I thought was weird...I mean, why wouldn't it be for the first time, seems strange to say it the way he did. I don't think he ever said he knew it to be decomp though like George and Cindy both have.

[PuffDragon]

I totally agree with you PD

I think George is the Weakest Link :laugh:

Cindy and Casey both have lying down to a fine art

Casey and maybe Cindy too have a method of lying where they almost always throw in a tiny bit of truth... I think that makes it easier for them to remember details

for instance... Casey said that guy she worked with at universal had a kid named Zachary

we all know that's BS and that he doesnt have any kids... but it helps her remember the name of invisible Zacharys dad because he's based on a real person

she based Zanny on a real person

she based Juliette Lewis on a real person

i think she tried to wrap all of her lies inside a veil of truth because it helps her remember where the person lived, what color hair they have, how tall they are, where they worked blah blah

she is diabolical :scared:

Phew, I can't even manage to do that with reality! No wonder she's disassociated from the world, her mind is all being used up to keep her stories straight. This this reinforces my feeling that she's relaxing there in jail not having to keep track of any of her stories any more.

[8BellesFan]

where would you add the manipulation of the evidence as far as the toothbrush or hairbrush? known or unknown?

[PuffDragon]

yet Geo locks up gas cans in the shed

Good catch!

[PuffDragon]

where would you add the manipulation of the evidence as far as the toothbrush or hairbrush? known or unknown?

#2, hearsay. LE may have more proof but we don't.

[desmom]

I think this is a complete list all of the documents that have been released by LE:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

[PuffDragon]

I think this is a complete list all of the documents that have been released by LE:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

That's a great reference and well organized too, thanks desmom. That saves a lot of checking back and forth to have it all listed in one place like that.

[*MoonRider*]

Seems like Geraldo duped us again. The Cindy interview last night was from July. Interesting to watch though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wj5Y74PBfA

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone!

Well, did anyone else catch the geraldo interview with cynthia last night on his show? Kimberly Guilfoyle hosted and stated "that because so many requested it" and then went on to introduce an interview from July.

cynthia and baez were there, but cindy did all the talking and wow, did she look bad, imo. She also jumped ugly when geraldo asked her if she knew any info on the kidnappers and what it was. She responded something like "are you fricking kidding me, I wouldn't impede the investigation.......I gave that info to the OCSD."

I think the info to which she was referring was her brilliant idea that Jesse, Amy and/or Ricardo were "Zanny."

I had never seen this little performance, glad they showed it again.

Thanks for posting it Moonie!!!

[gaelicpeas]

Good morning everyone!

Well, did anyone else catch the geraldo interview with cynthia last night on his show? Kimberly Guilfoyle hosted and stated "that because so many requested it" and then went on to introduce an interview from July.

cynthia and baez were there, but cindy did all the talking and wow, did she look bad, imo. She also jumped ugly when geraldo asked her if she knew any info on the kidnappers and what it was. She responded something like "are you fricking serious, I wouldn't tell you.......I gave that info to the OCSD."

I think the info to which she was referring was her brilliant idea that Jesse, Amy and/or Ricardo were "Zanny."

I had never seen this little performance, glad they showed it again.Wasn't it just yesterday morning that someone here was looking for this interview? I found that odd...

[Kathlb]

I found this link on another site and found it interesting. A "BRACE Character Profile" was done by Russell L Smith, M.S., HSP-PA, NCP. At the very bottom is his final synopsis of Casey's personality and mental evaluation. Interesting reading if nothing else.

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

[AMS]

Good morning everyone!

Well, did anyone else catch the geraldo interview with cynthia last night on his show? Kimberly Guilfoyle hosted and stated "that because so many requested it" and then went on to introduce an interview from July.

cynthia and baez were there, but cindy did all the talking and wow, did she look bad, imo. She also jumped ugly when geraldo asked her if she knew any info on the kidnappers and what it was. She responded something like "are you fricking kidding me, I wouldn't impede the investigation.......I gave that info to the OCSD."

I think the info to which she was referring was her brilliant idea that Jesse, Amy and/or Ricardo were "Zanny."

I had never seen this little performance, glad they showed it again.

Thanks for posting it Moonie!!!


I saw the interview on GR last night. As Iposted last night, it reminded that Cindy was a b**ch from the very beginning. IMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

Wasn't it just yesterday morning that someone here was looking for this interview? I found that odd...

I wonder if that poster emailed geraldo's show and requested they replay the interview? :smile:

I am interested in why george remains hospitalized. If the crisis has passed one would think he would be discharged and get treatment on an outpatient basis. In this day and age they don't keep you, unless there is a very valid reason. imo.

[8BellesFan]

I wonder if that poster emailed geraldo's show and requested they replay the interview? :smile:

I am interested in why george remains hospitalized. If the crisis has passed one would think he would be discharged and get treatment on an outpatient basis. In this day and age they don't keep you, unless there is a very valid reason. imo.

the good twin side of me says maybe he is having some trouble getting his composure. the evil twin side of me whispers witness protection...but I'm tired so ....:tongueside:

[Regina.Lampert]

I saw the interview on GR last night. As Iposted last night, it reminded that Cindy was a b**ch from the very beginning. IMO.

Morning AMS! When she used the "Are you fricking kidding me" phrase I thought I was listening to the odious creature for a second. They are two sides of the same coin, imo.

[Kathlb]

the good twin side of me says maybe he is having some trouble getting his composure. the evil twin side of me whispers witness protection...but I'm tired so ....:tongueside:

Interesting thought. hmmmm Do you think that after his apparent suicide attempt that he called for LE and told them he didn't want to go home but would testify to the truth of what he knows if they would help him stay away?

[Kathlb]

Morning AMS! When she used the "Are you fricking kidding me" phrase I thought I was listening to the odious creature for a second. They are two sides of the same coin, imo.

I was fascinated by the look on her face and in her eyes during that exchange. I saw a bit of seemingly 'madness' there. I truly think mother and daughter are peas in a pod.

[debkay]

Have you seen this petition about Cindy A? I had seen the one for lifetime but not this one. :w00t:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/make-cindy-anthony-accountable-for-her-action

[8BellesFan]

Interesting thought. hmmmm Do you think that after his apparent suicide attempt that he called for LE and told them he didn't want to go home but would testify to the truth of what he knows if they would help him stay away?

I don't know...it's just one of those random thoughts that somehow float through my brain when I have been up all night.

[kellabeck]

Good morning!
Puffdragon, I like the idea of creating a list or lists of things we know. It seems to me that what you are seeking is to differentiate between facts and rumors....There has been no trial yet, and therefore no evidence and no testimony so we can't limit our standards to that.

I think we could agree on facts based on statements to LE and documents released by them.

Upthread someone suggested that it wasn't fact that Casey and Cindy had argued that Father's Day weekend. However, we do know that the neighbor has said that he heard a screamer coming from the Ant house that weekend with vulgar language attendant.

I propose that we also have a list of Ant claims-- from all of them -- which are either definitely or most likely false. For example, Cindy claimed that on Father's Day after taking Caylee to see Cindy's parents (fact, as shown by the video) that they came home and had a pleasant dinner with Casey. I submit that that is most likely false as we know that Casey had been discovered to be an embezzler of her grandfather's funds and that they had had a giant screaming match that weekend. In light of those facts, a pleasant family dinner is unlikely imo.

[Regina.Lampert]

the good twin side of me says maybe he is having some trouble getting his composure. the evil twin side of me whispers witness protection...but I'm tired so ....:tongueside:

I tend to agree with your evil side, who would want to return home with cynthia? :ohmy: But, the better angel of my nature says he may still be unable to cope with the loss of Caylee and still has thoughts of suicide.

I'm just thankful that any therapy he is receiving, inludes facing the reality. Once he does that and the professionals will help him, then he can begin to heal. imo.

[AMS]

Have you seen this petition about Cindy A? I had seen the one for lifetime but not this one. :w00t:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/make-cindy-anthony-accountable-for-her-action

I had not seen this one. Their goal was 1,000 signatures and they have 1,560.

IMO

[Dells]

Good Morning,

Did you all see this? It was posted by blu on the links thread. Yikes! Can they really ask Casey if she knows who killed Caylee? :ohmy:

01-31-2009, 10:23 AM
bluwaters
Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,950

Questionnaire To Casey Anthony: Do You Know Who Killed Caylee?
Church To Host Public Memorial Service For Caylee
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18609060/detail.html#-

Good morning!

Yes, I did see that they asked Casey that on the questionnaire. I seriously doubt Casey will answer it though.:sneaky:

[PuffDragon]

I found this link on another site and found it interesting. A "BRACE Character Profile" was done by Russell L Smith, M.S., HSP-PA, NCP. At the very bottom is his final synopsis of Casey's personality and mental evaluation. Interesting reading if nothing else.

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

Wow!!! Wow!!! So spot on!!! I wish they'd do Cindy too.

[Regina.Lampert]

I was fascinated by the look on her face and in her eyes during that exchange. I saw a bit of seemingly 'madness' there. I truly think mother and daughter are peas in a pod.

I agree with you Kath, she had a desperate trapped look to her.

[debkay]

I had not seen this one. Their goal was 1,000 signatures and they have 1,560.

IMO

It states:
We, The Undersigned, plead with Orange County; State of Florida,
to make Mrs. Cindy Anthony Accountable for her Actions pertaining
to the Disappearance of her Grandaughter....Caylee Marie Anthony.
She has Tampered with Evidence, and has completely Obstructed the
Investigation by Law Enforcement regarding the Case of her Daughter,
Casey Anthony.

[8BellesFan]

I tend to agree with your evil side, who would want to return home with cynthia? :ohmy: But, the better angel of my nature says he may still be unable to cope with the loss of Caylee and still has thoughts of suicide.

I'm just thankful that any therapy he is receiving, inludes facing the reality. Once he does that and the professionals will help him, then he can begin to heal. imo.


having issues for most happens in at least semi-private. to have your breakdown covered on national televison has got to make it worse. I just hope that the crack in the concrete means that enough is enough when it comes to covering for Casey.

[Jester]

I found this link on another site and found it interesting. A "BRACE Character Profile" was done by Russell L Smith, M.S., HSP-PA, NCP. At the very bottom is his final synopsis of Casey's personality and mental evaluation. Interesting reading if nothing else.

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

Thanks for the link. It's an interesting summary of Casey's personality, but would be more interesting if based on her test results. I'd be very interested in seeing her actual test scores.

"In the current case, the input ratings are based strictly on public record, primarily media reports, press releases and interviews. Consequently, the Casey Anthony character profiled is the character created by the media and the facts of the case that have been reported, all filtered through the mind of the rater."

[Dells]

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains Starts New Job
Kronk Leaves Job As Meter Reader

http://www.wesh.com/news/18618997/detail.html


Another life affected by Casey Anthony :sad:

IMO

Yep!:sad: Casey sure has left a trail of destruction in her wake. It seems that everybody that has ever come into contact w/her has had their life negatively impacted in some way. Seriously, how much damage can one person cause?:thumbdown: Sadly, I think there will be much more damage once this is all over with.

[PuffDragon]

Good morning!
Puffdragon, I like the idea of creating a list or lists of things we know. It seems to me that what you are seeking is to differentiate between facts and rumors....There has been no trial yet, and therefore no evidence and no testimony so we can't limit our standards to that.

I think we could agree on facts based on statements to LE and documents released by them.

Upthread someone suggested that it wasn't fact that Casey and Cindy had argued that Father's Day weekend. However, we do know that the neighbor has said that he heard a screamer coming from the Ant house that weekend with vulgar language attendant.

I propose that we also have a list of Ant claims-- from all of them -- which are either definitely or most likely false. For example, Cindy claimed that on Father's Day after taking Caylee to see Cindy's parents (fact, as shown by the video) that they came home and had a pleasant dinner with Casey. I submit that that is most likely false as we know that Casey had been discovered to be an embezzler of her grandfather's funds and that they had had a giant screaming match that weekend. In light of those facts, a pleasant family dinner is unlikely imo.

*Bolding mine

Yes, that is exactly what I want to do.

I don't take any interview statement as anything but hearsay unless I can see where it was proven. That's exactly where we keep getting sidetracked. In fact, I believe your own statement about the pleasant family dinner is incorrect. IIRC Caylee and Cindy had dinner at Shirley's where she found about about the theft, then went home, met Casey, and supposedly had the fight. George was at work and not involved so there is no corroborating statement from him, not that I would take that as fact either.

I agree, it would be very interesting and useful to have a fourth list for Anthony claims with a known T or F or ? on each. Good idea. I will go amend my template. Would you care to pass along a few statements to get me going or do I have to start digging through all my research papers again???

[lady]

I don't blame Casey's parents for this tragedy. I think they have had to deal with Casey all of her life and blame themselves.
I think they believed Casey at first, I think they started doubting Casey later on, then they had to come to terms with little Caylee's death.
I think they tried to take care of Casey and Caylee but had their own problems to deal with and tried the tough love approach with Casey and kicked her out of the nest.
Of course Casey rebelled against that and killed Caylee for revenge and so she could party with her friends.
Casey see's it as being a "*****". Casey doesn't see it as murder.

[Dells]

Phew, I can't even manage to do that with reality! No wonder she's disassociated from the world, her mind is all being used up to keep her stories straight. This this reinforces my feeling that she's relaxing there in jail not having to keep track of any of her stories any more.

Yeah, Casey's lying was like a full time job to her. Jail is giving her reprieve from having to keep everything straight!:sneaky:

[lyannea]

It states:
We, The Undersigned, plead with Orange County; State of Florida,
to make Mrs. Cindy Anthony Accountable for her Actions pertaining
to the Disappearance of her Grandaughter....Caylee Marie Anthony.
She has Tampered with Evidence, and has completely Obstructed the
Investigation by Law Enforcement regarding the Case of her Daughter,
Casey Anthony.


Just my opinion, Cindy DID make the 911 call to alert the police that Caylee was missing. Without that call, and saying that the car smelled like there was a dead body in it,... who knows ?
Maybe someone should get Cindy back in to that state of mind, so we can hear more truths ? Just pondering.....

[PuffDragon]

I don't blame Casey's parents for this tragedy. I think they have had to deal with Casey all of her life and blame themselves.
I think they believed Casey at first, I think they started doubting Casey later on, then they had to come to terms with little Caylee's death.
I think they tried to take care of Casey and Caylee but had their own problems to deal with and tried the tough love approach with Casey and kicked her out of the nest.
Of course Casey rebelled against that and killed Caylee for revenge and so she could party with her friends.
Casey see's it as being a "*****". Casey doesn't see it as murder.

I agree, but not with the revenge part. I think it was a normally dysfunctional family group driven by a sociopathic personality (Casey's) that eventually adapted the other members' behaviors. But I don't think Casey was into revenge as such. It doesn't fit the profile. I really believe Caylee was removed because she was no longer a positive factor in Casey's life. If she was going to end up losing Cindy and George's physical support, and Caylee was getting in the way of her lifestyle, then, well, she was no longer of any use and had to go.

[sachae]

Good Morning,

Does Tony, or any of her boyfriends ever go and visit her, just wondering?:confused:

[Dells]

Seems like Geraldo duped us again. The Cindy interview last night was from July. Interesting to watch though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wj5Y74PBfA

Thanks for the link. I have never seen that interview before. I can't believe how argumentative CA was being w/GR.:scared: I did not start following this case until late last year and I missed all the things that happened in the beginning like this interview. Wow, that was truly shocking.

[PuffDragon]

Yeah, Casey's lying was like a full time job to her. Jail is giving her reprieve from having to keep everything straight!:sneaky:

Too bad she couldn't see how much easier her life would have been if she'd just gone and gotten a useful job. She wouldn't have had to lie and hide, she could have paid to have Caylee in daycare, she had Cindy at home in the evening if she wanted to go out, she would have had pocket money and not had to steal............. I don't know how she could possibly think she was in any way better off with the lifestyle she had chosen.

[VC2]

I tend to agree with your evil side, who would want to return home with cynthia? :ohmy: But, the better angel of my nature says he may still be unable to cope with the loss of Caylee and still has thoughts of suicide.

I'm just thankful that any therapy he is receiving, inludes facing the reality. Once he does that and the professionals will help him, then he can begin to heal. imo.

I think he shattered, he was close enough to attempt suicide, and once hospitalized he shattered to the point that he needs further inpatient treatment. It does happen after someone has tried to end it all and gets help, the full level of depression comes out - that they had tried to control before or cover. Sort of like spring cleaning, if someone walks into a house in the middle of it the home looks like a disastrous mess bc everything is out of the cupboards etc as cleaning happens before its put back. Treatment can do that same thing, a patient is in worse shape at times after they start than before because facing the very demons inside is not easy and it takes time to put humpty dumpty together again.

I do not believe that the Halifax hospital or the treatment center he will be going to closer to home are keeping him for any reason than he needs it. They are not all incompetent just bc some here want to think the worst of him, and to be honest i don't think that its at all a surprise given this case and the death of his granddaughter at the hands of caysee.

I am not going to secondguess his treatment team and think anything beyond they know what they are doing. As you said outpatient treatment is normally pushed early and doesn't matter if he wants to stay in they would discharge him if they feel he is well enough. In fact its a part of therapy to not let a patient stay when they are strong enough.

[sachae]

I think it's more of that sociopathic lying at the drop of the hat with no thought behind it. Now they are going to be faced in court with answering to all of those contradictory lies. Not a good position to be in for sure. :thumbup:

How is her defense team ever going to get around that, becuase the police caught her in so many lies, on tape she even admitted to lying about bringing them on a wild goose chase, and then the 2 people that worked there, and so, so many more.

[Dells]

Good morning everyone!

Well, did anyone else catch the geraldo interview with cynthia last night on his show? Kimberly Guilfoyle hosted and stated "that because so many requested it" and then went on to introduce an interview from July.

cynthia and baez were there, but cindy did all the talking and wow, did she look bad, imo. She also jumped ugly when geraldo asked her if she knew any info on the kidnappers and what it was. She responded something like "are you fricking kidding me, I wouldn't impede the investigation.......I gave that info to the OCSD."

I think the info to which she was referring was her brilliant idea that Jesse, Amy and/or Ricardo were "Zanny."

I had never seen this little performance, glad they showed it again.

Thanks for posting it Moonie!!!

Bolding is mine....

I think you are right!

[PuffDragon]

Good Morning,

Does Tony, or any of her boyfriends ever go and visit her, just wondering?:confused:

They were fairly casual friends. TonE cut her off from the get-go, he wouldn't even take that first call from jail after she threw her fit getting his number. Nobody wants to know her any more.

She doesn't take any visitors anyway.

[Lavenia]

I found this link on another site and found it interesting. A "BRACE Character Profile" was done by Russell L Smith, M.S., HSP-PA, NCP. At the very bottom is his final synopsis of Casey's personality and mental evaluation. Interesting reading if nothing else.

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

Very interesting read. We could have saved him the trouble since that's what most of us have thought for some time, lol. We didn't have any cool and neat-o graphs, though. :biggrin:

[Kathlb]

How is her defense team ever going to get around that, becuase the police caught her in so many lies, on tape she even admitted to lying about bringing them on a wild goose chase, and then the 2 people that worked there, and so, so many more.

Personally, I don't see how they can ever get around all that she said.

[WillowInFlight]

Yeah, Casey's lying was like a full time job to her. Jail is giving her reprieve from having to keep everything straight!:sneaky:

You know I really believe that, I think being Casey was a hard job. Trying to keep track who she told what and when straight, now the only person she has to keep track of is herself. I think in some warped way that is a relief to her, add to that, no more answering to Cindy, no more fighting with George, no more taking care of Caylee. She is probably sitting back thinking she has the life. After all this is just a vacation, I'm sure her knight in shinning amour has promised her that this is just a bump in the road.

[Daffodil]

Interesting thought. hmmmm Do you think that after his apparent suicide attempt that he called for LE and told them he didn't want to go home but would testify to the truth of what he knows if they would help him stay away?

I think he started cooperating prior to the DP being taken off the table. I think that is why it was taken off the table.

Then, like the other poster, my evil twin side says this is a big ploy. But I am leaning towards the first scenario.

[PuffDragon]

Personally, I don't see how they can ever get around all that she said.

"She may be a liar but that doesn't make her a murderer"

It's...uh.... the first statement defense lawyers learn when they get into law school.

MO

[WillowInFlight]

How is her defense team ever going to get around that, becuase the police caught her in so many lies, on tape she even admitted to lying about bringing them on a wild goose chase, and then the 2 people that worked there, and so, so many more.

They can't very well say that she was following a script because she was in fear for her daughter's life, because then they would have to bring up the nanny, a nanny that can be proven doesn't exist, so Lord knows how they are going to explain all these actions away.

[WillowInFlight]

"She may be a liar but that doesn't make her a murderer"

It's...uh.... the first statement defense lawyers learn when they get into law school.

I wonder how that statement is working for Cindy now. :rolleyes:

[desmom]

Thanks for the link. I have never seen that interview before. I can't believe how argumentative CA was being w/GR.:scared: I did not start following this case until late last year and I missed all the things that happened in the beginning like this interview. Wow, that was truly shocking.

I find Cindy's comments about Caylee's father interesting. How does she know this man was Caylee's father without a paternity test? Didn't they believe Jesse was Caylee's father at one time?

[Lavenia]

"She may be a liar but that doesn't make her a murderer"

It's...uh.... the first statement defense lawyers learn when they get into law school.

MO

Depends on what they're lying about, IMO.

[Dells]

Good Morning,

Does Tony, or any of her boyfriends ever go and visit her, just wondering?:confused:

No they don't.

[Texas48]

Working on my first coffee too.
I misread the plural depositions to mean all. :punch:

I'm interested in Zanny's address in Cindy's address book.
Did you know forensics can determine when an entry was made on paper? They can tell how fresh the ink is by how much the ink has broken down/faded. Saw it on a forensic investigation show. Very interesting
I wonder if the FBI has Cindy's book and tested that entry to determine whether ZG address has been there some time or recently entered? Good morning all....My quess..and only a quess..If Cindy is smart and has taken the advise of her attorney she will tell LE everything she has done to help KC..including entering an address after the fact..Yes..Forensics can tell (at least get close) to when the ink was used/how old it was. I just hope Cindy fesses up to ALL she did. But then It could be that KC HAD given Cindy this FAKE address for Zanny just as she did LE. We will find out ALL THE DETAILS at trial. ALL the pieces will come together. jmo

[Dells]

They were fairly casual friends. TonE cut her off from the get-go, he wouldn't even take that first call from jail after she threw her fit getting his number. Nobody wants to know her any more.

She doesn't take any visitors anyway.

I thought that was priceless!:w00t: She goes through all that trouble getting TonE's phone number and then he wouldn't even take her call. Doesn't he know all the trouble she went through? She had to memorize his phone number all the while talking to Kristina trying to keep her lies straight.:rolleyes:

[Dells]

Personally, I don't see how they can ever get around all that she said.

Especially since they have it all there on tape. Can't wait for the prosecutors to play those tapes for the jury.:w00t:

[Dells]

You know I really believe that, I think being Casey was a hard job. Trying to keep track who she told what and when straight, now the only person she has to keep track of is herself. I think in some warped way that is a relief to her, add to that, no more answering to Cindy, no more fighting with George, no more taking care of Caylee. She is probably sitting back thinking she has the life. After all this is just a vacation, I'm sure her knight in shinning amour has promised her that this is just a bump in the road.

Yep, Casey finally has her "beautiful life".:sneaky:

[WillowInFlight]

Depends on what they're lying about, IMO.

Well you know that old saying, "if their lips are moving"........ :laugh:
Good morning Lavenia. :wub:

[bchand]

Good Morning,

Does Tony, or any of her boyfriends ever go and visit her, just wondering?:confused:

sachae - I'm sure that none of them want anything to do with her. She did call Tony from jail but he didn't accept her call.


For anyone collecting Cindy's statements, don't forget the July 17th tv interview where she says that Casey has always "been a joy".

http://www.wftv.com/video/16914628/index.html

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning all....My quess..and only a quess..If Cindy is smart and has taken the advise of her attorney she will tell LE everything she has done to help KC..including entering an address after the fact..Yes..Forensics can tell (at least get close) to when the ink was used/how old it was. I just hope Cindy fesses up to ALL she did. But then It could be that KC HAD given Cindy this FAKE address for Zanny just as she did LE. We will find out ALL THE DETAILS at trial. ALL the pieces will come together. jmo

I have a hard time believing that Cindy will ever admit to anything, George maybe, if he is away from Cindy long enough.

[Barbara fl.]

They can't very well say that she was following a script because she was in fear for her daughter's life, because then they would have to bring up the nanny, a nanny that can be proven doesn't exist, so Lord knows how they are going to explain all these actions away.



Good morning all...

Also, that wont wash or be used as an excuse any longer, for the simple reason that Caylee is now deceased so therefore Casey can no longer be affraid of "Zenaida" harming her....

There is absolutely nothing that the defense can say in Casey's defense at this point....They all have to be sorry they ever took on this case....JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning all...

Also, that wont wash or be used as an excuse any longer, for the simple reason that Caylee is now deceased so therefore Casey can no longer be affraid of "Zenaida" harming her....

There is absolutely nothing that the defense can say in Casey's defense at this point....They all have to be sorry they ever took on this case....JMO

And I can't seem them going with any kind of insanity, wasn't Casey evaluated before she was let out on bail?

[trich]

How is her defense team ever going to get around that, becuase the police caught her in so many lies, on tape she even admitted to lying about bringing them on a wild goose chase, and then the 2 people that worked there, and so, so many more.


Well one thing ...Casey will not be answering
any questions on the stand...IMO she will never get up there
to testify.
So if the prosecution has witnesses to testify to those lies
again imo all Baez has is to try and discredit those witnesses....

Which I think will be very hard to do because I bet there are more then one witness to each lie Casey has told.

[VC2]

I agree with you Kath, she had a desperate trapped look to her.

well i agree with you on that regina but not on the meaning. I think she was looking despserate and trapped bc she was. Desperate for a live Caylee, trapped bc the only thing that might mean that is the kidnapping story which LE and most others found unbelievable. However she HAD to believe it given that not to meant caylee was dead at her daughters hand. I feel like she was desperately flailing like a fish on a hook to frantically convince others to validate her belief in caylee is alive.

actually i put down most of her behavior etc. to that need of believing caylee was alive in the "i am dancing as fast as i can" mode. Her anger when anyone suggested that caysee was involved, or even people searching for a dead caylee since obviously she was not alive in fields and swamps. I don't think she was deliberately obstructive in the way we normally think of the word but rather frantic to make her belief the truth bc its all she could face. Plus it has been my own feeling that she was medicated quite a lot and that can contribute to enforcing an alternate reality if the need is strong enough, plus short term memory loss.

imo

[Barbara fl.]

I have a hard time believing that Cindy will ever admit to anything, George maybe, if he is away from Cindy long enough.


If what George did was the truth and he was close to taking his own life...he will be willing to do anything at all to ease the pain he is going thru....when the theropist's get thru with him, he will most likely be willing to seperate himself from the person who caused all this heartache (Casey)....he will know that the only way he can have closure to the loss of Caylee and not feel guilt over what Casey did will mean closure for him and then the healing will begin...JMOO

[i_pickle]

Seems like Geraldo duped us again. The Cindy interview last night was from July. Interesting to watch though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wj5Y74PBfAThanks for the link. I didn't watch the show because I didn't think Cindy would be on. I've also never seen this earlier interview.

"Then act like my friend", says Cindy after Geraldo reminds her that he's not her enemy. :rolleyes:

Everyone feels they have to tiptoe as tho they're walking on glass with Cindy. Imo, she uses that constantly. Oddly enough, her daughter seems to have that same effect on her (and other immediate family members)

It's almost as if people are terrified of angering her. Imo she knows just how to manipulate people. She uses pity and fear.

[Barbara fl.]

And I can't seem them going with any kind of insanity, wasn't Casey evaluated before she was let out on bail?



A insanity plea is not an option in the State of Florida...If she knew enough to hide her actions then "no insanity plea will be accepted"...She is on her way to LWOP...no doubt at all...

The ONLY thing that could save her for a new trial is if one juror decides to go against the grain to cause a hung jury...and that would only prolong the obvious conviction...JMOO

[Jeepers]

Too bad she couldn't see how much easier her life would have been if she'd just gone and gotten a useful job. She wouldn't have had to lie and hide, she could have paid to have Caylee in daycare, she had Cindy at home in the evening if she wanted to go out, she would have had pocket money and not had to steal............. I don't know how she could possibly think she was in any way better off with the lifestyle she had chosen.

That is so true Puff. It is amazing though how a full time job can interfere with a social life. After a (real) day of work most folks are just too tired to go out. Casey did not have time to work. She did not even feel ashame of herself for not working. She would hang out with friends until they had to go to work or school. It did not bother her. Most people would be embarassed not to have a job or school to attend.
I am sure she felt something because she lied about it but, did not think enough about it to act on it. She just talked a good game. Strange Girl, look where it got her. Sad.

[Texas48]

I find Cindy's comments about Caylee's father interesting. How does she know this man was Caylee's father without a paternity test? Didn't they believe Jesse was Caylee's father at one time?
Because KC TOLD HER SO. Isn't everything KC says the truth? At first she lies but then she tells the truth.......OK..Enough said from me.

[need2no]

*Bolding mine

Yes, that is exactly what I want to do.

I don't take any interview statement as anything but hearsay unless I can see where it was proven. That's exactly where we keep getting sidetracked. In fact, I believe your own statement about the pleasant family dinner is incorrect. IIRC Caylee and Cindy had dinner at Shirley's where she found about about the theft, then went home, met Casey, and supposedly had the fight. George was at work and not involved so there is no corroborating statement from him, not that I would take that as fact either.

I agree, it would be very interesting and useful to have a fourth list for Anthony claims with a known T or F or ? on each. Good idea. I will go amend my template. Would you care to pass along a few statements to get me going or do I have to start digging through all my research papers again???


Where was it stated that Cindy found out about the theft on Father's Day when she and Caylee had dinner with her mom?

[Texas48]

Especially since they have it all there on tape. Can't wait for the prosecutors to play those tapes for the jury.:w00t: IMO...LKB will have an explanation for all. This is just what she does best.

[PuffDragon]

I thought that was priceless!:w00t: She goes through all that trouble getting TonE's phone number and then he wouldn't even take her call. Doesn't he know all the trouble she went through? She had to memorize his phone number all the while talking to Kristina trying to keep her lies straight.:rolleyes:

That was definitely one of those karma moments.

[PuffDragon]

Good morning all...

Also, that wont wash or be used as an excuse any longer, for the simple reason that Caylee is now deceased so therefore Casey can no longer be affraid of "Zenaida" harming her....

There is absolutely nothing that the defense can say in Casey's defense at this point....They all have to be sorry they ever took on this case....JMO

*Bolding mine

So..... you think they don't consider it a challenge now>

[Texas48]

Thanks for the link. I didn't watch the show because I didn't think Cindy would be on. I've also never seen this earlier interview.

"Then act like my friend", says Cindy after Geraldo reminds her that he's not her enemy. :rolleyes:

Everyone feels they have to tiptoe as tho they're walking on glass with Cindy. Imo, she uses that constantly. Oddly enough, her daughter seems to have that same effect on her (and other immediate family members)

It's almost as if people are terrified of angering her. Imo she knows just how to manipulate people. She uses pity and fear. It was so funny how GR backed right down when Cindy lost her temper. Just seems like everyone backs down to her. jmo

[jammies]

I was fascinated by the look on her face and in her eyes during that exchange. I saw a bit of seemingly 'madness' there. I truly think mother and daughter are peas in a pod.

Wow! I saw that too. Couldn't have said it any better, Kath.

[desmom]

Because KC TOLD HER SO. Isn't everything KC says the truth? At first she lies but then she tells the truth.......OK..Enough said from me.

How could I have forgot? :punch: Casey said it, so it must be true!

Thanks for the reminder!

[PuffDragon]

That is so true Puff. It is amazing though how a full time job can interfere with a social life. After a (real) day of work most folks are just too tired to go out. Casey did not have time to work. She did not even feel ashame of herself for not working. She would hang out with friends until they had to go to work or school. It did not bother her. Most people would be embarassed not to have a job or school to attend.
I am sure she felt something because she lied about it but, did not think enough about it to act on it. She just talked a good game. Strange Girl, look where it got her. Sad.

*Bolding mine

Naw, she lied about it to fit in with all her friends who did have jobs. I'd bet she would have loved to be able to say "I'm independently wealthy and don't need to work." Think of all the lying that would have spared her.

The other thing is, with a decent job she might have actually grown to have some feelings of responsibility and self-worth......... oh heck, here I am thinking of her as a normal person again. Of course a sociopath wouldn't have developed those feelings, she didn't even know she was lacking them.

[i_pickle]

It was so funny how GR backed right down when Cindy lost her temper. Just seems like everyone backs down to her. jmoYes, he did. It seems as tho everyone does that. And oddly enough that's exactly what both Cindy and George do when it looks like Casey is upset.

[need2no]

It was so funny how GR backed right down when Cindy lost her temper. Just seems like everyone backs down to her. jmo

Except Meghan Kelly, so she should do all the interviews with Cindy. :smile:

[Texas48]

A insanity plea is not an option in the State of Florida...If she knew enough to hide her actions then "no insanity plea will be accepted"...She is on her way to LWOP...no doubt at all...

The ONLY thing that could save her for a new trial is if one juror decides to go against the grain to cause a hung jury...and that would only prolong the obvious conviction...JMOO ITA Barbara...I have been following cases since can't remember when....I seem to always keep the thought in my mind that it only takes one person on the jury to have doubt. Ever since LKB came on scene I have had the feeling this may happen in this case. She is very good with her words and is very capable of TRYING to leave doubt w/the jury. Only takes ONE. In this case there is so much money to be made w/book and movie deals....If the LONE person on the jury finds NOT GUILTY even he/she can write a book. Everytime I watch Lifetime I see KC name written all over it. Time will tell. jmo

[PuffDragon]

Where was it stated that Cindy found out about the theft on Father's Day when she and Caylee had dinner with her mom?

I'm not saying I believe it, it's still in my hearsay column, but It's being tossed around as a reason for the fight that evening. Probably another one of those conjectures. I think it could have come from brother Rick's emails but I'm not sure.

[PuffDragon]

It was so funny how GR backed right down when Cindy lost her temper. Just seems like everyone backs down to her. jmo

Except Meghan on Fox. That was priceless.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm not saying I believe it, it's still in my hearsay column, but It's being tossed around as a reason for the fight that evening. Probably another one of those conjectures. I think it could have come from brother Rick's emails but I'm not sure.

Didn't Lee also tell LE about the fight and the reason for it?

[Texas48]

Except Meghan Kelly, so she should do all the interviews with Cindy. :smile:
ITA but that is never going to happen because Cindy can not scare Megan away/off. Megan STANDS UP to Cindy and that is a big NO-NO.

[Texas48]

Didn't Lee also tell LE about the fight and the reason for it? You are correct Willow.

[PuffDragon]

Except Meghan Kelly, so she should do all the interviews with Cindy. :smile:

Yep, I said the same thing n2n. That was a terrific interview and for once Cindy was left weaponless. I have never figured out why it never happened again.

[PuffDragon]

Didn't Lee also tell LE about the fight and the reason for it?

Lee wasn't there. He got the information from Casey and maybe from Rick. Hearsay.

[WillowInFlight]

Lee wasn't there. He got the information from Casey and maybe from Rick. Hearsay.

Well Rick wasn't there either, so he had to get his info from someone.

[Roux]

Seems like Geraldo duped us again. The Cindy interview last night was from July. Interesting to watch though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wj5Y74PBfA

And she wonders why the public doesn't like her! From the get-go Cindy did not behave like a grieving grandmother.
Thanks for posting; I had not seen this before.

[Jeepers]

*Bolding mine

Naw, she lied about it to fit in with all her friends who did have jobs. I'd bet she would have loved to be able to say "I'm independently wealthy and don't need to work." Think of all the lying that would have spared her.

The other thing is, with a decent job she might have actually grown to have some feelings of responsibility and self-worth......... oh heck, here I am thinking of her as a normal person again. Of course a sociopath wouldn't have developed those feelings, she didn't even know she was lacking them.

Yep, I heard you thinking. Here is the Hammer you know what to dohammer!:scared: jk:wub:

[Dunlurken]

Testing, testing, please excuse the interruption. JMO.

[i_pickle]

Except Meghan Kelly, so she should do all the interviews with Cindy. :smile:I didn't hear that interview either...never heard of Megan Kelly, so I searched, found it and listened.

Kudos to Ms Kelly!!! I agree. She should do all of the interviews with both Cindy and George. She echos my sentiments, exactly. No nonsense and not about to be manipulated by her constant bs.

:thumbup:

[Dunlurken]

And she wonders why the public doesn't like her! From the get-go Cindy did not behave like a grieving grandmother.
Thanks for posting; I had not seen this before.

Let us not forget she was in denial and was hoping Caylee would be found ALIVE. JMO.

Casey is to blame for this carp. No one else. JMO.

[AMS]

Seems like Geraldo duped us again. The Cindy interview last night was from July. Interesting to watch though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wj5Y74PBfA

Someone on the board last night (can't remember who) thought it was interesting that GR decided to replay this video which certainly made the Anthonys looked bad. They were wondering if this was part of a Baez strategy.

Is it possible the defense will say Cindy's controlling negative ways drove Casey to killing Caylee?

IMO

[Roux]

I find Cindy's comments about Caylee's father interesting. How does she know this man was Caylee's father without a paternity test? Didn't they believe Jesse was Caylee's father at one time?

She said she had seen an obit but didn't remember his name; however, did she not tell someone - maybe GVS - where he lived? She supposedly went to an atty to clear custody. I thought there had been two names bandied about. Not that it matters at this point, but she was lying to GR.

[Dells]

Good morning all...

Also, that wont wash or be used as an excuse any longer, for the simple reason that Caylee is now deceased so therefore Casey can no longer be affraid of "Zenaida" harming her....

There is absolutely nothing that the defense can say in Casey's defense at this point....They all have to be sorry they ever took on this case....JMO

I agree. The only thing they can do now is to try to poke holes in the prosecution's case. I think they have already started doing this.:sneaky:

[AMS]

Testing, testing, please excuse the interruption. JMO.

Did you pass your test?

[need2no]

I'm not saying I believe it, it's still in my hearsay column, but It's being tossed around as a reason for the fight that evening. Probably another one of those conjectures. I think it could have come from brother Rick's emails but I'm not sure.

I'm not sure either but people toss it out there like it's fact. casey's birthday is March 19 and that's when she got the check as a b'day gift from Shirley. When did she use the routing #'s to rip off her Grandmother? Did she wait over 2 months to do this deed?

March 19 to June 15 is a long time, just seems like this would have been discovered prior to FD. Also I would assume Shirley would have notified Cindy of this thief immediately upon finding out, and she would not have found out on Sunday, June 15. If the arguement was connected to the funds stolen from the Grandparents, I would guess the 2nd battle about this on FD was due to the fact that Shirley advised Cindy she wasn't pleased with the way she handled this and it got Cindy stirred up and angry again.

Also according to Cindy she was hanging around the house on her vacation (gave up her plans to go to the inlaws), waiting on casey to show up with Caylee. I suspect the big blow out about the thief occurred in early June and that's why casey took off.

I'll check Rick's emails again and see what it says about this.

[Dunlurken]

Someone on the board last night (can't remember who) thought it was interesting that GR decided to replay this video which certainly made the Anthonys looked bad. They were wondering if this was part of a Baez strategy.

Is it possible the defense will say Cindy's controlling negative ways drove Casey to killing Caylee?

IMO

That's not an excuse for murder. Plenty of controlling parents... me being one. LOL. I saw something interesting last night on some crazy show I was watching. Called pathological intoxification. (Wonder if it's for real, or just made up for movies.) LOL. Thought I would bring it up today. I'll google it to see if it's for real.

[happygert]

In the video Cindy says she doesn't want to lose both of them. She quickly corrects herself to say either of them but it seems clear to me that she knows she has lost one, Caylee, and is dancing as fast as she can to save Casey. Every so often Cindy slips up and blurts out the truth. Usually it only takes a second for her to get back to cover-up mode. MOO :sneaky:

ITA!!...She's says I don't want to loose "both of my children" then pauses and corrects herself...She knew she'd done lost Caylee...Then she starts spinning I know where casey is she's safe.... Safe from what? The imaginary nanny? .......

[Dells]

A insanity plea is not an option in the State of Florida...If she knew enough to hide her actions then "no insanity plea will be accepted"...She is on her way to LWOP...no doubt at all...

The ONLY thing that could save her for a new trial is if one juror decides to go against the grain to cause a hung jury...and that would only prolong the obvious conviction...JMOO

I agree. And I personally don't see how a hung jury is going to help Casey. It might help the defense team because they can then earn another notch in their belt. But in terms of it helping Casey, I just don't see it. It will just go to retrial and she will be convicted in a heartbeat w/out her dream team. It will just prolong the inevitable for her. I guess the plus side for her is that she will be in jail longer and not prison. The big house will be a lot more scary for her.

[WillowInFlight]

That's not an excuse for murder. Plenty of controlling parents... me being one. LOL. I saw something interesting last night on some crazy show I was watching. Called pathological intoxification. (Wonder if it's for real, or just made up for movies.) LOL. Thought I would bring it up today. I'll google it to see if it's for real.

http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/TPA%252f.aspx

[AMS]

That's not an excuse for murder. Plenty of controlling parents... me being one. LOL. I saw something interesting last night on some crazy show I was watching. Called pathological intoxification. (Wonder if it's for real, or just made up for movies.) LOL. Thought I would bring it up today. I'll google it to see if it's for real.

ITA it's not an excuse for murder. However, the jury may buy into it more than they would Zanny the invisible nanny.


IMO

[BJames]

I wonder if we will ever hear from Cindy's family members?
It would be interesting to find out how Cindy speaks to her own mother, maybe there are some similar dynamics between them as there are between Casey and her?
It just seems as if Casey has no (or at least very little) respect for anyone, not only just George and Cindy but also her attitude towards LE. Watching Casey with Jose is odd to me...she looks at him in a totally different way than she seems to anyone else. I would like to be a bug on the wall and listen to them talking, I have the feeling that she isn't rude to him at all...it's like she 'looks up' to him?
I also noticed during the August 14th jail interview Casey has a different tone of voice depending on who she is speaking with at the moment, she doesn't appear to show the same 'anger' with George as she does with Cindy.
Just an observation...but I am guessing that we are going to find out at trial that Casey had very few (if any real) female 'friends'. It seems that it is the same for Cindy...no close gal friends showing up with a shoulder to lean on. Actually...I can not recall even one female friend surfacing as of yet...I find that very odd. I have had friends that were going thru a stress filled time (nothing like this)...but I was there..if for nothing else than to make a pot of tea and sit beside them.

It just seems there is nobody there for them at all...and for the most part it is times like this that you find out who your 'true' friends are.

Just my opinion of course...

[WillowInFlight]

ITA it's not an excuse for murder. However, the jury may buy into it more than they would Zanny the invisible nanny.


IMO

ITA, but even that is going to be a long shot.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by Barbara fl.
-snip-

There is absolutely nothing that the defense can say in Casey's defense at this point....They all have to be sorry they ever took on this case....JMO

Baez will never be sorry unless he gets removed from the case because of incompetence. This case is a win-win for him, regardless of the verdict.

Money can't buy the publicity he's getting. Losing the case won't hurt, especially if the evidence is overwhelming. He can claim he's doing what all defense lawyers do...defending a client regardless of innocence or guilt.

I think he is going to milk this case for the publicity for as long as he can, and I don't for a minute think he thinks he can win. He wants the face time to bully the media to show future clients how aggressive he will be for them. I predict he will be on every TV show he can, he'll give pressers as often as he can, and he'll portray himself as the underdog who lost the case because of the bad pre-trial publicity.

Never, of course, mentioning he fought the gag that would have stopped it all.

MO

[happygert]

She said she had seen an obit but didn't remember his name; however, did she not tell someone - maybe GVS - where he lived? She supposedly went to an atty to clear custody. I thought there had been two names bandied about. Not that it matters at this point, but she was lying to GR.

When the A's lips are moving their lying...

[Dunlurken]

http://www.greenwood.com/catalog/TPA%252f.aspxSo, you've seen it too?

Let me see if I can copy the relevant stuff.

"Description:
Drinking alcohol can, in rare instances, provoke a temporary psychotic often violent reaction called pathological intoxication. Although it was medically identified in 1869, pathological intoxication has been an enigma to the law for over a century, primarily because the actual medical and psychiatric aspects of the concept have not been adequately explained before. But, as the authors of this volume point out, it is crucial for the defense attorney and the prosecutor to understand whether pathological or ordinary intoxication is involved in a particular case because pathological intoxication furnishes the basis of important and perhaps decisive defense strategies beyond those which derive from ordinary intoxication. This interdisciplinary study provides the first in-depth exploration of both the medical and psychiatric facts underlying the phenomenon of pathological intoxication and explores the suitability of various defense theories.

Written especially for practicing criminal defense lawyers, public defenders, prosecutors, and forensic psychiatrists, the volume begins by examining the clinical and experimental evidence of pathological intoxication. In subsequent chapters, the authors alert the attorney to the indications that a defendant should be examined for possible pathological intoxication and include hard-to-find medical sources of support for the concept to persuade courts and prosecutors of its legitimacy. A series of chapters thoroughly explores all the relevant legal defense strategies available in pathological intoxication cases including the defense of automatism, the law of insanity, involuntary intoxication, and diminished capacity and extreme mental and emotional disturbance. Throughout, the authors incorporate both domestic and foreign literature relating to pathological intoxication. The inclusion of ample case examples as well as a wealth of medical and psychiatric data make this book a major contribution to our understanding of both the phenomenon of pathological intoxication and its implications for legal defense strategy."

For some reason it made me think of Casey.

[ishkabibble]

I noticed this bit of information when I was re reading the LE interview transcriptions.

Tony L states that he and his room mate were playding video games and Casey was on the couch using the laptop when Amy arrived with Cindy.
Casey then leaves with Cindy and never returns to Tony's.

Lee goes to Tony's later that night to get Casey's things, he tells LE Casey's computer is on the counter plugged in but turned off. he attempts to use it but gets an error screen. He does got some info but says all emails and such prior to that date have been deleted.

Cindy had texted Casey earlier that day about a "Big Problem". Did Cindy have any contact with Casey after that text, did Casey know the jig was up and that is what she was doing at Tony's, deleting her info. Or did Amy contact Casey after she got the initial call from CIndy while she(Amy) was at the mall waiting for CIndy to come get her.

I don't think she could have deleted the info once Cindy arrived, so it had to have been earlier, but why, coincidence in timing or did she have advance notice via Cindy or Amy that the hammer was about to drop. at least with regards to the car and obviously very soon after that "Where is Caylee?'

[need2no]

In the video Cindy says she doesn't want to lose both of them. She quickly corrects herself to say either of them but it seems clear to me that she knows she has lost one, Caylee, and is dancing as fast as she can to save Casey. Every so often Cindy slips up and blurts out the truth. Usually it only takes a second for her to get back to cover-up mode. MOO :sneaky:

This statement made on LKL has always rubbed me raw:

Larry King: Do you have any thoughts, Cindy, as to what happened to your granddaughter?

Cindy Anthony: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that I made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that Casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find Caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.

Their focus is on trying to find Caylee so casey can be exonerated????

[AMS]

ITA, but even that is going to be a long shot.

Yep. I'm not pushing this thought. People were just trying to figure out if there was a "reason" GR played the video other than people wanting to see it.

IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I wonder if we will ever hear from Cindy's family members?
It would be interesting to find out how Cindy speaks to her own mother, maybe there are some similar dynamics between them as there are between Casey and her?
It just seems as if Casey has no (or at least very little) respect for anyone, not only just George and Cindy but also her attitude towards LE. Watching Casey with Jose is odd to me...she looks at him in a totally different way than she seems to anyone else. I would like to be a bug on the wall and listen to them talking, I have the feeling that she isn't rude to him at all...it's like she 'looks up' to him?
I also noticed during the August 14th jail interview Casey has a different tone of voice depending on who she is speaking with at the moment, she doesn't appear to show the same 'anger' with George as she does with Cindy.
Just an observation...but I am guessing that we are going to find out at trial that Casey had very few (if any real) female 'friends'. It seems that it is the same for Cindy...no close gal friends showing up with a shoulder to lean on. Actually...I can not recall even one female friend surfacing as of yet...I find that very odd. I have had friends that were going thru a stress filled time (nothing like this)...but I was there..if for nothing else than to make a pot of tea and sit beside them.

It just seems there is nobody there for them at all...and for the most part it is times like this that you find out who your 'true' friends are.

Just my opinion of course...

You're right, the only ones we have heard from is co-workers, and they don't even put her in the best light. Cindy sounds like she pretty much secluded herself outside of work.

[i_pickle]

Someone on the board last night (can't remember who) thought it was interesting that GR decided to replay this video which certainly made the Anthonys looked bad. They were wondering if this was part of a Baez strategy.

Is it possible the defense will say Cindy's controlling negative ways drove Casey to killing Caylee?

IMOI've wondered early on if the defense will use Cindy's abrasive, unlikeable, public outbursts as a means to illicit sympathy from prospective jurors in Casey's trial.

She (Casey) clearly comes from a dysfunctional family. That's not an excuse for murder but it could effect the outcome of the severity of the sentence if she is found guilty.

[Dells]

It was so funny how GR backed right down when Cindy lost her temper. Just seems like everyone backs down to her. jmo

Very true. I think they were afraid to be perceived to be too hard on the grandmother of a missing toddler. Cindy played that card to the hilt.

[happygert]

I'm not sure either but people toss it out there like it's fact. casey's birthday is March 19 and that's when she got the check as a b'day gift from Shirley. When did she use the routing #'s to rip off her Grandmother? Did she wait over 2 months to do this deed?

March 19 to June 15 is a long time, just seems like this would have been discovered prior to FD. Also I would assume Shirley would have notified Cindy of this thief immediately upon finding out, and she would not have found out on Sunday, June 15. If the arguement was connected to the funds stolen from the Grandparents, I would guess the 2nd battle about this on FD was due to the fact that Shirley advised Cindy she wasn't pleased with the way she handled this and it got Cindy stirred up and angry again.

Also according to Cindy she was hanging around the house on her vacation (gave up her plans to go to the inlaws), waiting on casey to show up with Caylee. I suspect the big blow out about the thief occurred in early June and that's why casey took off.

I'll check Rick's emails again and see what it says about this.

IIRC she did it in April .. To Late to come back on check statement for May.. IT came in June.....

[WillowInFlight]

Yep. I'm not pushing this thought. People were just trying to figure out if there was a "reason" GR played the video other than people wanting to see it.

IMO.

I'd like to know too, since it did nothing but reaffirm what we feel for Cindy, and it just seems odd, after we have seen GR budding up to Baez.

[KKKKKKatie]

O/T But I want to make sure you all have seen this. One of our regular posters needs our prayers

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12731894&posted=1#post12731894

[Dells]

*Bolding mine

Naw, she lied about it to fit in with all her friends who did have jobs. I'd bet she would have loved to be able to say "I'm independently wealthy and don't need to work." Think of all the lying that would have spared her.

The other thing is, with a decent job she might have actually grown to have some feelings of responsibility and self-worth......... oh heck, here I am thinking of her as a normal person again. Of course a sociopath wouldn't have developed those feelings, she didn't even know she was lacking them.

Exactly. It seems that she had no shame in not having a job and being able to take care of herself and Caylee. She felt a sense of entitlement that her parents had to take care of her. She was an adult, she should have been able to take care of herself and her responsibilities.

[Dunlurken]

I'm sure I'm going to be slapped in the face for posting this. But if Caylee didn't look like Jesse Grund as an infant, then I've lost my mind. The eyes set apart, etc. I think/heard, he took a paternity test and it was found he was not the dad. So, they do have his DNA. I don't know why people keep harping about the "sealed" DNA, etc.

Just thought I'd throw it out for discussion, and JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I've wondered early on if the defense will use Cindy's abrasive, unlikeable, public outbursts as a means to illicit sympathy from prospective jurors in Casey's trial.

She (Casey) clearly comes from a dysfunctional family. That's not an excuse for murder but it could effect the outcome of the severity of the sentence if she is found guilty.

They can try, but at the end of the day, Casey is the one that is responsible. Caylee is the one that paid, I think that will be foremost in the juries mind. IMO

[need2no]

Baez will never be sorry unless he gets removed from the case because of incompetence. This case is a win-win for him, regardless of the verdict.

Money can't buy the publicity he's getting. Losing the case won't hurt, especially if the evidence is overwhelming. He can claim he's doing what all defense lawyers do...defending a client regardless of innocence or guilt.

I think he is going to milk this case for the publicity for as long as he can, and I don't for a minute think he thinks he can win. He wants the face time to bully the media to show future clients how aggressive he will be for them. I predict he will be on every TV show he can, he'll give pressers as often as he can, and he'll portray himself as the underdog who lost the case because of the bad pre-trial publicity.

Never, of course, mentioning he fought the gag that would have stopped it all.

MO

I agree, good post.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm sure I'm going to be slapped in the face for posting this. But if Caylee didn't look like Jesse Grund as an infant, then I've lost my mind. The eyes set apart, etc. I think/heard, he took a paternity test and it was found he was not the dad. So, they do have his DNA. I don't know why people keep harping about the "sealed" DNA, etc.

Just thought I'd throw it out for discussion, and JMO.

Caylee also looked like JP, and another guy that Casey made a collage of, so that's pretty moot.

[Unperson1984]

I noticed this bit of information when I was re reading the LE interview transcriptions.

Tony L states that he and his room mate were playding video games and Casey was on the couch using the laptop when Amy arrived with Cindy.
Casey then leaves with Cindy and never returns to Tony's.

Lee goes to Tony's later that night to get Casey's things, he tells LE Casey's computer is on the counter plugged in but turned off. he attempts to use it but gets an error screen. He does got some info but says all emails and such prior to that date have been deleted.

Cindy had texted Casey earlier that day about a "Big Problem". Did Cindy have any contact with Casey after that text, did Casey know the jig was up and that is what she was doing at Tony's, deleting her info. Or did Amy contact Casey after she got the initial call from CIndy while she(Amy) was at the mall waiting for CIndy to come get her.

I don't think she could have deleted the info once Cindy arrived, so it had to have been earlier, but why, coincidence in timing or did she have advance notice via Cindy or Amy that the hammer was about to drop. at least with regards to the car and obviously very soon after that "Where is Caylee?'


IIRC Amy was at the mall with friends when Cindy called her, so if not Amy, it's possible that one of the people she was with warned Casey.

[Dunlurken]

Caylee also looked like JP, and another guy that Casey made a collage of, so that's pretty moot.

Okay, thanks. Guess that ends the discussion. I do wonder about Caylee's Dad though, and think it could have some impact on the trial for some reason. (Got my defense attorney hat on today!) LOL. :hat:

[jammies]

I noticed this bit of information when I was re reading the LE interview transcriptions.

Tony L states that he and his room mate were playding video games and Casey was on the couch using the laptop when Amy arrived with Cindy.
Casey then leaves with Cindy and never returns to Tony's.

Lee goes to Tony's later that night to get Casey's things, he tells LE Casey's computer is on the counter plugged in but turned off. he attempts to use it but gets an error screen. He does got some info but says all emails and such prior to that date have been deleted.

Cindy had texted Casey earlier that day about a "Big Problem". Did Cindy have any contact with Casey after that text, did Casey know the jig was up and that is what she was doing at Tony's, deleting her info. Or did Amy contact Casey after she got the initial call from CIndy while she(Amy) was at the mall waiting for CIndy to come get her.

I don't think she could have deleted the info once Cindy arrived, so it had to have been earlier, but why, coincidence in timing or did she have advance notice via Cindy or Amy that the hammer was about to drop. at least with regards to the car and obviously very soon after that "Where is Caylee?'

I always wondered if Amy called her Casey while waiting for Cindy at the Mall. That would have been MY first reaction to the mother of my gf I had never met. Esp. as she had JUST been with Casey and wasn't suspicous of her yet.

[darcie]

IMO...LKB will have an explanation for all. This is just what she does best.

You are right about that one. LKB will explain it all away. Or at least try and give it a shot.

But still, I don't think she will be able to explain away Caylee's remains in the trunk of the car that CASEY was known to drive. The same car that CASEY said ran out of gas.

[happygert]

This statement made on LKL has always rubbed me raw:

Larry King: Do you have any thoughts, Cindy, as to what happened to your granddaughter?

Cindy Anthony: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that I made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that Casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find Caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.

Their focus is on trying to find Caylee so casey can be exonerated????

Here's another on that rubbed me the wrong way to n2n.....casey will spend the rest of her life in jail to "PROTECT CAYLEE"...what was she protecting Caylee from.. Not like she had an abusive father and took and hid her from him...The only frigging person casey was trying to protect was herself from the DP. The only person the A's were trying to protect was casey the murderer from a life in jail or the DP...How stupid do they think everyone is..

[WillowInFlight]

I always wondered if Amy called her Casey while waiting for Cindy at the Mall. That would have been MY first reaction to the mother of my gf I had never met. Esp. as she had JUST been with Casey and wasn't suspicous of her yet.

Wouldn't she have turned around and said to TonE, my mom's on her way, she contacted Amy. Or I wonder if TonE saw a change in Casey right before her mother arrived.

[need2no]

IIRC she did it in April .. To Late to come back on check statement for May.. IT came in June.....

Thank you! Now that you've stated this I do recall something about delay in showing up on statement, but can't remember where I read this, or was it in one of Cindy's interviews with LE?

[ishkabibble]

another point from the LE interviews, Jesse Grund said Casey came by to take a shower at his apartment.

Seeing how the defense is looking at Jesse, his paternity test and knowing how fond he was of Caylee, I wonder if Casey "left" something of Caylee's in Jesse's apartment that day. Casey did tell Cindy that Jesse had not babysat Caylee since she was an infant so why would he have anything of hers there if something is found. Is it possible Casey would attempt to set Jesse up? I don't see her as thinking that much in advance but you never know.

[jammies]

O/T But I want to make sure you all have seen this. One of our regular posters needs our prayers

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12731894&posted=1#post12731894


I missed that, Katie. Thanks for repeating.

[happygert]

I always wondered if Amy called her Casey while waiting for Cindy at the Mall. That would have been MY first reaction to the mother of my gf I had never met. Esp. as she had JUST been with Casey and wasn't suspicous of her yet.

If one of them did call casey or text her it would be on the phone records. But you're right that would be my first call... hey whats up your mom called me she's looking for you why not give her a call...

[kitty1182]

I wonder why KC was not with her family on father's day..it was a celebration day for her father and grandfather and she wasn't with the family till that night if I remember correctly..

Hi sweetpea..I think George worked 2ed shift that day and didn't get off till 11pm...
:wub:

[Dells]

You are right about that one. LKB will explain it all away. Or at least try and give it a shot.

But still, I don't think she will be able to explain away Caylee's remains in the trunk of the car that CASEY was known to drive. The same car that CASEY said ran out of gas.

I am sure the defense will find a way to explain why Caylee's remains were in Casey's truck. They will say the real killers planted the body there for a few days to try to frame Casey. They won't care how ridiculous their theories will be. All they care about is finding the one juror that will believe them.

[WillowInFlight]

A computer/tech expert can tell when stuff was deleted, it's stamped so to speak.
BTW, are there any doc's out of what the experts got (read outs) of the deleted items on casey's pc??????

Also if Lee was there to pick up Casey's stuff, knowing LE was back at the house, Caylee is missing, why is Lee going up on the computer? What exactly was he looking for at a time he should have been home with his family?

[kitty1182]

Okay, thanks. Guess that ends the discussion. I do wonder about Caylee's Dad though, and think it could have some impact on the trial for some reason. (Got my defense attorney hat on today!) LOL. :hat:

Oh, I think the daddy of Caylee is gonna have a big impact on the trial..

[jammies]

Wouldn't she have turned around and said to TonE, my mom's on her way, she contacted Amy. Or I wonder if TonE saw a change in Casey right before her mother arrived.

Maybe she asked Amy not to tell her mom her location??? When Amy hears Cindy's story she realizes the situation and takes her there? She may have finally figured out that Casey had taken that cash while Amy was "sleepwalking"?

[SavannahStar]

Oh, I think the daddy of Caylee is gonna have a big impact on the trial..

I strongly disagree. I'll be surprised if the father of Caylee is even mentioned.

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe she asked Amy not to tell her mom her location??? When Amy hears Cindy's story she realizes the situation and takes her there? She may have finally figured out that Casey had taken that cash while Amy was "sleepwalking"?

:laugh: I had almost forgotten about the "sleepwalking"

[SavannahStar]

If the baby daddy is still alive why hasn't he come forward (unless he doesn't know of course). I sure hope they test JP's DNA against Caylee, as I'd say we'd have a match :)

Why would Caylee's daddy come forward (assuming he knows he is the father)? I cannot think of one good reason, personally.

[kitty1182]

I strongly disagree. I'll be surprised if the father of Caylee is even mentioned.

I think if it will help Casey in the trial, it will be mentioned...

[jammies]

If one of them did call casey or text her it would be on the phone records. But you're right that would be my first call... hey whats up your mom called me she's looking for you why not give her a call...

You're right about the phone records. Just bizarre that Amy would meet with Cindy, actually get in her car (stranger), etc. w/o checking with Casey first.

[kitty1182]

Thanks for keepin me straight sissy..:wub:
Hope you are feelin better..specially since you stayed up so late to watch the ficticious interview on GR Sat. night..I know you could have just spit..



I sure could have:mad:

[Dells]

I think if it will help Casey in the trial, it will be mentioned...

I can most definitely see the defense bringing it up, trying to pin the blame of Caylee's murder on him. :sneaky:

[need2no]

Here's another on that rubbed me the wrong way to n2n.....casey will spend the rest of her life in jail to "PROTECT CAYLEE"...what was she protecting Caylee from.. Not like she had an abusive father and took and hid her from him...The only frigging person casey was trying to protect was herself from the DP. The only person the A's were trying to protect was casey the murderer from a life in jail or the DP...How stupid do they think everyone is..

ITA it's quite clear the only one casey is concerned about is herself! Just like when casey pointed out the reward money was 1/2 of what she needed to get out of jail.

Everytime I hear casey's statement about she would lie, steal or do whatever to find Caylee it cracks me up.....she makes it sound like that would be a big deal, something out of the oridinary, a stretch for her, a sacrifice for her beloved daughter...when in fact that's nothing more than continuing her normal lifestyle.

[jammies]

ITA it's quite clear the only one casey is concerned about is herself! Just like when casey pointed out the reward money was 1/2 of what she needed to get out of jail.

Everytime I hear casey's statement about she would lie, steal or do whatever to find Caylee it cracks me up.....she makes it sound like that would be a big deal, something out of the oridinary, a stretch for her, a sacrifice for her beloved daughter...when in fact that's nothing more than continuing her normal lifestyle.



It sounded like something she's memorized from a tv show.

[WillowInFlight]

I can most definitely see the defense bringing it up, trying to pin the blame of Caylee's murder on him. :sneaky:

:ohmy: I'm just not sold yet.

[Jeepers]

You're right about the phone records. Just bizarre that Amy would meet with Cindy, actually get in her car (stranger), etc. w/o checking with Casey first.

I think Amy was so mad at Casey maybe she thought Cindy would have helped her get her cash back. Well, we know what happened to approx. $200.00 of it.

[kitty1182]

I can most definitely see the defense bringing it up, trying to pin the blame of Caylee's murder on him. :sneaky:

I think JB will use who the daddy is for the reason Casey killed her..
imo

[aubrey04]

I am just getting here. I did a search of posts and read that Geraldo had a canned interview with Cindy from July.. I thought he was promoting a new interview with Cindy, but apparently I was mistaken. I didn't think Cindy would show up for an interview anyway.

jmo.

[WillowInFlight]

ITA it's quite clear the only one casey is concerned about is herself! Just like when casey pointed out the reward money was 1/2 of what she needed to get out of jail.

Everytime I hear casey's statement about she would lie, steal or do whatever to find Caylee it cracks me up.....she makes it sound like that would be a big deal, something out of the oridinary, a stretch for her, a sacrifice for her beloved daughter...when in fact that's nothing more than continuing her normal lifestyle.

And if you noticed, there was NO feeling behind her statement at all. She couldn't even try to sound convincing. IMO

[jammies]

I think Amy was so mad at Casey maybe she thought Cindy would have helped her get her cash back. Well, we know what happened to approx. $200.00 of it.


But at the time she didn't know Casey took it. She has just come back from her trip to PR and had loaned Casey her car. Not the actions of a person that was suspicious. Maybe Cindy did a REALLY bang up job convincing her on the phone?

[WillowInFlight]

I think Amy was so mad at Casey maybe she thought Cindy would have helped her get her cash back. Well, we know what happened to approx. $200.00 of it.

ABSOLUTELY. :sneaky:

[Dells]

ITA it's quite clear the only one casey is concerned about is herself! Just like when casey pointed out the reward money was 1/2 of what she needed to get out of jail.

Everytime I hear casey's statement about she would lie, steal or do whatever to find Caylee it cracks me up.....she makes it sound like that would be a big deal, something out of the oridinary, a stretch for her, a sacrifice for her beloved daughter...when in fact that's nothing more than continuing her normal lifestyle.

Bolding is mine....

What Casey really meant was that she would lie, steal, and cheat to save her own skin from jail.:sneaky:

[kitty1182]

Bolding is mine....

What Casey really meant was that she would lie, steal, and cheat to save her own skin from jail.:sneaky:

Yes indeed....

[aubrey04]

But at the time she didn't know Casey took it. She has just come back from her trip to PR and had loaned Casey her car. Not the actions of a person that was suspicious. Maybe Cindy did a REALLY bang up job convincing her on the phone?

Well, in the car - didn't Cindy tell Amy that Casey was a thief, habitual liar and sociopath? Maybe she said something like that on the phone too?

Whatever the case - Cindy must have really convinced Amy because Amy didn't call and warn Casey that they were coming.. In fact, in her interview - Amy says that she told Cindy to stand in the corner out of view while she knocked on Tony's door because she thought Casey wouldn't come to the door if she saw Cindy standing there.

[steffaroob4]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?

[need2no]

And if you noticed, there was NO feeling behind her statement at all. She couldn't even try to sound convincing. IMO

Nope, she just rattled off something to make herself sound as if she cared, and then repeated this stupid statement to George and Cindy at the 08/14 jail visit. I wonder if they were thinking...lie, steal, oh yeah that's our casey alright.

[WillowInFlight]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?

sure looks like it

[kitty1182]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?



I think so...

[desmom]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?


I vote yes.

[need2no]

Well, in the car - didn't Cindy tell Amy that Casey was a thief, habitual liar and sociopath? Maybe she said something like that on the phone too?

Whatever the case - Cindy must have really convinced Amy because Amy didn't call and warn Casey that they were coming.. In fact, in her interview - Amy says that she told Cindy to stand in the corner out of view while she knocked on Tony's door because she thought Casey wouldn't come to the door if she saw Cindy standing there.

IIRC Amy said Cindy told her she had to find casey, or casey was going to be in a lot of trouble.

[cassidy]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?

Looks like they are.

[Neffy]

I think Amy was so mad at Casey maybe she thought Cindy would have helped her get her cash back. Well, we know what happened to approx. $200.00 of it.

OMG that was just obscene for Cindy to do. Your grand daughter is missing, you have a stench in the car in your drive way of a dead body and then you stumble on MONEY and SNATCH!

[steffaroob4]

I think so...

Thanks, they look the same to me and they sure look like they have doll clothes on them. I think I am starting to understand why doll clothes was on the search warrent.

[bchand]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?

It may be the same doll but the clothes seems to be different. The sleeves are short in the one photo and long in the second.

[need2no]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?


No hair, pink outfit in both...seems to be the same doll even though you can't see much in the 2nd pic, imo.

[Neffy]

Thanks, they look the same to me and they sure look like they have doll clothes on them. I think I am starting to understand why doll clothes was on the search warrent.


If your saying the doll clothes look different I agree. Although both pink outfits one looks long sleeved the other pic you see the babies arms.

[steffaroob4]

It may be the same doll but the clothes seems to be different. The sleeves are short in the one photo and long in the second.

Do you remember when CA spoke about the doll not having clothes on it? Was that a question a reporter asked or did she volunteer the information on her own?

[need2no]

It may be the same doll but the clothes seems to be different. The sleeves are short in the one photo and long in the second.

Very good bchand. I would imagine the doll had a nice wardrobe, like Caylee.

[cassidy]

Thanks, they look the same to me and they sure look like they have doll clothes on them. I think I am starting to understand why doll clothes was on the search warrent.

I din't know there were doll cloths on the search warrant. Didn't think much of a nekkid doll baby, my granddaughter's dolls are in a constant state of undress.

[scillak]

You're right about the phone records. Just bizarre that Amy would meet with Cindy, actually get in her car (stranger), etc. w/o checking with Casey first.

When I read Amy's interview, I could see why she said "yes" to allowing Cindy to come and get her. Amy described Cindy as sounding distraught in a way that she (Amy) recognized as being the emotion of a very frightened, concerned parent.

[mdibella]

This statement made on LKL has always rubbed me raw:

Larry King: Do you have any thoughts, Cindy, as to what happened to your granddaughter?

Cindy Anthony: My thoughts are a lot clearer now than they were that night that I made three 911 calls. I'm very confident that Casey will be exonerated of all charges once we find Caylee, so that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter.

Their focus is on trying to find Caylee so casey can be exonerated????


hmmmm I would read it as, they weren't wasting any time thinking about Casey because finding Caylee (alive of course) would automatically solve Casey's problem.

[steffaroob4]

Very good bchand. I would imagine the doll had a nice wardrobe, like Caylee.

I bet you are right, I bet she had several oufits for that doll, I wonder how many other pictures of that doll LE has with clothes on.
I wonder which outfit they found at the scene.

Why would Casey put the clothes for the doll in the bag and not the whole doll?????
Who do you think bought the doll for Caylee?

[aubrey04]

Anyone know who these people are in this picture of Casey?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38989379@N00/3193752273/in/photostream/

[jammies]

IIRC Amy said Cindy told her she had to find casey, or casey was going to be in a lot of trouble.



Yes, and that's my point. She was taking Cindy's word for it and actually waited for her at the mall and DIDN'T call Casey. I just find that odd. No biggie, just one of those little things that bug me!

Cindy had to have begged Amy NOT to call and warn Casey. At that point Cindy must have figured Casey would RUN.

[Peter]

I'd like to know too, since it did nothing but reaffirm what we feel for Cindy, and it just seems odd, after we have seen GR budding up to Baez.


This is why it makes sense Biaz fought for no gag. I think the "doc dumps" would continue even with the gag. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

On another note...LKB will tear at the forensics of the trunk... the .0000001% that it could be something other than decomp.

I was thinking about this: What if Casey was found not guilty? What in the hell is she going to do with her life? Is Cindy going to control Casey's every move? If Cindy could just think past her nose for a minuite...Does she really want Casey around? Just food for thought...

[kitty1182]

Anyone know who these people are in this picture of Casey?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38989379@N00/3193752273/in/photostream/

I don't remember who they are, but that sure is one BIG cup of beer Casey is holding..

[mdibella]

I've wondered early on if the defense will use Cindy's abrasive, unlikeable, public outbursts as a means to illicit sympathy from prospective jurors in Casey's trial.

She (Casey) clearly comes from a dysfunctional family. That's not an excuse for murder but it could effect the outcome of the severity of the sentence if she is found guilty.

I know nothing about Florida law, but assuming a guilty verdict, is there any option other than life without parole? The Prosecutor is not seeking the death penalty, after all.

I can't help wondering what penalty she could get if she pled out. I'd think something along the lines of 25-to-life, which would give her a chance at freedom when she's 47. The Prosecutor has a great case here, sure, but they'd also save Florida a lot of money if they pled out and avoided a trial. That's a real consideration nowadays, no?

Of course, none of us has any way of knowing what's going on behind the scenes, but if Baez is not at least *looking* at this option, I would say he's commiting some serious malpractice. He can't possibly be telling Casey that she has a snowball's chance at walking away from this.

[summer4meplz]

I think Amy was so mad at Casey maybe she thought Cindy would have helped her get her cash back. Well, we know what happened to approx. $200.00 of it.


good morning all....no new news yet about george I take it....

I don't think Amy was mad at casey at this point was she?

and didn't casey send amy a text around 5ish replying to a text she received from Amy..??? something about her mom....might have been code talk.....

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks, they look the same to me and they sure look like they have doll clothes on them. I think I am starting to understand why doll clothes was on the search warrent.

Do you launder greys and pinks in the same load?

[bchand]

Do you remember when CA spoke about the doll not having clothes on it? Was that a question a reporter asked or did she volunteer the information on her own?


I'm not sure steff. I do remember hearing about them finding a clothless doll in the car. I'll look around in my bookmarks.

[summer4meplz]

I am just getting here. I did a search of posts and read that Geraldo had a canned interview with Cindy from July.. I thought he was promoting a new interview with Cindy, but apparently I was mistaken. I didn't think Cindy would show up for an interview anyway.

jmo.


you weren't mistaken...geraldo's advertisement was a big fat lie and a huge waste of time.....

[Dells]

I don't remember who they are, but that sure is one BIG cup of beer Casey is holding..

:laugh: I was thinking the same thing.

[summer4meplz]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?


is that Momma?

[steffaroob4]

Do you launder greys and pinks in the same load?

Only if I am busy and the pink and greys are old.

[WillowInFlight]

you weren't mistaken...geraldo's advertisement was a big fat lie and a huge waste of time.....

And we fell for it AGAIN! :w00t:

[steffaroob4]

is that Momma?

I believe it is.

[scillak]

Yes, and that's my point. She was taking Cindy's word for it and actually waited for her at the mall and DIDN'T call Casey. I just find that odd. No biggie, just one of those little things that bug me!

Cindy had to have begged Amy NOT to call and warn Casey. At that point Cindy must have figured Casey would RUN.

Amy also had been wanting to meet Casey's parents because Amy thought that she and Casey were going to get a place together. First it was supposed to be the Anthony home itself (Casey lied to Amy in saying that Cindy and George were moving out).

[smileyjoe]

Yes, and that's my point. She was taking Cindy's word for it and actually waited for her at the mall and DIDN'T call Casey. I just find that odd. No biggie, just one of those little things that bug me!

Cindy had to have begged Amy NOT to call and warn Casey. At that point Cindy must have figured Casey would RUN.

Well sure she did. KC ran from the club the night Lee called her and told her to stay there he was coming over.

Joe.

[need2no]

hmmmm I would read it as, they weren't wasting any time thinking about Casey because finding Caylee (alive of course) would automatically solve Casey's problem.

Of course there are a number of ways one can interpret this statement, but I don't see anything in the statement that indicates they aren't wasting any time thinking about casey, to the contrary they are concerned with freeing her of guilt, and her being blamed.

And I still find it an odd statement...."that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter."

If casey had not been charged and arrested....would they still have been focusing on trying to find their granddaughter?

[Texas48]

She said she had seen an obit but didn't remember his name; however, did she not tell someone - maybe GVS - where he lived? She supposedly went to an atty to clear custody. I thought there had been two names bandied about. Not that it matters at this point, but she was lying to GR. The only way Cindy could have HAD ANY names of the father of Caylee was if KC told her. Now you can take whatever KC says w/grain of salt. And would she have actually told Cindy the TRUTH? I did not think one had to seek an attorney just to clear custody...that is if the father never came forward...KC never said who is was..and the birth cert. name was Anthony. Maybe she did get advise from attorney..who knows for sure???

[jammies]

Amy also had been wanting to meet Casey's parents because Amy thought that she and Casey were going to get a place together. First it was supposed to be the Anthony home itself (Casey lied to Amy in saying that Cindy and George were moving out).

heh, well..........she finally met them!

[jammies]

Well sure she did. KC ran from the club the night Lee called her and told her to stay there he was coming over.

Joe.

That's another story I'd like to know more about.

[VC2]

ITA!!...She's says I don't want to loose "both of my children" then pauses and corrects herself...She knew she'd done lost Caylee...Then she starts spinning I know where casey is she's safe.... Safe from what? The imaginary nanny? .......

ummm caylee WAS lost, dead or alive cindy had no idea where she was and also would be naturally afraid she wouldn't be found. I find nothing to read into that comment.

this parsing of every word she says is beyond me i guess. i just don't see anything sinister in a lot of it.

imo

[Peter]

Anyone know who these people are in this picture of Casey?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38989379@N00/3193752273/in/photostream/


The guy is Sean Daly.

[scillak]

Of course there are a number of ways one can interpret this statement, but I don't see anything in the statement that indicates they aren't wasting any time thinking about casey, to the contrary they are concerned with freeing her of guilt, and her being blamed.

And I still find it an odd statement...."that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter."

If casey had not been charged and arrested....would they still have been focusing on trying to find their granddaughter?

Sure they would have. I don't think Cindy's wording there was the best, but I think she just misspoke cause and effect there. There are a lot of things that Cindy has said that are pretty out-there, but I don't find this sentence to be particularly telling.

[SavannahStar]

pic one (http://a4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/12/l_f4b1eee3d81350b1563b8760dc531b0b.jpg)
pic two (http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/58/l_79c3388c44904a90a5895ea1f9a21d3a.jpg)
Are these both the same doll?


Can't tell. Since face is not showing in one of the pics. Sleeves are different.

[smileyjoe]

That's another story I'd like to know more about.

I bet her "friends" look back at that now and say OOOOOOoooooo. I see.

Joe.

[Dells]

heh, well..........she finally met them!

True!:laugh:

[happygert]

If the baby daddy is still alive why hasn't he come forward (unless he doesn't know of course). I sure hope they test JP's DNA against Caylee, as I'd say we'd have a match :)

and MH.. IMO she don't know who Caylee's daddy is... too many different guys...

[mdibella]

Of course there are a number of ways one can interpret this statement, but I don't see anything in the statement that indicates they aren't wasting any time thinking about casey, to the contrary they are concerned with freeing her of guilt, and her being blamed.

And I still find it an odd statement...."that's why our focus is on trying to find our granddaughter."

If casey had not been charged and arrested....would they still have been focusing on trying to find their granddaughter?


Absolutely they would have. You may not think much of Cindy and George Anthony, but regardless of their actions and mistakes, I would have a hard time believing they didn't love Caylee.

I have seen the videos and I think that one big reason we are all so touched by this case is that those videos were so obviously filmed by someone who adored that child. The love is palpable.

And when Caylee looks up at the camera, it is clear that the love went two ways.

Cindy and George may have made some mistakes but they paid an awful price. Caylee paid too, of course, but Caylee has gone to a better place. George and Cindy will spend the rest of their lives in hell.

[steffaroob4]

Do we think there were doll clothes in the bag with Caylee?


Why the doll clothes left in the bag with Caylee and not the doll?

Could LE have tested the momma doll and found something interesting that they want to get the clothes that go with her?

I don't know that warrent was pretty specific about things found at the site, I am leaning towards the idea that there may have been doll clothes with Caylee.

[VC2]

Only if I am busy and the pink and greys are old.

umm i didn't think you had to separate colors anymore given all the new detergents that stop them leaking. :blushing: unless of course it is a pure cotton that says do not wash, i wash those cold separately with woolite.