Feb.1 Part II

[kitty1182]

I didn't catch that Lindsay. Anyone else?

Looked like someone hit her..imo

[Oregongal]

Oh I know. I think she's a narcissist too.

Main article: Narcissistic personality disorder

Lack of empathy is a hallmark of narcissistic disorders, and sufferers find it extremely difficult to understand others' (and their own) emotional states and impact. This makes maintaining close or intimate relationships significantly harder. They may find it difficult to perceive or admit this, or may interpret it as a virtue.[citation needed]

It is also worth noting that the individual expressions of grandiosity or arrogance vary with the person's value system. A person will generally attempt to display superiority as they define it.[citation needed]

* Overreacts to criticism, becoming angry or humiliated
* Uses others to reach goals
* Exaggerates own importance
* Entertains unrealistic fantasies about achievements, power, beauty, intelligence or romance
* Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
* Seeks constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
* Is easily jealous [12]
* Has a sense of extreme entitlement
* Is exploitative of others
* Lacks empathy
* Displays arrogant, haughty and proud behaviour.
* Uses denial mechanism to downplay own inadequacies or failings
* Uses rationalization mechanism to justify self-centered behavior

Sure sounds like Cindy IMO.

[Lavenia]

Yup. At Holiday In Express, your patient might actually ~live~. At least long enough to pay you for your efforts.

:biggrin:

Mine make good money with their post-surgery circus money. :wink:

I guess I'll lay off complaining to Gerry Rivers about his bait and switch BS he had on tonight. They've already told me I could watch someone else, LOL.

[rj1212]

Didn't have a clue you were lurking.....but hi, how you doing? I did apologize if your statements were "light sarcasm".......you are the only one that truly knows if that is the truth or not.

But my apology is sincere, if that is in case the fact.

Oh, I know that it was the truth and I hope you'd that it was the truth.

No apology is needed...

We're just posting our thoughts.

[*Serenity*]

The documents, which were made public on Wednesday, include reports on police interviews with a former boyfriend of the girl's mother, 22-year-old Casey Anthony, who is charged with killing the toddler.

The former boyfriend, Ricardo Morales, told investigators that Anthony had joked about giving Caylee baby medicine to put her to sleep,


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481726,00.html

[kitty1182]

Not that I'll get a response or anything, but goodnight everyone.

Thanks for all of the responses.to my comments.. zero.... as usual.

Have a good night all of you.

Good night..I haven't seen your posts..I've been off and on since 10pm...
When I come back the pages are longer and I don't ever pick up where I left off..lol

[101Spots]

Not that I'll get a response or anything, but goodnight everyone.

Thanks for all of the responses.to my comments.. zero.... as usual.

Have a good night all of you.


FWIW, good night!

[bchand]

Not that I'll get a response or anything, but goodnight everyone.

Thanks for all of the responses.to my comments.. zero.... as usual.

Have a good night all of you.

Hey Stormy - have a good night !

[beetlebrow]

I agree to a point.....but the judge did say in his motion to deny the TES information that Baez's argument was logical, but didn't have the necessary support to legally rule in Baez's favor.

Judge Strickland is trying to be as nice as possible with Jose.....almost like u would with a 5 yr old.....I honestly think he feels sorry for him. There is no evidence (not even a shred) that TES is in ANY way connected to this crime so naturally there is no way it could ever have the necessary support.

Judge Strickland is such a patient man......I don't know how he manages :biggrin:

[Lindsey]

Looked like someone hit her..imo

It really did to me. Hubby noticed it before I did and commented on it.

[Neffy]

And they just don't understand why we find them repulsive (heavily paraphrased). Per Conway.

I've read a couple of posters commenting on this. Was this in an interview? If anyone has a link I'd like to see it or if anyone can remember the date and media outlet I can look it up. TIA!

[kitty1182]

It really did to me. Hubby noticed it before I did and commented on it.

It was the first thing I noticed..lol

[*Serenity*]

Not that I'll get a response or anything, but goodnight everyone.

Thanks for all of the responses.to my comments.. zero.... as usual.

Have a good night all of you.


Sweet Dreams.....
I read/lurk more than I ever post so I miss out responding to everyone.

[Oregongal]

Not that I'll get a response or anything, but goodnight everyone.

Thanks for all of the responses.to my comments.. zero.... as usual.

Have a good night all of you.

Good night Stormy, sleep well.
Don't take it personal if you get no responses, I learned that long ago.
There are days that I post and post and no one responds, then there are days I respond and everyone responds.
It's not you, it just the way of the message boards.
Tomorrow is another day and you may be deluged with responses.
As I said, don't take it personal darlin.
:wub:

[kitty1182]

Good night Stormy, sleep well.
Don't take it personal if you get no responses, I learned that long ago.
There are days that I post and post and no one responds, then there are days I respond and everyone responds.
It's not you, it just the way of the message boards.
Tomorrow is another day and you may be deluged with responses.
As I said, don't take it personal darlin.
:wub:

This is true..I've been here for several years and still a lot of times I don't get responses back..lol
Things go so fast on here...

[beetlebrow]

Oh I know. I think she's a narcissist too.

Main article: Narcissistic personality disorder

Lack of empathy is a hallmark of narcissistic disorders, and sufferers find it extremely difficult to understand others' (and their own) emotional states and impact. This makes maintaining close or intimate relationships significantly harder. They may find it difficult to perceive or admit this, or may interpret it as a virtue.[citation needed]

It is also worth noting that the individual expressions of grandiosity or arrogance vary with the person's value system. A person will generally attempt to display superiority as they define it.[citation needed]

* Overreacts to criticism, becoming angry or humiliated
* Uses others to reach goals
* Exaggerates own importance
* Entertains unrealistic fantasies about achievements, power, beauty, intelligence or romance
* Has unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
* Seeks constant attention and positive reinforcement from others
* Is easily jealous [12]
* Has a sense of extreme entitlement
* Is exploitative of others
* Lacks empathy
* Displays arrogant, haughty and proud behaviour.
* Uses denial mechanism to downplay own inadequacies or failings
* Uses rationalization mechanism to justify self-centered behavior

Scary isn't it!!!

Really I think all these apply to Casey.

I think Cindy does have compassion, empathy and I think she could care less about positive reinforcement.....(although complimenting her probably is the only way to get a word in edgewise...gets her flustered)...but she does not seek it constantly like Casey.

Kind of in the same catagory but not quite the same...IMO

[WhiteShark]

She does have a fathers obit... she just didn't say whose father's obit she has.

And remember, casey had told some Caylee was from a one night stand with someone in the military. Lo and behold, we learn casey talking with a soldier in CA, and was supposedly planning a trip out to see him. She also said she had something to tell him, and didn't know how he would take it...........remember. Then casey runs into this soldier's Mom in Target, on one of her jaunts spendiing Amy's money----the mother even knew casey was claiming to have a story to tell her son, and she didn't know how he would take it.
If Caylee's father does turn out to be alive and I were him, I would make her life hell for keeping me away from my beautiful daughter. But say Caylee's father is dead, BUT there are paternal grandparents out there who had every right to be with Caylee. They should give casey and the A's a big unpleasant courtroom payback.
Sadly, I would not put it past cindy and casey to have made a deal with the devil and thus they came up with all the stories of paternity, all outrageous. Probably because casey did not want to deal another older lady she would have to answer to about her daughter, and cindy was all to obliging to go along with this because it meant she could have the child all to herself, and not worry about another entire family have claim to Caylee

[rj1212]

This is true..I've been here for several years and still a lot of times I don't get responses back..lol
Things go so fast on here...

True...

There have been times when the board's been moving very fast and then I'll comment on something and suddenly the board seems to come to a standstill for about 5 minutes and then I'll get no responses either.

It happens...

Goodnight Stormy.

[Lavenia]

Not that I'll get a response or anything, but goodnight everyone.

Thanks for all of the responses.to my comments.. zero.... as usual.

Have a good night all of you.

Ack, Stormy, this has been a hard night for me to follow people. Multi-tasking and general discombobulation. I'm sorry I didn't see your posts but I have enjoyed your posts in the past.

Have a good night.

[legalmania]

In some jurisdictions a evidentiary hearing is not done when a grand jury has indicted. JMO

You know it's been so long since I did criminal, I forgot the rules I switched to civil. Even though there is nothing civil about civil law. Civil is so much easier to me.

[5boxersmom]

Good Night Stormy. It happens to us all one time or another. :biggrin:

Does anyone think we will get some new docs soon?

[Lavenia]

I spend entire days posting with no response, lol.

Which says a whole lot more about my need to get a life than anything else. :unsure:

You better stay on here and share my lack of life with me. :wink:

[Lapis]

You know it's been so long since I did criminal, I forgot the rules I switched to civil. Even though there is nothing civil about civil law. Civil is so much easier to me.

The stakes are certainly lower. Its only money after all and usually the client's money. LOL

[beetlebrow]

Not that I'll get a response or anything, but goodnight everyone.

Thanks for all of the responses.to my comments.. zero.... as usual.

Have a good night all of you.


:huh::huh:......usually dosent stop me......I just go right on talking.......:tonguewag:

But when I see u again I will respond!!!!!......I promise!!!!

[*Serenity*]

And remember, casey had told some Caylee was from a one night stand with someone in the military. Lo and behold, we learn casey talking with a soldier in CA, and was supposedly planning a trip out to see him. She also said she had something to tell him, and didn't know how he would take it...........remember. Then casey runs into this soldier's Mom in Target, on one of her jaunts spendiing Amy's money----the mother even knew casey was claiming to have a story to tell her son, and she didn't know how he would take it.
If Caylee's father does turn out to be alive and I were him, I would make her life hell for keeping me away from my beautiful daughter. But say Caylee's father is dead, BUT there are paternal grandparents out there who had every right to be with Caylee. They should give casey and the A's a big unpleasant courtroom payback.
Sadly, I would not put it past cindy and casey to have made a deal with the devil and thus they came up with all the stories of paternity, all outrageous. Probably because casey did not want to deal another older lady she would have to answer to about her daughter, and cindy was all to obliging to go along with this because it meant she could have the child all to herself, and not worry about another entire family have claim to Caylee

Oh yea.... I truly believe Caylee's father is alive and well. I think Casey has it narrowed down to who it could possibly be... and Jessie was one of them.. just not the right one. Cindy's mantra: he is not on the birth certificate!

[ruth66]

I spend entire days posting with no response, lol.

Which says a whole lot more about my need to get a life than anything else. :unsure:


ditto, I keep telling myself to get up and walk away but something always pulls me back. The sad thing is that It took 6 mos. to find CAYLEE and I sat behind this keyboard all six months and am still here. There has to be therapy for this.

Good Night all, I have tivo'd GR and am going to go watch it...

[legalmania]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481726,00.html

Do you have to have some kind of special license to get chloroform? Would there be some kind of paper trail?

[*Serenity*]

Do you have to have some kind of special license to get chloroform? Would there be some kind of paper trail?

Nancy Grace and her team was able to go right online and complete the order with nothing specail required to obtain it!! She did that way back when the chloroform was discovered in the car. I think a few other posters here were able to get all the way through on the order form as well.

I totally missed the documents where Ricardo had stated Casey joked about giving Caylee medicine to put her to sleep. I just bumped into that while surfing.

[beetlebrow]

Ack, Stormy, this has been a hard night for me to follow people. Multi-tasking and general discombobulation. I'm sorry I didn't see your posts but I have enjoyed your posts in the past.

Have a good night.

WOW Lavenia!!!!.......I NEVER would have been able to spell Dis......that word.......:thumbsup: you rock!!!

[legalmania]

The stakes are certainly lower. Its only money after all and usually the client's money. LOL

I still got threats though, people would say they were going to kill me at times, it got pretty hairy. It was always fun getting on the same elevator with the people. I like class action suits that way it's not so one on one.

[need2no]

It was the first thing I noticed..lol

I think the mark or whatever on Cindy's face looked similiar to this mark on George's face.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-georgewithscraponface.jpg

[MrsHudson]

Night all!

Hope everyone has a good week.

[*Serenity*]

I still got threats though, people would say they were going to kill me at times, it got pretty hairy. It was always fun getting on the same elevator with the people. I like class action suits that way it's not so one on one.


Sounds about as lovely as riding on an elevator with a flaming Cindy.

:chicken:

[beetlebrow]

I still got threats though, people would say they were going to kill me at times, it got pretty hairy. It was always fun getting on the same elevator with the people. I like class action suits that way it's not so one on one.

But then alot of people want to kill you :w00t:......sry I had a couple glasses of wine during the super bowl.....can ya tell :biggrin:

[legalmania]

Nancy Grace and her team was able to go right online and complete the order with nothing specail required to obtain it!! She did that way back when the chloroform was discovered in the car. I think a few other posters here were able to get all the way through on the order form as well.

I totally missed the documents where Ricardo had stated Casey joked about giving Caylee medicine to put her to sleep. I just bumped into that while surfing.

Wow what country did she get it from did she say? I know that when you get something from another country you have to fill out a special form from U.P.S. and you have to put what's in the box.

[Oregongal]

Good Night Stormy. It happens to us all one time or another. :biggrin:

Does anyone think we will get some new docs soon?

Oh, oh, boxer, you triggered my memory. Awhile back I posted there was something I forgot....with your mention of docs, I remembered.
When we get these doc dumps, doesn't that mean they have been released as discovery to the defense?
Now, if that is true, doesn't that mean that Baez received these docs before we did?
And if he did, why would he say he received the info about the duct tape et al, from the media and not from LE? That LE was holding back these discovery items from him yet releasing them to the media.
Am I wrong in my interpretation of the Sunshine Laws and the process? Or did Baez tell and out and out lie in court on Friday?

[Lapis]

I still got threats though, people would say they were going to kill me at times, it got pretty hairy. It was always fun getting on the same elevator with the people. I like class action suits that way it's not so one on one.

As the saying goes this would be a great business if it wasn't for the clients. LOL

[legalmania]

But then alot of people want to kill you :w00t:......sry I had a couple glasses of wine during the super bowl.....can ya tell :biggrin:

Gee thanks, it's always comforting to know people want to kill me.

[need2no]

Good point, OG. When I get responses, I start humming, "I'm in with the IN CROWD. I'm in with the in crowd nowwww..." :biggrin:



LOL...that's funny Pooh.

[*Serenity*]

Wow what country did she get it from did she say? I know that when you get something from another country you have to fill out a special form from U.P.S. and you have to put what's in the box.
United States if I recall correctly and also a few posters here went through some sites and made it all the way to checkout.

[beetlebrow]

Oh, oh, boxer, you triggered my memory. Awhile back I posted there was something I forgot....with your mention of docs, I remembered.
When we get these doc dumps, doesn't that mean they have been released as discovery to the defense?
Now, if that is true, doesn't that mean that Baez received these docs before we did?
And if he did, why would he say he received the info about the duct tape et al, from the media and not from LE? That LE was holding back these discovery items from him yet releasing them to the media.
Am I wrong in my interpretation of the Sunshine Laws and the process? Or did Baez tell and out and out lie in court on Friday?

YUP......YUP.......and YUP........:smile:

[Neffy]

I've been looking on youtube, but I can't find it.

Tx Annie, I've been looking to and like usual I'll be looking for something else when I'll happen on to this.

He's a good actor and I'd just like to see his "act" on this one.

[legalmania]

As the saying goes this would be a great business if it wasn't for the clients. LOL

Well I love those clients % of the lawsuit.

[Lapis]

United States if I recall correctly and also a few posters here went through some sites and made it all the way to checkout.

Just imagine those companies who thought they were getting all those sales. LOL

[Oregongal]

Good point, OG. When I get responses, I start humming, "I'm in with the IN CROWD. I'm in with the in crowd nowwww..." :biggrin:

I know how you feel Annie. :biggrin:
You are in my in crowd however, even if I miss some of your posts.
:wink:

[beetlebrow]

Gee thanks, it's always comforting to know people want to kill me.

Some people have no purpose in life.....but not u :thumbsup:

[Lapis]

Well I love those clients % of the lawsuit.

At least until the fees get paid. LOL

[legalmania]

United States if I recall correctly and also a few posters here went through some sites and made it all the way to checkout.

That's crazy and there's no paper trail? I'm to chicken to try with my luck I'll get caught and they'll make an example of me.

[*Serenity*]

Trapped on an elevator with Cindy. Thanks, Serenity. I won't sleep for a week. :angry:


Rather frightening .. hey??? sorry

That would be a nightmare, not even classified as a bad dream....

[Oregongal]

ditto, I keep telling myself to get up and walk away but something always pulls me back. The sad thing is that It took 6 mos. to find CAYLEE and I sat behind this keyboard all six months and am still here. There has to be therapy for this.

Good Night all, I have tivo'd GR and am going to go watch it...

Good night ruth, sleep well.
See you tomorrow.
:seeya:

[beetlebrow]

OK now that song is stuck in my head (in crowd)......who does that song???

[*Serenity*]

That's crazy and there's no paper trail? I'm to chicken to try with my luck I'll get caught and they'll make an example of me.

I can try to search youtube for the NG show when they went through the process. AND no I am not about to try it.... no way no how....!!

[legalmania]

Some people have no purpose in life.....but not u :thumbsup:

Oh ya what is my purpose? I forget.

[beetlebrow]

I can try to search youtube for the NG show when they went through the process. AND no I am not about to try it.... no way no how....!!

Apparently its not that hard to make either....maybe thats why you can buy it?

[beetlebrow]

Oh ya what is my purpose? I forget.

Ugh!!!!!......now I have to kill you :cursing: :tonguewag:

[Oregongal]

Do you have to have some kind of special license to get chloroform? Would there be some kind of paper trail?

IIRC legal, way back on NG, one of her producers went on line and actually ordered chloroform and needed nothing but a credit card number.
No special license needed.
There are those sites which tell you how to make your own so there wouldn't be any paper trail.
If perchance Casey did buy some, there most likely is a record and LE has found it and it keeping it under wraps for now.

[legalmania]

At least until the fees get paid. LOL

My favorite word was settle, in our favor of course.

[*Serenity*]

SO have any of you heard or read about that statement from Ricardo....when he stated Casey joked about putting Caylee to sleep with medicine?

I read here everyday and follow this case closely and this is the first I have heard/read about this. This totally xplains Caylee sleeping through all of those parties!! AND spending time with (nanny--trunk of the car)

[Lavenia]

WOW Lavenia!!!!.......I NEVER would have been able to spell Dis......that word.......:thumbsup: you rock!!!

:laugh: Lucky guess, for my addled brain!

Goodnight all! I'm sure we will have an eventful week!

[WhiteShark]

Having never read a paternity DNA report I don't know what information is contained therein. Perhaps someone can enlighten us. If it shows a profile they may be trying to use that to somehow trace back to Jesse. I don't think they have a reason to request a sample. I'm not sure it has anything to do with paternity. That's my best guess. We are in the dark about their strategy. JMO


On that same path, I think they want to test all evidence to date for Jesse's prints and DNA. For some reason they have decided this boy had something to do with Caylee's death/abduction and the cover-up. Both casey and cindy thought he was "too" close the Caylee,[even after a DNA test he had performed himself --which excluded him 99.9%]n showed not to be the father. Jesse says he loved casey and really loved Caylee because for months since her birth, he thought she was his daughter. Jesse also says casey became jealous of his and Caylee's relationship, so she broke the engagement off. Cindy didn't like him because he would stand up to her, and that is so totally against her rules.
Part of the SODDI defense is gonna be Jesse, and since the don't have anything to come in the front door, they are trying to come in the back door. To bad he already passed a FBI poly. I just think this is one of the crazy parts of this defense.

[Oregongal]

Night all!

Hope everyone has a good week.

Good night MrsH., sleep well. You have a good week as well.

[Lavenia]

Twist my arm? :wub:

it's a done deal! :wub:

[AbbyNormal]

I live with four men in different stages of testosterone development, and I can tell you this is true. :w00t:We call it testosterone poisoning around here :biggrin:

[*Serenity*]

Apparently its not that hard to make either....maybe thats why you can buy it?


I remember a poster copy/paste the recipe here way back and it sounded like you had to use a lot of ice or bad things could happen.
I just couldn't even try to make it... I can barely cook!!

[beetlebrow]

I remember looking up the process...ingredients are simple, few and easily obtained. I believe you have to keep the mixture at a low temp. (with ice under a glass container). I think that keeps it from evaporating so you do not inhale it. Since I have trouble making a sandwich......I don't think I will try it :thumbup:

[eagleeer]

Do you have to have some kind of special license to get chloroform? Would there be some kind of paper trail?
=============

Yes, you do. It is a controlled substance that requires special circumstances to obtain it. It is no longer dispensed through a pharmacy since it was banned and an anesthetic many years agp. It is now only used in commercial produces such as cleaning agents and other solvents that require its chemical properties. That being said, it can be made with three household items. Chlorox bleach, fingernail polish (acetone) and alcohol. Equal parts of each will make a volitale substance very similar to Chloroform. It is highly flamble and must be kept in dark colored glass containers out of the light and heat to stay stable. This is what I believe some believe is the reason she looked up how to make Chloroform on the internet. There are many chemicals like this that are controlled by the Government. It is also considerd as a hazaradous waste and must be disposed of in a proper way. It is illegally obtainable through the internet but as you know every thing you do on the net has a trail. If she got it on the net, they would damn well know about it.

[beetlebrow]

I remember a poster copy/paste the recipe here way back and it sounded like you had to use a lot of ice or bad things could happen.
I just couldn't even try to make it... I can barely cook!!

You are my twin!!!!:w00t:

[Oregongal]

You're both in mine. :smile:

Awwww, how sweet SW. Ditto.
:wub:

[Lapis]

On that same path, I think they want to test all evidence to date for Jesse's prints and DNA. For some reason they have decided this boy had something to do with Caylee's death/abduction and the cover-up. Both casey and cindy thought he was "too" close the Caylee,[even after a DNA test he had performed himself --which excluded him 99.9%]n showed not to be the father. Jesse says he loved casey and really loved Caylee because for months since her birth, he thought she was his daughter. Jesse also says casey became jealous of his and Caylee's relationship, so she broke the engagement off. Cindy didn't like him because he would stand up to her, and that is so totally against her rules.
Part of the SODDI defense is gonna be Jesse, and since the don't have anything to come in the front door, they are trying to come in the back door. To bad he already passed a FBI poly. I just think this is one of the crazy parts of this defense.

If there is any unidentifiable DNA on anything that will be the killer. IMO if they can't match it to Jesse they can still use the defense. If its Jesse's DNA so much the better. I think paternity is beside the point. JMO

[Pruddennce]

Cindy's reasoning:

August 20: she writes to her brother Rick oh yes Casey stole ONE CHECK from mom out of her purse and says "NOT FROM HER HOUSE".....and it was less than $50....then: her birthday check, she didnt cash it, she just took the routing # off of it....

and cindy writes: that was between mom and me...

so stealing is ok because it wasnt alot of money? and she corrects Rick and says it wasnt from the house it was from mom's purse?

as if THAT is ok??????????????????????? accountability for Casey......none.

then about her own father "I know he is hurting, but its not killing him".

*jaw dropping*

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

Rick also tells her in his last email to her that he believes caylee is dead. he also confronts her about her other lies about George and his debt. (hmmm...what does internet debt mean?...just curious) Her 401k was exhausted by casey, not George, per Rick who got his info from their mom.

'we have people tracking the sitter. The OCSD are not doing their job.'

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202951-3010%20f.pdf

I do understand that family dynamics can be dangerous waters, but how Rick responds to her, giving her examples of lie after lie within the entire family structure, is poignant.... creating a bubble house was a long term effort on cindy's part.

I felt his frustration, as well as their mother's frustration. and sadness. and despair.....she did not 'become' this person because of this tragedy.

she is this person...who lies for others, lies about herself, to protect an image.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Oregongal]

YUP......YUP.......and YUP........:smile:

Yup, I'm right or yup I'm misunderstanding?
:lol:

[beetlebrow]

=============

Yes, you do. It is a controlled substance that requires special circumstances to obtain it. It is no longer dispensed through a pharmacy since it was banned and an anesthetic many years agp. It is now only used in commercial produces such as cleaning agents and other solvents that require its chemical properties. That being said, it can be made with three household items. Chlorox bleach, fingernail polish (acetone) and alcohol. Equal parts of each will make a volitale substance very similar to Chloroform. It is highly flamble and must be kept in dark colored glass containers out of the light and heat to stay stable. This is what I believe some believe is the reason she looked up how to make Chloroform on the internet. There are many chemicals like this that are controlled by the Government. It is also considerd as a hazaradous waste and must be disposed of in a proper way.

Some companies have no problem with that part unfortunately.....they actually are doing studies now that are showing that swimming in an indoor pool alot results in long term lung damage from chloroform vapors that are somehow a result of the chlorine.....I love to swim.....

[legalmania]

IIRC legal, way back on NG, one of her producers went on line and actually ordered chloroform and needed nothing but a credit card number.
No special license needed.
There are those sites which tell you how to make your own so there wouldn't be any paper trail.
If perchance Casey did buy some, there most likely is a record and LE has found it and it keeping it under wraps for now.

See I would think a credit card would be their paper trail. I didn't know you could make it. I would think there has to be one ingredient that you have to sign for, I saw this documentary about meth and they use something from cough medicine and you have to sign when you get more than a certain number of packets. I would be suspicious if you bought more than one.

[Texas Native]

And Cindy said the father agreed not to be in the child's life. Lee said the father wasn't even aware of the baby.

They really couldn't get their stories straight at times.

+++++++++

I think the judge should assign an attorney for Caylee if this goes on much longer. This is horrific that they are using her like this. Maybe the state will find out who the father is.

[beetlebrow]

Yup, I'm right or yup I'm misunderstanding?
:lol:

U r right and there is no misunderstanding......as I was saying earlier, we may as well stop trying to apply logic to what Jose Baez does....:confused:

[Lapis]

+++++++++

I think the judge should assign an attorney for Caylee if this goes on much longer. This is horrific that they are using her like this. Maybe the state will find out who the father is.

If they didn't when she was alive they won't now she's gone. Talk about an overworked department. JMO

[beetlebrow]

+++++++++

I think the judge should assign an attorney for Caylee if this goes on much longer. This is horrific that they are using her like this. Maybe the state will find out who the father is.


I think the attornys need to chime in....can a dead person retain counsel??? :rose: Caylee

[Pag Boi]

You better stay on here and share my lack of life with me. :wink:

You're more like life of the party

but if you have one of them no clothes parties, I can't come. :nono: Blame Casey for flagging me down JMOO

[beetlebrow]

OMH! That made me laugh out loud, BB!! I was thinking the same thing... I would not want to take the chance.

Give me any utensil and I will find a way to hurt myself with it!!!:tonguewag:.........I'm very talented that way.

[legalmania]

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Yes, you do. It is a controlled substance that requires special circumstances to obtain it. It is no longer dispensed through a pharmacy since it was banned and an anesthetic many years ago. It is now only used in commercial produces such as cleaning agents and other solvents that require its chemical properties. That being said, it can be made with three household items. Clorox bleach, fingernail polish (acetone) and alcohol. Equal parts of each will make a volatile substance very similar to Chloroform. It is highly flammable and must be kept in dark colored glass containers out of the light and heat to stay stable. This is what I believe some believe is the reason she looked up how to make Chloroform on the internet. There are many chemicals like this that are controlled by the Government. It is also considered as a hazardous waste and must be disposed of in a proper way. It is illegally obtainable through the internet but as you know every thing you do on the net has a trail. If she got it on the net, they would damn well know about it.

It's pure poison, I would never put that in my body. People are crazy, they will do anything to get high.

[Oregongal]

Thanks OG. :biggrin: I guess we got suckered tonight with expecting anything from GR, eh?

I didn't tonight, actually forgot about it, but last night I hung in here waiting for those who get GR to do their wonderful reporting on what Cindy would be saying.
Not going to fall for that again and am glad I don't get him otherwise I would have wasted my time watching and waiting. At least there was good convo going on here interpersed with the waiting for and then no show of Cindy. I still think this board is much more on top of it than GR and any other media mode out there.
We are all smarter than the average bear and I so enjoy being able to get up to the minute scoops from everyone here.
:thumbsup:

[eagleeer]

I remember looking up the process...ingredients are simple, few and easily obtained. I believe you have to keep the mixture at a low temp. (with ice under a glass container). I think that keeps it from evaporating so you do not inhale it. Since I have trouble making a sandwich......I don't think I will try it :thumbup:

Bettle, as long as it is kept under around 65 degrees f. in dark glass containers it is not as volatile and would not have to be iced down. It can be kept refrigerated and be safe.

[AbbyNormal]

Yup. At Holiday In Express, your patient might actually ~live~. At least long enough to pay you for your efforts.

:biggrin:Life is never the same after you've entertained neurosurgeons in you pajamas!

[beetlebrow]

It's pure poison, I would never put that in my body. People are crazy, they will do anything to get high.

I remember when I was very young and had my tonsils taken out....they used what I think was chloroform. It was AWFUL....it was in a small dark brown bottle and they put it on a thick guaze pad and held it over my nose and mouth.......it smelled sooo weird.....yuck.....then I saw the nurse walking off into the sunset and thats the last thing I remember....:sad:

If I ever smelled it again I really think I would vomit....

[nana2]

I remember a poster copy/paste the recipe here way back and it sounded like you had to use a lot of ice or bad things could happen.
I just couldn't even try to make it... I can barely cook!!
lol "kitchen room"....sammie

thanks for the memories
:lol:

[legalmania]

Ugh!!!!!......now I have to kill you :cursing: :tonguewag:

OK well do what you have to do. Can you at least wait until I finish my web site?

[beetlebrow]

Life is never the same after you've entertained neurosurgeons in you pajamas!

I personally would think NOTHING could compare :laugh:

[eagleeer]

ummm the nancy grace producer was able to go online and within a couple clicks she ordered it with nothing more than a credit card

we have a pool so i checked to see what i would need if i wanted to make it myself... i already had everything i needed

all you need is ICE, CHLORINE and BLEACH

the anthonys have a pool and most likely use chlorine because i doubt they have a pool that uses the salt water process...since it's just a little above ground model

No Kit, Chlorine and bleach are the same thing you need the alcohol and acetone as well, that is what makes it so volitale, unstable and flamable. Ice is not required unless it is not refrigerated below 55 to 65 degrees f. You can sniff chlorine and bleach all day and all your going to get is one hell of a headache, sore eyes and nose.

[beetlebrow]

OK well do what you have to do. Can you at least wait until I finish my web site?

Ya OK.....just be careful when you get into the next elevator :w00t:.....just sayin

[Oregongal]

SO have any of you heard or read about that statement from Ricardo....when he stated Casey joked about putting Caylee to sleep with medicine?

I read here everyday and follow this case closely and this is the first I have heard/read about this. This totally xplains Caylee sleeping through all of those parties!! AND spending time with (nanny--trunk of the car)

I read it somewhere, please don't ask for a link tho. I am certainly not sure, but I think.....think....it was in one of the interviews he gave to LE.
It was something like she said, maybe I'll just give her baby medicine and knock her out. And I thought she was talking about something like baby Tylenol cold med or Benedryl.
Maybe you can go back to the first doc dump and find it.
I'd offer, but, I'm tired and then I'd find myself again be far behind here.
I'm only one page behind and I like it when I feel caught up. I'm selfish that way and I get so worn out running to catch up with you all.
:biggrin:

[*Serenity*]

Cindy's reasoning:

August 20: she writes to her brother Rick oh yes Casey stole ONE CHECK from mom out of her purse and says "NOT FROM HER HOUSE".....and it was less than $50....then: her birthday check, she didnt cash it, she just took the routing # off of it....

and cindy writes: that was between mom and me...

so stealing is ok because it wasnt alot of money? and she corrects Rick and says it wasnt from the house it was from mom's purse?

as if THAT is ok??????????????????????? accountability for Casey......none.

then about her own father "I know he is hurting, but its not killing him".

*jaw dropping*

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202901-2950%20f.pdf

Rick also tells her in his last email to her that he believes caylee is dead. he also confronts her about her other lies about George and his debt. (hmmm...what does internet debt mean?...just curious) Her 401k was exhausted by casey, not George, per Rick who got his info from their mom.

'we have people tracking the sitter. The OCSD are not doing their job.'

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202951-3010%20f.pdf

I do understand that family dynamics can be dangerous waters, but how Rick responds to her, giving her examples of lie after lie within the entire family structure, is poignant.... creating a bubble house was a long term effort on cindy's part.

I felt his frustration, as well as their mother's frustration. and sadness. and despair.....she did not 'become' this person because of this tragedy.

she is this person...who lies for others, lies about herself, to protect an image.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Oh so true Pru....!! This family has been behaving in this fashion for many years... not just the tragic loss of precious Caylee! Inside that home was a timebomb that has been ticking for a very long time and finally exploded! Cindy's behavior and interaction with Rick over Casey's pregnancy and the stolen money from the parents is a total defense for Casey-- just as we have witnessed on a daily basis with her spouting about Casey not killing Caylee. Bless Caylee... she is in a much better place and with her this chain has been broken. Lee's children will carry on the chain, unless of course Casey hooks up with someone in prison and gets cong visits! Scary thought!!

nice to see you pru


ps-- I keep asking and no responses about Ricardo's statement in regards to Casey joking about medicating Caylee to get her to sleep.
Have you heard or read about that? I posted the link way backthread.

tia

[Oregongal]

:laugh: Lucky guess, for my addled brain!

Goodnight all! I'm sure we will have an eventful week!

Good night Lavenia, sleep well and as always, nice to convo with you.
:seeya:

[need2no]

SO have any of you heard or read about that statement from Ricardo....when he stated Casey joked about putting Caylee to sleep with medicine?

I read here everyday and follow this case closely and this is the first I have heard/read about this. This totally xplains Caylee sleeping through all of those parties!! AND spending time with (nanny--trunk of the car)

I think it was in the last doc dump, in a supplemental report.

[legalmania]

I remember when I was very young and had my tonsils taken out....they used what I think was chloroform. It was AWFUL....it was in a small dark brown bottle and they put it on a thick gauze pad and held it over my nose and mouth.......it smelled sooo weird.....yuck.....then I saw the nurse walking off into the sunset and that's the last thing I remember....:sad:

If I ever smelled it again I really think I would vomit....

I remember when I got my tonsils and adenoids out after the operation was finished they gave me this pink gum to chew it tasted awful, my sister and my friend loved it and ate it all. I found out years later it was laced with pharmissuidical cocaine I was only six. I wonder if they still sell that.

[beetlebrow]

ummm the nancy grace producer was able to go online and within a couple clicks she ordered it with nothing more than a credit card

we have a pool so i checked to see what i would need if i wanted to make it myself... i already had everything i needed

all you need is ICE, CHLORINE, BLEACH, ACETONE

the anthonys have a pool and most likely use chlorine because i doubt they have a pool that uses the salt water process...since it's just a little above ground model

oh and NO you can't use the nail polish (acetone)... it has to be pure acetone like you buy at a hardware store





So....if wet towels/bathing suits were in the trunk then removed, and someone tried to clean the trunk with bleach......could this make chloroform.....actually I guess they would pass out while cleaning....

See I dont need u guys......I just answered my own question :tonguewag:

[eagleeer]

I remember when I was very young and had my tonsils taken out....they used what I think was chloroform. It was AWFUL....it was in a small dark brown bottle and they put it on a thick guaze pad and held it over my nose and mouth.......it smelled sooo weird.....yuck.....then I saw the nurse walking off into the sunset and thats the last thing I remember....:sad:

If I ever smelled it again I really think I would vomit....

Beetle, that was Ether and not Chloroform that was used on you. Chloroform was not used when you were little. I am 67 and in my life time only Ether has been used which was replaced with pentathol and other chemicals since.

[*Serenity*]

lol "kitchen room"....sammie

thanks for the memories
:lol:

Hi Nana....
yea... Sammie is greatly missed especially at Christmas. I remember her excitement over the prelit tree!

I seriously can barely cook and I swear I follow directions and things just don't turn out like they should. NEVER
So if I even tried to whip up some chlorform I would be the one to die!!

seriously

[Neffy]

If there is any unidentifiable DNA on anything that will be the killer. IMO if they can't match it to Jesse they can still use the defense. If its Jesse's DNA so much the better. I think paternity is beside the point. JMO

I agree definately not the paternity they're looking for.

Still there are so many things to over come. The 31 days, decomp/hair in the trunk, abandoned car. I keep forgetting the phone call Casey supposedly recieved speaking to Caylee around noon IIRC on the day Cindy plucked Casey from TonE's place.

[*Serenity*]

I think it was in the last doc dump, in a supplemental report.

Thank you -- thank you---

and thanks to the others that replied that I am missing.....
I need to find that report it is bugging me and it fits right into Casey's scheme of things. Caylee was sleeping in the trunk of the car while sleeping with her guys and partying!! Cindy didn't have her and we know Zanny the wonderful Nanny is make believe. I have always thought Casey drugged her and kept a pillow and blankie in that trunk for her to sleep.

[beetlebrow]

Oh so true Pru....!! This family has been behaving in this fashion for many years... not just the tragic loss of precious Caylee! Inside that home was a timebomb that has been ticking for a very long time and finally exploded! Cindy's behavior and interaction with Rick over Casey's pregnancy and the stolen money from the parents is a total defense for Casey-- just as we have witnessed on a daily basis with her spouting about Casey not killing Caylee. Bless Caylee... she is in a much better place and with her this chain has been broken. Lee's children will carry on the chain, unless of course Casey hooks up with someone in prison and gets cong visits! Scary thought!!

nice to see you pru


ps-- I keep asking and no responses about Ricardo's statement in regards to Casey joking about medicating Caylee to get her to sleep.
Have you heard or read about that? I posted the link way backthread.

tia

I believe that was in the last doc dump.....yes I read that.....:sad:

[Lindsey]

I think the mark or whatever on Cindy's face looked similiar to this mark on George's face.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-georgewithscraponface.jpg

Yes, very similiar. Cindy's seemed to be a little "puffier" than his tho.

Thanks to all who responded to my post and for all the info y'all post everyday. I very seldom have time to do more than read a few pages here and there but I am very interested in the case.

[eagleeer]

and i edited my post as soon as i hit enter because i knew i had had forgotten to put ACETONE

you can use BLEACH or CHLORINE... with ACETONE and ICE

but it isn't the nail polish type,,, it's acetone like body shops use for cars... it's pure acetone from hardware store

OR you can buy chloroform online with a credit card if you don't want to fiddle around making it

Kit are you not reading my posts? I am a Chemist and once again it is Chlorine or Chlorine Bleach, Alcohol and Acetone. No ice is required unless it is being stored at high temperture.

[*Serenity*]

I agree definately not the paternity they're looking for.

Still there are so many things to over come. The 31 days, decomp/hair in the trunk, abandoned car. I keep forgetting the phone call Casey supposedly recieved speaking to Caylee around noon IIRC on the day Cindy plucked Casey from TonE's place.

That make believe phone call was her attempt at stalling Cindy and obtaining more time to cover her story OR hit the road and try to get to California.

She didn't talk to Caylee or the Nanny... Caylee was dead and Zanny was make believe in her head.

[*Serenity*]

I believe that was in the last doc dump.....yes I read that.....:sad:

Thx beetle
I will search for that tomorrow when I am not so tired.

[legalmania]

No Kit, Chlorine and bleach are the same thing you need the alcohol and acetone as well, that is what makes it so volatile, unstable and flammable. Ice is not required unless it is not refrigerated below 55 to 65 degrees f. You can sniff chlorine and bleach all day and all your going to get is one hell of a headache, sore eyes and nose.

If I sniffed chlorine or bleach all day I would have to be rushed to the hospital with a collapsed lung. I can't even have it in my house, it gives me pneumonia. Then I see these commercials that you can even spray bleach around your baby. That's nuts to me. I wouldn't put any chemicals around my or any bodies baby.

[beetlebrow]

I remember when I got my tonsils and adenoids out after the operation was finished they gave me this pink gum to chew it tasted awful, my sister and my friend loved it and ate it all. I found out years later it was laced with pharmissuidical cocaine I was only six. I wonder if they still sell that.

Well.......don't you think this explains ur addiction :w00t:.....ur a lawyer.....time to SUE!!!!!.....ok I'll get some coffee

seriously....I'm surprised you were ever able to get near pink gum again!!! I would be phobic!

[legalmania]

Kit are you not reading my posts? I am a Chemist and once again it is Chlorine or Chlorine Bleach, Alcohol and Acetone. No ice is required unless it is being stored at high temperture.

Is chlorine a diluted form of bleach?

[Lapis]

I agree definately not the paternity they're looking for.

Still there are so many things to over come. The 31 days, decomp/hair in the trunk, abandoned car. I keep forgetting the phone call Casey supposedly recieved speaking to Caylee around noon IIRC on the day Cindy plucked Casey from TonE's place.

I didn't say it was going to be easy. But maybe she's covering for Jesse or someone else. Or we could go back to the kidnapper theory. Or maybe it was another child she thought was Caylee. LOL

[beetlebrow]

If I sniffed chlorine and bleach all day I would have to be rushed to the hospital with a collapsed lung. I can't even have it in my house, it gives me pneumonia. Then I see these commercials that you can even spray bleach around your baby. That's nuts to me. I wouldn't put any chemicals around my or any bodies baby.

I think they are the reason for severe allergies.....just my opinion.....we have become such a chemically dependant society.....lots of money in new chemicals....mother earth will have the last word im afraid


Too bad we can't live "with" the earth :sad:

[eagleeer]

and i edited my post as soon as i hit enter because i knew i had had forgotten to put ACETONE

you can use BLEACH or CHLORINE... with ACETONE and ICE

but it isn't the nail polish type,,, it's acetone like body shops use for cars... it's pure acetone from hardware store

OR you can buy chloroform online with a credit card if you don't want to fiddle around making it

Kit, please you are posting so fast that you are not reading my posts. Take a breath and go back about half and hour and read. Acetone is the primary comonent in fingernail polish remover with and agent to make it smell a little better. Also Ketone can be used in place of nail polish but Ketone is much harder to obtain any longer because it is so dangerous.

[*Serenity*]

okay... if chlorform is used to knock u out and also used for sex how would u know if u had sex if u were knocked out.... or is that the whole point? knock the one out that u want to have sex with?

[beetlebrow]

Eagle.....just wanted to say that I am hanging on your every word, this is facinating.....and thank you for having patience with us.....:wub:

[Oregongal]

On that same path, I think they want to test all evidence to date for Jesse's prints and DNA. For some reason they have decided this boy had something to do with Caylee's death/abduction and the cover-up. Both casey and cindy thought he was "too" close the Caylee,[even after a DNA test he had performed himself --which excluded him 99.9%]n showed not to be the father. Jesse says he loved casey and really loved Caylee because for months since her birth, he thought she was his daughter. Jesse also says casey became jealous of his and Caylee's relationship, so she broke the engagement off. Cindy didn't like him because he would stand up to her, and that is so totally against her rules.
Part of the SODDI defense is gonna be Jesse, and since the don't have anything to come in the front door, they are trying to come in the back door. To bad he already passed a FBI poly. I just think this is one of the crazy parts of this defense.

A crazy part of this defense. As you pointed out, Jesse himself had and paid for the DNA paternity test. Copies of which both he and Casey received. If I'm not mistaken that was one of the things taken in one of the search warrants. Then even still he stayed with Casey and was willing to take Caylee as his own daughter. Casey is the one who broke it off...because she thought Jesse loved Caylee more than her. and to top that all off, he did take and pass a poly.
How in the world the defense thinks they can in any way place any blame on Jesse is so ridiculous to me, it boggles my mind.
It would seem if they looked at it logically they would stay far away from Jesse. Would try their best to keep him out of it in any way they could.
He is so much more an asset to the pros with all the positives he has shown than he ever could be for the defense. I'm not an attorney, don't play one on tv, but even I, a lil ol lay person can see Jesse can and most likely be the shining star in the prosecutions case.
I'm beginning to think the defense, ie: Baez is as crazy as Casey.

[Neffy]

I didn't say it was going to be easy. But maybe she's covering for Jesse or someone else. Or we could go back to the kidnapper theory. Or maybe it was another child she thought was Caylee. LOL

OH never meant to imply you did mean that. Just posting out loud. :)

[legalmania]

Well.......don't you think this explains ur addiction :w00t:.....ur a lawyer.....time to SUE!!!!!.....ok I'll get some coffee

seriously....I'm surprised you were ever able to get near pink gum again!!! I would be phobic!

No not a lawyer paralegal, addiction to what? I tried one piece and it immediately made my mouth numb, but then there was this bitter after taste yuk. Now I'm older I would like to try it again though.

[*Serenity*]

Kit, please you are posting so fast that you are not reading my posts. Take a breath and go back about half and hour and read. Acetone is the primary comonent in fingernail polish remover with and agent to make it smell a little better. Also Ketone can be used in place of nail polish but Ketone is much harder to obtain any longer because it is so dangerous.


I think the acetone they are talking about is the commercial type acetone like from home depot, not nail polish remover. I knew a construction guy that cleaned his concrete equipment with acetone and it was the commercial type from home depot.

[need2no]

Thank you -- thank you---

and thanks to the others that replied that I am missing.....
I need to find that report it is bugging me and it fits right into Casey's scheme of things. Caylee was sleeping in the trunk of the car while sleeping with her guys and partying!! Cindy didn't have her and we know Zanny the wonderful Nanny is make believe. I have always thought Casey drugged her and kept a pillow and blankie in that trunk for her to sleep.

YW! Try WFTV...I'm sure the docs are all there.

[Oregongal]

I wonder if that revelation on NG will spark a lot of people to actually order it for themselves. Erk.

Good Lord I would hope not, but in this sick world.....:crying:

[eagleeer]

Is chlorine a diluted form of bleach?

No bleach is a diluted form of chlorine. Pure chlorine is extremely flamable as evidenced by some of the major fires around the country when chlorine is leaked and large areas have to be evacuated until it dissapates into the atmosphere.

[Lapis]

A crazy part of this defense. As you pointed out, Jesse himself had and paid for the DNA paternity test. Copies of which both he and Casey received. If I'm not mistaken that was one of the things taken in one of the search warrants. Then even still he stayed with Casey and was willing to take Caylee as his own daughter. Casey is the one who broke it off...because she thought Jesse loved Caylee more than her. and to top that all off, he did take and pass a poly.
How in the world the defense thinks they can in any way place any blame on Jesse is so ridiculous to me, it boggles my mind.
It would seem if they looked at it logically they would stay far away from Jesse. Would try their best to keep him out of it in any way they could.
He is so much more an asset to the pros with all the positives he has shown than he ever could be for the defense. I'm not an attorney, don't play one on tv, but even I, a lil ol lay person can see Jesse can and most likely be the shining star in the prosecutions case.
I'm beginning to think the defense, ie: Baez is as crazy as Casey.

Remember folks LDT will not be mentioned in the trial. We need to take this out of the equation. JMO

[beetlebrow]

A crazy part of this defense. As you pointed out, Jesse himself had and paid for the DNA paternity test. Copies of which both he and Casey received. If I'm not mistaken that was one of the things taken in one of the search warrants. Then even still he stayed with Casey and was willing to take Caylee as his own daughter. Casey is the one who broke it off...because she thought Jesse loved Caylee more than her. and to top that all off, he did take and pass a poly.
How in the world the defense thinks they can in any way place any blame on Jesse is so ridiculous to me, it boggles my mind.
It would seem if they looked at it logically they would stay far away from Jesse. Would try their best to keep him out of it in any way they could.
He is so much more an asset to the pros with all the positives he has shown than he ever could be for the defense. I'm not an attorney, don't play one on tv, but even I, a lil ol lay person can see Jesse can and most likely be the shining star in the prosecutions case.
I'm beginning to think the defense, ie: Baez is as crazy as Casey.

Its all PR baby......most people don't know the facts of the case like we do.......he is creating reasonable doubt before he goes to court....uh I mean he is trying :rolleyes:

[*Serenity*]

I didn't say it was going to be easy. But maybe she's covering for Jesse or someone else. Or we could go back to the kidnapper theory. Or maybe it was another child she thought was Caylee. LOL

If Casey could pin this on someone she would have the first day Cindy snatched her from TonE.... she wouldn't cover for anyone and go to jail. NOT Casey!! If she could even come close to pinning this on someone she would and I'm quite surprised she hasn't tried to put this on her Mother! I mean afterall she was ready to set up house with Amy because Ma and Pa were giving her the house-- even to the extent of Amy changing her address and thinking she was moving in.
Oh yea... Casey..she's the sly one!

[eagleeer]

I think the acetone they are talking about is the commercial type acetone like from home depot, not nail polish remover. I knew a construction guy that cleaned his concrete equipment with acetone and it was the commercial type from home depot.

I am sorry again but brick layers and concrete contractors use sulphuric acid diluted with water to clean the mortar residue from bricks and concrete tools. Acetone is a solvent and would not clean concrete tools. It as I said earlier was used in cleaning agents primarily to remove greasey residue and some glue products. A form of acetone is used to clean the formica glue after it is laid down.

[legalmania]

No bleach is a diluted form of chlorine. Pure chlorine is extremely flamable as evidenced by some of the major fires around the country when chlorine is leaked and large areas have to be evacuated until it dissapates into the atmosphere.

Yes I remember when the pool guy came he use to put chlorine and something else I can't remember what it's called anyway I couldn't go near the pool for a couple of days.

[beetlebrow]

Beetle, that was Ether and not Chloroform that was used on you. Chloroform was not used when you were little. I am 67 and in my life time only Ether has been used which was replaced with pentathol and other chemicals since.


:scared: oops.....I was thinking it might be something else....just could not remember the name. So what did they use chloroform 4 ????

[need2no]

Yes I remember when the pool guy came he use to put chlorine and something else I can't remember what it's called anyway I couldn't go near the pool for a couple of days.

Probably Pool Shock, to get rid of gross stuff and keep the water clear.

[Lapis]

If Casey could pin this on someone she would have the first day Cindy snatched her from TonE.... she wouldn't cover for anyone and go to jail. NOT Casey!! If she could even come close to pinning this on someone she would and I'm quite surprised she hasn't tried to put this on her Mother! I mean afterall she was ready to set up house with Amy because Ma and Pa were giving her the house-- even to the extent of Amy changing her address and thinking she was moving in.
Oh yea... Casey..she's the sly one!

She did try to pin it on Zanny the Nanny. Now we know Zanny does not exist. Next step: look at what the evidence shows then pick the person to pin it on. JMO

[*Serenity*]

Remember folks LDT will not be mentioned in the trial. We need to take this out of the equation. JMO
Jessie and Jessie's parents babysat Caylee for a very long time... up until the paternity! The family was crushed about the lie Casey told all of them.. they can testify to what she did to their family which will follow suit with the lies she told LE right from the get go...... her pattern will be proven all the way through to the very end. Jessie and his family adored Caylee. Cindy and Casey on the other hand had a great dislike for Jessie and his family after the paternity. Casey and her family have deny deny deny that Jessie is the daddy and infact all of them stick together with the daddy is dead.

[beetlebrow]

no, you'd be missing the acetone component

all that would be is watered down chlorine and bleach... it would never produce chloroform

Guess u would need heavy gloves for the acetone?

[legalmania]

:scared: oops.....I was thinking it might be something else....just could not remember the name. So what did they use chloroform 4 ????

I just remember the mask over my face and counting backwords I wonder what the record is I only remember 97?

[*Serenity*]

She did try to pin it on Zanny the Nanny. Now we know Zanny does not exist. Next step: look at what the evidence shows then pick the person to pin it on. JMO


Well they can try but Jessie and his family have proof and LE has proof so they can go after all of her friends. Too bad for them but hey she wants out of jail.

[beetlebrow]

okay... if chlorform is used to knock u out and also used for sex how would u know if u had sex if u were knocked out.... or is that the whole point? knock the one out that u want to have sex with?

I think thats right....kinda like GHB :angry:

[Lapis]

Jessie and Jessie's parents babysat Caylee for a very long time... up until the paternity! The family was crushed about the lie Casey told all of them.. they can testify to what she did to their family which will follow suit with the lies she told LE right from the get go...... her pattern will be proven all the way through to the very end. Jessie and his family adored Caylee. Cindy and Casey on the other hand had a great dislike for Jessie and his family after the paternity. Casey and her family have deny deny deny that Jessie is the daddy and infact all of them stick together with the daddy is dead.

All that is true. But it will come down to credibility. Hey, folks I think she did it. I am on record today with my theory. Now I'm trying to have some fun in formulating a plausable (sp I'm tired) defense. JMO

[*Serenity*]

She did try to pin it on Zanny the Nanny. Now we know Zanny does not exist. Next step: look at what the evidence shows then pick the person to pin it on. JMO

ps-- sorry to reply again

I meant pin this on a real person not the make believe nanny.
Casey used Zany because chit hit the fan too fast for her and she didn't have this all figured out. She was too busy shopping at Target on Amy's dime and sleeping with TonE to remember she needed a plan.
However I do recall her telling TonE she had money saved for a backup plan. I think she really was going to jet out to CA but couldn't get out of TonE's bed long enough to fix her problems.

[beetlebrow]

I just remember the mask over my face and counting backwords I wonder what the record is I only remember 97?

Omg I forgot about that part :laugh:

[eagleeer]

:scared: oops.....I was thinking it might be something else....just could not remember the name. So what did they use chloroform 4 ????

Way back they used chloroform as an anesthesia but they had so many deaths because it was not used properly it was banned. Chloroform was replaced by ether but that was replaced by pentathol and other anesthetics. Now it is only used in cleaning agents in limited amounts that are not as volitale but still not safe to smell in close quarters. There are also some other uses but not in its purest form.

[Neffy]

She did try to pin it on Zanny the Nanny. Now we know Zanny does not exist. Next step: look at what the evidence shows then pick the person to pin it on. JMO

See now this is what I'm not understanding. The defense doesn't have to pin it on anyone. They're JOB *cough* is to defend Casey. The problem is she's incriminated herself by her words and circumstantial evidence at every turn. If they try to pin it on someone else without accounting for Casey's actions where does that get them? I suppose it may confuse some people but in the end I'm sure 12 jurors will see that the defense is trying to create a patsy to divert attention.

[legalmania]

I am reading your posts!

you can't use nail polish remover... every site i visited said it had to be PURE acetone not nail polish remover

the chemist on the video said NOT nail polish remover

and you started out saying chloroform was a banned substance... that no one can buy unless they have special permission WRONG.. I could have bought it myself with a credit card all i had to do was CLICK one more time.

In the US?

[*Serenity*]

All that is true. But it will come down to credibility. Hey, folks I think she did it. I am on record today with my theory. Now I'm trying to have some fun in formulating a plausable (sp I'm tired) defense. JMO


Ha ... keep trying........ Casey left her tracks all over the place... she is sloppy! Her computer skills, cell phones, txt messages, cell pings, lying to ALL that crossed her path. I just love it when she tells LE to go the 2nd floor apt 210 to Zany's apartment. I bust a gut everytime I hear that tape. She's a fox! (not)

[Lapis]

See now this is what I'm not understanding. The defense doesn't have to pin it on anyone. They're JOB *cough* is to defend Casey. The problem is she's incriminated herself by her words and circumstantial evidence at every turn. If they try to pin it on someone else without accounting for Casey's actions where does that get them? I suppose it may confuse some people but in the end I'm sure 12 jurors will see that the defense is trying to create a patsy to divert attention.

She was involved in the coverup and not the death. JMO

[*Serenity*]

See now this is what I'm not understanding. The defense doesn't have to pin it on anyone. They're JOB *cough* is to defend Casey. The problem is she's incriminated herself by her words and circumstantial evidence at every turn. If they try to pin it on someone else without accounting for Casey's actions where does that get them? I suppose it may confuse some people but in the end I'm sure 12 jurors will see that the defense is trying to create a patsy to divert attention.


Oh I don't think the jury will be confused at all. When the prosc starts from day 1 with her BS about not reporting her toddler missing for 31 days ---and her BS about finding her and watching scary movies.... yea ok that will go over good... then she takes LE all over the place with a pack of lies... like universal and looking for caylee in the backwards kind of way. She will get slammed day after day after day in that courtroom. I can't imagine how she will be able to sit at that table and listen to every single friend of hers tell this jury what she did during this time of her daughter missing!! She has big ones to sit through it!!

[AbbyNormal]

what?? are you serious?? wil you please share that theory (I think) :scared:

Well, IF --- it would explain the chloroform already on hand used to
clean the trunk of the car. It would explain why GA put his nose right up to that stain in the trunk. It would explain what terrible secrect they are all scrambling to cover for. It would explain LA's creepy laughter when he told LE he had never smelled decomp before.

I googled necrophilia and learned that a high percentage of necrophiles are looking for an accepting and compliant sexual partner.

jmo and all that~

[Oregongal]

See I would think a credit card would be their paper trail. I didn't know you could make it. I would think there has to be one ingredient that you have to sign for, I saw this documentary about meth and they use something from cough medicine and you have to sign when you get more than a certain number of packets. I would be suspicious if you bought more than one.

Yes legal, there would be a paper trail if a cc was used, that's why I said, if that was the case with Casey LE has found it and has just not released that fact.
The ingredients to make it are just common, ordinary households items that are available in any grocery or drug store. Bleach, acetone, common rubbing alchohol and a bag of ice. Wal Mart carries all those things and I would imagine Target does also....Casey's fave store. Nothing that has to be signed for. It's how you put all these together that is tricky, but yes, on the internet, there are directions/recipes. I just googled it today.
Anyone with half a brain could make it if they follow the directions. Even those who don't cook.
Meth is a whole diff ballgame and yes the ingredients now, with the new laws limiting access to the used to be over the counter cold meds, makes it harder to aquire the ingredients for that.
In my area, you don't have to sign for those used to be OTC's, but you have to ask for them and show ID. They keep track of how many times in a certain period of time you buy them.
They are even now asking for ID and making note of it to buy coffee grinders and blenders. Meth making is far more dangerous to others than the making of chloroform. Chloroform seems to be dangerous only to the one making it. It won't blow up a house, there is no actual 'cooking' involved.
Now, before any of you start thinking why I know so much, it's only because I've watched many documentaries on it and I've had my friendly pharmacy people explain these things to me. I have to visit them a few times a month and we've gotten to be friends. Also, here in Southern Oregon, meth making and taking is a very serious problem.
Every week it seems there is a bust and the newspaper goes not only into the bust, but again will give another lesson on the process. In my area we have a huge public service campaign going....'Don't Do Meth, Not Even Once'.
That's how I know.

[Lapis]

Ha ... keep trying........ Casey left her tracks all over the place... she is sloppy! Her computer skills, cell phones, txt messages, cell pings, lying to ALL that crossed her path. I just love it when she tells LE to go the 2nd floor apt 210 to Zany's apartment. I bust a gut everytime I hear that tape. She's a fox! (not)

I will and you can bet the prosecution is too. They need to cut off all avenues of escape. They do not have a COD and they only have a theory for motive. This is why I love trial work. JMO

[legalmania]

Oh I don't think the jury will be confused at all. When the prosc starts from day 1 with her BS about not reporting her toddler missing for 31 days ---and her BS about finding her and watching scary movies.... yea ok that will go over good... then she takes LE all over the place with a pack of lies... like universal and looking for caylee in the backwards kind of way. She will get slammed day after day after day in that courtroom. I can't imagine how she will be able to sit at that table and listen to every single friend of hers tell this jury what she did during this time of her daughter missing!! She has big ones to sit through it!!

I think as soon as the jury hears that she was missing for 31 days and her mother had to report her missing and the car smells like a dead body is going to leave the jury wanting a whole lot of questions asked and answered.

[beetlebrow]

The way Casey seems so confident when puting Jesse down........There is something we don't know about Jesse that Casey does. Maybe the reason he quit LE???. He was quite taken with her....he may regret telling her things that may be revealed in court.

I think Baez/Casey will stop at nothing to create doubt. Of course I do not believe there is anything that will connect someone else with the death of Caylee but I think Jesse (and frankly others) better be prepared to have any hidden skeletons displayed with a marching band.....:thumbdown:

[eagleeer]

I am reading your posts!

you can't use nail polish remover... every site i visited said it had to be PURE acetone not nail polish remover

the chemist on the video said NOT nail polish remover

and you started out saying chloroform was a banned substance... that no one can buy unless they have special permission WRONG.. I could have bought it myself with a credit card all i had to do was CLICK one more time.

Yes, you can buy it illegally over the internet but it is no longer available to the general public for purchase at your local drug store or Home Depot. It is illegal to have Chloroform in your posession. I can buy Xanax over the internet but that doesn't make it legal either. It is a risk you are taking by doing that. That being said, there are a few pseudo experts who wish impune my integrity about this issue here with out any thing but media reports and videos without links or creditation. And just because someone reports it on a blog or media does not necessarily make it gospel. Now I am finished with this conversation. Thanks to those who understood me.

[*Serenity*]

I will and you can bet the prosecution is too. They need to cut off all avenues of escape. They do not have a COD and they only have a theory for motive. This is why I love trial work. JMO

We don't know if they have COD or not, at least I haven't read the autopsy report.

[Neffy]

She was involved in the coverup and not the death. JMO

And she's still heroic and covering? C'mon! That would point towards making a plea deal and "uncovering" the murderer not keep the "myth" alive. Not plausible.

[Lapis]

who killed her

Anybody but Casey. All they need to advance the theory is to have unidentified fingerprints or DNA. She participated in the coverup because she was protecting what was left of her family. JMO

[*Serenity*]

I think as soon as the jury hears that she was missing for 31 days and her mother had to report her missing and the car smells like a dead body is going to leave the jury wanting a whole lot of questions asked and answered.

Does Florida let the jury ask questions?
I followed the Cutts trial from day 1 and that jury was allowed to ask questions which I thought was so awesome!!

[Neffy]

We don't know if they have COD or not, at least I haven't read the autopsy report.

No COD listed. Unless Henry Lee comes up with one :rolleyes:

[beetlebrow]

Way back they used chloroform as an anesthesia but they had so many deaths because it was not used properly it was banned. Chloroform was replaced by ether but that was replaced by pentathol and other anesthetics. Now it is only used in cleaning agents in limited amounts that are not as volitale but still not safe to smell in close quarters. There are also some other uses but not in its purest form.


Thank you.....if Casey did use chloroform....could she safely get rid of it?? I mean without a trace??

I also remember reading that chloroform is used to cut heroin and some other illegal drug (meth?).....argh can't remember...

[*Serenity*]

Anybody but Casey. All they need to advance the theory is to have unidentified fingerprints or DNA. She participated in the coverup because she was protecting what was left of her family. JMO


Everyone has alibis (working, school, out of town) and no unidentified prints or DNA. Infact her prints are on the duct tape and the dog hair from the A home is on the poo blankie.

[*Serenity*]

No COD listed. Unless Henry Lee comes up with one :rolleyes:

Heck when did they release the autopsy report? How could I have missed that too?

[Lapis]

We don't know if they have COD or not, at least I haven't read the autopsy report.

I can only work with what we know so far and assume that there is nothing more. My theories are subject to change as more information becomes available. That's part of trial work and part of the fun. You can't speculate in a court of law. JMO

[Lapis]

And she's still heroic and covering? C'mon! That would point towards making a plea deal and "uncovering" the murderer not keep the "myth" alive. Not plausible.

What if the real killer were still threatening the rest of the family?

[Pag Boi]

Jessie and Jessie's parents babysat Caylee for a very long time... up until the paternity! The family was crushed about the lie Casey told all of them.. they can testify to what she did to their family which will follow suit with the lies she told LE right from the get go...... her pattern will be proven all the way through to the very end. Jessie and his family adored Caylee. Cindy and Casey on the other hand had a great dislike for Jessie and his family after the paternity. Casey and her family have deny deny deny that Jessie is the daddy and infact all of them stick together with the daddy is dead.

The Grunds said this in a media interview. It is not in LE doc dumps to date.

Lauren, Casey's friend from high school states in her LE interview that she kept Caylee until she was 8 months old. Then she found out that Casey didn't work at Sports Authority. What a great friend. Casey was too stoopid to notice.

The Grunds seem to want to rewrite history. I think they feel badly about how things went with Caylee. and how RG treated Casey. As if they could have changed the outcome of this tragedy if they stayed involved with Casey & Cayee JMOO

[need2no]

Jessie and Jessie's parents babysat Caylee for a very long time... up until the paternity! The family was crushed about the lie Casey told all of them.. they can testify to what she did to their family which will follow suit with the lies she told LE right from the get go...... her pattern will be proven all the way through to the very end. Jessie and his family adored Caylee. Cindy and Casey on the other hand had a great dislike for Jessie and his family after the paternity. Casey and her family have deny deny deny that Jessie is the daddy and infact all of them stick together with the daddy is dead.

"up until the paternity" :confused: Jesse took the paternity test when Caylee was 8 weeks old.

I've been a bit confused about who kept Caylee when and for how long.

It's been a while, but if memory serves me casey took off work >cough, cough< for 2 months after Caylee was born, (I believe that's what Cindy said), so that would put her going back to work >cough, cough< in October '05. Lauren Gibbs stated she babysat for her when needed for the first 8 months up until April '06. (Oct.-April would only be 6 months.)

Richard Grund said he first heard of Zanny in April '06 when casey lost her regular babysitter:

GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named...

The above statement from Grund sounds like they may have only kept Caylee during the month of April until he confronted her and she told him about Zanny.

Maybe Richard, Jesse and his son babysat itermittently with Lauren. IIRC Lauren worked on the weekends.

[Lapis]

You know what, I noticed on Casey A actual inmate record sheet that about every three days, she is charged filing fees, for reports and records in her case. It comes to about 20.00 a week, and at first i thought, is this copies of letters, or what is this...then I realized it looked to me like Baez was charging his client to get all the copies as they were released of her case, but she is charged for each copy. NOW either SHE has those copies and has eveything in her case that we have or she is handing them blindly over to Baez. It's one thing to charge the inmate for each day they are incarcerated but these charges, if you go to the fl records for inmates showed her financial record.

I think that she knows exactly what Baez is doing, she is just not very smart, or very mature and possibly doesnt care how this turns out for her, her body language screams "I am guilty and I cant hide it nor do I care if you see it either" Well, to me any way.
:D

The client always pays for costs. JMO

[*Serenity*]

You know what, I noticed on Casey A actual inmate record sheet that about every three days, she is charged filing fees, for reports and records in her case. It comes to about 20.00 a week, and at first i thought, is this copies of letters, or what is this...then I realized it looked to me like Baez was charging his client to get all the copies as they were released of her case, but she is charged for each copy. NOW either SHE has those copies and has eveything in her case that we have or she is handing them blindly over to Baez. It's one thing to charge the inmate for each day they are incarcerated but these charges, if you go to the fl records for inmates showed her financial record.

I think that she knows exactly what Baez is doing, she is just not very smart, or very mature and possibly doesnt care how this turns out for her, her body language screams "I am guilty and I cant hide it nor do I care if you see it either" Well, to me any way.
:D

Where is she getting the money for the charges? Is this the same account she orders her goodies from? Or is she just racking up a bill?
Can Baez get money from the state since she has no money... I think Geragos did that when Peterson ran out of money... (i think..not sure)

[nana2]

Well, IF --- it would explain the chloroform already on hand used to
clean the trunk of the car. It would explain why GA put his nose right up to that stain in the trunk. It would explain what terrible secrect they are all scrambling to cover for. It would explain LA's creepy laughter when he told LE he had never smelled decomp before.

I googled necrophilia and learned that a high percentage of necrophiles are looking for an accepting and compliant sexual partner.

jmo and all that~

wow very interesting (and creepy) theory...God I hope not but nothing would surprise me in this case

[legalmania]

Yes legal, there would be a paper trail if a cc was used, that's why I said, if that was the case with Casey LE has found it and has just not released that fact.
The ingredients to make it are just common, ordinary households items that are available in any grocery or drug store. Bleach, acetone, common rubbing alcohol and a bag of ice. Walmart carries all those things and I would imagine Target does also....Casey's fave store. Nothing that has to be signed for. It's how you put all these together that is tricky, but yes, on the internet, there are directions/recipes. I just googled it today.
Anyone with half a brain could make it if they follow the directions. Even those who don't cook.
Meth is a whole diff ballgame and yes the ingredients now, with the new laws limiting access to the used to be over the counter cold meds, makes it harder to acquire the ingredients for that.
In my area, you don't have to sign for those used to be OTC's, but you have to ask for them and show ID. They keep track of how many times in a certain period of time you buy them.
They are even now asking for ID and making note of it to buy coffee grinders and blenders. Meth making is far more dangerous to others than the making of chloroform. Chloroform seems to be dangerous only to the one making it. It won't blow up a house, there is no actual 'cooking' involved.
Now, before any of you start thinking why I know so much, it's only because I've watched many documentaries on it and I've had my friendly pharmacy people explain these things to me. I have to visit them a few times a month and we've gotten to be friends. Also, here in Southern Oregon, meth making and taking is a very serious problem.
Every week it seems there is a bust and the newspaper goes not only into the bust, but again will give another lesson on the process. In my area we have a huge public service campaign going....'Don't Do Meth, Not Even Once'.
That's how I know.

It never crossed my mind other than you like to educate yourself on certain subjects, I watched a documentary on intervention about Meth and I wouldn't want to try it. I was born with lung disease and I use to have to get adrenaline shots as a child. I hated that feeling of your heart is going to pound out of your chest and shaking so bad you couldn't hold a cup but for some reason it would help me breath. Now they have medication that is not so harsh. I heard Meth wakes up a part of your brain that makes you crave and after 3 times your hooked.

[Oregongal]

I think the acetone they are talking about is the commercial type acetone like from home depot, not nail polish remover. I knew a construction guy that cleaned his concrete equipment with acetone and it was the commercial type from home depot.

Acetone is available from home depot and stores like them. My ex had acetone as part of his refinishing old furniture projects.
I also remember the nurses used it to get the tape glom from my iv tapes when I was in the hospital for my hysterectomy. Not nail polish remover, acetone. It's a common product used for many things.
It will also take sap from pine trees off of many things....except cars....that will ruin the finish. For that baby oil is the best.
:wink:

[Lapis]

Everyone has alibis (working, school, out of town) and no unidentified prints or DNA. Infact her prints are on the duct tape and the dog hair from the A home is on the poo blankie.

Where are you getting this information from?

[Neffy]

What if the real killer were still threatening the rest of the family?

Bawahahahaaha *ahem* sorry for the outburst.

Ok IF the "real killer" were threatening the family which was her original story along with the life of Caylee at the time then it's time to turn them in AND/OR put the family in some type of protective custody. Way overdue to not name the "real killer" protect her family and get justice for the murder of her daughter.

George is in the psych ward. Cindy should be in one. The only person that's killing this family and causing them irreversable harm is Casey herself.

[*Serenity*]

What if the real killer were still threatening the rest of the family?

we would know about it
remember they were watching the kidnappers and caylee was moved 9 times

caylee may have been moved 9 times but not a living caylee

[*Serenity*]

Where are you getting this information from?
Im blowing holes in your theory!! LOL
I was coming back at your defense.

[eagleeer]

Thank you.....if Casey did use chloroform....could she safely get rid of it?? I mean without a trace??

I also remember reading that chloroform is used to cut heroin and some other illegal drug (meth?).....argh can't remember...

Yes, she could take it to a remote location and pour it out on the ground where it would rather quickly dissapate into the atmosphere as long as she protected herself from breathing it while doing so. Maybe that is what she did when her cell phone pinged near the garbage dump.

[beetlebrow]

Anybody but Casey. All they need to advance the theory is to have unidentified fingerprints or DNA. She participated in the coverup because she was protecting what was left of her family. JMO

NO......they need to show at least a semi plausible reason why someone would kill Caylee.......and I cannot imagine who/what.....

But IMO just showing there was another person there....not enough unless.......omg I just thought of something......they have to show violence in that person's past.....I can think of 2 possibilities....hmmm

[Oregongal]

Remember folks LDT will not be mentioned in the trial. We need to take this out of the equation. JMO

I do remember that Lapis, I was just mentioning it to remind myself and others that he did take a poly and passed, lest anyone get off the track and start looking sideways at Jesse.
I'm a fan of Jesse and want us all to remember he's the good guy here. Not the SOD.
:wink:

[legalmania]

Does Florida let the jury ask questions?
I followed the Cutts trial from day 1 and that jury was allowed to ask questions which I thought was so awesome!!


I haven't been in front of a judge that has, but I would have to research it. I have to get up in 6 hours so I better get some sleep if I find the answer I'll let you know sometime later today. Just to tired right now.

[Lapis]

Bawahahahaaha *ahem* sorry for the outburst.

Ok IF the "real killer" were threatening the family which was her original story along with the life of Caylee at the time then it's time to turn them in AND/OR put the family in some type of protective custody. Way overdue to not name the "real killer" protect her family and get justice for the murder of her daughter.

George is in the psych ward. Cindy should be in one. The only person that's killing this family and causing them irreversable harm is Casey herself.

She's concerned LE won't believe her because of all the lies she told in the past and now she is counting on the 12 people good and true in the box to see the truth. Once they let her go she and her family can move and mourn Caylee properly. Just a working theory.

[beetlebrow]

You know what, I noticed on Casey A actual inmate record sheet that about every three days, she is charged filing fees, for reports and records in her case. It comes to about 20.00 a week, and at first i thought, is this copies of letters, or what is this...then I realized it looked to me like Baez was charging his client to get all the copies as they were released of her case, but she is charged for each copy. NOW either SHE has those copies and has eveything in her case that we have or she is handing them blindly over to Baez. It's one thing to charge the inmate for each day they are incarcerated but these charges, if you go to the fl records for inmates showed her financial record.

I think that she knows exactly what Baez is doing, she is just not very smart, or very mature and possibly doesnt care how this turns out for her, her body language screams "I am guilty and I cant hide it nor do I care if you see it either" Well, to me any way.
:D

ITA.....while I think she is smart she lacks maturity....however she is still smarter than Baez....IMO :tonguewag:

[AbbyNormal]

wow very interesting (and creepy) theory...God I hope not but nothing would surprise me in this caseGA got me to thinking about this when he told LE about how he was going to be HONEST and how much he did not like the smell in the car. Then he goes on to say how he put his nose right down next to the stain as close as he could get. Ewwwww. I mean, who does that?

Then he repeated it to the FBI in that interview! Ewwwww.

So, that is what got me to thinking along those lines.

[2Hope4]

What if the real killer were still threatening the rest of the family?

Well yup. The real killer might not be threatening the rest of the family, but the real killer sure is killing the rest of the family, one by one. :sneaky:

George in a psychiatric center. Cindy needs to be in one, imo. Not sure where Lee is or how is doing, but I'm betting his time is coming as well. And the dear great grandparents of Caylee have a huge hole in their hearts now. Seems the only one not really affected by the murder of dear Caylee, is the killer herself! :cursing:

[Lapis]

Im blowing holes in your theory!! LOL
I was coming back at your defense.

You can only play with the facts as we know them. LOL

[nana2]

GA got me to thinking about this when he told LE about how he was going to be HONEST and how much he did not like the smell in the car. Then he goes on to say how he put his nose right down next to the stain as close as he could get. Ewwwww. I mean, who does that?

Then he repeated it to the FBI in that interview! Ewwwww.

So, that is what got me to thinking along those lines.
ya know thats true because if you have ever smelled that smell...have you?? No way could I imagine being in the same vicinity with that smell (and I was 2 apt lengths away fgs) much less put my nose up to it!!!

[Lapis]

I haven't been in front of a judge that has, but I would have to research it. I have to get up in 6 hours so I better get some sleep if I find the answer I'll let you know sometime later today. Just to tired right now.

It depends on the jurisdiction. That is the trend. I love it when they ask a question that helps my case, think its stupid when they help the other side. Don't know if they can in FLA. LOL

[Pag Boi]

"up until the paternity" :confused: Jesse took the paternity test when Caylee was 8 weeks old.

I've been a bit confused about who kept Caylee when and for how long.

It's been a while, but if memory serves me casey took off work >cough, cough< for 2 months after Caylee was born, (I believe that's what Cindy said), so that would put her going back to work >cough, cough< in October '05. Lauren Gibbs stated she babysat for her when needed for the first 8 months up until April '06. (Oct.-April would only be 6 months.)

Richard Grund said he first heard of Zanny in April '06 when casey lost her regular babysitter:

GRUND: I never saw her or spoke to her, but I did hear of her. I heard of her in April of `06, when Casey lost her regular baby-sitter. As I said, Jesse would watch her. I would watch her. She tried to get my high-school-age son to watch her, which meant I watched her because I have an office in my home.

Finally, one day when Casey came home from work to wait for Jesse and hang out with us, I kind of greeted her at the door with, What are we going to do about this baby-sitter thing? And she says, I found one. I have a nanny. Her name is Zanny, and I got her from Jeffrey Hopkins, who has a son named...

The above statement from Grund sounds like they may have only kept Caylee during the month of April until he confronted her and she told him about Zanny.

Maybe Richard, Jesse and his son babysat itermittently with Lauren. IIRC Lauren worked on the weekends.

Good post!

Casey wasn't working at all :rolleyes: It does bother me a little bit that Jesse didn't notice or at least acknowledge this. He worked at Univsersal back then, right?

[*Serenity*]

You can only play with the facts as we know them. LOL

awww now come on........ that's no fun

[beetlebrow]

It never crossed my mind other than you like to educate yourself on certain subjects, I watched a documentary on intervention about Meth and I wouldn't want to try it. I was born with lung disease and I use to have to get adrenaline shots as a child. I hated that feeling of your heart is going to pound out of your chest and shaking so bad you couldn't hold a cup but for some reason it would help me breath. Now they have medication that is not so harsh. I heard Meth wakes up a part of your brain that makes you crave and after 3 times your hooked.

I have asthma too......the drugs I took when I was a child were basically (dont jump on me eagle) speed.....ugh....other kids asked me why my hands were shaking :rolleyes:

[Lapis]

awww now come on........ that's no fun

I don't make the rules.

[beetlebrow]

Bawahahahaaha *ahem* sorry for the outburst.

Ok IF the "real killer" were threatening the family which was her original story along with the life of Caylee at the time then it's time to turn them in AND/OR put the family in some type of protective custody. Way overdue to not name the "real killer" protect her family and get justice for the murder of her daughter.

George is in the psych ward. Cindy should be in one. The only person that's killing this family and causing them irreversable harm is Casey herself.

Omg......maybe they are going to go for split personality :w00t:

[*Serenity*]

She's concerned LE won't believe her because of all the lies she told in the past and now she is counting on the 12 people good and true in the box to see the truth. Once they let her go she and her family can move and mourn Caylee properly. Just a working theory.

cough.....
you mean she is hoping they will believe her new and improved reinvented lies?

LOL

[AbbyNormal]

You can only play with the facts as we know them. LOL
Is it possible Casey is guilty of moving the body, but not guilty of the actual murder?

[Pag Boi]

You do know that necrophilia is sexual conduct with a corpse, right?



debatable if that = accepting and compliant partner

I somehow missed that gem of a post you are replying to OMG!

[Neffy]

She's concerned LE won't believe her because of all the lies she told in the past and now she is counting on the 12 people good and true in the box to see the truth. Once they let her go she and her family can move and mourn Caylee properly. Just a working theory.

Understood what your working on and why. I actually appreciate it as I know you won't stick with something that doesn't float or return with an answer of "scroll by" LOL.

If her concern is not being believed then that ship has sailed. You can not believe MISS ANTHONY including her present day excuse her lawyer will regale to a jury. I did lie but now I'm not. Uh uh. Not in a million years.

Depending on what's allowed into court I can see them using something like this.

Although the thieving may not be allowed to come into court, all the lies she's told will from working at Universal to her imaginary Nanny she pays $400.00 a week to told to several people. Even Jessie being Caylee's biological child until it's PROVED otherwise. No end to all the lies she lived by. One thing for sure she NEVER backed down until proven to be a liar.

[Lapis]

cough.....
you mean she is hoping they will believe her new and improved reinvented lies?

LOL

But of course, because she's so purty and just look at her does she look like a killer?

[Oregongal]

Its all PR baby......most people don't know the facts of the case like we do.......he is creating reasonable doubt before he goes to court....uh I mean he is trying :rolleyes:

I know BB and it makes me angry. He makes me angry. I know it's standard. I know it's his job. But, isn't he supposed to create reasonable doubt at trial? Not in the media?
As you say tho...he is trying. Somehow I think unless he has some hidden persona that is suddenly going to appear at trial, he will come off to the jurors as bumbling and ridiculous as he comes off to...at least me.
It also makes me wonder why he's not filed a COV motion and keeps saying how he's going to keep that secret?
Is he or one of his team right now out in some hobunk place somewhere in Florida campaigning and flooding those people with pro Casey newspaper articles, posters, letters or town hall meetings?
Is this something that would be legal?
I just have this horrible feeling that something like this is going on because I smell something very stinky when it comes to Baez and his co horts.
His secrecy about the COV plus his secrecy about the $$$, plus his seemingly inappropriate behavior with his client has just set my hinky meter rising to point it's going to blow.
Sorry for the rant, but phew...I feel better putting it out there.
Thanks for listening.
:smile:

[*Serenity*]

I don't make the rules.

keep trying because Casey's case is gonna be a tough one to crack

she left a trail of herself all over the place pointing right back to herself for killing her baby

I mean she loves CSI and prisonbreak so much you would have thought she would have covered her tracks a little better. LOL

[Lapis]

Is it possible Casey is guilty of moving the body, but not guilty of the actual murder?

Anything's possible. The question is: is it probable?

[Neffy]

But of course, because she's so purty and just look at her does she look like a killer?

ROFLMAO @ all the PURTY killers in the joint!

[AbbyNormal]

ya know thats true because if you have ever smelled that smell...have you?? No way could I imagine being in the same vicinity with that smell (and I was 2 apt lengths away fgs) much less put my nose up to it!!!I have only smelled animal decomp, and that is bad enough. I will trust everyone that says that human decomp is in its own category altogether!

[beetlebrow]

Yes, she could take it to a remote location and pour it out on the ground where it would rather quickly dissapate into the atmosphere as long as she protected herself from breathing it while doing so. Maybe that is what she did when her cell phone pinged near the garbage dump.

Yup......but I cant see her going to all the trouble of making it......she would buy it (but then there would be a record).

I think it was Georges.....not for nefarious purposes...probably for something stupid.....

Unless.....she was involved with some type of drug manufacture/sale....I really think this is where Baez is going to go.....I think Tone and his crew better lawyer up.

[Lapis]

Understood what your working on and why. I actually appreciate it as I know you won't stick with something that doesn't float or return with an answer of "scroll by" LOL.

If her concern is not being believed then that ship has sailed. You can not believe MISS ANTHONY including her present day excuse her lawyer will regale to a jury. I did lie but now I'm not. Uh uh. Not in a million years.

Depending on what's allowed into court I can see them using something like this.

Although the thieving may not be allowed to come into court, all the lies she's told will from working at Universal to her imaginary Nanny she pays $400.00 a week to told to several people. Even Jessie being Caylee's biological child until it's PROVED otherwise. No end to all the lies she lived by. One thing for sure she NEVER backed down until proven to be a liar.

Oh but remember that golden rule: a liar does not a murderer make

[Oregongal]

I have a theory that one or more of the men in the A family may be a necrophile.

What?!?!
:scared:

[*Serenity*]

But of course, because she's so purty and just look at her does she look like a killer?

Um did Scott Peterson look like a killer? NOOOOOOO.....
Heck even Geragos said he was a cad and a liar but not a killler...

It just won't work... and this case has way more CE than Scotty....
The jury will see right through her path of destruction and only one person had a motive and opportunity to kill Caylee and that is Casey.
NO ONE wanted Caylee or wanted Caylee dead excedpt Casey. 31 days.... her behavior for 31 days... and not one attempt to phone LE.
YET while out on bail she proved to everyone she does know how to call 911.... yeppers she sure does... she called 911 during the protests.
So if she was afraid for her family's safety over Caylee missing... it sure didn't affect her calling 911 when she was out on bail. That for sure will not sit well with the jury.

[need2no]

Good post!

Casey wasn't working at all :rolleyes: It does bother me a little bit that Jesse didn't notice or at least acknowledge this. He worked at Univsersal back then, right?

I liked your's too...GMTA, and we posted at the exact same time!

I'm getting more confused.

casey was terminated April 24, 06, so I guess she was working when Lauren babysat...so why was it stated Lauren stopped keeping Caylee when she found out casey wasn't working? Didn't she get fired for missing work too much? :confused:


IIRC Jesse met casey when he worked at Universal in loss prevention, and casey worked for Kodak. I don't know when Jesse left Universal.

Jesse and casey broke up in May of '06, so casey would have been employed the majority of the time they were together. Maybe casey was afraid Jesse would tell Cindy she wasn't working. :confused:

So...casey returned to work around Oct. '05 thru April 24 '06, and hasn't been employed since.

[Neffy]

Oh but remember that golden rule: a liar does not a murderer make

Either does a cheating cad but that didn't help Scott Peterson.

Too much circumstantial evidence to have the golden rule apply.

[beetlebrow]

What?!?!
:scared:

You really are reading way back :lol:

[AbbyNormal]

You do know that necrophilia is sexual conduct with a corpse, right?Yes. And can be similated with a "limp" partner -- that's why the chloroform.

It's just a theory.

[need2no]

Oh but remember that golden rule: a liar does not a murderer make

And...when she lies she always tells the truth.

[Lapis]

Um did Scott Peterson look like a killer? NOOOOOOO.....
Heck even Geragos said he was a cad and a liar but not a killler...

It just won't work... and this case has way more CE than Scotty....
The jury will see right through her path of destruction and only one person had a motive and opportunity to kill Caylee and that is Casey.
NO ONE wanted Caylee or wanted Caylee dead excedpt Casey. 31 days.... her behavior for 31 days... and not one attempt to phone LE.
YET while out on bail she proved to everyone she does know how to call 911.... yeppers she sure does... she called 911 during the protests.
So if she was afraid for her family's safety over Caylee missing... it sure didn't affect her calling 911 when she was out on bail. That for sure will not sit well with the jury.

Well no defense is perfect. Where's the evidence of motive? We can't read her mind. We don't have a life insurance policy or something like that.

[beetlebrow]

well she was pretty good at using Cindys credit card :lol:

Still a record exists.....may be another reason CA did not want to turn over staements....

[Lapis]

Either does a cheating cad but that didn't help Scott Peterson.

Too much circumstantial evidence to have the golden rule apply.

Oh but see a cheating cad has motive. The other woman.

[*Serenity*]

Well no defense is perfect. Where's the evidence of motive? We can't read her mind. We don't have a life insurance policy or something like that.

snothead
jealous of caylee... repeated by her mother, brother, father, and Jessie Grund
kicked out of the house no where to go with a child... not allowed to stay at TonE's....
left in a rage after fighting with cindy...
spiteful Bit#ch
this should have happened a long time ago
911 call... why do they want to talk to me

heck her book transparent

[need2no]

Still a record exists.....may be another reason CA did not want to turn over staements....

I don't understand why that info wasn't in the last doc dump...you know LE has the cc recs by now.

[Neffy]

Well no defense is perfect. Where's the evidence of motive? We can't read her mind. We don't have a life insurance policy or something like that.

This is where we need to know the facts of way Casey moved out with Caylee to her boyfriend TonE's after a whirl wind 3 weeks especially since only 1 of the 2 moved in staying there.

Cindy's myspace MY CAYLEE'S MISSING LETTER is a part of these facts.

[*Serenity*]

Oh but see a cheating cad has motive. The other woman.

A mother with no job and sleeping with TonE and partying at fusion has no nanny and Mommy dearest cut her off. One txt message was taking care of caylee was worse than having a full time job. everyone lies everyone dies
Her taste in icons are freaky at best........ she was jealous of Caylee, she wanted Cindy to babysit while she was out all night and poof... she exploded in a rage with this responsibilty... PLUS her new love did not want girl babies. She is so busted.

[Lapis]

snothead term of endearment
jealous of caylee... repeated by her mother, brother, father, and Jessie Grund so
kicked out of the house no where to go with a child... not allowed to stay at TonE's.... no evidence
left in a rage after fighting with cindy... no evidence
spiteful Bit#ch refers to not taking CA to Caylee
this should have happened a long time ago refers to calling the police
911 call... why do they want to talk to me I know where Caylee is

heck her book transparent

Answers in red are mine

[*Serenity*]

Still a record exists.....may be another reason CA did not want to turn over staements....

Oh yea... Cin tells LE she reviewed the receipts and nothing there.
Groceries. LOL.... she tried her best to hide those records and you know LE has them .....

[happygert]

Hi everyone, Just getting back on here..Didnt watch GR did he have anything on tonight? Couldn't bring myself to watch after last night..:scared:

[beetlebrow]

Well no defense is perfect. Where's the evidence of motive? We can't read her mind. We don't have a life insurance policy or something like that.

Motive.....

1. Caylee got in way of partying/being with friends her age
2. Tone no like girl children
3. Caylee loves grandma and is lukewarm on Casey (Casey loses another battle of control with Cindy)
4. Caylee is beginning to talk and will eventually bring Casey's house of pretend cards down on her head.
5. Cindy wants guardianship of Caylee which would make Casey look like a bad mom AND (this is big) Casey would LOSE the leverage that she has over her parents by having to be the one to take care of Caylee......she would no longer be able to use Caylee as a reason for needing food, shelter, money....etc.


I rest my case :w00t:

[Oregongal]

See now this is what I'm not understanding. The defense doesn't have to pin it on anyone. They're JOB *cough* is to defend Casey. The problem is she's incriminated herself by her words and circumstantial evidence at every turn. If they try to pin it on someone else without accounting for Casey's actions where does that get them? I suppose it may confuse some people but in the end I'm sure 12 jurors will see that the defense is trying to create a patsy to divert attention.

I'm with you Neffy. The defense actually doesn't have to do anything, the burden of proof falls on the pros.
They don't even have to call any witnesses. They would just have to cross the pros's witnesses to confuse and deflect.
If the defense does go the route of trying to pin it on SODDI, it could backfire in a huge way for them.
I guess because Casey has in such a big way incriminated herself they feel they have to do something to try and convince the jury that she didn't mean it, or was nervous, or something weird like that. I just don't see any jury hearing those tapes of all her lies being able to see anything the defense could bring forth that could divert or erase that from their minds.
I think Baez should order himself up all the dvd's of Law and Order. Maybe then he would get a clue. If not that, get the transcripts of the SP trial or any of the other real life trials that have convicted the accused of much less than they have on Casey.
Me thinks that Baez has been drinking in not only the Casey koolaid, but has also been mesmerized by her sociopathic 'charm's. I've been there, done that and it turned out badly. As hopefully it will turn out for him....meaning Casey is going down no matter what crazy and stupid things he does to save her.

[Lapis]

This is where we need to know the facts of way Casey moved out with Caylee to her boyfriend TonE's after a whirl wind 3 weeks especially since only 1 of the 2 moved in staying there.

Cindy's myspace MY CAYLEE'S MISSING LETTER is a part of these facts.

Yes we do.

[AbbyNormal]

Okay, that is just sick. I've heard it all now. I'm outta here.I am sorry. It is disturbing. I am just trying to explain my theory and how I arrived at it.

[Neffy]

Oh but see a cheating cad has motive. The other woman.

Casey's life with TonE didn't include having children either. It was the beautiful life. Single, clubbing yes that's the beautiful life. Casey had no money had NO job to even get a nanny. She was playing keep away with Cindy for a real or imagined vendetta. Ah the vendetta. Again we return to why Casey took off out of that house with Caylee.

The only person making it public that Caylee "is missing" although via myspace in writing but verbally to Lee and George is Cindy. Casey never said a word.

Editing again to add more people that Cindy for lack of a better word confided in that she hadn't seen Caylee were her co-workers and she may have said it to her mother also, it's late and I just dont' remember for fact that she'd mentioned this to her mother or not.

[*Serenity*]

Answers in red are mine

let me txt casey for more info



:thumbsup:

[need2no]

Answers in red are mine

Good heavens, you are a defense attorney, aren't you. :biggrin:

[Pag Boi]

I liked your's too...GMTA, and we posted at the exact same time!

I'm getting more confused.

casey was terminated April 24, 06, so I guess she was working when Lauren babysat...so why was it stated Lauren stopped keeping Caylee when she found out casey wasn't working? Didn't she get fired for missing work too much? :confused:


IIRC Jesse met casey when he worked at Universal in loss prevention, and casey worked for Kodak. I don't know when Jesse left Universal.

Jesse and casey broke up in May of '06, so casey would have been employed the majority of the time they were together. Maybe casey was afraid Jesse would tell Cindy she wasn't working. :confused:

So...casey returned to work around Oct. '05 thru April 24 '06, and hasn't been employed since.

N2N help me out.....again.


I thought Casey quit showing up for work after Caylee was born? IIRC she only made a few hundred $ in the 1st Qtr 2006. Her 4th Qtr earnings from 2005 = a couple thousand $. Maybe 20 hrs/wk if we're generous. Am I mixed up? TIA

[Lapis]

A mother with no job and sleeping with TonE and partying at fusion has no nanny and Mommy dearest cut her off. One txt message was taking care of caylee was worse than having a full time job. everyone lies everyone dies
Her taste in icons are freaky at best........ she was jealous of Caylee, she wanted Cindy to babysit while she was out all night and poof... she exploded in a rage with this responsibilty... PLUS her new love did not want girl babies. She is so busted.

bordering on speculation.....

[beetlebrow]

I don't understand why that info wasn't in the last doc dump...you know LE has the cc recs by now.

Maybe now we know? :confused:

[Lapis]

Motive.....

1. Caylee got in way of partying/being with friends her age
2. Tone no like girl children
3. Caylee loves grandma and is lukewarm on Casey (Casey loses another battle of control with Cindy)
4. Caylee is beginning to talk and will eventually bring Casey's house of pretend cards down on her head.
5. Cindy wants guardianship of Caylee which would make Casey look like a bad mom AND (this is big) Casey would LOSE the leverage that she has over her parents by having to be the one to take care of Caylee......she would no longer be able to use Caylee as a reason for needing food, shelter, money....etc.


I rest my case :w00t:

I like 4 & 5. The others are not strong enough for me

[AbbyNormal]

Hi everyone, Just getting back on here..Didnt watch GR did he have anything on tonight? Couldn't bring myself to watch after last night..:scared:Hi -- GR big exclusive with CinA was a replay of a July interview. (GR wasn't even there. Kimberly G. was guest hosting)

[*Serenity*]

Good heavens, you are a defense attorney, aren't you. :biggrin:

Probably one of Baez's new students.
Oh well ... if it is it is......... good practice... has to be better than anything Jose can do cause he is too smitten to do his job.

[Lapis]

Good heavens, you are a defense attorney, aren't you. :biggrin:

I try I try. Its so much easier to tear down than build up.

[AbbyNormal]

Motive.....

1. Caylee got in way of partying/being with friends her age
2. Tone no like girl children
3. Caylee loves grandma and is lukewarm on Casey (Casey loses another battle of control with Cindy)
4. Caylee is beginning to talk and will eventually bring Casey's house of pretend cards down on her head.
5. Cindy wants guardianship of Caylee which would make Casey look like a bad mom AND (this is big) Casey would LOSE the leverage that she has over her parents by having to be the one to take care of Caylee......she would no longer be able to use Caylee as a reason for needing food, shelter, money....etc.


I rest my case :w00t:
What? It's not, No more questions????

[need2no]

Probably one of Baez's new students.
Oh well ... if it is it is......... good practice... has to be better than anything Jose can do cause he is too smitten to do his job.


But what WE don't know yet....will hurt casey.

[Lapis]

Probably one of Baez's new students.
Oh well ... if it is it is......... good practice... has to be better than anything Jose can do cause he is too smitten to do his job.

Now you've gone and blown my cover LOL

[need2no]

I try I try. Its so much easier to tear down than build up.

I agree with that!

[Pag Boi]

Yes. And can be similated with a "limp" partner -- that's why the chloroform.

It's just a theory.

:eek: :eek:

Limp body and dead corpse are not interchangeable JMOO

If anyone in that family has such sexual proclivities, Casey would be my first guess. JMOO

Not that I support this theory. Just saying

[nana2]

I know its late so will forgive anyone not wanting to search but does anyone have handy where to find where Tony dosen't want female children? I have seen it referenced plenty of times so don't doubt it, just would like to read it in its original context.
TIA

[*Serenity*]

bordering on speculation.....


NOPE
She was sleeping at TonE's and almost full time according to TonE and the roomie. SHE was partying nightly at fusion lounge... photos and all of her txt messages. She was bar hopping around town... proven by all txt messages. White parties, anything but clothes parties... all documented and verified with txt mssg phone records and photos.
Where was Caylee?

Proven Cin didn't have Caylee... proven the nanny is BS.... so where was Caylee?

No speculation at all for Casey's activities.

Blockbuster the first thing right off the bat....
Then shopping at Target.... no Caylee
Bank video getting Amy's cash... no Caylee....

All her friends continued to ask where Caylee was... LE has all reports on record... Caylee was at the beach, universal, disney, with the nanny. The nanny had a car wreck... verified no wreck and no nanny at the hospital.

[beetlebrow]

I like 4 & 5. The others are not strong enough for me

Actually I changed my mind, This whole thing is about #3. Battle for control (victory). Casey kills Caylee and Cindy can no longer hold it over her head....bye bye mom....I'll just go find a man to support me.
The proof is in every interaction between the two.

[Lapis]

NOPE
She was sleeping at TonE's and almost full time according to TonE and the roomie. SHE was partying nightly at fusion lounge... photos and all of her txt messages. She was bar hopping around town... proven by all txt messages. White parties, anything but clothes parties... all documented and verified with txt mssg phone records and photos.
Where was Caylee?

Proven Cin didn't have Caylee... proven the nanny is BS.... so where was Caylee?



No speculation at all for Casey's activities.

Blockbuster the first thing right off the bat....
Then shopping at Target.... no Caylee
Bank video getting Amy's cash... no Caylee....

All her friends continued to ask where Caylee was... LE has all reports on record... Caylee was at the beach, universal, disney, with the nanny. The nanny had a car wreck... verified no wreck and no nanny at the hospital.

Was referring to comments on rage etc.....

[*Serenity*]

But what WE don't know yet....will hurt casey.


What do u mean ???
I don't get where u r going here. I think I'm tired or maybe just a little slowwwwwwwwwww.............

[beetlebrow]

What? It's not, No more questions????

Dont be RIDICUlLOUS!!!!.......I can change my mind on a dime :wink:

[Neffy]

I know its late so will forgive anyone not wanting to search but does anyone have handy where to find where Tony dosen't want female children? I have seen it referenced plenty of times so don't doubt it, just would like to read it in its original context.
TIA

Sorry, read a lot of these posts but don't recall reading anything in this regard.

Even so, I didn't pay much mind to it. It's a ridiculous thing to say and I don't know one guy ever in my life time that has ever said I can't wait to have kids and I hope their girls.

[*Serenity*]

Now you've gone and blown my cover LOL


keep thinking.......... Jose needs one of his students to teach him a thang or two! First would be to do his homework instead of midnite runs to the jail.

LOL

[Lapis]

i know... that was my point... it would link to Cindys credit card

I don't think she did that... but she is a diabolical thinker... so I wouldnt have been surprised to hear she ordered it with Cindys credit card :ohmy:

Or anybody's credit card. How much could the stuff cost? If it doesn't cost too much anybody even if they check their statements might have figured they just didn't remember the charge. JMO

[beetlebrow]

i know... that was my point... it would link to Cindys credit card

I don't think she did that... but she is a diabolical thinker... so I wouldnt have been surprised to hear she ordered it with Cindys credit card :ohmy:

Ya she was really good at the grand scheme of things.....but not so good on details.......of course she coyuld always LIE :w00t:

[AbbyNormal]

:eek: :eek:

Limp body and dead corpse are not interchangeable JMOO

If anyone in that family has such sexual proclivities, Casey would be my first guess. JMOO

Not that I support this theory. Just saying

Just a theory. (I would prefer to be wrong)! It was GA's statements to LE and FBI that started me thinking along those lines.

[*Serenity*]

Was referring to comments on rage etc.....

awww.... now u were still on motive
when did u change to rage?

Heck Casey is in a rage at the drop of a hat... watch her jailhouse vids
AND her very first phone call home was rage... heck she didn't want to discuss Caylee at all she just wanted that boyfriends number. LOL

[happygert]

1) Decomp in trunk.
2) Hair with death band MDA Dna.. all accounted for except Caylee
3) Dog hit on car ,playhouse, by pool, and sanbox
4) Caylee's remains found where casey used to party and bury her pets.
5) Casey Last one to see Caylee alive on June 15th
6) casey didnt report her missing, never told anyone
7) casey lying to LE
8) NO nanny
9) Evidence found with Caylee
10) evidence from the maggots..

I dont know if any of these or all of these have been wrote ...How are they going to explain this away...

[Lapis]

Sorry, read a lot of these posts but don't recall reading anything in this regard.

Even so, I didn't pay much mind to it. It's a ridiculous thing to say and I don't know one guy ever in my life time that has ever said I can't wait to have kids and I hope their girls.


Ask my father, the father of 4 girls and no boys. He'll tell you in your old age you'll have your daughters to take care of you.

[Pag Boi]

Well no defense is perfect. Where's the evidence of motive? We can't read her mind. We don't have a life insurance policy or something like that.

Motive is not required so there is no evidence is necessary.
Those 31 days coupled with all her lies/behavior on 7/16 will be very difficult for her to overcome.

[Lapis]

That would be speculation.

Now you're learning to think like a lawyer.

[*Serenity*]

Or anybody's credit card. How much could the stuff cost? If it doesn't cost too much anybody even if they check their statements might have figured they just didn't remember the charge. JMO

Im not surprised we haven't heard of her ripping more of her friends off.
I think she may have chlorformed Amy when that cash came up missing and Casey convinced Amy she was sleep walking or some chit....

[need2no]

What do u mean ???
I don't get where u r going here. I think I'm tired or maybe just a little slowwwwwwwwwww.............

You know the old saying...what you don't know won't hurt you.

I just changed it up a bit...what WE don't know (facts in the case that have not been shared with public yet) will hurt casey.

fingerprints on duct tape?
JC Penney and other CC's-what did casey order
connection with Winnie the Pooh blanket?
Annie's interview
Mark's interview
Toxicology report
etc etc etc

There is still a lot we haven't heard about yet.