Sunday, February 1st Part I

[*MoonRider*]

Good Morning. My first thread. :biggrin:

[msgatorslayer]

Good job!! And G'morning!

I bet this weekend would have been BIG for Casey Anthony, the "Event Planner". She would have reported to 'work' last night and rubbed elbows with Paris Hilton at the Hard Rock. She'd be MIA today with all the pre-game shows, lmao. Oh, and be in charge of the 2k volunteers who will rush the stage for Bruce Springsteen.

Please take time out today to remember Carlie Brucia. In 2004, as the the world was watching the big game, she was being abducted, raped, and murdered. :rose:

[n/t]

She must be so pissed she could hardly swallow.

[*MoonRider*]

Wonder why Cindy was a no show on Geraldo last night? Glad I didn't stay up to hear Jose whining again. He keeps complaining about discovery being leaked. What difference does it make? It will eventually all come out and he will have to deal with it at trial which could be a year away. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. My heartfelt condolences to who ever stayed up on cynthiawatch and were disappointed. Perhaps she'll be on tonight's show?

I agree n/t, that first jailhouse phone call reveals what a monster casey anthony truly is, the jury will be appalled to hear it, imo.

Rest in Peace little Carlie. :rose:

[n/t]

Wonder why Cindy was a no show on Geraldo last night? Glad I didn't stay up to hear Jose whining again. He keeps complaining about discovery being leaked. What difference does it make? It will eventually all come out and he will have to deal with it at trial which could be a year away. jmo

I didn't watch because I don't get Fox but read the updates from our wonderful posters last night, I couldn't help but laugh at the ridiculous statement made that they found out about the duct tape from the People Magazine article. Do they really think we're that stupid?

Was Jose Baez waiting in line at the check out at the grocery store when he picked up a copy of People Magazine and read about there? C'mon....Jose. You can do better than that!

He needs another smack down from Judge Strickland. Do your homework, JOSE!:rolleyes:

[msgatorslayer]

Wonder why Cindy was a no show on Geraldo last night? Glad I didn't stay up to hear Jose whining again. He keeps complaining about discovery being leaked. What difference does it make? It will eventually all come out and he will have to deal with it at trial which could be a year away. jmo

She either :chicken: out at the last moment or Geraldo was just talking smack. Probably the later. I think Cindy's days of Cindyisms in interviews are FINALLY over. Nobody believes her and there is nothing she can continue to say that will make her Daughter look like a mother of the year. IMO

Baez is a whiner! If he took a peek around at other cases, he'd see that alot of discovery info is released to the public. But since, IMO, he's used to being a low level criminal defense attorney with average Joe's as clients, he knows nothing about the big time crimes, and especially, high profile ones. Someone said that he's tried one murder case and lost. He's outta his league, IMO.

[AMS]

Wonder why Cindy was a no show on Geraldo last night? Glad I didn't stay up to hear Jose whining again. He keeps complaining about discovery being leaked. What difference does it make? It will eventually all come out and he will have to deal with it at trial which could be a year away. jmo

A number of posters emailed the Geraldo show last night regarding "no Cindy". Wonder if they wil get back they typical Geraldo show "snot-o-gram"?

We did learn one very important fact one the show, however. According to Linda KB, Casey's big smile in court was for Linda. They had just met the day before and she ws happy to see Linda and of course, Jose. Kumbaya for the defense team.

IMO.

[marshmallow]

I didn't watch because I don't get Fox but read the updates from our wonderful posters last night, I couldn't help but laugh at the ridiculous statement made that they found out about the duct tape from the People Magazine article. Do they really think we're that stupid?

Was Jose Baez waiting in line at the check out at the grocery store when he picked up a copy of People Magazine and read about there? C'mon....Jose. You can do better than that!

He needs another smack down from Judge Strickland. Do your homework, JOSE!:rolleyes:



I deliberately missed the Geraldo show last night and from what I've read I missed nada but please...did Baez really say he learned about the duct tape from People magazine?
what was Geraldo's reply to that?

[n/t]

I deliberately missed the Geraldo show last night and from what I've read I missed nada but please...did Baez really say he learned about the duct tape from People magazine?
what was Geraldo's reply to that?


I'll try to look for the transcripts but AMS is here and she was one of the posters giving us updates, so maybe she can tell us what the defense claimed on the Geraldo show about the duct tape discovery.

[CANDYKISSES]

Quoting myself, I meant Joy, not Jill.

Who knows? Maybe she's on duty WATCHING the imaginary kidnappers....:ohmy: JMO

[*MoonRider*]

She either :chicken: out at the last moment or Geraldo was just talking smack. Probably the later. I think Cindy's days of Cindyisms in interviews are FINALLY over. Nobody believes her and there is nothing she can continue to say that will make her Daughter look like a mother of the year. IMO

Baez is a whiner! If he took a peek around at other cases, he'd see that alot of discovery info is released to the public. But since, IMO, he's used to being a low level criminal defense attorney with average Joe's as clients, he knows nothing about the big time crimes, and especially, high profile ones. Someone said that he's tried one murder case and lost. He's outta his league, IMO.

I think Jose was upset that he wasn't mentioned in the People article but Conway was. jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

I deliberately missed the Geraldo show last night and from what I've read I missed nada but please...did Baez really say he learned about the duct tape from People magazine?
what was Geraldo's reply to that?

Geraldo was in sucking up mode last night and my favorite was when Jose spoke of his secret trial plan. You know he will not disclose where he wants the trial, as Geraldo suggested Miami....:rolleyes:

Jose quickly told him HE COULDN'T SAY because the MEDIA would head there to put it all out there....:sneaky: (paraphrased, but I'm sure you get the drift.)

[cherish]

Where was Caylee really....

when Casey said she was with the nanny?

nothing else matters

[AMS]

I'll try to look for the transcripts but AMS is here and she was one of the posters giving us updates, so maybe she can tell us what the defense claimed on the Geraldo show about the duct tape discovery.


She didn't give much detail. She said they got their recent discovery from the People magazine that talked about duct tape. Here's the youtube of the segment. It's only 5 minutes so the pain of watching isn't too intense. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlWT7dj0B8

[CANDYKISSES]

I think Jose was upset that he wasn't mentioned in the People article but Conway was. jmo

Uh-oh, I feel another PC coming on Moon....:laugh:

Jose and LKB are all washed up and they know it. There is nothing they can do to outrun WHAT HIS CLIENT HAS DONE. IF only he had encouraged her to tell the TRUTH, she could have put it out before it went NATIONWIDE and likely gotten a decent plea.

BUT NO, BECAUSE JOSE HIMSELF SAW A WAY TO MAKE A CAREER off of THE UNTIMELY DEATH OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY, his client will now do hard time if there is any justice in this world left to be had IMOO.:unsure:

[n/t]

She didn't give much detail. She said they got their recent discovery from the People magazine that talked about duct tape. Here's the youtube of the segment. It's only 5 minutes so the pain of watching isn't too intense. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlWT7dj0B8

Thank you for looking that up, AMS!

[marshmallow]

She didn't give much detail. She said they got their recent discovery from the People magazine that talked about duct tape. Here's the youtube of the segment. It's only 5 minutes so the pain of watching isn't too intense. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlWT7dj0B8

thank you!

I know they say these things to try to make it look like they're being slighted by the prosecution but all it does is make them look like total idiots who cannot handle their jobs. It does sway the public but not in their favor.

[AMS]

thank you!

I know they say these things to try to make it look like they're being slighted by the prosecution but all it does is make them look like total idiots who cannot handle their jobs. It does sway the public but not in their favor.

ITA - they look WHINY and unprepared IMO.

[desmom]

She didn't give much detail. She said they got their recent discovery from the People magazine that talked about duct tape. Here's the youtube of the segment. It's only 5 minutes so the pain of watching isn't too intense. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlWT7dj0B8

Thanks for the link.

Was there anything in the People article about the duct tape that was not in the discovery documents? TIA

[marshmallow]

ITA - they look WHINY and unprepared IMO.



I noted that Linda calls Casey a "woman" and Jose usually refers to her as a "girl"

[marshmallow]

George Staying in Hospital thru Weekend.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18611283/detail.html


scroll down



I'm glad to hear that he'll be transferring to another facility Sun. or Mon. he needs to have help coping with all this and I really think for his sake, he's better off out of that house.

[Destini]

I find it really hard to believe they found out about the duct tape from People magazine. Jose is asking for the discovery to be released. Then the media is getting the info. (and us) under the Sunshine law.

So are they not reviewing the discovery when they get it or what?

If so, I don't think I'd admit that on national TV if I were them. Maybe he needs to hire 2-3 more paralegals if he can't stay up to date.

I am so, so afraid there will be an appeal & overturn eventually on ineffective assistance. I hope the judge is watching closely.

[Regina.Lampert]

Uh-oh, I feel another PC coming on Moon....:laugh:

Jose and LKB are all washed up and they know it. There is nothing they can do to outrun WHAT HIS CLIENT HAS DONE. IF only he had encouraged her to tell the TRUTH, she could have put it out before it went NATIONWIDE and likely gotten a decent plea.

BUT NO, BECAUSE JOSE HIMSELF SAW A WAY TO MAKE A CAREER off of THE UNTIMELY DEATH OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY, his client will now do hard time if there is any justice in this world left to be had IMOO.:unsure:

I agree Candy. When the OC is finally convicted and all settle into her new room, there will be much analysis over how she could have gotten a better sentence had she cooperated with LE and claimed it was an accident. She made a huge mistake with the lies and so did mommy and daddy, who swore to them. IMO. Add in baez the incompetent and I see a sentence of Life without the possibility of pararole for this 22 year old.

[AMS]

Thanks for the link.

Was there anything in the People article about the duct tape that was not in the discovery documents? TIA

Here's the part from the article on the duct tape:

"You have to think about a person who would duct tape a child," says Pat Brown, a Washington-based criminal profiler who is familiar with the case. "Nobody is going to duct tape a child after she is dead". A source close to the investigation told People the duct tape is "of considerable value". When pressed on whether that means fingerprtints have been found on the tape, the source would only say, "Read between the lines."

IMO

[*MoonRider*]

Thanks for the link.

Was there anything in the People article about the duct tape that was not in the discovery documents? TIA

A source close to the investigation told People the duct tape is "of considerable value." When pressed on whether that means fingerprints have been found on the tape, the source would only say, "Read between the lines." Bombshell. jmo

[desmom]

Thanks KitNCaboodle, AMS & *MoonRider*.

I found the People article at http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3933200/Caylee-Anthony-People-Magazine

[Kathlb]

Thanks for the link to the video of last night. I missed it. :-( Didn't miss much I see. More whining. I wonder if Conway didn't put a stop to Cindy's appearance? And isn't George due to be discharged soon?

Oh.. and good morning everyone! :seeya:

Edit... while I was typing my questions were answered above. :-) Thanks!!

[Kathlb]

LKB saying that they learned of the duct tape from People Magazine is unbelievably stupid. The discovery was released to them before we even got it. How dumb do they think the public is?! For such a "high profile" lawyer, she is catching Baez' stupidity.

[msgatorslayer]

I find it really hard to believe they found out about the duct tape from People magazine. Jose is asking for the discovery to be released. Then the media is getting the info. (and us) under the Sunshine law.

So are they not reviewing the discovery when they get it or what?

If so, I don't think I'd admit that on national TV if I were them. Maybe he needs to hire 2-3 more paralegals if he can't stay up to date.

I am so, so afraid there will be an appeal & overturn eventually on ineffective assistance. I hope the judge is watching closely.

ITA - We're watching ineffective councel now and the trial hasn't even started.

Ms. Baden best start mentoring Baez.

[marshmallow]

Thanks for the link to the video of last night. I missed it. :-( Didn't miss much I see. More whining. I wonder if Conway didn't put a stop to Cindy's appearance? And isn't George due to be discharged soon?

Oh.. and good morning everyone! :seeya:

Edit... while I was typing my questions were answered above. :-) Thanks!!




if Geraldo knew Cindy wasn't giving an interview, they could've changed the web info.
I'd write to them but last time I did they were pretty rude in their reply.

of course yesterday I asked Geraldo, Greta, NG, and JvM if they were going to be covering the Todd Black mystery and looking into his ties to Baez. No word back from any of them yet.

[JLP]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by JLP
the bug and plant experts will shoot that theory all to hell.

The defense has already said the plant growth is beginning to obscure the site. That's why they need to get in there to inspect it. They will get an expert to say that the plant growth in the bones, if any, would have grown fast enough for the body to have been put there after KC was back in jail. "Experts" can say just enough to not lie, but it may not be the truth either. I don't think they will win, tho. JMO
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Last night, I said to my friend, “I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug.”
She got up, unplugged the Computer, and threw out my wine.
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I no longer believe and respect the "EXperts" like i use to.
Dr. Lee , for example, has sold his soul so many times.

[really3997]

Either Cindy will be on tonight along with the proving what is fact and what is rumor since that also wasn't covered. Or I am going with my first theory that when Geraldo "sat down" with Cindy is was the day George left at 8:30 no wait 10:30 and never came back. If the second is the case Geraldo cannot show that interview because it will become very apparent that this is the appointment that George missed. JMO

[velvetbrown]

Great 1st thread MoonRider! RIP Angel Carlie, somehow I feel your spirit watching over your peers and keeping them safe...Waiting for more info on this trial...something tells me it's only going to get weirder...

[Kathlb]

G'morning Kathlb :)

I wonder if anything new will surface today... I've never seen a case where we get knew information so often

Hi Kit!
Maybe that George has been transferred to a hospital closer to home? I think he knows he needs to stay out of that home and away from Cindy for awhile at least. She's toxic like her daughter.

[Destini]

A source close to the investigation told People the duct tape is "of considerable value." When pressed on whether that means fingerprints have been found on the tape, the source would only say, "Read between the lines." Bombshell. jmo

Seems to me fingerprint evidence on the tape would be the most important evidence to date .... has Jose asked for this little bit of info.? Obviously someone knows the answer to what's on that tape. Why is Jose wasting his time with all these motions & not trying to get that report ASAP? Or has he & I just missed it?

Because if Casey's prints are on that tape, he needs to convince his girl to plead IMO and stop wasting time & taxpayer's money keeping this charade going.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree Candy. When the OC is finally convicted and all settle into her new room, there will be much analysis over how she could have gotten a better sentence had she cooperated with LE and claimed it was an accident. She made a huge mistake with the lies and so did mommy and daddy, who swore to them. IMO. Add in baez the incompetent and I see a sentence of Life without the possibility of pararole for this 22 year old.

Yes Regina and George should have known better on that front IMO. He could have been instrumental in bringing this to closure much sooner too. But then again, when he stepped up to the plate with LE, remember they outed him after he requested they NOT TELL CYNTHIA. :angry:

JMO

[trich]

Thanks for the link.

Was there anything in the People article about the duct tape that was not in the discovery documents? TIA

How come we all knew about the duct tape and the defense didn't?
How stupid is that?

[JLP]

Good morning,
thanks for the new post. I copied one and replied from last night. Once a thread is closed i dont know how you answer.

anyway, i hope everyone has a good day, well not everyone. Casey..

[Kathlb]

Seems to me fingerprint evidence on the tape would be the most important evidence to date .... has Jose asked for this little bit of info.? Obviously someone knows the answer to what's on that tape. Why is Jose wasting his time with all these motions & not trying to get that report ASAP? Or has he & I just missed it?

Because if Casey's prints are on that tape, he needs to convince his girl to plead IMO and stop wasting time & taxpayer's money keeping this charade going.

Just my opinion, but I think he's caught between a rock and a hard place now. He didn't want to bring up the fingerprint motion at the hearing because he isn't telling Casey that and she was there. He wants her to think they are winning this pre trial mess so she won't plead out. Now with her at every hearing, he is reluctant to bring it up.

[Pruddennce]

ITA - they look WHINY and unprepared IMO.

you got that right AMS....

the fact that they are giving even one minute of their time to appear on a tabloid show reflects badly on the 'team'....shouldnt they be burning the midnight oil, preparing for a murder one trial?

note to Baez and company: there is alot to be said about preparedness and presenting your motions properly to the court and not a tabloid host.

best regards,
Pru

[PuffDragon]

Wonder why Cindy was a no show on Geraldo last night? Glad I didn't stay up to hear Jose whining again. He keeps complaining about discovery being leaked. What difference does it make? It will eventually all come out and he will have to deal with it at trial which could be a year away. jmo

What annoys me is that they keep acting like these 'leaks' are something that LE has chosen to do.

[marshmallow]

a comment about something from last night's thread:

re: the wedding. I really think Cindy made Casey go to the wedding hoping it would force her to admit she was pregnant. Kind of a power play.

[Regina.Lampert]

Seems to me fingerprint evidence on the tape would be the most important evidence to date .... has Jose asked for this little bit of info.? Obviously someone knows the answer to what's on that tape. Why is Jose wasting his time with all these motions & not trying to get that report ASAP? Or has he & I just missed it?

Because if Casey's prints are on that tape, he needs to convince his girl to plead IMO and stop wasting time & taxpayer's money keeping this charade going.

Hiya Des! I think baez and baden looked foolish last night, whining that they are getting their "evidence" from the media. IIRC, they have criticized that same media for publishing inaccurate news stories.

IMO, the duct tape evidence has not been released thru a "written" report from the FBI as yet. A preliminary verbal report has more then likely been given to the OCSD and the prosecution, imo.

[msgatorslayer]

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Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007
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__________________
Last night, I said to my friend, “I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug.”
She got up, unplugged the Computer, and threw out my wine.
++++++++++++++++++
I no longer believe and respect the "EXperts" like i use to.
Dr. Lee , for example, has sold his soul so many times.

SNIPPED

ROTFLMAO!!! Priceless!!! OMG!!!!:thumbsup: [rolling santa]

[Destini]

ITA - We're watching ineffective councel now and the trial hasn't even started.

Ms. Baden best start mentoring Baez.

They are doing it to themselves. They need to just stay off the airwaves if they are going to make stoopid statements like they are getting their info. from reporters & People magazine.

IMO Casey is going down no matter what, but if I were her parents I would be looking around & sending a more qualified attorney over to talk to her pronto. I really don't get it. Maybe they've given up (Cindy & George).

[PuffDragon]

LKB saying that they learned of the duct tape from People Magazine is unbelievably stupid. The discovery was released to them before we even got it. How dumb do they think the public is?! For such a "high profile" lawyer, she is catching Baez' stupidity.

Well maybe she learned about it from People magazine.

[n/t]

a comment about something from last night's thread:

re: the wedding. I really think Cindy made Casey go to the wedding hoping it would force her to admit she was pregnant. Kind of a power play.

Sort of like the 911 call when she wanted to report her car stolen? Wasn't that why she wanted to take Casey to the police station to have her arrested and then it turned out that Caylee was "missing"?

Did Cindy know Caylee was missing? Remember her July 3rd MySpace post? Was Cindy's involvement a ploy to get Casey to admit that she gave Caylee up for adoption or......?

[trich]

Originally Posted by *MoonRider*
A source close to the investigation told People the duct tape is "of considerable value." When pressed on whether that means fingerprints have been found on the tape, the source would only say, "Read between the lines."



You know that is such a vague statement.
But too bad the person was not just asked outright ....are Casey's fingerprints on the duct tape.
Bet they would not have said "read between the lines " then.
Personally I hope they are but truthfully anyone can say what this person, close to the investigation said, and let everyone jump to their own conclusions.
that leads to another question....when discovery was released and the fact that there was duct tape stuck on the hair...why didn't Baez go to LE and ask them if Casey's prints were on the tape.
Wouldn't the le have to tell him the truth?

[augustus]

Don't know if this has been asked and answered already..but who's paying for George's hospital stay? Do they still have health insurance even tho neither one of them is working?

Same with the funeral home. I'm sure they charge for each day that poor Caylee's remains are kept there...
TIA.

[velvetbrown]

They are doing it to themselves. They need to just stay off the airwaves if they are going to make stoopid statements like they are getting their info. from reporters & People magazine.

IMO Casey is going down no matter what, but if I were her parents I would be looking around & sending a more qualified attorney over to talk to her pronto. I really don't get it. Maybe they've given up (Cindy & George).

I think that the plan is for KC to cry that she had 'poor council' after she gets convicted and get herself a new trial (and even more attention)...

[PuffDragon]

a comment about something from last night's thread:

re: the wedding. I really think Cindy made Casey go to the wedding hoping it would force her to admit she was pregnant. Kind of a power play.

How do you think Cindy could have forced Casey to do anything that Casey didn't want to do?

[msgatorslayer]

They are doing it to themselves. They need to just stay off the airwaves if they are going to make stoopid statements like they are getting their info. from reporters & People magazine.

IMO Casey is going down no matter what, but if I were her parents I would be looking around & sending a more qualified attorney over to talk to her pronto. I really don't get it. Maybe they've given up (Cindy & George).

Her parents could have helped her more in the early days, IMO. Now, it is too late. We've heard George in his very early interviews tell LE that he didn't like Baez.

Now that Casey is wrapped tightly under the Baez finger, nobody, even her parents, can get to her. To talk some sense in her about how ineffective Baez really is. Maybe, just maybe, Casey will figure it out on her own as she attends more hearings and Baez bumbles.

[Myka]

I'm glad to hear that he'll be transferring to another facility Sun. or Mon. he needs to have help coping with all this and I really think for his sake, he's better off out of that house.

ITA, he doesn't have any 'friends" that we know of, everyone needs a good friend to vent to from time to time

[n/t]

Well maybe she learned about it from People magazine.

Shouldn't they be communicating with each other? Baez and LKB?:huh:

I'm not buying any of it. It's spin. It's more whining. They're trying to convince the public that everyone is against them and they're getting the short end of the stick. Smart people will see through the BS. But then it takes one juror to think there is this big conspiracy against the defense and Casey Anthony. :rolleyes:

[Pag Boi]

Geraldo was in sucking up mode last night and my favorite was when Jose spoke of his secret trial plan. You know he will not disclose where he wants the trial, as Geraldo suggested Miami....:rolleyes:

Jose quickly told him HE COULDN'T SAY because the MEDIA would head there to put it all out there....:sneaky: (paraphrased, but I'm sure you get the drift.)


Does Jose have any influence on where the trial would be moved IF a cov motion was filed/granted?

[Kathlb]

Well maybe she learned about it from People magazine.

Well, if so, that's even worse, since it means Baez isn't sharing discovery with his co-council. Jeesh.

[marshmallow]

How do you think Cindy could have forced Casey to do anything that Casey didn't want to do?



I think Cindy and Casey have been playing out these power struggles Casey's entire life. They know each other's sore spots, they know each other's weak spots, and they butt heads often. What little we've heard from outsiders like Jesse and Rick shows that Cindy and Casey played games with each other and verbally abused each other. I think Caylee was a weapon and a bargaining chip well before she was born and most definitely after she was born.

[Pruddennce]

Yes Regina and George should have known better on that front IMO. He could have been instrumental in bringing this to closure much sooner too. But then again, when he stepped up to the plate with LE, remember they outed him after he requested they NOT TELL CYNTHIA. :angry:

JMO

how dense was George? let me buddy up with you guys? dont tell my wife? this was a missing child case at that moment in time. it was not a time for secrets. and it still isnt. but the Anthonys are accustomed to secrets and lies. a missing granddaughter wasnt going to alter their behaviour, and going forward both of them attempted to manipulate the investigation by withholding information. (George said it himself in his 'buddy interview' with LE).

LE were doing their job. George requested that interview to unburden himself. IMO. he had an opportunity to separate himself PERMANENTLY from Cindy and her agenda.

he chose Cindy. too bad for him. LE is not responsible for his poor choices.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[*MoonRider*]

ITA, he doesn't have any 'friends" that we know of, everyone needs a good friend to vent to from time to time
His best friends appear to be Dennis Milstead and Dominic Casey. Perhaps this is another part of his problem and why he doesn't want to go home. jmo

[Kathlb]

Does Jose have any influence on where the trial would be moved IF a cov motion was filed/granted?

He can express his wishes I think, but the final decision is up to the judge from what I've read.

[PuffDragon]

Well, if so, that's even worse, since it means Baez isn't sharing discovery with his co-council. Jeesh.

That being my point.

[Pag Boi]

She didn't give much detail. She said they got their recent discovery from the People magazine that talked about duct tape. Here's the youtube of the segment. It's only 5 minutes so the pain of watching isn't too intense. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlWT7dj0B8

Funny, when I read the People article, I couldn't help but wonder if they had gotten their details from this board. Besides a pix of the hotel and some quips from LE that found George, the article's new deets were discussed on this board months ago, i.e. rick & cindy's email exchanges last August.

[Kathlb]

That being my point.

Yep, I saw your post after I did mine, Puff. We both agree ineptitude abounds in the Def. camp.

[velvetbrown]

Funny, when I read the People article, I couldn't help but wonder if they had gotten their details from this board. Besides a pix of the hotel and some quips from LE that found George, the article's new deets were discussed on this board months ago, i.e. rick & cindy's email exchanges last August.

Yeah, they should pay US!

[Pag Boi]

He can express his wishes I think, but the final decision is up to the judge from what I've read.


Thank you!

[Pruddennce]

a comment about something from last night's thread:

re: the wedding. I really think Cindy made Casey go to the wedding hoping it would force her to admit she was pregnant. Kind of a power play.


I have a different take on that, referencing her brother's interview with LE.....

she was 7 months pregnant at the time...she wasnt supposed to be there at his wedding...IMO, Cindy was safeguarding her condition....she didnt want to leave her home alone that far into her pregnancy.

IMO, this family lies to one another and at that time George and Cindy were not getting along (he filed for divorce 4 months after Caylee was born).....IMO they hardly looked at one another and it wouldnt surprise me if GA hardly looked at Casey.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[PuffDragon]

I think Cindy and Casey have been playing out these power struggles Casey's entire life. They know each other's sore spots, they know each other's weak spots, and they butt heads often. What little we've heard from outsiders like Jesse and Rick shows that Cindy and Casey played games with each other and verbally abused each other. I think Caylee was a weapon and a bargaining chip well before she was born and most definitely after she was born.

So, are you saying.....??

A) that Casey didn't want to go but Cindy insisted
B) that Cindy didn't want her to go but Casey insisted
C) that Casey said okay I'll go but I'm wearing what I want
D) that Cindy said okay you can go but you're wearing what I say you'll wear and it's not that dress
E) That Casey said I'm going and wearing this dress and you can't do anything about it
F) that Cindy said oh okay, whatever.

[daHawg]

Shouldn't they be communicating with each other? Baez and LKB?:huh:

I'm not buying any of it. It's spin. It's more whining. They're trying to convince the public that everyone is against them and they're getting the short end of the stick. Smart people will see through the BS. But then it takes one juror to think there is this big conspiracy against the defense and Casey Anthony. :rolleyes:

I am not buying it either n/t. There is no way that Jose didn't see that search warrant that had the info about the duct tape on it when the Dec. 11 search was conducted. IIRC he went to the A's house while Lee was there the day that Lee took down the little memorial out in front of the A's house. He knew and knows what was taken from the house before it came out in discovery including the following search on Dec. 20th. IMO

[PuffDragon]

His best friends appear to be Dennis Milstead and Dominic Casey. Perhaps this is another part of his problem and why he doesn't want to go home. jmo

Not so sure.
I think those are Cindy's friends.

[kitty1182]

Good morning everyone. My heartfelt condolences to who ever stayed up on cynthiawatch and were disappointed. Perhaps she'll be on tonight's show?

I agree n/t, that first jailhouse phone call reveals what a monster casey anthony truly is, the jury will be appalled to hear it, imo.

Rest in Peace little Carlie. :rose:


I probally won't stay up again tonight,gonna take my flu meds and go to bed..lol
I agree, can't wait for the jury to hear it!!

[*MoonRider*]

I am not buying it either n/t. There is no way that Jose didn't see that search warrant that had the info about the duct tape on it when the Dec. 11 search was conducted. IIRC he went to the A's house while Lee was there the day that Lee took down the little memorial out in front of the A's house. He knew and knows what was taken from the house before it came out in discovery including the following search on Dec. 20th. IMO

We learned about the duct tape in the court hearing earlier in the month. Wasn't Baez there :shrug:

[Kathlb]

I've been wondering just how sociopathic Casey has been since an early age. Remember during the bail hearing when Cindy was asked if Casey had ever been diagnosed with a mental disease and she hesitated, then answered, "she hasn't been 'diagnosed'". I'm now wondering if CA and GA and Lee have known most of her life that she is mentally disabled for whatever reason and in whatever way, and have been sheltering her from the public and the rest of the family knowing that. What I mean is, maybe she is far worse than we know...basically unable to make decisions and care for herself let alone a baby. But they covered for her. I also think even disabled, she has an innate cunning coupled with that sociopathic uncaring about anyone or anything but herself that leads her to do pretty horrible things when she doesn't get her own way. If she's as bad as I think she is, then it could be why Cindy is so adamant about defending her. She has known she is incapable of making decisions and caring for Caylee from day one but let it go on and feels guilty now that it led to her losing her grandaughter that she loved so much. I know it was ordered that a mental evaluation was done up front and I would really like to know what that outcome was.

[AMS]

I probally won't stay up again tonight,gonna take my flu meds and go to bed..lol
I agree, can't wait for the jury to hear it!!

Are you feeling any better at all, Kitty?

[daHawg]

We learned about the duct tape in the court hearing earlier in the month. Wasn't Baez there :shrug:
Of course he was and he knew it too. But IMO he also knew it the day of the search warrants way before anyone else (ie media etc) . I don't believe for a second even though he was whining that day about not knowing what was in the search warrants and what was taken that he wasn't shown those search warrants by the A's at the time they were conducted. Just more whining from Baez that doesn't past the smell test. IMO

[n/t]

I probally won't stay up again tonight,gonna take my flu meds and go to bed..lol
I agree, can't wait for the jury to hear it!!

Hope you feel better soon, kitty!

[playnice]

I've been wondering just how sociopathic Casey has been since an early age. Remember during the bail hearing when Cindy was asked if Casey had ever been diagnosed with a mental disease and she hesitated, then answered, "she hasn't been 'diagnosed'". I'm now wondering if CA and GA and Lee have known most of her life that she is mentally disabled for whatever reason and in whatever way, and have been sheltering her from the public and the rest of the family knowing that. What I mean is, maybe she is far worse than we know...basically unable to make decisions and care for herself let alone a baby. But they covered for her. I also think even disabled, she has an innate cunning coupled with that sociopathic uncaring about anyone or anything but herself that leads her to do pretty horrible things when she doesn't get her own way. If she's as bad as I think she is, then it could be why Cindy is so adamant about defending her. She has known she is incapable of making decisions and caring for Caylee from day one but let it go on and feels guilty now that it led to her losing her grandaughter that she loved so much. I know it was ordered that a mental evaluation was done up front and I would really like to know what that outcome was.

Makes sense to me. This behavior didnt develop over night.
Guilt is a horrible thing to live with. Cindy may blame herself more than Casey too because she didnt get her help years ago.

[?noanswer]

I deliberately missed the Geraldo show last night and from what I've read I missed nada but please...did Baez really say he learned about the duct tape from People magazine?
what was Geraldo's reply to that?

I don't remember JB saying anything about PM, but LKB said they had to get information from PM. I don't know if she specifically said duct tape. I really wasn't paying a lot of attention. All the spin was making me dizzy!!! If they are relying on the media for their evidence, they are in a heap of trouble!! JMO

[Myka]

Funny, when I read the People article, I couldn't help but wonder if they had gotten their details from this board. Besides a pix of the hotel and some quips from LE that found George, the article's new deets were discussed on this board months ago, i.e. rick & cindy's email exchanges last August.

I said it before, and I'll say it again, alot of ppl don't have access to the boards or Orlando news via the internet. They watch NG, GR, JVM & GVS to get their info on this case.

We all knew about the emails from Rick by reading them online. And, you have to agree, those emails are very telling, juicey and down right paint Casey as a big liar and Cindy as if she has had blinders on. The emails from Rick, IMO, are the only honost thing to come from that family and you also have to agree, you raised an eyebrow when reading Rick's email........humm very interesting. Thus that is why they went into the People Mag. It is something that hasn't been discussed much on the nightly shows and ppl who are w/out the internet most likely don't know about Rick's emails....MOO

I saw somewhere, and totally forgot where it was, but Rick was posting on a board somewhere, it might have been a board out of Orlando, something local to the case. Does anyone know?

[?noanswer]

Uh-oh, I feel another PC coming on Moon....:laugh:

Jose and LKB are all washed up and they know it. There is nothing they can do to outrun WHAT HIS CLIENT HAS DONE. IF only he had encouraged her to tell the TRUTH, she could have put it out before it went NATIONWIDE and likely gotten a decent plea.

BUT NO, BECAUSE JOSE HIMSELF SAW A WAY TO MAKE A CAREER off of THE UNTIMELY DEATH OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY, his client will now do hard time if there is any justice in this world left to be had IMOO.:unsure:

Has LKB been involved in any major cases since P Spector? JMO

[ellegna]

Good morning everyone. My heartfelt condolences to who ever stayed up on cynthiawatch and were disappointed. Perhaps she'll be on tonight's show?

I agree n/t, that first jailhouse phone call reveals what a monster casey anthony truly is, the jury will be appalled to hear it, imo.

Rest in Peace little Carlie. :rose:

Good morning :seeya:

IMO...Casey Anthony showed her true colors the night Cindy called 911 :angry:
If audio techs are able to better enhance the background noise (I'm sure they will) the jury will be appalled what they hear.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo7M-esOg-0

[Kathlb]

Makes sense to me. This behavior didnt develop over night.
Guilt is a horrible thing to live with. Cindy may blame herself more than Casey too because she didnt get her help years ago.

I agree, and that could be why we keep saying "why didn't they seem to know she wasn't working, why didn't they seem to know she was lying about this or that"? She did, but was covering for her due to her mental condition all those years. Just a thought. And yes, guilt for that baby could definitely be guiding her actions and statements. She'll have that to live with the rest of her life.

[Roux]

She didn't give much detail. She said they got their recent discovery from the People magazine that talked about duct tape. Here's the youtube of the segment. It's only 5 minutes so the pain of watching isn't too intense. :wink:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBlWT7dj0B8

I'm just logging on and haven't read all posts yet, but Dr. Baden was on Greta's show talking about the duct tape BEFORE the People article came out. So, does LKB expect us to believe that her husband knew about the duct tape, yet she didn't?

[?noanswer]

Thanks for the link.

Was there anything in the People article about the duct tape that was not in the discovery documents? TIA


If there was, then they most likely took a little liberty with the truth. JMO

[Kathlb]

*snip*
I saw somewhere, and totally forgot where it was, but Rick was posting on a board somewhere, it might have been a board out of Orlando, something local to the case. Does anyone know?

It was first Websleuths and then Topix I think.

[Pat]

Cindy and family didn't live in a vacuum. Casey's behavior was apparent and obviously discussed in the extended family. Shirley's emails with her sister show that.

Casey's behavior wasn't a closely held secret within the walls of the Anthony house.

[CelticDawn]

Morning Yall...<late night last night>
What did I miss last night???....All I see so far is that cINDEEE waws a NO SHOW?????...!!!

Now WHY do yall suppose that nice lady wasnt on Geraldos show??.....
Did she miss her plane???

[n/t]

I've been wondering just how sociopathic Casey has been since an early age. Remember during the bail hearing when Cindy was asked if Casey had ever been diagnosed with a mental disease and she hesitated, then answered, "she hasn't been 'diagnosed'". I'm now wondering if CA and GA and Lee have known most of her life that she is mentally disabled for whatever reason and in whatever way, and have been sheltering her from the public and the rest of the family knowing that. What I mean is, maybe she is far worse than we know...basically unable to make decisions and care for herself let alone a baby. But they covered for her. I also think even disabled, she has an innate cunning coupled with that sociopathic uncaring about anyone or anything but herself that leads her to do pretty horrible things when she doesn't get her own way. If she's as bad as I think she is, then it could be why Cindy is so adamant about defending her. She has known she is incapable of making decisions and caring for Caylee from day one but let it go on and feels guilty now that it led to her losing her grandaughter that she loved so much. I know it was ordered that a mental evaluation was done up front and I would really like to know what that outcome was.


I don't think you can detect it at a young age but with time, I'm sure they all knew or suspected something was not right. The symptoms may have started in highschool. They may have dismissed it early on in Casey's childhood as strong character, treated her like a princess, they may even have thought it was cute.

Unfortunately, it didn't stop there. In Casey's case, imo, it continued into her early adult and then into adulthood. She wasn't disciplined in the way most parents would discipline their children when they get out of control. Also, I wonder what effect Cindy and George's separation had on her. Was Cindy too controlling? Was Cindy too preoccupied with her own problems (finances, pending divorce, etc) to even notice what was going on her daughter's life?

[Destini]

Hiya Des! I think baez and baden looked foolish last night, whining that they are getting their "evidence" from the media. IIRC, they have criticized that same media for publishing inaccurate news stories.

IMO, the duct tape evidence has not been released thru a "written" report from the FBI as yet. A preliminary verbal report has more then likely been given to the OCSD and the prosecution, imo.

If that's true, then what is their purpose in withholding a written report & in turn giving it to Baez? Seems FBI, LE & prosecutors would want to throw out everything incriminating they have, just give it to them & let them see how fruitless it is to let this thing go to trial. I'm sure they would be thrilled to get a GP & wash their hands of the whole mess. What is the strategy in withholding everything that's truly incriminating until trial? Just putting the pressure on?

Sorry, but the legal side of things piques my interest more so than all the theatrics in the media & who's wearing what, and this withholding the most incriminating evidence (if that's what is going on, I don't know)gets on my last nerve. I see this happen all too often with lawyers & prosecutors alike, just dragging it out as long as they can.

[marshmallow]

So, are you saying.....??

A) that Casey didn't want to go but Cindy insisted
B) that Cindy didn't want her to go but Casey insisted
C) that Casey said okay I'll go but I'm wearing what I want
D) that Cindy said okay you can go but you're wearing what I say you'll wear and it's not that dress
E) That Casey said I'm going and wearing this dress and you can't do anything about it
F) that Cindy said oh okay, whatever.



I'm thinking A

[Kathlb]

Cindy and family didn't live in a vacuum. Casey's behavior was apparent and obviously discussed in the extended family. Shirley's emails with her sister show that.

Casey's behavior wasn't a closely held secret within the walls of the Anthony house.

True, but I wonder if they knew just how bad it was or if Cindy was keeping the details close to the vest.

[Myka]

It was first Websleuths and then Topix I think.

ok, thank you! :biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

Hiya Des! I think baez and baden looked foolish last night, whining that they are getting their "evidence" from the media. IIRC, they have criticized that same media for publishing inaccurate news stories.

IMO, the duct tape evidence has not been released thru a "written" report from the FBI as yet. A preliminary verbal report has more then likely been given to the OCSD and the prosecution, imo.

OMG....THATS what this show was about??? :lol:

Now theyre going for the "pity us stupid inept attorneys...who cant get our own evidence" angle...???

[Kathlb]

I don't think you can detect it at a young age but with time, I'm sure they all knew or suspected something was not right. The symptoms may have started in highschool. They may have dismissed it early on in Casey's childhood as strong character, treated her like a princess, they may even have thought it was cute.

Unfortunately, it didn't stop there. In Casey's case, imo, it continued into her early adult and then into adulthood. She wasn't disciplined in the way most parents would discipline their children when they get out of control. Also, I wonder what effect Cindy and George's separation had on her. Was Cindy too controlling? Was Cindy too preoccupied with her own problems (finances, pending divorce, etc) to even notice what was going on her daughter's life?

I hear you, but my family were friends with another family while I was growing up that had 3 children and the little boy exhibited signs from two on. It started with biting everyone he came into contact with or who didn't let him have his way. They all thought it was just being stubborn, but it progressed. Finally they had to admit he needed help and got out patient help for him. By his teens he was so bad they finally had to give up and institutionalize him. If they hadn't, I firmly believe there would have been a murder in that family also.

[SavannahStar]

This is for N/T. You posted something on last night's thread about that first jail house visit. You raised some good points about how cryptic that exchange was between Casey and Cindy. An opinion which I happen to agree with. One of the things Cindy said to Casey during that interview just jumped out at me when I was reading your post. When Cindy says to Casey "You are not telling me where she's at."

Now, during this discussion, we were still under the impression that Caylee had been kidnapped. Or at least that is the story they were sticking with. With that in mind, this question begs to be asked: Why would Cindy be saying this to Casey, if Caylee is supposed to be taken by a stranger. It is totally illogical, UNLESS you are right, that this was some kind of plan between this family that went awry.

Is it possible that Cindy knew Caylee was dead and knew where the body was, in fact may have even stashed Caylee's body somewhere in that yard, until Casey secretly removed the body and that this is what Cindy is actually asking Casey? It would make sense as to why they were back there looking in the oddest of places for their missing little "alive" granddaughter and why Casey then distanced herself from that house only returning when her parents were not at home. It would also explain the inconsistencies, the odd 911 call that Cindy made, the disappearance of Geo for four hours on the evening of that call, and it would also explain Cindy perpetuating this fake kidnapping story. Is this why they are asking for immunity?

"You are not telling me where she is at" doesn't fit as something anyone would say regarding a random kidnapping. It is extremely odd.

What do you think?


No I don't think Cindy knew.

[PuffDragon]

Makes sense to me. This behavior didnt develop over night.
Guilt is a horrible thing to live with. Cindy may blame herself more than Casey too because she didnt get her help years ago.

It doesn't matter. Sociopaths are good at fooling the testers. Cindy knew Casey was a sociopath, and by knowing that had to also know that there wasn't anything that could be done about it. Okay she had a policy of giving in but until Casey was of age they did have to live in some kind of harmony. If you've spent any long length of time with someone like that you start choosing peace over confrontation. Maybe she was hoping that the maternal instinct would kick in and override it. We can't fault her for hoping.

While I was writing that I was thinking....... I wonder if Cindy insisted, once Casey got to be 18 and out of high school, that she had to get a job and start supporting herself or she was out of the house. After all, this isn't an unusual request. Surely plenty of parents have said to their children, "The free ride is over. Go to college or get a job." Casey may have recognized this as a real threat so she got a marginal job, found out she didn't like being a wage slave and got pregnant to get out of working but still hang on to the free ride. The rest of her life unrolled predictably from there.

Sounds like a reasonable scenario to me.

[destiny1]

I don't think you can detect it at a young age but with time, I'm sure they all knew or suspected something was not right. The symptoms may have started in highschool. They may have dismissed it early on in Casey's childhood as strong character, treated her like a princess, they may even have thought it was cute.

Unfortunately, it didn't stop there. In Casey's case, imo, it continued into her early adult and then into adulthood. She wasn't disciplined in the way most parents would discipline their children when they get out of control. Also, I wonder what effect Cindy and George's separation had on her. Was Cindy too controlling? Was Cindy too preoccupied with her own problems (finances, pending divorce, etc) to even notice what was going on her daughter's life?

There is a grey area between strong personality and bery bright, spoiled rotten, and psycotic child. Add to that predisposition, and the child's learned behavior. If some event took place that changed the childs interactions with the parents, the parents may not have noticed. Especially if the parents were themselves predisposed to narcissism.

[101Spots]

Her parents could have helped her more in the early days, IMO. Now, it is too late. We've heard George in his very early interviews tell LE that he didn't like Baez.

Now that Casey is wrapped tightly under the Baez finger, nobody, even her parents, can get to her. To talk some sense in her about how ineffective Baez really is. Maybe, just maybe, Casey will figure it out on her own as she attends more hearings and Baez bumbles.

She's infatuated and he's smitten. She'll have to ~comfort~ him after those nasty prosecutors get done saying mean things to him in court.

[?noanswer]

I think that the plan is for KC to cry that she had 'poor council' after she gets convicted and get herself a new trial (and even more attention)...

I think they better revise the plan. There is no guarantee that an appeal will win a new trial. Most of the times, they are denied. I would want a lawyer who was trying to win my acquital from day one! Most people are convicted faster on the second trial than the first, because they don't have the $s to pay for the high priced lawyers. Couse KC doesn't have that money now. I wonder if the public will ever know who is financing this charade of the "nanny did it". JMO

[Roux]

Don't know if this has been asked and answered already..but who's paying for George's hospital stay? Do they still have health insurance even tho neither one of them is working?

Same with the funeral home. I'm sure they charge for each day that poor Caylee's remains are kept there...
TIA.

There was an article someone linked last week which indicated George would be responsible for his Halifax Hospital stay. I don't think any of us have any idea whether Cindy still has insurance from Gentiva.

[destiny1]

OMG....THATS what this show was about??? :lol:

Now theyre going for the "pity us stupid inept attorneys...who cant get our own evidence" angle...???

It wasn't worth watching.

[?noanswer]

Does Jose have any influence on where the trial would be moved IF a cov motion was filed/granted?

I don't know if he would have influence on it, but he better come up with a much better motion on that than the ones he has filed in the past. Hope he studies Nejames reply in Re TES records. Maybe, just maybe he would get a few pointers in how to write a motion. JMO

[summer4meplz]

ITA, he doesn't have any 'friends" that we know of, everyone needs a good friend to vent to from time to time


Tim spoke of a friend of george's from Ohio being there when he was there....I wonder if he is still in the picture or if he got fed up like Rick?

[PuffDragon]

I'm thinking A

If I had been Casey in that position I would have sat on the couch in my scanty nightclothes and snarled "make me."

Of course, if a daughter of mine had pulled that I would have picked her up kicking and screaming and put her in the car. I would have done that when she was three, and she never would have tried it at 19, but that's neither here nor there. From Cindy's point of view, what would she have done if Casey flat out refused?

[Pat]

This link was posted last night:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey3109jan31,0,460044.story

This story says it was Cindy who sent the clothes. Then it says Conway says it wasn't. Todd Black has interjected himself into the fray.

Who put the wristband in the sock?

Who is telling the truth.

And earlier article somewhere else said their sources said it was Baez who delivered the clothes.

"But a spokesman for Baez, who goes by the name Todd Black, said Cindy Anthony, not Baez, provided the clothing. Conway denied that."

[Destini]

Cindy and family didn't live in a vacuum. Casey's behavior was apparent and obviously discussed in the extended family. Shirley's emails with her sister show that.

Casey's behavior wasn't a closely held secret within the walls of the Anthony house.

I think the family's known something wasn't right about her for a long time, too. Obviously Cindy knew at the very least she was irresponsible & a thief. So my question is when Casey was out on bond why in the world didn't they request to take her to a psychiatrist. Even if they didn't believe she killed Caylee & some kidnapper was responsible, she wasn't telling anyone who this supposed kidnapper was, other than saying ZFG & then throwing out "clues" no one could interpret & saying they were all in danger. WTH??? I would have known something wasn't right with my child at that point & would have insisted she see a psychiatrist. In that sense I feel like they failed their daughter, just looking at things from a parent's standpoint.

All which leads me to say something's not right with the parents either IMO. Pitifully sad situation all around, and that poor baby paid the price.

[*MoonRider*]

I was just reviewing the Blockbuster photos and it struck me that Jesse said she was a chameleon. TonE is wearing a jersey type tank top and so is she. (I hope LE has examined the clothing she is wearing at Blockbuster) She bought the hoodie #82 shirt to be just like him. It's hard to believe that Caylee was probably already dead while she was shopping for videos. moo

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/mostpopular/17841181/detail.html

[Facinated]

Good morning!

Casey must know that Baez is inept! When they were last in court, he obviously couldn't find his pen so she tossed the one she was using to him and smirked, he finally found his pen and smiled back to her and then she took her pen back.

She must think this whole thing is a "big game", I truly believe that she does not understand the seriousness of the whole situation.

I know that if one of my kids were in the same situation, they would have asked me to come and see them, they value my opinion and would want some advice from me.

The "A's" entire family dynamics are just so warped, it isn't even funny.

JMO

[marshmallow]

This link was posted last night:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey3109jan31,0,460044.story

This story says it was Cindy who sent the clothes. Then it says Conway says it wasn't. Todd Black has interjected himself into the fray.

Who put the wristband in the sock?

Who is telling the truth.

And earlier article somewhere else said their sources said it was Baez who delivered the clothes.

"But a spokesman for Baez, who goes by the name Todd Black, said Cindy Anthony, not Baez, provided the clothing. Conway denied that."




also from that article, this is too funny. It's like the two stooges but less amusing.



A lawyer working with Baez on the case, Jose Garcia, said the firm would have no comment.

But a spokesman for Baez, who goes by the name Todd Black, said Cindy Anthony, not Baez, provided the clothing.

[summer4meplz]

This is for N/T. You posted something on last night's thread about that first jail house visit. You raised some good points about how cryptic that exchange was between Casey and Cindy. An opinion which I happen to agree with. One of the things Cindy said to Casey during that interview just jumped out at me when I was reading your post. When Cindy says to Casey "You are not telling me where she's at."

Now, during this discussion, we were still under the impression that Caylee had been kidnapped. Or at least that is the story they were sticking with. With that in mind, this question begs to be asked: Why would Cindy be saying this to Casey, if Caylee is supposed to be taken by a stranger. It is totally illogical, UNLESS you are right, that this was some kind of plan between this family that went awry.

Is it possible that Cindy knew Caylee was dead and knew where the body was, in fact may have even stashed Caylee's body somewhere in that yard, until Casey secretly removed the body and that this is what Cindy is actually asking Casey? It would make sense as to why they were back there looking in the oddest of places for their missing little "alive" granddaughter and why Casey then distanced herself from that house only returning when her parents were not at home. It would also explain the inconsistencies, the odd 911 call that Cindy made, the disappearance of Geo for four hours on the evening of that call, and it would also explain Cindy perpetuating this fake kidnapping story. Is this why they are asking for immunity?

"You are not telling me where she is at" doesn't fit as something anyone would say regarding a random kidnapping. It is extremely odd.

What do you think?


I have kinda been wondering the same thing except george and cindy seem so genuinely sad in the jailhouse videos.....I do wonder if cindy added that insurance plan where you get money if you can't work...can't remember what it's called....

unless it's a plan that just went horribly off track when casey killed Caylee instead of letting her go with the "kidnapper"....they would have to be sick beyond sick to hatch a plot like that....even if Caylee WAS living with a nice family, like george had hoped, she would be emotionally damaged by the experience....imo

[PuffDragon]

I don't know if he would have influence on it, but he better come up with a much better motion on that than the ones he has filed in the past. Hope he studies Nejames reply in Re TES records. Maybe, just maybe he would get a few pointers in how to write a motion. JMO

He doesn't want to ask for a COV until the last minute because he's 'afraid that the new venue will be targeted to taint the new jury pool'. At least that's his story. I myself think that he wants to wait as long as possible so that he can claim that every place that has TV, internet, and newpapers has been tainted and they can only take the trial to an extremely out-of-the-way place like the Okefenokee swamp or something.

[destiny1]

also from that article, this is too funny. It's like the two stooges but less amusing.



A lawyer working with Baez on the case, Jose Garcia, said the firm would have no comment.

But a spokesman for Baez, who goes by the name Todd Black, said Cindy Anthony, not Baez, provided the clothing.

If these people are supposed to be working together for a common goal, it surely is not apparent by their actions.

[marshmallow]

He doesn't want to ask for a COV until the last minute because he's 'afraid that the new venue will be targeted to taint the new jury pool'. At least that's his story. I myself think that he wants to wait as long as possible so that he can claim that every place that has TV, internet, and newpapers has been tainted and they can only take the trial to an extremely out-of-the-way place like the Okefenokee swamp or something.



he's blowing his own arguement out of the water by going on tv shows like Geraldo and discussing the case.

[PuffDragon]

take her car away?

cars are pretty important to teenagers

Nineteen and pregnant? If Cindy couldn't manage Casey when she was 18 and not pregnant, what are the chances she was going to manage her when she was pregnant with Cindy's grandchild?

[really3997]

He doesn't want to ask for a COV until the last minute because he's 'afraid that the new venue will be targeted to taint the new jury pool'. At least that's his story. I myself think that he wants to wait as long as possible so that he can claim that every place that has TV, internet, and newpapers has been tainted and they can only take the trial to an extremely out-of-the-way place like the Okefenokee swamp or something.

Well according to Jose in court he wanted COV set so he can get the area prepared

[Pag Boi]

I don't think you can detect it at a young age but with time, I'm sure they all knew or suspected something was not right. The symptoms may have started in highschool. They may have dismissed it early on in Casey's childhood as strong character, treated her like a princess, they may even have thought it was cute.

Unfortunately, it didn't stop there. In Casey's case, imo, it continued into her early adult and then into adulthood. She wasn't disciplined in the way most parents would discipline their children when they get out of control. Also, I wonder what effect Cindy and George's separation had on her. Was Cindy too controlling? Was Cindy too preoccupied with her own problems (finances, pending divorce, etc) to even notice what was going on her daughter's life?

C&G separated the same year that Caylee was born. Cindy was the only one gainfully employeed. Whatever Cindy's flaws, George and Casey had no problem letting her support them.

They all seem to be co-dependent JMOO. I can't find any logical explanation why they accepted all the deception and ugliness to dominate their relationships.

Caylee may have been unplanned but that doesn't mean that she was ever unwanted or unloved by George and Cindy. This beautiful child further distorted their 'family' relations.

Caylee gave Casey leverage over Cindy. Caylee gave Cindy reason to try & control Casey. Cindy was going to try and browbeat the adult Casey into the person that she failed to raise 1st go round.

Caylee was such a beautiful child. How could Casey ever have let things go too far?

[Lapis]

I think the family's known something wasn't right about her for a long time, too. Obviously Cindy knew at the very least she was irresponsible & a thief. So my question is when Casey was out on bond why in the world didn't they request to take her to a psychiatrist. Even if they didn't believe she killed Caylee & some kidnapper was responsible, she wasn't telling anyone who this supposed kidnapper was, other than saying ZFG & then throwing out "clues" no one could interpret & saying they were all in danger. WTH??? I would have known something wasn't right with my child at that point & would have insisted she see a psychiatrist. In that sense I feel like they failed their daughter, just looking at things from a parent's standpoint.

All which leads me to say something's not right with the parents either IMO. Pitifully sad situation all around, and that poor baby paid the price.

While this may have been a good idea, the problem is that they couldn't force Casey to do anything. She is an adult. In addition, at that point she was represented by counsel and she could always say I'm not doing it unless JB tells me to. Really how much could these people understand about criminal law. I think they just hoped and prayed JB was doing a good job. They all tried to tell her they weren't all that impressed with JB. That's got to be the worst part for them now. They know this guy is incompetent. They tried to warn her but once again Casey does as Casey wants all to her detriment. This girl would cut off her nose to spite her face. JMO

[Pomme]

I would love to get Linda KB into a locked room, back her into a corner, and say,
"Okay, what do you really think of Baez? BE HONEST!!!"

[n/t]

This is for N/T. You posted something on last night's thread about that first jail house visit. You raised some good points about how cryptic that exchange was between Casey and Cindy. An opinion which I happen to agree with. One of the things Cindy said to Casey during that interview just jumped out at me when I was reading your post. When Cindy says to Casey "You are not telling me where she's at."

Now, during this discussion, we were still under the impression that Caylee had been kidnapped. Or at least that is the story they were sticking with. With that in mind, this question begs to be asked: Why would Cindy be saying this to Casey, if Caylee is supposed to be taken by a stranger. It is totally illogical, UNLESS you are right, that this was some kind of plan between this family that went awry.

Is it possible that Cindy knew Caylee was dead and knew where the body was, in fact may have even stashed Caylee's body somewhere in that yard, until Casey secretly removed the body and that this is what Cindy is actually asking Casey? It would make sense as to why they were back there looking in the oddest of places for their missing little "alive" granddaughter and why Casey then distanced herself from that house only returning when her parents were not at home. It would also explain the inconsistencies, the odd 911 call that Cindy made, the disappearance of Geo for four hours on the evening of that call, and it would also explain Cindy perpetuating this fake kidnapping story. Is this why they are asking for immunity?

"You are not telling me where she is at" doesn't fit as something anyone would say regarding a random kidnapping. It is extremely odd.

What do you think?

I'm with you, January. I've always felt the Anthonys knew there was no alive Caylee. It also explains why they were searching their own backyard even before LE got there. I believe Casey confessed to Lee that day and he probably told Casey that he would tell mom and dad. LE was on their way to the home. Lee probably confronted George and Cindy with the news right after LE took Casey away. That is why that first jailhouse call is so cryptic. Casey knows Cindy knows by now.

[PuffDragon]

he's blowing his own arguement out of the water by going on tv shows like Geraldo and discussing the case.

He and the rest of the team have been doing that from the start but they blame it on the 'leaks' from LE.

[summer4meplz]

(snipped for space)

I was hesitant to click your link because I clicked a link to pics of caylee earlier and wound up with Caseys bare butt in my face! barf


I've only seen one really bad pic of casey and we're not even sure if it's her...(I think it is) but a bare butt? could that be one of the 1200 really really bad photos?

[PuffDragon]

Well according to Jose in court he wanted COV set so he can get the area prepared

Then why didn't he file for it? He talks a big story but he doesn't follow through.

[Destini]

While this may have been a good idea, the problem is that they couldn't force Casey to do anything. She is an adult. In addition, at that point she was represented by counsel and she could always say I'm not doing it unless JB tells me to. Really how much could these people understand about criminal law. I think they just hoped and prayed JB was doing a good job. They all tried to tell her they weren't all that impressed with JB. That's got to be the worst part for them now. They know this guy is incompetent. They tried to warn her but once again Casey does as Casey wants all to her detriment. This girl would cut off her nose to spite her face. JMO

I understand she's an adult & they can't make her do anything. Couldn't they have requested Baez to have her examined? Failing that, couldn't they have gone to the judge or the prosecutor and said there's something not right here, we want her examined by a psychiatrist? Could they do that now? Just curious.

[IM4Truth]

I want to know what trouble Casey got into as a juvenile that was serious enough for her to have a file (or whatever it's called)

does anyone have any idea what type of things that would be... something like shoplifting or worse?

I wish Kiomarie would speak out about this, my guess is that she would know.

[lyannea]

This is for N/T. You posted something on last night's thread about that first jail house visit. You raised some good points about how cryptic that exchange was between Casey and Cindy. An opinion which I happen to agree with. One of the things Cindy said to Casey during that interview just jumped out at me when I was reading your post. When Cindy says to Casey "You are not telling me where she's at."

Now, during this discussion, we were still under the impression that Caylee had been kidnapped. Or at least that is the story they were sticking with. With that in mind, this question begs to be asked: Why would Cindy be saying this to Casey, if Caylee is supposed to be taken by a stranger. It is totally illogical, UNLESS you are right, that this was some kind of plan between this family that went awry.

Is it possible that Cindy knew Caylee was dead and knew where the body was, in fact may have even stashed Caylee's body somewhere in that yard, until Casey secretly removed the body and that this is what Cindy is actually asking Casey? It would make sense as to why they were back there looking in the oddest of places for their missing little "alive" granddaughter and why Casey then distanced herself from that house only returning when her parents were not at home. It would also explain the inconsistencies, the odd 911 call that Cindy made, the disappearance of Geo for four hours on the evening of that call, and it would also explain Cindy perpetuating this fake kidnapping story. Is this why they are asking for immunity?

"You are not telling me where she is at" doesn't fit as something anyone would say regarding a random kidnapping. It is extremely odd.

What do you think?

This could definetely have happened, imo.
I also believe that the whole family probably HAD a funeral for Calee in the backyard already - that's why there's no big outrage from the grandparents or extended family for a proper burial now. imo

[summer4meplz]

I dunno... there was a whole set at the link i went to.. and some i had seen before but I hadnt seen the one of her butt :scared:

butt (http://wjnoblog.com/2008/08/new-racy-photos-of-casey-anthony/racycasey9/)

the others (http://wjnoblog.com/2008/08/new-racy-photos-of-casey-anthony/)


thx..yep I've seen those.....

[Pag Boi]

I understand she's an adult & they can't make her do anything. Couldn't they have requested Baez to have her examined? Failing that, couldn't they have gone to the judge or the prosecutor and said there's something not right here, we want her examined by a psychiatrist? Could they do that now? Just curious.


I thought she had to have a psych evaluation as a condition of her bail release?

[Pat]

If these people are supposed to be working together for a common goal, it surely is not apparent by their actions.


Which is why, IMO, we get conflicting reports about the memorial service, Cindy going on Geraldo, and George possibly going home on Friday.

The Anthonys want to bury Caylee and hold a memorial service and Baez won't release the remains.

I wondered last night when Cindy was a no-show on Geraldo if some kind of deal between Conway and Baez fell through. We had the church announcing the memorial, Cindy being interviewed, then all of a sudden it was all off. Now we hear George is being transferred to a facility closer to home either today or Monday.

Something is going on in the background, and it isn't pretty.

[*MoonRider*]

I would love to get Linda KB into a locked room, back her into a corner, and say,
"Okay, what do you really think of Baez? BE HONEST!!!"

Frankly, I'm surprised that she would be second chair to a doofus. IMO

[Lapis]

I understand she's an adult & they can't make her do anything. Couldn't they have requested Baez to have her examined? Failing that, couldn't they have gone to the judge or the prosecutor and said there's something not right here, we want her examined by a psychiatrist? Could they do that now? Just curious.

They may have. What little we have seen, the Anthony's are not impressed with JB. They have no standing to go to the court or the prosecutor. And quite frankly the judge and the prosecutor cannot do anything. Casey is entitled to the counsel of her choice. He now calls the shots relative to her defense. They have done all they can. I think that is one reason that JB doesn't want them visiting. He doesn't want them to have access in order to try to convince her to get another attorney. Casey is her own worst enemy. JMO

[PuffDragon]

I thought she had to have a psych evaluation as a condition of her bail release?

She did. And she also said she wasn't about to open up to 'a total stranger', or however she worded it. Of course she wasn't. Who would expect her to?

[Myka]

Tim spoke of a friend of george's from Ohio being there when he was there....I wonder if he is still in the picture or if he got fed up like Rick?

I ment does he have any friends in the Orlando area? Did he ever go and "hang out w/ the guys" or did he stay under Cindy's thumb 24/7?

[chrissybot]

'Morning:seeya:. For those of you interested, just reminding you of some of tonights interesting programming.

BIO channel -8 pm-"Notorious"-Susan Smith Story
-9 pm-"Notorious"-Mothers Who Kill
-10pm-"Notorious"-Mothers on Death Row
Thats Eastern Time Zone

[PuffDragon]

Frankly, I'm surprised that she would be second chair to a doofus. IMO

I have really really wondered about that.

[IM4Truth]

This link was posted last night:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey3109jan31,0,460044.story

This story says it was Cindy who sent the clothes. Then it says Conway says it wasn't. Todd Black has interjected himself into the fray.

Who put the wristband in the sock?

Who is telling the truth.

And earlier article somewhere else said their sources said it was Baez who delivered the clothes.

"But a spokesman for Baez, who goes by the name Todd Black, said Cindy Anthony, not Baez, provided the clothing. Conway denied that."

It may not be so important as to who put the bracelet in the clothing. The most important part is the person who delivered it to OCC should have checked it out thoroughly. IMO Jose put it in there. He knew, as they say he is as sly as a fox (but not so smart as an attorney).

[Pat]

This could definetely have happened, imo.
I also believe that the whole family probably HAD a funeral for Calee in the backyard already - that's why there's no big outrage from the grandparents or extended family for a proper burial now. imo

I don't think there has been any funeral, and since Rick posted on those boards, nothing has been heard from the extended family. Which is a good thing. They all believe Casey is responsible for Caylee's death. Other than supporting Cindy in this mess, what can they say? I hope the media isn't hounding them.

[Myka]

She did. And she also said she wasn't about to open up to 'a total stranger', or however she worded it. Of course she wasn't. Who would expect her to?


well, it's quite clear the only thing she ever opened up to a stranger was her legs! That's one thing I can't get over is how many men she went through.....sheeesh, sew that thing up or something!

[msgatorslayer]

I want to know what trouble Casey got into as a juvenile that was serious enough for her to have a file (or whatever it's called)

does anyone have any idea what type of things that would be... something like shoplifting or worse?

IMO, if it is true, that Casey has a juvi record, from what I've seen in Florida news, whatever Casey did was pretty minor.

Since Casey is now an adult charged with a life felony, her juvi record CAN be mentioned. Yet, it hasn't.

The record would be sealed so that news media couldn't get ahold of it. BUT they could mention it.

See it all the time.

In Florida, even a juvi charged with a life felony [murder, rape, the worst of the worst] will have his or her previous records displayed by the media.

See it all the time.

JMO

[IM4Truth]

Good morning!

Casey must know that Baez is inept! When they were last in court, he obviously couldn't find his pen so she tossed the one she was using to him and smirked, he finally found his pen and smiled back to her and then she took her pen back.

She must think this whole thing is a "big game", I truly believe that she does not understand the seriousness of the whole situation.

I know that if one of my kids were in the same situation, they would have asked me to come and see them, they value my opinion and would want some advice from me.

The "A's" entire family dynamics are just so warped, it isn't even funny.

JMO

I think JB is Casey's Knight in Shining Armor who has come to rescue her. Her parents always rescued her in the past. She knows they won't now if they realize she killed her daughter.

[cassidy]

They may have. What little we have seen, the Anthony's are not impressed with JB. They have no standing to go to the court or the prosecutor. And quite frankly the judge and the prosecutor cannot do anything. Casey is entitled to the counsel of her choice. He now calls the shots relative to her defense. They have done all they can. I think that is one reason that JB doesn't want them visiting. He doesn't want them to have access in order to try to convince her to get another attorney. Casey is her own worst enemy. JMO

Somehow I get the impression that if Cindy or George express displeasure with a person, Casey is gonna like that person ALOT.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

'Morning:seeya:. For those of you interested, just reminding you of some of tonights interesting programming.

BIO channel -8 pm-"Notorious"-Susan Smith Story
-9 pm-"Notorious"-Mothers Who Kill
-10pm-"Notorious"-Mothers on Death Row
Thats Eastern Time Zone

Ah, yes, thanks for the reminder. Darlie Routier will be on 2. I think, lol. Moms who kill and moms on DR.

[Lapis]

Somehow I get the impression that if Cindy or George express displeasure with a person, Casey is gonna like that person ALOT.

JMO

Kinda like the teenager who dates the boy her parents hate. This is the first adult decision she has made and she won't admit to anyone she made a mistake. JMO

[Myka]

i dunno... probably nothing that's why i said

"take her car away?" like ya.. what can you do with a 19yr old that doesnt want to do something?

I was agreeing... it's tough to handle a kid like casey

take her car away? how would Casey get to "work"? LOL however, if they did take her car away, they might have learned that she wasn't working

[cassidy]

Kinda like the teenager who dates the boy her parents hate. This is the first adult decision she has made and she won't admit to anyone she made a mistake. JMO

I don't think she realizes yet that she has made a mistake.

JMO

[mdibella]

I've been wondering just how sociopathic Casey has been since an early age. Remember during the bail hearing when Cindy was asked if Casey had ever been diagnosed with a mental disease and she hesitated, then answered, "she hasn't been 'diagnosed'". I'm now wondering if CA and GA and Lee have known most of her life that she is mentally disabled for whatever reason and in whatever way, and have been sheltering her from the public and the rest of the family knowing that. What I mean is, maybe she is far worse than we know...basically unable to make decisions and care for herself let alone a baby.

--snip--


I'm not sure I'd see sociopathy as a 'disability' except that it can make the person basically unfit to be a part of civilized society. Casey can take good care of herself, that's clear. It's the people around her who suffer as she lies, cheats, steals from them.

Could the defense plead that Casey is criminally insane? That would result in hospitalization rather than jail, would it not? Although I guess that most jail inmates have the problem of considering their own wants/needs first, and to h*ll with anyone else...

[msgatorslayer]

hmmm sounds like a job for Mark Furhman!

I'll email greta and ask :lol:

LMAO, yes, Furhman to the rescue.

I seriously doubt there is anything there.

Though, I'm unsure of how a juvi intervention program works. I do believe that in this type of program, a juvi is either not officially 'arrested' or that the record of it is auto expunged, IF, they follow through with the intervention program.

Like I said though, this would be for something pretty minor, IMO. Shoplifting, painting on a school locker, getting in a school fight, type thing.

[Lapis]

I don't think she realizes yet that she has made a mistake.

JMO

She won't realize it until she is convicted. JMO

[IM4Truth]

I'm with you, January. I've always felt the Anthonys knew there was no alive Caylee. It also explains why they were searching their own backyard even before LE got there. I believe Casey confessed to Lee that day and he probably told Casey that he would tell mom and dad. LE was on their way to the home. Lee probably confronted George and Cindy with the news right after LE took Casey away. That is why that first jailhouse call is so cryptic. Casey knows Cindy knows by now.

You might be right about all of this. Remember Casey telling Lee that she is nothing but a spiteful bit** and that maybe "this should have all happenend a long time ago". (or something to that effect). Was she trying to blame her parents and saying they should have held her accountable for her actions in the past? Was this a cry for help from Casey? As for George & Cindy, then knew when they found Casey safe, Caylee was still missing, & the car smelled like human decomp that Caylee was dead. If not, they weren't very good in their professional lives.

[Pat]

Lapis, in your opinion, would the ineffective counsel complaint on appeal work, given LBK is also working on the defense?

TIA

[IM4Truth]

Then why didn't he file for it? He talks a big story but he doesn't follow through.

Oh, don't you remember? He was going to file it on January 19, but it was a holiday and he couldn't get into the court house to get his hands on the papers!!!

[mdibella]

I'm just logging on and haven't read all posts yet, but Dr. Baden was on Greta's show talking about the duct tape BEFORE the People article came out. So, does LKB expect us to believe that her husband knew about the duct tape, yet she didn't?

Oh, I have no trouble at all believing that. The only way I can imagine their marriage being viable is that they do not discuss the cases they are working on.

Dr Baden (LKB's husband) has been on several talk shows and his comments have indicated to me that he is leaning towards believing Casey is guilty. THey have GOT to have agreed upfront to leave their jobs at the office and keep their relationship free of work considerations.

[summer4meplz]

I ment does he have any friends in the Orlando area? Did he ever go and "hang out w/ the guys" or did he stay under Cindy's thumb 24/7?


I'm guessing the thumb....wasn't cindy the thumb?

[Lapis]

LMAO, yes, Furhman to the rescue.

I seriously doubt there is anything there.

Though, I'm unsure of how a juvi intervention program works. I do believe that in this type of program, a juvi is either not officially 'arrested' or that the record of it is auto expunged, IF, they follow through with the intervention program.

Like I said though, this would be for something pretty minor, IMO. Shoplifting, painting on a school locker, getting in a school fight, type thing.

Don't know how things work in Fla. Here everyone is eligible for what we call Pre-Trial Intervention, except murder. With PTI, you plead guilty to the offense and are sentenced. You are then put on probation for a certain period of time with other conditions (fines, drug treatment if necessary etc) if you complete the program and don't get into trouble again the charges are dismissed. It is designed to give people a second chance. JMO

[mdibella]

I would love to get Linda KB into a locked room, back her into a corner, and say,
"Okay, what do you really think of Baez? BE HONEST!!!"

HAHAHA She is so good at doing a 'poker face' but during the interview last night, every time Baez talked, I kept picturing a speech bubble over LKBs face, filled with the words 'what a putz'...

[n/t]

It doesn't matter. Sociopaths are good at fooling the testers. Cindy knew Casey was a sociopath, and by knowing that had to also know that there wasn't anything that could be done about it. Okay she had a policy of giving in but until Casey was of age they did have to live in some kind of harmony. If you've spent any long length of time with someone like that you start choosing peace over confrontation. Maybe she was hoping that the maternal instinct would kick in and override it. We can't fault her for hoping.

While I was writing that I was thinking....... I wonder if Cindy insisted, once Casey got to be 18 and out of high school, that she had to get a job and start supporting herself or she was out of the house. After all, this isn't an unusual request. Surely plenty of parents have said to their children, "The free ride is over. Go to college or get a job." Casey may have recognized this as a real threat so she got a marginal job, found out she didn't like being a wage slave and got pregnant to get out of working but still hang on to the free ride. The rest of her life unrolled predictably from there.

Sounds like a reasonable scenario to me.

What I don't get with that scenario though is why Cindy (from what was reported) insisted that Casey keep the baby. If Cindy knew Casey couldn't afford a baby, had no job, financial issues in the household, pending divorce, etc...why in the world would you insist your daughter keep her baby?

[PuffDragon]

She won't realize it until she is convicted. JMO

Probably not then either. She can never admit she made a mistake.

[n/t]

You might be right about all of this. Remember Casey telling Lee that she is nothing but a spiteful bit** and that maybe "this should have all happenend a long time ago". (or something to that effect). Was she trying to blame her parents and saying they should have held her accountable for her actions in the past? Was this a cry for help from Casey? As for George & Cindy, then knew when they found Casey safe, Caylee was still missing, & the car smelled like human decomp that Caylee was dead. If not, they weren't very good in their professional lives.

Nothing so far has convinced me that they did NOT know. Denial perhaps but as professionals, they knew.

[PuffDragon]

Oh, don't you remember? He was going to file it on January 19, but it was a holiday and he couldn't get into the court house to get his hands on the papers!!!

Of course. Duh me!! And then time just slipped away from him...........

[destiny1]

Which is why, IMO, we get conflicting reports about the memorial service, Cindy going on Geraldo, and George possibly going home on Friday.

The Anthonys want to bury Caylee and hold a memorial service and Baez won't release the remains.

I wondered last night when Cindy was a no-show on Geraldo if some kind of deal between Conway and Baez fell through. We had the church announcing the memorial, Cindy being interviewed, then all of a sudden it was all off. Now we hear George is being transferred to a facility closer to home either today or Monday.

Something is going on in the background, and it isn't pretty.

I believe that it goes back to the little exchange in the motion hearings on Friday. When baez was addressing Conway, and vice-versa, when casey nodded and semi-smiled?

[PuffDragon]

What I don't get with that scenario though is why Cindy (from what was reported) insisted that Casey keep the baby. If Cindy knew Casey couldn't afford a baby, had no job, financial issues in the household, pending divorce, etc...why in the world would you insist your daughter keep her baby?

Second chance at bringing up a child who could love you and be your friend?

[Lapis]

Lapis, in your opinion, would the ineffective counsel complaint on appeal work, given LBK is also working on the defense?

TIA

It definitely would be more difficult. It depends upon how much she participates. This appeal works less than people realize. You have to point to something specific that your counsel failed to do. Bumbling through motions, failure to plea, and an inability to articulate well won't cut it. We are way to early in the process to determine how successful she will be. The one thing I took from the interview last night is that LKB is staying in Orlando for a while to work on the case. Hopefully she is giving JB some avenues to persue. It will also depend upon how responsive JB is to her suggestions. I hope he can put his ego aside and accept the help that is being offered. JMO

[IM4Truth]

Don't know how things work in Fla. Here everyone is eligible for what we call Pre-Trial Intervention, except murder. With PTI, you plead guilty to the offense and are sentenced. You are then put on probation for a certain period of time with other conditions (fines, drug treatment if necessary etc) if you complete the program and don't get into trouble again the charges are dismissed. It is designed to give people a second chance. JMO

In FL they are eligible for PTI (of course not murder) if they have no previous convictions and if the charges involve money, it must be under $5,000.00. However, if they have a charge for $8,000.00 with no previous convictions, they can pay $3,000.00 to the court and be referred to PTI for the remaining $5,000.00. Adjudication is withhheld and there will be no criminal record. If they do not comply with the PTI referral, they are taken back into court and placed on probation with Department of Corrections and will have a record.

[Beach~Tenant]

I dunno... there was a whole set at the link i went to.. and some i had seen before but I hadnt seen the one of her butt :scared:

butt (http://wjnoblog.com/2008/08/new-racy-photos-of-casey-anthony/racycasey9/)

the others (http://wjnoblog.com/2008/08/new-racy-photos-of-casey-anthony/)

I'm Jealous!! :glare:

[Lapis]

In FL they are eligible for PTI (of course not murder) if they have no previous charges and if the charges involve money, it must be under $5,000.00. However, if they have a charge for $8,000.00 with no previous charges, they can pay $3,000.00 to the court and be referred to PTI for the remaining $5,000.00. Adjudiation is whthheld and there will be no criminal record. If they do not comply with the PTI referral, they are taken back into court and placed on probation with Department of Corrections and will have a record.

I guess we have more criminals here because even drug offenses are eligible and there are no monetary limits. Here they are sentenced first so the defendant knows what they are facing if they fail to complete the program. JMO

[destiny1]

JMO but i think "appearances" are a big deal to Cindy

Maybe she thought that since some people already knew that Casey was pregnant it wouldnt look like a nice little family if Casey aborted her baby or gave it up for adoption and Cindy wanted to portray a picture of her daughter as mother of the year who kept her child and it one big happy, loving family?

Maybe thats why the "Caylees dad was killed in an accident" story fit in too.... so that could mean she would be married and have a child if it hadn't been for an unfortunate accident... sooo seee Casey isnt a skank ***** who doesnt even know who the dad is... she's a lovely young woman who deserves sympathy and admiration for keeping her child and dealing with the death.

I'm just rambling out loud but the Anthonys do see things differently than most people... so who knows

That sounds very much like the Cindy-generate scenario that I had pictured sometime ago. from personal expertiences with a family that has to keep up appearances for more public reasons, I do understand what Cindy was trying to manufacture.

[eastside joe]

I'm guessing the thumb....wasn't cindy the thumb?

No, Cindy was the index finger. Always pointing and in control. George was the thumb.

[tarabull1]

I found what I think is an interesting presentation prepared by Mental Health Centre of Penetagnguisene for "Eighteenth Annual Forensics Conference"...

http://www.mhcp-research.com/present.htm

About a third of the way down this page of recent presentations you see this:

Harris, G.T., Rice, M.E., Hilton, N.Z., & Eke, A. (2004, June). Children Killed by Their Own Parents: Testing Explanations. Paper presented at the 18th Annual Forensic Conference, "Adult Antisocial Behaviour: Where does it come from and what can we do about it." Midland, Ontario, Canada.

Under that you'll see: Click here for slides. Requires MS IE and PowerPoint.

This research & presentation is based on stats from the ViCLAS database (ViCLAS: Violent Crime Linkage Analysis System) here's an explaination of what that is exactly - in case you are wondering: http://sascwr.org/resources/pdfs/Legal/ViCLAS%20is%20the%20Violent%20Crime%20Linkage%20An alysis%20System.pdf Sorry, it IS Canadian (LOL) regardless, IMO it's eye-popping information! :w00t:

They show an interesting breakdown of the number of children killed by their mothers - their age - how many of the perps commit suicide after the murder - how many perps used a weapon - how many children were beaten to death - killed in a fit of anger or rage - killed them over marital conflict or jealousy - suffered physical abuse or neglect - how many perps had a serious mental disorder - and the breakdown goes on and on and on.

Just thought I'd share - maybe a good topic of discussion - not that we don't have LOTS to talk about already - just something else to make us all go "Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"!!!

[IM4Truth]

I guess we have more criminals here because even drug offenses are eligible and there are no monetary limits. Here they are sentenced first so the defendant knows what they are facing if they fail to complete the program. JMO

There is a court decision which places them in PTI. It is just like probation. They have to report to PTI just like they would have to report to a probation officer. If they have to pay any restituion to the victim, it is paid through PTI. I guess drug charges are included, but only if there are no prior convictions. They do have to complete classes etc. and sumbit to drug testing. It is a program to keep from overcrowding the prisons and DOC. If they don't comply, PTI takes them back in front of the judge.

[debkay]

If Cindy is in Tampa today maybe she thinks she can raise her hand in the Superbowl and announce the date for Caylee's memorial.:thumbdown:

[girlspell]

Couple of things I'd like to know about:

Did Casey have any kind of juvi record at all? I know records are sealed. Just wondered if she had any kind of record. Did Lee?

Does LE know who Calyee's father is? Perhaps the guy that was killed really was the father?

Did George ever get in to trouble with the law? He was only a cop for a short period of time. Just wondering.

[IM4Truth]

If Cindy is in Tampa today maybe she thinks she can raise her hand in the Superbowl and announce the date for Caylee's memorial.:thumbdown:

Very funny! I'm thinking there is some connection to Lee in this trip.

[?noanswer]

No, Cindy was the index finger. Always pointing and in control. George was the thumb.

I think G was hoping he could keep them all under his thumb!!! JMO

[tarabull1]

If Cindy is in Tampa today maybe she thinks she can raise her hand in the Superbowl and announce the date for Caylee's memorial.:thumbdown:

While the Superbowl is a waaaaaaaay better "vehicle" than GAL, I won't hold my breath.

[happygert]

It may not be so important as to who put the bracelet in the clothing. The most important part is the person who delivered it to OCC should have checked it out thoroughly. IMO Jose put it in there. He knew, as they say he is as sly as a fox (but not so smart as an attorney).

Didn't the Jail say baez delivered the clothes? They said no harm no foul.I say charge him..I say charge em all...

[CelticDawn]

I think G was hoping he could keep them all under his thumb!!! JMO

I see George as the most pathetic character in this entire fiasco.

Is he the natural father of both casey and Lee? Just wondering out loud.

He strikes me as a man who as much as he wants to be a true man and "control his family", he falls short and can never live that down.

[AMS]

Very funny! I'm thinking there is some connection to Lee in this trip.

That's what I was thinking too. Maybe Lee got game tickets or tickets to some of the events as part of his super bowl car parking arranger job.

IMO

[IM4Truth]

I just emailed the NE:

Enquiring Minds Want to Know:
What does Kiomarie Torres Cruz know about Casey's juvenile record???

[trich]

Oh, I have no trouble at all believing that. The only way I can imagine their marriage being viable is that they do not discuss the cases they are working on.

Dr Baden (LKB's husband) has been on several talk shows and his comments have indicated to me that he is leaning towards believing Casey is guilty. THey have GOT to have agreed upfront to leave their jobs at the office and keep their relationship free of work considerations.


Bolding mine.
And if anyone believes that I have a bridge I would like to sell them.LOL

[?noanswer]

That's what I was thinking too. Maybe Lee got game tickets or tickets to some of the events as part of his super bowl car parking arranger job.

IMO

Maybe C decided she needed to go down and help L park cars! How do yall think G will feel if he finds out C got to go to the Super Bowl? JMO

[tarabull1]

That's what I was thinking too. Maybe Lee got game tickets or tickets to some of the events as part of his super bowl car parking arranger job.

IMO

The attendance at Super Bowl XLI was 74,512 people....Do you think Lee will wear a hat and dark glasses????

[Cury-us Coyote]

Professor Chinaris was Ethics Director of the Florida Bar from 1989-1997
http://www.faulkner.edu/jsl/biographies.asp
http://www.sunethics.com/bio.htm

[IM4Truth]

Maybe C decided she needed to go down and help L park cars! How do yall think G will feel if he finds out C got to go to the Super Bowl? JMO

At this point George could probably care less about the Super Bowl. I hope the media doesn't get shots of her there. That's all we need!

[happygert]

If my child was sitting in jail I'd want to see them..Talk to them on phone something.. casey's been there 4 1/2 months and no visits from anyone but her lawyer..Just wondering after the case is over and she's convicted what is she going to do then?

Dont the attorneys have to go see prisoner during reg visiting hours? Or can they still go anytime?
I can't see them letting attorneys in at all hours day and night.

[IM4Truth]

I thought that the exchange you had last night on last night's thread between yourself and the other poster shed some new light on this angle. I believe that you and your poster friend last night, may be onto something. I think it is quite possible that Cindy and George knew that Caylee was dead because they were there when it happened and from that day on, it was a plan that was cooked up to cover up the death of this child. I think that it might have been Cindy herself that hid that body (in the backyard since the dogs hit there) and was in the process of hatching up some kind of story that would put Caylee in a plausable situation where they could explain away her absence, move away and just forget it (similar to this other couple whose boy has been missing for over 10 years and nobody knew). Except Casey ended up stealing Caylee's body and running off with it for some kind of power leverage against her parents. If you use this scenario, and you go back and read that jailhouse conversation you posted, doesn't it seem like instead of talking about a missing child, they are in fact talking about a dead body? Also wouldn't it explain Cindy's 911 call? I see her threatening Casey with calling the police if she did not tell them where the body was so they could continue with their cooked up plan and Casey calling her on it saying "that should have been done a long time ago".

I think you were on to something last night. It's a good alternative theory.

I think these theories are way off base. LE has said over and over that there are no pending charges against George & Cindy. Some of these spins are getting to be as bad as Casey's!

[summer4meplz]

If my child was sitting in jail I'd want to see them..Talk to them on phone something.. casey's been there 4 1/2 months and no visits from anyone but her lawyer..Just wondering after the case is over and she's convicted what is she going to do then?

Dont the attorneys have to go see prisoner during reg visiting hours? Or can they still go anytime?
I can't see them letting attorneys in at all hours day and night.


baez was there until midnight the other night....he got that "I got caught" grin on his face and said how do you know to the reporter that asked him why he was there so late....

[CelticDawn]

If my child was sitting in jail I'd want to see them..Talk to them on phone something.. casey's been there 4 1/2 months and no visits from anyone but her lawyer..Just wondering after the case is over and she's convicted what is she going to do then?

Dont the attorneys have to go see prisoner during reg visiting hours? Or can they still go anytime?
I can't see them letting attorneys in at all hours day and night.

Not sure about the attorney-skel visiting rules there...but here unless there is a dire reason for them to meet...its business hours.

I still think that casey and her parents are or have communicated via Jose baez's laptop.

[IM4Truth]

If my child was sitting in jail I'd want to see them..Talk to them on phone something.. casey's been there 4 1/2 months and no visits from anyone but her lawyer..Just wondering after the case is over and she's convicted what is she going to do then?

Dont the attorneys have to go see prisoner during reg visiting hours? Or can they still go anytime?
I can't see them letting attorneys in at all hours day and night.

I'm wondering if the family isn't communicating via US mail? Since JB has made several midnight visits to the jail, it appears they can go whenever they want.

[happygert]

The attendance at Super Bowl XLI was 74,512 people....Do you think Lee will wear a hat and dark glasses????

Probably if he's parking the cars...

[Neffy]

That's what I was thinking too. Maybe Lee got game tickets or tickets to some of the events as part of his super bowl car parking arranger job.

IMO

I'd say he was pretty busy especially game day. What are we talking 80,000+ people in attendance. Then you have all the bars sport bars in the area hosting parties. That's a huge undertaking. I know people who run these in my city and it's total chaos for a regular event.

4th of July is probably the worst with so many citys hosting major fire works events on the same night. Parking doesn't sound like a glamourous job but it's a massive undertaking.

[IM4Truth]

baez was there until midnight the other night....he got that "I got caught" grin on his face and said how do you know to the reporter that asked him why he was there so late....

Yes, that was an "aha" moment at it's best! I wonder if there are enough officers on duty during those hours to keep a close watch on the hand holding and hugging between these two?

[IM4Truth]

Not sure about the attorney-skel visiting rules there...but here unless there is a dire reason for them to meet...its business hours.

I still think that casey and her parents are or have communicated via Jose baez's laptop.

And chance having the Anthonys computers confiscated again? I doubt it. I think US mail is the only way. It was clear in the beginning that Jose was not passing on letters and notes from friends and family. That is why Lee kept telling her to use the mail.

[Pat]

Is this "Joy" the only source for the discussion of Cindy going to Tampa?

I've looked through all the links and can find nothing about it. As no link (that I'm aware of) was given for the above, what was the context of the statement about the Tampa visit?

Anyone? TIA

[happygert]

I'm wondering if the family isn't communicating via US mail? Since JB has made several midnight visits to the jail, it appears they can go whenever they want.

I think they are writing letters by not going by us mail...Yes He does seem to make a lot of midnight appearances at the jail. What about the prisons..do they still get to go there anytime day or night?..

[IM4Truth]

I'd say he was pretty busy especially game day. What are we talking 80,000+ people in attendance. Then you have all the bars sport bars in the area hosting parties. That's a huge undertaking. I know people who run these in my city and it's total chaos for a regular event.

4th of July is probably the worst with so many citys hosting major fire works events on the same night. Parking doesn't sound like a glamourous job but it's a massive undertaking.

Not only parking but I think Lee is involved in setting up bleachers and tents too.

[Balesha]

I think they are writing letters by not going by us mail...Yes He does seem to make a lot of midnight appearances at the jail. What about the prisons..do they still get to go there anytime day or night?..

Do they get to have canteens in prison too?

[happygert]

And chance having the Anthonys computers confiscated again? I doubt it. I think US mail is the only way. It was clear in the beginning that Jose was not passing on letters and notes from friends and family. That is why Lee kept telling her to use the mail.

Letter's are being passed thru baez...no snail mail,

[Cury-us Coyote]

Orlando Sentinel Short Video 1:19

Court discusses Change of Venue in Casey case

If case doesn’t come to trial for another year, things can change dramatically, venue change may not be necessary.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?slug=orl-casey-trial-change-of-venue-wn-013009

What dramatic changes might the State expect? Media coverage could vane, a guilt or insanity plea, more conclusive evidence revealed?

[?noanswer]

I think these theories are way off base. LE has said over and over that there are no pending charges against George & Cindy. Some of these spins are getting to be as bad as Casey's!

I agree. I don't think G & C knew anything about Caylee's demise until they picked up the car with the smell and then when they found KC and no Caylee, they put 2 and 2 together and hoped against hope that nothing had happened to Caylee. But at that time they knew. JMO

[Mimi428]

I'm wondering if the family isn't communicating via US mail? Since JB has made several midnight visits to the jail, it appears they can go whenever they want.

I would be surprised if Cindy has not written to Casey since phone calls & visitation have been refused. Cindy can't make Casey agree to a visit & she can't make Casey call her, but there is no reason she cannot write to her. Now what she would write, I wouldn't even begin to guess.

JMO

[happygert]

Do they get to have canteens in prison too?

Not sure but Im guessing they do...

[IM4Truth]

Really, well, that's fine but I think that people who think angularly or may look at things from an abstract point of view have a right to do that. And I don't think it is right to call someone's theory a "spin" especially if it is a possibility. Just because LE has no pending charges against George and Cindy (or even Lee for that matter) does not mean that they are not in the process of making a case against them. And sometimes it takes more than a few weeks to do that. As we learned in the JonBenet Ramsey case which took almost 2 years to bring the Ramseys before a Grand Jury IIRC.

That being said, N/T, I stand by what I said. You and whoever you were talking to last night on that thread, may be onto something.

Sorry, January, didn't mean to offend you, it just appeared that you were playing the devil's advocate again. I think theories like this early on may have been something to consider, however my opinion is that LE has it all figured out by now. IN MY OPINION, I just see it as a spin. In your opinion you just see it as a theory that someone else was involved.

[summer4meplz]

Is this "Joy" the only source for the discussion of Cindy going to Tampa?

I've looked through all the links and can find nothing about it. As no link (that I'm aware of) was given for the above, what was the context of the statement about the Tampa visit?

Anyone? TIA


no disrespect at all to the poster that said Joy said that...but I wouldn't believe anything Joy Wray has to say.......

[Adalena935]

I think these theories are way off base. LE has said over and over that there are no pending charges against George & Cindy. Some of these spins are getting to be as bad as Casey's!

'....our daughter wasn't missing for a month. That's just something we told the public..' - Cindy Anthony to the FBI

speaking of spin

[steffaroob4]

Orlando Sentinel Short Video 1:19

Court discusses Change of Venue in Casey case

If case doesn’t come to trial for another year, things can change dramatically, venue change may not be necessary.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?slug=orl-casey-trial-change-of-venue-wn-013009

What dramatic changes might the State expect? Media coverage could vane, a guilt or insanity plea, more conclusive evidence revealed?

finger prints on duct tape...:thumbsup:
or DNA

[CelticDawn]

Is this "Joy" the only source for the discussion of Cindy going to Tampa?

I've looked through all the links and can find nothing about it. As no link (that I'm aware of) was given for the above, what was the context of the statement about the Tampa visit?

Anyone? TIA

:lol: Maybde the fake announcement of Cindys little appearance on geraldo was meant to be a diversion so that she could get out of town?



I doubt it though....but you never know.

[IM4Truth]

Letter's are being passed thru baez...no snail mail,

Why do you think that? IIRC there was a phone conversation between Casey and maybe Lee. He asked if Jose had given her a letter from Annie and Casey said she had not received any letters. There was also the Bible that JB told Casey he gave back to Cindy and Cindy said no, he didn't but she would check with him. Lee kept encouraging Casey to write through the US mail. JB is isolating her from her family. Only my opinion as I see it though.

[Pat]

Orlando Sentinel Short Video 1:19

Court discusses Change of Venue in Casey case

If case doesn’t come to trial for another year, things can change dramatically, venue change may not be necessary.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?slug=orl-casey-trial-change-of-venue-wn-013009

What dramatic changes might the State expect? Media coverage could vane, a guilt or insanity plea, more conclusive evidence revealed?

My first though when I heard this was conclusive evidence and Baez possibly accepting a plea deal.

Although I have doubts on the plea deal. As I said last night, the free publicity Baez is getting is manna from heaven for Baez. I don't believe he is acting in his client's best interest...only his own.

[?noanswer]

Orlando Sentinel Short Video 1:19

Court discusses Change of Venue in Casey case

If case doesn’t come to trial for another year, things can change dramatically, venue change may not be necessary.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?slug=orl-casey-trial-change-of-venue-wn-013009

What dramatic changes might the State expect? Media coverage could vane, a guilt or insanity plea, more conclusive evidence revealed?


I think a plea deal may be finalized if the duct tape shows KC's fingerprints. I think when all the evidence is revealed, there is no way JB can win this case. He will hold onto it as long as possible for all the publicity he can get, but if indeed some "rich" benefactor is paying for all this, even they will have to realize they are throwing good money after bad. JMO

[OneUp]

LKB saying that they learned of the duct tape from People Magazine is unbelievably stupid. The discovery was released to them before we even got it. How dumb do they think the public is?! For such a "high profile" lawyer, she is catching Baez' stupidity.LOL....I agree, the discovery being released TO THEM is HOW we got it! I don't think anything is supposed to go public until it gets requested/released to the defense. Isn't that the case?

I'd also counter that Baez has the best source for "discovery" at his disposal, Casey Anthony...I think Casey has felt COMPELLED to share some facts with him, because I don't think she could go this long without "bragging" to someone OR explaining why this isn't all her fault ( in her opinion!). I'm not certain she would bring up the tape...but I am certain he knows some facts the even LE doesn't know, such as the specific day of Caylee's death.
JMO.

[summer4meplz]

:lol: Maybde the fake announcement of Cindys little appearance on geraldo was meant to be a diversion so that she could get out of town?



I doubt it though....but you never know.

is the media still camped out at the anthonys house?

[CelticDawn]

Orlando Sentinel Short Video 1:19

Court discusses Change of Venue in Casey case

If case doesn’t come to trial for another year, things can change dramatically, venue change may not be necessary.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?slug=orl-casey-trial-change-of-venue-wn-013009

What dramatic changes might the State expect? Media coverage could vane, a guilt or insanity plea, more conclusive evidence revealed?

right now, I dont believe Casey would have a snowballs chance in hell of getting an unbiased jury in Orange County.....but give it a year.....people move in....people move out....people find other issues to occupy their time......

[Adalena935]

Bolding mine.
And if anyone believes that I have a bridge I would like to sell them.LOL

..not buying today...:thumbup:

[Mimi428]

Letter's are being passed thru baez...no snail mail,

Do you recall where you heard/read that info? I don't have a link, but about the time the information came about about the jail personnel reprimanding Baez about hugging his client, I recall reading something about how Baez being a mail carrier was also NOT allowed by jail policy.

But, I do not have a link, so I will leave it as JMO.

[happygert]

Orlando Sentinel Short Video 1:19

Court discusses Change of Venue in Casey case

If case doesn’t come to trial for another year, things can change dramatically, venue change may not be necessary.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?slug=orl-casey-trial-change-of-venue-wn-013009

What dramatic changes might the State expect? Media coverage could vane, a guilt or insanity plea, more conclusive evidence revealed?

baez could quit, casey get new attorney plead guilty tell why and how she killed Caylee....:rolleyes: like that would happen....not a snowballs chance in he77....

BTW does baez have any other client besides casey now?

[Neffy]

Orlando Sentinel Short Video 1:19

Court discusses Change of Venue in Casey case

If case doesn’t come to trial for another year, things can change dramatically, venue change may not be necessary.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?slug=orl-casey-trial-change-of-venue-wn-013009

What dramatic changes might the State expect? Media coverage could vane, a guilt or insanity plea, more conclusive evidence revealed?

I was thinking more in line with a COV being named , will Baez then feel that area was prejudiced and file again?

[CelticDawn]

is the media still camped out at the anthonys house?

Im not sure....cant find any cams online right now....

Im pretty sure they were at the very least watching last evening.

[mdibella]

It definitely would be more difficult. It depends upon how much she participates. This appeal works less than people realize. You have to point to something specific that your counsel failed to do. Bumbling through motions, failure to plea, and an inability to articulate well won't cut it. We are way to early in the process to determine how successful she will be. The one thing I took from the interview last night is that LKB is staying in Orlando for a while to work on the case. Hopefully she is giving JB some avenues to persue. It will also depend upon how responsive JB is to her suggestions. I hope he can put his ego aside and accept the help that is being offered. JMO

That is SO true. LKB is miles out of his league in skill and experience. She accepted this case in the early days, before most of the excrement hit the moving blades. I really wonder if she's watching Baez now and thinking, 'What did I get myself into? This guy is a boob!!!'

If I am ever accused of a crime (God forbid) I want LKB as my lawyer. That goes double if I'm guilty...

[happygert]

I would be surprised if Cindy has not written to Casey since phone calls & visitation have been refused. Cindy can't make Casey agree to a visit & she can't make Casey call her, but there is no reason she cannot write to her. Now what she would write, I wouldn't even begin to guess.

JMO

If she sent it to jail I think they open mail and read letters no way would they take that chance of someone reading them..Now baez giving them to her to read then taking letters with him no way would anyone get them in jail..

[trich]

I think these theories are way off base. LE has said over and over that there are no pending charges against George & Cindy. Some of these spins are getting to be as bad as Casey's!

I have to agree.(also if Cindy did it all they had to do was say they knew Casey did it)
Just throw in the little green men did it and if you try hard enough you can make it seem like it works.
Sorry IMO it is what it is.....Casey killed Caylee and I don't for a minute think she had any help from anyone......now all the covering and lying for her yes the whole Anthony clan are responsible.
Including hiding and obstructing justice.

[?noanswer]

I was thinking more in line with a COV being named , will Baez then feel that area was prejudiced and file again?

JB keeps insisting on filing a change of venue, but the State said it would be premature to file one now. Judge told him to go ahead and file and he would hold in abeyance until the time was right.

JMO

[Neffy]

I agree. I don't think G & C knew anything about Caylee's demise until they picked up the car with the smell and then when they found KC and no Caylee, they put 2 and 2 together and hoped against hope that nothing had happened to Caylee. But at that time they knew. JMO

ITA.

They were trying to elicit from Casey that Caylee was in fact not alive. Everything pointed to it but that had that need to hear from Casey herself.

[IM4Truth]

ITA. And why go way out on a limb to locate remote possibilities, when the probabilities become clearer by the day? Just confuses the issue, imo.

I think if LE had information about any other Anthony's involvement in the crime itself, additional arrests would have been made. I think if additional arrests are made, they will be for aiding/abetting (if that's the right term) or obstruction after the fact.

And it has been reported the LE wants to speak to Lee again sometime this week.

[CC I See]

I'm glad to hear that he'll be transferring to another facility Sun. or Mon. he needs to have help coping with all this and I really think for his sake, he's better off out of that house.

.... I know that George has other family other than Cindy, Lee (not counting the odious one) Hopefully, a member will be there for him when he makes the transfer. This is the time for non judgemental family to be present. He needs support now so that he will be able to testify in court. I feel what he has to say will be extremely important for prosecution. He needs to tell what he really saw in the trunk of Casey's car and also say when the last time he saw Casey with Caylee... and not some fairy tale that he thinks will clear his daughter.But then, this might be the real reason he wanted to end his life.... so that he won't have to testify.

[?noanswer]

That is SO true. LKB is miles out of his league in skill and experience. She accepted this case in the early days, before most of the excrement hit the moving blades. I really wonder if she's watching Baez now and thinking, 'What did I get myself into? This guy is a boob!!!'

If I am ever accused of a crime (God forbid) I want LKB as my lawyer. That goes double if I'm guilty...

After her statement last night that they got their info from People's Magazine, she kinda sounds like a boob to me. Two boobs don't make a right!! JMO

[Neffy]

JB keeps insisting on filing a change of venue, but the State said it would be premature to file one now. Judge told him to go ahead and file and he would hold in abeyance until the time was right.

JMO


He had that comment something about wanted to "prepare" the area? Yea ok. I would think he had more pressing things on his mind in dealing with this case then making travel arrangements. His priority's seem to be askew.

[marshmallow]

:lol: Maybde the fake announcement of Cindys little appearance on geraldo was meant to be a diversion so that she could get out of town?



I doubt it though....but you never know.



I think Geraldos wording of "this weekend" was his way of getting people to tune in both nights..

[Topaz423]

I don't think you can detect it at a young age but with time, I'm sure they all knew or suspected something was not right. The symptoms may have started in highschool. They may have dismissed it early on in Casey's childhood as strong character, treated her like a princess, they may even have thought it was cute.

Unfortunately, it didn't stop there. In Casey's case, imo, it continued into her early adult and then into adulthood. She wasn't disciplined in the way most parents would discipline their children when they get out of control. Also, I wonder what effect Cindy and George's separation had on her. Was Cindy too controlling? Was Cindy too preoccupied with her own problems (finances, pending divorce, etc) to even notice what was going on her daughter's life?

What Cindy wrote on her myspace acct on July 3,2008 says it all
a mothers love is deep
until the lies ,betrayal and jealousy from Casey
leads to Cindy never speaking to Caylee again

It is hard for me to accept this innocent version from Caseys parents
they are walking in the dark
IMO we would all back them and feel for them if they would be honest
like Cindy was the day she posted her feelings on myspace
What could have happened to change her theory?

Casey never mentioned Caylee being kidnapped the night Cindy picked her up
in the car she never mentioned nanny took her
only that she was okay with the nanny
cindy knew better
Cindy was in a panic by then and knew...it was bad
but somehow she made the choice to protect

She blatently told LE she did not care where casey was, she only wanted caylee back

seems funny how that changed when the media folks started offering $200,000 for picture rights
oh thats right C&G never got that money
okay what eva you say
so many lies and now the defense team too
looking in people mag for info
ludicrous

[IM4Truth]

If she sent it to jail I think they open mail and read letters no way would they take that chance of someone reading them..Now baez giving them to her to read then taking letters with him no way would anyone get them in jail..

I thought I read or heard where OCC does open mail to look for contraband but does not read every piece of mail. The mail is not made public record.

[happygert]

That is SO true. LKB is miles out of his league in skill and experience. She accepted this case in the early days, before most of the excrement hit the moving blades. I really wonder if she's watching Baez now and thinking, 'What did I get myself into? This guy is a boob!!!'

If I am ever accused of a crime (God forbid) I want LKB as my lawyer. That goes double if I'm guilty...

I dont know about LKB either last night on GR she said they had to learn about the duct tape from people mag.. WE know that's not true it was in the doc dumps they received before they were made public..
Im thinking birds of a feather flock together.. two peas in a pod.. she may have more experience but...Not so sure she's not following baez leads about whining and lying..jmo even her hubby was talking about the duct tape found on Caylee's mouth...

[marshmallow]

He had that comment something about wanted to "prepare" the area? Yea ok. I would think he had more pressing things on his mind in dealing with this case then making travel arrangements. His priority's seem to be askew.

if he's so worried about media slanting maybe he should stop going on the media and talking.

[?noanswer]

And it has been reported the LE wants to speak to Lee again sometime this week.


They probably want to ask him what his lawyer is talking about in all those press releases!! It's almost like the lawyer is trying to get L in trouble. JMO

[CelticDawn]

I think Geraldos wording of "this weekend" was his way of getting people to tune in both nights..

I had to miss it and Im glad I did....I swore off him after he tried to drag Mr Kronk through the slop.

[Balesha]

I think a plea deal may be finalized if the duct tape shows KC's fingerprints. I think when all the evidence is revealed, there is no way JB can win this case. He will hold onto it as long as possible for all the publicity he can get, but if indeed some "rich" benefactor is paying for all this, even they will have to realize they are throwing good money after bad. JMO

I think she's done and we don't even have all of the evidence. Not sure what the defence is thinking or planning, but going to trial is not going to help Casey one bit.

[mdibella]

After her statement last night that they got their info from People's Magazine, she kinda sounds like a boob to me. Two boobs don't make a right!! JMO

Well, don't you think Jose might have found a moment to mention it to her, so she didn't have to read about it in a magazine???

[OneUp]

Frankly, I'm surprised that she would be second chair to a doofus. IMO
I don't think that LKB plans to be second chair for long...IMO, her plan is to take the lead when Baez goes. I do think he will end up off this case eventually...anyone but me notice that the "investigations" into his ethics, etc. stepped up when LKB came to the team?
I've wondered if she nudged somone into filing the requests that he be investigated in an attempt to get him off the case. He is OBVIOUSLY screwing this up for his client every which way.
JMO.

[forensicfan]

I didn't watch because I don't get Fox but read the updates from our wonderful posters last night, I couldn't help but laugh at the ridiculous statement made that they found out about the duct tape from the People Magazine article. Do they really think we're that stupid?

Was Jose Baez waiting in line at the check out at the grocery store when he picked up a copy of People Magazine and read about there? C'mon....Jose. You can do better than that!

He needs another smack down from Judge Strickland. Do your homework, JOSE!:rolleyes:

For real?!?!?!?!?? He actually said that he didn't know about the duct tape until the magazine article came out?? He's her freakin lawyer! The duct tape was news almost immediately! Good grief, I just want to reach through the TV and slap him for that bold faced lie! Like client, like attorney!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Change in defense attorneys, essentially requiring a new start on that side of the house?

A possibility, IMO.

[IM4Truth]

JB keeps insisting on filing a change of venue, but the State said it would be premature to file one now. Judge told him to go ahead and file and he would hold in abeyance until the time was right.

JMO

I think the judge added something like or "pulling it" if need be.

[Neffy]

It definitely would be more difficult. It depends upon how much she participates. This appeal works less than people realize. You have to point to something specific that your counsel failed to do. Bumbling through motions, failure to plea, and an inability to articulate well won't cut it. We are way to early in the process to determine how successful she will be. The one thing I took from the interview last night is that LKB is staying in Orlando for a while to work on the case. Hopefully she is giving JB some avenues to persue. It will also depend upon how responsive JB is to her suggestions. I hope he can put his ego aside and accept the help that is being offered. JMO

IMO the focus on appeals is that is they're only chance. To find a technicallity that will be reversable. Straight up they have no defense.

[?noanswer]

He had that comment something about wanted to "prepare" the area? Yea ok. I would think he had more pressing things on his mind in dealing with this case then making travel arrangements. His priority's seem to be askew.

Exactly. He wants to make sure the TV cameras are there for his PCs!! JMO

[SwFlorida]

Not sure but Im guessing they do...

Yes you are right, they do.

[steffaroob4]

A possibility, IMO.

Did you hear LKB state she has been on the case for about 6 weeks?

[?noanswer]

I think Geraldos wording of "this weekend" was his way of getting people to tune in both nights..

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Hear that Geraldo? JMO

[happygert]

I thought I read or heard where OCC does open mail to look for contraband but does not read every piece of mail. The mail is not made public record.

I would guess casey's mail would be read..jmo

[mdibella]

Did you hear LKB state she has been on the case for about 6 weeks?


I don't think that's true. I distinctly remember her joining the team fairly early on.

I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time :confused:

[summer4meplz]

Baez uses a spokesman who is not real. Todd Black admitted that his name is not really Todd Black. How does Baez think he has any chance at trial without credibility? :drool:


I mentioned this yesterday, but yet....the florida bar accepted the word of a man who won't even give his name and dropped the investigation into baez? doesn't make sense

[Cury-us Coyote]

finger prints on duct tape...:thumbsup:
or DNA

IIRC, the only new People Mag information from Desmom's link, was the alleged statement GA made to hospital personnel about not ingesting any pills. Seems unlikely the hospital would release that, IMO.
jmo

[happygert]

Did you hear LKB state she has been on the case for about 6 weeks?

She was there day after Caylee's body was found..they wanted in crime scene...so that woud be about right Dec 12 was when she was in court room first time IIRC.....

[forensicfan]

Where was Caylee really....

when Casey said she was with the nanny?

nothing else matters

I had always wondered why George didn't ask her that when he noticed that Caylee showed no recognition of the name Zenaida when he asked her how her day was with Zanny and Zach. If I remember correctly, he said that he thought it was strange that she didn't seem to know who he was talking about but could elaborate a bit (as much as a 2 yr can) about someone she did know.

I think I would have probably asked her what she did that day or who was she with after getting that reaction.

[steffaroob4]

I don't think that's true. I distinctly remember her joining the team fairly early on.

I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time :confused:

She said that on Geraldo last night.