Sunday, February 1st Part I

[steffaroob4]

IIRC, the only new People Mag information from Desmom's link, was the alleged statement GA made to hospital personnel about not ingesting any pills. Seems unlikely the hospital would release that, IMO.
jmo

What did LKB mean then, when she said they found out info about the duct tape from people magazine article?
I am so confused...

[Neffy]

I so agree with this, Neffy. No sense of urgency about doing serious prep for this trial. Just a bunch of whiny motions about how he's not getting what he needs from the prosecution, and some junk motions intended to show the state what a tough guy he is, and additional junk motions to show his client the extents he'll go to to keep her happy.

He made a point on Friday to say it's very important that he knows where the trial will be held, so he can start preparing for the COV. How about if he starts deposing the state's witness list instead? That alone will take a year, I would think.

He strikes me as just plain lazy. He seems to think his defense case is somehow going to prep itself while he does impromptu media appearances, files wasteful motions, and visits Casey in jail in the middle of the night. And the fact he has looked inept and incompetent up to this point doesn't seem to affect him at all. He's not changing his MO at all, or appearing to get down to the serious business of preparing for trial. I really have no respect for the man at all. He deserves all he's got coming to him for mishandling this case in this manner.

Baez cracked me up when making that comment of only recieving NeJame's motion the day before at 3pm. Strickland concur's Yea I got mine at 3pm to AKA what's your point whiner! ROFL!

[?noanswer]

I don't think that's true. I distinctly remember her joining the team fairly early on.

I could be wrong though, wouldn't be the first time :confused:

I don't know when her contract was signed, but wasn't she in court with JB the day Caylee's body was found? If she had just come on board at that time then 6/7 weeks would be correct. (12-11-08 til 01-31-09) I remember the big march of most of the "dream team" + JB down to the body recovery site. JMO

[IM4Truth]

Yep, and them searching their own back yard before the police got there is bizarre. Unless you were looking for the dead body you hid out there on the day she was murdered. I think they knew long before that jail visit that Caylee was dead and the entire conversation they had that day was an exchange between mother and daughter over where the body was, not the living child.

Yes, they did know long before the jail visit, they knew it on July 16th when they picked the car up. They went so far as to thinking Casey might have buried Caylee in the back yard and went in search for the evidence. Yes, I agree that Cindy was trying to find out what Casey did with the body in their exchange.

[?noanswer]

What did LKB mean then, when she said they found out info about the duct tape from people magazine article?
I am so confused...

It's just more moan, groan, whine poor little ole defense team. Nobody will help them. They should know their job is to do their own investigation. But NO, they are too busy fileing motions and doing PC's to help themselves. JMO

[Mimi428]

I thought I read or heard where OCC does open mail to look for contraband but does not read every piece of mail. The mail is not made public record.

I am guessing that Florida has as much trouble with gangs as any other state. The jail personnel would be remiss if they did not at least scan the letters being received & sent by inmates on that basis alone.

As an example & reference point - the two men who were on trial for murdering someone in my family were stupid enough to write back & forth to one another, agreeing that each one would blame the other at their individual trials...

[IM4Truth]

If she sent it to jail I think they open mail and read letters no way would they take that chance of someone reading them..Now baez giving them to her to read then taking letters with him no way would anyone get them in jail..

Nothing about reading the mail. You can call them to confirm though.

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/BUSINESS/jail/InmateMail.htm

If you have questions about inmate mail, call or email the mailroom:

Mail Room: (407) 836-3599 or (407) 836-0350 Email
The Mail Services Section provides, sorts and delivers mail to both inmates and employees. The mailroom processes more than 127 tons of mail annually for the department's more than 1,700 employees and more than 4,000 inmates. Each piece of inmate mail must be opened and checked for contraband items.

[forensicfan]

Time to go and be a domestic goddess b4 the superbowl comes on. Have fun all!

[happygert]

IIRC, the only new People Mag information from Desmom's link, was the alleged statement GA made to hospital personnel about not ingesting any pills. Seems unlikely the hospital would release that, IMO.
jmo

Cury IIRC he also told LE that he didnt..My guess is thats why they didn't call EMT'S.. Nothing taken..jmho..

[really3997]

I so agree with this, Neffy. No sense of urgency about doing serious prep for this trial. Just a bunch of whiny motions about how he's not getting what he needs from the prosecution, and some junk motions intended to show the state what a tough guy he is, and additional junk motions to show his client the extents he'll go to to keep her happy.

He made a point on Friday to say it's very important that he knows where the trial will be held, so he can start preparing for the COV. How about if he starts deposing the state's witness list instead? That alone will take a year, I would think.

He strikes me as just plain lazy. He seems to think his defense case is somehow going to prep itself while he does impromptu media appearances, files wasteful motions, and visits Casey in jail in the middle of the night. And the fact he has looked inept and incompetent up to this point doesn't seem to affect him at all. He's not changing his MO at all, or appearing to get down to the serious business of preparing for trial. I really have no respect for the man at all. He deserves all he's got coming to him for mishandling this case in this manner.

I also got the impression that the Judge wanted this to move along and wanted to know if they even starting depo witnessess...I think the Judge will be getting more and more firm with Baez if this prolongs on to long...

[Dunlurken]

I missed Geraldo last night. Did Cindy show? Does anyone have a link? My three year old grand daughter spent the night with us, and we stayed up until 11:00 p.m. telling stories. Jack and Beanstalk, Cinderella, discussing family names, etc.

Link anyone? I'm exhausted. JMO.

[openminded]

No I don't think Cindy knew.

I agree. There's no way, IMO, that Cindy knew. I think her comment meant only that she didn't believe the "Zani took Caylee" story.

I believe that she had no idea where Caylee was and desperately tried to find out from Casey.

[Dunlurken]

What did LKB mean then, when she said they found out info about the duct tape from people magazine article?
I am so confused...

Means she's uninformed. JMO.

[RiverWalk]

I missed Geraldo last night. Did Cindy show? Does anyone have a link? My three year old grand daughter spent the night with us, and we stayed up until 11:00 p.m. telling stories. Jack and Beanstalk, Cinderella, discussing family names, etc.

Link anyone? I'm exhausted. JMO.

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[Cury-us Coyote]

I dont know about LKB either last night on GR she said they had to learn about the duct tape from people mag.. WE know that's not true it was in the doc dumps they received before they were made public..
Im thinking birds of a feather flock together.. two peas in a pod.. she may have more experience but...Not so sure she's not following baez leads about whining and lying..jmo even her hubby was talking about the duct tape found on Caylee's mouth...

IMO, via Sunshine Laws it became obvious the Baez legal team is using the documents released via discovery to create and quote the documents in their subsequent motions. Apparently JB and LKB's targeted audience do not include those who have read the document releases or they would make a different argument, IMO.
jmo

[steffaroob4]

It's just more moan, groan, whine poor little ole defense team. Nobody will help them. They should know their job is to do their own investigation. But NO, they are too busy fileing motions and doing PC's to help themselves. JMO

Now I can understand that, they are very whiney.

[Shanona]

Yes, they did know long before the jail visit, they knew it on July 16th when they picked the car up. They went so far as to thinking Casey might have buried Caylee in the back yard and went in search for the evidence. Yes, I agree that Cindy was trying to find out what Casey did with the body in their exchange.

Hi All....

This drives me especially crazy. They BOTH knew what that smell was when they picked up the car from the tow yard. They hadn't seen Caylee in a month and had been in sporadic contact with Casey. They knew the minute they picked up that car and went into cover up mode right away. The fact that Cindy chose to go back to work just BLOWS my mind....and even said the car smelled like death. Her supervisor basically had to send her home as she stated that she "had too much work to do" and was going to let Casey explain herself. What? Are you kidding me?

And when she did finally get home....she got to cleaning and washing pants. A nurse and a former cop never thought to call the police? I cannot get my head around that. It's ridiculous.

[Dunlurken]

Wonder why Cindy was a no show on Geraldo last night? Glad I didn't stay up to hear Jose whining again. He keeps complaining about discovery being leaked. What difference does it make? It will eventually all come out and he will have to deal with it at trial which could be a year away. jmo
Thanks. I'm reading back. LOL.

Cindy was a no show. Go figure. JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

If that's true, then what is their purpose in withholding a written report & in turn giving it to Baez? Seems FBI, LE & prosecutors would want to throw out everything incriminating they have, just give it to them & let them see how fruitless it is to let this thing go to trial. I'm sure they would be thrilled to get a GP & wash their hands of the whole mess. What is the strategy in withholding everything that's truly incriminating until trial? Just putting the pressure on?

Sorry, but the legal side of things piques my interest more so than all the theatrics in the media & who's wearing what, and this withholding the most incriminating evidence (if that's what is going on, I don't know)gets on my last nerve. I see this happen all too often with lawyers & prosecutors alike, just dragging it out as long as they can.

I think the delay in releasing the duct tape report is that they found fibers and possibly hair on the tape. It takes time to match the fibers to any of the clothing taken in the search warrants from the anthony home. I seriously doubt if the prosecution is playing games with the evidence, they don't need to imo.

[happygert]

Nothing about reading the mail. You can call them to confirm though.

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/cms/BUSINESS/jail/InmateMail.htm

If you have questions about inmate mail, call or email the mailroom:

Mail Room: (407) 836-3599 or (407) 836-0350 Email
The Mail Services Section provides, sorts and delivers mail to both inmates and employees. The mailroom processes more than 127 tons of mail annually for the department's more than 1,700 employees and more than 4,000 inmates. Each piece of inmate mail must be opened and checked for contraband items.

I will call again tomorrow....got answering machine ..However I really doubt they will tell me if the mail is read..Have had Police Officers and Correction Officers In Family for many years. In State I live in They do read inmates mail.. They read outgoing and incoming.. has anyone got a letter from DOC and seen where something was marked out? Some of mail is very explict they mark that out..

[IM4Truth]

Hi All....

This drives me especially crazy. They BOTH knew what that smell was when they picked up the car from the tow yard. They hadn't seen Caylee in a month and had been in sporadic contact with Casey. They knew the minute they picked up that car and went into cover up mode right away. The fact that Cindy chose to go back to work just BLOWS my mind....and even said the car smelled like death. Her supervisor basically had to send her home as she stated that she "had too much work to do" and was going to let Casey explain herself. What? Are you kidding me?

And when she did finally get home....she got to cleaning and washing pants. A nurse and a former cop never thought to call the police? I cannot get my head around that. It's ridiculous.

Stated very clearly and very accurately. Cindy was still in the denial stage though and hoping for the best. She probably went back to work so she could try to keep from thinking about it until she could speak to Casey.

[trich]

After her statement last night that they got their info from People's Magazine, she kinda sounds like a boob to me. Two boobs don't make a right!! JMO



Now I like that !:thumbsup:

[Pag Boi]

They probably want to ask him what his lawyer is talking about in all those press releases!! It's almost like the lawyer is trying to get L in trouble. JMO

:lol: I soiled my screen.



IIRC, Lee saw thru JB early on & told Casey during a jail visit. Why would he allow a JB mutant to rep him?? Too many clowns to count in this case.


For Caylee :rose:

[IM4Truth]

I will call again tomorrow....got answering machine ..However I really doubt they will tell me if the mail is read..Have had Police Officers and Correction Officers In Family for many years. In State I live in They do read inmates mail.. They read outgoing and incoming.. has anyone got a letter from DOC and seen where something was marked out? Some of mail is very explict they mark that out..

I have no doubt that some officers read the mail out of curiosity. No, I have never gotten a letter from anyone in DOC. I've never known anyone in jail or prison.

[happygert]

IMO, via Sunshine Laws it became obvious the Baez legal team is using the documents released via discovery to create and quote the documents in their subsequent motions. Apparently JB and LKB's targeted audience do not include those who have read the document releases or they would make a different argument, IMO.
jmo


Dang Cury your good! I never thought of that...and no doubt you're right..

[Lapis]

I think the delay in releasing the duct tape report is that they found fibers and possibly hair on the tape. It takes time to match the fibers to any of the clothing taken in the search warrants from the anthony home. I seriously doubt if the prosecution is playing games with the evidence, they don't need to imo.

ITA and Please try to remember people this is not the only case on the FBI lab docket. I know some of us think this is the only case in the world but there is really no reason for the FBI to rush through any of this. They need to take their time do it right and they will not be vulnerable to attack at the time of trial. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Video of Geraldo's show last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWZr_jK5Vg&eurl=http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10467&page=9

Thanks for the link. Good God! Hard to watch. Are they both inept or what? JMO.

Ineffective counsel. Not doing their job if they didn't know about the duct tape until they read People Magazine. Good Lord! THUD! Do they think people are just plain stoopid? :mad:

[?noanswer]

I will call again tomorrow....got answering machine ..However I really doubt they will tell me if the mail is read..Have had Police Officers and Correction Officers In Family for many years. In State I live in They do read inmates mail.. They read outgoing and incoming.. has anyone got a letter from DOC and seen where something was marked out? Some of mail is very explict they mark that out..

It makes sense that they would preview mail, but I don't know if they do. KC was saying all her mail was positive. I believe that someone like the protestors would write her. I don't think those letters would be positive. JMO

[trich]

I think the delay in releasing the duct tape report is that they found fibers and possibly hair on the tape. It takes time to match the fibers to any of the clothing taken in the search warrants from the anthony home. I seriously doubt if the prosecution is playing games with the evidence, they don't need to imo.

It was already stated in the discovery docs that the tape was
stuck to the hair ...which they said was similar to what was found in the trunk.
If you want to believe what the defense is saying i would suggest they start reading the documents just as we do.:tonguewag:

[happygert]

I have no doubt that some officers read the mail out of curiosity. No, I have never gotten a letter from anyone in DOC. I've never known anyone in jail or prison.

Sorry didn't mean you .. I was just asking a question in general... Sorry ..IM4Truth...I haven't either but have heard My Brother In Law talk about some of things that were wrote and they have to black them out...And some things that were sent with them like pictures ...

[marshmallow]

I will call again tomorrow....got answering machine ..However I really doubt they will tell me if the mail is read..Have had Police Officers and Correction Officers In Family for many years. In State I live in They do read inmates mail.. They read outgoing and incoming.. has anyone got a letter from DOC and seen where something was marked out? Some of mail is very explict they mark that out..

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/inmates/writing.html


?? is that right?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Did you hear LKB state she has been on the case for about 6 weeks?

I heard that also. In reviewing GR's website, I was reminded a member of GR's team investigated and revealed as fraudulent the physic/dousing rod family was the same as the alleged PI phone contact. What irony, IMO.

http://www.geraldo.com/v5/

[CelticDawn]

Hi All....

This drives me especially crazy. They BOTH knew what that smell was when they picked up the car from the tow yard. They hadn't seen Caylee in a month and had been in sporadic contact with Casey. They knew the minute they picked up that car and went into cover up mode right away. The fact that Cindy chose to go back to work just BLOWS my mind....and even said the car smelled like death. Her supervisor basically had to send her home as she stated that she "had too much work to do" and was going to let Casey explain herself. What? Are you kidding me?

And when she did finally get home....she got to cleaning and washing pants. A nurse and a former cop never thought to call the police? I cannot get my head around that. It's ridiculous.

No kidding...!!!


Two people who by their professions experience would most probably know.....even ONE exsperience with that....and you know what the smell is.

[IM4Truth]

It makes sense that they would preview mail, but I don't know if they do. KC was saying all her mail was positive. I believe that someone like the protestors would write her. I don't think those letters would be positive. JMO

And we would believe Casey......why??? Time for me to run for awhile today, things to do. I'll be back later.

[happygert]

It makes sense that they would preview mail, but I don't know if they do. KC was saying all her mail was positive. I believe that someone like the protestors would write her. I don't think those letters would be positive. JMO

No you wouldn't think it would be...

[Dunlurken]

The mail is read before it's passed on. References to sex, etc., are blacked out. Plus lots of other stuff. JMO.

My head is still swimming over the Geraldo show last night. :confused:

[Neffy]

IMO, via Sunshine Laws it became obvious the Baez legal team is using the documents released via discovery to create and quote the documents in their subsequent motions. Apparently JB and LKB's targeted audience do not include those who have read the document releases or they would make a different argument, IMO.
jmo

Exactly. When it all boils down Baez is whining that he doesn't have these documents well in advance of the sunshine law allowing their release. His stance has never waivered. He wants a person at LE/FBI headquarters and wants to be a fly on the wall when they find something also he wants to be the one to decide when the sunshine law should kick into effect.

I'm surprised he doesn't insist on all phone calls to be recorded and video camera's rollling along with all their notes, doodling etc. As I said. He's literally asking for a desk to be placed there. Why. He's waiting to find his AHA moment. The AHA moment being looked for is a legal technicalllity.

[Dunlurken]

Any word on George? JMO.

[happygert]

Thanks for the link. Good God! Hard to watch. Are they both inept or what? JMO.

Ineffective counsel. Not doing their job if they didn't know about the duct tape until they read People Magazine. Good Lord! THUD! Do they think people are just plain stoopid? :mad:

I'd say......Too busy being front and center in the media, making deals and whining about the other side. To read docs.......jmho..

[?noanswer]

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/inmates/writing.html


?? is that right?

Those rules are rather strict. All mail is screened. Wonder what it is about polaroid photographs that makes them prohibited. (Guess that will become a mute point in the near future as I think they are no longer making the film)

"Polaroid photographs will not be permitted."


JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

What did LKB mean then, when she said they found out info about the duct tape from people magazine article?
I am so confused...

Perhaps an assumption from the 'read between the lines' phrase?

[RiverWalk]

Any word on George? JMO.

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[Dunlurken]

I'd say......Too busy being front and center in the media, making deals and whining about the other side. To read docs.......jmho..

I agree. Do their job. LKB did say she had only met Casey the day before. She needs to go away. Trying to be kind. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Actually, with all their smoke and mirrors, they are creating an unbiased jury pool. will come back to bite them in the azz. JMO.

[~tj~]

No you wouldn't think it would be...
Or...She's yet AGAIN fibbing and just said that all her mail had been positive!:sneaky:


Anyone know her address for jail....and how to write it exactly?? I'd love to drop her a lil note!!:lol:

[steffaroob4]

I heard that also. In reviewing GR's website, I was reminded a member of GR's team investigated and revealed as fraudulent the physic/dousing rod family was the same as the alleged PI phone contact. What irony, IMO.

http://www.geraldo.com/v5/

NO WAY
How could GR forget that fact?
I am looking for it now.

[Dunlurken]

Or...She's yet AGAIN fibbing and just said that all her mail had been positive!:sneaky:


Anyone know her address for jail....and how to write it exactly?? I'd love to drop her a lil note!!:lol:

Hey send her some money for her commissary fund. Just kidding. I heard on Nancy Grace that a woman from Florida and one from California is sending money into her account. :confused:

The shrink tried to figure out why anyone would do that. What she said didn't work for me. JMO.

[Neffy]

Video of Geraldo's show last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWZr_jK5Vg&eurl=http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10467&page=9

:eek:ooooooooo no! That was it. That was the whole interview
I YI YI!

[happygert]

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/inmates/writing.html


?? is that right?

Thank you Marshmallow... No different in Fl as to reading mail as it is in my state...Maybe thats the norm every where..

Inmate's last name, first name, DC#
Institution name
Mailing address
City, State Zip Code
Example:
Doe, John DC# 012456
Some Correctional Institution
1212 South Street
Any Town, Florida 11111


f. All routine mail sent to an inmate is opened, examined and read by designated department staff.

[CelticDawn]

Or...She's yet AGAIN fibbing and just said that all her mail had been positive!:sneaky:


Anyone know her address for jail....and how to write it exactly?? I'd love to drop her a lil note!!:lol:

I would too .....if my name could somehow be kept out of the tabs.... :chicken: <It would be MY luck they would label me her bestest buddy...!!!>

[Neffy]

This whole big, bad, mean prosecution defense theme is going to backfire on them just like everything else, imo. Even those who don't follow the case closely will think the defense are complete boobs to sit on television and claim they're getting their information from the media instead of through official channels. Most people understand things don't operate that way. JB and LKB don't serve themselves or their client well by trying to look pitiful and pull the wool over the public's eyes.

IMO they're coming off as dumber than a box of rocks.

[?noanswer]

http://www.randomhouse.com/kvpa/badenkenney/

has a recap of LKB's professional life up to 2005. JMO

[happygert]

Those rules are rather strict. All mail is screened. Wonder what it is about polaroid photographs that makes them prohibited. (Guess that will become a mute point in the near future as I think they are no longer making the film)

"Polaroid photographs will not be permitted."


JMO


Polaroid film has 2 pieces the black back and the front where picture is you can peel the black back off...be a good hiding place for drugs...jmo

[Dunlurken]

IMO they're coming off as dumber than a box of rocks.

IMO, this makes me wonder if Prosecution thinks ineffective counsel could come into play here. If Baez claims he hasn't seen discovery, then he's dumb as dirt. Excuse the pun. I'm thinking this may be why this could be at least a year before it goes to trial. JMO.

[8BellesFan]

Anyone besides me think that George will never return to Hopespring?

[Shanona]

Stated very clearly and very accurately. Cindy was still in the denial stage though and hoping for the best. She probably went back to work so she could try to keep from thinking about it until she could speak to Casey.

I agree with this part to a point....but I believe that this behavior was common for Cindy. We only have to look at the 7 month denial of Casey's pregnancy for that. Cindy only chooses to see what she wants to see and denies what is staring her in the face.


moo

[happygert]

:eek:ooooooooo no! That was it. That was the whole interview
I YI YI!

yep that was it....real BOMBSHELL........roflamo.....:rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

Okay, so I read the People magazine article. And I realize People is a bit of a tabloid. I also realize the use of unnamed sources can be a tricky, shady bit of business.

But with that said, seems to me the article further backs up the theory many of us here have that things were a hot mess at the House of Anthony for many years, and not just since mid-June 2008.

It also backs up comments about Cindy's personality (controlling and domineering). And George's MO (he kowtowed to her). And the situation between Casey and Cindy (toxic).
Bottom line. What does that have to do with who killed Caylee? Many homes are full of toxic relationships and people, but toddlers aren't dead. Just scarred emotionally for life.
JMO.

[marshmallow]

Okay, so I read the People magazine article. And I realize People is a bit of a tabloid. I also realize the use of unnamed sources can be a tricky, shady bit of business.

But with that said, seems to me the article further backs up the theory many of us here have that things were a hot mess at the House of Anthony for many years, and not just since mid-June 2008.

It also backs up comments about Cindy's personality (controlling and domineering). And George's MO (he kowtowed to her). And the situation between Casey and Cindy (toxic).



we subscribe to People. The menfolk like to read it in the throne room, believe it or not. I read the article and felt for Cindy and George, to be showm skivvies flapping in the wind must be total hell for Cindy. Appearance seems so important to her.

But I agree, the article really didn't say much that we hadn't talked about here already.

[Dunlurken]

Anyone besides me think that George will never return to Hopespring?

If Cindy stays away from him, he won't return. JMO.

[happygert]

Anyone besides me think that George will never return to Hopespring?

Don't know was thinking last night there maybe a divorce coming down after the trial...jmo...I think GA maybe the one to tell all.. I was watching him in his interviews he acts a little odd when hes talking, the way he rolls his eyes, shrugs his shoulders the smirks.....just very weird.imo.. Getting to the point where i don't want to see any of them on TV........eeekkkk

[crymeariver2006]

Polaroid film has 2 pieces the black back and the front where picture is you can peel the black back off...be a good hiding place for drugs...jmo


You and I must have watched the same program where the jailers were showing all the "contraband" slipped in thru Polaroids!

LOL

:laugh:

[Shanona]

Bottom line. What does that have to do with who killed Caylee? Many homes are full of toxic relationships and people, but toddlers aren't dead. Just scarred emotionally for life.
JMO.

Casey's home environment had a direct effect on the development of her personality just like anyone else. Casey has a personality disorder, she is sociopathic and narcissistic. Just like not all toxic homes produce sociopaths some do. Not all sociopaths kill either. This one did. You cannot discount her upbringing. She wasn't born that way....she was created.

[crymeariver2006]

Anyone besides me think that George will never return to Hopespring?

You're not alone.

The only person in that house who treated George like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread was murdered.

:sad:

[Kathlb]

If Cindy stays away from him, he won't return. JMO.

You know, that hadn't entered my mind, but you could be so right. This may be his out he's needed. He could go to his folks' after discharge for R&R and just stay there.

[Explorer]

Nope.

The only person in that house who treated George like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread was murdered.

:sad:

How true! Thats why he is taking it so hard. He is the only one in that tribe that is not as cold as ice.

[happygert]

IMO, this makes me wonder if Prosecution thinks ineffective counsel could come into play here. If Baez claims he hasn't seen discovery, then he's dumb as dirt. Excuse the pun. I'm thinking this may be why this could be at least a year before it goes to trial. JMO.

IMO he needs to get his azz off the media throne and get back to reading his own discovery documents and start taking depos.. He's just making himself look more incompetent. And quit blaming everyone else for his incomptence..I'm also betting he's using those students to do his work while he's doing interviews...jmho... I'm also guessing he hasn't a clue in the world how to get ready for this trial or try the case.......JMHO....

[Mamie]

The mail is read before it's passed on. References to sex, etc., are blacked out. Plus lots of other stuff. JMO.

My head is still swimming over the Geraldo show last night. :confused:


And speaking of Geraldo, as distasteful as it is, does he just fly by the seat of his pants or what? He was reading and trying to put the copy into his words and just hemmed and hawed all over the place----not to mention the fact that the pretty little gal that gave the news just before that segment of his show, gave that very piece of news he was floundering in! Geez, Geraldo, you're a big boy now! JMO

[?noanswer]

Polaroid film has 2 pieces the black back and the front where picture is you can peel the black back off...be a good hiding place for drugs...jmo


Makes sense. It's been years since I have seen a Polaroid picture. Forgot how they work. JMO

[daHawg]

Re: mail/letters going from and to Casey through Baez. See page 5 & 6 of Cindy's cell phone report back in August, where Lee texts Cindy and says BTW we should not speak of any letters from Casey and also in another says Jose has individual messages to each of them (George, Cindy & Lee) from Casey that he wants to give them after the vigil.

IMO Casey/A's are not using snail mail.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1572445/cindy-anthony-cell-phone-report

[?noanswer]

Okay, so I read the People magazine article. And I realize People is a bit of a tabloid. I also realize the use of unnamed sources can be a tricky, shady bit of business.

But with that said, seems to me the article further backs up the theory many of us here have that things were a hot mess at the House of Anthony for many years, and not just since mid-June 2008.

It also backs up comments about Cindy's personality (controlling and domineering). And George's MO (he kowtowed to her). And the situation between Casey and Cindy (toxic).

I haven't read the article, but sounds like it contains things that most of the poster on this board could have written using the info from the board. JMO

[happygert]

I've said that before, cry. The only person who thought George was great was Caylee. And say what we will about George's character flaws, each of us needs to feel like a hero in at least one person's eyes.

By the same token the only person in that house that thought Caylee was great the best thing since sliced bread was George.....Neighbors never said anything about cindy or casey pulling Caylee with her baby doll around the neighborhood...The other 2 in that house was jealous of each other and Caylee.because of the attention Goerge gave Caylee ...jmo

[?noanswer]

If Cindy stays away from him, he won't return. JMO.

He might go to his parent's house. Didn't he stay there when he and C were seperated? JMO

[5boxersmom]

Well Geraldo was a waste last night. :rolleyes:

So Baez and LKB learned about the duct tape from People Magazine. Huh. I thought Baez got his info from Jessica the reporter. :biggrin:

jmo

[happygert]

Re: mail/letters going from and to Casey through Baez. See page 5 & 6 of Cindy's cell phone report back in August, where Lee texts Cindy and says BTW we should not speak of any letters from Casey and also in another says Jose has individual messages to each of them (George, Cindy & Lee) from Casey that he wants to give them after the vigil.

IMO Casey/A's are not using snail mail.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1572445/cindy-anthony-cell-phone-report

No they never did send snail mail only sneak mail...jmo...they knew they'd be read...

[5boxersmom]

By the same token the only person in that house that thought Caylee was great the best thing since sliced bread was George.....Neighbors never said anything about cindy or casey pulling Caylee with her baby doll around the neighborhood...The other 2 in that house was jealous of each other and Caylee.because of the attention Goerge gave Caylee ...jmo

That is so sad gert. I thought my grandpa was the greatest too. Still do. :sad:

I will never understand the jealousy thing. I would have been upset if my parents had not loved my child, not that they loved him.

jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

NO WAY
How could GR forget that fact?
I am looking for it now.

Did you find it? Watch until the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8BxmXHRaBI

[8BellesFan]

He might go to his parent's house. Didn't he stay there when he and C were separated? JMO

In hindsight, the separation is intriguing to me. Caylee was newborn. I suspect on no concrete knowledge of course, that things came to a head shortly after the birth. maybe he went back for the sake of the child and himself. who really knows? but now I think he cannot balance his life's ledger sheet of all the turmoil in that house. I'm not taking George out of my equation cause I really do think he was lax in not calling the police at the towyard, but I think he finally dropped his basket as Vivianne Walker would say.

[RiverWalk]

I was thinking the same thing -- one more huge blow to Cindy's effort to hang onto the perfect family image she tried so desperately to project.

The picture she posed for with the stuffed animal is a complete contradiction to the content of the article. Something else Cindy isn't able to control. I'm sure she's not happy.

I was at a basketball game last night and was peeking over the shoulder of a lady in front of me. She had the People mag. and was thumbing through it. It looked like a picture of Cindy holding a teddy bear and her fingers were making the OK sign with one hand. Did I see that correctly or making too much of it? Just seemed an odd way to cuddle a bear.

MOO

[8BellesFan]

"And George's MO (he kowtowed to her)." - addressing this.

Someone else a few days ago brought up that point and raised a good point. Whoever the poster was had said that they felt that George was the controlling one in the family because he always seemed to take the background and let his woman get out there and do all the talking and then take the fall as looking like the idiot, meanwhile he is in the background, with his nose clean. This poster said that this is typical behavior in an abusive relationship and that she felt that George had been the one dominating Cindy not vice versa. If you look at Cindy's past, she is the one that is always scrambling to make the bills, find and hold a job, try to keep the family isolated from others (this in itself is a huge red flag) and perhaps she is the one who kowtowed to him, not vice versa. I think that this idea might be very valid. Just thought I would bring that up.


maybe she was always scrambling to make the bills because she let her daughter get away with too much carpola...now up to and including murder.

[happygert]

That is so sad gert. I thought my grandpa was the greatest too. Still do. :sad:

I will never understand the jealousy thing. I would have been upset if my parents had not loved my child, not that they loved him.

jmo

I don't understand it either..Exactly what parent would be upset because of the love their child was shown? I'll never get it..
Too bad GA didnt have the guts to stick up for himself long ago..
Can you imagine what he's put up with those 2 for the last 22 years?
But IMO he allowed himself to be placed in that situation.. Should have acted like a man years ago instead of a whipped pup..Maybe he's seen the light now.. It's time for him to stand up and do the right thing..jmho..
IMO cindy nor casey never will..

[?noanswer]

Did you find it? Watch until the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8BxmXHRaBI


I saw this when all that broke. IIRC Louis Matakia is the father of the psyic's who claimed to be talking to DC on the phone when he was digging.

If one doesn't watch until the end, they won't get the real truth. JMO

[marshmallow]

". . . the perfect family image she tried so desperately to project." ----addressing this.


This is another good point and another red flag signal that she was being dominated by her husband instead of the other way around. Think about it. What happens when a woman is battered by their husband. She puts on sunglasses or holes up in her house until the bruises heal and then tell everyone what a wonderful husband she is married to. Not saying that Geo hit Cindy, but verbal and emotional abuse is just as effective as a belt. IMHO. That was a good observation, SayWhat.



I'm not buying that either of them were abusive toward the other. Just disfunctional beyond belief. The only victim in all this is Caylee.

[Neffy]

Anyone besides me think that George will never return to Hopespring?

I wouldn't be surprised either way.

[sunstar]

Well Geraldo was a waste last night. :rolleyes:

So Baez and LKB learned about the duct tape from People Magazine. Huh. I thought Baez got his info from Jessica the reporter. :biggrin:

jmo

It sure was a waste! I'm glad Nancy at least starts every show out talking about Caylee so we don't have to wait around almost an hour for just a few minutes of "news". I found Baez's comments kind of odd too since I thought the state shared evidence with the defense. :confused:

[Pag Boi]

By the same token the only person in that house that thought Caylee was great the best thing since sliced bread was George.....Neighbors never said anything about cindy or casey pulling Caylee with her baby doll around the neighborhood...The other 2 in that house was jealous of each other and Caylee.because of the attention Goerge gave Caylee ...jmo

Not that I am a fan of Cindy or George but..........


George didn't have a job until this year.

To his credit, he used his time wisely. It was prolly love at 1st hike. Would Cindy have indulged Caylee if she was home to do so? IMO, she would have rather pull a wagon than pull the family. But you do what you have to do. Someone had to work. JMOO

[Pat]

For entertainment value, I'm looking forward to Todd Black's press release naming those at the Sentinel who use "professional names".

I'm sure he's endeared himself with not only the print press, but with the local TV stations with the expression, "Tabloid Tramps". I'm sure they will give him all the coverage he seems to want, and more.

As a sideshow, exposing who he is and how he is actually connected to Baez will make for entertaining reading, IMO.

[Neffy]

I was thinking the same thing -- one more huge blow to Cindy's effort to hang onto the perfect family image she tried so desperately to project.

The picture she posed for with the stuffed animal is a complete contradiction to the content of the article. Something else Cindy isn't able to control. I'm sure she's not happy.

Not happy? I would say infuriated and beside herself. That's what I figured the "Geraldo" interview was about. She needs to get everything under control when in reality that ship has sailed. One of those I will "NOT" be ignorred personalities.

[RiverWalk]

Imo, that's just the way her hand is resting on her arm. But I'm no body language expert.

OK ... lol.

[8BellesFan]

Or perhaps maybe we need to be looking into why Geo is always sitting around the house watching the food network and missing his job interviews with pizza and beer in a cheap motel room. And maybe that is ongoing behavior with Geo in the past, and this is perhaps the reason why Cindy scrambles to keep afloat. Maybe it has nothing to do with her daughter so much as being married to a controlling and domineering and possibly abusive husband disguised in sheeps clothing.


I'd miss my job interview too if my Granddaughter was dead, in a box at a mortuary after having been in a car trunk for two+ days with duct tape and a friggin heart sticker on her face.

It wasn't George that Lee said choked Casey, it was poor submissive Cindy.

[AMS]

Anyone besides me think that George will never return to Hopespring?

I wonder if his family (not Cindy and Lee but other family members) have been with him this past week. Maybe they will reach out to him.

I can't imagine that going back to Hopespring would be good for the guy.

I read where Cindy visited him on the day after he was found. Does anyone know if she visited him since that time?

IMO

[Neffy]

For entertainment value, I'm looking forward to Todd Black's press release naming those at the Sentinel who use "professional names".

I'm sure he's endeared himself with not only the print press, but with the local TV stations with the expression, "Tabloid Tramps". I'm sure they will give him all the coverage he seems to want, and more.

As a sideshow, exposing who he is and how he is actually connected to Baez will make for entertaining reading, IMO.

The thing is people who use professional names don't "HIDE" or not admit to their real names. To me it's no big deal until someone's true identity IS hidden.

[Ladyhawk]

I'm not buying that either of them were abusive toward the other. Just disfunctional beyond belief. The only victim in all this is Caylee.

I'm with you on this one, I can't buy abuse to each other...seems to me they both get something in return for their behavior or they wouldn't be doing it.

[5boxersmom]

It sure was a waste! I'm glad Nancy at least starts every show out talking about Caylee so we don't have to wait around almost an hour for just a few minutes of "news". I found Baez's comments kind of odd too since I thought the state shared evidence with the defense. :confused:

The defense did not want the gag order but every chance they get they blame the LE and Media for leaks. Do they think we are stupid?

It's not leaks it is in the Docs.

jmo

[8BellesFan]

I think it swung back and forth. I think they are both wholly unequipped to conduct an intimate relationship, I think they both have character or personality disorders, and I think they each knew how to push the other's buttons. There's very rarely just one bad guy in these scenarios. Cindy looks like the hero at times for her financial support of the family, and the harpy at times for her controlling, belligerent personality. George looks like the hero at times for his attempt to tell the truth and his less abrasive personality. He also looks weak and manipulative at times for not assuming the role of "man of the house." It's a two-way street, always, imo. As Baez says, "It takes two to tango." :rolleyes:


I agree with you. It does take two.

[sunstar]

I'd miss my job interview too if my Granddaughter was dead, in a box at a mortuary after having been in a car trunk for two+ days with duct tape and a friggin heart sticker on her face.

It wasn't George that Lee said choked Casey, it was poor submissive Cindy.

I think it would be hard for him to get a job right now with everything that's going on with Casey, and the numerous video clips of him lashing out at the media that show he does have a temper ~ and that's before his suicidal breakdown. But I do agree, of the two of them, Cindy seems to be the one controlling him at times, like with the Greta home interview where Cindy interrupts him to tell him what program on tv he was watching on 6/16. MOO

[5boxersmom]

I don't understand it either..Exactly what parent would be upset because of the love their child was shown? I'll never get it..
Too bad GA didnt have the guts to stick up for himself long ago..
Can you imagine what he's put up with those 2 for the last 22 years?
But IMO he allowed himself to be placed in that situation.. Should have acted like a man years ago instead of a whipped pup..Maybe he's seen the light now.. It's time for him to stand up and do the right thing..jmho..
IMO cindy nor casey never will..

I have alway felt a child could never have enough love. I was never jealous of my parents, grandparents or other family members who loved my child. I would not even have cared if my mom had held my child first.

Everytime I think George is going to do right by Caylee he goes back to the defend Casey mode.

jmo

[steffaroob4]

Did you find it? Watch until the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8BxmXHRaBI

NO, I didn't find it, lol.

YOU ROCK, that is hilarious, I love it.

[?noanswer]

The thing is people who use professional names don't "HIDE" or not admit to their real names. To me it's no big deal until someone's true identity IS hidden.

The excuse that they could be harmed is marlarky. What about all the other players in this saga? The Prosecution, defense and all the rest of the media don't have to go undercover. I would think they would be harmed before a PR man. If some tries to hide, they usually have something to hide!! JMO

[sunstar]

The defense did not want the gag order but every chance they get they blame the LE and Media for leaks. Do they think we are stupid?

It's not leaks it is in the Docs.

jmo
That's what I couldn't figure out. We've read information directly from LE but the defense is claiming they have to rely on media reports, and citing People as their source of info. is almost hilarious! It just doesn't make sense. And yes, I agree, they're contradictory as one minute they don't want a gag order and the next they blame the media for reporting. :sneaky: MOO

[WillowInFlight]

Well Geraldo was a waste last night. :rolleyes:

So Baez and LKB learned about the duct tape from People Magazine. Huh. I thought Baez got his info from Jessica the reporter. :biggrin:

jmo

I watched the repeat at 1:00 this morning, but I was up and down, All I saw was maybe 5 minutes of worthless talk with Baez and LKB, did I miss anything else?

[happygert]

maybe she was always scrambling to make the bills because she let her daughter get away with too much carpola...now up to and including murder.

Exactly 8Belles... cindy controlled everything even the money and she liked it..She liked everyone including her mom saying oh poor cindy look at everything that going on.. she supports that whole family.. She must be a saint.. ga not working casey running and cindy having Caylee all the time..Her paying for eveything.
. Had a friend who she worked was just like cindy while her hubby stayed home....But heres the newsflash that's they way she wanted it..Jim did all the cleaning, laundry, yard work,Cooking had he supper on table when she walked in house at night, ran her bathwater, DID EVERYTHING for her..When the baby came he got up with him in middle of night, took care of him all the time... and she worked and did NOTHING ELSE . Except controll yes she even controlled the money...She did go to gorcery store so she didnt have to give him any money and that way she knew that every penny was in her pocket.. For Jim's spending money he played in a band on the weekends... Needless to say my friend Jim died a few months back he was only 60... Jim was in a band that made it big I mean REALLY BIG she made him quit before they signed contract..He was so in love with her he threw his own furture away..

I'M so sick of everyone thinking cindy is the victim of circumstances with GA imo she liked it that way..

[8BellesFan]

"I'd miss my job interview too if my Granddaughter was dead, in a box at a mortuary"--- addressing this

And YET the man has done nothing about that. Has he. Granted he is not in control but he could have still held a memorial service for the baby by now. Even without the remains. A simple memorial service, but he never did. I am by no means trying to defend Cindy. I know I am going to get creamed for saying this but I have said in the beginning and I stand by this, that each of the Anthony's have been despicable in their behavior and their actions up to this point. None of them is innocent in any of this. But I am starting to question George and the poster a few days ago that brought up these points about George being at the heart of the dysfunction in this family may very well be true. I am looking at things from various angles here.

As far as a memorial service goes, he and Cindy may have done something privately, just the two of them to wish that baby safe journey. Maybe something private while they sat by her. I dunno. I just think that the whole fam damily was and is, with the exception of Caylee was twisted. Is twisted. Cindy worked, but George brought income as well from his retirement/disability. Maybe George stayed home alot to make sure Caylee got her meals and care. Who knows. What I do know in my heart is that they both neglected Caylee when it mattered the most.

JMO and MOO and all that

[5boxersmom]

I watched the repeat at 1:00 this morning, but I was up and down, All I saw was maybe 5 minutes of worthless talk with Baez and LKB, did I miss anything else?

No that was it.

[WillowInFlight]

No that was it.

What a waste. IMO everything that was in that people article they all knew before, heck we all knew it all before.

[Mamie]

Don't know was thinking last night there maybe a divorce coming down after the trial...jmo...I think GA maybe the one to tell all.. I was watching him in his interviews he acts a little odd when hes talking, the way he rolls his eyes, shrugs his shoulders the smirks.....just very weird.imo.. Getting to the point where i don't want to see any of them on TV........eeekkkk


I said that a long time ago too, that everything will be broken in this family. Casey will be in prison, Caylee of course, gone forever, and George and Cindy will get divorced. And Lee, possibly forgotten about. JMO

[5boxersmom]

That's what I couldn't figure out. We've read information directly from LE but the defense is claiming they have to rely on media reports, and citing People as their source of info. is almost hilarious! It just doesn't make sense. And yes, I agree, they're contradictory as one minute they don't want a gag order and the next they blame the media for reporting. :sneaky: MOO

Just like after the hearing. Baez giving the interview. You do not see the prosecutors doing this.

jmo

[sunstar]

I think the power shifted after Caylee was murdered. Cindy interrupts him to keep him on track with the story, because they are hiding something. People that have nothing to hide don't hide things. Do they.

I too think they're hiding something, starting with that made up story about 6/16 and carrying on through the months including now. What it is I don't know, but I do think they knew the truth yet continued to look for a 'live Caylee' just to cover up for Casey. I hope the truth comes out someday. MOO

[sunstar]

Just like after the hearing. Baez giving the interview. You do not see the prosecutors doing this.

jmo

And that interview he gave with Casey standing next to him with her "crying". :rolleyes: It's all about showing her as the victim. MOO

[5boxersmom]

What a waste. IMO everything that was in that people article they all knew before, heck we all knew it all before.

I wonder if Baez even reads the docs. that he wants so bad.

jmo

[sunstar]

What a waste. IMO everything that was in that people article they all knew before, heck we all knew it all before.

That's one reason I didn't buy the magazine ~ it's old news! MOO

[AlohaRainbow]

I dont know about LKB either last night on GR she said they had to learn about the duct tape from people mag.. WE know that's not true it was in the doc dumps they received before they were made public..
Im thinking birds of a feather flock together.. two peas in a pod.. she may have more experience but...Not so sure she's not following baez leads about whining and lying..jmo even her hubby was talking about the duct tape found on Caylee's mouth...
and it was frustrating to me that geraldo didn't confront lkb and baez about dr baden's duct-tape-on-styrofoam-head demo

[Neffy]

Exactly 8Belles... cindy controlled everything even the money and she liked it..She liked everyone including her mom saying oh poor cindy look at everything that going on.. she supports that whole family.. She must be a saint.. ga not working casey running and cindy having Caylee all the time..Her paying for eveything.
. Had a friend who she worked was just like cindy while her hubby stayed home....But heres the newsflash that's they way she wanted it..Jim did all the cleaning, laundry, yard work,Cooking had he supper on table when she walked in house at night, ran her bathwater, DID EVERYTHING for her..When the baby came he got up with him in middle of night, took care of him all the time... and she worked and did NOTHING ELSE . Except controll yes she even controlled the money...She did go to gorcery store so she didnt have to give him any money and that way she knew that every penny was in her pocket.. For Jim's spending money he played in a band on the weekends... Needless to say my friend Jim died a few months back he was only 60... Jim was in a band that made it big I mean REALLY BIG she made him quit before they signed contract..He was so in love with her he threw his own furture away..

I'M so sick of everyone thinking cindy is the victim of circumstances with GA imo she liked it that way..


Remember at the bond hearing when Cindy was being questioned what George's job was. Something security, just started, don't know you'd have to ask him. She could care less and was pretty much clueless. It really meant nothing to her. Ask George is what it amounted to.

[5boxersmom]

And that interview he gave with Casey standing next to him with her "crying". :rolleyes: It's all about showing her as the victim. MOO

Oh I agree. Then Geraldo plays in to it too. Saying they wouldn't let the defense in to the crime scene and things like that.

jmo

[Neffy]

and it was frustrating to me that geraldo didn't confront lkb and baez about dr baden's duct-tape-on-styrofoam-head demo


How the heck did he find that out before the people issue came out ROFLMAO!

[AMS]

I watched the repeat at 1:00 this morning, but I was up and down, All I saw was maybe 5 minutes of worthless talk with Baez and LKB, did I miss anything else?

5 minutes of worthless talk sums it up nicely. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

I wonder if Baez even reads the docs. that he wants so bad.

jmo

How can LKB claim she didn't know about the duct tape? Is Baez telling his team only what they want them to hear?, IIRC, hasn't LKB husband talked publically about the duct tape?

[happygert]

I have alway felt a child could never have enough love. I was never jealous of my parents, grandparents or other family members who loved my child. I would not even have cared if my mom had held my child first.

Everytime I think George is going to do right by Caylee he goes back to the defend Casey mode.

jmo

Yes so sad that he's not standing up the defend the defensless.. a 2 year old baby that was killed by the one hes defending. SO SAD>

[Neffy]

That tape should have been in the autopsy photo's no? I believe Drake handed over the CD of photo's to him. Baez and LKB are getting as pathological as Casey.

I'd figured that the Dr. Baden did his styro demo by getting a peek at those that SOMEBODY leaked to him. Curse LE ROFL! You'd at least think he'd share with his wife instead of making her wait for the latest media publication to be released.

[sunstar]

I have a feeling that we will never know the truth because Casey is hard as nails, she won't admit to jack. Cindy is the same way and there is no way in Haites that she is "in denial." She knows and is hiding something. I think we are going to end up having to guess forever. She will sit in jail clammed up forever.

Oh I don't think Casey will ever confess but I'm hoping some of these 'family secrets' come out at trial, like who knew what and when. MOO



I'll be back in a little bit! :)

[happygert]

Good Afternoon and ITA- Cindy loves to play the martyr card. Incredibly sickening. IMOO

Yes she sure does... Very sickening.

[WillowInFlight]

5 minutes of worthless talk sums it up nicely. IMO

I wasn't very happy, I got in around midnight, fell asleep, woke up around 1:20 thinking I missed it, then around 1:40 Baez and LKB came on and were off by 1:45.:huh:

[happygert]

How can LKB claim she didn't know about the duct tape? Is Baez telling his team only what they want them to hear?, IIRC, hasn't LKB husband talked publically about the duct tape?

He sure has many many times.....

[?noanswer]

How can LKB claim she didn't know about the duct tape? Is Baez telling his team only what they want them to hear?, IIRC, hasn't LKB husband talked publically about the duct tape?


She had to know. Just wanted to whine, moan and groan. JMO

[need2no]

Last night someone on the board asked about how many mothers kill their children, remarking there are 3 current cases in the news. Anyway it got my curiousity up so I started looking for info and came across this article by Dr. Robert Butterworth, a psychologist from Los Angeles. The article states more than 600 mothers commit maternal filicide a year! :scared: He goes on to describe the different types of mothers who murder their children and their motivation. Below are the 4 possibilities I selected from the list that I think could fit in this case:

-- The Mentally Ill Mother: A woman who may be acutely psychotic, having serious psychological disturbances starting from her own childhood or her parents, which may be instrumental in causing her own psychological problem to surface. An inadequacy in handling aggression, probably originating from a disturbed relationship with the murderer's own parents, which could include hereditary influences. (will this be Baez's defense tactic?)

-- The Retaliating Mother: A woman who is jealous of her husband and envious of the child because of the attention that it receives from others, whereas the mother may have had little or no attention in her own childhood, which leads to a disturbed, immature, nongiving relationship with the child. The filicide could be motivated by revenge, especially with male children; the mother's anger toward the child's father may be displaced onto the male child, who reminds the mother of the child's father. replace husband/father with grandmother and/or grandfather

-- The Unwanted or Unexpected Mother: Unwanted or unplanned children, especially in countries where birth control and abortion are difficult to obtain, are more likely to suffer from maternal filicide.

-- The Battering Mother: In a fit of rage, they accidentally batter the child to death.

**Crime statistics show that mothers are more rarely or more mildly punished for filicide than fathers.**

[WillowInFlight]

Wasn't trying to insult you, January. I wanted to clarify that contrary to how your post read, I did not make the observation there was any abuse of Cindy by George. The way your post read, you were crediting me with that observation. I was speaking about Cindy's need to project the image of a perfect family -- nothing about an abusive relationship. You then posted about possible abuse, and ended with "good observation, SayWhat."

I won't respond to you anymore. I don't enjoy the contentiousness.

I think if George was abusing Cindy, we would have heard something about it by now. The emails between Cindy's mom and her sister were pretty eye opening, and not once was there any hint of physical abuse.

ETA: I do believe there was constant verbal and emotional abuse going on for years in that family.

[tookie99]

I'd miss my job interview too if my Granddaughter was dead, in a box at a mortuary after having been in a car trunk for two+ days with duct tape and a friggin heart sticker on her face.

It wasn't George that Lee said choked Casey, it was poor submissive Cindy.

I recall reading ( wftv) George went to a job faire that morning and had several interviews and wasn't considered because of his notoriety.:confused:

[5boxersmom]

How can LKB claim she didn't know about the duct tape? Is Baez telling his team only what they want them to hear?, IIRC, hasn't LKB husband talked publically about the duct tape?

Yes he has. :w00t:

[8BellesFan]

She had to know. Just wanted to whine, moan and groan. JMO

Casey should fire her for not reading the case material, like the autopsy report....:sneaky:

[happygert]

I said that a long time ago too, that everything will be broken in this family. Casey will be in prison, Caylee of course, gone forever, and George and Cindy will get divorced. And Lee, possibly forgotten about. JMO

Yes and no doubt ga will be the one for the blame for all of it..

[5boxersmom]

It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't. Maybe he has one of his students read, summarize and text him the highlights. :rolleyes:

[sarcasm off] I really wish Baez would give some indication he's hard at work on this case.

Yes me too. He should read more and stay out of the media. :rolleyes:

[ConchGirl]

I was at a basketball game last night and was peeking over the shoulder of a lady in front of me. She had the People mag. and was thumbing through it. It looked like a picture of Cindy holding a teddy bear and her fingers were making the OK sign with one hand. Did I see that correctly or making too much of it? Just seemed an odd way to cuddle a bear.

MOO

You are right. It looks like she is making an okay sign. :confused:

[Neffy]

I recall reading ( wftv) George went to a job faire that morning and had several interviews and wasn't considered because of his notoriety.:confused:

That's his Lawyer Conway's spin. In fact Conway hadn't even spoken to George at that point.

[WillowInFlight]

You are right. It looks like she is making an okay sign. :confused:

I just looked at my copy, and she sure as heck does.

[happygert]

Remember at the bond hearing when Cindy was being questioned what George's job was. Something security, just started, don't know you'd have to ask him. She could care less and was pretty much clueless. It really meant nothing to her. Ask George is what it amounted to.

yes she was not interested at all about what he was doing..Now I dont know about anyone one else but if my hubby wasn't employed, and I wanted his azz out workling. when he finally found a job I'd want to know everything..Where's the job at, how much an hour, what are your hours, how many days a week benefits, when do you get paid every week ,every other week..I'd know everything! Unless of course i didn't care where he was working cause I really didnt want him to go to work..

[AMS]

It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't. Maybe he has one of his students read, summarize and text him the highlights. :rolleyes:

[sarcasm off] I really wish Baez would give some indication he's hard at work on this case.

I can just see his first assignment for his class: If you were Jose Baez, what would you do next in defending Casey Anthony? Please answer in outline form that is easy to understand so I can follow the instructions easily.

IMO.

[SwFlorida]

Page 1 .....

:thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

yes she was not interested at all about what he was doing..Now I dont know about anyone one else but if my hubby wasn't employed, and I wanted his azz out workling. when he finally found a job I'd want to know everything..Where's the job at, how much an hour, what are your hours, how many days a week benefits, when do you get paid every week ,every other week..I'd know everything!

Same here Happy, my first question would be, what's the pay? :sneaky:

[?noanswer]

I'd like to read that, if you can find the link.

I find it hard to believe employers would not only turn George down on the spot because of his notoriety, but tell him as much.

Sumting wrong. imo

Yes, it is. Lawyers don't know when to keep their mouth shut. IIRC, there were more than one version of G. disapperance. One he had been gone since 8:30, another he came home briefly at 10:30, one it was a job interview, another a job fair. Why do they want to twist something that didn't need to be twisted? I thought a lawyer would be more responsible. JMO

[AlohaRainbow]

I too think they're hiding something, starting with that made up story about 6/16 and carrying on through the months including now. What it is I don't know, but I do think they knew the truth yet continued to look for a 'live Caylee' just to cover up for Casey. I hope the truth comes out someday. MOO
cindy apparently hopes everyone will forget that before they were looking for a live caylee, she and george first searched for a dead caylee - in their backyard, under pavers, under the playhouse...

the 'looking for a live caylee' was, imo, what they told the public (similar to cindy's statement that casey wasn't 'missing' for 30 days, they just told that to the public).

[8BellesFan]

I can just see his first assignment for his class: If you were Jose Baez, what would you do next in defending Casey Anthony? Please answer in outline form that is easy to understand so I can follow the instructions easily.

IMO.


and write slowly cuz I don't read so fast.

[happygert]

and it was frustrating to me that geraldo didn't confront lkb and baez about dr baden's duct-tape-on-styrofoam-head demo

Just let it go didnt want to embarass his best bud beaz....

[tookie99]

I'd like to read that, if you can find the link.

I find it hard to believe employers would not only turn George down on the spot because of his notoriety, but tell him as much.

Sumting wrong. imo

Sorry, I don't know how to link, but it's probably in the wtfc archive on their site.:sad:

[RiverWalk]

You are right. It looks like she is making an okay sign. :confused:

That's what I thought too. Another nice poster just thought that's the way her hand was resting on her other arm. Just looked really odd to me and who would she be saying OK to? :confused:

Does the OC jail have mags sitting around the day room?

[Mamie]

Last night someone on the board asked about how many mothers kill their children, remarking there are 3 current cases in the news. Anyway it got my curiousity up so I started looking for info and came across this article by Dr. Robert Butterworth, a psychologist from Los Angeles. The article states more than 600 mothers commit maternal filicide a year! :scared: He goes on to describe the different types of mothers who murder their children and their motivation. Below are the 4 possibilities I selected from the list that I think could fit in this case:

-- The Mentally Ill Mother: A woman who may be acutely psychotic, having serious psychological disturbances starting from her own childhood or her parents, which may be instrumental in causing her own psychological problem to surface. An inadequacy in handling aggression, probably originating from a disturbed relationship with the murderer's own parents, which could include hereditary influences. (will this be Baez's defense tactic?)

-- The Retaliating Mother: A woman who is jealous of her husband and envious of the child because of the attention that it receives from others, whereas the mother may have had little or no attention in her own childhood, which leads to a disturbed, immature, nongiving relationship with the child. The filicide could be motivated by revenge, especially with male children; the mother's anger toward the child's father may be displaced onto the male child, who reminds the mother of the child's father. replace husband/father with grandmother and/or grandfather

-- The Unwanted or Unexpected Mother: Unwanted or unplanned children, especially in countries where birth control and abortion are difficult to obtain, are more likely to suffer from maternal filicide.

-- The Battering Mother: In a fit of rage, they accidentally batter the child to death.

**Crime statistics show that mothers are more rarely or more mildly punished for filicide than fathers.**


Great information! And I just saw this weekend a 20/20 episode where the zeroed in on mothers who murder their children and why. One struck me as particularly interesting because I believe Casey had the same reason for taking Caylee away forever. Casey wanted to make her mother pay (hurt) forever for loving Caylee so she took her away. Mafia bosses do the same thing to their enemies----they take out the one person their enemy loves with all his heart, like his child. What better way to retaliate? They think. And of course for Casey, this was two-fold for her-----she no longer had Caylee in her way, hogging the stage at home and she could also party as much as she wanted to because she was free and the second part would be that Cindy, her mother, would hurt long, hard and forever. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

I so agree with you, SW! I think GA has done a lot of things he shouldn't, but I still feel very sorry for him. Being away from Cindy must be like he's trying to get out of a cult. Trying to get his mind back to reality. I doubt that a short stint away from her will help all that much though. As soon as he gets back in her clutches, she'll take him back to square one.

She must be going nuts not having control over him, either that or she put the fear of God into him about talking.

[happygert]

I recall reading ( wftv) George went to a job faire that morning and had several interviews and wasn't considered because of his notoriety.:confused:

BC in early morning hours still dark out side ga had job interview at 10:30 that morning .. next day he said he went to a job fair... who knows....I dont believe anything BC says either...jmho..kind of odd the day he had several interviews is the day he decides he want to commit suicide with empty bottles of pills and a 12 pack......ok.......not buying that line of BS either.. Not only that he texts cindy the pills are staring to take effect he getting sleepy.....Then when le gets there he's fine and tells them he didnt TAKE ANYTHING... ALL BS to get attention of the duct tape and heart sticker and it worked....JMO

[tarabull1]

Last night someone on the board asked about how many mothers kill their children, remarking there are 3 current cases in the news. Anyway it got my curiousity up so I started looking for info and came across this article by Dr. Robert Butterworth, a psychologist from Los Angeles. SNIPPED

Thanks for the additional 411 n2n...

It was I that asked the question last night and it got me thinking too.

Then this morning I found this: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12728507&postcount=191

[need2no]

I'd like to read that, if you can find the link.

I find it hard to believe employers would not only turn George down on the spot because of his notoriety, but tell him as much.

Sumting wrong. imo


I worked at a job fair for my employer several years ago-ick. Anyway we did NOT interview people, we took applications and after a quick glance if the application looked promising we were told to chat briefly with the applicant and make note of our impression on a separate sheet of paper (not on the app).

Job fairs bring out tons of people, many of which you wouldn't hire to sweep your driveway, let alone put them in an office setting, and you have to take the time to answer questions about the job, if asked. This is just one reason you don't have time to 'interview'. The apps are reviewed later and if the person is qualified they called in for an interview.

Of course maybe others handle it differently.

Also I can't believe anyone would open themselves up to a lawsuit by telling George they wouldn't hire him because of his notoriety.

[8BellesFan]

She must be going nuts not having control over him, either that or she put the fear of God into him about talking.

I think her main fear is what people think about her. She does not want people to think Casey is guilty, because in her mind it reflects on her. She wants Casey to be the Mother of the Year so that she herself looks like she did a good job of raising Casey. I think she knows in her heart that she could have done things differently, should have done things differently. She fears the truth. If George tells, then everyone will know she's a liar and raised a liar.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Authorities await results of DNA tests on remains

One of her attorneys, Linda Kenney Baden, said during a court hearing Friday that “anthropological measurements and hair color” of the remains were said to match Caylee’s.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/dec/13/authorities-await-results-of-dna-tests-on-remains/

Where is the leak? IIRC, we heard from LKB first, IMO.

[?noanswer]

The People article states there is a possibility they have found the fingerprints are on the duct tape . I think that is what Jose was bitching about but made it seem like the pros are holding everything back from him.

Boy, they covered themselves on that. "possibility". Posters have been saying that ever since it was known there was duct tape!!! JMO

[WillowInFlight]

This I think will indeed happen. I believe that Baez is keeping her isolated from her family for that very purpose and rightfully so. She needs to be kept away from her family and be able to mentally prepare herself to deal with some of the family skeletons that Baez will surely be letting out of the closet during that trial. I believe there is a story inside of a story here and when that trial starts, I think that he is going to unleash much, and Casey will have to be prepared not to be intimidated into silence when he does. This is why I can only hope that Baez does not allow the one-on-one private untaped and unmonitored meeting with that family. That way, they can't threaten or intimidate her. The quicker she cuts ties with that toxic family, the better off she will be. It is her only chance at telling the whole story or at least putting some of the puzzle pieces together that just don't seem to be fitting just yet.

And I think the quicker the family cuts off ties with a toxic Casey the better off they will be, maybe then they will tell what they know, and the better off they will be. I agree some deep rooted family secrets are going to come out, but that doesn't give Casey a pass for murdering her daughter.

[8BellesFan]

What Cindy typically does when backed into a corner about her lies or behavior, is pull out her Grieving Grandmother card, which includes references to weight loss, bottled water, LE not doing their job, Casey as victim, and harassment by the media. Did I miss anything?

happy pictures...many happy pictures. See, here's a pic of how perfect we are, and another and another....

[need2no]

Thanks for the additional 411 n2n...

It was I that asked the question last night and it got me thinking too.

Then this morning I found this: http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12728507&postcount=191


Thanks, more interesting reading on the subject.

[WillowInFlight]

I think her main fear is what people think about her. She does not want people to think Casey is guilty, because in her mind it reflects on her. She wants Casey to be the Mother of the Year so that she herself looks like she did a good job of raising Casey. I think she knows in her heart that she could have done things differently, should have done things differently. She fears the truth. If George tells, then everyone will know she's a liar and raised a liar.

I think she already knows that.

[Jester]

Great information! And I just saw this weekend a 20/20 episode where the zeroed in on mothers who murder their children and why. One struck me as particularly interesting because I believe Casey had the same reason for taking Caylee away forever. Casey wanted to make her mother pay (hurt) forever for loving Caylee so she took her away. Mafia bosses do the same thing to their enemies----they take out the one person their enemy loves with all his heart, like his child. What better way to retaliate? They think. And of course for Casey, this was two-fold for her-----she no longer had Caylee in her way, hogging the stage at home and she could also party as much as she wanted to because she was free and the second part would be that Cindy, her mother, would hurt long, hard and forever. JMO

Casey is a wicked woman. She's nasty to the core, selfish beyond description, and the evil, wicked witch in all the fairy tales we've ever read. May she grow warts on her nose and eyelids, and rot on the outside like she has on the inside.

[happygert]

Same here Happy, my first question would be, what's the pay? :sneaky:

Exactly! .......We'd know...next question is when do you start?.....Today?.......:lol:

[Jester]

cindy apparently hopes everyone will forget that before they were looking for a live caylee, she and george first searched for a dead caylee - in their backyard, under pavers, under the playhouse...

the 'looking for a live caylee' was, imo, what they told the public (similar to cindy's statement that casey wasn't 'missing' for 30 days, they just told that to the public).

Either Cindy has some serious short term memory problems, or she, in her ignorance, assumes everyone else does. Her truth depends entirely on what she wants from people.

[Pruddennce]

Yes, it is. Lawyers don't know when to keep their mouth shut. IIRC, there were more than one version of G. disapperance. One he had been gone since 8:30, another he came home briefly at 10:30, one it was a job interview, another a job fair. Why do they want to twist something that didn't need to be twisted? I thought a lawyer would be more responsible. JMO

right. and......why say anything at all?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[bonnie31430]

I remember jesses daddy saying that casey tried that number on him , saying that she had female problems, but he could see that she was definitely pregnant

[Cury-us Coyote]

O/T apparently Nejame has another high focus client.
http://www.wftv.com/index.html

[8BellesFan]

But we don't know that yet, do we. Since the State has a box full of circumstantial and yet nothing solid tying her directly to the demise of this child. But I have been saying that since day one and it's falling on deaf ears with the majority on this board. What else is new.

circumstantial evidence and direct evidence weight the same in court

[Pruddennce]

happy pictures...many happy pictures. See, here's a pic of how perfect we are, and another and another....

so much the portrayal of a happy family that Casey hardly had time to breath after delivering, Cindy was hosting a shower for her 4 days later, complete with a collage of 'first pics'....didnt stop snapping pics so her 'present' would be ready for the 'guests'.

see her 'brag' to Greta: select:

The Greta Interview: George and Cindy's First Interview After Casey's Arrest (toward the end 8:25)

http://spoiledmom-mommyconfessions.blogspot.com/2008/08/greta-interview-george-and-cindys-first.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[need2no]

Exactly. Didn't happen. George is also a "protected class" -- he's 57. No way an employer is going to tell him anything about his eligibility at a job fair. In fact, even if he were interviewed in their offices at a later date and they decided not to hire him, they'd never tell him why.

Ridiculous move on Conway's part, and another bullet hole in his credibility, imo.

You are correct, and if this happened Conway would likely be threatening a lawsuit (s). There are very strict laws about interviewing, making an offer and hiring, and as you mentioned, you best be especially careful when the person is in a protected class.

I've wondered if George even went to the job fair...maybe this is what motivated his alleged contemplation of suicide...he knew Cindy would be disappointed in him.

[Pag Boi]

Exactly 8Belles... cindy controlled everything even the money and she liked it..She liked everyone including her mom saying oh poor cindy look at everything that going on.. she supports that whole family.. She must be a saint.. ga not working casey running and cindy having Caylee all the time..Her paying for eveything.
. Had a friend who she worked was just like cindy while her hubby stayed home....But heres the newsflash that's they way she wanted it..Jim did all the cleaning, laundry, yard work,Cooking had he supper on table when she walked in house at night, ran her bathwater, DID EVERYTHING for her..When the baby came he got up with him in middle of night, took care of him all the time... and she worked and did NOTHING ELSE . Except controll yes she even controlled the money...She did go to gorcery store so she didnt have to give him any money and that way she knew that every penny was in her pocket.. For Jim's spending money he played in a band on the weekends... Needless to say my friend Jim died a few months back he was only 60... Jim was in a band that made it big I mean REALLY BIG she made him quit before they signed contract..He was so in love with her he threw his own furture away..

I'M so sick of everyone thinking cindy is the victim of circumstances with GA imo she liked it that way..



I don't think Cindy was a victim. I missed her being labeled a saint. That is funny if she was tho.

I don't think George was either. Or Casey. Or Lee.

So Cindy tripped on her control and power as the breadwinner. Why would George just limp along if he didn't get something in out of the relationship? He left her.And came back.

'Needless to say my friend Jim died a few months back he was only 60" I don't get your point. Did Jim die from being controlled? Did Jim die happy? Was diaper duty a profitable trade off for wealth & success? for Jim

We all make choices in life. Money isn't everything, altho it helps. Just b/c we don;t see the benefits of the relationship doesn't mean they don't exist for those involved in it.

[WillowInFlight]

But we don't know that yet, do we. Since the State has a box full of circumstantial and yet nothing solid tying her directly to the demise of this child. But I have been saying that since day one and it's falling on deaf ears with the majority on this board. What else is new.

I have seen nothing that even remotely shows evidence that anyone but Casey is responsible for her daughters death.

[need2no]

so much the portrayal of a happy family that Casey hardly had time to breath after delivering, Cindy was hosting a shower for her 4 days later, complete with a collage of 'first pics'....didnt stop snapping pics so her 'present' would be ready for the 'guests'.

see her 'brag' to Greta: select:

The Greta Interview: George and Cindy's First Interview After Casey's Arrest (toward the end 8:25)

http://spoiledmom-mommyconfessions.blogspot.com/2008/08/greta-interview-george-and-cindys-first.html

IMO

best regards,
Pru

and I was struck by the fact that she included the grandmommy pics as well. :rolleyes: What a narcissistic family!

[Pruddennce]

But we're not in court. Are we. And I refuse to rush to judgment on circumstantial evidence alone. I am not about to judge this girl as guilty without knowing the facts that show me she did the actual killing. There are 3 other suspects in my line of sight as far as I'm concerned and I'm not about to rule any of them out just yet.

so casey is sitting in jail on a murder one charge, knowing who killed her daughter?

preposterous. :D

best regards,
Pru

[8BellesFan]

But we're not in court. Are we. And I refuse to rush to judgment on circumstantial evidence alone. I am not about to judge this girl as guilty without knowing the facts that show me she did the actual killing. There are 3 other suspects in my line of sight as far as I'm concerned and I'm not about to rule any of them out just yet.

I didn't say "we" were in court, I just made an observation. "We" in the longrun, will have no say. Will "We?"

[need2no]

so casey is sitting in jail on a murder one charge, knowing who killed her daughter?

preposterous. :D

best regards,
Pru

Gotta admit that's mighty generous of casey...giving up on life at 22 to protect others. Who knew......

:rolleyes:

[trich]

and write slowly cuz I don't read so fast.

If I was one of his students ...I might suggest...He read the discovery documents instead of waiting for the media to tell him what the evidence is.

[Neffy]

O/T apparently Nejame has another high focus client.
http://www.wftv.com/index.html

Tx Cury. Just maybe Baez will get a clue the NeJame isn't following the Casey Anthony case or Baez's career as Baez stated in court. He was incredulous that NeJame wasn't following guffawing there to Strickland.

[Mamie]

Casey is a wicked woman. She's nasty to the core, selfish beyond description, and the evil, wicked witch in all the fairy tales we've ever read. May she grow warts on her nose and eyelids, and rot on the outside like she has on the inside.

Yep, you got her to a T. I felt sorry for Jesse Grund describing for Dr. Phil their year of being engaged. Jesse saw just what he wanted to see because he was in love. Jesse had an excuse for only seeing the good in Casey. Oh and I'm not saying she didn't play that either----she made sure she only let him see THE GOOD CASEY and THE GOOD MOM CASEY in that year but that's as long as she could keep up that facade. THen it all came crumbling down and suddenly Jesse was the bad guy because he loved Caylee more than he loved Casey.

See, someone else in Casey's world (and in her mind) showed that they loved Caylee more than they loved her. Just in her mind, though. She has this problem with competitiveness. She has to be #1 forever and for all time. So she simply removed the other competition and got back at her mother at the same time.

The thing she didn't take into consideration is what this would do to her dad. I don't believe she wanted to hurt him like she wanted to hurt her mother. It's like she almost had a need to hurt her mother. JMO

[read-in]

and write slowly cuz I don't read so fast.

Now try to explain it to me, like I was a 5 year old:tongueside:

[8BellesFan]

Gotta admit that's mighty generous of casey...giving up on life at 22 to protect others. Who knew......

:rolleyes:


do they still canonize people? are we in line for a Saint Casey:thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

And all I see is a very guilty Casey, guilty of covering up a dead body. What I don't see is any evidence that she was the one that killed Caylee. But aren't we beating a dead horse? I realize I am the minority on these boards, but if you are so certain that she was the one that killed the child, please show me or point me in the direction of hard evidence. I would like to know what weapon she used. How she did it. When. Where. Why. If you can answer those questions, then maybe I will rethink this. But until then.....I stand by my belief that she may be in jail for a murder she did not commit.

I'll you what, you keep that belief and when she is convicted on murder charges because IMO it will be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, you can come back and tell us how that's working for you. :smile:

[Neffy]

That's fine. I'm sorry you had a hard time comprehending my post. Particularly since I am pretty articulate and I certainly would never go around making insulting comments or calling someone's thoughts or ideas going "off the rails". So let's just agree to disagree. Shall we?

No one has a hard time comprehending what your point is. IIRC Saywhat was pointing out your reading comprehension of hers hence you went off the rails with the meaning.

[need2no]

... but they sure are a purty bunch, ain't they? :glare:

Someone didn't get the memo in that family -- beauty is only skin deep.


Lovely, just lovely.

In the words of Judge Judy...beauty fades, but dumb is forever.

[WillowInFlight]

Gotta admit that's mighty generous of casey...giving up on life at 22 to protect others. Who knew......

:rolleyes:

That must have been part of the script, party, party, party, get a tattoo, get all her free living out of her system. Then take to her grave who really killed her daughter.

[Neffy]

Lovely, just lovely.

In the words of Judge Judy...beauty fades, but dumb is forever.

Can't fix stupid is another classic :)

[apothecary]

Hiya, Mac.

What lots of secrets, do you think? Do you mean additional details on things we already suspect? Or more actual bombshells?

Other than the scuttlebutt about Lee being Caylee's father, I can't think of what other family secrets there could be. Casey's a murderer. Cindy will apparently go to any length to defend her image. George is a weak link. Lee may be more involved than has come out yet. What else could there be?

Maybe illegal scams (insurance ,businesses,maybe racey pictures,maybe illicit activities (escort services) etc.Lots of nasty things could be exposed

[happygert]

I don't think Cindy was a victim. I missed her being labeled a saint. That is funny if she was tho.

I don't think George was either. Or Casey. Or Lee.

So Cindy tripped on her control and power as the breadwinner. Why would George just limp along if he didn't get something in out of the relationship? He left her.And came back.

'Needless to say my friend Jim died a few months back he was only 60" I don't get your point. Did Jim die from being controlled? Did Jim die happy? Was diaper duty a profitable trade off for wealth & success? for Jim

We all make choices in life. Money isn't everything, altho it helps. Just b/c we don;t see the benefits of the relationship doesn't mean they don't exist for those involved in it.

..you missed it..

[Pruddennce]

And all I see is a very guilty Casey, guilty of covering up a dead body. What I don't see is any evidence that she was the one that killed Caylee. But aren't we beating a dead horse? I realize I am the minority on these boards, but if you are so certain that she was the one that killed the child, please show me or point me in the direction of hard evidence. I would like to know what weapon she used. How she did it. When. Where. Why. If you can answer those questions, then maybe I will rethink this. But until then.....I stand by my belief that she may be in jail for a murder she did not commit.

hey Jan, are you waiting for the video? its not going to happen.

there is no babysitter
there is no place of work
there was no report by Casey her child was 'taken'
she had not a care in the world from June 16th on

circumstantial evidence is given the same weight as direct evidence

without a confession, no one will ever know how this child died.

what we do know is that she was discarded like garbage after her body began to decompose in her vehicle. and we do know the vehicle was cleaned and febreezed, clothing washed BEFORE LE was called.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

I tell you what, Willow. I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but I am getting tired of being insulted and disparaged every time I try to discuss my perspective on this. I don't think it is necessary for the sarcasm. I am challenging you and the others here are so convinced that she is guilty of the murder and I am asking to show me what you have. If you can't, then you have to admit that just like me, you have nothing and you are willing to convict her and send her off to death on nothing?

I wasn't in the least trying to be sarcastic towards you, you did see the smile, did you not?:smile:

[bonnie31430]

I thought that when caylees body was found we would get all of the answers we wanted. Casey could not talk because the whole family was in jeopardy from this Casy could not talk because caylee would be in danger, as would the whole family. Now that her body has been found there is nothing to be afraid of now

[8BellesFan]

I tell you what, Willow. I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but I am getting tired of being insulted and disparaged every time I try to discuss my perspective on this. I don't think it is necessary for the sarcasm. I am challenging you and the others here are so convinced that she is guilty of the murder and I am asking to show me what you have. If you can't, then you have to admit that just like me, you have nothing and you are willing to convict her and send her off to death on nothing?


challenging reading comprehension comes off as slightly adversarial...just sayin.

In a court of law, the amount of circumstantial evidence that has mounted agaist Casey Anthony is IMO, enough to convict her. Starting with not reporting that sweet child missing EVER. Then we move on to the police escourted tour of Orlando visiting ficticious apartments and a non-existant office where rests the second phone obtained for her by her employer. Then we have the phone call from Caylee that never was. Conversations with her family are a huge waste and can you just get me Tony's phone number. Emails from addresses that don't exist from before Caylee was taken from Sawgrass, or was it Sister Sam in the park? Inventing friends, children and nannies from jobs that never were. Floating checks on tape and ripping off your sick Grandpa.

I'd say I got enough to go ahead and make up my mind too.

[MichelleP]

I tell you what, Willow. I'm not trying to be adversarial here, but I am getting tired of being insulted and disparaged every time I try to discuss my perspective on this. I don't think it is necessary for the sarcasm. I am challenging you and the others here are so convinced that she is guilty of the murder and I am asking to show me what you have. If you can't, then you have to admit that just like me, you have nothing and you are willing to convict her and send her off to death on nothing?

This is not a death penalty case. You have no idea what other information law enforcement has. We don't either, so how can you say it is nothing? There is evidence of a decomposing body in her trunk, I hardly think that is nothing especially now they have found the body. I think I read that the hair they found in the trunk was matched to Caylee/deceased. How can you call that nothing?

[WillowInFlight]

Hi,Lomar. I don't think it can be done, which drives my point even further into homestretch. How can anyone in all good conscience claim a person is guilty of murder when they have nothing to back it up except for he said/she said evidence. I am also waiting for evidence to show she murdered Caylee. And waiting....and waiting.....

Can you just explain to me that if there wasn't evidence to show that she murdered Caylee, why was she charged with murder? Who was Casey covering for, for 31 days? No sarcasm intended.

[tarabull1]

Maybe illegal scams (insurance ,businesses,maybe racey pictures,maybe illicit activities (escort services) etc.Lots of nasty things could be exposed

WOW - GREAT list of possibilities apo!! :thumbsup:

IMO anything could be coming around the next corner - I mean, why not?

Along the lines of BUSINESS & ILLEGAL SCAMS I especially have a hard time with GA's story about the Nigerian email scam....do you suppose anything could ever come out of that???

[happygert]

Thank you Marshmallow... No different in Fl as to reading mail as it is in my state...Maybe thats the norm every where..

Inmate's last name, first name, DC#
Institution name
Mailing address
City, State Zip Code
Example:
Doe, John DC# 012456
Some Correctional Institution
1212 South Street
Any Town, Florida 11111


f. All routine mail sent to an inmate is opened, examined and read by designated department staff.

OMH I would love to have that job! Especially in Casey's case. :rolleyes:

Oh yes me too.....I'd like to be assigned to her mail......i'm sure I wouldn't be board...Be a job where you wouldn't want to miss day

[jessie]

And all I see is a very guilty Casey, guilty of covering up a dead body. What I don't see is any evidence that she was the one that killed Caylee. But aren't we beating a dead horse? I realize I am the minority on these boards, but if you are so certain that she was the one that killed the child, please show me or point me in the direction of hard evidence. I would like to know what weapon she used. How she did it. When. Where. Why. If you can answer those questions, then maybe I will rethink this. But until then.....I stand by my belief that she may be in jail for a murder she did not commit. I might be wrong, but I dont think those questions have to be answered by the prosecution. The overwhelming ce evidence has to be looked at by jurors and I believe common sense has to be used in evaluating this evidence. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I did miss the smile, Willow. Sorry. I question why you feel my stance on this is preposterous especially when others here are looking for the same answers as I am. I was wondering if you could answer those questions for me or show me what you have so that I can join rank and file with you and the rest of the folks here and shout out on the top of every rooftop "Casey is guilty".

January, please don't feel like I have singled you out, I disagree with everyone that says Casey is not guilty. I don't for a second think that anyone in her family helped with the killing, the cover up, now that is a different story.

[Ladyhawk]

Gotta admit that's mighty generous of casey...giving up on life at 22 to protect others. Who knew......

:rolleyes:

ITA, I would like to ask if anyone else has any ideas at all just who could have caused the death of Caylee (other than Casey) that Casey would honestly take the blame or go to prison for....who in her life means that much to her?

[WillowInFlight]

Ironically, I am asking you to explain to me the same thing in reverse. And I am asking that same question you are but in a different context. WHY for God sake is she charged with murder with no evidence linking her to any murder.

:laugh: Well friend, I guess we will have agree to disagree, Hey who knows, maybe when this over, you'll have to make room for me on your side of the fence. :wink:

[MichelleP]

Yes, there is evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk of her car. Does that tell me she did it or was just driving around with a decomposing dead body in the car. Again, I am not being adversarial, but I just would like to know what makes everyone here so certain she committed murder and not just the moving of a dead body.

Yes, that happens everyday. How many cases have you heard of where innocent people go around driving with dead bodies in their car? I have never heard of any.

[8BellesFan]

ITA, I would like to ask if anyone else has any ideas at all just who could have caused the death of Caylee (other than Casey) that Casey would honestly take the blame or go to prison for....who in her life means that much to her?



nobody. she's all alone with nobody to comfort her and only Nancy Grace videos for a good laugh.

[MichelleP]

I can name three that she would take the wrap for and willingly so. Her parents and her brother.

And you know this for a fact? How?

[8BellesFan]

I can name three that she would take the wrap for and willingly so. Her parents and her brother.


the same mom she told everybody lies, everybody dies?

[kitty1182]

ITA, I would like to ask if anyone else has any ideas at all just who could have caused the death of Caylee (other than Casey) that Casey would honestly take the blame or go to prison for....who in her life means that much to her?

Casey ain't gonna take the blame for anyone..IMO

[WillowInFlight]

There's plenty of room for me to jump over to your side, just show me the evidence! That said, don't you feel like we are both beating the dead horse to death? :biggrin:

No, I just think we are looking at the evidence and facts differently.

[need2no]

I can name three that she would take the wrap for and willingly so. Her parents and her brother.

Can you explain what you think would be casey's motivation/reason for protecting G, C & Lee, and taking the rap?

[5boxersmom]

Just like with SP the lies lies and more lies.

Laci and Connor were in Scotts way just like Caylee was in Casey's way.

Who else had a reason to kill Caylee?

jmo

[tarabull1]

There's plenty of room for me to jump over to your side, just show me the evidence! That said, don't you feel like we are both beating the dead horse to death? :biggrin:

You say WE like you have a mouse in your pocket....

SERIOUSLY, IMO there is plenty of CE...NO I'm not beating anything and guess what?? Neither will KC >>> also IMO.

[8BellesFan]

Not enough for me.


so you are excusing her for all of that?

[Mamie]

I can name three that she would take the wrap for and willingly so. Her parents and her brother.

Don't forget the "other three"------means, motive and opportunity. While all four of these people had two of the three, only one of the four had all three. Casey is the only one that had motive. JMO

[Destini]

If Casey had been a sweet, unassuming, giving person before Caylee disappeared, I might believe she could sacrifice her freedom & possibly life for Lee or her mom or dad ..... but it is obvious she is and has been a me,me,me person all along. She is 22 and loves men & loves to party. She is not covering for anyone but herself.

[desmom]

Yes, there is evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk of her car. Does that tell me she did it or was just driving around with a decomposing dead body in the car. Again, I am not being adversarial, but I just would like to know what makes everyone here so certain she committed murder and not just the moving of a dead body.

I cannot imagine an innocent person would drive around with their precious daughter's dead body in the trunk of their car and not call LE. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Can you explain what you think would be casey's motivation/reason for protecting G, C & Lee, and taking the rap?

Remember when they had Cinnamon Brown take the rap for killing her mom, because they thought her being so young she would get off easy. Maybe the Anthony's told Casey the same thing. Though I'm not buying anyone in that family had anything to do with Caylee's death. IMO.

[MichelleP]

I can see where this is headed. When you come up with some evidence linking her to the murder itself, or the murder weapon, or the manner of death or the motive, call me.

Well then what you doing here if you don't want to talk about the case? The prosecution doesn't have to have a motive even though they prob do have one.

If you can state that you know she would take the rap for Lee, Cindy, and George without having any proof whatsoever we can think what we want even though you have a problem with that. If we feel Casey did it that's our opinion and we can have that opinion even though you don't like it.

[CANDYKISSES]

Does Jose have any influence on where the trial would be moved IF a cov motion was filed/granted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEWZr_jK5Vg&eurl=http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10467&page=9

Apparently Jose thinks so from this statement...

"I'm not going to get into the specific locations where I'd like to move it to, because quite frankly the last thing I want to do is give any indications and then the media jumps over in that area and starts to populate that area with stories and quite frankly that's why we have chosen to keep that area confidential and if it gets released, it certainly will not be by the defense."

He has been confused about motion filing before, so who knows???:confused:

The judge told him in not so many words this was a bit pre-mature given that trial could be a year away, yet he responded that he would file it. :biggrin:

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Don't forget the "other three"------means, motive and opportunity. While all four of these people had two of the three, only one of the four had all three. Casey is the only one that had motive. JMO

Don't forget there are some out there that believe this was a "kidnapping, money making scheme" that went terribly wrong.

[Ladyhawk]

I can name three that she would take the wrap for and willingly so. Her parents and her brother.
Ok, let's go with that.....why on earth would any of her family trust her to dispose of the body?

If any one else from that family had been involved, there would never have been a missing Caylee. They had noone to explain a missing child to. She hadn't started school so there's no school looking for her. Family? well, outside of George, Cindy and Lee, who is there that couldn't be quieted by saying, you know, her biological dad is back in the picture and she's with him and his family. There never would have been a body recovered. That car, as smelly as is was, if George had been truly involved in it, would be at the bottom of some lake now.

I'll be very surprosed if any of the other 3 Anthony's had any part in Caylee's death.

[MichelleP]

I cannot imagine an innocent person would drive around with their precious daughter's dead body in the trunk of their car and not call LE. jmo

Not to mention the smell of it would probably be really bad.

Here's another question for Jan. if Casey was driving around with the body in her trunk who dumped the body?

[Neffy]

Can you just explain to me that if there wasn't evidence to show that she murdered Caylee, why was she charged with murder? Who was Casey covering for, for 31 days? No sarcasm intended.

The GJ heard/had enough evidence to indict Casey. Should this had been in error. Baez would have filed a motion to dismiss. That certainly hasn't happened. Out of all the frivilous motions IMO I've seen filed that certainly would have been in there if there was any merit to it.

[CANDYKISSES]

Didn't Caylee post on her myspace that it was the first time she flew and how she liked the trip.

moo

I *believe* that was the other social networking site where she had registered. The picture was of her in a green summer tank IIRC. :smile:

[Neffy]

Sorry to be O/T- but have you ever seen the episode of CSI or Law and Order where three brothers murder of a man in a park and the youngest brother takes the fall for the other brothers because he looked the most innocent.

Back O/T I am hoping that with the news media reporting that the A's are not so backing of KC now that it will cause KC to start rolling over on the family. IMOO

I'm expecting them to roll over he A's and throw them under the bus along with Jesse and Ricardo - oops lets not forget "Zanny". They were just the beginnning IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

OMG....THATS what this show was about??? :lol:

Now theyre going for the "pity us stupid inept attorneys...who cant get our own evidence" angle...???

Once again we saw nobody calling Baez on the fact he didn't want a GAG ORDER IIRC. :thumbdown:

[need2no]

Remember when they had Cinnamon Brown take the rap for killing her mom, because they thought her being so young she would get off easy. Maybe the Anthony's told Casey the same thing. Though I'm not buying anyone in that family had anything to do with Caylee's death. IMO.

Ah yes, but Cinnamon was a mere teenager of 14 when she claimed to have killed her stepmother, was highly influenced by her father, and she knew her father was rich enough to get her out of it, even though that didn't happen. Circumstances were much different in this case.

Regardless, what would be the A's motive...unless they had a huge life insurance policy on Caylee.

[bama__angel]

Ok, let's go with that.....why on earth would any of her family trust her to dispose of the body?

If any one else from that family had been involved, there would never have been a missing Caylee. They had noone to explain a missing child to. She hadn't started school so there's no school looking for her. Family? well, outside of George, Cindy and Lee, who is there that couldn't be quieted by saying, you know, her biological dad is back in the picture and she's with him and his family. There never would have been a body recovered. That car, as smelly as is was, if George had been truly involved in it, would be at the bottom of some lake now.

I'll be very surprosed if any of the other 3 Anthony's had any part in Caylee's death.



And to add 911 would never have been called by Cindy...........And if Cindy had all this to do again, I dont think she would call 911......

[CANDYKISSES]

I think JB is Casey's Knight in Shining Armor who has come to rescue her. Her parents always rescued her in the past. She knows they won't now if they realize she killed her daughter.


I am still waiting to see this alleged POSSIBLE belief Casey is guilty from George and/or Cindy. Every time I think one of them has come to their senses, they go the opposite way and start another controversy IMO. :blushing: I've learned through burning my hand on the stove.

[kitty1182]

I hope he doesn't, but where else can he go? It doesn't seem that he has many friends or family that would help him out.

I am so hoping he can find another place to go when he gets out of hospital....

[WillowInFlight]

Fear, loyalty, love, duty.

I'll give you fear, but as far as loyalty, love and duty, I don't see it with these people.

[Neffy]

Once again we saw nobody calling Baez on the fact he didn't want a GAG ORDER IIRC. :thumbdown:


See IMO that's why he fought the gag order or one of the reasons. It was strategy. The more out there the more he will dig into some technicallity appeal. At least that IMO was his line of thought. In the end it will always come back to his opposition of the gag.

[Destini]

I am so hoping he can find another place to go when he gets out of hospital....

Doesn't he have family in Fort Myers?

[WillowInFlight]

Ah yes, but Cinnamon was a mere teenager of 14 when she claimed to have killed her stepmother, was highly influenced by her father, and she knew her father was rich enough to get her out of it, even though that didn't happen. Circumstances were much different in this case.

Regardless, what would be the A's motive...unless they had a huge life insurance policy on Caylee.

You are correct as always, I just think mentally Casey was still a child also, though not one to be coerced.

[CANDYKISSES]

And to add 911 would never have been called by Cindy...........And if Cindy had all this to do again, I dont think she would call 911......

I'm still reading to catch up, but saw this and wanted to reply.

IF you look at the ACTIONS by CINDY from July 16th on, I would have to strongly agree with you. I don't know what they WOULD have done regarding Caylee's disappearance if they were all on the same page, but fear what would have gone on in that home GETTING TO THE BOTTOM and locating CAYLEE IMO. :w00t:

[need2no]

Doesn't he have family in Fort Myers?

Yes, his parents. That's where he stayed when he was separated from Cindy.

[WillowInFlight]

Doesn't he have family in Fort Myers?

I believe so.

[kitty1182]

Doesn't he have family in Fort Myers?

Gosh, I don't know.....I think it would be the best thing for him to go someplace else for a while...Maybe a relative will step in and offer to take him in..

[AlohaRainbow]

If I was one of his students ...I might suggest...He read the discovery documents instead of waiting for the media to tell him what the evidence is.
:laugh: wonder what grade baez would give the student in that case

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, and I can tell you why my theory holds water. Anyone that knows anything about child abuse, will tell you that a child that has been a victim of child abuse will be drawn to automatically protect the parent that is abusing them. Abuse comes in several forms. The strongest of which is verbal/emotional abuse. Take a look at the conversations and power struggles going on between Casey and Cindy. It's so clear to me and others here who have said the same, that Cindy uses words as her weapon of choice against her daughter. So yes, the same mom that she told "everbody lies, everybody dies" if that is what she said, the same mom who tried to wring her neck if that is what happened and the same mom who called Casey's child a mistake and made sure she ground it in Caseys face on a daily basis what a loser Casey was.

But you know IMO, Casey gave as good as she got.

[WillowInFlight]

:seeya: Willow!

Wasn't Cinnamon a minor?

She was hon, I already addressed that to need.

[myownopera]

Ok, let's go with that.....why on earth would any of her family trust her to dispose of the body?

If any one else from that family had been involved, there would never have been a missing Caylee. They had noone to explain a missing child to. She hadn't started school so there's no school looking for her. Family? well, outside of George, Cindy and Lee, who is there that couldn't be quieted by saying, you know, her biological dad is back in the picture and she's with him and his family. There never would have been a body recovered. That car, as smelly as is was, if George had been truly involved in it, would be at the bottom of some lake now.

I'll be very surprosed if any of the other 3 Anthony's had any part in Caylee's death.

You know a lot of people think there has been "twists and turns" in this case, I disagree. (Boy I know I'm going to be chewed up and spit out for that statement). But I truly think, Caylee died when KC was with her,either at home or in the trunk of the car. She did not know what to do -- she is a very immature young girl --- so she did nothing. She probably didn't even realize that there would be a smell - she doesn't think that far ahead. I think the last true statement Cindy made was when she called the police and reported she had her daughter, wanted to turn her in and mentioned the dammmm smell in the car. The 3 Anthony's may have helped cover up --after the fact, but I agree with LadyHawk that it would be very surprising of any of those three had "any part in Caylee's death".

MOO

[need2no]

Not that we are allowed to discuss it- but I can think of one motive. IMOO

Involving parentage? If that was the motive, why wait until Caylee was almost 3?

If you are thinking of something else can you give me a hint? :smile:

[5boxersmom]

But you know IMO, Casey gave as good as she got.

Yep the neighbors said Casey would yell and cuss her mother and Cindy would not say anything back to her.

jmo

[Heyes]

Yes, there is evidence of a decomposing body in the trunk of her car. Does that tell me she did it or was just driving around with a decomposing dead body in the car. Again, I am not being adversarial, but I just would like to know what makes everyone here so certain she committed murder and not just the moving of a dead body.

Seriously?
wow

[jammies]

Gotta admit that's mighty generous of casey...giving up on life at 22 to protect others. Who knew......

:rolleyes:



St. Casey the Martyr. :rolleyes:

[CANDYKISSES]

Is this "Joy" the only source for the discussion of Cindy going to Tampa?

I've looked through all the links and can find nothing about it. As no link (that I'm aware of) was given for the above, what was the context of the statement about the Tampa visit?

Anyone? TIA

Pat, I certainly hope that between all those child finding experts, they can convince Joy to take the photos of her young child down on the myspace account. That is totally irresponsible and dangerous as well. Shame on her. :cursing:

[Destini]

Yes, his parents. That's where he stayed when he was separated from Cindy.

I'm sure his parents must be quite elderly, but if they still have a home I'm hoping he goes there. Or maybe he has siblings there. Cindy didn't want to get a divorce from him because he would get half of everything or whatever, but if he filed for divorce she wouldn't really have a choice.

Not that I think he's perfect by any means, but Lord knows a person can only take so much. Separating might give them both a much needed break from one another so they can clear their heads & hopefully move this thing along.

[Unperson1984]

Ok, let's go with that.....why on earth would any of her family trust her to dispose of the body?

If any one else from that family had been involved, there would never have been a missing Caylee. They had noone to explain a missing child to. She hadn't started school so there's no school looking for her. Family? well, outside of George, Cindy and Lee, who is there that couldn't be quieted by saying, you know, her biological dad is back in the picture and she's with him and his family. There never would have been a body recovered. That car, as smelly as is was, if George had been truly involved in it, would be at the bottom of some lake now.

I'll be very surprosed if any of the other 3 Anthony's had any part in Caylee's death.

I am convinced that Cindy believed no one in her family was responsible for Caylee's disappearance at the moment she made the third 911 call, for all the same reasons you point out.

The Anthony family doesn’t appear to have a circle of close personal friends, nor do they seem to be close to their families. Were this a conspiracy it would have been very easy for them to explain Casey and Caylee’s absence by simply saying Casey got an out-of-State job and sending her to California for a year or two.

[kitty1182]

Pat, I certainly hope that between all those child finding experts, they can convince Joy to take the photos of her young child down on the myspace account. That is totally irresponsible and dangerous as well. Shame on her. :cursing:

I haven't seen that..What is her myspace?

[desmom]

Fear, loyalty, love, duty.

What?!?

From what I heard of the phone call home and the 8/14 visit, Casey does not fear anyone in that family. If anything, the family fears Casey and her temper. jmo

[kitty1182]

I'm sure his parents must be quite elderly, but if they still have a home I'm hoping he goes there. Or maybe he has siblings there. Cindy didn't want to get a divorce from him because he would get half of everything or whatever, but if he filed for divorce she wouldn't really have a choice.

Not that I think he's perfect by any means, but Lord knows a person can only take so much. Separating might give them both a much needed break from one another so they can clear their heads & hopefully move this thing along.

I so agree..Even in a home with nothing bad going on, being around each other 24/7 is not a good thing to do.....

[need2no]

But you know IMO, Casey gave as good as she got.

True dat...she didn't cower down one bit to Cindy....we've heard it first hand.

[catpaws]

Has there been any thinking by anyone here that the heart sticker could have been one that either CA or GA gave Caylee? Just a little added shock value if you know what I mean, as if death wasn't enough to make Casey's point. Perhaps it could have been from some stickers thay gave Caylee, maybe last Valentine's Day and that realization could have been what did George in.

Other thing I haven't seen mentioned here (but then I don't have time to read everything and, yes, I did search this) is how Casey's hand was shaking in court on Friday. It's when she takes her left hand and puits it in her jacket, like adjusting her bra strap. Also,I think she looked terrified when LKB first leaned over and talked to her, even with her smiles. Hey, maybe some of this is starting to get to her.

MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

I haven't seen that..What is her myspace?

I don't have it bookmarked Kitty. I get really sickened when parents put their children into their myspace accounts, ESPECIALLY when they are very controversial and out to get attention for themselves. IT's exposing children to unnecessary evils in this day and age IMOO. :mad:

[desmom]

She was hon, I already addressed that to need.

Thanks Willow. I deleted my post after I saw my question answered.

[Neffy]

I'm not convinced he's capable of coming up with a strategy.

:thumbsup:


LOL Point noted.

[Jessspb]

Casey's smile was for her lawyers. Ok . . Fine. What about the flirty, improper, ill-timed incident with the pen between Casey and Jose? I'm sure Casey will have no smiles during the trial. Unfortunately her lawyers will drill that point home to her. I sure wish the jurors could see what we see at these motion hearings. The girl was smiling and flirting while her daughter's remains were being discussed. Unbelievable!:thumbdown: