Saturday, January 31st - Part Two (Evening)

[FrankieBones1]

New thread, all!

[FrankieBones1]

Reminder for 10pm

A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview

[happygert]

Thanks for new thread...

[FrankieBones1]

Hey, Frankie! Thank you for the new thread and the reminder. Yup, I have my recorder set for 10. Can't wait!

Hi, January. Some think that Cindy has agreed to the interview because of the lastest People Magazine story.

[Carol25]

It appears I came right in time for a new thread!

Well, I have a question. There is speculation that KC's attorney will return the deposition question sheet in the civil suit blank although her name will be on the sheet. I thought this was a compromise agreed to by both sides. Am I wrong?

[IM4Truth]

New thread, all!

Don't forget to report to the mod so she can close the other one.

[IM4Truth]

It appears I came right in time for a new thread!

Well, I have a question. There is speculation that KC's attorney will return the deposition question sheet in the civil suit blank although her name will be on the sheet. I thought this was a compromise agreed to by both sides. Am I wrong?

Compromise? I hadn't heard that. I thought she just might answer the one that said this isn't the right Zenaida.

[marshmallow]

Hi, January. Some think that Cindy has agreed to the interview because of the lastest People Magazine story.

I'm some :laugh: I think so because of the timing.
Although someone made a good point when they said it may have been taped right as George had his fall apart.

[FrankieBones1]

Thanks for new thread...Hi, Gert. Did you see this earlier today?
Here is a snipped from People.com

In an interview with the FBI last year, George said that he and his wife had separated for more than six months starting at the end of 2005. They reconciled, but there was no mistaking the rift between them.

"I've watched Cindy berate George over the littlest thing, just nasty, mean stuff," a source tells PEOPLE. "She'll say, 'George, you're so stupid,' in front of his friends."

Strained Relationships
Meanwhile, the relationship between Cindy and Casey – well before Caylee's murder – was even more strained. "They were always at each other's throats about something," says the source.

"Cindy would tell Casey she was immature, and Casey would tell Cindy she was ruining her life. They couldn't communicate if it wasn't for their fighting and bickering."

http://www.people.com/people/article...255306,00.html

[FrankieBones1]

I'm some :laugh: I think so because of the timing.
Although someone made a good point when they said it may have been taped right as George had his fall apart.

His teaser doesn't say if the interview is live or not so you could be right. It's possible that it was taped before the People Mag came out.

[Mimi428]

It appears I came right in time for a new thread!

Well, I have a question. There is speculation that KC's attorney will return the deposition question sheet in the civil suit blank although her name will be on the sheet. I thought this was a compromise agreed to by both sides. Am I wrong?

I hadn't heard that particular speculation. The speculation I did hear was that if Casey was deposed (as in, in person) she would give her name, age, address & after that...refuse to answer anything else.

And as others have pointed out, that wouldn't be likely to succeed, since her fool of an attorney filed a counter-suit, which means she CAN'T take the 5th.

[IM4Truth]

Hi, Gert. Did you see this earlier today?
Here is a snipped from People.com

In an interview with the FBI last year, George said that he and his wife had separated for more than six months starting at the end of 2005. They reconciled, but there was no mistaking the rift between them.

"I've watched Cindy berate George over the littlest thing, just nasty, mean stuff," a source tells PEOPLE. "She'll say, 'George, you're so stupid,' in front of his friends."

Strained Relationships
Meanwhile, the relationship between Cindy and Casey – well before Caylee's murder – was even more strained. "They were always at each other's throats about something," says the source.

"Cindy would tell Casey she was immature, and Casey would tell Cindy she was ruining her life. They couldn't communicate if it wasn't for their fighting and bickering."

http://www.people.com/people/article...255306,00.html

I got the People Mag today and it wasn't anything we didn't already know.

[True2Blues]

Hi, January. Some think that Cindy has agreed to the interview because of the lastest People Magazine story.

Yeah, and Geraldo is the reliable, honorable, believable kind of host whose show I'd choose for an exclusive. :rolleyes: Of course, he's Baez's buddy and pro Casey, so I suppose it makes sense for Cindy. Geraldo has never been big on the truth.

[Lapis]

It appears I came right in time for a new thread!

Well, I have a question. There is speculation that KC's attorney will return the deposition question sheet in the civil suit blank although her name will be on the sheet. I thought this was a compromise agreed to by both sides. Am I wrong?

I don't know if you could call it a compromise. The judge decided that they could ask the questions in written form and Casey would then answer them. If any of the questions are objectionable the court would then decide if she could refuse to answer as it violated her fifth amendment rights. IIRC

[Carol25]

This is where there is a mention of a compromise, but it seems to be instigated by the judge.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-civil-hearing-010809,0,4465826.story

[FrankieBones1]

Yeah, and Geraldo is the reliable, honorable, believable kind of host whose show I'd choose for an exclusive. :rolleyes: Of course, he's Baez's buddy and pro Casey, so I suppose it makes sense for Cindy. Geraldo has never been big on the truth.

I never thought of it that way but that makes sense. Geraldo won't ask Cindy the hard questions.

[IM4Truth]

Yeah, and Geraldo is the reliable, honorable, believable kind of host whose show I'd choose for an exclusive. :rolleyes: Of course, he's Baez's buddy and pro Casey, so I suppose it makes sense for Cindy. Geraldo has never been big on the truth.

Near the end of the other thread (where they are still posting) there are a couple of u-tubes on 7/27 and 7/30 where Geraldo had not buddied up with JB yet and he was being very critical of Cindy. He appeared to be big on the truth in those. Then he jumped the fence after a day at sea!

[AMS]

I'm just watching the video from the hearing on Friday. Linda KB is yakking and yakking and yakking. I've not seen her in action before. She is driving me insane. IMO.

[Carol25]

I don't know if you could call it a compromise. The judge decided that they could ask the questions in written form and Casey would then answer them. If any of the questions are objectionable the court would then decide if she could refuse to answer as it violated her fifth amendment rights. IIRC
Technically speaking, she lost her 5th admendment rights when she counter sued. However, prudence would dictate the removal of questions like, "Did you kill Caylee?, " etc.

[?noanswer]

It appears I came right in time for a new thread!

Well, I have a question. There is speculation that KC's attorney will return the deposition question sheet in the civil suit blank although her name will be on the sheet. I thought this was a compromise agreed to by both sides. Am I wrong?

I've heard that too. If she refuses to follow the Judges order, could she lose the case by default. Would the court throw out her counterclaim? JMO

[ConchGirl]

Near the end of the other thread (where they are still posting) there are a couple of u-tubes on 7/27 and 7/30 where Geraldo had not buddied up with JB yet and he was being very critical of Cindy. He appeared to be big on the truth in those. Then he jumped the fence after a day at sea!

$$$ and it seems to pay off with exclusive soft ball interviews. moo

[ConchGirl]

I'm just watching the video from the hearing on Friday. Linda KB is yakking and yakking and yakking. I've not seen her in action before. She is driving me insane. IMO.

They say she is responsible for Casey's makeover :scared:

[Carol25]

I've heard that too. If she refuses to follow the Judges order, could she lose the case by default. Would the court throw out her counterclaim? JMO
That is something I can't figure out. Why hasn't Baez just removed his counterclaim?

[IM4Truth]

They say she is responsible for Casey's makeover :scared:

Who said that? If she was, she needed to follow up on her own appearance!

[FrankieBones1]

They say she is responsible for Casey's makeover :scared:
I mentioned that yesterday but I was only guessing. LKB tends to get close to her clients. I was surprised that she didn't have her arm around Casey like she did Spector.

[Heyes]

Who said that? If she was, she needed to follow up on her own appearance!


I have two words for Ms. LKB....Redkin Products.

[Lapis]

Technically speaking, she lost her 5th admendment rights when she counter sued. However, prudence would dictate the removal of questions like, "Did you kill Caylee?, " etc.

That only applies to the countersuit. A defendant in a civil suit cannot loose their 5th amendment rights. Frankly, this is something I never understood, here, the case would be put on an inactive list until the criminal matter is over. JMO

[Pebbles]

That's not true. A long time ago, he exposed a mental hospital in New Jersey that was abusing and neglecting children with handicaps. He got a tip and followed up. While the entire state turned a blind eye, he was the ONLY one that had the guts to go in there under the dark of night, risk his life and exposed the whole lot of them and shut them down. He was responsible for saving hundreds of children from torture, abuse and neglect. Let's give credit where credit is due.



Okay, and since then...........

[IM4Truth]

I mentioned that yesterday but I was only guessing. LKB tends to get close to her clients. I was surprised that she didn't have her arm around Casey like she did Spector.

Funny, I mentioned too that I thought LKB might try to fix Casey up a bit before the hearing but after I saw LKB I knew it wasn't her.

[ConchGirl]

I mentioned that yesterday but I was only guessing. LKB tends to get close to her clients. I was surprised that she didn't have her arm around Casey like she did Spector.

Did you hear her hacking up a lung in court? Even Casey seemed annoyed by it. moo

[happygert]

Hi, Gert. Did you see this earlier today?
Here is a snipped from People.com

In an interview with the FBI last year, George said that he and his wife had separated for more than six months starting at the end of 2005. They reconciled, but there was no mistaking the rift between them.

"I've watched Cindy berate George over the littlest thing, just nasty, mean stuff," a source tells PEOPLE. "She'll say, 'George, you're so stupid,' in front of his friends."

Strained Relationships
Meanwhile, the relationship between Cindy and Casey – well before Caylee's murder – was even more strained. "They were always at each other's throats about something," says the source.

"Cindy would tell Casey she was immature, and Casey would tell Cindy she was ruining her life. They couldn't communicate if it wasn't for their fighting and bickering."

http://www.people.com/people/article...255306,00.html

Thanks FrankieBones... Well that says a lot about that household..seems like saturday night fights everyday.. No wonder ga dont want to come home probably enjoying peace and quite for a change...

[Carol25]

That only applies to the countersuit. A defendant in a civil suit cannot loose their 5th amendment rights. Frankly, this is something I never understood, here, the case would be put on an inactive list until the criminal matter is over. JMO
That's interesting. I haven't heard this discussed this way on tv.

[ConchGirl]

Or maybe he might of learned something that nobody else is privvy to. He might have very valid reasons besides a day sailing trip with Baez for changing his mind.

Exclusive interviews?

[Lapis]

That's interesting. I haven't heard this discussed this way on tv.

Sorry meant to add that that would be here where I practice law. Don't know why not in Fla.

[ConchGirl]

I think Casey prefers a mans arm aroun her. Hi Frankie!:seeya:

I'm not sure about that after seeing her party pictures. :rolleyes:

[cassidy]

Or maybe he might of learned something that nobody else is privvy to. He might have very valid reasons besides a day sailing trip with Baez for changing his mind.

And he might have just bought the whole line Jose was selling him.

JMO

[Pruddennce]

I'm just watching the video from the hearing on Friday. Linda KB is yakking and yakking and yakking. I've not seen her in action before. She is driving me insane. IMO.

she yells. she failed to realize all that yelling was not going to fix her flop of a motion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Carol25]

Sorry meant to add that that would be here where I practice law. Don't know why not in Fla.
It seems like it should be uniform thoughout the country. But we never know.

[Januarybaby]

Wonder if Cindy will respond to when people said the As no longer think Casey is so innocent.

I bet she denies that til the cows come home.

[happygert]

I have two words for Ms. LKB....Redkin Products.

Climatress...

[True2Blues]

That's not true. A long time ago, he exposed a mental hospital in New Jersey that was abusing and neglecting children with handicaps. He got a tip and followed up. While the entire state turned a blind eye, he was the ONLY one that had the guts to go in there under the dark of night, risk his life and exposed the whole lot of them and shut them down. He was responsible for saving hundreds of children from torture, abuse and neglect. Let's give credit where credit is due.

In the 1970's before his talk show days, Geraldo Rivera was a legitimate journalist. I've mentioned that before. However, since he hit mainstream media he's become one of the biggest sensationalists, with little regard for truth. I liked and respected him once, but he isn't that person anymore. That's the way I see him. I think it's a shame, but there it is.

[sunstar]

Hi, Gert. Did you see this earlier today?
Here is a snipped from People.com

In an interview with the FBI last year, George said that he and his wife had separated for more than six months starting at the end of 2005. They reconciled, but there was no mistaking the rift between them.

"I've watched Cindy berate George over the littlest thing, just nasty, mean stuff," a source tells PEOPLE. "She'll say, 'George, you're so stupid,' in front of his friends."

Strained Relationships
Meanwhile, the relationship between Cindy and Casey – well before Caylee's murder – was even more strained. "They were always at each other's throats about something," says the source.

"Cindy would tell Casey she was immature, and Casey would tell Cindy she was ruining her life. They couldn't communicate if it wasn't for their fighting and bickering."

http://www.people.com/people/article...255306,00.html

Thanks so much Frankie! Is there more of the article you can put here? The link said page not found so it looks like they may have deleted it. :shrug:

[JLP]

They say she is responsible for Casey's makeover :scared:

Obviously.
Her hair looks like a bleached out rats nest.

[sunstar]

I'm just watching the video from the hearing on Friday. Linda KB is yakking and yakking and yakking. I've not seen her in action before. She is driving me insane. IMO.

I guess you didn't follow the 1st Spector trial! Her O/S for that was endless!! :D

[Heyes]

In the 1970's before his talk show days, Geraldo Rivera was a legitimate journalist. I've mentioned that before. However, since he hit mainstream media he's become one of the biggest sensationalists, with little regard for truth. I liked and respected him once, but he isn't that person anymore. That's the way I see him. I think it's a shame, but there it is.

But ya got to admit. he can hang onto a bush in the middle of a hurricane like noones business. lol
To bad the last one didn't sweep him out to sea if this is the type of nonsense he's going to be spouting from now on. I thought of all people he'd be hard on the baby killer. Guess his friendship with biaz and whatever those to are planning is much more important to him.

[True2Blues]

she yells. she failed to realize all that yelling was not going to fix her flop of a motion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

It doesn't seem to matter to her. She just gets into the face of whoever she's addressing and brays at full volume, insisting she's right until someone says 'enough!' Luckily for Judge Strickland, he had the authority to tell her to wrap it up on Friday, Bless his heart, that made my day! LOL

[True2Blues]

I guess you didn't follow the 1st Spector trial! Her O/S for that was endless!! :D


As well as her closing and her questioning on 'forensic' matters.

[ConchGirl]

In the 1970's before his talk show days, Geraldo Rivera was a legitimate journalist. I've mentioned that before. However, since he hit mainstream media he's become one of the biggest sensationalists, with little regard for truth. I liked and respected him once, but he isn't that person anymore. That's the way I see him. I think it's a shame, but there it is.

Somewhat like Jerry Springer used to be the Mayor of Cincinnati, Ohio. Money seems to corrupt, kind of like Wall Street. The truth and morals no longer matter as long as you are personally profiting. Are you listening Cindy? moo

[Kara]

Reminder for 10pm

A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview
Oh Lordy...I just cannot do Geraldo. I will have to just read what others have to say about the show....but it's always great to see you Frankie!!

[True2Blues]

When he was on 20/20 (I think it was) with Barbara Walters,yes he was a good journalist, but once he tried to open Al capones vault he lost all credibility!

It's a shame. I really used to respect him. Mind you, I still got a kick out of him on Sheppard Smith when Drew Peterson came out to be interviewed about the contest to fix him up, and Peterson tried to storm off with the ear piece in. When Geraldo said he needed to be hit in the ...er..private area with a bat, I laughed out loud.

[True2Blues]

Somewhat like Jerry Springer used to be the Mayor of Cincinnati, Ohio. Money seems to corrupt, kind of like Wall Street. The truth and morals no longer matter as long as you are personally profiting. Are you listening Cindy? moo

You can bet she tuned you out, even though you're right.

[sunstar]

As well as her closing and her questioning on 'forensic' matters.

Oh yes! And I'll expect the same thing when Casey's trial starts. :smile:

[True2Blues]

I plan on watching the interview, just to see what he'll do. It would be nice to be surprised!


I just can't take him anymore.

[True2Blues]

Oh yes! And I'll expect the same thing when Casey's trial starts. :smile:

It's a scary thought, isn't it? My ears cringe when I just look at her.

[?noanswer]

Sorry meant to add that that would be here where I practice law. Don't know why not in Fla.


I heard that KC said she wasn't going to the hearing yesterday. She didn't care if they held her in contempt. I think they had a method to get her to court if she refused.

What if she refuses to answer the questionnaire (I don't think she will be made to answer if she killed Caylee)? Can they put her in solitary? They can't hold her in contempt and put her in jail as she is already there. I was thinking about this while I was taking a shower. I hope someone has a legal answer to this. JMO

[Lavenia]

I'm not sure about that after seeing her party pictures. :rolleyes:

I'll tell you why that doesn't mean to me what it means to a lot of people. The girl on girl thing has been really hot for 5-10 years now. Think Brittney and Madonna at the VH1 awards. Go to many clubs where young people congregate and you will see a lot of this. The thing is the girls aren't doing it for themselves and each other. They know that most guys like to watch it and it makes the girls feel cool and daring to be so "bad" for the boys to watch. It's just to put on a show for the guys to make themselves look more sophisticated and desirable to men, IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Yes, and I posted that on the other thread too. I couldn't think of the word but "sensationalists" is perfect. He has turned his back on true journalism and gone for sensationalism. It's a shame too because I think the man has so much talent and he is so intellectual, I just think he is wasting his true talent. He is also a lawyer and has a great understanding of the legal system. I can understand if he does not want to practice, because not everyone is cut out for that kind of work and don't realize it until after the fact. But he should honestly get away from the sensationalism, in my opinion, and go for what he does best. When he covers these hurricanes, he is wasting his talent.

This so applies to Nancy Grace, for me, in a lot of ways. But I'd say "turned her back on the legal system and gone for sensationalism." That, her show has, in spades. IMO.

[SavannahStar]

I'll tell you why that doesn't mean to me what it means to a lot of people. The girl on girl thing has been really hot for 5-10 years now. Think Brittney and Madonna at the VH1 awards. Go to many clubs where young people congregate and you will see a lot of this. The thing is the girls aren't doing it for themselves and each other. They know that most guys like to watch it and it makes the girls feel cool and daring to be so "bad" for the boys to watch. It's just to put on a show for the guys to make themselves look more sophisticated and desirable to men, IMO.

I hear ya, Lavenia. Totally agree.

[ConchGirl]

On the locked thread IM4Truth says, (Quote: I don't remember ever seeing that clip where Cindy denies that Casey ever got on that 911 call! She kept on denying it! :Quote)

I don't often believe Cindy does intend to tell the truth but on this one occasion I believe when she made that call she had just realized the enormity of what had happened to Caylee. IMO the truth was so traumatic she really did forget Casey also talked to the operator.

Then she went into cover-up mode. :sneaky:

Check out around the 1:48 mark where she says that Casey never got on the phone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vLhUaYCetk&feature=related

[sunstar]

It's a scary thought, isn't it? My ears cringe when I just look at her.

Well, at least we seem to have the answer to last night's thoughts that she might have picked out Casey's outfit! :biggrin:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey3109jan31,0,460044.story

[SavannahStar]

What ever happened to plain old dancing with a boy. :sad:

LOL......you're showing your age. :laugh:

[True2Blues]

ya he probably went back to Al Capones vault and found Zanny the Nanny :rolleyes:

:lol::w00t: Don't give him ideas, please!

[Lapis]

I heard that KC said she wasn't going to the hearing yesterday. She didn't care if they held her in contempt. I think they had a method to get her to court if she refused.

What if she refuses to answer the questionnaire (I don't think she will be made to answer if she killed Caylee)? Can they put her in solitary? They can't hold her in contempt and put her in jail as she is already there. I was thinking about this while I was taking a shower. I hope someone has a legal answer to this. JMO

In civil court the penalties are different. Here they would dismiss her counterclaim and suppress her answer. Translated that means Zanaida wins. jmo

[psbperu]

In the 1970's before his talk show days, Geraldo Rivera was a legitimate journalist. I've mentioned that before. However, since he hit mainstream media he's become one of the biggest sensationalists, with little regard for truth. I liked and respected him once, but he isn't that person anymore. That's the way I see him. I think it's a shame, but there it is.

Hi True:

He was pretty good during the OJ trial & for a while post-trial. He lost his credibility with me after the Al Capone vault opening.

ITA that he isn't the same person, somehow he lost his way.

I don't even watch his show anymore even if he is having the Anthony's or anyone related to the case appearing.

Good to see you...:biggrin:

[ConchGirl]

I'll tell you why that doesn't mean to me what it means to a lot of people. The girl on girl thing has been really hot for 5-10 years now. Think Brittney and Madonna at the VH1 awards. Go to many clubs where young people congregate and you will see a lot of this. The thing is the girls aren't doing it for themselves and each other. They know that most guys like to watch it and it makes the girls feel cool and daring to be so "bad" for the boys to watch. It's just to put on a show for the guys to make themselves look more sophisticated and desirable to men, IMO.

Wow, I'm an old Catholic girl and that is scary to me. In my day that would be considered the L word which was not discussed back then and guys would be humiliated if his girlfriend preferred a girl over him. Direct slap to his manhood. You could be right. Thank God we have change in Washington and we are moving in the right direction. (sarcastic remark) moo

[sailordog]

Geraldo has had five wives ... 'nuff said.

[Pruddennce]

On the Part 1 thread, someone mentioned the Tiffany ring.. I remember Cindy asking what happened to it, and she didn't know. Cindy asked who gave it to her, and she said Jeff. Could they be talking in code? Or another lie? Someone thought the ring was stolen from Shirley.

Ive never read anything about it being Cindy's mother's ring. It appears Casey was wearing that ring in many pictures prior to this tragedy.

but who knows? Cindy's mother could have mentioned it being stolen after this tragedy began to unravel. and *lightbulb*, Cindy remembers the ring she wore and had to ask again where it came from. <---possible speculation

and of course, Casey is no stranger to wearing items obtained thru fraudulent activity (mug shot with hoodie....wearing the white sunglasses).

she did tell Cindy Jeff gave it to her and we all know Jeff H had not seen her for over year until 1 or 2 weeks prior to this event....saw her at the Ale house.

and Casey talked to him about her new fav place: Fusion. and invited him and then put him on her global text message alert...Fusion invites.

what is interesting about Jeff H's interview is his constant reference to Annie Downing being her best friend. and her statement has not been released.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Pretty Leaf]

We had a case up here that just concluded yesterday.

Mother murders 13 yr old daughter because boy friend told her " it's one or the other, her or me," so she took daughter on a drive made her get out, tackled her, jumped on her chest and used her legs to pin daughters arms and strangled her. Last thing daughter said was "mommy don't"

Imagine that, killing your daughter while she begs "mommy don't."

She was charged murder 1... plead to murder 2 got 25 yrs, no parole for 20.

Casey won't do this plea for any reason because of her personality unless the trial is too close to call and she might do an 11th hour deal,

Can you imagine killing someone saying "mommy don't" I'll never forget that sentance.

[Daisy'sMom]

Hi True:

He was pretty good during the OJ trial & for a while post-trial. He lost his credibility with me after the Al Capone vault opening.

ITA that he isn't the same person, somehow he lost his way.

I don't even watch his show anymore even if he is having the Anthony's or anyone related to the case appearing.

Good to see you...:biggrin:

Geraldo and Nancy should start working for the tabloids. They are as ethical as that whole team of "writers". I refuse to watch and give them better ratings.

[cassidy]

Geraldo and Nancy should start working for the tabloids. They are as ethical as that whole team of "writers". I refuse to watch and give them better ratings.

They're both working for tabloid TV. I don't watch either of them. Just can't quite stomach it.

JMO

[True2Blues]

Hi True:

He was pretty good during the OJ trial & for a while post-trial. He lost his credibility with me after the Al Capone vault opening.

ITA that he isn't the same person, somehow he lost his way.

I don't even watch his show anymore even if he is having the Anthony's or anyone related to the case appearing.

Good to see you...:biggrin:


:seeya: I don't go out of my way to watch anything the A's are on anyway. They only go where they can control the questions and drag out the same old lies.

[sailordog]

We had a case up here that just concluded yesterday.

Mother murders 13 yr old daughter because boy friend told her " it's one or the other, her or me," so she took daughter on a drive made her get out, tackled her, jumped on her chest and used her legs to pin daughters arms and strangled her. Last thing daughter said was "mommy don't"

Imagine that, killing your daughter while she begs "mommy don't."

She was charged murder 1... plead to murder 2 got 25 yrs, no parole for 20.

Casey won't do this plea for any reason because of her personality unless the trial is too close to call and she might do an 11th hour deal,

Can you imagine killing someone saying "mommy don't" I'll never forget that sentance.

Reminds me of the baby Grace murder. The two year old, who as her mother and mother's BF were beating her to death, managed her last words, "Mommy I love you."

[ruth66]

But ya got to admit. he can hang onto a bush in the middle of a hurricane like noones business. lol
To bad the last one didn't sweep him out to sea if this is the type of nonsense he's going to be spouting from now on. I thought of all people he'd be hard on the baby killer. Guess his friendship with biaz and whatever those to are planning is much more important to him.

Darn it, you pulled me out of lurking with this.....that is my favorite video of Geraldo (the hurricane knockout), that was the best!

Back to lurking......

[cassidy]

Reminds me of the baby Grace murder. The two year old, who as her mother and mother's BF were beating her to death, managed her last words, "Mommy I love you."

I can't even imagine. That is heartbreaking :(

[?noanswer]

In civil court the penalties are different. Here they would dismiss her counterclaim and suppress her answer. Translated that means Zanaida wins. jmo


Thanks for translating!!! I know KC does not have any money, but someone/something is paying for lawyers and experts. Could that money be taken to pay a judgement to Zanaida? (I don't think so, but I don't know how the legal system works.) JMO

[Mimi428]

I'll tell you why that doesn't mean to me what it means to a lot of people. The girl on girl thing has been really hot for 5-10 years now. Think Brittney and Madonna at the VH1 awards. Go to many clubs where young people congregate and you will see a lot of this. The thing is the girls aren't doing it for themselves and each other. They know that most guys like to watch it and it makes the girls feel cool and daring to be so "bad" for the boys to watch. It's just to put on a show for the guys to make themselves look more sophisticated and desirable to men, IMO.

I agree that all us old folks have very little idea of the goings on with some of the young people today.

The girl-on-girl thing is a perfect example - ITA with your comments about it. And the willingness to perform a specific act on males, sometimes with witnesses, is another example. I thought I would literally drop over in a faint when my daughter was telling me several years ago about one of the jr high schools having just such a problem - & how she was in a complete dither about how to approach that subject with her soon-to-be jr-high age son.

[trich]

Okay, and since then...........

Remember the line in the sand he drew while giving away our military's position in Desert Storm ?
I don't think I have to say any more!

[apothecary]

What does anyone think of Kiomarie selling her story to the Enquirer?I myself have no problem with her selling it because I personally think it is more truthful than anything that the Anthonys and their advisors print.The latest one about how she and Casey buried their pets at the crime scene really showed me that putting heart symbols on dead things was a Casey thing.Why shouldn't some of the former friends be allowed to make some money especially if the big shots can make a lot of money from Caylee's death.At least they seem to be telling the truth and will definitely need the money if they have to defends themselves in the future.

[sunstar]

We had a case up here that just concluded yesterday.

Mother murders 13 yr old daughter because boy friend told her " it's one or the other, her or me," so she took daughter on a drive made her get out, tackled her, jumped on her chest and used her legs to pin daughters arms and strangled her. Last thing daughter said was "mommy don't"

Imagine that, killing your daughter while she begs "mommy don't."

She was charged murder 1... plead to murder 2 got 25 yrs, no parole for 20.

Casey won't do this plea for any reason because of her personality unless the trial is too close to call and she might do an 11th hour deal,

Can you imagine killing someone saying "mommy don't" I'll never forget that sentance.
I think this is why Caylee's mouth had duct tape on it so she couldn't say anything. The sentence this woman got doesn't seem anywhere long enough for the killing you've described. :mad: MOO

[Lapis]

Thanks for translating!!! I know KC does not have any money, but someone/something is paying for lawyers and experts. Could that money be taken to pay a judgement to Zanaida? (I don't think so, but I don't know how the legal system works.) JMO

I don't have any information about her finances. I think any money they have received has already gone toward her criminal legal fees and so have already been transferred to JB. Just ask the Goldman's how long someone can evade a civil judgment. JMO

[ConchGirl]

Darn it, you pulled me out of lurking with this.....that is my favorite video of Geraldo (the hurricane knockout), that was the best!

Back to lurking......
Your wish is my command http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziScjyf4Ic :biggrin:

[?noanswer]

What does anyone think of Kiomarie selling her story to the Enquirer?I myself have no problem with her selling it because I personally think it is more truthful than anything that the Anthonys and their advisors print.The latest one about how she and Casey buried their pets at the crime scene really showed me that putting heart symbols on dead things was a Casey thing.Why shouldn't some of the former friends be allowed to make some money especially if the big shots can make a lot of money from Caylee's death.At least they seem to be telling the truth and will definitely need the money if they have to defends themselves in the future.

Was that story before or after it was released that Caylee had a heart sticker on the duct tape? JMO

[Lapis]

I agree that all us old folks have very little idea of the goings on with some of the young people today.

The girl-on-girl thing is a perfect example - ITA with your comments about it. And the willingness to perform a specific act on males, sometimes with witnesses, is another example. I thought I would literally drop over in a faint when my daughter was telling me several years ago about one of the jr high schools having just such a problem - & how she was in a complete dither about how to approach that subject with her soon-to-be jr-high age son.

I don't know I can recall some family reunions where the women danced and the men sat. The war generation used to dancing when no men around. Different kind of dancing though. JMO

[cassidy]

Sometimes I have gotten so angry at Nancy because not everything on her show can be taken without a box of salt. But when I don't get a chance to come here for information (and this is my primary source) she is the next best thing. She is the only person on television who is loyal to this story. Not even Jane Valez can say that she eats, breathes, sleeps this story. Only Nancy. Let's give credit to where it is due.

It gets her rating. ratings equal $'s. There's the credit.

JMO

[?noanswer]

and i hope you're right January

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that maybe... just maybe Geraldo will ask her some tough questions instead of sitting there and giving her a platform to spout more nonsense.

If he controls the interview, he will do better than most. The closest anyone has come was Megan K. JMO

[ConchGirl]

I don't know I can recall some family reunions where the women danced and the men sat. The war generation used to dancing when no men around. Different kind of dancing though. JMO

IMO there is a big difference in women dancing and having a good time and grinding. moo

[?noanswer]

I don't know I can recall some family reunions where the women danced and the men sat. The war generation used to dancing when no men around. Different kind of dancing though. JMO

Weddings too. It seems that women like to dance more than men. JMO

[Puffybubble]

Has anyone considered Casey may have been doing Ectasy? Thats a very popular club drug, makes you very promiscuous, and its rampant in clubs with techno music, which I believe Lazzaro was into. Just a thought.

[sunstar]

At the risk of sounding like a fossil, the young girls and women today need to learn where their value really comes from.

I'll sound like one, even though I'm not that old, by agreeing with you! I don't understand it either, but thankfully some young people do have morals and don't engage in that kind of activity. :smile:

[Lavenia]

At the risk of sounding like a fossil, the young girls and women today need to learn where their value really comes from.

Oh it just pizzes me off to know end to see females lowering themselves to do things they would never do on their own, to try to get or keep the attention of a guy/guys. :no: Thank goodness my daughter saw this particular craze as catering to someone other than herself for no good reason, and didn't do it.

(For the record, I couldn't care less what someone's sexuality is. My problem is about girls being true to themselves.)

[ConchGirl]

Has anyone considered Casey may have been doing Ectasy? Thats a very popular club drug, makes you very promiscuous, and its rampant in clubs with techno music, which I believe Lazzaro was into. Just a thought.

You could be right. Just like cocaine it metabolizes very quickly. moo

[MrsHudson]

Wonder if Cindy will respond to when people said the As no longer think Casey is so innocent.

I bet she denies that til the cows come home.

I wish Geraldo would tell her that she, Lee, George and Baez are the only people on the entire planet who think Casey is innocent. It would be the truth. I would like to know what she thinks of that.

If will be a puff piece.

[?noanswer]

Has anyone considered Casey may have been doing Ectasy? Thats a very popular club drug, makes you very promiscuous, and its rampant in clubs with techno music, which I believe Lazzaro was into. Just a thought.

It seems most of the people that LE interviewed said she wasn't into drugs. A couple might have said she used marijuana (sp?). If Annie D.'s interview is ever released that could give more insight. IIRC, there were some text messages about collecting money. Don't think they mentioned what the money was for. JMO

[Mimi428]

At the risk of sounding like a fossil, the young girls and women today need to learn where their value really comes from.

Unfortunately, they are being relentlessly exposed to images of young women like Brittney, Paris & others like them. The message they are receiving from our society's embrace, acceptance & promotion of that is drowning out the sane but dull message of self-respect & keeping core values.

JMO

[Dells]

Bringing this over from the previous thread because I think it is a great post and I wanted to comment on it. This was originally posted by KJT200

a comment.........


I understand why defense attorney's are a necessary component of our legal system and further understand how the system would not work without them. Additionally I understand about providing alternative theories and making the state prove their case................


but..........................

Is it just me or is thought process just going too far these days. Let me clarify...............

--Let's say someone robs a gas station in a mask. No fingerprints, no ID and only the basic body shape of the robber evident. The alternative theory is that someone else did it.....

---But it seems as if defense actions in high profile cases are just made up lies with the hope that one juror will fall for the trick. For example, try to find one juror who believes in alien abduction and put forth the theory that aliens are responsible. It's crazy, it's insane and its a lie, but it seems like this is what defense practice has become in some cases.

And I think it's wrong.

Thanks for listening. My own opinion. Be well.


I think this is such a great post and that is what bothers me about what the criminal defense system has turned into. It's not about justice, it is about winning the game. That doesn't sit well w/me, because if someone is responsible for the murder of someone else, they should have to pay for it. They shouldn't get away w/it and walk away scott free because they just happened to have a criminal defense attorney that knows how to work the system and create a lot of smoke and mirrors.:sneaky:

[CANDYKISSES]

If he controls the interview, he will do better than most. The closest anyone has come was Megan K. JMO


Yes, DH and I were just discussing that. Megan is NO NONSENSE and she calls them like she sees them without babying anyone. She expects that when she takes the time to interview, the interviewee will act adult and respectful. I've watched her with politicians and she simply doesn't tolerate it. JMO. :thumbup:

[Dells]

Reminder for 10pm

A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview

Thanks for the reminder.:thumbup: I am anxious to see this show to see what CA has to say in the interview.

[MrsHudson]

What does anyone think of Kiomarie selling her story to the Enquirer?I myself have no problem with her selling it because I personally think it is more truthful than anything that the Anthonys and their advisors print.The latest one about how she and Casey buried their pets at the crime scene really showed me that putting heart symbols on dead things was a Casey thing.Why shouldn't some of the former friends be allowed to make some money especially if the big shots can make a lot of money from Caylee's death.At least they seem to be telling the truth and will definitely need the money if they have to defends themselves in the future.

I don't fault her for it as long as she told the truth.

I don't resent anyone making money honestly.

[VC2]

I wonder if cindy is on tonight bc she and conway plan to plea for baez to release caylee's remains so she can be buried.

I just read (and then closed so no idea of the link) that conway reacted the church who said a memorial service at 10 feb "that until the remains are released we cannot make a date" - yes some cannot foresee a memorial service until the remains are buried, others can. At least when there are remains available.

He mentioned it during georges breakdown as well.

This could be an attempt to get baez to let caylee go and bury here.

imo

[Dells]

Hi, January. Some think that Cindy has agreed to the interview because of the lastest People Magazine story.

Yep, she is probably trying for some sort of damage control. Because of what Casey did, all their dirty laundry is hanging out there for the world to see.

[?noanswer]

I just hope GR is not a rerun!! JMO

[ConchGirl]

Oh it just pizzes me off to know end to see females lowering themselves to do things they would never do on their own, to try to get or keep the attention of a guy/guys. :no: Thank goodness my daughter saw this particular craze as catering to someone other than herself for no good reason, and didn't do it.

(For the record, I couldn't care less what someone's sexuality is. My problem is about girls being true to themselves.)

I find it interesting that the youth of today do not consider oral sex as intimate :ohmy: Caylee was conceived as the result of immaculate conception according to Cindy.

[Lapis]

although i wouldnt do it... i don't have a problem with Casey dancing on a pole with another girl... heck she can dance with a monkey for all i care!

What I have a problem with is her dancing with anyone or anything and partying like it's 1999!! while her baby daughter is missing! :cursing:

ITA that's the objectionable behavior.

[apothecary]

Was that story before or after it was released that Caylee had a heart sticker on the duct tape? JMO
Good question...I think it was after.It was in the latest Enquirer(I think)

[Lapis]

I wish Geraldo would tell her that she, Lee, George and Baez are the only people on the entire planet who think Casey is innocent. It would be the truth. I would like to know what she thinks of that.

If will be a puff piece.

Don't forget the woman who called into HLN the other night.

[Mimi428]

I don't know I can recall some family reunions where the women danced and the men sat. The war generation used to dancing when no men around. Different kind of dancing though. JMO

Oh, I don't at ALL mean the type you are referring to. I am only referring to the rub against, the bump & grind sort of stuff.

I have only sisters & my dad was away as much as he was ever home. I completely understand the girls dancing thing.

Maybe Casey will get to watch Jail House Rock & learn the lyrics..."you the cutest jailbird I ever did see..."

[MrsHudson]

I think this is why Caylee's mouth had duct tape on it so she couldn't say anything. The sentence this woman got doesn't seem anywhere long enough for the killing you've described. :mad: MOO

The sentence was probably light because it would upset the grandparents of the girl who was killed by her mother. :flamemad:

They did not want to loose both of them. :glare:

[summer4meplz]

What does anyone think of Kiomarie selling her story to the Enquirer?I myself have no problem with her selling it because I personally think it is more truthful than anything that the Anthonys and their advisors print.The latest one about how she and Casey buried their pets at the crime scene really showed me that putting heart symbols on dead things was a Casey thing.Why shouldn't some of the former friends be allowed to make some money especially if the big shots can make a lot of money from Caylee's death.At least they seem to be telling the truth and will definitely need the money if they have to defends themselves in the future.


do you know how much she made? 10 to 20 thousand would be a drop in the bucket for these rag mags...but a huge amount of money to me....if I was just a fringe witness....I can understand being at least tempted.....

[?noanswer]

Don't forget the woman who called into HLN the other night.


I think that was TB's alter ego! JMO

[floridamom]

I have a funny feeling that tonights "Cindy" interview is gonna be a smackdown for Conway as Cindy says that her and George never, ever, ever, ever doubted or questioned their darling Caseys innocence and she has no idea where Conway got that ridiculous notion! :laugh:

If that is true conway will go the way of Nejame

[Dells]

I mentioned that yesterday but I was only guessing. LKB tends to get close to her clients. I was surprised that she didn't have her arm around Casey like she did Spector.

I wonder if the hearing y-day was the first time those 2 had met? There's still time for them to get close...

[ConchGirl]

Don't forget the woman who called into HLN the other night.

I'd be willing to bet that the caller was a Jose stunt, Todd my name is not Black plant. Time will tell. moo

[Dells]

Exclusive interviews?

That's my thought as well.:sneaky:

[AlohaRainbow]

quick thanks to neffy and sunstar for responding on the previous thread to my questions about when lkb was brought on board (related to whether lenamon and lkb were both on board together).

i had to run some errands and when i returned, the previous thread was locked

[MrsHudson]

That's not true. Otherwise how is it that people all over the country are sending her money for her expenses in jail. And who is footing the bill for her defense?

And then there are the other 1/4 of the country who are still not sure and the other 1/4 that don't even follow this case.

I was using hyperbole.

But in all my travels around the internet in this case since it started and all the hundreds (thousands?) of posts I have read there are maybe 5% who think shes innocent and that was before the duct tape and heart sticker..

[SavannahStar]

We had a case up here that just concluded yesterday.

Mother murders 13 yr old daughter because boy friend told her " it's one or the other, her or me," so she took daughter on a drive made her get out, tackled her, jumped on her chest and used her legs to pin daughters arms and strangled her. Last thing daughter said was "mommy don't"

Imagine that, killing your daughter while she begs "mommy don't."

She was charged murder 1... plead to murder 2 got 25 yrs, no parole for 20.

Casey won't do this plea for any reason because of her personality unless the trial is too close to call and she might do an 11th hour deal,

Can you imagine killing someone saying "mommy don't" I'll never forget that sentance.


I've read A LOT about that case and it is absolutely horrifying. I'd suggest posters check it out.....that mom sure gives Casey Anthony a run for the money. You can google it: the Karissa Boudreau murder in Canada. The mother got life in prison with parole eligibility in 20 years. Maybe 15. Talk about a premeditated murder....and heinous.....mom killed her daughter for love of a boyfriend. :angry:

Very interesting to me how Canada has a far different judicial system than we do. Hardly anything was published about that case until it was over. Details, that is. No leaks, no Sunshine Laws, no nothing.

I think we could learn from that.

IMO.

[Heyes]

Your wish is my command http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziScjyf4Ic :biggrin:

He eats sand. LOL
Thank you!
One of my all time favorite geraldo clips!

[KatyDid]

Unfortunately, they are being relentlessly exposed to images of young women like Brittney, Paris & others like them. The message they are receiving from our society's embrace, acceptance & promotion of that is drowning out the sane but dull message of self-respect & keeping core values.

JMO

ITA, moral values have gone down the toilet, imo. :wink:

[sunstar]

The sentence was probably light because it would upset the grandparents of the girl who was killed by her mother. :flamemad:

They did not want to loose both of them. :glare:
I think this is the way the Anthonys feel too. MOO

[gaelicpeas]

I wonder if the hearing y-day was the first time those 2 had met? There's still time for them to get close...Not sure where I read it, but I read they met the night before Friday's hearing. JMO as no link.

[sunstar]

quick thanks to neffy and sunstar for responding on the previous thread to my questions about when lkb was brought on board (related to whether lenamon and lkb were both on board together).

i had to run some errands and when i returned, the previous thread was locked

You're most welcome! :)

[ConchGirl]

I was using hyperbole.

But in all my travels around the internet in this case since it started and all the hundreds (thousands?) of posts I have read there are maybe 5% who think shes innocent and that was before the duct tape and heart sticker..
IMO one will make it on the jury. On this board we probably have less than that as far as a percentages goes, but that minority are very persistent. It is my opinion. Here is an example of an Internet Troll.

What Is A Troll?
The term derives from "trolling", a style of fishing which involves trailing bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The troll posts a message, often in response to an honest question, that is intended to upset, disrupt or simply insult the group.

Usually, it will fail, as the troll rarely bothers to match the tone or style of the group, and usually its ignorance shows.
http://www.flayme.com/troll/

For trolls, any response is 'recognition'; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.

Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it's a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?

Remember that trolls are cowards; they'll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that's what they do!).

moo

[floridamom]

ITA, moral values have gone down the toilet, imo. :wink:

But There for the grace of God go I.....

Parents have to be involved and pay attention. Know your kids friends and their parents. Know where they are and who they are with. Am I am not ashamed to say you should snoop if you need to. Women's intuition is an amazing thing....ask any women who has been cheated on, they always say they knew long before it came out. If you think your kids are doing something wrong, check it out. Don't be one of these "I wanna be my childs friend" kind of parent. Lay out what is expected and stick to it. Too bad the Anthony's did not do that!

[Dells]

We had a case up here that just concluded yesterday.

Mother murders 13 yr old daughter because boy friend told her " it's one or the other, her or me," so she took daughter on a drive made her get out, tackled her, jumped on her chest and used her legs to pin daughters arms and strangled her. Last thing daughter said was "mommy don't"

Imagine that, killing your daughter while she begs "mommy don't."

She was charged murder 1... plead to murder 2 got 25 yrs, no parole for 20.

Casey won't do this plea for any reason because of her personality unless the trial is too close to call and she might do an 11th hour deal,

Can you imagine killing someone saying "mommy don't" I'll never forget that sentance.

Oh no, that is truly heartbreaking.:sad: No, I can't imagine anyone doing that to their own child. My children are my life and I would want to die if something happened to them.

Part me of also can't imagine Casey agreeing to any sort of plea deal. She is so over Caylee and in her mind she has already probably convinced herself that she had nothing to do w/Caylee's murder. Remember, Casey sees herself as a victim.:sneaky:

[happygert]

I heard that KC said she wasn't going to the hearing yesterday. She didn't care if they held her in contempt. I think they had a method to get her to court if she refused.

What if she refuses to answer the questionnaire (I don't think she will be made to answer if she killed Caylee)? Can they put her in solitary? They can't hold her in contempt and put her in jail as she is already there. I was thinking about this while I was taking a shower. I hope someone has a legal answer to this. JMO

It was reported that only 2 questions she will answer is her name and date of brith....

[playnice]

It was reported that only 2 questions she will answer is her name and date of brith....

So what happens when she doesnt answer the questions?

[Dells]

Your wish is my command http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziScjyf4Ic :biggrin:

:laugh: Thanks for the link. That was priceless! On that note, I am ready to watch Geraldo.:tongueside: It comes on here in 5 minutes.

[Pretty Leaf]

I've read A LOT about that case and it is absolutely horrifying. I'd suggest posters check it out.....that mom sure gives Casey Anthony a run for the money. You can google it: the Karissa Boudreau murder in Canada. The mother got life in prison with parole eligibility in 20 years. Maybe 15. Talk about a premeditated murder....and heinous.....mom killed her daughter for love of a boyfriend. :angry:

Very interesting to me how Canada has a far different judicial system than we do. Hardly anything was published about that case until it was over. Details, that is. No leaks, no Sunshine Laws, no nothing.

I think we could learn from that.

IMO.

Yes the media does not cover most cases although the big ticket cases ie" Karla Holmolka and Paul Bernardo" the pig farmer/prostitutes trials have the interest but they were under seal so no media coverage allowed.

In Bernardo case we could see it if we had a US affiliate station but after a couple of days they found a way of cutting us off when the story was played.

So in Canada, Caey's trial would not be seen or heard until after the trial was over.

[Januarybaby]

Im not going to expect too much out of the interview with CA. Geraldo and Baez r buddies now and I doubt he will ask her any "tough" questions.

[floridamom]

Everyone go get your popcorn the show is about to begin.

[KatyDid]

But There for the grace of God go I.....

Parents have to be involved and pay attention. Know your kids friends and their parents. Know where they are and who they are with. Am I am not ashamed to say you should snoop if you need to. Women's intuition is an amazing thing....ask any women who has been cheated on, they always say they knew long before it came out. If you think your kids are doing something wrong, check it out. Don't be one of these "I wanna be my childs friend" kind of parent. Lay out what is expected and stick to it. Too bad the Anthony's did not do that!

IMO, the A's knew Casey was lying for a long time, it was too much trouble to call her on it and dole out the proper discipline. Very, very sad a child had to die because of it.

[?noanswer]

Everyone go get your popcorn the show is about to begin.

CA's interview will probably come on 55 minutes into the program!!! JMO

[summer4meplz]

any news of george? will cindy be hostile or sweet? will she stand behind casey 100% and blame zanny? tune in...1 minute to geraldo...

[KatyDid]

Im not going to expect too much out of the interview with CA. Geraldo and Baez r buddies now and I doubt he will ask her any "tough" questions.

If Geraldo has Kimberley on with him, perhaps she will get one in. Bet they have some pre-program agreements about what can be asked.

[floridamom]

IMO, the A's knew Casey was lying for a long time, it was too much trouble to call her on it and dole out the proper discipline. Very, very sad a child had to die because of it.

Parenting is a hard, thankless, 24/7 job. I wish people had to take a test before they could have kids. (Not completely true-After I had my kids-that is when I thanked my parents)

[happygert]

So what happens when she doesnt answer the questions?

Back to court she goes...The judge will not be happy ..He may hold her in contempt....but heck what's he going to do throw her in jail....He will ordered her to answer them and if she dont he may just Give ZFG a judgement against her...Since baez filed a counter suit she has to answer if not then she's in default and ZFG will win her lawsuit.. Thats the way I understand it..........dang i wish Judge Stricland was the judge on this case too....lol

[sunstar]

Everyone go get your popcorn the show is about to begin.

I'm ready! :biggrin:

[happygert]

Geraldo's on

[gaelicpeas]

highlights of Geraldo don't mention Cindy....

[?noanswer]

Everybody but CA so far. JMO

[ConchGirl]

I've read A LOT about that case and it is absolutely horrifying. I'd suggest posters check it out.....that mom sure gives Casey Anthony a run for the money. You can google it: the Karissa Boudreau murder in Canada. The mother got life in prison with parole eligibility in 20 years. Maybe 15. Talk about a premeditated murder....and heinous.....mom killed her daughter for love of a boyfriend. :angry:

Very interesting to me how Canada has a far different judicial system than we do. Hardly anything was published about that case until it was over. Details, that is. No leaks, no Sunshine Laws, no nothing.

I think we could learn from that.

IMO.

They don't have the DP either. Ask them how it's working up there. moo In Newfoundland the police don't carry guns. Perhaps you should move there if you think it is so great. IMO

[MrsHudson]

:seeya: I don't go out of my way to watch anything the A's are on anyway. They only go where they can control the questions and drag out the same old lies.

I am not going to watch it.

I don't know what Cindy wants from the public.

She needs to figure out that no one owes her anything. And we are tired of being expected to.... I don't know, DO something for her!!

What does she want????

Why won't she just go away?

There is something so wrong with her.

[scillak]

But There for the grace of God go I.....

Parents have to be involved and pay attention. Know your kids friends and their parents. Know where they are and who they are with. Am I am not ashamed to say you should snoop if you need to. Women's intuition is an amazing thing....ask any women who has been cheated on, they always say they knew long before it came out. If you think your kids are doing something wrong, check it out. Don't be one of these "I wanna be my childs friend" kind of parent. Lay out what is expected and stick to it. Too bad the Anthony's did not do that!

I agree with your parenting suggestions. I just really doubt that there was much they could do with Casey. She's not your normal diffucult teenager/young adult. I can imagine being overwhelmed by and beaten down by somebody like her.

[KatyDid]

Parenting is a hard, thankless, 24/7 job. I wish people had to take a test before they could have kids. (Not completely true-After I had my kids-that is when I thanked my parents)

Me too, or take a parenting class when they bring a life into the world.

[floridamom]

he is covering alot tonite

[gaelicpeas]

I am not going to watch it.

I don't know what Cindy wants from the public.

She needs to figure out that no one owes her anything. And we are tired of being expected to.... I don't know, DO something for her!!

What does she want????

Why won't she just go away?

There is something so wrong with her.
She may not show.. nothing in the previews about her.

[sunstar]

Everybody but CA so far. JMO

He mentioned the attorneys but not Cindy. He's also got a lot of other stories too. :sneaky:

[neid_77]

i don't think i can sit through biazz talking to whole time..i sure hope we get a little of cindy perhaps tommorrow?

[AMS]

Geraldo - lawyers for Casey answer crucial questions on changing venues and jury pool.

NOthing in the intro about a CIndy interview.

Sarah Palin, Blago, super bowl commercials, octuplets....no mentio of Cindy.

[happygert]

sounds like he's got a lot of going on tonight wonder if cindys going to show up...

[?noanswer]

Geraldo - lawyers for Casey answer crucial questions on changing venues and jury pool.

NOthing in the intro about a CIndy interview.

Sarah Palin, Blago, super bowl commercials, octuplets....no mentio of Cindy.

False advertising. Shall we sue? JMO

[happygert]

She may not show.. nothing in the previews about her.

Im betting she dont show......

[Lavenia]

I'm in pain already. Please someone get me a cut man!

[MrsHudson]

I've read A LOT about that case and it is absolutely horrifying. I'd suggest posters check it out.....that mom sure gives Casey Anthony a run for the money. You can google it: the Karissa Boudreau murder in Canada. The mother got life in prison with parole eligibility in 20 years. Maybe 15. Talk about a premeditated murder....and heinous.....mom killed her daughter for love of a boyfriend. :angry:

Very interesting to me how Canada has a far different judicial system than we do. Hardly anything was published about that case until it was over. Details, that is. No leaks, no Sunshine Laws, no nothing.

I think we could learn from that.


IMO.


Seeing as how I am a Texan I feel I ought to warn you that nobody here wants to do anything like they do in Canada. :lol:

[?noanswer]

False advertising. Shall we sue? JMO


Ann Coulter!!! I think I am going to sue!!! JMO

[AMS]

Think she'll be on tomorrow night?

[Remy]

sounds like he's got a lot of going on tonight wonder if cindys going to show up...

Hi Gert:seeya: Would you mind doing a recap for people like me who refuse to pay for Fox?

[SavannahStar]

They don't have the DP either. Ask them how it's working up there. moo In Newfoundland the police don't carry guns. Perhaps you should move there if you think it is so great. IMO

Bolding to address.

No need for snarky, personal comments please. :rolleyes: Did you really have to add that last sentence?

[happygert]

lot of bs on gr........grrrrr eeekkk anne coulter voice like nails on a nasal chalkboard

[?noanswer]

Think she'll be on tomorrow night?


No.......... JMO

[True2Blues]

She may not show.. nothing in the previews about her.


No great loss. Everyone already knows she's lost weight, she only drinks water doesn't eat and Casey is mother of the year.

[Remy]

Seeing as how I am a Texan I feel I ought to warn you that nobody here wants to do anything like they do in Canada. :lol:

Now, now Mrs H, be nice to your neighbours (I put the "u" in there just for you) please.:tonguewag:

[nana2]

OMG Ann Coulter I have an instant headache!! Who reported that Cindy will be on GR?

[Dells]

He mentioned the attorneys but not Cindy. He's also got a lot of other stories too. :sneaky:

Looks like CA is a no show....

[AMS]

If she not on, here's the email to complain.

IMO


This Weekend:
• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview
• E-mail the show: atlarge@foxnews.com

[Lavenia]

lot of bs on gr........grrrrr eeekkk anne coulter voice like nails on a nasal chalkboard

MAMA! She skeers me. :chicken:

[happygert]

Hi Gert:seeya: Would you mind doing a recap for people like me who refuse to pay for Fox?

sure dont Remy........do you just want if cindy or the attorneys show up? or do you want all of the show?

[Lavenia]

If she not on, here's the email to complain.

IMO


This Weekend:
• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview
• E-mail the show: atlarge@foxnews.com

Lets see what did they tell me when I complained before? Yes, "I can watch something else if I don't like it". Nice.

[happygert]

don't forget the "doesn't sleep" part :laugh:

and dont forgot not to ask her any "STUPID QUESTIONS"

[Remy]

sure dont Remy........do you just want if cindy or the attorneys show up? or do you want all of the show?

Just the "spin" please.:wub:

[Lavenia]

I'm from Canada and the feeling is mutual :lol:

Hey, I'm a rouge Texan and I like a lot of what you guys have. A lot. (Mrs. Hudson's just cranky, lol.:tonguewag:)

[MrsHudson]

I agree with your parenting suggestions. I just really doubt that there was much they could do with Casey. She's not your normal diffucult teenager/young adult. I can imagine being overwhelmed by and beaten down by somebody like her.

I can see being exhausted maybe even defeated but not brainwashed by her such that I would not see through her lies and manipulations to the point that I would repeat her lies and think others would/should accept them. That's what G and C did IMO.

[AMS]

Lets see what did they tell me when I complained before? Yes, "I can watch something else if I don't like it". Nice.

OMG - they actually wrote that to you? :angry:


IMO

[happygert]

Just the "spin" please.:wub:

You got it ....not a problem .. whew i can turn anne coulter to mute now.....more politicians coming up now

[KatyDid]

No great loss. Everyone already knows she's lost weight, she only drinks water doesn't eat and Casey is mother of the year.

:laugh: You're right! I was hoping for a body language expert's report tomorrow on her appearance tonight. I may lose out on that one.

[Remy]

Lets see what did they tell me when I complained before? Yes, "I can watch something else if I don't like it". Nice.

Well young lady :lol:you should let me know you were doing them a service so so many people have taken that initiative before that recommendation.

[True2Blues]

don't forget the "doesn't sleep" part :laugh:

I wonder if she still fights insomnia by going outside and pounding stakes in the ground? :rolleyes:

[Gilly]

I'm from Canada and the feeling is mutual :lol:


:thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

OMG - they actually wrote that to you? :angry:


IMO

When I complained about Geraldo saying that Roy Kronk had rape charges against him and Geraldo didn't ever retract the statement, a lot of us wrote to complain. A couple of us got replies. Mine was something to the effect that people make mistakes sometimes and I could always watch something else. :ohmy:

[?noanswer]

So far discussing Rush L. & Obama fued, now onto Blogojevich. Next massive recovery program. I think he will hold the CA lawyers or whomever is going to be on re KC until the last 5 min. Got to hold the audience someway! JMO

[nana2]

my email to fox "Why would you trick us into watching Ann Coulter?? Thats really beyond cruel"

[Remy]

I know.. I'm just being silly :tonguewag:

I like MrsHudson and her cranky posts.. she keeps it REAL around here :smile:

Yes she does:beer:

[happygert]

yep SMART QUESTIONS ONLY and ask them WITHOUT HASTE! :laugh:

Yep..... :lol: ask her what she meant when she told casey she wasn't waiting another day because she already gave her 30 days.....oh please ask her I want to know.......:lol:

[summer4meplz]

:laugh: You're right! I was hoping for a body language expert's report tomorrow on her appearance tonight. I may lose out on that one.

I didn't agree with the "body language expert" that said casey looked depressed and sad....I thought she looked bored....

[floridamom]

So far discussing Rush L. & Obama fued, now onto Blogojevich. Next massive recovery program. I think he will hold the CA lawyers or whomever is going to be on re KC until the last 5 min. Got to hold the audience someway! JMO

This massive recovery program-NOT- is what has driven me to this board. I keeps my mind off how they are pizzing my money away on things that won't help any of us.

[Lavenia]

Well young lady :lol:you should let me know you were doing them a service so so many people have taken that initiative before that recommendation.

MMmmm, Remy. I happened to notice a smiley dude behind the words "young lady". You might want to correct that mistake. :tonguewag:

I'm always here to help Geraldo out. :patriot:

[ConchGirl]

Bolding to address.

No need for snarky, personal comments please. :rolleyes: Did you really have to add that last sentence?

Thank you for noticing that I'm a newfie. :thumbsup:

[MrsHudson]

I'm from Canada and the feeling is mutual :lol:



:patriot::wink:

[happygert]

my email to fox "Why would you trick us into watching Ann Coulter?? Thats really beyond cruel"

Yes it is like nails on a nasal chalkboard.......:glare: now Ben Stein,,,,,,,OMG will this stop....

[Lavenia]

my email to fox "Why would you trick us into watching Ann Coulter?? Thats really beyond cruel"

:laugh::laugh: We're truly a captive audience!

[sunstar]

Ann Coulter!!! I think I am going to sue!!! JMO

I can't stand her. I'm channel flipping until something comes on about Casey. :rolleyes:

[MrsHudson]

Now, now Mrs H, be nice to your neighbours (I put the "u" in there just for you) please.:tonguewag:

Okay. My bad!

Howdy Canada!

[newsjunkie]

Thank you for noticing that I'm a newfie. :thumbsup:


I am Canadian too. Is it true in Newfoundland the police don't carry gun? I find that hard to believe but no one has contradicted it?

[True2Blues]

I can't stand her. I'm channel flipping until something comes on about Casey. :rolleyes:


Now I'm twice as glad I don't watch Geraldo! Double bonus, no Cindy, no Ann Coulter!:thumbsup:

[happygert]

Nothing yet Remy ........Think maybe we were tricked into watching this one?......:lol:

[?noanswer]

This massive recovery program-NOT- is what has driven me to this board. I keeps my mind off how they are pizzing my money away on things that won't help any of us.


The best way to make a massive recovery is to give it back to the taxpayers. We could stimulate the economy and the banks. Could even make those mortgage payments! Also would boost State of Fl Income and help pay for prosecuting KC. Wonder how much of those big wall street bonuses went into the economy. JMO

[floridamom]

The best way to make a massive recovery is to give it back to the taxpayers. We could stimulate the economy and the banks. Could even make those mortgage payments! Also would boost State of Fl Income and help pay for prosecuting KC. JMO

Exactly.................

[MrsHudson]

Im betting she dont show......

She might call in.

[Lavenia]

Nothing yet Remy ........Think maybe we were tricked into watching this one?......:lol:

Where is Lapis and Katprint? I say we get a class action suit together if we had to suffer through this for naught.

[tarabull1]

Now I'm twice as glad I don't watch Geraldo! Double bonus, no Cindy, no Ann Coulter!:thumbsup:

I'm thinking you're three times lucky...No Cindy, No Ann and NO GERALDO! All 3 are painful to watch...

:thumbsup: < If only that lil' guy had three thumbs!

PS I'm Canadian and I especially LOVE Texas!

[Gilly]

Okay. My bad!

Howdy Canada!

Hi MrsHudson :thumbsup: lol

[?noanswer]

Preview of Super Bowl Ads!!! JMO

[Lavenia]

I'm thinking you three times lucky...No Cindy, No Ann and NO GERALDO! All 3 are painful to watch...

:thumbsup: < If only that lil' guy had three thumbs!

PS I'm Canadian and I especially LOVE Texas!

Yay Tarabull and Canada! :wub:

Maybe if Cindy was on this show with Coulter, Geraldo, et al, the network would implode from all the egos present, creating a dark hole from which we would never recover. :scared:

[?noanswer]

Next on GR - woman with 8 babies. Still no Cindy! JMO

[AMS]

Octuplet story up next.

Woman now has 14 kids. :ohmy:

[happygert]

getting ridiculous now going to talk about the lady who had 8 babies who already had 6 under the age of 8

[MrsHudson]

This massive recovery program-NOT- is what has driven me to this board. I keeps my mind off how they are pizzing my money away on things that won't help any of us.

That's why I am here. I am done with politics and watching the news. It will ruin your life watching the news everyday.

It's not normal having the news (90 % of it is always bad) bearing down on your brain every moment. It's bad for your spirits.

[sunstar]

Next on GR - woman with 8 babies. Still no Cindy! JMO

And don't even get me started on that one! :angry: MOO

[floridamom]

Next on GR - woman with 8 babies. Still no Cindy! JMO

That is another strange story! Can't figure out what the heck she is thinking! 14 kids, 3 bedroom house, no job, no husband.

[?noanswer]

getting ridiculous now going to talk about the lady who had 8 babies who already had 6 under the age of 8


I wish someone had told me this was the "Comedy Hour Show". JMO

[shelbar53]

getting ridiculous now going to talk about the lady who had 8 babies who already had 6 under the age of 8

check your PM

Im ready to email geraldo if cindy isnt on. im watching in protest because I dont like cindy or GR...I had to tie myself to my chair and put a gun to my head to force myself to watch

[True2Blues]

Speaking of getting emails back, I sent one to the makers of that disgusting Caylee Sunshine doll, basically telling them that they were sick and Amoral. I got back an enthusiastic email (mass email, I'm sure) telling me all about their "mission", that they were giving away 100% of the profits (and I soooo believe it) and saying if I was from The Center for Missing & Exploited Children they wanted me to contact them (I never intimated I was any such thing and my email address has nothing to do with Missing Children). It also told me to contact them back if I wanted to buy one!

Is there some way to misinterpret words and phrases like Despicable, trying to profit by exploiting a murdered child, Amoral, sick, demented and disgusting?

[tarabull1]

Yay Tarabull and Canada!

Maybe if Cindy was on this show with Coulter, Geraldo, et al, the network would implode from all the egos present, creating a dark hole from which we would never recover.

Hiya Lavenia! :tonguewag:

I was looking (or was that lurking haha) for you earlier - there was some seriously incorrect "quoting" happenin...

==========================

lol yet :cursing:

[Lapis]

Where is Lapis and Katprint? I say we get a class action suit together if we had to suffer through this for naught.

I'm afraid that our addiction to the Casey Anthony case is self inflicted!

[Remy]

Nothing yet Remy ........Think maybe we were tricked into watching this one?......:lol:

After the email Lavenia received from Fox this may be what they have to do get Geraldo viewers :laugh:

[?noanswer]

That is another strange story! Can't figure out what the heck she is thinking! 14 kids, 3 bedroom house, no job, no husband.

The house belongs to her parents. The woman's mother said she is moving out, the dad says he's going back to Iraq to work. I think she was sorta like KC, thinking this is going to make her famous. JMO

[AMS]

Vermont...New Hampshire...he just babbles.

Still no cindy. My guess is Conway found out about the interview.

IMO.

[ttcRider]

Okay. My bad!

Howdy Canada!

:beer: hey!

[n/t]

I've read A LOT about that case and it is absolutely horrifying. I'd suggest posters check it out.....that mom sure gives Casey Anthony a run for the money. You can google it: the Karissa Boudreau murder in Canada. The mother got life in prison with parole eligibility in 20 years. Maybe 15. Talk about a premeditated murder....and heinous.....mom killed her daughter for love of a boyfriend. :angry:

Very interesting to me how Canada has a far different judicial system than we do. Hardly anything was published about that case until it was over. Details, that is. No leaks, no Sunshine Laws, no nothing.

I think we could learn from that.

IMO.

20 years with no parole. Boyfriend told her to choose between him or her daughter. She murdered her daughter to keep her boyfriend.

I wish we had the DP. I'm guessing Penny is in her late 40's. She'll be in her 60's when she's released. It's sickening.

Here are links

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1235180

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=324295&page=10

[happygert]

That's why I am here. I am done with politics and watching the news. It will ruin your life watching the news everyday.

It's not normal having the news (90 % of it is always bad) bearing down on your brain every moment. It's bad for your spirits.


I think he's stalling because they aren't going to show....

[MrsHudson]

I'm thinking you're three times lucky...No Cindy, No Ann and NO GERALDO! All 3 are painful to watch...

:thumbsup: < If only that lil' guy had three thumbs!

PS I'm Canadian and I especially LOVE Texas!

Awe you love Texas???!!!

Well now you can say you have a friend in Texas! :wub:

[Brattnt]

Nothing yet Remy ........Think maybe we were tricked into watching this one?......:lol:

Howdy HG!...I am wondering if it will be tomorrow night instead, since the teaser says This Weekend....:cuss:

JMO

[True2Blues]

check your PM

Im ready to email geraldo if cindy isnt on. im watching in protest because I dont like cindy or GR...I had to tie myself to my chair and put a gun to my head to force myself to watch

I wouldn't watch even then! LOL I haven't got your determination.

[Lavenia]

I'm afraid that our addiction to the Casey Anthony case is self inflicted!

But Geraldo represented he would have a person of interest in this case on his show and it doesn't appear it will happen. It seems to me that he is purposefully inflicting pain on us who NEED our fix. He is cruelly taunting us, the weak. I want $$$$ now. :thumbsup:

[?noanswer]

Half a million dollars to keep babies in hospital until they are ready to go home. Family talking to publicist, need 2 million for story. HA Ha, talking about babies and showed a picture of JB & KC from court yesterday. JMO

[True2Blues]

That is another strange story! Can't figure out what the heck she is thinking! 14 kids, 3 bedroom house, no job, no husband.

She was thinking sponsorship and TV appearances, I imagine. She should be thoroughly investigated.

[Lavenia]

:beer: hey!

Hey ttcRider! :seeya: Long time, no see. Any good thoughts on the case since I last "saw" you?

[happygert]

ok talking about casey now baez`and lkb is on dont see cindy

[playnice]

Half a million dollars to keep babies in hospital until they are ready to go home. Family talking to publicist, need 2 million for story. HA Ha, talking about babies and showed a picture of JB & KC from court yesterday. JMO

The things people do for money. Wonder what she will do with the babies after she gets rich off them?
I hope this doesnt end up another story like Caylees.

[AMS]

Ok Casey info -

Jose and Linda KB on. Ugh!

[tarabull1]

HOWDY from the HAT! :laugh:

http://quintesant.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/canada_hat.jpg

Hey KnC...i gotta be honest - you kinda wigged me out for a minute...
I am truly in The Hat. (It's a small world afterall - you know...LOL)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicine_Hat

SNIPPED...Medicine Hat, known to locals as "The Hat", is a city of 60,000 people located in the southeastern part of the province of Alberta, Canada.

ps GERALDO IS FINALLY MENTIONING CASEY - NOTICE: NOT CAYLEE - STILL HASN'T MENTIONED CAYLEE'S NAME YET.

[floridamom]

oh nooooo its LKB!

[Lavenia]

"High powered defense team" :laugh:

[sunstar]

Well, finally!!! Baez and LKB are on live from Orlando. Geraldo admitted Casey's most likely guilty. :scared:

[MrsHudson]

HOWDY from the HAT! :laugh:

http://quintesant.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/canada_hat.jpg

Ah love the hat! That's so clever!

Maybe gert is right. Cindy might have backed out. Just as well if you ask me.

[True2Blues]

But Geraldo represented he would have a person of interest in this case on his show and it doesn't appear it will happen. It seems to me that he is purposefully inflicting pain on us who NEED our fix. He is cruelly taunting us, the weak. I want $$$$ now. :thumbsup:


If you can find a way to get paid for watching him let me know. That's the only way I'd consider it and even then I'd have to have the laptop on.

[need2no]

Baez and LKB on Geraldo now. :sneaky:

Where's my PEPTO ????

[AMS]

Geraldo saying Casey's demeanor was playing badly. Smiling and smirking.

Baez said she was smiling at her attorneys.

Linda - we want her to have emotion with us. The big smile was for Linda. Linda had just met Casey the day before.

IMO

[newsjunkie]

How about some crying emotion?

[happygert]

talking about casey's behavior because of her smiling baez what she seen us... LKB say she should smile at us... the big smile was for me says LKB..

[True2Blues]

oh nooooo its LKB!

Bonus number 4! No Geraldo, no Coulter, no Cindy, no LKB! I'm on a winning streak tonight. :laugh:

[AMS]

Baez - Everyone in Orlando knows who Casey is...knows who he is...knows who Linda is...knows every fact of the case. Won't say where he wants new venue so media won't hop over to that area and start spreading stories.

[happygert]

Where are you going to go if you get a cov ...everyone in orlando knows who I am who LKB is who casey is.. We got our news from people mag ....just like the duct tape ... ...

[AMS]

Linda KB - got their recent discovery from People magazine...the info on the duct tape.

[sunstar]

Baez still won't reveal where he wants COV to be. Geraldo suggested Miami (?). LKB talking about media leaks about the evidence.


Commercial break ~ and that seems to be all about Casey for tonight. :mad:

[?noanswer]

Now talking about KC - JB & LKB

GR says demeamnor inapproiate. JB whiny "whats she supposed to be." Ridiculous notion

LKB says would be ridiculous if she didn't smile for atty. Just met her day before. If smile, don't smile - can't win.

Where go for COV where they don't feel the same.

Looking for place for lessor chance not tainted by coverage. Police have chosen to leak. Location where less people have been exposed. Won't get into specific location. Media will go. If leaked won't be by defense.

LKB - Most recent discovery from People Magazine. 2nd to receive leaks. What is leaked tainted toward police.

As trial lawyers have to lay a record thruout case.

JMO

[101Spots]

Geraldo saying Casey's demeanor was playing badly. Smiling and smirking.

Baez said she was smiling at her attorneys.

Linda - we want her to have emotion with us.

IMO
barfbarfbarf

[happygert]

what we waited for that crap no cindy....spinning same old BS everything is tainted .....OMG give it up the witch is GUILTY!!!

[Lavenia]

Well la-de-frickin'-DA! I wasted 45 minutes of my life for THAT? I want my money back!

[tarabull1]

Awe you love Texas???!!!

Well now you can say you have a friend in Texas!

Hiya Mrs Hudson, YES it's true I DO I DO I DO love love love TEXAS!

I gotta tell you the coolest thing is one of my better friends here in Canada is also named Mrs Hudson ;)

One of my most favorite things to ask: WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT!!!????

Now I have 2 friends named Mrs Hudson!!!

:blushing: :loveeyes: