Jan 31 Pt I

[Shellberry]

Wondering if anyone here will attend the public memorial service for Caylee?
I want to, and I'm about 99% sure I can unless other half gets called out to work before then.
If anyone else plans on attending-can this be the 'official' post?
Or can someone make one?

I'd like to 'mourn' with fellow friends.
I am coming from Tampa area, so if someone needs a ride between here and there-I can pick you up or something.
I do not know the area, I will be going by mapquest, so....

[Manderley]

I'm hoping to go too, also from the Tampa area. Depends on the work situation.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. It appears the first notice of the public memorial held at the Baptist church on 2/10 was premature. The latest is there has been no date set. Link courtesy of Destini:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-funeral,0,4277267.story

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

[ellegna]

When memorial service isn't a memorial: Caylee story takes twists (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-hearing-013009,0,6545661.story)


Spokesman for Casey Anthony's attorney defends 'professional name' (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-defense-spokesman-speaks-0130,0,7639834.story)


Questions in civil case against Casey Anthony released (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8332829&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)


What Casey Anthony's Body Language Means (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/30/what_anthony39s_body_language_means.html)


(http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/30/what_anthony39s_body_language_means.html)

[ellegna]

Good morning everyone. It appears the first notice of the public memorial held at the Baptist church on 2/10 was premature. The latest is there has been no date set. Link courtesy of Destini:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-funeral,0,4277267.story


This is so sad :crying:
Motion filed for this. Motion filed for that but it's a darn shame no one has filed a motion to release Caylee's remains for burial

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning Ell. I still think it's casey anthony playing control games and not allowing cynthia and george to honor Caylee.

BTW, did Judge Strickland ever rule on the TES matter yesterday?

[n/t]

Good Morning,

I'm so happy all the ridiculous motions were denied except access to the crime scene one. I thought they already had access to the crime scene...why did he wait this long to file a motion?

It cracked me up to hear that the defense has the same witness list as the prosecution....ex Zenaida Gonzales of course. I pictured Mr. Baez using whitener to remove Zenaida Gonzales from the prosecution list and then making a photocopy and submitting it. :laugh:

I think it's quite telling that they don't have their own list. These witnesses would be under cross examination at trial, right? So what's the point? Just to show they have some list? :huh:

[n/t]

Morning Ell. I still think it's casey anthony playing control games and not allowing cynthia and george to honor Caylee.

BTW, did Judge Strickland ever rule on the TES matter yesterday?

YES!! DENIED!! :thumbsup:

[AMS]

Morning Ell. I still think it's casey anthony playing control games and not allowing cynthia and george to honor Caylee.

BTW, did Judge Strickland ever rule on the TES matter yesterday?

Good morning - yes he did rule on TES. He denied Baez' motion. :thumbsup:

[AMS]

Good morning - yes he did rule on TES. He denied Baez' motion. :thumbsup:

Sorry - here's a link o' fellow Cardinal fan!

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/30/casey_anthony_ready_to_face_court.html

[n/t]

On NG last night they talked about the second autopsy again. I thought it was already done. What the heck is going on? Also, does anyone have a link of the defense witness list. Are all the forensic experts on there....like Dr. K, Dr. Lee, etc?

[Regina.Lampert]

Sorry - here's a link o' fellow Cardinal fan!

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/30/casey_anthony_ready_to_face_court.html

Whoo Hoo, excellent news sister Cardinal Fan!!!

Yesterday tho, I was disheartened to hear one of the talking heads theorize that once the defense team goes back to the woods crimescene, it would be possible for them to grab any ole discarded item, say a beverage can, get prints or dna off of it and then attempt to say it belonged to the REAL KILLER. Anything to place a doubt in one juror's mind. Sad, but that's what our system of justice has been reduced to, imo.

Hiya n/t!!! :seeya:

[ellegna]

Morning Ell. I still think it's casey anthony playing control games and not allowing cynthia and george to honor Caylee.

BTW, did Judge Strickland ever rule on the TES matter yesterday?

Morning Scamp :seeya:

I believe Casey is playing control games too. That is why I'm surprised Conway has not made a motion on behalf of G&C to release Caylee to them. What's the worst that can happen? Judge denies. Then again....
Judge Strickland may feel this has gone on long enough. If the defense can't come up with a good explanation why Caylee should not be buried, may rule in favor of G&C. Just wish someone would stand up for Caylee. :crying:

[n/t]

Whoo Hoo, excellent news sister Cardinal Fan!!!

Yesterday tho, I was disheartened to hear one of the talking heads theorize that once the defense team goes back to the woods crimescene, it would be possible for them to grab any ole discarded item, say a beverage can, get prints or dna off of it and then attempt to say it belonged to the REAL KILLER. Anything to place a doubt in one juror's mind. Sad, but that's what our system of justice has been reduced to, imo.

Hiya n/t!!! :seeya:


Hiya!! :seeya:

They had one caller on HLN yesterday who was convinced Casey was not guilty and she claimed she watched all the coverage since the story broke. IIRC she said someone else murdered Caylee. That should make the defense happy.:unsure:

[Danette44]

Whoo Hoo, excellent news sister Cardinal Fan!!!

Yesterday tho, I was disheartened to hear one of the talking heads theorize that once the defense team goes back to the woods crimescene, it would be possible for them to grab any ole discarded item, say a beverage can, get prints or dna off of it and then attempt to say it belonged to the REAL KILLER. Anything to place a doubt in one juror's mind. Sad, but that's what our system of justice has been reduced to, imo.

Hiya n/t!!! :seeya:

I worry about that also - Dr Lee already claims to of found more hair that LE missed......I sure wish I lived close by I would go with a video camera and keep it on Dr. Lee's hands at all times, oh his jacket pockets.....those were good for carrying around tubes of blood on the OJ case. lol I don't trust them and I wish that there was some way LE would beable to discredit him, that Judge in the PS case did.....I pray justice for Caylee....

BTW - Good Morning everyone

[ellegna]

I would think that if there was going to be a Court battle over the remains, it would be filed in Surrogate Court, not with Judge Strickland. And I don't think that the Anthony's would have a leg to stand on since Casey has not been convicted of any crime at this point.


Oh Darn. That makes sense Thanks

[n/t]

I don't get that, either. Unless there is some quirky Florida rule involved somewhere or if he has some strategy that we are just not seeing, I don't see what the purpose of using the same witnesses as the State. That just doesn't make any sense.

This is what was said on NG last night regarding the witness list:

Is that why they`re not in court? But on to a different note. I want to go back to Jean Casarez regarding the motions today. I`ve got the defense witness list right here. His whole witness list is taken from the state`s witness list, plus two other people. He doesn`t even include the entomologist that he refers to when he`s arguing to the judge.

JEAN CASAREZ, IN SESSION: Right. Well, I have been studying a little bit and first of all they leave out a very important state`s witness list. They leave out Zenaida Gonzalez, she`s not on the witness list. But in court today we heard that their botanist wants to go out to the scene and furthermore there`s not a botanist on the witness list.

I think it`s all strategy here, Nancy. Because if someone is not on your witness list you`re saying you`re not going to call them in your trial. And here in Florida, attorneys can depose witnesses ahead of time. And so if a person`s name is not on the witness list, then the state attorney`s office would not depose them, correct?

GRACE: Agreed. Back to Marc Klaas, president and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation, Marc, during your daughter`s murder`s trial, Marc Klaas` daughter was murdered, you couldn`t be dragged away, why did the family not show up?
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/30/ng.01.html

[mags]

I don't get that, either. Unless there is some quirky Florida rule involved somewhere or if he has some strategy that we are just not seeing, I don't see what the purpose of using the same witnesses as the State. That just doesn't make any sense.

With cross examination I thought you were only allowed to address what was asked by say the prosecution. I could be wrong on that. Although, you would think he would still have some witnesses of his own. JMO

[Danette44]

Hiya!! :seeya:

They had one caller on HLN yesterday who was convinced Casey was not guilty and she claimed she watched all the coverage since the story broke. IIRC she said someone else murdered Caylee. That should make the defense happy.:unsure:

GM n/t - I heard that caller and really how could that make sense when you claim you dropped your daughter off at a stairwell and went to a make believe job and get off and go pick up your daughter and she isn't there. Then out partying because she knows the babysitter has Caylee so thats an excuse not to let anyone know that she hadn't seen her daugther in 31 days? Like TonE said.......I'm your boyfriend why didn't you tell me? Guess it was alright to enjoy yourself so much that Casey even had to steal checks because she was desparent to what, to buy food, beer, clothes. Also that caller fail to realize NOT one person could verify a Nanny....not even Casey.....no phone number, no text messages, no nothing. I guess I mite not be normal if that scenario doesn't click with me. Unbelieveable.......moo

[Pruddennce]

what I found ridiculous was Conway. He could have a filed a piece of paper claiming the Anthonys have no conflict of interest with NeJames. in fact, why would he need to elocute personally since there is no conflict?

the audacity of him telling the judge what he HOPES he will do with regard to timeliness. and blah blah blah about the anthonys 'wanting' to be there. what?

I dont get it.

why is this nonsense being tolerated.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Danette44]

what I found ridiculous was Conway. He could have a filed a piece of paper claiming the Anthonys have no conflict of interest with NeJames. in fact, why would he need to elocute personally since there is no conflict?

the audacity of him telling the judge what he HOPES he will do with regard to timeliness. and blah blah blah about the anthonys 'wanting' to be there. what?

I dont get it.

why is this nonsense being tolerated.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

No it doesn't, but did anyone catch the comment that Cindy was suppose to of said about her and casey wanting the list of names also??

[msgatorslayer]

Hiya!! :seeya:

They had one caller on HLN yesterday who was convinced Casey was not guilty and she claimed she watched all the coverage since the story broke. IIRC she said someone else murdered Caylee. That should make the defense happy.:unsure:

G'morning!

Theres at least one in every case. A defense dream. To get one of them on the jury.

[Regina.Lampert]

what I found ridiculous was Conway. He could have a filed a piece of paper claiming the Anthonys have no conflict of interest with NeJames. in fact, why would he need to elocute personally since there is no conflict?

the audacity of him telling the judge what he HOPES he will do with regard to timeliness. and blah blah blah about the anthonys 'wanting' to be there. what?

I dont get it.

why is this nonsense being tolerated.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

It was conway's method of getting in his little message from the anthony's to casey anthony that mommy and daddy still support her and because Judge Strickland is a nice guy and is allowing it.

Regarding baez putting all the prosecution witnesses on his list, this enables him to question every single last one of them BEFORE trial. Now whether or not he will comprehend what they say is an entirely different matter, because I think he has a problem in that department.

[bchand]

what I found ridiculous was Conway. He could have a filed a piece of paper claiming the Anthonys have no conflict of interest with NeJames. in fact, why would he need to elocute personally since there is no conflict?

the audacity of him telling the judge what he HOPES he will do with regard to timeliness. and blah blah blah about the anthonys 'wanting' to be there. what?

I dont get it.

why is this nonsense being tolerated.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Morning Pru - did you know that Conway actually ran for Orange County Judge this past summer? Maybe he feels this gives him some credence to tell Judge Strickland how to do his job?

[msgatorslayer]

Whoo Hoo, excellent news sister Cardinal Fan!!!

Yesterday tho, I was disheartened to hear one of the talking heads theorize that once the defense team goes back to the woods crimescene, it would be possible for them to grab any ole discarded item, say a beverage can, get prints or dna off of it and then attempt to say it belonged to the REAL KILLER. Anything to place a doubt in one juror's mind. Sad, but that's what our system of justice has been reduced to, imo.

Hiya n/t!!! :seeya:

They won't have a leg to stand on. IMO, sure, they'll try. But they'll fail, miserably.

I'm confident that LE took extensive pictures and video footage of the whole area which will prove whatever the defense tries using as their 'smoking gun' was not there on the day Caylee's remains were found.

[Pruddennce]

Morning Pru - did you know that Conway actually ran for Orange County Judge this past summer? Maybe he feels this gives him some credence to tell Judge Strickland how to do his job?

bchand, no I didnt know that. guess he feels that's his pass card.

Im hoping Judge S slaps down this nonsense goinig forward. I could not believe he wasted 2 minutes of the court's time. how belligerent.

well, it was laughable as they all laughed, but this isnt a laughing manner. It would have been nice of Judge S to say, are you representing Ms Anthony? if not, you are in the wrong courtroom, with regard to podium priviledges. Go file your piece of paper.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[trich]

[color=blue]. Sad, but that's what our system of justice has been reduced to, imo.


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Yes thanks to the likes of Henry Lee....hiding evidence or creating evidence that was false.
I will never understand why anyone would trust a thing he said...he even admits he jacks up his accent when he feels it is necessary.
He is all about falsehoods IMO.


But I would hope the LE has pictures of before and after the area where the body was found along with other evidence they collected.
Not to mention anything found now would certainly be suspicious.

[marshmallow]

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Yes thanks to the likes of Henry Lee....hiding evidence or creating evidence that was false.
I will never understand why anyone would trust a thing he said...he even admits he jacks up his accent when he feels it is necessary.
He is all about falsehoods IMO.


But I would hope the LE has pictures of before and after the area where the body was found along with other evidence they collected.
Not to mention anything found now would certainly be suspicious.



if some "evidence" shows up only whne the defense goes there can the prosecution point out H. Lee's past history of magical evidence and sleight of hand?

[marshmallow]

I'm full of questions this morning.

can the defense add more people to their list at any point before court. For example, once they've deposed the States list can the defense then suddenly come up with a new list to use to go against the State's list?

[trich]

I have a couple details that keep bothering me... and I keep revisiting them and they both center around George

The first one is George saying he saw Casey/Caylee on the 16th as they left the house..

and the other one is

Georges crazy story about how he chased after Casey when he saw her driving Cindys car but she lost him.

Yet the police say he isn't recorded as being where he says he was!...

I think he is lying about both... but WHY?

I think i know why he lied about seeing them on the 16th but i can't figure out why he would lie about chasing Casey in Cindys car??

Where was Cindy when Casey was supposedly zooming around town in her car?

:confused:


IMO if I give him the benefit of the doubt which I am not so inclined at this point,....I think he is just mistaken on the day he saw them leave , with th eclothes he described(which is ridiculous imo).
But my gut tells me he is just trying to cover for the big fight Cindy and
Casey had the night of the 15th .. knowing that is when Caylee was killed.
As for the car chase I am confused about it and if it even happened.
I don't think I/we know why, or if it even happened and another question is if she took off in Cindy's car how did they get the car back and was Casey's left at the house.....what is the rest of the story?

[trich]

if some "evidence" shows up only whne the defense goes there can the prosecution point out H. Lee's past history of magical evidence and sleight of hand?

I would certainly hope so!


We did hear about some different hair that supposedly turned up according to Lee when he "looked" in the trunk of the car.
(I just remembered that) Wonder if that has been dealt with or they proved it was his hair or something like that.
Has anyone heard more about that incident?

[msgatorslayer]

I wish Caylee's remains would stop being held in limbo. How does the church accidentally release an official public memorial date, the wrong date, cause there is no date?:confused:

[kellabeck]

Did you watch JVM last night? Anyone else agree that the medical examiner Bill Manion who opined ludicrous scenarios that were pro-defense appeared to be angling for jobs from defense attorneys?

He suggested that since the location was "searched" while Casey was in jail, that meant that an accomplice could have dumped Caylee's body there.

He also said, "Different plants will feed off decomposed bodies more successfully" in response to Jane's question about the relevance of plant growth today. That was a head-scratcher to me.

He also said the defense may bring in cadaver dogs to search for OTHER bodies there. And there's no evidence of child abuse in this case, he said.

Reminded about the searches for neck=breaking and chloroform, he said, "Chloroform can be used to anesthetize a child so parents can go out to a party. This may have been an accidental overdose and she panicked."

He favored the defense's motion to get the TES records. And about Jesse Grund-- "Did Casey say she wanted the father to start paying alimony? [sic]" The ME has legal opinions!

EVERYTHING he said --- E V E R Y T H I N G -- was slanted towards the defense. What is his agenda?? Freelance work from the defense bar, I say.

PEH!

[summer4meplz]

I worry about that also - Dr Lee already claims to of found more hair that LE missed......I sure wish I lived close by I would go with a video camera and keep it on Dr. Lee's hands at all times, oh his jacket pockets.....those were good for carrying around tubes of blood on the OJ case. lol I don't trust them and I wish that there was some way LE would beable to discredit him, that Judge in the PS case did.....I pray justice for Caylee....

BTW - Good Morning everyone


good morning everyone! I am so curious as to whose hairs dr,. lee "found"....

[summer4meplz]

what I found ridiculous was Conway. He could have a filed a piece of paper claiming the Anthonys have no conflict of interest with NeJames. in fact, why would he need to elocute personally since there is no conflict?

the audacity of him telling the judge what he HOPES he will do with regard to timeliness. and blah blah blah about the anthonys 'wanting' to be there. what?

I dont get it.

why is this nonsense being tolerated.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


ITA...and to top it off he was late!

[bchand]

Did you watch JVM last night? Anyone else agree that the medical examiner Bill Manion who opined ludicrous scenarios that were pro-defense appeared to be angling for jobs from defense attorneys?

<<snipped as per CW>>

EVERYTHING he said --- E V E R Y T H I N G -- was slanted towards the defense. What is his agenda?? Freelance work from the defense bar, I say.

PEH!

Of course kellabeck - just look at his ad for his "expert services."

http://expertpages.com/details.php/4280_4391_578_121.htm


If I can be of service to help you evaluate the merits or defense of a case, I would be happy to speak with you. I can also provide letters of explanation as an expert witness as to why I believe that there is no particular merit to a case.

You apparently can "buy" anything nowadays if you have the $$$.

[Neffy]

It was conway's method of getting in his little message from the anthony's to casey anthony that mommy and daddy still support her and because Judge Strickland is a nice guy and is allowing it.

Regarding baez putting all the prosecution witnesses on his list, this enables him to question every single last one of them BEFORE trial. Now whether or not he will comprehend what they say is an entirely different matter, because I think he has a problem in that department.

:seeya:

I brought this over from yesterday's thread I'd posted as Conway seems to have been working on another message from the Anthony's to Casey.

At the very end like a minute left 47:17 mark, Conway finishes talking to the Judge and as he's leaving he says something to Baez and Baez says he'll ask her. Then he whispers something to Casey and she nods her head yes.

Looks like Baez, LKB are talking to the jail bailiffs/security making arrangments to meet up with Casey.

Wonder what that's about.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18603796/index.html

[Lilly12]

Did you watch JVM last night? Anyone else agree that the medical examiner Bill Manion who opined ludicrous scenarios that were pro-defense appeared to be angling for jobs from defense attorneys?

He suggested that since the location was "searched" while Casey was in jail, that meant that an accomplice could have dumped Caylee's body there.

He also said, "Different plants will feed off decomposed bodies more successfully" in response to Jane's question about the relevance of plant growth today. That was a head-scratcher to me.

He also said the defense may bring in cadaver dogs to search for OTHER bodies there. And there's no evidence of child abuse in this case, he said.

Reminded about the searches for neck=breaking and chloroform, he said, "Chloroform can be used to anesthetize a child so parents can go out to a party. This may have been an accidental overdose and she panicked."

He favored the defense's motion to get the TES records. And about Jesse Grund-- "Did Casey say she wanted the father to start paying alimony? [sic]" The ME has legal opinions!

EVERYTHING he said --- E V E R Y T H I N G -- was slanted towards the defense. What is his agenda?? Freelance work from the defense bar, I say.

PEH!

I saw that........ And at the end JVM said she has (or was it beginning to have) resonable doubt....... Did I hear correctly?

[FrankieBones1]

Not even if I lived next door. Folks know my feelings on this one. This memorial deserves to be private. Like Laci and Danielle VD - it will probably be on the tele anyway.

I think the funeral should be private but a memorial service should be opened for the world. For the ones that never knew Caylee but loved her more than her own monster mother did.

If I lived closer I'd be happy to attend a memorial service for Caylee.

[Pruddennce]

IMO if I give him the benefit of the doubt which I am not so inclined at this point,....I think he is just mistaken on the day he saw them leave , with th eclothes he described(which is ridiculous imo).
But my gut tells me he is just trying to cover for the big fight Cindy and
Casey had the night of the 15th .. knowing that is when Caylee was killed.
As for the car chase I am confused about it and if it even happened.
I don't think I/we know why, or if it even happened and another question is if she took off in Cindy's car how did they get the car back and was Casey's left at the house.....what is the rest of the story?

that has always bothered me as well....the so-called car chase, however, the ez pass records do not show Cindy's car passing thru a toll on the date or dates he mentioned.

and why did he bring it up to begin with? and cindy denied it.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Neffy]

Did you watch JVM last night? Anyone else agree that the medical examiner Bill Manion who opined ludicrous scenarios that were pro-defense appeared to be angling for jobs from defense attorneys?

He suggested that since the location was "searched" while Casey was in jail, that meant that an accomplice could have dumped Caylee's body there.

He also said, "Different plants will feed off decomposed bodies more successfully" in response to Jane's question about the relevance of plant growth today. That was a head-scratcher to me.

He also said the defense may bring in cadaver dogs to search for OTHER bodies there. And there's no evidence of child abuse in this case, he said.

Reminded about the searches for neck=breaking and chloroform, he said, "Chloroform can be used to anesthetize a child so parents can go out to a party. This may have been an accidental overdose and she panicked."

He favored the defense's motion to get the TES records. And about Jesse Grund-- "Did Casey say she wanted the father to start paying alimony? [sic]" The ME has legal opinions!

EVERYTHING he said --- E V E R Y T H I N G -- was slanted towards the defense. What is his agenda?? Freelance work from the defense bar, I say.

PEH!

The whole thing was laughable. I quit watching after the part about "other bodies" being there. Yep, dumping ground. Gimme a break!

Oh geez, I wonder if that meant animals to aka pet cemetary. I didn't take it like that when I was listening though.

[gaelicpeas]

that has always bothered me as well....the so-called car chase, however, the ez pass records do not show Cindy's car passing thru a toll on the date or dates he mentioned.

and why did he bring it up to begin with? and cindy denied it.

IMO

best regards,
PruI agree this is a very strange story. And in one interview, George says that Cindy knew Casey had her car. Was Cindy driving Casey's car then? It is all very bizarre, IMO.

(I can't remember which interview George said Cindy knew, so I will just have to say IMO)

[kitty1182]

good morning everyone! I am so curious as to whose hairs dr,. lee "found"....

They were probally some he plucked off a wig..imo

[IM4Truth]

that has always bothered me as well....the so-called car chase, however, the ez pass records do not show Cindy's car passing thru a toll on the date or dates he mentioned.

and why did he bring it up to begin with? and cindy denied it.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Did Casey's E-Z pass show a record or did she blow the toll? (in which case there would be a photo of her tag & be charged anyway or a notice sent regarding it). Maybe George didn't have his transponder in his car and he paid the toll? Just suggesting that it could have happened, though it is all very confusing. Cindy denying it means zip to me.

I'm still fuming over the bracelet in the sock trick yesterday. Jose has already been warned twice about the rules at the jail. He should have been very well aware of this one too. And to think he is teaching students at FAMU about pre-trial hearings or something like that?

Can't stay today, have to go out though it is only 50 degrees with 16 mph winds! Only reaching 64 today! brrr brr brr

[Regina.Lampert]

Hiya Neffy!! I know what you mean, I thought yesterday that baez was attempting to get conway in to see casey anthony. That we see some movement on the memorial front is not coincidence, imo.

I still think there is a fracture in the relationship between the OC and her parents.

[read-in]

Good morning all:smile:
I watched JVM last night as well, left a bad taste in my mouth.
I guess the defence really appreciated his expert opinion in this matter.
However, if I was a Juror, i sure would not be buying any of that..

[Neffy]

I agree this is a very strange story. And in one interview, George says that Cindy knew Casey had her car. Was Cindy driving Casey's car then? It is all very bizarre, IMO.

(I can't remember which interview George said Cindy knew, so I will just have to say IMO)


George's car chase story came out after the interviewer made some remark to George as to why he held back and didn't do certain things or confront Casey on certain things. George's response was Cindy usually held him back and that she would handle it as George WASN'T LE anymore. Personally now that we know it isn't true well the ezpass thing anyways I wonder if he made it up as well when Cindy's not around I do handle things.

Cindy may have lied about the car also. The truth and this whole family are strangers so figuring this out you always have to wait for something else to corroborate it.

[nana6]

Hiya!! :seeya:

They had one caller on HLN yesterday who was convinced Casey was not guilty and she claimed she watched all the coverage since the story broke. IIRC she said someone else murdered Caylee. That should make the defense happy.:unsure:

I wonder if she was from the Land of Oz????

[kitty1182]

I wonder if she was from the Land of Oz????

She must have been..
Let's say she did not kill her, then where are the tears, the heartache, the sadness? I wished I could have asked that caller that..:mad:

[Neffy]

Hiya Neffy!! I know what you mean, I thought yesterday that baez was attempting to get conway in to see casey anthony. That we see some movement on the memorial front is not coincidence, imo.

I still think there is a fracture in the relationship between the OC and her parents.

I had my speakers on full blast with my ear next to them, then I tried to see if I could lip read anything, played it back a few times to see If I could pick anything else up from the rest of the people around. ROFLMAO! Being in that last minute I'd missed it the first time I'd watched it. Yep they are some cool, calm and collected characters allright.

[WillowInFlight]

I wonder if she was from the Land of Oz????

Probably the same person who keeps adding money to her jail account.:rolleyes:

[nc1948]

Morning Scamp :seeya:

I believe Casey is playing control games too. That is why I'm surprised Conway has not made a motion on behalf of G&C to release Caylee to them. What's the worst that can happen? Judge denies. Then again....
Judge Strickland may feel this has gone on long enough. If the defense can't come up with a good explanation why Caylee should not be buried, may rule in favor of G&C. Just wish someone would stand up for Caylee. :crying:

No one in the House of Anthony has ever stood up for Caylee. Such a shame.

[nc1948]

I would think that if there was going to be a Court battle over the remains, it would be filed in Surrogate Court, not with Judge Strickland. And I don't think that the Anthony's would have a leg to stand on since Casey has not been convicted of any crime at this point.

I think Baez has convinced Casey he will get her off, so she is holding onto the body so she can attend the services in person when she is released. I actually heard a caller onHLN state that she was innocent. First person I have heard say that. Bet Baez recorded it and if he still is allowed his laptop in visitis with Casey he played it over and over and over again.

[CelticDawn]

Did you watch JVM last night? Anyone else agree that the medical examiner Bill Manion who opined ludicrous scenarios that were pro-defense appeared to be angling for jobs from defense attorneys?

He suggested that since the location was "searched" while Casey was in jail, that meant that an accomplice could have dumped Caylee's body there.

He also said, "Different plants will feed off decomposed bodies more successfully" in response to Jane's question about the relevance of plant growth today. That was a head-scratcher to me.

He also said the defense may bring in cadaver dogs to search for OTHER bodies there. And there's no evidence of child abuse in this case, he said.

Reminded about the searches for neck=breaking and chloroform, he said, "Chloroform can be used to anesthetize a child so parents can go out to a party. This may have been an accidental overdose and she panicked."

He favored the defense's motion to get the TES records. And about Jesse Grund-- "Did Casey say she wanted the father to start paying alimony? [sic]" The ME has legal opinions!

EVERYTHING he said --- E V E R Y T H I N G -- was slanted towards the defense. What is his agenda?? Freelance work from the defense bar, I say.

PEH!

This one is obviously a little touched in the head IMO


Or else his tin foil hat got holes in it and alien terrorists from Zantar are performing some kind of evil mind control.


Good morning.


COME ON!!! a DUMPING GROUND????...Yeah sure....and NO one from FBI/OCSD/ ever found ONE HINT of another body in all of that time they were recovering Caylees remains?

As for the plants...and the TES issue both, they are trying desperately to put that seed of accomplice or any other SODDI theory out there to fly in the wind and see how many flies get caught in it.


THAT was SILLY!!!

[WillowInFlight]

I think Baez has convinced Casey he will get her off, so she is holding onto the body so she can attend the services in person when she is released. I actually heard a caller onHLN state that she was innocent. First person I have heard say that. Bet Baez recorded it and if he still is allowed his laptop in visitis with Casey he played it over and over and over again.

ITA with the part that Baez has her convinced that he is going get her off. I can't wait to see if her attitude changes when this goes to trial and they really get into the nitty gritty of the case.

[Pruddennce]

I agree this is a very strange story. And in one interview, George says that Cindy knew Casey had her car. Was Cindy driving Casey's car then? It is all very bizarre, IMO.

(I can't remember which interview George said Cindy knew, so I will just have to say IMO)

that's what George claimed "he went looking for his daughter'....its all such a strange account and he infers he turned to Cindy and said "Im following her".....he wasnt sure of the date, and LE is trying to pin that date down (the 23rd thru the 27th)

starting at page 17....then more later on in that doc again.

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20aug4.pdf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[CelticDawn]

She must have been..
Let's say she did not kill her, then where are the tears, the heartache, the sadness? I wished I could have asked that caller that..:mad:

Let me tell you....
I think she killed her.

I am close to several people in LE and THEY think she killed her....and they know things that I dont...and dont want to know...


I still keep my mind open....and IF she didnt do it....SHE is Still very relieved....no more responsibility.....


There is such a thing as original and pure evil....and IMO if she didnt do this shes still pure evil.

[Neffy]

Let me tell you....
I think she killed her.

I am close to several people in LE and THEY think she killed her....and they know things that I dont...and dont want to know...


I still keep my mind open....and IF she didnt do it....SHE is Still very relieved....no more responsibility.....


There is such a thing as original and pure evil....and IMO if she didnt do this shes still pure evil.

She has more important things on her mind right now as to how she
"looks" in court. Amazing how that "magic" jacket transformed her attitude.

[marshmallow]

From Geraldo @ large:
This Weekend:
• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview

[jammies]

From Geraldo @ large:
This Weekend:
• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview


We knew Cindy couldn't keep quiet for long.

[read-in]

From Geraldo @ large:
This Weekend:
• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview

I thought cindy wanted her privacy, and no interviews, per BC,
Wonder what has changed..... also, GERALDO???? of all People???
Yuckkkyyy.

[gaelicpeas]

Hello - not sure what happened to the other thread. Anyway, maybe this one will work.

So Cindy is going to be on Geraldo tonight, eh?

[floridamom]

Hello - not sure what happened to the other thread. Anyway, maybe this one will work.

So Cindy is going to be on Geraldo tonight, eh?

You're kidding, right? I thought Conway had her under control!

[marshmallow]

I'm guessing they need to counter act the People article. I'm not surprised that it's Geraldo though, his relationship to Baez is telling.

[gaelicpeas]

You're kidding, right? I thought Conway had her under control!
No, not kidding. Someone just posted that on the other thread.

[bluwaters]

Not sure what is happening here.
Thanks GP for Part 2!

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

[read-in]

Hello - not sure what happened to the other thread. Anyway, maybe this one will work.

So Cindy is going to be on Geraldo tonight, eh?

Hi gaelicpeas, what just happened???
i felt like i was lost in the woods:crying:

[playnice]

Wow. Thought the board had been shut down.
What is the new twist that the tabloids are running wild with?

[floridamom]

I'm guessing they need to counter act the People article. I'm not surprised that it's Geraldo though, his relationship to Baez is telling.

Her personality is so abrasive...It can't be changed that fast, she is making a mistake....UNLESS she is switching over to the DARK SIDE!

[jammies]

Me too. Is this the third thread of the day?

[WillowInFlight]

I'm guessing they need to counter act the People article. I'm not surprised that it's Geraldo though, his relationship to Baez is telling.

Plus I'm sure she knows Geraldo will treat her with kid gloves. I'm going out tonight so someone please post if Cindy says she thinks Casey is innocent or not. TIA

[gaelicpeas]

Hi gaelicpeas, what just happened???
i felt like i was lost in the woods:crying:I am not sure what happened, but I was able to start a new thread.

I guess George is still in the hospital? Seems I read he would be there til at least Monday now. JMO

[marshmallow]

Wow. Thought the board had been shut down.
What is the new twist that the tabloids are running wild with?



I sent an e-mail to Geraldo, Greta, NG, and JVM asking if they'd be looking into the Todd Black issue and what the tie in is to Baez. I bet I don't hear back from Geraldo or Grata. Fox seems to be the chosen station now for all things defense.

[bchand]

Her personality is so abrasive...It can't be changed that fast, she is making a mistake....UNLESS she is switching over to the DARK SIDE!

I agree with you about her personality. So much for them wanting their privacy too.

[jammies]

I agree with you about her personality. So much for them wanting their privacy too.


I want Geraldo to ask her if she still believes in Zanny the Nanny.

[ellegna]

You're kidding, right? I thought Conway had her under control!


It's true

This Weekend:

• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview

http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

[CelticDawn]

am I in the right place now?


Good morning
I was thinking about the "mixup" w ith the memorial service stories...and I am wondering....I cnt find any new stories about it.....Is there a date or not?


also I think Geraldo and company are just trying to make a pigsty smell like roses.....that this is going to end up being yet another PR disaster for all of that clan.

[floridamom]

I agree with you about her personality. So much for them wanting their privacy too.

Maybe she is realizing she is now all alone. KC is jail, Cayle dead, GA in Hospital and Lee moving on with his life!

[read-in]

I sent an e-mail to Geraldo, Greta, NG, and JVM asking if they'd be looking into the Todd Black issue and what the tie in is to Baez. I bet I don't hear back from Geraldo or Grata. Fox seems to be the chosen station now for all things defense.

Do we know anything about Todd Black??

[marshmallow]

Do we know anything about Todd Black??

we know he's not really Todd Black and that he's speaking for Baez... that's about it.

[CelticDawn]

Do we know anything about Todd Black??

Nothing....Im doing some nosing around...All we know is that he is melodramatic ....makes silly statements and has no talent.....

[floridamom]

I hope Furman gets back on the trail. Remember what he did to Scakle (spelling?). LE love him...they know he got a raw deal with OJ and he can get on the inside if Fox will give him the expense acct to do it.

[gaelicpeas]

I hope Furman gets back on the trail. Remember what he did to Scakle (spelling?). LE love him...they know he got a raw deal with OJ and he can get on the inside if Fox will give him the expense acct to do it.
Fuhrman was on Greta several days ago, and IMO he acted very bizarre. He was talking about a ham sandwich, and that maybe it somehow fell out of the bag somewhere between the towyard and the evidence locker. It was all very odd.

[marshmallow]

Fuhrman was on Greta several days ago, and IMO he acted very bizarre. He was talking about a ham sandwich, and that maybe it somehow fell out of the bag somewhere between the towyard and the evidence locker. It was all very odd.

everyone on FOX has slowly stepped away from anything anti-defense. It's weird and confusing.

[floridamom]

Fuhrman was on Greta several days ago, and IMO he acted very bizarre. He was talking about a ham sandwich, and that maybe it somehow fell out of the bag somewhere between the towyard and the evidence locker. It was all very odd.

That is why I said I hope he gets back on the trail. He is a good investigator and he can do so much better than that.

[read-in]

I hope Furman gets back on the trail. Remember what he did to Scakle (spelling?). LE love him...they know he got a raw deal with OJ and he can get on the inside if Fox will give him the expense acct to do it.

EEEWWWW
you said Furman:scared:

[Neffy]

That is why I said I hope he gets back on the trail. He is a good investigator and he can do so much better than that.


Fuhrmans theory is that it was an accident and she panicked.

[bluwaters]

Morning news recap:

Questionnaire To Casey Anthony: Do You Know Who Killed Caylee?
Church To Host Public Memorial Service For Caylee
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18609060/detail.html#-

What Casey Anthony's Body Language Means
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/30/what_anthony39s_body_language_means.html

Public memorial for Caylee Anthony tentatively set
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8331956&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Caylee's memorial service on hold -- mom in court
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey3109jan31,0,460044.story

It appears that the A's cannot set a date for the public memorial until the remains are released.
Is this a spat between Conway and Baez?
IMO, the remains have nothing to do with a memorial service.
Remains are not present at a memorial service, remains are present at funeral services.
Why don't they go ahead with it?
They don't need Caylee's remains to hold a service!

[CelticDawn]

I hope Furman gets back on the trail. Remember what he did to Scakle (spelling?). LE love him...they know he got a raw deal with OJ and he can get on the inside if Fox will give him the expense acct to do it.


I think he got a raw deal too...plenty of people share his politics and they can still do a good job as investigators...

He has a clear and IMO very accurate view of the machinations of crimminals AND their defenses ploys....He knows the tricks.

[kitty1182]

Here ya'll are..:huh:

So Cindy is gonna be on GR tonight? Did I read that right?:ohmy:

[FrankieBones1]

Here is a snipped from People.com

In an interview with the FBI last year, George said that he and his wife had separated for more than six months starting at the end of 2005. They reconciled, but there was no mistaking the rift between them.

"I've watched Cindy berate George over the littlest thing, just nasty, mean stuff," a source tells PEOPLE. "She'll say, 'George, you're so stupid,' in front of his friends."

Strained Relationships
Meanwhile, the relationship between Cindy and Casey – well before Caylee's murder – was even more strained. "They were always at each other's throats about something," says the source.

"Cindy would tell Casey she was immature, and Casey would tell Cindy she was ruining her life. They couldn't communicate if it wasn't for their fighting and bickering."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20255306,00.html

[bluwaters]

Do we know anything about Todd Black??
He is ZFG's brother?

[CelticDawn]

Fuhrmans theory is that it was an accident and she panicked.

Accident or not <pure evil...and shes happy>


Now Fuhrman could actually be right in "accident"....but you have to define "accident'....Now if she was fooling around with drugging that baby ...or she had a connyption fit and killed her "by accident"....either is still MURDER....IMO.

[FrankieBones1]

Here ya'll are..:huh:

So Cindy is gonna be on GR tonight? Did I read that right?:ohmy:
Yes, Kitty, you heard it right.

This Weekend:

• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview
• E-mail the show: atlarge@foxnews.com

[read-in]

I think he got a raw deal too...plenty of people share his politics and they can still do a good job as investigators...

He has a clear and IMO very accurate view of the machinations of crimminals AND their defenses ploys....He knows the tricks.

UHHM, is Furman Good???

Sorry if i offended anyone, thought he was on the dark side.

My bad????

[Neffy]

Accident or not <pure evil...and shes happy>


Now Fuhrman could actually be right in "accident"....but you have to define "accident'....Now if she was fooling around with drugging that baby ...or she had a connyption fit and killed her "by accident"....either is still MURDER....IMO.

I agree you do have to define accident but just as important he'd have to define panic. She seems to display the same panic as you do when you spill a glass of pop. Oh dang! Better clean this mess up.

[Neffy]

UHHM, is Furman Good???

Sorry if i offended anyone, thought he was on the dark side.

My bad????

LOL. I like the guy don't always agree with him though.

[FrankieBones1]

Todd Black?

Here's a snippet about this mystery man.

The spokesman for Casey Anthony’s defense attorney isn’t who he says he is.

Todd Black told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday that Todd Black isn’t his real name, and he wouldn’t give his true identity.

Black — whose news releases triggered a recent Florida Bar investigation into Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez — said his last name is an "abbreviated" form he’s used professionally in the past.

Typically, spokespeople use their real names.

Using fake identities raises some serious ethical issues, according to public-relations consultants such as Margaret "Marti" Mackenzie, who works for attorneys.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2009_01_30_Spokesman_for_Casey_Anthony_s_attorney_ says_he_s_not_using_his_real_name/srvc=home&position=recent

[CelticDawn]

Here ya'll are..:huh:

So Cindy is gonna be on GR tonight? Did I read that right?:ohmy:

Isnt it disgusting? <I cant watch tonight but Ill take my laptop and stash it in the back room so I can check in> I am sure its just a damage control thing.....that it will be LAUGHABLE IF NOT SO TRAGIC.....

[kitty1182]

Yes, Kitty, you heard it right.

This Weekend:

• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview
• E-mail the show: atlarge@foxnews.com


I'll just have to lay off the cough syrup so I can stay up till 10 tonight..I don't want to miss this!!!!!!!!

[floridamom]

Fuhrmans theory is that it was an accident and she panicked.

I have noticed that alot of people don't realize that accident means "accident".
Drowning, fall and hit her head, things like that. I think some TH call accidental overdose, negliect etc. an accident. Those are not accidents. If you are drugging your kid and they die that is a felony. If you are neglecting your kid and they die it's a felony. In florida anyway. They need to clarify what accident means when they speak about it.
I don't think she said, "Oh let's really piss off mom and kill caylee" I think she died of one of the above mentioned quasi-accidents and then she came up with the kidnapping story. She put on the duct tape to make it look like a real kidnapping. She watches too many movies.

[kitty1182]

Isnt it disgusting? <I cant watch tonight but Ill take my laptop and stash it in the back room so I can check in> I am sure its just a damage control thing.....that it will be LAUGHABLE IF NOT SO TRAGIC.....



I can hardly wait!!!!
Wonder if he pays for interviews? :wink:

[FrankieBones1]

UHHM, is Furman Good???

Sorry if i offended anyone, thought he was on the dark side.

My bad????

I don't think Mark's ever been on the dark side of any case. I'm just not sure why he thinks Caylee's death was an accident. Hope he explains.

[CelticDawn]

Todd Black?

Here's a snippet about this mystery man.

The spokesman for Casey Anthony’s defense attorney isn’t who he says he is.

Todd Black told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday that Todd Black isn’t his real name, and he wouldn’t give his true identity.

Black — whose news releases triggered a recent Florida Bar investigation into Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez — said his last name is an "abbreviated" form he’s used professionally in the past.

Typically, spokespeople use their real names.

Using fake identities raises some serious ethical issues, according to public-relations consultants such as Margaret "Marti" Mackenzie, who works for attorneys.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2009_01_30_Spokesman_for_Casey_Anthony_s_attorney_ says_he_s_not_using_his_real_name/srvc=home&position=recent

I dont get the fake ID thing at all for people that are representing real people....I can see stage names....and those are usually portrayed as just that....STAGE names.....
If he is reporting on REAL news...then he should use his REAL NAME.

[WillowInFlight]

Fuhrmans theory is that it was an accident and she panicked.

I would really like to think that, but then I remember all the partying, Maybe she thought that there was nothing she could do to bring Caylee back and after all she was still alive and breathing. Though I would love to know what was up with that mass flurry of phone calls

[Lavenia]

Fuhrmans theory is that it was an accident and she panicked.

Fuhrman is PLONKED by me on this case. The Fox monsters got him. :scared:

ETA: Good morning Ms. Neffy! :seeya:

[FrankieBones1]

Has Dan Abrams chimed in yet about this case? I'd love to hear his opinion.

[CelticDawn]

UHHM, is Furman Good???

Sorry if i offended anyone, thought he was on the dark side.

My bad????

I think he is very objective when it comes to investigations....its his "racist" thing that people are talking about.....cant fight all those millenia of evolution....people are going to think as they do about it>


He is not a bad person IMO....and NO you didnt offend me at all.:smile:

[101Spots]

I'll just have to lay off the cough syrup so I can stay up till 10 tonight..I don't want to miss this!!!!!!!!

Watching Geraldo should come right after waterboarding on the torture list, or maybe before. I think I'm going to be busy at that time rotating my socks.

[happygert]

I don't think Mark's ever been on the dark side of any case. I'm just not sure why he thinks Caylee's death was an accident. Hope he explains.

I dont understand how he thinks Caylee wasn't there all the time.. She was somewhere else first... makes no sense to me..unless of course someone VERY CLOSE to casey put her there....shoot i thought boards closed went to post and it said closed....whew ...

[CelticDawn]

Fuhrman is PLONKED by me on this case. The Fox monsters got him. :scared:

ETA: Good morning Ms. Neffy! :seeya:

<OH carp....shes up!!!>

Hi Lavenia....I think hes MAYBE going to change his mind as he gets more evidence available to him.....

the fox monster can only hold on to people that are a little weakminded ....and money-hungry.....IMO of course...

[Neffy]

Fuhrman is PLONKED by me on this case. The Fox monsters got him. :scared:

LOL! What's wrong with this theory is the defense is insisting someone else did it and dumped the remains. That points to someone else killing Caylee.

This defense has really boxed itself in. Baez keeps spouting you don't know what the story is, we really did't say. I beg to differ. He does say, his client has said but he inserts these comments for some wiggle room. That room is awful small that he's built.

:seeya:

[read-in]

I think he is very objective when it comes to investigations....its his "racist" thing that people are talking about.....cant fight all those millenia of evolution....people are going to think as they do about it>


He is not a bad person IMO....and NO you didnt offend me at all.:smile:

Thanks Celtic;
I guess im just not real clear on who he actully is and what he does..
I trust in my fellow posters; if my mind should stray? just slap me down with a reality check:laugh:

[CelticDawn]

LOL! What's wrong with this theory is the defense is insisting someone else did it and dumped the remains. That points to someone else killing Caylee.

This defense has really boxed itself in. Baez keeps spouting you don't know what the story is, we really did't say. I beg to differ. He does say, his client has said but he inserts these comments for some wiggle room. That room is awful small that he's built.

:seeya:

what he is doing is trying to get to those fringe jurors out ther who may not have much common sense...what people need to do is make sure people are informed....Now we cant do much about people who are just plain antisocial and anti LE or just plain unable to reason.....

[floridamom]

Thanks Celtic;
I guess im just not real clear on who he actully is and what he does..
I trust in my fellow posters; if my mind should stray? just slap me down with a reality check:laugh:

He was the youngest of the 4 detectives in the OJ case, the one that found the bloody glove. He was smeared by the Dream Team and called a racist to get OJ off. He has since moved to Montana or somewhere and has started investigating cases on his own. He reinvestigated the skacle (spelling) -Kennedy Cousin case that happened years ago and was still open. He got enough media attention that charges were filed and a conviction was achieved. I say good for him.

[bchand]

I'll just have to lay off the cough syrup so I can stay up till 10 tonight..I don't want to miss this!!!!!!!!

lol not me kitty. If I never see Cindy Anthony again, it would be too soon. I hope the media does not look to her for anything from now on. She's got nothing of importance to say IMO.

[happygert]

Okay so I'm going to set the recorder to Geraldo tonight. Cindy is coming out of hiding. Hmmmm. Should be interesting. I am wondering if she is going to have Conway with her during this interview. She would be a fool not to. Wondering if she is going to into her Zanny schpeel again or start laying the groundwork for an apology to the public, the media, the volunteers, etc. for their hard work in this case. Hmmmm.

I just read upthread that one the Fox TH's is saying that they think this is an accident and she panicked? All well and good, except for one thing. Explain the duct tape around her head and the heart shaped sticker. Nope. The accident theory is just not washing with me anymore. The only alternative theory that I am still floating is that Casey went a-partying and left her child either unattended or in the hands of a stranger who had malice on his/her mind and killed Caylee and then dumped her back onto Casey to deal with. When Casey "comes to" from her drunken state or comes back from her party, Caylee is already dead and she then proceeds to cover up. But that will only fly ( for me anyway) if the duct tape has someone elses prints on it.

Did I understand you cindys talking to geraldo? TONIGHT?

[joint-heir]

"CASARES: No, this is a motion that has been filed but no date for argument. But it`s been filed by Jose Baez, it`s something they found in the search in the family home in July, it`s now in possession of the Sheriff`s Department. But it`s a parentage report, DNA parentage report, yes."

This is the quote we were trying to mention last night that we couldn't understand what was meant. Anyone this morning?

I think the Dr. on JVM has usually been very reasonable. Think last night he was just trying to say why & how defense COULD use it.

I wonder if the interview Geraldo mentions with Cindy could be an old one? Did he do any interviews with her before??

[CelticDawn]

Did I understand you cindys talking to geraldo? TONIGHT?

I tell you ...I envy the people that can watch that side show!!!!

[bluwaters]

Remains may have been somewhere else first
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=5F920BF50ABDAF7EE02B60CEAB0C97A3 ?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Greta's OTR Transcript, Jan 28:
Ham Sandwich Trail in the Caylee Anthony Case
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484884,00.html

Mark Fuhrman talks about the Anthony crime scene
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8327425&version=1&locale=EN-US

[read-in]

He was the youngest of the 4 detectives in the OJ case, the one that found the bloody glove. He was smeared by the Dream Team and called a racist to get OJ off. He has since moved to Montana or somewhere and has started investigating cases on his own. He reinvestigated the skacle (spelling) -Kennedy Cousin case that happened years ago and was still open. He got enough media attention that charges were filed and a conviction was achieved. I say good for him.

OOHHH, :scared:
I never saw the first OJ, lol,lol.
yup, sorry... me not know him...
thanks in kind, to all.

[joint-heir]

I have always liked Fuhrman, but what he has been coming up with on Greta, has been kind of unimportant. IMO

[bchand]

Has Dan Abrams chimed in yet about this case? I'd love to hear his opinion.

He was on truTV briefly with Ashleigh Banfield yesterday. It was a treat to hear him talking about it. (Of course I can't remember exactly what it said - but he was using common sense.)

[Explorer]

How come Cindy doesnt appear on Nancy Grace? Will she only go on defence friendly shows? And Furmans accidental doesnt fly after the duct tape.

[playnice]

"CASARES: No, this is a motion that has been filed but no date for argument. But it`s been filed by Jose Baez, it`s something they found in the search in the family home in July, it`s now in possession of the Sheriff`s Department. But it`s a parentage report, DNA parentage report, yes."

This is the quote we were trying to mention last night that we couldn't understand what was meant. Anyone this morning?

I think the Dr. on JVM has usually been very reasonable. Think last night he was just trying to say why & how defense COULD use it.

I wonder if the interview Geraldo mentions with Cindy could be an old one? Did he do any interviews with her before??

The only report we know of was Jessies which proves he wasnt the father. We know LE did a DNA on Lee but not sure what that one meant.

Jessie has a copy which shows he isnt the father so even if Cindy had someone alter it and he really was he had no knowledge about it. It would be a horrible blow to him if something crooked did happen because regardless he loved Caylee like his own.

[floridamom]

How come Cindy doesnt appear on Nancy Grace? Will she only go on defence friendly shows? And Furmans accidental doesnt fly after the duct tape.

I really think the duct tape was an after thought to boost the kidnapping story.

[CelticDawn]

Remains may have been somewhere else first
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=5F920BF50ABDAF7EE02B60CEAB0C97A3 ?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

Greta's OTR Transcript, Jan 28:
Ham Sandwich Trail in the Caylee Anthony Case
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484884,00.html

Mark Fuhrman talks about the Anthony crime scene
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8327425&version=1&locale=EN-US


Mark Fuhrman also said that casey has done almost everything she could do to put herself in prison" Paraphrased maybe...I was listening and doign something else>

[floridamom]

Bluwaters, what's the story with the ham and cheese. I thought everyone was joking the other day when they were talking about it. Are they trying to say that it was a decaying ham and cheese in the car that smelled like decomp? What a crock!

In forensic science they often use pigs to do experiments -they can't use humans- to test theories because pigs are very similar genetically to humans. Ergo rotten ham may smell like decomposing human. It is a bunch of smoke and mirrors.

[CelticDawn]

How come Cindy doesnt appear on Nancy Grace? Will she only go on defence friendly shows? And Furmans accidental doesnt fly after the duct tape.

I think Mark Fuhrman is an OK person...but I think hes saying that after Caylee died that she panicked....did LOTS OF stupid things to try and get the crosshairs off of herself....but it didnt work



not that I totally agree with him....

[kOOkie1]

Hey everyone!! I usually dont like watching Geraldo nor Cindy for that matter can semi-stand Furman, but, like curiosity & a cat Im going to have to. I just dont get how they can go with this being accidental:confused: If I have to hear about how Zanny had a key blah blah or Casey knows who did this but is not telling or even the accident happened and she panicked...just none of that adds up to even reasonable:sneaky: I really hope Cindy just lets Conway talk from here on out like its been.. its easier to stomich the nonsense from him.:unsure: (jmo)

[Dunlurken]

He is ZFG's brother?

I think he's the anonymous person who is creating all this havoc, and I think he has a tie to Lenny somehow. JMO.

Wow, you couldn't write a murder mystery like this one. :confused:

[Dunlurken]

I think Mark Fuhrman is an OK person...but I think hes saying that after Caylee died that she panicked....did LOTS OF stupid things to try and get the crosshairs off of herself....but it didnt work



not that I totally agree with him....

Sorry, but I don't like any cop who has to get on the stand and plead the 5th 57 times. I think I have that right. JMO.

[happygert]

I tell you ...I envy the people that can watch that side show!!!!

I can't stand geraldo.....wonder if baez set this up?....

[Explorer]

I really think the duct tape was an after thought to boost the kidnapping story.

Is there a way that they can tell if the tape was put on before or after? Just curious

[CelticDawn]

Bluwaters, what's the story with the ham and cheese. I thought everyone was joking the other day when they were talking about it. Are they trying to say that it was a decaying ham and cheese in the car that smelled like decomp? What a crock!

that is pure malarchy!


Ham and cheese does NOT produce the specific amino acids to smell like decomp...ESPECIALLY HUMAN DECOMP....which is diferent than anything else a person has EVER smelled....and I know.

[read-in]

I think he's the anonymous person who is creating all this havoc, and I think he has a tie to Lenny somehow. JMO.

Wow, you couldn't write a murder mystery like this one. :confused:

Is there a photo of Todd Black? Does anyone know what he looks like??

[floridamom]

Is there a way that they can tell if the tape was put on before or after? Just curious

I have no idea...hopefully we will find out soon!

[kitty1182]

Bluwaters, what's the story with the ham and cheese. I thought everyone was joking the other day when they were talking about it. Are they trying to say that it was a decaying ham and cheese in the car that smelled like decomp? What a crock!



Reminding self to stop putting left over ham in my trash:closedeyes:

[SavannahStar]

I would really like to think that, but then I remember all the partying, Maybe she thought that there was nothing she could do to bring Caylee back and after all she was still alive and breathing. Though I would love to know what was up with that mass flurry of phone calls


The flurry of phone calls is one of the most mysterious things in this case for me, Willow.

[summer4meplz]

Fuhrman was on Greta several days ago, and IMO he acted very bizarre. He was talking about a ham sandwich, and that maybe it somehow fell out of the bag somewhere between the towyard and the evidence locker. It was all very odd.


also I thought it was odd the other night when he acted like it was a big deal that they discovered TonE picked casey up from Amscot...

[Lavenia]

that is pure malarchy!


Ham and cheese does NOT produce the specific amino acids to smell like decomp...ESPECIALLY HUMAN DECOMP....which is diferent than anything else a person has EVER smelled....and I know.

I agree. You couldn't get within 100 miles of The Oscar Meyer Co. if that were the case.

[happygert]

I think Mark Fuhrman is an OK person...but I think hes saying that after Caylee died that she panicked....did LOTS OF stupid things to try and get the crosshairs off of herself....but it didnt work



not that I totally agree with him....

No IMO it wasn't an accident.. you dont duct someone's mouth accidently

[joint-heir]

I think there were some rumors earlier that Todd Black is really Gill something??

[Dunlurken]

that is pure malarchy!


Ham and cheese does NOT produce the specific amino acids to smell like decomp...ESPECIALLY HUMAN DECOMP....which is diferent than anything else a person has EVER smelled....and I know.Wasn't Henry Lee the one who brought that up? JMO.


Actually, Cindy brought up the whole thing when she said there's a pizza in the back of the car. Did you ever smell pizza that has been in the trunk of the car after 12 days in the hot, humid air of Florida? (paraphrasing) and JMO.

[playnice]

There is a cover on the NE site that says "Dads Confession. Casey did it." Cant see the date on it tho.

[CelticDawn]

I can't stand geraldo.....wonder if baez set this up?....

after Geraldo got me banned AND ALMOST gave me a heart attack... I cant really watch <with husband around>....but THIS ONE I really want to see!!!

[floridamom]

There is a cover on the NE site that says "Dads Confession. Casey did it." Cant see the date on it tho.

what is the ne site?

[marshmallow]

that is pure malarchy!


Ham and cheese does NOT produce the specific amino acids to smell like decomp...ESPECIALLY HUMAN DECOMP....which is diferent than anything else a person has EVER smelled....and I know.



I agree, I've smelled human decomp. and it is not ham-ish, it is the worst thing I've ever smelled and actually hurts your eyes, nasil passages, and throat. It clings to you and even after showering you can still smell the stench. To say it might've been ham and cheese is basically lying through their teeth.

[Pruddennce]

Bluwaters, what's the story with the ham and cheese. I thought everyone was joking the other day when they were talking about it. Are they trying to say that it was a decaying ham and cheese in the car that smelled like decomp? What a crock!

no pieces of pizza OR MEAT were found.

top of handwritten page 3198 (page 26)

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf

best regrds,
Pru

[Dunlurken]

also I thought it was odd the other night when he acted like it was a big deal that they discovered TonE picked casey up from Amscot...

He needs to keep his mouth shut and stay off the airwaves as well. He's the one who got OJ off. JMO.

Why is he on Greta, and what does he know about this case? JMO.

[summer4meplz]

Todd Black?

Here's a snippet about this mystery man.

The spokesman for Casey Anthony’s defense attorney isn’t who he says he is.

Todd Black told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday that Todd Black isn’t his real name, and he wouldn’t give his true identity.

Black — whose news releases triggered a recent Florida Bar investigation into Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez — said his last name is an "abbreviated" form he’s used professionally in the past.

Typically, spokespeople use their real names.

Using fake identities raises some serious ethical issues, according to public-relations consultants such as Margaret "Marti" Mackenzie, who works for attorneys.

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view/2009_01_30_Spokesman_for_Casey_Anthony_s_attorney_ says_he_s_not_using_his_real_name/srvc=home&position=recent


which is even more confusing because based on someone who wouldn't even give his real name, the Florida bar cleared baez?

[Neffy]

I agree. You couldn't get within 100 miles of The Oscar Meyer Co. if that were the case.

You do realize in good conscience I will never buy another lunchable again!

[kitty1182]

You do realize in good conscience I will never buy another lunchable again!



LOL..I will think about the ham when I do mine at Easter....lol

[CelticDawn]

no pieces of pizza OR MEAT were found.

top of handwritten page 3198 (page 26)

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf

best regrds,
Pru

thanks Pruddence....I dodnt think so....


was this a dr Leeism???

[happygert]

How come Cindy doesnt appear on Nancy Grace? Will she only go on defence friendly shows? And Furmans accidental doesnt fly after the duct tape.

IMO she only appears on shows she can control...NO hard questions ASKED..

[floridamom]

IMO she only appears on shows she can control...NO hard questions ASKED..

No questions asked at all....Just let her talk and she will be there!

[bluwaters]

Bluwaters, what's the story with the ham and cheese. I thought everyone was joking the other day when they were talking about it. Are they trying to say that it was a decaying ham and cheese in the car that smelled like decomp? What a crock!
I know.
Is Fuhrman drinking the kool aid now too?
Maybe it's in the water cooler at FOX?

[happygert]

which is even more confusing because based on someone who wouldn't even give his real name, the Florida bar cleared baez?

excatly.......

[Dunlurken]

IMO she only appears on shows she can control...NO hard questions ASKED..

And know Nancy asks the HARD questions.

Back to the previous poster who stated this was not an accident. No accidental death puts duct tape over a child's mouth, then places a heart sticker on the duct tape (if that is found out to be true, which I think it will be.) Not an accident. Death Row. JMO.

[KP1935]

Is there a photo of Todd Black? Does anyone know what he looks like??


IMO....

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/images/home_r1_c1.jpg

:biggrin:

[Explorer]

They are scared of Nancy Grace. Nancy Grce would just ask point blank What did you know and when did you know it.

[Dunlurken]

I know.
Is Fuhrman drinking the kool aid now too?
Maybe it's in the water cooler at FOX?

I rarely watch Fox. Fuhrman is looking to write a book, IMO. No wonder prosecution said this will take at least a year before it goes to trial. JMO.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.......

[kitty1182]

IMO she only appears on shows she can control...NO hard questions ASKED..

Geraldo has been calling Casey the B word..Wonder if he will call her that tonight?

[CelticDawn]

And know Nancy asks the HARD questions.

Back to the previous poster who stated this was not an accident. No accidental death puts duct tape over a child's mouth, then places a heart sticker on the duct tape (if that is found out to be true, which I think it will be.) Not an accident. Death Row. JMO.

Hey Dunnie...If you mean ME then I am just dissecting OTHER peoplees reasoning....there are both good posts and bad.....and the HEARTS would be some sick sign of remorse and goodbye at the same time

like goodbye I love you <and Im glad youre finally gone and silent>....

[Dunlurken]

IMO....

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/images/home_r1_c1.jpg

:biggrin:

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. Let me throw this out for discussion. Doesn't Lenny know who Todd Black is? Seems to me, IIRC, back in the beginning Lenny said Todd Black was his nephew. Or else I have truly lost my mind and just surmised it. JMO.

[summer4meplz]

I dont understand how he thinks Caylee wasn't there all the time.. She was somewhere else first... makes no sense to me..unless of course someone VERY CLOSE to casey put her there....shoot i thought boards closed went to post and it said closed....whew ...


whew is right lol.......
bolded ....by moi.....she WAS somewhere else first....in the backyard until casey realized how stupid that was....and then she was in the trunk for a couple of days and then I guess casey couldn't be bothered anymore and threw her away.....poor little baby.....

imo

[Pruddennce]

I think there were some rumors earlier that Todd Black is really Gill something??

Gil Cabot. a k a Jerome Bradley.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Dunlurken]

Hey Dunnie...If you mean ME then I am just dissecting OTHER peoplees reasoning....there are both good posts and bad.....and the HEARTS would be some sick sign of remorse and goodbye at the same time

like goodbye I love you <and Im glad youre finally gone and silent>....

I think that's what happened. Wasn't an accident, and a twisted person would be conflicted. Kill, then put a sign of love on the body. JMO.

[read-in]

IMO....

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/images/home_r1_c1.jpg

:biggrin:

ROTHF:laugh:

[bluwaters]

no pieces of pizza OR MEAT were found.

top of handwritten page 3198 (page 26)

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf

best regrds,
Pru

I know, but Fuhrman seems to be saying that LE didn't list everything that was found.
I don't know why he thinks that.

[bluwaters]

Geraldo has been calling Casey the B word..Wonder if he will call her that tonight?

He has said some really nasty things about Casey.
Does Cindy know the things that Geraldo has said?

[trich]

You're kidding, right? I thought Conway had her under control!

Well I am sure Geraldo will not ask her the questions she needs to be asked.
He certainly will do nothing that will make the defense look stupid but then again the defense does not need any help to appear inadequit IMO.

[IM4Truth]

I really think the duct tape was an after thought to boost the kidnapping story.

Maybe, but then she screwed up and put the heart sticker there. What kidnapper would do that? What kidnapper would throw in her blanket and toy horse?

[Pruddennce]

thanks Pruddence....I dodnt think so....


was this a dr Leeism???

I must have missed where the ham and cheese originated....just read it this very moment on this thread. there was no meat in the car. it appears the trash bag was 'lifted out' of the apartment and tossed in her car as it contained the apt trash and some of Tony's info from Full Sail.

IMO she took the used trash bag because maybe the apt was out of trash bags. and then decided for 'whatever reason' not to use it. (or perhaps she just threw it on top of Caylee in the trunk. its alleged the trash bag that Caylee was found in originated from the anthony home (and videos show GA carrying a similar bag out to the front of the home).....also, Cindy had given LE items in their trash bag from the home at that time also.

of course when Caylee was found, its not likely the same box/or roll of trash bags is still there unless they bought a super roll/box. But, LE has a bag from that timeframe. (from Cindy and now from caylee).

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[cassidy]

No IMO it wasn't an accident.. you dont duct someone's mouth accidently

And you don't accidentally overdose a child with something they should be given in the first place. That would NOT be an accident. JMO

[IM4Truth]

also I thought it was odd the other night when he acted like it was a big deal that they discovered TonE picked casey up from Amscot...

I think MF has been sleeping under a rock somewhere lately.

[read-in]

OK, this will sound like i live on another planet;
I have been down with a bad flu tho....
Is there any chance that Lee Anthony, might be Todd Black??

[summer4meplz]

that is pure malarchy!


Ham and cheese does NOT produce the specific amino acids to smell like decomp...ESPECIALLY HUMAN DECOMP....which is diferent than anything else a person has EVER smelled....and I know.


keep in mind the ham was overlooked by the FBI but discovered by henry lee....along with quite a few hairs ......

[trich]

I would really like to think that, but then I remember all the partying, Maybe she thought that there was nothing she could do to bring Caylee back and after all she was still alive and breathing. Though I would love to know what was up with that mass flurry of phone calls

has anyone asked him about her partying and generally have a blast while her daughter is decomposing in the trunk of her car and then thrown away like garbage.
That is not the behavior of someone involved in an accident IMO.

[?noanswer]

There is a cover on the NE site that says "Dads Confession. Casey did it." Cant see the date on it tho.

I think it is the latest issue. I read somewhere that NE says G recognized the heart sticker. Don't know if it is true. JMO

[trich]

keep in mind the ham was overlooked by the FBI but discovered by henry lee....along with quite a few hairs ......

Yeah! Why would anyone trust that man?
He is a disgrace!

[?noanswer]

I think MF has been sleeping under a rock somewhere lately.

Yes, and it slipped and hit him on the head. JMO

[summer4meplz]

The flurry of phone calls is one of the most mysterious things in this case for me, Willow.


it looked to me like she was constantly in a flurry of phone calls and texting....

[IM4Truth]

He needs to keep his mouth shut and stay off the airwaves as well. He's the one who got OJ off. JMO.

Why is he on Greta, and what does he know about this case? JMO.

I don't know but his next report will probably be that the remains were found with duct tape around the skull. He is so far behind.

[marshmallow]

I know, but Fuhrman seems to be saying that LE didn't list everything that was found.
I don't know why he thinks that.

this is confusing but here's a link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484884,00.html


and from that link this said by Furman:
"Well, George and Cynthia, while they're there with the police, they say, Oh, I cleaned out the car and I threw away this -- this bag of garbage. So the police go back out to Johnson's Tow and recover it out of the garbage can in which they threw it, and that is what is in dispute. Now, what didn't make it out of the garbage can into police evidence, that's up to argument on both sides, I guess."




and what I gather from it is that the only people who claim there was ham were <tah dah> Cindy and George. The defensive minded THs are jumping onto the ham story but there's no proof of any ham. The ham story is only from Cindy anfd George.

[happygert]

after Geraldo got me banned AND ALMOST gave me a heart attack... I cant really watch <with husband around>....but THIS ONE I really want to see!!!

I know the feeling...about the heart attack been on that island myself...
Is BC going to be talking for cindy? I'll bet it will be hard for her just to sit there.or heck she might not even show up..mo

[joint-heir]

Thanks Pru, could not remember the rest of that name...

[101Spots]

Does Geraldo really think he's going to separate fact from fiction using Cindy as his source? He twazy, that one. :w00t:

That won't stop him from putting fiction out to the general public disguised as "fact."

[Dunlurken]

Maybe, but then she screwed up and put the heart sticker there. What kidnapper would do that? What kidnapper would throw in her blanket and toy horse?

BINGO. Unless they were trying to get rid of evidence from their house.

Boy, this will come back reasonable doubt. And they are afraid Casey can't get a fair trial? LMAO.

[summer4meplz]

They are scared of Nancy Grace. Nancy Grce would just ask point blank What did you know and when did you know it.


and if they are really lucky, Nancy will let them answer without interupting them....

[IM4Truth]

I think it is the latest issue. I read somewhere that NE says G recognized the heart sticker. Don't know if it is true. JMO

The only way that would be known was if they spoke to George and I highly doubt that.

[spiritwolf46]

Does Geraldo really think he's going to separate fact from fiction using Cindy as his source? He twazy, that one. :w00t:


LOL! He IS twazy! And so much for Cindy staying out from behind a camera. Baez's buddy just gave her a photo-op!

[Dunlurken]

Geraldo, Greta and Furhman are jumping on the Caylee bandwagon. Ratings dontcha know.

If Greta intends to follow this case, she needs to do it full time. Geraldo is only on on the weekends (go figure). I will be shocked if Cindy shows up on Geraldo tonight. Why not go with LKL?

Where is Geraldo's show taped from? Anyone know? JMO. Thinking out loud, as usual.

[floridamom]

Geraldo, Greta and Furhman are jumping on the Caylee bandwagon. Ratings dontcha know.

If Greta intends to follow this case, she needs to do it full time. Geraldo is only on on the weekends (go figure). I will be shocked if Cindy shows up on Geraldo tonight. Why not go with LKL?

Where is Geraldo's show taped from? Anyone know? JMO. Thinking out loud, as usual.

usually from new york

[Dunlurken]

usually from new york

So, could Cindy be from a live studio in Orlando? Don't think she's going to get on a plane. JMO. I'm surprised she will leave her house. JMOA.

[floridamom]

so, could cindy be from a live studio in orlando? Don't think she's going to get on a plane. Jmo. I'm surprised she will leave her house. Jmoa.

ita too much contact with us little people

[IM4Truth]

Did I read where LE is going to question Lee some more this week? IIRC I thought I read where he was setting up parking for the Super Bowl. I'm no sports fan so I don't even know where it is going to be but I think it is this weekend, maybe in Tampa? I'm thinking he would still be there a day or two after though tearing down the parking stuff?

[WillowInFlight]

Geraldo, Greta and Furhman are jumping on the Caylee bandwagon. Ratings dontcha know.

If Greta intends to follow this case, she needs to do it full time. Geraldo is only on on the weekends (go figure). I will be shocked if Cindy shows up on Geraldo tonight. Why not go with LKL?

Where is Geraldo's show taped from? Anyone know? JMO. Thinking out loud, as usual.

Your kidding right? The last time Cindy and George were on LKL, they made total fools out of themselves.

[IM4Truth]

So, could Cindy be from a live studio in Orlando? Don't think she's going to get on a plane. JMO. I'm surprised she will leave her house. JMOA.

Maybe Geraldo is going to Orlando, maybe he wants to do an "in house" visit like Greta did.

[floridamom]

maybe geraldo is going to orlando, maybe he wants to do an "in house" visit like greta did.

possible his mom lives in sarasota....free trip to see mommy on foxes dime!

[Regina.Lampert]

I know the feeling...about the heart attack been on that island myself...
Is BC going to be talking for cindy? I'll bet it will be hard for her just to sit there.or heck she might not even show up..mo

Hiya Gertie!! I can't believe that cynthia is appearing on any show, gonna be real interesting what geraldo asks her and how she responds.

[Dunlurken]

Maybe Geraldo is going to Orlando, maybe he wants to do an "in house" visit like Greta did.Now that would work for me. However, it is grotesque and eerie for anyone to be in the home where Caylee lived. Bunch of leeches if you ask me. JMO.

[IM4Truth]

I know the feeling...about the heart attack been on that island myself...
Is BC going to be talking for cindy? I'll bet it will be hard for her just to sit there.or heck she might not even show up..mo

I wouldn't think she would talk to Geraldo w/o BC by her side, but then again, it's Cindy, and it is what it is.

[court~critic1®]

I do not think NG will ask any hard questions of the Ants now. After all, she is now touting the "poor Anthonys" rofl


What does anyone think of the bracelet that someone tried to sneak in Casys clothes for her to wear at the hearing????? uuummmm. OF couse the JB said he didn't know anything about it,..... again. roflmao

[happygert]

Your kidding right? The last time Cindy and George were on LKL, they made total fools out of themselves.

Humm I that was the norm..IMO they've done that everytime they've opened their mouths.......

[bluwaters]

keep in mind the ham was overlooked by the FBI but discovered by henry lee....along with quite a few hairs ......
Thank you for the reminder summer!
I could not for the life of me recall ham being found.
It was Dr. Lee who 'found' it.

[WillowInFlight]

I do not think NG will ask any hard questions of the Ants now. After all, she is now touting the "poor Anthonys" rofl


What does anyone think of the bracelet that someone tried to sneak in Casys clothes for her to wear at the hearing????? uuummmm. OF couse the JB said he didn't know anything about it,..... again. roflmao

CC I don't see anyone asking any of the Anthony's hard questions. NG and the rest of them are playing them as victims. And as far a the bracelet, I do think Baez was behind it.

[Dunlurken]

I could be all wet, but that's my take on what might be going on with the ham. Not that it actually existed, but that the defense is trying to say it did.


snipped to address: The ham has nothing to do with human decomp. Animal vs. human has a big difference. It's a big to do about nothing. Thanks Dr. Lee and Baez. More smoke and mirrors on LKB's part. I won't even credit Baez with this. He ain't that smart. JMO.

[court~critic1®]

Hiya Gertie!! I can't believe that cynthia is appearing on any show, gonna be real interesting what geraldo asks her and how she responds.





Well I believe most of knew that Cindy couldn't stay away from the camera lens for very long.

[happygert]

I do not think NG will ask any hard questions of the Ants now. After all, she is now touting the "poor Anthonys" rofl


What does anyone think of the bracelet that someone tried to sneak in Casys clothes for her to wear at the hearing????? uuummmm. OF couse the JB said he didn't know anything about it,..... again. roflmao

For being an attorney he seems to know nothing about nothing.....jmo

Want to know if they had them made up to sell them..:shrug:

[IM4Truth]

Here's my thought on that. I noticed from the latest docs that the trash bag from the car, now a piece of evidence, got a lot of investigative action -- in and out of the evidence locker over and over and over. It was looked at more times than any other piece of evidence, if you read the document that tracks the movement of the evidence back and forth between LE, the FBI and the various labs. I thought it was interesting at the time, before Mark F. started talking about ham and cheese.

Mark's mention of the ham and cheese was really more about some controversy surrounding it than anything else, imo. I think maybe the bag wasn't available for H. Lee to investigate at the specific time he was there and/or certain contents of the bag weren't available. And I sense perhaps the defense is trying to make something out of this. We know there were references to Velveeta cheese and the bag, but no references to ham. My take is that H. Lee might be trying to claim there was ham in the bag, and LE didn't make it available to him.

I could be all wet, but that's my take on what might be going on with the ham. Not that it actually existed, but that the defense is trying to say it did.

Isn't that the same garbage bag that came from TonE's apartment and there was a receipt in the bag? Maybe ham was purchased on that receipt? Maybe there was an empty plastic ham wrapper? That evidence DID get taken out several times for inspection, it's no wonder Henry Lee found another hair!

[read-in]

I do not think NG will ask any hard questions of the Ants now. After all, she is now touting the "poor Anthonys" rofl


What does anyone think of the bracelet that someone tried to sneak in Casys clothes for her to wear at the hearing????? uuummmm. OF couse the JB said he didn't know anything about it,..... again. roflmao

I have not heard of that one, please tell me more
please with sugar on top??:wub:

[smileyjoe]

I do not think NG will ask any hard questions of the Ants now. After all, she is now touting the "poor Anthonys" rofl


What does anyone think of the bracelet that someone tried to sneak in Casys clothes for her to wear at the hearing????? uuummmm. OF couse the JB said he didn't know anything about it,..... again. roflmao

I'm not a Baez fan (actually, I like watching him in action, lol) but he might not have known if Cindy had provided the clothing for him to take to KC in jail.

imo.

Joe.

[WillowInFlight]

Humm I that was the norm..IMO they've done that everytime they've opened their mouths.......

IMO that was the worst. Poor George, darting eyes, stuttering. His bold out right lying. I was like. :ohmy:

[IM4Truth]

For being an attorney he seems to know nothing about nothing.....jmo

Want to know if they had them made up to sell them..:shrug:

I think the bracelet was already from the KFN or from the myspace page?

[ellegna]

I know, but Fuhrman seems to be saying that LE didn't list everything that was found.
I don't know why he thinks that.

Might have something to do with what Dr Lee said on NG

GRACE: Well, Dr. Henry Lee -- everyone, with us, he is on the Anthony defense team -- I know that you have the highest regard for the Oak Ridge Laboratories in Tennessee. I trained there myself for a period of time. According to them, and their -- their specialty unit, the "body farm," there was evidence of human decomposition. Would that be consistent with the smell that you smelled, Dr. Henry Lee?

LEE: Here, that`s -- you know, I`m a scientist. I only can address some scientific issue. I cannot speculate. Decomposition, because the trunk -- don`t forget, I looked at not only the car. Also looked at the liner, the carpet. Also looked at the content of the material. And I don`t know anybody informed me or not -- there are a lot of garbage was collected. A lot of material was collected from the trunk.

GRACE: Like what?

LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html

[Dunlurken]

I'm not a Baez fan (actually, I like watching him in action, lol) but he might not have known if Cindy had provided the clothing for him to take to KC in jail.

imo.

Joe.

What do you mean? Who sent the clothes for Casey to wear? Do we know? If not, then it's a moot discussion. Beats the heck out of me where the clothes came from. I do know they were too small. JMO.

[court~critic1®]

I have not heard of that one, please tell me more
please with sugar on top??:wub:



It was reported in one of the stories in OS. Sorry I don't know how to do the copy and paste thing. I am sure if you go to their site you will find it.

Good luck.

[kOOkie1]

Well I believe most of knew that Cindy couldn't stay away from the camera lens for very long.

Maybe its just me, but, with everything that has come out in the past several weeks I would not even be able to be out of bed ..the last thing I would be able to do is sit and do an interview:drool: That's for sure!

[101Spots]

I'm not a Baez fan (actually, I like watching him in action, lol) but he might not have known if Cindy had provided the clothing for him to take to KC in jail.

imo.

Joe.

Yes, Jose has indeed provided grand moments of comic relief in the midst of this tragedy. Thank you, Jose!

As for the bracelet, I would put nothing past either him or Cindy.

[Dunlurken]

Might have something to do with what Dr Lee said on NG

GRACE: Well, Dr. Henry Lee -- everyone, with us, he is on the Anthony defense team -- I know that you have the highest regard for the Oak Ridge Laboratories in Tennessee. I trained there myself for a period of time. According to them, and their -- their specialty unit, the "body farm," there was evidence of human decomposition. Would that be consistent with the smell that you smelled, Dr. Henry Lee?

LEE: Here, that`s -- you know, I`m a scientist. I only can address some scientific issue. I cannot speculate. Decomposition, because the trunk -- don`t forget, I looked at not only the car. Also looked at the liner, the carpet. Also looked at the content of the material. And I don`t know anybody informed me or not -- there are a lot of garbage was collected. A lot of material was collected from the trunk.

GRACE: Like what?

LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html
Thanks for the link. Bottom line... he don't know chit from shinola. :tonguewag:

[IM4Truth]

What do you mean? Who sent the clothes for Casey to wear? Do we know? If not, then it's a moot discussion. Beats the heck out of me where the clothes came from. I do know they were too small. JMO.

I think someone posted a link earlier from wftv that Jose brought in the clothes and Cindy had nothing to do with it. Don't have time to look it up now though, have to run out to the grocery store. Think I'll pick up People Mag. and mabye the Tabloid Trash just to see what it all says. They are kind of like Casey, weaving a bit of truth into everything. Later!

[mdibella]

The other night, a call-in question was posed to Jane Weintraub (can't recall if it was on the NG show or one of the programs before her). Paraphrasing a bit, the caller asked how a defense attorney with a guilty client could claim to be seeking 'justice'.

The reply was that the defense attorney's job is to provide a vigorous defense and that he/she DOES NOT CARE if the client is innocent or guilty.

I've been thinking about this a lot. As a layperson, I have so much trouble understanding the mindset. At the same time I can accept the NEED for it...

Most of the law discussion programs have defense attorneys as guests, and in general they seem like decent enough people (admittedly it's not that easy to tell from a brief appearance). I remember when Daniel Horowitz's wife was murdered, he was so devastated...and one thing he said was, 'I don't know if I can do this job any more' (meaning, be a defense attorney). I believe he has started to practice again but clearly he will never fully recover from this loss.

So how do they do it??? How can a lawyer set aside his/her revulsion for the crime (and don't tell me they don't feel it, because I won't accept that ANY normal human being can feel anything else in the context of a murdered child). Jane Weintraub has children of her own. I can't understand how she can simply set that aside. Does Jose Baez go home every night to his own family and somehow forget having spent the day looking at pictures of a dead baby, and giving his best effort to defend the person who is likely responsible?

Please don't say 'they're scumbags' because that's too pat an answer. The truth has to be a lot more complicated than that. They must love the law, else they would not be attorneys, but isn't law intended to provide justice?? How do they feel when their work results in the release of a person they know is guilty, a person who may still be a danger to others???

I always wondered how OJ's 'Dream Team' felt after the fact, watching him search every golf course in Florida for the 'real killer' (heh)...watching him write that BOOK... Barry Scheck in particular seems to have stopped general practice and is now working on 'the Innocence Project', which does defend people but ONLY after deciding that the defendants were wrongly convicted. I've always thought that this is a sort of pennance on his part for having been partly responsible for the release of a double murderer.

So...I am sorry if I am rambling but there is so much time spent on the legal programs rehashing the same facts over and over again. I wish so very much that one of them would devote a program to this question, and try to explain it in terms that the average layperson can understand.

I am not being critical here, I am just trying to understand.

[marshmallow]

Furhman acts like he does not have a clue and could care less. He said the defense found a chunk of ham in the trunk - they found an empty 8 oz empty can that was listed. It seems like it might have been in the white bag from TonE's house.



copying my earlier post because my hands are bad today:



this is confusing but here's a link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,484884,00.html


and from that link this said by Furman:
"Well, George and Cynthia, while they're there with the police, they say, Oh, I cleaned out the car and I threw away this -- this bag of garbage. So the police go back out to Johnson's Tow and recover it out of the garbage can in which they threw it, and that is what is in dispute. Now, what didn't make it out of the garbage can into police evidence, that's up to argument on both sides, I guess."




and what I gather from it is that the only people who claim there was ham were <tah dah> Cindy and George. The defensive minded THs are jumping onto the ham story but there's no proof of any ham. The ham story is only from Cindy anfd George.

[happygert]

I wouldn't think she would talk to Geraldo w/o BC by her side, but then again, it's Cindy, and it is what it is.

Yes I'm surprised he's kept her quite this long...But then again the minute Caylee's body was found she clammed up. Other then asking for immunity... WHY? The only reason I can think of maybe she knew what else they'd find with Caylee..jmo...

[gaelicpeas]

I have not heard of that one, please tell me more
please with sugar on top??:wub:Here ya go:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18606881/detail.html

[spiritwolf46]

Hiya Gertie!! I can't believe that cynthia is appearing on any show, gonna be real interesting what geraldo asks her and how she responds.



I am willing to bet you that he will DRIP with sweetness and sympathy towards her and Geo. (and would not surprise me if he did with Casey as well). It will be so sickening sweet I will have to go brush my teeth.

[summer4meplz]

Maybe Geraldo is going to Orlando, maybe he wants to do an "in house" visit like Greta did.


maybe lee got him tickets to the superbowl.....

[smileyjoe]

What do you mean? Who sent the clothes for Casey to wear? Do we know? If not, then it's a moot discussion. Beats the heck out of me where the clothes came from. I do know they were too small. JMO.

I mean WE do not know who provided the clothes. It has been my experience that the inmates family provided clothes for court to inmates. It is routine. imo.

Looks like a Cindy move to me, JMO.

Joe.

[court~critic1®]

What do you mean? Who sent the clothes for Casey to wear? Do we know? If not, then it's a moot discussion. Beats the heck out of me where the clothes came from. I do know they were too small. JMO.



It was reported that JB brought the clothes Wed. Now where he got them is anybodys guess. I concur... they were way to small.

[SavannahStar]

it looked to me like she was constantly in a flurry of phone calls and texting....

Well that's a point. :laugh:

This was a bit different, though, IMO.

[101Spots]

<snipped>

LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.

[/I]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html
[/COLOR]

In HenryLeespeak: Blah blah blah waffle blah blah backpeddle blah blah wheresmycheck blah blah blah....."

Note to self: Next life, come back as an "expert."

[Cury-us Coyote]

Defense Searches Remains Site
Sources close to the case told Local 6 News that the search was the first of many that the defense team will make to the site.

The defense team did not answer any questions after searching the site.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18609060/detail.html

[CC I See]

Fuhrmans theory is that it was an accident and she panicked...... not many people buy this explanation due to the fact that she didn't show grief that goes with accidental death. Her ability to get out and party shows the lack of any deep feeling or grief.

For those of you following the Riley Ann Sawyers case, the parents moved on very quickly after allegedly murdering their daughter.
GALVESTON, Texas — A couple accused of beating to death the woman's 2-year-old girl appeared playful and happy at a picnic less than two weeks after the toddler's death, a witness testified Friday in the mother's trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,485984,00.html

[summer4meplz]

I do not think NG will ask any hard questions of the Ants now. After all, she is now touting the "poor Anthonys" rofl


What does anyone think of the bracelet that someone tried to sneak in Casys clothes for her to wear at the hearing????? uuummmm. OF couse the JB said he didn't know anything about it,..... again. roflmao



bolded by me...I thought a newspaper article yesterday said jose DID know about it......:confused:

[SavannahStar]

has anyone asked him about her partying and generally have a blast while her daughter is decomposing in the trunk of her car and then thrown away like garbage.
That is not the behavior of someone involved in an accident IMO.

That was not the behavior of a normal "someone involved in an accident." Casey was far from normal, IMO.

(I myself don't think it was an accidental death, but her actions afterwards was not what convinced me of that.)

[really3997]

Does Geraldo really think he's going to separate fact from fiction using Cindy as his source? He twazy, that one. :w00t:

I for one am absolutely ecstatic about if Cindy really shows up and does an interview...That means to me that LE will let the moment stand for a few days the release more docs turning the investigation back the otherway...JMO seems to be how it has been working in the past.

[happygert]

Does anyone know if the prints are back from FBI yet? OR how much longer before they have to turn over more evidence to baez?

I was wrong ga didnt leave hospital yesterday.. I thought for sure he would to take focus off casey.. But there really wasn't anything big that happened yesterday.... Maybe he's waiting until something big comes down.....LIKE fingerprint evidence...:shrug:

[Pruddennce]

My take is that H. Lee might be trying to claim there was ham in the bag, and LE didn't make it available to him.

I could be all wet, but that's my take on what might be going on with the ham. Not that it actually existed, but that the defense is trying to say it did.

respectfully snipped above....

pardon the bad copy, its the first doc I put my hands on to show that they mentioned 'food items' in the bag. (which can certainly mean remants from the wrappers and such as referenced in the forensics doc recently released).

page 17

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey-anthony-interviews,0,100606.htmlpage

they specifically say in this doc as well, NO PIZZA was found.

they were trying to determine smells and the bag absorbed the odor of decomp from inside the trunk area , but had its own odor as well. two distinct odors. the one that permeated the car, its origin was not the trash bag. (and the trash bag did have flies and maggots).

IMO, thats because the decomp residue got on the bag and they made their way into the bag. not hard to do with a small opening at the top. they dont indicate the bag was 'sealed shut, only that it had tie handles.

HL.....my opinion, ethics is a concern as it relates to this case. he came off the PS case a tarnished expert.

and now, all of a sudden there are dozens of hairs found, his inspection?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[WillowInFlight]

I am willing to bet you that he will DRIP with sweetness and sympathy towards her and Geo. (and would not surprise me if he did with Casey as well). It will be so sickening sweet I will have to go brush my teeth.

Oh you know it, thank God I won't be home to watch it. He will probably even hold her hand.:rolleyes:

[happygert]

..... not many people buy this explanation due to the fact that she didn't show grief that goes with accidental death. Her ability to get out and party shows the lack of any deep feeling or grief.

For those of you following the Riley Ann Sawyers case, the parents moved on very quickly after allegedly murdering their daughter.
GALVESTON, Texas — A couple accused of beating to death the woman's 2-year-old girl appeared playful and happy at a picnic less than two weeks after the toddler's death, a witness testified Friday in the mother's trial.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,485984,00.html

I wish that tru tv would have aired that trial..

[CC I See]

I mean WE do not know who provided the clothes. It has been my experience that the inmates family provided clothes for court to inmates. It is routine. imo.

Looks like a Cindy move to me, JMO.

Joe.
... some jails have a box of donated clothes for inmates whose families can't or won't provide clothing for the inmate to wear at trial. Casey's clothes could have come from there.

[101Spots]

I am willing to bet you that he will DRIP with sweetness and sympathy towards her and Geo. (and would not surprise me if he did with Casey as well). It will be so sickening sweet I will have to go brush my teeth.

And lay in a supply of insulin while you're at it.

[WillowInFlight]

Hiya Willow,

I think Cindy's good for the bracelet. I don't think Jose needs the heat trying to sneak something into the jail.

ITA about the hard questions. But since everyone's smackin down Fox News (not directed at you, just in general), let's not forget it was Megyn Kelly of Fox who did that great interview with Cindy early on, where she called her on her stuff and said Fox was more concerned about finding Caylee than the family appeared to be. :thumbup:
Hiya Say!!!
And I think it was the reporter Orlando somethingorother, from FOX that was asking some really tough questions in the beginning, of course he never got any answers, but at least he asked.

[bluwaters]

Notice of Service of Interrogatories
http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/0131/18608996.pdf

Changing the subject here, and then I've go to go...

I am very interested in the questionnaire that ZFG's attorneys have drawn up for Casey to answer.

What will she do?

As I understand it, she must answer and cannot use the 5th Amendment due to her counter-suit against ZFG.

Will Baez drop the counter-suit?
Will Casey answer and lie?

My favorite question is:
Were you involved in the death of Caley (sic)?

I do wish that Caylee's name was spelled correctly in the document.
Based on this misspelling, could Casey claim that she does not know Caley?
I just hate this kind of sloppiness in official documents!

[summer4meplz]

I have not heard of that one, please tell me more
please with sugar on top??:wub:



http://www.wftv.com/news/18606881/detail.html

[mdibella]

... some jails have a box of donated clothes for inmates whose families can't or wont' provide clothing for the inmate to wear at trial. Casey's clothes could have come from there.

If the clothes were not Casey's, someone went out and bought them after asking 'what is your size'.

I noticed that the jacket was pretty tight, and she was not wearing the pants at all (still had on her jail pants). Likely she couldn't get into them. She does seem to have put on some weight (not surprising, it's not like she can go out dancing any more to burn off calories)

[CC I See]

I wish that tru tv would have aired that trial..... me too, I am also sorry that the death penalty was removed from sentencing.

[happygert]

... some jails have a box of donated clothes for inmates whose families can't or won't provide clothing for the inmate to wear at trial. Casey's clothes could have come from there.

baez took her the clothes...