Jan 31 Pt I

[Lavenia]

Can only speak for myself but you (plural) also provide me with invaluabe incite into how people think and there are others who help me understand things in other areas. To me that's what nice about these boards. Oh and you are very welcome.

Bolding mine.

See this is where we southerners feel sorry for you non-southerners. Get "ya'll" in your vocabulary and you're good to go. :laugh: (Of course you have to buy a pick-up truck, but, hey!)

Ya'll are a big help to the board! Thanks! :thumbsup:

[Lapis]

Bolding mine.

See this is where we southerners feel sorry for you non-southerners. Get "ya'll" in your vocabulary and you're good to go. :laugh: (Of course you have to buy a pick-up truck, but, hey!)

Ya'll are a big help to the board! Thanks! :thumbsup:

Believe me the Y'all comes out when I've had a few. Its an expression from my youth.

[marshmallow]

A defendant can appeal a conviction on any issue they choose. IMO it will not be successful. It is within the judge's discretion. Judicial discretion will only be overturned upon a showing of abuse. IMO this is not abuse. IMO your instinct is correct.

thank you. that's how I was also leaning.

if Baez did go with the "turned it into a circus" couldn't his defense team going on tv also be construed as loading the clowns into the little car and driving them to the big top? can he protest the media circus when ring three's being run by Todd Black with a whip and a chair?

[aubrey04]

Can only speak for myself but you (plural) also provide me with invaluabe incite into how people think and there are others who help me understand things in other areas. To me that's what nice about these boards. Oh and you are very welcome.

You're a class act, Lapis. Thanks for your posts! :patriot:

[Januarybaby]

Originally Posted by KKKKKKatie
Bold is mine....

"I have been reading a lot of going back and forth about this since yesterday. I have a question....say it is an appealable(is that a word? lol) issue. It couldn't be enough to overturn a conviction could it? How could Baez argue that Casey being in court everyday was harmful to her case?? It doesn't make sense IMO"



I think Strickland is correct in making her be there and face everything she has caused, but I also figure that if shes not there they shouldnt be able to appeal it since Baez as her lawyer should be informing her on everything that goes on. I am saying this as an opinion not a fact.

However, if that were the case and she wasnt informed by Baez she could claim inadequate counsel. Then I think she could get a new trial. Not sure.

[Neffy]

We don't, and we were wondering about that earlier. Hopefully those of you with the stomach to watch will let the rest of us know what your best guess is, lol.

ROFLMAO! No heavy meals before hand is a good idea. It should be quite laughable. Besides it good joke material for later references when walking down memory lane on this case.

[playnice]

I bet if they let me borrow Casey today I could get her to talk. We had the winter storm. Its thawing and ice sickles (Big Ones That Look Like Swords) are falling everywhere. I could stand her under a tree for awhile and she would talk.

[3Monkeys]

I sometimes get these mixed up myself but I'll try:

File created: the date the image was saved as an image file, whether on a memory stick or harddrive.
Last accessed: Last time someone viewed it on the pc
Last modified: Any changes made to it, such as converting the file to a different format, or touching it up with imaging programs.


I like your theory about her hair. I was going to suggest that maybe her ponytail holder got scattered when the bag was disturbed and her remains scattered, but her hair was attached to the duct tape, and I'm picturing long neat locks of hair, not a mess that had gotten scattered as time passed.

Of course it could have been just that she was tired and took her own hair down. The first thing my little girl does when she knows she is home for the day is yank her ponytail holders out, and kick off her shoes and socks.

THANK you for responding.... I thought my post was going to get lost in.... well, just lost... lol.

Okay, what you're stating supports what I was thinking... that the image was saved to the computer around 3:28 PM on June 17th.

Now I'm on my way to jumping to the conclusion that Casey had access to the camera (or it's memory card) at that time. Did she go home then? Wasn't this around the time she was making the flurry of phone calls home? Anyone want to speculate along with me?

Yeah - I could NOT sleep last night thinking about this case - and lack of ponytail holder at the remains site was something that just seemed a bit out of place.... not that it proves/disproves anything. The boards didn't IMO get a chance to really get deep into the last doc release with GA being admitted to the hospital.

[Neffy]

I hadn't thought that far, actually. I mean, it hadn't occurred to me that Baez might try to make an appellate issue out of Casey being "forced" to attend her hearings.

I can't answer your question. I do know that Baez's objection to Casey being there is the "media circus" that surrounds her appearances. He seems concerned about the "circus" tainting potential jurors. I can't connect the dots, myself. Can't imagine a report on the length of her hair is going to sway a jury more than 1,000's of pages of documents of evidence of her crime.

Either Lapis or Katprint (sorry guys) IIRC posted it to the board. It is NOT going to be appealable. Some people are just reading what they want to apply. Bottom line was it's up to the Judge's discretion.

Haites will freeze over before that appeal will float.

[VC2]

Thank goodness we have these boards to post on...My DH is tired of me trying to drag him into conversations about this case. I would absolutely be "floored" if Cindy implied that Casey may be guilty...However, since BC said (yesterday in court) that G&C love and support Casey, I doubt that anything will change in regards to the same old mantra....Casey is a victim, innocent, ect...mo

is there a link to his statement? i wanted to read the whole thing.

however i would hope that as parents they love and support their daughter even if they think she is guilty. I have never understood parents who stop loving and supporting their child no matter what they do. Doesn't mean that caysey should be free.

[aubrey04]

thank you. that's how I was also leaning.

if Baez did go with the "turned it into a circus" couldn't his defense team going on tv also be construed as loading the clowns into the little car and driving them to the big top? can he protest the media circus when ring three's being run by Todd Black with a whip and a chair?

This wasn't addressed to me but I want to respond. Isn't going to be hard for Jose Baez to argue the whole "circus" argument when the prosecution tried to get the judge to issue a gag order and Baez fought against the gag order?

jmo

[marshmallow]

lol! And when he objected to the gag order the prosecution wanted imposed? Can't remember what the gag order was supposed to cover, exactly, but Jose can't have it both ways. imo



my thinking too.

[Lavenia]

Believe me the Y'all comes out when I've had a few. Its an expression from my youth.

See that's the only reason I say it. It's my youth. :laugh:

When does the prosecution HAVE to make the DP decision? I would think that should have been decided by this stage. If I was a defendant, I would want to be able to have my defense with that in my strategy. I realize she should already have that in her strategy, but one can't deny the reality WILL change things, IMO.

[Lavenia]

ROFLMAO! No heavy meals before hand is a good idea. It should be quite laughable. Besides it good joke material for later references when walking down memory lane on this case.

Ah yes. The night the planets collided. :laugh:

[Katprint]

I'm hoping death by a thousand paper cuts. :laugh:
Well, divine retribution might cause that Bible that Casey claims to be reading all day, every day (while huddling under the covers in bed and praying, as described in the jailhouse conversations with Cindy) to inflict such an injury. "...for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." (Romans 12:19)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[RiverWalk]

When did GR and JB go for the float on the boat together please?

Uploaded on Aug. 22. I am NOT watching this one again. GAG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OLOhoV8mE

[Neffy]

Just to clear up another point of confusion, to my knowledge the board was not shut down this morning. The first thread of the day was inadvertently closed. Another was started immediately. It happens routinely, lots of threads to keep track of. The end.

Krrrect! :laugh:

[Gilly]

Don't know an exact date, but it was during the summer, not too terribly long after the case broke. IIRC, Casey was out on bail at the time and Lenny's RV was parked in front of the A's home. So whatever time frame that was, was when GR and his BFF were yachting together.

Thanks so much.
I'll back track and see if I can figure it out. I cannot understand why they were at odds and now they are BFF's. Tonights show should be interesting. I don't get it on tv here but I'm sure someone here will give updates. Suits me fine as I can't stand to watch him :laugh:

[Kathlb]

There will definitely be no appeal-able issue with Casey being ordered to attend her own hearings by Judge Strickland so that she knows what's going on in her case. Especially with her lawyer stating that he "tells her what she needs to know". That's a given. Judge Strickland is protecting her rights and anyone who sees that as appeal-able is misinformed on the law. The judge is experienced in these matters, after all, he has been a judge for many years unlike ANY of us, and he knows what he should do to protect the charged and the court.

I too appreciate any input from the people here with law backgrounds. It's invaluable to us who are just lay people. So thanks from here too. ;-)

[*MoonRider*]

When did GR and JB go for the float on the boat together please?

I don't know the exact date but Casey was bailed out by LP on 8/21

This was on Fox on 8/22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OLOhoV8mE
Boat footage.

I think during the 8/14 jailhouse video G & C mention that Jose was in NY. Casey mentions she wasn't supposed to take their visit. I think Jose was on the boat right before she was released. moo

[Januarybaby]

January,

You misinterpreted my post #555. I do not agree that Casey's appearances in court are a valid appellate issue, for any reason. Just the opposite. I think Jose's objection is entirely frivolous and just more whining from him, really.

Just to clarify.


LOL I have learned to turn Baez's whining off. I figure if there is something worth listening to from him Ill read it here. People make more sense here then he does himself.:laugh:

[Lapis]

See that's the only reason I say it. It's my youth. :laugh:

When does the prosecution HAVE to make the DP decision? I would think that should have been decided by this stage. If I was a defendant, I would want to be able to have my defense with that in my strategy. I realize she should already have that in her strategy, but one can't deny the reality WILL change things, IMO.

I'm not an attorney in Florida. IIRC they had a certain number of days after the filing of charges to make the decision. I cannot recall the number sorry. Since these charges were filed on October 14, 2008 the time would run from that date. Since its already been over 90 days I would think that boat has sailed but I could be wrong. JMO

[aubrey04]

THANK you for responding.... I thought my post was going to get lost in.... well, just lost... lol.

Okay, what you're stating supports what I was thinking... that the image was saved to the computer around 3:28 PM on June 17th.

Now I'm on my way to jumping to the conclusion that Casey had access to the camera (or it's memory card) at that time. Did she go home then? Wasn't this around the time she was making the flurry of phone calls home? Anyone want to speculate along with me?

Yeah - I could NOT sleep last night thinking about this case - and lack of ponytail holder at the remains site was something that just seemed a bit out of place.... not that it proves/disproves anything. The boards didn't IMO get a chance to really get deep into the last doc release with GA being admitted to the hospital.

IIRC, the flurry of phonecalls was on the 16th. I have a google spreadsheet saved that someone else made. Here is the link:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=1

I think Caylee died on the 16th though, not the 17th.. Also, the images were uploaded to the laptop computer so Casey could have been anywhere when those images were uploaded..

It looks like she was near the Anthony home though at around 3pm on the 17th though.. I dunno?

[aubrey04]

Krrrect! :laugh:

You tryin' to sound like Linda Kenney Baden? :w00t:

[Januarybaby]

I'm not an attorney in Florida. IIRC they had a certain number of days after the filing of charges to make the decision. I cannot recall the number sorry. Since these charges were filed on October 14, 2008 the time would run from that date. Since its already been over 90 days I would think that boat has sailed but I could be wrong. JMO

Isnt the only thing that doesnt fall into statute of limitations murder?
I am sking cuz Im not sure.

[Kathlb]

January,

You misinterpreted my post #555. I do not agree that Casey's appearances in court are a valid appellate issue, for any reason. Just the opposite. I think Jose's objection is entirely frivolous and just more whining from him, really.

Just to clarify.

Jose has that whining down to a fine art. Maybe that's on his curriculum of teaching. :laugh:

[Lapis]

Isnt the only thing that doesnt fall into statute of limitations murder?
I am sking cuz Im not sure.

Yes, but once the charges are filed they only have a certain number of days to make a decision on the DP.

[5boxersmom]

I don't know the exact date but Casey was bailed out by LP on 8/21

This was on Fox on 8/22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OLOhoV8mE
Boat footage.

I think during the 8/14 jailhouse video G & C mention that Jose was in NY. Casey mentions she wasn't supposed to take their visit. I think Jose was on the boat right before she was released. moo

Didn't Lenny say someone from NY contacted him about bailing Casey out? Lenny has never been on Geraldo's show has he?

hmmmm

[?noanswer]

I'm not an attorney in Florida. IIRC they had a certain number of days after the filing of charges to make the decision. I cannot recall the number sorry. Since these charges were filed on October 14, 2008 the time would run from that date. Since its already been over 90 days I would think that boat has sailed but I could be wrong. JMO

I'm not an attorney anywhere, but I have heard some TH/guest say they can put the DP back on the table anytime up until the trial begins. I don't have any idea if this is true. JMO

[Neffy]

You tryin' to sound like Linda Kenney Baden? :w00t:

Makes your hair stand on end don't it! :w00t:

[Januarybaby]

On this one I agree. Sometimes he needs to learn to keep his trap shut and keep his hands off his client. And his eyes.

Hmmm....6 hours a day every day in his office. Wonder if he kept anything else to himself. They seem a bit too "close" for me in client laywer situation.

[Lapis]

I'm not an attorney anywhere, but I have heard some TH/guest say they can put the DP back on the table anytime up until the trial begins. I don't have any idea if this is true. JMO

Now you're gonna make me do the research LOL

[Gilly]

I don't know the exact date but Casey was bailed out by LP on 8/21

This was on Fox on 8/22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OLOhoV8mE
Boat footage.

I think during the 8/14 jailhouse video G & C mention that Jose was in NY. Casey mentions she wasn't supposed to take their visit. I think Jose was on the boat right before she was released. moo

Thank you very much.

[Lavenia]

Makes your hair stand on end don't it! :w00t:

Or turn yellow. :scared:

[3Monkeys]

IIRC, the flurry of phonecalls was on the 16th. I have a google spreadsheet saved that someone else made. Here is the link:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p6Pnw95vqOo-MgZ7Vsp9pYg&gid=1

I think Caylee died on the 16th though, not the 17th.. Also, the images were uploaded to the laptop computer so Casey could have been anywhere when those images were uploaded..

It looks like she was near the Anthony home though at around 3pm on the 17th though.. I dunno?

Thanks Aubrey,

I'll admit I get very confused with this... so thanks for your input.

I do understand that the pictures could be uploaded to Myspace from Casey's computer, from anywhere. What I am trying to figure out is when they were uploaded to her computer from the camera. Again, this could be done from any place, as long as the camera (or its card) are in the same vicinity.

I'm just trying to prove/disprove my theory that the pictures were uploaded from the camera to the computer at the Anthony home at 3:28 PM on June 17th, placing Casey there at that time.

Maybe I'm incorrect in assuming that because Cindy took those pictures with the GGF, Cindy actually owns that camera and it would have been at her house on the 17th.... if the Camera was with Casey all along, then yeah, there goes my theory. :smile:

Oh, and I too believe Caylee was murdered on the 16th. As I said earlier, my opinion is that she was murdered in her bed while she slept... but my theory is based only on that no ponytail holder was found at the crime scene.

[Januarybaby]

Or turn yellow. :scared:

I went from red to white just from this case. I figure it should all fall out by me ripping it out by the end of the trial.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by 3Monkeys

SNIPPED......

The boards didn't IMO get a chance to really get deep into the last doc release with GA being admitted to the hospital.

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Mission accomplished, George. JMO

[Gilly]

Uploaded on Aug. 22. I am NOT watching this one again. GAG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2OLOhoV8mE

Thanks. I'll bite the bullet and watch it :laugh:

[Januarybaby]

Yes, and I think it was highly inappropriate when he knew that he was in a fishbowl and that reporters were all over writing down every single move they were making. He would be very stupid indeed if he did not have his door wide open and a secretary within earshot. I have seen clients make accusations founded or otherwise, when a door is closed and a case goes left field out of sheer spitework. It's very damning and dangerous. I read somewhere that he said she was reading law books and spending time going over her case, but somehow I get the impression that there is more there than meets the eye. Either way, it was inappropriate.

We dont know the particulars ( unless I missed something) in who complained about him to the board. He denies it, but I keep wondering if someone complained about his all day visits with her.

ANother ploy? Maybe. If he is taken off the case, then she gets a new lawyer, everything starts over from point 1 and delays her trial even more.

[nana2]

We dont know the particulars ( unless I missed something) in who complained about him to the board. He denies it, but I keep wondering if someone complained about his all day visits with her.

ANother ploy? Maybe. If he is taken off the case, then she gets a new lawyer, everything starts over from point 1 and delays her trial even more.

I personally dont see how he has progressed much on her case anyway, other than copying the states witness list and wanting their (states) work product..

mo... starting over would not be a bad idea (for Caysee) nor should it delay and might actually even help get this case to trial sooner

[Januarybaby]

Well, I am off to spend time with kids, everyone have a great day and hope to see you guys later.

[WillowInFlight]

I personally dont see how he has progressed much on her case anyway, other than copying the states witness list and wanting their (states) work product..

mo... starting over would not be a bad idea (for Caysee) nor should it delay and might actually even help get this case to trial sooner

What purpose does it serve for him to be calling the same witness's as the state?, when the states calls them he does have a chance to question them then, so I guess I'm confused.

[VC2]

I agree. Nothing fits. There's a reason for that. Not sure why yet. If the pieces of the puzzle don't fit together nicely, we will have a hung jury. JMO.

So, I play devils advocate and hope someone can make some sense of this case. Nothing is working for me yet. JMO.

dunnie all the pieces fit well for me, but it takes KISS and imo looking at Cindy and George as parents/grandparents desperate to believe caylee was alive, who handled things wrongly bc they are a dysfunctional family as many are but not out of any big conspiracy to deliberately save caysee over caylee or part of a plot to cover up etc. Just desperate people in a desperate situation who made wrong decisions but were in total denial after the first finding of the car etc bc it was to much to accept. Any lie of caysee's was better than the alternative until caylee's body was found. That they are unlikeable is something i completely agree with, but that doesn't mean they can't have the same need to believe caylee was alive than any other grandparent might. Their lies though are all rooted in that need which then makes them far more understandable if morally wrong.

If you do that then many of the statements that seem confusing are simply what they are. Some are true, some aren't some are a result of not remembering clearly 31 days back, since they were in touch with caysee most days by phone or text and thought she was just punishing them.

Like the dates, imo there was no purpose to lie about which day caysee left, they either misremembered or they told the truth but nothing sinister. George seeing caysee and caylee leave, well it was a month later and he might well have thought that was the last day or that caylee was wearing xyz etc or he was trying to be very specific so he didn't say 'i haven't a clue' and look bad. It also could be the truth, he remembered bc it was the last time he saw them.

I also put down to Baez many of the beliefs that the gps had/have. If you are desperate to find your granddaughter and not believe your daughter could have hurt her, caysees attorney saying that his investigator found this or knows where the kidnappers are etc. is believed fervently and instantly to prove that her story is true.

Same with caysee. a dead caylee, panic calls to parents but then realized she doesn't want to get into trouble and have to deal with consequences so she hides the body etc. Be it murder, in anger or overdose of a drug, be it accident i think that using KISS theory the fact she is a sociopathic creep answers most of the confusing facts/behaviors and they fit the puzzle. Its only when trying to make everything more than it is that it becomes hard to bring together into one piece.

geraldos interview tonight, if it is a new one, then i just accept that cindy is a very different person than i am, one with a huge need to control and whose life has spiraled out of control so she makes bizarre and idiotic choices to try and put it together.

Duct tape and heart sticker? caysee could do that considering she is imo evil and twisted. doesnt make it any huge meaning, just like the killers who put things on or around a victims body afterwards that make no rational sense. Doesnt prove premed to me or accident, proves caysee is a sociopath.

jmo
p.s. the only one that i really don't have a feeling for as per involvement/belief etc. is Lee. he is a cipher to me. I still think tho that the trial will show things are not as strange as they seem now.

[nana2]

What purpose does it serve for him to be calling the same witness's as the state?, when the states calls them he does have a chance to question them then, so I guess I'm confused.

I have no idea willow and wonder if he even has a plan himself??

[Neffy]

What purpose does it serve for him to be calling the same witness's as the state?, when the states calls them he does have a chance to question them then, so I guess I'm confused.

That was my line off thought also. I mean he has cross on the same witness's when the state is done is he going to parade them back up again? What's up with that?

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by WillowInFlight
What purpose does it serve for him to be calling the same witness's as the state?, when the states calls them he does have a chance to question them then, so I guess I'm confused.

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He will try to discredit their testamony. Good luck, JB. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

That was my line off thought also. I mean he has cross on the same witness's when the state is done is he going to parade them back up again? What's up with that?

Oh thank God, I thought it was just me. I have been working with numbers all day. :cursing:

[nana2]

Originally Posted by WillowInFlight
What purpose does it serve for him to be calling the same witness's as the state?, when the states calls them he does have a chance to question them then, so I guess I'm confused.

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He will try to discredit their testamony. Good luck, JB. jmo

but he can do that on cross like every other defense atty...I am confused as well with his "logic"

[happygert]

OMG just listened to one of the old videos of cindy and she's lying right thru her teeth... She said casey never talked to 911 ......she right on tpae talking to them...cindy sure taught casey well....cindy is just s much as strangers to the truth as casey is...every time there mouths opens it's all lies.....POOR Caylee she never had a chance from day one...

[Neffy]

Oh thank God, I thought it was just me. I have been working with numbers all day. :cursing:

I think it's a way of averting the elephant in the room. Which in this case is for Baez to come out with it and say. NO WITNESS'S YOUR HONOR :laugh:

[nana2]

I think it's a way of averting the elephant in the room. Which in this case is for Baez to come out with it and say. NO WITNESS'S YOUR HONOR :laugh:

if Baez remains Primary Counsel there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the defendent will be entitled to a new trial

[WillowInFlight]

if Baez remains Primary Counsel there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the defendent will be entitled to a new trial

That is my biggest fear Nana.

[nana2]

That is my biggest fear Nana.

mine too but I also have no doubt that she will be convicted (each time)

[Neffy]

if Baez remains Primary Counsel there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that the defendent will be entitled to a new trial

I never understood why if he is lead council why LKB submitted that motion without a Baez signature. Was this due to the nature of it and he didn't want to appear pompous?

As far as the witness's go granted on cross you can't open doors that weren't already open but what in all that is holy could he possibly want to parade the same people back on the stand again. I mean the prosecutors will then cross and it's going to be a circus.

I know and have seen this happens with a few people during a trial. The kicker is I've never seen EVERYONE save 2 on the same list of this magnitude. Geez.

[dixie77]

but he can do that on cross like every other defense atty...I am confused as well on his "logic"
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Hi Nana.........i dont think JB deals in logic. He doesnt know which way to turn with this case and has no defense. He wants to win so bad he can taste it.
I'm wondering about something..........If the DP is put back on the table and when the jury hears this case, lets say a couple of them really think that Casey is mentally sick, what woud happen if these people dont go for the DP? jmo

[Unperson1984]

but he can do that on cross like every other defense atty...I am confused as well with his "logic"

Cross examination is suppose to be confined to the witness's direct examination. By calling them as a defense witness he can go beyond the areas explored during direct.

[5boxersmom]

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Hi Nana.........i dont think JB deals in logic. He doesnt know which way to turn with this case and has no defense. He wants to win so bad he can taste it.
I'm wondering about something..........If the DP is put back on the table and when the jury hears this case, lets say a couple of them really think that Casey is mentally sick, what woud happen if these people dont go for the DP? jmo

Don't they only have 45 days to put the DP back on the table? Is that from when they took it off? If so has it been 45 days?

[nana2]

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Hi Nana.........i dont think JB deals in logic. He doesnt know which way to turn with this case and has no defense. He wants to win so bad he can taste it.
I'm wondering about something..........If the DP is put back on the table and when the jury hears this case, lets say a couple of them really think that Casey is mentally sick, what woud happen if these people dont go for the DP? jmo

hopefully then lwop which I normally prefer but with this defendent I dont think she will ever suffer from remorse

*Hi Dixie ltns

[nana2]

Cross examination is suppose to be confined to the witness's direct examination. By calling them as a defense witness he can go beyond the areas explored during direct.

true true...point taken

[Neffy]

Cross examination is suppose to be confined to the witness's direct examination. By calling them as a defense witness he can go beyond the areas explored during direct.

I can already hear alot of objections for questions asked and answered.
Rephrase another objection again asked and answered around and around we go.

Just want to reiterate it isn't 1 or 2 people. It's everyone on the pros list except for 2.

[happygert]

Don't they only have 45 days to put the DP back on the table? Is that from when they took it off? If so has it been 45 days?

Im sure it has been because it's been 41 days today that Caylee's remains were released. and she was found 11 days before that..

And yet she lays in a cardboard box in a cooler......

[Januarybaby]

I really dont think I want to see Casey get the DP. I usually am for it when warranted but I still say it would hurt her way more for the next 50 yrs to sit there with no friends, no partying, no shopping, no pc and NO CELL PHONE.

By the looks of her, the time she has spent there already is taking a toll on her.

[Unperson1984]

I can already hear alot of objections for questions asked and answered.
Rephrase another objection again asked and answered around and around we go.

Just want to reiterate it isn't 1 or 2 people. It's everyone on the pros list except for 2.

By making them defense witnesses he avoids the "beyond the scope of direct" objection.

[dixie77]

hopefully then lwop which I normally prefer but with this defendent I dont think she will ever suffer from remorse

*Hi Dixie ltns
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Ok..............lets take my question a step further...........lets say they dont go for the DP. When the jurors listen to all of the evidence, and there is one or two of them that really think Casey is mentally sick, can they still go for LWOP? I cant remember if John Couey was found to be mentally sick.

[VC2]

And the State has a long way to go before I would vote guilty. So, in essence, an impartial jury could be found. We don't know all the evidence yet. Even though we think we are smarter than the average bear. LOL.

me too dunnie. Not that i have any doubt that caysee is guilty in some manner of the death of caylee but i could not vote murder 1 at this point.

In some ways this reminds me of the Durst case. The after behavior was so bizarre, so wrong, cutting up the body and then disposing of it and the defendant himself was about as unlikeable and weird a charachter around but the state never did prove murder 1 and because they were stupid enough to only have that one charge and no lesser the jury acquitted. On the face of it the case was a slam dunk but it really wasn't, the defense had a good argument for manslaughter.

It is one reason that i don't see the DP put back on the table and imo this prosecution will ensure that there is at least murder2 available for the jury.

agree with others that her partying for 31 days and not reporting caylee missing will likely put the nail in her coffin but not if the defense can show that is exactly the sort of behavior that an emotionally immature and stunted person could do without it being a premeditated crime.

course baez is as incompetent as they come imo and won't use that sort of defense so in that way there is no parallel bw the two cases.

I really really believe that the best thing LKB could do for Caysee is leave the case. Not bc she is incompetent, in fact no matter how much ppl hate her she is very competent and thats the problem. Caysee has an extremely good argument for incompetent counsel if Baez is the attorney but lkb balances that. If she left the case then caysee is in good shape for appeal.

course i also believe baez and caysee had some hanky panky going on judging by his in ability to keep his hands off her and her ability to use sex to bring some men to their knees. He is stupid bc he should know that even if there wasn't that there is enough on tape including jail warnings about his behavior that if she accused him it will be hard slogging. "his girl" will throw him under the bus so fast he won't even notice he has been crushed til its over.

IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

I think it's a way of averting the elephant in the room. Which in this case is for Baez to come out with it and say. NO WITNESS'S YOUR HONOR :laugh:

Don't forget, he probably presents this to CASEY in a whole different light. :rolleyes:

She's probably got DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR about who is coming to help her vs who will be sinking her boat. My guess is she thinks he has done all that cultivating of witnesses by himself. :wub: She looks at him with love in her eyes IMHOO.

Remember, Amy is the only one she sent an apology to VIA CINDY which imo INSURES it was never done.

[Neffy]

By making them defense witnesses he avoids the "beyond the scope of direct" objection.

That's what I'd said. To clarify I can't see to much being beyond the scope that Baez can ask. 30 something people he has different questions for?

IMO there going to be the same questions that he WANTS to elicit a different answer from. It's not going to happen. Again I can see it going into a circus atmosphere all amounting to the Pros standing up objecting citing asked and answered.

[nana2]

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Ok..............lets take my question a step further...........lets say they dont go for the DP. When the jurors listen to all of the evidence, and there is one or two of them that really think Casey is mentally sick, can they still go for LWOP? I cant remember if John Couey was found to be mentally sick.

if I understand your question..yes, because insanity is the only thing that plays a role in as far as mental illness (as far as "getting off") and we know that she is/was not insane because when she concealed the death and secreted the body she exhibited that she knew the difference between right and wrong (a qualifer for criminal insanity)

[dixie77]

if I understand your question..yes, because insanity is the only thing that plays a role in as far as mental illness (as far as "getting off") and we know that she is/was not insane because when she concealed the death and secreted the body she exhibited that she knew the difference between right and wrong (a qualifer for criminal insanity)
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Thanks, Nana. I hope the Judge explains this to the jury before they deliberate.

[CANDYKISSES]

OMG just listened to one of the old videos of cindy and she's lying right thru her teeth... She said casey never talked to 911 ......she right on tpae talking to them...cindy sure taught casey well....cindy is just s much as strangers to the truth as casey is...every time there mouths opens it's all lies.....POOR Caylee she never had a chance from day one...

Gerty, you know Cindy and Casey delight in being so much alike. :biggrin:

She learned from the best IMO.

Oh, how I can imagine she's going to present her new persona of poor victim made villain and of course you know GR will not remind her of all her outrageous attacks on the public. JMO:mad:

I wonder if he will ask her about the MEMORIAL FOR CAYLEE and when the remains of that beautiful little girl can finally be laid to rest. :crying:

[Januarybaby]

"I don't think JB deals in logic". I don't want to use the bold so I just copies that, I hope you don't mind. I want to try to respond. The only thing I can think of is if that if he lists them as his witnesses, then he is not limited to asking questions on cross examination of statements that they made on direct. It gives him a leeway to ask whatever he wants. And if that is his reasoning behind it, then that is extremely clever. That being said, the only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if Florida has that Rule about being allowed to depose each others witnesses in a criminal case, then he would not have to be concerned over leeway at the time of the trial. He can ask all he wants in a deposition. Why bother.

Kinda like letting the prosecution deal with the burden of witnesses, then he can just come in and ask what he wants when something doesnt suit him?

[nana2]

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Thanks, Nana. I hope the Judge explains this to the jury before they deliberate.

np and he will.. so will the prosecution

moo

[marshmallow]

Don't forget, he probably presents this to CASEY in a whole different light. :rolleyes:

She's probably got DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR about who is coming to help her vs who will be sinking her boat. My guess is she thinks he has done all that cultivating of witnesses by himself. :wub: She looks at him with love in her eyes IMHOO.

Remember, Amy is the only one she sent an apology to VIA CINDY which imo INSURES it was never done.



I think the apology to Amy was only to hopefully ward off Amy filing charges. After all, no one else ever did when Casey said "oh sorry".

[Neffy]

Don't forget, he probably presents this to CASEY in a whole different light. :rolleyes:

She's probably got DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR about who is coming to help her vs who will be sinking her boat. My guess is she thinks he has done all that cultivating of witnesses by himself. :wub: She looks at him with love in her eyes IMHOO.

Remember, Amy is the only one she sent an apology to VIA CINDY which imo INSURES it was never done.

ROFL! Without a doubt he's her everything! This reminds me of the brainwash or slave technique I'm not sure what the term is. But when you cut off someone's access to everyone but one person and that person is your sole connect to the outside world this seems to be barbaric.

I'm probably not saying it right but hopefully you get the gist.

[CelticDawn]

I understand why defense attorney's are a necessary component of our legal system and further understand how the system would not work without them. Additionally I understand about providing alternative theories and making the state prove their case................JUST LIKE WE NEED SNAKES TO EAT RATS....I don't particularly like either of them.

[5boxersmom]

Im sure it has been because it's been 41 days today that Caylee's remains were released. and she was found 11 days before that..

And yet she lays in a cardboard box in a cooler......

41 days wow. :sad:

Does the funeral home charge for that? For everyday the remains are kept there I wonder.

[Januarybaby]

I think the apology to Amy was only to hopefully ward off Amy filing charges. After all, no one else ever did when Casey said "oh sorry".

The one thing we never heard out of Caseys mouth which makes a HUGE difference to me is " I didnt kill Caylee".

She has said alot of things but those 4 words never came from her mouth.

[Lapis]

Okay, for those of you wondering about the Death Penalty. Based on the very limited research I have done, the state is to give notice of DP w/in 45 days of arraignment, but failure to file a timely notice will not preclude the state from seeking the DP. (I kid you not that is what the Rules say. My best guess is that they do not want to preclude the state if the notice is a few days late. I doubt that the state can come in the day before trial and say "We've decided to seek the death penalty.")

As a practical matter, there are very specific rules regarding attorneys permitted to try a death penalty case. In my quick reading, JB does not qualify as lead counsel. (The first qualification is a minimum of 5 years practicing law.) So the state has to give notice so death qualified counsel can be obtained.

Since this is my interpretation of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure its all JMO

[marshmallow]

Okay, for those of you wondering about the Death Penalty. Based on the very limited research I have done, the state is to give notice of DP w/in 45 days of arraignment, but failure to file a timely notice will not preclude the state from seeking the DP. (I kid you not that is what the Rules say. My best guess is that they do not want to preclude the state if the notice is a few days late. I doubt that the state can come in the day before trial and say "We've decided to seek the death penalty.")

As a practical matter, there are very specific rules regarding attorneys permitted to try a death penalty case. In my quick reading, JB does not qualify as lead counsel. (The first qualification is a minimum of 5 years practicing law.) So the state has to give notice so death qualified counsel can be obtained.

Since this is my interpretation of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure its all JMO





do you think it's wiser to not seek the death penalty?

in my mind it is.
1. a jury may not want to sentence such a young person to death
2. not seeking it keeps Baez in the driver's seat of the clown car

[Januarybaby]

Okay, for those of you wondering about the Death Penalty. Based on the very limited research I have done, the state is to give notice of DP w/in 45 days of arraignment, but failure to file a timely notice will not preclude the state from seeking the DP. (I kid you not that is what the Rules say. My best guess is that they do not want to preclude the state if the notice is a few days late. I doubt that the state can come in the day before trial and say "We've decided to seek the death penalty.")

As a practical matter, there are very specific rules regarding attorneys permitted to try a death penalty case. In my quick reading, JB does not qualify as lead counsel. (The first qualification is a minimum of 5 years practicing law.) So the state has to give notice so death qualified counsel can be obtained.

Since this is my interpretation of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure its all JMO

It makes sense not being able to walk in the day before and say DP. The defense does have the right to prepare for what they are looking at and to make sure they have qualified counsel...right?

[CANDYKISSES]

I think the apology to Amy was only to hopefully ward off Amy filing charges. After all, no one else ever did when Casey said "oh sorry".


You're probably right. Please take note, we have never even seen her speak about the HELL her grandparents are living through considering their age. :angry: She is a real piece of work but I'll bet she's always thankful for :loveeyes:Jose and sucks up to him big time.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Gerty, you know Cindy and Casey delight in being so much alike. :biggrin:

She learned from the best IMO.

Oh, how I can imagine she's going to present her new persona of poor victim made villain and of course you know GR will not remind her of all her outrageous attacks on the public. JMO:mad:

I wonder if he will ask her about the MEMORIAL FOR CAYLEE and when the remains of that beautiful little girl can finally be laid to rest. :crying:

Set Geraldo aside, ignore which side of the legal bar GR rests on today. Why is CinA going before the media? The family has a spokesman/legal representative who speaks almost daily, IMO. Didn't CinA promise NOT to speak until after Caylee's services? Is CinA's appearance driven by a financial motive or a motive to improve upon her family's image? Did CinA want to announce the final memorial plans and someone else released the news early? IMO, in a few hours we MAY have a better idea.
jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Don't forget, he probably presents this to CASEY in a whole different light. :rolleyes:

She's probably got DELUSIONS of GRANDEUR about who is coming to help her vs who will be sinking her boat. My guess is she thinks he has done all that cultivating of witnesses by himself. :wub: She looks at him with love in her eyes IMHOO.

Remember, Amy is the only one she sent an apology to VIA CINDY which imo INSURES it was never done.

Now, now Candy you know Casey told Cindy to tell Zanny she forgives her. :sneaky:

[Januarybaby]

do you think it's wiser to not seek the death penalty?

in my mind it is.
1. a jury may not want to sentence such a young person to death
2. not seeking it keeps Baez in the driver's seat of the clown car

#1 is between a rock and a hard place. your correct they may see putting such a young person to death is wrong but other jurors may see it as if shes that spiteful Good Lord forbid she ever gets out and has more children.

I think one of the stipulations for the DP is to take into consideration if she will ever in her lifetime be a danger to others again.

[AlohaRainbow]

Bolding mine.

See this is where we southerners feel sorry for you non-southerners. Get "ya'll" in your vocabulary and you're good to go. :laugh: (Of course you have to buy a pick-up truck, but, hey!)

Ya'll are a big help to the board! Thanks! :thumbsup:
hmm... a tall texan told me to use "ya'll" when addressing one person.... and to use "all ya'll" when addressing more than one :)

looking forward to geraldo tonight - hope it's obvious by the content/context when the "exclusive" interview with cindy took place.

[5boxersmom]

Set Geraldo aside, ignore which side of the legal bar GR rests on today. Why is CinA going before the media? The family has a spokesman/legal representative who speaks almost daily, IMO. Didn't CinA promise NOT to speak until after Caylee's services? Is CinA's appearance driven by a financial motive or a motive to improve upon her family's image? Did CinA want to announce the final memorial plans and someone else released the news early? IMO, in a few hours we MAY have a better idea.
jmo

Do you think maybe Geraldo is going to play an old interview with Cindy? Just doing this to get us to watch?

jmo

[Neffy]

Okay, for those of you wondering about the Death Penalty. Based on the very limited research I have done, the state is to give notice of DP w/in 45 days of arraignment, but failure to file a timely notice will not preclude the state from seeking the DP. (I kid you not that is what the Rules say. My best guess is that they do not want to preclude the state if the notice is a few days late. I doubt that the state can come in the day before trial and say "We've decided to seek the death penalty.")

As a practical matter, there are very specific rules regarding attorneys permitted to try a death penalty case. In my quick reading, JB does not qualify as lead counsel. (The first qualification is a minimum of 5 years practicing law.) So the state has to give notice so death qualified counsel can be obtained.

Since this is my interpretation of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure its all JMO

The DP attorney who was on the case when it was still on the table was Terence M. Lenamon. After it was taken off no need for him anymore.

I don't see it coming back but "IF" it does would he be bound by anything to return. Not that I think he's a great attorney just wondered if he'd WANT to come back this has become such a big fiasco. For the life of me this is one case I wouldn't touch if I were an attorney so I don't know what the draw is for people offering there services to. I don't think the publicity being given is a good thing.

[marshmallow]

Set Geraldo aside, ignore which side of the legal bar GR rests on today. Why is CinA going before the media? The family has a spokesman/legal representative who speaks almost daily, IMO. Didn't CinA promise NOT to speak until after Caylee's services? Is CinA's appearance driven by a financial motive or a motive to improve upon her family's image? Did CinA want to announce the final memorial plans and someone else released the news early? IMO, in a few hours we MAY have a better idea.
jmo



I think she wants to try to fix her family image after the People article. How they are perceived seems very important to Cindy. SHe will (in my opinion and as a guess) talk about Casey as a loving mother who also mothered her friends, talk about George and Casey's loving relationship and how close Lee and Casey were. She'll paint herself as Caseys BFF, and probably have doves cooing and rainbows over their house daily.

[dixie77]

Or ask a completely different line of questioning and not be limited to what they just testified to. But again, the whole deposition thing kind of moots that. So why is he even bothering?


I guess I am on everyone's ignore, JanuaryBaby. How adult and sophisticated! Amazing.
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You're not on mine. :)

[CANDYKISSES]

Now, now Candy you know Casey told Cindy to tell Zanny she forgives her. :sneaky:

I don't want to tell you what a mess I made here after seeing that Willow. :tongueside:

I forgot about the FORGIVING of the IMAGINARY NANNY as CASEY SITS IN JAIL FOR HER LIKE A GOOD GIRL....:thumbup:

JMO

[marshmallow]

Or ask a completely different line of questioning and not be limited to what they just testified to. But again, the whole deposition thing kind of moots that. So why is he even bothering?


I guess I am on everyone's ignore, JanuaryBaby. How adult and sophisticated! Amazing.



you've guessed wrong, I have no one on ignore.

[Lapis]

do you think it's wiser to not seek the death penalty?

in my mind it is.
1. a jury may not want to sentence such a young person to death
2. not seeking it keeps Baez in the driver's seat of the clown car

I think their orginal logic still applies. They do not have a COD and I don't think they ever will. So while I appreciate your humor on the second, I think the first is probably the stated reason. JMO

[girlspell]

Wow...I must say. Casey looked great in the that power suit. Both my husand and brother in law were over the house. They saw her on TV, and both commented how beautfiul she was. In fact my brother in law said how could anybody that good looking be guilty of a crime! LOL...:scared:

Just goes to show how important looks are in a trial.

[Lapis]

It makes sense not being able to walk in the day before and say DP. The defense does have the right to prepare for what they are looking at and to make sure they have qualified counsel...right?

Very good grasshopper.......

[Neffy]

Set Geraldo aside, ignore which side of the legal bar GR rests on today. Why is CinA going before the media? The family has a spokesman/legal representative who speaks almost daily, IMO. Didn't CinA promise NOT to speak until after Caylee's services? Is CinA's appearance driven by a financial motive or a motive to improve upon her family's image? Did CinA want to announce the final memorial plans and someone else released the news early? IMO, in a few hours we MAY have a better idea.
jmo

OH NO! I never even thought of making the "announcement" as an event she would insist on making herself. OH GEEZ. I'm wincing already as I can see it.

Monetary gain I can also see. Improving their image just isn't in the cards as it's soooooooooo to late.

Great now I have a tic and I didn't even finish with this post yet.

A wincing tic'ing mess. ROFL!

[Januarybaby]

I dont have anyone on ignore and I will never put it on no matter the conversation.

Everyone has an opinion whether I agree or not and I like reading what everyone has to say.

[JLP]

let's face it, Casey is a classic stupid criminal.

She used items from her own home in the commision of a crime. Garbage bags, bedding, duct tape.

Yep she is going to be convicted. I pray they bring back the death penalty. I use to think that she would really suffer is she got life without parole, but the more I think about it, I dont want her to have any thing that might be enjoyable.

[Ladyhawk]

I don't think so, Boxersmom. I think she is ready to come out of hiding and I would not be surprised if she has her attorney right next to her during this interview. I think Cindy is having somewhat a change of heart here. Just a hunch.

You might be right about the change of heart but even if she exhibits signs of a change, how would anyone be able to tell if it was genuine after her past behavior.

[Neffy]

you've guessed wrong, I have no one on ignore.

I keep getting the Ol Yosemite Sam routine (thanks you know who) LOL!

[nana2]

I think she wants to try to fix her family image after the People article. How they are perceived seems very important to Cindy. SHe will (in my opinion and as a guess) talk about Casey as a loving mother who also mothered her friends, talk about George and Casey's loving relationship and how close Lee and Casey were. She'll paint herself as Caseys BFF, and probably have doves cooing and rainbows over their house daily.

yes public perception of her family is very important to Cindy, I feel like she is headed for a major meltdown. Sad for her really as I feel like she really is having a tough time wrapping her mind around the mess her family has become.

IMO she did her best to be the head of this dysfuntional family and it must be devastating to see what her years of financial and emotional committment (and yes enabling)and control has cost her

[Cury-us Coyote]

I think she wants to try to fix her family image after the People article. How they are perceived seems very important to Cindy. SHe will (in my opinion and as a guess) talk about Casey as a loving mother who also mothered her friends, talk about George and Casey's loving relationship and how close Lee and Casey were. She'll paint herself as Caseys BFF, and probably have doves cooing and rainbows over their house daily.

And maybe GR doesn't have the rights to show the film tonight - only his guests can listen, view, and share their impressions. Oh - he used that excuse already. Maybe the film was damaged - tune in tomorrow night maybe we can fix it.
jmo

[AlohaRainbow]

The DP attorney who was on the case when it was still on the table was Terence M. Lenamon. After it was taken off no need for him anymore.

I don't see it coming back but "IF" it does would he be bound by anything to return. Not that I think he's a great attorney just wondered if he'd WANT to come back this has become such a big fiasco. For the life of me this is one case I wouldn't touch if I were an attorney so I don't know what the draw is for people offering there services to. I don't think the publicity being given is a good thing.
is linda k-baden qualified to defend death penalty cases in florida?
somehow i thought that was one reason to bring her on board

[Januarybaby]

Some things make me shake my head and laugh.

Casey says the nanny has a key to the house.

Now, EVERYTHING the Anthonys done is reported by the media right down to what they eat ( or in Cindys case, lack of eating).

If your grandhild was abducted and your daughter says the nanny has a key to the house and then your granddaughters remains are found, wouldnt you CHANGE THE LOCKS?

To me this is another small piece of proof the NANNY DOES NOT EXIST.

( I know its not the topic right now but I sit here and these things roll around in my head to fit together like a puzzle.)

[marshmallow]

Wow...I must say. Casey looked great in the that power suit. Both my husand and brother in law were over the house. They saw her on TV, and both commented how beautfiul she was. In fact my brother in law said how could anybody that good looking be guilty of a crime! LOL...:scared:

Just goes to show how important looks are in a trial.






Ted Bundy...nuff said.

[5boxersmom]

I don't think so, Boxersmom. I think she is ready to come out of hiding and I would not be surprised if she has her attorney right next to her during this interview. I think Cindy is having somewhat a change of heart here. Just a hunch.

Probably like someone else said she wants to announce when the memorial will be. She has to be the one to control it.

jmo

[dixie77]

I am really starting to change my mind on how
casey killed lil Caylee. I originally thought she had drowned her in the pool but i am now thinking she duct taped her mouth then put her in a bag to smother to death. I honestly cant think of another reason to use the duct tape.
I would also like to see her get LWOP rather than the DP. I would love to see her thrown into general population and have to work every day compared to what shes doing now..........more or less living the life of riley. jmo

[Neffy]

And maybe GR doesn't have the rights to show the film tonight - only his guests can listen, view, and share their impressions. Oh - he used that excuse already. Maybe the film was damaged - tune in tomorrow night maybe we can fix it.
jmo

What a cop out that was. Remember when LKB was on there as one of the "viewers". She'd even brought up the fact why was she seeing it on Geraldo. No one from LE leaked that vid. How soon they forget.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't want to tell you what a mess I made here after seeing that Willow. :tongueside:

I forgot about the FORGIVING of the IMAGINARY NANNY as CASEY SITS IN JAIL FOR HER LIKE A GOOD GIRL....:thumbup:

JMO

Well that was Casey's way of forgiving herself, so all is bright and cheery in her 9' x 6' corner of the world. :smile:

[Ladyhawk]

I don't want to tell you what a mess I made here after seeing that Willow. :tongueside:

I forgot about the FORGIVING of the IMAGINARY NANNY as CASEY SITS IN JAIL FOR HER LIKE A GOOD GIRL....:thumbup:

JMO

It's a good thing those jail tapes were released....otherwise Imaginanny would never have heard about the forgiving.

[Januarybaby]

I am really starting to change my mind on how
casey killed lil Caylee. I originally thought she had drowned her in the pool but i am now thinking she duct taped her mouth then put her in a bag to smother to death. I honestly cant think of another reason to use the duct tape.
I would also like to see her get LWOP rather than the DP. I would love to see her thrown into general population and have to work every day compared to what shes doing now..........more or less living the life of riley. jmo

I believe that too but I also think she used sedatives to put Caylee out first so she didnt know what was going on, couldnt feel anything happeneing to her and couldnt fight her.

[Neffy]

is linda k-baden qualified to defend death penalty cases in florida?
somehow i thought that was one reason to bring her on board

Not to my knowledge. If she were then why have Lenamon?

[CANDYKISSES]

I dont have anyone on ignore and I will never put it on no matter the conversation.

Everyone has an opinion whether I agree or not and I like reading what everyone has to say.

Same here JB, if I lack the self-control and find myself shooting off with a juvenile post, I'd rather just shut down my PC and get a breath of fresh air. :thumbsup: Even when it's frigid air, but I know this case can make me VERY EMOTIONAL as I will never understand why Caylee Marie Anthony had to die at such a young age and under her mother's care when so many people realized she wasn't cut out for the mothering of that child IMOO. :crying:

[MrsHudson]

You might be right about the change of heart but even if she exhibits signs of a change, how would anyone be able to tell if it was genuine after her past behavior.

Nothing Cindy Anthony could even do could make me like her. I will never warm up to that woman. She is just awful. I am sorry for her loss but what else does she want? I will never think Casey is innocent. I will never approve of Cindy's conduct, I will never do whatever it is Cindy wants me and everyone else to do!

At the same time I am not going to write her hate mail or protest at her house. So what the heck else does the woman want?

Shoo Cindy! Shoo! Go away! Get off the TV! Get off the radio! I don't admire you and you can't make me! Get away! Shoo!

[dixie77]

let's face it, Casey is a classic stupid criminal.

She used items from her own home in the commision of a crime. Garbage bags, bedding, duct tape.

Yep she is going to be convicted. I pray they bring back the death penalty. I use to think that she would really suffer is she got life without parole, but the more I think about it, I dont want her to have any thing that might be enjoyable.
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Sometimes i think Casey did he stupid things she did so that she could get caught. jmo

[kitty1182]

I don't think so, Boxersmom. I think she is ready to come out of hiding and I would not be surprised if she has her attorney right next to her during this interview. I think Cindy is having somewhat a change of heart here. Just a hunch.

I hope you are right!!

[WillowInFlight]

I am really starting to change my mind on how
casey killed lil Caylee. I originally thought she had drowned her in the pool but i am now thinking she duct taped her mouth then put her in a bag to smother to death. I honestly cant think of another reason to use the duct tape.
I would also like to see her get LWOP rather than the DP. I would love to see her thrown into general population and have to work every day compared to what shes doing now..........more or less living the life of riley. jmo

Lord I hope that child wasn't smothered to death. :crying:

[3Monkeys]

Probably like someone else said she wants to announce when the memorial will be. She has to be the one to control it.

jmo


Agreed. Although it would absolutely make my day if she came on to announce that Caylee has been laid to rest. That would be great news, IMO.

[marshmallow]

And maybe GR doesn't have the rights to show the film tonight - only his guests can listen, view, and share their impressions. Oh - he used that excuse already. Maybe the film was damaged - tune in tomorrow night maybe we can fix it.
jmo

if that happens, switch on over to Star Trek and join me in space the final frontier.... :biggrin:

[Lapis]

The DP attorney who was on the case when it was still on the table was Terence M. Lenamon. After it was taken off no need for him anymore.

I don't see it coming back but "IF" it does would he be bound by anything to return. Not that I think he's a great attorney just wondered if he'd WANT to come back this has become such a big fiasco. For the life of me this is one case I wouldn't touch if I were an attorney so I don't know what the draw is for people offering there services to. I don't think the publicity being given is a good thing.

I don't think he is under any obligation to return. It would seem to me that the original retainer agreement would be over. In my experience DP qualified attorneys are a breed apart. They tend to be zealots and are not concerned with publicity since most DP cases do receive more attention. JMO

[dixie77]

I believe that too but I also think she used sedatives to put Caylee out first so she didnt know what was going on, couldnt feel anything happeneing to her and couldnt fight her.

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I agree with u on the sedatives. Very sad huh?

[Ladyhawk]

You can't and I will tell you why. Because as the medical professionals here whom I do not doubt their word, have posted time and time again, a sociopath is devoid of any emotions and any concept of other people's feelings including being sincere. In my opinion, Cindy is the same as her daughter. They are both very into themselves- very self centered and neither of them "get it". George was the only one and I even question him now, that I think had some kind of a conscience.

Are you saying Cindy is a sociopath or just has some sociopathic tendencies?

[smileyjoe]

OH NO! I never even thought of making the "announcement" as an event she would insist on making herself. OH GEEZ. I'm wincing already as I can see it.

Monetary gain I can also see. Improving their image just isn't in the cards as it's soooooooooo to late.

Great now I have a tic and I didn't even finish with this post yet.

A wincing tic'ing mess. ROFL!


Alas, remember CA's words at BP when Lenny wanted to have a memorial for Caylee? She and George showed up and Cindy said only SHE has the right to have an event for Caylee and no one else (paraphrased)?

I can see this happening just so she can be the one to announce a memorial.

Also, I think she thinks this would help the Ant's reputation some small measure. IMO.

Joe.

[CANDYKISSES]

Well that was Casey's way of forgiving herself, so all is bright and cheery in her 9' x 6' corner of the world. :smile:

I figure about now she must be back to doodling MRS.________ in her notepad like she used to do with Tony's name. She probably figures Jose is her latest conquest since he lets her think she's got it all going on. JMO. :w00t:

Reality and karma will be unwanted visitors for Casey when the time comes IMO. :crying:

[Januarybaby]

Nothing Cindy Anthony could even do could make me like her. I will never warm up to that woman. She is just awful. I am sorry for her loss but what else does she want? I will never think Casey is innocent. I will never approve of Cindy's conduct, I will never do whatever it is Cindy wants me and everyone else to do!

At the same time I am not going to write her hate mail or protest at her house. So what the heck else does the woman want?

Shoo Cindy! Shoo! Go away! Get off the TV! Get off the radio! I don't admire you and you can't make me! Get away! Shoo!

I cant seem to warm up to her either. I did have a small feel of empathy for George for a moment but never her. She seems just as cold as Casey. It was nice when she wasnt on my tv every day spouting nonsense.

[nana2]

I think what Cindy Anthony truly regrets is that her disfunctional family mess was discovered by outsiders. Otherwise, she and her tribe would just have gone along keeping to themselves their homicidal behaviors and other less noteworthy "problems."

As for a meltdown, I believe 100% that Cindy Anthony will be the last one standing, after all this is said and done -- and she'll live longer than all the rest of us.

She is strong. Maybe too strong. But strong she is.

you could very well be right , I just think sometimes its the "strongest" ones that fall the hardest (when they finally allow themselves to "fall")

you are correct in that the exposure of her skeletons are as devastating to her as the loss of Caylee and Casey imo

[5boxersmom]

Agreed. Although it would absolutely make my day if she came on to announce that Caylee has been laid to rest. That would be great news, IMO.

Yes it would be great news. :rose:

[CANDYKISSES]

It's a good thing those jail tapes were released....otherwise Imaginanny would never have heard about the forgiving.

Yes indeed, it does make her little comfort zone all that much better believing a few people are still buying into her stories IMO. :biggrin: But we all know, ALL GOOD THINGS MUST END and Casey isn't going to escape responsibility this time if there is any justice left in this world IMO.

I am wondering how much time GR is going to devote to this case tonite???:huh:

[Neffy]

I don't think he is under any obligation to return. It would seem to me that the original retainer agreement would be over. In my experience DP qualified attorneys are a breed apart. They tend to be zealots and are not concerned with publicity since most DP cases do receive more attention. JMO

LOL Zealots! Good description makes sense.

[5boxersmom]

Does Geraldo's show livestream?

[WillowInFlight]

You know, you are not the only one with this theory, Dixie. Alot of folks are thinking that she was crying out for help or just wanted to hurt her parents so badly that she just did everything she could to get arrested. I know alot of this case doesn't make any sense but this is not too far fetched a thing to say. IMHO.

I still remember her saying to Lee when they were in her bedroom, "this probably should have been done a long time ago" in response to Lee telling her that Cindy was going to call LE.

[nana2]

I admire your compassion for her, nana2. I can't work any up, except as it pertains to Cindy's loss of her granddaughter.

As for her years of hard labor in her family, I can only say that she should've said uncle years ago, and reached out :rolleyes: for some help. Obviously, the things she was doing weren't working, and for the sake of her own sanity, family unity, perhaps George's masculinity, certainly Casey's sociopathy, and Caylee's very life, she should have set pride aside and got other people involved in the mess.

In addition, I'll never be sure how much of Cindy's head-of-household role was foisted on her vs. given to her because she demanded to have it. I suspect that she gravitated to George because she wanted full control, and George gravitated to Cindy because he wanted to give it to her. Like attracts like, I always say.
very compelling arguement and believe me I dont "like" Cindy..not one bit..... I guess I am letting life experience seep in to my feelings and it really should not in this case because its far far from what is normal to us and our family dynamics

[Januarybaby]

You know, you are not the only one with this theory, Dixie. Alot of folks are thinking that she was crying out for help or just wanted to hurt her parents so badly that she just did everything she could to get arrested. I know alot of this case doesn't make any sense but this is not too far fetched a thing to say. IMHO.

They say children see love through being punished. That parents care. Casey doesnt seem to me that she was every disciplined by George and Cindy. Maybe she did want them to punish her in a way but the law got her first

[CelticDawn]

Some things make me shake my head and laugh.

Casey says the nanny has a key to the house.

Now, EVERYTHING the Anthonys done is reported by the media right down to what they eat ( or in Cindys case, lack of eating).

If your grandhild was abducted and your daughter says the nanny has a key to the house and then your granddaughters remains are found, wouldnt you CHANGE THE LOCKS?

To me this is another small piece of proof the NANNY DOES NOT EXIST.

( I know its not the topic right now but I sit here and these things roll around in my head to fit together like a puzzle.)

I would have changed the locks LONG before that....and all my alarm codes....and casey WOULD NOT have access to them either.....at the VERY FIRST that would have been done.

[dixie77]

You know, you are not the only one with this theory, Dixie. Alot of folks are thinking that she was crying out for help or just wanted to hurt her parents so badly that she just did everything she could to get arrested. I know alot of this case doesn't make any sense but this is not too far fetched a thing to say. IMHO.
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Casey gave away too many clues. I think the biggest one is the place where she put Caylee......so close to home. jmo

[MrsHudson]

Set Geraldo aside, ignore which side of the legal bar GR rests on today. Why is CinA going before the media? The family has a spokesman/legal representative who speaks almost daily, IMO. Didn't CinA promise NOT to speak until after Caylee's services? Is CinA's appearance driven by a financial motive or a motive to improve upon her family's image? Did CinA want to announce the final memorial plans and someone else released the news early? IMO, in a few hours we MAY have a better idea.
jmo

I am not going to watch it. I don't want to see her or hear her.

She makes trouble:

Trouble, oh yes she makes trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "C"
And that stands for Cindy!

That stands for Casey too.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the A's off of TV

Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

[CANDYKISSES]

Ted Bundy...nuff said.

Speaking of Bundy, I was amazed at the resemblance of looks on the faces of he and Casey both during various phases of their cases....:unsure: Especially that scream face they both seem to make when they're tying to control the ANGER....WOW.

[smileyjoe]

I still remember her saying to Lee when they were in her bedroom, "this probably should have been done a long time ago" in response to Lee telling her that Cindy was going to call LE.

I think it was done earlier given the amount of response calls to the Anthony home. I don't have the link, but I think we all remember the response sheet.


Joe.

[AlohaRainbow]

Not to my knowledge. If she were then why have Lenamon?
were lkb and lenamon both on the case at the same time?
sorry, the timeline for some of the events in this case is beginning to be a little fuzzy for me, and i can't remember exactly when lkb was brought in

[CC I See]

Here's one CC - Who Said That?

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/who_said_that.html

Thank you very much..... I have saved this for future reference.

[MrsHudson]

Except that she has not murdered anyone as yet, I think she has alot of the symptoms or signs of being sociopathic just like Casey. I think she is very self centered, very controlling, a pathological liar, very narcissistic, and other things too, which one of the psych nurses here had listed several weeks ago when we were talking about Casey and Scott being sociopathic. Also, she tends to keep herself and her possessions (family members) away from others. Isolating themselves and their possessions/family was another thing that was on the list if I recall. So yes, I am saying that.

You know that 's a good point about how she keeps her family members away from others. When a man does that to a woman, won't let her have friends or see her mother or family....it is a really bad sign!

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by 3Monkeys
Agreed. Although it would absolutely make my day if she came on to announce that Caylee has been laid to rest. That would be great news, IMO.

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I have a feeling that Caylee has already been laid to rest or cremated.....right before George got sick
Seems strange that they would do the public memorial service first. jmo

[bama__angel]

They say children see love through being punished. That parents care. Casey doesnt seem to me that she was every disciplined by George and Cindy. Maybe she did want them to punish her in a way but the law got her first



IMO, Casey wasnt a child......She's 22 years old, a grown woman with a child.......She didnt need punishment.way past that....She needed accountability

[5boxersmom]

You know that 's a good point about how she keeps her family members away from others. When a man does that to a woman, won't let her have friends or see her mother or family....it is a really bad sign!

And the emphasis on family they all seem to make. Family being those 4 or 5 I guess. I felt that every time Casey said something like "I just want to be back with the family" in the jail house visits she was telling Cindy what she has wanted to hear for years.

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

I still remember her saying to Lee when they were in her bedroom, "this probably should have been done a long time ago" in response to Lee telling her that Cindy was going to call LE.

I had forgotten that Willow, but you're right. She sure did say that. JMO. I am still waiting for SCRIPTING to come into play somewhere too.

Remember, it was Cindy who brought up the idea in JAIL about ZANNY having a key to their house.....:blushing: Really, come on now. Do you believe Cindy would have let a WOMAN SHE NEVER MET have a key to her house with her CONTROLLING PERSONALITY??????

NAH, NOT ME, NOT SO MUCH.

[MrsHudson]

I dont have anyone on ignore and I will never put it on no matter the conversation.

Everyone has an opinion whether I agree or not and I like reading what everyone has to say.

I never turn anyone into a moderator unless they do something really bad like make threats, are racist or are very explicitly vulgar. If someone just get mad at me I can deal with it. Maybe I need to be got mad at now and then!

[MrsHudson]

And the emphasis on family they all seem to make. Family being those 4 or 5 I guess. I felt that every time Casey said something like "I just want to be back with the family" in the jail house visits she was telling Cindy what she has wanted to hear for years.

jmo

Ooooooh! Good point!

[Neffy]

were lkb and lenamon both on the case at the same time?
sorry, the timeline for some of the events in this case is beginning to be a little fuzzy for me, and i can't remember exactly when lkb was brought in

I could have sworn they were. Let me see if I can do a quick check just so I can be sure.

[CC I See]

Maybe she is the devil's pawn. Notice how everyone that has ever known Casey has had their lives ruined in one way or another? And she is the only one left standing at the end of the day?.... I couldn't agree more. No one goes unscathed in this case. I am a little concerned about Nancy Grace because she is too emotionally involved in this case.... more so than other cases she has worked on.

[VC2]

but he can do that on cross like every other defense atty...I am confused as well with his "logic"

because if the state chooses not to call them in the end, he has them on his witness list.

Just bc they are on a witness list does not mean that they will be called by either side.

imo

[girlspell]

I had forgotten that Willow, but you're right. She sure did say that. JMO. I am still waiting for SCRIPTING to come into play somewhere too.

Remember, it was Cindy who brought up the idea in JAIL about ZANNY having a key to their house.....:blushing: Really, come on now. Do you believe Cindy would have let a WOMAN SHE NEVER MET have a key to her house with her CONTROLLING PERSONALITY??????

NAH, NOT ME, NOT SO MUCH.

What did Casey say when Cindy asked about Zanny having a key? I imagine now this will come up in the trial. All the items in the house used for the crime was to frame Casey.

[Januarybaby]

IMO, Casey wasnt a child......She's 22 years old, a grown woman with a child.......She didnt need punishment.way past that....She needed accountability

very true, but Casey acts and thinks like a teenager instead of like an adult. Things may seem very different to her. She may have lacked discipline when she was a teenager ( which wasnt that long ago) and may still be looking for it.

[nana2]

because if the state chooses not to call them in the end, he has them on his witness list.

Just bc they are on a witness list does not mean that they will be called by either side.

imo

aaaaaahhhhhh good point vc

[smileyjoe]

Yep, several calls to LE over a relatively short period of time.

Sorry, Cindy, but the Waltons or the Ingalls you folks are not, and the trouble did not start in mid-June when Caylee went missing. Caylee's death was the fatal symptom of a chronic disease that had been infecting the House of Anthony for years, imo.

(How do you like that for some drama? :laugh:)


Good job. AND all true! lol

Joe.

[5boxersmom]

George played into that, too, with his Five Fingers of the Hand analogy. :rolleyes:

Yep. Makes one wonder if they just weren't all living in the house together but each was doing their own thing. Of course where did that leave Caylee?

jmo

[Neffy]

were lkb and lenamon both on the case at the same time?
sorry, the timeline for some of the events in this case is beginning to be a little fuzzy for me, and i can't remember exactly when lkb was brought in

Ok Dec 5th DP was taken off the table so there basically ends the need for Lenamon. I know LKB was on the case in Dec but I don't know if these overlapped or she was on board before. Still looking.

[tomsgirl]

Nothing Cindy Anthony could even do could make me like her. I will never warm up to that woman. She is just awful. I am sorry for her loss but what else does she want? I will never think Casey is innocent. I will never approve of Cindy's conduct, I will never do whatever it is Cindy wants me and everyone else to do!

At the same time I am not going to write her hate mail or protest at her house. So what the heck else does the woman want?

Shoo Cindy! Shoo! Go away! Get off the TV! Get off the radio! I don't admire you and you can't make me! Get away! Shoo!

I pretty much feel the same way. I do not wish her any harm or any more sadness but she just needs to be quiet and stop appearing on shows. No one really wants to see her or hear her. I just feel so sad about little Caylee and hope that our justice system works and Casey pays for this. If not here on earth, on judgment day. JMO

[JLP]

I am really starting to change my mind on how
casey killed lil Caylee. I originally thought she had drowned her in the pool but i am now thinking she duct taped her mouth then put her in a bag to smother to death. I honestly cant think of another reason to use the duct tape.
I would also like to see her get LWOP rather than the DP. I would love to see her thrown into general population and have to work every day compared to what shes doing now..........more or less living the life of riley. jmo

I think the ductape was used to silence her cries while in the trunk.

[VC2]

#1 is between a rock and a hard place. your correct they may see putting such a young person to death is wrong but other jurors may see it as if shes that spiteful Good Lord forbid she ever gets out and has more children.

I think one of the stipulations for the DP is to take into consideration if she will ever in her lifetime be a danger to others again.

prosecutors normally also consider the victims family members feelings and clearly in this case it would be pretty impossible to expect them to want the DP.

Secondly, i cannot conceive of 12 jurors who look at the circumstances and heartbreak of the grandparents losing their granddaughter and then decide that they will take their daughters life too. IMO the prosecution knows this perfectly well and will not put them in that position especially since a DP case is far more costly than an lwop. Heck i doubt the prosecution would want to do that to the grandparents anyway.

imo

[marshmallow]

Yep. Makes one wonder if they just weren't all living in the house together but each was doing their own thing. Of course where did that leave Caylee?

jmo



I think in life Caylee was a tie that bound them and now in death she's again the tie that binds them :(

[playnice]

very true, but Casey acts and thinks like a teenager instead of like an adult. Things may seem very different to her. She may have lacked discipline when she was a teenager ( which wasnt that long ago) and may still be looking for it.

I think she received critizism and belittling instead of discipline and accountability. I think there was alot of mental abuse and possibly more going on in that home that helped screw Casey up in the head.
Its happened to millions of others out there too and its not an excuse killing her child.

[MrsHudson]

yes public perception of her family is very important to Cindy, I feel like she is headed for a major meltdown. Sad for her really as I feel like she really is having a tough time wrapping her mind around the mess her family has become.

IMO she did her best to be the head of this dysfuntional family and it must be devastating to see what her years of financial and emotional committment (and yes enabling)and control has cost her



Crap happens nana. Your sympathy, though very nice, won't do much to help her.

What does she want from us?

Sorry to say but 1000's of letters of sympathy to her, aren't going to fix her problem. It is still her problem! Not mine or yours.

So what is it she wants NOW that she has to go on TV?

Approval? Forgivness? Tell us all to go to hell?

I am sure she has some sort support network. Isn't that enough?

[marshmallow]

I pretty much feel the same way. I do not wish her any harm or any more sadness but she just needs to be quiet and stop appearing on shows. No one really wants to see her or hear her. I just feel so sad about little Caylee and hope that our justice system works and Casey pays for this. If not here on earth, on judgment day. JMO


I was just wondering, when Cindy goes on tv and we comment on her act, are we still picking on her or is she in a sense opening herself up for it?

(not directed at anyone in particular)

[caphill]

"I don't think JB deals in logic". I don't want to use the bold so I just copies that, I hope you don't mind. I want to try to respond. The only thing I can think of is if that if he lists them as his witnesses, then he is not limited to asking questions on cross examination of statements that they made on direct. It gives him a leeway to ask whatever he wants. And if that is his reasoning behind it, then that is extremely clever. That being said, the only thing that doesn't make sense to me is that if Florida has that Rule about being allowed to depose each others witnesses in a criminal case, then he would not have to be concerned over leeway at the time of the trial. He can ask all he wants in a deposition. Why bother.


Do you have any idea of the cost of each disposition? Casey is not a rich client with unlimited resources to defend herself. JB is being legally clever,IMO, to allow himself to have his way with any of the witnesses on his list that he choses to call to as his defense witness.

[nana2]

I was just wondering, when Cindy goes on tv and we comment on her act, are we still picking on her or is she in a sense opening herself up for it?

(not directed at anyone in particular)

imo she is opening herself up for it because she knows its not worked very well for her in the past

[Neffy]

were lkb and lenamon both on the case at the same time?
sorry, the timeline for some of the events in this case is beginning to be a little fuzzy for me, and i can't remember exactly when lkb was brought in

Sorry came up empty other then to say they were both on in Dec but I'm not sure if they overlapped. I've also found nothing to say LKB is DP qualified but IIRC she is not. I'll keep my eye open though and will post if I find out different. :)

[Januarybaby]

prosecutors normally also consider the victims family members feelings and clearly in this case it would be pretty impossible to expect them to want the DP.

Secondly, i cannot conceive of 12 jurors who look at the circumstances and heartbreak of the grandparents losing their granddaughter and then decide that they will take their daughters life too. IMO the prosecution knows this perfectly well and will not put them in that position especially since a DP case is far more costly than an lwop. Heck i doubt the prosecution would want to do that to the grandparents anyway.

imo

I agree with that too, but at my exs trial, his mother even got on the witness stand and broke that she needed her son that she was very sick and couldnt bear to lose him after losing her grandchild. His brother begged not to have the DP on him. His sister asked that he not be put to death, it would tear a family apart that was already in turmoil. The jurors also knew he had 2 children of his own.

They gave him the DP neway. I know jurors have to go by guidelines for such things and cant go by their emotions. They gave him the DP. IMO in boils down to how hard the jurors are.

[CANDYKISSES]

What did Casey say when Cindy asked about Zanny having a key? I imagine now this will come up in the trial. All the items in the house used for the crime was to frame Casey.

I'm trying to remember because IMO CASEY was a little slow on the uptake that visit and she was trying to follow Cindy. That was when Cindy tried to suggest that Ricardo's apartment could equal ZANNY due to seeing drums in a photo.

She was all over the map that day, but I think Casey ultimately settled with a YES to Zanny still having a key but NO NO to RICARDO's apartment equating to ZANNIE's place.:unsure:

[Januarybaby]

Do you have any idea of the cost of each disposition? Casey is not a rich client with unlimited resources to defend herself. JB is being legally clever,IMO, to allow himself to have his way with any of the witnesses on his list that he choses to call to as his defense witness.

Yup, gotta give him that. We all know how cheap he is too. he didnt want to pay for videos. ( somehow that also tells me he knew there was no need for them).

[sunstar]

IMO, Casey wasnt a child......She's 22 years old, a grown woman with a child.......She didnt need punishment.way past that....She needed accountability

Hi! The way she's been acting in court playing with her lawyer's pens, it seems she's more of a child than Caylee was. I really would be interested in those psych evaluations! MOO

[CANDYKISSES]

She said I think she could of (had a key).


Did you get the feeling Casey was just following along that day tigger?

:sneaky:

[MrsHudson]

prosecutors normally also consider the victims family members feelings and clearly in this case it would be pretty impossible to expect them to want the DP.

Secondly, i cannot conceive of 12 jurors who look at the circumstances and heartbreak of the grandparents losing their granddaughter and then decide that they will take their daughters life too. IMO the prosecution knows this perfectly well and will not put them in that position especially since a DP case is far more costly than an lwop. Heck i doubt the prosecution would want to do that to the grandparents anyway.

imo

Really do prosecutors consider the victims family members feelings? During the penalty phase the judge will instruct the jury not to take sympathy for the family into account. I read that the law is the decider not the prosecutor. Where is it written in the law that if you kill your own child you can't get the death penalty because it will hurt your parents too much?

Anyway suppose Jane Doe killed her neighbors daughter in the very same way. By your logic she could get the death penalty but Casey would not and for the very same offense. Seems unfair.

Just thinking out loud.

[JLP]

With concern for others ("You tired, papa?"), and a serious and sometimes sad look on her precious little face. :sad:

I too thought this was so touching that a 2 year old would be concerned if her Papa was tired...

[sunstar]

Sorry came up empty other then to say they were both on in Dec but I'm not sure if they overlapped. I've also found nothing to say LKB is DP qualified but IIRC she is not. I'll keep my eye open though and will post if I find out different. :)

I believe LKB came on board just after Caylee's remains were found. I'm not sure about her being DP qualified either, but she sure does have more experience than Baez! MOO

[trich]

She said I think she could of (had a key).

I believe she actually said somethng more like "yes I told you that she had a key".

Cindy was making up a reason that someone else could have got in the house and Casey was agreeing.That was so phoney .

"didn't you say the nanny had a key to the house?"(Cindy)
"Yes I told she had a key"(Casey)
i know that is not verbatum but pretty close.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hi! The way she's been acting in court playing with her lawyer's pens, it seems she's more of a child than Caylee was. I really would be interested in those psych evaluations! MOO

Oh me too Sun, I figure she's probably about fourteen in her emotional development from some of the things I've read and heard her say. JMO.:mellow:

[Lapis]

Do you have any idea of the cost of each disposition? Casey is not a rich client with unlimited resources to defend herself. JB is being legally clever,IMO, to allow himself to have his way with any of the witnesses on his list that he choses to call to as his defense witness.

Its been a long time since I actually paid a bill (as opposed to my secretary) and it varies from state to state. Here court reporters charges around $60.00 for a sitting fee. For the transcript it is a per page charge. The last time I remember it was around $2-$3 per page. For expert you have to pay an hourly rate for their time. There is also your own time as the attorney. As the saying goes every hour you spend on a case you're not being paid for is money down the drain. JMO

[nana2]

Really do prosecutors consider the victims family members feelings? During the penalty phase the judge will instruct the jury not to take sympathy for the family into account. I read that the law is the decider not the prosecutor. Where is it written in the law that if you kill your own child you can't get the death penalty because it will hurt your parents too much?

Anyway suppose Jane Doe killed her neighbors daughter in the very same way. By your logic she could get the death penalty but Casey would not and for the very same offense. Seems unfair.

Just thinking out loud.

I disagree, we have victim impact statements that are given great weight by the jury

[MrsHudson]

From what I've been able to tell, this is all about the maggot media hounding her and the parasitic public making incorrect assumptions about her based on her behavior in front of the maggot media.

In other words, Cindy takes no responsibility for the trouble in her life. It's a family trait, in case anyone missed it.

And at the core of most of their problems as well, imo.

Oh, okay, so then Cindy will be demanding that we like her????

Cold day in hell.

[playnice]

I bet the dynamics in this family can fill a book, JB. It's so twisted and unique. But I bet there are other families just like this one out there in this country waiting to be exposed.

No doubt there are plenty of them but they arent killing their children.
They walk away, and dont let happen to their kids what happened to them.

[playnice]

Oh, okay, so then Cindy will be demanding that we like her????

Cold day in hell.

I would not have liked Cindy before this awful thing happened.

[ConchGirl]

Okay, for those of you wondering about the Death Penalty. Based on the very limited research I have done, the state is to give notice of DP w/in 45 days of arraignment, but failure to file a timely notice will not preclude the state from seeking the DP. (I kid you not that is what the Rules say. My best guess is that they do not want to preclude the state if the notice is a few days late. I doubt that the state can come in the day before trial and say "We've decided to seek the death penalty.")

As a practical matter, there are very specific rules regarding attorneys permitted to try a death penalty case. In my quick reading, JB does not qualify as lead counsel. (The first qualification is a minimum of 5 years practicing law.) So the state has to give notice so death qualified counsel can be obtained.

Since this is my interpretation of the Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure its all JMO

Thank you for that I found a document http://www.abanet.org/moratorium/assessmentproject/florida/FloridaReportEmbargoed9.13.doc

but wasn't sure I was reading it correctly.

[CelticDawn]

If she had been held accountable years ago, she just might have arrived at the age of 22 with the mind of a 22 year-old vs. the mind of a defiant adolescent.

I have an eleven year old that doesnt act that silly!....

I sort of think that if children are being raised and then for some odd reason theyre turned off....like the parents stop paying attention and ignore the kid....the kids' mental age or emotional age gets stopped....like arrested development...<and I know my English isnt that good>....but I hope yall understand what Im trying to say.

[VC2]

I agree with that too, but at my exs trial, his mother even got on the witness stand and broke that she needed her son that she was very sick and couldnt bear to lose him after losing her grandchild. His brother begged not to have the DP on him. His sister asked that he not be put to death, it would tear a family apart that was already in turmoil. The jurors also knew he had 2 children of his own.

They gave him the DP neway. I know jurors have to go by guidelines for such things and cant go by their emotions. They gave him the DP. IMO in boils down to how hard the jurors are.

but in your case wasn't there another family involved? your own for example.

In this case there is only one victims family (or immediate family) because the paternal side is unknown. I think it makes a difference and that is why the prosecutors haven't asked for it from day 1.

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Crap happens nana. Your sympathy, though very nice, won't do much to help her.

What does she want from us?

Sorry to say but 1000's of letters of sympathy to her, aren't going to fix her problem. It is still her problem! Not mine or yours.

So what is it she wants NOW that she has to go on TV?

Approval? Forgivness? Tell us all to go to hell?

I am sure she has some sort support network. Isn't that enough?IMO, she wants the public to like them so that they can be representatives for missing children. I can't think of any other reason that makes sense. JMO JMO

[sunstar]

Oh me too Sun, I figure she's probably about fourteen in her emotional development from some of the things I've read and heard her say. JMO.:mellow:

I think you've made a good estimate! Her behavior in court does remind me of someone I knew when her daughter was about that age. This girl was also very undisciplined at home. MOO

[Januarybaby]

but in your case wasn't there another family involved? your own for example.

In this case there is only one victims family (or immediate family) because the paternal side is unknown. I think it makes a difference and that is why the prosecutors haven't asked for it from day 1.

jmo

Nope, my ex killed his 3 yr old niece. It was just his family, there wasnt another family involved.

I considered her like my own because of all the time taking care of her and the love I had for her. She was my niece through marriage

[playnice]

IMO, she wants the public to like them so that they can be representatives for missing children. I can't think of any other reason that makes sense. JMO JMO

They didnt have a missing child tho they had a murdered one.
They may be able to help people who have a loved one murdered by a family member.

They cant help anyone until they can start helping their self.

[MrsHudson]

I disagree, we have victim impact statements that are given great weight by the jury

About a month ago I saw a trial in Florida of a young woman who was on trial for drowning her step daughter. She was found guilty. The judge told the jury they were not to take sympathy for the murderers family into account.

Well it just does not make sense. People who kill their own children, wife or parent would never get the death penalty given someone else in his family would then lose two relatives.

The prosecutors will call for the death penalty if the crime meets certain criteria. I am pretty sure it won't matter about the granparents feelings. Remember Nancy keeps thinking it will go back on the table any time.

[sunstar]

I have an eleven year old that doesnt act that silly!....

I sort of think that if children are being raised and then for some odd reason theyre turned off....like the parents stop paying attention and ignore the kid....the kids' mental age or emotional age gets stopped....like arrested development...<and I know my English isnt that good>....but I hope yall understand what Im trying to say.

I know exactly what you mean and I do believe a child's behavior has a lot to do with how they're raised ~ or not. MOO

[VC2]

Really do prosecutors consider the victims family members feelings? During the penalty phase the judge will instruct the jury not to take sympathy for the family into account. I read that the law is the decider not the prosecutor. Where is it written in the law that if you kill your own child you can't get the death penalty because it will hurt your parents too much?

Anyway suppose Jane Doe killed her neighbors daughter in the very same way. By your logic she could get the death penalty but Casey would not and for the very same offense. Seems unfair.

Just thinking out loud.

ummm no, the prosecutor and his team decides if they will seek the death penalty. If they don't then it is not an issue in court which is where the law would apply to the case (obviously it applies b4 in if its dp eligible but once that hurdle is reached then its the prosecutions decision)

imo

ETA and one of the very reasons i am against the death penalty is that it is not imposed fairly. The green river killer took 47 lives and gets lwop but someone who shoots a person in a robbery gets the death penalty. Studies have shown that it is imposed on minorities far more than whites, and also on men far more than women. The example you gave happens every single day in death penalty eligible cases where there is a murder with like circumstances but for whatever reason one gets it and one does not.

IMO

[marshmallow]

I had said about 3 months ago that I felt that Casey was a child in a grown up's body. Her mentality is like a middle school kid. Doing alot of this...:tonguewag:... and thinking only in the second of the moment that she is in and also unable to see the consequences of anything.



but even middle school children know stealing and lying and killing are wrong.

[bama__angel]

Nope, my ex killed his 3 yr old niece. It was just his family, there want anotehr family involved.



OMG............ And you marry someone and sleep every night in the same bed, have kids, share a life, and you still dont know what's deep inside........I am so sorry........Hope life is kind to you

[gaelicpeas]

I'm trying to remember because IMO CASEY was a little slow on the uptake that visit and she was trying to follow Cindy. That was when Cindy tried to suggest that Ricardo's apartment could equal ZANNY due to seeing drums in a photo.

She was all over the map that day, but I think Casey ultimately settled with a YES to Zanny still having a key but NO NO to RICARDO's apartment equating to ZANNIE's place.:unsure:IIRC, Casey's response to the key question was "I told you that a long time ago". And yes, I agree with you that Casey said no to Zanny's apartment being Ricardo's. JMO

[Pretty Leaf]

What time is Geraldo on tonight? I don't get him here so I will be waiting to read what you guys have to say about the interview.

PL

[CANDYKISSES]

In some ways she seems to have a diminished capacity while in others she seems to be very sharp. She is an enigma, that's for sure.

ITA on that one. There are times when her vocabulary and sentence structure alone have astounded me. Then she reverts to her childlike persona and I'm completely blown away. JMO :scared:

[CelticDawn]

Crap happens nana. Your sympathy, though very nice, won't do much to help her.

What does she want from us?

Sorry to say but 1000's of letters of sympathy to her, aren't going to fix her problem. It is still her problem! Not mine or yours.

So what is it she wants NOW that she has to go on TV?

Approval? Forgivness? Tell us all to go to hell?

I am sure she has some sort support network. Isn't that enough?

Oh yeah,...she expects sympathy from us "MAGGOTS"...???


well I might feel some kind of common human empathy....I realize shes probably hurting....but sorry...I would NEVER give her the satisfaction...

<I SO dont want to go tonight!!!>

[ConchGirl]

Its been a long time since I actually paid a bill (as opposed to my secretary) and it varies from state to state. Here court reporters charges around $60.00 for a sitting fee. For the transcript it is a per page charge. The last time I remember it was around $2-$3 per page. For expert you have to pay an hourly rate for their time. There is also your own time as the attorney. As the saying goes every hour you spend on a case you're not being paid for is money down the drain. JMO

That alleged $200,000 he got won't go far in a case like this? Wonder what else Baez is selling? moo

[sunstar]

About a month ago I saw a trial in Florida of a young woman who was on trial for drowning her step daughter. She was found guilty. The judge told the jury they were not to take sympathy for the murderers family into account.

Well it just does not make sense. People who kill their own children, wife or parent would never get the death penalty given someone else in his family would then lose two relatives.

The prosecutors will call for the death penalty if the crime meets certain criteria. I am pretty sure it won't matter about the granparents feelings. Remember Nancy keeps thinking it will go back on the table any time.

Casey had a DP qualified attorney make the motions before the court to not seek the DP, now he doesn't seem to be representing her since the state didn't ask for it. It's been said Baez isn't DP qualified. But it's Baez who is continuing to represent her and proceeding to prepare for the trial. What would happen if the state now asks for the DP ~ wouldn't the defense have to start all over, so to speak, with new lawyers and delay the trial even more? :confused: MOO

[Januarybaby]

OMG............ And you marry someone and sleep every night in the same bed, have kids, share a life, and you still dont know what's deep inside........I am so sorry........Hope life is kind to you

yes, and it also makes you sick physically and mentally.

[nana2]

About a month ago I saw a trial in Florida of a young woman who was on trial for drowning her step daughter. She was found guilty. The judge told the jury they were not to take sympathy for the murderers family into account.

Well it just does not make sense. People who kill their own children, wife or parent would never get the death penalty given someone else in his family would then lose two relatives.

The prosecutors will call for the death penalty if the crime meets certain criteria. I am pretty sure it won't matter about the granparents feelings. Remember Nancy keeps thinking it will go back on the table any time.

first.. I apologize I was wrong the impact statements are for penalty phase not guilt.

the lines are very blurry here because the victims of the crime are also the family of the defendent so its not easy to call...besides

I dont think the Anthonys are a very sympathetic group to a prospective jury anyway

[CANDYKISSES]

IIRC, Casey's response to the key question was "I told you that a long time ago". And yes, I agree with you that Casey said no to Zanny's apartment being Ricardo's. JMO


I don't know why, but I remember being struck by the idea Cindy was leading or trying to lead her that day. I might have to go back and listen.

NOW, do you believe for one second that Cindy was okay with a woman she never met, didn't know how to contact and no phone number to boot having a key to her home? :thumbsup:

ME, not so much.

Was it their first visit when this was happening?

[sunstar]

but even middle school children know stealing and lying and killing are wrong.

Unless they're sociopathic like Casey. MOO

[CC I See]

I'm trying to remember because IMO CASEY was a little slow on the uptake that visit and she was trying to follow Cindy. That was when Cindy tried to suggest that Ricardo's apartment could equal ZANNY due to seeing drums in a photo.

She was all over the map that day, but I think Casey ultimately settled with a YES to Zanny still having a key but NO NO to RICARDO's apartment equating to ZANNIE's place.:unsure:

...."All they care about is finding Caylee." ~Casey Anthony~

[MrsHudson]

IMO, she wants the public to like them so that they can be representatives for missing children. I can't think of any other reason that makes sense. JMO JMO

That would be so sick making! It is a false pretense. It is not congruent with the facts. Caylee was murdered by her mother and only missing because her mother was hiding her crime.

There are, I think a certain type of people who would surround G and C because out of sympathy they could close their eyes to that fact. And aslo because G and C are "people on they've seen on TV" and that impresses them.

But it's promoting a good cause based on a lie. And it would seem more cultish (strong word I know) than wholesome to me.

[bama__angel]

Unless they're sociopathic like Casey. MOO



Even a sociopath knows that killing is wrong at some level.........but without the ability to feel remorse or guilt what difference does it make if it's wrong?

[Lapis]

Thank you for that I found a document http://www.abanet.org/moratorium/assessmentproject/florida/FloridaReportEmbargoed9.13.doc

but wasn't sure I was reading it correctly.

If it makes you feel better, my very quick review of the current statutes does address many of the concerns contained in that 2006 report. IMO

[gaelicpeas]

They didnt have a missing child tho they had a murdered one.
They may be able to help people who have a loved one murdered by a family member.

They cant help anyone until they can start helping their self.I agree.... I was just suggesting why Cindy wants to appear on TV tonight. JMO

[IM4Truth]

Well, I got back from the grocery store with my People Mag and the Tabloid Trash. The only things I read that I had not heard before was that Kiomarie said she, Casey, and another friend buried Casey's hamster in a plastic zip-lock bag and then put that in another paper bag, then they drew 5 or 6 hears as signs of love on the bag. Also Casey and Kiomarie buried Kio's bird in a blanket embellished with hearts.

[ConchGirl]

IMO, she wants the public to like them so that they can be representatives for missing children. I can't think of any other reason that makes sense. JMO JMO

I hope and pray they get out of the missing children business. KidFinders are a bunch of vultures who prey on people, George & Cindy included. I don't think a reputable organization would even entertain the idea of using them as spokespeople. moo

[Lapis]

but even middle school children know stealing and lying and killing are wrong.

or should know

[gaelicpeas]

What time is Geraldo on tonight? I don't get him here so I will be waiting to read what you guys have to say about the interview.

PL10 pm eastern time.

[MrsHudson]

Yep, so just because it is a woman it's the same thing. I guess. Okay I have to play ketchup. I just had the longest telephone call. BRB

Yes it's the same thing if a woman won't let her partner or children have their own interests and time away from them. Usually men who are like that with their wives are abusive and controlling due to poor self-esteem. Obviously.

[Ionmhainn]

I was just wondering, when Cindy goes on tv and we comment on her act, are we still picking on her or is she in a sense opening herself up for it?

(not directed at anyone in particular)

Good question, lol! Everybody says they want Cindy to shut up, but every appearance she makes sets this thread on fire. Personally, I think it's kind of a cop out to say she "opens herself up." She's not responsible for our opinions....we are. As for what she'll have to say, I wouldn't hazard a guess...content to wait and see/hear. As for those who don't want to...I guess they won't tune in. ;)
jmo

[MrsHudson]

or should know

Kids should know that by the age of seven years is the old rule I was taught.

(Of course I just found out it's okay to carry a white purse in the winter time now, so don't go by me! )

[Barbara fl.]

About a month ago I saw a trial in Florida of a young woman who was on trial for drowning her step daughter. She was found guilty. The judge told the jury they were not to take sympathy for the murderers family into account.

Well it just does not make sense. People who kill their own children, wife or parent would never get the death penalty given someone else in his family would then lose two relatives.

The prosecutors will call for the death penalty if the crime meets certain criteria. I am pretty sure it won't matter about the granparents feelings. Remember Nancy keeps thinking it will go back on the table any time.

I truly doubt that it will be put back on for a number of reasons....It is hard to find all 12 jurors that would be willing to put a young woman to death without knowing for sure that this was indeed NOT an accident....Also the impact statements from the family of both the victim and the accused would be coming from the same people and it will be taken into consideration that the family has already been put thru enough....also, unless the prosecution can prove beyond "all doubt" NOT a reasonable doubt but by "all doubt" that the mother premediated this murder, it will be very hard for a jury to convict in a DP case....The prosecution wants to be sure to get a conviction and they wouldn't want the DP to cause a juror to cast reasonable doubt on her guilt or innocense.......JMOO

[gaelicpeas]

I don't know why, but I remember being struck by the idea Cindy was leading or trying to lead her that day. I might have to go back and listen.

NOW, do you believe for one second that Cindy was okay with a woman she never met, didn't know how to contact and no phone number to boot having a key to her home? :thumbsup:

ME, not so much.

Was it their first visit when this was happening?No, I don't believe that "Zanny" having a key would have been okay with Cindy.

I THINK this was the first visit, but I could be wrong on that. lol, they all start to run together, especially since we saw the visits weeks and months after they happened. JMO

[ConchGirl]

Good question, lol! Everybody says they want Cindy to shut up, but every appearance she makes sets this thread on fire. Personally, I think it's kind of a cop out to say she "opens herself up." She's not responsible for our opinions....we are. As for what she'll have to say, I wouldn't hazard a guess...content to wait and see/hear. As for those who don't want to...I guess they won't tune in. ;)
jmo

I hope wherever George is they won't let him watch it. moo

[CelticDawn]

Kids should know that by the age of seven years is the old rule I was taught.

(Of course I just found out it's okay to carry a white purse in the winter time now, so don't go by me! )


Im from south LA and at seven I had already had first communion and studied RIGHT FROM WRONG extensively....knew about pugatory ...AND burning in hell and what would get me either place...and what it would take to get me out so NOT to offend people because if you screwed up...you would NEED people to pray you out of purgatory....and if by some chance you found yourself ROASTING .....well TOO BAD.

[sunstar]

Even a sociopath knows that killing is wrong at some level.........but without the ability to feel remorse or guilt what difference does it make if it's wrong?

That's the big difference from the rest of us ~ they don't have a conscience or feel guilt for doing what they know is wrong. MOO

[ConchGirl]

I think Cindy is trying to will us to see things her way, due to her need to keep up appearances, and because she can't believe she can no longer control the image her family has in the public's eye.

She's banking that the sheer force of her personality will sway people to see her and her family the way she wants to be seen. Casey's bad behavior "worked" for her because her parents bailed her out. Until now. Cindy's bad behavior worked for her because no one challenged her -- it was just easier to let her have her way. Until now.

For those who did not see Geraldo in the early days before he became BFF with Jose this was on 7/27/08 He was not very complimentary to George & Cindy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vLhUaYCetk&feature=related

moo

[gaelicpeas]

That would be so sick making! It is a false pretense. It is not congruent with the facts. Caylee was murdered by her mother and only missing because her mother was hiding her crime.

There are, I think a certain type of people who would surround G and C because out of sympathy they could close their eyes to that fact. And aslo because G and C are "people on they've seen on TV" and that impresses them.

But it's promoting a good cause based on a lie. And it would seem more cultish (strong word I know) than wholesome to me.I agree it is under false pretenses. But that is just my feeling as to why Cindy is appearing on TV tonight - assuming she actually does appear. IIRC, Conway even made a statement on the Monday after George's suicide "scare" that he is feeling much better and feels he can help other people in similar situations (my paraphrasing). JMO

[sunstar]

No, I don't believe that "Zanny" having a key would have been okay with Cindy.

I THINK this was the first visit, but I could be wrong on that. lol, they all start to run together, especially since we saw the visits weeks and months after they happened. JMO
I think Cindy would've gone ballistic if she thought some stranger had a key to her house. Of course, a "stranger" already did ~ her own daughter. MOO

[AMS]

What time is Geraldo on tonight? I don't get him here so I will be waiting to read what you guys have to say about the interview.

PL

He's on at 10:00p EST


This Weekend:
• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview
• E-mail the show: atlarge@foxnews.com

[IM4Truth]

No, I don't believe that "Zanny" having a key would have been okay with Cindy.

I THINK this was the first visit, but I could be wrong on that. lol, they all start to run together, especially since we saw the visits weeks and months after they happened. JMO

If Cindy believed Casey that Zanny had a key to the house and if Cindy believed that Zanny kidnapped Caylee why didn't Cindy run out and change the locks on the house immediately? The webcam was up 24/7 then and I don't believe we ever saw that or ever heard about her changing any locks to protect the family!

[dixie77]

Im from south LA and at seven I had already had first communion and studied RIGHT FROM WRONG extensively....knew about pugatory ...AND burning in hell and what would get me either place...and what it would take to get me out so NOT to offend people because if you screwed up...you would NEED people to pray you out of purgatory....and if by some chance you found yourself ROASTING .....well TOO BAD.

============

Great post. I learned the same and taught my kids as well. jmo

[MrsHudson]

I think Cindy is trying to will us to see things her way, due to her need to keep up appearances, and because she can't believe she can no longer control the image her family has in the public's eye.

She's banking that the sheer force of her personality will sway people to see her and her family the way she wants to be seen. Casey's bad behavior "worked" for her because her parents bailed her out. Until now. Cindy's bad behavior worked for her because no one challenged her -- it was just easier to let her have her way. Until now.

I think you are correct. I am not buying it. She is the type that will reel you in and reel you in and BOOM down will come the hammer. I saw her do it to that Spanish lady who was in the crowd of demonstrators.

She was arguing with her big time and then suddenly Cindy took the woman's hand and said, "Your blood pressure is going up, I am a nurse let me help you with that. " Ooooh boy it was a cagey move. The woman was momentarily disarmed. But she recovered and stood her ground pretty well.

Oh watch that Cindy. She tries every phony trick in the book to get the upper hand. Shes not genuine.

Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble....

[gaelicpeas]

I hope and pray they get out of the missing children business. KidFinders are a bunch of vultures who prey on people, George & Cindy included. I don't think a reputable organization would even entertain the idea of using them as spokespeople. mooI agree with both of your statements.

[Mimi428]

I have an eleven year old that doesnt act that silly!....

I sort of think that if children are being raised and then for some odd reason theyre turned off....like the parents stop paying attention and ignore the kid....the kids' mental age or emotional age gets stopped....like arrested development...<and I know my English isnt that good>....but I hope yall understand what Im trying to say.
I have heard the belief expressed among people in 12-step programs like AA that the age your emotional maturity stops is when you start drinking &/or drugging.

I know people who have worked in corrections who would pretty much agree - if you get a person who is say, 40 years old, & has been drinking/drugging since the age of 12-13 - their emotional maturity level is STILL around 12-13, even after they have been sober for a couple of years.

JMO

[marshmallow]

Good question, lol! Everybody says they want Cindy to shut up, but every appearance she makes sets this thread on fire. Personally, I think it's kind of a cop out to say she "opens herself up." She's not responsible for our opinions....we are. As for what she'll have to say, I wouldn't hazard a guess...content to wait and see/hear. As for those who don't want to...I guess they won't tune in. ;)
jmo



actually I was referring more to her Atty saying she's a victim and she doesn't understand why she's not looked upon kindly. A large portion of those distainful feelings toward her are based on her words and actions. When she goes on tv like she is again now, she kind of opens the door for any comments about her.

and in a lesser way, on message board people are often chastised for commenting on her but when she willingly puts herself in the line of fire it's hard to feel totally bad for her.

my opinions once again

[playnice]

I agree it is under false pretenses. But that is just my feeling as to why Cindy is appearing on TV tonight - assuming she actually does appear. IIRC, Conway even made a statement on the Monday after George's suicide "scare" that he is feeling much better and feels he can help other people in similar situations (my paraphrasing). JMO

This case has so many McCann similarities. Maddie wasnt missing a week until "They found their cause." I personally think some people do this for the right reasons and others find its a way to keep money coming in.

[gaelicpeas]

I think Cindy is trying to will us to see things her way, due to her need to keep up appearances, and because she can't believe she can no longer control the image her family has in the public's eye.

She's banking that the sheer force of her personality will sway people to see her and her family the way she wants to be seen. Casey's bad behavior "worked" for her because her parents bailed her out. Until now. Cindy's bad behavior worked for her because no one challenged her -- it was just easier to let her have her way. Until now.Yes, that too. It just amazes me that, at least in my opinion, she has no clue how she "comes off" in her interviews.

[smileyjoe]

This is sad but true. Many women who have been married for years never really know their own husbands and the same goes in reverse. Take the BTK killer, his wife never knew what he was doing and he did it for over 10 years. Have you ever known some deep dark secret about someone and the spouse has no clue and you just shake your head and go "omg if he/she only knew". I have.

Way longer than that. He started in the 70's.

Joe.

[marshmallow]

I hope wherever George is they won't let him watch it. moo


oh I agree.

[MrsHudson]

You sure about that, MrsH? :lol::lol:

Uh no.

I mean YES! :tonguewag:

[?noanswer]

================

I agree with u on the sedatives. Very sad huh?


If she did use sedatives, she must have really been mad. She had time to reconsider before she put the duct tape on her mouth. Is there anything such as pre premediated? JMO

[gaelicpeas]

I think Cindy would've gone ballistic if she thought some stranger had a key to her house. Of course, a "stranger" already did ~ her own daughter. MOOSo true, Sun...

[Barbara fl.]

This is sad but true. Many women who have been married for years never really know their own husbands and the same goes in reverse. Take the BTK killer, his wife never knew what he was doing and he did it for over 10 years. Have you ever known some deep dark secret about someone and the spouse has no clue and you just shake your head and go "omg if he/she only knew". I have.


You are so right...even if you live with a person for years and have children with them...you still don't know them....it is so scary....As much as I try and instill in my granddaughters head about being careful when she starts dating (she's only 11 now, so no time soon) but you really can not be careful sometimes.....you just never know...

[5boxersmom]

I don't know why, but I remember being struck by the idea Cindy was leading or trying to lead her that day. I might have to go back and listen.

NOW, do you believe for one second that Cindy was okay with a woman she never met, didn't know how to contact and no phone number to boot having a key to her home? :thumbsup:

ME, not so much.

Was it their first visit when this was happening?

Because when Casey yes, Zanny has drums, Cindy goes I know whose apartment it is.

jmo

[nana2]

I have heard the belief expressed among people in 12-step programs like AA that the age your emotional maturity stops is when you start drinking &/or drugging.

I know people who have worked in corrections who would pretty much agree - if you get a person who is say, 40 years old, & has been drinking/drugging since the age of 12-13 - their emotional maturity level is STILL around 12-13, even after they have been sober for a couple of years.

JMO

hmmm I wonder if that applies to weed? whether recreational or daily?

[?noanswer]

I would have changed the locks LONG before that....and all my alarm codes....and casey WOULD NOT have access to them either.....at the VERY FIRST that would have been done.

I can't believe they did not know she was coming back to the house. Didn't they miss the food she was taking away. I'm with you, I would have changed the locks. KC would probably broken them same as she did to the shed. JMO

[IM4Truth]

For those who did not see Geraldo in the early days before he became BFF with Jose this was on 7/27/08 He was not very complimentary to George & Cindy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vLhUaYCetk&feature=related

moo

Thanks for that. Amazing what a day out on a yacht will do! I have no doubt he is the one Jose was trying to arrange the $500,000.00 interview with Casey.

[bama__angel]

Yep. Those are the men on the danger list. Also men with last names Peterson. When you come in contact with either....run like he!!



Apologies for being O/T...........but D. Peterson's new ex-fiancee should be forever grateful to her daddy........He came to DP"s home and wouldnt leave until she and her 2 kids left with him............

[CelticDawn]

I have heard the belief expressed among people in 12-step programs like AA that the age your emotional maturity stops is when you start drinking &/or drugging.

I know people who have worked in corrections who would pretty much agree - if you get a person who is say, 40 years old, & has been drinking/drugging since the age of 12-13 - their emotional maturity level is STILL around 12-13, even after they have been sober for a couple of years.

JMO

Exactly....and I believe it....drugs <certain ones in particular> seem to turn off parts of the brain that control conscience and inhibitions.

[MrsHudson]

Im from south LA and at seven I had already had first communion and studied RIGHT FROM WRONG extensively....knew about pugatory ...AND burning in hell and what would get me either place...and what it would take to get me out so NOT to offend people because if you screwed up...you would NEED people to pray you out of purgatory....and if by some chance you found yourself ROASTING .....well TOO BAD.


oH my gOSH!

me TOO! :patriot:

It was all in right there in The Baltimore Catechism! :read:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree it is under false pretenses. But that is just my feeling as to why Cindy is appearing on TV tonight - assuming she actually does appear. IIRC, Conway even made a statement on the Monday after George's suicide "scare" that he is feeling much better and feels he can help other people in similar situations (my paraphrasing). JMO


Gee, I was out all day....Is Cindy going to be on TV tonight? Where? What station? I don't want to miss it......

Thanks

[gaelicpeas]

I think you are correct. I am not buying it. She is the type that will reel you in and reel you in and BOOM down will come the hammer. I saw her do it to that Spanish lady who was in the crowd of demonstrators.

She was arguing with her big time and then suddenly Cindy took the woman's hand and said, "Your blood pressure is going up, I am a nurse let me help you with that. " Ooooh boy it was a cagey move. The woman was momentarily disarmed. But she recovered and stood her ground pretty well.

Oh watch that Cindy. She tries every phony trick in the book to get the upper hand. Shes not genuine.

Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble....I agree... we have seen this over and over. This last visit that we saw between G&C and Casey - before they went into the jail, George got into it with one of the bystanders - and Cindy tries to restrain him - then, like seconds later, SHE is going off on one of the bystanders. And then they get into the visit with Casey, and Cindy says something like "Your father has been lashing out at the public". Very, very passive-aggressive that woman, IMO.

[sunstar]

He's on at 10:00p EST


This Weekend:
• A new twist in the Casey Anthony case...and the tabloids are running rampant. But we'll separate fact from fiction behind the headlines as this heart-wrenching saga continues
• Plus, Geraldo sits down Casey's mom Cindy Anthony
in an EXCLUSIVE interview
• E-mail the show: atlarge@foxnews.com

This should be interesting! I wonder if the interview is going to be "live" or if he's already taped it?

[Mimi428]

Even a sociopath knows that killing is wrong at some level.........but without the ability to feel remorse or guilt what difference does it make if it's wrong?


Yep, that's the h#ll of it. And that applies whether the person has violence on their minds or has no compunction about stealing you blind on the corporate level (think Enron).

Depending on what motivates them, there are some that you can use the "think of what an inconvenience it would be to you, to do what you want, if you are arrested, convicted & in JAIL". They CAN comprehend things like that. They can certainly figure out before they commit a crime what jail & incarceration is all about.

But for the ones who are craving that adrenaline rush & who get it from violence - OMG, they are untouchable on just about any level. They will adjust to prison & have a field day manipulating everyone in there. They could not care less of the consequences.

JMO

[Januarybaby]

I can't believe they did not know she was coming back to the house. Didn't they miss the food she was taking away. I'm with you, I would have changed the locks. KC would probably broken them same as she did to the shed. JMO

Ive always wondered about the food and things too. If my daughter took off like that and thought she was going to be on her own, Id be telling her my house is not a grocery store for her and her friends.

I also think if Casey wanted a way into the house, she would ahve found a way no matter what.

[VC2]

Nope, my ex killed his 3 yr old niece. It was just his family, there wasnt another family involved.

I considered her like my own because of all the time taking care of her and the love I had for her. She was my niece through marriage

aww hugs january. I am so sorry you had to go through that.

I still say that in most cases the wishes of the victims family are considered before the prosecution decides to seek the death penalty and in most cases a prosecutor will not put the family in that position if there is no other family members asking for the dp.
In this case that fact that caysee is female and young makes it less likely as well.

imo