Friday, Jan. 30th, part III

[aubrey04]

Oops.. We were way over 1,000 posts.. Here we go..

[bluwaters]

2 threads.
Carry on here:
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12723643&posted=1#post12723643

[marshmallow]

other than the two we saw, were any other members of the defense team in court today?

[marshmallow]

other than the two we saw, were any other members of the defense team in court today?

[need2no]

is this the thread we are using or is it the other PART 3 we should post to?

Yes, the man who was sitting at the defense table last time, and gave casey paper and pen...he was also there today, can't think of his name.

[bluwaters]

other than the two we saw, were any other members of the defense team in court today?
Other than one of the attorneys fron Baez' firm, I did not see anyone.
Tim Miller was not there either.
I would not have been surprised to see him, he was so hot over Baez' motion to get TES' records.

Lenny!:wub:

[Destini]

False alarm on memorial

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-funeral,0,4277267.story

Anthony attorney: No date set for Caylee Marie Anthony memorial

For a few moments on Friday, it seemed that a memorial service for slain Orange County toddler Caylee Marie Anthony was about to happen and that the little girl whose disappearance has captivated the country would finally be put to rest.

[Calla]

I hope Cindy watched the hearing today..while she sat with her hand over her mouth and tears streaming down her face, I hope seeing Casey smiling, as if she were at a luncheon made an impression on Cindy. I know she couldn't look her in the eyes, but she was bound to see her actions and demeanor were not that of someone who has suffered such a loss.

I thought I heard recent statements by the defense that Casey is innocent...
Umm there goes the "accidental , got scared, lied about it " defense.

This girl has no chance. This is a waste of time and money

[aubrey04]

Oops. Looks like we both opened a thread at the same time, bluwaters. I was scared that was going to happen.. We were over 1,000 - I think that is why we got shut down.

Back on topic: I didn't realize that Linda Kenney-Baden cited a case from the 1940's, in an effort to get the prosecutors kicked off the case. I don't think anyone can say the lady isn't thorough.

[sunstar]

Hi everybody :seeya: Nancy's show is on and she's focused on Casey's attire in court today and why Cindy didn't show up for the hearing.

[5boxersmom]

Anthony attorney: No date set for Caylee Marie memorial
Jan 30, 2009 20:12 -0500
Updated: 17 minutes ago


For a few moments on Friday, it seemed that a memorial service for slain Orange County toddler Caylee Marie Anthony was about to happen and that the little girl whose disappearance has captivated the country would finally be put to rest.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/


:confused:

[Lavenia]

Ahem....
I just:blushing: want to say that I did not intend to cause a stir with my post on the last thread.
Y'all give me credit for being waaay more clever than I really am!

LOL! I wondered if that got us run off. :laugh:

So is the memorial off? What's the latest?

[need2no]

LOL...last night Padilla said Cindy WOULD be at the hearing today...now he is doing the back slide on NG.

[velvetbrown]

Ahem....
I just:blushing: want to say that I did not intend to cause a stir with my post on the last thread.
Y'all give me credit for being waaay more clever than I really am!

Thank God others saw it too, I thought it was just ME! You are subliminally clever!

[Janz]

OHHH, I agree with Lenny, Cindy wants to control the media, but can`t right now....

[Calla]

Agreed Mrs. Hudson. Leave the family alone with their grief (and guilt) and let them get on with it. Bury this sweet baby in a respectable manner.

I know I've said it so many times before, but before investing Lord knows how much money for a public memorial, please send funds to find children like 6 yr. old Adji Desir Immokalee, Fl (Collier Cty) Sat. 1/6/09. IMHO it's time to move on and let the killer have her day in court. A child goes missing every hour and so far this case has taken up too much of the airways time. I mean no disrespect - really. But why Caylee, when SO many others are missing - Caylee has been found.

If I hurt anyone's feelings, I apologize. I still follow this case, but not as closely, as I pretty much know what the outcome will be.

Oh and the millions the Floridians have to pay for this case should NOT have to be paid with by public funding. That just makes me ill. KC will be declared destitute and 2 horned Baez will send a big ol' fat bill when KC is on death row.

I don't take any offense. I completely understand your point. I too will be following other cases more closely than this one.

[cloe23]

Brought this over from another thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk

[bchand]

Anthony attorney: No date set for Caylee Marie memorial
Jan 30, 2009 20:12 -0500
Updated: 17 minutes ago


For a few moments on Friday, it seemed that a memorial service for slain Orange County toddler Caylee Marie Anthony was about to happen and that the little girl whose disappearance has captivated the country would finally be put to rest.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/


:confused:

Unbelievable -

When memorial service isn't a memorial: Caylee story takes twists

7:45 p.m. A family spokesman says First Baptist Orlando's memorial is not the family's sanctioned event, though there were talks with the church that never led to a confirmation.

7:19 p.m. First Baptist Orlando just announced it will host a public memorial service for Caylee Marie Anthony at 10 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009. It will be in the main Worship Center of its campus on John Young Parkway. The church is at 3000 S. John Young Parkway. The church's Web site is www.firstorlando.com. The church also released this statement from Dr. David Uth, Senior Pastor of First Baptist Orlando: "I believe God placed First Baptist Church of Orlando here in Central Florida to make a difference in this community, and to love this community. We believe our purpose is to be a lighthouse, especially in difficult and dark times. One of those times is now as we have all been saddened by the death of Caylee Anthony.


So it wasn't the Anthony's idea after all.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-hearing-013009,0,6545661.story

[shelbar53]

Bringing these over to refer to.


video of casey and baez.....pen incident

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk

Casey entering courtroom in handcuffs

http://www.wesh.com/video/18602633/index.html


Questions from lawyer to casey regarding ZG

http://www.wftv.com/news/18606616/detail.html#-

[sailordog]

LOL...last night Padilla said Cindy WOULD be at the hearing today...now he is doing the back slide on NG.

Let me tell you how to speak Padilla - whatever he says, the opposite is the truth.

[bluwaters]

Agreed Mrs. Hudson. Leave the family alone with their grief (and guilt) and let them get on with it. Bury this sweet baby in a respectable manner.

I know I've said it so many times before, but before investing Lord knows how much money for a public memorial, please send funds to find children like 6 yr. old Adji Desir Immokalee, Fl (Collier Cty) Sat. 1/6/09. IMHO it's time to move on and let the killer have her day in court. A child goes missing every hour and so far this case has taken up too much of the airways time. I mean no disrespect - really. But why Caylee, when SO many others are missing - Caylee has been found.

If I hurt anyone's feelings, I apologize. I still follow this case, but not as closely, as I pretty much know what the outcome will be.

Oh and the millions the Floridians have to pay for this case should NOT have to be paid with by public funding. That just makes me ill. KC will be declared destitute and 2 horned Baez will send a big ol' fat bill when KC is on death row.

You don't hurt my feelings and you have valid points.
No child should ever go missing and come to harm.
However, this is the Caylee M Anthony thread and this is a true crime/trial message board.
We will follow this case through to the end and it hasn't even gone to trial yet.
This is the first case that I have ever followed on this board that had not yet gone to trial.
We've got a long ways yet to go.

[playnice]

Unbelievable -

When memorial service isn't a memorial: Caylee story takes twists

7:45 p.m. A family spokesman says First Baptist Orlando's memorial is not the family's sanctioned event, though there were talks with the church that never led to a confirmation.

I really believe there is something going on with Casey and her parents and she is using Caylees remains to punish them and show them she is still in control.

[bchand]

I have seen the pictures, and viewed the links thread but is there a more detailed synopsis of today's happenings that anyone is willing to offer? Please.

3 motions -

1 - Jose wants to inspect the crime scene - granted
2 - Jose wanted records from EquuSearch - denied
3 - Jose and Linda wanted the prosection recused - denied


No trial date set - may be at the end of the year. The Judge may set a date for another status hearing in about 60 days.

[shelbar53]

video of casey and baez.....pen incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk

Casey entering courtroom in handcuffs
http://www.wesh.com/video/18602633/index.html


Questions from lawyer Morgan to casey regarding ZG
http://www.wftv.com/news/18606616/detail.html#-

[bchand]

This family amazes me. :cursing:

I haven't seen the other 2 websites change the announcement yet. At Wesh I found this -

Specific details about the service will be released as soon as additional information is available.

Caylee's immediate family will attend the memorial service.

[need2no]

I am surprised at the big deal over KC and how she was dressed today by the media.

First: When I go to work, I wear a suit. When I go to church, I wear a dress. When I go out dancing, I wear a cool top and pants. IMO, This is a non-issue. If I had to go to court (which I thankfully I haven't), I would wear a suit, something conservative.

Second: IMO, Casey was confident today. Laughing and grinning at people. She thinks this whole thing is a joke. She has no idea. She really has no idea.

Third: I wish Nancy Grace would shut up and let her guests talk.

Peace everyone.

I don't really care what she wears, it won't change who she is, but I believe everybody should benefit from the same treatment.


PERSONAL CLOTHING:
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Court clothes may be delivered to the DOD facility, where you are being housed, twenty-four (24) hours a day, seven days a week. You may obtain your court clothing on the evening before your court appearance by letting the alpha shift deputy know that you are required to wear court clothes in the morning. Court clothing cannot be borrowed or exchanged. Personal court clothing cannot be worn except during the time you are in court for a jury trial.
Violation of this rule may result in disciplinary action.

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2 and 3, I agree. :biggrin:

[101Spots]

Oops. Looks like we both opened a thread at the same time, bluwaters. I was scared that was going to happen.. We were over 1,000 - I think that is why we got shut down.

Back on topic: I didn't realize that Linda Kenney-Baden cited a case from the 1940's, in an effort to get the prosecutors kicked off the case. I don't think anyone can say the lady isn't thorough.

Maybe it's just that she requires thoroughness from her paralegals and/or flunkies.

Bet she didn't break a sweat over finding this.

[velvetbrown]

I am surprised at the big deal over KC and how she was dressed today by the media.

First: When I go to work, I wear a suit. When I go to church, I wear a dress. When I go out dancing, I wear a cool top and pants. IMO, This is a non-issue. If I had to go to court (which I thankfully I haven't), I would wear a suit, something conservative.

Second: IMO, Casey was confident today. Laughing and grinning at people. She thinks this whole thing is a joke. She has no idea. She really has no idea.

Third: I wish Nancy Grace would shut up and let her guests talk.

Peace everyone.

1 )You actually have a job
2) You go to church
3) ITA, I love Nancy, but she does need to shut up
4) You are NOT a narcissistic, uneducated, poser/loser, murdering biotch!

Peace! :)

[101Spots]

Well thats weird.

I bet the pastor who was quoted in the "Here's the memorial info" article is puzzled, too.

[sailordog]

video of casey and baez.....pen incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk

Casey entering courtroom in handcuffs
http://www.wesh.com/video/18602633/index.html


Questions from lawyer Morgan to casey regarding ZG
http://www.wftv.com/news/18606616/detail.html#-

OOoh I don't think he was happy at all about the pen thing. I don't see that as a smirk as much as a "I am gonna kill her" kinda look. How stupid is she? Doesn't she realize she isn't in a back booth at Fusion?

[WillowInFlight]

What in the world do they think they can pin on Jesse Grund?

[IM4Truth]

Anyone notice that NG is pre-recorded? No phone calls and her interviews with reporters from the courthouse are during daylight hours. She missed out on the bombshell of the memorial on Tuesday!

[WillowInFlight]

Anyone notice that NG is pre-recorded? No phone calls and her interviews with reporters from the courthouse are during daylight hours. She missed out on the bombshell of the memorial on Tuesday!

I think she tapes in the early afternoon.

[sailordog]

What in the world do they think they can pin on Jesse Grund?

Yeah, he already had a paternity test proving he wasn't the dad! Or maybe they are going to try and pin the paternity on another "suspect?" coughLeecough ...

[bchand]

Anyone notice that NG is pre-recorded? No phone calls and her interviews with reporters from the courthouse are during daylight hours. She missed out on the bombshell of the memorial on Tuesday!

That's good because it apparently isn't going to happen. The Anthonys are saying it's not "their sanctioned" memorial.

[playnice]

What in the world do they think they can pin on Jesse Grund?

I dont see why he would have to turn over his dna. It is documented proof that he isnt the father. Wouldnt there be something that could be released stating he isnt but not his dna profile ?

[sailordog]

Anyone notice that NG is pre-recorded? No phone calls and her interviews with reporters from the courthouse are during daylight hours. She missed out on the bombshell of the memorial on Tuesday!

She has Gymboree with THE TWINS on Friday.:wink:

[101Spots]

Maybe she remembered it from personal knowledge!:rolleyes:



--------> zing! [splat]

:lol:

[WillowInFlight]

Yeah, he already had a paternity test proving he wasn't the dad! Or maybe they are going to try and pin the paternity on another "suspect?" coughLeecough ...

Plus he took and passed a LD test.

[happygert]

Unbelievable -

When memorial service isn't a memorial: Caylee story takes twists

7:45 p.m. A family spokesman says First Baptist Orlando's memorial is not the family's sanctioned event, though there were talks with the church that never led to a confirmation.

7:19 p.m. First Baptist Orlando just announced it will host a public memorial service for Caylee Marie Anthony at 10 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009. It will be in the main Worship Center of its campus on John Young Parkway. The church is at 3000 S. John Young Parkway. The church's Web site is www.firstorlando.com. The church also released this statement from Dr. David Uth, Senior Pastor of First Baptist Orlando: "I believe God placed First Baptist Church of Orlando here in Central Florida to make a difference in this community, and to love this community. We believe our purpose is to be a lighthouse, especially in difficult and dark times. One of those times is now as we have all been saddened by the death of Caylee Anthony.


So it wasn't the Anthony's idea after all.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-hearing-013009,0,6545661.story

I guess not its been 40 days since her body was released and she's still in a cardboard box in a cooler... IMO treated in death like she was in life.. What planet are they from?...jmo...

[need2no]

Anyone notice that NG is pre-recorded? No phone calls and her interviews with reporters from the courthouse are during daylight hours. She missed out on the bombshell of the memorial on Tuesday!

Yes, I noticed, and it explains why Nancy is on the show on a Friday, lately she mostly works 4 days. I guess Nancy didn't want to miss out on covering the hearing so she taped the show this afternoon. As for the memorial the info has already changed, so not much loss there unless her on the scene reporters could have updated her during the show. At any rate this will give her something to discuss Monday.

[shelbar53]

I dont see why he would have to turn over his dna. It is documented proof that he isnt the father. Wouldnt there be something that could be released stating he isnt but not his dna profile ?

I thought he asked for ALL the DNA results, not just jessies. I was thinking that was a sneaky way to get that info out to the public with the sunshine laws, then we will all understand why casey did what she did and dmeand her immediate release for jail.

[tmw]

Originally Posted by MrsHudson
A public memorial has the potential to be a big can of worms anyway. I sort of think they should not even be having a public memorial. It's all too much of a show. She was a sweet little girl not Mother Teresa or Princess Diana. Well maybe if the memorial is short and sweet it will be okay. I hope so anyway.


I also do not think they should have a public memorial. I don't hink Casey should be allowed to go. I do not have a problem with the Anthony's saying who can and cannot come when they have a private memorial. And I think the Anthony's totally enabled Casey her whole live.



JMO

[MrsHudson]

Agreed Mrs. Hudson. Leave the family alone with their grief (and guilt) and let them get on with it. Bury this sweet baby in a respectable manner.

I know I've said it so many times before, but before investing Lord knows how much money for a public memorial, please send funds to find children like 6 yr. old Adji Desir Immokalee, Fl (Collier Cty) Sat. 1/6/09. IMHO it's time to move on and let the killer have her day in court. A child goes missing every hour and so far this case has taken up too much of the airways time. I mean no disrespect - really. But why Caylee, when SO many others are missing - Caylee has been found.

If I hurt anyone's feelings, I apologize. I still follow this case, but not as closely, as I pretty much know what the outcome will be.

Oh and the millions the Floridians have to pay for this case should NOT have to be paid with by public funding. That just makes me ill. KC will be declared destitute and 2 horned Baez will send a big ol' fat bill when KC is on death row.


Sadly, I agree with you, I don`t see things changing with the Ants. Your vision is prob. prophetic, Still the focus will not be on Caylee.


It's going to open a big can of worms if in the service the guests in any way feel they are being drawn in to supporting Casey. She is the mother, I don't have a clue how they will conduct a service without mentioning her. It's a recipe for disaster.

The whole thing is a bad idea. No one in the public NEEDS to mourn or remember Caylee in a special service. That's for the relatives and friends who actually knew her.

I am sure I will get a lecture that I need sensitivity training but I don't care.

[bchand]

I guess not its been 40 days since her body was released and she's still in a cardboard box in a cooler... IMO treated in death like she was in life.. What planet are they from?...jmo...


The apparently "were" in talks with the church but an agreement wasn't reached. Makes you think they are negotiating for something doesn't it?


Off to watch Monk - bbl.

[cloe23]

Brought this over from another thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk

iggie this link. I ment to bring over another one.

[MrsHudson]

Unbelievable -

When memorial service isn't a memorial: Caylee story takes twists

7:45 p.m. A family spokesman says First Baptist Orlando's memorial is not the family's sanctioned event, though there were talks with the church that never led to a confirmation.

7:19 p.m. First Baptist Orlando just announced it will host a public memorial service for Caylee Marie Anthony at 10 a.m. Feb. 10, 2009. It will be in the main Worship Center of its campus on John Young Parkway. The church is at 3000 S. John Young Parkway. The church's Web site is www.firstorlando.com. The church also released this statement from Dr. David Uth, Senior Pastor of First Baptist Orlando: "I believe God placed First Baptist Church of Orlando here in Central Florida to make a difference in this community, and to love this community. We believe our purpose is to be a lighthouse, especially in difficult and dark times. One of those times is now as we have all been saddened by the death of Caylee Anthony.


So it wasn't the Anthony's idea after all.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-hearing-013009,0,6545661.story

Well how about that!

So is this it? The only public memorial?

[101Spots]

Why did LKB get involved in this case? Money or national TV face time?

Obvious answer: both.

[summer4meplz]

It's going to open a big can of worms if in the service the guests in any way feel they are being drawn in to supporting Casey. She is the mother, I don't have a clue how they will conduct a service without mentioning her. It's a recipe for disaster.

The whole thing is a bad idea. No one in the public NEEDS to mourn or remember Caylee in a special service. That's for the relatives and friends who actually knew her.

I am sure I will get a lecture that I need sensitivity training but I don't care.


ITA they should skip the public memorial service....the public has already paid their respects with the beautiful memorial site they have put up.....the anthonys need to bury her privately....IMO

[IM4Truth]

Ok, I'm sure Cindy put the bracelet in Casey's suit pocket but it just shows how stupid Jose is for not inspecting it before trying to take it in! Good for OCC!

[sunstar]

I don't really care what she wears, it won't change who she is, but I believe everybody should benefit from the same treatment.


PERSONAL CLOTHING:
Court clothes are only accepted before your jury trial. If you are scheduled for a jury trial, you may have court clothes brought to the facility in which you are housed. You are limited to storing one (1) set of court clothing in the property room, unless special provisions are made by your attorney and approval is received from the Department of Detention. At no time is court clothing allowed to be stored in your cell. The Inmate Property Unit is responsible for approving court clothing requests. Sneakers and boots are not accepted as court clothing.

Court clothes may be delivered to the DOD facility, where you are being housed, twenty-four (24) hours a day, seven days a week. You may obtain your court clothing on the evening before your court appearance by letting the alpha shift deputy know that you are required to wear court clothes in the morning. Court clothing cannot be borrowed or exchanged. Personal court clothing cannot be worn except during the time you are in court for a jury trial.
Violation of this rule may result in disciplinary action.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:G_77CkDYoFYJ:sheriff.org/about_bso/dodcc/info/Inmate_Handbook.pdf+can+inmates+choose+to+wear+str eet+clothes+to+court+hearings+in+FL&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us


2 and 3, I agree. :biggrin:

Thanks for the information! I agree with you, it should be the same for everybody but isn't the purpose of allowing a defendant to wear street clothes to trial to give the defendant the presumption of innocence before the jury? So, if these hearings are all televised, doesn't that affect the potential jury pool? :shrug: MOO

[shelbar53]

Nope - if you look again, when KC gets up you see Baez look at her arss quite a few times. ICK!

Fond memories I guess.

LOL, your right, I didnt notice that before.

[myownopera]

<respectually snipped>

Loved the smiles! I don't even want Cindy or Lee to see that one.

It reminds me of what Jesse Grund said "she always had someone waiting in the wings".

Baez keeps going on "no one knows what really happened". Yah I do - you 2 were probably going at it in the lawyers office during all those "day visits".

Both of them make me want to vomit.

Oh, and aren't they so cute together!!!!!

:sad:


I laughed at loud at this -- you are soo right!! The post of the day (and it's been some day):ohmy:

[IM4Truth]

It's going to open a big can of worms if in the service the guests in any way feel they are being drawn in to supporting Casey. She is the mother, I don't have a clue how they will conduct a service without mentioning her. It's a recipe for disaster.

The whole thing is a bad idea. No one in the public NEEDS to mourn or remember Caylee in a special service. That's for the relatives and friends who actually knew her.

I am sure I will get a lecture that I need sensitivity training but I don't care.

I agreed in the beginning that there should be a public memorial but most of the people who helped in the search aren't even from Orlando. And now as much time that has passed, I believe it should be private with family & close friends.

[MrsHudson]

This family amazes me. :cursing:

Why would they need remains to have a memorial?


Oh well.

[summer4meplz]

Ok, I'm sure Cindy put the bracelet in Casey's suit pocket but it just shows how stupid Jose is for not inspecting it before trying to take it in! Good for OCC!


baez might need to be told twice......

[8BellesFan]

LOL, your right, I didnt notice that before.

I didn't either, but my husband did.

[IM4Truth]

ITA they should skip the public memorial service....the public has already paid their respects with the beautiful memorial site they have put up.....the anthonys need to bury her privately....IMO

I totally agree. Don't create another circus.

[Calla]

So did anyone hear Lenny Padilla say that Geroge said he was tired of living a lie.

I still like Lenny...I don't care if he was wrong about Cindy showing up for the hearing. So were alot of other people, but I still like them too:biggrin:

[kitty1182]

bracelet? what have i missed?



http://www.wftv.com/news/18606881/detail.html

[MrsHudson]

ITA they should skip the public memorial service....the public has already paid their respects with the beautiful memorial site they have put up.....the anthonys need to bury her privately....IMO

That is an excellent point. The A's should state it that way and then drop it.

[tmw]

I know this will sound shallow, but my dtr (adult) remarked on Caseys full breasts. I said to her I think she has implants. I noticed it from the earlier pictures at fusion. I thought maybe the $5,000 she put on moms credit card was the boob job.


She looks like she is built like her mother to me.

[Janz]

I totally agree. Don't create another circus.

In total agreement on this as well.

[Calla]

She looks like she is built like her mother to me.

I think so too

and she is so used to wearing the prison blues that it was uncomfortable to be in a jacket.
I know how that feels when I have to come out of my t-shirts for work.:laugh:

[IM4Truth]

I think she tapes in the early afternoon.

She's always live. This one was taped though.

[sailordog]

Ok, I'm sure Cindy put the bracelet in Casey's suit pocket but it just shows how stupid Jose is for not inspecting it before trying to take it in! Good for OCC!

I just read an article from WFTV (posted about three hours ago) that said Baez is the one that wanted her to wear the bracelet (jury pool tainting). The suit jacket was furnished by Jose too - he dropped off the clothes earlier in the week. There was no mention of Cindy having a hand in either.

[Dells]

Agreed Mrs. Hudson. Leave the family alone with their grief (and guilt) and let them get on with it. Bury this sweet baby in a respectable manner.

I know I've said it so many times before, but before investing Lord knows how much money for a public memorial, please send funds to find children like 6 yr. old Adji Desir Immokalee, Fl (Collier Cty) Sat. 1/6/09. IMHO it's time to move on and let the killer have her day in court. A child goes missing every hour and so far this case has taken up too much of the airways time. I mean no disrespect - really. But why Caylee, when SO many others are missing - Caylee has been found.

If I hurt anyone's feelings, I apologize. I still follow this case, but not as closely, as I pretty much know what the outcome will be.

Oh and the millions the Floridians have to pay for this case should NOT have to be paid with by public funding. That just makes me ill. KC will be declared destitute and 2 horned Baez will send a big ol' fat bill when KC is on death row.

I don't feel there should be a public memorial either. It has been so much time since Caylee's remains were found and identified, and so many have already paid their respects to Caylee at the memorial that was created at the site where Caylee was found. Also, I don't like that there seem to be stipulations on who is invited and who is not invited. A public memorial should be for everyone. The private memorial is where you can pick and choose to invite. I think the Anthony's should have their private memorial and leave it at that.

Please don't throw too many tomatoes at me!:blushing:

[happygert]

video of casey and baez.....pen incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk

Casey entering courtroom in handcuffs
http://www.wesh.com/video/18602633/index.html


Questions from lawyer Morgan to casey regarding ZG
http://www.wftv.com/news/18606616/detail.html#-

Dang thought there'd be at least 100 questions.......only 17..
In my divorce I had at least 75 and some have several parts to them...dang still can't get over only 17.....shaking my head....

[sailordog]

She looks like she is built like her mother to me.

Yeah, I say implants too.

[MrsHudson]

So did anyone hear Lenny Padilla say that Geroge said he was tired of living a lie.

I still like Lenny...I don't care if he was wrong about Cindy showing up for the hearing. So were alot of other people, but I still like them too:biggrin:

I like Lenny too.

[kitty1182]

In total agreement on this as well.



Me too....

[shelbar53]

bracelet? what have i missed?

Oh didnt you hear? Baez gave casey a bracelet, they are engaged now. Judge Strickland will presdie over the services and MN will be best man

[cloe23]

video of casey and baez.....pen incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk

Casey entering courtroom in handcuffs
http://www.wesh.com/video/18602633/index.html


Questions from lawyer Morgan to casey regarding ZG
http://www.wftv.com/news/18606616/detail.html#-

TY very much for the links.

[Calla]

I just read an article from WFTV (posted about three hours ago) that said Baez is the one that wanted her to wear the bracelet (jury pool tainting). The suit jacket was furnished by Jose too - he dropped off the clothes earlier in the week. There was no mention of Cindy having a hand in either.

Interesting.
I found it odd when it was mentioned that Cindy may have provided the clothes.
For some reason, I do not think Cindy is going to take part in any of it. And needless to say, Casey will NOT miss her. I keep thinking back to Lee telling Casey to basically cut the crap because he is not going to be played like mom and dad have. (my words -translation of what he said in that phone call)

[Janz]

Oh didnt you hear? Baez gave casey a bracelet, they are engaged now. Judge Strickland will presdie over the services and MN will be best man

Too funny, Shel! Nice, too after watching that sick azz defense team......

[MrsHudson]

I just read an article from WFTV (posted about three hours ago) that said Baez is the one that wanted her to wear the bracelet (jury pool tainting). The suit jacket was furnished by Jose too - he dropped off the clothes earlier in the week. There was no mention of Cindy having a hand in either.

Well then I take it all back! :blushing:

[IM4Truth]

I just read an article from WFTV (posted about three hours ago) that said Baez is the one that wanted her to wear the bracelet (jury pool tainting). The suit jacket was furnished by Jose too - he dropped off the clothes earlier in the week. There was no mention of Cindy having a hand in either.

Interesting. He should be sanctioned in some way over this. From what I understand the judge didn't have to allow regular clothing for her unless it is a trial. I hope they make her come in her prison blues from here on until trial. It would serve JB right.

[sailordog]

Interesting.
I found it odd when it was mentioned that Cindy may have provided the clothes.
For some reason, I do not think Cindy is going to take part in any of it. And needless to say, Casey will NOT miss her. I keep thinking back to Lee telling Casey to basically cut the crap because he is not going to be played like mom and dad have. (my words -translation of what he said in that phone call)

Yeah, I think Cindy is totally off the grid now. Either by her own intention or by Casey's - or both.

[8BellesFan]

I don't feel there should be a public memorial either. It has been so much time since Caylee's remains were found and identified, and so many have already paid their respects to Caylee at the memorial that was created at the site where Caylee was found. Also, I don't like that there seem to be stipulations on who is invited and who is not invited. A public memorial should be for everyone. The private memorial is where you can pick and choose to invite. I think the Anthony's should have their private memorial and leave it at that.

Please don't throw too many tomatoes at me!:blushing:


no tomatoes, I agree with you. There are so many things that the public could do to memorialize Caylee in a positive and beautiful light. I live nowhere near, but when she was found I felt the need as a mother to do something. y'all moms know what I mean. I bought a book and donated it in her name to my local library since Caylee seemed to love books.

[dixie77]

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????

[Janz]

You certainly don't need sensitivity training (we'll leave that to KC, Lee, and Cindy). We remember everyone in our own way. I still remember when Polly Klass and Danielle Van Dam disappeared. DVD's memorial in La Jolla (close to where I live was beautiful and heartfelt). I didn't go - but it was on the television. It was really a chance for the searchers, LE, family, and friends to say good-bye. In their case, they did not have a private ceremony, as they took her ashes home, where they still are today. Jessica Lunsford also had a lovely ceremony, and the public was given a special park in her name. Jessica's dad said it best:

The Jessica Marie Lunsford Foundation has been established to help children in crisis. Our children are our last hope in this world. There is an evil that preys on the innocence of these precious souls and the Jessica Marie Lunsford Foundation is a result of one man's struggle with this evil which has claimed his daughter's life. We cannot get rid of this evil...but we can contain it, so that our children can be free.

In the Caylee case, I see things happening much differently.

Peace,

Great Post, Until. I loved Jessie`s dad, he had class.

[sunstar]

I think so too

and she is so used to wearing the prison blues that it was uncomfortable to be in a jacket.
I know how that feels when I have to come out of my t-shirts for work.:laugh:

It definitely seemed too tight when buttoned, but a larger size might have been baggy looking on her arms. I heard Jean Casares comment that the pants might have been from her jail garb but these looked like they had side pockets. The outfit definitely wasn't the "extreme makeover" Nancy described. MOO :)

[sailordog]

Interesting. He should be sanctioned in some way over this. From what I understand the judge didn't have to allow regular clothing for her unless it is a trial. I hope they make her come in her prison blues from here on until trial. It would serve JB right.

According to the article, this isn't the first time he's broken the jail rules. He's hugged her a number of times, despite being aware that physical contact is not permitted.

[kitty1182]

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????



Gosh, I missed that....Had to leave the tv for a few minutes...

[sunstar]

Oh didnt you hear? Baez gave casey a bracelet, they are engaged now. Judge Strickland will presdie over the services and MN will be best man

Who's MN? If it's the attorney, he's working for TES now. :)

[CelticDawn]

It's going to open a big can of worms if in the service the guests in any way feel they are being drawn in to supporting Casey. She is the mother, I don't have a clue how they will conduct a service without mentioning her. It's a recipe for disaster.

The whole thing is a bad idea. No one in the public NEEDS to mourn or remember Caylee in a special service. That's for the relatives and friends who actually knew her.

I am sure I will get a lecture that I need sensitivity training but I don't care.

I had to go take that once for work...


I still dont think a public memorial is necessary either....
I am a little too emotionally invested in this case....but I still know I am not a parent grandparent or any other close relative of hers....and I never even met her.

I also think lots of people are angry because they were called to some kind of action ....and then pretty much spat upon by the anthonys and feel an emotional investment for that reason..

[Calla]

It definitely seemed too tight when buttoned, but a larger size might have been baggy looking on her arms. I heard Jean Casares comment that the pants might have been from her jail garb but these looked like they had side pockets. The outfit definitely wasn't the "extreme makeover" Nancy described. MOO :)

And to go as far as to do it and then to hear it reported that her hair isn't long enough for a bun so it was likely a hairpiece.LOL
Who cares...Lipstick on a pig is still a pig. (can i say that?)

[sailordog]

It definitely seemed too tight when buttoned, but a larger size might have been baggy looking on her arms. I heard Jean Casares comment that the pants might have been from her jail garb but these looked like they had side pockets. The outfit definitely wasn't the "extreme makeover" Nancy described. MOO :)

Yes, from the waist down, she was jail regulation - including the flip flops. They just "dressed up" the on-camera portion of Casey. I don't think they realized she would be shown full-body walking in and out of court.

[shelbar53]

Who's MN? If it's who I think you mean, he's working for TES now. :)

nejame, wow I have alot of respect for him, he was great in court

[MrsHudson]

You certainly don't need sensitivity training (we'll leave that to KC, Lee, and Cindy). We remember everyone in our own way. I still remember when Polly Klass and Danielle Van Dam disappeared. DVD's memorial in La Jolla (close to where I live was beautiful and heartfelt). I didn't go - but it was on the television. It was really a chance for the searchers, LE, family, and friends to say good-bye. In their case, they did not have a private ceremony, as they took her ashes home, where they still are today. Jessica Lunsford also had a lovely ceremony, and the public was given a special park in her name. Jessica's dad said it best:

The Jessica Marie Lunsford Foundation has been established to help children in crisis. Our children are our last hope in this world. There is an evil that preys on the innocence of these precious souls and the Jessica Marie Lunsford Foundation is a result of one man's struggle with this evil which has claimed his daughter's life. We cannot get rid of this evil...but we can contain it, so that our children can be free.

In the Caylee case, I see things happening much differently.

Peace,

You are so right. Caylee's case is different by a large degree. In the above cases there was a common ground among all the participants. In Caylee's case there are divisions that are very complex and intense.

[IM4Truth]

According to the article, this isn't the first time he's broken the jail rules. He's hugged her a number of times, despite being aware that physical contact is not permitted.

I know! Why are they letting him get by with these things? Something should have happened after the first warning. He is an attorney FGS that is teaching student now! He either doesn't know the rules or just ignores them.

[sailordog]

And to go as far as to do it and then to hear it reported that her hair isn't long enough for a bun so it was likely a hairpiece.LOL
Who cares...Lipstick on a pig is still a pig. (can i say that?)

Oh they are full of baloney. Her hair is plenty long now. She could easily put her hair in a bun. They are waaayyyy over analyzing this!

[CelticDawn]

Oh didnt you hear? Baez gave casey a bracelet, they are engaged now. Judge Strickland will presdie over the services and MN will be best man

omg !! barf The visual I get of the nuptials!!!! barf

[happygert]

Oh didnt you hear? Baez gave casey a bracelet, they are engaged now. Judge Strickland will presdie over the services and MN will be best man

Are these new bracelets that they had made up and are now selling?

[kitty1182]

Yes, from the waist down, she was jail regulation - including the flip flops. They just "dressed up" the on-camera portion of Casey. I don't think they realized she would be shown full-body walking in and out of court.

I thought she had on white socks and black shoes:confused:

[IM4Truth]

And to go as far as to do it and then to hear it reported that her hair isn't long enough for a bun so it was likely a hairpiece.LOL
Who cares...Lipstick on a pig is still a pig. (can i say that?)

I was wondering who fixed her hair like that. At first I thought maybe LKB helped in dressing her and fixing her hair until I saw LKB! Talk about lipstick on a ......., not going to say it.

[sailordog]

I know! Why are they letting him get by with these things? Something should have happened after the first warning. He is an attorney FGS that is teaching student now! He either doesn't know the rules or just ignores them.

I guess because he is so high profile and so willing to make a stink that he's kind of bullying everyone by pushing the boundaries. Sort of saying, "I dare you do say something to me!" Then he can cry "They KEPT me from my client!" (He's such a whiner.) Let's hope he keeps pushing the limits - eventually, he's gonna go too far!

[IM4Truth]

Are these new bracelets that they had made up and are now selling?

I think it was from the KFN days.

[8BellesFan]

hmmmm...maybe they'll save the blue dress for trial :)

If it were my child who killed my granchild, every bit of KC's clothing would be carted far away to goodwill. If she threw it in the bin, there's too much of a chance of it getting on e-bay.

Or, burn it piece by piece in the fireplace. That's the LEAST she deserves!

Let Jose be her personal shopper here on out.


there is an interesting albeit kinda gross item listed for casey on ebay. out of New Orleans.:w00t:

[Dells]

I just read an article from WFTV (posted about three hours ago) that said Baez is the one that wanted her to wear the bracelet (jury pool tainting). The suit jacket was furnished by Jose too - he dropped off the clothes earlier in the week. There was no mention of Cindy having a hand in either.

Thanks for that information. Interesting....:sneaky:

[Calla]

Oh they are full of baloney. Her hair is plenty long now. She could easily put her hair in a bun. They are waaayyyy over analyzing this!

Yes I agree
And going overboard is not going tohelp matters. I do not know a 22 year old who wears a BUN...hairpieces yes, but not a bun
Of course I hate buns cuz my mom made me wear one in first grade:sad:

[sailordog]

I thought she had on white socks and black shoes:confused:

Oh - maybe. I was watching Tru TV and they were describing what she was wearing entering the courtroom and they said the shoes were the dark colored slip on, jail issue ones. I could be wrong. I'm just going by what they said. They said everything from the waist down was jail issue.

[sunstar]

And to go as far as to do it and then to hear it reported that her hair isn't long enough for a bun so it was likely a hairpiece.LOL
Who cares...Lipstick on a pig is still a pig. (can i say that?)

I agree with your last observation! :) And I thought her hair looked much better today than the last jail appearance since she doesnt have any way of really styling it. I wish Nancy's show had spent more time on what actually happened in court today. MOO

[Calla]

I was wondering who fixed her hair like that. At first I thought maybe LKB helped in dressing her and fixing her hair until I saw LKB! Talk about lipstick on a ......., not going to say it.

LOL

Maybe Mrs Baker helped her...to make up fo rnot turning the volume down when she asked her to

[IM4Truth]

I guess because he is so high profile and so willing to make a stink that he's kind of bullying everyone by pushing the boundaries. Sort of saying, "I dare you do say something to me!" Then he can cry "They KEPT me from my client!" (He's such a whiner.) Let's hope he keeps pushing the limits - eventually, he's gonna go too far!

On one of the talk shows today Mike Brooks said about Jose Baez, "he never met a camera he didn't like". Thought about using it as my by-line. He also likes to say "if Casey's lips are moving, she is lying". I like Mike Brooks!!

[sailordog]

I think it was from the KFN days.

It was one of the silicone ones that read: "Forever in our hearts Caylee Marie Anthony." Nice touch, eh?

[sailordog]

On one of the talk shows today Mike Brooks said about Jose Baez, "he never met a camera he didn't like". Thought about using it as my by-line. He also likes to say "if Casey's lips are moving, she is lying". I like Mike Brooks!!

I like him too! I'd take him over Lenny the baloney man any day!

[shelbar53]

omg !! barf The visual I get of the nuptials!!!! barf

dont laugh celticDawn, your the bridesmaid

[IM4Truth]

Why would JB want the DNA results of Jesse's paternity anyway? Geez.

[MrsHudson]

I had to go take that once for work...


I still dont think a public memorial is necessary either....
I am a little too emotionally invested in this case....but I still know I am not a parent grandparent or any other close relative of hers....and I never even met her.

I also think lots of people are angry because they were called to some kind of action ....and then pretty much spat upon by the anthonys and feel an emotional investment for that reason..

Good points!

[IM4Truth]

Jane Valez-Mitchel said to day hosting NG's show that she thinks Baez might be on a fishing expedition to concoct a mystery daddy that they'll never find so they can pin the crime on him; hoping to put doubt in one juror's mind. I think that may be a tactic they might use too.

I think he'll throw anybody under the bus to place doubt because the defense team has nothing else to base their defense on but smoke and mirrors.

Huh? JVM hosting NG tonight? Did JVM appear at first and say it was a recording or what?

[Calla]

It was one of the silicone ones that read: "Forever in our hearts Caylee Marie Anthony." Nice touch, eh?

Maybe Cindy DID send that afterall. By now she should figure, if Casey was going to send them over the edge and drive them crazy, they would get much satisfaction from doing the same to her.
Desperate to get her to show some kind of feeling..other than being 'so frustrated right now ' that her 'throat hurts and can't swallow'

[need2no]

Thanks for the information! I agree with you, it should be the same for everybody but isn't the purpose of allowing a defendant to wear street clothes to trial to give the defendant the presumption of innocence before the jury? So, if these hearings are all televised, doesn't that affect the potential jury pool? :shrug: MOO


YW!

I don't disagree with where you are coming from on that, and I know it what the experts say, however in this case.... if potential jurors are watching casey at pre trial hearings on TV and/or online their interest in this case has already peaked so they have likely also seen her party pics, Target stolen check pics, etc. therefore I don't really think todays attire would impress them, anymore than a jail jumpsuit would influence them to think or assume she is guilty.

But then again...what do I know. :biggrin:

[Dells]

Interesting. He should be sanctioned in some way over this. From what I understand the judge didn't have to allow regular clothing for her unless it is a trial. I hope they make her come in her prison blues from here on until trial. It would serve JB right.

I hope he is sanctioned or reprimanded in some way too. Funny how Jose thought that Casey wearing the bracelet would help w/the potential jury pool. Would most people even be able to tell she was wearing the bracelet and why? If Jose wants the potential jury pool to see his client in a sympathetic light, then he should have spent more time counseling her on how to act like a grieving mother and daughter rather than trying to slip her a bracelet. Did he actually think that she would get to wear it? :shrug:

[sailordog]

Maybe Cindy DID send that afterall. By now she should figure, if Casey was going to send them over the edge and drive them crazy, they would get much satisfaction from doing the same to her.
Desperate to get her to show some kind of feeling..other than being 'so frustrated right now ' that her 'throat hurts and can't swallow'

No, it was Jose. He's already been "spoken to" about it.

[Calla]

YW!

I don't disagree with where you are coming from on that, and I know it what the experts say, however in this case.... if potential jurors are watching casey at pre trial hearings on TV and/or online their interest in this case has already peaked so they have likely also seen her party pics, Target stolen check pics, etc. therefore I don't really think todays attire would impress them, anymore than a jail jumpsuit would influence them to think or assume she is guilty.

But then again...what do I know. :biggrin:

I suppose..
but if potential jurors are wathcing her in pre trial hearings , then they are not really potential jurors are they? Because I think they wouldn't be chosen..jmo

[IM4Truth]

OMG I could not agree more, especially with item number 3!

I disagree, this wasn't a trial. If other inmates are not allowed to wear street clothing to hearings, Casey shouldn't be allowed either. No matter how high profile. They keep saying she is treated like everyone else. I'm beginning to wonder.

[MrsHudson]

Jane Valez-Mitchel said to day hosting NG's show that she thinks Baez might be on a fishing expedition to concoct a mystery daddy that they'll never find so they can pin the crime on him; hoping to put doubt in one juror's mind. I think that may be a tactic they might use too.

I think he'll throw anybody under the bus to place doubt because the defense team has nothing else to base their defense on but smoke and mirrors.

I don't think anything that Baez can do is going to work. He needs to start with:

"Okay she did it but ...................... (Insert excuse here.)"

But I am so relived that it looks like Casey is a goner. Moths back way before we knew so little about the evidence the thought that she could get away with it was just too much to contemplate.

[sunstar]

Why would JB want the DNA results of Jesse's paternity anyway? Geez.

Maybe to imply that Jesse had something to do with Caylee's death? :shrug: It seems obvious that it's going to be SODDI, whether the "nanny" or whoever. MOO

[IM4Truth]

I hope he is sanctioned or reprimanded in some way too. Funny how Jose thought that Casey wearing the bracelet would help w/the potential jury pool. Would most people even be able to tell she was wearing the bracelet and why? If Jose wants the potential jury pool to see his client in a sympathetic light, then he should have spent more time counseling her on how to act like a grieving mother and daughter rather than trying to slip her a bracelet. Did he actually think that she would get to wear it? :shrug:

Well, he was foolish enough to think OCC wouldn't confiscate it!

[Calla]

No, it was Jose. He's already been "spoken to" about it.

Good. Maybe she can stop ripping her family's lives apart.

I already feel for Jose though..in advance

[8BellesFan]

I imagine that the line for potential jurors in this case looks something like the line in the first Airplane movie...nuns with bats and chains. he should worry less about the bracelet and more about keeping his writing impliments to himself.

MOO and stuff like that

[sailordog]

What got my goat is Cindy "supposedly" released a guest list of who is NOT invited. Who does such a thing?

You can go, you can't go, maybe you can go if there's room.

I have never heard of such a thing. You don't send invitations to a memorial (if it's family or friends). It's word of mouth or a personal call, or a notice in the obituary.

Speaking of which - have the ants even put an obit in the newspaper? I know everyone under the sun knows about it, but it's on the first page of my mom's memorial book, and I'm sure family and friends would like that memory as well (as horrid as it is). She was a breathing, active, beautiful, precious girl who deserves that small honour.

Best,


I wonder if Uncle Rick will be allowed in since as it turns out, he was right about everything.

[sailordog]

Good. Maybe she can stop ripping her family's lives apart.

I already feel for Jose though..in advance

It's up to the family to bite the bullet, face facts and throw Casey under the bus. They need to FINALLY be advocates for Caylee and ONLY Caylee - that's the only way they can ever find any type of closure.

[CelticDawn]

dont laugh celticDawn, your the bridesmaid

Oh nuh-huh...!!! :chicken:

I think Il keep myself far far away from that circus.

ALL these people need a net throwed over them!!!

[aubrey04]

Casey's hair looks like she just slapped it together and stuck it in a bun to make it look tamed. Last time around - it looked stringy and greasy. I am not trying to be critical - just honest. They probably don't get to shower daily at the jail.

Anyone know about that? How often inmates in county jail get to shower?

[need2no]

I agree with your last observation! :) And I thought her hair looked much better today than the last jail appearance since she doesnt have any way of really styling it. I wish Nancy's show had spent more time on what actually happened in court today. MOO


HAIR CARE SERVICES:
Hair care services are available to all inmates. The hair care services will be
conducted in accordance with the schedule. You may receive your first haircut thirty (30) days after your initial incarceration and approximately every thirty (30) days thereafter. The thirty (30) day rule may be waived for medical reasons, hygiene reasons, or for inmates scheduled to appear in court. If needed, haircuts for inmates appearing at a trial will be given within three (3) days of their trial date. You are responsible for signing up for hair care services according to the schedule.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:G_77CkDYoFYJ:sheriff.org/about_bso/dodcc/info/Inmate_Handbook.pdf+can+inmates+choose+to+wear+str eet+clothes+to+court+hearings+in+FL&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

[dixie77]

I am asking this question again..........

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????.....

Did i hear this right? TIA

[sailordog]

Casey's hair looks like she just slapped it together and stuck it in a bun to make it look tamed. Last time around - it looked stringy and greasy. I am not trying to be critical - just honest. They probably don't get to shower daily at the jail.

Anyone know about that? How often inmates in county jail get to shower?

No, she doesn't get to shower every day.

[8BellesFan]

I am asking this question again..........

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????.....

Did i hear this right? TIA


I have not watched it yet and the transcript is not up yet. But I'll be looking for that.:smile:

[IM4Truth]

Does anyone want to talk about anything seriously? Several times over the last few months I've posted some legitimate questions or comments. Most of the time there is no response. So I read to see if it's been discussed, and then I see a bunch of nonsensical posts about coffee or chocolate or spewing something on the keyboard. So what I'm seeing is a lot of good conversation is being overlooked. I'm not blaming, I'm just observing and stating my opinion.

I would like to come to this message board and read and post and interact, but I see clique of people, and if you're not in that clique, oh well.

Peace everyone. (I wish there was a peace sign.)

From what I've seen there has been a lot of discussion about the hearing today, the bracelet that JB put in the pocket of Casey's suit, memorial or no memorial. I mentioned the bracelet long before anyone started talking about it so I think they just ignored my post. I just skip and scroll the chocolates and spewing and look for something concrete to talk about.

[Oregongal]

Evening all, I'm carrying this over from the thread I eventually found closed when I went to quote it....Duh!

From Riannon-
But with meds to calm him, get some rest, and even that short time of therapy he may have gotten a few more coping skills to deal with the mess, at least for a while. I hope Cindy checks herself in somewhere too ...... and Lee. They all need to know there are ways they can get through this no matter how hopeless it seems, and I certainly don't blame any of them for feeling that way.

I also hope George is being counseled and being taught some great coping skills and perhaps the docs have prescribed some great meds as well. The precribing of meds may be the reason he perhaps continue to be hospitalized. Those meds take about 2 weeks to really take affect and the docs may want to continue to monitor him as they do.
I also think Cindy and Lee should avail themselves to some professional help as well. Not only for themselves, but to glean some info and education on what George is going thru and what he may continue to go thru.
I am thinking that maybe he should not attend this planned public memorial. There will certainly be much media and many strangers, possibly some protesters as well. This is something he would do well to avoid. The private 'funeral', definantly he should attend. That hopefully will be a concrete step toward his healing. It is needed not only for him, but Cindy and Lee as well. I somehow doubt that Cindy will avail herself to any professional counseling. In counseling you must admit that you have no control and be stripped down to your vulnerabilities.
Somehow I don't think Cindy will be able to do that, maybe much, much later, but not now. I feel she is still in a place where she is continuing to hold on to any control she may have and not ready to let go.
Sad really.
I also wanted to say something about the duct tape, kind of o/t, but, my ex is retired military, we had and I still have tons of it around. It is army green. Too bad this isn't the case for the Ant's possible possesion on duct tape, that is very identifiable.
If it were my grandson's remains who had been found with our duct tape on him, I would immediatly know it came from my house.
I have just had this rolling around in my mind and had to throw it out.
I hope everyone is having a good evening. Now back to catching up...too bad we don't have a little running smilie. LOL
Are there any new links posted in the last 4 pages I've missed? TIA

[sunstar]

YW!

I don't disagree with where you are coming from on that, and I know it what the experts say, however in this case.... if potential jurors are watching casey at pre trial hearings on TV and/or online their interest in this case has already peaked so they have likely also seen her party pics, Target stolen check pics, etc. therefore I don't really think todays attire would impress them, anymore than a jail jumpsuit would influence them to think or assume she is guilty.

But then again...what do I know. :biggrin:

I agree ~ it should be the same rule for everybody. :) And potential jurors who are watching the pretrial hearings shouldn't be on the jury in the first place because anybody following the case that closely probably has already made up their mind ~ one way or the other. I was just trying to figure out why the clothes were allowed and think that was the reason. MOO

[sailordog]

Does anyone want to talk about anything seriously? Several times over the last few months I've posted some legitimate questions or comments. Most of the time there is no response. So I read to see if it's been discussed, and then I see a bunch of nonsensical posts about coffee or chocolate or spewing something on the keyboard. So what I'm seeing is a lot of good conversation is being overlooked. I'm not blaming, I'm just observing and stating my opinion.

I would like to come to this message board and read and post and interact, but I see clique of people, and if you're not in that clique, oh well.

Peace everyone. (I wish there was a peace sign.)

Huh? I'm being serious - and I'm not here enough to be in a clique.

[IM4Truth]

I am asking this question again..........

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????.....

Did i hear this right? TIA

Sorry, Dixie, I thought someone answered that. I'm not sure about linking it back to the house, JB is wanting Jesse's paternity tests.

[IM4Truth]

No, she doesn't get to shower every day.

IIRC they said the inmates get to shower 3 times a week?

[summer4meplz]

I am asking this question again..........

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????.....

Did i hear this right? TIA


I didn't hear that but I was also doing other things...I'll try to watch the repeat at 9....greta sure isn't very interested in this case

[sailordog]

Sorry, Dixie, I thought someone answered that. I'm not sure about linking it back to the house, JB is wanting Jesse's paternity tests.

Cripes, when the test was taken, wasn't a copy give to each party - Casey AND Jesse? Jose is just constantly asking for stuff he has no intention of getting or using. It's all about clogging up the pipes.

[playnice]

Sorry, Dixie, I thought someone answered that. I'm not sure about linking it back to the house, JB is wanting Jesse's paternity tests.

He knows Jessie isnt the father. How can he use this info to set jessie up?

[sunstar]

Casey's hair looks like she just slapped it together and stuck it in a bun to make it look tamed. Last time around - it looked stringy and greasy. I am not trying to be critical - just honest. They probably don't get to shower daily at the jail.

Anyone know about that? How often inmates in county jail get to shower?

I don't know if she'd be able to shower before the court hearing, but I don't think she's allowed anything but a jail issued comb and some tie backs from the commissary, such as no blow dryer or brushes to style it. :shrug: MOO

[dixie77]

Sorry, Dixie, I thought someone answered that. I'm not sure about linking it back to the house, JB is wanting Jesse's paternity tests.
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I may have been wrong in what i thought i heard. But i will sure be waiting for the transcript to come up. If this is indeed what i heard, then this will be huge IMO

[MrsHudson]

Does anyone want to talk about anything seriously? Several times over the last few months I've posted some legitimate questions or comments. Most of the time there is no response. So I read to see if it's been discussed, and then I see a bunch of nonsensical posts about coffee or chocolate or spewing something on the keyboard. So what I'm seeing is a lot of good conversation is being overlooked. I'm not blaming, I'm just observing and stating my opinion.

I would like to come to this message board and read and post and interact, but I see clique of people, and if you're not in that clique, oh well.

Peace everyone. (I wish there was a peace sign.)

Well there's just not a lot to talk about today. We are just filling in time. Wait till something happens with Lee. Then the board will be jumping.

[summer4meplz]

From what I've seen there has been a lot of discussion about the hearing today, the bracelet that JB put in the pocket of Casey's suit, memorial or no memorial. I mentioned the bracelet long before anyone started talking about it so I think they just ignored my post. I just skip and scroll the chocolates and spewing and look for something concrete to talk about.


Let's talk about Jessica..I hope I got the name right.....baez mentioned he gets all his discovery from her...is she a reporter? does she work for fox? is that an OK thing for her to do? I asked last thread and then it closed and I had to leave for a bit...so if someone answered thanks....but if someone has any ideas...I'd like to see them?

[IM4Truth]

He knows Jessie isnt the father. How can he use this info to set jessie up?

He is grasping for any straw he can grab. If he can get Jesse's DNA then he can TRY to link it to the crime in someway. Jesse and his father were on Dr. Phil today talking about how the family is running Jesse into the ground. The Anthonys need to make a big apology to him.

[cloe23]

Good. Maybe she can stop ripping her family's lives apart.

I already feel for Jose though..in advance

You feel for Jose? How so?

[sunstar]

They usually ask those types of questions screening potential jurors. I bet there's more people who haven't followed it than those who have. Most people I talk to have no interest in true crime.

I'd imagine most people who work during the day wouldn't have seen today's hearing unless they watch cable news, like Nancy's show, at night.

[Calla]

Does anyone want to talk about anything seriously? Several times over the last few months I've posted some legitimate questions or comments. Most of the time there is no response. So I read to see if it's been discussed, and then I see a bunch of nonsensical posts about coffee or chocolate or spewing something on the keyboard. So what I'm seeing is a lot of good conversation is being overlooked. I'm not blaming, I'm just observing and stating my opinion.

I would like to come to this message board and read and post and interact, but I see clique of people, and if you're not in that clique, oh well.

Peace everyone. (I wish there was a peace sign.)
I come in peace as well. I am not in a clique and if I know any sensible response or anything to add to your posts, I will happy to respond:smile: I just don't get to read everything and sometimes if I don't agree , I just don't post because I am too tired and old to argue to my satisfaction..lol

[playnice]

He is grasping for any straw he can grab. If he can get Jesse's DNA then he can TRY to link it to the crime in someway. Jesse and his father were on Dr. Phil today talking about how the family is running Jesse into the ground. The Anthonys need to make a big apology to him.

I can not picture the A's apologizing to anyone.

[joint-heir]

Does anyone want to talk about anything seriously? Several times over the last few months I've posted some legitimate questions or comments. Most of the time there is no response. So I read to see if it's been discussed, and then I see a bunch of nonsensical posts about coffee or chocolate or spewing something on the keyboard. So what I'm seeing is a lot of good conversation is being overlooked. I'm not blaming, I'm just observing and stating my opinion.

I would like to come to this message board and read and post and interact, but I see clique of people, and if you're not in that clique, oh well.

Peace everyone. (I wish there was a peace sign.)






I agree!!! Silly or troublemaker's posts get much more attention than a serious factual statement. Sorry just the way I see it....I send peace too....

[CelticDawn]

I am asking this question again..........

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????.....

Did i hear this right? TIA

Lotssa speculation I do believe.....These people want the Jesse Grund paternity report now though.....to try to blame him IMO...

[IM4Truth]

Let's talk about Jessica..I hope I got the name right.....baez mentioned he gets all his discovery from her...is she a reporter? does she work for fox? is that an OK thing for her to do? I asked last thread and then it closed and I had to leave for a bit...so if someone answered thanks....but if someone has any ideas...I'd like to see them?

Jessica D'Onofrio (sp) from channel 6. JB gripes about the media then says he gets his info from her. All he has to do is pick up the docs from the court house or pull up the dumps like we do.

[sunstar]

Cripes, when the test was taken, wasn't a copy give to each party - Casey AND Jesse? Jose is just constantly asking for stuff he has no intention of getting or using. It's all about clogging up the pipes.

Maybe I'm wrong, but can't the judge control what the defense does at trial, like if they're going to put the blame on somebody who there's absolutely no evidence to show that person is connected to the crime? I know the defense can infer somebody else did it, but to directly put the blame on somebody, can't that be stopped? MOO

[Dells]

On one of the talk shows today Mike Brooks said about Jose Baez, "he never met a camera he didn't like". Thought about using it as my by-line. He also likes to say "if Casey's lips are moving, she is lying". I like Mike Brooks!!

I like Mike Brooks too. His comments are always spot on!:thumbup:

[joint-heir]

I am asking this question again..........

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????.....

Did i hear this right? TIA




Dixie, I thought I heard something like that too, but don't know what they meant....

[Calla]

You feel for Jose? How so?

That was referring to her ripping her family's lives apart....considering it is continuously said that she destroys everyone she comes in contact with...so I figured I would go ahead and put my sympathy out there ahead of time:wink:

[Neffy]

At the very end like a minute left 47:17 mark, Conway finishes talking to the Judge and as he's leaving he says something to Baez and Baez says he'll ask her. Then he whispers something to Casey and she nods her head yes.

Looks like Baez, LKB are talking to the jail bailiffs/security making arrangments to meet up with Casey.

Wonder what that's about.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18603796/index.html

[CelticDawn]

Well there's just not a lot to talk about today. We are just filling in time. Wait till something happens with Lee. Then the board will be jumping.

Isn't he supposedly "arranging parking spacing' or something to that efect over in tampoa?

His mouthpiece hasn't been back on lately either as I recall....<which is a GOOD thing>

[IM4Truth]

Stormy, are you still there? Jump in here, what do you want to discuss, I won't be here for much longer. Looks like they are getting a little more serious now. Sometimes they add a bit of humor and just get carried away.

[apothecary]

Just think....If only the officer had taken a good look for Caylee when Kronk first called..all this would probably not be happening and Casey would have probably plea bargained.True life is sometimes stranger than fiction and boy this is one story one could not make up

[dixie77]

Lotssa speculation I do believe.....These people want the Jesse Grund paternity report now though.....to try to blame him IMO...

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Wait.............i think we r all in the right pews but the wrong Church. lol The thing i thought i heard was not about Jesse. I thought i heard her say that the DNA to who the father is was found in a link back to the A's house. Maybe i'm wrong. jmo

[marshmallow]

Let's talk about Jessica..I hope I got the name right.....baez mentioned he gets all his discovery from her...is she a reporter? does she work for fox? is that an OK thing for her to do? I asked last thread and then it closed and I had to leave for a bit...so if someone answered thanks....but if someone has any ideas...I'd like to see them?



that confused me too. he co9mplained about the media but gets his info from the media?

[IM4Truth]

I'm glad Strickland ruled Tim Miller doesn't have to turn over his search info, nor any of the searchers witnesses. I think that's great. Judge wrote a two page order saying the court doesn't have jurisdiction to order a subpoena anyway. He said the defense failed to show how the witnesses are important. Oh also the group was not used as an agent of the state. Horray. Score minus -1 for Baez' antics. paraphrase

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-hearing-013009,0,6545661.story

I'm glad they are leaving Tim out of it too. I think the judge knew right then he was going to deny it but didn't want to look too hard on JB so said he would hold it until later.

[happygert]

It's going to open a big can of worms if in the service the guests in any way feel they are being drawn in to supporting Casey. She is the mother, I don't have a clue how they will conduct a service without mentioning her. It's a recipe for disaster.

The whole thing is a bad idea. No one in the public NEEDS to mourn or remember Caylee in a special service. That's for the relatives and friends who actually knew her.

I am sure I will get a lecture that I need sensitivity training but I don't care.

MrsHudson.. Her own family can give 2 chits less how long that precious baby lays in a cardboard box in a cooler...Her so called family lets break it down..
Her so called mother KILLED her threw her away like yesterdays TRASH.
Her So called grandparents sat idly by and let the so called mother take her when they KNEW she was an unfit mother, with no job, no place to live, and no WAY to EVEN FEED CAYLEE.
Her so called MOM went parting shopping , watched movies,got tattooed and no doubt SC****D, All the while her BABY DAUGHTER was rotting in a trash bag and a laundry hamper.
Her so called grandparents IMMEDIATLEY started covering up for the so called mom their DAUGHTER that murdered CAYLEE. They LIED to LE,FBI, obstructed justice, DESTROYED EVIDENCE, HINDERED an ON GOING INVESTIGATION. and Tampered With evidence.. They refused to cooperate any further with LE...
They begged for donations to search for CAYLEE all the while they sat on their azzes and yelled at the public about them getting of their azzes and search for CAYLEE... When people were conducting searches CINDY threw a fit and caused scene after scene to get them to stop.. All the while she was selling pictures and videos of CAYLEE and selling interviews.. Raking in the money and she didnt even DONATE ONE BOTTLE OF water for the searchers.
IMO the PUBLIC HAS SHOWN MORE LOVE FOR CAYLEE THEN the whole dam family put together.
This loving family refused to take LDT they REFUSED to COOPERATE WITH LE AND FBI, THEY LIED and now they are screaming for IMMUNITY.. YES I can see just how MUCH THIS LOVING FAMILY LOVED CAYLEE.....JMHO......

[Calla]

Just think....If only the officer had taken a good look for Caylee when Kronk first called..all this would probably not be happening and Casey would have probably plea bargained.True life is sometimes stranger than fiction and boy this is one story one could not make up

You know ..you are right.
And now they are going to go with the 'innocent' thing all day long.

A waste I say..a waste

[sailordog]

Maybe I'm wrong, but can't the judge control what the defense does at trial, like if they're going to put the blame on somebody who there's absolutely no evidence to show that person is connected to the crime? I know the defense can infer somebody else did it, but to directly put the blame on somebody, can't that be stopped? MOO

Yup, they can flat out point the finger in another direction. For instance, are you familiar with the Piper Roundtree case? She pointed the finger at her own sister!

[dixie77]

Dixie, I thought I heard something like that too, but don't know what they meant....
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhh i'm so glad i'm not the only one. thanks

[Oregongal]

I am asking this question again..........

I watched NG tonight. When they were talking about who the father of Caylee was i thought i heard something that i dont understand now.
The reporter said something about DNA being linked back to the A's house on who the father was. Did i hear this correct? Anyone????.....

Did i hear this right? TIA

IIRC, it was the record of the DNA results from when Jesse had the paternity tests done. Most likely there was copy of that for both Jesse and Casey.
Of course, those results proved Jesse is not the father of Caylee.

[8BellesFan]

off to watch Nancy for Dixie...:smile:

[IM4Truth]

Dixie, I thought I heard something like that too, but don't know what they meant....

2nd run coming up! I was going to watch Greta but don't know if she is covering it tonight or not. She's kinda boring though. Think I'll watch NG again and pay more attention. I was too wrapped up in wondering why Natisha and Jean were in the daylight. I called my daughter in Orlando and said "is the sun shining there right now?" Later peeps.

[dixie77]

Yes, Yellow Envelope on Paternity removed with warrant from Anthony home. Is listed on the warrant list as "yellow envelope" regarding dna and paternity of Caylee

Kat
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Thanks, Kat. Is this the results of the paternity test showing that Jesse is not the father or is it something else?
I cant watch the re-run of NG......both tvs r already spoken for. grrrrrr

[MrsHudson]

I can not picture the A's apologizing to anyone.

Won't happen. They want it the other way around. Conway said today they have no idea why they are disliked.

[sunstar]

Yup, they can flat out point the finger in another direction. For instance, are you familiar with the Piper Roundtree case? She pointed the finger at her own sister!

No I didn't watch that trial, but it seems really sad that a defense can do that. It's one thing to imply somebody else (generically) did it, but name a specific person without any proof seems wrong. MOO

[dixie77]

off to watch Nancy for Dixie...:smile:
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Ohhhhhhhhh thanks so much, BellesFan. I cant watch.....both tvs r already spoken for.

[WillowInFlight]

Won't happen. They want it the other way around. Conway said today they have no idea why they are disliked.

I so find that hard to believe.

[sunstar]

2nd run coming up! I was going to watch Greta but don't know if she is covering it tonight or not. She's kinda boring though. Think I'll watch NG again and pay more attention. I was too wrapped up in wondering why Natisha and Jean were in the daylight. I called my daughter in Orlando and said "is the sun shining there right now?" Later peeps.

I'm not even going to bother with Greta tonight. I watched her the past two nights to see what she had and it was less than 5 min. worth way into the show. :sad:

[aubrey04]

Thanks need2no, sailordog, sunstar, IM4Truth and others who answered my question about how often Casey gets to shower. I try not to get bogged down with the superficial stuff in this case but we don't have new info lately yet the entire case has me intrigued and sucked in. Sorry if my post offended anyone..

I haven't been this sucked into a story for this long in a long, long time..

Maybe we will get a new doc dump next week.

[sailordog]

No I didn't watch that trial, but it seems really sad that a defense can do that. It's one thing to imply somebody else (generically) did it, but name a specific person without any proof seems wrong. MOO

It's all about reasonable doubt. They just have to make one juror think twice ... and they win.

[MrsHudson]

Yup, they can flat out point the finger in another direction. For instance, are you familiar with the Piper Roundtree case? She pointed the finger at her own sister!

That's evil. Plain dad gum evil and I don't know why anyone would want to help a defendant do that because COME ON don't tell me the attorney does not know what the defendant is trying to pull something. It makes me furious to think about it.

[WillowInFlight]

It's all about reasonable doubt. They just have to make one juror think twice ... and they win.

But do you really see them doing that?

[sailordog]

That's evil. Plain dad gum evil and I don't know why anyone would want to help a defendant do that because COME ON don't tell me the attorney does not know what the defendant is trying to pull something. It makes me furious to think about it.

As long as the client doesn't flat out say, "I did it" - they can pretend all they want right along with the client.

[aubrey04]

Does anyone want to talk about anything seriously? Several times over the last few months I've posted some legitimate questions or comments. Most of the time there is no response. So I read to see if it's been discussed, and then I see a bunch of nonsensical posts about coffee or chocolate or spewing something on the keyboard. So what I'm seeing is a lot of good conversation is being overlooked. I'm not blaming, I'm just observing and stating my opinion.

I would like to come to this message board and read and post and interact, but I see clique of people, and if you're not in that clique, oh well.

Peace everyone. (I wish there was a peace sign.)

If the conversation isn't to your liking - you can do what we all call "skipping and scrolling" - that way you don't waste your time on posts that you don't deem "legitimate".

All you do is scroll past the posts that don't interest you.

jmo

[Mamie]

I was watching one of the videos and Casey is sitting there laughing at something LKB said to her. She doesn't realize that LKB doesn't think she's innocent and probably thinks pretty much that she's the scum of the earth?

To the poster who thinks she's preggers, she didn't look it today coming into court.

JMO

[sailordog]

But do you really see them doing that?

I see them trying like hell!

[dixie77]

I'm not even going to bother with Greta tonight. I watched her the past two nights to see what she had and it was less than 5 min. worth way into the show. :sad:
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If there is anything going on with Palin, u can believe Greta wont be covering Caylee. Greta has changed big time. I remember the days of Laci and Scott Peterson, Elizabeth Smart. Michael Jackson etc when she woud devote her entire hour to these cases. She seems to think she will have better ratings following Palin or anything with politics. I read a while back that NG has her beat in the ratings and i'm not surprised. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I do believe that is what it is. Not 100% but 99.99% sure. It was removed from the Anthony home. God only knows what it really holds.

I am still looking for the line I had that said Lee A was tested for Paternity, which I thought I read in the last documents that were dumped on us. Then, when I read back I couldnt find it. I either read it wrong or it's in the summation by LE and the whole case. Its pages and pages long. YW, I am just now catching the beg. of NG.

Also I posted a link on the links page about Lee A being requestioned by LE this week. Interesting isn't it?

Kat
I read something to the effect of checking Lee's DNA as well, it was like an added note at the bottom of one of the docs.

[MrsHudson]

It's all about reasonable doubt. They just have to make one juror think twice ... and they win.

But if the person who they accused could have done it but didn't and because of it the actual perp goes free, then it's just wrong and I will never be convinced otherwise.

[Oregongal]

Hi OG am feeling terribly ill tonight just popped in to see ho weveryone was. I woke up early saw the courtroom hearing a fiasco, I thought.

I guess I am really concerned that as far as we know Casey told Jesse he was not the father, I hope to hell that the Grunds actually had the lab info sent directly to them, and not via the Anthony's, could you imagine if he really had been Caylee's father? I know I brought it up last night, I just have the strangest feeling. They lied, about who her father really was. I think they know exactly who the father was.

Kat

So sorry you are feeling bad, take care and get better soon Kat.
I seem to recall from long back that Jesse got the info before Casey since he was the one who initiated and paid for it. The copy Casey may have gotten was most likely at Cindy's demand. She wouldn't have taken Jesse's word on it and he gave Casey a copy to prove he wasn't lying. I also am on the fence about them knowing who the father is....either they know, for reasons that are not to be discussed here or Casey really doesn't know which one of the ones she, eh hmmm, slept with could be the father. The father listed as unknown on Caylee's bc, could be the truth.
JMO of course.

[CelticDawn]

That's evil. Plain dad gum evil and I don't know why anyone would want to help a defendant do that because COME ON don't tell me the attorney does not know what the defendant is trying to pull something. It makes me furious to think about it.

Whatever happened to officers of the court being morally obligated to portray truth...not just in fact....but in spirit of the law too...???

[sunstar]

It's all about reasonable doubt. They just have to make one juror think twice ... and they win.

That is so true, even if the "win" is a hung jury where they get a 2nd chance (like with Spector). MOO

[aubrey04]

It's all about reasonable doubt. They just have to make one juror think twice ... and they win.

One juror finding reasonable doubt will not get Casey out of jail. If a mistrial happened, she would be retried and held without bond until that retrial. imo.. She would NOT be off the hook. The only way that they will "win" is if they find TWELVE people that have reasonable doubt, not just one.. 12.... which is highly unlikely, imo.

[WillowInFlight]

That is so true, even if the "win" is a hung jury where they get a 2nd chance (like with Spector). MOO

Lets pray it doesn't go that way.

[sailordog]

But if the person who they accused could have done it but didn't and because of it the actual perp goes free, then it's just wrong and I will never be convinced otherwise.

I never said it was right, I just said that's how the game is played.

[Pruddennce]

I agreed in the beginning that there should be a public memorial but most of the people who helped in the search aren't even from Orlando. And now as much time that has passed, I believe it should be private with family & close friends.

I agree with you. there is no reason IMO to make a public spectacle of her final arrangements. its interesting that not one other family or friend has shown their face, side by side with the Anthonys throughout this entire tragedy. perhaps that would be a time for them to reconnect with those people who loved Caylee and perhaps do care about them but have been rebuffed.

now is the time for receiving comfort, silence and mourning from the people who knew Caylee.

perhaps they need a crowd because the circle is very small. if thats the case, they are more interested in what the public thinks 'about their grief', than who lays dead before them who they SHOULD be grieving for without intrusion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[MrsHudson]

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If there is anything going on with Palin, u can believe Greta wont be covering Caylee. Greta has changed big time. I remember the days of Laci and Scott Peterson, Elizabeth Smart. Michael Jackson etc when she woud devote her entire hour to these cases. She seems to think she will have better ratings following Palin or anything with politics. I read a while back that NG has her beat in the ratings and i'm not surprised. jmo

No the ratings were on the Drudge Report yesterday and FOX took the first five or six slots with Greta about five and Nancy about nine or ten.

[dixie77]

I do believe that is what it is. Not 100% but 99.99% sure. It was removed from the Anthony home. God only knows what it really holds.

I am still looking for the line I had that said Lee A was tested for Paternity, which I thought I read in the last documents that were dumped on us. Then, when I read back I couldnt find it. I either read it wrong or it's in the summation by LE and the whole case. Its pages and pages long. YW, I am just now catching the beg. of NG.

Also I posted a link on the links page about Lee A being requestioned by LE this week. Interesting isn't it?

Kat
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Thanks so much, Kat. Yes.........very interesting about Lee being requestioned this week.
If u get to watch the entire re-runn of NG, the part i'm talking about is in the 2nd half hour.

[kitty1182]

I read something to the effect of checking Lee's DNA as well, it was like an added note at the bottom of one of the docs.

I recall seeing that too..

[sailordog]

One juror finding reasonable doubt will not get Casey out of jail. If a mistrial happened, she would be retried and held without bond until that retrial. imo.. She would NOT be off the hook. The only way that they will "win" is if they find TWELVE people that have reasonable doubt, not just one.. 12.... which is highly unlikely, imo.

No, but a mistrial is NOT a conviction and is considered a win for the defense. Of course re-trial almost go 100% to the prosecution ...

[steffaroob4]

Anything on Greta?

[WillowInFlight]

I agree with you. there is no reason IMO to make a public spectacle of her final arrangements. its interesting that not one other family or friend has shown their face, side by side with the Anthonys throughout this entire tragedy. perhaps that would be a time for them to reconnect with those people who loved Caylee and perhaps do care about them but have been rebuffed.

now is the time for receiving comfort, silence and mourning from the people who knew Caylee.

perhaps they need a crowd because the circle is very small. if thats the case, they are more interested in what the public thinks 'about their grief', than who lays dead before them who they SHOULD be grieving for without intrusion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru
ITA Pru. I don't understand why this family craves the attention so much.

[MrsHudson]

I never said it was right, I just said that's how the game is played.

Oh I know. I just get worked up about that issue!

[dixie77]

No the ratings were on the Drudge Report yesterday and FOX took the first five or six slots with Greta about five and Nancy about nine or ten.
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Thanks, Mrs. Hudson.............i had read about NG beating Greta a few months ago.

[sailordog]

That is so true, even if the "win" is a hung jury where they get a 2nd chance (like with Spector). MOO

Exactly. Bingo!!

[sunstar]

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If there is anything going on with Palin, u can believe Greta wont be covering Caylee. Greta has changed big time. I remember the days of Laci and Scott Peterson, Elizabeth Smart. Michael Jackson etc when she woud devote her entire hour to these cases. She seems to think she will have better ratings following Palin or anything with politics. I read a while back that NG has her beat in the ratings and i'm not surprised. jmo

Just last year (before SP), Greta was covering missing persons cases and homicides that we were following, then politics took over. What she had on about Caylee's murder this week wasn't even "current", such as Mark Fuhrman discussing ham & cheese found in the car trunk (I think that's what he meant!) to the cameras at Amscot not capturing Casey. MOO

[WillowInFlight]

It seems to me her shows are based on what is of interest to herself. Was one case she covered just about every nite for a year. Couldn't believe it. Maybe she's still campaigning. Makes one wonder.

Yep, she went on and on with the Natalee Holloway story.

[sailordog]

Oh I know. I just get worked up about that issue!

Yeah, I don't blame you - it's all so sleazy.

[joint-heir]

I do believe that is what it is. Not 100% but 99.99% sure. It was removed from the Anthony home. God only knows what it really holds.

I am still looking for the line I had that said Lee A was tested for Paternity, which I thought I read in the last documents that were dumped on us. Then, when I read back I couldnt find it. I either read it wrong or it's in the summation by LE and the whole case. Its pages and pages long. YW, I am just now catching the beg. of NG.

Also I posted a link on the links page about Lee A being requestioned by LE this week. Interesting isn't it?

Kat


Is pg 3318, bottom of page what you were thinking of?

[trich]

IIRC, it was the record of the DNA results from when Jesse had the paternity tests done. Most likely there was copy of that for both Jesse and Casey.
Of course, those results proved Jesse is not the father of Caylee.

The defense is hoping they can find Jessie's dna somewhere in the trunk of the car or inside the bag where the remains were found.
Baez is really reaching ....of course Casey may have fed him a bunch of lies and suggested that Jessie did it.
I wonder how many he is going to try to blame ....maybe he will do a good job of exhonarating everyone in the process....:shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

The defense is hoping they can find Jessie's dna somewhere in the trunk of the car or inside the bag where the remains were found.
Baez is really reaching ....of course Casey may have fed him a bunch of lies and suggested that Jessie did it.
I wonder how many he is going to try to blame ....maybe he will do a good job of exhonarating everyone in the process....:shrug:

Which makes me wonder why Casey told Cindy and George to stay away from Jesse, that she didn't trust him. I always thought she told Jesse something about Cindy and George and she didn't want them finding out.

[sailordog]

Which makes me wonder why Casey told Cindy and George to stay away from Jesse, that she didn't trust him. I always thought she told Jesse something about Cindy and George and she didn't want them finding out.

Jesse's father said she used to vent to them about her parents all the tiime. He said she said horrible things about them and they felt sorry for her.

[dixie77]

Yep, she went on and on with the Natalee Holloway story.

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Oh yeah.....i forgot to add Natalee Holloway.

[happygert]

I agree with you. there is no reason IMO to make a public spectacle of her final arrangements. its interesting that not one other family or friend has shown their face, side by side with the Anthonys throughout this entire tragedy. perhaps that would be a time for them to reconnect with those people who loved Caylee and perhaps do care about them but have been rebuffed.

now is the time for receiving comfort, silence and mourning from the people who knew Caylee.

perhaps they need a crowd because the circle is very small. if thats the case, they are more interested in what the public thinks 'about their grief', than who lays dead before them who they SHOULD be grieving for without intrusion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


Pru, It makes no difference to me one way or the other if they have a private service or a public one...It's time to get Caylee out of the cardboard box in the cooler and lay her to rest..I really dont think it matters to most of the public just as long as they give her the respect and dignity that she DESERVES..IT'S time Its been 40 days since her remains have been released .JMHO...

[CelticDawn]

Yeah, I don't blame you - it's all so sleazy.

I wouldnt want to stand next to ANY of those people in a thunderstorm for sure...not even in a farraday cage!!!! :chicken:

[aubrey04]

No, but a mistrial is NOT a conviction and is considered a win for the defense. Of course re-trial almost go 100% to the prosecution ...

Her hiney will still be in a jail cell unless she can get 12 people to believe in some alternate Zanny the nanny theory and find reasonable doubt.

Phil Spector is out on bail. Casey is accused of capital murder - 1st degree murder in Florida and held without bail, so the circumstances between the two cases is very different. She won't leave that cell unless A) They find 12(not 1 or 2) people who find reasonable doubt B) she gets paroled or C) she dies..

I am going to go with C.

:)

[need2no]

Thanks need2no, sailordog, sunstar, IM4Truth and others who answered my question about how often Casey gets to shower. I try not to get bogged down with the superficial stuff in this case but we don't have new info lately yet the entire case has me intrigued and sucked in. Sorry if my post offended anyone..

I haven't been this sucked into a story for this long in a long, long time..

Maybe we will get a new doc dump next week.

Didn't offend me in the least.....

You want to talk about superficial stuff...I keep wondering how she does her eyebrows in jail. :smile: I wouldn't imagine they would allow tweezers.
I'm always curious about stuff like this cause I need2know this superficial stuff as well as the actual evidence and facts in the cases I follow.

[sailordog]

I wouldnt want to stand next to ANY of those people in a thunderstorm for sure...not even in a farraday cage!!!! :chicken:

Yeah, imagine being on a plane and wating Jose walk by on his way to the can? I would say a little prayer!

[sailordog]

Her hiney will still be in a jail cell unless she can get 12 people to believe in some alternate Zanny the nanny theory and find reasonable doubt.

Phil Spector is out on bail. Casey is accused of capital murder - 1st degree murder in Florida and held without bail, so the circumstances between the two cases is very different. She won't leave that cell unless A) They find 12(not 1 or 2) people who find reasonable doubt B) she gets paroled or C) she dies..

I am going to go with C.

:)


I know we are all thinking "there is NO way she can get away with this!" But I have one word for you ... OJ.

[floridamom]

greta talking about casey

[CelticDawn]

Which makes me wonder why Casey told Cindy and George to stay away from Jesse, that she didn't trust him. I always thought she told Jesse something about Cindy and George and she didn't want them finding out.

I just had a sinking thought>>>WHERE did the bag that the remains were in come from??....could she have borrowed from the grund house and maybe Jesse handled the bag???....NO WAY that boy had anything to do with any of that.

[WillowInFlight]

i know we are all thinking "there is no way she can get away with this!" but i have one word for you ... Oj.

yep................

[sailordog]

Oh no. I am really sick to see that cnn is still playing that video of caylee where she squeals and is so full of life. I really wish that they would not play the video of her. They are the same clips over and over and she is dead. I think it's a little Macbre and if it were my relative, I'd have them over a barrel about it actually.

could you imagine, turning on the TV and hearing her little voice? Casey isnt going to hear or see NG she does not have a tv in her room. She only has the radio. She doesnt have access. What can be gained by them repeatedly showing a "live" video of Caylee?

I hope they will think about it. NG producer, please think about this!
TY
Kat

Yeah or NG with the "You are my sunshine" clip - enough. It's bizarre to keep playing that knowing that is probably the last time she ever sang.

[Jessspb]

Why didn't Jane Velez Mitchell or Nancy Grace comment on the flirty playful pen incident in court today with Casey? To me all the smiling, laughing, and flirting she does after the world now knows her daughter is dead, speaks volumes. The flirting and smiling at Jose Baez is not in character with a mother grieving her daughter's death, not to mention being on trial for her daughter's death. I am just wondering why the talk shows didn't even mention the pen thing even once. I was expecting Nancy to be screaming it on her show.

[WillowInFlight]

I just had a sinking thought>>>WHERE did the bag that the remains were in come from??....could she have borrowed from the grund house and maybe Jesse handled the bag???....NO WAY that boy had anything to do with any of that.

Nope, I don't think so either, In fact I don't think anyone in her circle of friends had anything to do with it.

[CelticDawn]

Oh no. I am really sick to see that cnn is still playing that video of caylee where she squeals and is so full of life. I really wish that they would not play the video of her. They are the same clips over and over and she is dead. I think it's a little Macbre and if it were my relative, I'd have them over a barrel about it actually.

could you imagine, turning on the TV and hearing her little voice? Casey isnt going to hear or see NG she does not have a tv in her room. She only has the radio. She doesnt have access. What can be gained by them repeatedly showing a "live" video of Caylee?

I hope they will think about it. NG producer, please think about this!
TY
Kat
I am no relation to Caylee....and those videos haunt me

[sunstar]

Didn't offend me in the least.....

You want to talk about superficial stuff...I keep wondering how she does her eyebrows in jail. :smile: I wouldn't imagine they would allow tweezers.
I'm always curious about stuff like this cause I need2know this superficial stuff as well as the actual evidence and facts in the cases I follow.

I actually think some of the "superficial stuff" is interesting too maybe because I just can't imagine being in a jail and doing without so many of the necessary things, like nail files, a blow dryer and whatnot! :) Don't get me wrong though, I don't feel one bit sorry for Casey. MOO

[CelticDawn]

Nope, I don't think so either, In fact I don't think anyone in her circle of friends had anything to do with it.

could that bag have come from the grund home though? when was the last time casey was there

[WillowInFlight]

Why didn't Jane Velez Mitchell or Nancy Grace comment on the flirty playful pen incident in court today with Casey? To me all the smiling, laughing, and flirting she does after the world now knows her daughter is dead, speaks volumes. The flirting and smiling at Jose Baez is not in character with a mother grieving her daughter's death, not to mention being on trial for her daughter's death. I am just wondering why the talk shows didn't even mention the pen thing even once. I was expecting Nancy to be screaming it on her show.

I'm sure Baez will be reviewing the tapes and put it end to that before this goes to trial. That jury is going to watch Casey's every move.

[sailordog]

Jean or Kathy said she was shackled and could not even cross her legs today. She could cross her feet at her ankles only. I'm glad she was Shackled.

She is dangerous and deserves to be in chains. I hope they are really heavy.

Kat

Not that Casey ever bothered to cross her legs in the past ...:w00t:

[steffaroob4]

greta talking about casey

Anything new? TIA

[sailordog]

I actually think some of the "superficial stuff" is interesting too maybe because I just can't imagine being in a jail and doing without so many of the necessary things, like nail files, a blow dryer and whatnot! :) Don't get me wrong though, I don't feel one bit sorry for Casey. MOO

She bought emery boards at the canteen! :wink:

[WillowInFlight]

could that bag have come from the grund home though? when was the last time casey was there

I didn't think she had too much to do with them for awhile. I think Mr Grund said that one of the last times he saw Casey was at a graduation.

[floridamom]

Anything new? TIA

gneral stuff so far...not as biased as NG...mostly straight info about the motions and such

[sunstar]

I just had a sinking thought>>>WHERE did the bag that the remains were in come from??....could she have borrowed from the grund house and maybe Jesse handled the bag???....NO WAY that boy had anything to do with any of that.

I don't think she took the bag from his house since it seems her dad had bags that were similar to it, but I do wonder what was up with her dropping by his house that day for a shower? I can't remember the exact date but it seemed weird since she was seeing TL at the time. MOO

[playnice]

could that bag have come from the grund home though? when was the last time casey was there

She was there when TonE was out of town to take a shower.:sad:

[Oregongal]

I agree with you. there is no reason IMO to make a public spectacle of her final arrangements. its interesting that not one other family or friend has shown their face, side by side with the Anthonys throughout this entire tragedy. perhaps that would be a time for them to reconnect with those people who loved Caylee and perhaps do care about them but have been rebuffed.

now is the time for receiving comfort, silence and mourning from the people who knew Caylee.

perhaps they need a crowd because the circle is very small. if thats the case, they are more interested in what the public thinks 'about their grief', than who lays dead before them who they SHOULD be grieving for without intrusion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

It could also be that this public memorial is a way to yet again get the public on their side and somehow try and regain what they lost so very long ago. Sorry, I keep saying they, when I feel I should say Cindy. I don't think George is in shape to be part of this right now at all.
In this quiet time that she (and George) have been out of the spotlight, it could be BC has convinced her and shown her the error of her ways with all the outbursts in public. The attacking of the public, the calling of names, the vehement insistance that Caylee was alive out there somewhere, as well as the constant attack on the media as well as LE.
This in her mind may not be for the public to pay their respects, but for her rehabilitation in the public eye. Which will lead to a more favorable position in the public eye as she counts down to trial time. Apparently there is going to mucho time before the trial finally comes. This could be the first step in a plan that will be ongoing until that trial comes that will hopefully paint her (and George) and in extension Casey in a better light that so many right now see her in now.
As Lenny said tonight on NG said, Cindy sees she has lost control of the media and this memorial may very well be a way for her to try and regain some sort of control.
I have no doubt that BC has a plan for them, as well as the pros has their plan as well as Baez is floundering around for a plan....sorry, I see him as inexperienced and bumbling, but is trying to form some sort of plan. Plans that will culminate at the time of trial.
Bottom line, I don't feel this public memorial has been set up just for the memory and respect of Caylee. I feel there are ulterior motives behind it.

[bluwaters]

could that bag have come from the grund home though? when was the last time casey was there
Casey showed up unexpectedly at Jesse's appt in mid June one morning and asked to shower there. He did not know why. I hope she didn't take a bag from his kitchen! :scared:

[panokatana]

Didn't offend me in the least.....

You want to talk about superficial stuff...I keep wondering how she does her eyebrows in jail. :smile: I wouldn't imagine they would allow tweezers.
I'm always curious about stuff like this cause I need2know this superficial stuff as well as the actual evidence and facts in the cases I follow.

For what it's worth...I was thinking the exact same thing! Interesting how we can be intrigued by the oddest things sometimes...but that arch really got my attention, too.

Did you listen to the body language expert's opinion of Casey? I was almost the exact opposite in agreement. I didn't see her scared and nervous at all, but rather bored and detached...and a little frisky with Baez. What did you think?

JMO

[floridamom]

I don't think she took the bag from his house since it seems her dad had bags that were similar to it, but I do wonder what was up with her dropping by his house that day for a shower? I can't remember the exact date but it seemed weird since she was seeing TL at the time. MOO

The Grunds and Nejame are the most upstanding of all the players. Casey could have had a good life with Jesse. He seems like a well brought up , hard working young man. God was looking out for him though....thankfully Casey called off the engagement. I bet he thanks his lucky stars everynight.

[Calla]

Jesse's father said she used to vent to them about her parents all the tiime. He said she said horrible things about them and they felt sorry for her.

Well that is part of her game imo
I think Jesse is probably a fine compassionate young man...but Casey is still a liar.
I don't care what she said..I will wait for the book lol

[CelticDawn]

Now thats another thing thats going to keep me awake....She WAS there when TonEE was out of town....


<to take a SHOWER??? ...Why THERE?....and why not whereever she was staying at the time....and why there specifically..<especially if they had been broken up??>

[WillowInFlight]

For what it's worth...I was thinking the exact same thing! Interesting how we can be intrigued by the oddest things sometimes...but that arch really got my attention, too.

Did you listen to the body language expert's opinion of Casey? I was almost the exact opposite in agreement. I didn't see her scared and nervous at all, but rather bored and detached...and a little frisky with Baez. What did you think?

JMO

ITA, I have yet to see Casey look scared.

[Danette44]

The defense is hoping they can find Jessie's dna somewhere in the trunk of the car or inside the bag where the remains were found.
Baez is really reaching ....of course Casey may have fed him a bunch of lies and suggested that Jessie did it.
I wonder how many he is going to try to blame ....maybe he will do a good job of exhonarating everyone in the process....:shrug:

Boy, JB doesn't realize who he is messing with when it comes to Jesse, Richard Grund would have no problem letting Jose be Geraldo's twin by giving him a (broken his nose). Richard has stood up for his son since day one - this will be interesting. moo

[playnice]

Boy, JB doesn't realize who he is messing with when it comes to Jesse, Richard Grund would have no problem letting Jose be Geraldo's twin by giving him a (broken his nose). Richard has stood up for his son since day one - this will be interesting. moo

:laugh::laugh:

[Calla]

Now thats another thing thats going to keep me awake....She WAS there when TonEE was out of town....


<to take a SHOWER??? ...Why THERE?....and why not whereever she was staying at the time....and why there specifically..<especially if they had been broken up??>

Setting him up...? Afterall they broke up according to him because she thought he loved Caylee more than her...so was she going to say he proved otherwise??

She is a nut case

[Oregongal]

The defense is hoping they can find Jessie's dna somewhere in the trunk of the car or inside the bag where the remains were found.
Baez is really reaching ....of course Casey may have fed him a bunch of lies and suggested that Jessie did it.
I wonder how many he is going to try to blame ....maybe he will do a good job of exhonarating everyone in the process....:shrug:

Oh trich, I had to :lol: at your last sentence. Wouldn't this just be irony at it's best if he was to exhonerate everyone but his client.
Good one :thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

Ever so respectfully inquiring if you guys have seen this pic of Zanaida? http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/01/30/zenaidas-attorney-submits-questions-for-casey-anthony/ :ohmy:

[forensicfan]

Casey showed up unexpectedly at Jesse's appt in mid June one morning and asked to shower there. He did not know why. I hope she didn't take a bag from his kitchen! :scared:

Someone said (on NG) last night that the garbage bags matched the ones from the Anthony home. I don't know about the laundry bag. They did not say how they determined that the bags matched though.

[CelticDawn]

Boy, JB doesn't realize who he is messing with when it comes to Jesse, Richard Grund would have no problem letting Jose be Geraldo's twin by giving him a (broken his nose). Richard has stood up for his son since day one - this will be interesting. moo

The Grunds are much too classy to accept money....but they would deserve some for that....They could sell TICKETS ....If the way folks around here feel reflects the way the nation feels....then they would outsell the superbowl...!!!

[sailordog]

Ever so respectfully inquiring if you guys have seen this pic of Zanaida? http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/01/30/zenaidas-attorney-submits-questions-for-casey-anthony/ :ohmy:

Yeah, she ain't exactly the freshest pastry on the rack ...

[Pruddennce]

Nope, I don't think so either, In fact I don't think anyone in her circle of friends had anything to do with it.


not a chance. I agree. in fact, she avoided Amy from the day she left the home until the 30th when she showed up at her door for a gas can. she stayed in contact with her during that period, but didnt get together with her personally.

and by then she had a reason to be with Amy, she had no place to stay once Tony left town.

and all the baloney she shoved at Amy about living together in her parents' home and the ultimate: stealing from her.

its obvious how she used each person....showing up at Jesse's on July 1st for a shower....then stayed with Amy while Tony was away, then back with Tony when he came back.....

then texts Jesse on July 3rd not to talk to her mother...then in her jailhouse visit tells her mother not to talk to Jesse....

she uses people....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[sunstar]

Casey showed up unexpectedly at Jesse's appt in mid June one morning and asked to shower there. He did not know why. I hope she didn't take a bag from his kitchen! :scared:

I thought it was mid-month ~ thanks for refreshing my memory! It is scary now to think she might have taken something from his apartment to set him up. I wouldn't think it'd be trash bags though since Baez seems so interested in DNA, and it would seem there'd only be fingerprints on the bags, if those would even survive being under water. MOO