THURSDAY January 29 Part II

[MrsHudson]

He's not a bully, he's faling apart, the center is Casey.

No he has been a bully in the past. And then he falls apart. So he goes from one extreme to the other and that's not good. One minute he is yelling and fighting with Casey the next he's calling her pet names and kow -towing to her. There has to be a stable center. And of course the worse the environemental stress (Casey) the more extreme the problem of not having a center. A strong inner core.

Hopefully therapy will help him. That's all I am saying.

[Calla]

I agree with most of what you say except that Cindy had Caylee on Father's Day but not very much prior to that when Casey was running all over staying with friends and lying to Cindy about where they were. As for age, working, and watching after young children, I'm 59 going on 60 in a couple of months. I sometimes work 9 -10 hour days with no lunch and I could still come home and play with a granddaughter for awhile, give her a bath, and put her to bed. I'm not saying that Cindy should have had to do that on a regular basis. But she shouldn't have complained because she did it all by choice. She chose to believe Casey was working.

I don't know about having her much prior to that. I never heard that she lied about where she was prior to June 15th ..only after that.

And good for you that at your age you can do all of that, (I have done it too with 5 grandkids)...but I will bet you didn't have a lying child taking from you and a husband sitting watching cooking shows..:wink:

[gaelicpeas]

here I go, suspicious me, we do not know George's diagnosis, he is either in psych ward, or medical unit. I was thinking maybe it is neither, possibly detoxing from alcohol. Do you think maybe George is an recovering alcoholic and fell off the wagon. I do not think he is in psych ward, just a feeling. what say you Mrs. Hudson. gogo I can't see it taking him a week to detox from 8 beers. JMO

[Janz]

Lol, thanks
She just doesn't seem to care about covering crime any more, it is such a shame.

I was hoping she would do more, since Mark F was in town.

I`ve given up on Greta, maybe it`s because FOX is trying to go all political, and she is under contract to FOX. I just think it is a shame for Greta. She is a pretty good detective herself. I remember she found evidence in the case of Maria Lauterbach.

[gaelicpeas]

Happened in my family.
The same relative was blamed for 10 years and everyone hid their valuables.....only to learn downt he road that we had been taken in by a sociopath and we had suspected the wrong person.
Divide and Conquer...Drive that Wedge.
It workedInteresting.. I have believed that was the case with the Anthony's from early on...

[Calla]

No he has been a bully in the past. And then he falls apart. So he goes from one extreme to the other and that's not good. One minute he is yelling and fighting with Casey the next he's calling her pet names and kow -towing to her. There has to be a stable center. And of course the worse the environemental stress (Casey) the more extreme the problem of not having a center. A strong inner core.

Hopefully therapy will help him. That's all I am saying.


You stated that so eloquently.....and we wonder why Cindy isn't acting like we think she should. Umm maybe we should cut her a break after what she has lived with:wink:

[Janz]

I agree. As many have said on here before, it was the family's behavior that got them involved in this case early on. I was certainly one of those people.

I know gaelic, and so your theory of sham for money.... they didn`t appeal to any kidnapper for little Caylee, so to me they looked like a bunch of grifters, so that is why I understood your reasoning for a fake kidnapping...

[panokatana]

Yes he sure did...I'll try to find it for you...
Wow! I would say that just about beats all...but in "two seconds" something else would trump that. "I'm sorry, your honor, Casey won't be in court today. Prison garb makes her butt look big. I have no further questions." For that to even make a dent in the importance of things..or to even cross his mind..." I hope he isn't going to rehash the Twinkie Defense (Harvey Milk).

[gaelicpeas]

I don't think I want to see MF after last night. He seemed out of it. JMOI so agree, no answer. I have never seen Furhman act like that before. It was really, really weird. That is all I can say about it...

[happygert]

It almost sounds as if..she's not afraid of going to court...but rather she is "frushtrated" that the public thinks she's gained weight. I haven't seen the motion, but Baez made reference to her weight gain? That's probably gotten more of a rise out of Casey than anything relating to Caylee's demise. :thumbdown:


Heres the link think its then read attached exhibit.. where they are talking about what she was wearing...Shoot that the wrong one not the one talking about her weight.. shoot got to find it but that one does talk about the media...

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Notice%20of%20Objection.pdf

[Oregongal]

ITA- I think after Caylee was found I was not so surprised. but when we still had no idea where she was and they stopped the meetings it bothered me alot. She was the only one who knew and even if it was pointless and nothing came out of it, i just wanted them to keep her talking because as hard as she tried not to say anything she was bound to mess up.

Tomorrow will be intersting to say the least. IMOO

I think they stopped the meetings because they were just wrung out by the last one. She made it very plain that she didn't KNOW (yeh, right) anything. She was done with giving anything to them. She threw her little temper tantram and brought the convo back to her and only her.
Could it be they are just damn tired of dealing with that from her and just couldn't do it anymore? Maybe they went home feeling some relief that if they didn't go to see her they wouldn't have to deal with her tantrums, her demands for attention and manipulations anymore as long as she was in jail. She was then released and they had to go thru it yet again. When she was then re arrested with no bond, they felt they had finally gotten away from her and the relief of that overweighed their possible desire to see her.
The fact that they didn't even try (as far as we know) to see her at Thanksgiving and Christmas says alot to me.
They didn't want to see her.
I could be wrong, maybe they did want to see her and she refused, but it also could be they are just too exhausted emotionally with everything else they were going thru, they just couldn't put themselves in that place again.
After Caylee was found it was the topping on the cake.
How would that jail visit gone if they had tried to see her?
They sit there so devastated and grief stricken while she sits there and possibly berates them for thinking more of what they are feeling than what SHE is going thru?
Altho, we are just hearing that they are saying they 'don't know' anymore if she's innocent, I think as soon as Caylee was found they knew in their hearts that what they thought on the 15th of July when they got that car with the death smell was really true. And even tho publicly they continued to deny, we don't know what was going on within their hearts and behind their closed doors. Their public denial, their public claiming that Casey was innocent was most likely blown completely away and they couldn't stand the thought of sitting down with her again.
Just my thoughts tho.

[Calla]

Interesting.. I have believed that was the case with the Anthony's from early on...

I know ..me too.

And to be honest, I know what it feels like for Dad to cover for the kid and mom to have to be the b**** ...and its not fair. I put a halt to that **** early on.

If that is what Cindy lived, then I can see why she became such a pitiful case.. In reality, I think her brash and brazen exterior could be hiding a very weak individual. Who got walked over by Casey evidently

[IM4Truth]

No he has been a bully in the past. And then he falls apart. So he goes from one extreme to the other and that's not good. One minute he is yelling and fighting with Casey the next he's calling her pet names and kow -towing to her. There has to be a stable center. And of course the worse the environemental stress (Casey) the more extreme the problem of not having a center. A strong inner core.

Hopefully therapy will help him. That's all I am saying.

I think that is a pretty good description of Cindy too. Yelling and fighting with Casey & George, then all of the "sweetheart" carp. Hammering around, coming out with a ball bat. Falling apart about to pass out on national TV.

[MrsHudson]

You know... I am just going to throw this out there. I have always wondered if maybe George got blamed by Cindy for a lot of missing money when it was actually Casey to blame. Who knows, just a thought. JMO

I don't really think so. I don't see George taking the fall for Casey. Haven't we read that the two of them did not get along at all and were always at odds?

[aubrey04]

All we really know is that mental health professionals determined that George was enough of a risk to himself (and possibly others) to keep him hospitalized. As of right this minute, he is still hospitalized.

What happens tomorrow, according to Conway, is that George will either be released to go home, or he will be transferred to a location closer to home.

For all the speculation about George faking it, I don't believe for a minute that medical professionals would participate in helping a person fake mental /physical health issues so severe it requires continued use of hospital resources that could be used for others.

We aren't just talking about George here...we are talking about numerous medical people colluding with him to avoid legal trouble. We may see this in movies or on TV shows, but it doesn't happen in real life unless someone has a lot of money. The Anthonys don't. I'm sure Cindy has some kind of insurance, but the insurance company won't allow him to scam them, either.

We know nothing about George's state of mind. If this has been a sham, it will eventually become public. If it isn't, the man is deeply troubled and has reason to be. His testimony to the Grand Jury and interviews with LE/FBI helped put Casey where she is, and the duct tape and heart sticker on Caylee's mouth must have been devastating news. I think most would agree he loved that little girl.

Before passing judgment, I want more information...and from a named, reliable source who has no direct connection with this case.

That excludes Conway, Lenny, Nancy Grace, Greta and any other TH that shows up on the tube.

My opinion, for what it's worth.

Thank you for sharing and I think your opinion is well thought out. I agree - the things that George has gone through lately certainly are traumatic enough to land him where he is at. We still don't know what he said during the grand jury proceedings - we probably won't know until the trial, but if I had to guess -- he said some pretty damning things.

I have a feeling that George is blaming himself for a lot of things and trying to correct where he feels he failed Caylee.. Over-correcting a problem never actually works unfortunately.

I hope he is transferred to another facility and can continue in-house therapy and treatment. I really think he might harm himself - if he goes back to Cindy.. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

I know gaelic, and so your theory of sham for money.... they didn`t appeal to any kidnapper for little Caylee, so to me they looked like a bunch of grifters, so that is why I understood your reasoning for a fake kidnapping...
Well, we know now it wasn't a fake kidnapping, so I have had to revise my theory!

Although I am not sure I am really ready to throw it "out there".

[IM4Truth]

MF up next on Greta!

[?noanswer]

GVS just said MF up next. Something to do with KC's car. JMO

[panokatana]

Heres the link think its then read attached exhibit..

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Notice%20of%20Objection.pdf
Thanks gert, for taking the time to provide the link! I'll be reading that (and the posts). Wow. Maybe Cindy can let her know how much weight she's LOST. Tit for Tat (Casey: I'm NOT getting any HATE mail!)
I don't think I've ever read a case where weight gain came into play (unless it had to do with the murder or the guy who said he was too fat for the DP).

JMO

[Katprint]

MF up next on Greta!
Is there a live link to Greta?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[boo]

I don't think I want to see MF after last night. He seemed out of it. JMO

I cracked myself up with that one. I kept thinking "MF? Who is MF? Oh, of course... MiddleFinger"

Must be close to bedtime. I'm getting loopy. :sneaky:

[aubrey04]

Additionally, it is quite common for successful suicides to have made prior unsuccessful suicide attempts. There is often a pattern of escalation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Sadly - this is true. :(

[gaelicpeas]

I know ..me too.

And to be honest, I know what it feels like for Dad to cover for the kid and mom to have to be the b**** ...and its not fair. I put a halt to that **** early on.

If that is what Cindy lived, then I can see why she became such a pitiful case.. In reality, I think her brash and brazen exterior could be hiding a very weak individual. Who got walked over by Casey evidentlyYou know I respect you, Calla, and your own personal intake on this case. What gets me, though, is that Cindy seems to be almost, if not more, distasteful than her daughter. Any thoughts on that?

[IM4Truth]

I don't really think so. I don't see George taking the fall for Casey. Haven't we read that the two of them did not get along at all and were always at odds?

I thought Cindy told coworkers that George & Casey were always fighting over money.

[?noanswer]

I cracked myself up with that one. I kept thinking "MF? Who is MF? Oh, of course... MiddleFinger"

Must be close to bedtime. I'm getting loopy. :sneaky:


Better get your beauty sleep. Big day tomorrow. 8:30 AM ET. JMO

[mosey?]

I know ..me too.

And to be honest, I know what it feels like for Dad to cover for the kid and mom to have to be the b**** ...and its not fair. I put a halt to that **** early on.

If that is what Cindy lived, then I can see why she became such a pitiful case.. In reality, I think her brash and brazen exterior could be hiding a very weak individual. Who got walked over by Casey evidentlyCindy a weak person? Nah. She's just Casey all grown-up. Without the homicide thing, though.
I think early on Cindy learned to get her own way by force, with harsh 4 letter words, temper tantrums and lying.

That is something Casey gleaned at her mother's knee.

[Janz]

Well, we know now it wasn't a fake kidnapping, so I have had to revise my theory!

Although I am not sure I am really ready to throw it "out there".

Understand gaelic, I can`t yet wrap my mind around the fact that they did quickly jump on missing and kidnapping and go straight to trying to profit and yet no crying, begging, pleading for Caylee`s safe return. Ah...I will never understand these people.

[gaelicpeas]

this is off on another matter altogether but it's something I've meant to ask and keep forgetting

did anyone else find it odd the time that I think it is George visiting with Casey at the jail and he makes a comment about what a special little girl caylee was and Casey replies "She was CAPTIVATING,,, ABSOLUTELY CAPTIVATING"

maybe it's just me but it seemed so fake to me like she was put on the spot and that was the first word that popped in her mind as a fake way to act like she cared.

it reminded me of something that Scott Peterson said about Laci... some odd statement that he made while being interviewed that just wasn't the right word... and it seemed like he was looking for a word that in his warped brain a "loving husband" would use.. but it only made it sound fake

I think the word that Scott used was "GLORIOUS"

does anyone remember what the word was?

at any rate it reminded me of Casey and the "CAPTIVATING" :rolleyes:Very much so, Kit. I also remember Cindy asking Casey about videos that would show Caylee's personality because they would also be 'captivating' (not sure Cindy used that exact word, but I got the same feeling). ugh....

[IM4Truth]

You know I respect you, Calla, and your own personal intake on this case. What gets me, though, is that Cindy seems to be almost, if not more, distasteful than her daughter. Any thoughts on that?

Even though I do have compassion for the Anthonys and their loss, but I do believe Casey learned it all from Cindy. Or at least most of it, I don't think Cindy would have ever killed anyone.

[happygert]

Help!! I cant find where baez is talking about casey's physical condtion and weight gain does someone have the link??? Please...

[gaelicpeas]

I don't really think so. I don't see George taking the fall for Casey. Haven't we read that the two of them did not get along at all and were always at odds?Right... but maybe CINDY thought it was all George's doing.. when it was actually Casey.. and that explained the divorce.. Just a thought.

[MrsHudson]

Happened in my family.
The same relative was blamed for 10 years and everyone hid their valuables.....only to learn downt he road that we had been taken in by a sociopath and we had suspected the wrong person.
Divide and Conquer...Drive that Wedge.
It worked

If all of you had been taken in by a sociopath for 10 years then well that's kind of not very smart is it? And if you were blaming someone else for that long....well I hope you apologized.

If George was taking the blame for something Casey did then he is more of a weakling than I thought. That's not heroic it is phony and it would further show that family could not even begin to be authentic and
normal.

Any way there is not the slightest hint that he was doing that.

[boo]

Better get your beauty sleep. Big day tomorrow. 8:30 AM ET. JMO

I wish it were 8:30~

I believe it's a miserable 5:30 for us left coasters. :crying:

[mosey?]

I don't really think so. I don't see George taking the fall for Casey. Haven't we read that the two of them did not get along at all and were always at odds?From what I understood, Casey was ticked at George for losing so much money with online gambling. The story later changed to a nigerian scam. And George was ticked at Casey for being a 22yo leech.

[panokatana]

"Anthony sported a dark blue jail-issued jumpsuit and jail-issued flip flops. Her dark hair fell just past her shoulders...."

FGS, this sounds like a Historical Romance Novel! Substitute chamise for jumpsuit and Fabio for Baez...and you've got the makings for one!

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Understand gaelic, I can`t yet wrap my mind around the fact that they did quickly jump on missing and kidnapping and go straight to trying to profit and yet no crying, begging, pleading for Caylee`s safe return. Ah...I will never understand these people.I agree.. in fact, Cindy and Casey were on that computer on July 16 setting up all the internet sites... Too weird for me...

[?noanswer]

Oh Lord, MF driving from home to body find. Didn't GVS just do that a few days ago, except she walked with DC. Showing memorial. Dispute about R. Kronk. Dep. being investigated. DC came, didn't find anything, within 20' of body. It happens all the time walk by dense foliage. These kind of cases generate luck. Most undeveloped piece of pro. close to A. Home. Now at Amscot, where KC ran out of gas. 6 sur. cameras on parking lot, but didn't record KC dropping car out. Didn't verify anything. 2 source AL picked her up. Chev. gas station & Sam's club with pumps. Surounded by business. Logical to have AL take her to get gas, didn't happen, car stayed til towed. MF segment Stopped. UP next S. Palin, Condi Rice. JMO

[boo]

Same here Boo..{{passing tissue}} My alarm is set... It's not like we won't see it play out during the day, but I want front row seats !

Front row seats indeed. I'd like to be seated behind Casey and next to Cindy please, Mr. Baliff.

[need2no]

All we really know is that mental health professionals determined that George was enough of a risk to himself (and possibly others) to keep him hospitalized. As of right this minute, he is still hospitalized.

What happens tomorrow, according to Conway, is that George will either be released to go home, or he will be transferred to a location closer to home.

For all the speculation about George faking it, I don't believe for a minute that medical professionals would participate in helping a person fake mental /physical health issues so severe it requires continued use of hospital resources that could be used for others.

We aren't just talking about George here...we are talking about numerous medical people colluding with him to avoid legal trouble. We may see this in movies or on TV shows, but it doesn't happen in real life unless someone has a lot of money. The Anthonys don't. I'm sure Cindy has some kind of insurance, but the insurance company won't allow him to scam them, either.

We know nothing about George's state of mind. If this has been a sham, it will eventually become public. If it isn't, the man is deeply troubled and has reason to be. His testimony to the Grand Jury and interviews with LE/FBI helped put Casey where she is, and the duct tape and heart sticker on Caylee's mouth must have been devastating news. I think most would agree he loved that little girl.

Before passing judgment, I want more information...and from a named, reliable source who has no direct connection with this case.

That excludes Conway, Lenny, Nancy Grace, Greta and any other TH that shows up on the tube.

My opinion, for what it's worth.

I do respect your opinion Pat, but I disagree, and my opinion is based on my own thoughts, not those of show hosts, reporters, TH's, or anyone else for that matter.

The only way we will ever know the truth about this situation is if George admits it was a hoax, or someone who was involved in planning this public scam admits it....and this isn't going to happen IMO. This will always be a closely guarded secret.

Hipaa laws and medical confidentially prevent the hospital and medical staff from releasing any details of George's problems, or treatment. Keeping George in the hospital does not prove he is a risk to himself or to others....many seriously depressed people are admitted to the hospital without having suicidal, or homicidal plans or threats. Some people are just non functional due to depression, or on the verge of a breakdown.

The fact that he was kept in the hospital doesn't prove anything to me.
George has lived through h*ll for the past 7 months, (actually probably for years to a lesser degree.) He has plenty of reasons to be stressed to the max with this loss of his beloved gd, as well as depressed, sad, heartbroken, scared, exhausted, fearful, disappointed, confused, etc. Clearly the man is troubled and broken...that I don't question, I just don't believe he planned or attempted to take his life. On the other hand I do believe he has enough 'issues' in his life to warrant psychiatric evaluation and treatment, (and the same would apply to Cindy and maybe even Lee.) Especially when you add public humiliation, unemployment, a difficult controlling wife, lies, coverups, possible criminal charges, keeping up with his stories, trying to appease Cindy, casey and Lee, keep family secrets in the closet, lack of privacy, 3 or 4 search warrants turning his house upside down, looking at Caylee's pics everyday-that's a load of baggage for anyone to carry. I would imagine if he had gone to his family doctor a few weeks or months ago it's a good possibility he would have been sent to a psychiatrist for counseling and probably meds., maybe he did and refused additional treatment thinking it made him look weak. Maybe he was scared Cindy would get angry and accuse him of being weak, or say they couldn't afford to take on more debt. Maybe he decided this was a better way to handle it and kill several birds with one stone. Maybe Cindy (or someone else) suggested this plan. I do believe it's a good possibility a psychiatrist may have admitted him to the hospital to avoid him having a total breakdown if he had gone for a visit on his own.

Drs. understandably don't play around with suicide threats, or talk of suicidal thoughts, and they certainly aren't going to risk it in a high profile highly publicized situation, (with media reporting on it LIVE, and camped out in the parking lot), like in this situation with an obviously and understandably depressed man. Just imagine if they gave him a prescription and sent him on his way and he killed himself on the way home, even if just by having a questionable auto accident-yikes! Imagine the public scandel.

I think George needed help but for whatever reason didn't seek or follow through with help. However I think this event was for many reasons.... such as to evoke public sympathy (and it appears to have worked on some), to delay the funeral and thereby to postpone criminal charges, possibly to get Cindy to wake up and understand and take his feelings into consideration for once, and probably a few other things we don't know about just yet.

I'm just not buying it, George has not proven to be trustworthy, and his attempt seemed feeble and unbelievable to me. As LE said to George-(I also) think George knows alot about alot of things.

As for his earlier comments about thinking of taking his life, or willingly giving up his life for Caylee...not to sound harsh, but this is pretty common statement for people in his position of having lost a loved one in a horrific way, not to mention having his daughter being the one who committed the act.

Bottom line.. we all have our opinions on what actually took place, but in the big scheme of things it really won't matter much in the end...it will be nothing more than another chapter for the book, and scene for the movie...it won't change the outcome of the other issues, just postpone them.

JMO

[IM4Truth]

All MF did on Greta was start at the A home and drive to the scene to show us how close it was (like none of us ever saw Gale St John make that trip). He got out by the memorial and showed all of the dense foilage. Then on to Amscot to show 6 cameras on the building and panned down the street to show us a couple of gas stations. That's it.

[?noanswer]

MF did a little better tonight than last night. I think it was pre recorded. No inter action with GVS. Only problem, it was nothing new. Same thing we have seen before. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

If all of you had been taken in by a sociopath for 10 years then well that's kind of not very smart is it? And if you were blaming someone else for that long....well I hope you apologized.

If George was taking the blame for something Casey did then he is more of a weakling than I thought. That's not heroic it is phony and it would further show that family could not even begin to be authentic and
normal.

Any way there is not the slightest hint that he was doing that.I was not saying that George was taking the blame for Casey. I was saying that Cindy was blaming him for the missing money when in fact (or in my theory), it was Casey that was taking the money.

And, I don't think it is "not very smart" to be taken in by a sociopath. They are very good at what they do, and good people are easily "taken in" by them. JMO

[joolz]

You know I respect you, Calla, and your own personal intake on this case. What gets me, though, is that Cindy seems to be almost, if not more, distasteful than her daughter. Any thoughts on that?

Hi Gaelic, I'd like to weigh in on that if you don't mind. IMO, Cindy has a far more abrasive personality than Casey because Casey, being a sociopath, only mimics the way other people behave and react. She has no core of her own, so she can be (I assume) bubbly and charming as well as angry and spiteful - she can be anything, but none of it is realy. Cindy is just stuck being Cindy, no matter what that is. And having lived with someone like Casey myself, believe me, it doesn't improve your personality. :mad:

[MrsHudson]

Cindy a weak person? Nah. She's just Casey all grown-up. Without the homicide thing, though.
I think early on Cindy learned to get her own way by force, with harsh 4 letter words, temper tantrums and lying.

That is something Casey gleaned at her mother's knee.

My hubbys sister-in-law was a lot like Cindy. She was what some would call a shrew. She emasculated his brother, cut her kids to shreds with criticisms and treated his mother horribly.

[Calla]

If all of you had been taken in by a sociopath for 10 years then well that's kind of not very smart is it? And if you were blaming someone else for that long....well I hope you apologized.

If George was taking the blame for something Casey did then he is more of a weakling than I thought. That's not heroic it is phony and it would further show that family could not even begin to be authentic and
normal.

Any way there is not the slightest hint that he was doing that.

well its a long story and no I am not DUMB
I was more taken in by their recruits but when you love someone, you give them the benefit of the doubt more than you should sometimes.

I can't go into the details because someone will read it and because it was such a long drawn out conglomeration of things, I will be exposed and no longer at liberty to post opinions :biggrin:

And I do think he was a weaking..a manipulative weaking. Do I think his cry or attempt was authentic..yes I do
I think Cindy was taught to control the situation because no one else had the cajones to do it..and she got caught up in that behavior and became very bitter. Just my opinion...no one has to agree

[Dells]

I can't help but wonder if he is that stupid, or if he is pulling this stuff on purpose.:rolleyes:

It's probably a little bit of both...:unsure:

[steffaroob4]

Oh Lord, MF driving from home to body find. Didn't GVS just do that a few days ago, except she walked with DC. Showing memorial. Dispute about R. Kronk. Dep. being investigated. DC came, didn't find anything, within 20' of body. It happens all the time walk by dense foliage. These kind of cases generate luck. Most undeveloped piece of pro. close to A. Home. Now at Amscot, where KC ran out of gas. 6 sur. cameras on parking lot, but didn't record KC dropping car out. Didn't verify anything. 2 source AL picked her up. Chev. gas station & Sam's club with pumps. Surounded by business. Logical to have AL take her to get gas, didn't happen, car stayed til towed. MF segment Stopped. UP next S. Palin, Condi Rice. JMO

Good grief, what is he doing? They seriously are behind, it is just bizarre.

I can't wait till the morning to see the hearing.

[panokatana]

to me it just seemed like such a cold clinical type of word to use for your little sweetheart baby girl who is missing... I can't imagine referring to any of my kids that way when they were 2 yr old little cutie pies..

that's more of a word i would use to describe a performance... like a great singer or something... not my missing baby girl

seems like these sociopath types just don't know how to react in a normal loving way when asked about the victim... they have no feeling about it so they grab the most dramatic word they can think of and seem to think that that will make an even bigger impression.

To me it only accentuates how devoid of normal loving caring emotions they really are.
They simply don't have a clue how a real loving mother of a missing child would react or express herself :crying:

Like when Susan Smith was talking into the camera to her little boys... so fake and weird UGH!

Captivating - one of those little truths, perhaps? Casey felt she was captive to the responsibility of Caylee. Held captive by her, so to speak? Couldn't party like she wanted, was expected to provide for her...etc.? :shrug:

JMO

[summer4meplz]

You know... I am just going to throw this out there. I have always wondered if maybe George got blamed by Cindy for a lot of missing money when it was actually Casey to blame. Who knows, just a thought. JMO



you know what's funny....I thought the opposite....maybe george is the one that is stealing money and blaming casey......lol..

I know I'm behind....a test quote.....preview looked good....

[Kat4Eagles]

All MF did on Greta was start at the A home and drive to the scene to show us how close it was (like none of us ever saw Gale St John make that trip). He got out by the memorial and showed all of the dense foilage. Then on to Amscot to show 6 cameras on the building and panned down the street to show us a couple of gas stations. That's it.

Sorry, but who is MF?

Thanks!!

Kat

[CanCan]

I don't think I want to see MF after last night. He seemed out of it. JMO

Ooooo........I'm always up for seeing Mark Fuhrman! :wub:

[steffaroob4]

Remains may have been somewhere else first (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

[need2no]

"Anthony sported a dark blue jail-issued jumpsuit and jail-issued flip flops. Her dark hair fell just past her shoulders...."

FGS, this sounds like a Historical Romance Novel! Substitute chamise for jumpsuit and Fabio for Baez...and you've got the makings for one!

JMO

:biggrin:

~~~LOL!~~~

[Oregongal]

I can't see it taking him a week to detox from 8 beers. JMO

I agree peas. I, of course don't know, but I don't feel George is an alchoholic. I think we would have seen many signs of that in all the public appearances...including those with the protesters, where his every movement was taped and broadcasted.
And if he was a drinker there would have been more than a 12 pack with only 8 beers gone in that hotel room.
I've had mucho experience with alchoholics in my family and a 12 pack would have been downed in a flash over a much shorter period of time than George was in that room.
I think Cindy was the 'medicated' one. Not alchohol, but precript drugs.
I saw many signs of that in her public appearances.
Why are so many wanting to paint George as an alchi and not just someone who thought these 8 beers would help the pills he took along?
Detox from 8 beers, no way. Intensive counseling and medical monitoring of his health for whatever the effects of this combo of pills and beers may have done to his blood pressure probs seem more likely to me.

[happygert]

It was in his motion to excuse her from attending court.

maybe what i'm looking for is a video because IIRC he was talking about her being pale too dang ......losing it today...

[Calla]

You know I respect you, Calla, and your own personal intake on this case. What gets me, though, is that Cindy seems to be almost, if not more, distasteful than her daughter. Any thoughts on that?

Yeah GPEAS..I had thoughts on it and put it in my response to MrsH..

I am tired but I wanted to say I respect you too!

[?noanswer]

Good grief, what is he doing? They seriously are behind, it is just bizarre.

I can't wait till the morning to see the hearing.

The court appearances are about the only thing that we haven't seen yet. We get to see them as they happen and then have to yell at TV because the THs & guest get it all wrong. The only thing we can believe anymore is what we see & read with our own eyes. I just about flipped tonight when NG asked Natisha about KC comissary money. Nat. started out by saying, well she had money when she was arrested!!! JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Hi Gaelic, I'd like to weigh in on that if you don't mind. IMO, Cindy has a far more abrasive personality than Casey because Casey, being a sociopath, only mimics the way other people behave and react. She has no core of her own, so she can be (I assume) bubbly and charming as well as angry and spiteful - she can be anything, but none of it is realy. Cindy is just stuck being Cindy, no matter what that is. And having lived with someone like Casey myself, believe me, it doesn't improve your personality. :mad:I can understand what you are saying, joolz. Similar to what Calla is saying.

But then we have what Mimi has been saying... that psychopathy is genetic.

ugh... I don't know. I just know that Cindy really, really rubs me the wrong way. JMO

[Janz]

Remains may have been somewhere else first (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

Maybe the A`s back yard????

[bchand]

Good grief, what is he doing? They seriously are behind, it is just bizarre.

I can't wait till the morning to see the hearing.

Look at this steff - from Mark F.

Remains may have been somewhere else first

A former Los Angeles Police homicide detective does not believe the woods where Caylee Anthonys’ remains were found are the first place someone left her after she died.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Nevermind - I see you found it too ! lol

[aubrey04]

Used the last of the tomatoes in tonight's chili, so you're safe, hahaha.

In his interviews with LE & the FBI, I think that George was being buddy-buddy/manipulative. I think that he may be the craftiest one of the Anthony bunch.

Now - you can throw tomatoes at ME. :crying:

Nope, CanCan.. definitely won't throw tomatoes at you, friend. It is interesting to me to read the posts on here and see the different opinions on the various characters in this saga.

Earlier there was discussion about the video of Caylee at the nursing home - the last video of her alive that exists and how different people walked away after watching that same video and had such differing opinions on it. Some felt Caylee looked scared while others thought she looked very calm and safe..

It's interesting to read how different we all perceive the players and events in this story.

[happygert]

Remains may have been somewhere else first (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1)

I take what MF says with a grain of salt.......

[Murtle]

I smell smoke from the defense. The past months have been unending about the immunity deals for everyone, motion after motion being filed by the defense, & their brother, cough, in town, out of town, he is he isn't, she is or isn't, GA did or didn't, CA & BC at the hospital for him, "Sources say", PI's did or didn't, this isn't the SA or the LE. It's just bull bucky & I consider a smokescreen for the defense. Sorry if it has been said already, my turn. I just started reading here & posting. Always, my honest opinion.

[mosey?]

Dare I say it?

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.Hey Sharkie!
Why dont you deliver a candygram to Cindy? that would be nice

I was thinking, all Casey wanted was for Caylee to sleep. Get Caylee out of the way so she could party, cook for an apartment full of boys, watch movies, smoke her poco. The Chloroform in the trunk, so Caylee would sleep, and Casey could whoop it up.

And the only thing I have ever heard Caylee SAY is "Papa, woo tire, Papa?"
She really knew what that meant, didnt she?:sad:

[Calla]

I can understand what you are saying, joolz. Similar to what Calla is saying.

But then we have what Mimi has been saying... that psychopathy is genetic.

ugh... I don't know. I just know that Cindy really, really rubs me the wrong way. JMO

I agree with all of it including that psychopathy is genetic and that is where environment comes into play. You can't change the existing condition, but I do believe it can be altered by teaching accountability and consequence etc.
Doesn't mean they feel what we think they should, but they learn to act and react differently.
Not saying the wrong place or event at the wrong time would not have the same end result, but I know you know what I am saying even if no one else does..

[gaelicpeas]

you know what's funny....I thought the opposite....maybe george is the one that is stealing money and blaming casey......lol..

I know I'm behind....a test quote.....preview looked good....lol, could be.. one thing is for sure - something was not right in that family. Not sure if we will ever know the truth. But as Calla has said, and I really respect her input on this - the psychopath behind it all will implicate everyone else. JMO

[Dells]

Kat, I agree with you.........Casey would never risk her own safety by trying to resist against someone who is at least her size or larger........
She only hurts defenseless babies...........and if Casey ever did decide to resist a guard, they would only have to put her down one time...She would never resist again IMO>

Can you imagine if Casey really does refuse to go to court and they have to use force to drag her there? I can just see Baez claiming police brutality or something like that....:sneaky:

[101Spots]

Dare I say it?

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.


I think I've seen this episode.


:tonguewag:

[aubrey04]

Ooooo........I'm always up for seeing Mark Fuhrman! :wub:

Yeah, me too... :loveeyes:

[steffaroob4]

Look at this steff - from Mark F.

Remains may have been somewhere else first

A former Los Angeles Police homicide detective does not believe the woods where Caylee Anthonys’ remains were found are the first place someone left her after she died.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Nevermind - I see you found it too ! lol

I can't believe his theory, he is off big time, he is similar to LP with his days. Good grief, what is wrong with him? I can't believe he said, he thinks it was an accident...

[?noanswer]

I can't believe his theory, he is off big time, he is similar to LP with his days. Good grief, what is wrong with him? I can't believe he said, he thinks it was an accident...


MF is a few days late and a few dollars short. As someone said above "I've seen this episode". Same song, different writer. JMO

[Janz]

I can't believe his theory, he is off big time, he is similar to LP with his days. Good grief, what is wrong with him? I can't believe he said, he thinks it was an accident...

Under contract to Fox, steff! Geraldo and a lot of the TH`s at Fox seem to be under the employ of this dream team, at least that`t what I see.

[bchand]

Yeah, me too... :loveeyes:

Here he is !

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8327425&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Oregongal]

this is off on another matter altogether but it's something I've meant to ask and keep forgetting

did anyone else find it odd the time that I think it is George visiting with Casey at the jail and he makes a comment about what a special little girl caylee was and Casey replies "She was CAPTIVATING,,, ABSOLUTELY CAPTIVATING"

maybe it's just me but it seemed so fake to me like she was put on the spot and that was the first word that popped in her mind as a fake way to act like she cared.

it reminded me of something that Scott Peterson said about Laci... some odd statement that he made while being interviewed that just wasn't the right word... and it seemed like he was looking for a word that in his warped brain a "loving husband" would use.. but it only made it sound fake

I think the word that Scott used was "GLORIOUS"

does anyone remember what the word was?

at any rate it reminded me of Casey and the "CAPTIVATING" :rolleyes:

Yes Kit, I do remember Scott saying something like that and dang I cannot remember the exact word he used. It will probably come to me at 2 in the morning. LOL.
And yes, it does remind me of Casey and the "Captivating"
I'm with you on the :rolleyes:
Good catch BTW!

[gaelicpeas]

Look at this steff - from Mark F.

Remains may have been somewhere else first

A former Los Angeles Police homicide detective does not believe the woods where Caylee Anthonys’ remains were found are the first place someone left her after she died.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8327903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


Nevermind - I see you found it too ! lolI don't see this as being big news. I always thought Caylee was killed in the house or the yard.. that she was buried temporarily in the yard.. then moved down the street in the trunk to where she was found. JMO

[MrsHudson]

You stated that so eloquently.....and we wonder why Cindy isn't acting like we think she should. Umm maybe we should cut her a break after what she has lived with:wink:

Oh you smarty!

Actually Cindy was playing her part as well. I am going on the dynamic that I talked about a while back. It comes from a form of therapy called Transactional Analysis and Game Theory.

People take on roles, called the Drama Triangle.

The Drama Triangle

by Steve Karpman with Comments by Patty E. Fleener M.S.W.

Purpose: To promote the life script.
The roles of Persecutor, Rescuer and Victim are portrayed in psychological games.

Serves as a training ground for powerlessness.
Prevents psychological equality in relationships.

Will go on as long as someone is willing to be victimized.

Think if you will about a triangle. On each end are roles that we play in life. One is the persecutor, another is the victim and the last is the rescuer.

**If anyone in this triangle changes roles, the other two roles change as well.

************

I can't get into it here but it really is a great tool for understanding relationships and I had it gosh almost 30 years ago and I help me sooo much!

[Calla]

If all of you had been taken in by a sociopath for 10 years then well that's kind of not very smart is it? And if you were blaming someone else for that long....well I hope you apologized.

If George was taking the blame for something Casey did then he is more of a weakling than I thought. That's not heroic it is phony and it would further show that family could not even begin to be authentic and
normal.

Any way there is not the slightest hint that he was doing that.

Wanted to quote you again just to be clear that I was not around for that entire time period....and a lot of the information was gleened from the traditional "hindsight" avenue...

And yes I apologized, not for accusing, but for not informing the first victim of the initial accusations. Like I said ..divide and conquer was in play.

If that makes me not very smart in some peoples view..then so be it .

Would I be taken in now? Nope. Will Cindy and George ever be played by a sociopath again...not if they live through this and face reality

[Pat]

I agree peas. I, of course don't know, but I don't feel George is an alchoholic. I think we would have seen many signs of that in all the public appearances...including those with the protesters, where his every movement was taped and broadcasted.
And if he was a drinker there would have been more than a 12 pack with only 8 beers gone in that hotel room.
I've had mucho experience with alchoholics in my family and a 12 pack would have been downed in a flash over a much shorter period of time than George was in that room.
I think Cindy was the 'medicated' one. Not alchohol, but precript drugs.
I saw many signs of that in her public appearances.
Why are so many wanting to paint George as an alchi and not just someone who thought these 8 beers would help the pills he took along?
Detox from 8 beers, no way. Intensive counseling and medical monitoring of his health for whatever the effects of this combo of pills and beers may have done to his blood pressure probs seem more likely to me.

I believe there is only one poster, gogo, who is suggesting George is an alcoholic and in detox.

Could be wrong.

[101Spots]

Yes Kit, I do remember Scott saying something like that and dang I cannot remember the exact word he used. It will probably come to me at 2 in the morning. LOL.
And yes, it does remind me of Casey and the "Captivating"
I'm with you on the :rolleyes:
Good catch BTW!


Scott was asked to describe his marriage, and, yes, he said, "Glorious."

Probably the only 3-syllable word he knew.

[bchand]

I don't see this as being big news. I always thought Caylee was killed in the house or the yard.. that she was buried temporarily in the yard.. then moved down the street in the trunk to where she was found. JMO

It's not. Just what we were saying last night. Greta and Mark are a day late and a dollar short concerning this case lately.

[gaelicpeas]

I smell smoke from the defense. The past months have been unending about the immunity deals for everyone, motion after motion being filed by the defense, & their brother, cough, in town, out of town, he is he isn't, she is or isn't, GA did or didn't, CA & BC at the hospital for him, "Sources say", PI's did or didn't, this isn't the SA or the LE. It's just bull bucky & I consider a smokescreen for the defense. Sorry if it has been said already, my turn. I just started reading here & posting. Always, my honest opinion.Welcome, Murtle, and please continue posting!

[mosey?]

I don't see this as being big news. I always thought Caylee was killed in the house or the yard.. that she was buried temporarily in the yard.. then moved down the street in the trunk to where she was found. JMOIve thought:
Trunk, Backyard, Trunk, Woods.

[bchand]

MF is a few days late and a few dollars short. As someone said above "I've seen this episode". Same song, different writer. JMO

lol I just used the same words to describe him.

[gaelicpeas]

I agree with all of it including that psychopathy is genetic and that is where environment comes into play. You can't change the existing condition, but I do believe it can be altered by teaching accountability and consequence etc.
Doesn't mean they feel what we think they should, but they learn to act and react differently.
Not saying the wrong place or event at the wrong time would not have the same end result, but I know you know what I am saying even if no one else does..
I get what you are saying, Calla. I also think that if someone is a psychopath, then it will be very difficult for ANY treatment to work. Just a difficult situation all around, IMO.

Now, whether that is the case here, I am not sure.

[Calla]

Oh you smarty!

Actually Cindy was playing her part as well. I am going on the dynamic that I talked about a while back. It comes from a form of therapy called Transactional Analysis and Game Theory.

People take on roles, called the Drama Triangle.

The Drama Triangle

by Steve Karpman with Comments by Patty E. Fleener M.S.W.

Purpose: To promote the life script.
The roles of Persecutor, Rescuer and Victim are portrayed in psychological games.

Serves as a training ground for powerlessness.
Prevents psychological equality in relationships.

Will go on as long as someone is willing to be victimized.

Think if you will about a triangle. On each end are roles that we play in life. One is the persecutor, another is the victim and the last is the rescuer.

**If anyone in this triangle changes roles, the other two roles change as well.

************

I can't get into it here but it really is a great tool for understanding relationships and I had it gosh almost 30 years ago and I help me sooo much!
Interesting.
Although Casey wasn't part of the triangle was she?
I can never believe she was a victim unless we hear some craziness in court..:huh:

I can't explain what I mean to say. Maybe I can PM it to you someday and you can add some insight into why 5 people were victimized and one walked away unscathed. It is interesting..
Can't now tho..gotta go to bed

[bchand]

I believe there is only one poster, gogo, who is suggesting George is an alcoholic and in detox.

Could be wrong.


Actually, some TH said it the other night on tv. Most of us got a chuckle out of it. (8 beers and needing detox)


The guy must have never had a hangover.

[VII]

snip't for focus

seems like these sociopath types just don't know how to react in a normal loving way when asked about the victim... they have no feeling about it so they grab the most dramatic word they can think of and seem to think that that will make an even bigger impression.

To me it only accentuates how devoid of normal loving caring emotions they really are.
They simply don't have a clue how a real loving mother of a missing child would react or express herself :crying:

Like when Susan Smith was talking into the camera to her little boys... so fake and weird UGH!


Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

" The symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder revolve around a pattern of grandiosity, need for admiration, and sense of entitlement. Often individuals feel overly important and will exaggerate achievements and will accept, and often demand, praise and admiration despite worthy achievements. They may be overwhelmed with fantasies involving unlimited success, power, love, or beauty and feel that they can only be understood by others who are, like them, superior in some aspect of life.

There is a sense of entitlement, of being more deserving than others based solely on their superiority. These symptoms, however, are a result of an underlying sense of inferiority and are often seen as overcompensation. Because of this, they are often envious and even angry of others who have more, receive more respect or attention, or otherwise steal away the spotlight."

"http://allpsych.com/disorders/personality/narcissism.html"

FWIW

7

[gaelicpeas]

It's not. Just what we were saying last night. Greta and Mark are a day late and a dollar short concerning this case lately.yup... k-rect, as I am sure we will many times in the future... JMO

[mosey?]

[QUOTE=MrsHudson;12719740]Oh you smarty!


People take on roles, called the Drama Triangle.



Serves as a training ground for powerlessness.
Prevents psychological equality in relationships.

Will go on as long as someone is willing to be victimized.

Think if you will about a triangle. On each end are roles that we play in life. One is the persecutor, another is the victim and the last is the rescuer.

**If anyone in this triangle changes roles, the other two roles change as well.

QUOTE]-----------------------------------------
*Snipped
I am a little familiar with this. In TA a single psychye can take on the roll of Parent, Adult or Child at any given time.
The parent can be nurturing or condemning
The child can be either rebellious or obedient

The nurturing parent compliments the obedient child
The condemning parent compliments the rebellious child
In as much as the transaction is never-ending


Gee, I wonder where Cindy and Casey fall?
I mucked this up again, sorry

[gaelicpeas]

Ive thought:
Trunk, Backyard, Trunk, Woods.Could be.. but seems too much moving to me. JMO

[need2no]

I think they stopped the meetings because they were just wrung out by the last one. She made it very plain that she didn't KNOW (yeh, right) anything. She was done with giving anything to them. She threw her little temper tantram and brought the convo back to her and only her.
Could it be they are just damn tired of dealing with that from her and just couldn't do it anymore? Maybe they went home feeling some relief that if they didn't go to see her they wouldn't have to deal with her tantrums, her demands for attention and manipulations anymore as long as she was in jail. She was then released and they had to go thru it yet again. When she was then re arrested with no bond, they felt they had finally gotten away from her and the relief of that overweighed their possible desire to see her.
The fact that they didn't even try (as far as we know) to see her at Thanksgiving and Christmas says alot to me.
They didn't want to see her.
I could be wrong, maybe they did want to see her and she refused, but it also could be they are just too exhausted emotionally with everything else they were going thru, they just couldn't put themselves in that place again.
After Caylee was found it was the topping on the cake.
How would that jail visit gone if they had tried to see her?
They sit there so devastated and grief stricken while she sits there and possibly berates them for thinking more of what they are feeling than what SHE is going thru?
Altho, we are just hearing that they are saying they 'don't know' anymore if she's innocent, I think as soon as Caylee was found they knew in their hearts that what they thought on the 15th of July when they got that car with the death smell was really true. And even tho publicly they continued to deny, we don't know what was going on within their hearts and behind their closed doors. Their public denial, their public claiming that Casey was innocent was most likely blown completely away and they couldn't stand the thought of sitting down with her again.
Just my thoughts tho.


Good post OG...and I agree with your thoughts.

After the last jail visit, in I was in their shoes I would have been scared about what I might've said if I had to sit through another meeting like that with casey....regardless of the cameras. :angry:

In the past when people made appointments to see casey, these were shown on the visitor log..then when casey decided she would only see family, notations were made on the log about visit denied by casey (or something to that effect.) Anyway I suppose if G & C had scheduled a visit it would have shown on the log, even if casey refused to see them.
On the other hand (assuming they wanted to visit) maybe Baez told them casey did not want any visitors, and it would be better for them not to visit due to everything being recorded and made public.

[Calla]

Could be.. but seems too much moving to me. JMO

It is alot of moving but I tend to think along the same lines mosey does
trunk, backyard, trunk, woods



really got to go

NITE ALL!

[MrsHudson]

Wanted to quote you again just to be clear that I was not around for that entire time period....and a lot of the information was gleened from the traditional "hindsight" avenue...

And yes I apologized, not for accusing, but for not informing the first victim of the initial accusations. Like I said ..divide and conquer was in play.

If that makes me not very smart in some peoples view..then so be it .

Would I be taken in now? Nope. Will Cindy and George ever be played by a sociopath again...not if they live through this and face reality

Yes I see. There was a time when I was very young that I could be taken in but not now. No way.

I just can't figure out how George and Cindy based on that they should have accumulated some wisdom at their age, let Casey mind game them and that they mind game each other. And it has been going on for years evidently.

It's all mind games.

[Dells]

Soooooooo, let me get this straight. The defense wants to know who the father is? Well HELLO ask Casey......

Are they going to say Jessie got Caylee from ZFG and then went to the A's house and got a trash bag, blanket, toys and then killed Caylee and dumped her near the house to frame Casey?

OMG i feel sorry for Jessie :(

As do I. The psychologist on NG said that anyone that has come into contact w/Casey Anthony has had their life ruined. It is amazing how 1 person can cause so much damage to others.

[gaelicpeas]

[QUOTE=MrsHudson;12719740]Oh you smarty!


People take on roles, called the Drama Triangle.



Serves as a training ground for powerlessness.
Prevents psychological equality in relationships.

Will go on as long as someone is willing to be victimized.

Think if you will about a triangle. On each end are roles that we play in life. One is the persecutor, another is the victim and the last is the rescuer.

**If anyone in this triangle changes roles, the other two roles change as well.

QUOTE]-----------------------------------------
*Snipped
I am a little familiar with this. In TA a single psychye can take on the roll of Parent, Adult or Child at any given time.
The parent can be nurturing or condemning
The child can be either rebellious or obedient

The nurturing parent compliments the obedient child
The condemning parent compliments the rebellious child
In as much as the transaction is never-ending


Gee, I wonder where Cindy and Casey fall?
I mucked this up again, sorryAnd round and round we go... who knows? We need more info, IMO.

[floridamom]

I think the ant's were placating casey in the jail house visits because they were soooooo desperately hoping Caylee was still alive and if she was Casey was the only way to find her. In their hearts they probably knew she was dead...but they still had a tiny bit if hope left. When they got her home GA wanted answers (the incident mentioned by LP) and he didn't get any. No one visited her after that...I think that says alot!

[mosey?]

Could be.. but seems too much moving to me. JMOWell there was Chloro in the trunk and I think this will be found to be the cause of death.

The dogs hit on the backyard, there was the beginning of a hole, BB saw the Pontiac back in twice, and his shovel was borrowed around the 18th

And there was 2.6 days of decomp in the trunk, I believe while she was transported to the final dump spot.

I dont think Caylee was murdered in the backyard, or the house for that matter.

[floridamom]

Casey was indeed a victim at some point. She wasn't always a 22 year-old psychopath. Once upon a time, she was a vulnerable child, growing up in the House of Anthony.

Some people are born evil.....some people are raised by CA.

[Balesha]

For some reason I think Casey thought she could make it look like the nanny was framing Cindy. Will all the evidence from inside the Anthony home, I think it's a possibility, but it backfired for Casey.

I hope they found evidence on that duct tape.....even if no prints, there could be clothing fibers, etc. Wonder if we will hear any more stuff soon.

[floridamom]

This may be abit off topic, but what do U guys think??
Someone called into NG the other night and suggested that JB was allowed to take his laptop into the jail. Do U think that might be a way for Casey to communicate with George, Cindy & Anthony??
Makes sense to me....anyone else??



Possiblity....but I really don't think Casey wants to communicate with her family....she knows that they know what she did.

[Remy]

I take what MF says with a grain of salt.......

I do to but it's not a stretch to know Caylee was moved since the dogs hit on the backyard. IMO, I think the yard was the first place and the woods near her home the final place.

[floridamom]

For some reason I think Casey thought she could make it look like the nanny was framing Cindy. Will all the evidence from inside the Anthony home, I think it's a possibility, but it backfired for Casey.

I hope they found evidence on that duct tape.....even if no prints, there could be clothing fibers, etc. Wonder if we will hear any more stuff soon.

They need prints on the duct tape. Fibers, casey's hair, etc. won't do any good. All that stuff can be easily explained by the defense...she was her mom, saw her daily and even sleep in the same bed wwith her.

[mosey?]

Casey was indeed a victim at some point. She wasn't always a 22 year-old psychopath. Once upon a time, she was a vulnerable child, growing up in the House of Anthony.Say :seeya:Sounds like a new scary ride at Disney World.

In rememberance of sweet Caylee:
Let's not forget

What was Caylee's favorite food?
What color were her little crocks?
When is her birthday?
What are her 2 favorite colors?
What did she eat for dinner at Great Grandmas on Father's Day?
Where is her birthmark?
What did she name her baby-doll?
Who wanted to adopt her before she was born?
According to Ricardo, how did she get the black eye?
Who was the first person to hold Caylee?
What cartoon character is on her backpack?
What was Casey teaching her at the pool on June 2nd?
What is her favorite book?

[VII]

This case has been so emotional for everyone involved.
After all, it involves the death of a wonderfully smart little girl who, I will say again, was OBviously loved dearly by SOMEone.
I think that "someone" was Cindy ... and George.

I'm a perpetual flip-flopper on this case and was caused to pause again on my "opinion" last night when watching NG.
The BOMBSHELL that G and C mayyy be changing their staunch belief &/or statements of Casey's innocence ....
We entered into the lives of these people at the point of Caylee's disappearance.
We have NO HISTORY information about this family other than 911 being called over domestic matters, Casey didn't finish High School, nor did she have a job. She was never wed or had a relationship with the Father of her baby.
G is former LE, working car sales and security since that time.
Cindy is an RN.
Lee was living on his own, and apparently, gainfully employed and self-sufficient.
Casey was in an apparent healthy relationship with Jesse ...
and then things changed with her.....
so
having said that ...
COULD it beeee that Cindy and George DID try their best to encourage and support Casey to do the things we all want for our children?
but the child rebelled?
you have NO CLUE what it is like to try and get a rebelliious kid through school.
How do you MAKE an adolescent get UP and go when they flat refuse?
How do you MAKE an adolescent STAY in school, even IF you're able to get them up, dressed and driven to school, released to the Principal, etc...?
Narcissism onset is in adolescence or early adult hood.
it COULD be that Casey's life and G and C's parenting of her was not that much different that what each of us wish for our kids today.
There IS no perfect family.
Who are WE to say that they didn't try everything they had and the reason it FAILED was NOT because of their assumed inaction
but because the daughter had her mind SET on how she wanted to conduct her life
and did.

I'm reserved on this for now, but I also watched the tapes/snippets last night from a different persective and my opinion at the outcome was even different than the OTHER gazillion opinions I've had of their interactions.

just thinkin'

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[Oregongal]

If all of you had been taken in by a sociopath for 10 years then well that's kind of not very smart is it? And if you were blaming someone else for that long....well I hope you apologized.

If George was taking the blame for something Casey did then he is more of a weakling than I thought. That's not heroic it is phony and it would further show that family could not even begin to be authentic and
normal.

Any way there is not the slightest hint that he was doing that.

Sorry MrsH, but as much as I appreciate your posts and your intelligence with them, I must say now that obviously you have never experienced what those of us who have gone thru with a sociopath.
If you had, you never would have said what you just did.
Not very smart????
That totally offends me, and am thinking has offended others here who have walked that path.
It has nothing to do with smarts or intelligence when dealing with a socio. They are masters at manipulation and deception, especially if one is emotionally tied to them in some way. Husband, brother, sister, mother....etc.
Apologize for blaming someone else when the socio has convinced you that someone else is responsible....yes, we can try to apologize to that someone we blamed. I've had to do that. It was a humbling and humilating experience. Thankfully, it was to someone who loved me and saw things I did not see. It is especially hard when it is a socio/narcissist who blames everything on someone else. And is able to convince you thru their manipulations that they are victim, when all along they are the perpetrator.
Those of us who have walked this path and have been damaged in ways you obviously cannot understand are the ones who everyday wish it was the socio who would apologize and make ammends yet knowing that it will never happen because they DO NOT FEEL THE EMOTIONS that they have used against us to destroy everything that we as normals feel and continue to feel the effects of long after we have broken away from them.
I can understand George in his depths taking the blame. I have done the same in regard to my children. I have gone thru what he has and is most likely going thru.....the what ifs.
If only I had seen and realized sooner, if only I had never this, that or whatever....it is not trying to be heroic nor is it phony, it is not being a weakling, it is coming to a point where you see, really see for the first time....after being away from this socio for a time...that the veil is lifted and you begin to see the reality you haven't ever been able to see before.
I am so happy that you don't understand MrsH, because that means you are blessed to have not walked this path, but I am also disappointed to find thru you post, that you making judgements that you have no idea about.

[happygert]

This may be abit off topic, but what do U guys think??
Someone called into NG the other night and suggested that JB was allowed to take his laptop into the jail. Do U think that might be a way for Casey to communicate with George, Cindy & Anthony??
Makes sense to me....anyone else??



yep makes` perfect sense

[VII]

Sorry MrsH, but as much as I appreciate your posts and your intelligence with them, I must say now that obviously you have never experienced what those of us who have gone thru with a sociopath............
snip't..............
I am so happy that you don't understand MrsH, because that means you are blessed to have not walked this path, but I am also disappointed to find thru you post, that you making judgements that you have no idea about.


:beer:
have one on me, OG!

[VII]

well VII i understand what you're saying but i know one thing you DON'T DO

you don't nourish their delusion and back up their lies

you don't attend a wedding with them HUGE pregnant and not only deny that they're pregnant but go on to embellish the story by INSISTING that they've never even had sex!

when you do that you're nothing more than an enabler and you give them the upper hand...... you're assisting them in doing the wrong thing and giving it your stamp of approval

:thumbdown:


with all due respect, it's not that simple.
Only if it were.

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[need2no]

(Quoting mosey and saywhat)

In rememberance of sweet Caylee:
Let's not forget

What was Caylee's favorite food? Chili
What color were her little crocks? Blue
When is her birthday? August 9, 2005
What are her 2 favorite colors?
What did she eat for dinner at Great Grandmas on Father's Day? Chili
Where is her birthmark? Shoulder (can't recall which one) LEFT
What did she name her baby-doll? Mama
Who wanted to adopt her before she was born? Kiomarie Cruz
According to Ricardo, how did she get the black eye? Ran into a table??
Who was the first person to hold Caylee? Cindy
What cartoon character is on her backpack? Monkeys or Dora the Explorer?
What was Casey teaching her at the pool on June 2nd?
What is her favorite book? Suppertime for Frieda Fuzzypaws

[Lapis]

Sorry MrsH, but as much as I appreciate your posts and your intelligence with them, I must say now that obviously you have never experienced what those of us who have gone thru with a sociopath.
If you had, you never would have said what you just did.
Not very smart????
That totally offends me, and am thinking has offended others here who have walked that path.
It has nothing to do with smarts or intelligence when dealing with a socio. They are masters at manipulation and deception, especially if one is emotionally tied to them in some way. Husband, brother, sister, mother....etc.
Apologize for blaming someone else when the socio has convinced you that someone else is responsible....yes, we can try to apologize to that someone we blamed. I've had to do that. It was a humbling and humilating experience. Thankfully, it was to someone who loved me and saw things I did not see. It is especially hard when it is a socio/narcissist who blames everything on someone else. And is able to convince you thru their manipulations that they are victim, when all along they are the perpetrator.
Those of us who have walked this path and have been damaged in ways you obviously cannot understand are the ones who everyday wish it was the socio who would apologize and make ammends yet knowing that it will never happen because they DO NOT FEEL THE EMOTIONS that they have used against us to destroy everything that we as normals feel and continue to feel the effects of long after we have broken away from them.
I can understand George in his depths taking the blame. I have done the same in regard to my children. I have gone thru what he has and is most likely going thru.....the what ifs.
If only I had seen and realized sooner, if only I had never this, that or whatever....it is not trying to be heroic nor is it phony, it is not being a weakling, it is coming to a point where you see, really see for the first time....after being away from this socio for a time...that the veil is lifted and you begin to see the reality you haven't ever been able to see before.
I am so happy that you don't understand MrsH, because that means you are blessed to have not walked this path, but I am also disappointed to find thru you post, that you making judgements that you have no idea about.

I have never to my knowledge had any close and exended dealings with this type of person, but your post has given incite into the experience. I thank you for sharing.

[VII]

I apologize to everyone, I did not suggest that George is an alcoholic. geez, I said we do not know his diagosis. Could it be maybe he is and fell off the wagon. It could be many reasons why George is hospitilized. I was wondering if this could be one. I never said he IS.


imo ...
The alcohol was only a way to immediatly relieve some of the pain he obviously was feeling.
G was hospitalized for suicidal ideation WITH plan
and the means to do it.

He was seen as an imminent risk to himself.
That diagnosis would fall under Major Depressive Disorder, Severe.

A diagnosis of Substance ADDICTION, drug of choice alcohol, was the LEAST of his problems at that moment in time.
imo

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[Balesha]

I could swear I heard that GA would be released tomorrow (in response to above post)

[Lapis]

Again, I am sorry for being abit off topic....
[I'm on dial-up and can't review all the posts.]
Are any of the networks or CNN or anyone
covering Miss Casey's court appearance @ 8:30 tomorrow??





Headline news is covering

[VII]

I could swear I heard that GA would be released tomorrow (in response to above post)

COULD be
not WOULD be
IIRC

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[floridamom]

Again, I am sorry for being abit off topic....
[I'm on dial-up and can't review all the posts.]
Are any of the networks or CNN or anyone
covering Miss Casey's court appearance @ 8:30 tomor





Headline News (CNN) said they were covering it live.

[Oregongal]

This case has been so emotional for everyone involved.
After all, it involves the death of a wonderfully smart little girl who, I will say again, was OBviously loved dearly by SOMEone.
I think that "someone" was Cindy ... and George.

I'm a perpetual flip-flopper on this case and was caused to pause again on my "opinion" last night when watching NG.
The BOMBSHELL that G and C mayyy be changing their staunch belief &/or statements of Casey's innocence ....
We entered into the lives of these people at the point of Caylee's disappearance.
We have NO HISTORY information about this family other than 911 being called over domestic matters, Casey didn't finish High School, nor did she have a job. She was never wed or had a relationship with the Father of her baby.
G is former LE, working car sales and security since that time.
Cindy is an RN.
Lee was living on his own, and apparently, gainfully employed and self-sufficient.
Casey was in an apparent healthy relationship with Jesse ...
and then things changed with her.....
so
having said that ...
COULD it beeee that Cindy and George DID try their best to encourage and support Casey to do the things we all want for our children?
but the child rebelled?
you have NO CLUE what it is like to try and get a rebelliious kid through school.
How do you MAKE an adolescent get UP and go when they flat refuse?
How do you MAKE an adolescent STAY in school, even IF you're able to get them up, dressed and driven to school, released to the Principal, etc...?
Narcissism onset is in adolescence or early adult hood.
it COULD be that Casey's life and G and C's parenting of her was not that much different that what each of us wish for our kids today.
There IS no perfect family.
Who are WE to say that they didn't try everything they had and the reason it FAILED was NOT because of their assumed inaction
but because the daughter had her mind SET on how she wanted to conduct her life
and did.

I'm reserved on this for now, but I also watched the tapes/snippets last night from a different persective and my opinion at the outcome was even different than the OTHER gazillion opinions I've had of their interactions.

just thinkin'

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Great post VII!

[gaelicpeas]

I wasn't referring to the 8 beers. maybe he is an alcoholic who was in recovery and fell off and wants to nip it in the bud. Maybe, gogo.. but 8 beers isn't a lot for an alcoholic... JMO

[need2no]

Mose, thanks for the reminder.

See ya'll in the morning for another episode of Casey Comes to Court. :thumbup:

For Caylee Marie, tiny blue Crocs, and Mama dolls :rose:


:crying: That was sweet SayWhat.


Sweet dreams...see ya in the morning!

[CelticDawn]

with all due respect, it's not that simple.
Only if it were.

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well I say to everybody....Judge not lest ye be judged....
I really love all of yalls posts....and respect all of yalls opinions but I see that situation in two <maybe three > ways...

You see.....Cindy and George were taken by sociopath casey <add Lee to that>...then....George casey and Lee had to deal with a total control freak....no matter what their psychological situations....casey was probably constantly brow beaten as a small child <and god knows if Caylee haxd survived....Cindys will or Caseys will would have been forced on HER and she would sadly probably have become neurotic....if not wor5se....THEN THERES GEORGE....He WANTED to be strong....but then HE was not allowed....or not willing to stick up for what was really right...LEE???....probably a whipping boy....but survived by doing CINDYS bidding

[CelticDawn]

I CAN HARDLY CONTAIN MYSELF WAITING TO SEE LITTLE MISS SNITTY PANTS COME TO COURT!@!! Im sure that if they have to do a CELL EXTRACTION.....shes a-gonna be REAL MAD!!! :lol:

[mosey?]

Mose, thanks for the reminder.

See ya'll in the morning for another episode of Casey Comes to Court. :thumbup:

For Caylee Marie, tiny blue Crocs, and Mama dolls :rose:G'nite Say. Sweet dreams

[floridamom]

I believe from what LE explained during breaking news, that it was clearly a plan and not mere idealization. LE said clearly that his intent was clear. It was not merely SI but an actual attempt with ingestion.

I think he was most likely dualy diagnosed. But sadly in America they are in like flint and out like a hot potato dropped in a game. It's really sad. No one can benefit from a 10 day stay. I would hope that he gets some true grief counseling but I honestly feel that his inability to hold down a job for very long was due to some type of addiction other than gambling. His MIL complains about that and how unreliable he was in her emails. I think he has been in pretty bad shape but I am not sure that he even ingested any meds....as the tapes showed him walk out on his own, not on a stretcher or very wobbly either. So I have to take that into consideration. What I see/saw with my own eyes :D

Kat

I think he couldn't keep a job because Cindy made him quit what he loved - Law Enforcement - many years ago. She seems the type that could crush anyone's spirit. JMO

[VII]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that one because to me it is that simple

I have 3 daughters and I wouldn't assist any of them in such a ridiculous spectacle.

always glad to hear others opinions though :)

Nor would I ...
but when you're dealing with a personality disorder ...
and you LOVE your granddaughter
and you want to FIND your granddaughter
or you just simply want to KEEP THE PEACE
you'd be surprised at how accustomed you become to those behaviors.
You are like a well oiled engine and THEY are behind the wheel.
Before you know it, you are almost an automaton dancing at their feet.

As for preggers at the wedding ...
what IF G and C hadn't even PLANNED for her to GO
what IF, Casey threw some hissy FIT to go, threated to kill herself or something if THEY WENT TO HAWAII W/O HER ....
SOOooo,
they may have been so invested at that point, they really had NO CHOICE but to purchase a last minute ticket and drag her along.

When you LIVE with someone day and and day out, it is hard to see changes in them. Meaning, perhaps to G and C, Casey didn't look as "big" to them as she did to those who hadn't seen her in a while and Casey was able to orchestrate and ~reason~ with Cindy that none would be the wiser ... just say this, just do that ...
It'll be fiiiiine
"I feel it in my gut"

------------
G'Night and Thanks for the discussion :thumbup:

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[Murtle]

I can't believe his theory, he is off big time, he is similar to LP with his days. Good grief, what is wrong with him? I can't believe he said, he thinks it was an accident...

Fox is not reading up on their information. They are so far behind in this case it's getting funny. MF is just an ex-police man in the OJ case, and they are just spinning and spinning to catch up....and that's not with the news networks, it's with the blog's and forums,Do u really think they have solid informants on the blogs. LP doesn't, NG doesn't, Greta no way, GR lol, lately, I think not. Hire me. LOL

[CanCan]

this is off on another matter altogether but it's something I've meant to ask and keep forgetting

did anyone else find it odd the time that I think it is George visiting with Casey at the jail and he makes a comment about what a special little girl caylee was and Casey replies "She was CAPTIVATING,,, ABSOLUTELY CAPTIVATING"

maybe it's just me but it seemed so fake to me like she was put on the spot and that was the first word that popped in her mind as a fake way to act like she cared.

it reminded me of something that Scott Peterson said about Laci... some odd statement that he made while being interviewed that just wasn't the right word... and it seemed like he was looking for a word that in his warped brain a "loving husband" would use.. but it only made it sound fake

I think the word that Scott used was "GLORIOUS"

does anyone remember what the word was?

at any rate it reminded me of Casey and the "CAPTIVATING" :rolleyes:

:scared: ZONKS!! You read my mind!!!

Who could forget that interview with Diane Sawyer, where Little Scotty Peterson described his marriage to Laci as **GLORIOUS**

All the TH Shrinks used this as an example of Scotty's being a sociopath: he doesn't really know how to feel emotions or how to behave like a normal person..........he just imitates as close as he can what he THINKS is normal.

Ditto goes for Casey, imo.

[Oregongal]

:beer:
have one on me, OG!

As long as you join me darlin.
And can we make it Chardonnay?
Thank you.

[sammielizabe]

I just read the request-strike response from Nejame! What an awesome smackdown! Nejame 1- BOZO-0

I think KC should get a new attorney

[floridamom]

hehehe!!!

I'm gonna have a pot of tea ready and my glasses freshly polished so i catch every detail!

I swear I think I'll fall off my chair and roflmao if they have to hog tie her and drag her in feet first :laugh:

You watch... I bet she will strut in there like a queen! She will wink at JB and if the judge asks her a question she will say "ABSOLUTELY"

[Pruddennce]

Peterson: "Violence towards women is unapproachable. It is the most disgusting act to me."

yep these sociopaths just don't have a clue how normal loving caring human beings act or express themselves :rolleyes:

Casey and her "captivating" is one more example of a psychopath trying to act normal as far as I'm concerned

jmo


Casey A: anyone with information should come forward 'WITHOUT HASTE'....she tells her brother....

and he doesnt correct her....

....she perceives herself as intelligent and well spoken....

similar to SP. "creeps into his mind' <----thoughts of his missing wife's situation.....(him: Im a literary genius, I have poetic feelings)...

you are correct...psychopaths...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[CelticDawn]

I just read the request-strike response from Nejame! What an awesome smackdown! Nejame 1- BOZO-0

I think KC should get a new attorney
I think that so far....as of everyone thats been voluntarily involved....dragged in....run over.....drug thru the mud in this case....Nejame and the grunds are at the top of my list of folks with common sense....ethics....and a fighting chance of getting out of this mess unscathed.

[MrsHudson]

snipped...
I can understand George in his depths taking the blame. I have done the same in regard to my children. I have gone thru what he has and is most likely going thru.....the what ifs.
If only I had seen and realized sooner, if only I had never this, that or whatever....it is not trying to be heroic nor is it phony, it is not being a weakling, it is coming to a point where you see, really see for the first time....after being away from this socio for a time...that the veil is lifted and you begin to see the reality you haven't ever been able to see before.
I am so happy that you don't understand MrsH, because that means you are blessed to have not walked this path, but I am also disappointed to find thru you post, that you making judgements that you have no idea about.

My goodness what's all this?

I think you are stretching my point. Someone suggested that Casey was stealing money and George was letting Cindy blame him for it in order to take the heat of off Casey. I think it is self evident that no parent should let their kid get by with stealing by taking the blame for it. Allowing Casey to get away with stealing by helping her tell lies in order to avoid Cindy's wrath would be weak and phony. Anyway we have no idea any of that happened. I think some people just want to come up with excuses for George's losing money in a scam.

I think you misunderstood me to be saying George is weak for feeling guilty about Casey's behavior and wondering if his parenting skills are the cause. I have have never said that.

None of us were taken in by Casey. She is so transparently a liar and manipulator. I am sorry but the whole dang country sees it. I can't over look George and Cindy for not seeing it. They should be smarter than that. Scott Petersons parents had much more of an reason for not seeing him as he really was. He was to them a model son but Casey is clearly a different kind of sociopath.

[Motomom]

They need prints on the duct tape. Fibers, casey's hair, etc. won't do any good. All that stuff can be easily explained by the defense...she was her mom, saw her daily and even sleep in the same bed wwith her.

Hey all. Hope I am not that far behind but I wanted to jump in right here LOL.. Don't forget, Casey had not been with her daughter for 31 days, according to her. She was stolen. She looked for her for 31 days and HAD talked to her on the phone the very day her mother found her. Caylee has no reason to have any of DNA of Casey on her. She was with Zaneida, she was happy and said "Hi mommy". Certainly there would be nothing on the ducttape found her Caylee. This is her story though, not what really has happened.. but the story she is sticking to. I don't know if it works both ways kwim?

[VII]

I believe from what LE explained during breaking news, that it was clearly a plan and not mere idealization. LE said clearly that his intent was clear. It was not merely SI but an actual attempt with ingestion.

I think he was most likely dualy diagnosed. But sadly in America they are in like flint and out like a hot potato dropped in a game. It's really sad. No one can benefit from a 10 day stay. I would hope that he gets some true grief counseling but I honestly feel that his inability to hold down a job for very long was due to some type of addiction other than gambling. His MIL complains about that and how unreliable he was in her emails. I think he has been in pretty bad shape but I am not sure that he even ingested any meds....as the tapes showed him walk out on his own, not on a stretcher or very wobbly either. So I have to take that into consideration. What I see/saw with my own eyes :D

Kat

agree, Kat
BUT
the behavioral indicators you described could also be an indicator of Major Depressive Disorder, Recurrent, Moderate to Severe.
Men are not well known for seeking talk therapy or any OTHER kind of emotional assistance.
Men are not SUPPOSED to be ~emotional~.
Some stuff has been tossed out there about mental illness in G's family, so, this wouldn't be a far stretch.
Depression runs in my family ....
No identifiable triggers ... nothing.
You're going along just fine one day and the next day you can't force yourself outta bed.
Only way to stabalize is to take meds and get REAL good at recognizing your symptoms, be open and honest about it with your family and listent to THEM as they will usually see it coming before you do.

G did what was minimally required to be Baker Acted
He had a thought that he wanted to die and be with Caylee
He had a plan for how he was going to do it
He had the tools for his plan with him....
the lethality of what he had in his possession is mute
as well as whether or not he actually ingested.
There was clear intent.

Would you have left him there that night had you been LE responding?

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now I gotta get to bed ...
didn't wanna leave ya hangin' :thumbup:

[floridamom]

Hey all. Hope I am not that far behind but I wanted to jump in right here LOL.. Don't forget, Casey had not been with her daughter for 31 days, according to her. She was stolen. She looked for her for 31 days and HAD talked to her on the phone the very day her mother found her. Caylee has no reason to have any of DNA of Casey on her. She was with Zaneida, she was happy and said "Hi mommy". Certainly there would be nothing on the ducttape found her Caylee. This is her story though, not what really has happened.. but the story she is sticking to. I don't know if it works both ways kwim?

good point Motomom!

[CelticDawn]

My goodness what's all this?

I think you are stretching my point. Someone suggested that Casey was stealing money and George was letting Cindy blame him for it in order to take the heat of off Casey. I think it is self evident that no parent should let their kid get by with stealing by taking the blame for it. Allowing Casey to get away with stealing by helping her tell lies in order to avoid Cindy's wrath would be weak and phony. Anyway we have no idea any of that happened. I think some people just want to come up with excuses for George's losing money in a scam.

I think you misunderstood me to be saying George is weak for feeling guilty about Casey's behavior and wondering if his parenting skills are the cause. I have have never said that.

None of us were taken in by Casey. She is so transparently a liar and manipulator. I am sorry but the whole dang country sees it. I can't over look George and Cindy for not seeing it. They should be smarter than that. Scott Petersons parents had much more of an reason for not seeing him as he really was. He was to them a model son but Casey is clearly a different kind of sociopath.


we werent taken in by that thing because we FORTUNATELY werent the ones to sire that thing!!!


although I believe I would kick my kids butt from here to south China and back for such behaviour.....its because MY kids havent started behaving like that...<JUST YET....AND BLOODY WELL BETTER NOT>.....but then I have no idea if I could accept that I bore something like casey.

[MrsHudson]

snipped

I am so happy that you don't understand MrsH, because that means you are blessed to have not walked this path, but I am also disappointed to find thru you post, that you making judgements that you have no idea about.
snipped

Oh and I just want to add I don't get so wrapped up in people that it destroys me if I get screwed over. I think it's a good thing but others are free to think of me as whatever they like.

[Neffy]

Possiblity....but I really don't think Casey wants to communicate with her family....she knows that they know what she did.

whooooooooo

We know what she did last summer :chicken:

[VII]

I think he couldn't keep a job because Cindy made him quit what he loved - Law Enforcement - many years ago. She seems the type that could crush anyone's spirit. JMO


oh meeee
just one more post, THEN I'll ....
:lol:

BUT
Cindy may have had nothing to do with not working LE anymore.
He may have been chronically depressed,recurrent
and'ja just can't be a cop carrying a gun around like that.

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[floridamom]

whooooooooo

We know what she did last summer :chicken:

Very good -especially for this late at night!

[CelticDawn]

whooooooooo

We know what she did last summer :chicken:

now Neffy....THAT is Freaky...<Ill bet the movie will be just as horrific...only casey will be some kind of Vampire....or worse>

[CanCan]

From what I understood, Casey was ticked at George for losing so much money with online gambling. The story later changed to a nigerian scam. And George was ticked at Casey for being a 22yo leech.

Like Father like Daughter..........both leeching off of Cindy. :glare:

jmo

[panokatana]

*snipped*

hahahhahhaaaa! when she said that I thought... wth?? ... is this 2008 in Florida or have we all been teleported back to Tudor England?

Lee had a few over the top words of his own... didn't he say "affirmative" instead of "yes" or something similar all through his interviews with LE?

I remember listening to him and thinking... whats up with this dude?

Without HASTE! :w00t: Anyone remember in Gone with the Wind...when they send Prissy for the doctor for Ms. Melly? "La De Da" strolling along, tapping the fence...certainly without HASTE!



JMO

[floridamom]

oh meeee
just one more post, THEN I'll ....
:lol:

BUT
Cindy may have had nothing to do with not working LE anymore.
He may have been chronically depressed,recurrent
and'ja just can't be a cop carrying a gun around like that.

7

IIRC Lee said in one of his interviews that his mom made his dad quit LE and go into the family business "Anthony Auto".

[Oregongal]

I have never to my knowledge had any close and exended dealings with this type of person, but your post has given incite into the experience. I thank you for sharing.

I pray that you never do and I hope that thru this board, thru mine and many others here who have experienced dealings with the likes of Casey, many will learn and maybe be never have to know what we, as well as Casey's daughter, parents and 'friends' have experienced. It's so very sad that the death of a beautiful baby girl has brought us all together to possibly learn. But, maybe it was the reason she caught all our hearts, to save others from ever having to know first hand the poison and heartache that these Casey's bring into lives.
For Caylee
The baby who has brought awareness
The baby who suffered the ultimate
:rose::rose::rose:

[need2no]

Casey A: anyone with information should come forward 'WITHOUT HASTE'....she tells her brother....

and he doesnt correct her....

....she perceives herself as intelligent and well spoken....

similar to SP. "creeps into his mind' <----thoughts of his missing wife's situation.....(him: Im a literary genius, I have poetic feelings)...

you are correct...psychopaths...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

How about when casey is describing going to pick up Caylee after work >cough, cough< and no one was at the apartment...so she sat on the steps thinking it was a FLUKE. Everytime I hear her say that I shake my head. A FLUKE! My oh my what luck...your kid is missing.

[Pruddennce]

*snipped*

hahahhahhaaaa! when she said that I thought... wth?? ... is this 2008 in Florida or have we all been teleported back to Tudor England?

Lee had a few over the top words of his own... didn't he say "affirmative" instead of "yes" or something similar all through his interviews with LE?

I remember listening to him and thinking... whats up with this dude?

the entire family is stuck on the word: ABSOLUTELY.

but 'alas', I cannot recall much of Lee's words now, (could have been 'roger that', it was very strange!)....without going back to listen and read....too much laughter escaped his lips which provoked me to say as well "whats up with this dude".....!!

:)

best regards,
Pru

[Neffy]

now Neffy....THAT is Freaky...<Ill bet the movie will be just as horrific...only casey will be some kind of Vampire....or worse>

I creeped myself out with that one LOL!

[MrsHudson]

we werent taken in by that thing because we FORTUNATELY werent the ones to sire that thing!!!


although I believe I would kick my kids butt from here to south China and back for such behaviour.....its because MY kids havent started behaving like that...<JUST YET....AND BLOODY WELL BETTER NOT>.....but then I have no idea if I could accept that I bore something like casey.

I have said time and time again that I don't have kids. And this is by choice. As an outsider it seems to me that parenthood runs the gamit of a parent who will lie steal cheat and kill for a punk of a kid all the way to one who will turn their decent honest child out of the house for marrying out of their race or religion or for even more superficial reasons than that. So there is no set way that parents feel or act when it comes to their kids. It's all over the place.

But I do notice parents like write each other get out of blame free cards based on parental love causing blindness and all that. Go ahead! I am not in that club. I am offering an objective perspective. Blind parental love is not always good.

[Pruddennce]

How about when casey is describing going to pick up Caylee after work >cough, cough< and no one was at the apartment...so she sat on the steps thinking it was a FLUKE. Everytime I hear her say that I shake my head. A FLUKE! My oh my what luck...your kid is missing.

fluke.....

wow..yes...she chooses that word which did not really describe the situation....well, because it never happened....

so Casey and her fluke of a situation goes home, gets with Tony and goes and rents videos.


no phone calls to the nanny....no worrying, watches movies all nite...no breaks for phone calls....

BOINK what am I saying.....this might be the prosecutor's road map starting point as to what Casey did when she 'discovered' her daughter missing....but first, he/she has to say: SHE DIDNT HAVE A JOB, SHE WASNT AT WORK.

best regards,
Pru

[Oregongal]

Nor would I ...
but when you're dealing with a personality disorder ...
and you LOVE your granddaughter
and you want to FIND your granddaughter
or you just simply want to KEEP THE PEACE
you'd be surprised at how accustomed you become to those behaviors.
You are like a well oiled engine and THEY are behind the wheel.
Before you know it, you are almost an automaton dancing at their feet.

As for preggers at the wedding ...
what IF G and C hadn't even PLANNED for her to GO
what IF, Casey threw some hissy FIT to go, threated to kill herself or something if THEY WENT TO HAWAII W/O HER ....
SOOooo,
they may have been so invested at that point, they really had NO CHOICE but to purchase a last minute ticket and drag her along.

When you LIVE with someone day and and day out, it is hard to see changes in them. Meaning, perhaps to G and C, Casey didn't look as "big" to them as she did to those who hadn't seen her in a while and Casey was able to orchestrate and ~reason~ with Cindy that none would be the wiser ... just say this, just do that ...
It'll be fiiiiine
"I feel it in my gut"

------------
G'Night and Thanks for the discussion :thumbup:

7

Another great post 7, good night and sleep well. And THANK YOU for the discussion as well.

[Neffy]

Sorry MrsH, but as much as I appreciate your posts and your intelligence with them, I must say now that obviously you have never experienced what those of us who have gone thru with a sociopath.
If you had, you never would have said what you just did.
Not very smart????
That totally offends me, and am thinking has offended others here who have walked that path.
It has nothing to do with smarts or intelligence when dealing with a socio. They are masters at manipulation and deception, especially if one is emotionally tied to them in some way. Husband, brother, sister, mother....etc.
Apologize for blaming someone else when the socio has convinced you that someone else is responsible....yes, we can try to apologize to that someone we blamed. I've had to do that. It was a humbling and humilating experience. Thankfully, it was to someone who loved me and saw things I did not see. It is especially hard when it is a socio/narcissist who blames everything on someone else. And is able to convince you thru their manipulations that they are victim, when all along they are the perpetrator.
Those of us who have walked this path and have been damaged in ways you obviously cannot understand are the ones who everyday wish it was the socio who would apologize and make ammends yet knowing that it will never happen because they DO NOT FEEL THE EMOTIONS that they have used against us to destroy everything that we as normals feel and continue to feel the effects of long after we have broken away from them.
I can understand George in his depths taking the blame. I have done the same in regard to my children. I have gone thru what he has and is most likely going thru.....the what ifs.
If only I had seen and realized sooner, if only I had never this, that or whatever....it is not trying to be heroic nor is it phony, it is not being a weakling, it is coming to a point where you see, really see for the first time....after being away from this socio for a time...that the veil is lifted and you begin to see the reality you haven't ever been able to see before.
I am so happy that you don't understand MrsH, because that means you are blessed to have not walked this path, but I am also disappointed to find thru you post, that you making judgements that you have no idea about.

IMO It's the emotional ties more then the person being a sociopath.

Had this sociopath been a neighbor, acquaintence IMO you would have spotted it a mile away and got the broom out after them to scram.

[MrsHudson]

To me, I just think maybe you are in frequent need of a hug. Not meant to be offensive or anything, just an observation.
: )

Are you kidding me???



But that's very sweet of you.

[CelticDawn]

I creeped myself out with that one LOL!

Ive a hobby that folks freak out about....I soemtimes write horror stories.....sort of a cross between the Matrix and angel/Buffyvewrse....and CASEY would fit right in...!!! Its nothing anywhere near professional but my close frients get a kick out of my warped view of the universe.....

[Neffy]

To me, I just think maybe you are in frequent need of a hug. Not meant to be offensive or anything, just an observation.
: )


:confused:

Alrighty then!

[Motomom]

How about when casey is describing going to pick up Caylee after work >cough, cough< and no one was at the apartment...so she sat on the steps thinking it was a FLUKE. Everytime I hear her say that I shake my head. A FLUKE! My oh my what luck...your kid is missing.

It must be late, because I lol with your description of fluke.. You are right. She doesn't know how you are even suppose to react in certain situations to be able to fake real emotion. she's not even able to explain it properly. I must sound like her.. I am exhausted yet here I am.. awaiting the hearing. I am wondering if they will release any fingerprint evidence tomorrow..or how soon before we'll hear it.. and the date for trial.. I hope it is speedy :) IMO.

[need2no]

She spent waaay too much time on Sarah P and still is, fgs! I agree fox is not up to speed, mainstream channel anyways. Maybe their local site but Greta not so. Mark F did an early excellent assement of this case, and was on scene then was gone and I never saw him comment again in the case. I had wondered if he had talked to GA personally or something...then re considered. Are Greta and Mark F an item does anyone know? I've often wondered if they were.

Well, I dont know if I can sleep tonight. Im wound up. NG seems to really be upset about the food that she orders from commissary. I guess she doesnt understand that ALL prisoners are given this option depending on status and state they are in. Odd, even Casey wrote that she was allergic to shellfish, didnt eat it yet we know she is ordering it. Did she lie to herself on Myspace lol? Her early txts said to someone she didnt eat it, it was her profile info I think? Anything but shellfish...which said to me a dislike or an allergy....


Greta is too into politics to keep up with the case, but wants the viewership that is interested/addicted to the Anthony case, so she tosses a crumb or two to suck in viewers for the ratings. :thumbdown:

I thought sure Greta was married. I know one thing...I wish I could afford to hire her plastic surgeon...her before and after pics are something else.:smile:

As for casey and the shellfish...I assume you are referring to what NG said about shrimp cocktails? NG got that wrong, the jail even spoke out about NG's comment stating the closest thing they offer is some shrimp
flavored Ramen noodles, LOL. I wish I had the link to the story...I'll see if I can find it again.

[floridamom]

It must be late, because I lol with your description of fluke.. You are right. She doesn't know how you are even suppose to react in certain situations to be able to fake real emotion. she's not even able to explain it properly. I must sound like her.. I am exhausted yet here I am.. awaiting the hearing. I am wondering if they will release any fingerprint evidence tomorrow..or how soon before we'll hear it.. and the date for trial.. I hope it is speedy :) IMO.



I am exhausted, too! Speaking of the trial...just imagine how long it is going to take them to expalin all of this to a jury....it could be as long as OJ!

[CelticDawn]

I have said time and time again that I don't have kids. And this is by choice. As an outsider it seems to me that parenthood runs the gamit of a parent who will lie steal cheat and kill for a punk of a kid all the way to one who will turn their decent honest child out of the house for marrying out of their race or religion or for even more superficial reasons than that. So there is no set way that parents feel or act when it comes to their kids. It's all over the place.

But I do notice parents like write each other get out of blame free cards based on parental love causing blindness and all that. Go ahead! I am not in that club. I am offering an objective perspective. Blind parental love is not always good.

I think I understand where youre coming from....as a parent I see the gamut of parents all the way from self-righteous to total freaks....and I just HOPE I can strike a happy medium and that our kids dont go all Manson on us...ITA blind parental love just dont cut it....for instance....in my area< AND IN A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD NO LESS> we juat had a "sweet boy" beat his father to death and his mother is in critical condition.....because they didnt see what he was....

[floridamom]

Greta is too into politics to keep up with the case, but wants the viewership that is interested/addicted to the Anthony case, so she tosses a crumb or two to suck in viewers for the ratings. :thumbdown:

I thought sure Greta was married. I know one thing...I wish I could afford to hire her plastic surgeon...her before and after pics are something else.:smile:

As for casey and the shellfish...I assume you are referring to what NG said about shrimp cocktails? NG got that wrong, the jail even spoke out about NG's comment stating the closest thing they offer is some shrimp
flavored Ramen noodles, LOL. I wish I had the link to the story...I'll see if I can find it again.


She got her surgery for free...her brother-in-law did it. I remember her talking about it on her first day at FOX, after she left CNN. He told her she had some time off so why not let him fix her up ... he did a great job she looks 20 years younger!

[MrsHudson]

IMO It's the emotional ties more then the person being a sociopath.

Had this sociopath been a neighbor, acquaintence IMO you would have spotted it a mile away and got the broom out after them to scram.

Well heck. You are talking about dealing with a person you are emotionally tied to who makes makes you feel like crap every day and is ruining your life and exploiting you . You are saying that it's not your fault because you can't help being emotionally tied to them.

Well then what is your fault? What are you responsible for? Being a victim and doing nothing? And oh everyone has to be so sensitive to you?

Enabling if you ask me.

I am soooo mean! Ha!

[need2no]

It must be late, because I lol with your description of fluke.. You are right. She doesn't know how you are even suppose to react in certain situations to be able to fake real emotion. she's not even able to explain it properly. I must sound like her.. I am exhausted yet here I am.. awaiting the hearing. I am wondering if they will release any fingerprint evidence tomorrow..or how soon before we'll hear it.. and the date for trial.. I hope it is speedy :) IMO.

Yes, poor casey sees herself as much smarter than she is. It seems like she would have said.. I thought maybe the nanny got stuck in traffic, or something normal, rational, along those lines....but no, she said a FLUKE.

I heard somewhere tonight...I think the reporter Jessica D. on NG said the hearing date would be decided tomorrow. :confused: I'm also looking forward to the fingerprint evidence and the toxicology report.

[Motomom]

Does anyone else think that maybe Jesse and Family got worried that she may have committed fraud with the paternity and Jesse was her true father all along? She does like to commit fraud and did so before, with the 4k check deposit into the bank, that never was. GA Said it looked SO REAL. Were the papers she presented to the Grunds falsified too?
That is possible......I hope that doesnt come out as the truth. Then again, they were the only people who truly took this child in day after day and cared for her. Until they too found out she wasnt working and was relying on them and using them as "nannies" themselves and nothing more.

Kat

I agree with you.. and I hadn't thought of this. I would imagine that dna records would come straight from the lab, rather than someone handing them over. Wonder why he wants those? Didn't Jesse give his dna willingly?

[Motomom]

I think I understand where youre coming from....as a parent I see the gamut of parents all the way from self-righteous to total freaks....and I just HOPE I can strike a happy medium and that our kids dont go all Manson on us...ITA blind parental love just dont cut it....for instance....in my area< AND IN A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD NO LESS> we juat had a "sweet boy" beat his father to death and his mother is in critical condition.....because they didnt see what he was....


It happens every where. A good friend of mine told me years ago, you NEVER know somebody.. no matter who they are, you never really know them. I always keep that in the back of my head when dealing with other humans :)

[floridamom]

I agree with you.. and I hadn't thought of this. I would imagine that dna records would come straight from the lab, rather than someone handing them over. Wonder why he wants those? Didn't Jesse give his dna willingly?

Jesse is the one who ordered the paternity test and paid for it. The results were sent to him-see his police interview.

[Neffy]

Well heck. You are talking about dealing with a person you are emotionally tied to who makes makes you feel like crap every day and is ruining your life and exploiting you . You are saying that it's not your fault because you can't help being emotionally tied to them.

Well then what is your fault? What are you responsible for? Being a victim and doing nothing? And oh everyone has to be so sensitive to you?

Enabling if you ask me.

I am soooo mean! Ha!

Hey Lady! What the heck are you talking about! Where are you getting this from because it sure wasn't my post!

[need2no]

She got her surgery for free...her brother-in-law did it. I remember her talking about it on her first day at FOX, after she left CNN. He told her she had some time off so why not let him fix her up ... he did a great job she looks 20 years younger!

You are right, and I had totally forgotten about that. Man I wish one of my relatives was a successful experienced plastic surgeon.


I bet Greta will do better coverage of this case when the trial starts....ratings wars and all.

[BobbisAngel]

Could Todd Black really be Peter Tillman? Weird just isn't enough to describe it.


I wondered the same thing when they said that Black answered Tillman's phone. I guess Baez isn't hiring anyone that is smarter then him. Not using their real names. That is just really bizarre. I wonder what the real story is on that! Maybe they are all ex-cons :glare:

[Neffy]

I saw that, the post was not quoted correctly it looked like the post below was quoted by the poster? Not sure. That's why we use the

QUOTE BUTTON lol :D

Kat

ROFL! I was responding to OG but no way in any shape or form did I imply to what Mrs. Hudson's reply was about HOLY COW!

[Motomom]

how could Casey falsify a DNA paternity test?

She could have falsified the papers. How did she falsify the deposit?

[Oregongal]

I agree it's really difficult when kids do not go the route that you think they will, real life takes over and they take other paths that you may not always agree with. Or be able to accept at all. It's really hard and we only know from Ricks comments, and Cindy's previous denial about Caylee even in the womb, bad enough that CASEY denied her, CINDY did too!! Even to her closest relatives, which I found a horror in that actually.

Also comments about cindy going to Casey's HS to confront the teachers/principle about her grades and or lack of credits for her diploma. Per Jesse Grunde she also threw that in Casey's face often. That she was unemployed with no degree no prospects, did he really want to marry that, etc etc. I believe that Cindy berated her as much as she does George and that she is the root of this story. I've always felt that way, and not much Cindy has done in public swayed my opinion any other way. Sadly, for her.

To deny this child, at 7 mos to co workers, relatives, friends this was long before the stealing probably even started. I think that Casey really wanted to give this child up and was stuck and tricked into having her, and then she used her against Cindy and that Caylee's little life was quite horrible and confusing. This is what I believe, based on months of studying everything released in this case. And I mean about everything. That's my opinion and I dont care what Casey A or Cindy A thinks of it. I think that incest will be at the root of this family's problem and that is what they are railing against coming to light. It's just what I believe.

Kat

Kat, just lost the post I was posting in response to this....my stupid puter is giving me absolute fits tonight....:angry:
Then I tried to pm you and you apparently are not set to receive pm's.
I will shortly say, there is so much of what you said I agree with and have thought about myself.
I'll leave it at that and go back to trying to catch up....:smile:

[Motomom]

Jesse is the one who ordered the paternity test and paid for it. The results were sent to him-see his police interview.

Did they? Well then why does Baez want them? Or is he asking for something different?

[CanCan]

Here he is !

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8327425&version=1&locale=EN-US

:loveeyes: Hubba Hubba!!! Thanks, bchand!!

(Although I disagree with MF's theory. Accident???? No way.)

[Neffy]

OH OG I hate it when that happens!! TY and same to you, it's always great to see you hon. I'm logging out and hitting the sack and feather pillows for now. THanks I didnt know I had no PMS? I will go uncheck them thanks! No wonder I never get a PM FGS
LMAO!
:seeya:

No PMS? ROFL! That's a good thing :)

[Motomom]

but i thought jessie ordered the test and the results were sent directly to him... at least that's what i thought i read

:confused:

FLmom said they did. So she couldn't have falsified that, if that's the case.. at least no way i could figure out. Of course there is always a way out there chance that the lab screwed up, switched up samples by accident, but it's highly doubtful.. I think. I just don't understand why Baez would be seeking these records.

[CelticDawn]

ROFL! I was responding to OG but no way in any shape or form did I imply to what Mrs. Hudson's reply was about HOLY COW!

im so confused.....


:lol:

[CelticDawn]

:loveeyes: Hubba Hubba!!! Thanks, bchand!!

(Although I disagree with MF's theory. Accident???? No way.)

I dont think it was an accident at all....but IF I am wrong and it WAS...I STILL believe that casey is MORE THAN GRATEFUL to be rid of Caylee.....That is just the kind of a creature that she is.

[Motomom]

ya.. thats exactly what i remember from his LE interview too

I think Baez just wants his DNA so his "experts" like Henry "KETCHUP" Lee can try and link it to stuff around Caylee's remains

I don't think it has anything to do with paternity... I think Baez is using that as a smokescreen to get Jessies DNA

JMO

I thought they had his DNA though? I thought he gave it to LE? ohh you know how it is with this case.. the facts and myths get confuzzled sometimes lol

[Neffy]

im so confused.....


:lol:

:laugh:

I think it all goes back to I know what you did last summer thing :chicken:

[Oregongal]

I agree. VII has posted many insightful and thoughtful posts tonight, as have you Oregongal.

Exiled, I have been trying to catch up so don't know if my post about my puter giving me fits....:cursing: has shown up, but thank you for this. Coming from you, we've had our disagreements, it means alot that you have said this about me.

[need2no]

but i thought jessie ordered the test and the results were sent directly to him... at least that's what i thought i read

:confused:

Right, Jesse requested the test, so he would have to pay for the test and the results would go to him. Jesse told LE he had the info and would give it to them.


GRACE: Now, at the time Caylee was born, it`s my understanding that Casey Anthony wanted to put his name on the birth certificate.

GRUND: Almost immediately.

GRACE: And what happened?

GRUND: He said, No, let`s wait and do a paternity test first.

GRACE: Did she want a paternity test?

GRUND: No, she did not. She was actually angry with him about it.

GRACE: And said?

GRUND: That she just didn`t want -- didn`t want to do it. But she had no choice.

[CelticDawn]

well good night yall....Im going to BED so I can wake up bright and early to watch the freak show!!!



Now Im leaving my IM on so that somebody can jingle me bright and early...!!! <My sound is gonna be all the way up!>
Yall know who you are!!!...Dont let me oversleep.


I think court tomorrow is going to be VERY interesting!!

[MrsHudson]

Snipped...

I cant stand to see unhealthy parenting. Can't tolerate it. And Cindy, I guess that is probably the root of my anger with her. She is an enabler, of the worst kind. And very controlling. Enough to go to her daughters school and argue about her grades. How embarrassing for any teen.

There are reasons why Casey became who she did. And I think most of what we DO know say's it all. I agree with the caller tonight on NG this mother never confronted her child and said are you nuts, you know damn well there was no NANNY for this child, you didnt even have a JOB! FGS, talk about delusions and buying into them. No, this was blind parental enabling of the worst order to me. Like Scott Petersons mother, and sadly that is the class I've got this woman in. She will have to dig deep to change that public perception that SHE has put out there. SHE and SHE alone put that public perception of herself out there for the cameras and the world to see. That was HER doing.

I'm telling you, she should have never said a word to the public in this case. I wouldn't have said a word. Seemed like Casey was the only one who got that early on. Well, maybe LEE too.

Kat

You are right.

I cannot in all good common sense write G and C "parental love is blind" excuse, Blind love is an awful thing! It's not love at all if you have to blind yourself to love some one.

I am going to repeat this again. When your child starts hurting other people THAT'S IT! The blinders have to come off. You don't have the luxury of not wanting to believe that your little darling would never to do anything to hurt anyone.

Casey came up with the most ridiculous lie to explain why Caylee was missing that no one not even her own parents should have been stupid enough to believe it. Why? Because a life was at stake.

Somebody has to stand up and say, NO EXCUSES. You are so right KTee Cindy NEVER confronted Casey and said,

"Stop this now! There is no nanny. Where is Caylee? Don't tell me one more lie. I am not going to tolerate it. "

So simple! No games. No name calling. No maniupulating. But the A's knew no other way. And I don't buy the excuse that Casey was too smart for them and they were her victims. They all played off of each other switching roles and each in turn playing the victim.

[MrsHudson]

(((((Mrs Hudson))))) <--- a little hug for you.

Awe that's such a cute looking hug! :wub:

[BobbisAngel]

George Anthony to remain hospitalized.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=74640&cat=14


Now maybe people will stop saying that this was all a scam to get the focus off Casey, etc, etc. The doctors wouldn't keep George longer if he didn't need to be there. There is no way that they would be a part of any scam and they would be able to tell if he was just putting it on.

I would imagine that they want to get George stabalized on his meds and see that he gets some therapy which will help a lot. Cindy can't be involved in his therapy sessions and maybe for once George will be able to talk honestly and say what is on his mind. It's to bad that he has to go back to that house and Cindy when he leaves the hospital. It sure can't help him.

[Neffy]

well good night yall....Im going to BED so I can wake up bright and early to watch the freak show!!!



Now Im leaving my IM on so that somebody can jingle me bright and early...!!! <My sound is gonna be all the way up!>
Yall know who you are!!!...Dont let me oversleep.


I think court tomorrow is going to be VERY interesting!!

:seeya:

Waiting to hear the schlep_ching_shlep_ching_schlep _ching of the guest of honor myself.

[Motomom]

Now maybe people will stop saying that this was all a scam to get the focus off Casey, etc, etc. The doctors wouldn't keep George longer if he didn't need to be there. There is no way that they would be a part of any scam and they would be able to tell if he was just putting it on.

I would imagine that they want to get George stabalized on his meds and see that he gets some therapy which will help a lot. Cindy can't be involved in his therapy sessions and maybe for once George will be able to talk honestly and say what is on his mind. It's to bad that he has to go back to that house and Cindy when he leaves the hospital. It sure can't help him.

I have to wonder if it has ever dawned on anybody that George loves Cindy?? Wants to be with her? It's just as insulting to me to see the comments about getting away from Cindy as it is to others when they see people posting that it was a scam. Nobody knows why they have kept him. I thought it was reported that there was other medical issues.. i recall hearing that from a reporter after he was in there a day or so. We don't know if there is something else, medically that is wrong with him. I can't imagine the pain and utter despair that the A's are in..

[Neffy]

Now maybe people will stop saying that this was all a scam to get the focus off Casey, etc, etc. The doctors wouldn't keep George longer if he didn't need to be there. There is no way that they would be a part of any scam and they would be able to tell if he was just putting it on.

I would imagine that they want to get George stabalized on his meds and see that he gets some therapy which will help a lot. Cindy can't be involved in his therapy sessions and maybe for once George will be able to talk honestly and say what is on his mind. It's to bad that he has to go back to that house and Cindy when he leaves the hospital. It sure can't help him.

No doubt the guy had and has issues. He needed to get out of that house that entire environment. It reminds me of that dramatic Where's my Caylee letter in Cindy's myspace. In Casey's text messges you see where Cindy texts her to go to her myspace.

There is absolutely NO communication in that household and it's obvious there never was. They have to resort to these dramatics. IF and that's a BIG IF George would have killed himself. I believe it would have been accidental as I truly believe he did not intend on committing suicide.

[CanCan]

I think "captivating" was another multi-syllable word Casey used to make her non-high school graduating self sound intelligent.

Absolutely.
Potentially.
A neutral place.
Without haste. :rolleyes:
Captivating.
Etc.

I want to smack something every time the chick opens her mouth. :cursing:

My favorite is "WITHOUT HASTE."

:biggrinjester: I mean, that expression hasn't been used for, like, 2 centuries!!!!!!!

[Oregongal]

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Oh and I just want to add I don't get so wrapped up in people that it destroys me if I get screwed over. I think it's a good thing but others are free to think of me as whatever they like.

Good for you. It must be nice and comfortable for you to not be entwined, emotionally involved or 'wrapped up in people' that you are immune to anything that could possibly bring you any emotional pain.
As I said, it must be nice, tho I would rather be a person that feels...even if it brings pain. Because thru pain, I learn. It may take awhile, it may be hard beyond belief, but, I do learn and I have also learned to have understanding and compassion for others. I will not judge you. That is not my job or my place. Honestly tho, I feel sadness and compassion for you that you are not able to be 'wrapped up in in people'. I also will respect your thinking that that is a good thing FOR YOU.
I would ask that you respect others for, myself included, for their emotions, situations and circumstances that you may not be able to identify with.
Not all of us have the disconnect that you seem to able to have.

[Januarybaby]

I was just sitting here watching NG. I have a thought and want to run it past you guys.

The Memorial service they want to have with Casey in private with not being recorded, could it be that this is Baez way of getting them together alone with no witnesses to get their "stories" straight on whos going to say what?

[MrsHudson]

snipped....

I would imagine that they want to get George stabalized on his meds and see that he gets some therapy which will help a lot. Cindy can't be involved in his therapy sessions and maybe for once George will be able to talk honestly and say what is on his mind. It's to bad that he has to go back to that house and Cindy when he leaves the hospital. It sure can't help him.

It would be a cold day in hell before my husband would need therapy before he could be honest and say what is on his mind. A very cold day!

Poor George! Ack!

[Neffy]

I was just sitting here watching NG. I have a thought and want to run it past you guys.

The Memorial service they want to have with Casey in private with not being recorded, could it be that this is Baez way of getting them together alone with no witnesses to get their "stories" straight on whos going to say what?

Always that possibility but it'll never happen.

Even so, I wouldn't be to concerned anyway does the story of June 9th ring a bell :blink:

[Januarybaby]

Always that possibility but it'll never happen.

Even so, I wouldn't be to concerned anyway does the story of June 9th ring a bell :blink:

I doubt it will ever happen too. I was just wondering if it was an attempt from Baez to get them altogether to have a "little chat" with no one around.

Baez is grasping at short straws these days.

[norwood]

I was just sitting here watching NG. I have a thought and want to run it past you guys.

The Memorial service they want to have with Casey in private with not being recorded, could it be that this is Baez way of getting them together alone with no witnesses to get their "stories" straight on whos going to say what?

That is a good thought. It would be a way to get them all together so they can hash out a story line.

It won't happen but he might be giving it a shot.

[BobbisAngel]

In all fairness, we don't know what goes on at his home. :ohmy::laugh:


Probably nothing going on in his home these days...if the wife is even still there! But I'll bet we can all guess what went on at his office a while back :sneaky:

[MrsHudson]

Good for you. It must be nice and comfortable for you to not be entwined, emotionally involved or 'wrapped up in people' that you are immune to anything that could possibly bring you any emotional pain.
As I said, it must be nice, tho I would rather be a person that feels...even if it brings pain. Because thru pain, I learn. It may take awhile, it may be hard beyond belief, but, I do learn and I have also learned to have understanding and compassion for others. I will not judge you. That is not my job or my place. Honestly tho, I feel sadness and compassion for you that you are not able to be 'wrapped up in in people'. I also will respect your thinking that that is a good thing FOR YOU.
I would ask that you respect others for, myself included, for their emotions, situations and circumstances that you may not be able to identify with.
Not all of us have the disconnect that you seem to able to have.

Awe you feel sadness and compassion for me?

Save it! :sneaky:

I don't want to play any games so I am dropping this without further comment.

Let's move on before we get banned. OKAY?

[norwood]

I just watched NG. Always have to wait till the second run of the show:sad:

Anyway, after the Judge ruling today that Casey has to attend the hearing I am really wondering why she refused to come to court.

Baez can not be stupid enough to think the Judge was going to let her sit in the cell, not attend, and have grounds for appeal.

Her demeanor tomorrow will be interesting.

Baez wants Grunds DNA to try and through doubt into the Jurors minds. Jurors may be 12 people not smart enought to get out of jury duty but they aren't that stupid.

They will not get the prosecution thrown off the case. That is just a stupid motion to have filed in the first place and a huge waste of the court's time.

I have set my alarm to make sure I am up so I can watch the hearing.

My understanding is that it will be streamed on line but is not going to be on TV? Is that correct?

[need2no]

I doubt it will ever happen too. I was just wondering if it was an attempt from Baez to get them altogether to have a "little chat" with no one around.

Baez is grasping at short straws these days.


Unless casey is planning on testifying I don't see why this would be necessary, and I do not believe for a second she will testify. Baez can prep Cindy and George on their testimony, no need for casey to be there.

I seriously doubt casey wants to have a no holds barred convo with Cindy and George...this is a whole new world now that Caylee's remains have been found and more evidence has been released. Without the excuse of the video/audio taping, Cindy and George might expect some straight answers from casey.

I can't believe Baez would think this private meeting would be approved..seems to me he just likes to see how far he can push, and enjoys keeping his name and face out there in front of the media.
Sensationalism is the name of his game.

[Oregongal]

Great Post too OG and thanks for always helping us to remember this is about this child, about Caylee. This is about Caylee.

It's just too late for her. It was very interesting that tonight again MHBProxy was brought up in this case. I think that prior medical info may be interesting in this case, regarding Casey and Cindy as well. Im sure that depression runs in this family, we know that George also has a sister that is "not well" and he wondered if this passed on to Casey, skipped a Generation but I dont think it skipped at all. I think this was a VERY hostile home, a Very hostile up bringing and very controlling and abusive long before Caylee came into the world. People do not change on a dime like that mentally unless they have all of a sudden Schzoprenia in early adulthood. And that is always noticeable and horrible for families to deal with. I wonder if this family sought out any help for Casey as a teen. OG I guess I didnt believe Cindy in the Interview when LE asked her about mental illness in the family. I felt that she was lying, actually. We will see....

Night all, have to try to get some sleep and I also need to get patterns and find something new to make. Idle hands and all :D
Hugs and roses for Caylee.

Good night KTee, sleep well....hugs to you as well.
:wub:

PS-What kind of patterns? What do you craft? Pm me and open your recieve pm's on the control panel so I can pm you.

[BobbisAngel]

IIRC, Tim Miller rushed back to Fla and was taken by LE to the exact site of where the body was found. Mr. Miller rushed to the cameras and discussed the site and the condition of the foliage under Caylee's body. He also discussed how he searched the area. He mentioned he had lost an all terrain vehicle near the recovery site in the marsh. None of the defense was allowed on the scene as the area was being processed.

Was it a surprise that the defense would be asking to see his records of areas searched, who searched the area, the conditions of the area when he was searching.

I can't imagine why any volunteer searchers would want to remain anonymous. The questions being asked about the unusual 4 attempts to find body in this general area that Tim Miller and some of his searchers publicly stated they had searched certainly deserves scrutiny.


If I remember correctly Tim said that they started to search the area and then lost a piece of machinery because the water was so high so they pulled back. He also said that he was afraid that people would walk on evidence...horses would walk on it, etc, and he didn't want that to happen. So they pulled back and decided to wait until the water went down and they could see the ground. So in reality Tim and Co didn't search that area.

Why does Baez want all of Tim and Co's info anyway? They didn't find Caylee and he didn't search that area because of the water. If Baez keeps it up he will be reading material for the next 10 years instead of having a trial. If he bothers to pick up the material that he asks for.

[Neffy]

I just watched NG. Always have to wait till the second run of the show:sad:

Anyway, after the Judge ruling today that Casey has to attend the hearing I am really wondering why she refused to come to court.

Baez can not be stupid enough to think the Judge was going to let her sit in the cell, not attend, and have grounds for appeal.

Her demeanor tomorrow will be interesting.

Baez wants Grunds DNA to try and through doubt into the Jurors minds. Jurors may be 12 people not smart enought to get out of jury duty but they aren't that stupid.

They will not get the prosecution thrown off the case. That is just a stupid motion to have filed in the first place and a huge waste of the court's time.

I have set my alarm to make sure I am up so I can watch the hearing.

My understanding is that it will be streamed on line but is not going to be on TV? Is that correct?

:seeya:

I have no idea about tv it'll be definitely streamlined.

Casey doesn't want to face the music as she's never had to in her entire life so why would she start now. Baez only wants her to know what "he" thinks she should know. There both SOL tomorrow :)

[MrsHudson]

I think I understand where youre coming from....as a parent I see the gamut of parents all the way from self-righteous to total freaks....and I just HOPE I can strike a happy medium and that our kids dont go all Manson on us...ITA blind parental love just dont cut it....for instance....in my area< AND IN A GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD NO LESS> we juat had a "sweet boy" beat his father to death and his mother is in critical condition.....because they didnt see what he was....

That is so tragic!

[Oregongal]

OH OG I hate it when that happens!! TY and same to you, it's always great to see you hon. I'm logging out and hitting the sack and feather pillows for now. THanks I didnt know I had no PMS? I will go uncheck them thanks! No wonder I never get a PM FGS
LMAO!
:seeya:

Good night darlin. I'm also LMAO at this whole mix up.
Sleep well.

[MrsHudson]

*snipped*

maybe SOME parents but not me

I don't believe for one second that George and Cindy were taken in and believed Caseys BS

They only switched to that after they saw the situation Casey had gotten herself into and didn't want the stench to rub off on their "picture perfect" family image... so they decide... let's get behind the Zanny the nanny story and try to sell the public on us ALL being victims of a psycho babysitter.

They knew then and they know now.... that CASEY did it... plain and simple.

George is freaking because he isnt as good at the lying game as cindy and the new evidence (heart sticker etc) is more than he can deal with.

JMO :)

That's it in a nutshell.

[CanCan]

“Miss Scarlett, I don’t know nothing about birthing no babies!”

and Scarlett smacks her upside the head!

LOL.. loved that scene!

:thumbup: Ditto! Can't you just hear her saying that line??!!

[AlohaRainbow]

Unless casey is planning on testifying I don't see why this would be necessary, and I do not believe for a second she will testify. Baez can prep Cindy and George on their testimony, no need for casey to be there.
*snip*
Sensationalism is the name of his game.
actually, baez wouldn't (shouldn't) be the one to prep cindy and george on their testimony - that should be their own attroney (whoever it happens to be as this case gets to trial)

ita with your last sentence :-)

[MrsHudson]

what did Amy ever do? what did Jessie ever do? to deserve the rotten things that George and Cindy have suggested to LE?... uhhhh from what i can see NOTHING other than befriend their evil spawn.
[/B]
Sorry but I'll continue to speculate about their motives and actions just like they do to others.

they are reaping what they sowed.

bolded by me

You are exactly correct. :thumbsup:

[CanCan]

IMO It's the emotional ties more then the person being a sociopath.

Had this sociopath been a neighbor, acquaintence IMO you would have spotted it a mile away and got the broom out after them to scram.

:thumbsup: "Scram!"

[norwood]

:seeya::seeya:

I have no idea about tv it'll be definitely streamlined.

Casey doesn't want to face the music as she's never had to in her entire life so why would she start now. Baez only wants her to know what "he" thinks she should know. There both SOL tomorrow :)


Hi Neffy

Have been reading the board every day. PT is getting really old lately and just have not felt like posting much.

I think tomorrow will be interesting.

Do you think they will try to put the death penalty back on the case at some point?

[need2no]

actually, baez wouldn't (shouldn't) be the one to prep cindy and george on their testimony - that should be their own attroney (whoever it happens to be as this case gets to trial)

ita with your last sentence :-)

I agree, it's not his place to do so, but that won't stop Baez. Besides Conway wouldn't be any help with this, at least not along the lines of the way Baez would want them to respond to his questions when they testify. Of course if they are wise they will have Conway in the room when Baez preps them.

[need2no]

I go back and forth between HATING to listen to them, to being totally sucked in and listening to their redundant wording til I want to be sick. There is something terribly odd about the words and terminology that they use. All of them.

Not to mention Lee's inappropriate chuckles, and Cindy's body touching/scratching and hair fluffing, shoe on shoe off, George's closed mouth smirkish grin, and all of them chomping on gum.

[MrsHudson]

Gotta turn in. I will not be able to blog till late afternoon tomorrow. :mad:

But I'll see you all then.

Night all. :seeya:

[CanCan]

You are right.

I cannot in all good common sense write G and C "parental love is blind" excuse, Blind love is an awful thing! It's not love at all if you have to blind yourself to love some one.

I am going to repeat this again. When your child starts hurting other people THAT'S IT! The blinders have to come off. You don't have the luxury of not wanting to believe that your little darling would never to do anything to hurt anyone.

Casey came up with the most ridiculous lie to explain why Caylee was missing that no one not even her own parents should have been stupid enough to believe it. Why? Because a life was at stake.

Somebody has to stand up and say, NO EXCUSES. You are so right KTee Cindy NEVER confronted Casey and said,

"Stop this now! There is no nanny. Where is Caylee? Don't tell me one more lie. I am not going to tolerate it. "

So simple! No games. No name calling. No maniupulating. But the A's knew no other way. And I don't buy the excuse that Casey was too smart for them and they were her victims. They all played off of each other switching roles and each in turn playing the victim.

:thumbsup: BRAVO, Mrs. H!!

[Neffy]

:seeya:


Hi Neffy

Have been reading the board every day. PT is getting really old lately and just have not felt like posting much.

I think tomorrow will be interesting.

Do you think they will try to put the death penalty back on the case at some point?

PT?

I agree with tomorrow being interesting thanks to Baez. He really spiced it up with those bizarre motions.

I'm not sure if they'll put the DP back out there. I've never heard of this being done although this was backwards from the beginning jailing her first IMO hoping she would crack but Caylee was found anyways.

This is a tough one to call whether they will or not. Everytime they come out with more evidence I think possibly they will but when that subsides a bit I think they won't. Not sure, again tough one to call on this.

[CanCan]

I was just sitting here watching NG. I have a thought and want to run it past you guys.

The Memorial service they want to have with Casey in private with not being recorded, could it be that this is Baez way of getting them together alone with no witnesses to get their "stories" straight on whos going to say what?

:thumbup: BINGO.

jmo

[Oregongal]

Awe you feel sadness and compassion for me?

Save it! :sneaky:

I don't want to play any games so I am dropping this without further comment.

Let's move on before we get banned. OKAY?

No prob MrsH. I'm dropping you.....excuse me...meant to say it right now.
I have to say, I'm not playing games, never thought of that, apparently you have tho to even bring that up.
:seeya:

[norwood]

PT? snipped

PT = physical therapy.

Got to go to bed if I am going to be up to watch the hearing.

Have a good evening/night everyone.

[BobbisAngel]

No he has been a bully in the past. And then he falls apart. So he goes from one extreme to the other and that's not good. One minute he is yelling and fighting with Casey the next he's calling her pet names and kow -towing to her. There has to be a stable center. And of course the worse the environemental stress (Casey) the more extreme the problem of not having a center. A strong inner core.

Hopefully therapy will help him. That's all I am saying.


I don't see George Anthony as a bully. The only time I have heard of him getting physical or thinking about it was when he went after Casey because she wouldn't tell him where Caylee was. I believe that story comes from Lenny P so who knows if it is true or not.

I don't think George did anything that some of us wouldn't have done over our grandbaby if we had been in his shoes. If that had been my daughter and she wouldn't tell me where my granddaughter was I would have done more then just go after her. She would have told me the truth or I would have kicked her butt and then kicked her and her belongings out of my house. This had to do with that baby's life.

I believe his calling her pet names at the jail was to try and get her to tell him the truth about Caylee and where she was. Yelling didn't get him the info he needed so he tried a different way of getting the truth out of her. That didn't work either as we all know.

[CanCan]

Not to mention Lee's inappropriate chuckles, and Cindy's body touching/scratching and hair fluffing, shoe on shoe off, George's closed mouth smirkish grin, and all of them chomping on gum.

:blink: And don't forget George digging in his ear.............just like Lee Peterson............heeheehee!!

[Oregongal]

I'm gonna sign off as well. Hoping I will fall asleep fast and wake up in time to be coffeed up and watching a live stream of the hearing tomorrow.
Good night all, sleep well.
:wub:

[Neffy]

No prob MrsH. I'm dropping you.....excuse me...meant to say it right now.
I have to say, I'm not playing games, never thought of that, apparently you have tho to even bring that up.
:seeya:

:seeya:

I knew you weren't playing games and I hope YOU didn't read into my post that I replied to you. I just meant it in general. Emotional bonds are more difficult in a couple and IMO totally different then a parent and child. Once you get over that then you can see the sociopath for what they are.

[Neffy]

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PT = physical therapy.

Got to go to bed if I am going to be up to watch the hearing.

Have a good evening/night everyone.

OH YES I'm sorry Norwood you have mentioned that before I wasn't thinking.

Goodnight and we'll see you in the AM

:seeya:

[Neffy]

I was just sitting here watching NG. I have a thought and want to run it past you guys.

The Memorial service they want to have with Casey in private with not being recorded, could it be that this is Baez way of getting them together alone with no witnesses to get their "stories" straight on whos going to say what?

The more I think about this the more angry I become. New delay as know they have to work on doing it behind iron bars? Gimme a break!

Put that poor child to rest privately ASAP! The rest of the world can memorialize her and has memorilzed her in they're own way or at their own churches already. I never want to hear about Cindy's planning of "events" behind bars or in front of them again. :cursing:

[Hanford]

Anybody still here?
I'm fairly new to posting but have watched this from the beginning. What is the significance of the June 9th date?
I know it has been proven wrong but why did Casey put that out in the first place?
It is on the initial documents. Sorry if this has already been addressed but it has bothered me for awhile.
They said June 9 in the 911 call etc. but clearly nothing happened until after the 15th. Why June 9th?

[BobbisAngel]

I have to wonder if it has ever dawned on anybody that George loves Cindy?? Wants to be with her? It's just as insulting to me to see the comments about getting away from Cindy as it is to others when they see people posting that it was a scam. Nobody knows why they have kept him. I thought it was reported that there was other medical issues.. i recall hearing that from a reporter after he was in there a day or so. We don't know if there is something else, medically that is wrong with him. I can't imagine the pain and utter despair that the A's are in..


I can't imagine the pain that the Anthonys are in either. I have no doubt that they loved that little girl with their whole hearts and miss her every second of the day and night. I haven't heard that George is having physical problems but it wouldn't surprise me at all. Look at the stress he has been under for a length of time. It's sure to cause physical problems along with mental and emotional ones. I feel bad for both of them for the loss of little Caylee. I would just die if something happened to my little year old great granddaughter. I just love her so much.

[Neffy]

Anybody still here?
I'm fairly new to posting but have watched this from the beginning. What is the significance of the June 9th date?
I know it has been proven wrong but why did Casey put that out in the first place?
It is on the initial documents. Sorry if this has already been addressed but it has bothered me for awhile.
They said June 9 in the 911 call etc. but clearly nothing happened until after the 15th. Why June 9th?

:seeya:

I was just going to sign out but want to say hi. Apparently no one could remember the date that they last saw Caylee inparticular her MOTHER. IIRC Casey put it out there and they all stuck with it UNTIL one of the guys from Casey's boyfriends house I believe said that was wrong as they'd seen Caylee after that. They're was someone else to that confirmed this it was one of Casey's girlfriends IIRC they went to Blanchard Park together and Caylee was there. LE had to contact the family and TELL THEM they're stories were "WRONG".

[BobbisAngel]

I agree with you.. and I hadn't thought of this. I would imagine that dna records would come straight from the lab, rather than someone handing them over. Wonder why he wants those? Didn't Jesse give his dna willingly?


When a paternity test is done a copy of the results is sent to the male and the female at each of their addresses. There is no way that anyone could get ahold of the others results in order to change them.

[Hanford]

Thank You, Neffy, and I'll say good night.
I still wonder though because there was the video on Father's day (the 15th) that proved that Cindy had Caylee that day. She should have known from the get go the 9th was wrong. There's always tomorrow to discuss. Thanks again for replying.

[aproudmom]

Man this case is crazy. When you think you have heard and seen it all we hear breaking news. I just hope Caylee is never lost in all this. I think if they truely love this child then they should lay her to rest. I am sick of hearing they MAY need to do more test PLEASE

RIP SWEET CAYLEE:rose:

[BobbisAngel]

It would be a cold day in hell before my husband would need therapy before he could be honest and say what is on his mind. A very cold day!

Poor George! Ack!


I guess that your husband is lucky that he is able and willing to talk about his feelings and what is on his mind. I don't think that George had that kind of freedom as long as Cindy was around. I remember seeing him in that picture of him sitting out in his car with his head down on the steering wheel crying when Caylee was missing. Now why would he have to go out to the car for privacy to let his feelings out?
Why when he was talking to the FBI would he tell them something and then say that he didn't want Cindy to know that he told them such and such? Maybe I'm wrong but I have gotten the feeling from watching George and listening to him that he can't be himself around his wife if he even remembers who he was at one time. I think Cindy rules that home and the people in it and that George is expected to go along with what Cindy thinks and says as far as Casey is concerned. I won't be surprised if these two don't end up divorced down the road.

[BobbisAngel]

I go back and forth between HATING to listen to them, to being totally sucked in and listening to their redundant wording til I want to be sick. There is something terribly odd about the words and terminology that they use. All of them.


Doesn't it remind you of Scott Peterson in some of his TV interviews? He would use big words that didn't even fit with what he was trying to say. The pitiful creep.

[Shyone]

Sure hope I Did Not hear what I thought I did, Motorcade? Omg that'll boost her whatever she has and make her feel Special again..Well Forget that Little Girl get in the van we're going for a long haul :w00t:

[Zeus]

I just watched NG. Always have to wait till the second run of the show:sad:

Anyway, after the Judge ruling today that Casey has to attend the hearing I am really wondering why she refused to come to court.

Baez can not be stupid enough to think the Judge was going to let her sit in the cell, not attend, and have grounds for appeal.

Her demeanor tomorrow will be interesting.

Baez wants Grunds DNA to try and through doubt into the Jurors minds. Jurors may be 12 people not smart enought to get out of jury duty but they aren't that stupid.

*snip*

Some people serve on juries because they feel it's their civic duty to do so. The notion that they're there because they weren't smart enough to get out of it, is insulting.

[SavannahStar]

This case has been so emotional for everyone involved.
After all, it involves the death of a wonderfully smart little girl who, I will say again, was OBviously loved dearly by SOMEone.
I think that "someone" was Cindy ... and George.

I'm a perpetual flip-flopper on this case and was caused to pause again on my "opinion" last night when watching NG.
The BOMBSHELL that G and C mayyy be changing their staunch belief &/or statements of Casey's innocence ....
We entered into the lives of these people at the point of Caylee's disappearance.
We have NO HISTORY information about this family other than 911 being called over domestic matters, Casey didn't finish High School, nor did she have a job. She was never wed or had a relationship with the Father of her baby.
G is former LE, working car sales and security since that time.
Cindy is an RN.
Lee was living on his own, and apparently, gainfully employed and self-sufficient.
Casey was in an apparent healthy relationship with Jesse ...
and then things changed with her.....
so
having said that ...
COULD it beeee that Cindy and George DID try their best to encourage and support Casey to do the things we all want for our children?
but the child rebelled?
you have NO CLUE what it is like to try and get a rebelliious kid through school.
How do you MAKE an adolescent get UP and go when they flat refuse?
How do you MAKE an adolescent STAY in school, even IF you're able to get them up, dressed and driven to school, released to the Principal, etc...?
Narcissism onset is in adolescence or early adult hood.
it COULD be that Casey's life and G and C's parenting of her was not that much different that what each of us wish for our kids today.
There IS no perfect family.
Who are WE to say that they didn't try everything they had and the reason it FAILED was NOT because of their assumed inaction
but because the daughter had her mind SET on how she wanted to conduct her life
and did.

I'm reserved on this for now, but I also watched the tapes/snippets last night from a different persective and my opinion at the outcome was even different than the OTHER gazillion opinions I've had of their interactions.

just thinkin'

7

Well said!!!!!! :thumbup:

[Myka]

:thumbup: BINGO.

jmo

I don't think Casey, Geo, Cindy and Baez are all smart enough to come up w/ a story, muchless stick w/ it. With all the bickering within the family, I'm sure they would argue over the "plot" of the story, not to mention I'm sure Cindy would change the story all around

[Myka]

Sure hope I Did Not hear what I thought I did, Motorcade? Omg that'll boost her whatever she has and make her feel Special again..Well Forget that Little Girl get in the van we're going for a long haul :w00t:


lol make sure she is shackled to Big Bertha, who eats girls like Casey for lunch

[Topaz423]

If they don't come to reality about their daughter, my guess is that they will be divorced before the end of the year.

Last year when they were divorcing a lawyer for george had told Cindy that she would have to split everything down the middle
everything she has paid for and she wasn't willing to go forward with said divorce
I do not think she will this time either

[Topaz423]

:seeya:

I was just going to sign out but want to say hi. Apparently no one could remember the date that they last saw Caylee inparticular her MOTHER. IIRC Casey put it out there and they all stuck with it UNTIL one of the guys from Casey's boyfriends house I believe said that was wrong as they'd seen Caylee after that. They're was someone else to that confirmed this it was one of Casey's girlfriends IIRC they went to Blanchard Park together and Caylee was there. LE had to contact the family and TELL THEM they're stories were "WRONG".

LE found the pic of caylee taken on the 15th of June when Cindy and Caylee were visiting with her<cindys> Father,the same day the video of Caylee singing you are my sunshine was taken
LE also went to the rest home and confirmed the date via visiting records and video I believe to confirm the date being the 15th