Wednesday, January 28th - Part 2

[FrankieBones1]

Afternoon, folks!

[floridamom]

Regarding the comment from the other thread about not wanting casey to have a criminal record. They should have started her discipline when she was a small child!!!!! Everytime she got into trouble she should have been made to face the consequences....then by the time she has her own child she would have learned responsibility and the REAL RULES of society!

[eagleeer]

Afternoon, folks!

Hi FrankieBones, long time no see. :biggrin:
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[Dells]

Afternoon, folks!

:seeya: Thanks for the new thread. I'll try to keep up on this one!:tongueside:

[FrankieBones1]

Hi FrankieBones, long time no see. :biggrin:
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And a big hello to you! What do you think of Jaime selling Caylee Sunshine dolls? I have to wonder if he will be on TV again tonight. I'm embarrassed for the man.

Any idea where Lee Anthony is these days?

[FrankieBones1]

:seeya: Thanks for the new thread. I'll try to keep up on this one!:tongueside:

Hi, Dells. Nice to 'see' you! I cannot wait for this to get to trial. The talking heads seem to think it may not be in 2009 for some reason.

[aubrey04]

Frankie,
Thanks for the new thread. I told the others that this one was now open for business. :biggrin:

Anyway, I just checked the online auction site selling the Casey Anthony voodoo doll. There have been 23 bids on it and the top bid on it right now is $96.68 with almost 2 more days of bidding time left on it.

Whoever is selling it is sick. It's just another person trying to profit off of Caylee's death.

Also on ebay - a seller is selling a dart board with Casey Anthony's picture on it.. there are no bids on that item, but it appears to be newly listed.

:rolleyes:

[FrankieBones1]

Regarding the comment from the other thread about not wanting casey to have a criminal record. They should have started her discipline when she was a small child!!!!! Everytime she got into trouble she should have been made to face the consequences....then by the time she has her own child she would have learned responsibility and the REAL RULES of society!
Hi, Floridamom. Do we know what kind of trouble she may have been in before stealing from her grandparents? I've not been hearing much about her life before then.

[joolz]

Hi Frankie - glad to see you here sweetie!

The dolls have been pulled off the market IIRC because of the "criticism" they were getting. Imagine that.:rolleyes:

[FrankieBones1]

Hi, Aubrey. I saw the Casey VooDoo doll on Nancy's show last night. I think they should be mass produced but given out for free.

[RiverWalk]

There seems to be some mis-information being posted today.

The Winnie the Pooh blanket was INSIDE the bag with Caylee's remains.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530229.pdf

page #3159 starting with the paragraph:
Once at the medical examiners office, . . .

Later folks.

[i_pickle]

Frankie,
Thanks for the new thread. I told the others that this one was now open for business. :biggrin:

Anyway, I just checked the online auction site selling the Casey Anthony voodoo doll. There have been 23 bids on it and the top bid on it right now is $96.68 with almost 2 more days of bidding time left on it.

Whoever is selling it is sick. It's just another person trying to profit off of Caylee's death.

Also on ebay - a seller is selling a dart board with Casey Anthony's picture on it.. there are no bids on that item, but it appears to be newly listed.

:rolleyes:Lol, it takes all kinds, as they say. I sure wouldn't pay $96.68 for something I could make myself. By the looks of it, it's seems pretty simple to slap one together.

Maybe, in my spare time...J/K

[FrankieBones1]

Hi Frankie - glad to see you here sweetie!

The dolls have been pulled off the market IIRC because of the "criticism" they were getting. Imagine that.:rolleyes:
Hey, Joooooolz!
Jaime was sure he had millions of folks out there supporting his idea. I really don't believe anything that man says.

[Daffodil]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????

[floridamom]

Hi, Floridamom. Do we know what kind of trouble she may have been in before stealing from her grandparents? I've not been hearing much about her life before then.

The only thing I know for sure is she admitted stealing from mom & dad, Lee, Grandma, her friend Amy....she also came up 1/2 credit shy at graduation. That may not sound like a big deal but I worked at a high school years ago-Jrs. & Srs. are constantly reminded about their credits and they are completely aware of what they need to graduate but she acted as though it was a surprise and mommy & daddy went down to the school and defended her. I saw that allllllllllll the time. It made me sick. By the time a kid is 16, 17 or 18 years old they are accountable for their actions...parents should not be bailing them out. That is what is wrong with so many 20 something's today!

[Lapis]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????

Must we read something sinister in everything???? JMO

[SavannahStar]

There seems to be some mis-information being posted today.

The Winnie the Pooh blanket was INSIDE the bag with Caylee's remains.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530229.pdf

page #3159 starting with the paragraph:
Once at the medical examiners office, . . .

Later folks.

In several of my posts I mentioned it was not in the bag. I stand corrected! Thank you.

My main points regarding the blanket and the JCPenney statement still stand, though.

I appreciate your bringing that to my attention.

[joolz]

Hey, Joooooolz!
Jaime was sure he had millions of folks out there supporting his idea. I really don't believe anything that man says.

If you are talking about Salcedo, he has quite a criminal record behind him. Two words: griff tur

[SavannahStar]

Must we read something sinister in everything???? JMO


Oh have you noticed that too? :wink:

[Daffodil]

Must we read something sinister in everything???? JMO

Sinister????

This whole case and most everyone involved with it is sinister!!!!


Did you listen to it?

[FrankieBones1]

There seems to be some mis-information being posted today.

The Winnie the Pooh blanket was INSIDE the bag with Caylee's remains.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530229.pdf

page #3159 starting with the paragraph:
Once at the medical examiners office, . . .

Later folks.

Thanks, Riverwalk. I hadn't seen that report before. No mention of shoes in the bag. Sounds like all she was wearing was a little top and a white pair of shorts with vertical stripes on them.

[Lapis]

Sinister????

This whole case and most everyone involved with it is sinister!!!!


Did you listen to it?

I have and believe she is playing a game. JMO

[nana6]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????

Woa there nelly, I had not thought of this scenario. I think it was Casey I really do. Too many tv show reactions from her. For example, the heart sticker, the names of Juliette and soemone else, a guy that I forgot, then there is Casey going to the movie rental store with her bf and renting horrible movies. AND so many more reasons that I have forgotten them by now. But I say Casey is the one and no one else.

[tmw]

Hi, Floridamom. Do we know what kind of trouble she may have been in before stealing from her grandparents? I've not been hearing much about her life before then.


I've wondered about them saying she was 1/2 credit short of Graduation. I understand p. e., art, band, vocal are 1/2 credits per semester, at least they are in my local school district.
I've had questions about her juvenile record. I wonder if she got into trouble at school or elsewhere and couldn't graduate. Let''s face it they are not the most honest people about their past so I'm not convinced it was the 1/2 credit.

Would this come out in court or would those records be permently closed?

[FrankieBones1]

If you are talking about Salcedo, he has quite a criminal record behind him. Two words: griff tur
That doesn't surprise me in the least. I got a 'sinister' feel off of him.

[bhardy1956]

Must we read something sinister in everything???? JMO

I listened to the tape and it sure did sound like she said "I scared of you", but that could be my imagination. It could be anything I guess. Anyone else want a go at it???

[FrankieBones1]

I've wondered about them saying she was 1/2 credit short of Graduation. I understand p. e., art, band, vocal are 1/2 credits per semester, at least they are in my local school district.
I've had questions about her juvenile record. I wonder if she got into trouble at school or elsewhere and couldn't graduate. Let''s face it they are not the most honest people about their past so I'm not convinced it was the 1/2 credit.

Would this come out in court or would those records be permently closed?

I doubt her record would come to light in court unless it had to do with murder or prior bad acts that come close to her charges.

[Daffodil]

Woa there nelly, I had not thought of this scenario. I think it was Casey I really do. Too many tv show reactions from her. For example, the heart sticker, the names of Juliette and soemone else, a guy that I forgot, then there is Casey going to the movie rental store with her bf and renting horrible movies. AND so many more reasons that I have forgotten them by now. But I say Casey is the one and no one else.

Nana,

I agree with you. I do think Casey did it. But don't you think this might be something the defense could throw out there?

And it may very possibly establish that the big argument was earlier in the day.

[joolz]

That doesn't surprise me in the least. I got a 'sinister' feel off of him.


:biggrin: And the "I'd better go wash my hands" feeling.

[floridamom]

I've wondered about them saying she was 1/2 credit short of Graduation. I understand p. e., art, band, vocal are 1/2 credits per semester, at least they are in my local school district.
I've had questions about her juvenile record. I wonder if she got into trouble at school or elsewhere and couldn't graduate. Let''s face it they are not the most honest people about their past so I'm not convinced it was the 1/2 credit.

Would this come out in court or would those records be permently closed?

I think if she has any kind of juvenile record it will come in...particularly if it show she is a habitual liar. That would be relevant to the Prosecutions case.

[dgfred]

Nana,

I agree with you. I do think Casey did it. But don't you think this might be something the defense could throw out there?

And it may very possibly establish that the big argument was earlier in the day.

I thought the big argument was later that day?

[ishkabibble]

Thanks, Riverwalk. I hadn't seen that report before. No mention of shoes in the bag. Sounds like all she was wearing was a little top and a white pair of shorts with vertical stripes on them.

odd they don't mention the color of the shirt. I wonder if it is the blue one she is wearing in the video at the ALF. I think in one shot of that video you can see the shorts with the vertical stripes.

[nana6]

I listened to the tape and it sure did sound like she said "I scared of you", but that could be my imagination. It could be anything I guess. Anyone else want a go at it???

Do you all think she said that to Cindy or Cindy's father whom they were visiting? Sometimes small children are a little shy around the elderly I have noticed that.

[jakee]

I listened to the tape and it sure did sound like she said "I scared of you", but that could be my imagination. It could be anything I guess. Anyone else want a go at it???

I hear her say it too, but I too think it is a little game she is playing. She seems fine and not scared at all. Just a happy little girl. IMO

[Daffodil]

I thought the big argument was later that day?

Who really knows? Maybe it started before they went to the nursing home.

[ishkabibble]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????

I thought she was playing Peek a Boo!!!

[num1barb]

I've wondered about them saying she was 1/2 credit short of Graduation. I understand p. e., art, band, vocal are 1/2 credits per semester, at least they are in my local school district.
I've had questions about her juvenile record. I wonder if she got into trouble at school or elsewhere and couldn't graduate. Let''s face it they are not the most honest people about their past so I'm not convinced it was the 1/2 credit.

Would this come out in court or would those records be permently closed?


Speculation on my part, but if she really was 1/2 credit shy of graduating, my guess is the credit she lacked was p.e.... I think she didn't "suit out" or "dress out" whichever they call it in her school (where you have to change into p.e. clothes) and participate.

I speculate that she was one of those girls (there's at least one in every class) that had some excuse every day as to why she couldn't play softball, basketball, run laps, or whatever physical activity was planned for the day.

I wonder if she went as far as some do and forged letters from her mom saying she was too sick to be in p.e. today....

MOO

[FrankieBones1]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."((snipped a bit))


While I agree that most everything connected to this case is sinister, I don't believe that this should be considered that way. It looked to me like Caylee was having a fun game like Peek-a-Boo. I do not think that Cindy murdered her.

[CANDYKISSES]

Must we read something sinister in everything???? JMO

I believe she is TEASING, playing a GAME...just like when she inserts NANA's sunshine IMO.:biggrin:

[nana6]

odd they don't mention the color of the shirt. I wonder if it is the blue one she is wearing in the video at the ALF. I think in one shot of that video you can see the shorts with the vertical stripes.

OMG if you do see the stipes on the shorts, then that was probably Caylee's last day and the last thing she ever wore. Ah, this is so horrible so very sick and we have not heard everything yet imo

[num1barb]

I listened to the tape and it sure did sound like she said "I scared of you", but that could be my imagination. It could be anything I guess. Anyone else want a go at it???


I thought she said "i'm scaring you" not scared of.

But hey I'm old and my hearing ain't what it used to be LOL

[chrissybot]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????

Hi Daffodil(love your nic btw). I watched it a few times and I did hear what you heard. However, shortly after, I think I heard a women(possible nurse), speaking to Caylee in the background. Could of been the nurse in the background that walked towards Cindy maybe???? I could be wrong, but thats what I thought after watching it a few times. I think, jmo, Caylee may have been speaking to the other women.

[FrankieBones1]

odd they don't mention the color of the shirt. I wonder if it is the blue one she is wearing in the video at the ALF. I think in one shot of that video you can see the shorts with the vertical stripes.
Sounds like something they are keeping from everyone. Just in case some nut crawls out of the woodwork to confess.

[aubrey04]

Lol, it takes all kinds, as they say. I sure wouldn't pay $96.68 for something I could make myself. By the looks of it, it's seems pretty simple to slap one together.

Maybe, in my spare time...J/K

Yeah, it does look cheaply made. Like you could throw it together in 5 - 10 mins. Casey could probably start making these from her jail cell -- excuse me dorm room -- and sell 'em.

96 bucks for that? really? I guess there is a market for anyhing and everything. I am in the wrong line of work apparently.

[Daffodil]

Do you all think she said that to Cindy or Cindy's father whom they were visiting? Sometimes small children are a little shy around the elderly I have noticed that.

She was looking at the camera when she said it. I think at this point in the video the ggf was sitting to Caylee's right if you listen where his voice is coming from.

The reason that jumped out to me was because I always thought she looked really terrifed while sitting on her ggf's lap. And not afraid of him but afraid of who she was looking at. The person she was looking at was the person with the camera who was....Cindy.

After reading that little snippet from People magazine......it confirms to me that there really was not too much love in that house.

[ishkabibble]

Sounds like something they are keeping from everyone. Just in case some nut crawls out of the woodwork to confess.

well we've had a lot of nuts crawl out of the woodwork on this case but none have confessed ..Yet. LOL

[eagleeer]

And a big hello to you! What do you think of Jaime selling Caylee Sunshine dolls? I have to wonder if he will be on TV again tonight. I'm embarrassed for the man.

Any idea where Lee Anthony is these days?

Frankie, since you asked I think that he is a sleeze bag and just another leach trying to make a buck off of Caylee.

As far as Lee is concerned I think he is in deep doo doo. If I were him and glad I am not I think he is quaking in his boots waiting for the next penny to drop on him.

Heard from you know who lately? LOL

[SavannahStar]

odd they don't mention the color of the shirt. I wonder if it is the blue one she is wearing in the video at the ALF. I think in one shot of that video you can see the shorts with the vertical stripes.


I also thought it odd they didn't mention the color of the shirt.

[5boxersmom]

Where did the story come from about one of Casey's friends having Chloroform that they used on the animals for operations instead of taking them to the vets? Anyone remember that?

jmo

[bhardy1956]

I thought she was playing Peek a Boo!!!

I listened to it again and it most definitely says, "I'm scared of you", IMO, but that could be just play talk or that she was a little afraid of her great grandfather. But, I find it very odd that she would say something like that, only being 2 years old. I can see her saying that if she saw a picture of a monster or something, but right at that moment? Hummmm? Not trying to pull something out of proportion, but to me, again it seems odd.

[nana6]

She was looking at the camera when she said it. I think at this point in the video the ggf was sitting to Caylee's right if you listen where his voice is coming from.

The reason that jumped out to me was because I always thought she looked really terrifed while sitting on her ggf's lap. And not afraid of him but afraid of who she was looking at. The person she was looking at was the person with the camera who was....Cindy.

After reading that little snippet from People magazine......it confirms to me that there really was not too much love in that house.

Maybe you are right about the tape. Maybe it was Cindy she was afraid of but I guess I was hoping that Casey was the only one who was not nice to Caylee. I thought maybe she had a good life with Cindy and George and Casey went off the deep end. It is so hard to imagine, as a grandmother myself being mean or scaring my grandchildren in any way.

[Daffodil]

Hi Daffodil(love your nic btw). I watched it a few times and I did hear what you heard. However, shortly after, I think I heard a women(possible nurse), speaking to Caylee in the background. Could of been the nurse in the background that walked towards Cindy maybe???? I could be wrong, but thats what I thought after watching it a few times. I think, jmo, Caylee may have been speaking to the other women.

That is a good possibility.

[cmklaw]

In the nursing home tape, I thought Cayle said "I see you," not "I'm scared of you." This would make sense as it appears she was playing Peek-A-Boo.

[gogo]

I have just finished the Feb 2, issue of the National Enquirer. Terrible things stated about brother Lee.( sexual nature) the paper is quoting Yuri Melich and his team. they quote Lazzaro and Grund also that Casy said Caylees was conceived as a result of a rape situation. also has it been confirmed ( again I ask) if George is in a medical or psych ward. Monday I heard he was transferred to medical but I cannot find the transcript because I do not know the show. also, when was Caylees remains released? Are they saying the lawyer detained it? IMO he is acting for the anthony's stalling for the highest bidder. also was it a job fair and not an interview George went that morning.? Cindy and mr. Conway ran with that. Good thinking George. have a nice rest and you can thank Gorgeous, sweet, beautiful Casey. What chapter do you think Cindy will put this "suicide " in. beer,pizza, high blood pressure pills and a rambling letter from a inebriated George. "I had it you guys, I am getting the ef away. see you later ( tomorrow) . gogo

[ishkabibble]

I also thought it odd they didn't mention the color of the shirt.

i'm gonna guess they pull it out the evidence bag at trial and along with the video at the ALF, get the point across that Caylee was dead from the beginning, never missing. All the forensic tests as to date of death, bugs etc. won't matter because how likely is it that she just happened to be wearing the very same outfit at some later date as she was on the last day anyone other than Casey saw her. I don't think "Laundry Rotation" (thanks Seinfeld) will be reasonable enough doubt.

[nana6]

i'm gonna guess they pull it out the evidence bag at trial and along with the video at the ALF, get the point across that Caylee was dead from the beginning, never missing. All the forensic tests as to date of death, bugs etc. won't matter because how likely is it that she just happened to be wearing the very same outfit at some later date as she was on the last day anyone other than Casey saw her. I don't think "Laundry Rotation" (thanks Seinfeld) will be reasonable enough doubt.

Amen ITA with you

[Daffodil]

Maybe you are right about the tape. Maybe it was Cindy she was afraid of but I guess I was hoping that Casey was the only one who was not nice to Caylee. I thought maybe she had a good life with Cindy and George and Casey went off the deep end. It is so hard to imagine, as a grandmother myself being mean or scaring my grandchildren in any way.

Nana,

For some reason your response has just made me so sad for Caylee. Because I don't think things were all lovey dovey and rosey. And that breaks my heart along with every other crazy thing I have read about this case. Can you imagine a child not loved by their parent(s) or possibly grandparent(s)? The reality is that there are probably so many children out there that are not loved.

[commonguymd]

I have just finished the Feb 2, issue of the National Enquirer. Terrible things stated about brother Lee.( sexual nature) the paper is quoting Yuri Melich and his team. they quote Lazzaro and Grund also that Casy said Caylees was conceived as a result of a rape situation. also has it been confirmed ( again I ask) if George is in a medical or psych ward. Monday I heard he was transferred to medical but I cannot find the transcript because I do not know the show. also, when was Caylees remains released? Are they saying the lawyer detained it? IMO he is acting for the anthony's stalling for the highest bidder. also was it a job fair and not an interview George went that morning.? Cindy and mr. Conway ran with that. Good thinking George. have a nice rest and you can thank Gorgeous, sweet, beautiful Casey. What chapter do you think Cindy will put this "suicide " in. beer,pizza, high blood pressure pills and a rambling letter from a inebriated George. "I had it you guys, I am getting the ef away. see you later ( tomorrow) . gogo

Would love to read it. Interesting.

[aubrey04]

I guess we all have different opinions on how Caylee looked in that video. To me - she looked very comfortable in her great grandfathers lap. She looked like she was laying on him listening to his heartbeat.

That's what struck me as so sad about the video. She was nestled right up against him - so calm. That's just my perception though.

I don't think Cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death, although I do believe she tried to cover for Casey after she became aware that Caylee was missing (and I believe she knew she was dead soon after the 911 calls).

But I do wonder if the clothes Caylee was found in -- were the same clothes from the nursing home visit.. It is all so weird to me. Cindy claims she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed that night.. that never rung true for me. Why would Cindy tuck Casey into bed? That's just weird.

jmo

[floridamom]

Nana,

For some reason your response has just made me so sad for Caylee. Because I don't think things were all lovey dovey and rosey. And that breaks my heart along with every other crazy thing I have read about this case. Can you imagine a child not loved by their parent(s) or possibly grandparent(s)? The reality is that there are probably so many children out there that are not loved.


I am pretty sure George loved her unconditionally. He is the one suffering the most!

[bhardy1956]

Maybe she was just afraid of the place i think i need to clean out my ears because i didnt hear her say that lol but I do believe all that did.
I thought she looked afraid when she was sitting on great grandfathers lap. I will never understand how someone could kill that beautiful baby.

I would not, in a court of law say that "I'm scared of you" is what Caylee says, but it just sounds like it and I find it odd, but it could have been anything, as my ears don't work as good as they used to! I don't believe however that CA murdered Caylee, I believe the casey did. I do believe however that CA is covering up for casey, she and the rest of the family.

[happygert]

brought this over from last thread..

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Exiled
You do realize that at some point our government stepped in and decided how we could discipline our children. Maybe the reward them for everything and don't dare spank them wasn't the most effective way with all children.




happygert posted this;

When the government starts paying for my kids clothes, food, medical, college, insurances,housing, schools, sports, band instruments cars,hair cuts, dentists, Then they can tell me how to discipline my kids.. Until then I am so tired of everyone saying they cant DISCIPLINE their own children thats a COP OUT!.. You can discipline and you can make your children behave. There's a difference between child abuse and DISCIPLINE...Thats why there is so many kids doing what the want, taking what they want, and it wasn't there's to take, and yes even commiting murders..Its not the government it's the DAM PARENTS..BLAME EVERYONE ELSE.. NO ONE TAKES RESPONSIBILTY
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[ishkabibble]

Maybe she was just afraid of the place i think i need to clean out my ears because i didnt hear her say that lol but I do believe all that did.
I thought she looked afraid when she was sitting on great grandfathers lap. I will never understand how someone could kill that beautiful baby.

She could well have been a bit afraid of him, he was old and frail, in a wheelchair, very understandable. I remember my Great grandmother was blind and as a small child I was very nervous around her. talking to her was fine but when she would reach out and grab you by the arm as you walked by or she would want you to sit on her lap, not so much, I knew I was supposed to love her because she was my great granny but I do remember dreading those visits.

[floridamom]

brought this over from last thread..

Happygert
registered user join date: Oct 2008
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quote:
Originally posted by exiled
you do realize that at some point our government stepped in and decided how we could discipline our children. Maybe the reward them for everything and don't dare spank them wasn't the most effective way with all children.




Happygert posted this;

when the government starts paying for my kids clothes, food, medical, college, insurances,housing, schools, sports, band instruments cars,hair cuts, dentists, then they can tell me how to discipline my kids.. Until then i am so tired of everyone saying they cant discipline their own children thats a cop out!.. You can discipline and you can make your children behave. There's a difference between child abuse and discipline...thats why there is so many kids doing what the want, taking what they want, and it wasn't there's to take, and yes even commiting murders..its not the government it's the dam parents..blame everyone else.. No one takes responsibilty
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amen!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Heyes]

Someone clarify this for me....biaz wants the prosecutor removed because he thinks the prosecutor is leaking things that make him look like a dufus in the media? (does he really need any help with that?) He's upset that he has been reported and should be investigated because of his possible media deals? Um... Isn't this supposed to be about his client. Is this another whinefest from biaz because we're laughing at him? What is wrong with this guy? Why would he care about what is being said if he's merely just doing his job and nothing unethical? Thomas Messerou should really try to talk to this nutjob about how to act in high profile cases. What an ego.
Too bad, soo sad.

[Daffodil]

I guess we all have different opinions on how Caylee looked in that video. To me - she looked very comfortable in her great grandfathers lap. She looked like she was laying on him listening to his heartbeat.

That's what struck me as so sad about the video. She was nestled right up against him - so calm. That's just my perception though.

I don't think Cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death, although I do believe she tried to cover for Casey after she became aware that Caylee was missing (and I believe she knew she was dead soon after the 911 calls).

But I do wonder if the clothes Caylee was found in -- were the same clothes from the nursing home visit.. It is all so weird to me. Cindy claims she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed that night.. that never rung true for me. Why would Cindy tuck Casey into bed? That's just weird.

jmo

Aubrey, That is how I felt also when Cindy said she tucks them in "every" night. How bizarre.

I also felt that Caylee felt calm and safe on ggf's lap. I could imagine her listening to his heartbeat. She really did look like she felt safe and secure but if you watch her eyes whenever she looked at the camera, she looked terrified.

[floridamom]

Someone clarify this for me....biaz wants the prosecutor removed because he thinks the prosecutor is leaking things that make him look like a dufus in the media? (does he really need any help with that?) He's upset that he has been reported and should be investigated because of his possible media deals? Um... Isn't this supposed to be about his client. Is this another whinefest from biaz because we're laughing at him? What is wrong with this guy? Why would he care about what is being said if he's merely just doing his job and nothing unethical? Thomas Messerou should really try to talk to this nutjob about how to act in high profile cases. What an ego.
Too bad, soo sad.

He is in way over his head!

[WillowInFlight]

brought this over from last thread..

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,795

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exiled
You do realize that at some point our government stepped in and decided how we could discipline our children. Maybe the reward them for everything and don't dare spank them wasn't the most effective way with all children.




happygert posted this;

When the government starts paying for my kids clothes, food, medical, college, insurances,housing, schools, sports, band instruments cars,hair cuts, dentists, Then they can tell me how to discipline my kids.. Until then I am so tired of everyone saying they cant DISCIPLINE their own children thats a COP OUT!.. You can discipline and you can make your children behave. There's a difference between child abuse and DISCIPLINE...Thats why there is so many kids doing what the want, taking what they want, and it wasn't there's to take, and yes even commiting murders..Its not the government it's the DAM PARENTS..BLAME EVERYONE ELSE.. NO ONE TAKES RESPONSIBILTY
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my own opinions

ITA happy great post.

[nana6]

I guess we all have different opinions on how Caylee looked in that video. To me - she looked very comfortable in her great grandfathers lap. She looked like she was laying on him listening to his heartbeat.

That's what struck me as so sad about the video. She was nestled right up against him - so calm. That's just my perception though.

I don't think Cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death, although I do believe she tried to cover for Casey after she became aware that Caylee was missing (and I believe she knew she was dead soon after the 911 calls).

But I do wonder if the clothes Caylee was found in -- were the same clothes from the nursing home visit.. It is all so weird to me. Cindy claims she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed that night.. that never rung true for me. Why would Cindy tuck Casey into bed? That's just weird.

jmo

funny. I looked at that video and always thought how sweet it was that Caylee was sitting with him. She looked fine to me too. I guess different people see things differently. I want to think she was sitting there with him happy. She did seem like a happy little girl from all the pics I have seen of her. Trials come and go and for most of them I forget. I don;'t think I will ever ever forget this little girl though and the sadness that this case entails. A whole family torn apart. It does play like a movie. I hope we will never see this on a big screen though.

[bhardy1956]

hmm.. I too.. have noticed.

Then ya'll "who have noticed it", feel free to ignore and scroll! This is a message board where we discuss things that some find of interest.
Thank you, and buh bye.

[Daffodil]

I am pretty sure George loved her unconditionally. He is the one suffering the most!

I go back and forth on everything in this case. But, yes, I do agree with that most times.

[SavannahStar]

My 2 cents and I know it's not worth alot but I still think Lee is the daddy and when they arrest him it will be because he had a hand in killing Caylee.

:ohmy: Wow. Just wow.

[Daffodil]

My 2 cents and I know it's not worth alot but I still think Lee is the daddy and when they arrest him it will be because he had a hand in killing Caylee.

Why do you think that?

[nana6]

ITA happy great post.

NAD so do I Willow and Happy

[gogo]

I guess we all have different opinions on how Caylee looked in that video. To me - she looked very comfortable in her great grandfathers lap. She looked like she was laying on him listening to his heartbeat.

That's what struck me as so sad about the video. She was nestled right up against him - so calm. That's just my perception though.

I don't think Cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death, although I do believe she tried to cover for Casey after she became aware that Caylee was missing (and I believe she knew she was dead soon after the 911 calls).

But I do wonder if the clothes Caylee was found in -- were the same clothes from the nursing home visit.. It is all so weird to me. Cindy claims she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed that night.. that never rung true for me. Why would Cindy tuck Casey into bed? That's just weird.

jmo
I so agree with you. thanks for posting this opinion. imo Caylee was cuddling with he papa, "are you tired papa?) I so love that video. papa 's love is so obvious, there is not one thing in that video hinting of fear. imo it would hurt ME for anyone to insinuate fear. she is cuddling with her grandma's dad, it is pure and sweet. imo also I agree Cindy had nothing to do with this horror until the day she confronted Casey. the 911 call. what I cannot understand is why did not Cindy and or George go to Fusion at closing time, to follow and or confront Casey WHERE ARE YOU STAYING , TAKE ME RIGHT THIS EFFEN MINUTE TO CAYLEE OR I WILL CALL LE. Why wait a month to find Caylee? skip the excuses, go after her. follow her. gogo

[Daffodil]

I would not, in a court of law say that "I'm scared of you" is what Caylee says, but it just sounds like it and I find it odd, but it could have been anything, as my ears don't work as good as they used to! I don't believe however that CA murdered Caylee, I believe the casey did. I do believe however that CA is covering up for casey, she and the rest of the family.

But can you see the defense throwing this out there as reasonable doubt?

[ishkabibble]

I guess we all have different opinions on how Caylee looked in that video. To me - she looked very comfortable in her great grandfathers lap. She looked like she was laying on him listening to his heartbeat.

That's what struck me as so sad about the video. She was nestled right up against him - so calm. That's just my perception though.

I don't think Cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death, although I do believe she tried to cover for Casey after she became aware that Caylee was missing (and I believe she knew she was dead soon after the 911 calls).

But I do wonder if the clothes Caylee was found in -- were the same clothes from the nursing home visit.. It is all so weird to me. Cindy claims she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed that night.. that never rung true for me. Why would Cindy tuck Casey into bed? That's just weird.

jmo

Cindy also said they went swimming after the visit, not Casey who said it was too cold, just Cindy and Caylee. that had to be fairly late in the day, why would she redress her in the same clothes from earlier and not pajamas. I have an eery feeling that Cindy and George are both telling LE about incidents or activities that occured on a different day entirely, George with what they wore on their way to work/Zanny's and Cindy with the swimming and tucking in. Whether they are deliberately lying or are confused , remember June 9 vs June 15, I don't know.

[WillowInFlight]

:ohmy: Wow. Just wow.

Thats what I'm saying. :ohmy:

[trt]

:ohmy: Wow. Just wow.

Yeah, add a WOW for me too. I am definitely no fan of the family members in this case, but I do think that CASEY ALONE was responsible for murdering Caylee. What everyone else did to cover for Casey's crime is something you and I disagree on Savannah. But not for one second do I think that Caylee was murdered at anyone's hands other than Casey. JMO

[bhardy1956]

Buh bye. Please come again soon.

I'm not leaving, I thought you were.

Last snide remark back to you, let's get back to O/T, please?

[TxLady2]

Sinister????

This whole case and most everyone involved with it is sinister!!!!


Did you listen to it?

When she has the tablecloth over her face, she is also grinning and obviously playing... so what would be the significance?

[RiverWalk]

In this video you can see Caylee's shorts with her GGF on Father's day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=807EBB5956963333&playnext=1&index=29

:(

[nana6]

I'm not leaving, I thought you were.

Last snide remark back to you, let's get back to O/T, please?

careful guys this board was down late last night and we could not talk to eachother sooooo let's agree to disagree :smile:

[Daffodil]

Cindy also said they went swimming after the visit, not Casey who said it was too cold, just Cindy and Caylee. that had to be fairly late in the day, why would she redress her in the same clothes from earlier and not pajamas. I have an eery feeling that Cindy and George are both telling LE about incidents or activities that occured on a different day entirely, George with what they wore on their way to work/Zanny's and Cindy with the swimming and tucking in. Whether they are deliberately lying or are confused , remember June 9 vs June 15, I don't know.

Good point about the change of clothes. I never thought of that before. I agree with your post. I also have wondered about the dates.

[really3997]

When she has the tablecloth over her face, she is also grinning and obviously playing... so what would be the significance?

I agree. I also don't believe when she is sitting on his lap afraid when her head is on his chest. I think she was listening to the heart beat my kids use to do this to my father all the time..

[CC I See]

I guess we all have different opinions on how Caylee looked in that video. To me - she looked very comfortable in her great grandfathers lap. She looked like she was laying on him listening to his heartbeat.

That's what struck me as so sad about the video. She was nestled right up against him - so calm. That's just my perception though.

I don't think Cindy had anything to do with Caylee's death, although I do believe she tried to cover for Casey after she became aware that Caylee was missing (and I believe she knew she was dead soon after the 911 calls).

But I do wonder if the clothes Caylee was found in -- were the same clothes from the nursing home visit.. It is all so weird to me. Cindy claims she tucked Casey and Caylee in bed that night.. that never rung true for me. Why would Cindy tuck Casey into bed? That's just weird. jmo
My honest opinion on how Caylee looked in the video is concerned and worried. It makes the pit of my stomach hurt for this darling angel. I watched it a couple of times and now must turn it off whenever it is shown.

As for tucking them in that night, I believe she tucked Caylee in but not Casey, who seemed never to sleep because whe was either texting or on the computer. Yes, I think something did happen during that night or early morning to Caylee.

[TxLady2]

Speculation on my part, but if she really was 1/2 credit shy of graduating, my guess is the credit she lacked was p.e.... I think she didn't "suit out" or "dress out" whichever they call it in her school (where you have to change into p.e. clothes) and participate.

I speculate that she was one of those girls (there's at least one in every class) that had some excuse every day as to why she couldn't play softball, basketball, run laps, or whatever physical activity was planned for the day.

I wonder if she went as far as some do and forged letters from her mom saying she was too sick to be in p.e. today....

MOO

She would not necessarily have to know she was 1/2 credit shy of graduating until the last few weeks. Sometimes a bad test score will affect your grades enough that you don't get that credit. I think she got to walk in with her class, but did not get a diploma, and went on to earn that 1/2 credit later on, if what I read awhile back is true.

[nana6]

In this video you can see Caylee's shorts with her GGF on Father's day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=807EBB5956963333&playnext=1&index=29

:(

Hi River, They look like plain white shorts to me I don't see vertical stripes do you?:confused:

[nana6]

My honest opinion on how Caylee looked in the video is concerned and worried. It makes the pit of my stomach hurt for this darling angel. I watched it a couple of times and now must turn it off whenever it is shown.

As for tucking them in that night, I believe she tucked Caylee in but not Casey, who seemed never to sleep because whe was either texting or on the computer. Yes, I think something did happen during that night or early morning to Caylee.

I agree something happend then but she was not found in jammies . I think after the fight that night Casey took Caylee out of that house in a rage imo

[jammies]

brought this over from last thread..

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 3,795

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exiled
You do realize that at some point our government stepped in and decided how we could discipline our children. Maybe the reward them for everything and don't dare spank them wasn't the most effective way with all children.




happygert posted this;

When the government starts paying for my kids clothes, food, medical, college, insurances,housing, schools, sports, band instruments cars,hair cuts, dentists, Then they can tell me how to discipline my kids.. Until then I am so tired of everyone saying they cant DISCIPLINE their own children thats a COP OUT!.. You can discipline and you can make your children behave. There's a difference between child abuse and DISCIPLINE...Thats why there is so many kids doing what the want, taking what they want, and it wasn't there's to take, and yes even commiting murders..Its not the government it's the DAM PARENTS..BLAME EVERYONE ELSE.. NO ONE TAKES RESPONSIBILTY
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my own opinions


I loved your reply, gert. My father was a teacher and he used to complain about parents back in the 70's. He saw it as quite a change from the 50's when he began teaching. Parents making nasty phone calls, running up to school when their kids got bad grades, didn't pass, etc. etc. Kids getting away with anything and everything. He saw it as the big decline in our society and now that I'm in my 50's I so "get" it.
You can just guess how it went down in OUR family when one of us came home with a bad grade and tried to blame the teacher!! lol We all only tried that ONCE!
Parents are afraid of their kids. Afraid to BE parents. Your kids aren't your "friends" until after they are married and maybe not even then, depending. They either ignore them OR run around making life too easy so they never truly GROW UP.

It's sure not the EASIEST job being a parent: knowing when to step and when to step back, I know that from experience. Yet, the one thing that COULD come out of this case is parents taking a good hard look at themselves and their parenting skills. If EVERY parent looked at this and thought "wow, that could be ME if I don't get a handle on my kids" we would be in better shape.

[trt]

My honest opinion on how Caylee looked in the video is concerned and worried. It makes the pit of my stomach hurt for this darling angel. I watched it a couple of times and now must turn it off whenever it is shown.

As for tucking them in that night, I believe she tucked Caylee in but not Casey, who seemed never to sleep because whe was either texting or on the computer. Yes, I think something did happen during that night or early morning to Caylee.

Maybe its because I have a 2 year old (almost 3), but I've seen her look just that way with members of our family that she doesn't see often. She knows that she *knows* them, but she's not real sure about whether or not she *likes* them. LOL I don't think that anything other than that was going through Caylee's little mind at the time Although, we'll never know. I just think that its a simple case of not being all that comfortable.


Yeah, after the white shorts came out in the last doc. dump, I don't think that Cindy's account of her and Caylee swimming is accurate. Unless those weren't the same pants. JMO

[RiverWalk]

Hi River, They look like plain white shorts to me I don't see vertical stripes do you?:confused:

I can't really tell.

[BrownEyedF]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."



I heard "Am I scaring you." JMO


peek-a-BOO

[SavannahStar]

I thought the board was shut due to maintenance?


It was. CW came on and mentioned that.

[aubrey04]

I so agree with you. thanks for posting this opinion. imo Caylee was cuddling with he papa, "are you tired papa?) I so love that video. papa 's love is so obvious, there is not one thing in that video hinting of fear. imo it would hurt ME for anyone to insinuate fear. she is cuddling with her grandma's dad, it is pure and sweet. imo also I agree Cindy had nothing to do with this horror until the day she confronted Casey. the 911 call. what I cannot understand is why did not Cindy and or George go to Fusion at closing time, to follow and or confront Casey WHERE ARE YOU STAYING , TAKE ME RIGHT THIS EFFEN MINUTE TO CAYLEE OR I WILL CALL LE. Why wait a month to find Caylee? skip the excuses, go after her. follow her. gogo

Oh yeah.. I can just hear Caylee's little voice saying that.. "Are you tired, papa?" -- I must have watched that video dozens of times on youtube - in addition to watching it on Nancy Grace. It is heart-breaking. I wonder if Cindy's father knows about Caylee's death.. I know he's in pretty bad shape - IIRC, in the Shirley Pleasea's letters that were part of the doc dump .. she discussed hospice in regards to Cindy's father. I know he had a stroke, which is why he's in the nursing home. I feel so sorry for Cindy's parents - what a nightmare.

I agree that something should have done sooner in regards to Caylee being missing. During George's interview with the FBI - he discussed the fact that they were already concerned about Caylee on June 24th when he caught Casey w/the gas cans. Something should have been done sooner -- to protect Caylee, but I guess it is too late now.

:(

[nana6]

I thought the board was shut due to maintenance?

Yes, I heard it was maintenance but I just don't want it down for 2 nights in a row. Sorry I did not make myself clear. I do that sometimes.

[ishkabibble]

In this video you can see Caylee's shorts with her GGF on Father's day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=807EBB5956963333&playnext=1&index=29

:(

they look white with a very fine striping of some different colors but it is only a quick glance at them, so I am not sure.

[legalmania]

In the nursing home tape, I thought Coyle said "I see you," not "I'm scared of you." This would make sense as it appears she was playing Peek-A-Boo.

She definitely said I'm scared of you, I think she was talking to the nurse,because it seems she was listening to Caylee sing and that's when she got shy.

[i_pickle]

Yeah, it does look cheaply made. Like you could throw it together in 5 - 10 mins. Casey could probably start making these from her jail cell -- excuse me dorm room -- and sell 'em.

96 bucks for that? really? I guess there is a market for anyhing and everything. I am in the wrong line of work apparently.Yeah, me too. My nephew makes good money on e-bay...selling sports memorabialia...swears by it.

I don't have the time but I'm tempted when I hear him talk about it. I have an attic full of stuff...

[eagleeer]

I thought the board was shut due to maintenance?

Must have been because I couldn't get on the whole site. Nothing worked.

[RiverWalk]

they look white with a very fine striping of some different colors but it is only a quick glance at them, so I am not sure.

I keep trying to get a screen shot at 1:31 and am failing. :cursing:

Anyone want to give it a try????

ETA link again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=807EBB5956963333&playnext=1&index=29

[CC I See]

I agree something happend then but she was not found in jammies . I think after the fight that night Casey took Caylee out of that house in a rage imo

... I thought of that too, but also thought that she was without shoes and maybe since she just had shorts and shirt on that they may have put her to bed wearing them instead of putting on PJs. Not all parents put PJs on if what the child is wearing is comfortable (stretchy) Also, if she was really sleepy, they may have not wanted to wake her to change her clothes. She did have a big day and was probably tired. I too would be most interested if the clothes they found with her remains were the same as what was in the video.

[AbbyNormal]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????Wow. Good find! (Sorry, don't know the answers to your questions)

[5boxersmom]

So if those are the same shorts little Caylee was found in and there was no underwear or pull up. I wonder if Caylee maybe had an accident and Cindy didn't have a pull up with her. So she took the dirty one off and just pulled up the shorts until they got home. Then something happen at home before she was changed or bathed?

jmo

[nana6]

/I] I have a question. What is the little circle next to our names mean? Some a red some green and some no color.

[i_pickle]

funny. I looked at that video and always thought how sweet it was that Caylee was sitting with him. She looked fine to me too. I guess different people see things differently. I want to think she was sitting there with him happy. She did seem like a happy little girl from all the pics I have seen of her. Trials come and go and for most of them I forget. I don;'t think I will ever ever forget this little girl though and the sadness that this case entails. A whole family torn apart. It does play like a movie. I hope we will never see this on a big screen though.It's funny how different people see different things. Everytime I watched that video I thought she was clinging to the great grandfather and looked unhappy with whoever was behind the camera (Cindy) That struck me right away but I also thought maybe she was just tired.

If she witnessed Casey, Cindy and George going at one another, as it seems they did, it's not surprising that she would be scared of all of them, imo.

[Daffodil]

Wow. Good find! (Sorry, don't know the answers to your questions)

Yeah, either do I!!!

[Daffodil]

So if those are the same shorts little Caylee was found in and there was no underwear or pull up. I wonder if Caylee maybe had an accident and Cindy didn't have a pull up with her. So she took the dirty one off and just pulled up the shorts until they got home. Then something happen at home before she was changed or bathed?

jmo

Good point.

[bhardy1956]

She definitely said I'm scared of you, I think she was talking to the nurse,because it seems she was listening to Caylee sing and that's when she got shy.

That makes total sense and that answers my question on it being odd that she said that. I still think that she was a little uncomfortable with her great grandfather, but I think that is just normal, if she didn't see him often.
I will have to take a look at the shorts and form an opinion, but I do believe, IMO that Caylee was taken by casey on the night of Fathers Day, whether that is when she murdered her or the next day, I will have to wait and see, once all the evidence is out.

[joint-heir]

It's really funny the way we have different perceptions about things. The video with Caylee and her great grandfather for instance. Have heard so many say she looked scared. My children had a little apprehension to the great grandparents when they were small. But my perception of Caylee was that she was handling it with ease and I had to admire whoever had the most influence with her.

And stumbled thru a lot of posts this morning about what was said in the latest documents. Seems to me that it would be quite simple if there is conflict, to type out the reference and let that be the end of it.(which I think was finally done!) We do come on to exchange info and do want it to be accurate, do we not? But I know it's not kosher to suggest any thing on this forum, so far be it from me!! lol

Anyone discussed Greta from last night? I was so disappointed in Mark Fuhrman's information! Such simple things that anyone could have figured out, takes an investigator to pick up? The color of the closure handles on plastic bags and that the fabric softener was put in to try and disguise smell??? One other thing can't remember what it was. Was so hoping he would have some interesting tidbits to add to our info. I did skim thru a lot of posts this morning.

[SavannahStar]

Maybe its because I have a 2 year old (almost 3), but I've seen her look just that way with members of our family that she doesn't see often. She knows that she *knows* them, but she's not real sure about whether or not she *likes* them. LOL I don't think that anything other than that was going through Caylee's little mind at the time Although, we'll never know. I just think that its a simple case of not being all that comfortable.


Yeah, after the white shorts came out in the last doc. dump, I don't think that Cindy's account of her and Caylee swimming is accurate. Unless those weren't the same pants. JMO

bolding mine

Maybe Cindy's account was accurate....maybe our speculation on when Casey was killed is not correct.

[aubrey04]

Cindy also said they went swimming after the visit, not Casey who said it was too cold, just Cindy and Caylee. that had to be fairly late in the day, why would she redress her in the same clothes from earlier and not pajamas. I have an eery feeling that Cindy and George are both telling LE about incidents or activities that occured on a different day entirely, George with what they wore on their way to work/Zanny's and Cindy with the swimming and tucking in. Whether they are deliberately lying or are confused , remember June 9 vs June 15, I don't know.

well, I guess we don't know whether Caylee was in the same clothes from the nursing home visit.. The reports just state she was in a 3T sized t-shirt and (IIRC) 24 months old white vertical striped shorts. There was no mention of the color of the shirt in the report I read.

I would really like to know for sure what color the shirt was and I can't tell whether the shorts in that nursing home video have stripes or not.

You're right.. It is strange how the dates/events and timeline are so different between Cindy, George and Lee.. but I do know that Casey was on the phone late on June 15th and I believe her cellphone pings place her @ the Anthony home.. which makes me think that Caylee was still alive at that point.

It's so hard to get to the truth in this case. There have been so many lies by so many people that it has become such a muddy mess.

jmo

[Daffodil]

/I] I have a question. What is the little circle next to our names mean? Some a red some green and some no color.

I think the green means that person is online right now. I think the blue means they are off line. Not sure about red.

[AbbyNormal]

Do you all think she said that to Cindy or Cindy's father whom they were visiting? Sometimes small children are a little shy around the elderly I have noticed that.My guess is she said it to Cindy.

The part of the Father's day video where Caylee is sitting on her great grandfather's lap, she looks afraid of whoever is holding the camera -- Cindy.

[i_pickle]

Its okay. But if the board does get shut down again, it won't be because of me. : )I read a message from CW this morning that it was shut down for maintenance. I think it's in Part 1 of today's threads.

It wasn't because of anyone.

[nana6]

I think the green means that person is online right now. I think the blue means they are off line. Not sure about red.

thank you Daff I always wondered

[destiny1]

It's funny how different people see different things. Everytime I watched that video I thought she was clinging to the great grandfather and looked unhappy with whoever was behind the camera (Cindy) That struck me right away but I also thought maybe she was just tired.

If she witnessed Casey, Cindy and George going at one another, as it seems they did, it's not surprising that she would be scared of all of them, imo.

I believe that Casey murdered her based on what little evidence we have seen as of yet, but I hate to admit that the possibility of a fight taking place and Caylee being caught in the middle, and possibly sufocated or some other injury that wouldn't necessarily have left any evidence verifiable on what was left of her remains. It does seem that as of right now, Cindy was officially the last person to be seen with her.

Lots of questions, and sadly we might not really want to know the answers.

[Dtviewer3]

But can you see the defense throwing this out there as reasonable doubt?

No. The key word being 'reasonable'.

It isnt........

[trt]

bolding mine

Maybe Cindy's account was accurate....maybe our speculation on when Casey was killed is not correct.

Its also when LE thinks she was killed as well, and I imagine they have more information than we do. If Caylee had on the same clothes that she had in the video with GGF, then Cindy's account is NOT accurate. I never believed it anyway, or George's account of when he last saw them. But it seems that the evidence is shaping up just that way. We shall see.

JMO

[Daffodil]

It's really funny the way we have different perceptions about things. The video with Caylee and her great grandfather for instance. Have heard so many say she looked scared. My children had a little apprehension to the great grandparents when they were small. But my perception of Caylee was that she was handling it with ease and I had to admire whoever had the most influence with her.

And stumbled thru a lot of posts this morning about what was said in the latest documents. Seems to me that it would be quite simple if there is conflict, to type out the reference and let that be the end of it.(which I think was finally done!) We do come on to exchange info and do want it to be accurate, do we not? But I know it's not kosher to suggest any thing on this forum, so far be it from me!! lol

Anyone discussed Greta from last night? I was so disappointed in Mark Fuhrman's information! Such simple things that anyone could have figured out, takes an investigator to pick up? The color of the closure handles on plastic bags and that the fabric softener was put in to try and disguise smell??? One other thing can't remember what it was. Was so hoping he would have some interesting tidbits to add to our info. I did skim thru a lot of posts this morning.

I also felt the same way about Mark Furhman. But he did confirm to me that the dryer sheets were thrown in there to mask the smell, rather than some used ones. I don't think I explained that very well, but hope you understand. He is supposed to be on Greta tonight.

[nana6]

Thank you all for responding to my question about the colors but I do not want to get thrown off for being OT so forget me for now Thanks anyway:smile:

[AbbyNormal]

Where did the story come from about one of Casey's friends having Chloroform that they used on the animals for operations instead of taking them to the vets? Anyone remember that?

jmoI remember reading that (somewhere), but CRS about what forum it was on or if it was de-bunked as rumor or not.

[ConchGirl]

Someone clarify this for me....biaz wants the prosecutor removed because he thinks the prosecutor is leaking things that make him look like a dufus in the media? (does he really need any help with that?) He's upset that he has been reported and should be investigated because of his possible media deals? Um... Isn't this supposed to be about his client. Is this another whinefest from biaz because we're laughing at him? What is wrong with this guy? Why would he care about what is being said if he's merely just doing his job and nothing unethical? Thomas Messerou should really try to talk to this nutjob about how to act in high profile cases. What an ego.
Too bad, soo sad.

IMO Baez is just as immature and childish as Casey. Guess what Jose it's not all about you. This is a very serious crime your client is charged with and you need to get busy and stop worrying about yourself and start worrying about your client. Once she is sentenced to LWOP you will be a talking head and she will be fighting off Big Bertha. :cursing:

[TxLady2]

Happygert posted this;

when the government starts paying for my kids clothes, food, medical, college, insurances,housing, schools, sports, band instruments cars,hair cuts, dentists, then they can tell me how to discipline my kids.. Until then i am so tired of everyone saying they cant discipline their own children thats a cop out!.. You can discipline and you can make your children behave. There's a difference between child abuse and discipline...thats why there is so many kids doing what the want, taking what they want, and it wasn't there's to take, and yes even commiting murders..its not the government it's the dam parents..blame everyone else.. No one takes responsibilty

end quote

I agree with this statement, HOWEVER... there are cases sometimes where the evidence of child abuse is cloudy, and good parents get kids taken away from them because of over-zealous child protection agents who completely misread the information. Maybe a child has a couple bruises on his/her body from an accident which all kids have at one time or another... the nosy neighbor calls the child abuse hotline and someone comes to check it out, and sees those bruises and the whole thing blows out of proportion after that. Or a child goes to school and says, "my mom or my dad beat me because...." and some teacher hears it and follows up on it.
There are a lot of things that come to play in these cases but suffice it to say, there are lots of kids taken away from homes, and some that were uncalled for. And there are children who are never followed up on, that end up dying because nothing was done in time.
I agree that there is a HUGE difference in discipline and child abuse. But not every case worker and every judge is going to pay any attention to the difference, every time.

[WillowInFlight]

IMO Baez is just as immature and childish as Casey. Guess what Jose it's not all about you. This is a very serious crime your client is charged with and you need to get busy and stop worrying about yourself and start worrying about your client. Once she is sentenced to LWOP you will be a talking head and she will be fighting off Big Bertha. :cursing:

I think Baez is going to learn the hard way.

[bhardy1956]

I believe that Casey murdered her based on what little evidence we have seen as of yet, but I hate to admit that the possibility of a fight taking place and Caylee being caught in the middle, and possibly sufocated or some other injury that wouldn't necessarily have left any evidence verifiable on what was left of her remains. It does seem that as of right now, Cindy was officially the last person to be seen with her.

Lots of questions, and sadly we might not really want to know the
answers.

Actually, by George's statement he was the last to see Caylee. But, you then can say casey was the last to see her, because George said he saw them together. Now, I don't believe George, but I do believe Caylee was with casey and left, because of the "fight" that was heard by the neighbor. So, IMO, casey was the last to be and see Caylee.
Does MO make sense?? I think I just confused myself!! :lol:

[jammies]

I think Baez is going to learn the hard way.



Hopefully his "learning" will begin this Fri. at 8:30AM!

[joint-heir]

Two other things... Docs didn't say what color the top was that was found with Caylee. Makes us wonder, on purpose or was it muddied up maybe that they couldn't tell.? Also, she could have spilled something on the blue one on the 15th and Cindy put another one on her upon coming home. And they still could be the clothes she wore on that day that she was found in. I tend to think she was taken out of house before getting ready for bed with pjs by an angry Casey.

Also on the diaper(pull-ups), gross, but do you think she had soiled them and these were taken out by animals because of the smell (they seem to love)! Don't think there would have been much left of them after an animal and water and natural erosion before the remains were found.?? I do feel she would have had one on.

Mike is on Prime news talking about case...

[Motomom]

... I thought of that too, but also thought that she was without shoes and maybe since she just had shorts and shirt on that they may have put her to bed wearing them instead of putting on PJs. Not all parents put PJs on if what the child is wearing is comfortable (stretchy) Also, if she was really sleepy, they may have not wanted to wake her to change her clothes. She did have a big day and was probably tired. I too would be most interested if the clothes they found with her remains were the same as what was in the video.

Yes but no panties were found with her body, unless they did not release that info. I can see Casey putting her shorts on her with no panties, but not CA. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

If God forbid there is a mistrial, or they win an appeal, could Baez defend the second trial?

[legalmania]

It was. CW came on and mentioned that.

CW also mentioned to stop playing with the fonts and people continue to do so. So just be careful.

[Cinsd]

Do you all think she said that to Cindy or Cindy's father whom they were visiting? Sometimes small children are a little shy around the elderly I have noticed that.


No, I think she may have been saying to the lady who was asking her if she was going to be a singer like Brittney.

[i_pickle]

I believe that Casey murdered her based on what little evidence we have seen as of yet, but I hate to admit that the possibility of a fight taking place and Caylee being caught in the middle, and possibly sufocated or some other injury that wouldn't necessarily have left any evidence verifiable on what was left of her remains. It does seem that as of right now, Cindy was officially the last person to be seen with her.

Lots of questions, and sadly we might not really want to know the answers.I agree, it does look as though Casey did it from what we know.

That is the last known video and from what I've read I assumed that Cindy returned home with Caylee after the visit with ggpa and confronted Casey about stealing money from the ggparents account. A fight ensued and Casey left with Caylee. I don't believe GA's account of the 16th...it just seems too pat and rehearsed...too detailed account of what they were wearing etc. He's a terrible liar, imo, and I think his statement was contrived.

I hope that the blanks are filled in at trial. We don't know what happened that night and the A's sure aren't going to tell the truth.

[happygert]

I am happy your experience with raising your perfect children has been so pleasant and without tribulations.

UMMM did I miss something ? did i say my kids were perfect? Please show me where I said that. Every Child has to be disciplined I'm sorry that you dont use discipline on yours...Umm I wouldn't want mine to grow up to be thugs and gang members...or worse like casey..

Now my kids did learn there was consequences to their actions...So you'd better believe they didn't want the consequences...1``day grounding from everything but there light in room for every minute late..meaning no phone, no radio,no car,(when they were old enough to drive), no school activities, no friends over, no TV, no nintendo, no games what so ever, NOTHING BUT THEIR SCHOOL BOOKS and their room...Same thing for detention's Needless to say daughter only had one detention, 30 days grounding for her was enough and she got that in 3rd grade..NOT ANOTHER FOR REST OF YEARS IN SCHOOL!
Last 9 weeks of school when she was in 6 grade her grades dropped when I talked to her about it... The response I got was well its close to summer and I was thinking about that.. I guess you could call it spring fever MOM... I said well that's fine.. and since you goofed off for 9 weeks before school was out then 9 weeks of your summer belongs to me.... Well that taught her another lesson.. EVERYTHING YOU DO HAS CONQUENCES!...

So , IF CA and GA would have given casey consequences to her actions and not let her get by with everything and cover for her...Caylee may not be dead...


If my kids ever TALKED TO ME LIKE CASEY DID... IM afraid they'd be calling DR to remove their teeth and a DENTIST to replace them..
I taught my kids to respect others..

TOO bad casey wasn't taught morals manners and respect... casey and the A's believe everyone owes them something and they are above all the laws.. IMO....They act like the little gang bangers, who take what they want when they want,, Do what they want and have no consequences to their actions. They all Tell lies as easily as I breath...Children learn what the live...And IMO casey was taught well.. She had very good role models..They set a fine example!....jmho..

[TxLady2]

I so agree with you. thanks for posting this opinion. imo Caylee was cuddling with he papa, "are you tired papa?) I so love that video. papa 's love is so obvious, there is not one thing in that video hinting of fear. imo it would hurt ME for anyone to insinuate fear. she is cuddling with her grandma's dad, it is pure and sweet. imo also I agree Cindy had nothing to do with this horror until the day she confronted Casey. the 911 call. what I cannot understand is why did not Cindy and or George go to Fusion at closing time, to follow and or confront Casey WHERE ARE YOU STAYING , TAKE ME RIGHT THIS EFFEN MINUTE TO CAYLEE OR I WILL CALL LE. Why wait a month to find Caylee? skip the excuses, go after her. follow her. gogo

Hi, GOGO, I guess there could be reasons but if the prosecution is right, it would have been too late anyway, Caylee was already dead by June 16.
But I agree, I've watched that video a lot of times and I just don't see any fear on Caylee's face at all. I've seen some posters try to find a sinister meaning in everything, particularly pictures of Caylee when she is not smiling and happy. All children do not smile all the time. I've got pictures of my babies when they had been crying! Doesn't mean a thing, children are not always happy, there are bound to be sad times. It does not mean the child had any perception that their little lives are about to end. Kids don't think like that! And I do not think Cindy would have EVER done any harm to Caylee!

[legalmania]

If God forbid there is a mistrial, or they win an appeal, could Baez defend the second trial?

I'm just want to clear that up a little, if the prosecution wants to retry the case then they get a retrial not an appeal. If the prosecution doesn't want to retry her she walks. Baez can defend her with a retrail or appeal but an appeal is very hard.

[ConchGirl]

I think Baez is going to learn the hard way.
As much as I despise Casey I really think it's time for Baez to removed from her case. I'm tired of his "on the job training" with her life on the line. If she is innocent as he says, she should hold her head up high and be involved in her court hearings. IMO he has been too busy trying to make a name for his hispanic self at her expense. It is so clear in ALL of his court appearances he is being schooled. His ego has no end.

[AbbyNormal]

I agree something happend then but she was not found in jammies . I think after the fight that night Casey took Caylee out of that house in a rage imoI don't think Caylee ever left that house alive. jmo

[Reenbean]

IMO Baez is just as immature and childish as Casey. Guess what Jose it's not all about you. This is a very serious crime your client is charged with and you need to get busy and stop worrying about yourself and start worrying about your client. Once she is sentenced to LWOP you will be a talking head and she will be fighting off Big Bertha. :cursing:

I totally agree about Baez. I didn't like him from the get-go, but as soon as he made that ridiculous statement playing HIS race card, that was it for me. He totally lacks experience for such a high-profile, possibly DP case. And sadly this paves the way for Casey's appeal, if she's convicted of course. This whole thing is so far from over. :sad:

[Motomom]

Hi, GOGO, I guess there could be reasons but if the prosecution is right, it would have been too late anyway, Caylee was already dead by June 16.
But I agree, I've watched that video a lot of times and I just don't see any fear on Caylee's face at all. I've seen some posters try to find a sinister meaning in everything, particularly pictures of Caylee when she is not smiling and happy. All children do not smile all the time. I've got pictures of my babies when they had been crying! Doesn't mean a thing, children are not always happy, there are bound to be sad times. It does not mean the child had any perception that their little lives are about to end. Kids don't think like that! And I do not think Cindy would have EVER done any harm to Caylee!


I agree with you TX with this. I'm not sure if people WANT to find something sinister or if their minds just work that way.. for example.. I have many people labeled as sociopaths because of what I read: (I think I'm mostly right though LOL ) I think it's just a way to try to understand why Casey did what she did, or the disfunciton in the family..or who knows. Caylee looks like a normal child, in her pictures, they show alot of spunk and character IMO.

[nichi7272]

I do not get to post often. But I thought about what i_pickle said about different people seeing different things. In the case of the chloroform, I do not think it was a coincedence. I think Casey saw the picture on RM's computer and she followed through on her own from there. IMO, she used him just like she used all her others friends.

Sorry if I misspelled anything.

[Unperson1984]

Actually, by George's statement he was the last to see Caylee. But, you then can say casey was the last to see her, because George said he saw them together. Now, I don't believe George, but I do believe Caylee was with casey and left, because of the "fight" that was heard by the neighbor. So, IMO, casey was the last to be and see Caylee.
Does MO make sense?? I think I just confused myself!! :lol:

I do believe George and I think LE does too. That's why he was called to testify in front of the Grand Jury.

[CC I See]

I don't think Caylee ever left that house alive. jmo... and sadly, I think you are right, that is why LE called the house a Crime Scene.

[Daffodil]

I totally agree about Baez. I didn't like him from the get-go, but as soon as he made that ridiculous statement playing HIS race card, that was it for me. He totally lacks experience for such a high-profile, possibly DP case. And sadly this paves the way for Casey's appeal, if she's convicted of course. This whole thing is so far from over. :sad:

What about when the reporter asked him what he was doing visiting with Casey until midnight? He smirked and said "How do you know that?" Like he was caught. Like this is all just a game to him.

[IM4Truth]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????

No, I dont hear anything even near "I'm scared of you" in that tape. No, the fight didn't happen until AFTER Cindy got home from the nursing home when she found out about the money. No, Cindy was not the last person to be seen with Caylee. No, no one else killed Caylee but Casey.

[Motomom]

I do not get to post often. But I thought about what i_pickle said about different people seeing different things. In the case of the chloroform, I do not think it was a coincedence. I think Casey saw the picture on RM's computer and she followed through on her own from there. IMO, she used him just like she used all her others friends.

Sorry if I misspelled anything.


I think you are right. There's the connection IMO. She saw that on his myspace and thought.. hmm cholorform. I don't think he thought anything was wrong with the picture and I know that alot of younger people would think the same..and older ones to boot IMO. The picture was posted to be funny IMO..some people don't find humor easily, others do.. like me :) I feel bad for him though.

[Libertie]

I listened to the tape and it sure did sound like she said "I scared of you", but that could be my imagination. It could be anything I guess. Anyone else want a go at it???I listened to it and heard "I scared of you", too, but I think she was playing. She looked like she was having fun, but a little shy. Adorable little girl. Tragic.

[joolz]

CW also mentioned to stop playing with the fonts and people continue to do so. So just be careful.

??? What does that mean? No colors, no underlining, no bolding? TIA

[IM4Truth]

Sinister????

This whole case and most everyone involved with it is sinister!!!!


Did you listen to it?

I listened to it and she is still singing, in one part she is saying "shunshin, shunsine", hmm, maybe that does sound like I'm scared of you.

[Motomom]

... and sadly, I think you are right, that is why LE called the house a Crime Scene.

Do you think that maybe after the big fight, Casey left that night without Caylee? Maybe after everyone went to sleep, she snuck in and snagged her from her bed? using the ducttape to keep her quiet?

[jammies]

I don't think Caylee ever left that house alive. jmo


I am leaning that direction also, Abby.

[CANDYKISSES]

Thats what I'm saying. :ohmy:

:ohmy:

:ohmy:

Anything other than Cay + Lee = Caylee, or is that enough?

Did someone put something in the air today?

[WillowInFlight]

I'm just want to clear that up a little, if the prosecution wants to retry the case then they get a retrial not an appeal. If the prosecution doesn't want to retry her she walks. Baez can defend her with a retrail or appeal but an appeal is very hard.

Thanks hon:wub:

[IM4Truth]

I hear her say it too, but I too think it is a little game she is playing. She seems fine and not scared at all. Just a happy little girl. IMO

You all must have another sound with your tape than I do with mine. She just breaks up singing her song. Nothing at all about being scared.

[jammies]

... and sadly, I think you are right, that is why LE called the house a Crime Scene.


Yes. I was taken aback by that. They KNOW she was killed at home.

[happygert]

bolding mine

Maybe Cindy's account was accurate....maybe our speculation on when Casey was killed is not correct.

casey's still alive....ga and casey said she had pink top on guess cindy wasn't in on the clothes story.....and Caylee had blue shirt on......

[Janz]

I think you are right. There's the connection IMO. She saw that on his myspace and thought.. hmm cholorform. I don't think he thought anything was wrong with the picture and I know that alot of younger people would think the same..and older ones to boot IMO. The picture was posted to be funny IMO..some people don't find humor easily, others do.. like me :) I feel bad for him though.

Yep, I agree about RM. Lots of people post things on myspace,especially young ones, and I am sure he regrets this, cause as I said on the previous thread, defense will try to throw him under the bus. I feel really bad for all the young people who were ever involved with Casey or her family.

[IM4Truth]

Who really knows? Maybe it started before they went to the nursing home.

So you think it started before Cindy got to the nursing home and found out the bill wasn't paid. Don't tell me Cindy is one of those psychics!

[summer4meplz]

Watch the following clip:

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At :20, Caylee has the tablecloth up over her eyes. If you listen carefully, she is saying "I'm scared of you."

Could she be saying this because the big fight on that day had already taken place?

If you think about it, Cindy is really the last person to be seen with Caylee.

I wonder what Cindy was wearing that day.

I hate to think about this because I think it would be helpful to the defense.

But still, even if someone else killed Caylee.....how Casey have no emotions????


I'd never heard that until today although I had seen others talk about it.....is she talking to cindy or greatgrandpa? she was hiding while she said it.....I'm betting she's talking to cindy.....I think that's another big reason Caylee was killed when she was killed.....no one could have her talking.....imo

[ConchGirl]

UMMM did I miss something ? did i say my kids were perfect? Please show me where I said that. Every Child has to be disciplined I'm sorry that you dont use discipline on yours...Umm I wouldn't want mine to grow up to be thugs and gang members...or worse like casey..

Now my kids did learn there was consequences to their actions...So you'd better believe they didn't want the consequences...1``day grounding from everything but there light in room for every minute late..meaning no phone, no radio,no car,(when they were old enough to drive), no school activities, no friends over, no TV, no nintendo, no games what so ever, NOTHING BUT THEIR SCHOOL BOOKS and their room...Same thing for detention's Needless to say daughter only had one detention, 30 days grounding for her was enough and she got that in 3rd grade..NOT ANOTHER FOR REST OF YEARS IN SCHOOL!
Last 9 weeks of school when she was in 6 grade her grades dropped when I talked to her about it... The response I got was well its close to summer and I was thinking about that.. I guess you could call it spring fever MOM... I said well that's fine.. and since you goofed off for 9 weeks before school was out then 9 weeks of your summer belongs to me.... Well that taught her another lesson.. EVERYTHING YOU DO HAS CONQUENCES!...

So , IF CA and GA would have given casey consequences to her actions and not let her get by with everything and cover for her...Caylee may not be dead...


If my kids ever TALKED TO ME LIKE CASEY DID... IM afraid they'd be calling DR to remove their teeth and a DENTIST to replace them..
I taught my kids to respect others..

TOO bad casey wasn't taught morals manners and respect... casey and the A's believe everyone owes them something and they are above all the laws.. IMO....They act like the little gang bangers, who take what they want when they want,, Do what they want and have no consequences to their actions. They all Tell lies as easily as I breath...Children learn what the live...And IMO casey was taught well.. She had very good role models..They set a fine example!....jmho..

Right on Happy. If more parents were like you the world would be a much better place. I can't imagine ever talking to my parents that way and my kids don't even have the guts to try it once. Kids will always test the waters to see what they can get away with and if the parents allow bad behavior you can bet that it will continue. As someone said earlier small problems not corrected can turn in to VERY big problems. As Dr. Phil would say to Cindy, "how did that work out for you?"

[legalmania]

??? What does that mean? No colors, no underlining, no bolding? TIA

Yes basically was talking about colors she said it was childish. I would pm her and ask to be sure.

[CC I See]

Do you think that maybe after the big fight, Casey left that night without Caylee? Maybe after everyone went to sleep, she snuck in and snagged her from her bed? using the ducttape to keep her quiet? Now, that is an excellent theory that I have not seen discussed. It could have happened that way....yes.

[~tj~]

You all must have another sound with your tape than I do with mine. She just breaks up singing her song. Nothing at all about being scared.
Could you please tell me what link???? TIA!!

[summer4meplz]

Must we read something sinister in everything???? JMO

well...considering the little girl was murdered a few hours after that video......it seems sinister to me.....

[Daffodil]

Yes. I was taken aback by that. They KNOW she was killed at home.

If the house was considered a crime scene and the dogs hit on a couple of spots, why wasn't that house scoured for evidence? Why wasn't everything ripped apart looking for clues?

[joolz]

Yes basically was talking about colors she said it was childish. I would pm her and ask to be sure.


Thanks. It doesn't matter to me so no reason to pm her about it. :smile:

[AbbyNormal]

No, I dont hear anything even near "I'm scared of you" in that tape. No, the fight didn't happen until AFTER Cindy got home from the nursing home when she found out about the money. No, Cindy was not the last person to be seen with Caylee. No, no one else killed Caylee but Casey.
Cindy was the last person that can be proven to be with Caylee, because of the video tape.

[Daffodil]

So you think it started before Cindy got to the nursing home and found out the bill wasn't paid. Don't tell me Cindy is one of those psychics!

I'm just saying that's a possibility that the argument started before Cindy and Caylee went to see ggf. How she found out about the money, I really don't know. I don't remember reading that anywhere. Did you read that anywhere? If so, could you provide me with a link. Not that I don't believe you, just that I must have just skpped over it.

[CANDYKISSES]

careful guys this board was down late last night and we could not talk to eachother sooooo let's agree to disagree :smile:

Can you agree the SITE WAS SHUT DOWN due to MAINTENANCE? That is what the moderator has indicated. :smile:

[WillowInFlight]

If the house was considered a crime scene and the dogs hit on a couple of spots, why wasn't that house scoured for evidence? Why wasn't everything ripped apart looking for clues?

I think they went over the house pretty good, remember when they went in a blacked out all the windows, I think they might have been looking for blood.

[legalmania]

Could you please tell me what link???? TIA!!
go up to post #173 it's around 20 sec in.

[Daffodil]

I'd never heard that until today although I had seen others talk about it.....is she talking to cindy or greatgrandpa? she was hiding while she said it.....I'm betting she's talking to cindy.....I think that's another big reason Caylee was killed when she was killed.....no one could have her talking.....imo

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying when you say "I think that 's another big reason Caylee was killed ......no one could have her talking"? Do you mean she was a witness to something illegal?

[jammies]

If the house was considered a crime scene and the dogs hit on a couple of spots, why wasn't that house scoured for evidence? Why wasn't everything ripped apart looking for clues?



I don't remember offhand how many times they searched the house. It was just since Caylee's body was found that they referred to the home as the "crime scene". So, SOMETHING showed up at the burial site (using that loosely) that directly connected back to the home.

[CC I See]

Must we read something sinister in everything???? JMO..... some of us do not have a choice in how we feel when we watch this video, it is a reaction that we are discussing. It has nothing to do with making ourselves read something sinister, at all. It is an honest reaction to it.

[i_pickle]

well...considering the little girl was murdered a few hours after that video......it seems sinister to me.....And considering this is a message board to discuss the case, which is what we're doing, I don't see what the complaint is. :bored:

Everyone has a right to their opinions and observations, after all.

[Motomom]

Now, that is an excellent theory that I have not seen discussed. It could have happened that way....yes.

It had just popped into my head. We know..or should I say alot of us believe that GA's account of the last time he saw them doesn't seem to add up. CA never saw them that morning, and claims they were sleeping. Maybe GA never saw them either. I'd like to see the phone records for that day. I"m curious as to what calls were made bright and early on the 16th. How irresponsible would be it be to lose your grandchild, and not call 911? I'm sorry, I'm trying to put it into words..Casey and CA were fighting.. she may have stormed outta there, CA may have said she wasn't taken Caylee..who knows. I don't think we'll ever hear the truth in regards to that fight..or much else LOL. BUT if she left, then what CA says is true, that she tucked her into bed..shut the door..and Casey could have easily snuck back in..with the thoughts that who are you to tell me I can't have MY KID.. or well if I can't have her..neither will you.

[TxLady2]

I agree with you TX with this. I'm not sure if people WANT to find something sinister or if their minds just work that way.. for example.. I have many people labeled as sociopaths because of what I read: (I think I'm mostly right though LOL ) I think it's just a way to try to understand why Casey did what she did, or the disfunciton in the family..or who knows. Caylee looks like a normal child, in her pictures, they show alot of spunk and character IMO.

Thanks. I don't think any of us can ever find any logic or reason in why Casey killed Caylee. It's just inconceivable to me that a mother would hurt her child deliberately, and that's why I keep leaning toward it being an accident. But we are reasonable people... we don't think like she does. Yes, the family might be dysfunctional... but we only see them through the media, and after this horrible tragedy came to light. Maybe they were pretty normal before this happened, and probably had no idea that Casey was unstable. I would bet that Cindy wore blinders where Casey was concerned though... many mothers can't or won't see the problems with their daughters (or sons!) until it is too late. Common sense tells me that if either of them had had any suspicion this would happen, they would have taken steps to prevent it. But the sad part is... they did not have a clue!

[Motomom]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying when you say "I think that 's another big reason Caylee was killed ......no one could have her talking"? Do you mean she was a witness to something illegal?

I took it to mean, Casey couldn't have her talking. Who knows what that little girl saw when she was with Casey.

[bhardy1956]

Do you think that maybe after the big fight, Casey left that night without Caylee? Maybe after everyone went to sleep, she snuck in and snagged her from her bed? using the ducttape to keep her quiet?

It's funny that you posted this, because I was thinking, if a fight incurred, then I can see casey leaving mad, and leaving Caylee with CA. Now, the rest of you post, I don't know. She could have very well come home late, but the next day after everyone left for work...her evil plan was put into action. I really don't think she come home late and ducted taped Caylee, and did her in then....but, this case doesn't make sense now anyway, hopefully in trial, a lot more will come out that does make sense.

[AbbyNormal]

Do you think that maybe after the big fight, Casey left that night without Caylee? Maybe after everyone went to sleep, she snuck in and snagged her from her bed? using the ducttape to keep her quiet?It will be interesting if there are any other fingerprints found on the duct tape besides Casey's. I believe Casey moved Caylee's body. I am still on the fence as to who murdered that poor baby. jmo

[happygert]

Right on Happy. If more parents were like you the world would be a much better place. I can't imagine ever talking to my parents that way and my kids don't even have the guts to try it once. Kids will always test the waters to see what they can get away with and if the parents allow bad behavior you can bet that it will continue. As someone said earlier small problems not corrected can turn in to VERY big problems. As Dr. Phil would say to Cindy, "how did that work out for you?"

They sure do all kids test to see how far they can get.. Once they figure out you mean what you say, and you say what you mean.. It kind of makes them think twice.
Yes ITA if they get by with small things they just get into bigger things.. My daughter once said to me my 10 year old cousin gets to stay out longer does more then I get to do.. I said yes But i'm not his mother.. And if someone knocked on my door wanting to know where you were on such and such day .. I could tell them exactly where you were...

TOO bad GA and CA didnt nip casey's lying and stealing in the butt from get go..
I seen no discipline where casey was concerned at all .. I all see is a spoiled brat who got by with everything and mommy and daddy covering for her and bailing her out of trouble all the time.
So there is ways you can discipline without abuse... Take away what they like to do.. The old govenrment thing doesnt work for me... IMO It's easier to let kids do want they want then to teach them right from wrong....

[Daffodil]

Cindy was the last person that can be proven to be with Caylee, because of the video tape.

That is correct as far as what we have read from the docs and discounting any of the A's statements. It is the last time someone other than family members saw Caylee alive.

[IM4Truth]

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html

At that exact time she is still singing and the words when she has the tablecloth up at :20 are "when skies are gray". Other than that, think I'll take a break from the board tonight.

[ConchGirl]

Do you think that maybe after the big fight, Casey left that night without Caylee? Maybe after everyone went to sleep, she snuck in and snagged her from her bed? using the ducttape to keep her quiet?

That is possible but I could move my children to China when they were sleeping and I wouldn't need duct tape to keep them quiet. I might add I didn't need to drug them.

[AbbyNormal]

I am leaning that direction also, Abby.
Poor baby, she never had a chance in that house.

[Daffodil]

I think they went over the house pretty good, remember when they went in a blacked out all the windows, I think they might have been looking for blood.

Thank you. Completely forgot about that. Did they take any of Casey's clothes out at that time?

[summer4meplz]

My guess is she said it to Cindy.

The part of the Father's day video where Caylee is sitting on her great grandfather's lap, she looks afraid of whoever is holding the camera -- Cindy.


I'm still a couple of pages behind......but catching up.....just because Caylee is scared of grandma cindy doesn't mean grandma cindy killed her.......she has probably seen grandma and mommy fight terribly in her short little life.....and God only knows what casey told Caylee about her grandma too.....I do not for a second think cindy killed Caylee....

I think Caylee looked very tired and nervous in that video.....poor little dear....

[Daffodil]

I don't remember offhand how many times they searched the house. It was just since Caylee's body was found that they referred to the home as the "crime scene". So, SOMETHING showed up at the burial site (using that loosely) that directly connected back to the home.

Thank you. I thought it was referred to as a crime scene from the beginning.

[WillowInFlight]

Thank you. Completely forgot about that. Did they take any of Casey's clothes out at that time?

I'm really not sure.

[Reenbean]

UMMM did I miss something ? did i say my kids were perfect? Please show me where I said that. Every Child has to be disciplined I'm sorry that you dont use discipline on yours...Umm I wouldn't want mine to grow up to be thugs and gang members...or worse like casey..

Now my kids did learn there was consequences to their actions...So you'd better believe they didn't want the consequences...1``day grounding from everything but there light in room for every minute late..meaning no phone, no radio,no car,(when they were old enough to drive), no school activities, no friends over, no TV, no nintendo, no games what so ever, NOTHING BUT THEIR SCHOOL BOOKS and their room...Same thing for detention's Needless to say daughter only had one detention, 30 days grounding for her was enough and she got that in 3rd grade..NOT ANOTHER FOR REST OF YEARS IN SCHOOL!
Last 9 weeks of school when she was in 6 grade her grades dropped when I talked to her about it... The response I got was well its close to summer and I was thinking about that.. I guess you could call it spring fever MOM... I said well that's fine.. and since you goofed off for 9 weeks before school was out then 9 weeks of your summer belongs to me.... Well that taught her another lesson.. EVERYTHING YOU DO HAS CONQUENCES!...

So , IF CA and GA would have given casey consequences to her actions and not let her get by with everything and cover for her...Caylee may not be dead...


If my kids ever TALKED TO ME LIKE CASEY DID... IM afraid they'd be calling DR to remove their teeth and a DENTIST to replace them..
I taught my kids to respect others..

TOO bad casey wasn't taught morals manners and respect... casey and the A's believe everyone owes them something and they are above all the laws.. IMO....They act like the little gang bangers, who take what they want when they want,, Do what they want and have no consequences to their actions. They all Tell lies as easily as I breath...Children learn what the live...And IMO casey was taught well.. She had very good role models..They set a fine example!....jmho..


High5 happygert!! Excellent post. If I had a nickel for every time my kids said I was a mean Mom for grounding or pulling time with their gadgets, then a dime for every time they learned from it, well I'd have some extra cash LOL.
Casey is a psychiatrist's dream. The depth of her issues are bottomless. I think she's a sociopath so I don't know how much difference it would have made had she been raised in a family where there were consequences to unacceptable behavior. I'm not defending the A's, I just think no matter how she was raised, she is what she is=a true sociopath. The lack of decent role models didn't help though, that's for sure.

[Motomom]

It will be interesting if there are any other fingerprints found on the duct tape besides Casey's. I believe Casey moved Caylee's body. I am still on the fence as to who murdered that poor baby. jmo

Really. I think she did it. I'm curious as to the fingerprint evidence though too. I think forensics will play a big part in clearing up any reasonable doubt some juror might have. I don't think she would cover for someone..some family member, in jail. Now I do think she would cover for someone else..but I just don't think that.. and it isn't everyone who can kill a 2 yr old too.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm still a couple of pages behind......but catching up.....just because Caylee is scared of grandma cindy doesn't mean grandma cindy killed her.......she has probably seen grandma and mommy fight terribly in her short little life.....and God only knows what casey told Caylee about her grandma too.....I do not for a second think cindy killed Caylee....

I think Caylee looked very tired and nervous in that video.....poor little dear....

ITA, and I don't believe for a second that Cindy killed Caylee either.

[CelticDawn]

CW also mentioned to stop playing with the fonts and people continue to do so. So just be careful.

OH BOY How do I delete my colourful post???...I just came on ehre again and didnt see this til I went backwards to read up...

[ConchGirl]

They sure do all kids test to see how far they can get.. Once they figure out you mean what you say, and you say what you mean.. It kind of makes them think twice.
Yes ITA if they get by with small things they just get into bigger things.. My daughter once said to me my 10 year old cousin gets to stay out longer does more then I get to do.. I said yes But i'm not his mother.. And if someone knocked on my door wanting to know where you were on such and such day .. I could tell them exactly where you were...

TOO bad GA and CA didnt nip casey's lying and stealing in the butt from get go..
I seen no discipline where casey was concerned at all .. I all see is a spoiled brat who got by with everything and mommy and daddy covering for her and bailing her out of trouble all the time.
So there is ways you can discipline without abuse... Take away what they like to do.. The old govenrment thing doesnt work for me... IMO It's easier to let kids do want they want then to teach them right from wrong....

It doesn't take a village to raise a child. It takes a parent.

[Motomom]

That is possible but I could move my children to China when they were sleeping and I wouldn't need duct tape to keep them quiet. I might add I didn't need to drug them.

Well some people can, some can't. Some are light sleepers, others can sleep through anything. She might not have needed to ducttape her mouth (going with my theory) but she may have just in case. I do tend to think that she was screaming or crying and that's why the ducttape was put on and wrapped around.. in anger..and what would Anger Casey more than Caylee crying for CA or GA.

[rosieposett]

I listened to the tape and it sure did sound like she said "I scared of you", but that could be my imagination. It could be anything I guess. Anyone else want a go at it???

I watched that segment of the tape several times, Caylee is so cute hiding behind that reddish colored cloth. When I listened closely to what was going on around the table, a nursing staff member had walked up and spoken to Papa Al or Cindy then she began talking to Caylee. I think this is who Caylee was speaking too. Caylee didn't know her and was being shy. Cindy even says on the tape that Caylee is being shy. That's the way I saw it.

[AbbyNormal]

If the house was considered a crime scene and the dogs hit on a couple of spots, why wasn't that house scoured for evidence? Why wasn't everything ripped apart looking for clues?There must not have been enough evidence until the body was found? They spent significant time there carrying out lots of things after Caylee's body was found.

[Motomom]

There must not have been enough evidence until the body was found? They spent significant time there carrying out lots of things after Caylee's body was found.

Or maybe it couldn't be connected to Caylees murder without her body?

[ConchGirl]

OH BOY How do I delete my colourful post???...I just came on ehre again and didnt see this til I went backwards to read up... I like the colors. I think CW was upset the other day because a certain poster was being childish. Said poster is ALWAYS childlike. MO

[summer4meplz]

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying when you say "I think that 's another big reason Caylee was killed ......no one could have her talking"? Do you mean she was a witness to something illegal?


From what I've heard about the anthonys household ....they seemed to be very dysfunctional.....it is illegal to expose young children to verbal abuse, even if it's not against the child .....and I bet Caylee saw and heard some horrible shouting matches between all 3 of them......outside of the house....when she was running around with casey....God only knows what she witnessed......but she was getting to an age when she would talk about everything in her little innocent way..imo

[CC I See]

OH BOY How do I delete my colourful post???...I just came on ehre again and didnt see this til I went backwards to read up...... don't worry about it, if we were not suppose to use color in our text, it wouldn't be available. They are referring to something else.

[tisamystery]

And if you play the video backwards at 33 rpm it says "Paul is dead."

C'mon folks. Let's not get carried away. We'll lose credability.

Not being nasty here, but . . . Seriously?

[Reenbean]

Hi, GOGO, I guess there could be reasons but if the prosecution is right, it would have been too late anyway, Caylee was already dead by June 16.
But I agree, I've watched that video a lot of times and I just don't see any fear on Caylee's face at all. I've seen some posters try to find a sinister meaning in everything, particularly pictures of Caylee when she is not smiling and happy. All children do not smile all the time. I've got pictures of my babies when they had been crying! Doesn't mean a thing, children are not always happy, there are bound to be sad times. It does not mean the child had any perception that their little lives are about to end. Kids don't think like that! And I do not think Cindy would have EVER done any harm to Caylee!

I didn't see fear in Caylee in that video either. When she was on Great Grandpa's lap she looked as though she was listening to his heartbeat and the sound of him humming the song.
She also looked exhausted IMO. And given what has come out about the chloroform, how Casey joked to Ricardo about giving her baby meds to sleep, well no shocker there.

[jammies]

It doesn't take a village to raise a child. It takes a parent.


You got it, Conch. SOME parents bought that line which let them off the hook. Very sad that this is the mentality here in the U.S.

[Daffodil]

From what I've heard about the anthonys household ....they seemed to be very dysfunctional.....it is illegal to expose young children to verbal abuse, even if it's not against the child .....and I bet Caylee saw and heard some horrible shouting matches between all 3 of them......outside of the house....when she was running around with casey....God only knows what she witnessed......but she was getting to an age when she would talk about everything in her little innocent way..imo

Thanks for explaining. I think that is how their home was also.

[legalmania]

OH BOY How do I delete my colourful post???...I just came on ehre again and didnt see this til I went backwards to read up...

I would write CW and tell her you didn't know and if she could please delete in the mean time nobody quote CelticDawn colorful post.

[nana6]

Can you agree the SITE WAS SHUT DOWN due to MAINTENANCE? That is what the moderator has indicated. :smile:
Yes Candy, I can agree that the site was shuit down due to maintenence last night., Yes, I saw what CW posted She posted it to me. I just said this afternoon when 2 posters were gpoing at it that I wanted to be able to be on here tonight because I could not get on last night. I hope I am clear/:smile:

[floridamom]

You got it, Conch. SOME parents bought that line which let them off the hook. Very sad that this is the mentality here in the U.S.

ITA...but I am still part of the Village....I will call my son's friends parents and tell on them in a heartbeat and I am confident they would do the same for me.

[AbbyNormal]

Really. I think she did it. I'm curious as to the fingerprint evidence though too. I think forensics will play a big part in clearing up any reasonable doubt some juror might have. I don't think she would cover for someone..some family member, in jail. Now I do think she would cover for someone else..but I just don't think that.. and it isn't everyone who can kill a 2 yr old too.Casey is the one sitting in jail.....so I will agree about forensics. There is so much we don't know yet. There must be even more that points directly to Casey.

But for now -- I am still on the fence.

[Reenbean]

What about when the reporter asked him what he was doing visiting with Casey until midnight? He smirked and said "How do you know that?" Like he was caught. Like this is all just a game to him.


I know, he's a complete moron IMO.

[AbbyNormal]

Well some people can, some can't. Some are light sleepers, others can sleep through anything. She might not have needed to ducttape her mouth (going with my theory) but she may have just in case. I do tend to think that she was screaming or crying and that's why the ducttape was put on and wrapped around.. in anger..and what would Anger Casey more than Caylee crying for CA or GA.The reverse could also be said. What would anger Cindy more than Caylee crying for her Mother? jmo

[CelticDawn]

I would write CW and tell her you didn't know and if she could please delete in the mean time nobody quote CelticDawn colorful post.

thanks everybody...actually I got there JIT to delete it...I actually bolded and coloured the post that I was addressing.


Now.....as for caylee looking scared and saying Im scared fo you....I didnt see anything particularly disturbing about that video....Maybe it is because we are all aware that it was the last video taken of her before she was murdered....That changes our perception....hindsight and such...

My kids when they were that age didnt particularly like cameras and would sometimes get aggravated....also she might have been tired.

[happygert]

High5 happygert!! Excellent post. If I had a nickel for every time my kids said I was a mean Mom for grounding or pulling time with their gadgets, then a dime for every time they learned from it, well I'd have some extra cash LOL.
Casey is a psychiatrist's dream. The depth of her issues are bottomless. I think she's a sociopath so I don't know how much difference it would have made had she been raised in a family where there were consequences to unacceptable behavior. I'm not defending the A's, I just think no matter how she was raised, she is what she is=a true sociopath. The lack of decent role models didn't help though, that's for sure.

I agree my kids used to tell me they'd never be like I was... I was hard with the grounding and discipline.... I said just wait..Daughters friend where here and talking about sneaking out of the house... My daughter said I never did..If I was grounded for a day for ever minute I was late I couldn't guess what I'd get for sneaking out of the house....:lol:. Yes I agree we'd have a nice nest egg by now...LOL..

.I also think casey and cindy are narcissistic..Yes I'd think the whole dang family would be a psychiatric dream or nightmare....lol

I also believe that cindy was just as jealous of casey as casey was a Caylee..I cant even imagine making the statement that cindy did about casey..." CASEY LOVES CAYLEE MORE THEN I LOVE CASEY" How many times did casey hear that?

I also believe when casey took Caylee and left that night cindys was relieved... no competing with casey or Caylee for Ga's attention...jmho...

[~tj~]

http://www.wesh.com/video/17565708/index.html
Thank you so much Kit!! Had I read a little further down before I posted I would have had it, LOL!!

It REALLY does sound like that doesn't it? But who knows? It could have been a game that she played a lot, and for whatever reason she says that?
Correction; said.

Very good ear to catch that though!! We'll probably never know.:crying:

[Pruddennce]

I don't remember offhand how many times they searched the house. It was just since Caylee's body was found that they referred to the home as the "crime scene". So, SOMETHING showed up at the burial site (using that loosely) that directly connected back to the home.

IMO, no doubt about it. and probably several items.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[legalmania]

I watched that segment of the tape several times, Caylee is so cute hiding behind that reddish colored cloth. When I listened closely to what was going on around the table, a nursing staff member had walked up and spoken to Papa Al or Cindy then she began talking to Caylee. I think this is who Caylee was speaking too. Caylee didn't know her and was being shy. Cindy even says on the tape that Caylee is being shy. That's the way I saw it.

That's the same thing I said a few post back. She saw the nurse either standing there or walking up and put the napkin or tablecloth over her face and said I'm scared of you. Caylee doesn't seem to smile much.

[Motomom]

ITA...but I am still part of the Village....I will call my son's friends parents and tell on them in a heartbeat and I am confident they would do the same for me.

Exactly FL.. ICAM. I believe it takes a village.. lots of people have NO idea what their children are doing..

[summer4meplz]

(bolding done by me)

I very much agree with you

I also think it was becoming more and more difficult for Casey to keep people from realizing that there was NO Zanny or Zach because the older Caylee got the more she would be reacting to people like George asking her stuff like "Did you have fun with Zanny today?" or "WHat did you do with Zanny and Zach today?"

Up until then George said when he asked about Zanny and Zach all Caylee did was show no recognition of either name but soon she'd be doing more... like saying... HUH?? WHO?? WHAT?? WHO'S ZANNY?
etc etc... :rolleyes:

and Caseys house of cards would come tumbling down

that's another thing that has confused me....I thought....before July 15....george and cindy had never heard of zanny?

[rosieposett]

Do you all think she said that to Cindy or Cindy's father whom they were visiting? Sometimes small children are a little shy around the elderly I have noticed that.

I watched and listened to the video carefully. I'm thinking Caylee was shying away from a nursing staff member who walked up and said something to Cindy's dad, Al. She can be heard on the tape. Cindy even comments on the tape that (she, Caylee, is being shy today). Then the nursing staff member begins talking to Caylee. I think it was harmless. We all have known children who react this way toward a stranger. I think it was harmless.

[jammies]

ITA...but I am still part of the Village....I will call my son's friends parents and tell on them in a heartbeat and I am confident they would do the same for me.


I want to be MAYOR of the village!

but yep, make bestest friends with their parents, have every phone number, etc. I used to call and check to make sure EVERY parent was on the same page.

Once, my daughter was at a pj party right on the next street. Mother was goofy, but I trusted her. She took all the girls out at 4am to TP some boys homes. Drove around with them all over creation. I found out about it the next day when my daughter told me. NEVER let her sleep overnight there again. I was LIVID!!!! btw this was when she was 13 yrs. old. Sometimes, the parents are WORSE than the kids!

[FrankieBones1]

Hi, Jasper and welcome to the board. I don't want to quote your post about Lee. We've got to be careful here about opining about those kinds of things. It was brought up early in the case and I'm sure we were told not to post about it. Just a friendly reminder.

[CelticDawn]

I really don't think that Cindy harmed Caylee

plus... it was Caseys car that smelled like decomposing body not Cindys.

Casey had her in the trunk for a while before disposing of her.... meanwhile Cindy was working everyday

I just don;t see how it would be possible for Cindy to be the one who killed her and kept her body around long enough for it to start decomposing and leaving fluids in the trunk

(i hate to even type about that stuff, it's such a horrible picture) :crying:
I dont think Cindy did it either....but in this case...the way it was presented as a hypothesis....its possible <though improbable>....and in THIS CASE....ANYTHING is possible.

[jammies]

IMO, no doubt about it. and probably several items.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


They couldn't get over there FAST ENOUGH.

[floridamom]

I want to be MAYOR of the village!

but yep, make bestest friends with their parents, have every phone number, etc. I used to call and check to make sure EVERY parent was on the same page.

Once, my daughter was at a pj party right on the next street. Mother was goofy, but I trusted her. She took all the girls out at 4am to TP some boys homes. Drove around with them all over creation. I found out about it the next day when my daughter told me. NEVER let her sleep overnight there again. I was LIVID!!!! btw this was when she was 13 yrs. old. Sometimes, the parents are WORSE than the kids!

That is hilarious NOW...and it makes a great story to tell your grandkidsbut man I would have been livid at the time, too.

[happygert]

It doesn't take a village to raise a child. It takes a parent.

Yes and I'll admit being a parent is the HARDEST JOB I EVER HAD.. I can see where parents just give in and let the kids do what they want..
But IMO cindy didn't care at the time where casey was or what she was doing as long as she wasn't under her feet...

[jammies]

Headline News covering this case.

[WillowInFlight]

I can't see casey sitting in jail for anyone, no way, no how.
jmo

Nope, she would never give up her nightlife for anyone.

[happygert]

Poor baby, she never had a chance in that house.

Nope she sure didn't... too bad casey didn't put her up for adoption when she was born... Caylee would have made someone very proud parents..She would have been so loved ....

[CelticDawn]

And considering this is a message board to discuss the case, which is what we're doing, I don't see what the complaint is. :bored:

Everyone has a right to their opinions and observations, after all.

Thank you, I_pickle. It's a shame that one or two have to rip someone apart limb from limb because they do not agree with someone elses opinions, theories, ideas or observations. Even when you put IMHO after everything you write, there are still some that love to instigate just for the fun of it. You have to learn how to skip, scroll and ignore. They feed on any reaction. And that being said, I think the reason so many of us feel that every little thing is sinister in everything we are reading and seeing in this case is because a sinister person is at the root of everything. No matter if Casey did or did not kill Caylee, she is still cold, callous, a pathological liar, devoid of any emotions except for those pertaining to herself and don't get me started on her narcissism because that's a chapter in itself.


chapter January???...Id say more like an entire thesis!!!


I tried looking at it both ways and to me both are possible....just not very likely...

Im afraid to post some things some times because I dont want to cause trouble on the board....but then if nobody ever posted opinions there would be nothing to discuss except for reading links and repeating everything verbatim.

[summer4meplz]

well George did tell LE that he asked Caylee about Zanny etc and she never exhibited any recognition yet she would react to other names like Mallory etc.


I remember him saying that in one of his interviews and thought he had tripped himself up.......I think the detective then asked him about Annabelle......and george said no,,,he had never asked her about Annabelle.....IIRC...and God only knows I easily could be wrong

[Pruddennce]

I didn't see fear in Caylee in that video either. When she was on Great Grandpa's lap she looked as though she was listening to his heartbeat and the sound of him humming the song.
She also looked exhausted IMO. And given what has come out about the chloroform, how Casey joked to Ricardo about giving her baby meds to sleep, well no shocker there.

she was taking direction from Cindy...the camera was rolling.

and so was her father: Cindy says: KEEP SINGING

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/home-video-caylee-anthony-with-her-great-grandfather-on-june-15/4249617783

"give poppop a hug and kiss" (she doesnt respond)

then again: ...Caylee give him a kiss...

awwww says Cindy. and Caylee knows she can get down now.

film complete.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Reenbean]

The reverse could also be said. What would anger Cindy more than Caylee crying for her Mother? jmo


Love all your posts Abby, but I just can't see that. As much as I can't stomach Cindy after all the back-peddling she's done for Casey I don't think there's even a chance she killed her. Casey had more motive, in her twisted, selfish mind. She couldn't stand the controlling ways of her mother, lived in a sand castle in the sky like most sociopaths do and simply wanted to be rid of the one thing constantly thrown in her face to deal with that didn't gel with her "reality". Cindy is a whack-job IMO, but I can't see your point on this. The trail keeps leading back to Casey for me.

[ConchGirl]

George was tracked by GPS on his cellphone. If Cindy was paying Casey's bill why didn't she track her down. She was paying the bill after all. :shrug:

[i_pickle]

And considering this is a message board to discuss the case, which is what we're doing, I don't see what the complaint is. :bored:

Everyone has a right to their opinions and observations, after all.

Thank you, I_pickle. It's a shame that one or two have to rip someone apart limb from limb because they do not agree with someone elses opinions, theories, ideas or observations. Even when you put IMHO after everything you write, there are still some that love to instigate just for the fun of it. You have to learn how to skip, scroll and ignore. They feed on any reaction. And that being said, I think the reason so many of us feel that every little thing is sinister in everything we are reading and seeing in this case is because a sinister person is at the root of everything. No matter if Casey did or did not kill Caylee, she is still cold, callous, a pathological liar, devoid of any emotions except for those pertaining to herself and don't get me started on her narcissism because that's a chapter in itself.I roll and scroll but I also speak up on occasion, depending on my mood, lol. Sometimes I just leave because of arguing over minutia and it gets too tedious to wade thru all that. But I try to respect everyone's opinion, no matter how outrageous I think it is.

I think there's history between folks too and I'm glad I haven't been around here long enough to develope any .... yet. :laugh:

And yes, I think most will agree about Casey's narcissism. It's patently obvious that she is a self-centered, self indulgent, spoiled, brat. My opinion of her parents isn't good either, and there is disagreement on the board about that. So be it, I say.

ETA: Something happened to this post and it looks like I'm quoting myself when I quoted January's post. :confused:

[gaelicpeas]

Casey is the one sitting in jail.....so I will agree about forensics. There is so much we don't know yet. There must be even more that points directly to Casey.

But for now -- I am still on the fence.Glad to see you back on the fence! For a while, it was just you, me, and 2 other posters. Then you jumped bail!

[happygert]

she was taking direction from Cindy...the camera was rolling.

and so was her father: Cindy says: KEEP SINGING

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/home-video-caylee-anthony-with-her-great-grandfather-on-june-15/4249617783

"give poppop a hug and kiss" (she doesnt respond)

then again: ...Caylee give him a kiss...

awwww says Cindy. and Caylee knows she can get down now.

film complete.


IMO

best regards,
Pru

Pru just looked at the picture video wouldn't play... However I enlarged picture.... Looks Like the shorts she has on does have stripes on them... LOOK 'S like pink and same color of her shirt.. does anyone have another picture of that?

[Dtviewer3]

And if you play the video backwards at 33 rpm it says "Paul is dead."
C'mon folks. Let's not get carried away. We'll lose credability.

Not being nasty here, but . . . Seriously?


:laugh:

Agreed with your post 100%.

[MrsHudson]

I am happy your experience with raising your perfect children has been so pleasant and without tribulations.

Gerts post said nothing of the kind. It was about taking personal responsibility for the way your raise your kids.

[Daffodil]

I dont think Cindy did it either....but in this case...the way it was presented as a hypothesis....its possible <though improbable>....and in THIS CASE....ANYTHING is possible.

Thank you!!!

Will the defense use this? Will the defense tell the jury that Cindy was the last one seen with Caylee? He may plan to throw the A's under the bus so if he adds this to it will it make the jurors question it?

[Rayosunshine]

And a big hello to you! What do you think of Jaime selling Caylee Sunshine dolls? I have to wonder if he will be on TV again tonight. I'm embarrassed for the man.

Any idea where Lee Anthony is these days?

Jaime is a sicko!

Who know where Lee is?? I thought he was living back at his parents home - he and Cindy are certainly keeping a low profile.

[lonetraveler]

I keep trying to get a screen shot at 1:31 and am failing. :cursing:

Anyone want to give it a try????

ETA link again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=807EBB5956963333&playnext=1&index=29

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could the shorts be made of seersucker material (pardon the spelling). In Seersucke material there is a stripe made into the material. The cloth is all the same color, but there is a sort of puckered stripe embedded. Help me here someone.....please :confused:

[gaelicpeas]

thanks everybody...actually I got there JIT to delete it...I actually bolded and coloured the post that I was addressing.


Now.....as for caylee looking scared and saying Im scared fo you....I didnt see anything particularly disturbing about that video....Maybe it is because we are all aware that it was the last video taken of her before she was murdered....That changes our perception....hindsight and such...

My kids when they were that age didnt particularly like cameras and would sometimes get aggravated....also she might have been tired.CW objected to people using particular colors to mimic other posters. Then another time she asked about the "bolding mine" or "highlighting mine" when quoting someone else. Several posters responded as to what they were doing. CW suggested we say something like "bolding above to address" so people wouldn't think the responding poster was actually adding the text that was bolded (as opposed to just highlighting it).

AFAIK, there is nothing wrong with using different fonts or colors. Whew! I hope I explained that correctly!

I agree with what you said about cameras, especially if someone in the family is camera-happy (like Casey). My sister is a photographer, and I think her son was like 18 before she got a decent pic of him - always before he made stupid faces at the camera because he hated that camera!

Has anyone seen a response by the judge to Baez' last 2 motions (one to recuse the prosecutors, two to object to Judge Strickland's order that Casey appear at all future hearings)? Or will we hear his response on Friday at the hearing? TIA

[MrsHudson]

I so agree with you. thanks for posting this opinion. imo Caylee was cuddling with he papa, "are you tired papa?) I so love that video. papa 's love is so obvious, there is not one thing in that video hinting of fear. imo it would hurt ME for anyone to insinuate fear. she is cuddling with her grandma's dad, it is pure and sweet. imo also I agree Cindy had nothing to do with this horror until the day she confronted Casey. the 911 call. what I cannot understand is why did not Cindy and or George go to Fusion at closing time, to follow and or confront Casey WHERE ARE YOU STAYING , TAKE ME RIGHT THIS EFFEN MINUTE TO CAYLEE OR I WILL CALL LE. Why wait a month to find Caylee? skip the excuses, go after her. follow her. gogo

The video looks fine to me. I don't think Cindy would hurt Caylee or Caylee was afraid of her.

What we do know is that there were very severe fights in that family and it was not stable and Caylee was in the middle of it.

[WillowInFlight]

Thank you!!!

Will the defense use this? Will the defense tell the jury that Cindy was the last one seen with Caylee? He may plan to throw the A's under the bus so if he adds this to it will it make the jurors question it?

I think that they are capable of anything, but I doubt the jury will by it. I think the state has a pretty strong case, and we haven't even heard all they have.

[legalmania]

she was taking direction from Cindy...the camera was rolling.

and so was her father: Cindy says: KEEP SINGING

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/home-video-caylee-anthony-with-her-great-grandfather-on-june-15/4249617783

"give pop pop a hug and kiss" (she doesn't respond)

then again: ...Caylee give him a kiss...

aww says Cindy. and Caylee knows she can get down now.

film complete.




IMO

best regards,
Pru

What a smart and perceptive little girl to say are you tired papa.

[Dtviewer3]

I dont think Cindy did it either....but in this case...the way it was presented as a hypothesis....its possible <though improbable>....and in THIS CASE....ANYTHING is possible.


Thats where I dont agree.

This is a very simple case, with loads of evidence pointing to one person.

People just get caught up in all the peripheral nonsense, and let it cloud the 'facts'.

[Daffodil]

I don't think she did either. Even if she had survived, I believe that she would have Cindy and Casey as primary influences and she would have grown up to be a carbon copy of one or both of them. Although I know some would disagree, I don't think she was the most important person in that household. I think there were too many others in that house that felt they were "the most important". I do feel she was the most vulnerable and that is why she ended up being used as a weapon, a pawn and anything other than just a sweet little child. I find it very odd that there are no pictures or videos of her playing with other children.

Hi January!!

What I noticed about videos of Caylee are that the camera would be on her but whoever was behind the camera wouldn't really interact with her. Or it was just a tape following her around. I really didn't hear anyone interact with anyone else.

Casey did have at least one friend who also had a young child. But I don't think Casey would be the type of mom (wow, hard to put those two words together) that would go to playgroups since she was so busy as an event planner.

I have never felt that this was a loving family. It is quite obvious when you hear how Cindy taks about Casey to her friends. I just realized that Cindy doesn't like anybody. Wow, I know a few people like that. Not healthy.

[Rayosunshine]

There seems to be some mis-information being posted today.

The Winnie the Pooh blanket was INSIDE the bag with Caylee's remains.

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530229.pdf

page #3159 starting with the paragraph:
Once at the medical examiners office, . . .

Later folks.

I wonder if the Winnie the Pooh Blanket was replaced??

[bama__angel]

Yes and I'll admit being a parent is the HARDEST JOB I EVER HAD.. I can see where parents just give in and let the kids do what they want..
But IMO cindy didn't care at the time where casey was or what she was doing as long as she wasn't under her feet...


You hit the nail on the head................Just think after years of dealing with Casey........Casey was 22................Cindy and George had to be just numb (that's the only word I can think of).....

[bluwaters]

Jail Won't Allow Caylee Funeral Behind Bars
http://www.wftv.com/news/18588059/detail.html#-