Wednesday, January 28th - Part 2

[legalmania]

I thought it was common knowledge that the ham sandwich in that case was invited to the scene by Mama Cass. It has been established that Mama Cass planned to eat said sandwich & the sandwich was having none of that.

Self defense. Case closed.

I'm wondering if Lee will be showing up at any of the hearings.

That's it mama cass, so the sandwich was not fried?

[?noanswer]

I have been wondering, is it really ethical and legal to send correspondence from a client to others in order to bypass the jail's surveillance?
It was obvious in the taped visits that they were intending to use JB as the middle man and I thought that was somehow illegal. Anyone?

I don't know if it is legal/ethical. But it would lose the atty/client privilege as soon as a third party saw it. JMO

[Motomom]

I'm just going by what a lady on another site had scanned in from a TARGET flyer or catalogue or something (sorry i can't remember exactly which she said)

It was a set and the Comforter looked like what is on the bed in the picture Nancy showed but the blanket to the set looked more like the typical type of baby blanket, not as puffy as a comforter and more Pooh design on it.... it looked more like or similar to the same design as the sheets.

I should have saved the picture but i didnt think to at the time

I found it on the target site. Those blankets, would have been purchased extra IMO. They wouldn't have come from the crib in a bag. I'm not saying that they didn't purchase it aside. I'm just wondering why NG implied that it was the same one we were looking at. I hope I explained myself.. I'm trying to.

[Oregongal]

I was sure they had done more, but not exactly how many. That why I said at least one. IIRC, didn't KC mention something about one of the covers in one of her jail house tapes. Something about it was supposed to be about Caylee, but they had her picture on there or something like that. I don't know if she was bragging or complaining!! JMO

She was bragging ?no!
I'm sure she's been lapping up all this attention. That's one thing so many narcissists seem to have in common, murdering ones or not, a need for attention, no matter how they get it.
Blech!!!!

[legalmania]

No. Its asks for it but no fed tax. Its up to your state if there is state tax.

Well I lived in Florida last year and when we got the first economy boost when tax time came around they took it right out of my income tax refund.

[CC I See]

I wonder if we will ever know the COD?.... probably not, but my gut feeling is asphyxiation from having duct tape across her face cutting off oxygen. She could have also choked to death from fluid in her mouth and lungs.

I think the chloroform was in the trunk of the car so that people could use it to have fun at one the parties Casey attended. If this is so, then hopefully this information will come out at the trial. It is a complete mystery why young people would use chloroform to have fun but then they also raid the medicine cabinet to pop all kinds of meds too.

[Calla]

I won't brag. But I will post to Calla & tell her she was 'right.'

As I expect the same from her. :)

Ummm I may be really really busy Friday:confused:


:laugh:

[?noanswer]

Don't we have to pay back that surplus boost money we got last year. I wonder if Cindy got that for Caylee and Casey.


Are you referring to the economic stimulus check? I have never heard anything about having to pay it back. There is supposedly a 7500. credit for home buyers, but that does have to be paid back. I can't remember how many years one can take to pay it back. JMO

[Oregongal]

Wait. Leonard believes the same?

Hmmm... I might have to regroup my thoughts on the subject.

LOL Landie...I'm gonna wait and see.
:wink:

[Motomom]

Yes motomom, great post from cala as well as yours. Good questions about the blanket/comforter.
I've been wondering the same.
I would assume that LE has a way of identifying and matching said blanket to whatever they took from the house the night the remains were found. And if it is another piece of the puzzle that links Casey to the murder of Caylee it will most likely be a solid, forensic piece that fits right in to make the case against Casey a whole, complete picture.



Well I want to see the complete picture now..I hope we get a speedy trial.. I hope so.

[Katprint]

Sure. A friendly wager.

The winner gets to be 'right.' :)
I want in on some of this action! I bet neither Cindy nor George will be there. But I don't want to be right - I am already right most of the time - what I want is a virtual box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Cury-us Coyote]

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
1/27/2009 A ORANGE COUNTY CORRECTIONS MOTION FOR CLARIFICATION REGARDING DEFENDANT'S ATTENDANCE IN COURT
1/28/2009 A AMENDED MOTION TO COMPEL DNA BENCH NOTES/REPORTS AND STANDARDS FILED
1/28/2009 A AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING FILED

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

[playnice]

Well I lived in Florida last year and when we got the first economy boost when tax time came around they took it right out of my income tax refund.

The arent doing the fed this year tho.

[sailordog]

oh good :)

ya I'm not sure why Nancy thinks that the Comforter on the bed is the "blanket" to the set.

From what i could see on the picture that the lady had posted... it was a different article altogether from the comforter.

More like a regular blanket you would wrap a child in or take in your vehicle for them.

at least when my kids were small like Caylee I often took a blanket of theirs in the car but i rarely if EVER took their Comforter.

In fact i don't think i ever took their comforter off the crib because it was fancier and more for decoration and not one i would hand them in their car seat or to sit on at the park or whatever.

:confused:

It was a blanket that was found in the bag with Caylee. Not a comforter. But it was from the same Pooh design that is on Caylee's bedding. The blanket is usually an additional piece you can buy. The comforter comes in the set - the blanket is extra.

[?noanswer]

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
1/27/2009 A ORANGE COUNTY CORRECTIONS MOTION FOR CLARIFICATION REGARDING DEFENDANT'S ATTENDANCE IN COURT
1/28/2009 A AMENDED MOTION TO COMPEL DNA BENCH NOTES/REPORTS AND STANDARDS FILED
1/28/2009 A AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING FILED

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Here we go again!! When is he going to start preparing for trial? JMO

[legalmania]

Are you referring to the economic stimulus check? I have never heard anything about having to pay it back. There is supposedly a 7500. credit for home buyers, but that does have to be paid back. I can't remember how many years one can take to pay it back. JMO

Yes that's it I could not remember what it was called. Anyway Bush gave us two I think the first one was a couple of years ago and in Florida we had to pay it back. They took it straight from our tax refund.

[WillowInFlight]

Its no mystery to me. People huff spray paint. Suck freon directly from the air conditioning line. Google 'choking game', if you haven't heard of that one.

A person who wants to get high usually has plenty of initiative to do so. Unfortunately.

I have done a lot of research on the "choking game" that is some scary stuff.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Here's Comes Greta.

[?noanswer]

Yes that's it I could not remember what it was called. Anyway Bush gave us two I think the first one was a couple of years ago and in Florida we had to pay it back. They took it straight from our tax refund.

That doesn't seem fair. Give with one hand and take away with the other. Bummer. JMO

[sailordog]

Why would George peel the labels off the pill bottles used in his "suicide" attempt. NG show reported that his suicide letter said the pills were starting to work and his writing in the note got sloppier and sloppier. However, when the police found him, he was totally coherent. Is the inference that he "set this up?" Maybe 'ole George isn't exactly the idiot we think he is. Maybe he is preparing for his own defense?

[newsjunkie]

Here's Comes Greta.

yup, ham sandwich and all!

[bchand]

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
1/27/2009 A ORANGE COUNTY CORRECTIONS MOTION FOR CLARIFICATION REGARDING DEFENDANT'S ATTENDANCE IN COURT
1/28/2009 A AMENDED MOTION TO COMPEL DNA BENCH NOTES/REPORTS AND STANDARDS FILED
1/28/2009 A AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING FILED

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Do you take that as the Orange County Jail wants to know if they can force her out of the cell if need be?

[legalmania]

I want in on some of this action! I bet neither Cindy nor George will be there. But I don't want to be right - I am already right most of the time - what I want is a virtual box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Actually the bet should extend if Casey is going to show. I heard that she doesn't want to come and Baez even with the judges order says she doesn't have to? Is that crazy or what.

[WillowInFlight]

Why would George peel the labels off the pill bottles used in his "suicide" attempt. NG show reported that his suicide letter said the pills were starting to work and his writing in the note got sloppier and sloppier. However, when the police found him, he was totally coherent. Is the inference that he "set this up?" Maybe 'ole George isn't exactly the idiot we think he is. Maybe he is preparing for his own defense?

I think old George caught wind of what was coming down the pipe and found a way to make himself unreachable.

[steffaroob4]

Here's Comes Greta.

Thanks,

I think the iron-on letters were on the laundry bag. A little home decor touch by CA.

[Calla]

Well I want to see the complete picture now..I hope we get a speedy trial.. I hope so.

Me too and I want to see George and Cindy back into reality and some semblance of a normal life...and if they make anymore public statements, I want it to be after the trial and sentencing to thank their supporters, the searchers, and the LE . And I want them to be able to express how utterly devastated they are over their daughter's actions.
That's it.

[sailordog]

I think old George caught wind of what was coming down the pipe and found a way to make himself unreachable.

Maybe he is truly scared of Cindy? Maybe he was cutting a deal while she wasn't looking?

[legalmania]

That doesn't seem fair. Give with one hand and take away with the other. Bummer. JMO

You mean everybody else didn't have to pay it back?

[need2no]

Mark on Greta now....

[playnice]

That doesn't seem fair. Give with one hand and take away with the other. Bummer. JMO

http://www.blurtit.com/q280485.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081128152527AANOYEk

Your 2008 tax return includes a Recovery Rebate Credit. The credit is figured the same way the stimulus payment was figured but is based on your 2008 income instead of your 2007 income. In order to figure your Recovery Rebate Credit, you will need to know your stimulus payment. If your stimulus payment is different from the Recovery Rebate Credit, you will need to figure the difference. You are paid the difference if the RRC is more than your stimulus payment. You do not have to pay back the difference if your RRC is less than your stimulus payment.

So you will need to include the stimulus payment information on your tax return.

However, neither the stimulus payment nor the Recovery Rebate Credit are taxable. They are both tax-free.


I bet Cindy will claim Caylee.

[MrsHudson]

You are reading only one portion of a long post. Your not understanding my entire post.

Oh. Okay! :smile: I may not have understood.

[Calla]

I want in on some of this action! I bet neither Cindy nor George will be there. But I don't want to be right - I am already right most of the time - what I want is a virtual box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

So far it is you and I against Landshark...and I wnat chocolates too!

[grammaw]

Me too and I want to see George and Cindy back into reality and some semblance of a normal life...and if they make anymore public statements, I want it to be after the trial and sentencing to thank their supporters, the searchers, and the LE . And I want them to be able to express how utterly devastated they are over their daughter's actions.
That's it.

I third that emotion!!

[bchand]

Yes that's it I could not remember what it was called. Anyway Bush gave us two I think the first one was a couple of years ago and in Florida we had to pay it back. They took it straight from our tax refund.


Could you have refused it knowing you'd have to pay it back or weren't you aware that you'd have to pay it back?

[playnice]

You mean everybody else didn't have to pay it back?

the first time it was but the 2008 isnt.

[sailordog]

ya i know

what we were discussing is why Nancy seemed to be saying that the one on her bed was replaced.

The thing on her bed is the comforter not the blanket... i think Nancy is mixed up.

Yes, I think Nancy is saying the wrong thing. In one breath she calls it a blanket, then in the next breath she says "just like the one on Caylee's bed" -It isn't on the bed - the comforter is. Very misleading.

[newsjunkie]

Geeeeeeeez We already know all this stuff!

[steffaroob4]

OMG, get caught up on the case Greta, they are two months behind!!!

Stupid garbage and Amscot.

[WillowInFlight]

What difference does it make if there was ham and cheese in the car?

[sailordog]

My thoughts on George's 'motel excursion' are definitely not mainstream, from what I have seen here.

I do believe George never intended to commit suicide. I'll leave it at that.

Landshark. I am leaning that way too. I think had he wanted to, he would have. I think this is part of a greater plan.

[newsjunkie]

What difference does it make if there was ham and cheese in the car?


I think Biaz thinks the ham would smell like decomp? OMG how pathetic is this?

[joolz]

I thought it was common knowledge that the ham sandwich in that case was invited to the scene by Mama Cass. It has been established that Mama Cass planned to eat said sandwich & the sandwich was having none of that.

Self defense. Case closed.

I'm wondering if Lee will be showing up at any of the hearings.


Well I have it on inside information that prosecutors always had their doubts about that self defense claim.

I don't think Lee with be there, but I think Cindy will. Since they have the temerity to have scheduled that hearing at 5:30 am my time, I will have to rely on the honesty of posters to let me know who shows and who doesn't. :mad:

[legalmania]

Could you have refused it knowing you'd have to pay it back or weren't you aware that you'd have to pay it back?

They direct deposited it and when I said I wanted to send it back they said just don't spend it.

[MrsHudson]

NG made it seem like she was still trying to get out of attending on Friday. What more can Casey do now? She signed the waiver and the judge still ordered her to appear, so she has to appear, right? What are the consequences, if any, she doesn't appear then?

I think she needs to appear to see what she is facing. The TH on NG said that by not going to these hearings it is showing that she doesn't want to take any responsibility for the situation.

She would be in contempt if she does not show right? Or maybe not since there's pending motions about it filed by Baez.

Anyone?

[?noanswer]

You mean everybody else didn't have to pay it back?

I have never heard of anyone paying it back, if it was the check people got last year. I think a single person got $600. and a couple got $1200, and there was additonal money if there were children in the family. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks,

I think the iron-on letters were on the laundry bag. A little home decor touch by CA.

And it spells BAG??? How decorative is that?
Could also be something that goes with the heart, IMO.

[sailordog]

I think Biaz thinks the ham would smell like decomp? OMG how pathetic is this?

Time and time again, they have said the smell of human decomp and the smell of animal decomp is completely different. Duh Jose.

[legalmania]

the first time it was but the 2008 isnt.

You mean I've been working extra hours for nothing.

[MrsHudson]

I wonder if when Casey said "they didn't even find her clothes yet" she knew there would be nothing left of Caylee.

That might be it. Good thinking.

[Dells]

I'm beginning to wonder if JB has read any of the evidence that has been released by LE. I think he better stop using his time to file motions and take a good look at the evidence against his client. He wants to win this case using smoke & mirrors. JMO

Between filing motions, teaching law classes, and calling press conferences, he probably hasn't had much time to review the evidence.:rolleyes: He better get right on that. Perhaps he will see the mounting pile of evidence against Casey and then try to work out a plea deal for her. One can only hope...

[Motomom]

ya i know

what we were discussing is why Nancy seemed to be saying that the one on her bed was replaced.

The thing on her bed is the comforter not the blanket... i think Nancy is mixed up.

She may be. She acted as if it was NEW news. We know that a "pooh bear blanket" was found, yet tonight she kept focusing in on the comforter. She spoke of the crib in a bag etc etc etc.. That is what got me wondering. Then thinking to when Cindy said she was washing the blankets weekly. Only LE and the ME and I'm a sure a select few others have seen this blanket. We will soon enough I'm sure, but if it is the comforter it's rather interesting.

[bchand]

They direct deposited it and when I said I wanted to send it back they said just don't spend it.

Well at least you could just bank it and earn a little interest?

[steffaroob4]

What difference does it make if there was ham and cheese in the car?

The meat has to draw the flies, they need meat in the trunk.

[MrsHudson]

I made a request but everybody hates me. They want me to get sick and die.

Not get sick and die.........just get a little woosie. :tonguewag:

[sailordog]

BINGO!

I thought the exact same thing when i heard about the peeled off labels and his writing getting sloppier and sloppier in the "suicide note" yet he was totally coherent and fine when they found him.

The apple don't fall too far from the tree...

I think that whole family has had psychological problems from long before Caylee went missing


Ole' Georgie may turn out to be the slipperiest slope yet!! Maybe he's a total sleeper ... maybe he's outsmarted everyone? Wouldn't that be an interesting turn of events.

[101Spots]

Well at least you could just bank it and earn a little interest?

....... which in itself is taxable.

[Motomom]

Yes, I think Nancy is saying the wrong thing. In one breath she calls it a blanket, then in the next breath she says "just like the one on Caylee's bed" -It isn't on the bed - the comforter is. Very misleading.

I am not sure sure NG is saying it wrong tonight, but we'll have to wait and see what People magazine has in their article. That was where she was getting the information. The information about that blanket have been out since the docs were released, which were what? last week sometime. I mean..either ng needs to catch up or...Peoples article has more scoop in it.

[legalmania]

Well at least you could just bank it and earn a little interest?

Very little.

[Dells]

I find this a very "interesting" choice of words: Anthony Attorney says they "don't know" if Casey is innocent.

Isn't it more common to say they don't know if she is guilty?

Is this like "the glass is half-full" type of optimism?

No that you mention it, that is an interesting choice of wording.... Maybe they worded it that way because all along they have been professing her innocence?

[Cury-us Coyote]

OMG, get caught up on the case Greta, they are two months behind!!!

Stupid garbage and Amscot.

Confirmation of no surveillance tapes/DVR videos from Amscot is new, IMO.

[legalmania]

Not get sick and die.........just get a little woosie. :tonguewag:

Thanks, I appreciate your compassion.

[joolz]

My thoughts on George's 'motel excursion' are definitely not mainstream, from what I have seen here.

I do believe George never intended to commit suicide. I'll leave it at that.

You are not alone, Sharky, I don't think he was serious about it either. jmo

[bchand]

....... which in itself is taxable.

lol it's a vicious circle.

[steffaroob4]

And it spells BAG??? How decorative is that?
Could also be something that goes with the heart, IMO.

NO, C M A, just like on the wall of the nursery, CA had that nursery all matching, a plain laundry bag could easily fit in, if it had matching initials.

The heart was out of spite, IMO. Letters could have been on shirt, but I am betting they were on laundry bag.

[WillowInFlight]

I think Biaz thinks the ham would smell like decomp? OMG how pathetic is this?

Ok now thats :laugh::laugh:

[Oregongal]

This may be her only chance to look her daughter in the eye since Casey isnt accepting visitors. I would love to watch their body language if Cindy shows up.

If she is coming to the realization that her dd is guilty, she may not want to see her. Especially on the heels of George's hospitalization.
I will post my vote to whether she will be there or not as....
:shrug:
:biggrin:

[sailordog]

The hole that was dug in the back yard is interesting too. Guess she borrowed the shovel to dig dirt afterall. (Thanks Lenny - ya got that one wrong too!)

[Dells]

I say she wont...But if she does I'm not sure she'll sit quitely...But my odds say she wont... But i'm betting conway will be there......maybe wrong...

On NG, Lenny said that he thought for sure that Cindy would be there. I am not so sure. I guess I have to wait and see. I think for sure Conway will be there though. If Cindy does show up, I wonder what side she will sit on? I think she will probably sit on Casey's side somewhere in the back.

[WillowInFlight]

You are not alone, Sharky, I don't think he was serious about it either. jmo

Of course not, it was nothing more than a diversion. IMO

[Neffy]

I'm thinking now that George is tucked away, she just may show up.

:eek:oooooooo with a Conway escort.

[Anakerie]

Between filing motions, teaching law classes, and calling press conferences, he probably hasn't had much time to review the evidence.:rolleyes: He better get right on that. Perhaps he will see the mounting pile of evidence against Casey and then try to work out a plea deal for her. One can only hope...

Perhaps Jose has those law students reviewing the evidence for him.. :rolleyes:

[Motomom]

Well at least you could just bank it and earn a little interest?

Or given it away to the needy :sleep:


If GA is in the hospital and LA is out of town on work, is CA alone?

[sailordog]

Perhaps Jose has those law students reviewing the evidence for him.. :rolleyes:

Hey, worked for Alan Dershowitz and Claus Von Bulow!

[newsjunkie]

On NG, Lenny said that he thought for sure that Cindy would be there. I am not so sure. I guess I have to wait and see. I think for sure Conway will be there though. If Cindy does show up, I wonder what side she will sit on? I think she will probably sit on Casey's side somewhere in the back.


And why would Conway be there? ( I agree he will be )

This is Casey's court date, not the Anthony's.

Their issues would be taken up somewhere else I would think.

If he is there I think the judge and pros will be questioning it.

[WillowInFlight]

:eek:oooooooo with a Conway escort.

Or Dominic Casey:sneaky:

[grammaw]

I am not sure sure NG is saying it wrong tonight, but we'll have to wait and see what People magazine has in their article. That was where she was getting the information. The information about that blanket have been out since the docs were released, which were what? last week sometime. I mean..either ng needs to catch up or...Peoples article has more scoop in it.

I don't know if the blanket Nancy was talking about is the one that was found with the body,and I don't know if it comes in that particular set,but my Grandson had a blanket for preschool that was Diego,that was a soft fabric that was almost furry,and I washed that every week.

[jammies]

:eek:oooooooo with a Conway escort.


Can't really blame her either.

[WillowInFlight]

Or given it away to the needy :sleep:


If GA is in the hospital and LA is out of town on work, is CA alone?

Some how I doubt it.

[MrsHudson]

I find this a very "interesting" choice of words: Anthony Attorney says they "don't know" if Casey is innocent.

Isn't it more common to say they don't know if she is guilty?

Is this like "the glass is half-full" type of optimism?

It's called a modified limited hangout.

[legalmania]

Of course not, it was nothing more than a diversion. IMO

I'm glad he's getting some kind of help. The man needs someone to talk to besides his wife and son and get on the right medication. I don't like to see anybody suffering not even woosie.

[Dells]

After listening to Holly Hughes on Nancy Grace,I truly believe that Jose Baez is going after Ineffective Counsel.The fact is this evidence against her SO FAR,is overwhelming and she had better do something to save her own life(if that's even possible)and her Parents better Beg her to confess,cause she's in so far over her head,she'll never see the light of day again,She better STOP listening to Baez,cause he will be overruled so much,it sucks for him to quote another person,That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

I think her parents at this point might want her to confess. Can you imagine how different this whole thing would have been if she would have confessed to an accident from the very beginning? She would have started her prison sentence by now and might have gotten out when she was still young enough to make some sort of life for herself. I agree that Baez has not done her any favors. I really think his best bet would have been to get her a deal early on. I can't even imagine what a circus it will be if this goes to trial.

[coffee1950j]

:eek:oooooooo with a Conway escort.

To hold her hands down?

[Motomom]

Very little new info was talked about on NG that we didn't know already. I wish she would have taken my call and put me on the air tonight!! I have questions!!

Like she was saying, the bedding usually is sold in "sets" A while back we were all discussing the JCPenny credit card statement that Cindy refused to give LE. Does anyone else connect the dots with this, that maybe sometime in June after Caylee was killed and wrapped in a WP blanket that it could have been a very big possibility that Casey could have used Cindy's JCP card to order a replacement comforter or blanket to replace the one that was left with Caylee?? You know..trying to cover her tracks. Does anyone know if it is possible to call a place like that and get 1 peice of a collection as opposed to buying the entire thing? My sons room was done in Winnie the Pooh when he was a baby...granted that was 11 years ago...but there is a very distinctive diffrence int he WP you get at Walmart & WP you get from Penny's...one looks more like Disney's Pooh and the other looks more like the ORIGINAL Pooh from the books.

Just my thoughts...any input?

I'm not sure if you could just by a piece. I would think it's possible. IT may be sold seperately as well as in a set. OR did she buy a whole new set and got rid of the extra pieces? Or put them away even.

[jammies]

Or Dominic Casey:sneaky:




heheh. .....:biggrin:

[need2no]

Confirmation of no surveillance tapes/DVR videos from Amscot is new, IMO.

Yes, and contrary to what Murt said regarding his insider info.

[sailordog]

Very little new info was talked about on NG that we didn't know already. I wish she would have taken my call and put me on the air tonight!! I have questions!!

Like she was saying, the bedding usually is sold in "sets" A while back we were all discussing the JCPenny credit card statement that Cindy refused to give LE. Does anyone else connect the dots with this, that maybe sometime in June after Caylee was killed and wrapped in a WP blanket that it could have been a very big possibility that Casey could have used Cindy's JCP card to order a replacement comforter or blanket to replace the one that was left with Caylee?? You know..trying to cover her tracks. Does anyone know if it is possible to call a place like that and get 1 peice of a collection as opposed to buying the entire thing? My sons room was done in Winnie the Pooh when he was a baby...granted that was 11 years ago...but there is a very distinctive diffrence int he WP you get at Walmart & WP you get from Penny's...one looks more like Disney's Pooh and the other looks more like the ORIGINAL Pooh from the books.

Just my thoughts...any input?

Very nice! I agree! If it was the blanket, it would be an individual piece so easily replaced. The comforter usually comes in a set. But heck, she could buy an entire set and chuck the rest of the pieces. And you are right - there are distinctly different Pooh designs - Classic Pooh and Pooh.

[Calla]

I think her parents at this point might want her to confess. Can you imagine how different this whole thing would have been if she would have confessed to an accident from the very beginning? She would have started her prison sentence by now and might have gotten out when she was still young enough to make some sort of life for herself. I agree that Baez has not done her any favors. I really think his best bet would have been to get her a deal early on. I can't even imagine what a circus it will be if this goes to trial.

I have thought about that so many times.

But then she is the "not my fault" girl.

[legalmania]

I think her parents at this point might want her to confess. Can you imagine how different this whole thing would have been if she would have confessed to an accident from the very beginning? She would have started her prison sentence by now and might have gotten out when she was still young enough to make some sort of life for herself. I agree that Baez has not done her any favors. I really think his best bet would have been to get her a deal early on. I can't even imagine what a circus it will be if this goes to trial.

They offered her full immunity. She could have just been charge with the checks and whatever money she took.

[Motomom]

I don't know if the blanket Nancy was talking about is the one that was found with the body,and I don't know if it comes in that particular set,but my Grandson had a blanket for preschool that was Diego,that was a soft fabric that was almost furry,and I washed that every week.

I'm sure Diego carried alot of germs being as it was at preschool with your grandson. It may have needed washing more often than say a comforter on a crib. Depending on the thickness of said comforter, not something I used to cover the kids with. I preferred something lighter, loser etc. They could be using blanket in general terms.. Or it could be that NG was making more out of it.

[coffee1950j]

As far as Casey showing up on Friday, I thought Judge S made it VERY clear to both JB and her that she does NOT have a choice from now on?

Mandatory means mandatory.

[Katprint]

Actually the bet should extend if Casey is going to show. I heard that she doesn't want to come and Baez even with the judges order says she doesn't have to? Is that crazy or what.
I read Baez' objection to that order. It is very ironic that his major complaint about how the media portrays Casey's physical appearance is something that is completely within his ability to change. He should be arranging for Casey to show up in court dressed in a professional-looking skirted suit, maybe in a nice blue (as frequently recommended by jury consultants) which imparts the appearance of being trustworthy, dependable and committed. Some thing like this: http://www.dillards.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=301&langId=-1&storeId=301&productId=501768982&N=1590670&searchUrl=%2Fendeca%2FEndecaStartServlet%3FN%3D159 0670&R=02875313

OJ, Robert Blake and Phil Spector were all dressed very nicely for all their court appearances. By and large, the media photos of them in the courtroom could be published in GQ. Baez' other motions (including the unfiled contemplated motion for a change of venue) reflect his awareness that the pool of potential jurors is being exposed to the unflattering images of Casey in her jailhouse jumpsuit, so why doesn't he do what is easily within his power to remedy this situation?

I think Baez' real concern, however, is that if Casey attends the court appearances as ordered, she will become aware of how her legal situation is deteriorating and how Baez has not been keeping her as fully informed as she believes.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[steffaroob4]

The more I think of those tips Baez never paid for and picked up, the more I wonder why...
You ask me, if the would be a report of a gray car near that area, that would be a great feather in the defense's cap. Why hasn't Baez lead-footed it over to pick up those tips? With the deputy screw up, one would think he would want to see how many similar tips lead to that area. Those tips would be a gold mine, if I was part of the defense team.

[playnice]

Or Dominic Casey:sneaky:

:biggrin::biggrin:

[Calla]

As far as Casey showing up on Friday, I thought Judge S made it VERY clear to both JB and her that she does NOT have a choice from now on?

Mandatory means mandatory.

Well not really
I have been to many a 'mandatory' meeting at work only to look around and see someone wasn't there..argh!! I hate that

[sailordog]

I read Baez' objection to that order. It is very ironic that his major complaint about how the media portrays Casey's physical appearance is something that is completely within his ability to change. He should be arranging for Casey to show up in court dressed in a professional-looking skirted suit, maybe in a nice blue (as frequently recommended by jury consultants) which imparts the appearance of being trustworthy, dependable and committed. Some thing like this: http://www.dillards.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=301&langId=-1&storeId=301&productId=501768982&N=1590670&searchUrl=%2Fendeca%2FEndecaStartServlet%3FN%3D159 0670&R=02875313

OJ, Robert Blake and Phil Spector were all dressed very nicely for all their court appearances. By and large, the media photos of them in the courtroom could be published in GQ. Baez' other motions (including the unfiled contemplated motion for a change of venue) reflect his awareness that the pool of potential jurors is being exposed to the unflattering images of Casey in her jailhouse jumpsuit, so why doesn't he do what is easily within his power to remedy this situation?

I think Baez' real concern, however, is that if Casey attends the court appearances as ordered, she will become aware of how her legal situation is deteriorating and how Baez has not been keeping her as fully informed as she believes.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I believe Jose has no control over her clothes until trial. For now, it's up to the jail's discretion. At least that was the case during OJ's trial - he wanted to wear street clothes and the jail said "no."

[Lapis]

She would be in contempt if she does not show right? Or maybe not since there's pending motions about it filed by Baez.

Anyone?

The last order issued by the court is that she is to attend. Absent a court order to the contrary she must attend. If the motion is heard on Friday and she wins then it would apply to all further proceedings. IMO

[coffee1950j]

Well not really
I have been to many a 'mandatory' meetings at work only to look around and see someone wasn't there..argh!! I hate that

IMO, work and court per a judge's orders are two different things.

[Janz]

They offered her full immunity. She could have just been charge with the checks and whatever money she took.

Didn`t know it was FULL immunity, I thought it was LIMITED immunity.:confused:

[playnice]

As far as Casey showing up on Friday, I thought Judge S made it VERY clear to both JB and her that she does NOT have a choice from now on?

Mandatory means mandatory.

Baez didnt get that the first time:shrug:

[summer4meplz]

I can't bring myself to watch Greta anymore... regarding this case.

Its like there is a huge chunk of information that Greta doesn't have.

Am I missing anything by not watching her show?



Yes, you are....Fuhrman's breaking news tonight is that Anthony Lazzaro picked casey up at amscot's when her car either broke down or ran out of gas........

[Motomom]

They offered her full immunity. She could have just been charge with the checks and whatever money she took.

I don't believe they offered her full immunity. I thought it was LIMITED immunity which would be different.. unless i made it up and I could have LOL. I believe there is a difference, but she would have maybe garnered more sympathy. At this point I think she has.. none. There were even people on the board that believed it was an accident untill.. little Caylee was found with duct tape around her mouth and hair. Making certain that she couldn't get the tape off. No matter how much she tried, she wouldn't have been able to get that tape off.. .see then it turns in to cold blooded murder. So you are right, even with partial or limited immunity, whatever it is, that was her best chance. Now, an accident theory would never fly.. and she gets even less sympathy of you could get less that none..

[i_pickle]

Yeah but Cindy 'yelled' it . She might be a liar but that does not make her a murderer.

I see her point..but on the flip side, I don't know of many murderers who do not lie. I am sure there is one, I just don't know about them.If the reports are true that Conway is now saying that the A's "just don't know" if Casey did this and they start to withdraw their claims that she's innocent...and their denial was based soley on their love for Casey, will that mean they no longer love her?

[newsjunkie]

I read Baez' objection to that order. It is very ironic that his major complaint about how the media portrays Casey's physical appearance is something that is completely within his ability to change. He should be arranging for Casey to show up in court dressed in a professional-looking skirted suit, maybe in a nice blue (as frequently recommended by jury consultants) which imparts the appearance of being trustworthy, dependable and committed. Some thing like this: http://www.dillards.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=301&langId=-1&storeId=301&productId=501768982&N=1590670&searchUrl=%2Fendeca%2FEndecaStartServlet%3FN%3D159 0670&R=02875313

OJ, Robert Blake and Phil Spector were all dressed very nicely for all their court appearances. By and large, the media photos of them in the courtroom could be published in GQ. Baez' other motions (including the unfiled contemplated motion for a change of venue) reflect his awareness that the pool of potential jurors is being exposed to the unflattering images of Casey in her jailhouse jumpsuit, so why doesn't he do what is easily within his power to remedy this situation?

I think Baez' real concern, however, is that if Casey attends the court appearances as ordered, she will become aware of how her legal situation is deteriorating and how Baez has not been keeping her as fully informed as she believes.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I have always understood that you can only wear street clothes to court if your in front of a jury or out on bail.
An incarcerated defendant stays in jumpsuit and shackels otherwise. NO?

[coffee1950j]

Baez didnt get that the first time:shrug:

Maybe that was when he was having his little "tete a tete" with his client so he wasn't listening?

[jammies]

I wouldnt be surprised...

just seems a little too convenient for my liking... and considering that it's the Ant's we're talking about.... well... nuff said :sneaky:


He's sly like a fox. I think he likes to play the fool. He sure was smart enough to get out of working for umpteen years, live off his wife, disability, whatever. Smart enough to get his wife to bail him out when he got them into debt. Nice work if you can get it!

Something has never sat right with me about him. His innocent wringing of hands, buddying up to police, et al just seems "fake" in so many ways. IMO

[sailordog]

Didn`t know it was FULL immunity, I thought it was LIMITED immunity.:confused:

Me too - limited meaning they wouldn't hold the information she gave during the meeting against her. Of course, that meant that any OTHER evidence they found they WOULD hold against her.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, you are....Fuhrman's breaking news tonight is that Anthony Lazzaro picked casey up at amscot's when her car either broke down or ran out of gas........

:laugh::laugh:

[WillowInFlight]

If the reports are true that Conway is now saying that the A's "just don't know" if Casey did this and they start to withdraw their claims that she's innocent...and their denial was based soley on their love for Casey, will that mean they no longer love her?

I think they will always love her.

[Calla]

IMO, work and court per a judge's orders are two different things.

yep I know..just being cute..then I guess I wasn't:mellow:

What's a few contempt charges at this point?

[legalmania]

I read Baez' objection to that order. It is very ironic that his major complaint about how the media portrays Casey's physical appearance is something that is completely within his ability to change. He should be arranging for Casey to show up in court dressed in a professional-looking skirted suit, maybe in a nice blue (as frequently recommended by jury consultants) which imparts the appearance of being trustworthy, dependable and committed. Some thing like this: http://www.dillards.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=301&langId=-1&storeId=301&productId=501768982&N=1590670&searchUrl=%2Fendeca%2FEndecaStartServlet%3FN%3D159 0670&R=02875313

OJ, Robert Blake and Phil Spector were all dressed very nicely for all their court appearances. By and large, the media photos of them in the courtroom could be published in GQ. Baez' other motions (including the unfiled contemplated motion for a change of venue) reflect his awareness that the pool of potential jurors is being exposed to the unflattering images of Casey in her jailhouse jumpsuit, so why doesn't he do what is easily within his power to remedy this situation?

I think Baez' real concern, however, is that if Casey attends the court appearances as ordered, she will become aware of how her legal situation is deteriorating and how Baez has not been keeping her as fully informed as she believes.

katprint
Always only my own opinions

That's the prefect outfit for her. Baez is really messing things up, he wants the prosecution to recuse themselves, and I guess all the evidence thrown out. I have seen some bad attorneys but Baez is in his own category. Maybe Baez doesn't want her there because when she sees all the evidence against her she's gonna freak out. He needs to prepare his client not keep her in the dark.

[need2no]

I'm right there with you. About the clothes too.

Baez doesn't have an option regarding casey's clothes.

From the Inmate Handbook:

PERSONAL CLOTHING:
Court clothes are only accepted before your jury trial. If you are scheduled for a jury trial, you may have court clothes brought to the facility in which you are housed. You are limited to storing one (1) set of court clothing in the property room, unless special provisions are made by your attorney and approval is received from the Department of Detention. At no time is court clothing allowed to be stored in your cell. The Inmate Property Unit is responsible for approving court clothing requests. Sneakers and boots are not accepted as court clothing.

Court clothes may be delivered to the DOD facility, where you are being housed, twenty-four (24) hours a day, seven days a week. You may obtain your court clothing on the evening before your court appearance by letting the alpha shift deputy know that you are required to wear court clothes in the morning. Court clothing cannot be borrowed or exchanged. Personal court clothing cannot be worn except during the time you are in court for a jury trial.
Violation of this rule may result in disciplinary action.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:G_77CkDYoFYJ:sheriff.org/about_bso/dodcc/info/Inmate_Handbook.pdf+can+inmates+choose+to+wear+str eet+clothes+to+court+hearings+in+FL&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

[Janz]

Me too - limited meaning they wouldn't hold the information she gave during the meeting against her. Of course, that meant that any OTHER evidence they found they WOULD hold against her.

thanks for confirming, sailor. Can you imagine the outrage if she was offered full immunity?

[Katprint]

I believe Jose has no control over her clothes until trial. For now, it's up to the jail's discretion. At least that was the case during OJ's trial - he wanted to wear street clothes and the jail said "no."
Maybe it depends on the jail. IIRC Scott Peterson was permitted to wear street clothes brought by his private attorney (once he got a private attorney instead of the public defender).

I know that OJ was not permitted to wear street clothes at his robbery sentencing, and generally defendants who have been convicted and taken into custody are not permitted to wear street clothes at post-conviction hearings. However, I was under the impression that OJ was permitted to wear street clothes at his murder pretrial hearings despite being in no-bail pretrial custody (it has been a long time, and my memory may have faded a bit, but I was doing legal commentary for KSTE radio and I was paying attention...) and I know for a fact that OJ wore street clothes to the robbery pretrial hearings although of course he was out on bail for those.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Dells]

Why is it the ones complaining about the media the loudest are the ones giving the media interviews every time?

Baez doesn't want this tried in the media. He says while being interviewed on national television.

Conway asks the public to give George his privacy. He says on the local news station while giving as much detail about George's 'condition' as he possibly can.

So true!:thumbup:

[Motomom]

Me too - limited meaning they wouldn't hold the information she gave during the meeting against her. Of course, that meant that any OTHER evidence they found they WOULD hold against her.

She knew what they would find when they found Caylee, namely duct tape with a heart shaped sticker. She must have figured on taking her chances. They gave her the out for an accident IMO but she couldn't take it. Because once they found the baby in that condition, all bets were off imo

[sailordog]

if she did buy a whole new set it would probably have totally different batch/dye numbers etc than a set she would have bought a couple years back when Caylee was a baby.

I know when i worked in retail we would often have popular items that we carried for years but the identifying information from the manufacturer would be different when a LOT number would change because it was from a different dye batch etc.

If they bought a new set and think they can pass it off as a set from 2-3 years ago I'm afraid they'll be sadly surprised when the information doesnt match to any set that was available at that time and only became available 4-5 months ago :wink:

Even without that information, they can test the dye on the items and the amount of fade will be clearly different. It will be very easy for them to show the difference between old and new items. I'm also betting the blanket found with Caylee will have dog hairs on it - specific to the Anthony dogs.

[Neffy]

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
1/27/2009 A ORANGE COUNTY CORRECTIONS MOTION FOR CLARIFICATION REGARDING DEFENDANT'S ATTENDANCE IN COURT
1/28/2009 A AMENDED MOTION TO COMPEL DNA BENCH NOTES/REPORTS AND STANDARDS FILED
1/28/2009 A AMENDED NOTICE OF HEARING FILED

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

:seeya: TY!

Clarification hmmmm. So whose wants to call Baez and his staff of 40 to clarify what Judge Strickland ruled :w00t:

[RiverWalk]

I think Biaz thinks the ham would smell like decomp? OMG how pathetic is this?

Dr. Lee said the same thing

LEE: Here, that`s -- you know, I`m a scientist. I only can address some scientific issue. I cannot speculate. Decomposition, because the trunk -- don`t forget, I looked at not only the car. Also looked at the liner, the carpet. Also looked at the content of the material. And I don`t know anybody informed me or not -- there are a lot of garbage was collected. A lot of material was collected from the trunk.

GRACE: Like what?

LEE: Like what? Like food, like meat, like pizza box, like cheese, like ham, box (ph) of soda, and all different material in there. So basically, a lot of maggots and a lot of insects, all kind of material mixed together. So I cannot really elaborate too much on what I found because this is an active case. I cannot really reach a conclusion at this moment.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/17/ng.01.html

[dixie77]

My thoughts on George's 'motel excursion' are definitely not mainstream, from what I have seen here.

I do believe George never intended to commit suicide. I'll leave it at that.
=======================

I'm totally with ya on this, Sharkie.

[Motomom]

if she did buy a whole new set it would probably have totally different batch/dye numbers etc than a set she would have bought a couple years back when Caylee was a baby.

I know when i worked in retail we would often have popular items that we carried for years but the identifying information from the manufacturer would be different when a LOT number would change because it was from a different dye batch etc.

If they bought a new set and think they can pass it off as a set from 2-3 years ago I'm afraid they'll be sadly surprised when the information doesnt match to any set that was available at that time and only became available 4-5 months ago :wink:


But do you think CA would be thinking or Casey would be thinking that? I don't think they would.. I think it would get washed and washed so it didn't look so new..iykwim?

[MrsHudson]

One thing I find interesting is that Cindy never seemed to doubt that Casey was fine, even though she had concerns about Caylee. I think that's very telling about what CA truly knows about her daughter. Whether she admits it or not.

Oooooh! That was a good insight!

[sailordog]

She knew what they would find when they found Caylee, namely duct tape with a heart shaped sticker. She must have figured on taking her chances. They gave her the out for an accident IMO but she couldn't take it. Because once they found the baby in that condition, all bets were off imo

And don't forget, she was always confident that Caylee was "in a safe place" - she truly thought she would outsmart them all and Caylee would never be found.

[Oregongal]

.... probably not, but my gut feeling is asphyxiation from having duct tape across her face cutting off oxygen. She could have also choked to death from fluid in her mouth and lungs.

I think the chloroform was in the trunk of the car so that people could use it to have fun at one the parties Casey attended. If this is so, then hopefully this information will come out at the trial. It is a complete mystery why young people would use chloroform to have fun but then they also raid the medicine cabinet to pop all kinds of meds too.

Please don't ask me for a link, but one of the side effects of chloroform is nausea and vomiting. It could very well be that Caylee could have choked to death on her vomit after Casey chloroformed her and duct taped her.
No excuse. No accident tho. FGS what mother chloroforms her baby and then duct tapes her mouth on accident?
No mother that I know personally thank God!!!

[Calla]

I think you'd better wish for pigs to fly, Calla. :wink:

Ummm I have a flying pig hanging in my house.:wink: Although I may use the term "shocked' on occasion. I rarely ever truly am.
I believe in miracles.

[i_pickle]

I think they will always love her.Imo, their denial wasn't out of love in the first place. But there are some that believe it is.

My question is, if they change their tune (which I think they may) does that mean they no longer love her?

[WillowInFlight]

Apparently old ham and cheese can mimic the smell of human decomposition. :rolleyes:

Well then Cindy should have used that line instead of blaming the pizza which didn't exist.

[Motomom]

And don't forget, she was always confident that Caylee was "in a safe place" - she truly thought she would outsmart them all and Caylee would never be found.

exactly.. she knew her goose was cooked once they found Caylee. ..but without her she had a chance.. even if it was only in her head.

[MrsHudson]

I don't find it odd, she had proof Casey was fine by talking to her, she never got to talk to Caylee so she didn't know.

It is odd because Cindy did not believe Casey when Casey told her Caylee was okay. Cindy had doubts that Casey would take good care of Caylee.

[CC I See]

The hole that was dug in the back yard is interesting too. Guess she borrowed the shovel to dig dirt afterall. (Thanks Lenny - ya got that one wrong too!)
.... guess Dr. Kobi was wrong about the dogs, they did hit on decomp and not some other dog's scent like he was suggesting. Suggesting that the dogs, both of them could be WRONG ! She must have laid Caylee's poor body in the yard long enough to leave a scent while she attempted to dig the hole. When she found how hard that was going to be, she put her in the trunk until she was able to leave her at the location where she was later found.

BTW: Where is Dr. Kobi anyway?

[WillowInFlight]

Imo, their denial wasn't out of love in the first place. But there are some that believe it is.

My question is, if they change their tune (which I think they may) does that mean they no longer love her?

Oh I see what you are asking, no, I don't think it necessarily means that.

[sailordog]

Imo, their denial wasn't out of love in the first place. But there are some that believe it is.

My question is, if they change their tune (which I think they may) does that mean they no longer love her?

I don't think they protect her out of love as much as they do out of fear of their own reputations. If it gets out that she's bad, they look bad. Cindy never wants to look like a failure.

[summer4meplz]

Even without that information, they can test the dye on the items and the amount of fade will be clearly different. It will be very easy for them to show the difference between old and new items. I'm also betting the blanket found with Caylee will have dog hairs on it - specific to the Anthony dogs.


the little dogs would be so happy to know they helped their little baby that they must miss with all their little doggy hearts....talk about unconditional love.....

[WillowInFlight]

It is odd because Cindy did not believe Casey when Casey told her Caylee was okay. Cindy had doubts that Casey would take good care of Caylee.

Well once again Cindy failed to act on her doubts.

[Oregongal]

I want in on some of this action! I bet neither Cindy nor George will be there. But I don't want to be right - I am already right most of the time - what I want is a virtual box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

:lol:
You funny lady!
Yes, you are. And appreciated all of the time as far as I'm concerned.
Sending Kat a virtual tiny box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

[Motomom]

It is odd because Cindy did not believe Casey when Casey told her Caylee was okay. Cindy had doubts that Casey would take good care of Caylee.

Yep.. who would watch the angel now? Isn't that what she said in her July 3rd blog?

[Calla]

If the reports are true that Conway is now saying that the A's "just don't know" if Casey did this and they start to withdraw their claims that she's innocent...and their denial was based soley on their love for Casey, will that mean they no longer love her?

I think the reports that they want to see her in private and that statement from the attorney that they "don't know if she is innocent" means nothing except they want her to go for the "accidental..I was scared " avenue.

That is all that means..and now lawyers are fighting to try to get a new prosecutor who will offer her another plea deal....

I am no lawyer so, this is just a thought I had when I heard all that

[legalmania]

Didn`t know it was FULL immunity, I thought it was LIMITED immunity.:confused:

I could be wrong, it was a long time ago, but I thought it was full immunity and I thought take it fool.

[coffee1950j]

:seeya: TY!

Clarification hmmmm. So whose wants to call Baez and his staff of 40 to clarify what Judge Strickland ruled :w00t:

:seeya: (raising hand)

I have free long distance calling. I'll do it!!!!!

[Motomom]

.... guess Dr. Kobi was wrong about the dogs, they did hit on decomp and not some other dog's scent like he was suggesting. Suggesting that the dogs, both of them could be WRONG ! She must have laid Caylee's poor body in the yard long enough to leave a scent while she attempted to dig the hole. When she found how hard that was going to be, she put her in the trunk until she was able to leave her at the location where she was later found.

BTW: Where is Dr. Kobi anyway?


I was wondering how the scent would stay there so long, or even for the dogs to pick up if she just laid her on the ground there? I hate to be gross, but do fluids leak out the entire time? Because doesn't the body break down from the inside out more so?

[sailordog]

.... guess Dr. Kobi was wrong about the dogs, they did hit on decomp and not some other dog's scent like he was suggesting. Suggesting that the dogs, both of them could be WRONG ! She must have laid Caylee's poor body in the yard long enough to leave a scent while she attempted to dig the hole. When she found how hard that was going to be, she put her in the trunk until she was able to leave her at the location where she was later found.

BTW: Where is Dr. Kobi anyway?

Right the belief is that she ran right out and dug the hole in a panic. Then thought - wait, too obvious, and ended up putting Caylee somewhere else. The hole was never used. But you are right, she may have laid her body out temporarily ... probably on a bag or blanket and that's why the scent was so limited.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by Calla
Yeah but Cindy 'yelled' it . She might be a liar but that does not make her a murderer.

I see her point..but on the flip side, I don't know of many murderers who do not lie. I am sure there is one, I just don't know about them.
====================

Ya know the old saying? If u lie, u will steal.....if u steal u will kill. Sounds like Casey to me. jmo

[Motomom]

I think the reports that they want to see her in private and that statement from the attorney that they "don't know if she is innocent" means nothing except they want her to go for the "accidental..I was scared " avenue.

That is all that means..and now lawyers are fighting to try to get a new prosecutor who will offer her another plea deal....

I am no lawyer so, this is just a thought I had when I heard all that


Could the defense go to the prosecution asking for a deal?

[Oregongal]

Its no mystery to me. People huff spray paint. Suck freon directly from the air conditioning line. Google 'choking game', if you haven't heard of that one.

A person who wants to get high usually has plenty of initiative to do so. Unfortunately.

Don't forget the canned air computer duster thing.
And I feel that Casey found a way to achieve what she wanted, however she did it....Caylee gone.
Peek a boo, now I see you, now I don't.
:cursing::flamemad:

[need2no]

I could be wrong, it was a long time ago, but I thought it was full immunity and I thought take it fool.

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's office sent an offer to Anthony's attorney Jose Baez, to discuss the possibility of limited immunity. If the defense were to agree, the deal would likely keep her words from being used against her, but would not protect her from any other information that investigators dug up and potentially could find in a criminal case. Casey hasn't said a word to investigators about little Caylee Anthony's disappearance in 21 days.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

[summer4meplz]

I want in on some of this action! I bet neither Cindy nor George will be there. But I don't want to be right - I am already right most of the time - what I want is a virtual box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I'll send you a giant box of chocolates for all your helpful postings.....:thumbsup:

but I will take the opposite side on this little wager...I think cindy will be there......

[desmom]

I think Biaz thinks the ham would smell like decomp? OMG how pathetic is this?

Been in and out the last 5 days and just have to weigh in on this....

Just a wild guess...

Jose has never smelled human decomp!

jmo

[sailordog]

Originally Posted by Calla
Yeah but Cindy 'yelled' it . She might be a liar but that does not make her a murderer.

I see her point..but on the flip side, I don't know of many murderers who do not lie. I am sure there is one, I just don't know about them.
====================

Ya know the old saying? If u lie, u will steal.....if u steal u will kill. Sounds like Casey to me. jmo

In one breath Cindy says "she may be a liar but that doesn't make her a murderer!" Then she says "I believe my daughter!" Well, if she's a liar, how can you believe her? Get yer story straight Cindy.

[Motomom]

Right the belief is that she ran right out and dug the hole in a panic. Then thought - wait, too obvious, and ended up putting Caylee somewhere else. The hole was never used. But you are right, she may have laid her body out temporarily ... probably on a bag or blanket and that's why the scent was so limited.

Which day was it that the neighbor saw her car backed into the garage? Was it the same day she borrowed the shove? Anyone remember exactly? I want to say the 18th but I'm not sure it was the same day as the shovel incident.

[i_pickle]

I don't think they protect her out of love as much as they do out of fear of their own reputations. If it gets out that she's bad, they look bad. Cindy never wants to look like a failure.I completely agree. I wish someone that believes they've protected her out of love would answer, but I don't think they will.

I'll keep asking tho because I'm really curious about how they've arrived at that conclusion...esp those that question others honesty and integrity to boot.

[summer4meplz]

Could the defense go to the prosecution asking for a deal?


that would be hard to imagine after baez asking them to be fired and investigated...

[Calla]

Originally Posted by Calla
Yeah but Cindy 'yelled' it . She might be a liar but that does not make her a murderer.

I see her point..but on the flip side, I don't know of many murderers who do not lie. I am sure there is one, I just don't know about them.
====================

Ya know the old saying? If u lie, u will steal.....if u steal u will kill. Sounds like Casey to me. jmo

OMG now you are scaring me:scared:

[Oregongal]

So far it is you and I against Landshark...and I wnat chocolates too!

Virtually sending Calla chocolates too. :smile:

[summer4meplz]

Apparently old ham and cheese can mimic the smell of human decomposition. :rolleyes:

I caught the tail end of that on greta......did dr. lee find ham? thanks

[Calla]

Could the defense go to the prosecution asking for a deal?

I have no idea..I guess they could.
But I just watch t.v. unlike some of our posters who actually know something about the law:laugh:

[sailordog]

Which day was it that the neighbor saw her car backed into the garage? Was it the same day she borrowed the shove? Anyone remember exactly? I want to say the 18th but I'm not sure it was the same day as the shovel incident.

Yes June 18th - both happened the same day.

[Katprint]

<respectfully snipped>
You are limited to storing one (1) set of court clothing in the property room, unless special provisions are made by your attorney and approval is received from the Department of Detention. ... The Inmate Property Unit is responsible for approving court clothing requests.
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:G_77CkDYoFYJ:sheriff.org/about_bso/dodcc/info/Inmate_Handbook.pdf+can+inmates+choose+to+wear+str eet+clothes+to+court+hearings+in+FL&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
IMO Baez should have made "special provisions" for Casey to wear street clothes. If he actually ever made such a request but did not receive approval by the Department of Detention then he could have filed a motion for an order requiring them to permit Casey to wear street clothes (to prevent prejudicing the jury pool in order to protect her right to a fair trial etc.) instead of trying to defy the court's order requiring her to show up in court.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[shelbar53]

Yes motomom, great post from cala as well as yours. Good questions about the blanket/comforter.
I've been wondering the same.
I would assume that LE has a way of identifying and matching said blanket to whatever they took from the house the night the remains were found. And if it is another piece of the puzzle that links Casey to the murder of Caylee it will most likely be a solid, forensic piece that fits right in to make the case against Casey a whole, complete picture.

sorry if this was posted, im just coming on. here is a pic of a pooh blanket caylee was holding.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2gt2l4j.jpg

[Janz]

I could be wrong, it was a long time ago, but I thought it was full immunity and I thought take it fool.

A lot of info to try to keep in one`s head in this case. legalmania. Yes, she should have taken the limited immunity. She thought Caylee would never be found, she was going to outsmart LE and get away with it. Evil creature!!

[Lapis]

I completely agree. I wish someone that believes they've protected her out of love would answer, but I don't think they will.

I'll keep asking tho because I'm really curious about how they've arrived at that conclusion...esp those that question others honesty and integrity to boot.

I'll take a shot. I don't think they are saying that it could be for any reason. We can't know what their motives are. I've never questioned anyone's honesty & integrity. But I don't believe I can know what anyone is thinking. JMO

[playnice]

sorry if this was posted, im just coming on. here is a pic of a pooh blanket caylee was holding.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2gt2l4j.jpg

I havent seen it. Makes me sad.

[Motomom]

Yes June 18th - both happened the same day.

Oh..well there you have it I guess. The pieces do all fit nicely together IMO. She must have realized that she couldn't dig a whole deep enough. Although that much ground dug or or disturbed, isn't much but for someone like Casey who didnt' seem to use to any kind of physical labor, she'd have realized early on she couldn't do it. So plan b...

[Calla]

I completely agree. I wish someone that believes they've protected her out of love would answer, but I don't think they will.

I'll keep asking tho because I'm really curious about how they've arrived at that conclusion...esp those that question others honesty and integrity to boot.

I don't think they protected her out of love.. if you want my input.
I think they protected her for numnerous reasons. Because they loved her, protecting her was protecting themselves..and so on so on so forth..
It could take a long answer but I don't think I am up for it..:laugh:

[playnice]

A lot of info to try to keep in one`s head in this case. legalmania. Yes, she should have taken the limited immunity. She thought Caylee would never be found, she was going to outsmart LE and get away with it. Evil creature!!

She couldnt with duct tape and a heart on it.

[MrsHudson]

Well I completely "get" why Cindy and George said the things they did.

It is indescribable what a person goes through when they are 'played' by a sociopath. Your heart makes you want to believe them, because not believeing them means major heartache..and you would rather assume, or hold out hope, that they love the same way you do, with the same conviction and commitment.
Consider that you are one of the people who intellectually knows that your spouse could cheat on you...but when the signs are there, you go into the yo-yo response of knowing it is true, but then thinking, 'there is No Way'..there must be an explanation for the phone number or phone call or late night or odd smell:rolleyes:. All of your friends will attempt to make you see..all of your family will attempt to make you see, but until you are ready to see, you won't.
I'm speaking in general because I am not one of the people who presumes innocence until prove guilty. Everyone is guilty in my eyes until proven innocent :laugh: I can't sit on a jury.

I do understand what they've done. I don't agree with them, and nothing frustrates me more than people who want to create their own truths instead of facing what is there..

In any event, I do not think the Anthonys will attend on Friday and may not until they are called to the witness stand at whatever future date that turns out to be

Not me. I don't put up with being used. I don't play mind games. I know when I am being played and I don't play back.

Oh man it burns me up to watch that last tape the way Casey played mind games with her parents. I would LOVE to confront Casey. She would hate me because she could not play me.

[Lapis]

Could the defense go to the prosecution asking for a deal?

They can always ask. JMO

[need2no]

IMO Baez should have made "special provisions" for Casey to wear street clothes. If he actually ever made such a request but did not receive approval by the Department of Detention then he could have filed a motion for an order requiring them to permit Casey to wear street clothes (to prevent prejudicing the jury pool in order to protect her right to a fair trial etc.) instead of trying to defy the court's order requiring her to show up in court.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I agree, but Baez has much to learn, and grandstanding appears to be more important to him than using common sense.

[sailordog]

Im wondering if Casey purchased a duplicate set of the winnie the pooh blanket so that Cindy wouldnt realize the blanket was gone. Those JCP receipts and purchases are really starting to make me wonder this.
I wonder, because they are talking about a SET on cnn, tonight...a winnie the pooh set.

Maybe Casey or even Cindy purchased a new one and that is what those JCP receipts were all about.
Hmmmm

BTW HI board posters!!
Kat

Yup - someone beat you to it a ways back. We agree!:smile:

[Calla]

that would be hard to imagine after baez asking them to be fired and investigated...

I think that is what is compelling him to ask they be removed. He wants to start over because Casey is going to go back to the beginning "in a backwards sort of way"

[Calla]

Virtually sending Calla chocolates too. :smile:

Where is the "fat" smiley?:confused:

[legalmania]

IMO Baez should have made "special provisions" for Casey to wear street clothes. If he actually ever made such a request but did not receive approval by the Department of Detention then he could have filed a motion for an order requiring them to permit Casey to wear street clothes (to prevent prejudicing the jury pool in order to protect her right to a fair trial etc.) instead of trying to defy the court's order requiring her to show up in court.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Maybe Baez likes a women in uniform.

[coffee1950j]

IMO Baez should have made "special provisions" for Casey to wear street clothes. If he actually ever made such a request but did not receive approval by the Department of Detention then he could have filed a motion for an order requiring them to permit Casey to wear street clothes (to prevent prejudicing the jury pool in order to protect her right to a fair trial etc.) instead of trying to defy the court's order requiring her to show up in court.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat, two paragraphs down it states ONLY for a jury trial can personal clothing be worn.

[Motomom]

The comforter on the bed is from Crown Crafts Classic Pooh Bedding Collection. The blanket she seems to be holding looks like what I have been looking at while trudging through all this pooh stuff online...from the same collection... I am still trying to find out if you can order it from JCPENNY or if they use to carry that exact collections...
http://www.stylehive.com/bookmark/Crown-Crafts-Classic-Pooh-Bedding-Collection--Sage--Target-267463

Are you sre it's the same? Do you have the picture handy of the comforter on her bed? Ikeep thinking I saw pink.. and something with a ruffle.. I could be thinking of something different though.

[i_pickle]

I think the reports that they want to see her in private and that statement from the attorney that they "don't know if she is innocent" means nothing except they want her to go for the "accidental..I was scared " avenue.

That is all that means..and now lawyers are fighting to try to get a new prosecutor who will offer her another plea deal....

I am no lawyer so, this is just a thought I had when I heard all thatSo the nanny defense has suddenly vanished as well as the accusations against her friends because...why? What changed?

I thought they were convinced she couldn't do this. And I thought that denial stemmed from the love of their daughter. If that's the case, then they must no longer love their daughter.

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to point out the folly in the excuses that some have come up with regarding their behavior.

[summer4meplz]

I think that is what is compelling him to ask they be removed. He wants to start over because Casey is going to go back to the beginning "in a backwards sort of way"


I wonder what the chances are that this will backfire on baez and HE will be the one removed for not telling his client everything she needs to know.....

[Lapis]

Kat, two paragraphs down it states ONLY for a jury trial can personal clothing be worn.

I think that is Kat's point. They would deny the request and then he could ask the court for relief from that provision which the court may be inclined to grant. JMO

[Calla]

Not me. I don't put up with being used. I don't play mind games. I know when I am being played and I don't play back.

Oh man it burns me up to watch that last tape the way Casey played mind games with her parents. I would LOVE to confront Casey. She would hate me because she could not play me.

GOOD FOR YOU!

Sounds like we have something in common.


I can be empathetic without being suckered though. I want to make that clear. Knowing how someone feels and approving of it are not the same thing:smile:

[Motomom]

So the nanny defense has suddenly vanished as well as the accusations against her friends because...why? What changed?

I thought they were convinced she couldn't do this. And I thought that denial stemmed from the love of their daughter. If that's the case, then they must no longer love their daughter.

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to point out the folly in the excuses that some have come up with regarding their behavior.

Bolding is mine. Who's behavior?

[dixie77]

For a long time i have been wondering something.........whatever manner Casey killed Caylee, how long did she wait to put this poor child in a garbage bag? Did she keep checking her pulse? Or did she (OMG i hate to even ask this but) did Casey ducttape Caylee's mouth and put her in the bag alive to die in there? I keep thining about this possibiity.
GOD BLESS YOU, LIL CAYLEE

[Motomom]

I wonder what the chances are that this will backfire on baez and HE will be the one removed for not telling his client everything she needs to know.....

You know, she trusts Baez it seems. As inept as he seems to be, she trusts him for whatever reason. Do you think he is withholding information from her? If he doesn't allow her to see anyone, if there are no letters going back and forth and the A's wanted to see her, can they do anything about it at all? I mean, who would be able to get to the bottom of whether or not Baez was telling Casey everything, not just what he deems her as wanting to know.

[Calla]

I wonder what the chances are that this will backfire on baez and HE will be the one removed for not telling his client everything she needs to know.....

Oh well, I guess it will be told to us in an impromptu news conference.. Don't you think?

[Motomom]

For a long time i have been wondering something.........whatever manner Casey killed Caylee, how long did she wait to put this poor child in a garbage bag? Did she keep checking her pulse? Or did she (OMG i hate to even ask this but) did Casey ducttape Caylee's mouth and put her in the bag alive to die in there? I keep thining about this possibiity.
GOD BLESS YOU, LIL CAYLEE

Oh I think that is very possible :crying:

[CC I See]

So the nanny defense has suddenly vanished as well as the accusations against her friends because...why? What changed?

I thought they were convinced she couldn't do this. And I thought that denial stemmed from the love of their daughter. If that's the case, then they must no longer love their daughter.

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to point out the folly in the excuses that some have come up with regarding their behavior.... the Nanny defense doesn't work any more because of the items that were found with the remains. How would the Nanny have access to the laundry bag, trash bag, and tape. The blanket and toy, Casey could say that she left them with the Nanny with Caylee, but the other items can not be so easily explained.

[i_pickle]

Bolding is mine. Who's behavior?The Anthony's behavior...George and Cindy and Lee.

[sailordog]

Hello Sailor Dog, excellent, you are all on top of it wow Im so glad that people even remember this. the boards were hopping with the info about those reciepts, and boy LE still wanted them and Cindy A had still not provided them, as of her 2nd interview. That makes me wonder was that also an attempt to cover something up?

Gosh. We will see, but all this talk of a funeral in the jail and wearing street clothes, HEY. I am sorry but this woman needs to be treated just like other prisoners and I cannot wait for the day that little Caylee
Gets Justice.

She cut her little life short, what can be given can be taken away, for Casey, she will see works both ways :D

Don't worry - all the "experts" agree there is NO way they will be allowed a prison service. No way, Jose ... (sorry, couldn't resist the obvious!)

[WillowInFlight]

I wonder what the chances are that this will backfire on baez and HE will be the one removed for not telling his client everything she needs to know.....

I think the chances are very good if he continues on the road he's on. Judge Strickland doesn't appear to put up with much.

[WillowInFlight]

'It takes two to tango.'

So he has said.:laugh:

[Motomom]

positive this is one and the same. I just rewound NG on the dvr to get a good look of the bedding to make sure

I trust ya. Must be other stuff on the bed or the dust ruffler or something that is making me think it is different.

[sailordog]

... the Nanny defense doesn't work any more because of the items that were found with the remains. How would the Nanny have access to the laundry bag, trash bag, and tape. The blanket and toy, Casey could say that she left them with the Nanny with Caylee, but the other items can not be so easily explained.

Casey made a point to tell Cindy that "Zanny" had a key. She must have known on some level that eventually, evidence could be traced back to the house. Ya gotta give it to Casey, she's always thinking one step ahead!

[Katprint]

I think that is Kat's point. They would deny the request and then he could ask the court for relief from that provision which the court may be inclined to grant. JMO
Right. A court order trumps ordinary jail regulations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Lapis]

I'll tell you what I'm thinking. :)

I think the false 'harmonious Anthony family' picture Cindy would like to portray is the main cause of the Anthony family's denial when it comes to Casey's guilt.

I believe Cindy & George know the fight on Father's Day might have been the catalyst for what Casey did to Caylee.

Hence the fact there was never any mention of said fight.

If Cindy & George had mentioned the fight during law enforcement interviews... they (Cindy & George) would have been perceived as knowing their daughter had something to do with Caylee's disappearance.

And rightfully so.

I also believe there was a fight in the house that night. I think the usual pattern was fight, Casey withholds Caylee, appeasement by parents, return to home......

I also think they withheld this from LE.

I just think that they had difficulty allowing their minds to go to the place where their daughter was a murderer. JMO

[sailordog]

Anyone have a JC Penny credit card account?? i wonder if their customer service would have a way to know if you can order discontinueds items.

She could always get one on ebay too. When my son lost his beloved discontinued security blanket ... not once, but twice ... ebay!

[summer4meplz]

Oh well, I guess it will be told to us in an impromptu news conference.. Don't you think?


I think Friday is going to be full of surprises.....I think cindy and casey will both be there.....baez might come away very disappointed and embarrassed......casey might get a realization of what an inexperienced attorney she has.....I will set my alarm....:smile:

[Lapis]

... the Nanny defense doesn't work any more because of the items that were found with the remains. How would the Nanny have access to the laundry bag, trash bag, and tape. The blanket and toy, Casey could say that she left them with the Nanny with Caylee, but the other items can not be so easily explained.

Don't forget Casey says the Nanny had a key to the house. I think they need to back away from the Nanny story cause it ain't working but they are stuck with what she said. JMO

[Motomom]

Casey made a point to tell Cindy that "Zanny" had a key. She must have known on some level that eventually, evidence could be traced back to the house. Ya gotta give it to Casey, she's always thinking one step ahead!

Actually, cindy intiated that onedidn't she? She said has anyone been in the house Casey? Caseys gee mom, I told you Zannie had a key.. paraphrased of course. so I don't know what to make of CA in regards to most of this. because here's the thing, why did she continue to give her outs in those interviews? I guess because Caylee wasn't found yet..duhhh I don't know if she'd attempt to giver her an out now. She was feeding lines to the story at that time.

[MrsHudson]

Just darn! You BEAT ME!!!!!

:) Word! :patriot:

[Heyes]

Why would George peel the labels off the pill bottles used in his "suicide" attempt. NG show reported that his suicide letter said the pills were starting to work and his writing in the note got sloppier and sloppier. However, when the police found him, he was totally coherent. Is the inference that he "set this up?" Maybe 'ole George isn't exactly the idiot we think he is. Maybe he is preparing for his own defense?

Ding, Ding, Ding....We have a winner!!!!
:thumbsup:

[Calla]

I'll tell you what I'm thinking. :)

I think the false 'harmonious Anthony family' picture Cindy would like to portray is the main cause of the Anthony family's denial when it comes to Casey's guilt.

I believe Cindy & George know the fight on Father's Day might have been the catalyst for what Casey did to Caylee.

Hence the fact there was never any mention of said fight.

If Cindy & George had mentioned the fight during law enforcement interviews... they (Cindy & George) would have been perceived as knowing their daughter had something to do with Caylee's disappearance.

And rightfully so.
Well maybe they have grown up and realized that once you make a decision, whether it is to smack the crap out of your daughter for stealing or anything else..then you will live with the consequences of your actions....and maybe now they are realizing Casey has to as well..

I just don't believe that Casey killed Caylee because of that fight. It was not the first fight they had..nor the first time she ripped somoene off..
I still think it was something weirder than that fight. I don't know what though...

[summer4meplz]

Don't worry - all the "experts" agree there is NO way they will be allowed a prison service. No way, Jose ... (sorry, couldn't resist the obvious!)


that's why I was so disappointed in Natisha Lang (?) nancy's producer because she said they were working it out.....:confused:

[Calla]

I think Friday is going to be full of surprises.....I think cindy and casey will both be there.....baez might come away very disappointed and embarrassed......casey might get a realization of what an inexperienced attorney she has.....I will set my alarm....:smile:

I will be at work..:sad:

But I am on the side that thinks Cindy will be a no show

[summer4meplz]

Actually, cindy intiated that onedidn't she? She said has anyone been in the house Casey? Caseys gee mom, I told you Zannie had a key.. paraphrased of course. so I don't know what to make of CA in regards to most of this. because here's the thing, why did she continue to give her outs in those interviews? I guess because Caylee wasn't found yet..duhhh I don't know if she'd attempt to giver her an out now. She was feeding lines to the story at that time.


actually, IIRC...casey said "remember I told you SHE had a key...and we pondered if she meant Amy or zanny......

or should I have said we "opined"?

[CC I See]

that's why I was so disappointed in Natisha Lang (?) nancy's producer because she said they were working it out.....:confused:

.... never say never. This family tends to get their way.

[WillowInFlight]

.... never say never. This family tends to get their way.

Amazing isn't it?:rolleyes:

[Lapis]

Right. A court order trumps ordinary jail regulations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Kat

I've been meaning to ask your opinion on something. Lee's attorney keeps saying that he wants the State to issue a subpeona so he will have limited immunity. In my state, since we have very limited discovery in criminal cases (no depositions w/out court order etc.) subpeonas are not issued until a trial date is set. Because of their liberal discovery rules are subpoenas issued immediately w/out a trial date?

[MrsHudson]

So, no, I don't believe that they kept up the Casey is innocent charade because they couldn't fathom that she'd do something like that. I think their reasons were more self-serving than that.

I do too and I always will. Self image and pride and the need to win at all costs played a part.

[summer4meplz]

I will be at work..:sad:

But I am on the side that thinks Cindy will be a no show


if she does go, she will probably be late so can make an "entrance" and get casey's attention.....:rolleyes:

[sailordog]

that's why I was so disappointed in Natisha Lang (?) nancy's producer because she said they were working it out.....:confused:

She isn't what I think of as an "expert" - lol!

[summer4meplz]

One thing is clear.

Judge Strickland will not be hearing or ruling on Baez' motion to remove the prosecutors.

A hearing date for that motion has yet to be announced.

I havent watched many trials...is that highly unusual for a defense attorney to try and get rid of the prosecutors? especially a defense attorney of 3 whole years who has never tried a death case?

[CC I See]

if she does go, she will probably be late so can make an "entrance" and get casey's attention.....:rolleyes:

..... she has no one to hold her hand and to steady her walk since George is unable to attend. If Lee doesn't go with her, I agree that she will be a no show.

[i_pickle]

the blanket from the home the toys from the home the stickers from the home and whatever else they found on her body. Maybe DNA is back Or her Toxicology results. I think that is what proves that this child was last in that home, on Fathers Day and that night Cindy tried to boot casey out. But I dont believe she really left, if she did she went into her room and killed Caylee in a rage and then hid her body outside in the yard the next morning. Left her there until the shovel, then moved her to The Zone a few days later. In doing so bodily fluids most likely spilled in the wheel well of her trunk. She was very sloppy.

She just didnt care. I believe that knowing that Lee was "looking for Casey" the night of July 3 in the clubs, means to me that the Anthony's may have known about that car sooner than they've told. That BS about the ticket on the door and the delay in picking up the car, and their own search in the backyard for this child, said it all for me.
That cannot be erased and most likely the entomology and dirt results will show that she was buried in the back yard, first, and then in the woods. That's what I think.
I do believe she tampered with her body, several times. As an afterthought trying to make it look like a kidnappning, using the duct tapes. Very sloppy almost as if she wanted to be caught. Which is why I think she loves the attention and also; has something to hide and is AFRAID to come to court. What a WUSS. IMO
KatI think it probably happened that way as well.

And I think the A's knew this too while they were lying to LE, the media, their supporters and each other.

[WillowInFlight]

I havent watched many trials...is that highly unusual for a defense attorney to try and get rid of the prosecutors? especially a defense attorney of 3 whole years who has never tried a death case?

NG said last night it was fairly common.

[need2no]

... the Nanny defense doesn't work any more because of the items that were found with the remains. How would the Nanny have access to the laundry bag, trash bag, and tape. The blanket and toy, Casey could say that she left them with the Nanny with Caylee, but the other items can not be so easily explained.

casey told Cindy the nanny had a key to their house. :rolleyes:

[steffaroob4]

'Caylee's Family Secrets' Featured On People Magazine (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18590888/detail.html)
Girl's Mother Remains Jailed On Murder Charges

POSTED: Wednesday, January 28, 2009
UPDATED: 10:39 pm EST January 28, 2009

[Motomom]

Well maybe they have grown up and realized that once you make a decision, whether it is to smack the crap out of your daughter for stealing or anything else..then you will live with the consequences of your actions....and maybe now they are realizing Casey has to as well..

I just don't believe that Casey killed Caylee because of that fight. It was not the first fight they had..nor the first time she ripped somoene off..
I still think it was something weirder than that fight. I don't know what though...

I think CA could have threatened to have Caylee taken from her. I think she could have been given the boot, and Caylee was left there, she could have snuck back in. She could have thought with CA's threats, if she couldn't have her, cindy wouldn't have her. I don't think it was so much as that fight that, that is just the fight that broke the camels back. There was so much more IMO, or there may not have been.. KISS.. There are a few possibilities. BUT I am thinking that she wasn't killed at the house.. because I think her body was in the trunk of the car when she backed her car up in the garage on the 18th. She tookd her body out to bury her and realized she couldn't do that. so she put her back into the trunk, then dumped her, either that day or the next. The body had been decomposing for 2.6 days if I recall, when it was in that trunk.

[Lapis]

I havent watched many trials...is that highly unusual for a defense attorney to try and get rid of the prosecutors? especially a defense attorney of 3 whole years who has never tried a death case?

Exstremely rare. IMO

[legalmania]

One thing is clear.

Judge Strickland will not be hearing or ruling on Baez' motion to remove the prosecutors.

A hearing date for that motion has yet to be announced.

Do you know if his motion for special master was ever decided?

[summer4meplz]

She isn't what I think of as an "expert" - lol!


no, not an expert but she's supposed to be a reporter.....or a nancy grace producer that keeps getting facts wrong...I can't remember what she said the other night that was so wrong.....

[Motomom]

yep exactly,,, the blanket has a smaller design all over it like the sheets

the comforter has the larger Pooh applique on it

that's why i think Nancy is mixed up when she keeps showing the comforter but referring to the blanket

they look totally different

Is the transcript up yet? I'd like to see the comments she made in regards to it being on teh bed. Do you remember what it was she said? I thought she said..yeah right there..that one.

[summer4meplz]

and how did Cindy start that conversation??

I'm trying to remember exactly what she said... didnt she ask Casey if anyone had a key? or does she only say "has anyone been in our house"? and then Casey makes the statement that "I told you months ago that she had a key"


IIRC it was the first question....something about has anyone been in our house because I believe casey was the first to say the word key....fast thinkers aren't they......:sneaky:

[legalmania]

Exstremely rare. IMO

In my eight years working as a paralegal I have never run across a motion like this. I have seen judges recuse themselves, but not the prosecutors.

[MrsHudson]

I want in on some of this action! I bet neither Cindy nor George will be there. But I don't want to be right - I am already right most of the time - what I want is a virtual box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I throwing in with Katprint. They won't be there. But I want a Heath bar if I am right.

[sailordog]

no, not an expert but she's supposed to be a reporter.....or a nancy grace producer that keeps getting facts wrong...I can't remember what she said the other night that was so wrong.....

Exactly - that's why IMHO - she doesn't "count!" :biggrin:

[Pat]

I heard the FL lawyer on HLN this evening discussing Baez's lack of experience is quite obvious in the way he is handling the case, and she said there is a real danger here. I wasn't sure if she was saying he is perilously close to being removed now, or if she was talking about it being an appeals issue due to ineffective counsel.

What is the usual procedure to remove a lawyer who obviously isn't acting in his clients best interest, for whatever reason. In other words, who takes the first step to have him removed? The judge presiding over the case? Can someone else step in and and ask the judge to have Baez removed?

TIA

I'm holding out a virtual carton of Godiva ice cream...with a Godiva chocolate-dipped spoon for either of our lawyers who would care to answer.

[Motomom]

yes exactly motomom

Cindy initiated that little exchange and i have been suspect of that all along because it sorta came out of left field and it didnt seem to me like it "clicked" with Casey immediately and then it registers and she acknowledges telling Cindy that.

stunk to high heaven :rolleyes:

Yep yep.. she recovered quickly though, I'll give her that. There were a few other things too CA said that visit that were leading IMO

Once CA figured out that baby was dead, when she started not believing that Casey could kill her own child, she wanted to hear something. She wanted something to make sense..

[CC I See]

casey told Cindy the nanny had a key to their house. :rolleyes:... and that was OK with Cindy? I don't think so. I think she would have George change the locks if she really thought a stranger had a key to her home. Besides, we only have Cindy's word that Casey said this and we know what that is worth. It's called damage control.

[coffee1950j]

I think that is Kat's point. They would deny the request and then he could ask the court for relief from that provision which the court may be inclined to grant. JMO

The way I read it is: the atty can ask for relief that more than 1 set of personal clothing be allowed in the property room to be worn for the jury trial.

But that prison garb must be worn for non-jury trial attendance.

I admit, I could be wrong, that is just my interpretation of it.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by Katprint
I want in on some of this action! I bet neither Cindy nor George will be there. But I don't want to be right - I am already right most of the time - what I want is a virtual box of Lady Godiva chocolates.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
=====================================

I'm with u. George will probably still be in the hospital and Cindy will be with him. jmo

[need2no]

Is the transcript up yet? I'd like to see the comments she made in regards to it being on teh bed. Do you remember what it was she said? I thought she said..yeah right there..that one.

No, the transcripts usually show up around 1am.

Here's a pic of Caylee's bed with the comforter:


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/anthony-cayleesbed.jpg

[Katprint]

One thing is clear.

Judge Strickland will not be hearing or ruling on Baez' motion to remove the prosecutors.

A hearing date for that motion has yet to be announced.
Geez, did Baez forget to schedule the hearing on a motion AGAIN? He did that last fall, too.

Motions that are never heard by the judge, cannot be granted by the judge who did not hear them. And a motion to remove the prosecutors is not the kind of unopposed ex parte application that can be granted without a hearing. Why does he file these motions if he doesn't actually want the judge to HEAR and GRANT his motions?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Calla]

I think CA could have threatened to have Caylee taken from her. I think she could have been given the boot, and Caylee was left there, she could have snuck back in. She could have thought with CA's threats, if she couldn't have her, cindy wouldn't have her. I don't think it was so much as that fight that, that is just the fight that broke the camels back. There was so much more IMO, or there may not have been.. KISS.. There are a few possibilities. BUT I am thinking that she wasn't killed at the house.. because I think her body was in the trunk of the car when she backed her car up in the garage on the 18th. She tookd her body out to bury her and realized she couldn't do that. so she put her back into the trunk, then dumped her, either that day or the next. The body had been decomposing for 2.6 days if I recall, when it was in that trunk.

Maybe you are right about how she went about disposing of her.

And remember it was reported that George had expressed wanting Casey and Caylee out of the house..and he expressed regret to Casey about maybe being too hard on her.

And Casye mentioned their relationship being strained or something. Maybe George threw her out...not Cindy. Then again, I don't know.

I need to go to bed though.

Nite all!!!!!!

[sailordog]

IIRC it was the first question....something about has anyone been in our house because I believe casey was the first to say the word key....fast thinkers aren't they......:sneaky:

I remember it as her saying "Has anyone been in our house?" And it went on from there.

[Katprint]

I throwing in with Katprint. They won't be there. But I want a Heath bar if I am right.
I'll give you some of my virtual Godiva chocolates if I can have a bite of your virtual Heath bar. 'Cause you KNOW we're going to win.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[summer4meplz]

I trust ya. Must be other stuff on the bed or the dust ruffler or something that is making me think it is different.

part of the bumper is ruffly.....it was kinda sticking out of one of the evidence bags....maybe....

[Lapis]

The way I read it is: the atty can ask for relief that more than 1 set of personal clothing be allowed in the property room to be worn for the jury trial.

But that prison garb must be worn for non-jury trial attendance.

I admit, I could be wrong, that is just my interpretation of it.

You may be right that's what the manual says. However, an attorney can always go into court and ask for relief. if the judge agrees that a valid reason exists to relax the rule then the judg'e order trumps the manual. Here, if he is concerned about pretrial publicity because of her wearing prison blues, the court could allow her to wear civies. Remember this is not the usual case. IMO

[MiamiNice1]

It's called a modified limited hangout.


Had to Google that, MrsHudson! Wow. Spot on! Learn something new everyday! This said everything I wanted to say but couldn't! Thanks! :read:

The strange wording of the Anthonys saying they "don't know" if Casey is innocent......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

"A limited hangout is a form of deception, misdirection, or coverup often associated with intelligence agencies involving a release or "mea culpa" type of confession of only part of a set of previously hidden sensitive information, that establishes credibility for the one releasing the information who by the very act of confession appears to be "coming clean" and acting with integrity; but in actuality by withholding key facts is protecting a deeper crime and those who could be exposed if the whole truth came out. In effect, if an array of offenses or misdeeds is suspected, this confession admits to a lesser offense while covering up the greater ones."

[need2no]

... and that was OK with Cindy? I don't think so. I think she would have George change the locks if she really thought a stranger had a key to her home. Besides, we only have Cindy's word that Casey said this and we know what that is worth. It's called damage control.

It was stated in a jail interview.

I kept waiting on Cindy to go off about that..or at least ask casey WHY the nanny would have a key to their home. Then I decided the whole thing may have played out the way Cindy intended...she kind of put the thought in casey's head to say that ON TAPE. They needed someone else to have access to their home, and everything in it.

[summer4meplz]

... and that was OK with Cindy? I don't think so. I think she would have George change the locks if she really thought a stranger had a key to her home. Besides, we only have Cindy's word that Casey said this and we know what that is worth. It's called damage control.


it was on one of the jailhouse tapes....but casey said SHE has a key not zanny.....I remember this because we talked forever one day on if SHE meant zanny or amy....

[Motomom]

... and that was OK with Cindy? I don't think so. I think she would have George change the locks if she really thought a stranger had a key to her home. Besides, we only have Cindy's word that Casey said this and we know what that is worth. It's called damage control.

No, casey said that in one of her jailhouse videos. CA asked her if anyone had been in their house, Casey responded with I told you she had a key.

[Oregongal]

sorry if this was posted, im just coming on. here is a pic of a pooh blanket caylee was holding.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2gt2l4j.jpg

Thanks shel.
I'm waaay behind here, lost my wireless sig, had to go to dial up :crying:
Running like crazy to catch up to you all.

[summer4meplz]

but that doesnt explain the trunk of her car

and i bet there are trunk carpet fibers or other trace evidence from the trunk on or in things that were in the bag with Caylees remains.

Is she gonna say that Zanny had her car too? :rolleyes:


cindy did ask her a weird question something like...."why do you think she didn't get the car?:" iirc

[Motomom]

No, the transcripts usually show up around 1am.

Here's a pic of Caylee's bed with the comforter:


http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/anthony-cayleesbed.jpg


Thank you for the picture. I'm gonna save it.

[need2no]

I'll give you some of my virtual Godiva chocolates if I can have a bite of your virtual Heath bar. 'Cause you KNOW we're going to win.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I think Cindy has the perfect alibi and she is going to use it. Either she will be bringing George home, or taking him to a hospital closer to their home.

And Lee is busy with the Super Bowl so he won't 'be able' to make it either.

[CC I See]

It was stated in a jail interview.

I kept waiting on Cindy to go off about that..or at least ask casey WHY the nanny would have a key to their home. Then I decided the whole thing may have played out the way Cindy intended...she kind of put the thought in casey's head to say that ON TAPE. They needed someone else to have access to their home, and everything in it.

Thank you, now I remember it. You just may be right, have it on record so that when it comes up, she's covered!

[Lapis]

I heard the FL lawyer on HLN this evening discussing Baez's lack of experience is quite obvious in the way he is handling the case, and she said there is a real danger here. I wasn't sure if she was saying he is perilously close to being removed now, or if she was talking about it being an appeals issue due to ineffective counsel.

What is the usual procedure to remove a lawyer who obviously isn't acting in his clients best interest, for whatever reason. In other words, who takes the first step to have him removed? The judge presiding over the case? Can someone else step in and and ask the judge to have Baez removed?

TIA

I'm holding out a virtual carton of Godiva ice cream...with a Godiva chocolate-dipped spoon for either of our lawyers who would care to answer.

There's really not alot anyone can do. If the client doesn't want to fire the attorney, she's entitled to the counsel of her choice. The judge can try to steer counsel. I have always advised new attorneys to fess up and tell the judge they don't have much experience. You'd be surprised how much help they can be from the bench. I think that may be one reason why the judge is ordering her to appear at all these pretrial hearings so that maybe she can see for herself. Unfortunately no one seems to be able to reach Casey. The only remedy is for the trial to go forward and appeallate counsel to make the argument. That's the way it works here.

[Motomom]

part of the bumper is ruffly.....it was kinda sticking out of one of the evidence bags....maybe....

nope.. thanks to needtoknow.. here is the picture of the bed.. I knew I saw ruffles. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/anthony-cayleesbed.jpg

[Lapis]

... and that was OK with Cindy? I don't think so. I think she would have George change the locks if she really thought a stranger had a key to her home. Besides, we only have Cindy's word that Casey said this and we know what that is worth. It's called damage control.

This was at one of the jailed visits. IIRC

[sailordog]

oh yes.. they are fast on their feet that clan

tap dancing all over the place... or maybe it's a jitterbug :biggrin:

It comes from years of experience. They are professional liars. Too bad they couldn't have used their skills to make money.

[Motomom]

part of the bumper is ruffly.....it was kinda sticking out of one of the evidence bags....maybe....

I know I just responded.. someone posted that this set http://www.stylehive.com/bookmark/Crown-Crafts-Classic-Pooh-Bedding-Collection--Sage--Target-267463 that's why i was confused as to ruffles or not. Then need2no posted a picture of it.

[sailordog]

This was at one of the jailed visits. IIRC

No, Cindy told the cops that in her interview.

[MrsHudson]

Why would George peel the labels off the pill bottles used in his "suicide" attempt. NG show reported that his suicide letter said the pills were starting to work and his writing in the note got sloppier and sloppier. However, when the police found him, he was totally coherent. Is the inference that he "set this up?" Maybe 'ole George isn't exactly the idiot we think he is. Maybe he is preparing for his own defense?

Some shrink on TV said "Well maybe he was reluctant to ask for help because he did not want to appear weak." Like oh sure, drinking a six pack, snarking down some pizza, downing some pills then texting your friends that you don't want to live....that doesn't appear weak. No! That shows he had everything under control. :rolleyes:

He needed attention and to be rescued and he got what he wanted. He did it in a goofy way because he is not able to go about getting help in the mature way.

I think he's in a fight or flight mode and he chose flight. He will get some rest and some one to help him sort things out. But I cannot imagine this getting him out from under having to testify. He's going to have to face up and do it. He can do it. He has no choice.

[Oregongal]

Where is the "fat" smiley?:confused:

Don't you know? There is no fat in 'virtual' chocolate.
:biggrin: