Wednesday, January 28th - Part 2 [Archive] - Page 2

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 06:28 PM

I keep hearing about Casey in some parking lot late at night talking on her cell phone or something?

was that on the night of the 15th?

Sorry I know this is old news and I've been looking for where it is mentioned in documents but i can't find it so I thought I'd just ask.

as far as I know....Lenny is the only one that has said that....

legalmania

01-28-2009, 06:29 PM

Thats where I dont agree.

This is a very simple case, with loads of evidence pointing to one person.

People just get caught up in all the peripheral nonsense, and let it cloud the 'facts'.

Your right the only thing that Cindy and George Anthony did wrong is try to help someone they love. Caylee loved Cindy and George did you see how well behaved she was. I just wish Casey would have realized it. She had everything in the world right at her fingertips and let it slip away.

CelticDawn

01-28-2009, 06:29 PM

Thank you!!!

Will the defense use this? Will the defense tell the jury that Cindy was the last one seen with Caylee? He may plan to throw the A's under the bus so if he adds this to it will it make the jurors question it?

I dont put anything past the "esteemed" defense attorney....However....considering the other evidence, I would hope he jury would weigh it all and come up with something rational.

MrsHudson

01-28-2009, 06:31 PM

I so agree with you. thanks for posting this opinion. imo Caylee was cuddling with he papa, "are you tired papa?) I so love that video. papa 's love is so obvious, there is not one thing in that video hinting of fear. imo it would hurt ME for anyone to insinuate fear. she is cuddling with her grandma's dad, it is pure and sweet. imo also I agree Cindy had nothing to do with this horror until the day she confronted Casey. the 911 call. what I cannot understand is why did not Cindy and or George go to Fusion at closing time, to follow and or confront Casey WHERE ARE YOU STAYING , TAKE ME RIGHT THIS EFFEN MINUTE TO CAYLEE OR I WILL CALL LE. Why wait a month to find Caylee? skip the excuses, go after her. follow her. gogo

That was thier mistake. They waited for the 31 days. They should have called the police much sooner and told it like it was!

They should have called LE and said:

Our daughter is very unstable. There was a fight in our home because she stole money from us and her grandparents. She took off with our granddaugher and won't let us see her. She has no job and no money. She did not take any of her daughter's clothes and we don't know how she is putting a roof over her head. Can you help us?

See how easy? How direct? You describe the problem then ask for help. No secrets, no evasions, no excsues. NO MIND GAMES.
But maybe they wanted to protect Casey from neglect or endangerment charges. So Casey came first then Caylee.

Pruddennce

01-28-2009, 06:31 PM

What a smart and perceptive little girl to say are you tired papa.

and that was the beginning of the 'lies of her mother being revealed' thru this sweet innocent child....

very perceptive.

sad.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

eastside joe

01-28-2009, 06:34 PM

I keep hearing about Casey in some parking lot late at night talking on her cell phone or something?

was that on the night of the 15th?

Sorry I know this is old news and I've been looking for where it is mentioned in documents but i can't find it so I thought I'd just ask.

LP reported this. Late in the night of the 15th into the early morning hours of the 16th in a hotel parking lot. IIRC

Dtviewer3

01-28-2009, 06:34 PM

Your right the only thing that Cindy and George Anthony did wrong is try to help someone they love. Caylee loved Cindy and George did you see how well behaved she was. I just wish Casey would have realized it. She had everything in the world right at her fingertips and let it slip away.

The only thing they did wrong was lie, impede, accuse, hide evidence, and smear others to try to help Casey instead of letting her be held accountable for her actions.

You dont have to try to help someone get away with murder to show your love or support.......

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 06:36 PM

Your right the only thing that Cindy and George Anthony did wrong is try to help someone they love. Caylee loved Cindy and George did you see how well behaved she was. I just wish Casey would have realized it. She had everything in the world right at her fingertips and let it slip away.I disagree. Imo, Cindy and George did a lot of things wrong but I don't think either one of them murdered Caylee.

I think that Cindy used Caylee to get to Casey and vice versa. I believe they (CA & GA) loved Caylee but I also think they did her a huge disservice by covering up for her killer.

"Because they love their daughter" just doesn't work for me.

Daffodil

01-28-2009, 06:36 PM

I think that they are capable of anything, but I doubt the jury will by it. I think the state has a pretty strong case, and we haven't even heard all they have.

That is what I am hoping for. And I really think it will be the prosecution that will provide us with the "AHA" moment.

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:37 PM

That is what I am hoping for. And I really think it will be the prosecution that will provide us with the "AHA" moment.

I agree!!!!!!!!!!!

Pruddennce

01-28-2009, 06:37 PM

That was thier mistake. They waited for the 31 days. They should have called the police much sooner and told it like it was!

They should have called LE and said:

Our daughter is very unstable. There was a fight in our home because she stole money from us and her grandparents. She took off with our granddaugher and won't let us see her. She has no job and no money. She did not take any of her daughter's clothes and we don't know how she is putting a roof over her head. Can you help us?

See how easy? How direct? You describe the problem then ask for help. No secrets, no evasions, no excues. NO MIND GAMES.

and when the car was found, Cindy goes trucking back to work and tells her co-workers about the find, the incredible stories she shared a bit of that prior to the car....and those co-workers, hardly up to speed on Casey's behaviour and stories, are ALARMED: GO HOME, CALL THE POLICE.

Cindy, *Ive got work to do*

this isnt about hindsight....for Cindy and George....they knew they had the ultimate problem at that very moment, and both of them delayed calling authorities.

best regards,
Pru

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 06:39 PM

Jail Won't Allow Caylee Funeral Behind Bars
http://www.wftv.com/news/18588059/detail.html#-

Probably just another of Baez's misdirection ploys. The jail has never been asked and wouldn't allow such a thing (according to the article). I wonder if he has any time to spend working on the case, with all of the frivolous motions and useless rumors that keep appearing from his office.

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:39 PM

and when the car was found, Cindy goes trucking back to work and tells her co-workers about the find, the incredible stories she shared a bit of that prior to the car....and those co-workers, hardly up to speed on Casey's behaviour and stories, are ALARMED: GO HOME, CALL THE POLICE.

Cindy, *Ive got work to do*

this isnt about hindsight....for Cindy and George....they knew they had the ultimate problem at that very moment, and both of them delayed calling authorities.

best regards,
Pru

Makes no sense....No way would I have gone to work till I found out where my loved ones were...

Gilly

01-28-2009, 06:42 PM

I keep trying to get a screen shot at 1:31 and am failing. :cursing:

Anyone want to give it a try????

ETA link again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS648U0xTI0&feature=PlayList&p=807EBB5956963333&playnext=1&index=29

Here you are:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/gilly_billy/Extra%20Pics/131.jpg

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 06:42 PM

lonetraveler

01-28-2009, 06:43 PM

that's another thing that has confused me....I thought....before July 15....george and cindy had never heard of zanny?

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Your comment about George and Cindy not hearing about Zanny prior to July 15 also bothers me. I believe that LE has thoroughly explained to Cindy and George how their investigation had proved that the Zanny the Nanny did not exist. But, they are still clinging to the notion that Casey is telling the "truth", cough, cough, and they are still supporting her story. This bothers me more than anything that the Anthonys have done. I firmly believe that if George and Cindy had confronted Casey when she was in their home after being bailed out, that they could have found out what really happened to Caylee. But, as far as we know, the Anthonys did not even talk nor confront Casey on her numerous lies. This just fed the fire. I really believe that the case could have been closed at that point if they had just confronted their daughter and made her accept responsibility for her actions, instead, they are being stupid in dancing to Casey's tune as they have most likely have been doing for all of Casey's life. I would really like to see George and Cindy get a bit of common decency and do the right thing. I feel that Casey will never do the right thing for her daughter but I feel that Cindy and George must do the right thing or I can never feel compassion for them.

joolz

01-28-2009, 06:43 PM

No.
Some posters were having a 'my color is better than your font color' debate a day or so ago.
CW wanted it stopped.
It did.

Thank you! I remember that "debate.":rolleyes:

Heyes

01-28-2009, 06:44 PM

and when the car was found, Cindy goes trucking back to work and tells her co-workers about the find, the incredible stories she shared a bit of that prior to the car....and those co-workers, hardly up to speed on Casey's behaviour and stories, are ALARMED: GO HOME, CALL THE POLICE.

Cindy, *Ive got work to do*

this isnt about hindsight....for Cindy and George....they knew they had the ultimate problem at that very moment, and both of them delayed calling authorities.

best regards,
PruAnd.. if I may, I think Lee knew that same night when cindy stepped outside and casey said,"do you really want to know?" I think he has been covering ever since. I think all the code talk was that he was trying to locate Caylee's body. At least I think that right now, In an hour.. who know? lol

Daffodil

01-28-2009, 06:44 PM

I wonder who's fingerprints will be found on the heart sticker. If it's not Casey, then it must be a family member. I just don't want to know that a family could be that sick, that cruel, that cold.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 06:44 PM

Makes no sense....No way would I have gone to work till I found out where my loved ones were...

Especially if you knew that the smell was decomposition, which G and C both did. I would think that sheer terror would have me moving at light speed, to know that wasn't my child or grandchild I smelled.

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:46 PM

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 06:47 PM

Jail Won't Allow Caylee Funeral Behind Bars
http://www.wftv.com/news/18588059/detail.html#-They were talking about this on HLN today. The reporter said that jail officials said that no one requested this behind bars funeral.

Looks like it was just another rumor.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 06:48 PM

I wonder who's fingerprints will be found on the heart sticker. If it's not Casey, then it must be a family member. I just don't want to know that a family could be that sick, that cruel, that cold.

I hate to be the bearer of sick tidings, but do you remember 6 year old Christoper Barrios? He went missing in his own neighborhood and it turned out a family (Adult child and parents) was behind what happened to that poor child. It's disgusting, but it happens.

Pretty Leaf

01-28-2009, 06:48 PM

Thanks. I don't think any of us can ever find any logic or reason in why Casey killed Caylee. It's just inconceivable to me that a mother would hurt her child deliberately, and that's why I keep leaning toward it being an accident. But we are reasonable people... we don't think like she does. Yes, the family might be dysfunctional... but we only see them through the media, and after this horrible tragedy came to light. Maybe they were pretty normal before this happened, and probably had no idea that Casey was unstable. I would bet that Cindy wore blinders where Casey was concerned though... many mothers can't or won't see the problems with their daughters (or sons!) until it is too late. Common sense tells me that if either of them had had any suspicion this would happen, they would have taken steps to prevent it. But the sad part is... they did not have a clue!

Bolding for reference

http://humbleopinion.wordpress.com/2008/11/27/rick-plesea-and-cindys-emails/

read Rick's e-mails that basically stated Casey was pretty much trouble all her life.

I remember but do not have a link where the neighbours wanted the Anthony's to move out before any of this happened.

legalmania

01-28-2009, 06:49 PM

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 06:49 PM

Probably just another of Baez's misdirection ploys. The jail has never been asked and wouldn't allow such a thing (according to the article). I wonder if he has any time to spend working on the case, with all of the frivolous motions and useless rumors that keep appearing from his office.

I am uncertain of Baez's stand on this funeral at the jail.
It seems as if C&G, through Conway, are the only ones interested in a jailhouse service.
Has Baez mentioned it, one way or the other?
I wonder what Casey thinks of this idea?
I think that Conway is behind this idea and has put it out there for consideration to see what sort of reaction it gets.
I find it interesting that, according to the jail, no one has asked for permission for this family reunion gathering in Caylee's memory.

Motomom

01-28-2009, 06:49 PM

They were talking about this on HLN today. The reporter said that jail officials said that no one requested this behind bars funeral.

Looks like it was just another rumor.

Isn't conway the one who said this is what they were doing? Or rather, attempting to do? If the media is affecting them getting jobs and all the other terrible things the media is accused of..why would he go to that extent, claiming they are negotiating? Or maybe he didn't say it at all, I keep thinking he did. Am I wrong? Ok if he did.. I go back to my other question..WHY?

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:50 PM

They were talking about this on HLN today. The reporter said that jail officials said that no one requested this behind bars funeral.

Looks like it was just another rumor.

Wonder why Conway would tell such a fib? He should know better....

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 06:51 PM

Good Lord, me too.....I would not have touched that car till LE checked it out!!!! I surly would not have went to work!!!!!

No kidding! My God, the police would have heard me from the front porch yelling for them to come and smell the car. It just seems bizarre for her to have returned to work after that.

Daffodil

01-28-2009, 06:52 PM

I am uncertain of Baez's stand on this funeral at the jail.
It seems as if C&G, through Conway, are the only ones interested in a jailhouse service.
Has Baez mentioned it, one way or the other?
I wonder what Casey thinks of this idea?
I think that Conway is behind this idea and has put it out there for consideration to see what sort of reaction it gets.
I find it interesting that, according to the jail, no one has asked for permission for this family reunion gathering in Caylee's memory.

I think it was thrown out there to see what Casey's reaction would be. Maybe it's a way for C & G to see if Casey will see them.

rj1212

01-28-2009, 06:52 PM

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:52 PM

No kidding! My God, the police would have heard me from the front porch yelling for them to come and smell the car. It just seems bizarre for her to have returned to work after that.

Very bizarre...It's not even normal..IMO

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 06:52 PM

Wonder why Conway would tell such a fib? He should know better....

It came out of him, did it? I guess he's been taking lessons from Jose Baez.

CelticDawn

01-28-2009, 06:53 PM

Hi January!!

What I noticed about videos of Caylee are that the camera would be on her but whoever was behind the camera wouldn't really interact with her. Or it was just a tape following her around. I really didn't hear anyone interact with anyone else.

Casey did have at least one friend who also had a young child. But I don't think Casey would be the type of mom (wow, hard to put those two words together) that would go to playgroups since she was so busy as an event planner.

I have never felt that this was a loving family. It is quite obvious when you hear how Cindy taks about Casey to her friends. I just realized that Cindy doesn't like anybody. Wow, I know a few people like that. Not healthy.

I see them as using Caylee to maybe try and make themselves look bigger and better....an illusion of perfect loving people...but I STILL believe that they loved Caylee on some level.<not including Casey who just wanted what she wanted when she wanted it>.....maybe not what you or I would consider to be love....People are just wired differently I suppose...

Heyes

01-28-2009, 06:53 PM

Especially if you knew that the smell was decomposition, which G and C both did. I would think that sheer terror would have me moving at light speed, to know that wasn't my child or grandchild I smelled.

I would have called the police from the tow yard myself. Even if I give george the benefit of the doubt because the tow guy didn't freak and he went ahead and drove it home. Wouldn't you still call the police because your grandchild is missing and there's a dead body smell and inside the car is the car seat and her favorite doll? Anybody?

Nova

01-28-2009, 06:54 PM

The only thing they did wrong was lie, impede, accuse, hide evidence, and smear others to try to help Casey instead of letting her be held accountable for her actions.

You dont have to try to help someone get away with murder to show your love or support.......

Quickly sifting through the thread ... wish I could post with ya'll 24/7, this case is so riveting but most of all heartbreaking concerning Caylee.
Wasn't it the Anthonys (via Cindy as a mouthpiece) who threw ...
Jesse Grund, Local LE, FBI, Tim Miller, Lenny P., Amy, Christina and TonE under the BUS!!!!
EVERYONE but their daughter, whom IMHO they knew had a hand in Caylee's disappearance. From the moment GA smelled "that smell, you never forget" three feet from the car, that god awful smell (me paraphrasing) emminating into their home via the garage, to Cindy's comment "It smells like a dead body", they knew.
BUT EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG ... :sneaky:

Motomom

01-28-2009, 06:54 PM

I hate to be the bearer of sick tidings, but do you remember 6 year old Christoper Barrios? He went missing in his own neighborhood and it turned out a family (Adult child and parents) was behind what happened to that poor child. It's disgusting, but it happens.

Is there still a thread for him? What ever happened to that family? That was another one of those..sickest families..They should all be put to the death, but I'm all for the dp.. and I was just listening on HLN about little Riley Sawyers (wondering why the trial isn't live on ttv) Not sure if it started but I know that picking the jury went on Monday.. another sicko that should be put to death. Fred and Rose west were another mess and disgusting family. I watched an interview with their son and daughter though and they seemed to turn out normal, the poor kids. For Caylee I have to wonder if GA and CA would want her murderer punished? Would they be ok with letting the murderer walk?

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:54 PM

It came out of him, did it? I guess he's been taking lessons from Jose Baez.

Here ya go....:smile:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18578289/detail.html

Daffodil

01-28-2009, 06:55 PM

I see them as using Caylee to maybe try and make themselves look bigger and better....an illusion of perfect loving people...but I STILL believe that they loved Caylee on some level.<not including Casey who just wanted what she wanted when she wanted it>.....maybe not what you or I would consider to be love....People are just wired differently I suppose...

Maybe it was their best attempt at love? I could understand that, then again...........

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:55 PM

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 06:55 PM

Wonder why Conway would tell such a fib? He should know better....Was it Conway? I didn't know that.

The A's have TERRIBLE lawyers...all of them.

What's up with Lee's atty telling everyone in interviews that Lee may be charged with something? Lol, if I were Lee I'd fire him immediately.

That's another thing they were talking about on HLN today. The same reporter (forgot her name) also said that LE told her they had no plans on charging Lee with anything.

Inept is an understatement.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 06:57 PM

I am uncertain of Baez's stand on this funeral at the jail.
It seems as if C&G, through Conway, are the only ones interested in a jailhouse service.
Has Baez mentioned it, one way or the other?
I wonder what Casey thinks of this idea?
I think that Conway is behind this idea and has put it out there for consideration to see what sort of reaction it gets.
I find it interesting that, according to the jail, no one has asked for permission for this family reunion gathering in Caylee's memory.

Yes, I see that I was mistaken about where that came from. I suppose JB wouldn't like all of the A's to get together. Conway isn't any better about putting out tall tales, obviously, just on a different "side". I have to admit, I've never found Conway sincere.

Barbara fl.

01-28-2009, 06:57 PM

I would have called the police from the tow yard myself. Even if I give george the benefit of the doubt because the tow guy didn't freak and he went ahead and drove it home. Wouldn't you still call the police because your grandchild is missing and there's a dead body smell and inside the car is the car seat and her favorite doll? Anybody?

Yes, yes and yes...I would not have moved that car one inch.....What surprises me is that the tow company didn't call the police...The car sat in their yard for 2 weeks and the man even told George that he recognized the smell from a previous car where a man had committed suicide in.....

Somethings I just can not figure.....:confused:

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:57 PM

Was it Conway? I didn't know that.

The A's have TERRIBLE lawyers...all of them.

What's up with Lee's atty telling everyone in interviews that Lee may be charged with something? Lol, if I were Lee I'd fire him immediately.

That's another thing they were talking about on HLN today. The same reporter (forgot her name) also said that LE told her they had no plans on charging Lee with anything.

Inept is an understatement.

Here ya go..

http://www.wesh.com/news/18578289/detail.html

nana6

01-28-2009, 06:58 PM

No kidding! My God, the police would have heard me from the front porch yelling for them to come and smell the car. It just seems bizarre for her to have returned to work after that.

Hi True, I believe the reason she went to work was because her mind just could not take her where she needed to go. That is to say, I think she knew right then and there that Caylee was gone and that Casey surely must have had something to do with it. Casey, imo had been trouble to G and C all her life or at least in her teenage years to present. They ignored probably her bad behavior, let her get away with whatever and this is what they got. I did not say this is what they deserved. In no way do I think anyone deserves this. But, like others here, I think if they had been tougher on her from the beginning and called her out on lies and stealing maybe they could have had a better relationship. I believe kids no matter what age want boundries. They want parenting. If they are not going to get your attention by being good then they will get it by being bad. AND then I have seen people who have been the best parents and they just get the worst kids so go figure?

Pruddennce

01-28-2009, 06:58 PM

And.. if I may, I think Lee knew that same night when cindy stepped outside and casey said,"do you really want to know?" I think he has been covering ever since. I think all the code talk was that he was trying to locate Caylee's body. At least I think that right now, In an hour.. who know? lol

in an hour :)

well, from the inception of this case, after reading his interview and listening to him, it was obvious to me that he lied about the laptop. LE caught it....that was the start....he threw in negative remarks about Casey to infer 'see Im telling you guys everything, Im not lying"...the inappropriate laughter I do NOT believe was a nervous tick of LA. IMO

he was gone 2 hours to pick up the laptop?

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Barbara fl.

01-28-2009, 06:59 PM

Motomom

01-28-2009, 06:59 PM

Yes, yes and yes...I would not have moved that car one inch.....What surprises me is that the tow company didn't call the police...The car sat in their yard for 2 weeks and the man even told George that he recognized the smell from a previous car where a man had committed suicide in.....

Somethings I just can not figure.....:confused:

I think it took a couple days for the odor to permeat to the outside of the car. I thought (don't feel like going back to the docs) that when him and GA got to the car, they could smell a faint odor about 3 feet away (I could be jumbling other info together though) and that the wift hit them when he opened the door..and then they looked into the trunk. The car was maybe sitting in the back or somewhere that it wasn't being walked past every day...so they may not have smelled it until GA got there.

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 06:59 PM

(bolding for reference)

Me either.... something about Conway bothers me

Me too........

Dtviewer3

01-28-2009, 07:00 PM

So far everybody is guessing as to what happened. Unless you were there you don't know these things are true. If George and Cindy were guilty they would have been under arrest, until that happens I have to give them the benefit of doubt.

Geoge Anthony told LE that he told his wife he knows they have been impeding the investigation and witholding evidence.

The Anthonys attorney stated that they have not been completely truthfull.

LE has stated that they know the A's have made conflicting statements.

We have seen AND heard Cindy tell different versions of stories.

So yes, I DO know that these things are true. Well beyond a reasonable doubt.........

Regina.Lampert

01-28-2009, 07:01 PM

Yes.....I would have called the police to the tow yard..ASAP!

Me too Sis, especially with Caylee's little babyseat still in the car. I would have been extremely concerned over that. george and cynthia began the cover-up right then and there imo, for casey anthony.

Motomom

01-28-2009, 07:02 PM

No way would they want the killer to walk (if it wasn't Casey).....

I agree..but when it is proven that it is CAsey..then what? You think that they would want her to not be punished? Oh I just can't stomach that is all..

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 07:02 PM

Me too Sis, especially with Caylee's little babyseat still in the car. I would have been extremely concerned over that. george and cynthia began the cover-up right then and there imo, for casey anthony.

I think you are right....

martha

01-28-2009, 07:02 PM

I would have called the police from the tow yard myself. Even if I give george the benefit of the doubt because the tow guy didn't freak and he went ahead and drove it home. Wouldn't you still call the police because your grandchild is missing and there's a dead body smell and inside the car is the car seat and her favorite doll? Anybody?Yes honey that would have been the first thing I would have done. I would not even have moved the car I would have waited on the le to come to the tow yard and check the car. Did cindy and george clean the carup when they got her home? I was thinking they cleaned the car up at sometime.Maybe I am wrong. This case is so hard to keep up with. I don;t think they will let them have anything at the jail. If casey killed her baby she does not deserve to be at anything for caylee.jmho

cloe23

01-28-2009, 07:02 PM

They were talking about this on HLN today. The reporter said that jail officials said that no one requested this behind bars funeral.

Looks like it was just another rumor.

LOL. I actually had thoughts in my mind of Cindy, George and Lee receiving their cavity search so they could be cleared to enter an actual cell.
This private service is not going to happen, too much security. Just another spin for JB to throw out during trial and conviction of Casey Anthony.

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 07:03 PM

Here ya go..

http://www.wesh.com/news/18578289/detail.htmlWow. Both Conway and Luka were floating that story.

:huh:

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:05 PM

this is from 1:31 of the video

http://i41.tinypic.com/qoxaax.jpg

What a precious little baby doll. :rose:

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 07:05 PM

Wow. Both Conway and Luka were floating that story.

:huh:

Amazing isn't it? :angry:

Barbara fl.

01-28-2009, 07:05 PM

I think it took a couple days for the odor to permeat to the outside of the car. I thought (don't feel like going back to the docs) that when him and GA got to the car, they could smell a faint odor about 3 feet away (I could be jumbling other info together though) and that the wift hit them when he opened the door..and then they looked into the trunk. The car was maybe sitting in the back or somewhere that it wasn't being walked past every day...so they may not have smelled it until GA got there.

OK, now I understand...I thought that the tow guy told George that the car was smelling.....But if I were George, I would have never even touched that car more less drove it off the lot once I got wift of it....with my granddaughter missing, I would have called the police immediately....

Motomom

01-28-2009, 07:06 PM

Yes, I would have called the police straight away, but I would take this one step further. If I were the guy at the impound that smelled the vehicle and recognized the decomp, even if the owner drove it away, I would have ran not walked but ran straight back to the office and called the police and reported it, given them the license plate number and the names of the people that drove off in it. I can't fathom why that fellow didn't do that. :confused:

Some people aren't quick thinkers..others don't want to be involved. Everytime I hear someone say I'd have called the cops, i wouldn't have touched the car I get scared because I am not so sure I would. I'm not so sure I would be able to comprehend exactly what it meant that the car smelled like death. I mean, I just don't know.. I would second guess myself but heck I'm scared to call the cops anyways and have NO reason to be scared of that LOL

Neffy

01-28-2009, 07:06 PM

re: Keeping Casey away from Friday's hearing

JVM: CAN YOU SAY DIVA! ROFL!

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:06 PM

Is there still a thread for him? What ever happened to that family? That was another one of those..sickest families..They should all be put to the death, but I'm all for the dp.. and I was just listening on HLN about little Riley Sawyers (wondering why the trial isn't live on ttv) Not sure if it started but I know that picking the jury went on Monday.. another sicko that should be put to death. Fred and Rose west were another mess and disgusting family. I watched an interview with their son and daughter though and they seemed to turn out normal, the poor kids. For Caylee I have to wonder if GA and CA would want her murderer punished? Would they be ok with letting the murderer walk?

Baby Grace, yes, another Mother turning on her child. Sick, sick, sick. IF you don't want the child anymore, go to Child Services and say you want to terminate your parental rights. It's not that hard. Say you have a bad temper and wouldn't want to hurt the child, see how fast it is snatched away from you! Geeze, what is it with these people?

Deep Breath. The Barrios case hasn't come to trial yet, I don't think. They are asking for the DP for the man and wife, and there are some charges against the son. Mind boggling.

trich

01-28-2009, 07:06 PM

brought this over from last thread..

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
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happygert posted this;

..Its not the government it's the DAM PARENTS..BLAME EVERYONE ELSE.. NO ONE TAKES RESPONSIBILTY
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Exactly!

martha

01-28-2009, 07:06 PM

Yes, yes and yes...I would not have moved that car one inch.....What surprises me is that the tow company didn't call the police...The car sat in their yard for 2 weeks and the man even told George that he recognized the smell from a previous car where a man had committed suicide in.....

Somethings I just can not figure.....:confused:Amen I am with you on this you or so right. It does look like the tow company would have called the le too. Lee knew when he smelled the car something was wrong and how could he laugh when talking about a sweet little girl that was missing and his sister;s car smelling like that.jmho

Motomom

01-28-2009, 07:08 PM

OK, now I understand...I thought that the tow guy told George that the car was smelling.....But if I were George, I would have never even touched that car more less drove it off the lot once I got wift of it....with my granddaughter missing, I would have called the police immediately....

Also, the guy that actually towed the car had a cold that day and couldn't smell real well IIRC. I'm not sure how impound lots work, where they put the cars etc..never had a car go to impound so I'm clueless there. I just assume that it was out of the way, so nobody would have smelled it if they went back there..and depending on what else is back there, smelling that odor permeating through the car, it would have probably been faint.. so they (towyard people) could have passed it off maybe?

Pruddennce

01-28-2009, 07:08 PM

I think it took a couple days for the odor to permeat to the outside of the car. I thought (don't feel like going back to the docs) that when him and GA got to the car, they could smell a faint odor about 3 feet away (I could be jumbling other info together though) and that the wift hit them when he opened the door..and then they looked into the trunk. The car was maybe sitting in the back or somewhere that it wasn't being walked past every day...so they may not have smelled it until GA got there.

you are correct...the smell was apparent before they opened the door.

George:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf

page 23

and the tow guy said he smelled a little odor a few times while the car was there:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/13%20Simon%20Burch%20Transcript.pdf

page 12

best regards,
Pru

kitty1182

01-28-2009, 07:08 PM

re: Keeping Casey away from Friday's hearing

JVM: CAN YOU SAY DIVA! ROFL!

LOL, her hiney will be in court Friday morning.....imo

legalmania

01-28-2009, 07:09 PM

Geoge Anthony told LE that he told his wife he knows they have been impeding the investigation and witholding evidence.

The Anthonys attorney stated that they have not been completely truthfull.

LE has stated that they know the A's have made conflicting statements.

We have seen AND heard Cindy tell different versions of stories.

So yes, I DO know that these things are true. Well beyond a reasonable doubt.........

You don't know what evidence he's talking about, you don't know what they haven't been truthful about. Yes Cindy has changed her story but it has not been near enough to cause reasonable doubt.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:10 PM

re: Keeping Casey away from Friday's hearing

JVM: CAN YOU SAY DIVA! ROFL!

Gotta love the reasons. People are talking about Casey's appearance and that means she can't get a fair trial. WHAT? Because people talk about what she looks like? I'd say it's more a case of bruised ego. Too bad, but I don't see it influencing a jury. They take an oath to consider only the evidence presented in the trial. Just because that's the way they might act, is no reason for Baez and Casey to assume everyone else would do it.

martha

01-28-2009, 07:10 PM

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:10 PM

Is there still a thread for him? What ever happened to that family? That was another one of those..sickest families..They should all be put to the death, but I'm all for the dp.. and I was just listening on HLN about little Riley Sawyers (wondering why the trial isn't live on ttv) Not sure if it started but I know that picking the jury went on Monday.. another sicko that should be put to death. Fred and Rose west were another mess and disgusting family. I watched an interview with their son and daughter though and they seemed to turn out normal, the poor kids. For Caylee I have to wonder if GA and CA would want her murderer punished? Would they be ok with letting the murderer walk?

I thought about going to the Baby Riley trial since it's so close, but I don't think I will. Too brutally sad. I DO think I could go to Casey's trial though not so much to hear what happened to Caylee, but HOW. I wouldn't want to be there when they describe Caylee's condition when she was found.

Barbara fl.

01-28-2009, 07:11 PM

I agree..but when it is proven that it is CAsey..then what? You think that they would want her to not be punished? Oh I just can't stomach that is all..

I know, I feel that way also....I do believe that Cindy would want Casey to go free, no matter what she did....George might just have a different feeling about all this once he is released from the hospital...I believe that George reached his end almost and that would now cause him (with the proper therapy) to start coming back to reality...so when it comes to him, he just might want to see Casey punished for all the hurt she has caused.....as for Lee, I really can't figure him out yet or where to place him with all this....I do believe that Lee knew where the body was and he is now getting worried about that.....

JMO

Motomom

01-28-2009, 07:11 PM

LOL, her hiney will be in court Friday morning.....imo

:thumbsup:

She should be there.. everyone should have to be there.. silly to give them a right that they can hold against you IMO.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:12 PM

being an x law man he should have known not to touch anything to do with that car.he did not need to put his hands on it in any way. He knew it was the smell of death and so did cindy.I would have let le come and get it right then.Jmho

Instead, they took it home, George cleaned the car and Cindy washed all of the clothes that were inside. Go figure.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:13 PM

O/T Anyone watching the girl with the run away U-Haul on HLN? I hope this ends well.

cloe23

01-28-2009, 07:13 PM

Yes, I would have called the police straight away, but I would take this one step further. If I were the guy at the impound that smelled the vehicle and recognized the decomp, even if the owner drove it away, I would have ran not walked but ran straight back to the office and called the police and reported it, given them the license plate number and the names of the people that drove off in it. I can't fathom why that fellow didn't do that. :confused:

People just don't want to get involved.
Look what is going around with Kronk right now!
IMO Kronk is my hero, without his finding of Caylee?
Now he is getting bashed by some.
Explains to my why ppl don't want to get involved.

Daffodil

01-28-2009, 07:14 PM

I know, I feel that way also....I do believe that Cindy would want Casey to go free, no matter what she did....George might just have a different feeling about all this once he is released from the hospital...I believe that George reached his end almost and that would now cause him (with the proper therapy) to start coming back to reality...so when it comes to him, he just might want to see Casey punished for all the hurt she has caused.....as for Lee, I really can't figure him out yet or where to place him with all this....I do believe that Lee knew where the body was and he is now getting worried about that.....

JMO

I hope George has somewhere to stay when he gets out. If he goes back to that house, then he will retreat back to where he started.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:14 PM

Thanks for the link, blu.

This is all just so odd.

Conway is talking about a jailhouse funeral he has made no request for.

Baez is talking about a change of venue he's made no motion for.

Luka is talking about Lee being charged, but no charges have been filed.

:confused:

That last one really gets me. I had heard speculation of possible obstruction charges against GA,CA and LA, but the first I heard of possible tampering with evidence was from the mouth of Lee's lawyer. He should have just shot himself in the foot.(not an actual suggestion, just an old saying)

Motomom

01-28-2009, 07:14 PM

I know what you mean, about being afraid to involve the police. Once you get the police (or any outside "agency") involved, it can open up a can of worms for a person so I do understand that. The guy at the impound had made some kind of statement, though, that a man had committed suicide in one of the cars that the company impounded and that he was familiar with the smell. So when he smelled the car and was relatively certain something was familiar he should have done the right thing and called the police. He could have just said that someone just drove off with a car that smells like decomp and here is their name and address, do with this information what you wish. He would not have gotten in trouble for that, it wasn't like he was making a false report or doing anything malicious. I just think if the police had gotten their hands on that car before the Anthony's had a chance to mess around with it, there would have been alot more evidence and more importantly, maybe some mysteries solved.

Gotcha.. yes..much more evidence could have been found IMO..

O/T anyone know where jennyanydots went?

CC I See

01-28-2009, 07:15 PM

and when the car was found, Cindy goes trucking back to work and tells her co-workers about the find, the incredible stories she shared a bit of that prior to the car....and those co-workers, hardly up to speed on Casey's behaviour and stories, are ALARMED: GO HOME, CALL THE POLICE.

Cindy, *Ive got work to do*

this isnt about hindsight....for Cindy and George....they knew they had the ultimate problem at that very moment, and both of them delayed calling authorities.
best regards, Pru
(bolding to address)

I think at that point, George and Cindy were scared to death to the point that they were unable to react to the situation. I don't think it was the first time Casey has presented them with a bad situation.... they probably learned to take the wait and see approach. Hindsight is 20/20.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:15 PM

SavannahStar

01-28-2009, 07:15 PM

I don't think Caylee ever left that house alive. jmo

I am positively leaning that way. I am just not sure about WHEN she was killed.

I'll tell you why I think she was killed in the house. Back to the blanket and the laundry hamper bag......I cannot see Casey killing Caylee away from the home and coming BACK for the blanket and bag, and I also cannot see Casey sitting there thinking, "well I'm going to kill Caylee, so let me see.....what do I need....oh yeh, better bring a blanket and a hamper bag."

See what I mean?

But I do not necessarily agree with the majority that George was lying about seeing them that day. I think Casey may have come back after he left, with Caylee, and killed her then.

Lapis

01-28-2009, 07:15 PM

Yes, I would have called the police straight away, but I would take this one step further. If I were the guy at the impound that smelled the vehicle and recognized the decomp, even if the owner drove it away, I would have ran not walked but ran straight back to the office and called the police and reported it, given them the license plate number and the names of the people that drove off in it. I can't fathom why that fellow didn't do that. :confused:

You have just written the cross examination of the tow guy and George for the defense. If it was that bad Why didn't you call the police? Argument to the jury: It couldn't have been as the prosecution describes. JMO

CelticDawn

01-28-2009, 07:15 PM

Geoge Anthony told LE that he told his wife he knows they have been impeding the investigation and witholding evidence.

The Anthonys attorney stated that they have not been completely truthfull.

LE has stated that they know the A's have made conflicting statements.

We have seen AND heard Cindy tell different versions of stories.

So yes, I DO know that these things are true. Well beyond a reasonable doubt.........

they dont necessarily arrest people immediately for things like that either....especially with a murder investigation which is ongoing....they have a few eyars to decide whether to bring charges.

Neffy

01-28-2009, 07:16 PM

Gotta love the reasons. People are talking about Casey's appearance and that means she can't get a fair trial. WHAT? Because people talk about what she looks like? I'd say it's more a case of bruised ego. Too bad, but I don't see it influencing a jury. They take an oath to consider only the evidence presented in the trial. Just because that's the way they might act, is no reason for Baez and Casey to assume everyone else would do it.

That article describing Casey GEEZ you can't get more generic then what was attached. There was nothing there. Blue jail garb, flip flops. No mention of that chain dragging nothing. I think Baez is the DIVA that JVM is referring to lol (not really she was referring to Casey but Baez is being just as much of a Diva IMO)

Same ole, Baez should pay more attention to the base, he doesn't have enough experience , everything you've read here.

legalmania

01-28-2009, 07:16 PM

Yes, I would have called the police straight away, but I would take this one step further. If I were the guy at the impound that smelled the vehicle and recognized the decomp, even if the owner drove it away, I would have ran not walked but ran straight back to the office and called the police and reported it, given them the license plate number and the names of the people that drove off in it. I can't fathom why that fellow didn't do that. :confused:

Suppose it was a dead dog back there? It's not the tow truck drivers responsibility. Did he know that this was the car Caylee was in, I doubt it. It's easy to stand back and say what you would do but until it happens to you, you really don't know.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:16 PM

I have a strong feeling that "cleaning up after Casey" was the norm in that household.

It certainly seems like it.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:17 PM

Gotcha.. yes..much more evidence could have been found IMO..

O/T anyone know where jennyanydots went?

She's been in band camp, but I haven't checked in the last couple of days. Anyone hear fromILuvMyPom?

What is the hearing Friday to address?

Neffy

01-28-2009, 07:17 PM

JVM started talking about the bizarre behavior scratch that "laughing" the UNUSUAL MOTION FILINGS by Baez.

Bawahahahahaha

cloe23

01-28-2009, 07:17 PM

O/T Anyone watching the girl with the run away U-Haul on HLN? I hope this ends well.

It is on but I am still recovering from the Galveston, TX murder of that sweet lil girl.
Lot's happening right now.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:19 PM

You have just written the cross examination of the tow guy and George for the defense. If it was that bad Why didn't you call the police? Argument to the jury: It couldn't have been as the prosecution describes. JMO

The people at the tow yard don't know what happened in the car. They said they had had a car someone had committed suicide in that smelled like decomp. How would they know if LE needed to be called?

cloe23

01-28-2009, 07:19 PM

JVM started talking about the bizarre behavior scratch that "laughing" the UNUSUAL MOTION FILINGS by Baez.

Bawahahahahaha

Are you suggesting the these shows should be taped and EDITED?:laugh:

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 07:19 PM

you are correct...the smell was apparent before they opened the door.

George:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf

page 23

and the tow guy said he smelled a little odor a few times while the car was there:

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/13%20Simon%20Burch%20Transcript.pdf

page 12

best regards,
Pru

Hi Pru,,,what is your memory.....(Please don't go looking for anything just for me and my bad memory)....recollection only will do.....did george and cindy ever hear of zanny before July 15.....(I know he mentioned in the interview) but hadn't they already said they had never heard of zanny before July 15? or anyone that might remember? thanks....many thanks.....

Dtviewer3

01-28-2009, 07:20 PM

You don't know what evidence he's talking about, you don't know what they haven't been truthful about. Yes Cindy has changed her story but it has not been near enough to cause reasonable doubt.

Yes we do know things they werent truthful about. We know things they have lied about. We know evidence they have not been forthcoming about. We know of stories they have changed. We know about the hair brush incident. We know of people they have accused. We know they have smeared and accused LE.

WE know of many many things they have done to try to impede the investigation of the disappearance and than death of their little granddaughter.

I see no reason to ignore or excuse their disgusting actions..........

SavannahStar

01-28-2009, 07:20 PM

Suppose it was a dead dog back there? It's not the tow truck drivers responsibility. Did he know that this was the car Caylee was in, I doubt it. It's easy to stand back and say what you would do but until it happens to you, you really don't know.

bolding to address

Please.......:w00t: don't say that on here. MOST on here (IMO, from all posts I read) know exactly what they would do, in all circumstances. Especially if they were Cindy and George (though I know you're not talking about that).

Barbara fl.

01-28-2009, 07:20 PM

I hope George has somewhere to stay when he gets out. If he goes back to that house, then he will retreat back to where he started.

Yes, I agree....And I'm sure that the defense is worried about George talking about things that they wouldn't want him to....

When the therapists are thru with George, he will want so bad to feel better that he will do what ever they tell him will work to ease his pain.....I believe that George truly loved and was bonded to Caylee...he probably spent most of the time with her....JMO

Dtviewer3

01-28-2009, 07:22 PM

Gotcha.. yes..much more evidence could have been found IMO..

O/T anyone know where jennyanydots went?

My guess is she was here on this mornings thread...........:closedeyes:

rosieposett

01-28-2009, 07:23 PM

Hi True, I believe the reason she went to work was because her mind just could not take her where she needed to go. That is to say, I think she knew right then and there that Caylee was gone and that Casey surely must have had something to do with it. Casey, imo had been trouble to G and C all her life or at least in her teenage years to present. They ignored probably her bad behavior, let her get away with whatever and this is what they got. I did not say this is what they deserved. In no way do I think anyone deserves this. But, like others here, I think if they had been tougher on her from the beginning and called her out on lies and stealing maybe they could have had a better relationship. I believe kids no matter what age want boundries. They want parenting. If they are not going to get your attention by being good then they will get it by being bad. AND then I have seen people who have been the best parents and they just get the worst kids so go figure?

Nana, if you don't mind me asking, what are your thoughts on the A's waiting so long to pick up the car at the towyard. I think I'm correct in saying that the message from post office was on their door for almost 2 wks. I can see that happening to me as we use the back door also and do not always check the front door for delivery items or notes from visitors. But, being the A's, I have my doubts, that maybe they were in no hurry to get the car. That they ignored the notice until possibility of losing car became reality. Do you think they knew already that the car smelled badly? Or is my imagination working overtime? lol

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:24 PM

Oh for Pete's sake! http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/01/reports-of-a-jailhouse-funeral-have-been-greatly-exaggeratedwftv-channel-9-dismissed-the-possibility-that-casey-anthonys-fam.html

"In newscasts at 6, the Anthony case drew more scrutiny. WFTV's Kathi Belich reported that an Orange County deputy was evidently distracted when responding to a meter reader's tips in August. The deputy was using his computer to find another job and send raunchy pictures."

cloe23

01-28-2009, 07:24 PM

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 07:25 PM

LOL. I actually had thoughts in my mind of Cindy, George and Lee receiving their cavity search so they could be cleared to enter an actual cell.
This private service is not going to happen, too much security. Just another spin for JB to throw out during trial and conviction of Casey Anthony.This has to be the strangest case I've ever followed. Not only the defendant and family but the attorneys, as well.

:scared:

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 07:25 PM

I know what you mean, about being afraid to involve the police. Once you get the police (or any outside "agency") involved, it can open up a can of worms for a person so I do understand that. The guy at the impound had made some kind of statement, though, that a man had committed suicide in one of the cars that the company impounded and that he was familiar with the smell. So when he smelled the car and was relatively certain something was familiar he should have done the right thing and called the police. He could have just said that someone just drove off with a car that smells like decomp and here is their name and address, do with this information what you wish. He would not have gotten in trouble for that, it wasn't like he was making a false report or doing anything malicious. I just think if the police had gotten their hands on that car before the Anthony's had a chance to mess around with it, there would have been alot more evidence and more importantly, maybe some mysteries solved.

interesting how fast Yuri had someone, or himself, get the trash out of the dumpster over the fence from where george had the car parked....

Dtviewer3

01-28-2009, 07:25 PM

Neffy

01-28-2009, 07:25 PM

Are you suggesting the these shows should be taped and EDITED?:laugh:

NO WAY! That's the only reason I watch :w00t:

They can't wait to hear how Baez is going to undo the Zanny story.

It's Casey's first statements so no way will it be left out of the trial HA!
They can't wait until the real Zenaida gets on the stand hahahaha

O/t what's up with the lady in the Uhaul?

legalmania

01-28-2009, 07:26 PM

bolding to address

Please.......:w00t: don't say that on here. MOST on here (IMO, from all posts I read) know exactly what they would do, in all circumstances. Especially if they were Cindy and George (though I know you're not talking about that).

I'm surprised you're buying that. Do you really think people on this board are totally honest? I wanna know how many have been in a situation like this. I haven't read one post that says anything about calling the police on their child for murder.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:27 PM

Hi T2B... makes me wonder if they got these attorneys out of a cracker jack box!:rolleyes:

Hi NM, what you say is something to think about. The Cracker Jack prizes are awful these days. :biggrin:

Unperson1984

01-28-2009, 07:29 PM

I know what you mean, about being afraid to involve the police. Once you get the police (or any outside "agency") involved, it can open up a can of worms for a person so I do understand that. The guy at the impound had made some kind of statement, though, that a man had committed suicide in one of the cars that the company impounded and that he was familiar with the smell. So when he smelled the car and was relatively certain something was familiar he should have done the right thing and called the police. He could have just said that someone just drove off with a car that smells like decomp and here is their name and address, do with this information what you wish. He would not have gotten in trouble for that, it wasn't like he was making a false report or doing anything malicious. I just think if the police had gotten their hands on that car before the Anthony's had a chance to mess around with it, there would have been alot more evidence and more importantly, maybe some mysteries solved.

I just don't know what LE could do about a bad smell report. At that moment in time that's all there was, the car held no evidence of a crime.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:29 PM

I'm surprised you're buying that. Do you really think people on this board are totally honest? I wanna know how many have been in a situation like this. I haven't read one post that says anything about calling the police on their child for murder.

Is that so common a thing that most parents have had that experience?

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:29 PM

NO WAY! That's the only reason I watch :w00t:

They can't wait to hear how Baez is going to undo the Zanny story.

It's Casey's first statements so no way will it be left out of the trial HA!
They can't wait until the real Zenaida gets on the stand hahahaha

O/t what's up with the lady in the Uhaul?

Bold mine.

Is it Zanny?:laugh:

SavannahStar

01-28-2009, 07:29 PM

I'm surprised you're buying that. Do you really think people on this board are totally honest? I wanna know how many have been in a situation like this. I haven't read one post that says anything about calling the police on their child for murder.

I didn't say I was buying it. That was a tongue in cheek response. :wink:

bchand

01-28-2009, 07:30 PM

OK, now I understand...I thought that the tow guy told George that the car was smelling.....But if I were George, I would have never even touched that car more less drove it off the lot once I got wift of it....with my granddaughter missing, I would have called the police immediately....

Yes, once the car was opened by George, the tow guy realized he had smelled that odor before in a car he previously had on the lot. A guy was dead in that car for 5 days IIRC.

I also wouldn't have driven the car INTO my garage at home with that odor. I can't imagine that the odor didn't permeate inside their house too.

StickyBeak

01-28-2009, 07:30 PM

I still can't believe the A's did not know their prescious Daughter is responsible, Casey actually did tell them in the beginning there were people who might hurt Caylee or the family, so she conducted her own investigation. One of the first jail visits I believe.

I am leaning toward GA staging this "alledged" Mental breakdown in order to collect disability. He has been collecting for many years for various other reasons, his back, his knee IIRC. So here he is 62 yrs old, out at a job fair trying to get hired. Well his LE or security experience will mean zilch now, carry a weapon? Isn't that one of the first questions for a gun permit, previous or psycological impairment? Here in NJ you have to have people fill out a recommendation that you know the person applying and they have no mental issues or impairment that you know of. GA is jumping on a band wagon IMO. Disability, heck he should have no problem collecting a monthly check. Could Cindy be hired back? Perhaps she will apply as GA's caretaker since she is RN and he may need extended therapy. Just too much.
I wonder if they the Anthonys have the money to have a funeral or waiting on donations. Could that really be the hold up? JMO

cloe23

01-28-2009, 07:30 PM

This has to be the strangest case I've ever followed. Not only the defendant and family but the attorneys, as well.

:scared:

And the followers....like me.:blushing:
Who knew at the get go that this case was going to be above and beyond any I have ever heard of?
There is no out trumping this one, jmo:ohmy: I am speaking of the spins not the brutality. BTW

Neffy

01-28-2009, 07:31 PM

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 07:31 PM

Yes. Remember George said that when he would ask Caylee about 'Zanny' she showed NO recognition or reaction, but reacted to other names.

I remember george saying that in one of the interviews after the fact....but on July 15....didn't they both say they had never heard of zanny?

trich

01-28-2009, 07:32 PM

Thanks for the link, blu.

This is all just so odd.

Conway is talking about a jailhouse funeral he has made no request for.

Baez is talking about a change of venue he's made no motion for.

Luka is talking about Lee being charged, but no charges have been filed.

:confused:

Question ... I thought he said on Greta he did file the motion for change of venue?:shrug:
Does anyone know if he was again telling a mistruth or has he filed the motion??

rosieposett

01-28-2009, 07:32 PM

Amen I am with you on this you or so right. It does look like the tow company would have called the le too. Lee knew when he smelled the car something was wrong and how could he laugh when talking about a sweet little girl that was missing and his sister;s car smelling like that.jmho

It was really strange (to say the least) that Lee laughed or guffawed whenever the stink in the car was mentioned to him by LE. Very odd, very strange, and in my opinion very telling. He did not show any care or concern for little Caylee when asked about it. It's eery. I'm not saying he had anything to do with her murder, but surely he can put 2+2 together and figure out the stench came from little Caylee's body having decomped in the trunk. Strange person, he.

Lapis

01-28-2009, 07:32 PM

The people at the tow yard don't know what happened in the car. They said they had had a car someone had committed suicide in that smelled like decomp. How would they know if LE needed to be called?

I was responding to all those who have said that they don't understand why the tow truck guy didn't call. The point I'm trying to make, maybe I wasn't clear, (that's very possible) the prosecution is attempting to enter evidence of the smell of decomp in the trunk. As some on this board have stated you never forget that smell. The defense will attempt to show that the smell wasn't that bad and maybe wasn't decomp because the tow truck guy didn't call LE. IIRC LE sent the samples to a university in Fla. and he stated the samples were inconclusive. They now argue that the failure to call coupled with the inconclusive test results = reasonable doubt as to whether there was decomp in that car. I am not commenting about the success of the argument simply making the argument. JMO

legalmania

01-28-2009, 07:32 PM

Then report it to your boss and have animal control come out and take care of it.

Animal control would have to get permission to go in the trunk. I remember one time somebody called the police because they thought they smelt a dead person in the back of a trunk, they had to get a warrant then had C.S. I . come out this big ordeal and it was squid. So they had to replace the lock and all that money that was tax money was wasted.

Lapis

01-28-2009, 07:33 PM

?noanswer

01-28-2009, 07:33 PM

Suppose it was a dead dog back there? It's not the tow truck drivers responsibility. Did he know that this was the car Caylee was in, I doubt it. It's easy to stand back and say what you would do but until it happens to you, you really don't know.

As soon as the tow yard guy heard about the case on TV, he went back to the dumpster to retrieve the bag of garbage. LE came up and ? him and he told them his story. They said for him not to worry, they had already retrieved the bag. I don't have a link. This is what I remember in my head. JMO

Dtviewer3

01-28-2009, 07:34 PM

I remember george saying that in one of the interviews after the fact....but on July 15....didn't they both say they had never heard of zanny?

When did she tell Cindy the Zanny was in an accident story?

Neffy

01-28-2009, 07:35 PM

Bold mine.

Is it Zanny?:laugh:

hahahaha

JVM: She's sticking her hand out like she wants to signal.

Erm I don't think she's signaling - I do think she's signing though :laugh:

Unperson1984

01-28-2009, 07:35 PM

I remember george saying that in one of the interviews after the fact....but on July 15....didn't they both say they had never heard of zanny?

I thought Cindy's co-workers had heard her mention Zanny in the past?

CelticDawn

01-28-2009, 07:35 PM

Here you are:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/gilly_billy/Extra%20Pics/131.jpg

That is such a sweet shot.....

I do wonder how Papa is doing....He must be so sad.:sad:

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:35 PM

As my baby would say OH FOR PETE'S SAFE! (He needs to listen to his mom a bit closer) ROFL!

Well that's explains why the badge and gun had to gooooo!

No Baby! Don't listen to Mama Neffy! :scared::laugh:

We should start a tally of how many people lose their jobs over this mess. We would never know all of 'em though.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:36 PM

hahahaha

JVM: She's sticking her hand out like she wants to signal.

Erm I don't think she's signaling - I do think she's signing though :laugh:

:laugh::laugh:

bchand

01-28-2009, 07:36 PM

legalmania

01-28-2009, 07:36 PM

Question ... I thought he said on Greta he did file the motion for change of venue?:shrug:
Does anyone know if he was again telling a mistruth or has he filed the motion??

He said he was going to file in about a month and that was about a month ago.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:37 PM

I suppose. :huh: They've certainly had to add on wings to that rabbit hole, though, in order to accommodate everyone down there.

Oh they have wings and now they have BARS, lol!

Lapis

01-28-2009, 07:37 PM

Nana, if you don't mind me asking, what are your thoughts on the A's waiting so long to pick up the car at the towyard. I think I'm correct in saying that the message from post office was on their door for almost 2 wks. I can see that happening to me as we use the back door also and do not always check the front door for delivery items or notes from visitors. But, being the A's, I have my doubts, that maybe they were in no hurry to get the car. That they ignored the notice until possibility of losing car became reality. Do you think they knew already that the car smelled badly? Or is my imagination working overtime? lol

IIRC the notice was left on a Friday in the front door. They didn't use that door. Sunday while working in the garden Cindy found the notice. They did not recognize the return address. Monday George did not make it to the post office. Letter picked up on Tuesday and the car picked up the same day. The car was on the lot for a period of time before they were sent notice and that's what may be confusing you.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:38 PM

Gee, I wonder how THAT job search is going now?

Maybe the cop and Ted Haggard could go in business together. :wink:

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:38 PM

I cannot imagine what sort of strategy this is, but surely there's something behind it? There's got to be some reason why the man is all over the airwaves and in print saying his client's arrest is imminent? :huh:

It escapes me why any attorney would want to do that, but I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm just uninformed. At the moment though, I think it's not the brightest approach.

CC I See

01-28-2009, 07:38 PM

IIRC they told LE they heard Zanny the Nanny but had not heard Zenaida.

Isn't Zanny the Nanny in one of Caylee's story books that she liked to read?

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 07:38 PM

thanks for all your replies.....I think I'll go back and refresh my memory....

I wonder about the bag that had been tossed over the fence by the tow yard guy.....how did LE know about it if someone hadn't called...they retrieved that in the middle of the night....the towyard guy said he went down in his jammies and it was already gone....did I remember that correctly...??

Calla

01-28-2009, 07:39 PM

No Baby! Don't listen to Mama Neffy! :scared::laugh:

We should start a tally of how many people lose their jobs over this mess. We would never know all of 'em though.
Add me
I have been out for 2 days getting new jobs to take the place of my old one...
Now I will end up missing more "breaking news"

My plan failed:sad:

~jomomma~

01-28-2009, 07:39 PM

trich

01-28-2009, 07:39 PM

He said he was going to file in about a month and that was about a month ago.

Ok thanks!

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 07:39 PM

Wow. Both Conway and Luka were floating that story.

:huh:

I don't think that Baez is a part of this - not publicly - and I think it is odd that he hasn't addressed it at all.
Too busy trying to bust down the SA office.

If Baez were to get the pros removed and the state AG's office in to prosecute, I think that the DP would be back on the table in a flash.
I don't think that Baez would find McCollum's office as sympathetic as the SA's office!
Just a thought.
I know that is a hypothetical and will not happen.
I am just speculating.
Baez might want think about the old adage -
Be careful what you wish for. :chicken:

nana6

01-28-2009, 07:40 PM

Nana, if you don't mind me asking, what are your thoughts on the A's waiting so long to pick up the car at the towyard. I think I'm correct in saying that the message from post office was on their door for almost 2 wks. I can see that happening to me as we use the back door also and do not always check the front door for delivery items or notes from visitors. But, being the A's, I have my doubts, that maybe they were in no hurry to get the car. That they ignored the notice until possibility of losing car became reality. Do you think they knew already that the car smelled badly? Or is my imagination working overtime? lol
Hi Rosie, No I do not think they knew the car would smell badly. It was said here many many posts ago, that the A's did not use the front door. That they went right in thru the garage door. Now, that being said, who really knows for sure? We are talking the A's here ya know what I mean?

bchand

01-28-2009, 07:40 PM

Question ... I thought he said on Greta he did file the motion for change of venue?:shrug:
Does anyone know if he was again telling a mistruth or has he filed the motion??

Last I heard Jose say is that the prosecution has seen a draft of his motion but he has not submitted it yet.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:41 PM

That is such a sweet shot.....

I do wonder how Papa is doing....He must be so sad.:sad:

He wasn't well to begin with it's probably taken a toll on his health, his wife's as well. I feel very sorry for them.

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 07:42 PM

being an x law man he should have known not to touch anything to do with that car.he did not need to put his hands on it in any way. He knew it was the smell of death and so did cindy.I would have let le come and get it right then.Jmho
GA even told the FBI that he knew he shouldn't drive that car away when he started the engine. Then he asked the attendent (Simon Birch?) to walk back to the trunk and stay with him while he opened it. And, they found the garbage bag.

Calla

01-28-2009, 07:42 PM

He wasn't well to begin with it's probably taken a toll on his health, his wife's as well. I feel very sorry for them.

I'll bet Papa doesn't know...it would take a real loopy family to even bother telling someone in his frail condition..

ummm..okay ..I know

legalmania

01-28-2009, 07:43 PM

Is that so common a thing that most parents have had that experience?

That's what I'm saying everybody says I would do this or I would do that but until it hits home you really don't know what you would do. You are in shock for one and I don't believe your thinking is rational. I hope nobody every has to go through this so you will never know.

?noanswer

01-28-2009, 07:43 PM

It escapes me why any attorney would want to do that, but I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm just uninformed. At the moment though, I think it's not the brightest approach.

O/T sorta. Tonight on our local tv channel, they had a story of a person charged with a crime. When the media asked his atty. a question, he replyed that he tried his cases in the courtroom not in the media or something like that. All the A's attorneys should learn that lesson. JMO

CelticDawn

01-28-2009, 07:44 PM

I'm surprised you're buying that. Do you really think people on this board are totally honest? I wanna know how many have been in a situation like this. I haven't read one post that says anything about calling the police on their child for murder.

I sure dont know what I woudl do...besides have a total meltdown....from there ...???

?noanswer

01-28-2009, 07:44 PM

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 07:45 PM

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 07:45 PM

And the followers....like me.:blushing:
Who knew at the get go that this case was going to be above and beyond any I have ever heard of?
There is no out trumping this one, jmo:ohmy: I am speaking of the spins not the brutality. BTWLol, me too, I guess. :blushing: I'm hooked and readily admit that.

I agree about the spin.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:45 PM

Add me
I have been out for 2 days getting new jobs to take the place of my old one...
Now I will end up missing more "breaking news"

My plan failed:sad:

I hope it works out for you Calla!

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:45 PM

Kind of makes me think he's HOPING they will arrest him. Maybe he needs the courtroom experience?

You never know, that could be. I'd suggest he learn to edit his speech though, or at least speak clearly around his foot.:sneaky:

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:46 PM

ewwwww you said Ted Haggard.

He sure is making the rounds lately. And he's been on TV a lot, too.:wink:

rosieposett

01-28-2009, 07:46 PM

Yes, once the car was opened by George, the tow guy realized he had smelled that odor before in a car he previously had on the lot. A guy was dead in that car for 5 days IIRC.

I also wouldn't have driven the car INTO my garage at home with that odor. I can't imagine that the odor didn't permeate inside their house too.

I'm with you. Most folks would have left it outside with all windows down and doors opened to air out. They didn't want the neighbors to smell it. Why? Cindy said she wanted to talk to Casey first. Cindy knew the smell was decomp. I believe Cindy and George knew it was not pizza causing the smell. They were grasping at straws to "protect" their darling Casey. Whatabout darling Caylee?

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 07:47 PM

say what?......
am i missing something on tv?

HLN is showing a woman on the run in California in a U-Haul truck.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:47 PM

O/T sorta. Tonight on our local tv channel, they had a story of a person charged with a crime. When the media asked him a question, he replyed that he tried his cases in the courtroom not in the media or something like that. All the A's attornies should learn that lesson. JMO

Baez says that often enough, but then he keeps on talking.:rolleyes:

Unperson1984

01-28-2009, 07:47 PM

I wonder what's in the back of that U-HAUL?

a body perhaps? :scared:

she sure doesnt want to stop

I don't know, but I'm glad she's at the north end of the bay!

Calla

01-28-2009, 07:48 PM

I hope it works out for you Calla!

Thank you. Me too!

I don't know how I will follow this case like I need to. I NEEEED to. I don't want to.
If it were not for you all here at IS, I would be way behind on all the developments...but you guys all keep it at my fingertips.

Is the hearing Friday ? Is that something Casey would be asked to attend?

bchand

01-28-2009, 07:48 PM

That's what I'm saying everybody says I would do this or I would do that but until it hits home you really don't know what you would do. You are in shock for one and I don't believe your thinking is rational. I hope nobody every has to go through this so you will never know.

I believe many posters have already shown what they have done in situations with their children. And yes, I believe they were telling the truth.

The point being, the Anthonys NEVER made Casey face the consquences of her actions. Even NOW, after all she's done, Cindy told her in a jail visit that once this is all over, she (Casey) won't have to work. Cindy will handle all expenses as usual.

So IMO people who have made a practice of making their children face their own music are more likely to do the right thing when something as horrible as this would happen.

The Anthonys, not so much. They haven't had any practice.

SavannahStar

01-28-2009, 07:49 PM

Isn't Zanny the Nanny in one of Caylee's story books that she liked to read?

I think that was pure speculation. Someone found a children's book with a "Zanny the Nanny" in it and guessed that was where Casey got the idea. No one ever found that it was in fact a book Caylee ever read (had read to her).

CelticDawn

01-28-2009, 07:49 PM

It escapes me why any attorney would want to do that, but I'm not a lawyer so maybe I'm just uninformed. At the moment though, I think it's not the brightest approach.

Im guessing theyre HOPING that the SAttorney will go forward with charges and have him arrested BEFORE theyre quite ready....This IS an ongoing investigation....Then after he is formally charged, the clock starts ticking...

BUT as long as the SOL hasnt run out I think the States attorney is going to take its time and IF THEY SO DESIRE make the arrest once all their ducks are in a rwo.

bchand

01-28-2009, 07:50 PM

Thank you. Me too!

I don't know how I will follow this case like I need to. I NEEEED to. I don't want to.
If it were not for you all here at IS, I would be way behind on all the developments...but you guys all keep it at my fingertips.

Is the hearing Friday ? Is that something Casey would be asked to attend?

The hearing is at 8:30 on Friday and yes Judge Strickland has invited her. :sneaky:

SavannahStar

01-28-2009, 07:51 PM

I sure dont know what I woudl do...besides have a total meltdown....from there ...???

I loves me an honest person. :laugh:

MrsHudson

01-28-2009, 07:51 PM

Exactly FL.. ICAM. I believe it takes a village.. lots of people have NO idea what their children are doing..

That's because they are waiting for the villagers (social programs) to do what they are supposed to be doing.

?noanswer

01-28-2009, 07:51 PM

The hearing is at 8:30 on Friday and yes Judge Strickland has invited her. :sneaky:

Sounds like to me he "demanded the pleasure of her company"!!! JMO

cloe23

01-28-2009, 07:52 PM

Gotta love the reasons. People are talking about Casey's appearance and that means she can't get a fair trial. WHAT? Because people talk about what she looks like? I'd say it's more a case of bruised ego. Too bad, but I don't see it influencing a jury. They take an oath to consider only the evidence presented in the trial. Just because that's the way they might act, is no reason for Baez and Casey to assume everyone else would do it.

I don't want to disagree with your post as I hold a lot of respect in your reads.
Keep in mind that Casey has been in isolation pretty much 24/7, only receiving dysfunctional visits from JB.
What if she is experiencing 'shut in' behaivours? Scarred chitless to leave her cell? Panic attacks? It happens and if not taken care of will it delay tria?

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 07:52 PM

I don't think that Baez is a part of this - not publicly - and I think it is odd that he hasn't addressed it at all.
Too busy trying to bust down the SA office.

If Baez were to get the pros removed and the state AG's office in to prosecute, I think that the DP would be back on the table in a flash.
I don't think that Baez would find McCollum's office as sympathetic as the SA's office!
Just a thought.
I know that is a hypothetical and will not happen.
I am just speculating.
Baez might want think about the old adage -
Be careful what you wish for. :chicken:I agree. I don't understand what Baez is thinking either.

None of the A atty's are up to the task, imo.

Just heard today that Baez has only been an atty for 3 years. I'm sure this is old news to some of you but I wasn't aware of that until today.

Calla

01-28-2009, 07:53 PM

The hearing is at 8:30 on Friday and yes Judge Strickland has invited her. :sneaky:

WOW I wonder if my DVR will record that for me ? If Casey takes another 45 mins to be plucked from her cell I am out of luck ..lol

bchand

01-28-2009, 07:53 PM

I'm with you. Most folks would have left it outside with all windows down and doors opened to air out. They didn't want the neighbors to smell it. Why? Cindy said she wanted to talk to Casey first. Cindy knew the smell was decomp. I believe Cindy and George knew it was not pizza causing the smell. They were grasping at straws to "protect" their darling Casey. Whatabout darling Caylee?

I agree. This was their first obvious sign of covering for Casey IMO, hiding the car.

(Well second - the first should have been calling LE.)

CC I See

01-28-2009, 07:53 PM

I think that was pure speculation. Someone found a children's book with a "Zanny the Nanny" in it and guessed that was where Casey got the idea. No one ever found that it was in fact a book Caylee ever read (had read to her).
Thank you for answering..... I only knew that there was a book with Zanny the Nanny in it and did not know if this was in fact a book in the Anthony home. I am sure if there was, it would be taken into evidence or discarded long ago.

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 07:53 PM

You have just written the cross examination of the tow guy and George for the defense. If it was that bad Why didn't you call the police? Argument to the jury: It couldn't have been as the prosecution describes. JMO

Good def strategy! Why don't they teach this stuff in law school?

Then the pros will have been certain to have questioned SB (tow guy) about seeing the news and running barefooted to the dumpster, jumping in, and frantically trying to locate that trash bag.
He didn't know that LE had already recovered it.
He knew that it was important to the case though.

Neffy

01-28-2009, 07:53 PM

bchand

01-28-2009, 07:54 PM

Sounds like to me he "demanded the pleasure of her company"!!! JMO

lol well yes. Didn't you see my evil grin?

MrsHudson

01-28-2009, 07:54 PM

I don't think she did either. Even if she had survived, I believe that she would have Cindy and Casey as primary influences and she would have grown up to be a carbon copy of one or both of them. Although I know some would disagree, I don't think she was the most important person in that household. I think there were too many others in that house that felt they were "the most important". I do feel she was the most vulnerable and that is why she ended up being used as a weapon, a pawn and anything other than just a sweet little child. I find it very odd that there are no pictures or videos of her playing with other children.

Good post. :thumbup:

Unperson1984

01-28-2009, 07:55 PM

need2no

01-28-2009, 07:55 PM

HLN is showing a woman on the run in California in a U-Haul truck.

It's making me dizzy watching it.

rosieposett

01-28-2009, 07:55 PM

IIRC the notice was left on a Friday in the front door. They didn't use that door. Sunday while working in the garden Cindy found the notice. They did not recognize the return address. Monday George did not make it to the post office. Letter picked up on Tuesday and the car picked up the same day. The car was on the lot for a period of time before they were sent notice and that's what may be confusing you.

Thank you Lapis for that answer. You are right, I did not know the notice arrived late. The car was towed around June 30th, I think, and wasn't retrived until July 15th. That seemed suspicious to me. But after you have explained it, it makes more sense.

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 07:55 PM

I loves me an honest person. :laugh:I think it's unfair to imply that the rest of us are dishonest.

legalmania

01-28-2009, 07:55 PM

I believe many posters have already shown what they have done in situations with their children. And yes, I believe they were telling the truth.

The point being, the Anthonys NEVER made Casey face the consquences of her actions. Even NOW, after all she's done, Cindy told her in a jail visit that once this is all over, she (Casey) won't have to work. Cindy will handle all expenses as usual.

So IMO people who have made a practice of making their children face their own music are more likely to do the right thing when something as horrible as this would happen.

The Anthonys, not so much. They haven't had any practice.

Calling LE on her and reporting her granddaughter missing and saying the car smelt like a dead body is nothing, not bailing her out is nothing?

Lapis

01-28-2009, 07:56 PM

Good def strategy! Why don't they teach this stuff in law school?

Then the pros will have been certain to have questioned SB (tow guy) about seeing the news and running barefooted to the dumpster, jumping in, and frantically trying to locate that trash bag.
He didn't know that LE had already recovered it.
He knew that it was important to the case though.

Law school is the only professional school where they do not teach you how to practice its all theory. LOL

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 07:56 PM

MrsHudson

01-28-2009, 07:56 PM

Nope she sure didn't... too bad casey didn't put her up for adoption when she was born... Caylee would have made someone very proud parents..She would have been so loved ....

She was just the cutest little thing. So smart and kind of serious.

really3997

01-28-2009, 07:56 PM

Im guessing theyre HOPING that the SAttorney will go forward with charges and have him arrested BEFORE theyre quite ready....This IS an ongoing investigation....Then after he is formally charged, the clock starts ticking...

BUT as long as the SOL hasnt run out I think the States attorney is going to take its time and IF THEY SO DESIRE make the arrest once all their ducks are in a rwo.

My opinion is that it is the FBI coming after them. Thats why the sheriff's office can say they have no plans to charge them. JMO

klock777

01-28-2009, 07:58 PM

I cannot imagine what sort of strategy this is, but surely there's something behind it? There's got to be some reason why the man is all over the airwaves and in print saying his client's arrest is imminent? :huh:

I heard them explaining this on NG one night - if I can get it correct...
In Florida - if a person is supenioned (sp?) that automatically covers them - like an immunity. Lee has been named as a witness but has NOT been supenioned- therefore. in his best interest, the attorney file for immunity for his portection. By LE NOT supenioning him, indicates they plan on using anything he says against him to arrest him in connection with the case.

SavannahStar

01-28-2009, 07:59 PM

I think it's unfair to imply that the rest of us are dishonest.

I think it's unfair you read something into my post that wasn't there!

I felt that poster was honest. I said NOTHING about other posters.

Gilly

01-28-2009, 07:59 PM

hehe looks like we were both working on it at the same time :)

Nice work :thumbsup:

Lapis

01-28-2009, 07:59 PM

My opinion is that it is the FBI coming after them. Thats why the sheriff's office can say they have no plans to charge them. JMO

If its the FBI then the state giving him/them immunity would mean nothing. They have no juridiction over federal matters. JMO

bchand

01-28-2009, 08:00 PM

Calling LE on her and reporting her granddaughter missing and saying the car smelt like a dead body is nothing, not bailing her out is nothing?

A little late don't you think? She finally did something after 31 days of not knowing if her granddaughter was safe (knowing Casey had no money and no means of protecting, sheltering her).

She regrets saying the car smelled like a dead body and actually has denied saying it.

She didn't bail her out because she couldn't afford it.

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 08:00 PM

really3997

01-28-2009, 08:00 PM

If its the FBI then the state giving him/them immunity would mean nothing. They have no juridiction over federal matters. JMO

exactly....

SavannahStar

01-28-2009, 08:00 PM

Calling LE on her and reporting her granddaughter missing and saying the car smelt like a dead body is nothing, not bailing her out is nothing?

Yeh. What you said!

Pruddennce

01-28-2009, 08:01 PM

Hi Pru,,,what is your memory.....(Please don't go looking for anything just for me and my bad memory)....recollection only will do.....did george and cindy ever hear of zanny before July 15.....(I know he mentioned in the interview) but hadn't they already said they had never heard of zanny before July 15? or anyone that might remember? thanks....many thanks.....

honestly, my memory is: neither one of them heard of her and that changed to 'heard about her for 2 years' (while referencing Zanny was a previous co-worker)....which of course is a direct statement from casey.

this also might be with reference to not knowing her exact name....never heard of ZFG.....(but heard the name Zanny)

which is even more odd....not having any information on ZFG.

well, not really that odd given the facts that have surfaced in this case.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 08:01 PM

Nancy time!
Live Stream:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nancy-grace-ustream-channel-by-torbenmiller

cloe23

01-28-2009, 08:01 PM

I agree. I don't understand what Baez is thinking either.

None of the A atty's are up to the task, imo.

Just heard today that Baez has only been an atty for 3 years. I'm sure this is old news to some of you but I wasn't aware of that until today.

IIRC he was a habitual bar flunker. JB totally clueless.

MrsHudson

01-28-2009, 08:02 PM

What a smart and perceptive little girl to say are you tired papa.

Oh and those eyelashes! So long. Cutie pie.

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 08:02 PM

NG says, "Direct match to blanket found and Pooh bedding at Ant's house per LE."

bchand

01-28-2009, 08:02 PM

WHAT? First Nancy Grace quotes People magazine as a source for info then she says according to their lawyer they may be backing off of supporting Casey?

This should be good.

Unperson1984

01-28-2009, 08:02 PM

I believe many posters have already shown what they have done in situations with their children. And yes, I believe they were telling the truth.

The point being, the Anthonys NEVER made Casey face the consquences of her actions. Even NOW, after all she's done, Cindy told her in a jail visit that once this is all over, she (Casey) won't have to work. Cindy will handle all expenses as usual.

So IMO people who have made a practice of making their children face their own music are more likely to do the right thing when something as horrible as this would happen.

The Anthonys, not so much. They haven't had any practice.

Hi bchand:

Prior to stealing the money from her grandparents, what actions did Casey for which her parents protected her from the consquences? I've been trying to find a link to that information.

rj1212

01-28-2009, 08:03 PM

wth???

Bombshell??? The Anthony's are now not convinced that Casey is innocent??

Really now...:rolleyes:

Daffodil

01-28-2009, 08:03 PM

I was responding to all those who have said that they don't understand why the tow truck guy didn't call. The point I'm trying to make, maybe I wasn't clear, (that's very possible) the prosecution is attempting to enter evidence of the smell of decomp in the trunk. As some on this board have stated you never forget that smell. The defense will attempt to show that the smell wasn't that bad and maybe wasn't decomp because the tow truck guy didn't call LE. IIRC LE sent the samples to a university in Fla. and he stated the samples were inconclusive. They now argue that the failure to call coupled with the inconclusive test results = reasonable doubt as to whether there was decomp in that car. I am not commenting about the success of the argument simply making the argument. JMO

Someone else said this before but I will say it again. I hope the jurors are able to take a field trip to inspect the car and smell that awful smell.

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 08:04 PM

I think it's unfair to imply that the rest of us are dishonest.

It happens all the time on these boards. Don't take it personally. A blanket assumption like that is a kind of knee jerk reaction, putting everyone with a different opinion in a negative light.

You know your own mind, I know mine, I give everyone credit for knowing theirs. We have no idea what some of our fellow posters have been through. Just let it roll off of your back. :smile:

Unperson1984

01-28-2009, 08:05 PM

My opinion is that it is the FBI coming after them. Thats why the sheriff's office can say they have no plans to charge them. JMO

Why would the FBI go after them?

happygert

01-28-2009, 08:05 PM

Blanket a match to other winnie the pooh bedding in Caylee's room. Similar horse in bag as one in here room

Reenbean

01-28-2009, 08:06 PM

Assuming that a life long belief in right and wrong is such a tenuous thing for every person on Earth, that it is truly rooted in nothing and apt to change with the wind. I don't see it that way, but everyone is different.

Thanks for posting true2blues, great post and 100% agreed. :smile:

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 08:06 PM

honestly, my memory is: neither one of them heard of her and that changed to 'heard about her for 2 years' (while referencing Zanny was a previous co-worker)....which of course is a direct statement from casey.

this also might be with reference to not knowing her exact name....never heard of ZFG.....(but heard the name Zanny)

which is even more odd....not having any information on ZFG.

well, not really that odd given the facts that have surfaced in this case.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

many thanks to everyone.....Did I just hear nancy say....are totmom's parents backing away from claiming casey's innocence?

bchand

01-28-2009, 08:07 PM

Hi bchand:

Prior to stealing the money from her grandparents, what actions did Casey for which her parents protected her from the consquences? I've been trying to find a link to that information.

Well first of all she has a sealed juvenile record. We don't know what that was about.

They both knew she wasn't really working, but neither wouldn't do anything about it.

George KNEW she was stealing money from Caylee's piggy bank and wouldn't do anything about it.

George KNEW she was stealing gas from him and didn't do a thing about it until he finally filed a police report in which he said he WOULD press charges. Once he got her to admit the theft, he withdrew the charges.

And then there is the infamous "what Caylee is not pregnant ! She told us in order to be pregnant, she would have had to have sex!!!"

Ok Casey, whatever you say.

I'm sure I can think of more in a bit Unperson ! (Hi btw)

WillowInFlight

01-28-2009, 08:07 PM

WHAT? First Nancy Grace quotes People magazine as a source for info then she says according to their lawyer they may be backing off of supporting Casey?

This should be good.

I can't wait to get a copy Friday.

need2no

01-28-2009, 08:07 PM

Another paid People mag interview for the A's.

They found another horse at the house....I didn't know that.

Neffy

01-28-2009, 08:07 PM

WHAT? First Nancy Grace quotes People magazine as a source for info then she says according to their lawyer they may be backing off of supporting Casey?

This should be good.

:confused:

Says it's reported in People magazine.
Steve from People on now.

Daffodil

01-28-2009, 08:08 PM

She must have told her co-workers about Zanny because didnt the DOC dump have the co-worker saying that Cindy told them about Zannys car accident etc and they thought it was preposturous?

I would love to know when was the first time Cindy Mentioned Zanny to her coworkers.

I also want to know what her coworkers thought of her before all of this happened.

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 08:08 PM

This is an op-ed piece on NG and 'Graceland!'

James Rainey:
Taking comfort in Nancy Grace's world

The line between good and evil is so clear on Nancy Grace's hour of outrage on Headline News.

January 28, 2009

The line between good and evil is so clear on Nancy Grace's hour of outrage on Headline News.
James Rainey
January 28, 2009

happygert

01-28-2009, 08:09 PM

WillowInFlight

01-28-2009, 08:10 PM

Well first of all she has a sealed juvenile record. We don't know what that was about.

They both knew she wasn't really working, but neither wouldn't do anything about it.

George KNEW she was stealing money from Caylee's piggy bank and wouldn't do anything about it.

George KNEW she was stealing gas from him and didn't do a thing about it until he finally filed a police report in which he said he WOULD press charges. Once he got her to admit the theft, he withdrew the charges.

And then there is the infamous "what Caylee is not pregnant ! She told us in order to be pregnant, she would have had to have sex!!!"

Ok Casey, whatever you say.

I'm sure I can think of more in a bit Unperson ! (Hi btw)

I wonder if George quit putting money in the piggy bank once he found Casey was stealing from it.

Did I just hear right, there was a whole in the ground by the pool?

happygert

01-28-2009, 08:10 PM

Hole dug in yard... She was going to bury her by the pool... Thats why the shovel from the neighbor..

bchand

01-28-2009, 08:11 PM

NG says, "Direct match to blanket found and Pooh bedding at Ant's house per LE."

Is it just me Lavenia or is this not really a bombshell? Of course, if the blanket was found with her, it would most likely match the set at home?

lol

Nancy's getting too much info from People Magazine now.

Talking about a hole that was dug in the back yard.

bluwaters

01-28-2009, 08:11 PM

Lenny! :wub:

klock777

01-28-2009, 08:11 PM

That still doesn't explain why Lee's attorney is in the media talking about possible charges against him though, right?

That would explain why he is. They said that would be why he is asking for immunity.

happygert

01-28-2009, 08:13 PM

She was just the cutest little thing. So smart and kind of serious.

Yes she was.....Just a Darling Little girl....

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 08:13 PM

Hole dug in yard... She was going to bury her by the pool... Thats why the shovel from the neighbor..

did they say the hole was 1 foot wide and 5 feet deep?

MiamiNice1

01-28-2009, 08:13 PM

Lenny! :wub:

Lenny finally says something I can believe:

"Two days after Casey was out on bail, George wanted her to tell him what happened to his granddaughter. There was a big rukus and I believe that is when he knew...."

imo

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 08:14 PM

Is it just me Lavenia or is this not really a bombshell? Of course, if the blanket was found with her, it would most likely match the set at home?

lol

Nancy's getting too much info from People Magazine now.

Talking about a hole that was dug in the back yard.

Nah. I thought she was going to have a receipt or something different. When she said just in the last few hours there is a DIRECT link to the blanket, blah, blah, blah I thought she really had something different. I guess she doesn't know what we do. :wink:

happygert

01-28-2009, 08:14 PM

Another paid People mag interview for the A's.

They found another horse at the house....I didn't know that.

NO doubt in my mind need2no......mo Yes and blanket matches...

legalmania

01-28-2009, 08:15 PM

Nancy Graces definition of bombshell- a hole being dug next to the pool.

need2no

01-28-2009, 08:15 PM

I wonder if George quit putting money in the piggy bank once he found Casey was stealing from it.

Did I just hear right, there was a whole in the ground by the pool?

Remember George initially reported (to LE) about an area of dirt in the backyard which had been disturbed.

klock777

01-28-2009, 08:15 PM

Another paid People mag interview for the A's.

They found another horse at the house....I didn't know that.

This still doesn't seal the deal on Casey - tho. Most kids take toys from home and blankies - this doesn't link it to Casey. They still need her DNA on that sticker, bag or tape - they need a sure connection there.:sad:

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 08:16 PM

Nancy just said that the blanket was wrapped around Caylee's body and the horse toys matched ones in the house....

MrsHudson

01-28-2009, 08:16 PM

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Your comment about George and Cindy not hearing about Zanny prior to July 15 also bothers me. I believe that LE has thoroughly explained to Cindy and George how their investigation had proved that the Zanny the Nanny did not exist. But, they are still clinging to the notion that Casey is telling the "truth", cough, cough, and they are still supporting her story. This bothers me more than anything that the Anthonys have done. I firmly believe that if George and Cindy had confronted Casey when she was in their home after being bailed out, that they could have found out what really happened to Caylee. But, as far as we know, the Anthonys did not even talk nor confront Casey on her numerous lies. This just fed the fire. I really believe that the case could have been closed at that point if they had just confronted their daughter and made her accept responsibility for her actions, instead, they are being stupid in dancing to Casey's tune as they have most likely have been doing for all of Casey's life. I would really like to see George and Cindy get a bit of common decency and do the right thing. I feel that Casey will never do the right thing for her daughter but I feel that Cindy and George must do the right thing or I can never feel compassion for them.

This is so true! Every word of it. C-O-M-M-O-N S-E-N-S-E How come some people can't see this????

There is a little girl whose life is over. This is not the time for sugar coating things.

"We come to them who weep foolishly, and sit down and cry for company, instead of imparting to them truth and health in rough electric shocks, putting them once more in communication with their own reason. " Ralph Waldo Emerson

This is not to say that the A's are foolish to weep but they are very foolish to "dance to Casey's tune."

MiamiNice1

01-28-2009, 08:16 PM

I would love to know when was the first time Cindy Mentioned Zanny to her coworkers.

I also want to know what her coworkers thought of her before all of this happened.
IIRC, the female co-worker (Debbie) stated that she had heard "Zanny" a few months before Caylee went missing. She also stated that Cindy admitted never speaking with or seeing this "Zanny."

The male co-worker (forgot his name) said Cindy had talked about a "Zanny" for years.

imo

rosieposett

01-28-2009, 08:17 PM

Hi Rosie, No I do not think they knew the car would smell badly. It was said here many many posts ago, that the A's did not use the front door. That they went right in thru the garage door. Now, that being said, who really knows for sure? We are talking the A's here ya know what I mean?

I appeciate your thoughts. Another poster pointed out that the towyard did not send notice to A's immediately. That knowledge lessens the suspicions I have about the A's not reclaiming the car for almost 2 wks. I'm okay now. As well as can be, that is. When I get a bee in my bonnet over something (like the car) I just have to talk it out, figure it out, then ask for help. Thx again. :blushing:

Unperson1984

01-28-2009, 08:17 PM

Well, the way I see it, it couldn't hurt. I think the problem is that this impound was prone to getting vehicles that were involved in crimes so they were complacent with it and just figured it's not their job. In a perfect world, the guy at the impound would have called the police, George would have lent him his cellphone to do that and the police would have found so much more evidence and some questions may have been answered. Instead, we have the impound guy shrugging his shoulders and going back to his Wheel of Fortune program, George taking the car home and Cindy washing everything in sight to keep her out of control daughter out of trouble.

OK, before they found Casey how would Cindy know that Casey was in trouble? In fact, how could she know the smell didn't come from Casey's dead body?

To me it seems obvious that she didn't believe the smell was important at that moment in time. I think it is so important to look at actions while factoring in the information available at that moment in time.

BANJO GRANNY

01-28-2009, 08:17 PM

did they say the hole was 1 foot wide and 5 feet deep?

5 Inches deep

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

happygert

01-28-2009, 08:17 PM

did they say the hole was 1 foot wide and 5 feet deep?

didn't get the depth sorry dang dog was a barking... but don't think she got it that deep....too much work for her....mo

WillowInFlight

01-28-2009, 08:17 PM

Remember George initially reported (to LE) about an area of dirt in the backyard which had been disturbed.

Yes I remember that.

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 08:18 PM

I think it's unfair you read something into my post that wasn't there!

I felt that poster was honest. I said NOTHING about other posters.Legalmania said she doesn't feel like people are being truthful, you agreed and said you're not buying it either.

It's all on this thread.

I'm not trying to argue with you but I think that the two of you are making value judgements about peoples "honesty" that you're not qualified to make.

I can only speak for myself when I say that I disagree with just about everything the A's have done. There's nothing dishonest about that.

legalmania

01-28-2009, 08:18 PM

did they say the hole was 1 foot wide and 5 feet deep?

She should have had calluses. Wonder if they took pictures of her hands?

need2no

01-28-2009, 08:18 PM

This still doesn't seal the deal on Casey - tho. Most kids take toys from home and blankies - this doesn't link it to Casey. They still need her DNA on that sticker, bag or tape - they need a sure connection there.:sad:

True, but it helps.

I'm praying for fingerprints on the duct tape and sticker.

happygert

01-28-2009, 08:19 PM

5 Inches deep

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

Thanks BANJO GRANNY... too much work for her... bet they have dirt that matches yard off the shovel...

need2no

01-28-2009, 08:20 PM

She should have had calluses. Wonder if they took pictures of her hands?

A month later the calluses would have healed.

summer4meplz

01-28-2009, 08:20 PM

5 Inches deep

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

oh, thanks....I thought that was awfully darn deep.....(I was trying to listen to nancy and pretend to listen to dh....)

True2Blues

01-28-2009, 08:21 PM

Parents maybe changing minds because of evidence found in Caylee's room.....IMO.... IS they are scrambling to figure out how to get out of the charges.....Garbages bag matched too.....Im sure finger prints do too...

This way they can still be seen as victims. Maybe they think they can get jobs as spokespersons for parents of children who murder. I wouldn't be surprised at anything from this bunch.

i_pickle

01-28-2009, 08:22 PM

It happens all the time on these boards. Don't take it personally. A blanket assumption like that is a kind of knee jerk reaction, putting everyone with a different opinion in a negative light.

You know your own mind, I know mine, I give everyone credit for knowing theirs. We have no idea what some of our fellow posters have been through. Just let it roll off of your back. :smile:You're right...I shouldn't have taken the bait.

Thanks :smile:

MiamiNice1

01-28-2009, 08:23 PM

Breaking Report:

Police source reported "I have no worries because I think we've got her. We've got forensics and Casey has done a good job of incriminating herself."

Tot mom atty thinks prosecutors hurting CA's chance at a fair trial.

Anthony family atty says Casey's parents "don't know" if she is innocent.

Winne the pooh blaneket found at murder site matches one from tot home (tot bedroom)

Cops find plastic horse at Caylee's dump site - same plastic horse found at tot mom home.

Anthony atty tells "People Magazine" Caylee grandparents don't know if Casey is innocent.

(These are all the headlines while Nancy Grace is speaking to THs)

need2no

01-28-2009, 08:23 PM

This is one of the main reasons why I am getting bored watching Nancy Grace and have been recording the show every night so I can fast forward through it. We are always one step ahead of everyone else, it seems, we do good work! :thumbup: She seems to be one day late and one dollar short these days. Especially when we are talking about something here on Monday and we end up hearing about it on her show 6 days later.

True enough, but for some people everything they know, and learn about this case is from what they hear on Nancy Grace.

My view of this case would be somewhat different if the only info I had came from NG....and I believed everything she says.

BANJO GRANNY

01-28-2009, 08:23 PM

Thanks BANJO GRANNY... too much work for her... bet they have dirt that matches yard off the shovel...
YW & I agree she is to lazy to dig much IMO

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

Lavenia

01-28-2009, 08:24 PM

This is one of the main reasons why I am getting bored watching Nancy Grace and have been recording the show every night so I can fast forward through it. We are always one step ahead of everyone else, it seems, we do good work! :thumbup: She seems to be one day late and one dollar short these days. Especially when we are talking about something here on Monday and we end up hearing about it on her show 6 days later.

I'm always afraid that as soon as I miss one, there really will be a bombshell! Not that I can't live through that but still.:wink:

legalmania

01-28-2009, 08:25 PM

A month later the calluses would have healed.

Not necessarily I did some yard work about 6 months ago and there is still a scare where the skin came off, and it's harder there than the other skin.

trich

01-28-2009, 08:25 PM

did they say the hole was 1 foot wide and 5 feet deep?

I don't for a minute believe Casey dug a hole 5 feet deep.:glare:

cassidy

01-28-2009, 08:25 PM

OK, before they found Casey how would Cindy know that Casey was in trouble? In fact, how could she know the smell didn't come from Casey's dead body?

To me it seems obvious that she didn't believe the smell was important at that moment in time. I think it is so important to look at actions while factoring in the information available at that moment in time.

I think the smell became very important and very real with the 3rd 911 call.

JMO