Tuesday January 27, Part I

[Narcissist71]

New Thread since the other is over 1000 post.

[Lapis]

I wish for those who think this family was in one big conspiracy to explain to me what the family hoped to gain by not reporting it to the authorities.

[nc1948]

New Thread since the other is over 1000 post.


Gotta go, have had a great time tonight exchanging ideas without any ugliness. I do believe we all agree on the most important issue of this case and that is that Casey killed Caylee. The rest, altho important, are side issues, and we will never have the answers to all of our questions. (even after this case is over).

Have a great night all. See you tomorrow.

[Narcissist71]

I agree with both of you. I also don't believe Cindy will ever be charged with anything connected to this case


Brought this over.....

I don't know if she will or not....at this point I see no evidence that she would be.

Only thing I can say is look at what public outrage can do......Lori Drew and the Myspace case.......No laws broken, no charges in Missouri, but for public outrage a prosecutor decided to twist a COMPUTER HACKING law to charge the woman. I'm still waiting to see if this judge will dismiss the case or the appellate court overturns the verdict. (Of course I might be wrong that either occurs, just believe it will happen)

[Narcissist71]

Gotta go, have had a great time tonight exchanging ideas without any ugliness. I do believe we all agree on the most important issue of this case and that is that Casey killed Caylee. The rest, altho important, are side issues, and we will never have the answers to all of our questions. (even after this case is over).

Have a great night all. See you tomorrow.

Night, and take care. Seeya at some point I'm sure. :)

[Lapis]

Brought this over.....

I don't know if she will or not....at this point I see no evidence that she would be.

Only thing I can say is look at what public outrage can do......Lori Drew and the Myspace case.......No laws broken, no charges in Missouri, but for public outrage a prosecutor decided to twist a COMPUTER HACKING law to charge the woman. I'm still waiting to see if this judge will dismiss the case or the appellate court overturns the verdict. (Of course I might be wrong that either occurs, just believe it will happen)

I just can't imagine what the charge would be.

[Narcissist71]

I just can't imagine what the charge would be.


I can't either at this point....

Nothing solid, of course plenty of posters here have more than enough in speculation (though not backed up with any factual evidence) that could possibly be backed up at some point.

Not that it would be normal to charge in such a situation, may happen because of the public outrage.

[Narcissist71]

Yet no public outrage for the outgoing administration (for example) and how they lied and broke the law, and manipulated the law to allow themselves to break the law. No public outcry when the Duke boys had their lives destroyed by a corrupt prosecutor. Sometimes I just don't get it.

I do get it....but that would be way off topic. ;)

[Lapis]

I can't either at this point....

Nothing solid, of course plenty of posters here have more than enough in speculation (though not backed up with any factual evidence) that could possibly be backed up at some point.

Not that it would be normal to charge in such a situation, may happen because of the public outrage.

I don't think it will. The prosecution needs the Anthonys. They need to put a human face on this tragedy and the Anthonys are the best they have. They also need them to establish the time line in all of this, relate Casey's lies to them, and bring Caylee to life. I also think despite the certainty of others, all their statements can be explained as misstatements if you know what I mean.

[Narcissist71]

I don't think it will. The prosecution needs the Anthonys. They need to put a human face on this tragedy and the Anthonys are the best they have. They also need them to establish the time line in all of this, relate Casey's lies to them, and bring Caylee to life. I also think despite the certainty of others, all their statements can be explained as misstatements if you know what I mean.


Yep I do understand.

[Lapis]

Good nite all it was a pleasure speaking with you today. Thanks for listening.

[bhardy1956]

Alot of G'nights on this thread - must be all the Eastern folk, I understand, I am Mountain time and ready to hit the pillow!

[Adalena935]

Nite Lapsis and ghardy.

[Adalena935]

Alot of G'nights on this thread - must be all the Eastern folk, I understand, I am Mountain time and ready to hit the pillow!

It's only 8:00p.m in Hawaii. 11:00p.m. on the west coast.

[Narcissist71]

Not many have hopped over to this thread....they are still in the Monday thread.

[5boxersmom]

Ok I am here.

So I wonder what makes Lee's attorney feel the need to say anything at this point? Why not just say nothing?

[Adalena935]

I don't think it will. The prosecution needs the Anthonys. They need to put a human face on this tragedy and the Anthonys are the best they have. They also need them to establish the time line in all of this, relate Casey's lies to them, and bring Caylee to life. I also think despite the certainty of others, all their statements can be explained as misstatements if you know what I mean.

True enough about all of that. I haven't yet been able to get my mind around them as witnesses for the prosecution. It's not so much the certainty of others, but at one point talking to the same group of reporters in the front of her house Cindy told two completely conflicting statements within about 10 minutes time. The reporters questioned her about it and she got mad. I don't remember what the issue was her conflicting statements were so rampant in those days it was hard to keep up. But the reporters called her on it right there on the spot. Both statements couldn't have been the truth. I guess they can explain all her inconsistincies away by saying fatigue.

But I don't expect all the jurors will buy it. What they've done is make their dtr look even more guilty than she would have otherwise.

Casey is the big fish so to speak. I think it's a pity such a young woman has put herself in this dire position of probably spending the rest of her life in prison. If I could wave a magic wand and make it all go away I would.

[Adalena935]

Ok I am here.

So I wonder what makes Lee's attorney feel the need to say anything at this point? Why not just say nothing?

Taking first shot at trying to gloss over the inevitable maybe? He says more than before. That is interesting. Luca says Lee hasen't received a subpoena and that may signal that the state plans to file charges for obstruction and tampering with evidence. If he got subpoenaed, anything he says can't be used against him at a subsequent criminal trial.

Interesting wording. Luca says some of the things he did could be seen as less than benign. Less than benign. That's a good one.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

[5boxersmom]

I haven't......

So when we see the rest we'll probably know.

Whether he drove his car there, and if Cindy drove him back to pick it up. Right?

ETA.....now why doesn't LE release that info.....maybe because less knowledge about something causes speculation.


Bringing over from other thread.

Why would you drive your car to pick up a car from the tow yard? Cindy was at work and from the docs doesn't seem like she planned to leave until George called her. So did someone drive George to the tow yard?

jmo

[Adalena935]

Great Post Ada, see you soon. I so agree with you and you guys all have some of the best theories and posts here. And so often you all juggle a memory, like this post. Made me remember when I so was hanging onto this family had this child stashed somewhere, and it was maybe all a publicity stunt. Because that was how they acted, afterall they were watching the kidnappers. They had them under surveillance at one time.

I remember that day, thinking oh my gosh, this family has done this for money and they have this child stashed somewhere, because we were just coming off of the McCann story, and the other family that tried to fake their daughters kidnapping. And I held out this, H O P E.

True hope and your post made me think of that. To even be pushed to that point, where you are hoping a family is fake, and has done a scam for money, and thats all it is, she will be "produced" and she is alive.

child murder cases are the worst ever. The father needs to come forward to save her image and what ever he can of her memory, and because that hasnt happened I firmly believe that he cannot. He will be flushed out by DNA and it will be ugly. At this point, you'd have to be heartless to NOT come forward even if you had an inkling this child could be yours. Not for the money, but to protect her by stopping EVERYONE including the Anthony's from profitting off of her story.

Her father needs to come forward, because he would be next of Kin. There I go again, hanging onto slim shards of hope.

See you posters soon. I even quietly hope that Casey is driven to telling the truth to LE knowing her father is losing it in a mental hospital. Sadly I dont really believe that will happen though. But I think about it at least once a day. And I hope it's eating her alive.

Bringing KTee's post from the earlier thread. I so remember KTee hanging onto remote hope that the family was staging the whole kidnap and that the baby was alive. I can identify with that feeling from other cases. From one I just could not get my mind around a young husband laying beside his beautiful wife about to have their first child and plotting their murder. People can be so evil.

I wish someone in this case would tell the truth.

[Narcissist71]

Bringing over from other thread.

Why would you drive your car to pick up a car from the tow yard? Cindy was at work and from the docs doesn't seem like she planned to leave until George called her. So did someone drive George to the tow yard?

jmo

George drove to pick up the Certified Letter.....He wouldn't know what it was about until he got to the post office.

ETA...then reading that the car that was supposed to be in Jacksonville......I can only speak for myself that I'd head over there to check it out.

[5boxersmom]

Taking first shot at trying to gloss over the inevitable maybe? He says more than before. That is interesting. Luca says Lee hasen't received a subpoena and that may signal that the state plans to file charges for obstruction and tampering with evidence. If he got subpoenaed, anything he says can't be used against him at a subsequent criminal trial.

Interesting wording. Luca says some of the things he did could be seen as less than benign. Less than benign. That's a good one.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

He almost sounds worried. :biggrin:

Yep less then benign. Interesting wording.

jmo

[Mimi428]

Ok I am here.

So I wonder what makes Lee's attorney feel the need to say anything at this point? Why not just say nothing?


I haven't figured out why Luka brought up the idea of Lee being charged several weeks ago. But since he did, I guess it isn't surprising that he brought it up again.

Now what I really find surprising is that according to a couple of folks who watched Greta tonight, Luka said that the last time Lee saw Casey was in December. The pdf files of the jail record of visitors has been posted a couple of times & Lee Anthony's name is NOT on there.

So...that made me wonder a bit about what we heard happened several months ago - that Casey had sent a note to the sheriff asking him if there was any way, ANY way, she could have a private meeting with her father. And as it turns out, the sheriff did agree to it. They had it all worked out where they were going to put George & Casey together, they were going to have the visit recorded w/o telling either of them. They were also going to specifically say something to Casey when she entered the room that would cover the legal aspects of it, but at the moment I don't recall exactly what it was.

Anyway...the visit didn't happen. Casey apparently changed her mind about the private meeting with her father.

But now I wonder if she passed another note to the sheriff asking for a meeting with her brother, Lee, during the month of December.

[5boxersmom]

I haven't figured out why Luka brought up the idea of Lee being charged several weeks ago. But since he did, I guess it isn't surprising that he brought it up again.

Now what I really find surprising is that according to a couple of folks who watched Greta tonight, Luka said that the last time Lee saw Casey was in December. The pdf files of the jail record of visitors has been posted a couple of times & Lee Anthony's name is NOT on there.

So...that made me wonder a bit about what we heard happened several months ago - that Casey had sent a note to the sheriff asking him if there was any way, ANY way, she could have a private meeting with her father. And as it turns out, the sheriff did agree to it. They had it all worked out where they were going to put George & Casey together, they were going to have the visit recorded w/o telling either of them. They were also going to specifically say something to Casey when she entered the room that would cover the legal aspects of it, but at the moment I don't recall exactly what it was.

Anyway...the visit didn't happen. Casey apparently changed her mind about the private meeting with her father.

But now I wonder if she passed another note to the sheriff asking for a meeting with her brother, Lee, during the month of December.

Oh I missed Greta. So Lee's attorney said December? Interesting. He is also the attorney that said he had not saw the video of DC and then said he did right?

jmo

[5boxersmom]

George drove to pick up the Certified Letter.....He wouldn't know what it was about until he got to the post office.

ETA...then reading that the car that was supposed to be in Jacksonville......I can only speak for myself that I'd head over there to check it out.

Ok then. So he tells Cindy and she tells co workers the car was located at Johnson Wrecker Service. So she leaves work and goes home to pick him and gas cans up? So there should be EZ pass records on this right?

Sure are a lot of gas cans in this case. :biggrin:

[Adalena935]

I wish for those who think this family was in one big conspiracy to explain to me what the family hoped to gain by not reporting it to the authorities.

Allowing evidence to be destroyed by the elements and time. Hiding evidence. Planning which course of action would be best following Casey murdering the baby. Where to hide the body, etc. Lots of reasons that seem obvious to me.

George is ret detective. How can he not know about how crimes are investigated and what is needed to solve crime? Don't you think he might know how to play stump the law enforcement? Foil the investigators? I think an ex LE would know that better than others who never worked behind the scenes in that capacity.

In short, figuring out what to do and how to go about it. If it turns out to be true, we'll never know what evidence went missing in this case.

They don't have the flesh of the body to examine as they would have otherwise. I could be off base in speculating/wondering about that. Or I might be right.

Maybe they hoped to keep their dtr from being prosecuted for the murder? Maybe they hoped to have LE believe the baby really was kidnapped and lost forever. Alive, but not known where she was or with whom.

Why do you think Cindy Anthony and George Anthony conspired to lie about their dtr missing for a month to the point of lying on the 911 call to report the baby missing?

Because that's exactly what she confesses to in her FBI investigation. They didn't think LE would release those interviews and had a fit and fell in it in anger when they learned that truth would be put out to the public.

Bravo to the FBI for giving us a glimpse of what these people are capable of in the wake of their 3 yr old grandaughter's murder.

[Narcissist71]

He almost sounds worried. :biggrin:

Yep less then benign. Interesting wording.

jmo

Are you reading into the typed print or did you hear him? I didn't see a link to video or audio. Not being smart, just curious if I missed a link to live interview or statement.

[Adalena935]

I didn't know all that about a meeting in December Mimi. That is interesting. I wonder if Lee did have a Dec meeting with Casey. Now that you mention it I vaguely remember hearing something about a proposed meeting of Casey and some family member; I didn't recall who. And that the meeting never materialized.

[Adalena935]

Are you reading into the typed print or did you hear him? I didn't see a link to video or audio. Not being smart, just curious if I missed a link to live interview or statement.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

[happygert]

Just thinking here...Lee will probably be charged soon.. IMO that's why he went back home..Maybe they got the phone records from DC's provider... Notice not a word has been said about DC or the psychic.... Imo one of the A's is on other end.. Not only that all the code talking between casey and lee...She's close to hope.. Just hoping the rest will be charged for their rolls in this case.. maybe LE will charge Lee and after trial either FBI or LE wil charge the rest......JMO

[Narcissist71]

Ok then. So he tells Cindy and she tells co workers the car was located at Johnson Wrecker Service. So she leaves work and goes home to pick him and gas cans up? So there should be EZ pass records on this right?

Sure are a lot of gas cans in this case. :biggrin:

No actually I thought he arrived there and Cindy came with the money.

But are you trying to tie the gas into it? Is this what you are trying to make into something nefarious? If so then that is all you. Yes I agree that he had gas cans in the car regardless of Casey running out of gas in the past (in this very particular instance...as he may have been called by her in the past). But my father also carries gas in the trunk of his car, don't think George is as old as my dad.....I carry gas in the back of my truck. I guess it's just not unusual for me.

[Mimi428]

Oh I missed Greta. So Lee's attorney said December? Interesting. He is also the attorney that said he had not saw the video of DC and then said he did right?

jmo


I think you are right about that.

[Narcissist71]

LOL about lots of Gas Cans.....

I have two in my truck.....my dad has one in his car.....

He has at least two in the garage....

and like 4 to 5 in his shed.

So no not really....

but I admit we do things for ourselves.

[Adalena935]

Ok then. So he tells Cindy and she tells co workers the car was located at Johnson Wrecker Service. So she leaves work and goes home to pick him and gas cans up? So there should be EZ pass records on this right?

Sure are a lot of gas cans in this case. :biggrin:

I need to re-read this part of the case and get it straight in my mind. Here's a news link about it and also the full text of Simon Burch's statement.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567473/detail.html

Burch said there was "bickering … between the two of them." Burch told investigators George Anthony even told him, "I apologize. We'll probably get divorced over this. The daughter is telling us crap, a bunch of lies."

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

Simon Burch full transcript

[happygert]

I think Luka knows his client will be charged...IMO D.A's or LE's office has already talked to him and thats why lee's " out of town".... Maybe we'll have more news this week...mo

Nite all....

[Narcissist71]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

Yes, thanks for the link again....

Is there audio or video? Or is it just typed in this article?

Follow?

[Adalena935]

No actually I thought he arrived there and Cindy came with the money.

But are you trying to tie the gas into it? Is this what you are trying to make into something nefarious? If so then that is all you. Yes I agree that he had gas cans in the car regardless of Casey running out of gas in the past (in this very particular instance...as he may have been called by her in the past). But my father also carries gas in the trunk of his car, don't think George is as old as my dad.....I carry gas in the back of my truck. I guess it's just not unusual for me.

Here's the full transcript of Simon Burch the tow yard manager. It's not so easy to keep all the details straight.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

Simon Burch full transcript

[Mimi428]

I didn't know all that about a meeting in December Mimi. That is interesting. I wonder if Lee did have a Dec meeting with Casey. Now that you mention it I vaguely remember hearing something about a proposed meeting of Casey and some family member; I didn't recall who. And that the meeting never materialized.

It gave me one of those "ohhhhh reeeeeaaallllly?" moments when I read that on the earlier thread. I think even Luka probably knows all the cussing & discussing that has been going on about Casey's visits being videotaped & how she has steadfastly refused any visitors for months. So for him to say Lee saw her in December...? Hmmmm.

Probably one of those maddeningly odd statements that this case is so full of. I can't recall which of the TV websites I was looking at over the weekend, but the writing style was so salacious, so over-the-top with melodramatic adjectives, it was really a disgrace. I thought I was reading one of the Brit tabs.

And the real pity of all of that is that I think fewer & fewer people realize the difference between reporting news & editiorializing.

JMO

[Narcissist71]

I need to re-read this part of the case and get it straight in my mind. Here's a news link about it and also the full text of Simon Burch's statement.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567473/detail.html

Burch said there was "bickering … between the two of them." Burch told investigators George Anthony even told him, "I apologize. We'll probably get divorced over this. The daughter is telling us crap, a bunch of lies."

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

Simon Burch full transcript

Yes I think you'll find the interview with Simon and police to be interesting.

[5boxersmom]

Are you reading into the typed print or did you hear him? I didn't see a link to video or audio. Not being smart, just curious if I missed a link to live interview or statement.

Just reading what he said. Why say anything?

jmo

[Adalena935]

Yes, thanks for the link again....

Is there audio or video? Or is it just typed in this article?

Follow?

Gee I don't know I didn't look. Just read the text briefly then clicked on the full transcript.

[Narcissist71]

Here's the full transcript of Simon Burch the tow yard manager. It's not so easy to keep all the details straight.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

Simon Burch full transcript


Yep, read it, and thanks.....it's informative.

[Mimi428]

Here's the full transcript of Simon Burch the tow yard manager. It's not so easy to keep all the details straight.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf

Simon Burch full transcript


Thanks for that link! I'm going to peruse it & go to bed.

Good night all

[5boxersmom]

No actually I thought he arrived there and Cindy came with the money.

But are you trying to tie the gas into it? Is this what you are trying to make into something nefarious? If so then that is all you. Yes I agree that he had gas cans in the car regardless of Casey running out of gas in the past (in this very particular instance...as he may have been called by her in the past). But my father also carries gas in the trunk of his car, don't think George is as old as my dad.....I carry gas in the back of my truck. I guess it's just not unusual for me.

Just making an observation about the gas cans.

Casey having gas cans in her car on the 24th.

Tone helping break in to the shed to get gas cans.

George bringing gas cans to the tow yard.

George reporting the theft of gas cans.

LE taking gas cans from the home.

Duct tape on a gas can in the shed.

Just seems like gas cans are mentioned a lot in this case. :shrug:

Could there be something evil about it? Who knows.

jmo

[Adalena935]

Thanks for that link! I'm going to peruse it & go to bed.

Good night all

Me too. Nite Mimi

[Narcissist71]

Gee I don't know I didn't look. Just read the text briefly then clicked on the full transcript.

So there is a full transcript to Lee's Lawyer's comments? I didn't see that, can you link to the full transcript?

[5boxersmom]

Just thinking here...Lee will probably be charged soon.. IMO that's why he went back home..Maybe they got the phone records from DC's provider... Notice not a word has been said about DC or the psychic.... Imo one of the A's is on other end.. Not only that all the code talking between casey and lee...She's close to hope.. Just hoping the rest will be charged for their rolls in this case.. maybe LE will charge Lee and after trial either FBI or LE wil charge the rest......JMO

I have noticed that the psychic has not been on NG showing those phone records. :wink:

[shelkobe]

I'm behind and have been skipping left and right, but I wanted to comment on Ricardo Morales's images with the "Win her over with chloroform" comment.

I know in the documents released the other day, nearby where it mentions Ricardo's image, it also reports that Casey Anthony was found (via computer forensics) to have used Ricardo's computer on at least two occasions, suggesting (I suspect) that Casey could have seen the image and perhaps gotten the idea to use chloroform from that.

However, as a lot of us discovered many months ago, Ricardo had that image in a publically accessible file -- either on his Myspace or in a Photobucket account (I can't remember which) -- so Casey did not necessarily find that chloroform image by searching Ricardo's computer, she could have found it by looking at his Myspace or PB account while surfing from her own laptop, or anyone else's computer for that matter.

If this has been mentioned, I apologize, but it's been on my mind ever since Baez requested info. on Ricardo the other day.

[Adalena935]

5boxermom, I haden't realized how many times gas cans have played into this case so far until you listed it out. I hope no one runs out of gas and needs someone to bring them a can of it during the trial.

This is going to sound weird but for no reason I always come up with a nickname for cases usually during the course it's unfolding or during a trial. I thought of a name for this one the other day but it left my mind. These gas cans being in this case is an oddity.

[Narcissist71]

Just making an observation about the gas cans.

Casey having gas cans in her car on the 24th.

Tone helping break in to the shed to get gas cans.

George bringing gas cans to the tow yard.

George reporting the theft of gas cans.

LE taking gas cans from the home.

Duct tape on a gas can in the shed.

Just seems like gas cans are mentioned a lot in this case. :shrug:

Could there be something evil about it? Who knows.

jmo

Well I'll give you that.....but gas is pretty common, and Casey seemed to run out of it quite often, didn't mind stealing or lying to get it.

[shelkobe]

I have noticed that the psychic has not been on NG showing those phone records. :wink:
Yeah, where are those anyway? If she wants credibility, now's the time to produce.

[Adalena935]

I'm behind and have been skipping left and right, but I wanted to comment on Ricardo Morales's images with the "Win her over with chloroform" comment.

I know in the documents released the other day, nearby where it mentions Ricardo's image, it also reports that Casey Anthony was found (via computer forensics) to have used Ricardo's computer on at least two occasions, suggesting (I suspect) that Casey could have seen the image and perhaps gotten the idea to use chloroform from that.

However, as a lot of us discovered many months ago, Ricardo had that image in a publically accessible file -- either on his Myspace or in a Photobucket account (I can't remember which) -- so Casey did not necessarily find that chloroform image by searching Ricardo's computer, she could have found it by looking at his Myspace or PB account while surfing from her own laptop, or anyone else's computer for that matter.

If this has been mentioned, I apologize, but it's been on my mind ever since Baez requested info. on Ricardo the other day.

I think she could have picked the idea up from looking at his myspace (if that's where it was). She seemed to have a habit of scarfing ideas from the things around her. Isn't that an awful thing to think about.

[Narcissist71]

I have noticed that the psychic has not been on NG showing those phone records. :wink:

Nor has Dom. C. gone public with his phone records to my knowledge....

Definitely going Hmmmmmmmm.

[Narcissist71]

I think she could have picked the idea up from looking at his myspace (if that's where it was). She seemed to have a habit of scarfing ideas from the things around her. Isn't that an awful thing to think about.


Wonder if they found a separation funnel at the house?

Doubt Casey even knows what a separation is. LOL

Wonder where she got the acetone....please don't say fingernail polish remover...

Just unlikely IMO. ;)

[5boxersmom]

5boxermom, I haden't realized how many times gas cans have played into this case so far until you listed it out. I hope no one runs out of gas and needs someone to bring them a can of it during the trial.

This is going to sound weird but for no reason I always come up with a nickname for cases usually during the course it's unfolding or during a trial. I thought of a name for this one the other day but it left my mind. These gas cans being in this case is an oddity.

And you know what? I forgot one.

Casey wanting Amy's gas can. Then they went and bought one.

jmo

[Adalena935]

Well I'll give you that.....but gas is pretty common, and Casey seemed to run out of it quite often, didn't mind stealing or lying to get it.

Right. That's what the parents have said. Since the baby was dead in the trunk I can't help but wonder if she thought the smell of gas might neutralize the decomposition smell. I dunno. Never carried either in my trunk. I don't know how important the gas cans will be to this case. But LE did release George's police report of the break in and theft of his gas cans in connection to this case so they must think it has some link to the murder case.

Because at face value I don't see it as anything noteworthy as you say. I'm sure lots of folks carry gas in their cars. Altho the dead body is the kicker. One thing by itself seems innocent enough until you put all the other evidence with it in conjunction with a murder case.

Fishing on Christmas eve in a recently purchased boat is innocuous too unless you're dumping your freshly murdered wife's 8 mo. pregnant with your firstborn's body from it, right?

They do have a mountain of evidence in this case. I've never seen anything like it with them releasing this much info along with these reams of documents, photos and DVD's. In my 50+ yrs of true crime following it's unprecedented.

Kaczynski's trial (had it occured) would have topped it.

[5boxersmom]

Yeah, where are those anyway? If she wants credibility, now's the time to produce.

Oh yeah. I would be waving them for all to see. :biggrin:

[Adalena935]

And you know what? I forgot one.

Casey wanting Amy's gas can. Then they went and bought one.

jmo

Oh my gosh. I can hardly believe it. I didn't know that happened. Thanks for that info. I'm going to keep your list. It's an amazing incidental.

I haven't had that many gas cans in my entire life and I'm old. I just goto the pump.

[Narcissist71]

Right. That's what the parents have said. Since the baby was dead in the trunk I can't help but wonder if she thought the smell of gas might neutralize the decomposition smell. I dunno. Never carried either in my trunk. I don't know how important the gas cans will be to this case. But LE did release George's police report of the break in and theft of his gas cans in connection to this case so they must think it has some link to the murder case.

Because at face value I don't see it as anything noteworthy as you say. I'm sure lots of folks carry gas in their cars. Altho the dead body is the kicker. One thing by itself seems innocent enough until you put all the other evidence with it in conjunction with a murder case.

Fishing on Christmas eve in a recently purchased boat is innocuous too unless you're dumping your freshly murdered wife's 8 mo. pregnant with your firstborn's body from it, right?

They do have a mountain of evidence in this case. I've never seen anything like it with them releasing this much info along with these reams of documents, photos and DVD's. In my 50+ yrs of true crime following it's unprecedented.

Kaczynski's trial (had it occured) would have topped it.

They didn't have a mountain of evidence in the Fishing on Christmas Eve Case......

There was a list of evidence (no sunshine law) made by posters and basically nothing was accurate and used at trial. At least in this case we are seeing some of the "evidence" by the prosecution. I think Casey is more than likely guilty.....

I remember the Cynthia Sommer case, and people used her "lies" and "behavior" as evidence and we all know that was completely wrong as she is innocent.

I'm still waiting for some more solid Circumstantial Evidence in this case, like fingerprints on the duct tape.....

of course it appears the "lies" in this case are more substantial than Cynthia's "lies" or Scott's "lies" as it concerns the actual crime and possible guilt.

[Narcissist71]

Oh my gosh. I can hardly believe it. I didn't know that happened. Thanks for that info. I'm going to keep your list. It's an amazing incidental.

I haven't had that many gas cans in my entire life and I'm old. I just goto the pump.

Wow, maybe the stain in the trunk was Gasoline poured over and over again into the same spot.....

it would probably have some effect on the material......maybe create a stain....

though gasoline is rather volatile....might leave a stain in material.

Wouldn't destroy DNA, so if there was fluids from Caylee there should be DNA.....but why no positive test for blood?

[Adalena935]

Wonder if they found a separation funnel at the house?

Doubt Casey even knows what a separation is. LOL

Wonder where she got the acetone....please don't say fingernail polish remover...
Just unlikely IMO. ;)

I don't know why you're asking me not to call it that. It's not even labeled that by the manufacturers.

LE collected some canisters of bug killer from the property. Maybe they think something of that nature was the instrument of murder. I honestly have no idea waht they think she was murdered with. The trial hasen't happened yet. Just that searches on how to kill with chloroform on her computer. The photo and so called black humor on her ex-boyfriend's myspace.

If I'm not mistaken I think the list of collected items is in one of the sticky links for documents or links/whatever. I read that in one of their lists that they released to the public.

Just because she did the search on how to make chloroform doesn't mean she ever did. I don't know why you expect I'd know the recipe. I didn't even know what you were talking about until I thought about it for awhile.

[Adalena935]

Wow, maybe the stain in the trunk was Gasoline poured over and over again into the same spot.....

it would probably have some effect on the material......maybe create a stain....

though gasoline is rather volatile....might leave a stain in material.

Wouldn't destroy DNA, so if there was fluids from Caylee there should be DNA.....but why no positive test for blood?

:confused:

Sounds like you might benefit from some reading-up on this case.

[Leanne Weich]

True enough about all of that. I haven't yet been able to get my mind around them as witnesses for the prosecution. It's not so much the certainty of others, but at one point talking to the same group of reporters in the front of her house Cindy told two completely conflicting statements within about 10 minutes time. The reporters questioned her about it and she got mad. I don't remember what the issue was her conflicting statements were so rampant in those days it was hard to keep up. But the reporters called her on it right there on the spot. Both statements couldn't have been the truth. I guess they can explain all her inconsistincies away by saying fatigue.

But I don't expect all the jurors will buy it. What they've done is make their dtr look even more guilty than she would have otherwise.

Casey is the big fish so to speak. I think it's a pity such a young woman has put herself in this dire position of probably spending the rest of her life in prison. If I could wave a magic wand and make it all go away I would.

Bear in mind that they can lie to the media and the public all they like - the most blatant lies - and that is not against the law. Doesn't endear them to people but it is what it is, imo.

[mosey?]

Thanks for that link! I'm going to peruse it & go to bed.

Good night allJust an FYI, Simon Birch's testimony wont tell you what went on the first time George showed up. Birch wasnt privy to the convo. Its in Nichol Letts interview (shes the gal at the front desk of Johnsons:

During the morning of July 15, 2008, Mrs. Lett was working the front office of 7777 Narcoossee Road (Johnson's Wrecker East) when George Anthony arrived. George Anthony inquired about the cost and requirements to recover the car from the tow yard. Mrs. Lett told George Anthony what documents he would need, the cost. and advised him Johnson's Wrecker only accepted cash. George Anthony advised he did not have cash, would go get cash, and would return at a later time.

George probably drove over after the PO in his truck, left to call Cindy for cash and returned with Cindy in her Toyota.

[Adalena935]

They didn't have a mountain of evidence in the Fishing on Christmas Eve Case......

I remember.

There was a list of evidence (no sunshine law) made by posters and basically nothing was accurate and used at trial. At least in this case we are seeing some of the "evidence" by the prosecution. I think Casey is more than likely guilty.....

Different states. I heard some talking head say the other day that CA has some semblance of sunshine law but not as sweeping as Florida's.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/sections/news/news/article_286243.php

CA's sunshine laws summarized

[/QUOTE]I remember the Cynthia Sommer case, and people used her "lies" and "behavior" as evidence and we all know that was completely wrong as she is innocent.[/QUOTE]

Not familiar with that case. I never use behavior by itself as evidence of guilt.

[/QUOTE]I'm still waiting for some more solid Circumstantial Evidence in this case, like fingerprints on the duct tape.....[/QUOTE]

DNA and the lies qualify for me so far.

[/QUOTE]of course it appears the "lies" in this case are more substantial than Cynthia's "lies" or Scott's "lies" as it concerns the actual crime and possible guilt. [/QUOTE]

It really is hard to second guess jurys. Remember the case of the guy who murdered his neighbor and dismembered him. Threw him into the gulf I believe but his body parts washed up in bags. The goof confessed and the jury let him go. Not guilty. They also believe he murdered his wife back in Connecticut I believe it was. He also had a traveling companion friend who was never seen again. She disappeared between CT and his boarding house bungalow at the gulf I think it's said. Oh that's so funny. He remained in jail after his not guilty of murder verdict on a bail jumping charge. Every case is unique.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/11/11/durst.verdict/

Durst. Galveston, TX.

[Adalena935]

Thanks mosey. I never read that interview with Nicol.

[Adalena935]

Bear in mind that they can lie to the media and the public all they like - the most blatant lies - and that is not against the law. Doesn't endear them to people but it is what it is, imo.

I know it's not against the law. But jurors might think they did it to cover their dtr's crime.

911 and the FBI aren't the media. To me that's the most blatent and harmful lie. Supposedly looking for missing baby & she starts out telling a giant whopper that favors murdering tot-mom. Then confesses the following month to the FBI.

Don't you suppose at least some of the grandparent's interviews might be played for the jury as evidence? If they play all of Cindy's the trial will drag on longer than OJ's trial. :tongueside:

[Leanne Weich]

I know it's not against the law. But jurors might think they did it to cover their dtr's crime.

911 and the FBI aren't the media. To me that's the most blatent and harmful lie. Supposedly looking for missing baby & she starts out telling a giant whopper that favors murdering tot-mom. Then confesses the following month to the FBI.

Don't you suppose at least some of the grandparent's interviews might be played for the jury as evidence? If they play all of Cindy's the trial will drag on longer than OJ's trial. :tongueside:

They will play any tapes which are relevant to convicting Casey but Cindy wont be on trial so anything that isn't relevant wont be played I don't think.

I don't see why the jury's opinion of Cindy is even relevant as there is more than enough evidence, imo, to convict Casey. If Cindy sits in the courtroom a broken woman, I think you may find some jurors sympathising with her.

[n/t]

They will play any tapes which are relevant to convicting Casey but Cindy wont be on trial so anything that isn't relevant wont be played I don't think.

I don't see why the jury's opinion of Cindy is even relevant as there is more than enough evidence, imo, to convict Casey. If Cindy sits in the courtroom a broken woman, I think you may find some jurors sympathising with her.

I agree. They have to be very careful with the parents. I don't even think the jailhouse tapes will be played. All they have to do is question them about the events leading up to the 911 call made by Cindy including what they smelled and found in the car. They may question the parents about Casey's behaviour at home. The lies, stealing, etc but not sure if they will with the parents or great grandma and Amy.

[AMS]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 27, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

These doll people are slime IMO. From the article:

Showbiz Promotions is already the center of an active civil investigation by the state Attorney General's Office. The allegation: Consumers ordered and paid for merchandise from two Web sites, but never received anything.

One of those sites sells a "Vick Dog Chew Toy" for $7.77.

[cassidy]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 27, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

These doll people are slime IMO. From the article:

Showbiz Promotions is already the center of an active civil investigation by the state Attorney General's Office. The allegation: Consumers ordered and paid for merchandise from two Web sites, but never received anything.

One of those sites sells a "Vick Dog Chew Toy" for $7.77.

Saw that last nite. It's totally disgusting. I cannot image any charity that would want that doll linked to it.

JMO

[Myka]

Oh I missed Greta. So Lee's attorney said December? Interesting. He is also the attorney that said he had not saw the video of DC and then said he did right?

jmo

OMG Yes, he did say that. I was catching up and saw this post. I wanted to ask that as well. When did Lee see Casey in Dec?

[n/t]

Saw that last nite. It's totally disgusting. I cannot image any charity that would want that doll linked to it.

JMO

The sick and disgusting part is people actually buy this crap.:cursing:

[Myka]

The sick and disgusting part is people actually buy this crap.:cursing:

and the doll doesn't even look like Caylee..I posted in a few threads back, do we get a Casey doll complete w/ a mini jail cell too?

[AMS]

and the doll doesn't even look like Caylee..I posted in a few threads back, do we get a Casey doll complete w/ a mini jail cell too?

Accessories could include a gas can and a dance pole.

IMO

[AMS]

Uncut: Caylee Marie Anthony Sings You Are My Sunshine

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/uncut-caylee-marie-anthony-sings-you-are-my-sunshine/

A little bit more video than we typically see on TV.

IMO.

[Myka]

Accessories could include a gas can and a dance pole.

IMOhehe our minds work the same.....lol you could have the zannie the nanny, it would just be an empty box and just think of all of the men dolls you could have?

hey! how about a Cindy doll? You could pull the string and she'll roll off her greatest hits, The Car and the Damn Dead Body, greatest mom of the yr, and the ever popular ( in a screaming tone ) GEORGE!

ok just kidding, we should leave this alone, someone might pick up on it an start making them

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

[ellegna]

Casey Anthony's Brother to Be Questioned Again? (Greta)

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483416,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483416,00.html)

Jacksonville company to sell Caylee Anthony doll

http://www.news-press.com/article/20090127/NEWS01/90127006/1075 (http://www.news-press.com/article/20090127/NEWS01/90127006/1075)

Anthony Prosecution Team Files Witness List.......Baez Requests Sanctions Against The State

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28858629/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28858629/)

Caylee's Grandfather to Stay in Hospital After Telling Family He Wanted to End His Life

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483164,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483164,00.html)

[spageddy]

Uncut: Caylee Marie Anthony Sings You Are My Sunshine

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/uncut-caylee-marie-anthony-sings-you-are-my-sunshine/

A little bit more video than we typically see on TV.

IMO.

Thanks for the link AMS- even though it is the saddest of all the Caylee tapes- it's also the sweetest IMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. In watching last night's shows, Mike Galanos, JVM and NG all on Headline News, I was gratified to hear that george's psychiatric problems will not prevent him from testifying under oath in the trial, if subpoened. Surprised to hear how many callers were concerned that this little episode was a method of avoiding testifying against casey anthony. Proving, imo, the public isn't stupid.

Thanks for the links, left the board last night just as Luka was saying it was likely lee was going to be charged. I wonder if they'll do it before the Super Bowl - lee is busy with that, right?

[ellegna]

Does anyone know what NOI next to Annie Dowling's name stands for? Could it be Notice of Intent?
Did we ever establish what her real last name is? Downing or Dowling?

[bluwaters]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

[farrahrani]

hehe our minds work the same.....lol you could have the zannie the nanny, it would just be an empty box and just think of all of the men dolls you could have?

hey! how about a Cindy doll? You could pull the string and she'll roll off her greatest hits, The Car and the Damn Dead Body, greatest mom of the yr, and the ever popular ( in a screaming tone ) GEORGE!

ok just kidding, we should leave this alone, someone might pick up on it an start making them

Would it include a hammer

[farrahrani]

Does anyone know what NOI next to Annie Dowling's name stands for?
Did we ever establish what her real last name is? Downing or Dowling?

Google is my bestest friend :wub:

First results were "Nation of Islam" "Nitrogens and other inerts" (IIRC), "Net Operating Income"

Then I got "Note of Interest" -- since it was on some kind of case website, I'm guessing that's it :smile:

Well I'll give you that.....but gas is pretty common, and Casey seemed to run out of it quite often, didn't mind stealing or lying to get it.


Yes, but I've said before and I'll say again. Gas was damned expensive at that time, a record high. Something like almost five dollars a gallon, I think. If you are WORKING, or have access to someone who works it isn't an issue for you.
Casey did not work, and needed to pretend she had money on hand as an employed person, therefore she could not constantly be hitting people up for gas. So she tried to run her little car as long as she could, and she started running out on occasion. That's when she came up with the broken gas gauge story.

I am unemployed and its hard for me to go between visits with my ex (he buys my gas at Costco) and try and ration out car trips. I ran out for the first and only time a BLOCK away from Costco and had to have him bring his gas can and get me started again. How embarassing.

Seeing as Casey tells all these fabulous lies, she doesn't feel shame or responsibility for getting stranded, and has no bashfulness in asking Amy or whoever to bring her gas in a can because of her 'broken gauge'

[AMS]

Good morning everyone. In watching last night's shows, Mike Galanos, JVM and NG all on Headline News, I was gratified to hear that george's psychiatric problems will not prevent him from testifying under oath in the trial, if subpoened. Surprised to hear how many callers were concerned that this little episode was a method of avoiding testifying against casey anthony. Proving, imo, the public isn't stupid.

Thanks for the links, left the board last night just as Luka was saying it was likely lee was going to be charged. I wonder if they'll do it before the Super Bowl - lee is busy with that, right?


Good morning! According to Luka: Lee Anthony has been working 18-hour days arranging parking areas for the Super Bowl.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

Not sure what "arranging parking areas" entails...

IMO

[ellegna]

Google is my bestest friend :wub:

First results were "Nation of Islam" "Nitrogens and other inerts" (IIRC), "Net Operating Income"

Then I got "Note of Interest" -- since it was on some kind of case website, I'm guessing that's it :smile:

I thought it stood for notice of intent. Just edited my post since I forgot to include. Note of Interest sounds about right

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. In watching last night's shows, Mike Galanos, JVM and NG all on Headline News, I was gratified to hear that george's psychiatric problems will not prevent him from testifying under oath in the trial, if subpoened. Surprised to hear how many callers were concerned that this little episode was a method of avoiding testifying against casey anthony. Proving, imo, the public isn't stupid.

Thanks for the links, left the board last night just as Luka was saying it was likely lee was going to be charged. I wonder if they'll do it before the Super Bowl - lee is busy with that, right?


Quoting myself to correct the statement above that Luka said it was likely lee would be charged. He did not say that, he said LE wanted to speak to lee again. Very sorry for the inaccurate comment.

:punch: to me.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning! According to Luka: Lee Anthony has been working 18-hour days arranging parking areas for the Super Bowl.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

Not sure what "arranging parking areas" entails...

IMO

Thanks for that link AMS! And speaking of the SB

Don't forget our date for the SB and cheering the Cardinals on. I'll bring the steamed shrimp.....lol. :thumbsup:

[farrahrani]

Maybe he's a valet? :tonguewag:

Like, janitor = "custodial engineer"? :laugh:

Cayleedoll.com has suspended sale of the doll. However, if that pic on the site is the actual doll, they should be ashamed. It looks like any doll you can get from a dollar store or flea market, cheap.

They ARE however offering "Caylee Sunshine" tshirts and bracelets for sale :sneaky:

[AMS]

Thanks for that link AMS! And speaking of the SB

Don't forget our date for the SB and cheering the Cardinals on. I'll bring the steamed shrimp.....lol. :thumbsup:

I could never forget our SB date. Go Cards! I'll bring the "beverages".
:wink:

Maybe LE will wait until after the SB to bring charges against Lee.IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Regina, stop :punch: yourself. "... likely lee was going to be charged. " is exactly what I heard too. Right here on these boards in fact and in an article which I believe was posted by our very credible news source Curry Us. You are not going crazy, you are exactly right. Four ears and/or eyeballs cannot be wrong.

LOL, it was in the link AMS provided and I read it last night when Cury posted it. Was going to correct myself again, but then it would start to look like I was arguing with myself.

"Luka said he fears his client may be charged with obstruction of justice or evidence tampering."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html


:tongueside:

[CelticDawn]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

....and it should have!!


That is ghastly!!
It is disrespectful to Caylees memory
It is opportunistic and vulturelike.....SCAVENGERS!!!!
It bears NO RESEMBLENCE to Caylee...and Im glad they discontinued it....Its too bad they arent put totally out of business.

[toadii]

Does anyone know what NOI next to Annie Dowling's name stands for? Could it be Notice of Intent?
Did we ever establish what her real last name is? Downing or Dowling?
I asked a cop friend, currently working dispatch, what NOI meant and in our small town police dept it means No Other Information. This is not Orlando, however since it follows names without addresses it seems like a good guess.
I believe that the consenus on the board is that it is "Downing".
I noticed names on the witness list which confuse me. Are Dee Crawford and Dolores "Dee" Crawford two individuals or one with a business and a home address listed? This case is loaded with similar sounding names and I get confused. lol
Also is Dante Salah (Address to be provided) the same person as Dante Salati with a given address?

[marshmallow]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

they should be outraged. it is in poor taste and is wrong in a host of ways.

[CelticDawn]

I am sure this would hurt the Anthonys too....which I dont wish to hurt anyone ever again if I can help it....but if I were going to promote a doll...it would be a VOODOO doll of CASEY and I would accessorize with a little pouch full of PINS AND NEEDLES to poke her with...!!! :cuss:

[Regina.Lampert]

....and it should have!!


That is ghastly!!
It is disrespectful to Caylees memory
It is opportunistic and vulturelike.....SCAVENGERS!!!!
It bears NO RESEMBLENCE to Caylee...and Im glad they discontinued it....Its too bad they arent put totally out of business.

On Nancy Grace last night, the owner of the company who wanted to make them, actually said that they didn't make it to Caylee's likeness on purpose, to avoid a problem. Just the idea of a doll with any association to this poor murdered little baby is gruesome. Anything for a quick buck, appalling.

[no1what]

I didn't know all that about a meeting in December Mimi. That is interesting. I wonder if Lee did have a Dec meeting with Casey. Now that you mention it I vaguely remember hearing something about a proposed meeting of Casey and some family member; I didn't recall who. And that the meeting never materialized.

-------------------------------------------------------

Wasn't Lee at the court house for one of Casey's hearings when it was announced they had found Caylee's body?

Maybe this is the Dec. non-meeting where "Lee saw Casey last" the comment was referring to. Lee didn't meet with Casey he just saw her in the court room.

[ishkabibble]

Accessories could include a gas can and a dance pole.

IMO

And she tells lies when you pull the string!

[kitty1182]

I am sure this would hurt the Anthonys too....which I dont wish to hurt anyone ever again if I can help it....but if I were going to promote a doll...it would be a VOODOO doll of CASEY and I would accessorize with a little pouch full of PINS AND NEEDLES to poke her with...!!! :cuss:

Let me know if they hit the market:biggrin:

[farrahrani]

On Nancy Grace last night, the owner of the company who wanted to make them, actually said that they didn't make it to Caylee's likeness on purpose, to avoid a problem. Just the idea of a doll with any association to this poor murdered little baby is gruesome. Anything for a quick buck, appalling.

My guess it would be cheaper to use a warehouse full of cheap doll parts then to manufacture a custom mold for her. Also, while the name Caylee is disputable, and image is more likely to lose a court battle over rights to market it. What he said was a lot of whitewash to try a feeble attempt at sensitivity to cover his own attempt at a cheap and fast sale.

[Barbara fl.]

I wish for those who think this family was in one big conspiracy to explain to me what the family hoped to gain by not reporting it to the authorities.



Good morning all....

First....I certainly do not believe that any of this was a big conspiracy....It was a mother who murdered her child, period.....The family has more to gain by trying to cover up then not to cover up....they are hoping to help their daughter get off......However, I do not put Geroge in this catagory....The rest (Cindy and Lee) probably didn't know what to do once they realized that Caylee was no longer coming home alive....and they set out to help Casey.....

Now, if Cindy or George or Lee would have come out and said that their daughter was a murderer and she should get punished....then everyone would have responded by saying "no wonder she did what she did, look at her family".....because they didn't do that, it is being said "no wonder she did what she did, this is a disfunctional family"....It's a no win situation....

I blame NO ONE but Casey for the murder of her child....I do blame Cindy for trying to cover up, Lee as well.....But I feel that George was just going along to appease Cindy and Lee and it eventually cause somewhat of a breakdown with him....He needs to moure Caylee, as do the rest of the family....but I believe in doing so, they may feel as though they are going against Casey....again, a no win situation......

Hopefully when George gets the help he needs, the rest of the family will follow suit and they can try and salvage what is left of a horribly tragedy in the family.....JMOO

[shelkobe]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.storyIt should outrage them. The doll is in horrible taste.

Rest in peace Caylee.

[Pat]

It gave me one of those "ohhhhh reeeeeaaallllly?" moments when I read that on the earlier thread. I think even Luka probably knows all the cussing & discussing that has been going on about Casey's visits being videotaped & how she has steadfastly refused any visitors for months. So for him to say Lee saw her in December...? Hmmmm.

Probably one of those maddeningly odd statements that this case is so full of. I can't recall which of the TV websites I was looking at over the weekend, but the writing style was so salacious, so over-the-top with melodramatic adjectives, it was really a disgrace. I thought I was reading one of the Brit tabs.

And the real pity of all of that is that I think fewer & fewer people realize the difference between reporting news & editiorializing.

JMO

I was going to offer up this observation yesterday...but decided I didn't want to enter the fray. :laugh: And 'British Tabloid' was the example I planned to use, too.

I would rather not have the melodramatic verbage in newspapers where we are supposed to take their reporting seriously. We have Nancy Grace and these boards for that. :laugh:

[Barbara fl.]

It should outrage them. The doll is in horrible taste.

Rest in peace Caylee.


It will be more of a shame if anyone buys this doll....let this company be stuck with every last one of them.....

I hope the courts can stop this madness....

[shelkobe]

Does anyone know what NOI next to Annie Dowling's name stands for? Could it be Notice of Intent?
Did we ever establish what her real last name is? Downing or Dowling?

I looked on here and thought it might be Not Otherwise Identified, meaning there was no address/city listed for her that the typist could enter on the form.

http://www.acronymfinder.com/NOI.html

[playnice]

I dont know if anyone remembers Chatty Cathy dolls from years ago.:blushing:
They could make a Chatty Casey. Pull string, talks real fast. Says, "Absolutely Im reaching in a backwards sort of way. "

[Dells]

Ok I am here.

So I wonder what makes Lee's attorney feel the need to say anything at this point? Why not just say nothing?

I don't know why he is just not staying quiet either. Lee's attorney is the one that is bringing attention to his client. If he wasn't on the talk shows saying how much his client needed immunity, then we wouldn't even be talking about it. I don't know what his motive is. He certainly isn't doing his client any favors.

JMO

[desmom]

"Caylee" doll that outraged many is now suspended
http://www.cbs12.com/news/caylee_4713655___article.html/doll_sunshine.html

[desmom]

Sales Suspended of Caylee Doll Made as 'Tribute' to Murdered Florida Girl
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483446,00.html

From the link, this company also made Sarah Palin dolls and Michael Vick dog chew toys.

[farrahrani]

From the link: Showbiz Promotions is already the center of an active civil investigation by the state Attorney General's Office. The allegation: Consumers ordered and paid for merchandise from two Web sites, but never received anything.

It looks like this is some kind of rip off company anyway. People that would have been ordering those dolls may have ended up paying for and then not getting them. I didn't see where they are discontinued, though. :confused:


Visit cayleedoll.com it says they are suspending it.

[cherish]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

Totally disgusting. Maybe the Anthony's having copyrights to Caylee's name wasn't such a bad idea after all.

[WillowInFlight]

Sales Suspended of Caylee Doll Made as 'Tribute' to Murdered Florida Girl
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,483446,00.html

From the link, this company also made Sarah Palin dolls and Michael Vick dog chew toys.

Instead of just suspending the doll maybe the whole company needs to be shut done.

[Dells]

True enough about all of that. I haven't yet been able to get my mind around them as witnesses for the prosecution. It's not so much the certainty of others, but at one point talking to the same group of reporters in the front of her house Cindy told two completely conflicting statements within about 10 minutes time. The reporters questioned her about it and she got mad. I don't remember what the issue was her conflicting statements were so rampant in those days it was hard to keep up. But the reporters called her on it right there on the spot. Both statements couldn't have been the truth. I guess they can explain all her inconsistincies away by saying fatigue.

But I don't expect all the jurors will buy it. What they've done is make their dtr look even more guilty than she would have otherwise.

Casey is the big fish so to speak. I think it's a pity such a young woman has put herself in this dire position of probably spending the rest of her life in prison. If I could wave a magic wand and make it all go away I would.

Well, hopefully when push comes to shove, and Cindy and George have to testify during the trial, they just go w/one version of events. Hopefully for them that version is the truth. George is already capable of that because he did testify at the GJ.

Part of me feels pity for the circumstances of the situation as well. Casey is only 22 years old, and she had her whole life ahead of her. I have a niece who is 21 years old and a junior in college. The rest of her life is laid out before her w/so many possibilities and hopes and dreams.

For whatever reason, Casey took that all away for herself. I don't know why she felt that murdering her 2 year old daughter would be the best option in life for her. I have to think that it was no accident because if it was, she would have fessed up to it by now and tried to salvage what was left of her life. She could have cooperated w/the police and told the truth. She would have still gotten a lot of jail time, but maybe she could have served 20 years and been out in her early 40's. She could have still gotten married and perhaps even had some sort of family then. She would have almost gotten a 2nd chance at life, albeit a late 2nd chance, but a 2nd chance nevertheless. Poor little Caylee won't ever even get another chance at life again. There are no 2nd chances for her.:sad:

I also feel pity for what Casey has done to her family. They are ruined emotionally, physically, spiritually... I would love to know what Casey is thinking right now sitting there in her jail cell. Does she feel pity for her father and what her actions have done to him? Part of me wishes that the pressure starts to get to her and she starts to realize what she has done to her family and to Caylee. With having to appear at all her future court hearings, I hope she can realize the serious magnitude of the situation that she has gotten herself into. I hope it eats away at her and she feels compelled to confess to what she has done. I doubt that will happen, but one can hope...

[Regina.Lampert]

Dell, just relisten to the last video they released with casey anthony and her parents. This monster only sees herself as the victim and has absolutely no empathy for anyone else, imo.

I think her only concern about george is how his breakdown will effect HER.

[Dells]

Taking first shot at trying to gloss over the inevitable maybe? He says more than before. That is interesting. Luca says Lee hasen't received a subpoena and that may signal that the state plans to file charges for obstruction and tampering with evidence. If he got subpoenaed, anything he says can't be used against him at a subsequent criminal trial.

Interesting wording. Luca says some of the things he did could be seen as less than benign. Less than benign. That's a good one.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

Luca is definitely using some interesting wording. Less than benign? What is that supposed to mean?

I think in the scheme of things, all of this won't matter once it goes to trial. The jury will see the evidence, and they will convict Casey of the 1st degree murder of her daughter.

[kOOkie1]

Morning everyone...The drama just never stops in this case thats for sure! George, Lee, the doll, Baez..sheech!!!!!:wink: (jmo)



That was a great post , btw Dells

[bchand]

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Wasn't Lee at the court house for one of Casey's hearings when it was announced they had found Caylee's body?

Maybe this is the Dec. non-meeting where "Lee saw Casey last" the comment was referring to. Lee didn't meet with Casey he just saw her in the court room.

IIRC that report was later debunked. I don't think he was in court that day.

[hamebone]

Dell, just relisten to the last video they released with casey anthony and her parents. This monster only sees herself as the victim and has absolutely no empathy for anyone else, imo.

I think her only concern about george is how his breakdown will effect HER.



In the third 911 call when Cindy told Casey the operated wanted to talk to her, she replied, why do they want to talk to me?....in the last visit with her parents Casey asked why is she ( cindy ) crying?

She doesnt get it. I am sure when told about her father....she asked , why, wonder what his problem is?

She doesnt have feelings for anyone but Casey.

[Libertie]

Dell, just relisten to the last video they released with casey anthony and her parents. This monster only sees herself as the victim and has absolutely no empathy for anyone else, imo.

I think her only concern about george is how his breakdown will effect HER.ITA, I was just going to type the same response.

[WillowInFlight]

So it looks like nothing new has broken on this case. I'm getting so used to waking up in the morning, reading the latest OMG headlines and walking around all day like this :eek:

So, George is still in the hospital and okay.
Cindy is still holed up in the house and letting Conway speak for her.
Lee is sweating a little because he has not received a subpoena which his lawyer says may be a sign that he is going to be charged.
Casey still clamming up in jail. No word on snacks as yet.
Have I covered everybody?

You forgot about Caylee, after all this is about Caylee.

[Dells]

I think she could have picked the idea up from looking at his myspace (if that's where it was). She seemed to have a habit of scarfing ideas from the things around her. Isn't that an awful thing to think about.

I think if she got the idea to use chloroform from the picture on Ricardo's my space it is because she just happened to see it there. I don't think Ricardo played any part in Caylee's disappearance or murder and I am sure that he and Casey never even discussed chloroform at all. The defense focusing on him right now is just more smoke and mirrors. They are looking for whatever they can get on him to make him appear sinister and to take the focus off of Casey. It may work in the court of public opinion, but it will not work in a court of law. Once the jury sees all the evidence against Casey layed out in an organized and methodical fashion, all the smoke and mirrors in the world will not matter. She will be convicted of murdering her daughter.

JMO

[Dells]

Nor has Dom. C. gone public with his phone records to my knowledge....

Definitely going Hmmmmmmmm.

He may not have gone public with his phone records, but there is no doubt in my mind that LE does have those records. I am sure what is on them is very compelling....:biggrin:

[AMS]

So it looks like nothing new has broken on this case. I'm getting so used to waking up in the morning, reading the latest OMG headlines and walking around all day like this :eek:

So, George is still in the hospital and okay.
Cindy is still holed up in the house and letting Conway speak for her.
Lee is sweating a little because he has not received a subpoena which his lawyer says may be a sign that he is going to be charged.
Casey still clamming up in jail. No word on snacks as yet.
Have I covered everybody?


Don't forget poor little Caylee still waiting for a proper funeral. :sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

Luca is definitely using some interesting wording. Less than benign? What is that supposed to mean?

I think in the scheme of things, all of this won't matter once it goes to trial. The jury will see the evidence, and they will convict Casey of the 1st degree murder of her daughter.

Maybe he only gets paid if Lee is charged with something. I've never seen such unprofessional lawyering in my life. It's like they all came right out of a Barnum and Bailey trailer just for the Anthony crew. :unsure:

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

You forgot about Caylee, after all this is about Caylee.

I think that's all part of the master plan Willow. We've seen that since day thirty-one IMOO.

:rose: Still seeking justice for Caylee Marie Anthony. :rose:

[?noanswer]

LOL, it was in the link AMS provided and I read it last night when Cury posted it. Was going to correct myself again, but then it would start to look like I was arguing with myself.

"Luka said he fears his client may be charged with obstruction of justice or evidence tampering."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html


:tongueside:

He also said LE had not talked to him. Had called them, but they did not return his call. Remembering the episode on the Hoover video tapes, I don't know if I put much creddence in what he says. When he said Lee talked to KC in Dec., he had the same "deer in headlight" look that he had on that prior interview. I think that was another misstatement from him. As I posted last night, "He makes JB look good"!!!! JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Caylee not buried yet. I heard on NG which I was only half-listening to last night, someone saying that they are getting ready to make funeral arrangements. Is that true or just something to stifle the masses?

IDK, I was watching the Bachelor :blushing: I hope it's true

[?noanswer]

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Wasn't Lee at the court house for one of Casey's hearings when it was announced they had found Caylee's body?

Maybe this is the Dec. non-meeting where "Lee saw Casey last" the comment was referring to. Lee didn't meet with Casey he just saw her in the court room.

I don't know if there was a meeting, but I don't think KC was attending the meetings at that time. JMO

[Dells]

They will play any tapes which are relevant to convicting Casey but Cindy wont be on trial so anything that isn't relevant wont be played I don't think.

I don't see why the jury's opinion of Cindy is even relevant as there is more than enough evidence, imo, to convict Casey. If Cindy sits in the courtroom a broken woman, I think you may find some jurors sympathising with her.

I think once this goes to trial, the focus will be on Casey. She can be happy then because she will receive all the attention.:wink: I don't think the Grandparents or Lee will figure into the trial too much. I agree that they will play the relevant Cindy tapes that will help convict Casey. I am not sure if they will play any interview tapes for the jury, but I would bet my bottom dollar that they are going to play the 911 call where Cindy says the car smells like there has been a dead body in the damn car. I am sure that will get the jury's attention.

[witchywoman]

I am sure this would hurt the Anthonys too....which I dont wish to hurt anyone ever again if I can help it....but if I were going to promote a doll...it would be a VOODOO doll of CASEY and I would accessorize with a little pouch full of PINS AND NEEDLES to poke her with...!!! :cuss:

mo, but right on lol

[courtsinsession]

I think if she got the idea to use chloroform from the picture on Ricardo's my space it is because she just happened to see it there. I don't think Ricardo played any part in Caylee's disappearance or murder and I am sure that he and Casey never even discussed chloroform at all. The defense focusing on him right now is just more smoke and mirrors. They are looking for whatever they can get on him to make him appear sinister and to take the focus off of Casey. It may work in the court of public opinion, but it will not work in a court of law. Once the jury sees all the evidence against Casey layed out in an organized and methodical fashion, all the smoke and mirrors in the world will not matter. She will be convicted of murdering her daughter.

JMO

I so agree; IMO Casey got the idea from that picture; she said to herself, wow, chloroform, what a great idea-----

[WillowInFlight]

I so agree; IMO Casey got the idea from that picture; she said to herself, wow, chloroform, what a great idea-----

Did we ever find out the date that he first posted the poster?

[CC I See]

Just making an observation about the gas cans.

Casey having gas cans in her car on the 24th.

Tone helping break in to the shed to get gas cans.

George bringing gas cans to the tow yard.

George reporting the theft of gas cans.

LE taking gas cans from the home.

Duct tape on a gas can in the shed.

Just seems like gas cans are mentioned a lot in this case. :shrug:

Could there be something evil about it? Who knows.

jmo Has anyone heard if the gas cans could have been used to mix the chemicals to make chloroform in and if that was why LE took them as evidence?

I know that Casey was short on money but seem to have enough for food and other needs.... could she been after the cans themselves and not just the gas?

Why would TonE help her break into the shed, why not give her money for gas and forget the cans. This makes no sense to me.

[Dells]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
Amy L. Edwards | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 27, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

These doll people are slime IMO. From the article:

Showbiz Promotions is already the center of an active civil investigation by the state Attorney General's Office. The allegation: Consumers ordered and paid for merchandise from two Web sites, but never received anything.

One of those sites sells a "Vick Dog Chew Toy" for $7.77.

I'm sure they are outraged! They are trying to grieve for their granddaughter (who they haven't even been able to put to rest yet) and some low life scumbag comes out with this doll. How low will some people go? This is absolutely disgusting and sickening on so many levels. It truly disturbs me what some people are willing to do for money.:crying:

[Januarybaby]

I am so relieved they suspended the release of that horrible Caylee doll.
What still bothers me tho is they still have bracelets, stickers and a t-shirt being sold.

I think the only thing that would make me feel better is if ALL the money went to an organization for finding missing children instead of just a "portion". (not the Caylee doll tho, that should never be released)

[?noanswer]

I so agree; IMO Casey got the idea from that picture; she said to herself, wow, chloroform, what a great idea-----

I don't know how that picture would suggest to someone to use chloroform for murder. The message portrayed in that picture was of a sexual nature, not murder. JMO

[no1what]

Has anyone heard if the gas cans could have been used to mix the chemicals to make chloroform in and if that was why LE took them as evidence?

I know that Casey was short on money but seem to have enough for food and other needs.... could she been after the cans themselves and not just the gas?

Why would TonE help her break into the shed, why not give her money for gas and forget the cans. This makes no sense to me.

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I just watched a "Bones" segment where a body was chloroformed and they showed one of the techs doing a test on the jaw bone of the murder victim to confirm chlorform was used and the chemical makeup.

I know these shows are off but can they be this off and is it really possible to do a test for chloroform on skeltal remains?

[Dells]

Good morning everyone. In watching last night's shows, Mike Galanos, JVM and NG all on Headline News, I was gratified to hear that george's psychiatric problems will not prevent him from testifying under oath in the trial, if subpoened. Surprised to hear how many callers were concerned that this little episode was a method of avoiding testifying against casey anthony. Proving, imo, the public isn't stupid.

Thanks for the links, left the board last night just as Luka was saying it was likely lee was going to be charged. I wonder if they'll do it before the Super Bowl - lee is busy with that, right?

I was glad to hear that he will still be able to testify too. I think the only way his psychiatric problems could prevent him from testifying would be if he was declared mentally incompetent and committed to an institution long term. I don't see that happening. I hope that he is on his way to a complete recovery and that he is able to put his life back together. I think he has a long road ahead of him and won't completely be on his way until after Caylee is buried and until after the trial.

[bungeebaby]

So it looks like nothing new has broken on this case. I'm getting so used to waking up in the morning, reading the latest OMG headlines and walking around all day like this :eek:

So, George is still in the hospital and okay.
Cindy is still holed up in the house and letting Conway speak for her.
Lee is sweating a little because he has not received a subpoena which his lawyer says may be a sign that he is going to be charged.
Casey still clamming up in jail. No word on snacks as yet.
Have I covered everybody?

Well, the internet is the last thing I do in the a.m. before showering and I certainly don't think about Caylee first thing - other more pressing issues occupy the brain - BUT, that being said, I do agree with your assessment of the situation - nothing has changed and I hardly ever come here anymore but came today to see if anything is new - NOT!! So all of you, have a good day and try to do something good for your neighbors and country today. :smile:

[msgatorslayer]

Morning, everyone. I've been soooo news deprived, for days. Did catch NG lastnight and was disgusted about the Caylee doll. Glad to see this morning that sales have been suspended.

[?noanswer]

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I just watched a "Bones" segment where a body was chloroformed and they showed one of the techs doing a test on the jaw bone of the murder victim to confirm chlorform was used and the chemical makeup.

I know these shows are off but can they be this off and is it really possible to do a test for chloroform on skeltal remains?

Is one of the defense experts associated with this show? If so, I guess she is familar with chloroform. But as you say, those shows might not be totally accurate in portraying the subject. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

I was glad to hear that he will still be able to testify too. I think the only way his psychiatric problems could prevent him from testifying would be if he was declared mentally incompetent and committed to an institution long term. I don't see that happening. I hope that he is on his way to a complete recovery and that he is able to put his life back together. I think he has a long road ahead of him and won't completely be on his way until after Caylee is buried and until after the trial.

The day George will heal is the day he accepts the truth, and the sooner he does that the better off he will be.

[CC I See]

I am so relieved they suspended the release of that horrible Caylee doll.
What still bothers me tho is they still have bracelets, stickers and a t-shirt being sold.

I think the only thing that would make me feel better is if ALL the money went to an organization for finding missing children instead of just a "portion".
I don't see where they have suspended release of the doll.... it looks like they still plan to according to this link. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

[Januarybaby]

I don't see where they have suspended release of the doll.... it looks like they still plan to according to this link. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

I am taking out that the link that I posted. Just didnt seem right to do it, but you can go to the Caylee doll website and read about it.

It says they have suspended it due to the reponse of the public.

[Pat]

I think once this goes to trial, the focus will be on Casey. She can be happy then because she will receive all the attention.:wink: I don't think the Grandparents or Lee will figure into the trial too much. I agree that they will play the relevant Cindy tapes that will help convict Casey. I am not sure if they will play any interview tapes for the jury, but I would bet my bottom dollar that they are going to play the 911 call where Cindy says the car smells like there has been a dead body in the damn car. I am sure that will get the jury's attention.

The two highlighted sentences I absolutely agree with.

It will be of interest to see which video/calls actually makes it into evidence, and what the prosecution actually decides to use.

If there is too much about the Anthonys and Lee, then the trial becomes about them, rather than Casey.

And regarding the statements from Lee's attorney about the subpoena...given we've heard the trial won't start any time soon, is it early in the case to be issuing subpoenas?

Most of what I know about trials comes from having watched Law&Order...no mucking about and taking forever on that show! In and out of the courtroom with a verdict in an hour! :grin:

[jakee]

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I just watched a "Bones" segment where a body was chloroformed and they showed one of the techs doing a test on the jaw bone of the murder victim to confirm chlorform was used and the chemical makeup.

I know these shows are off but can they be this off and is it really possible to do a test for chloroform on skeltal remains?


IIRC, last night on NG, the expert she had on said they could not find chloroform in the bones. But then I think a few months ago, a different expert said you could. I am very confused. :confused:

[PuffDragon]

On Nancy Grace last night, the owner of the company who wanted to make them, actually said that they didn't make it to Caylee's likeness on purpose, to avoid a problem. Just the idea of a doll with any association to this poor murdered little baby is gruesome. Anything for a quick buck, appalling.

When I heard that I thought, heh, they've got a stock of ugly blond dolls that aren't selling, let's see if they'll move if we put a 'Sunshine' song on the chip and name them Caylee Marie Anthony Memorial Dolls. We'll say we deliberately didn't make them to look like her.......

[CC I See]

http://www.cayleedoll.com/

It says they have suspended it due to the reponse of the public.

Thank you for the answer..... I wonder what they plan on doing with the dolls they have, if they have any at all. Looks like they advertise products they don't have according to this...

Showbiz Promotions is already the center of an active civil investigation by the state Attorney General's Office. The allegation: Consumers ordered and paid for merchandise from two Web sites, but never received anything.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

[Lavenia]

Totally disgusting. Maybe the Anthony's having copyrights to Caylee's name wasn't such a bad idea after all.

This was my theory when they did it. I thought they might be protecting the name from others.

ETA: Jan 10 Part II Post 528

"My hesitation in deriding the Ants for TMing Caylee's name is I'm not sure what that some slick attorney didn't counsel them into doing this. I can just hear a lawyer laying out a case for doing it and telling them how it would be a protection for her name and so on. That's why I'm taking a wait and see approach."

[Regina.Lampert]

Has anyone heard if the gas cans could have been used to mix the chemicals to make chloroform in and if that was why LE took them as evidence?

I know that Casey was short on money but seem to have enough for food and other needs.... could she been after the cans themselves and not just the gas?

Why would TonE help her break into the shed, why not give her money for gas and forget the cans. This makes no sense to me.

In six months of discussing this case, I have never heard this theory. Good sleuthing! :thumbup:

[no1what]

You know how the Prosecution sometimes takes the jury members to the scene of the crime to give them a better understanding of how the crime played out?

Is it possible for the Prosecution to do a reenactment of what the smell of decomposition smells like in the trunk of a car and then compare it to what a rotting pizza smells like in the trunk of the car????

I think they use pigs to do these types of analyses. IMO this would show how you can not mistake the smell of decomp.

[Dells]

Good morning all....

First....I certainly do not believe that any of this was a big conspiracy....It was a mother who murdered her child, period.....The family has more to gain by trying to cover up then not to cover up....they are hoping to help their daughter get off......However, I do not put Geroge in this catagory....The rest (Cindy and Lee) probably didn't know what to do once they realized that Caylee was no longer coming home alive....and they set out to help Casey.....

Now, if Cindy or George or Lee would have come out and said that their daughter was a murderer and she should get punished....then everyone would have responded by saying "no wonder she did what she did, look at her family".....because they didn't do that, it is being said "no wonder she did what she did, this is a disfunctional family"....It's a no win situation....

I blame NO ONE but Casey for the murder of her child....I do blame Cindy for trying to cover up, Lee as well.....But I feel that George was just going along to appease Cindy and Lee and it eventually cause somewhat of a breakdown with him....He needs to moure Caylee, as do the rest of the family....but I believe in doing so, they may feel as though they are going against Casey....again, a no win situation......

Hopefully when George gets the help he needs, the rest of the family will follow suit and they can try and salvage what is left of a horribly tragedy in the family.....JMOO

I agree w/your post. Once Casey murdered Caylee, the family was put in no win situation. Their best bet would have been to keep silent about everything. They could have just said that they love their daughter and they will see her through this horrible ordeal that she created for herself.

[WillowInFlight]

Has anyone heard if the gas cans could have been used to mix the chemicals to make chloroform in and if that was why LE took them as evidence?

I know that Casey was short on money but seem to have enough for food and other needs.... could she been after the cans themselves and not just the gas?

Why would TonE help her break into the shed, why not give her money for gas and forget the cans. This makes no sense to me.

Are you thinking TonE knew something was up?

[Dells]

From the link: Showbiz Promotions is already the center of an active civil investigation by the state Attorney General's Office. The allegation: Consumers ordered and paid for merchandise from two Web sites, but never received anything.

It looks like this is some kind of rip off company anyway. People that would have been ordering those dolls may have ended up paying for and then not getting them. I didn't see where they are discontinued, though. :confused:

Bolding is mine...

Why does that not surprise me?:sneaky:

[WillowInFlight]

I agree w/your post. Once Casey murdered Caylee, the family was put in no win situation. Their best bet would have been to keep silent about everything. They could have just said that they love their daughter and they will see her through this horrible ordeal that she created for herself.

They could have, but they didn't.

[Regina.Lampert]

I was glad to hear that he will still be able to testify too. I think the only way his psychiatric problems could prevent him from testifying would be if he was declared mentally incompetent and committed to an institution long term. I don't see that happening. I hope that he is on his way to a complete recovery and that he is able to put his life back together. I think he has a long road ahead of him and won't completely be on his way until after Caylee is buried and until after the trial.

IMO, if george is genuinely interested in healing and is honest with his therapist, I think there is a very good chance he will be able to see casey anthony for the monster she is and really cooperate with the prosecution seeking justice for his granddaughter, Caylee.

[Dells]

Thanks, Des. I am a day behind in the news. I am so glad that the company cancelled these plans. I think it is disrespectful not only to Caylee herself but to her family. As much as I don't condone much of the behavior I have seen from these people, at least they did this right. They did the right thing here objecting to this doll. Good for them.

I agree. That doll is disrespectful to human kind and to all things that are good in this world.

[Pooh]

You know how the Prosecution sometimes takes the jury members to the scene of the crime to give them a better understanding of how the crime played out?

Is it possible for the Prosecution to do a reenactment of what the smell of decomposition smells like in the trunk of a car and then compare it to what a rotting pizza smells like in the trunk of the car????

I think they use pigs to do these types of analyses. IMO this would show how you can not mistake the smell of decomp.

I would think not. Too prejudicial. The defense would have a fit imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

I think once this goes to trial, the focus will be on Casey. She can be happy then because she will receive all the attention.:wink: I don't think the Grandparents or Lee will figure into the trial too much. I agree that they will play the relevant Cindy tapes that will help convict Casey. I am not sure if they will play any interview tapes for the jury, but I would bet my bottom dollar that they are going to play the 911 call where Cindy says the car smells like there has been a dead body in the damn car. I am sure that will get the jury's attention.

Oh, but I see the "What do they want to talk to me for?" from the tot-mom excerpt as an eye-roller too. JMO:scared:

[WillowInFlight]

You know how the Prosecution sometimes takes the jury members to the scene of the crime to give them a better understanding of how the crime played out?

Is it possible for the Prosecution to do a reenactment of what the smell of decomposition smells like in the trunk of a car and then compare it to what a rotting pizza smells like in the trunk of the car????

I think they use pigs to do these types of analyses. IMO this would show how you can not mistake the smell of decomp.

Why would they? it was already proven there was no pizza, it was an empty pizza box.

[CANDYKISSES]

Are you thinking TonE knew something was up?

Not CC Willow, but I don't think so. Did Jose put an updated witness list out today too? :biggrin:

I was hoping he would list all the CIRCUS ACTS individually. :tongueside:

JMO

[really3997]

I agree w/your post. Once Casey murdered Caylee, the family was put in no win situation. Their best bet would have been to keep silent about everything. They could have just said that they love their daughter and they will see her through this horrible ordeal that she created for herself.

If they would have done that there would be no Protesters the Media would have likely not been in front of the house 24/7. Padilla probably would have not bailed her out. No live sightings drama. Equasearch might have searched when they first got out here. No Garrison...

Yep "NO COMMENT" would have gone a long way

[CANDYKISSES]

Why would they? it was already proven there was no pizza, it was an empty pizza box.

One more little mistruth from CA, not to mention the poor dead squirrels....:scared:

[court~critic1®]

I would think not. Too prejudicial. The defense would have a fit imo.


Good answer........plus does the LE know just where Caylee was slain? If so I haven't heard about it. Has anyone?

[WillowInFlight]

Not CC Willow, but I don't think so. Did Jose put an updated witness list out today too? :biggrin:

I was hoping he would list all the CIRCUS ACTS individually. :tongueside:

JMO

Candy let me ask you, do you think this will go to trial?

[CC I See]

In six months of discussing this case, I have never heard this theory. Good sleuthing! :thumbup:
Thank you ! I also thought that if this is true and that the Chloroform was mixed in the gas cans and in the trunk of the car, this would be how chloroform would be on the carpet and other areas of the trunk. It spilled there while mixing and using the mixture. Didn't someone suggest that kids used chloroform to party with and kept it in their car trunks?

[WillowInFlight]

One more little mistruth from CA, not to mention the poor dead squirrels....:scared:

Oh honey don't feel bad, they were dead when they crawled up under the engine. :laugh:

[trich]

They could have, but they didn't.

Yes and that is why there is so much distrust and lack of compassion for this family.

[Beach~Tenant]

Caylee doll outrages Anthony family
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

Thanks for the link Bluwaters!! I am happy to see the anger the A's have towards this idiot!! I hope he and whoever else is behind these dolls are SUE'D to high heaven!

G'mornin all....jus getting on and trying to get caught up :wink:

[really3997]

Oh honey don't feel bad, they were dead when they crawled up under the engine. :laugh:

How do you know dead squirrels can't crawl have you performed independent testing...:tonguewag:

[beetlebrow]

IMO, if george is genuinely interested in healing and is honest with his therapist, I think there is a very good chance he will be able to see casey anthony for the monster she is and really cooperate with the prosecution seeking justice for his granddaughter, Caylee.

ITA.....do you think Cindy could be getting a little nervous :tonguewag:

[Roux]

IMO, if george is genuinely interested in healing and is honest with his therapist, I think there is a very good chance he will be able to see casey anthony for the monster she is and really cooperate with the prosecution seeking justice for his granddaughter, Caylee.

Watching Intervention on A&E last night something the interventionist said made me think of G&C. A mother had lost a son, had another son on the brink of death due to alcohol. He told her she had to walk thru the pain in order to get better. As long as she didn't face her grief and fear, she would never get beyond her own alcohol abuse. G&C have to do as so many other parents of murdered children and parents of murderers, face it and try to walk on through.

[beetlebrow]

Thank you ! I also thought that if this is true and that the Chloroform was mixed in the gas cans and in the trunk of the car, this would be how chloroform would be on the carpet and other areas of the trunk. It spilled there while mixing and using the mixture. Didn't someone suggest that kids used chloroform to party with and kept it in their car trunks?

Awhile back when I read about chloroform, I am pretty sure I read that it has to be mixed in glass. And something about ice, to keep the temperature low...

[Regina.Lampert]

Thank you ! I also thought that if this is true and that the Chloroform was mixed in the gas cans and in the trunk of the car, this would be how chloroform would be on the carpet and other areas of the trunk. It spilled there while mixing and using the mixture. Didn't someone suggest that kids used chloroform to party with and kept it in their car trunks?

Yes, I think it was Dr. Baden on GVS who mentioned that kids used chloroform to party. The chloroform aspect of this case is the one I am most interested in and cannot wait to hear what the State says about it at trial.

[WillowInFlight]

How do you know dead squirrels can't crawl have you performed independent testing...:tonguewag:

:laugh: At least you didn't ask for a link. :laugh:

[CANDYKISSES]

Candy let me ask you, do you think this will go to trial?

Yes, but I don't think it should. I agree with KG and JP regarding a plea, but fear Jose is too enamoured with his new found fame and will insist on seeing his face on TV for a while disregarding what's best for his GIRL....JMOOC. :mad:

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, but I don't think it should. I agree with KG and JP regarding a plea, but fear Jose is too enamoured with his new found fame and will insist on seeing his face on TV for a while disregarding what's best for his GIRL....JMOOC. :mad:

ITA, for some reason Judge Ito comes to mind. LOL

[msgatorslayer]

I'm glad to hear George is still in the hospital. This tells me that he wants to be there, to talk to someone, and get help.

Has Cindy went to visit him yet?

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh honey don't feel bad, they were dead when they crawled up under the engine. :laugh:

Allegedly Willow, remember, ALLEGEDLY....per Casey who is a stranger to the TRUTH IMHO as well as in other's too.

:ohmy:

I'd love to know who was writing that script. :unsure: JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

ITA.....do you think Cindy could be getting a little nervous :tonguewag:

Could be, in addition to being a little angry:

DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: They say he`s doing OK. He`s -- the Baker Act stipulates that he should be kept under surveillance for 72 hours. But I talked to his attorney. He said he`s doing better. He`s in bed. He`s talked with Cindy Anthony. She was at first distraught over this whole news, then he said almost -- she was almost kind of angry that this happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/23/ng.01.html

I saw a clip of cynthia leaving the home in her car yesterday and she laid down some rubber........zoom, zoom, zoom.

[msgatorslayer]

You know how the Prosecution sometimes takes the jury members to the scene of the crime to give them a better understanding of how the crime played out?

Is it possible for the Prosecution to do a reenactment of what the smell of decomposition smells like in the trunk of a car and then compare it to what a rotting pizza smells like in the trunk of the car????

I think they use pigs to do these types of analyses. IMO this would show how you can not mistake the smell of decomp.

I'm hoping for a jury field trip. They might not need to do a reenactment. Couple of months ago, it was mentioned that THE CAR still smelled of decomp.

[Roux]

I quickly glanced over the link yesterday wherein the Fla Bar has dropped their investigation of Jose. They apparently just took at face value what the atty for Baez told them. What I would like to know is who is the family in Connecticut that offered to pay Todd Black, and for the entire time until the case is ended.

[Regina.Lampert]

Awhile back when I read about chloroform, I am pretty sure I read that it has to be mixed in glass. And something about ice, to keep the temperature low...


I don't see the odious creature going to any great lengths to do a good job in mixing the chemicals, I picture her putting bleach and acetone and perhaps some alcohol into a container, and using that mixture to subdue poor Caylee.

[CANDYKISSES]

Could be, in addition to being a little angry:

DREW PETRIMOULX, WDBO: They say he`s doing OK. He`s -- the Baker Act stipulates that he should be kept under surveillance for 72 hours. But I talked to his attorney. He said he`s doing better. He`s in bed. He`s talked with Cindy Anthony. She was at first distraught over this whole news, then he said almost -- she was almost kind of angry that this happened.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/23/ng.01.html

I saw a clip of cynthia leaving the home in her car yesterday and she laid down some rubber........zoom, zoom, zoom.

I thought BC admitted Cindy was angry right off the bat. It didn't surprise me one bit given she's just like her daughter. First thought was probably about how it looked regarding HERSELF, forget her husband and that he's indulged her ludicrous approach to the HOAX for months on end now to help her avoid facing real life and death IMO. :cursing:

ALL JMO

[Pooh]

I apologize if this has been discussed already but what is the deal with the jail folks saying Casey's reaction regarding the news her dad tried to commit suicide is "private"? They told us her reation when she was told they found Caylee. Oh the sedatives! I don't get why all of a sudden it's "private"?

[Dells]

Instead of just suspending the doll maybe the whole company needs to be shut done.

Amen to that!:thumbup:

[museumgirl]

Watching Intervention on A&E last night something the interventionist said made me think of G&C. A mother had lost a son, had another son on the brink of death due to alcohol. He told her she had to walk thru the pain in order to get better. As long as she didn't face her grief and fear, she would never get beyond her own alcohol abuse.

I watched that too.... I do not know how you can watch your child kill themselves and basically join them..... how horrible. I'm glad the boy got help.... notice mom didn't.

As for George... I think this is the start of his 'new one day at a time'... I think he may be re-aligning himself with this being about Caylee now. I hope he gets all the help he needs and the time to recover and grieve and that his family gives him that.

If it makes Cindy & Casey sweat a bit... too damn bad!

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm hoping for a jury field trip. They might not need to do a reenactment. Couple of months ago, it was mentioned that THE CAR still smelled of decomp.

I wonder what specifically Jose is after with his latest attack on the state?

:confused:

[Regina.Lampert]

I thought BC admitted Cindy was angry right off the bat. It didn't surprise me one bit given she's just like her daughter. First thought was probably about how it looked regarding HERSELF, forget her husband and that he's indulged her ludicrous approach to the HOAX for months on end now to help her avoid facing real life and death IMO. :cursing:

ALL JMO

IF Conway reported she was angry, that makes three sources: Kerry Sanders of NBC, Drew Petrimoulx and BC.

I think the anger stems from her concern over what george put into his suicide note that OCSD's has in their possession.

You're right, months of carefully orchestrating george's public response to this nightmare and now this! Poor cynthia.........

[Dells]

Dell, just relisten to the last video they released with casey anthony and her parents. This monster only sees herself as the victim and has absolutely no empathy for anyone else, imo.

I think her only concern about george is how his breakdown will effect HER.

Oh, sadly, I absolutely agree. You are right, Casey only cares about herself. I am sure she is angry at her father thinking about how his actions are negatively going to affect her.:cursing:

[court~critic1®]

Guess I am on everyones ignore list....:sad:


So I will ask my question again........Does anyone think the LE knows where Caylee was slain????? I know they don't have to know, but just wondering.


Back to just reading>>>>>>>>

[Pooh]

IF Conway reported she was angry, that makes three sources: Kerry Sanders of NBC, Drew Petrimoulx and BC.

I think the anger stems from her concern over what george put into his suicide note that OCSD's has in their possession.

You're right, months of carefully orchestrating george's public response to this nightmare and now this! Poor cynthia.........

Red to highlight....

I totally agree with your assessment. :thumbup:

[Dells]

In the third 911 call when Cindy told Casey the operated wanted to talk to her, she replied, why do they want to talk to me?....in the last visit with her parents Casey asked why is she ( cindy ) crying?

She doesnt get it. I am sure when told about her father....she asked , why, wonder what his problem is?

She doesnt have feelings for anyone but Casey.

I agree. She does not see how her actions have ruined everyone else's life. It's all about her. She is a victim in all of this, don'tch know....:glare:

[WillowInFlight]

Guess I am on everyones ignore list....:sad:


So I will ask my question again........Does anyone think the LE knows where Caylee was slain????? I know they don't have to know, but just wondering.


Back to just reading>>>>>>>>

Good morning doll face, I think, of course I have no proof, but I think they said a while back the house was the place of death.

[Adalena935]

They will play any tapes which are relevant to convicting Casey but Cindy wont be on trial so anything that isn't relevant wont be played I don't think.

I don't see why the jury's opinion of Cindy is even relevant as there is more than enough evidence, imo, to convict Casey. If Cindy sits in the courtroom a broken woman, I think you may find some jurors sympathising with her.

Thanks for that Leanne. Oh yes, I think jurors will be sympathetic to both grandparents no matter how they conduct themselves. I know they're not on trial but they're key witnesses since just the immediate family has that early information of the case. Just that Cindy made the 911 call with willful false information. Maybe that's not relevant. I don't see how it could not be.

I don't think they'll sympathize with her enough to let her dtr off, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Seems like in that case the grandparents will benefit the defense more than that prosecution. I'm having a hard time getting my mind around how the pros will handle them. It will be interesting. I value your opinion.

[Regina.Lampert]

Guess I am on everyones ignore list....:sad:


So I will ask my question again........Does anyone think the LE knows where Caylee was slain????? I know they don't have to know, but just wondering.


Back to just reading>>>>>>>>


Aw Court, nobody's ignoring you!! That's a good question, perhaps they believe it happened in the trunk of the car?

[Pooh]

Guess I am on everyones ignore list....:sad:


So I will ask my question again........Does anyone think the LE knows where Caylee was slain????? I know they don't have to know, but just wondering.


Back to just reading>>>>>>>>

Sorry! :seeya: Personally I think they do know and it will come out at the trial. my opinion only

[CC I See]

Yes, I think it was Dr. Baden on GVS who mentioned that kids used chloroform to party. The chloroform aspect of this case is the one I am most interested in and cannot wait to hear what the State says about it at trial. Me too.... I think that there are plenty of twists and turns coming up regarding how chloroform was in her car.

[CANDYKISSES]

IF Conway reported she was angry, that makes three sources: Kerry Sanders of NBC, Drew Petrimoulx and BC.

I think the anger stems from her concern over what george put into his suicide note that OCSD's has in their possession.

You're right, months of carefully orchestrating george's public response to this nightmare and now this! Poor cynthia.........

That was my first thought too concerning the unfinished suicide note. I'll bet there was some pacing and advice seeking going on as they awaited the news. I thought the other county was very professional in their handling of that issue too, and still not one leak. I'm glad to see that for LE, but not so much for us....:sneaky:

Poor Cynthia, hopefully by now George has given the old "I didn't say anything" answer we know she likes to hear. :drool: JMO

[court~critic1®]

Good morning doll face, I think, of course I have no proof, but I think they said a while back the house was the place of death.


Thank you.........Could that be the reason the dogs hit in the back yard?

I know, I know, another question.......:blushing:

[Adalena935]

Good morning doll face, I think, of course I have no proof, but I think they said a while back the house was the place of death.

Yes the home. It's on one of the official documents. They named the address and I took that to include the property as well as the dwelling.

[msgatorslayer]

I went hunting yesterday and I kept thinking of the wooded area Caylee was found in.

Scouting around for animal clues, reminded me of CSI looking for clues.

Today, I'm sure my boots have remnants of plant material on them. Including the redish, weird looking fungi/plant that didn't start appearing till we were a half a mile into the woods.

I wonder how the spider webs were in the area Caylee was found. Was it thick webbing. Will the bug expert be able to pin point a type of spider who likes the summer weather as the cause of the web. Another way to prove the body has been there all along and not just recently dumped by a zanny or one of Casey's friends.

[Pooh]

I went hunting yesterday and I kept thinking of the wooded area Caylee was found in.

Scouting around for animal clues, reminded me of CSI looking for clues.

Today, I'm sure my boots have remnants of plant material on them. Including the redish, weird looking fungi/plant that didn't start appearing till we were a half a mile into the woods.

I wonder how the spider webs were in the area Caylee was found. Was it thick webbing. Will the bug expert be able to pin point a type of spider who likes the summer weather as the cause of the web. Another way to prove the body has been there all along and not just recently dumped by a zanny or one of Casey's friends.

All very good questions. I think we'll learn more about bugs in this case than we did in the Westerfield case. And I didn't think that was possible. :ohmy:

[CANDYKISSES]

Sorry! :seeya: Personally I think they do know and it will come out at the trial. my opinion only

In the first round of documents, I can remember a paper filed by Orange County that actually cited the place of death as HOPESPRING DRIVE. JMO as I don't have the name of that particular release but remember discussing it here as it was released.

:sad:

That's what made me continue to think maybe a drowning by ACCIDENT...but it's gotten harder to believe that every day since that time.

[court~critic1®]

Pooh and Regie.........THANKS..... both make senses to me.


stay safe

[CelticDawn]

Guess I am on everyones ignore list....:sad:


So I will ask my question again........Does anyone think the LE knows where Caylee was slain????? I know they don't have to know, but just wondering.


Back to just reading>>>>>>>>

Im sorry....I wouldnt ignore you or anybody else...


I believe that LE knows, but aren't releasing that information because this is still an ongoing investigation...

I personally believe that she was murdered either in the hou=se or in the back yard.

[CC I See]

Guess I am on everyones ignore list....:sad:


So I will ask my question again........Does anyone think the LE knows where Caylee was slain????? I know they don't have to know, but just wondering.


Back to just reading>>>>>>>>
At this point no one is saying. My best theory is that she was killed at the Anthony home while both George and Cindy were gone. That is why so much time was spent removing items from the home for testing.

[ishkabibble]

I think if she got the idea to use chloroform from the picture on Ricardo's my space it is because she just happened to see it there. I don't think Ricardo played any part in Caylee's disappearance or murder and I am sure that he and Casey never even discussed chloroform at all. The defense focusing on him right now is just more smoke and mirrors. They are looking for whatever they can get on him to make him appear sinister and to take the focus off of Casey. It may work in the court of public opinion, but it will not work in a court of law. Once the jury sees all the evidence against Casey layed out in an organized and methodical fashion, all the smoke and mirrors in the world will not matter. She will be convicted of murdering her daughter.

JMO

If I were Ricardo Morales and started hearing things from the Defense side that make it appear as though attorney Baez were going to Plan B me for this murder, I would gather every single bit of info, no matter how small, about Casey Anthony and her movements at the time Caylee disappeared, and also gather every bit of info on my own whereabouts/actions at that time, and send it all to the Prosecution. I might even make a visit to attorney Baez's office to let him know, in a very calm reasonable way of course, that I do not appreciate his efforts to pin his client's actions on me and that he might want to be very careful about doing that. Of course, he will then use my visit to demonstrate how dangerous I am, so that might not work.

[Dells]

Thank you for the answer..... I wonder what they plan on doing with the dolls they have, if they have any at all. Looks like they advertise products they don't have according to this...

Showbiz Promotions is already the center of an active civil investigation by the state Attorney General's Office. The allegation: Consumers ordered and paid for merchandise from two Web sites, but never received anything.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-caylee2709jan27,0,6550304.story

Bolding is mine....

With the disreputable reputation of this company, I wouldn't doubt if they didn't have any of the dolls already manufactured and ready to sell either. Maybe the doll that they show in the picture is a prototype and the only one of its kind. One can only hope....

[NikkiG77058]

I agree that the Anthony's should have to testify against Casey; however, I don't think the state needs their testimony.
I believe this case will be proven forensically and why take a chance that one of them will get on the stand and try to spin more lies?

Should the state not need them to help prove Casey murdered Caylee, I don't believe they should be granted immunity, as charges can be filed at a later date.

IMO

[Adalena935]

LE removed pesticide canisters from the property when they were collecting evidence. Maybe that's what she used to murder her.

[CC I See]

Awhile back when I read about chloroform, I am pretty sure I read that it has to be mixed in glass. And something about ice, to keep the temperature low...... I know that glass has to be used when mixing the chloroform because it gets so hot, but after it cools could it then be transported in a gas can placed in the trunk of the car and then taken to a party? How does anyone think that this could be fun?

[msgatorslayer]

In the first round of documents, I can remember a paper filed by Orange County that actually cited the place of death as HOPESPRING DRIVE. JMO as I don't have the name of that particular release but remember discussing it here as it was released.

:sad:

That's what made me continue to think maybe a drowning by ACCIDENT...but it's gotten harder to believe that every day since that time.

Yes, I remember that too.

[court~critic1®]

OOHHH..... thank you beautiful people........I didn't think I had heard about the location of death, but then again I am not on the night board. So I may have missed it.


You all are the best IMOHOO, don't have a link.....:biggrin:

[Rick777]

LE removed pesticide canisters from the property when they were collecting evidence. Maybe that's what she used to murder her.

I wonder if they can show that at all with just bones remaining? if it's possible, it should be obvious that levels were really high of something "Un-natural".

[msgatorslayer]

LE removed pesticide canisters from the property when they were collecting evidence. Maybe that's what she used to murder her.

Hi Adalena. My theory is that Casey used the bug spray to get the bugs off Caylee when she moved her from the back yard, into her car, and then, possibly, again, 2.6 days later, when she moved her body from the car to the woods.

:sad:

[CANDYKISSES]

If I were Ricardo Morales and started hearing things from the Defense side that make it appear as though attorney Baez were going to Plan B me for this murder, I would gather every single bit of info, no matter how small, about Casey Anthony and her movements at the time Caylee disappeared, and also gather every bit of info on my own whereabouts/actions at that time, and send it all to the Prosecution. I might even make a visit to attorney Baez's office to let him know, in a very calm reasonable way of course, that I do not appreciate his efforts to pin his client's actions on me and that he might want to be very careful about doing that. Of course, he will then use my visit to demonstrate how dangerous I am, so that might not work.


When I heard a reference to Jose trying to drag Ricardo into this too, I was simply sickened. barf

There is no low too low for the Ringmaster IMO and I hope it all backfires.

JMO

[trich]

Guess I am on everyones ignore list....:sad:


So I will ask my question again........Does anyone think the LE knows where Caylee was slain????? I know they don't have to know, but just wondering.


Back to just reading>>>>>>>>

Well they did call the house "A crime scene"...
There must be a reason for that ....
Whether they can prove it is another story.
But IMO it doesn't matter since it is a known fact(from what we have been told) that she was decomposing in the trunk .

[msgatorslayer]

I agree that the Anthony's should have to testify against Casey; however, I don't think the state needs their testimony.
I believe this case will be proven forensically and why take a chance that one of them will get on the stand and try to spin more lies?

Should the state not need them to help prove Casey murdered Caylee, I don't believe they should be granted immunity, as charges can be filed at a later date.

IMO

ITA, I think the state has a great case for murder one and can link and sink Casey as the perp without her familes help.

While the State doesn't have to prove motive, juries tend to like for the State to provide one to them. I think the Anthony family can help in that department, if, they told the truth. And admitted that the big fight happened on Father's Day. The last day Caylee was alive.

But that State doesn't need it, IMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hi Adalena. My theory is that Casey used the bug spray to get the bugs off Caylee when she moved her from the back yard, into her car, and then, possibly, again, 2.6 days later, when she moved her body from the car to the woods.

:sad:

Very possible as I don't remember a complete breakdown from the Body Farm regarding any other chemicals present in the air. Do you remember if there is a complete analysis? :confused:

I guess Jose has seen something given his latest motion and referencing the unknown expert and his findings. :scared: JMO

[Lapis]

Was a reason given for the delay in the release? With the huge amount of unexpected free advertiseing they got maybe they realized that they better make sure they had enough to sell>

JMO

I don't know from the history given this company was never to concerned about actually filling orders in the past. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

I quickly glanced over the link yesterday wherein the Fla Bar has dropped their investigation of Jose. They apparently just took at face value what the atty for Baez told them. What I would like to know is who is the family in Connecticut that offered to pay Todd Black, and for the entire time until the case is ended.

Are there legal or financial benefits to having ones corporate headquarters out of the United States? Where are income taxes filed? Which laws exempt content of film or book products produced? TIA

[Adalena935]

I agree that the Anthony's should have to testify against Casey; however, I don't think the state needs their testimony.
I believe this case will be proven forensically and why take a chance that one of them will get on the stand and try to spin more lies?

Should the state not need them to help prove Casey murdered Caylee, I don't believe they should be granted immunity, as charges can be filed at a later date.

IMO

You may be right. They already have the 911 call and that's a key piece of evidence. Altho I don't see how it would help the state not to have them.

I'm wondering how they're going to link only Casey to the murder. Proving someone from that home murdered her is one thing and proving the defendant acted alone is another the way I see it.
If Cindy really did have her hands on Casey's neck choking her wait 'til the jury gets a load of that from grandpa on the witness stand. Maybe I'm just dense.

[really3997]

Very possible as I don't remember a complete breakdown from the Body Farm regarding any other chemicals present in the air. Do you remember if there is a complete analysis? :confused:

I guess Jose has seen something given his latest motion and referencing the unknown expert and his findings. :scared: JMO

I don't think Jose has seen anything, maybe his experts or the students he has hired but Jose I dont believe is ever able to have a Perry Mason moment..JMO

[~tj~]

Thanks for that Leanne. Oh yes, I think jurors will be sympathetic to both grandparents no matter how they conduct themselves. I know they're not on trial but they're key witnesses since just the immediate family has that early information of the case. Just that Cindy made the 911 call with willful false information. Maybe that's not relevant. I don't see how it could not be.

I don't think they'll sympathize with her enough to let her dtr off, but maybe I'm wrong about that. Seems like in that case the grandparents will benefit the defense more than that prosecution. I'm having a hard time getting my mind around how the pros will handle them. It will be interesting. I value your opinion.Bolding mine.

I think they will ask them both about the smell in the car. If they say it is pizza, they will play the tapes where the both said it smelled like a dead body. Then boot them off the stand??

[trich]

I guess we will find out after the state sends all the evidence to Baez.

If I remember correctly someone a few days or weeks back said that the bones could show chloroform.
I think he was a doctor but I can't for the life of me remember his name.
Also Bones is based on Kathi Riche(sp?) and her books.

[SwFlorida]

I cant believe they are trying to throw Ricardo Morales under the bus, well yes I can.. Hope he has lawyered up.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I apologize if this has been discussed already but what is the deal with the jail folks saying Casey's reaction regarding the news her dad tried to commit suicide is "private"? They told us her reation when she was told they found Caylee. Oh the sedatives! I don't get why all of a sudden it's "private"?

IMO, statements from OC jail officials was consistent. IIRC, the source of information regarding CA's reaction and request for medication came from JB.
jmo

[msgatorslayer]

I cant believe they are trying to throw Ricardo Morales under the bus, well yes I can.. Hope he has lawyered up.

Anyone but the Princess!!:sneaky:

[Roux]

Are there legal or financial benefits to having ones corporate headquarters out of the United States? Where are income taxes filed? Which laws exempt content of film or book products produced? TIA

I'm watching the Madoff hearings so I may find out! :laugh:

[Dells]

I'm hoping for a jury field trip. They might not need to do a reenactment. Couple of months ago, it was mentioned that THE CAR still smelled of decomp.

Well, if at trial the car still smells, I say that they take the jury to it so they can experience that first hand.

[jakee]

If I remember correctly someone a few days or weeks back said that the bones could show chloroform.
I think he was a doctor but I can't for the life of me remember his name.
Also Bones is based on Kathi Riche(sp?) and her books.


I recall an expert saying the bones could show chloroform. But last night on NG, I think the expert said they could not. That is why I get so confused.

[Regina.Lampert]

That was my first thought too concerning the unfinished suicide note. I'll bet there was some pacing and advice seeking going on as they awaited the news. I thought the other county was very professional in their handling of that issue too, and still not one leak. I'm glad to see that for LE, but not so much for us....:sneaky:

Poor Cynthia, hopefully by now George has given the old "I didn't say anything" answer we know she likes to hear. :drool: JMO

Pity the poor therapist who has to approach cynthia and advise her on her part in george's treatment plan. :w00t:

[Dells]

I apologize if this has been discussed already but what is the deal with the jail folks saying Casey's reaction regarding the news her dad tried to commit suicide is "private"? They told us her reation when she was told they found Caylee. Oh the sedatives! I don't get why all of a sudden it's "private"?

I think Jose is the one that told us Casey's reaction to Caylee's remains being found. I am sure that Casey had no reaction to her father's situation. She just doesn't care. She probably just said 'oh well' and then made her way back to her cell.:sneaky:

[jakee]

I cant believe they are trying to throw Ricardo Morales under the bus, well yes I can.. Hope he has lawyered up.

Does anyone know if he took a LD? I am pretty sure Jesse and Amy did, what other friends of Casey's have?

[happygert]

IMO I wont be surprised if there's a Caylee doll made..( That LOOKS like Caylee) IMO this doll just sent red flags up to cindy..Umm wow! another way to make money off there dead granddaughter...IMO

[playnice]

I think Jose is the one that told us Casey's reaction to Caylee's remains being found. I am sure that Casey had no reaction to her father's situation. She just doesn't care. She probably just said 'oh well' and then made her way back to her cell.:sneaky:

I think she was planning on offing him along with Cindy anyway. If he had been successful it would have saved her a murder.
jmo

[Lapis]

Yes, but I don't think it should. I agree with KG and JP regarding a plea, but fear Jose is too enamoured with his new found fame and will insist on seeing his face on TV for a while disregarding what's best for his GIRL....JMOOC. :mad:

I think this may be why the judge has ordered Casey to all pretrial hearings. In civil cases if I can't get a client to agree to a settlement I think is in his/her best interest the judge will sometimes talk to them on the record to try to get them to see the light. Now a criminal judge can't do that but he can make sure she's exposed to the evidence w/out the filter of her attorney. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone know if he took a LD? I am pretty sure Jesse and Amy did, what other friends of Casey's have?

I think he did, wasn't there 3 of her friends that did?

[Adalena935]

Hi Adalena. My theory is that Casey used the bug spray to get the bugs off Caylee when she moved her from the back yard, into her car, and then, possibly, again, 2.6 days later, when she moved her body from the car to the woods.
:sad:

You may be right. It's not necessary for them to prove the means of death is it?

[VII]

I think Jose is the one that told us Casey's reaction to Caylee's remains being found. I am sure that Casey had no reaction to her father's situation. She just doesn't care. She probably just said 'oh well' and then made her way back to her cell. :sneaky:


correction
if we are to use proper Casey-ism's it'd be
"then made her way back to her ROOM" :sneaky:

[Regina.Lampert]

I wonder if they can show that at all with just bones remaining? if it's possible, it should be obvious that levels were really high of something "Un-natural".

With a little luck, they may be able to pick up traces of the pesticide on the Pooh blanket and clothing found with the remains. I think she used the pesticide to kill the maggots. Perhaps they can find traces of the pesticide on the maggots too.

[WillowInFlight]

correction
if we are to use proper Casey-ism's it'd be
"then made her way back to her ROOM" :sneaky:

True dat :laugh::laugh:

[Libertie]

Good morning doll face, I think, of course I have no proof, but I think they said a while back the house was the place of death.There is a popular theory in the WebSleuth's forum that Casey pulled her car into the garage, saw that Caylee was asleep and left her there. She spent too much time in the house texting, phoning, on computer, whatever, and when she went back to the car for Caylee it was too late. She panicked and that's where the lying and covering up started. That doesn't explain the presence of chloroform, but that's the theory in WS.

[Roux]

I recall an expert saying the bones could show chloroform. But last night on NG, I think the expert said they could not. That is why I get so confused.

Me too Jakee. Last night that medical examiner from Palm Bch County said no, but IIRC some time ago another had said they could.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I don't think Jose has seen anything, maybe his experts or the students he has hired but Jose I dont believe is ever able to have a Perry Mason moment..JMO

According to Page 3224 (9 of 59) on Oct 7th, a white trash bag and used paper towels with pupa attached shipped to Dr Neal Haskell with instructions to ship to Oak Ridge Lab when completed. On Oct 23rd Dr Neal Haskell returned hair and vegetation collected from trash bag to OCSO CSI. Dr. David Hall, Gainesville botanist, contacted on Oct 29th to identify items recovered from vehicle. Results not published, IMO.
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/evidence%20reports.pdf

[NikkiG77058]

Right and if the State says at trial that this was pre-meditated because of the computer searches the defense will be show that it wasn't.

JMO

I don't think the picture has anything to do with why the state is saying it was pre-meditated. Remember, there were searches on her computer about how to make chloroform, etc. I doubt the picture will even be part of the evidence introduced to the jury.

IMO

[Mandysmom]

Let me know if they hit the market:biggrin:

When they do, I'll take 100. lol

Interesting reading today, just trying to catch up as usual.

[CC I See]

I think Jose is the one that told us Casey's reaction to Caylee's remains being found. I am sure that Casey had no reaction to her father's situation. She just doesn't care. She probably just said 'oh well' and then made her way back to her cell.:sneaky:(bolding mine)

....or she just said, "Suprise, surprise."
:bored: