Monday January 26, 2009

[Babes]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d26-Lee-Anthony-to-be-questioned-again-regarding-Caylees-disappearance

Lee Anthony to be questioned again regarding Caylee’s disappearance
According to WESH 2, a source close to the investigation said, "We kind of treat him separately. He knows what he has done."

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it


Good Morning.
Info above is the latest today...

[Babes]

Lee knew what he has done? I agree. He deleted digital evidences on myspace account of Casey Anthony. He removed a lot of postings on that account before the story hits the media.

If you analyze the video of Lee questioning Casey in the jail about the whereabouts of Caylee - IMO - Lee knew what is Casey's talking about or if not he was able to decipher what Casey was trying to say in a later period and he didnt report it to LE. IMO - I think LE knew that he is the one talking to Dominic on the phone while Dominic was in the woods looking for Caylee's body.

IMO he'll be given an immunity if he'll testify against Casey Anthony or maybe he'll be charged as well.

[Kathlb]

Good morning everyone, up early here. :-)

Well, it seems that the Anthony's have had our undivided attention again directing us away from the meat of the subject which is Casey and what horrendous thing she did to Caylee.

I waffled back and forth about GA from feeling sorry for him, to sure that it was a hoax, to feeling sorry and back to hoax again. Truth is, we don't know for sure but one thing we do know is what Casey did to that baby. I hope we can quit giving the Anthony's the attention they crave and want to keep us from the real reason this is going on and back to Casey and what she did and what she will be charged with. Let the Anthony's go stew in their own juices, that will drive them nuttier than anything. If we must direct our vision to them, let's concentrate on Lee and what he did and what LE will be questioning him about concerning his part in this and forget George and Cindy. Just let them fade away into the background where they belong. ;-) JMHO

Hope everyone's day goes great and is there a hearing later this week? We all know that Casey will be there if so. :thumbsup:

[Kathlb]

Lee knew what he has done? I agree. He deleted digital evidences on myspace account of Casey Anthony. He removed a lot of postings on that account before the story hits the media.

If you analyze the video of Lee questioning Casey in the jail about the whereabouts of Caylee - IMO - Lee knew what he's talking about or if not he was able to decipher what Casey was trying to say in a later period but he didnt report it to LE. IMO - I think LE knew that he is the one talking to Dominic on the phone while Dominic was in the woods looking for Caylee's body.

IMO he'll be given an immunity if he'll testify against Casey Anthony or maybe he'll be charged as well.

Morning Babes,
Yep... Lee and Casey were definitely talking in codespeak as far as I'm concerned. He knows a lot and LE knows he knows. I predict they will give him an ultimatum and let him know he needs to come clean or suffer the consequences.

[MoonFlwr]

Hope everyone's day goes great and is there a hearing later this week? We all know that Casey will be there if so. :thumbsup:

(Snipped, to comment on a particular point).

Smiling foolishly as though she were in some happy social setting. Man, that was weird, last time!

[Kathlb]

(Snipped, to comment on a particular point).

Smiling foolishly as though she were in some happy social setting. Man, that was weird, last time!

I think that's her cover. She's good at covering. I did however see a flash of shock for just one second in her eyes when the state said they were testing the tape for fingerprints. I think Baez has been lying to her and keeping her in the dark to keep her from pleading out and the judge suspects that. Hence the ruling that she has to attend the hearings so she knows what's against her.

[Babes]

Morning Babes,
Yep... Lee and Casey were definitely talking in codespeak as far as I'm concerned. He knows a lot and LE knows he knows. I predict they will give him an ultimatum and let him know he needs to come clean or suffer the consequences.

Morning Kathlb,
Yep...

By the way, any reasons why Lee put his parent's address as his address on the police report? Any reason for this?
This is one of the "PING MAP SITE" created by a poster at another forum and they have point Lee's address which is very close to his parent's house.
PING MAP AT GOOGLE - JULY 15, 2008 BY SOLUTIONS INVESTIGATION INC (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103915041605280294744.00045adc48fb78793d1bd&ll=28.527829,-81.314621&spn=0.271474,0.433273&t=h&z=11)

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/...l=eng&gi=cayle (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033 (http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033)

[n/t]

Good morning everyone, up early here. :-)

Well, it seems that the Anthony's have had our undivided attention again directing us away from the meat of the subject which is Casey and what horrendous thing she did to Caylee.

I waffled back and forth about GA from feeling sorry for him, to sure that it was a hoax, to feeling sorry and back to hoax again. Truth is, we don't know for sure but one thing we do know is what Casey did to that baby. I hope we can quit giving the Anthony's the attention they crave and want to keep us from the real reason this is going on and back to Casey and what she did and what she will be charged with. Let the Anthony's go stew in their own juices, that will drive them nuttier than anything. If we must direct our vision to them, let's concentrate on Lee and what he did and what LE will be questioning him about concerning his part in this and forget George and Cindy. Just let them fade away into the background where they belong. ;-) JMHO

Hope everyone's day goes great and is there a hearing later this week? We all know that Casey will be there if so. :thumbsup:

Same here Kath. I still question if this was some sort of diversion to get the media's focus away from the doc dumps. I guess we'll never know for sure.

What came to mind last was why Conway called John Allen and not 911 immediately? Does he think the Anthonys have special priveleges? Thank goodness the Sherriff told him to follow proper protocol. Call 911 and file a missing person report. Everything about the Anthonys makes me doubt their intentions. Sad to say but I don't trust them at all.

Good Morning all!

[Babes]

Here is also a picture of " Win Her Over with Chloroform"

Picture of Man and Woman Picture posted by Ricardo Morales on his Myspace (http://www.imagepoop.com/image/1304/Win-Her-Over-With-Chloroform.html)

[Jeepers]

Good morning everybody, There were several good discussions last night on the board it was hard to leave.
Well, George is suppose to be able to leave the hospital today.
LE is wanting to talk to Lee, that ought to be interesting to learn what all he was up to in the past few months.
I wonder what George plans to do with his life since he has discovered he has a lot to offer.
Wonder where Cindy fits in with his plan?
I hope that Baez will release Caylee's remains so a service can be planned.

[really3997]

Same here Kath. I still question if this was some sort of diversion to get the media's focus away from the doc dumps. I guess we'll never know for sure.

What came to mind last was why Conway called John Allen and not 911 immediately? Does he think the Anthonys have special priveleges? Thank goodness the Sherriff told him to follow proper protocol. Call 911 and file a missing person report. Everything about the Anthonys makes me doubt their intentions. Sad to say but I don't trust them at all.

Good Morning all!

I believe they do think this, however that should have been shattered when the 911 operator appeared not to know who Conway or the Anthony's were. She didn't even understand what they wanted in the beginning (which I would like to call priceless)

[n/t]

I believe they do think this, however that should have been shattered when the 911 operator appeared not to know who Conway or the Anthony's were. She didn't even understand what they wanted in the beginning (which I would like to call priceless)

I agree! I'd like to add that apparently the hotel clerk didn't know George Anthony either.

[Jeepers]

I think that's her cover. She's good at covering. I did however see a flash of shock for just one second in her eyes when the state said they were testing the tape for fingerprints. I think Baez has been lying to her and keeping her in the dark to keep her from pleading out and the judge suspects that. Hence the ruling that she has to attend the hearings so she knows what's against her.

I agree. When Baez is asked by reporters what he has told Casey at different times he has alluded to "I tell her what I want her to know"
I don't think Casey really understands the magnitude of her crime. I don't think Baez is helping her comprehend what is at stake.
This has turned into Baez and what can you do for me!
I remember George and Cindy talking about they did not like Baez. If I were George and Cindy and really wanted to help Casey I would have tried to talk with Casey about getting a new attorney before Baez cut them off from seeing her.

[n/t]

Here is also a picture of " Win Her Over with Chloroform"

Picture of Man and Woman Picture posted by Ricardo Morales on his Myspace (http://www.imagepoop.com/image/1304/Win-Her-Over-With-Chloroform.html)

Although quite disgusting to post something like that on MySpace, I've seen worse. I honestly don't see how the defense can possibly pin this on anyone else. Even if, for the sake of discussion, Casey was introduced to chloroform through Ricardo, how can this prove that he was involved in anyway? Some may say her friends were "shady" but so what? Show me the evidence that any of them had anything to do with Caylee's murder. Au contraire, they were all shocked and in disbelief that Caylee was "missing".

[really3997]

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it.

Just last month, Conway announced that announced that George and Cindy Anthony would be seeking immunity in the case.



So I am confused does this state that Lee is unclear what he did and not asking for immunity, but the Anthony's seem to be clear what they did because THEY are seeking immunity,....:ohmy:

[Jeepers]

Same here Kath. I still question if this was some sort of diversion to get the media's focus away from the doc dumps. I guess we'll never know for sure.

What came to mind last was why Conway called John Allen and not 911 immediately? Does he think the Anthonys have special priveleges? Thank goodness the Sherriff told him to follow proper protocol. Call 911 and file a missing person report. Everything about the Anthonys makes me doubt their intentions. Sad to say but I don't trust them at all.

Good Morning all!

I don't know about George actually being a diversion. I am still on the fence about what his intentions were the other day but, I think when Baez called the PC the afternoon the doc were releashed and just talked about himself That was a diversion. A Total Waste jmo

[n/t]

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it.

Just last month, Conway announced that announced that George and Cindy Anthony would be seeking immunity in the case.



So I am confused does this state that Lee is unclear what he did and not asking for immunity, but the Anthony's seem to be clear what they did because THEY are seeking immunity,....:ohmy:

I don't understand why Conway took it upon himself to discuss Lee Anthony with reporters. Lee, as far as I know, is not his client. He has his own attorney. Conway should've said he had no knowledge or no comment.

Now I wonder if Lee dumped his attorney and Conway is representing all 3?

[ellegna]

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it.

Just last month, Conway announced that announced that George and Cindy Anthony would be seeking immunity in the case.

So I am confused does this state that Lee is unclear what he did and not asking for immunity, but the Anthony's seem to be clear what they did because THEY are seeking immunity,....:ohmy:


Interesting Brad Conway is speaking on behalf of Lee instead of Lee's attorney Thomas Luca.
http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/lee-anthony-immunity/

[n/t]

I don't know about George actually being a diversion. I am still on the fence about what his intentions were the other day but, I think when Baez called the PC the afternoon the doc were releashed and just talked about himself That was a diversion. A Total Waste jmo

I agree that it was a total waste but it didn't stop the media from discussing the doc dump. IIRC, Mike Galanos (HLN) extended his coverage just so the discussion about the documents would continue.

With George, the focus was all on his suicide attempt and it was a pity party on all the talk shows. Except for Wendy Murphy who was on JVM who was honest about her feelings towards the family. Kudos to her for not letting this get in the way of justice for Caylee.

[Jeepers]

Good morning everyone, up early here. :-)

Well, it seems that the Anthony's have had our undivided attention again directing us away from the meat of the subject which is Casey and what horrendous thing she did to Caylee.

I waffled back and forth about GA from feeling sorry for him, to sure that it was a hoax, to feeling sorry and back to hoax again. Truth is, we don't know for sure but one thing we do know is what Casey did to that baby. I hope we can quit giving the Anthony's the attention they crave and want to keep us from the real reason this is going on and back to Casey and what she did and what she will be charged with. Let the Anthony's go stew in their own juices, that will drive them nuttier than anything. If we must direct our vision to them, let's concentrate on Lee and what he did and what LE will be questioning him about concerning his part in this and forget George and Cindy. Just let them fade away into the background where they belong. ;-) JMHO

Hope everyone's day goes great and is there a hearing later this week? We all know that Casey will be there if so. :thumbsup:

I agree. If they would just fade away.
They just keep popping their heads up hammer
I guess it will be Cindy's turn this week for something dreadful to happen to her. Not that I want anything bad to happen to anyone just that just appears to be their mode of operation.

[Jeepers]

I agree that it was a total waste but it didn't stop the media from discussing the doc dump. IIRC, Mike Galanos (HLN) extended his coverage just so the discussion about the documents would continue.

With George, the focus was all on his suicide attempt and it was a pity party on all the talk shows. Except for Wendy Murphy who was on JVM who was honest about her feelings towards the family. Kudos to her for not letting this get in the way of justice for Caylee.

That is correct Le and several others saw this for what it was and kept their focus on the crime and Caylee. LE in all this mini drama has kept on working. The never let the focus shift.
They appear to have really set their sights on LEE.
What I say and think in this matter does not count for nothing just an outsider looking in. LE/FBI and responsible reporters have their attention where it needs to be and I am glad for that:patriot:

[Myka]

I don't understand why Conway took it upon himself to discuss Lee Anthony with reporters. Lee, as far as I know, is not his client. He has his own attorney. Conway should've said he had no knowledge or no comment.

Now I wonder if Lee dumped his attorney and Conway is representing all 3?

yes, I was wondering that too. Lee has his own attorney, unless the attorney fees were way to much $$ than he could afford.
I think all of the attornies in this sad case are way over their heads.

Good Morning Yall

[n/t]

I really want to know what Lee has done!!!

[Myka]

I really want to know what Lee has done!!!

did LE question Lee's girlfriend?

[n/t]

yes, I was wondering that too. Lee has his own attorney, unless the attorney fees were way to much $$ than he could afford.
I think all of the attornies in this sad case are way over their heads.

Good Morning Yall

Could it be that the Anthonys are off the hook and no charges will be brought against them but Lee is the one who needs legal representation so the Anthonys decided it was best for Conway to represent Lee so they dumped Luka? (or is it Luca)? LOL

hmmmmmm I wonder.

[cassidy]

I agree that it was a total waste but it didn't stop the media from discussing the doc dump. IIRC, Mike Galanos (HLN) extended his coverage just so the discussion about the documents would continue.

With George, the focus was all on his suicide attempt and it was a pity party on all the talk shows. Except for Wendy Murphy who was on JVM who was honest about her feelings towards the family. Kudos to her for not letting this get in the way of justice for Caylee.


IMVHO George simply wanted to get away from it all for a bit. Cindy and Conway turned it into a frantic search for a suicidal George. Nice little media event to sway sympathy.
I just keep remembering George on the steps of the courthouse before the Grand Jury hearing. He looked to all the world like a beaten man. My heart went out to him because it must have been so difficult to testify against his own daughter. Then the very next day he is back in front of the cameras looking happy and healthy and spewing all the "information" about his PI's locating a live Caylee and just missing her 9 TIMES? IMO George is more than capable of putting on a show, when needed.

JMVHO

[cassidy]

yes, I was wondering that too. Lee has his own attorney, unless the attorney fees were way to much $$ than he could afford.
I think all of the attornies in this sad case are way over their heads.

Good Morning Yall

And I think all of the attorney's in this LOVE the spotlight.

JMO

[rosieposett]

I really want to know what Lee has done!!!

Maybe nothing. But that hi-five he and Casey shared on the steps of the courthouse sure seemed inapproprite. With little Caylee dead/presumed missing, those two sure seemed out of line.

[Myka]

Could it be that the Anthonys are off the hook and no charges will be brought against them but Lee is the one who needs legal representation so the Anthonys decided it was best for Conway to represent Lee so they dumped Luka? (or is it Luca)? LOL

hmmmmmm I wonder.

could be!! I really don't see Cindy and Geo being charge w/ anything. LE and the DA (and us for that matter) all know Casey did it, the proof is in the pudding. I don't think Lee did anything that was super bad, like move the body or what not. He deleted some of her MySpace stuff?
Well, big deal, I don't see OC or the DA (waisting tax payer's $$s) going after Lee........hummmmmmmm who knows lol

we'll just have to wait and see what crazy, mind blowing twist will come about in this case this week lol

[kOOkie1]

I really want to know what Lee has done!!!

Me too n/t!! I am curious what Casey really told Lee while they were sitting in Casey's room that night..Why did it take 2 hrs to go to TonE's??..Im sure LE questioned TonE about Lee's visit that night and how long he was there. I also wonder where JP Chatts interview is as well.

[cassidy]

Maybe nothing. But that hi-five he and Casey shared on the steps of the courthouse sure seemed inapproprite. With little Caylee dead/presumed missing, those two sure seemed out of line.


Just trying to keep his poor little wrongly accused sister's spirits up.


YEAH RIGHT. :rolleyes:

[Leanne Weich]

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it.

Just last month, Conway announced that announced that George and Cindy Anthony would be seeking immunity in the case.



So I am confused does this state that Lee is unclear what he did and not asking for immunity, but the Anthony's seem to be clear what they did because THEY are seeking immunity,....:ohmy:

What I want to know is why is Brad Conway talking for Lee? I thought that Luka guy was his attorney.

ETA: Sorry, I didn't mean to be redundant - should have read to the end of the thread before responding.

[ellegna]

IMVHO George simply wanted to get away from it all for a bit. Cindy and Conway turned it into a frantic search for a suicidal George. Nice little media event to sway sympathy.
I just keep remembering George on the steps of the courthouse before the Grand Jury hearing. He looked to all the world like a beaten man. My heart went out to him because it must have been so difficult to testify against his own daughter. Then the very next day he is back in front of the cameras looking happy and healthy and spewing all the "information" about his PI's locating a live Caylee and just missing her 9 TIMES? IMO George is more than capable of putting on a show, when needed.

JMVHO

IIRC Didn't George disappear for several hours after the GJ testimony? He returned home that evening

[Myka]

IMVHO George simply wanted to get away from it all for a bit. Cindy and Conway turned it into a frantic search for a suicidal George. Nice little media event to sway sympathy.
I just keep remembering George on the steps of the courthouse before the Grand Jury hearing. He looked to all the world like a beaten man. My heart went out to him because it must have been so difficult to testify against his own daughter. Then the very next day he is back in front of the cameras looking happy and healthy and spewing all the "information" about his PI's locating a live Caylee and just missing her 9 TIMES? IMO George is more than capable of putting on a show, when needed.

JMVHO

aren't they suppose to wait 72 hrs to file for a missing persons report? That's what I don't get. Why did Geo get special treatment?

[ellegna]

Me too n/t!! I am curious what Casey really told Lee while they were sitting in Casey's room that night..Why did it take 2 hrs to go to TonE's??..Im sure LE questioned TonE about Lee's visit that night and how long he was there. I also wonder where JP Chatts interview is as well.

I too believe Casey told Lee a whole lot more that night than what Lee told LE during his interview.
Also
Have we seen Mark Hawkins and Annie Downing's interviews yet? I've had a heck of a time opening the links so don't know if they were released.

[cassidy]

aren't they suppose to wait 72 hrs to file for a missing persons report? That's what I don't get. Why did Geo get special treatment?

Because if he didn't. John Allen's name would be smeared all over the media as being "anti-Anthony".

JMO

[rosieposett]

aren't they suppose to wait 72 hrs to file for a missing persons report? That's what I don't get. Why did Geo get special treatment?

I thought so too. Unless the suicide threats changed the rules.

[kOOkie1]

I too believe Casey told Lee a whole lot more that night than what Lee told LE during his interview.
Also
Have we seen Mark Hawkins and Annie Downing's interviews yet? I've had a heck of a time opening the links so don't know if they were released.

If I recall they have not released Annie's, Mark H or Jp Chatts. Interesting :huh:

[Elle]

IIRC Didn't George disappear for several hours after the GJ testimony? He returned home that evening

Yes, IIRC I believe that is correct, and IIRC very early the next morning he spoke to some media outside of his house, where he spoke of how he had not slept that night and about how he was recently suicidal.

imo, moo

[cassidy]

IIRC Didn't George disappear for several hours after the GJ testimony? He returned home that evening

IIRC he "disappeared" from the house fairly regularly.

[Katt2]

aren't they suppose to wait 72 hrs to file for a missing persons report? That's what I don't get. Why did Geo get special treatment?

I doubt he got special treatment. I think if anyone were missing and there was a possibility of suicidal action, LE is going to respond immediately.

[n/t]

IIRC he "disappeared" from the house fairly regularly.

IIRC, he left the house that same night Casey was released on bail. Lee had to go calm him down and they left in the car.

[Myka]

I thought so too. Unless the suicide threats changed the rules.

I think you're right

[really3997]

Brad Conway on today show...

[cassidy]

Brad Conway on today show...

Dang, he's really milking this isn't he?

[Pruddennce]

Morning Babes,
Yep... Lee and Casey were definitely talking in codespeak as far as I'm concerned. He knows a lot and LE knows he knows. I predict they will give him an ultimatum and let him know he needs to come clean or suffer the consequences.

when LE was questioning Cindy about her JC Pennys card and why she didnt turn it over when asked to do so, (they were supposedly 'cooperating'), Cindy says: 'there is nothing on there I already looked at it."

LE presses her again and says "we know SHE went all over with your JC penny card'.....Cindy then changes her explanation to: "I gave it to Lee, he told us HE is the go-between, HE was supposed to give it to you"......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzSG0RHKhzk&feature=related

around 5:09.

I agree, however, it is obvious all 3 family members were working together to withhold information from LE.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[really3997]

Dang, he's really milking this isn't he?

Nice to know that it is the Media negative reports that is keeping George from getting a job....Last I heard he barely kept a job on his own before this...But at least they are stressing they want Caylee put to rest.

[cassidy]

Nice to know that it is the Media negative reports that is keeping George from getting a job....Last I heard he barely kept a job on his own before this...But at least they are stressing they want Caylee put to rest.

I thought he was working recently, at Disney or something?

[AJandTam]

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m1d26-Lee-Anthony-to-be-questioned-again-regarding-Caylees-disappearance

Lee Anthony to be questioned again regarding Caylee’s disappearance
According to WESH 2, a source close to the investigation said, "We kind of treat him separately. He knows what he has done."

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it


Good Morning.
Info above is the latest today...

Hmmmm Very interesting. Looks like we have another one of those coincidences. Geo has a rough weekend the weekend BEFORE Lee gets questioned. How much you want to bet that the A's knew the questioning was coming IF this is true.

Very interesting as well the mention of WHEN he knew it. I've been thinking the LE was waiting on forensic test and it would take 6 weeks to get those results.. I have always felt the rest of the family got just a bit too worried when the body was found. Now the big question will be, is that because of Casey or is that because of thier own hide..

[really3997]

I thought he was working recently, at Disney or something?

From what I understood that it was a temp agency that brokered out security, I believe what ever job he just got when this happened stopped at that moment. But he did not work for Disney.

[cassidy]

Now the big question will be, is that because of Casey or is that because of thier own hide..

Possibly both.

[cassidy]

From what I understood that it was a temp agency that brokered out security, I believe what ever job he just got when this happened stopped at that moment. But he did not work for Disney.

Would be interesting to see what his job history is, in light of Conway's accusations against the media being responsible for him not being able to gain employment.

[really3997]

Would be interesting to see what his job history is, in light of Conway's accusations against the media being responsible for him not being able to gain employment.

Well according to the Mother in Law...not so good especially if Cindy would have had to pay alimony. I would think he would have to be unemployed for long stretchs at time...I could be wrong..

[trich]

Everything about the Anthonys makes me doubt their intentions. Sad to say but I don't trust them at all.

Good Morning all! snipped.


Exactly the way I feel!

[cassidy]

Well according to the Mother in Law...not so good especially if Cindy would have had to pay alimony. I would think he would have to be unemployed for long stretchs at time...I could be wrong..

I remember that. Kind of odd that Conway would go down that road though?

[AJandTam]

IMVHO George simply wanted to get away from it all for a bit. Cindy and Conway turned it into a frantic search for a suicidal George. Nice little media event to sway sympathy.
I just keep remembering George on the steps of the courthouse before the Grand Jury hearing. He looked to all the world like a beaten man. My heart went out to him because it must have been so difficult to testify against his own daughter. Then the very next day he is back in front of the cameras looking happy and healthy and spewing all the "information" about his PI's locating a live Caylee and just missing her 9 TIMES? IMO George is more than capable of putting on a show, when needed.

JMVHO

The day of the GJ. I said that was an act. Everyone got mad at me. Everyone gets mad at me about the A's. Because I think they are the seeds that planted the garden of EVIL. Not that I think that every time a child goes bad, the parents are to blame. They are not. Sometimes it's a chemical imbalance or other things that cause someone to go bad. In this case, I don't think so. I think this is a home grown garden. We shall see, as just because I think it, doesn't make it true..

[really3997]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_JbSr7ftdY

I am confused. I know nothing about suicide but in this report it states he now has the will to live...I would think that it would take a lot longer than 3 days to come back to living. This is why I don't believe them this also seems that Conway is hinting for a new career for George...You know these people make my head hurt....JMO (well for the suicide part of my blog my head hurting is a fact)

[really3997]

The day of the GJ. I said that was an act. Everyone got mad at me. Everyone gets mad at me about the A's. Because I think they are the seeds that planted the garden of EVIL. Not that I think that every time a child goes bad, the parents are to blame. They are not. Sometimes it's a chemical imbalance or other things that cause someone to go bad. In this case, I don't think so. I think this is a home grown garden. We shall see, as just because I think it, doesn't make it true..

:thumbsup: I am sorry I will there for you next time I am 100%(highfive and all) with you on this.

[cassidy]

The day of the GJ. I said that was an act. Everyone got mad at me. Everyone gets mad at me about the A's. Because I think they are the seeds that planted the garden of EVIL. Not that I think that every time a child goes bad, the parents are to blame. They are not. Sometimes it's a chemical imbalance or other things that cause someone to go bad. In this case, I don't think so. I think this is a home grown garden. We shall see, as just because I think it, doesn't make it true..

I was one who totally had sympathy for him on the day of the GJ hearing. I changed my mind the day after. And I agree with you, sometimes no matter how good a parent you are, a kid just goes bad. I think the Anthonly's had a hand in this one. Casey didn't just start speaking to her parents they way we have seen/heard her speak. That's a pattern that they tolerated.

JMO

[farrahrani]

I love how G&C have their own attorney but don't understand why Lee would need one xp.

Oh Lee...I hope you have reflective tape on your sweater and good dodging reflexes...Methinks they'll try to throw YOU under the bus next. :tonguewag:

[cassidy]

I would venture to guess it would be more like Cindy (who makes all the decisions in that household) decided that she was simply not going to pay for two lawyers and dumped Luka and kept Conway for the three of them. Family lawyer sort of thing. :biggrin:

Not a wise move on anyone's part, including the lawyer. Reeks of conflict of interest.

JMO

[cassidy]

Remember the night of the 911 call by Cindy? His free pass records indicated he was on his way home from work around 5:00 p.m. ish and yet he walked in the door around 9:00 p.m. when the phone call was made. Wonder where he "disappeared" to for those 4 unaccounted hours.:confused:

I didn't think George was there when the phone calls were made. I thought Cindy sent him back to work and it was just Cindy Lee and Casey at the house?

[Myka]

I would venture to guess it would be more like Cindy (who makes all the decisions in that household) decided that she was simply not going to pay for two lawyers and dumped Luka and kept Conway for the three of them. Family lawyer sort of thing. :biggrin:

hummmmmm, I wonder who is paying their bills? No one in the house is working. How does the lights, water, trash, cable, house note, home/auto insurance get paid? Plus Conway's fees...I know they sold the rights to some photos. Perhaps that's how the bills are getting paid?

[darcie]

Geeezzz...it broke my heart when Caylee was missing. Everyday thinking, the poor little girl deserved so much better. Her body needs to be found. Then they found her amd I thought...Thank you god, finally that little girl will be honored, and her memory respected. Now it is a month later, and that precious child is still being pushed to the side.

It makes me sick. At this point, I don't care what happens to the Anthony's. You reap what you sow!


For Caylee.........

[Susie419]

Very intriguing article. This has me curious. "We kind of treat him separately. He knows what he has done." My gut tells me that this is LE's way of saying, we overlooked the obvious, we missed something important and "he knows what he has done" to me that something has surfaced with those remains. Possibly his fingerprints somewhere perhaps?

I would bet dollars to donuts that Lee has lied to his own attorney. Big mistake. Huge!

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Don't remember the time line, but I recall he had a full head of hair, then after the visit with Casey, he started his "investigation" and poof, he shaves his head. hmmmmmm.:ohmy: I'd shave mine too if I thought I may know where the bodydump was and wanted to see for myself and didn't want my hair/dna to fall out somewhere near the body site.
Or perhaps it's just hot in Fla and he needed to cool off, and I'm reading way too much into a simple buzz cut...:mellow:

[spageddy]

Would be interesting to see what his job history is, in light of Conway's accusations against the media being responsible for him not being able to gain employment.
Iirc he was on some kind of disability at the time of Caylees dissappearance.
I can just imagine what his resume looks like now. With all the on-camera temper tantrums, inconsistant statements, etc. would you hire this guy?

[cassidy]

Iirc he was on some kind of disability at the time of Caylees dissappearance.
I can just imagine what his resume looks like now. With all the on-camera temper tantrums, inconsistant statements, etc. would you hire this guy?

No way and IMO he did it to himself.

[AJandTam]

Possibly both.

It is true that when bad happens, families tend not to believe that thier loved one is guilty. No problem, thats just family.

This is no ordinary family. These people are different. What would ordinarily be true w/most families is not true w/them. They don't react or think the same way.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. Yes, cudos to the night crew, very good discussion last evening and a big thank you to Cury who apparently never sleeps and keeps us up to date on all the latest links.

Lee, ole high fiving, giggling at the decomp odor, Lee. "He knows what he has done." Such ominous words, imo. What ever it is, I hope he comes clean with prosecutors and puts another nail into the coffin of
the odious creature.

[ellegna]

I was one who totally had sympathy for him on the day of the GJ hearing. I changed my mind the day after. And I agree with you, sometimes no matter how good a parent you are, a kid just goes bad. I think the Anthonly's had a hand in this one. Casey didn't just start speaking to her parents they way we have seen/heard her speak. That's a pattern that they tolerated.

JMO

Casey appears to have gotten away with a lot for a long time and she knew it.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Leesstatement.jpg

[breezie]

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it.

Just last month, Conway announced that announced that George and Cindy Anthony would be seeking immunity in the case.



So I am confused does this state that Lee is unclear what he did and not asking for immunity, but the Anthony's seem to be clear what they did because THEY are seeking immunity,....:ohmy:

G and C' attorney says that, but didn't Lee's own attorney say he was seeking immunity and was concerned because he has not been handed a subpoena in the case? Conway is not his lawyer and seems a tad uninformed.

[?noanswer]

Anthony family attorney, Brad Conway claims Lee is not seeking immunity from prosecution because he and his family are unclear as to why he would need it.

Just last month, Conway announced that announced that George and Cindy Anthony would be seeking immunity in the case.



So I am confused does this state that Lee is unclear what he did and not asking for immunity, but the Anthony's seem to be clear what they did because THEY are seeking immunity,....:ohmy:

They can claim they are/are not seeking immunity, but according to what was said on NG the other night, if any of them are subpoenaed, the State will have to give them limited immunity. That means they what they testify about cannot be used to file charges against them . There is another type of immunity that means they cannot be charged with anything if they testify. JMO

[farrahrani]

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Don't remember the time line, but I recall he had a full head of hair, then after the visit with Casey, he started his "investigation" and poof, he shaves his head. hmmmmmm.:ohmy: I'd shave mine too if I thought I may know where the bodydump was and wanted to see for myself and didn't want my hair/dna to fall out somewhere near the body site.
Or perhaps it's just hot in Fla and he needed to cool off, and I'm reading way too much into a simple buzz cut...:mellow:


There is no way to describe the heat to someone who doesn't live though it. It is all consuming and hellish xp.

If I were someone who did not know of the Anthony's and their attempts to impede every step of the investigation I'd totally agree with your last sentence, maybe go one step further and note what a fashion trend it seems to be these days. Maybe even be more charitable and say that he wanted a change to avoid the media.

Now thinking about it...was it to change his appearance in the event someone saw him where he shouldn't be? Nah. But I doubt it was as innocent as I'd like to believe. Every time I use reasonable explanations for these peoples behaviors I get swept away :tongueside:

[Regina.Lampert]

When did he shave his head

I may be wrong but I believe it was around the time they were asking for DNA samples.

I think it was around the time they were requesting hair samples.

[Kathlb]

I just posted two videos of Lee and Casey's first phonecalls on my blog if you want to watch and listen. Just click on the picture and it will play.

http://www.berry-designs.com/blog/wordpress/

I'm going to get the vists up too.

[?noanswer]

yes, I was wondering that too. Lee has his own attorney, unless the attorney fees were way to much $$ than he could afford.
I think all of the attornies in this sad case are way over their heads.

Good Morning Yall

If I had an attorney that flubbed an interview the way LA's attorney flubbed the interview about having seen some videos, he would be out the door in a NY minute. He appearead to be totally incompentent. JMO

[AJandTam]

:thumbsup: I am sorry I will there for you next time I am 100%(highfive and all) with you on this.

Thanks Really. This case has been a tough one, as i've had to go against the grain here. Normally, I think most of the same things others think. In this family, I can't agree w/everyone. These A's are unique. IMNO, they are NOT loving, they are not the sacraficial lamb type. They are NOT IMHO, doing this for Casey. There is another motivation here...

[Elle]

Well according to the Mother in Law...not so good especially if Cindy would have had to pay alimony. I would think he would have to be unemployed for long stretchs at time...I could be wrong..


I know he had already been enemployed (knee injury) for 2 years at the time he lost tens of thousands of dollars. That is what he told the FBI. I don't know when he finally went back to work.

And it was a new job he started on July 15th. I don't know what happened to the job he had before that.

[?noanswer]

aren't they suppose to wait 72 hrs to file for a missing persons report? That's what I don't get. Why did Geo get special treatment?


Well, they did retrieve a gun he purchased and he has made statements before about killing himself. All of that coupled with the saga of this case most likely made LE act more quickly.

I think there used to be a waiting period, but now it seems that they evaluate each report and make a decision on how soon to act. The amber alert and I think some entities now have a "senior alert" have changed the amt. of time they wait. JMO

[?noanswer]

I too believe Casey told Lee a whole lot more that night than what Lee told LE during his interview.
Also
Have we seen Mark Hawkins and Annie Downing's interviews yet? I've had a heck of a time opening the links so don't know if they were released.

Lee & KC also had plenty of time to talk while she out on bail . JMO

[Daffodil]

Wow, things are moving real fast on here this morning.

I pretty much agree with everything posted so far.

Why would BC be speaking on behalf of Lee? I think they all need their own seperate lawyers because someone is going to be the fall guy. How can one lawyer represent more than one person in the same criminal case? I also find this a conflict of interest. This then does not give them the best representation possible....just like Casey with Baez. I don't think he has her best interests in mind. I am glad the judge will make her appear in court.

I watched LKL and Geraldo last night. What I found interesting is that it appeared that the media is changing their minds. On LKL, it seemed like there was an awful lot of sympathy for the Anthony's due to George's "suicide" attempt. Geraldo finally sees it for what it is. It seemed the duct tape alone was a horror in in itself. Add the heart sticker and it seemed he just could not understand how Baez had not pleaded this out yet. KG stated that she and Geraldo having been telling him he needs to plead it out.

I do think this "suicide" attempt was a ploy. But that's not to say that George doesn't need help. It was a great ploy because it took so much attention away from the heart sticker. How cold blooded could one be to do that?

Oh, I could go on for ever......but I won't.

[Kathlb]

Lee & KC also had plenty of time to talk while she out on bail . JMO


Remember when she was out and she and Lee went out to sit in his vehicle alone for some time talking? Probably lots of info exchanged then.

[Eli]

I think that's her cover. She's good at covering. I did however see a flash of shock for just one second in her eyes when the state said they were testing the tape for fingerprints. I think Baez has been lying to her and keeping her in the dark to keep her from pleading out and the judge suspects that. Hence the ruling that she has to attend the hearings so she knows what's against her.


Great observation...you may be right....

[Jeepers]

Thanks Really. This case has been a tough one, as i've had to go against the grain here. Normally, I think most of the same things others think. In this family, I can't agree w/everyone. These A's are unique. IMNO, they are NOT loving, they are not the sacraficial lamb type. They are NOT IMHO, doing this for Casey. There is another motivation here...

I agree, This is one family unit that has no close friends or just casual friends. The extended family is splintered at best.
The sister George mentions that has a wealthy husband did not offer to bail Casey out. I think the family as a whole knew Casey was trouble and it had been an on going crisis in that family and no one wanted to be a part of it.
Cindy's brother was tired of Casey and her lies and they way Cindy and George took up for her.
I don't think Rick went about airing his distain for Casey the right way but, I think he was really mad that Casey stole money from his elderly parents and Cindy did not do anything to Casey. Cindy just paid the money back to the bank so Casey would not get into trouble. Cindy's mother was refunded her money so all was good.
I think Rick did go overboard on message boards but, I also think that he did not want the world thinking he was ok with the behaviors of Cindy,George and Casey. Just over reacting.
I think that the Anthony's have some other things to hide and cover. Casey murdering her daughter and lying, stealing money did not just happen over night. There has been some stuff going for a long time in that household and nobody wanted to be a part of it. jmo

[NYGalPal]

Morning All,

Is George being released today?

Also, I noticed someone claim Casey has many supporters on last nights thread. Who? The poster wouldn't post one. I'm only aware of Cindy, George (maybe not anymore) and Beaz. Who else could possibly support this monster, Casey?

[AJandTam]

I was one who totally had sympathy for him on the day of the GJ hearing. I changed my mind the day after. And I agree with you, sometimes no matter how good a parent you are, a kid just goes bad. I think the Anthonly's had a hand in this one. Casey didn't just start speaking to her parents they way we have seen/heard her speak. That's a pattern that they tolerated.

JMO

Casey was speaking to her parents the way she was because she had the upper hand on them. Cindy is not one to bow down to anyone. The women has nerves of steal and even the FBI didn't bother her none. Her putting up w/Casey, was because she had too. Not cause she loves her so much. This is where I differ from everyone else. I don't think Casey was the love of everyone in that families life. I think they have busted thier chops trying to make everyone think that.. They were the ones that could have nailed Casey. Is Casey so dumb she doesn't know her parents knew what was missing in that home, they were the ones that could rat her out at any minute.. Yet they are tip toeing around her.. I think there is a reason why and it's got nothing to do w/love.. Casey should be welcoming them to the jail and loving them into keeping thier mouth shut, but she's not.. She is shutting them out... We have to ask ourselves why?? We can't miss the big picture here. Somethings not right here...

[Jeepers]

Someone upthread had posted something about Lee and Casey in Casey's room talking secretly. Was that the day that Cindy burst in and said "what have you done?" What I would give to be a fly on the wall during Casey's confession to Lee because I think that is exactly what happened behind that door.

You bet and if I was Cindy it would be at that moment I would have choked her again. I would have been jail myself before I got through with her.

[Daffodil]

Remember when she was out and she and Lee went out to sit in his vehicle alone for some time talking? Probably lots of info exchanged then.

I didn't know that. I must have missed it.

Could Lee have been trying to locate the body on the night it took him 2 hours to retreive the laptop?

[Kathlb]

I didn't know that. I must have missed it.

Could Lee have been trying to locate the body on the night it took him 2 hours to retreive the laptop?

I believe if I remember right we know that because it was when the media were out there filming all the time. They went out to sit in his vehicle in the driveway for a time alone talking.

[PuffDragon]

Mornin' all!
I've been skimming through last night's thread to see what I missed after falling asleep early. I thought this made sense and wanted to refer to it. I'm of the KISS persuasion and it made sense to me:

I continue to be amazed that almost every scenario continues to be offered, except the most obvious. Couldn't it just be that the man was just plain miserable?

ITA. I figure he has been stuck in the house with Cindy, listening to her rant constantly and/or demand reassurance, since Conway came on the scene and shut them up, and was going out of his mind hearing it over and over. Then the heart sticker evidence was released and it put him over the top.

He saw his chance to get away that day and took advantage of it without thinking about how it would look. Got himself a room by himself, some beer and a pizza, was peacefully alone and decided to try to write out how he was feeling.

Maybe after enough beers he read over what he'd written and got maudlin enough to think suicide was a solution to everything that was eating at him. I don't think he went there originally to commit suicide but that it evolved as he thought about his life.

We know that he has been talking about depression and suicide since this started to look bad. Cindy probably knew his way was to work himself into a depression and that's why she and Conway acted immediately to get a search going. It's possible that the quick suicide alert was due to Cindy's perception that George was leaning that way and not that he started out with that in mind. In a different case she might have been a hero.

JMO as always

[really3997]

I believe if I remember right we know that because it was when the media were out there filming all the time. They went out to sit in his vehicle in the driveway for a time alone talking.

I thought it was when he dropped/picked her up at Beaz office that they were in the car longer than usual

[AJandTam]

I agree, This is one family unit that has no close friends or just casual friends. The extended family is splintered at best.
The sister George mentions that has a wealthy husband did not offer to bail Casey out. I think the family as a whole knew Casey was trouble and it had been an on going crisis in that family and no one wanted to be a part of it.
Cindy's brother was tired of Casey and her lies and they way Cindy and George took up for her.
I don't think Rick went about airing his distain for Casey the right way but, I think he was really mad that Casey stole money from his elderly parents and Cindy did not do anything to Casey. Cindy just paid the money back to the bank so Casey would not get into trouble. Cindy's mother was refunded her money so all was good.
I think Rick did go overboard on message boards but, I also think that he did not want the world thinking he was ok with the behaviors of Cindy,George and Casey. Just over reacting.
I think that the Anthony's have some other things to hide and cover. Casey murdering her daughter and lying, stealing money did not just happen over night. There has been some stuff going for a long time in that household and nobody wanted to be a part of it. jmo

IMHO, If you have really bad things going on in your life for a real long time. I think it eventually catches up to you. Something caught up to these people. I don't know what. I have ideas but nothing concrete. This was years in the making...

[really3997]

Wow, things are moving real fast on here this morning.

I pretty much agree with everything posted so far.

Why would BC be speaking on behalf of Lee? I think they all need their own seperate lawyers because someone is going to be the fall guy. How can one lawyer represent more than one person in the same criminal case? I also find this a conflict of interest. This then does not give them the best representation possible....just like Casey with Baez. I don't think he has her best interests in mind. I am glad the judge will make her appear in court.

I watched LKL and Geraldo last night. What I found interesting is that it appeared that the media is changing their minds. On LKL, it seemed like there was an awful lot of sympathy for the Anthony's due to George's "suicide" attempt. Geraldo finally sees it for what it is. It seemed the duct tape alone was a horror in in itself. Add the heart sticker and it seemed he just could not understand how Baez had not pleaded this out yet. KG stated that she and Geraldo having been telling him he needs to plead it out.

I do think this "suicide" attempt was a ploy. But that's not to say that George doesn't need help. It was a great ploy because it took so much attention away from the heart sticker. How cold blooded could one be to do that?

Oh, I could go on for ever......but I won't.

It even appeared that Dr Baden was thinking there is too much against Casey. Everyone on Geraldo had a strange expression on the tape and the heart..Kind of like why are we still talking about this she should plea

[Beach~Tenant]

G'morning all...sorry, just bringing this over from the other thread:wink:

Originally Posted by focussp1
I have to say that I am a supporter of George and Cindy. I admit they lied and that is wrong. I think the reasons they lied may seem silly to us, but under the situation they are in it is what had to be. I believe Casey killed Caylee and she alone did it. I do not think G and C had anything to do with it and I think it shows in the jail videos where you could see in there faces that they were looking for her to say she was ok because they needed to hear it. They did not rock the boat with Casey because if she got mad and wouldn't talk to them they would not get that little bit of hope that she gave them. Like she knew where caylee was and that she was safe. If they didn't get that then they would have to see that she was dead and they couldn't accept that. Look how these two changed in appearance during all this. To say that it was a ploy G saying he wanted to kill himself is IMO wrong. They I am sure feel they let Caylee down and did not protect her, that would be hard to live with and then people say such nice things about them that it can't help with all this stress


I agree! I stayed up and wached Larry king ( for the VERY 1st time,lol) last night and Dr. Phil was on giving his oppinions and such. It always makes sense after listening to him give his views which lead's me BACK to feeling horribly sorry for the A's!!! Jesse Grund ( and family) will be on the Dr. Phil show on Fri (just in case you didn't already know)

[AJandTam]

I wonder if they found Lee's fingerprints on something left with the remains. OMG if it was his fingerprint on that sticker and then the next question would be "why"???? I can only imagine. This is the one person I could see Casey sitting in jail all this time and taking the fall for. She idolizes her big brother. Can anyone else?

I have a few things on my "to do" list this morning so someone save my spot! I'll be back. :seeya:

I don't think Casey would sit in jail for anyone. I think she might be caught up in a catch 22. She can't tell on anyone else w/out convicting herself. In one of the jailhouse convo's. I really think she might have been aggrivated because she was the only one in jail and the rest of them were together and having what she thought was a good time.. We shall see in hindsight if what I was thinking when she was talking was right or not... I might have this all wrong but I feel like we might be in for some shockers...

[Neffy]

The only thing refiled by Jose for the 30th is the TES records search and even that was a modification.

I wonder if he has received everything else he requested.

Certainly there was the "lost tape".

[Jeepers]

Jeepers, your post above is very enlightening. I think you are right about the extended family knowing Casey was trouble. I would take it one step further and go out on a limb to say that they may have felt the same way about Cindy. I am sure that none of the extended family has gone through their lives up to now not hearing Cindy verbally or otherwise flipping them off for one thing or another. You are alot like me/I am alot like you -You're right. speaks volumes. And I bet the farm that the family saw that a long time ago.

Yep, I m not legal smart but, I know that you are only as good as your word.
There comes a time in everyone's life that truth matters. It may not be anything like a murder or anything of that magnitude but there is a moment when a person needs to be believed.
There is also a time that people are held accountable for their actions and if their actions are proven to be unacceptable family and friends will turn their backs on them, They don't want to see that person coming.
Allowing that person in your home or your life means or can be taken as agreeing with the behavior. Casey could not BS her extended family they knew her too well and her actions they have given up on her and could not understand why George and Cindy could not see what they were seeing. The whole family I think was just wore out with Casey and her antics. There were not about to help her. I think it hurt them that Cindy was hurting but they could not allow themselves to be taken again by Cindy or George asking them for more money.

Why do people think that a rich relative wants to give you their hard earned money?

[kOOkie1]

LEE: So this Black Jack where did you, you said that you reported it missing, give me the information so I can find this phone.

CASEY: I had it (TALKING TO SOMEONE OFF THE PHONE : yes sir, is he ok. Can you ask him to stay there couple of minutes, because we only have…ok thank you). Um Jose’s actually here. Um. (Expletive), ok the last time I know I had it for certain I was up at Universal.

LEE: For work, or for otherwise?

I was in through the park talking to just a couple of mutual friends of….

LEE: So you were up there for fun or whatever?

CASEY: It wasn’t necessarily fun, but yes not through work at that moment…

LEE: I’ve got you, ok, I understand.

This exchange alone is confusing..yet Lee understands:confused:

[nc1948]

Same here Kath. I still question if this was some sort of diversion to get the media's focus away from the doc dumps. I guess we'll never know for sure.

What came to mind last was why Conway called John Allen and not 911 immediately? Does he think the Anthonys have special priveleges? Thank goodness the Sherriff told him to follow proper protocol. Call 911 and file a missing person report. Everything about the Anthonys makes me doubt their intentions. Sad to say but I don't trust them at all.

Good Morning all!

I am totally cynical about everything they say and do. Ever sinse Cindy said we would vote Casey Mother of the year and this was after she knew about the money stolen from Grandmother, money stolen from Amy, money stolen from Cindy and she also knew Casey has misplaced her Grandaughter for 30 days. That was such an inappropriate statement at that time.

[Explorer]

I also think we are in for some shockers. Law enforcement is giving them time to fess up, but they are running out of time.

[trich]

I was sitting here dropping crumbs over my keyboard,, reading these posts and it just dawned on me......
No matter if the "stunts" the Anthonys and Baez may be doing to do take the focus off Casey....it really doesn't matter.
Except IMO making the Anthonys and the defense look even more foolish.
When this case goes to trial everything will be focused on Casey killing Caylee and the evidence surely will speak for itself.
What evidence we have been priviledge to so far and what the LE is
saving for trial will surely seal Casey's fate for killing her daughter.
I have to believe that.

Of course along the way I do hope that the LE charges Lee if he indeed did the things we think he did.
I also think that if Cindy and George have obstructed justice they should pay too.
This whole family has most certainly got their priorities all screwed up.
IMO they will never heal until they admit the truth about Casey.

[LostinSpace]

I really want to know what Lee has done!!!


One thing he did was give LE a phone email trying to show Casey had a job. It was something about some event she was supposed to attend as an 'event planner'. don't have a link, but it was in the documents released last week where the investigator was presenting the case. Lee gave them an email from some guy and they checked it out and there was no one at Universal had ever heard of him.

[?noanswer]

Was that the one where he said "his daughter" and then quickly corrected himself? I can tell you this, these attorneys that seem to be jumping at the chance to represent these people connected with this case, they have to be out of their minds or not seeing the forest for the trees.

I don't remember anything about a "daughter". It was the one where he said he had seen the videos that Hoover took of DC. Upon further ?s he gave several different answers, then finally admitted he had not seen them. JMO

[Neffy]

I was reading last night Dr. Baden gave a "visual" complete with styro head and duct tape. IIRC Dr. Baden is NOT on the "expert" list of approved people to see those photos he recreated. I was waiting for this to happen I wonder if this will come to bite Jose. We all know who these came from being Jose and LKB.

[Elle]

When did he shave his head

I may be wrong but I believe it was around the time they were asking for DNA samples.

I know of one time at the beginning of august, when he held the 18 minute long Q&A with the media outside of the jail, before his what was soon to be refused visit with CAsey. I don't know if their was another time, or when it was they had to get a court order for his DNA.

[Beach~Tenant]

Maybe nothing. But that hi-five he and Casey shared on the steps of the courthouse sure seemed inapproprite. With little Caylee dead/presumed missing, those two sure seemed out of line.

OMG, that just made my heart drop!!!:ohmy: I didn't see that:crying:

[nc1948]

IIRC he "disappeared" from the house fairly regularly.

I think he just needs a break from Cindy.

[Jeepers]

I was sitting here dropping crumbs over my keyboard,, reading these posts and it just dawned on me......
No matter if the "stunts" the Anthonys and Baez may be doing to do take the focus off Casey....it really doesn't matter.
Except IMO making the Anthonys and the defense look even more foolish.
When this case goes to trial everything will be focused on Casey killing Caylee and the evidence surely will speak for itself.
What evidence we have been priviledge to so far and what the LE is
saving for trial will surely seal Casey's fate for killing her daughter.
I have to believe that.

Of course along the way I do hope that the LE charges Lee if he indeed did the things we think he did.
I also think that if Cindy and George have obstructed justice they should pay too.
This whole family has most certainly got their priorities all screwed up.
IMO they will never heal until they admit the truth about Casey.

Good morning
I know while I have been hammering Cindy and worried about George LE has been just quietly working and working hard. Le has never lost their focus they know what Lee has done and I bet they can prove it. Lee should be focusing on his next move and it better be the right one. For his well being.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think Casey would sit in jail for anyone. I think she might be caught up in a catch 22. She can't tell on anyone else w/out convicting herself. In one of the jailhouse convo's. I really think she might have been aggrivated because she was the only one in jail and the rest of them were together and having what she thought was a good time.. We shall see in hindsight if what I was thinking when she was talking was right or not... I might have this all wrong but I feel like we might be in for some shockers...


Good morning all....

I agree with you, Casey would not take the fall for anyone at all....she is sitting in jail clamming up in hope to get herself out of jail....but it's not going to work.....

I wonder if Casey ever felt any love for anyone....even if she didn't love Caylee...did she ever love her parents at all....After her seeing all the damage she has caused to her family...and even seeing her father attempt suicide...would be enough to bring any person to their knees....The hardest of criminals have caved when their parents were brought into it....It's time to say enough is enough....

As for George, if I were him, I would have to wash mu hands of my daughter once and for all...and if this didn't shed something on the rest of them to make a decision to let go...then nothing will...It is quite obvious that Casey is not worth them going to pieces over....

I hope George continues to receive help that he needs and maybe he can convince Cindy and Lee to seek the help they need...and let Casey get what is coming to her....JMOO

[ellegna]

For those who missed the Today Show this morning.....here's the link

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28854091#28854091

[BANJO GRANNY]

Geeezzz...it broke my heart when Caylee was missing. Everyday thinking, the poor little girl deserved so much better. Her body needs to be found. Then they found her amd I thought...Thank you god, finally that little girl will be honored, and her memory respected. Now it is a month later, and that precious child is still being pushed to the side.

It makes me sick. At this point, I don't care what happens to the Anthony's. You reap what you sow!


For Caylee.........

I agree, This should be about Caylee and Justice for her, I could care less what happens to any of the A's
This whole family makes me sick.:cursing:

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[Neffy]

Maybe nothing. But that hi-five he and Casey shared on the steps of the courthouse sure seemed inapproprite. With little Caylee dead/presumed missing, those two sure seemed out of line.

That just plain looked bad.

What cracks me up is when Casey tells Lee she gave both him and LE the same information and Lee found so much more (by following her clues) LE did infact have these and debunked them all. Double email of Casey's of the Email she sent to herself from Universal. The names given being false. Lee really thought he cracked the case open and he'd cleared Casey.

[PuffDragon]

One thing he did was give LE a phone email trying to show Casey had a job. It was something about some event she was supposed to attend as an 'event planner'. don't have a link, but it was in the documents released last week where the investigator was presenting the case. Lee gave them an email from some guy and they checked it out and there was no one at Universal had ever heard of him.

*Bolding mine

There's nothing to indicate that Lee had any idea that email was a fake. It was created by Casey to bolster her job lie with the parents. Lee found it on the computer and passed it on to LE, probably quite innocently.

[?noanswer]

Good morning
I know while I have been hammering Cindy and worried about George LE has been just quietly working and working hard. Le has never lost their focus they know what Lee has done and I bet they can prove it. Lee should be focusing on his next move and it better be the right one. For his well being.

I agree with this. I know we posters think what is posted/not posted will have some impact on the trial, I do not believe that is true. Some have stated that the discussion of G over the weekend took the focus off KC. I agree, on this board it did, but not with LE. I think at any one given time there were no more than 300 posters and they were from all over the USA and other countries. I have faith that LE is on top of this and justice will be done. JMO

[LostinSpace]

*Bolding mine

There's nothing to indicate that Lee had any idea that email was a fake. It was created by Casey to bolster her job lie with the parents. Lee found it on the computer and passed it on to LE, probably quite innocently.



Oh. The way I read it, it sounded like LE thought he had created it. But, I could be
wrong. Here is the link. The bottom of page 4 is where it starts the discussion of the emails. I guess I don't understand why he would have had to give LE copies of emails if they already had her computer?


http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530229.pdf

[PuffDragon]

For those who missed the Today Show this morning.....here's the link

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28854091#28854091

One thing I thought was interesting. It's okay to believe that George can't get a job because of the publicity? Then what's wrong with believing that Zanaida hasn't been able to get a job because of the publicity???

[ellegna]

One thing I thought was interesting. It's okay to believe that George can't get a job because of the publicity? Then what's wrong with believing that Zanaida hasn't been able to get a job because of the publicity???

Excellent point :thumbup:

[PuffDragon]

Oh. The way I read it, it sounded like LE thought he had created it. But, I could be
wrong. Here is the link. The bottom of page 4 is where it starts the discussion of the emails. I guess I don't understand why he would have had to give LE copies of emails if they already had her computer?


http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530229.pdf

It's true there's nothing but straight facts on the report, it doesn't really say anything about what LE thought about who created it. I think there were other discussions about that email, can't remember for sure how we all knew that it was Casey who had created it, maybe somebody else here can clarify?

Me, leaving to get more caffeine to wake up memory cells.............>>>>:sleep:

[Elle]

One thing I thought was interesting. It's okay to believe that George can't get a job because of the publicity? Then what's wrong with believing that Zanaida hasn't been able to get a job because of the publicity???

Oh I definately have no problem believing that. I thought the same thing.
I don't know though if she will win her lawsuit.

Wonder how long this will push the deposition off til.
btw, do you remember when that hearing was w/ Baez about the civil suit? The 30 days should be coming up pretty soon I would think for those questions to have been answered by Casey/Baez.

[AJandTam]

Good morning all....

I agree with you, Casey would not take the fall for anyone at all....she is sitting in jail clamming up in hope to get herself out of jail....but it's not going to work.....

I wonder if Casey ever felt any love for anyone....even if she didn't love Caylee...did she ever love her parents at all....After her seeing all the damage she has caused to her family...and even seeing her father attempt suicide...would be enough to bring any person to their knees....The hardest of criminals have caved when their parents were brought into it....It's time to say enough is enough....

As for George, if I were him, I would have to wash mu hands of my daughter once and for all...and if this didn't shed something on the rest of them to make a decision to let go...then nothing will...It is quite obvious that Casey is not worth them going to pieces over....

I hope George continues to receive help that he needs and maybe he can convince Cindy and Lee to seek the help they need...and let Casey get what is coming to her....JMOO

Personally I think this family self destructed. It's just running it's course at this point. I think it is to late for any interventions. What's done is done.. All that is left now is the fallout...By the time this is over w/. I don't know that anyone in that immediate family will still be standing. I truly believe that some things just can't be fixed or truly ever healed. ... I predict a poetic justice ending.. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

One thing I thought was interesting. It's okay to believe that George can't get a job because of the publicity? Then what's wrong with believing that Zanaida hasn't been able to get a job because of the publicity???



That could be because reporters aren't chasing ZG around and actually never did....Also, no company would hire George with whats going on in his life...they would know that he would be missing alot of work....

At this point it would be wise for George to go on Disability..I'm sure his doctor would agree....this man cannot work under these circumstances ....In my opinion, I think he is the only one in that family that is acting "sane"....He needs closure very bad and as long as Cindy and Lee keep MAKING him lie to protect Casey, he will never have closure....and he knows it...

Maybe now he can finally open up to someone that he doesn't have to worry about it being in print the next hour.....No grandparent deserves to be going thru this...he needs to be able to grieve and he hasn't been able to do so......I will not condemn him at all...he seems to be the only one that IS putting Caylee first.....JMOO

[ishkabibble]

I agree. When Baez is asked by reporters what he has told Casey at different times he has alluded to "I tell her what I want her to know"
I don't think Casey really understands the magnitude of her crime. I don't think Baez is helping her comprehend what is at stake.
This has turned into Baez and what can you do for me!
I remember George and Cindy talking about they did not like Baez. If I were George and Cindy and really wanted to help Casey I would have tried to talk with Casey about getting a new attorney before Baez cut them off from seeing her.

Casey knows a lot that is going on, she has a radio and I'm sure she hears a lot of jail scuttlebut. She knew about George cursing out the media on the August 14 video and that happened minutes before they arrived to visit her. She can hear the guards talking and probably has access to newspapers. She may get the info a day late but I'm sure she is very well aware of what is going on. Her problem is that she still thinks she is in control of things and that Baez has her convinced she is a "victim"

[Neffy]

It's true there's nothing but straight facts on the report, it doesn't really say anything about what LE thought about who created it. I think there were other discussions about that email, can't remember for sure how we all knew that it was Casey who had created it, maybe somebody else here can clarify?

Me, leaving to get more caffeine to wake up memory cells.............>>>>:sleep:

I don't recall anyone claiming Lee created this but I do remember that I speculated that Lee created it. LE & finally Casey already debunked she was working at Universal. This email comes up after the fact. I had no proof other then just speculation.

[Jeepers]

I agree with this. I know we posters think what is posted/not posted will have some impact on the trial, I do not believe that is true. Some have stated that the discussion of G over the weekend took the focus off KC. I agree, on this board it did, but not with LE. I think at any one given time there were no more than 300 posters and they were from all over the USA and other countries. I have faith that LE is on top of this and justice will be done. JMO

I think Le is very much on this case. Le and FbI both treated this family fairly and sat there patiently listening to their lies and never once said anything mean or unprofessional to them in reference to them lying.
They just sat and there and listened to them hang themselves.
Cindy told them good stories about who she thought the bad guys were and why. George did tell more truths than lies but he still lied to them. Lee was my little inspector gadget through all of this, Le never said he was an idiot.
I would love to be at the water cooler at Orange County. I would just sit my desk right there by the paper cups.:w00t:

[?noanswer]

That could be because reporters aren't chasing ZG around and actually never did....Also, no company would hire George with whats going on in his life...they would know that he would be missing alot of work....

At this point it would be wise for George to go on Disability..I'm sure his doctor would agree....this man cannot work under these circumstances ....In my opinion, I think he is the only one in that family that is acting "sane"....He needs closure very bad and as long as Cindy and Lee keep MAKING him lie to protect Casey, he will never have closure....and he knows it...

Maybe now he can finally open up to someone that he doesn't have to worry about it being in print the next hour.....No grandparent deserves to be going thru this...he needs to be able to grieve and he hasn't been able to do so......I will not condemn him at all...he seems to be the only one that IS putting Caylee first.....JMOO

What kind of disability could G go on? JMO

[Jeepers]

Casey knows a lot that is going on, she has a radio and I'm sure she hears a lot of jail scuttlebut. She knew about George cursing out the media on the August 14 video and that happened minutes before they arrived to visit her. She can hear the guards talking and probably has access to newspapers. She may get the info a day late but I'm sure she is very well aware of what is going on. Her problem is that she still thinks she is in control of things and that Baez has her convinced she is a "victim"

Yes, Jose has her convinced she is a victim. So maybe she does know and she believes that Baez will be able to get her out of this.

[trt]

IMO I agree that Caylee not put to rest is wrong, but I have to ask what people think that C and G should do about it? If Casey gave the defense control over her body what can they do? Everyone is so wuick to blame them I wonder what they think they should be doing. I agree they haven't acted "right" in all this, but honestly I have never had a missing loved one so I don't know how I would handle it all. Another thing I am sure they were getting a bunch of calls from attorneys that wanted to represent them for free. We all can't figure out why they would need a attorney if they didn't do anything wrong, but maybe they are looking at it as a simple free help so they do the right thing because everyone is judging EVERYTHING they do. I know I wouldn't want my every move torn apart in a time like this. Don't you think if LE thought they had done something they would have arrested them by now?

Bolding is mine..

I don't necessarily think they would have done it right now. LE very well could be waiting on them to bury their grandchild before going through with any formal charges or trying to speak to them in more detail about what they know. But they had the *goods* on Casey a while before they finally arrested her and charged her with murder.

The Anthonys, as well as their attorney have admitted that the As have done wrong. They aren't just being overly cautious because of the public's opinion of them. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Personally I think this family self destructed. It's just running it's course at this point. I think it is to late for any interventions. What's done is done.. All that is left now is the fallout...By the time this is over w/. I don't know that anyone in that immediate family will still be standing. I truly believe that some things just can't be fixed or truly ever healed. ... I predict a poetic justice ending.. JMO.


Although I always agree with you...I do hope you are wrong here...I hate to see anyone hurting to this point...My hope is that this woke Cindy and Lee up and maybe will handle this a little different from here on in....I pray that they had a discussion and agree that Casey is really not worth all of this....they need to grieve for Caylee and get on with their lives as best they can...

They went about the whole situation all wrong....they knew their daughter was guilty...they knew Caylee was deceased...and they thru themselves into protecting the one that was in jail....ALL WRONG...imo...They should have focused on what was left of their family.....But i don't think anyone could have talked any sense into them before....maybe now, Cindy and Lee will also seek professional help to get thru this....and just maybe we will see them take a different turn....They can stand by their daughters side without lying for her...they can be there for her if they choose, but not lie for her...

Things like this happen in many families and if they cab get to a support group, they may realize the damage they are doing to themselves....I hope so anyway......JMO

[Barbara fl.]

What kind of disability could G go on? JMO


Mental disorder disability.....He tried to take his life...he is distraught...and can not face what is yet to come....any doctor would sign for his disability...even if it would only be temperory....That would also force him to go for regular therapy (which he so very much needs)....

[tybek]

OMG, that just made my heart drop!!!:ohmy: I didn't see that:crying:

It was disgusting, IMO. It really says something about the professionalism & competence of Jose Baez. No attorney in their right mind would high-five a client suspected of murdering their toddler child IN PUBLIC. A simple gesture like that can do a lot to turn public opinion against someone, it makes her look flip and carefree, not like a concerned mother worried sick over the disappearance of her child. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

That could be because reporters aren't chasing ZG around and actually never did....Also, no company would hire George with whats going on in his life...they would know that he would be missing alot of work....

At this point it would be wise for George to go on Disability..I'm sure his doctor would agree....this man cannot work under these circumstances ....In my opinion, I think he is the only one in that family that is acting "sane"....He needs closure very bad and as long as Cindy and Lee keep MAKING him lie to protect Casey, he will never have closure....and he knows it...

Maybe now he can finally open up to someone that he doesn't have to worry about it being in print the next hour.....No grandparent deserves to be going thru this...he needs to be able to grieve and he hasn't been able to do so......I will not condemn him at all...he seems to be the only one that IS putting Caylee first.....JMOO

ITA Barb, after hearing Lennie talk about what the neighbors told him concerning George pulling Caylee in her wagon and hearing George himself speak about his little Caylee, I have a different picture of him than most.

I see Cindy and Casey as spenders, loving to play the role of fashionista GM and whatever Casey calls herself, but I have a feeling George GAVE OF HIMSELF to Caylee. Not to say Cindy didn't love Caylee, I KNOW SHE DID whether she complained about taking care of her or not. She loved her. I even believe Casey loved her in her toxic way, but something went terribly wrong in those last minutes of Caylee's life and EVERYONE IN THAT FAMILY is hiding from it for various reasons. jmo

:rose: Justice 4 CAYLEE! :rose:

[Neffy]

Casey knows a lot that is going on, she has a radio and I'm sure she hears a lot of jail scuttlebut. She knew about George cursing out the media on the August 14 video and that happened minutes before they arrived to visit her. She can hear the guards talking and probably has access to newspapers. She may get the info a day late but I'm sure she is very well aware of what is going on. Her problem is that she still thinks she is in control of things and that Baez has her convinced she is a "victim"

I was surprised to hear Casey say "she knew" about the run in George had with the media (let alone laugh about it) but what really surprised me was hearing about the Chili and supposed party on Caylee's birthday. I don't recall that being in the media what so ever until the jail house visit brought it out. How to this get back to Casey? Lee, Cindy, Lee, Mallory there plus one lonely stranger. Who talked?

[CANDYKISSES]

It was disgusting, IMO. It really says something about the professionalism & competence of Jose Baez. No attorney in their right mind would high-five a client suspected of murdering their toddler child IN PUBLIC. A simple gesture like that can do a lot to turn public opinion against someone, it makes her look flip and carefree, not like a concerned mother worried sick over the disappearance of her child. JMO

Right, IT WAS INDEED DISGUSTING IMO too.

FGS, I can't imagine a high-five unless Caylee was walking right beside him, but we all know poor little Caylee was probably rotting in a trash bag while they were yucking it up. I will never get over that one myself. barf

[VC2]

aren't they suppose to wait 72 hrs to file for a missing persons report? That's what I don't get. Why did Geo get special treatment?

they NEVER wait 72 hours when someone sounds like they want to take their own life.

[Barbara fl.]

ITA Barb, after hearing Lennie talk about what the neighbors told him concerning George pulling Caylee in her wagon and hearing George himself speak about his little Caylee, I have a different picture of him than most.

I see Cindy and Casey as spenders, loving to play the role of fashionista GM and whatever Casey calls herself, but I have a feeling George GAVE OF HIMSELF to Caylee. Not to say Cindy didn't love Caylee, I KNOW SHE DID whether she complained about taking care of her or not. She loved her. I even believe Casey loved her in her toxic way, but something went terribly wrong in those last minutes of Caylee's life and EVERYONE IN THAT FAMILY is hiding from it for various reasons. jmo

:rose: Justice 4 CAYLEE! :rose:


Yes, I truly believe that George was very bonded to Caylee...and it is so sad that he has not been able to grieve for her...I think that is why he decided to do what he did....He knows he will never have his family back the way it was, he knew Cindy was adament about anyone in the family goinf against Casey.....Hopefully they will set their priorities straight after this...and see that they need to salvage what is left of the family rather then destroying everyone..while Casey makes a life for herself in prison....I hope so anyway

[CANDYKISSES]

It was Elle, and I thought tybek was trying to convey that Jose didn't seem to educate his client on how to present herself. But, I guess nobody could foresee the brother and sister duet high-fiving each other in a case like this.....:sad:

[Regina.Lampert]

Does anyone know if LE requested a search warrant for lee anthony's phone records and phone?

Aslo, it was reported on NG or GVS that george was seen often pulling Caylee around the neighborhood in a wagon. I wonder if LE found that wagon anywhere?

[tybek]

Although I always agree with you...I do hope you are wrong here...I hate to see anyone hurting to this point...My hope is that this woke Cindy and Lee up and maybe will handle this a little different from here on in....I pray that they had a discussion and agree that Casey is really not worth all of this....they need to grieve for Caylee and get on with their lives as best they can...

They went about the whole situation all wrong....they knew their daughter was guilty...they knew Caylee was deceased...and they thru themselves into protecting the one that was in jail....ALL WRONG...imo...They should have focused on what was left of their family.....But i don't think anyone could have talked any sense into them before....maybe now, Cindy and Lee will also seek professional help to get thru this....and just maybe we will see them take a different turn....They can stand by their daughters side without lying for her...they can be there for her if they choose, but not lie for her...

Things like this happen in many families and if they cab get to a support group, they may realize the damage they are doing to themselves....I hope so anyway......JMO

I think it might even be hard for them to find a support group that they will fit in and that won't hold some grudges. Not unless they drop the "Casey is innocent" charade. There are support groups for folks who have lost children, folks who have lost loved ones, probably even folks whose kids have murdered...but their case is pretty unique...folks whose kids have murdered one of their own kids and for whom they are still lying and covering up. My aunt whose son ran afoul of the law and who thus died as a result of his own bad choices (repeated choices over the years) joined a support group for parents who had lost children. At first they were embracing and sympathetic, but after a several months of her repeated denial and "Poor little Billy, he didn't do anything wrong", they got sick of hearing it and they got sick of her. As long as this family remains in denial, it is going to be hard for them to find a HEALTHY support group to accept them. JMO

[Jeepers]

ITA Barb, after hearing Lennie talk about what the neighbors told him concerning George pulling Caylee in her wagon and hearing George himself speak about his little Caylee, I have a different picture of him than most.

I see Cindy and Casey as spenders, loving to play the role of fashionista GM and whatever Casey calls herself, but I have a feeling George GAVE OF HIMSELF to Caylee. Not to say Cindy didn't love Caylee, I KNOW SHE DID whether she complained about taking care of her or not. She loved her. I even believe Casey loved her in her toxic way, but something went terribly wrong in those last minutes of Caylee's life and EVERYONE IN THAT FAMILY is hiding from it for various reasons. jmo

:rose: Justice 4 CAYLEE! :rose:


I feel different about George too. He is the only one with a conscience problem it appears. I guess I relate to my grandfather. George talked to Casey one time at the jail about Spongebob and that Caylee loved Spongebob, I can see George pulling her in her little wagon. Talking about Popa Jo Jo.
I think George did a lot with Caylee and gave her a lot of attention.

[darcie]

IMO I agree that Caylee not put to rest is wrong, but I have to ask what people think that C and G should do about it? If Casey gave the defense control over her body what can they do? Everyone is so wuick to blame them I wonder what they think they should be doing. I agree they haven't acted "right" in all this, but honestly I have never had a missing loved one so I don't know how I would handle it all. Another thing I am sure they were getting a bunch of calls from attorneys that wanted to represent them for free. We all can't figure out why they would need a attorney if they didn't do anything wrong, but maybe they are looking at it as a simple free help so they do the right thing because everyone is judging EVERYTHING they do. I know I wouldn't want my every move torn apart in a time like this. Don't you think if LE thought they had done something they would have arrested them by now?


I have no clue as to the legalities of it all. But if I was the Anthony's I would sue my child's butt (Casey) in a heart beat for the Caylee's remains. Keeping Caylee at a Mortuary is not helping anyone. They don't have to stand up and shout my daughter is guilty of murdering my grandchild, but they can stand up and say my daughter is WRONG, and my grandchild should be buried. I'd have her butt in court, that is for dang sure. Look at the Anna Nichole Fiasco. Fiasco it was, but it got settled.

How is keeping Caylee from being buried helping their daughter? It isn't. If the defense team hasnt' found it by now, they aren't going to!

The dynamics in this family is scarey. They are worrying about tomorrow, when they can't even face today.


MOO...

[jammies]

I agree that it was a total waste but it didn't stop the media from discussing the doc dump. IIRC, Mike Galanos (HLN) extended his coverage just so the discussion about the documents would continue.

With George, the focus was all on his suicide attempt and it was a pity party on all the talk shows. Except for Wendy Murphy who was on JVM who was honest about her feelings towards the family. Kudos to her for not letting this get in the way of justice for Caylee.



Yep. Wendy said that George needs to tell the truth and end this. JVM about had a heart attack. Guess Wendy didn't get the memo. Was funny to watch JVM's reaction.

[Jeepers]

Everyone have a good morning, I have to go and plan an Event.

[CANDYKISSES]

I feel different about George too. He is the only one with a conscience problem it appears. I guess I relate to my grandfather. George talked to Casey one time at the jail about Spongebob and that Caylee loved Spongebob, I can see George pulling her in her little wagon. Talking about Popa Jo Jo.
I think George did a lot with Caylee and gave her a lot of attention.

My sentiments too Jeepers. :sad:

[tybek]

It was Elle, and I thought tybek was trying to convey that Jose didn't seem to educate his client on how to present herself. But, I guess nobody could foresee the brother and sister duet high-fiving each other in a case like this.....:sad:

Thanks for clarifying for me :laugh: I think Jose should have coached her on playing the part of a grieving mother...even if she wasn't, a good attorney would have. She would have been smart enough to understand that. But then again, maybe he did and maybe Casey just did what she wanted to do anyway...she does have a history of that...

[CANDYKISSES]

Yep. Wendy said that George needs to tell the truth and end this. JVM about had a heart attack. Guess Wendy didn't get the memo. Was funny to watch JVM's reaction.

Dang, that's one I'm sorry I missed. I haven't seen Wendy back on earth for a long time now. :w00t:

[tybek]

That just plain looked bad.

What cracks me up is when Casey tells Lee she gave both him and LE the same information and Lee found so much more (by following her clues) LE did infact have these and debunked them all. Double email of Casey's of the Email she sent to herself from Universal. The names given being false. Lee really thought he cracked the case open and he'd cleared Casey.

Do you really think Lee thought he cracked the case? Or that he was just following up, hoping against hope that something would come of it?

[CANDYKISSES]

Thanks for clarifying for me :laugh: I think Jose should have coached her on playing the part of a grieving mother...even if she wasn't, a good attorney would have. She would have been smart enough to understand that. But then again, maybe he did and maybe Casey just did what she wanted to do anyway...she does have a history of that...

YW tybek, my fingers and tongue get tied on this case while I am continuously surprised at each new turn.

I guess we'll never know how long and hard Jose worked to make Casey into a victim, but she's just not of that fabric IMO. :cursing:

[VC2]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_JbSr7ftdY

I am confused. I know nothing about suicide but in this report it states he now has the will to live...I would think that it would take a lot longer than 3 days to come back to living. This is why I don't believe them this also seems that Conway is hinting for a new career for George...You know these people make my head hurt....JMO (well for the suicide part of my blog my head hurting is a fact)

no, it can take less than 24 hours, been there. It is why people are often released in less than 72 hours. You are not rational when you want to die, its a different state of mind and sometimes all it takes is a little time. I have a golden rule, no matter how much i think i want to end it all wait until the next day. Normally in the morning i find the will to keep going. In some people though they can get that far and no further, still in the depths of serious depression. In fact its why anti depressants warn that some poeple will feel suicidal after they start taking them, if you are too depressed then you don't even have the motivation to kill yourself and there is a dangerous period where you are still depressed but now have more motivation to get up and do something.

In geoge's case i doubt he has completely though, his burdens are immense. That he has not been released over the weekend tells me that the docs see that he needs more treatment too.

[Neffy]

Does anyone know if LE requested a search warrant for lee anthony's phone records and phone?

Aslo, it was reported on NG or GVS that george was seen often pulling Caylee around the neighborhood in a wagon. I wonder if LE found that wagon anywhere?

Other then Lee's statement I've not seen one thing from his cell phone, apartment or LE talking to Mallory (except of course when she went in to "feed" the dogs the same day the remains were found).

I thought yesterday's statement looked a bit ominous Lee being "treated seperately".

[bchand]

I think it might even be hard for them to find a support group that they will fit in and that won't hold some grudges. Not unless they drop the "Casey is innocent" charade. There are support groups for folks who have lost children, folks who have lost loved ones, probably even folks whose kids have murdered...but their case is pretty unique...folks whose kids have murdered one of their own kids and for whom they are still lying and covering up. My aunt whose son ran afoul of the law and who thus died as a result of his own bad choices (repeated choices over the years) joined a support group for parents who had lost children. At first they were embracing and sympathetic, but after a several months of her repeated denial and "Poor little Billy, he didn't do anything wrong", they got sick of hearing it and they got sick of her. As long as this family remains in denial, it is going to be hard for them to find a HEALTHY support group to accept them. JMO

I agree with you tybek. Another good beginning for them would be to distance themselves from KidFinders.

It just shows me their lack of judgement that they still think they are "good" people. I disagree, I think they are just users.

[Elle]

It was Elle, and I thought tybek was trying to convey that Jose didn't seem to educate his client on how to present herself. But, I guess nobody could foresee the brother and sister duet high-fiving each other in a case like this.....:sad:

Hi Candy
I agree, I don't think Baez has educated her as to how to present herself properly, but then again I don't think Baez knows how to present himself properly.
I don't expect anything from Casey, and she has not failed to disappoint. I would have thought though that Lee would have not participated in such an open act of disrespect toward Caylee.

imo

[PuffDragon]

I see Cindy and Casey as spenders, loving to play the role of fashionista GM and whatever Casey calls herself, but I have a feeling George GAVE OF HIMSELF to Caylee. Not to say Cindy didn't love Caylee, I KNOW SHE DID whether she complained about taking care of her or not. She loved her. I even believe Casey loved her in her toxic way
<respectfully snipped>


I do believe that George and Cindy loved Caylee. It seems obvious to me in Cindy's Facebook plea. And George always sounded to me like a typical grandfather who adores his grandbaby but can't quite verbalize the feelings he has. As for Casey, sorry, I don't believe it for a second. Casey only loves Casey, she has shown absolutely no love for Caylee .... not even any like for Caylee.....as far as I've seen, but plenty of self-absorption.

[Elle]

I do believe that George and Cindy loved Caylee. It seems obvious to me in Cindy's Facebook plea. And George always sounded to me like a typical grandfather who adores his grandbaby but can't quite verbalize the feelings he has. As for Casey, sorry, I don't believe it for a second. Casey only loves Casey, she has shown absolutely no love for Caylee .... not even any like for Caylee.....as far as I've seen, but plenty of self-absorption.

I completely agree.

[?noanswer]

Mental disorder disability.....He tried to take his life...he is distraught...and can not face what is yet to come....any doctor would sign for his disability...even if it would only be temperory....That would also force him to go for regular therapy (which he so very much needs)....

I guess I stated my question incorrectly. I should have asked if you meant "paid" disablilty and, if so, who would "pay" it. JMO

[Daffodil]

Hi Candy
I agree, I don't think Baez has educated her as to how to present herself properly, but then again I don't think Baez knows how to present himself properly.
I don't expect anything from Casey, and she has not failed to disappoint. I would have thought though that Lee would have not participated in such an open act of disrespect toward Caylee.

imo

I don't know if anyone else noticed, but I saw a sparkle in her eye when she was in court the last time. Don't know if it was for Baez or just the fact that she had a new acting role.

[Regina.Lampert]

Other then Lee's statement I've not seen one thing from his cell phone, apartment or LE talking to Mallory (except of course when she went in to "feed" the dogs the same day the remains were found).

I thought yesterday's statement looked a bit ominous Lee being "treated seperately".

Hiya Neff! I ask because I know I saw a report this morning, and of course can't find it now, that LE suspects him of knowing Caylee was missing long before he said he did. If that were true, certainly they tried to get his phone records. Maybe he was in touch with casey anthony thru her "lost" phone.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hi Candy
I agree, I don't think Baez has educated her as to how to present herself properly, but then again I don't think Baez knows how to present himself properly.
I don't expect anything from Casey, and she has not failed to disappoint. I would have thought though that Lee would have not participated in such an open act of disrespect toward Caylee.

imo

I agree on Jose, that last whiny PC was enough for me. :thumbdown:

I am very surprised by some of the things we have seen concerning LEE, but maybe some of us expected too much because he seemed to really want to get to the bottom of what happened to Caylee, and then we found out not so much IMOO.

[tybek]

YW tybek, my fingers and tongue get tied on this case while I am continuously surprised at each new turn.

I guess we'll never know how long and hard Jose worked to make Casey into a victim, but she's just not of that fabric IMO. :cursing:

You are absolutely right, she is NOT of that fabric! I don't get teh impression he has tried that hard, though. Not from when I have seen him speak.

[jammies]

Me too n/t!! I am curious what Casey really told Lee while they were sitting in Casey's room that night..Why did it take 2 hrs to go to TonE's??..Im sure LE questioned TonE about Lee's visit that night and how long he was there. I also wonder where JP Chatts interview is as well.


IF Casey told Lee the same Zanny Nanny story and he believed her there would be no reason to wipe out her computer.

Either he was suspicious or her story or she told him something incriminating. Maybe he wiped her computer at her request?

[Barbara fl.]

I think it might even be hard for them to find a support group that they will fit in and that won't hold some grudges. Not unless they drop the "Casey is innocent" charade. There are support groups for folks who have lost children, folks who have lost loved ones, probably even folks whose kids have murdered...but their case is pretty unique...folks whose kids have murdered one of their own kids and for whom they are still lying and covering up. My aunt whose son ran afoul of the law and who thus died as a result of his own bad choices (repeated choices over the years) joined a support group for parents who had lost children. At first they were embracing and sympathetic, but after a several months of her repeated denial and "Poor little Billy, he didn't do anything wrong", they got sick of hearing it and they got sick of her. As long as this family remains in denial, it is going to be hard for them to find a HEALTHY support group to accept them. JMO


You are most deffinetly correct...they have to want the help...and they have to come to terms with what has happened.....I somehow believe that George is ready for this, but Cindy is another story...If she wants to continue the charade of "Casey is innocent", then for sure th eropy will not help....

I hope that George can seperate himself this and get the help that he needs...or this whole family is doomed...

And the sad part is that they are going thru all this pain for a person (Casey) that couldn't care less about them....Hopefully they will see this eventually before it's too late for all of them....The loss of Caylee is enough to put anyone over the edge, but they will get thru that in time.....it's the trial and the fact that their daughter is charged with the murder that has to be the very worst to go thru...

They really need outside help and I hope they go for it.......


And thru all of this, Casey is still not breaking....that alone should show this family that she is not worth it.....

[CANDYKISSES]

I do believe that George and Cindy loved Caylee. It seems obvious to me in Cindy's Facebook plea. And George always sounded to me like a typical grandfather who adores his grandbaby but can't quite verbalize the feelings he has. As for Casey, sorry, I don't believe it for a second. Casey only loves Casey, she has shown absolutely no love for Caylee .... not even any like for Caylee.....as far as I've seen, but plenty of self-absorption.

While I know that's all we've seen of Casey, it's hard to believe she was ALWAYS like that. This is one reason I am looking forward to a trial and hearing and seeing people speak about CASEY THEN and CASEY NOW.

She baffles my mind. :cursing: How can she completely distance herself from a child she brought into this world????

[AnnInOhio]

Oh. The way I read it, it sounded like LE thought he had created it. But, I could be
wrong. Here is the link. The bottom of page 4 is where it starts the discussion of the emails. I guess I don't understand why he would have had to give LE copies of emails if they already had her computer?


http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530229.pdf

I took it that Lee was trying to show LE why the family believed Casey was working. I suspect Casey "forged" the emails after her parents began to suspect she was lying about having a job and showed them to them as "proof". I can picture Casey's acting out a scenario of righteous indignation that her parents would DARE question her employment!

[Barbara fl.]

I guess I stated my question incorrectly. I should have asked if you meant "paid" disablilty and, if so, who would "pay" it. JMO


He would be entitled to government disability (SSD).....Florida does not have a state disabilty....but he would be entitled to government...all it would take is a Doctor's signature......stating that he is unable to work.

[tybek]

Hi Candy
I agree, I don't think Baez has educated her as to how to present herself properly, but then again I don't think Baez knows how to present himself properly.
I don't expect anything from Casey, and she has not failed to disappoint. I would have thought though that Lee would have not participated in such an open act of disrespect toward Caylee.

imo

I was just wondering about the point you raised about Jose...he doesn't present himself well at all, I think his ego gets in the way. He comes across as arrogant and with a "I dare you to prove anything" attitude. I think he was Casey's choice as a lawyer, which makes perfect sense. I doubt Cindy and George would have picked him, but that's just based on my "gut feeling".

[Barbara fl.]

I myself (my opinion)

This suicide event was planned to get media attention...
Come on! He "went missing" for less than 24 hours...
Guess they forgot about the "ping" on the cell phone inquiries
they know to do...
They must have thought, we have to report this right away to let them know our George was behaving strange before he left the house.
The Pizza, beer and other yum yums were ordered because George himself didn't think they would locate him in less than an HOUR...
MOO...



And what would possibly be gained by that? Do you really think that any human being can sit back and think of things like this to do while their granddaughter is deceased (murdered by thier daughter)? I don't think so....I believe it that George didn't want to live anymore and the beer was giving him the courage to take his life..........

[Regina.Lampert]

For those who missed the Today Show this morning.....here's the link

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/28854091#28854091

Thanks Ell. Good interview by Meredith Viera. Conway says that george will remain in the hospital, receiving treatment.

I like that Conway complains about not being able to bury Caylee, is this a shot over the bow of the defense?

Didn't like that he blamed george not being able to get a job, on the media's "negative" portrayal of him. If george can't get a job, it's due to his actions alone, imo.

[Neffy]

Hiya Neff! I ask because I know I saw a report this morning, and of course can't find it now, that LE suspects him of knowing Caylee was missing long before he said he did. If that were true, certainly they tried to get his phone records. Maybe he was in touch with casey anthony thru her "lost" phone.


:seeya:

With Conways statement this morning does Lee not have his own lawyer anymore. I'm just wondering if Lee being kept "separate" means that these records are being kept separate from the case and wouldn't end up in Casey's doc dump case but his own.

I wonder if any record request other the Casey's has been requested or do you have to have charges pending or issued to the person to get these records released as public if something does infact exist "separately".

[Elle]

I was just wondering about the point you raised about Jose...he doesn't present himself well at all, I think his ego gets in the way. He comes across as arrogant and with a "I dare you to prove anything" attitude. I think he was Casey's choice as a lawyer, which makes perfect sense. I doubt Cindy and George would have picked him, but that's just based on my "gut feeling".

I agree with your take on Jose, and I believe your "gut feeling'" to be right on. George even brought up how they did not like Baez when he was talking to either LE or FBI.

[PuffDragon]

While I know that's all we've seen of Casey, it's hard to believe she was ALWAYS like that. This is one reason I am looking forward to a trial and hearing and seeing people speak about CASEY THEN and CASEY NOW.

She baffles my mind. :cursing: How can she completely distance herself from a child she brought into this world????

Because she's a sociopath. I know, I know, there's no official diagnosis on her, but everything she's done, said, and acted fits the profile of a sociopath. There's no bafflement about it, she loves and trusts no one but herself. There are a lot of people like that around. Once you've know one you start recognizing them everywhere. Classic sociopathic behavior:

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.

Incapacity for Love

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. Other Related Qualities:



Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Sound like Casey?

[tybek]

:seeya:

With Conways statement this morning does Lee not have his own lawyer anymore. I'm just wondering if Lee being kept "separate" means that these records are being kept separate from the case and wouldn't end up in Casey's doc dump case but his own.

I wonder if any record request other the Casey's has been requested or do you have to have charges pending or issued to the person to get these records released as public if something does infact exist "separately".

Speaking of Lee, I'm curious to know what folks on the board think is going on with Lee (i.e. where he stands on everything, what he thinks at this point). I really don't know what to think of Lee...

[Regina.Lampert]

IF Casey told Lee the same Zanny Nanny story and he believed her there would be no reason to wipe out her computer.

Either he was suspicious or her story or she told him something incriminating. Maybe he wiped her computer at her request?

Hmm, I wonder if lee wiped out all his communications with casey? Perhaps that was the proof he knew about Caylee long before he said he did. Surely he was smart enough to know that LE could retreive that info tho, wasn't he?

[Neffy]

Do you really think Lee thought he cracked the case? Or that he was just following up, hoping against hope that something would come of it?

At that time I do. I believe Casey had given Lee a "big head" admiring how he was able to "confirm" everything she said was true.

When Cindy told the public that her PI's have confirmed Casey's stories to be true I think she was talking about PI LEE.

[VC2]

IMO I agree that Caylee not put to rest is wrong, but I have to ask what people think that C and G should do about it? If Casey gave the defense control over her body what can they do? Everyone is so wuick to blame them I wonder what they think they should be doing. I agree they haven't acted "right" in all this, but honestly I have never had a missing loved one so I don't know how I would handle it all. Another thing I am sure they were getting a bunch of calls from attorneys that wanted to represent them for free. We all can't figure out why they would need a attorney if they didn't do anything wrong, but maybe they are looking at it as a simple free help so they do the right thing because everyone is judging EVERYTHING they do. I know I wouldn't want my every move torn apart in a time like this. Don't you think if LE thought they had done something they would have arrested them by now?

Everyone needs an attorney in a case like this if only to help explain the process, what is happening, what will happen, why some things are being done etc.

iirc Mark Lunsford had an attorney and he was cooperating fully. I would have hired an attorney on day one, bc no way could i understand what was going on especially in the beginning when cops are looking at everyone as suspects. Remember Riley Fox's dad, he was innocent and he ended up confessing under interrogation!! but doesn't matter if the cops think you are as innocent as the snow itself, this nightmare is one most people need an attorney to guide them in.

[AnnInOhio]

He would be entitled to government disability (SSD).....Florida does not have a state disabilty....but he would be entitled to government...all it would take is a Doctor's signature......stating that he is unable to work.

Too bad Casey didn't file for full disability! She could claim she was unable to work and hold a job because she was a compulsive liar. Then she'd have had a steady source of income, wouldn't have been harassed by mom and dad or had to resort to stealing from friends and relatives for a living. Heck, now that I think about it, maybe I'll just stop dealing with reality and let you all support me instead of working! Then maybe I can keep up with this message board!

[Mairi II]

I think it's a good thing George will be staying in the hospital. Not only will he receive treatment but also perhaps he'll come to his senses without Cindy's constant presence. Maybe we'll see a more forthright George. His absence may also be therapeutic for Cindy, too.

[desmom]

IF Casey told Lee the same Zanny Nanny story and he believed her there would be no reason to wipe out her computer.

Either he was suspicious or her story or she told him something incriminating. Maybe he wiped her computer at her request?

Morning!

IIRC, Lee A. told LE he and Casey were together in the garage that lst night while LE was talking to G & C. It would have been a good opportunity for Casey to tell Lee to wipe the computer. jmo

[PuffDragon]

Speaking of Lee, I'm curious to know what folks on the board think is going on with Lee (i.e. where he stands on everything, what he thinks at this point). I really don't know what to think of Lee...

I don't either. :shrug:

[tybek]

At that time I do. I believe Casey had given Lee a "big head" admiring how he was able to "confirm" everything she said was true.

When Cindy told the public that her PI's have confirmed Casey's stories to be true I think she was talking about PI LEE.

Then Lee isn't very smart...

I never thought about Lee being the "PI" I don't know whether to think that is funny or just plain sad. But it would fit in perfectly with this bizarre case. JMO

[Neffy]

Speaking of Lee, I'm curious to know what folks on the board think is going on with Lee (i.e. where he stands on everything, what he thinks at this point). I really don't know what to think of Lee...

I believe Lee like the rest of the family was able to catch on fairly quick after looking into things himself especially after what he found had been debunked by LE. Unlike the rest of the family he clammed up. What I think of Lee's after the fact involvement is kind of fragmented right now and I'd rather think more about it before I answer instead of just saying pieces parts.

[tybek]

]I think it's a good thing George will be staying in the hospital. Not only will he receive treatment but also perhaps he'll come to his senses without Cindy's constant presence. Maybe we'll see a more forthright George. [/B] His absence may also be therapeutic for Cindy, too.

Lets hope it happens. I do think George is conflicted and part of him wants to face the truth. I think he has been that way from the start.

[Regina.Lampert]

:seeya:

With Conways statement this morning does Lee not have his own lawyer anymore. I'm just wondering if Lee being kept "separate" means that these records are being kept separate from the case and wouldn't end up in Casey's doc dump case but his own.

I wonder if any record request other the Casey's has been requested or do you have to have charges pending or issued to the person to get these records released as public if something does infact exist "separately".

I think you're right, "separate" is the operative word here. Gonna get interesting, imo.

[Barbara fl.]

Too bad Casey didn't file for full disability! She could claim she was unable to work and hold a job because she was a compulsive liar. Then she'd have had a steady source of income, wouldn't have been harassed by mom and dad or had to resort to stealing from friends and relatives for a living. Heck, now that I think about it, maybe I'll just stop dealing with reality and let you all support me instead of working! Then maybe I can keep up with this message board!



Disability is NOT welfare....we pay for disability....just like we pay for our social security.....we had to have worked to be entitled to it....If you become unable to work due to mental or health problems, you can receive your benefits...

I really do not see the fun in all of this.....it is all very tragic....

[Snoopy50]

Thanks Ell. Good interview by Meredith Viera. Conway says that george will remain in the hospital, receiving treatment.

I like that Conway complains about not being able to bury Caylee, is this a shot over the bow of the defense?

Didn't like that he blamed george not being able to get a job, on the media's "negative" portrayal of him. If george can't get a job, it's due to his actions alone, imo.

I have a problem believing that George's latest situation isn't a staged ploy, but I do agree that had George wanted to work in recent YEARS, he could have. His lack of work ethics didn't begin in 2008, this has been an ongoing thing for years as evidenced by the emails released recently. IMO We were away this weekend, just catching up.

[Dells]

(Snipped, to comment on a particular point).

Smiling foolishly as though she were in some happy social setting. Man, that was weird, last time!

It sure was! It will be interesting to see how she reacts to being in court this next time.

[PuffDragon]

Hmm, I wonder if lee wiped out all his communications with casey? Perhaps that was the proof he knew about Caylee long before he said he did. Surely he was smart enough to know that LE could retreive that info tho, wasn't he?

*Bolding mine

A lot of people believe that formatting your hard drive erases it completely (it doesn't). I don't know about other OSes but you can't format a hard drive when a Windows OS is running, Windows protects itself from homicide (uh, computercide?). It would mess up the system though and probably made it unable to be booted up, at which point Lee might not have known what to do then and wouldn't have had time to do anything further so he ended up with 'the blue screen of death' and hoped it would be enough to cover Casey for whatever might have been on there.

[Dells]

I think that's her cover. She's good at covering. I did however see a flash of shock for just one second in her eyes when the state said they were testing the tape for fingerprints. I think Baez has been lying to her and keeping her in the dark to keep her from pleading out and the judge suspects that. Hence the ruling that she has to attend the hearings so she knows what's against her.

I agree. I think Baez is only keeping her abreast of things he wants her to know. No doubt that the judge picked up on that so that is why he is ordering her to court from now on. I think it will be a very eye opening experience for her.

[Motomom]

While I know that's all we've seen of Casey, it's hard to believe she was ALWAYS like that. This is one reason I am looking forward to a trial and hearing and seeing people speak about CASEY THEN and CASEY NOW.

She baffles my mind. :cursing: How can she completely distance herself from a child she brought into this world????

Good morning. Just popping in a bit now and then, need to get my fix:smile:

Maybe that is why she partied nonstop, to keep her mind off of Caylee. When her mind was resting, while she slept, she supposedly woke up sweating, having nightmares. I think she took the out of sight, out of mind. The mind is a powerful thing, and it is possible that she was believing, somehow, that the child was with the nanny, believing all the stories she was told. i don't mean forgetting that she killed her. I think it was like a defense mechanisim she set off after killing her, that's why she is able to disconnect from this child. All JMO and I don't know if it will make sense to someone else or not.

[AnnInOhio]

And what would possibly be gained by that? Do you really think that any human being can sit back and think of things like this to do while their granddaughter is deceased (murdered by thier daughter)? I don't think so....I believe it that George didn't want to live anymore and the beer was giving him the courage to take his life..........

I can't imagine sitting there envisioning your own daughter putting a heart sticker on the duct tape over the mouth of your granddaughter, a beautiful little girl full of promise reduced to a trash bag of bones that it is beyond your power to bury. Walking on eggshells living with a wife who is in complete denial and intends to stay there; a son who may also be facing indictment for who-knows-what. Thinking you're going to have to testify at trial and your answers are probably going to help convict your own daughter. I'd be mentally exhausted and who knows what might start to look like the "right" or "easy" thing to do.

[trt]

Disability is NOT welfare....we pay for disability....just like we pay for our social security.....we had to have worked to be entitled to it....If you become unable to work due to mental or health problems, you can receive your benefits...

I really do not see the fun in all of this.....it is all very tragic....

I always thought that disability benefits could be retrieved if you were already working and something happened to prevent you from being able to work. Apparently, George hasn't been working since a couple of weeks after this whole saga started...he was a security guard who had just recently started and was let go, IIRC. I don't see how he would be entitled to any benefits for disability...unless you are talking about some sort of welfare program.

JMO

[Beach~Tenant]

Originally Posted by darcie
I have no clue as to the legalities of it all. But if I was the Anthony's I would sue my child's butt (Casey) in a heart beat for the Caylee's remains. Keeping Caylee at a Mortuary is not helping anyone. They don't have to stand up and shout my daughter is guilty of murdering my grandchild, but they can stand up and say my daughter is WRONG, and my grandchild should be buried. I'd have her butt in court, that is for dang sure. Look at the Anna Nichole Fiasco. Fiasco it was, but it got settled.

How is keeping Caylee from being buried helping their daughter? It isn't. If the defense team hasnt' found it by now, they aren't going to!

The dynamics in this family is scarey. They are worrying about tomorrow, when they can't even face today.


I aggree! I just cant understand what more they can find AND why THIS particular part of the investigation taking so flipping long? What is the hold up??? wouldn't THAT be a TOP prority?? I also believe the A's should sue for the remains BUT...how long would that take? with all the red tape and stuff? maybe they should have started that on day 1!!!

[Dells]

Same here Kath. I still question if this was some sort of diversion to get the media's focus away from the doc dumps. I guess we'll never know for sure.

What came to mind last was why Conway called John Allen and not 911 immediately? Does he think the Anthonys have special priveleges? Thank goodness the Sherriff told him to follow proper protocol. Call 911 and file a missing person report. Everything about the Anthonys makes me doubt their intentions. Sad to say but I don't trust them at all.

Good Morning all!

I wonder if they had Conway call 911 so that later they can't claim police misconduct or something like that. They want to make sure they do everything by the book w/this family or else it is going to come back and bite them in the butt later on.

[Barbara fl.]

I can't imagine sitting there envisioning your own daughter putting a heart sticker on the duct tape over the mouth of your granddaughter, a beautiful little girl full of promise reduced to a trash bag of bones that it is beyond your power to bury. Walking on eggshells living with a wife who is in complete denial and intends to stay there; a son who may also be facing indictment for who-knows-what. Thinking you're going to have to testify at trial and your answers are probably going to help convict your own daughter. I'd be mentally exhausted and who knows what might start to look like the "right" or "easy" thing to do.


Exactly......

[cassidy]

Speaking of Lee, I'm curious to know what folks on the board think is going on with Lee (i.e. where he stands on everything, what he thinks at this point). I really don't know what to think of Lee...

I think Casey spilled her gut to Lee. I think he would cover for her. he sets my hinky-meter way off the scale. But that's just my opinion of him.

[Dells]

Here is also a picture of " Win Her Over with Chloroform"

Picture of Man and Woman Picture posted by Ricardo Morales on his Myspace (http://www.imagepoop.com/image/1304/Win-Her-Over-With-Chloroform.html)

Ick.:scared: That is truly disturbing...

[PuffDragon]

I think it's a good thing George will be staying in the hospital. Not only will he receive treatment but also perhaps he'll come to his senses without Cindy's constant presence. Maybe we'll see a more forthright George. His absence may also be therapeutic for Cindy, too.

I agree. At the moment Cindy has a shortage of people to work her will on. It seems that Lee still has a job he goes to all day and the ability to remove himself from her presence when he's had enough.

[Motomom]

Hmm, I wonder if lee wiped out all his communications with casey? Perhaps that was the proof he knew about Caylee long before he said he did. Surely he was smart enough to know that LE could retreive that info tho, wasn't he?

I also don't think he wanted CA to call 911 that night. IIRC he said he believes he would have gotten the truth out of her, if he had more time. So he was delaying. Now what was he going to do if Casey told him the truth that night? Would he have called 911? or had his mother call 911? What would have happened?

[Dells]

I believe they do think this, however that should have been shattered when the 911 operator appeared not to know who Conway or the Anthony's were. She didn't even understand what they wanted in the beginning (which I would like to call priceless)

I agree! Perhaps they can use this 911 call to support not having to have a COV?:wink:

[VC2]

Yes, I truly believe that George was very bonded to Caylee...and it is so sad that he has not been able to grieve for her...I think that is why he decided to do what he did....He knows he will never have his family back the way it was, he knew Cindy was adament about anyone in the family goinf against Casey.....Hopefully they will set their priorities straight after this...and see that they need to salvage what is left of the family rather then destroying everyone..while Casey makes a life for herself in prison....I hope so anyway

I think one of the most helpful things for George is if he could talk to someone who has been in a womans prison for a few years to discover it is possible to make a life for yourself there. Unless you are considered extremely dangerous to guards/inmates most have a job, they can play cards, watch some tv, read books and make friendships. I tsure is no picnic but if he could see that caysee won't just be locked in a room for years and many of the cop jokes don't apply to the majority of inmates it might help him.

[psbperu]

I do believe that George and Cindy loved Caylee. It seems obvious to me in Cindy's Facebook plea. And George always sounded to me like a typical grandfather who adores his grandbaby but can't quite verbalize the feelings he has. As for Casey, sorry, I don't believe it for a second. Casey only loves Casey, she has shown absolutely no love for Caylee .... not even any like for Caylee.....as far as I've seen, but plenty of self-absorption.


ITA about the grandparents loving Caylee. It is obvious they not only provided that sweet, loving child (all you have to do is look at the video's) with not only the necessities of childhood but warmth & closeness.

Observing Caylee's room, the toys, the yard with the playhouse etc....one knows that the grandparents were very involved.

When I look at the video's & pictures of Caylee, tears me to bits to think of how this child may have suffered in the last moments of her life.
I believe it has torn Cindy apart too & that she is in an unenviable position as a mother & a grandmother.

What parent wants to believe that their daughter murdered their grandchild. It is no wonder that her interviews are fraught with inconsistencies.

[Barbara fl.]

I always thought that disability benefits could be retrieved if you were already working and something happened to prevent you from being able to work. Apparently, George hasn't been working since a couple of weeks after this whole saga started...he was a security guard who had just recently started and was let go, IIRC. I don't see how he would be entitled to any benefits for disability...unless you are talking about some sort of welfare program.

JMO


No, not welfare...disability....I know someone who is on it from a mental disorder....they are only 40 years old and haven't worked for the last 14 years....they have bipola disorder and paper work was filled out at the hospital when they were admitted for trying to commit suicide....It is NOT welfare...she did work during her lifetime and that was accumilated for her benifits.....she receives social security disability...AND she gets more then I do on plain social security....because they calculate it based on the amount you were paid for the time that you worked....I receive my deceased husbands SS because i'm not 65 yet...so I waiting for those 2 more years and I will receive more....

But yes, he can receive SSD....and it's not welfare related at all....

[Dells]

I agree. When Baez is asked by reporters what he has told Casey at different times he has alluded to "I tell her what I want her to know"
I don't think Casey really understands the magnitude of her crime. I don't think Baez is helping her comprehend what is at stake.
This has turned into Baez and what can you do for me!
I remember George and Cindy talking about they did not like Baez. If I were George and Cindy and really wanted to help Casey I would have tried to talk with Casey about getting a new attorney before Baez cut them off from seeing her.

I know, I couldn't believe when Baez said that he tells Casey only what he thinks she should know (or something along those lines). No doubt that is one of the reasons why Casey has to appear at all her court hearings from now on. Sometimes Baez seems to be his own worst enemy. Open mouth, insert foot.:tongueside:

[trt]

I think one of the most helpful things for George is if he could talk to someone who has been in a womans prison for a few years to discover it is possible to make a life for yourself there. Unless you are considered extremely dangerous to guards/inmates most have a job, they can play cards, watch some tv, read books and make friendships. I tsure is no picnic but if he could see that caylee won't just be locked in a room for years and many of the cop jokes don't apply to the majority of inmates it might help him.

Hi VC...George was LE for a number of years, so I would think that he knows a little about the prison system, female or otherwise.
JMO

[tybek]

I think one of the most helpful things for George is if he could talk to someone who has been in a womans prison for a few years to discover it is possible to make a life for yourself there. Unless you are considered extremely dangerous to guards/inmates most have a job, they can play cards, watch some tv, read books and make friendships. I tsure is no picnic but if he could see that caylee won't just be locked in a room for years and many of the cop jokes don't apply to the majority of inmates it might help him.

While I think it is very possible for folks to make a life in prison, I think Casey will have a hard time doing so. She will be viewed as a whining, spoiled baby killer who was afforded all life's advantages. I think she is the kind that other prisoners will love to hate. George was in LE (to some extent) so he may know this. JMO

[AnnInOhio]

*Bolding mine

A lot of people believe that formatting your hard drive erases it completely (it doesn't). I don't know about other OSes but you can't format a hard drive when a Windows OS is running, Windows protects itself from homicide (uh, computercide?). It would mess up the system though and probably made it unable to be booted up, at which point Lee might not have known what to do then and wouldn't have had time to do anything further so he ended up with 'the blue screen of death' and hoped it would be enough to cover Casey for whatever might have been on there.

I've had to do it before, and I'm not sure you can completely wipe out and reformat a computer in two hours, especially with nobody noticing. You'd have to have your software disks to reload, and it apparently "worked" when LE got it.

[Barbara fl.]

I think one of the most helpful things for George is if he could talk to someone who has been in a womans prison for a few years to discover it is possible to make a life for yourself there. Unless you are considered extremely dangerous to guards/inmates most have a job, they can play cards, watch some tv, read books and make friendships. I tsure is no picnic but if he could see that caylee won't just be locked in a room for years and many of the cop jokes don't apply to the majority of inmates it might help him.

That probably would help him alot....he will adjust to the situation...they will be able to visit with Casey as often as they want (if she is put nearby)...they can even ask the lawyers to put in for a prison nearby if available for her.....

Casey probably will blame her parents for being in prison (even though they had nothing to do with what she did) but she has to blame someone...and she will probably want to hurt them by not accepting their visits....but that they would have to deal with......

[Dells]

Although quite disgusting to post something like that on MySpace, I've seen worse. I honestly don't see how the defense can possibly pin this on anyone else. Even if, for the sake of discussion, Casey was introduced to chloroform through Ricardo, how can this prove that he was involved in anyway? Some may say her friends were "shady" but so what? Show me the evidence that any of them had anything to do with Caylee's murder. Au contraire, they were all shocked and in disbelief that Caylee was "missing".

The fact is that they can't pin this on anyone else. There is no evidence that anyone but Casey was responsible for this horrible crime. That won't stop the defense though. All of this trying to accuse someone else of this crime is just part of their smokes and mirrors. I don't think too many people are going to fall for it though. It definitely won't stop them from trying though. I am sure that it is just going to get worse and worse before trial.

[ishkabibble]

Remember when she was out and she and Lee went out to sit in his vehicle alone for some time talking? Probably lots of info exchanged then.

They did have a lot of time to talk, but I don't really believe Casey told Lee much, remember in the Aug 14 visit with George and Cindy Casey complained that all Lee did on his visits was ask her questions. I think Lee was seriously trying to help find Caylee and as he used the info Casey gave him and found out it was all BS he pressured her more and more. Lee may have info that he has not told the police for whatever reason, probably misguided loyalty to his sister, but I think he discovered whatever it is on his own. I really doubt he is in league with his sister, just as I said misguidedly loyal to her.

[Roux]

Disability is NOT welfare....we pay for disability....just like we pay for our social security.....we had to have worked to be entitled to it....If you become unable to work due to mental or health problems, you can receive your benefits...

I really do not see the fun in all of this.....it is all very tragic....

It is not very easy to get disability. My sister, a nurse, had a double hip replacement and it took her over 2 years to receive approval from SS administration. I've read that the backlog of cases up for approval is greater in some areas.

[Motomom]

While I think it is very possible for folks to make a life in prison, I think Casey will have a hard time doing so. She will be viewed as a whining, spoiled baby killer who was afforded all life's advantages. I think she is the kind that other prisoners will love to hate. George was in LE (to some extent) so he may know this. JMO

I think just the opposite. I think it will be a rough start, like you have stated, but after a couple years, she is going to fit right in. It becomes home and you make it what you make it IMO.

[Snoopy50]

Hi VC...George was LE for a number of years, so I would think that he knows a little about the prison system, female or otherwise.
JMO

You're right, he would know, and while no one wants to see their child locked away that way, Casey deserves to be. Period.

[Daffodil]

I wonder if they had Conway call 911 so that later they can't claim police misconduct or something like that. They want to make sure they do everything by the book w/this family or else it is going to come back and bite them in the butt later on.

And if it was a ploy, Cindy has removed herself from making a false report since it was BC that made the call and reported George missing and possible danger to himself.

[Dells]

I don't know about George actually being a diversion. I am still on the fence about what his intentions were the other day but, I think when Baez called the PC the afternoon the doc were releashed and just talked about himself That was a diversion. A Total Waste jmo

Oh, I agree. That press conference was all about him, wasn't it? The TH's on Prime News even talked about it and got a good laugh about it. They kept saying 'Jose, it is not about you'.

[tybek]

I think just the opposite. I think it will be a rough start, like you have stated, but after a couple years, she is going to fit right in. It becomes home and you make it what you make it IMO.

On that note, anyone know how Susan Smith is getting along?

[Dells]

I don't understand why Conway took it upon himself to discuss Lee Anthony with reporters. Lee, as far as I know, is not his client. He has his own attorney. Conway should've said he had no knowledge or no comment.

Now I wonder if Lee dumped his attorney and Conway is representing all 3?

I agree w/you. Conway should just stick to talking about his own clients. Lee has his own attorney and he can speak for him if the need should arise.

[Dells]

I agree that it was a total waste but it didn't stop the media from discussing the doc dump. IIRC, Mike Galanos (HLN) extended his coverage just so the discussion about the documents would continue.

With George, the focus was all on his suicide attempt and it was a pity party on all the talk shows. Except for Wendy Murphy who was on JVM who was honest about her feelings towards the family. Kudos to her for not letting this get in the way of justice for Caylee.

I agree. Kudos to Wendy Murphy. I love her perspective on this case.

[WillowInFlight]

I have a problem believing that George's latest situation isn't a staged ploy, but I do agree that had George wanted to work in recent YEARS, he could have. His lack of work ethics didn't begin in 2008, this has been an ongoing thing for years as evidenced by the emails released recently. IMO We were away this weekend, just catching up.

Good morning Snoopy, just catching up as well. I slept in so missed the interview, but I agree whole heartedly about Georges work ethics. Even Cindy's mom complained of it. I wonder if when his car dealership went belly up it didn't do something to his self esteem.

[ishkabibble]

ITA about the grandparents loving Caylee. It is obvious they not only provided that sweet, loving child (all you have to do is look at the video's) with not only the necessities of childhood but warmth & closeness.

Observing Caylee's room, the toys, the yard with the playhouse etc....one knows that the grandparents were very involved.

When I look at the video's & pictures of Caylee, tears me to bits to think of how this child may have suffered in the last moments of her life.
I believe it has torn Cindy apart too & that she is in an unenviable position as a mother & a grandmother.

What parent wants to believe that their daughter murdered their grandchild. It is no wonder that her interviews are fraught with inconsistencies.


In his LE interview George admitted that he had some misgivings about being a grandfather, I think mostly because of the circumstances (Casey being unmarried and concealing the pregnancy for so long)I do think he fell in love with Caylee as soon as she was born and loved being a grand-pa. Perhaps he is feeling an extra bit of guilt now because of his initial reluctance to being a grandfather.

[Dells]

aren't they suppose to wait 72 hrs to file for a missing persons report? That's what I don't get. Why did Geo get special treatment?

I think they went looking for him right away because of his disturbing text messages. They thought that he would try to do harm to himself.

[desmom]

Lets hope it happens. I do think George is conflicted and part of him wants to face the truth. I think he has been that way from the start.

I agree.

George told LE when they searched the backyard back in July (16th or 17th), they (G & C) had already searched the sheds and under the playhouse.

George called Yuri on July 24 and wanted to meet with him and Sgt Allen away from Cindy. He apologized for Cindy's behavior and according to LE's report "George acknowledged that if they had lost their granddaughter, they had also lost their daughter." (page 2293 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810979/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-001 )

If George or Cindy were to tell the media they feel Casey was involved in Caylee's death, how would the public react? Would it taint the jury pool? Would people have the attitude of if her own parents believe she was involved so should we?

I wish George and Cindy would have learned to say No Comment instead of the blah, blah, blah we listened to for 5 months.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I think after she gives her flirty smile to Jose, she will put her own DVD in her mind and watch her own movie.
jmo

ITA, I can honestly say I have done that a time or two, but not because I murdered a child.

[Dells]

If I recall they have not released Annie's, Mark H or Jp Chatts. Interesting :huh:

There is probably some very compelling evidence in them that implicates Casey. Can't wait to hear what is in them, but we will most likely have to wait for the trial.

[WillowInFlight]

I think they went looking for him right away because of his disturbing text messages. They thought that he would try to do harm to himself.

IIRC didn't LE say that found him just in time?

[Barbara fl.]

It is not very easy to get disability. My sister, a nurse, had a double hip replacement and it took her over 2 years to receive approval from SS administration. I've read that the backlog of cases up for approval is greater in some areas.


She needs to check further into that....when my husband came down with cancer...it took 5 months for him to receive his disability benefits, however...it works a little different for permanent to temporary disabilities...it is usually takes longer to start getting it when it is permanent....


In States that have "state disability" it is alot easier...because the state gives the temperory disb...That is when you take sick while working.....but Florida doesn't have a state disability...therefore it would have to go thru the government.....How long it would take, I'm not sure...but 2 years is rediculous and she needs to check into that further....

Everyone receives a social security benefit sheet each year, it tells you on there how much you would be entitled to if you were to become disabled......I would check into it for her.....

[*MoonRider*]

OMG, that just made my heart drop!!!:ohmy: I didn't see that:crying:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/HighFive.jpg

[VC2]

I myself (my opinion)

This suicide event was planned to get media attention...
Come on! He "went missing" for less than 24 hours...
Guess they forgot about the "ping" on the cell phone inquiries
they know to do...
They must have thought, we have to report this right away to let them know our George was behaving strange before he left the house.
The Pizza, beer and other yum yums were ordered because George himself didn't think they would locate him in less than an HOUR...
MOO...

ridiculous imo.

i guess Chitwood and the doctors have all entered into the conspiracy too?Chitwood said that he has no doubt it was a serious attempt, and cops see many from staged to get out of trouble to serious. The doctors are keeping him in hospital even though they with all their experience know he is fine?

I find it shocking that he has not broken before this. Tell me how you would do iwth the murder of your beloved granddaughter, and the culpability of your beloved daughter? Let alone trying to believe she was not responsible because that is almost to much to bear. Add on the stress of hoping for months she was alive to finally getting that last little shred of hope ripped from you. People used to think the hornbecks were crazy for continuing to insist Shawn was alive for years, but it was the only shred of hope they had. Elizabeth smarts parents always believed she was alive. In both those cases miracles occured but so many parents of missing kids keep that shred of hope and buckle when its gone. Even more so when accepting it means its likely your daughter did it.

There was every reason for George to break and give up and no reason for him not to. Plus as i said now doctors and police would have to be involved. Perhaps fool them for 24 hours but not longer.

[Snoopy50]

Good morning Snoopy, just catching up as well. I slept in so missed the interview, but I agree whole heartedly about Georges work ethics. Even Cindy's mom complained of it. I wonder if when his car dealership went belly up it didn't do something to his self esteem.
Good morning Willow!
My gut feeling is that George "alerted" too many people to his "plan" and based on what I know, I do not believe for one second that he planned to kill himself. This family is under some serious scrutiny and I truly suspect that this is a way to gain some sympathy. I have ZERO respect for GA, if that makes me appear heartless, so be it, but this case is about CAYLEE, and the only reason we all know so much about this family's obvious dysfuntion is because they keep showing us all about it!:angry:

[WillowInFlight]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/HighFive.jpg

That picture always gave me the creeps, I want to know what is up with that.

[daHawg]

IIRC didn't LE say that found him just in time?

No, that would be Conway who said that....:wink:

[Barbara fl.]

While I think it is very possible for folks to make a life in prison, I think Casey will have a hard time doing so. She will be viewed as a whining, spoiled baby killer who was afforded all life's advantages. I think she is the kind that other prisoners will love to hate. George was in LE (to some extent) so he may know this. JMO


I agree...she will not be liked very much...but she will eventually adjust......being caged is going to kill her....she wants to party and go clubbing and have 3 boyfriends at one time....that's all over now.....toooooo bad

[tybek]

I agree...she will not be liked very much...but she will eventually adjust......being caged is going to kill her....she wants to party and go clubbing and have 3 boyfriends at one time....that's all over now.....toooooo bad

I just read that 2 male guards were fired for having sex with Susan Smith so I guess there is a possibility ...

[Dells]

Dang, he's really milking this isn't he?

Yes, he sure is making the rounds. If he wants the media spotlight off of his clients, then he should stop going on the talk shows.:unsure: That would sure be a good start.

[WillowInFlight]

Good morning Willow!
My gut feeling is that George "alerted" too many people to his "plan" and based on what I know, I do not believe for one second that he planned to kill himself. This family is under some serious scrutiny and I truly suspect that this is a way to gain some sympathy. I have ZERO respect for GA, if that makes me appear heartless, so be it, but this case is about CAYLEE, and the only reason we all know so much about this family's obvious dysfuntion is because they keep showing us all about it!:angry:

ITA, I said early on that morning that my hinky meter went off. I was hoping in some warped way, it was a way to get away from Cindy so he could clear his conscience. I was wrong.
Some were appalled that Cindy was mad, I can't say I blame her, all George has done was put the focus right back on them with this stunt. I think George knows whats coming down the pipeline, I think he knows that that families closets are going to be open, and this was a stunt to gain sympathy, I also think it was a stunt that backfired big time.

[WillowInFlight]

No, that would be Conway who said that....:wink:

Thanks doll, I knew I heard it from someone. So if it came from Conway there may or may not be truth to it.

[Snoopy50]

I just read that 2 male guards were fired for having sex with Susan Smith so I guess there is a possibility ...
Well, I have always believed in that "where there is a will there is a way" theory. Knowing how Casey likes her men, this would not surprise me.:glare:

[trt]

ridiculous imo.

i guess Chitwood and the doctors have all entered into the conspiracy too?Chitwood said that he has no doubt it was a serious attempt, and cops see many from staged to get out of trouble to serious. The doctors are keeping him in hospital even though they with all their experience know he is fine?

I find it shocking that he has not broken before this. Tell me how you would do iwth the murder of your beloved granddaughter, and the culpability of your beloved daughter? Let alone trying to believe she was not responsible because that is almost to much to bear. Add on the stress of hoping for months she was alive to finally getting that last little shred of hope ripped from you. People used to think the hornbecks were crazy for continuing to insist Shawn was alive for years, but it was the only shred of hope they had. Elizabeth smarts parents always believed she was alive. In both those cases miracles occured but so many parents of missing kids keep that shred of hope and buckle when its gone. Even more so when accepting it means its likely your daughter did it.

There was every reason for George to break and give up and no reason for him not to. Plus as i said now doctors and police would have to be involved. Perhaps fool them for 24 hours but not longer.


They don't necessarily have to be *in on it*. They are doing their job taking this seriously and he did send out messages that would indicate that he might have been serious. I'm still not sure what to think of it, but my *gut* tells me that George was not really trying to take his life that day. But just saying that you don't think George was going to kill himself does not implicate LE or hospital staff as being implicit. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Nancy Grace will be on the View. Coming up. Showed pix of Caylee.

I can't stomach 5 women trying to talk over each other, put I tuned it on. LOL

[Snoopy50]

ITA, I said early on that morning that my hinky meter went off. I was hoping in some warped way, it was a way to get away from Cindy so he could clear his conscience. I was wrong.
Some were appalled that Cindy was mad, I can't say I blame her, all George has done was put the focus right back on them with this stunt. I think George knows whats coming down the pipeline, I think he knows that that families closets are going to be open, and this was a stunt to gain sympathy, I also think it was a stunt that backfired big time.

Willow, you and I do not agree on our politics, but we do agree on this case. We saw it on the TV Saturday morning, and my husband said, What a loser! My first thought was oh boy, these people know they have trouble coming down the pike, so more drama.

[TomSawyer]

I think that's her cover. She's good at covering. I did however see a flash of shock for just one second in her eyes when the state said they were testing the tape for fingerprints. I think Baez has been lying to her and keeping her in the dark to keep her from pleading out and the judge suspects that. Hence the ruling that she has to attend the hearings so she knows what's against her.

Very interesting. I hope you are correct in that she does decide to make a plea deal or tell the truth to someone, anyone! Smart post.:biggrin:

[cassidy]

Thanks doll, I knew I heard it from someone. So if it came from Conway there may or may not be truth to it.

We only have Cindy and Conway's word on the wording of the txt msgs too. LE acted on what they were told by those 2.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

That picture always gave me the creeps, I want to know what is up with that.

Morning all. Honestly, I don't think there's much up with that. Guess I'm going to be on the Casey did it alone "thing" today. LOL. I waffle all the time. The Libra in me I guess.

Praying for George. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Willow, you and I do not agree on our politics, but we do agree on this case. We saw it on the TV Saturday morning, and my husband said, What a loser! My first thought was oh boy, these people know they have trouble coming down the pike, so more drama.

I thought it odd that if he was serious about doing the deed he was going to go on a full stomach, I was like WTH does that?

[desmom]

Good morning Willow!
My gut feeling is that George "alerted" too many people to his "plan" and based on what I know, I do not believe for one second that he planned to kill himself. This family is under some serious scrutiny and I truly suspect that this is a way to gain some sympathy. I have ZERO respect for GA, if that makes me appear heartless, so be it, but this case is about CAYLEE, and the only reason we all know so much about this family's obvious dysfuntion is because they keep showing us all about it!:angry:

I believe he changed his mind.

I ran on a couple possible suicide attempt calls where the victim changed their mind and called out for help. I think you will find the same thing if you talk to anyone that works with an ambulance service, is an EMT/paramedic or a nurse in the mental health field. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Nancy Grace will be on the View. Coming up. Showed pix of Caylee.

Thank you done, Blago is on too....... :thumbdown:

[WillowInFlight]

Morning all. Honestly, I don't think there's much up with that. Guess I'm going to be on the Casey did it alone "thing" today. LOL. I waffle all the time. The Libra in me I guess.

Praying for George. JMO.

My husband is a Libra so you can't blame that. And yesterday you were DEMANDING to know where the proof was that Casey killed her child. Nope has nothing to with being a Libra. LOL

[cassidy]

Morning all. Honestly, I don't think there's much up with that. Guess I'm going to be on the Casey did it alone "thing" today. LOL. I waffle all the time. The Libra in me I guess.

Praying for George. JMO.

Oh I think Casey ened Caylee's life all on her own. It's what happened after that I question. I have a hard time thinking that the grandparents helped her hide the body or anything like that. But I do think they helped her covering up all that she did.

JMO

[Beach~Tenant]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/HighFive.jpg


LOOK A THAT FACE:cursing: Not a stitch of remorse,guilt, care OR ANYthing! Thanks Moonrider...seeing is actually believing :sad:

[Neffy]

They don't necessarily have to be *in on it*. They are doing their job taking this seriously and he did send out messages that would indicate that he might have been serious. I'm still not sure what to think of it, but my *gut* tells me that George was not really trying to take his life that day. But just saying that you don't think George was going to kill himself does not implicate LE or hospital staff as being implicit. JMO

Conway just called in what "CINDY" told him. Conway was supposed to be at the house for a 4pm meeting. He was late and got there about 4:30. They had their meeting and "realized " they were finishing up and George was still not there :confused:. Right off the bat Conway states George wasn't seen since 8:30am . Turns out to be 10:30 That was false but hey what's a few hours (To Cindy anyways). Cindy is also the one that "claimed" 2 week supply of meds. :shrug: no labels when recoved by LE whose to know what and how much was in there. Cindy is also the one to have claimed "pics were missing and it was Cindy, Caylee and Casey" what from the photo album? Off a wall?

hmmm

[Mimi428]

IMO no judge would release the remains if the defense said they were not done testing it. And if so what a way to get a new trial, not able to get proper testing. I think it is awful the way Caylee is being treated and I also think that is why George is having the time he is dealing with it.

What a way to get NO conviction, if the body is literally taken away from the defense before they perform the testing they want.

I can appreciate the agony surrounding the idea that the baby isn't properly buried yet, but that still isn't enough reason to screw up the successful prosecution of the murderer.

JMO

[VC2]

I think it's a good thing George will be staying in the hospital. Not only will he receive treatment but also perhaps he'll come to his senses without Cindy's constant presence. Maybe we'll see a more forthright George. His absence may also be therapeutic for Cindy, too.

I wonder how she is doing. For the first time she is all alone in the house, with her memories of caylee and caysee. Lee is out of town until february (and i cant fault him for that, he has to work especially with a baby coming), and george in hospital.

I have a feeling she is not as strong as people think, its one thing when she can do things to feel in control but right now she is on her own. She is probably conflicted about George's state right now too.

imo