Monday January 26, 2009

[ishkabibble]

I was surprised to hear Casey say "she knew" about the run in George had with the media (let alone laugh about it) but what really surprised me was hearing about the Chili and supposed party on Caylee's birthday. I don't recall that being in the media what so ever until the jail house visit brought it out. How to this get back to Casey? Lee, Cindy, Lee, Mallory there plus one lonely stranger. Who talked?

Yes that was very strange, unless Jose knew and blabbed, I would think that was the only way, since there no records of any other visitors. Stranger still is that someone told her about George's run in with the press and she had been asleep at that time. She told her parents that she had fallen asleep and that was why her eyes were red. I wonder if she gave Jose a quick call before she went to see them.
since he had discouraged her from seeing them at all and he gave her a heads up.(wasn't he in NY that day?)

[WillowInFlight]

Thank you done, Blago is on too....... :thumbdown:

Another one that should crawl under a rock and keep his mouth shut. What up with all these people trying to try their case through the media?

[Dunlurken]

They don't necessarily have to be *in on it*. They are doing their job taking this seriously and he did send out messages that would indicate that he might have been serious. I'm still not sure what to think of it, but my *gut* tells me that George was not really trying to take his life that day. But just saying that you don't think George was going to kill himself does not implicate LE or hospital staff as being implicit. JMO

Obviously the doctors are concerned for George's well being or they would have let him out by now. The Backer Act only lasts for 72 hours. That time is over or will be later this evening.

Why would he go home? Where can he go to feel safe? If someone is truly suicidal, which I think he might have been, can't say for sure cause I'm not a shrink, but he needs to stay in a safe place. JMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I agree.

George told LE when they searched the backyard back in July (16th or 17th), they (G & C) had already searched the sheds and under the playhouse.

George called Yuri on July 24 and wanted to meet with him and Sgt Allen away from Cindy. He apologized for Cindy's behavior and according to LE's report "George acknowledged that if they had lost their granddaughter, they had also lost their daughter." (page 2293 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2810979/Casey-Anthony-Documents-Released-Nov-26-001 )

If George or Cindy were to tell the media they feel Casey was involved in Caylee's death, how would the public react? Would it taint the jury pool? Would people have the attitude of if her own parents believe she was involved so should we?

I wish George and Cindy would have learned to say No Comment instead of the blah, blah, blah we listened to for 5 months.

jmo

Apparently No Comment is not in Chitwood's vocabulary, either.
jmo

[cassidy]

I believe he changed his mind.

I ran on a couple possible suicide attempt calls where the victim changed their mind and called out for help. I think you will find the same thing if you talk to anyone that works with an ambulance service, is an EMT/paramedic or a nurse in the mental health field. jmo

I believe he changed his mind too. Changed from running away from home to suicide attempt when the thought was placed in his mind by his wife and attorney.

[trt]

What a way to get NO conviction, if the body is literally taken away from the defense before they perform the testing they want.

I can appreciate the agony surrounding the idea that the baby isn't properly buried yet, but that still isn't enough reason to screw up the successful prosecution of the murderer.

JMO

Baez had stated weeks ago that the testing on the body was complete. So what gives? JMO

[Dunlurken]

What a way to get NO conviction, if the body is literally taken away from the defense before they perform the testing they want.

I can appreciate the agony surrounding the idea that the baby isn't properly buried yet, but that still isn't enough reason to screw up the successful prosecution of the murderer.

JMO
You can thank Baez for the fact that Caylee isn't properly buried yet. Whatever that means. Her spirit is soaring. Nothing left but bones. I never understood the need to "bury" someone. My FIL donated his body to Emory University in GA. No service, nothing. Do I have nightmares about him? You bet your azz I do.

[bchand]

That picture always gave me the creeps, I want to know what is up with that.



At the time, my thought on that photo was that they had just fired or gotten rid of the big husky security guards who used to escort queenie everywhere and that they were just soooooo proud that little ole Lee managed to get her inside that building without being..... what? I don't know.

[trt]

Obviously the doctors are concerned for George's well being or they would have let him out by now. The Backer Act only lasts for 72 hours. That time is over or will be later this evening.

Why would he go home? Where can he go to feel safe? If someone is truly suicidal, which I think he might have been, can't say for sure cause I'm not a shrink, but he needs to stay in a safe place. JMO.

Again, my opinion that this was not a *real* suicide attempt has nothing to do with whether or not the police/hospital staff are doing their job. When someone talks about suicide, you have to take it seriously and that's what the doctors/LE is doing. But what else would they have to go by, other than his own statements to determine his state of mind? The point is, I don't put it past this couple to do something like this to take the focus off of the document dump. We've seen it in this case before.

Also, after Baker Act, can't one voluntarily commit themselves if they think they need it? So does it necessarily mean that the hospital is keeping him if he stays past 72 hours?

JMO

[ishkabibble]

I wonder how she is doing. For the first time she is all alone in the house, with her memories of caylee and caysee. Lee is out of town until february (and i cant fault him for that, he has to work especially with a baby coming), and george in hospital.

I have a feeling she is not as strong as people think, its one thing when she can do things to feel in control but right now she is on her own. She is probably conflicted about George's state right now too.

imo

I think her attorney will spend a lot of time with her. He really seems like a very caring person. He was very emotional over George's little adventure. He tried to be diplomatic about the delay over funeral plans for Caylee, but I think he is frustrated and angered over it. I think he is seeing a different side of George and Cindy than NeJame did, perhaps more sympathetic. Especially since Caylee was found.

[Snoopy50]

I believe he changed his mind too. Changed from running away from home to suicide attempt when the thought was placed in his mind by his wife and attorney.

Good post. IMO

[Neffy]

Yes that was very strange, unless Jose knew and blabbed, I would think that was the only way, since there no records of any other visitors. Stranger still is that someone told her about George's run in with the press and she had been asleep at that time. She told her parents that she had fallen asleep and that was why her eyes were red. I wonder if she gave Jose a quick call before she went to see them.
since he had discouraged her from seeing them at all and he gave her a heads up.(wasn't he in NY that day?)

That's right she did just wake up. Well in all fairness George has had more then one run in and Cindy didn't make it clear about it happening on the way into see Casey.

I'm just wondering just how many people were at that house. Did they just not to tell Casey there were more? Still this wasn't released to the press so who's the mole?

[WillowInFlight]

At the time, my thought on that photo was that they had just fired or gotten rid of the big husky security guards who used to escort queenie everywhere and that they were just soooooo proud that little ole Lee managed to get her inside that building without being..... what? I don't know.

You could be right, they sure were proud of something.

[Regina.Lampert]

Baez had stated weeks ago that the testing on the body was complete. So what gives? JMO

Hiya T. IIRC, the latest baez whine on this is that they are awaiting results from the FBI and won't release the remains until they get them, because they may need to run other tests.

If that is even remotely true, why not just save a bone big enough for testing and release the rest so that cynthia and george can bury this baby and attempt to heal?

[MGM111]

That picture always gave me the creeps, I want to know what is up with that.

There was nothing too creepy about this..perhaps a bit inappropriate though.

LA and CA were trying to enter the station through a very large gathering of reporters...they were hi-fiving eachother that they made it into the building without any problems..thats all this was...imo

[happygert]

ITA, I said early on that morning that my hinky meter went off. I was hoping in some warped way, it was a way to get away from Cindy so he could clear his conscience. I was wrong.
Some were appalled that Cindy was mad, I can't say I blame her, all George has done was put the focus right back on them with this stunt. I think George knows whats coming down the pipeline, I think he knows that that families closets are going to be open, and this was a stunt to gain sympathy, I also think it was a stunt that backfired big time.

cindy being mad ..:rolleyes: IMO she was in on the plan..Heck If my hubby was gone all day... I sure wouldn't go check and see if my pictures were all here and I wouldn't check his meds out...Did she check his closets? Did she check and see if his razor, deodorant etc was there... nope she ran to check pictures and his meds. Did she dial 911 oops no better have conway call.. What was conway doing there still at 11:30 12 O clock at night . How many lawyers are out in clients home at that time of night... It must be a thing in FL baez with casey at that time of night on same night...IMO he was there just in case casey heard it on her radio......OMG what a set up staged event...

I have no sympathy for any of the A's...It's time they all started thinking about Caylee being put to rest! Caylee's needs has always been put last imo... This is one drama queen family...They all want to be front and center....Well Its about time they PUT CAYLEE front and center!

[kitty1182]

Hiya T. IIRC, the latest baez whine on this is that they are awaiting results from the FBI and won't release the remains until they get them, because they may need to run other tests.

If that is even remotely true, why not just save a bone big enough for testing and release the rest so that cynthia and george can bury this baby and attempt to heal?


I agree........

[ishkabibble]

At the time, my thought on that photo was that they had just fired or gotten rid of the big husky security guards who used to escort queenie everywhere and that they were just soooooo proud that little ole Lee managed to get her inside that building without being..... what? I don't know.

we can't see Lee's face so I don't want to pass too much judgement on him, he may have just been reacting to Casey. There were times on his visit with her in jail that I thought he seemed very frustrated with her answers and lack assistance and also with the results of his checking on her prior information that turned out to be BS.

[Cury-us Coyote]

George Anthony To Remain Hospitalized Monday
George Anthony, the father of Casey Anthony, won't be released from a Daytona Beach hospital Monday, but attorney Brad Conway told Eyewitness News that it's possible George will be released this week. Halifax Medical Center confirmed George would remain hospitalized Monday.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18562788/detail.html

[Snoopy50]

cindy being mad ..:rolleyes: IMO she was in on the plan..Heck If my hubby was gone all day... I sure wouldn't go check and see if my pictures were all here and I wouldn't check his meds out...Did she check his closets? Did she check and see if his razor, deodorant etc was there... nope she ran to check pictures and his meds. Did she dial 911 oops no better have conway call.. What was conway doing there still at 11:30 12 O clock at night . How many lawyers are out in clients home at that time of night... It must be a thing in FL baez with casey at that time of night on same night...IMO he was there just in case casey heard it on her radio......OMG what a set up staged event...

I have no sympathy for any of the A's...It's time they all started thinking about Caylee being put to rest! Caylee's needs has always been put last imo... This is one drama queen family...They all want to be front and center....Well Its about time they PUT CAYLEE front and center!

Excellent points Gert. I had not thought of all these, good job.

[Elle]

I wonder how she is doing. For the first time she is all alone in the house, with her memories of caylee and caysee. Lee is out of town until february (and i cant fault him for that, he has to work especially with a baby coming), and george in hospital.

I have a feeling she is not as strong as people think, its one thing when she can do things to feel in control but right now she is on her own. She is probably conflicted about George's state right now too.

imo

Re. Mallory
Is it confirmed that she is pregnant? It seems to be something that has been speculated on, for quite a while, but I do not remember this as being a fact.

tia

[happygert]

Well, I have always believed in that "where there is a will there is a way" theory. Knowing how Casey likes her men, this would not surprise me.:glare:

Im sure she'll adjust..

[WillowInFlight]

Re. Mallory
Is it confirmed that she is pregnant? It seems to be something that has been speculated on, for quite a while, but I do not remember this as being a fact.

tia

She didn't look pregnant from the pictures that were taken the day Caylee was found.

[ishkabibble]

That's right she did just wake up. Well in all fairness George has had more then one run in and Cindy didn't make it clear about it happening on the way into see Casey.

I'm just wondering just how many people were at that house. Did they just not to tell Casey there were more? Still this wasn't released to the press so who's the mole?

my guess is Jose, I think he had streaming video on all day on his laptop and gave her a synopsis (with his particular spin) each time he saw her and I think it was almost daily at that time.

[WillowInFlight]

Im sure she'll adjust..

I think so too.

[Leanne Weich]

no, it can take less than 24 hours, been there. It is why people are often released in less than 72 hours. You are not rational when you want to die, its a different state of mind and sometimes all it takes is a little time. I have a golden rule, no matter how much i think i want to end it all wait until the next day. Normally in the morning i find the will to keep going. In some people though they can get that far and no further, still in the depths of serious depression. In fact its why anti depressants warn that some poeple will feel suicidal after they start taking them, if you are too depressed then you don't even have the motivation to kill yourself and there is a dangerous period where you are still depressed but now have more motivation to get up and do something.

In geoge's case i doubt he has completely though, his burdens are immense. That he has not been released over the weekend tells me that the docs see that he needs more treatment too.

He could also be under pressure from Cindy to get home and could be BSing that he's seen the error of his ways and was acting in a moment of weakness. I do, however, agree that the fact he hasn't been released indicates he was in a suicidal frame of mind. If it was all an act, the psychiatrist would have picked up on it and he would likely have been released by now.

[trt]

Hiya T. IIRC, the latest baez whine on this is that they are awaiting results from the FBI and won't release the remains until they get them, because they may need to run other tests.

If that is even remotely true, why not just save a bone big enough for testing and release the rest so that cynthia and george can bury this baby and attempt to heal?

Morning Reg!!! (I haven't forgotten!! :)

You are right, that doesn't make any sense. They could save what they needed for any additional testing and let the remains of this baby be put to rest by her grandparents. It doesn't seem that any of them are in a hurry though. JMO

[Snoopy50]

He could also be under pressure from Cindy to get home and could be BSing that he's seen the error of his ways and was acting in a moment of weakness. I do, however, agree that the fact he hasn't been released indicates he was in a suicidal frame of mind. If it was all an act, the psychiatrist would have picked up on it and he would likely have been released by now.
Do you think the possibility exists that they are treating him for all his other issues instead? Compulsive gambling and the like?

[Elle]

She didn't look pregnant from the pictures that were taken the day Caylee was found.

I didn't think so either.

[court~critic1®]

cindy being mad ..:rolleyes: IMO she was in on the plan..Heck If my hubby was gone all day... I sure wouldn't go check and see if my pictures were all here and I wouldn't check his meds out...Did she check his closets? Did she check and see if his razor, deodorant etc was there... nope she ran to check pictures and his meds. Did she dial 911 oops no better have conway call.. What was conway doing there still at 11:30 12 O clock at night . How many lawyers are out in clients home at that time of night... It must be a thing in FL baez with casey at that time of night on same night...IMO he was there just in case casey heard it on her radio......OMG what a set up staged event...

I have no sympathy for any of the A's...It's time they all started thinking about Caylee being put to rest! Caylee's needs has always been put last imo... This is one drama queen family...They all want to be front and center....Well Its about time they PUT CAYLEE front and center!


Very well stated gert......these are some of the reasons why I have always thought it was a put up job, a hoax.



I have also always believed that Lee is just a male image of Cassy. They both are alike in actions and deeds. No wonder they can "code talk".

[Gaelic-Lass]

I think it was around the time they were requesting hair samples.

IMHO, he would have to get rid of a lot more than the hair on his head to avoid DNA. My DD just finalized total custody on her sons from their dad by drug testing. The smartie shaved almost every conceivable place they could get a hair sample from, :scared:, but the dodo forgot to shave his calves. They got him there and he lost all custody. Wouldn't it be the same for what they wanted to test Lee for?

[playnice]

I think Caylees remains laying there is as simple as Casey is being a spiteful B. She is enjoying torturing G&C.
jmo

[~layla~]

Willow, you and I do not agree on our politics, but we do agree on this case. We saw it on the TV Saturday morning, and my husband said, What a loser! My first thought was oh boy, these people know they have trouble coming down the pike, so more drama.

I hope we get to see the 5 page craptastic verbage coming from Geo. Although Im guessing that was put together prior to or just a bunch of words that make no sense. :glare:

[ishkabibble]

He could also be under pressure from Cindy to get home and could be BSing that he's seen the error of his ways and was acting in a moment of weakness. I do, however, agree that the fact he hasn't been released indicates he was in a suicidal frame of mind. If it was all an act, the psychiatrist would have picked up on it and he would likely have been released by now.

I think he needs a break. Cindy is probably on the computer all day relaying every bit of news she reads to him and he is unable to escape it. the atmosphere in that home must be nearly intolerable. If it were me I would get out of Dodge. Let Conway handle their affairs, take their dogs and get away from Hope Spring Drive.

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning Reg!!! (I haven't forgotten!! :)

You are right, that doesn't make any sense. They could save what they needed for any additional testing and let the remains of this baby be put to rest by her grandparents. It doesn't seem that any of them are in a hurry though. JMO

I still believe there is an outside chance that casey anthony is refusing to release the remains in order to spite and hurt her parents, once again.

I knew you wouldn't forget, you are one busy woman T. Take your time, I want a FULL report. lol. :smile:

[Elle]

He could also be under pressure from Cindy to get home and could be BSing that he's seen the error of his ways and was acting in a moment of weakness. I do, however, agree that the fact he hasn't been released indicates he was in a suicidal frame of mind. If it was all an act, the psychiatrist would have picked up on it and he would likely have been released by now.


I have a family member who successfully fooled her doctors and was hospitlized for 8 days. I am NOT saying that is what happened here, just that it can be done. On the flip side, I know of someone who committed suicide that nobody took seriously.

[Dunlurken]

.Heck If my hubby was gone all day... I sure wouldn't go check and see if my pictures were all here and I wouldn't check his meds out...

Snipped to address: Is your grand daughter's remains sitting in a card board box?

Don't judge someone until you walk in their shoes. Hopefully none of us here will ever experience such a living nightmare. JMO.

[VC2]

Do you think the possibility exists that they are treating him for all his other issues instead? Compulsive gambling and the like?

No. Not with this, this means severe depression imo:

George could have been released Monday morning, because the 72-hour required stay under Florida's Baker Act had expired. Conway said they are still waiting on doctors to confirm a treatment plan. That may include George being released to a treatment facility closer to his Orange County home.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18562788/detail.html

[kitty1182]

Snipped to address: Is your grand daughter's remains sitting in a card board box?

Don't judge someone until you walk in their shoes. Hopefully none of us here will ever experience such a living nightmare. JMO.



(pm check)

[Dells]

You are most deffinetly correct...they have to want the help...and they have to come to terms with what has happened.....I somehow believe that George is ready for this, but Cindy is another story...If she wants to continue the charade of "Casey is innocent", then for sure th eropy will not help....

I hope that George can seperate himself this and get the help that he needs...or this whole family is doomed...

And the sad part is that they are going thru all this pain for a person (Casey) that couldn't care less about them....Hopefully they will see this eventually before it's too late for all of them....The loss of Caylee is enough to put anyone over the edge, but they will get thru that in time.....it's the trial and the fact that their daughter is charged with the murder that has to be the very worst to go thru...

They really need outside help and I hope they go for it.......


And thru all of this, Casey is still not breaking....that alone should show this family that she is not worth it.....

Bolding is mine....

That is what really gets me w/this whole thing too. They are willing to lie and cover up for Casey, and yet she is the one that started this whole horrible tragedy. She has ruined this family, and yet they are all willing to go down for her. There is no doubt in my mind that if she and the defense think it would help her case, she will throw her entire family under the bus. I wonder if she even feels badly about what her father went through this w/e? This whole time she is sitting in jail feeling sorry for herself, and yet she can't see how deeply her actions have effected and ruined her entire family.

[Mimi428]

He would be entitled to government disability (SSD).....Florida does not have a state disabilty....but he would be entitled to government...all it would take is a Doctor's signature......stating that he is unable to work.

Uhhhh. NO.

It takes a heck of a lot more than a doctor's signature to get SSD. If Florida is at all like Texas, there are a lot of commercials during the daytime from attorneys appealing to folks to use their services to work on getting them their SSD benefits, because it is SO DIFFICULT.

JMO

[Dells]

While I know that's all we've seen of Casey, it's hard to believe she was ALWAYS like that. This is one reason I am looking forward to a trial and hearing and seeing people speak about CASEY THEN and CASEY NOW.

She baffles my mind. :cursing: How can she completely distance herself from a child she brought into this world????

Yes, can't wait for that trial!:thumbsup: It will be all about Casey and what she did to beautiful little Caylee...:crying:

[~layla~]

Do you think the possibility exists that they are treating him for all his other issues instead? Compulsive gambling and the like?

Is he in the psych ward? I think he is in poor health to begin with.... smokes and drinks, I would think he would be treated for heart issues (including his HBP) and or liver troubles... maybe even lung/breathing problems.

[Mandysmom]

Does anyone know if LE requested a search warrant for lee anthony's phone records and phone?

Aslo, it was reported on NG or GVS that george was seen often pulling Caylee around the neighborhood in a wagon. I wonder if LE found that wagon anywhere?

Good morning Regina. I don't have an answer to your question about the search warrants, but I hadn't heard about George and the wagon.

Such a sad thing. I think George has always known he lost Caylee since the day he picked up the car and he knew who killed her.

I have flip flopped back and forth on my feelings but with George, I see him as a broken man who was controlled by Cindy and Casey.

I believe he loved little Caylee with all of his heart and this is killing him slowly. He wants to stop the lying and craziness, but he wants Cindy's approval at the same time.

I could be wrong about the whole thing, but I just feel that way.

:sad:

[Regina.Lampert]

IMHO, he would have to get rid of a lot more than the hair on his head to avoid DNA. My DD just finalized total custody on her sons from their dad by drug testing. The smartie shaved almost every conceivable place they could get a hair sample from, :scared:, but the dodo forgot to shave his calves. They got him there and he lost all custody. Wouldn't it be the same for what they wanted to test Lee for?

Oh yes, hair above and below the equator. Nancy is up on The View right now................... :chicken:

[Elle]

Is he in the psych ward? I think he is in poor health to begin with.... smokes and drinks, I would think he would be treated for heart issues (including his HBP) and or liver troubles... maybe even lung/breathing problems.

Smokes and drinks? Where are you getting that?

tia

[WillowInFlight]

Is he in the psych ward? I think he is in poor health to begin with.... smokes and drinks, I would think he would be treated for heart issues (including his HBP) and or liver troubles... maybe even lung/breathing problems.

George smokes?

[CC I See]

Lee knew what he has done? I agree. He deleted digital evidences on myspace account of Casey Anthony. He removed a lot of postings on that account before the story hits the media.

If you analyze the video of Lee questioning Casey in the jail about the whereabouts of Caylee - IMO - Lee knew what is Casey's talking about or if not he was able to decipher what Casey was trying to say in a later period and he didnt report it to LE. IMO - I think LE knew that he is the one talking to Dominic on the phone while Dominic was in the woods looking for Caylee's body.

IMO he'll be given an immunity if he'll testify against Casey Anthony or maybe he'll be charged as well.
... when Lee deleted files from Casey's computer which was the night Cindy found Casey at TonE apartment the information he had was that Caylee was not with Casey but was with the Nanny. If this is what he thought then why the panic to delete files on her computer? Why did he feel at that time that he should go into protection mode... he MUST have suspected something more sinister was happening to do this. If she were innocent why delete any files? I think he knew at that time that Caylee was dead and who was responsible and that is why he tried to tamper with evidence.

[happygert]

ridiculous imo.

i guess Chitwood and the doctors have all entered into the conspiracy too?Chitwood said that he has no doubt it was a serious attempt, and cops see many from staged to get out of trouble to serious. The doctors are keeping him in hospital even though they with all their experience know he is fine?

I find it shocking that he has not broken before this. Tell me how you would do iwth the murder of your beloved granddaughter, and the culpability of your beloved daughter? Let alone trying to believe she was not responsible because that is almost to much to bear. Add on the stress of hoping for months she was alive to finally getting that last little shred of hope ripped from you. People used to think the hornbecks were crazy for continuing to insist Shawn was alive for years, but it was the only shred of hope they had. Elizabeth smarts parents always believed she was alive. In both those cases miracles occured but so many parents of missing kids keep that shred of hope and buckle when its gone. Even more so when accepting it means its likely your daughter did it.

There was every reason for George to break and give up and no reason for him not to. Plus as i said now doctors and police would have to be involved. Perhaps fool them for 24 hours but not longer.

If GA was serious and "IF" GA would have taken anything Chitwood would have called the EMT'S They WOULD NOT TAKE THE CHANCE OF HIM DYING ON THEM TO MUCH LIABILITY!.. NO only thing GA would have had to say yes I want to commit suicide boom he's off to the padded cells..You dont take a knife ot a gun fight.. And you dont take burger, fries 12 pack of cold beer, order a pizza and EMPTY PILL BOTTLES to A SUICIDE!.. JUST ANOTHER SCAM for SYMPATHY! Sorry not buying what they are selling....NO SYMPATHY HERE!
IT was all a set up stage event to get the focus off thier MURDERING DAUGHTER! They wanted the reports about what their daughter done to their GRANDDAUGHTER stopped... WELL IT WORKED DIDN"T IT?
What will be next scam when the other reports come out?

[WillowInFlight]

... when Lee deleted those files which was the night Cindy found Casey at TonE apartment the information he had was that Caylee was not with Casey but was with the Nanny. If this is what he thought then why the panic to delete files on her computer? Why did he feel at that time that he should go into protection mode... he MUST have suspected something more sinister was happening to do this. If she were innocent why delete any files? I think he knew at that time that Caylee was dead and who was responsible and that is why he tried to tamper with evidence.

Thats what we have been asking from day one, I wonder if Casey told Lee something when they were alone in the garage.

[Regina.Lampert]

Whoopie just questioned Nancy if it could have been an accident? May God have mercy on her soul.............lol! :tongueside:

[sorjam]

Whether or not GA's attempt at suicide was sincere is not the issue that IMOO is important right now. He is likely being encouraged to entertain all possibilities in a "real" type scenario with the therapists who are sworn to keep confidential information to themselves. He certainly would not have left a suicide note "damning" Casey behind knowing it would hang her because that is his focus of fear and guilt coupled with his grief for Caylee's loss. He may have wanted to go be with Caylee sincerely because he isn't "allowed" to even acknowledge the reality that is becoming so clear to him at home. JMOO

[cassidy]

Good morning Regina. I don't have an answer to your question about the search warrants, but I hadn't heard about George and the wagon.

Such a sad thing. I think George has always known he lost Caylee since the day he picked up the car and he knew who killed her.

I have flip flopped back and forth on my feelings but with George, I see him as a broken man who was controlled by Cindy and Casey.

I believe he loved little Caylee with all of his heart and this is killing him slowly. He wants to stop the lying and craziness, but he wants Cindy's approval at the same time.

I could be wrong about the whole thing, but I just feel that way.

:sad:

Then George needs to stand up and do the right thing for the little girl he loved so much in life. Maybe his stay in the hospital with people to talk to will help him see that.

JMO

[Auburngirl]

Then George needs to stand up and do the right thing for the little girl he loved so much in life. Maybe his stay in the hospital with people to talk to will help him see that.

JMO

Excellent point Cassidy. It may be that a therapist/clinician/physician would encourage him to be truthful. Great point IMO!

[ishkabibble]

Whoopie just questioned Nancy if it could have been an accident? May God have mercy on her soul.............lol! :tongueside:

I've noticed since the revelation of the heart shaped sticker on the duct tape, even the talking heads who most vigorously defended Casey are starting to back off. On Geraldo last night it was almost a concensus that Baez should try to cop a plea for her, IF the prosecution is willing to give one. go for a fixed max sentence possibly 25 yrs (nowhere near enough in my opinion)

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning Regina. I don't have an answer to your question about the search warrants, but I hadn't heard about George and the wagon.

Such a sad thing. I think George has always known he lost Caylee since the day he picked up the car and he knew who killed her.

I have flip flopped back and forth on my feelings but with George, I see him as a broken man who was controlled by Cindy and Casey.

I believe he loved little Caylee with all of his heart and this is killing him slowly. He wants to stop the lying and craziness, but he wants Cindy's approval at the same time.

I could be wrong about the whole thing, but I just feel that way.

:sad:


Hiya MM. I think the OCSD tapes of george meeting with them, unbeknowst to lee and cynthia, backs up your theory. He was honest with LE and the FBI at one time. He testified before the Grand Jury. But, once back under the control and influence of cynthia and lee, he spouted the company line.

I guess that conflict alone could drive him off the deep end, throw in his love, devotion and mourning Caylee and we have him under psych observation today.

[*MoonRider*]

Here is a pic and video of George with yellow tie garbage bags.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/july25photos039.jpg 7/25

Video from 8/8 http://www.wftv.com/video/17132420/index.html

Here's a brief time line what lead up to this particular video.

8/6 LE removed 8 bags of evidence from house
8/8 LE took DNA from Casey
8/8 Casey refused visit from Lee

[Dells]

Thanks Ell. Good interview by Meredith Viera. Conway says that george will remain in the hospital, receiving treatment.

I like that Conway complains about not being able to bury Caylee, is this a shot over the bow of the defense?

Didn't like that he blamed george not being able to get a job, on the media's "negative" portrayal of him. If george can't get a job, it's due to his actions alone, imo.

Bolding is mine...

I am glad that he brought that up too. I have felt for a while that the Anthony's are not behind the delay in the funeral for Caylee. I am glad he stated this because the focus has to be on the defense not allowing Caylee to be buried right now. I just wonder if it really is the defense that is delaying it, or if Casey is just being a spiteful %&^$% again?:cursing: This is really the last little bit of control that she has over her parents...

[WillowInFlight]

Hiya MM. I think the OCSD tapes of george meeting with them, unbeknowst to lee and cynthia, backs up your theory. He was honest with LE and the FBI at one time. He testified before the Grand Jury. But, once back under the control and influence of cynthia and lee, he spouted the company line.

I guess that conflict alone could drive him off the deep end, throw in his love, devotion and mourning Caylee and we have him under psych observation today.

You are so right, George wanted to do the right thing, but he has let Cindy control his every move and word.

[Roux]

Then George needs to stand up and do the right thing for the little girl he loved so much in life. Maybe his stay in the hospital with people to talk to will help him see that.

JMO

That's what I've been thinking. He is receiving professional help, which both he and Cindy should have sought months ago IMO. If this escapade was a ploy, it has backfired. Unless George is refusing to talk and receive mental health treatment.

[Dunlurken]

Whether or not GA's attempt at suicide was sincere is not the issue that IMOO is important right now. He is likely being encouraged to entertain all possibilities in a "real" type scenario with the therapists who are sworn to keep confidential information to themselves. He certainly would not have left a suicide note "damning" Casey behind knowing it would hang her because that is his focus of fear and guilt coupled with his grief for Caylee's loss. He may have wanted to go be with Caylee sincerely because he isn't "allowed" to even acknowledge the reality that is becoming so clear to him at home. JMOO

Let us not forget his screams: That dead body in the trunk was NOT MY GRAND DAUGHTER! Denial sucks, until the reality hits you. Which it has done for George. JMO.

[kitty1182]

Good morning Regina. I don't have an answer to your question about the search warrants, but I hadn't heard about George and the wagon.

Such a sad thing. I think George has always known he lost Caylee since the day he picked up the car and he knew who killed her.

I have flip flopped back and forth on my feelings but with George, I see him as a broken man who was controlled by Cindy and Casey.

I believe he loved little Caylee with all of his heart and this is killing him slowly. He wants to stop the lying and craziness, but he wants Cindy's approval at the same time.

I could be wrong about the whole thing, but I just feel that way.

:sad:


I agree..I think Caylee was his heart and soul!

[sorjam]

Let us not forget his screams: That dead body in the trunk was NOT MY GRAND DAUGHTER! Denial sucks, until the reality hits you. Which it has done for George. JMO.

Exactly! What do they do in psycho therapy for troubled people? Encourage you to TALK in a safe environment away from your family, your daughters attornies and the press. All good in MOO.

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks Cury. It says they're waiting on confirmation from doctors regarding George's treatment plan. That he may be released to another treatment facility. I think it wouldn't hurt Cindy to seek counseling for herself also. To my mind, she's been like a loose cannon on all the talk show rounds. On Greta's she carried on about how fatigued she was and I wondered why she didn't go home and rest.

I'm really not sure anyone could get through to Cindy at this point, I think she has been living in her own little "Cleaver" world for so long she refuses to see it any different.

[klock777]

You can thank Baez for the fact that Caylee isn't properly buried yet. Whatever that means. Her spirit is soaring. Nothing left but bones. I never understood the need to "bury" someone. My FIL donated his body to Emory University in GA. No service, nothing. Do I have nightmares about him? You bet your azz I do.

Why is it such a big concern to people on this board that there has not been a funeral / burial yet? I don't see why that bothers people so much.
They are trying to do all the tests and investigating before they DO bury her. If something is missed or forgotten - they will have to exume the body - so guess I would rather them get it all done now before hand.

[Dunlurken]

Bolding is mine...

I am glad that he brought that up too. I have felt for a while that the Anthony's are not behind the delay in the funeral for Caylee. I am glad he stated this because the focus has to be on the defense not allowing Caylee to be buried right now. I just wonder if it really is the defense that is delaying it, or if Casey is just being a spiteful %&^$% again?:cursing: This is really the last little bit of control that she has over her parents...

Defense will not let the body be buried or cremated or whatever, in case they need more forensics. Let that baby go. JMO. The defense is making a lot of bad moves, except for Casey. I mean come on people. It's fairly obvious what happened. CE is enough to build the whole case on. JMO.

[ruth66]

I have contemplated this whole idea of GA and the suicide attempt all weekend and I have decided that I don't know what I believe. I do think that we are all fooling ourselves if we believe that anything this family does will fall into the "normal" category. That being said, why are we trying to decide whether it was a real attempt or not? The A's don't do things in a normal fashion like normal people (we have witnessed this over and over for the past 6 mos.). Do I think GA could have crumbled under all this pressure and all the facts that are being released? 100% yes. Do I think the A's would go to such lows to try to get a new angle in for the new book deal or movie? 100% yes...
IMOO, a good ending to that book or movie would be that CAYLEE IS LAID TO REST and find peace.....

JMO

[Dunlurken]

Why is it such a big concern to people on this board that there has not been a funeral / burial yet? I don't see why that bothers people so much.
They are trying to do all the tests and investigating before they DO bury her. If something is missed or forgotten - they will have to exume the body - so guess I would rather them get it all done now before hand.

What more do they need? One of the best experts in the country did the autopsy. MOD .... homicide. COD.... unknown. Over and done IMO.

[sorjam]

I believe the defense is delaying because of the tox tests. They are going to try and "counter" the results by testing in other areas or by other means if they are damning perhaps. MOO

[cassidy]

Why is it such a big concern to people on this board that there has not been a funeral / burial yet? I don't see why that bothers people so much.
They are trying to do all the tests and investigating before they DO bury her. If something is missed or forgotten - they will have to exume the body - so guess I would rather them get it all done now before hand.

I think it's just human nature. Generally when a person dies there is a funeral or memorial of some sort marking that persons life and death. There has been no such thing for Caylee. It kind of goes against the norm and bothers people. Almost looks as if she has, yet again, been abandoned.

JMO

[desmom]

cindy being mad ..:rolleyes: IMO she was in on the plan..Heck If my hubby was gone all day... I sure wouldn't go check and see if my pictures were all here and I wouldn't check his meds out...Did she check his closets? Did she check and see if his razor, deodorant etc was there... nope she ran to check pictures and his meds. Did she dial 911 oops no better have conway call.. What was conway doing there still at 11:30 12 O clock at night . How many lawyers are out in clients home at that time of night... It must be a thing in FL baez with casey at that time of night on same night...IMO he was there just in case casey heard it on her radio......OMG what a set up staged event...

I have no sympathy for any of the A's...It's time they all started thinking about Caylee being put to rest! Caylee's needs has always been put last imo... This is one drama queen family...They all want to be front and center....Well Its about time they PUT CAYLEE front and center!


The Orlando Sentinel reported George left around 10:00 a.m. He canceled several appointments during the day and did not show up for one with Conway at 4:00 p.m. Cindy tried to reach George and he did not respond to phone calls or text messages. Cindy checked George's night stand and noticed his sleep meds and pictures were missing.

Almost 12 hours after George left the house, he began sending text messages to family and friends - "he did not want to live anymore and that he wanted to be with Caylee" and "wanted to make sure Caylee was in God's arms." He would not tell anyone where he was.

If my husband did not respond to phone calls or text messages for 12 hours, I would be very concerned.

IMO, any suicide talk or attempt cannot be ignored.

jmo

[Dells]

That picture always gave me the creeps, I want to know what is up with that.

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the need to wipe that smirk off Casey's face?:sneaky:

[court~critic1®]

That's what I've been thinking. He is receiving professional help, which both he and Cindy should have sought months ago IMO. If this escapade was a ploy, it has backfired. Unless George is refusing to talk and receive mental health treatment.



How has it backfired???


They accomplished exactly what they set out to do.....take the doc dump out of the limelight and to get the TH talking about poooooorrr George. UGH!!!!

:angry:

[Dunlurken]

Smokes and drinks? Where are you getting that?

tia

Does it matter? :confused:

[WillowInFlight]

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel the need to wipe that smirk off Casey's face?:sneaky:

You do Casey, I'll do Baez.:sneaky:

[WillowInFlight]

Does it matter? :confused:

If he's being treated for other health problems it could matter, but I don't think George smokes.

[cassidy]

You do Casey, I'll do Baez.:sneaky:


If you need help with either one, give me a call.

[Pat]

IIRC, Conway is the source for the "cremation" theory, correct? Saying Cindy wanting to make sure vile people wouldn't desecrate Caylee's final resting place.

If Cindy and George don't have control over Caylee's remains, how much of this is spin?

It puts out the idea Baez wants a cremation in order to keep any further testing from being done in the future, should it be necessary. Surely Baez would realize that further testing later might, in fact, be helpful to his client.

It could be Conway has told them cremation would prevent more testing and it might be in Casey's best interest.

Maybe it's just me, but Cindy wanting to jewelry for Caylee doesn't sound like cremation is really in the cards to me.

[trt]

Does it matter? :confused:

Yes, if its not true and is being put on the board as fact, I would think that it matters...could matter legally also (as CW has reminded us that we are responsible for our own statements).

JMO

[Dunlurken]

How has it backfired???


They accomplished exactly what they set out to do.....take the doc dump out of the limelight and to get the TH talking about poooooorrr George. UGH!!!!

:angry:

sitting on my hands cause I like you. LOL. :w00t:

[Leanne Weich]

Do you think the possibility exists that they are treating him for all his other issues instead? Compulsive gambling and the like?

I've never heard of someone being treated for compulsive gambling in a psychiatric ward and if by the like you mean alcohol abuse, I'd say George does not appear to be the kind of person one would imagine would be needing psychiatric treatment to stop drinking. No, I think George is genuinely being treated for psychiatric problems.

[court~critic1®]

sitting on my hands cause I like you. LOL. :w00t:



Ahhh... go ahead dear.... I am old and I am sure I have had worse things said to me...even if we don't agree I still like you also. :w00t:

[CC I See]

Thats what we have been asking from day one, I wonder if Casey told Lee something when they were alone in the garage.

... right and the fact that Lee would not take a lie detector test, or freely give his DNA and has deleted computer files and now seeks immunity tells me that he has plenty to hide. I have always suspected him of covering up evidence more than Cindy and George who just might be acting in response to Lee's advice. I think that he is the boss in the background telling them what to do.

I feel that Casey is a truly evil person who can manipulate the people around her. Whether you agree or don't agree with what George's and Cindy's behavior in this case, I am not so sure they have much free will when it comes to Casey. For those posters who have never encountered true evil, it is hard to understand this statement. For those of who have, then you probably understand that evil can and does manipulate behavior. Something like "the devil made me do it." This defense will not stand up in court, but does explain some of the behavior in this case.
BTW: Not to joke about this, but I was fully expecting to see Casey's head starts turning like the scene from the Exorcist during the jail house visit with her parents. I certainly saw the presence in her eyes.

[Elle]

I'm really not sure anyone could get through to Cindy at this point, I think she has been living in her own little "Cleaver" world for so long she refuses to see it any different.

He Willow

Willful ignorance
1. willful ignorance
(noun)
The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguements because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs.

the source is the urban dictionary, not the exact source I was hoping for, but It's definition is similar to what I think of when I hear the term. Very much similar to cognitive dissonance (imoo)

Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.
Laurence J. Peter
imo

[trt]

In the help files CW says if a person says something to the effect of I think or I believe then it's taken as opinion and perfectly okay.

I didn't read the OP that way. I read it as saying *I think he is in poor health BECAUSE he smokes/drinks." Not "I think he smokes and drinks..." JMO

[Pat]

Fox News just reporting that the grandparentsare going ahead with plans for the funeral.

I thought they've been saying it's out of their hands since they didn't have custody; Baez and Casey had control? Now all of a sudden it's okay for them to make this decision. Was it in their hands legally all along?


I find it odd Baez has never disputed the idea he has control over Caylee's remains and stated they will be turned over to the Anthonys when he was satisfied all necessary testing was finished.

As with everything in this case, I'm sure another week will change our perspective on all the motives, issues and players to some degree.

[happygert]

Why is it such a big concern to people on this board that there has not been a funeral / burial yet? I don't see why that bothers people so much.
They are trying to do all the tests and investigating before they DO bury her. If something is missed or forgotten - they will have to exume the body - so guess I would rather them get it all done now before hand.

Why is it a concern to people here? ARE you KIDDING? Well for one Caylee is in a CARDBOARD BOX IN A COOLER! FOR 36 DAYS! For (2) HER FAMILY DOES NOT SEEM TO CARE! (3) She deserves a proper BURIAL... IMO she has been treated in death as she did in life...Her needs were always last to her mom and cindy..they were too busy competing for attention... They wanted all the attention . Caylee was a burden to casey and cindy...

[Dells]

Whoopie just questioned Nancy if it could have been an accident? May God have mercy on her soul.............lol! :tongueside:

LOL! I would have loved to have seen it, but The View has already been on in my area...

[WillowInFlight]

He Willow

Willful ignorance
1. willful ignorance
(noun)
The practice or act of intentional and blatant avoidance, disregard or disagreement with facts, empirical evidence and well-founded arguements because they oppose or contradict your own existing personal beliefs.

the source is the urban dictionary, not the exact source I was hoping for, but It's definition is similar to what I think of when I hear the term. Very much similar to cognitive dissonance (imoo)

Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.
Laurence J. Peter
imo
Thank You Elle, I knew there had to be a name for it.:smile:

[5boxersmom]

Whoopie just questioned Nancy if it could have been an accident? May God have mercy on her soul.............lol! :tongueside:

Yep I saw that. I was like :w00t:

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

LOL! I would have loved to have seen it, but The View has already been on in my area...

It was just more rehashing.

[Neffy]

Fox News just reporting that the grandparentsare going ahead with plans for the funeral.

I thought they've been saying it's out of their hands since they didn't have custody; Baez and Casey had control? Now all of a sudden it's okay for them to make this decision. Was it in their hands legally all along?

George seems to be out of the way too! Gee, who's left to handle things and get it done without anyones input and getting it done their way :sneaky:

[Dells]

You do Casey, I'll do Baez.:sneaky:

That's a deal!:thumbsup:

[islandgirl36542]

No, not welfare...disability....I know someone who is on it from a mental disorder....they are only 40 years old and haven't worked for the last 14 years....they have bipola disorder and paper work was filled out at the hospital when they were admitted for trying to commit suicide....It is NOT welfare...she did work during her lifetime and that was accumilated for her benifits.....she receives social security disability...AND she gets more then I do on plain social security....because they calculate it based on the amount you were paid for the time that you worked....I receive my deceased husbands SS because i'm not 65 yet...so I waiting for those 2 more years and I will receive more....

But yes, he can receive SSD....and it's not welfare related at all....

at 40 & been on disability for 14 years ~on disability since age 26 ~maybe started work at age 16~ so accumilated for 10 years ~ what happens when youve been paid everything youve accumilated~where does That money come from? government? if so isnt that like welfare?

[Leanne Weich]

Is he in the psych ward? I think he is in poor health to begin with.... smokes and drinks, I would think he would be treated for heart issues (including his HBP) and or liver troubles... maybe even lung/breathing problems.

I've never seen or even heard that George smokes, nor has anything been said that he has a problem with alcohol other than here. My God, I hope something never happens to a member of my family which is published in a newspaper that people on this message board latch onto. I'm sure within a week, I'd be an alcoholic deviant of some kind.

[CC I See]

Since Casey is next of kin and makes the decision what to do with Caylee's remains can the Anthony's do anything about it? If Casey has given control to Baez then Cindy and George must only wait until he decides what they want done.

[happygert]

George seems to be out of the way too! Gee, who's left to handle things and get it done without anyones input and getting it done their way :sneaky:

HUmm Conway said the other day he was going to make the arrangements.....paraphrasing... I guess they can't do anything for themselves....now a perfect stanger making FUNERAL arrangements for their GRANDDAUGHTER! Does that tell anyone here anything?? IMO .....Well it tells me prefect strangers want her laid to rest and her own FAMILY could give 2 chits less...JMHO!

[trt]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12698954#post12698954

#101

I take it to be very easy to understand. Short and sweet. There it is.

I've read it...thanks. I stand by my opinion.

[trt]

trt, If what you say is true then we'd all be banned for saying 'I think this person killed [whoever], or 'I think this defendant is innocent'. We don't have to say because. We don't have to always state a reason for why we think what we think.

Again...saying I think that George is in bad health(opinion) BECAUSE he drinks and smokes(again, no I think, but stated as a fact with which to base said opinion on), that's a lot different than saying I think George drinks and smokes. One gives an opinion based on fact(IMO) and one gives an opinion with no assumption of fact. I don't think we want to spend a whole lot of time rehashing what our understanding of the policy is (at least I don't). I stated my opinion and it is ultimately up to CW to decide if that poster was out of line. JMO

[Neffy]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12698954#post12698954

#101

I take it to be very easy to understand. Short and sweet. There it is.

Tx for the link but I don't think that applies here. Trt gave two ways it could be read. :)

[klock777]

I think it's just human nature. Generally when a person dies there is a funeral or memorial of some sort marking that persons life and death. There has been no such thing for Caylee. It kind of goes against the norm and bothers people. Almost looks as if she has, yet again, been abandoned.

JMO


I mean - what difference does it make - why does it bother people they haven't done it YET? What difference does it make if it was done in 2 days or 2 months?

[trt]

I think we need a hearing soon, we are running out of conversation. What are your thoughts on the police saying about Lee "he knows what he did"?

I think its just that. LE has known that this family has been less than truthful for some time now, IMO (I think back to comments made by Sherrif Beary when Cindy was demanding an apology from LE) and I think that they have been the shining example of professionalism on thoroughness as it relates to this case. I hope that they have what they need to prosecute ANYONE who had to do with covering up for the murderess.

JMO

[Pat]

If Lee did delete files as rumored I think it would be because of something illegal that was going on. I'm sure that LE knows the exact time that the last disk cleanup was done on that computer.

JMO

Could it be those pictures of Casey that Lee deleted...the ones George was so upset over he got sick during the interview?

[Mimi428]

I think it's just human nature. Generally when a person dies there is a funeral or memorial of some sort marking that persons life and death. There has been no such thing for Caylee. It kind of goes against the norm and bothers people. Almost looks as if she has, yet again, been abandoned.

JMO

I agree with you on what we are used to seeing as the norm & what is human nature.

What I DON'T understand is the refusal to acknowledge that the defense team has the right to conduct their own tests - & if they are denied that right then it can compromise a successful prosecution.

This is a crime message board - yet we have folks ranting & carrying on as if they have no concept of how trials are conducted & that it is imperative that the prosecution get a conviction done the right way, so that it will stick!

What is the essential reward for all this wailing & gnashing of teeth & repeating the same gripes - when reasonable, credible explanations have been given several times a day? I really don't understand that.

(not directed at you, Cassidy, I don't think you do any of that)

Keep your eyes on the prize - the prize being a SUCCESSFUL prosecution. Seek solace in your personal, spiritual beliefs. The suffering of that poor, innocent child is over - it is time to gut up & wear the mantle of a rational adult who possesses the resolve to see the perpetrator of this vicious, despicable act get a fair trial & (hopefully) a proper conviction.

JMO

[Roux]

How has it backfired???


They accomplished exactly what they set out to do.....take the doc dump out of the limelight and to get the TH talking about poooooorrr George. UGH!!!!

:angry:

Backfired in the sense that George has now been "forced" to have mental observation/treatment. I was thinking that they probably did not forsee that, if the whole thing was planned to divert attention from the doc drop. I concur they succeeded on that front.

[Rick777]

Ok....I'll just jump in and say I think the suicide attempt was bogus, and "wanting to be with Caylee" was crap because if George was sooo missing Caylee he would have been hysterical during the 31 days he didn't see her!

[WillowInFlight]

Could it be those pictures of Casey that Lee deleted...the ones George was so upset over he got sick during the interview?

I don't think we should even go there.

[no1what]

I find it odd Baez has never disputed the idea he has control over Caylee's remains and stated they will be turned over to the Anthonys when he was satisfied all necessary testing was finished.

As with everything in this case, I'm sure another week will change our perspective on all the motives, issues and players to some degree.

----------------------------------------------------

Are the funeral plans with or without a body? Is it just a service?

[sorjam]

Could it be those pictures of Casey that Lee deleted...the ones George was so upset over he got sick during the interview?

That's possible...and I also think he may have withheld a reciept for a replacment Pooh blanket/quilt from the ones he turned over to Baez and not LE. JMOO

[klock777]

Why is it a concern to people here? ARE you KIDDING? Well for one Caylee is in a CARDBOARD BOX IN A COOLER! FOR 36 DAYS! For (2) HER FAMILY DOES NOT SEEM TO CARE! (3) She deserves a proper BURIAL... IMO she has been treated in death as she did in life...Her needs were always last to her mom and cindy..they were too busy competing for attention... They wanted all the attention . Caylee was a burden to casey and cindy...

Like I said earlier - I don't see that it matters WHEN the funeral is.

[Rick777]

I think the pics Lee deleted were most likely Casey in compromising positions when she was supposed to be looking for Caylee.

[trt]

Like I said earlier - I don't see that it matters WHEN the funeral is.

But surely you respect the opinion of those that do think it matters, right? JMO

[Pooh]

I think we need a hearing soon, we are running out of conversation. What are your thoughts on the police saying about Lee "he knows what he did"?

Hi January. :seeya: Is there a news article out there about the Lee stuff? I didn't see anything in the links thread. I'm just getting here and this topic is very interesting....

[sorjam]

I think the pics Lee deleted were most likely Casey in compromising positions when she was supposed to be looking for Caylee.

That's a 10-4 most likely................JMO also.

[spiritwolf46]

Like I said earlier - I don't see that it matters WHEN the funeral is.

My personal opinion is that I would love to see this little girl laid to rest, for she has already indured so much. She deserves to have a final resting place and the fact that she was thrown away like trash and thankfully found, she deserves a he77 of a lot better than laying in a funeral home for weeks now.

[Neffy]

I'm opting not to take your lead. Until the moderator of these forums states otherwise I'll follow the rules of the boards as she states them.

I believe they do apply to forum users or it wouldn't say so. CW says to PM her if you have any questions. :shrug:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18

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Re; imo, jmo, moo

Post #101 from Coldwater

Note it says using forums


That's fine. I thought you were speaking to TRT and is why I posted that.

[ginamar]

Ok....I'll just jump in and say I think the suicide attempt was bogus, and "wanting to be with Caylee" was crap because if George was sooo missing Caylee he would have been hysterical during the 31 days he didn't see her!

How do we know what he was feeling those 31 days? And how would it even be comparable in thinking your grandaughter is with her mother and knowing your grandaughter was killed by her mother?
Casey was Caylee's mother, by all rights that's who she would have been with, so if Casey was lying to them and telling them everything was ok how would they know at that time that it wasn't?

[Rick777]

Not having a proper funeral for Caylee is getting annoying. There's really no excuse, and it's something that needs to be done to honor this little girl.

[5boxersmom]

My personal opinion is that I would love to see this little girl laid to rest, for she has already indured so much. She deserves to have a final resting place and the fact that she was thrown away like trash and thankfully found, she deserves a he77 of a lot better than laying in a funeral home for weeks now.

ITA. It is about respect. Which Caylee deserves.

jmo

[Leanne Weich]

All the posters who are so quick to make light of George's current situation and say that Caylee should be the most important consideration right now. Do you ever stop to think if Caylee is looking down and watching this brouhaha over her grandpa, how she'd feel. I'm sure she would want everyone to wish him a speedy recovery from whatever ails him - be it a mental health problem or a defect which is causing him to seek attention in an unhealthy way. I'm sure Caylee would be devastated if she knew how people have been laughing, joking and criticizing George since Friday. If, and I hope this doesn't happen, George does ultimately land up committing suicide, I sure hope we're not going to see a bunch of hypocrites all feeling sorry for him. If this is harsh, I'm sorry but, from my perspective, it is what it is.

[court~critic1®]

Backfired in the sense that George has now been "forced" to have mental observation/treatment. I was thinking that they probably did not forsee that, if the whole thing was planned to divert attention from the doc drop. I concur they succeeded on that front.


The Ants has had a lawyer there with them most of the time. I am sure he explained to them what the outcome would be. So they did not go into this hoax blind.

[kitty1182]

What good does it do for the A's to try and take the focus off Casey?
With the trial months or maybe years away this won't have any effect on it. Any reports about Casey will still be used in the trial and the Jury will decide based on the evidence presented.

JMO



Don't say years, I'm getting old..lol

[WillowInFlight]

Good afternoon, klock777. Some people believe that if a person is murdered or their life taken unjustly and abruptly the way Caylee's was, that the soul cannot rest until their remains are properly buried or cremated. Also, we are dealing with a small child here who the majority, including myself, feel that she is being disrespected, that it is a huge sign of disrespect for Caylee just sitting in a cardboard box alone in a funeral home somewhere. That is why for some of us, it is important when she is laid to rest. For many of us, the sooner the better so that her soul can be at peace. For those who do not believe in a soul, I suppose that this is all moot.

I could not have said it better January, and I am one that believes that the soul can't rest and remains haunted until laid to rest.

[Pooh]

I think the pics Lee deleted were most likely Casey in compromising positions when she was supposed to be looking for Caylee.

Ya know what gets me about people who delete things from their computer? They have absolutely NO idea that it can be retrieved!!! Cracks me up they think they're being so sneaky - that no one will find out. They couldn't be more wrong....

[happygert]

Like I said earlier - I don't see that it matters WHEN the funeral is.

No I guess not they already left her to rot like a piece of trash so what differences does it make if she's not buried..right?

Well IMO thats very sad.... No respect for CAYLEE what so ever......

[Rick777]

Well..lets see, to attempt suicide is pretty extreme. To suddenly up and say "I want to be with Caylee" now when that would have made more sense while she was missing 31 days, when the body was found, when the body was confirmed to be Caylee, or when evidence lead back to HIS house. Don't ya think the timing is interesting?


How do we know what he was feeling those 31 days? And how would it even be comparable in thinking your grandaughter is with her mother and knowing your grandaughter was killed by her mother?
Casey was Caylee's mother, by all rights that's who she would have been with, so if Casey was lying to them and telling them everything was ok how would they know at that time that it wasn't?

[steffaroob4]

Anthony Prosecution Team Files Witness List (http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html)
Baez Requests Sanctions Against The State

sanctions (http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0126/18565684.pdf)

[Pruddennce]

I agree, Mr. Lucky. I have said for a long time that I felt that Lee was involved in some "things" of his own. I think that at one point, both Lee and Casey were hooked into something that would have landed them both in jail had they been caught. I believe that in the course of time, and as the police and FBI remain on their toes, not underestimate any of them and stay the course, we will be hearing alot of things that will shock the world.


I agree as well.

Especially in light of LE's statement/question to Lee....(allowing Lee to feel they were 'sharing' info with him): he is asked, any idea why Casey would be using someone else's internet service to upload pictures to her ms/facebook?

IMO, his response told LE exactly what they needed to know about his 'cooperation'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[trt]

All the posters who are so quick to make light of George's current situation and say that Caylee should be the most important consideration right now. Do you ever stop to think if Caylee is looking down and watching this brouhaha over her grandpa, how she'd feel. I'm sure she would want everyone to wish him a speedy recovery from whatever ails him - be it a mental health problem or a defect which is causing him to seek attention in an unhealthy way. I'm sure Caylee would be devastated if she knew how people have been laughing, joking and criticizing George since Friday. If, and I hope this doesn't happen, George does ultimately land up committing suicide, I sure hope we're not going to see a bunch of hypocrites all feeling sorry for him. If this is harsh, I'm sorry but, from my perspective, it is what it is.



I think Caylee was devestated (if you believe the *looking down* theory) that her grandparents have chosen to protect the person who murdered her instead of honoring their love for her and her memory. So I think she would have been devestated long before now if she were *looking down*. JMO

[Rick777]

Ya know what gets me about people who delete things from their computer? They have absolutely NO idea that it can be retrieved!!! Cracks me up they think they're being so sneaky - that no one will find out. They couldn't be more wrong....


Hahahaha...I know! You are on the money there.

[trt]

That's fine. I thought you were speaking to TRT and is why I posted that.

Thanks...I think its a case of someone jumping into the conversation in the middle and not being fully aware of what was being discussed. No big deal.

Now if we can only get Lee's lawyer (instead of his parents) actually talking about potential charges against him, we'd be in business. JMO

[klock777]

But surely you respect the opinion of those that do think it matters, right? JMO

I just asked WHY it mattered. If no plans were made, left her sitting in "cardboard box" forever - then yes - it would appear that the family "doesn't care" but I was wondering why everyone gets in such a fit because they haven't had a funeral yet? It's been reported they will - why does it matter to the public WHEN?

[spiritwolf46]

I think Caylee was devestated (if you believe the *looking down* theory) that her grandparents have chosen to protect the person who murdered her instead of honoring their love for her and her memory. So I think she would have been devestated long before now if she were *looking down*. JMO


.....:beer:.....

[trt]

I just asked WHY it mattered. If no plans were made, left her sitting in "cardboard box" forever - then yes - it would appear that the family "doesn't care" but I was wondering why everyone gets in such a fit because they haven't had a funeral yet? It's been reported they will - why does it matter to the public WHEN?

I think January gave a good explanation of why it matters for some people and there was someone else who gave a personal account of why it matters to them. Point is that it does matter to some...it would matter to you if they left her sitting in the cardboard box *forever*. For some people, its already been long enough. Just different thresholds, IMO.

[Dunlurken]

Not having a proper funeral for Caylee is getting annoying. There's really no excuse, and it's something that needs to be done to honor this little girl.
Talk to Baez. JMO.

[Heyes]

Ok....I'll just jump in and say I think the suicide attempt was bogus, and "wanting to be with Caylee" was crap because if George was sooo missing Caylee he would have been hysterical during the 31 days he didn't see her!

I have never seen anyone who has lost a family member hold a meet and greet OR go on tv to tell the world that they have found their calling, while smiling at the camera i might add. Beaming that he would be the new voice for missing children. Keep in mind, as thrilled as he was, his granddauhter was still missing, his daughter is in jail for murder. But here he is, happy as a clam with his new found money making sceme er....uh.... career. Did anyone ever see an ounce of hysteria? With any of these people? Anything close? I sure didn't.

IMO

[islandgirl36542]

My personal opinion is that I would love to see this little girl laid to rest, for she has already indured so much. She deserves to have a final resting place and the fact that she was thrown away like trash and thankfully found, she deserves a he77 of a lot better than laying in a funeral home for weeks now.


I find it Disrespectful for leaving Caylee in that funeral home So Sad! I would hope to God my family will have more respect for me when I pass I know they will & I for them...few days for out of town family/friends to arrive then from funeral home & then no stopping for traffic lights to the grave. Respect.

jmo

[Rick777]

Talk to Baez. JMO.



I think it falls right into the lap of the Grandparents. Baez is just an empty suit.

[Neffy]

Thanks...I think its a case of someone jumping into the conversation in the middle and not being fully aware of what was being discussed. No big deal.

Now if we can only get Lee's lawyer (instead of his parents) actually talking about potential charges against him, we'd be in business. JMO


LOL Thanks I just pm'd adalena as I didn't want take the board to off topic. Yes bottom line misundertanding.

After what I saw of Lee's Lawyer it may be safe to assume that he is now lawyerless.

[ginamar]

Well..lets see, to attempt suicide is pretty extreme. To suddenly up and say "I want to be with Caylee" now when that would have made more sense while she was missing 31 days, when the body was found, when the body was confirmed to be Caylee, or when evidence lead back to HIS house. Don't ya think the timing is interesting?

At that time of the 31 days they didn't know what had happened other than Caylee was with her mother, who was lying to them and telling them everything was ok so why would he be thinking about suicide at that point??

It hasn't been that long since the body was found so I don't doubt that may have led up to this on top of it being the culmination of everything that transpired over time, he reached his breaking point.

Surely that is not difficult to understand?

[klock777]

No I guess not they already left her to rot like a piece of trash so what differences does it make if she's not buried..right?

Well IMO thats very sad.... No respect for CAYLEE what so ever......


WHO left her to rot - the GPs? I guess that would be a matter of opinion - which mine is they did not. Whomever killed Caylee - whether it was Casey or someone else - left her to rot. I really don't think these GP's had any knowledge of anything, except believing their daughter would not do such a thing and as a perent, I think we can all explain away excuses for anything about our kids.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Anthony Prosecution Team Files Witness List
Baez Requests Sanctions Against The State
http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

Motion for sanctions (4 page pdf)
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0126/18565684.pdf

[WillowInFlight]

I have never seen anyone who has lost a family member hold a meet and greet OR go on tv to tell the world that they have found their calling, while smiling at the camera i might add. Beaming that he would be the new voice for missing children. Keep in mind, as thrilled as he was, his granddauhter was still missing, his daughter is in jail for murder. But here he is, happy as a clam with his new found money making sceme er....uh.... career. Did anyone ever see an ounce of hysteria? With any of these people? Anything close? I sure didn't.

IMO

Nope, no pleading for the safe return of Caylee. No active searches, unless you call driving the billboard on wheels around and accepting donations at publix searches. Let me ask this, I may have missed it. Did they print and post flyers of a missing Caylee?

[Pat]

I don't think we should even go there.

Given I haven't speculated on what the photographs are (and won't because I don't have a clue), and posters are speculating that it is material that implicates Lee and/or Casey in illegal activity, I don't understand your point.

My point was simply that Lee may have erased those files becaue they obviously wouldn't have portrayed Casey in a flattering light to LE, and Casey already had enough problems with her 31 day story.

We know for a fact the photographs exist. It is mere speculation that Lee and/or Casey were involved in illegal activities of any kind. And I don't mean, of course, Casey's stealing from all and sundry...that isn't the illegal activity other posters are talking about.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

In case anyone has forgotten...

The material includes confirmation from a forensic report that duct tape was found on the skull of Casey Anthony's daughter, Caylee. On a piece of the tape, investigators found evidence that a heart-shaped sticker was intentionally stuck. (See documents at bottom of article)

Heart Sticker Was Placed On Duct Tape On Caylee (http://www.wesh.com/news/18530020/detail.html)

Inside the bag, investigators found a small shirt, small pair of white shorts and small cloth-type letters that appear to be iron-ons, and a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

Investigator: Heart-shaped sticker was put on duct tape covering Caylee Marie Anthony's mouth (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-marie-anthony-casey-012109,0,5932835.story)
No one has forgotten. No one will. I'm missing the point.

[spiritwolf46]

I find it Disrespectful for leaving Caylee in that funeral home So Sad! I would hope to God my family will have more respect for me when I pass I know they will & I for them...few days for out of town family/friends to arrive then from funeral home & then no stopping for traffic lights to the grave. Respect.

jmo


That is it in a nutshell, Islandgirl, exactly.

[Heyes]

All the posters who are so quick to make light of George's current situation and say that Caylee should be the most important consideration right now. Do you ever stop to think if Caylee is looking down and watching this brouhaha over her grandpa, how she'd feel. I'm sure she would want everyone to wish him a speedy recovery from whatever ails him - be it a mental health problem or a defect which is causing him to seek attention in an unhealthy way. I'm sure Caylee would be devastated if she knew how people have been laughing, joking and criticizing George since Friday. If, and I hope this doesn't happen, George does ultimately land up committing suicide, I sure hope we're not going to see a bunch of hypocrites all feeling sorry for him. If this is harsh, I'm sorry but, from my perspective, it is what it is.

I can without doubt promise you that if george would unfortunately choose that as a way out of being a member of this world......... I will not feel sorry for him.
imo

[Snoopy50]

I have never seen anyone who has lost a family member hold a meet and greet OR go on tv to tell the world that they have found their calling, while smiling at the camera i might add. Beaming that he would be the new voice for missing children. Keep in mind, as thrilled as he was, his granddauhter was still missing, his daughter is in jail for murder. But here he is, happy as a clam with his new found money making sceme er....uh.... career. Did anyone ever see an ounce of hysteria? With any of these people? Anything close? I sure didn't.

IMO

IMO an excellent prospective. On that, I am going back to work before my clients do me in and toss me alongside the road to rot.:laugh:

[Rick777]

At that time of the 31 days they didn't know what had happened other than Caylee was with her mother, who was lying to them and telling them everything was ok so why would he be thinking about suicide at that point??

It hasn't been that long since the body was found so I don't doubt that may have led up to this on top of it being the culmination of everything that transpired over time, he reached his breaking point.

Surely that is not difficult to understand?


I think you are wrong, and don't call me surely. :)

31 days IS A LONG time when Casey was at the house all the time, then suddenly gone for 31 days without Caylee calling to even say hi to nana or poppa.

Are you trying to tell me that you think George sincerely tried to commit suicide?

[WillowInFlight]

Given I haven't speculated on what the photographs are (and won't because I don't have a clue), and posters are speculating that it is material that implicates Lee and/or Casey in illegal activity, I don't understand your point.

My point was simply that Lee may have erased those files becaue they obviously wouldn't have portrayed Casey in a flattering light to LE, and Casey already had enough problems with her 31 day story.

We know for a fact the photographs exist. It is mere speculation that Lee and/or Casey were involved in illegal activities of any kind. And I don't mean, of course, Casey's stealing from all and sundry...that isn't the illegal activity other posters are talking about.

JMO

And it is still be speculated on when George got sick. Most of us believe it was when he was recalling the smell and the stain, not the pictures that he saw.

[Dunlurken]

Nope, no pleading for the safe return of Caylee. No active searches, unless you call driving the billboard on wheels around and accepting donations at publix searches. Let me ask this, I may have missed it. Did they print and post flyers of a missing Caylee?

Well, I don't know where you've been. JMO. :confused:

[Neffy]

Anthony Prosecution Team Files Witness List
Baez Requests Sanctions Against The State
http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

Motion for sanctions (4 page pdf)
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0126/18565684.pdf

TY Cury

:eek: Sanctions. I was just asking about this topic this am whether Baez recieved them. At least we have a short wait to find out what the problem is.

[5boxersmom]

In case anyone has forgotten...

The material includes confirmation from a forensic report that duct tape was found on the skull of Casey Anthony's daughter, Caylee. On a piece of the tape, investigators found evidence that a heart-shaped sticker was intentionally stuck. (See documents at bottom of article)

Heart Sticker Was Placed On Duct Tape On Caylee (http://www.wesh.com/news/18530020/detail.html)

Inside the bag, investigators found a small shirt, small pair of white shorts and small cloth-type letters that appear to be iron-ons, and a Winnie the Pooh blanket.

Investigator: Heart-shaped sticker was put on duct tape covering Caylee Marie Anthony's mouth (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-marie-anthony-casey-012109,0,5932835.story)

Do you think Intentionally stuck means finger print?

[desmom]

If Lee did delete files as rumored I think it would be because of something illegal that was going on. I'm sure that LE knows the exact time that the last disk cleanup was done on that computer.

JMO


Morning Mr. Lucky.

I think the computer clean up was done by Lee to get rid of all the pics of Casey partying that she had posted on the internet.

She had been telling Cindy she was in Tampa and J'ville, but the pics would show she was at a nightclub in Orlando.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Well, I don't know where you've been. JMO. :confused:

No I don't imagine you would.

[Mimi428]

I could not have said it better January, and I am one that believes that the soul can't rest and remains haunted until laid to rest.

That is an interesting perspective. How did you develop that belief? Is it based on a specific religion, or is it something that you have decided upon based on other things?

I'm not trying to bait you, I really want to understand that perspective. As far back as I can remember, I think I have believed that a merciful God determines the ultimate destination of our soul - & I don't believe God (being God, after all) is going to punish the soul of a person whose human remains have not been buried or cremated or whatever. I just don't think of God as being so petty or spiteful that he would essentially punish the innocent soul of Caylee, based on what the living humans around her have or have not done.

Now God may make other decisions towards the soul of a person who has committed such horrific acts as murder, but that's a whole different issue.

JMO

[steffaroob4]

Anthony Prosecution Team Files Witness List
Baez Requests Sanctions Against The State
http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html

Motion for sanctions (4 page pdf)
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0126/18565684.pdf

I wish I could see that witness list.

[Rick777]

There is a huge difference in not seeing your grandchild for 31 days when you know she's alive and knowing you'll never see her again because she is dead.


Ok then you have to account for the time the body was found til' now with the futile suicide attempt. Why NOW?

[Dunlurken]

That is it in a nutshell, Islandgirl, exactly.

George and Cindy have no "authority" over Caylee's remains. What's so difficult to understand about that? Casey, who has not been found guilty of murder, has the ultimate authority over the remains, aka Baez. :sad:

[Rick777]

No I don't imagine you would.


:laugh::laugh:

[Myka]

Given I haven't speculated on what the photographs are (and won't because I don't have a clue), and posters are speculating that it is material that implicates Lee and/or Casey in illegal activity, I don't understand your point.

My point was simply that Lee may have erased those files becaue they obviously wouldn't have portrayed Casey in a flattering light to LE, and Casey already had enough problems with her 31 day story.

We know for a fact the photographs exist. It is mere speculation that Lee and/or Casey were involved in illegal activities of any kind. And I don't mean, of course, Casey's stealing from all and sundry...that isn't the illegal activity other posters are talking about.

JMO

if the photos didn't portray her in a flattering light, then why in the world would she put them online in the first place?

[Heyes]

Nope, no pleading for the safe return of Caylee. No active searches, unless you call driving the billboard on wheels around and accepting donations at publix searches. Let me ask this, I may have missed it. Did they print and post flyers of a missing Caylee?

I dont know but your queston reminded me of scott peterson, remember he would take the flyers, throw a couple up and then go behind a mall and call Amber? I tend to think it went something like that, minus Amber of course. lol. I think we would have had cameras following the family as they nailed the posters up. I don't remember seeing that. I just remember them setting up a tent and pimping $$$.

[Leanne Weich]

I think Caylee was devestated (if you believe the *looking down* theory) that her grandparents have chosen to protect the person who murdered her instead of honoring their love for her and her memory. So I think she would have been devestated long before now if she were *looking down*. JMO

I am sure she was devastated but that doesn't preclude her being devastated by what is happening with George, imo. FWIW, I used the *looking down* theory as a figure of speech.

[Rick777]

Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
All the posters who are so quick to make light of George's current situation and say that Caylee should be the most important consideration right now. Do you ever stop to think if Caylee is looking down and watching this brouhaha over her grandpa, how she'd feel. I'm sure she would want everyone to wish him a speedy recovery from whatever ails him - be it a mental health problem or a defect which is causing him to seek attention in an unhealthy way. I'm sure Caylee would be devastated if she knew how people have been laughing, joking and criticizing George since Friday. If, and I hope this doesn't happen, George does ultimately land up committing suicide, I sure hope we're not going to see a bunch of hypocrites all feeling sorry for him. If this is harsh, I'm sorry but, from my perspective, it is what it is.


If Caylee was looking down right now she would ask for a proper burial, and she would tell "Poppa" to wake up!

[kitty1182]

if the photos didn't portray her in a flattering light, then why in the world would she put them online in the first place?


Wasn't it told nearly 200 of Caylee's pics had been removed too? I wonder why if that is so.:huh:

[neid_77]

i am not good with legal stuff...what does he mean with these sanctions?? did the state mess up or is it more whining by biazz?? ANYBODY HELP ME!:thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

That is an interesting perspective. How did you develop that belief? Is it based on a specific religion, or is it something that you have decided upon based on other things?

I'm not trying to bait you, I really want to understand that perspective. As far back as I can remember, I think I have believed that a merciful God determines the ultimate destination of our soul - & I don't believe God (being God, after all) is going to punish the soul of a person whose human remains have not been buried or cremated or whatever. I just don't think of God as being so petty or spiteful that he would essentially punish the innocent soul of Caylee, based on what the living humans around her have or have not done.

Now God may make other decisions towards the soul of a person who has committed such horrific acts as murder, but that's a whole different issue.

JMO
Mimi, I know you aren't baiting me, and so not to take this off topic let me just say it's a spiritual belief I have.:smile:

[Heyes]

IMO an excellent prospective. On that, I am going back to work before my clients do me in and toss me alongside the road to rot.:laugh:
LOL thanks,
Come back later we'll save ya a spot.

[Dunlurken]

Since I am the one who originally posted, I will go out on a limb here and say I don't think this is the forum to discuss this. I do believe that there is or was a forum for spiritual and religious discussions here, but if it has been removed, I don't know because I very rarely venture out beyond this Caylee forum. Either way, I think the rules are pretty clear that we have to keep some focus.

Exactly. We are supposed to be discussing legalities. Of course some of us will post our opinions and perspectives, which could lead to information and greater insights into the case. :smile:

[kitty1182]

I think fingerprints have been found on the duct tape. We just haven't heard it yet.

I think so too..

[Regina.Lampert]

Anthony Prosecution Team Files Witness List (http://www.wesh.com/news/18565575/detail.html)
Baez Requests Sanctions Against The State

sanctions (http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0126/18565684.pdf)

OMG, is it normal to whine in a formal motion to the Judge that the news media has gotten hold of info thru a "leak" in LE, that certain results are back from the experts and have not been turned over to the defense??? I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Friday's hearing should be a riot, imo. :thumbsup:

[Rick777]

Oh Rick I so agree with you. Cindy Anthony marched right into the FBI interview and blurted out that Casey was never missing for the 31 days she deceived the 911 operator and the public about; using the media to deceive.

Documents released by LE has Cindy's coworkers saying she came to work and told them she believed her dtr had killed the baby. Not just one person but multiple.

It's documented she's lied throughout in attempt to deceive for the purpose of protecting her daughter from murder conviction.

I don't see why people have to wonder about public being put off by her antics. As if murder is okay to hide so long as it's your kid that did the dirty deed against all of society's laws.

Should we send her to Disneyland because she's just so special? [sarcasm off]


Excellent! Thats what I was trying to say...errrrr...without saying all you just did! You are right on the money!:smile:

[WillowInFlight]

I dont know but your queston reminded me of scott peterson, remember he would take the flyers, throw a couple up and then go behind a mall and call Amber? I tend to think it went something like that, minus Amber of course. lol. I think we would have had cameras following the family as they nailed the posters up. I don't remember seeing that. I just remember them setting up a tent and pimping $$$.

Thanks Heyes, I don't remember seeing them tacking fliers on any poles or sticking them on windshields either. Thats why I asked if I missed it.

[Rick777]

:lol: excuse the interruption, but that was funny!

:wink:.....

[trt]

I am sure she was devastated but that doesn't preclude her being devastated by what is happening with George, imo. FWIW, I used the *looking down* theory as a figure of speech.

My point being that if G and C are not concerned enough about how their actions look to Caylee as her loving grandparents, then I'm certainly not going to hold back my feelings on their actions. JMO

[Dunlurken]

OMG, is it normal to whine in a formal motion to the Judge that the news media has gotten hold of info thru a "leak" in LE, that certain results are back from the experts and have not been turned over to the defense??? I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Friday's hearing should be a riot, imo. :thumbsup:Does Casey have to be there? LOL. Poor thing. Could be dragged out of her cell in prison garb.

[Pat]

And it is still be speculated on when George got sick. Most of us believe it was when he was recalling the smell and the stain, not the pictures that he saw.

I don't know what made George sick. I was using the "sick" only as a frame of reference for the interview where they were discussed.

But I still don't understand why mention of the photos, with no speculation as to content, is to be avoided as if they don't exist, when we all know they do. :shrug:

[Cury-us Coyote]

I wish I could see that witness list.


Soon Steff, soon. I took one for the team last night.

[5boxersmom]

I think so too..

Me too. I think it will also be interesting to see the maggot info. Baez may regret requesting that. :biggrin:

jmo

[Heyes]

OMG, is it normal to whine in a formal motion to the Judge that the news media has gotten hold of info thru a "leak" in LE, that certain results are back from the experts and have not been turned over to the defense??? I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Friday's hearing should be a riot, imo. :thumbsup:

I promise to clear my calendar and be here, if you Promise me that you'll be here posting like crazy. I can't wait to hear your take.

[Pooh]

OMG, is it normal to whine in a formal motion to the Judge that the news media has gotten hold of info thru a "leak" in LE, that certain results are back from the experts and have not been turned over to the defense??? I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Friday's hearing should be a riot, imo. :thumbsup:

I was thinking the same thing! Sounds like something you'd find in a divorce case. "So and So didn't give me XYZ like he was supposed to....." Geez-O-Man. You can just hear the whining in his voice when you read it!

[neid_77]

:confused:what do these motions mean??? i am not good a legal things? is it more whining by biazz? if someone could help me here i would be very grateful!

[Dunlurken]

I don't know what made George sick. I was using the "sick" only as a frame of reference for the interview where they were discussed.

But I still don't understand why mention of the photos, with no speculation as to content, is to be avoided as if they don't exist, when we all know they do. :shrug:

Do you have a link to the photos? I'm not trying to be mean, but I would like to see the photos you are referring to. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't know what made George sick. I was using the "sick" only as a frame of reference for the interview where they were discussed.

But I still don't understand why mention of the photos, with no speculation as to content, is to be avoided as if they don't exist, when we all know they do. :shrug:

I guess if there is no speculation, have at it.

[5boxersmom]

I saw a preview that Jesse is going to be on Dr. Phil Friday.

Dr. Phil and his panel of experts including host Nancy Grace, HLN and attorney Lisa Bloom, tackle these topics and more. Plus, don’t miss the latest twist in the Caylee Anthony case and hear firsthand what Casey Anthony's ex-fiancé has to say about the mom and daughter.


http://www.drphil.com/shows/

[Pooh]

My mother told me never to discuss politics or religion unless I enjoy a black eye. That being said, I think Kitty above is right. There are fingerprints on that tape and they know whose they are and my guess is that we are about to find out. Funny how Lee is being grilled again and "he knows what he did wrong" comes at this time.

Not only that, but I thought it was interesting that Conway is unclear as to why Lee would need immunity as he hasn't sought it yet. Um - WHAT?!

[WillowInFlight]

I saw a preview that Jesse is going to be on Dr. Phil Friday.

Dr. Phil and his panel of experts including host Nancy Grace, HLN and attorney Lisa Bloom, tackle these topics and more. Plus, don’t miss the latest twist in the Caylee Anthony case and hear firsthand what Casey Anthony's ex-fiancé has to say about the mom and daughter.


http://www.drphil.com/shows/

I just don't get that. Why would he going on Dr. Phil if he is a witness, there is plenty of time afterwards to make the rounds.

[neid_77]

:confused: i meant to say sanctions what do they mean?

[WillowInFlight]

Flyers were printed ( I have 1 in my car) and posted.

Thank You MrLucky.

[ginamar]

I think you are wrong, and don't call me surely. :)

31 days IS A LONG time when Casey was at the house all the time, then suddenly gone for 31 days without Caylee calling to even say hi to nana or poppa.

Are you trying to tell me that you think George sincerely tried to commit suicide?

With all due respect what sense does that make? In the initial days when they thought Caylee was alive, that she was ok and with her mother, George should have attempted suicide just because he hadn't seen her as opposed to it all coming crumbling down knowing for a fact his granddaughter is dead and at the hands of his daughter?

I don't know George do you? But I can certainly believe without much difficulty that with all that he has gone through he could very easily have reached a breaking point.

When people have loved ones that are terminally ill, while their loved one is alive and fighting the battle do those people want to commit suicide or is it after the loved one passes that the finality of it all overcomes them and the person becomes despondent? I don't see the difference with George, people can handle devastating situations until they reach a breaking point.

[Leanne Weich]

Hi, Leanne! Here is how I view it. If Caylee were looking down right now, which I truly believe she is at a state of unrest and seeing everything, I think she would be very hurt deeply offended that her grandparents could cover up and lie in order to protect her own mother who very likely snuffed her young life out. I think her tears would fall seeing the two people she loved most in her life not helping her soul be at rest by giving her a decent funeral AND giving her some JUSTICE THROUGH TRUTH. I also think her tears are falling when she sees her mother and remembers that horrible day and asks WHY, mommy. Why?????

I agree that if she is able to look down she will be very hurt and offended that they're defending Casey but, on the other hand, maybe behind closed doors they curse and fume about what Casey has done. I still feel she'd be devastated at George's present condition. BTW, I don't believe that her soul is not at rest and my reason for saying that is that in all the instances of dead people I've seen, I can truly say I felt no connection whatsoever to them as thy were just empty shells imo. To my way of thinking their souls had left their bodies and the housing was all that was left behind.

[cassidy]

:confused: i meant to say sanctions what do they mean?

You did say sanctions. And I don't know what they mean either? Anyone care to explain in simple language?

[3girls]

George Anthony not being released today. Coming up on Fox News

[Myka]

Do you think Intentionally stuck means finger print?
too bad someone can't post on you tube how to "make" strips of duct tape....you can rip it w/ your hands, thus leaving a finger print, you could tare it with your teeth, thus leaving DNA and you could use shers.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I saw a preview that Jesse is going to be on Dr. Phil Friday.

Dr. Phil and his panel of experts including host Nancy Grace, HLN and attorney Lisa Bloom, tackle these topics and more. Plus, don’t miss the latest twist in the Caylee Anthony case and hear firsthand what Casey Anthony's ex-fiancé has to say about the mom and daughter.


http://www.drphil.com/shows/

Do you mean "in addition to" instead of "including" or is that a direct quote? TIA
:smile:

[spiritwolf46]

George and Cindy have no "authority" over Caylee's remains. What's so difficult to understand about that? Casey, who has not been found guilty of murder, has the ultimate authority over the remains, aka Baez. :sad:

What is so hard to understand that not once did me or the other poster mention George or Cindy??? It was asked WHY we feel the way we do about WHEN Caylee get buried. It was answered in our opinion why we feel that way?

Again, where in my post or the other's post was George or Cindy mentioned?

[5boxersmom]

I just don't get that. Why would he going on Dr. Phil if he is a witness, there is plenty of time afterwards to make the rounds.

ITA. I don't like Dr. Phil so I thought maybe I was being a little bias. Glad I am not the only one. :wink:

jmo

[Pat]

Morning Mr. Lucky.

I think the computer clean up was done by Lee to get rid of all the pics of Casey partying that she had posted on the internet.

She had been telling Cindy she was in Tampa and J'ville, but the pics would show she was at a nightclub in Orlando.

jmo

Thanks for this post...it clears up what I have been trying to say so poorly. I can see Lee doing this to protect Casey from Cindy, and siblings will do stuff like this when they band together. But I doubt it was for that, more to fuzz the idea Casey was a party girl where LE was concerned. The receipts LE thinks may have gone straight to Baez because they never turned up after Lee was there, makes the deletions look more like potential tampering with possible evidence. JMO

Think I'll take a break now and come back later.

I'm very interested in every one's take on the motion Baez filed asking for the State to be sanctioned.

[Dunlurken]

Flyers were printed ( I have 1 in my car) and posted.

Thank you! Amazing the carp that is posted here. Let's take this case to trial. Any idea when the trial will take place? I'm thinking maybe at least a year. Hopefully Baez will let Caylee's remains be put to rest before a year from now. JMO.

[5boxersmom]

Do you mean "in addition to" instead of "including" or is that a direct quote? TIA
:smile:

It's a direct quote.

[Rick777]

Each person is different. Maybe it took this long for reality to set in? Maybe he saw something at home that triggered it?

Under the premise the suicide attempt was legit, you'd be right. I think it was a show to remove some spotlight from his daughter.

[Elle]

And it is still be speculated on when George got sick. Most of us believe it was when he was recalling the smell and the stain, not the pictures that he saw.

In the tape with LE it appeared as though George became literally sick when talking about the stain/smell
In the tape with the FBI he states something about how he was told about pictures by LE and how they were bad, and that it made him feel sick.

I think the pictures made him 'feel' sick, and the recall of the smell made him actually sick.

jmo and just my take on the 2 seperate times I heard him reference it.

[sunbunny]

You did say sanctions. And I don't know what they mean either? Anyone care to explain in simple language?


it's like a "fine" that has to be paid for not following orders, basically.

[Dunlurken]

I'm very interested in every one's take on the motion Baez filed asking for the State to be sanctioned.

snipping to address:

Can we say smoke and mirrors? Someone is helping him with this case. I don't have a clue who it is. My conspiracy theories always come to the forefront. JMO.

[Leanne Weich]

We are on opposite sides on MY but on this I agree 100%.

Well, that's a good start for a change.

[Dells]

I think fingerprints have been found on the duct tape. We just haven't heard it yet.

I certainly hope so!:thumbup:

[Neffy]

OMG, is it normal to whine in a formal motion to the Judge that the news media has gotten hold of info thru a "leak" in LE, that certain results are back from the experts and have not been turned over to the defense??? I have never seen anything like this in my life.

Friday's hearing should be a riot, imo. :thumbsup:

LOL! Baez doesn't like the way they handled the investigation and who they used. Is that what I'm reading. I'll have to read it a again a little later when I don't have to stop and start so much.

ITA TGIF! :w00t:

[Pat]

Do you have a link to the photos? I'm not trying to be mean, but I would like to see the photos you are referring to. JMO.

As Mr. Lucky pointed out, they have never been released to the public. George was presented with them by LE and asked if he knew about them during an interview.

[neid_77]

thank you so much january!!:thumbsup: and all who answered

[Heyes]

Each person is different. Maybe it took this long for reality to set in? Maybe he saw something at home that triggered it?

I can't buy it.
As soon as today, george now has a will to live!
He has now discoved he can help others in this position.
Considering what we know, it's going to be many years before anyone is found in the same position george found himself in.
Why don't we buy george's little motel romp? Look at his entire past, just what we know. Then look at how they found him and what he brought to the party. I feel that this was only to get sympathy and public support for the A family. They are obviously aware that they could have charges pressed against them. The letter talked up the family and same ole, same ole party line about casey. I don't think this was a scheme to help casey. I think it was a schreme to save the collective anthoney a$$.
My opinion of course.

[Dunlurken]

Baez is asking the judge to punish the prosecution for not turning over discovery in the case.That's the craziest thing I ever heard. Prosecution is obviously admitting all of their "discovery" to the courts which is why we have so many document dumps. What has Baez turned over? Does he not have any "discovery"?
:confused:

[KP1935]

I think it was a show to remove some spotlight from his daughter.

ITA. To quote a Seinfeld episode "Don't these people know how to wrap their lips around a revolver?" If he REALLY wanted to commit suicide, there were easier and quicker ways to do it. He could have just asked for a private meeting with his daughter for her to show him "how she did it". :biggrin:

IMO he did it to take some focus off the duct tape/sticker information.

[Mimi428]

Since I am the one who originally posted, I will go out on a limb here and say I don't think this is the forum to discuss this. I do believe that there is or was a forum for spiritual and religious discussions here, but if it has been removed, I don't know because I very rarely venture out beyond this Caylee forum. Either way, I think the rules are pretty clear that we have to keep some focus.

Dang shame for all of us that you couldn't find that limb 20 minutes before you posted the above! LOL

It's all fine, well & good for you to post this - & here's the quote:

January
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Eastern Coastline
Posts: 2,214


Good afternoon, klock777. Some people believe that if a person is murdered or their life taken unjustly and abruptly the way Caylee's was, that the soul cannot rest until their remains are properly buried or cremated. Also, we are dealing with a small child here who the majority, including myself, feel that she is being disrespected, that it is a huge sign of disrespect for Caylee just sitting in a cardboard box alone in a funeral home somewhere. That is why for some of us, it is important when she is laid to rest. For many of us, the sooner the better so that her soul can be at peace. For those who do not believe in a soul, I suppose that this is all moot.
__________________
~January~
bolding what I'm addressing.
consider everything my own theories and opinions unless posted otherwise.

And you sure didn't seem to be looking for that particular limb when you posted this 10 minutes after the quote above...

January
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Eastern Coastline
Posts: 2,214

Hi, Leanne! Here is how I view it. If Caylee were looking down right now, which I truly believe she is at a state of unrest and seeing everything, I think she would be very hurt deeply offended that her grandparents could cover up and lie in order to protect her own mother who very likely snuffed her young life out. I think her tears would fall seeing the two people she loved most in her life not helping her soul be at rest by giving her a decent funeral AND giving her some JUSTICE THROUGH TRUTH. I also think her tears are falling when she sees her mother and remembers that horrible day and asks WHY, mommy. Why?????
__________________
~January~
bolding what I'm addressing.
consider everything my own theories and opinions unless posted otherwise.

But now...you have found the limb! Ohhhhkaaaay. Any possibility that in the future if you think certain subjects should not be discussed on this forum, that you will not take the steps to initiate the discussion of such subjects? It's very confusing to try to keep up with the standards & the double standards & switchbacks. TIA

JMO

[frances1]

I can't buy it.
As soon as today, george now has a will to live!
He has now discoved he can help others in this position.
Considering what we know, it's going to be many years before anyone is found in the same position george found himself in.
Why don't we buy george's little motel romp? Look at his entire past, just what we know. Then look at how they found him and what he brought to the party. I feel that this was only to get sympathy and public support for the A family. They are obviously aware that they could have charges pressed against them. The letter talked up the family and same ole, same ole party line about casey. I don't think this was a scheme to help casey. I think it was a schreme to save the collective anthoney a$$.
My opinion of course.

I agree with you, Heyes. Another thing, just because LE says that Lee Anthony "knows what he has done" does not mean that George and Cindy are in the clear, either.

[Dunlurken]

And he should not have to do that. I think that the State is playing a very unfair game here and if you look at it fairly from both angles, the Prosecutor is no better than Baez with using dirty tricks and busting chops. I don't think this is right and I also have a gut instinct that this might lead to a really nice basis for an appeal.
Both have to turn over "discovery". JMO.

[5boxersmom]

I can't buy it.
As soon as today, george now has a will to live!
He has now discoved he can help others in this position.
Considering what we know, it's going to be many years before anyone is found in the same position george found himself in.
Why don't we buy george's little motel romp? Look at his entire past, just what we know. Then look at how they found him and what he brought to the party. I feel that this was only to get sympathy and public support for the A family. They are obviously aware that they could have charges pressed against them. The letter talked up the family and same ole, same ole party line about casey. I don't think this was a scheme to help casey. I think it was a schreme to save the collective anthoney a$$.
My opinion of course.

Color is mine.

This bothers me. We have heard this mentioned several times about how George and Cindy want to work to help find missing children. George even told Casey she could get a job doing this. :rolleyes:

Why were they thinking of such things when Caylee was suppose to still be missing? Just seems strange to be thinking of careers at a time like this.

jmo

[Rick777]

Nothing is going to remove the spotlight from Casey. She is in jail facing trial for murdering her daughter.

..And nothing this family does will make any sense to people with common sense.

[Neffy]

i am not good with legal stuff...what does he mean with these sanctions?? did the state mess up or is it more whining by biazz?? ANYBODY HELP ME!:thumbsup:

There's a hearing on Friday and we'll have to wait for the State to respond to Baez's allegations to find out if in fact the state has it coming.

In a nutshell he didn't get what he requested and we don't know why until the state responds. I'll have to read it over again myself but gleening it quickly it looks like he thinks he should have been informed and had a say to what expert LE/investigators used. :shrug:

Yes on the last. Baez is whining. :)

[Regina.Lampert]

I promise to clear my calendar and be here, if you Promise me that you'll be here posting like crazy. I can't wait to hear your take.

And I yours Heyes!! This is must see TV at it's best, imo.

DUNNIE - In Judge Strickland's decree there are certain hearings that casey anthony is excused from, all the critical ones tho, her presence is required. I am hoping she'll be there Friday.

[Dells]

Does Casey have to be there? LOL. Poor thing. Could be dragged out of her cell in prison garb.

I think so. The judge has ordered her to appear at all future court hearings.:thumbsup:

[Leanne Weich]

My point being that if G and C are not concerned enough about how their actions look to Caylee as her loving grandparents, then I'm certainly not going to hold back my feelings on their actions. JMO

That's your prerogative. At the end of the day, I do not feel that George's suicide attempt was a hoax or a ploy to deflect attention from the document dump and I feel empathy and sympathy with and for anyone who is in that dark place.

[Dells]

It is normal for Baez.

Yes, it is just the status quo for him.:glare:

[Cury-us Coyote]

I just don't get that. Why would he going on Dr. Phil if he is a witness, there is plenty of time afterwards to make the rounds.


IIRC, not his first media tour.
jmo

[Heyes]

I can understand some folks' frustration with Jose Baez' lack of experience and how obvious it is that he is having a hard time. I would only hope that his colleagues would reach out as mentors to help him through what seems to me like the most challenging case of his career. I feel very bad for this man because he is being ridiculed constantly not only by folks here but in the media and also all over the internet. I get that he is the attorney who is representing the most hated and despised person in America right now, but I do think that he deserves to be given some credit for having the guts to take this on. I always feel for this guy when I see folks making a joke of this guy when I know that he is facing an almost impossible task. If nothing else, he has the stick-to-it-iveness to stay the course and that takes alot of courage on his part. You never know who is reading these boards, who you are talking to or posting with on the internet. I just think that he deserves some level of respect and that if there is nothing positive to say, then saying nothing might be a better route to take. That's how I feel about that.

With all due respect january, he does set himself up for it, ya just gotta admit.

[bchand]

:confused: i meant to say sanctions what do they mean?

From dictionary.com

sanction - 8 dictionary results sanc⋅tion   /ˈsæŋkʃən/

–noun
1. authoritative permission or approval, as for an action.
2. something that serves to support an action, condition, etc.
3. something that gives binding force, as to an oath, rule of conduct, etc.
4. Law.
a. a provision of a law enacting a penalty for disobedience or a reward for obedience.
b. the penalty or reward.

[legalmania]

Since I am the one who originally posted, I will go out on a limb here and say I don't think this is the forum to discuss this. I do believe that there is or was a forum for spiritual and religious discussions here, but if it has been removed, I don't know because I very rarely venture out beyond this Caylee forum. Either way, I think the rules are pretty clear that we have to keep some focus.

I think as long as were talking about Caylee it is associates with this forum. I believe that Caylees spirit is so strong, and she is causing emotion within the family. She wants them to come clean. Remember Caylee is a higher power now and has powers that the human mind can not comprehend. I believe she will stay until her death is justified. Whatever happened to Caylee will come out because of Caylee.

[Rick777]

Baez has one chance...

John Mark Karr comes out of nowhere and says he did it.

[Dunlurken]

And I yours Heyes!! This is must see TV at it's best, imo.

DUNNIE - In Judge Strickland's decree there are certain hearings that casey anthony is excused from, all the critical ones tho, her presence is required. I am hoping she'll be there Friday.will Friday's be a critical one? If it's about discovery, I would think she should be present. JMO. I mean, after all, her butt's on the line.

One thing I never understood. Granted she's young. But, why put her life in the hands of an inexperienced lawyer? I'm not getting that.

[WillowInFlight]

IIRC, not his first media tour.
jmo

Wasn't he on both NG and Greta not too long ago?

[WillowInFlight]

Baez has one chance...

John Mark Karr comes out of nowhere and says he did it.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Regina.Lampert]

:confused:what do these motions mean??? i am not good a legal things? is it more whining by biazz? if someone could help me here i would be very grateful!

Basically, it is baez requesting evidence that he believes the State has in their possession and that they have failed to turn over to him, according to the schedule set by the Judge.

He is again whining about reports from the FBI and has been told repeatedly by the Judge that the Prosecution has no control over when the FBI concludes their work on that evidence.

Sanctions are a punishment the defense is requestion from the Judge because they are claiming the Prosecution has not turned over evidence to them. The Judge will rule.

IMO, Friday will be another baez whinefest, I'll bring the cheese.

[Cury-us Coyote]

LOL! Baez doesn't like the way they handled the investigation and who they used. Is that what I'm reading. I'll have to read it a again a little later when I don't have to stop and start so much.

ITA TGIF! :w00t:

How can Baez complain he did not know of Haskell's participation in the case when motions filed by the Baez team over the holidays included emails with a suggestion for their experts to work directly with Haskell? TIA

[SavannahStar]

I can understand some folks' frustration with Jose Baez' lack of experience and how obvious it is that he is having a hard time. I would only hope that his colleagues would reach out as mentors to help him through what seems to me like the most challenging case of his career. I feel very bad for this man because he is being ridiculed constantly not only by folks here but in the media and also all over the internet. I get that he is the attorney who is representing the most hated and despised person in America right now, but I do think that he deserves to be given some credit for having the guts to take this on. I always feel for this guy when I see folks making a joke of this guy when I know that he is facing an almost impossible task. If nothing else, he has the stick-to-it-iveness to stay the course and that takes alot of courage on his part. You never know who is reading these boards, who you are talking to or posting with on the internet. I just think that he deserves some level of respect and that if there is nothing positive to say, then saying nothing might be a better route to take. That's how I feel about that.

This is an excellent post, January.

[Loves2Read]

I bet it was the most recently released documents he saw. :scared: George cant take it. He knows his daughter is guilty.

IMO It was Cindy that pushed George over the edge with that ridiculous request that he pick out jewelry for Caylee to have at her funeral. I think that made him wonder how it would be put on the remains and so on.... Picturing her in the coffin..... Not good and very very sad.

[Heyes]

I agree with you, Heyes. Another thing, just because LE says that Lee Anthony "knows what he has done" does not mean that George and Cindy are in the clear, either.


Exactly fances1!
Exactly!

[?noanswer]

No I guess not they already left her to rot like a piece of trash so what differences does it make if she's not buried..right?

Well IMO thats very sad.... No respect for CAYLEE what so ever......

If keeping the remains unburied for a period of time could mean the difference between justice being served and justice not being served, I would want to keep the remains unburied for as long as it takes. JMO

[5boxersmom]

The prosecution sent samples to 2 different experts. There was nothing in the discovery discussing the experts findings. The 2 experts are not on the state's witness list. It reeks of the state trying to hide those results.

If Baez has not turned over any discovery to the state they have the same option of filing a motion for sanctions.

Has the updated witness list for the state ever been released? If so do you have the link? I have not seen it.

tia

[MiamiNice1]

Baez has one chance...

John Mark Karr comes out of nowhere and says he did it.
Now THAT is a good one!!! :lol:

[trt]

That's your prerogative. At the end of the day, I do not feel that George's suicide attempt was a hoax or a ploy to deflect attention from the document dump and I feel empathy and sympathy with and for anyone who is in that dark place.

You are right, it is. Just being honest to your question of whether or not we should consider Caylee and what she *feels* about what we have said about her grandfather. I think this PALES in comparison to what she would feel about being betrayed by the ones that supposedly loved her.

[Dunlurken]

How can Baez complain he did not know of Haskell's participation in the case when motions filed by the Baez team over the holidays included a suggestion for their experts to work directly with Haskell? TIA

Okay, who is Haskell? Please no one tell me to go read. :glare:

[WillowInFlight]

Lenny had a live internet Q+A last night and his opinion that it would be years from now.

Key being his "opinion"

[Loves2Read]

The flyer doesn't have a missing date on it, the T-shirt says 6/16.

That would have been the date she was last seen or as some could call it ... a missing date.

semantics

[WillowInFlight]

That would have been the date she was last seen or as some could call it ... a missing date.

semantics

and some would call it the death date. :crying:

[court~critic1®]

That's your prerogative. At the end of the day, I do not feel that George's suicide attempt was a hoax or a ploy to deflect attention from the document dump and I feel empathy and sympathy with and for anyone who is in that dark place.


Please do not feel empathy or sympathy for me, I don't need it......as I do believe it was all a hoax, scam, whatever you want you want to call it. As for the dark place... I see only light, very bright light.

[bchand]

The prosecution sent samples to 2 different experts. There was nothing in the discovery discussing the experts findings. The 2 experts are not on the state's witness list. It reeks of the state trying to hide those results.

If Baez has not turned over any discovery to the state they have the same option of filing a motion for sanctions.

I'll bet they are on this NEW witness list.

I agree with you. I don't want to see this prosecution make ANY missteps.

[Dunlurken]

Lenny had a live internet Q+A last night and his opinion that it would be years from now.
You know, I saw a show the other day where a woman was in "jail" for 10 years. It's finally going to trial. In fact, I think CTV is discussing the case now. But I've been too engrossed with this case to check out TruTV anymore. LOL.

Prison/jail. Two different stories. JMO.

[trt]

Lenny had a live internet Q+A last night and his opinion that it would be years from now.

Hmm, let's see...with Lenny's track record, that would make the funeral...tomorrow! :D

[legalmania]

I disagree. Baez has done absolutely nothing to earn respect.

Baez' shenanigans should be pointed out as much as possible. Baez' screw ups in this case should be pointed out as much as possible.

Jose 'on the job training' Baez is a prime example of attorney incompetence.

I want to add that the discovery he is asking for may not be complete. You have so much going on in this case. They have went to the A's house three times. It takes time to process evidence. Didn't they have to go back to the crime scene to find that sticker?

[Leanne Weich]

I can understand some folks' frustration with Jose Baez' lack of experience and how obvious it is that he is having a hard time. I would only hope that his colleagues would reach out as mentors to help him through what seems to me like the most challenging case of his career. I feel very bad for this man because he is being ridiculed constantly not only by folks here but in the media and also all over the internet. I get that he is the attorney who is representing the most hated and despised person in America right now, but I do think that he deserves to be given some credit for having the guts to take this on. I always feel for this guy when I see folks making a joke of this guy when I know that he is facing an almost impossible task. If nothing else, he has the stick-to-it-iveness to stay the course and that takes alot of courage on his part. You never know who is reading these boards, who you are talking to or posting with on the internet. I just think that he deserves some level of respect and that if there is nothing positive to say, then saying nothing might be a better route to take. That's how I feel about that.

I don't feel sorry for him because, imo, there are very severe consequences for his client and, as such, if it is clearly beyond his capabilities, he should just bow out gracefully to ensure his client is afforded the best defense possible. It is my belief that he is too arrogant to even acknowledge to himself that he is out of his depth, never mind concede that point to anyone else.

[Loves2Read]

and some would call it the death date. :crying:

Yeah.... I guess so. :crying: