Sat. Jan 24 Part II

[Cinsd]

New thread as the other is over 1000 :ohmy:

[bluwaters]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Group *cayle* has 34 candles from 3 countries.

[Cinsd]

I guess GA couldn't stand hearing about the duct tape, heart, and Cindy's mouth any longer. He should have kept going & not look back, until time to testify.jmo

[Cinsd]

Thanks blu

[kitty1182]

New thread as the other is over 1000 :ohmy:


Thanks! :smile:

[sunstar]

I know that comment exists, my point is how do people know which one to believe when this article contradicts that one.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18545717/detail.html#-

Thanks so much ~ I saw your post on the last thread and was trying to find something newer than the previously reported statement that he doesn't believe Casey harmed Caylee. I don't know which one to believe either. :confused:

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie present. :seeya:

[5boxersmom]

I ask on the other thread and didn't get an answer.

Do we know if Kobi and Kathi Reichs are off the case?

tia

[cloe23]

I just got done reading the updated links. Here I go again feeling bad for George:sad: It is almost like he has always appeared to be doing just fine. Even showing up when Tim M. was searching for a dead Caylee. 'He appeared just fine' MR. LUCKY saw and spoke to him, IIRC.
George very well could be one of those that internalizes everything.
We have seen just the opposite with Cindy, she shows her stress with behaviours and dramatic weight loss.
I feel bad now for suspecting that this may have been staged.
Anyone else sucked in right now the A guilt?
Kind of on the fence?
Off to read up on first thread.:chicken:

ETA: They do always say to go with your first instinct.

[Dunlurken]

I know that comment exists, my point is how do people know which one to believe when this article contradicts that one.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18545717/detail.html#-I think George needs to be left alone. In a definite meltdown. JMO.

[Jester]

Don't know if this has been discussed or not
[bolding mine]

Regarding Juan P. Manterola -
He is also listed as owner or something of a website called "Full Sail", and IIRC, some were discussing that he was helping Casey prepare film for the funeral?
Well, in the trash from Casey's car, there was a document recovered, listed as item #30, that was "Full Sail" registration and orientation" form.
SOOOooo
what's the connection of Casey to Juan to Jose'
and this would have been PRIOR TO this case?


anyone know?
TIA

I have to admit that I'm confused about the delay in laying the child to rest. A funeral is usually within a few days of even an unexpected death, yet in this case weeks have passed. I'm reading about jewelry that has yet to be purchased or arranged, people being told they are not invited to show their respects, and other very unusual things. Is the delay also related to filming the funeral or memorial service? I have to wonder why the family doesn't quietly, privately, and respectfully lay Caylee to rest, and leave everyone else out of it.

Of course, if there's a movie deal to be had, maybe the funeral has to be a big, filmed production.

[Dunlurken]

I ask on the other thread and didn't get an answer.

Do we know if Kobi and Kathi Reichs are off the case?

tia

Actually, we don't know if "who's on first or whats on second". JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Caseys 'friends' had jobs, and/or were getting an education.

Casey had no job, no education, is a liar, thief, murderer.

I just don't agree with Georges comment about Caseys friends in his

suicide letter.

I think Cindy wrote the letter and George did as he was told.

jmoTHUD! Wow......

[read-in]

Iam thinking along the lines of Big Distraction;

Could also be to Garner Major sympathy for the whole family..

My first thoughts were, " oh that poor man "

me thinks i slid down the other side of the fence..

Sorry, JMVHP..

[sunstar]

I ask on the other thread and didn't get an answer.

Do we know if Kobi and Kathi Reichs are off the case?

tia

I haven't seen anything since a "list" NG had on the screen during one of her shows and I didn't see Kobi's name on it. I'm not sure about Kathi Reichs. :shrug: MOO

[5boxersmom]

Okay, before I leave for a bite, does anyone here remember a link to a video someone posted here not too long ago, it was a montage put together with Cindy and her lies? It was a string of flipflops she has made since day one. There was one part that said "I said the car smelled like death...I never said the car smelled like death" and "I changed my mind about the car...I never changed my mind about the car" and more. Anyone remember that?

Wasn't that the Sunshine Videos on youtube?

[read-in]

Hi boxermom:biggrin:
Just thinking; if Reichs is out, do you thinks it is b/c she saw the evidence???
Just guessing here, but she does have a reputation to protect; as well as the others.

[eastside joe]

"snipped to address"
I feel bad now for suspecting that this may have been staged.
Anyone else sucked in right now the A guilt?
Kind of on the fence?
Off to read up on first thread.:chicken:

ETA: They do always say to go with your first instinct.

I would not feel bad, and NO, I am not sucked in right now to feeling guilty.

Remember what Drew Petrimore said last night. After speaking with George following this drama, Cindy Anthony was reported to be "mad" at George. He never said relieved, or symphathetic, or thankful he said "mad".

Me thinks this type of behavior from George may be a one that Cindy has seen before. IMO

[Dunlurken]

Hi Dunnie,

I am just stating my opinion since yesterday afternoon.

In the beginning of the day I felt so bad for poor George, having wanted to kill himself, and a suicide note made the idea somewhat credible, UNTIL I heard what was on that note, then my suspicions came back, because of what it said in reference to his daughter and her friends.

Then I went back to the anthony credibility issue, and I find they have earned ZERO credibility with GOLD stars.

JMO
If you have a link to the letter, please post it for the rest of us to read.

My head is swimming, so it's nap time for old Dunnie. JMO.

[playnice]

Im not sure what to make of the body not being released to C&G so they can lay Caylee to rest. Baez being in charge just mskes me think his client took Caylees life to spite Cindy and may be using Caylees remains to squeeze every once of pain and suffering out of G&C that she can since she is a spitefiul B.

[Cinsd]

We don't know that, do we?

:huh:My comment ended "jmo"

[i_pickle]

So you are more willing to believe that he did defend Casey than he did not? That says a lot about your bias. Thanks.LOLOL Any answer that doesn't meet your approval you stick a label on.

Intolerant

Bold

Hides behind nics

Biased

Wants George and Cindy to die

Did I miss any?

Oh, yeah...Issues

Comprehension problems

It's hard keeping up with all of them. :wink:

[CelticDawn]

With everything I know about Cindy & George & their lying & obstructing the investigation... hell yes I believe he defended Casey.

It was an easy belief to come to. Not hard at all.

Hey there LandShark....

I believe that George was "loaded" big time....and some of his ramblings in the suicide notes were wishful thinking.....I believe that a sober...unemotional George <if that is at all possible considering the circumstances> is one who is FED UP WITH CINDY AND CASEYS BS,......Maybe he flipped for a while and wanted to get away from them and suicide seemed like his only out.....but then because he didnt follow through....SOME seem DISAPPOINTED......and SOME think he is not sincere.....well I for one have seen first hand someone who wanted to do it but didnt because deep down he knew what a mess he would leave..

[Regina.Lampert]

Hi Dunnie,

I am just stating my opinion since yesterday afternoon.

In the beginning of the day I felt so bad for poor George, having wanted to kill himself, and a suicide note made the idea somewhat credible, UNTIL I heard what was on that note, then my suspicions came back, because of what it said in reference to his daughter and her friends.

Then I went back to the anthony credibility issue, and I find they have earned ZERO credibility with GOLD stars.

JMO


I reacted the same way as you. Now, I am very suspicious. I guess we'll know for sure if the defense uses george's mental status to discredit his statements to the FBI and the Orange County Detectives, when he was honest.

I would not put anything past this desperate defense team and I think cynthia and george are very much part of that team.

[Cinsd]

Okay, before I leave for a bite, does anyone here remember a link to a video someone posted here not too long ago, it was a montage put together with Cindy and her lies? It was a string of flipflops she has made since day one. There was one part that said "I said the car smelled like death...I never said the car smelled like death" and "I changed my mind about the car...I never changed my mind about the car" and more. Anyone remember that?

Hi Jan, I "think" it was on LK to an incoming caller asking her why she changed her mind.

[5boxersmom]

Hi boxermom:biggrin:
Just thinking; if Reichs is out, do you thinks it is b/c she saw the evidence???
Just guessing here, but she does have a reputation to protect; as well as the others.

Yes she does but I am not for sure. The other guy from Canada is the same thing she is.

Kobi was not on the list on NG and he hasn't been on her show for quite sometime. Wonder why?

jmo

[eastside joe]

Oh, give me two weeks with George, I could show him what a decent and loving wife is and give him his dignity back and restore his self esteem to boot. It never once occurred to me but I can see Cindy doing it.

:laugh: You go girl!!!

[True2Blues]

January, I didn't see the video you're talking about, but there are 4 videos on You Tube dealing with the lies, Titled "You are my Sunshine".
If you follow this link it will take you to the first and the other three are listed on the side. Probably not the same, but you can check.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGKHxCr0WmE&feature=channel

[read-in]

Yes she does but I am not for sure. The other guy from Canada is the same thing she is.

Kobi was not on the list on NG and he hasn't been on her show for quite sometime. Wonder why?

jmo

I have not heard anything yet, If they had a chance to reveiw any of the evidence they might be laying low... perhaps they know something we dont.. just guessing

[i_pickle]

Please start directing posts to me in regard to something that is actually about this case. ~snip~.I will gladly do that. I prefer to talk about the case and generally do but imo you need to practice what you preach.

Now on to the case...

[cloe23]

Hi Dunnie,

I am just stating my opinion since yesterday afternoon.

In the beginning of the day I felt so bad for poor George, having wanted to kill himself, and a suicide note made the idea somewhat credible, UNTIL I heard what was on that note, then my suspicions came back, because of what it said in reference to his daughter and her friends.

Then I went back to the anthony credibility issue, and I find they have earned ZERO credibility with GOLD stars.

JMO

TY for your opinion. I was feeling like I was going nuts.... Can't have that now.
Off to google Melancholy fgs:smile:

[playnice]

I reacted the same way as you. Now, I am very suspicious. I guess we'll know for sure if the defense uses george's mental status to discredit his statements to the FBI and the Orange County Detectives, when he was honest.

I would not put anything past this desperate defense team and I think cynthia and george are very much part of that team.

All the TH seems to agree that neither side will bring this into trial . They said it will just make the jury hate Casey that much more for what she has done to her parents.

[HumblePie]

All the TH seems to agree that neither side will bring this into trial . They said it will just make the jury hate Casey that much more for what she has done to her parents.

George's "cry-for-help" only makes things worse for Casey. Not that they could get any better. I wish Casey would confess now, but then I still want to believe in the Easter Bunny.

[True2Blues]

Hi T2B... :seeya:I can't hardly listen to that song anymore. It breaks my heart!

:seeya: NM! The video is mostly the flip flopping of the Anthonys and the lies they've told. It's the background music.

[WillowInFlight]

All the TH seems to agree that neither side will bring this into trial . They said it will just make the jury hate Casey that much more for what she has done to her parents.

So where does that leave it?

[WillowInFlight]

George's "cry-for-help" only makes things worse for Casey. Not that they could get any better. I wish Casey would confess now, but then I still want to believe in the Easter Bunny.

Humble in what sense do you think it makes things worse for Casey?

[playnice]

So where does that leave it?

Hopefully with George getting the help he needs and Cindy following right behind.

[ruth66]

Hey there LandShark....

I believe that George was "loaded" big time....and some of his ramblings in the suicide notes were wishful thinking.....I believe that a sober...unemotional George <if that is at all possible considering the circumstances> is one who is FED UP WITH CINDY AND CASEYS BS,......Maybe he flipped for a while and wanted to get away from them and suicide seemed like his only out.....but then because he didnt follow through....SOME seem DISAPPOINTED......and SOME think he is not sincere.....well I for one have seen first hand someone who wanted to do it but didnt because deep down he knew what a mess he would leave..

Bolding mine
And I on the other hand have experienced someone that did it and never knew the mess he left behind....
I don't know whether I think GA did it for attention or plot or because he truly wanted to die but I will continue to follow this case. I have been here long enough to know that we will get our questions answered within the next few days as we will see what the A's do next. There is always clarity after confusion with them.

Does anyone think it odd that CA would be worried about what jewelry to put on CAYLEE instead of putting her doll or something like that? JMO

[VC2]

Well it looks like medically he was in some difficulty. I had a suspicion of it when they kept saying stable condition.

"Currently, he has been stabilized. He has been moved up to a room and admitted here at Halifax Health," hospital spokeswoman Salina Wang said on Friday afternoon. "Right now we're not commenting on any mental issues that he may or may not have. He is undergoing medical evaluation."
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html

[sunstar]

I reacted the same way as you. Now, I am very suspicious. I guess we'll know for sure if the defense uses george's mental status to discredit his statements to the FBI and the Orange County Detectives, when he was honest.

I would not put anything past this desperate defense team and I think cynthia and george are very much part of that team.

I'm still thinking though he must have said something to the GJ that didn't help his daughter. And that can always be brought up by the state during the trial. MOO

[HumblePie]

Humble in what sense do you think it makes things worse for Casey?

Not "worse" in the traditional way, as I believe Casey is going to serve life in prison but "worse" in the way the parents hope. They want everyone to believe she is innocent, when in fact, George's conduct helps show just the opposite. (Sorry, if I wasn't clear, earlier.)

[Mimi428]

:smile:

The way I go about it ... I add new info to what I see as the norm in a person's behavior, and then I make a conscious decision what to believe based on past behavior predicting future behavior.


I think there is probably a ton of stuff that I have read/heard about this case that I have put onto the shelf of "could be true, could be not". Other than believing that Casey deliberately killed Caylee & that Casey is a psychopath on the extreme end of that spectrum, I am pretty flexible on the rest of what we hear.

Everyone with the last name of Anthony has displayed some truly bizarre behavior, that's for sure. I may lean one way some days, lean in an opposite direction later on, but the one thing I try to do is not get too invested in hanging on to any specific conclusion. 'Cuz as soon as I do, I will want to put an interpretation on other stuff that will support my earlier conclusions.

Some people SEE it, then believe it. Others BELIEVE it, then see it.

To now "see" everything that comes out as solid evidence of the earlier belief is a slippery slope, IMO. Look where it has gotten George & Cindy - they are so desperate to cling onto their belief that their daughter could not, would not kill their granddaugther that they will twist, turn, contort & distort every single thing to make it fit that belief.

First they believe, then they see.

I don't want to fall into that trap.

JMO

[trich]

I reacted the same way as you. Now, I am very suspicious. I guess we'll know for sure if the defense uses george's mental status to discredit his statements to the FBI and the Orange County Detectives, when he was honest.

I would not put anything past this desperate defense team and I think cynthia and george are very much part of that team.

That is the first thing that entered my mind when I heard yesterday about his possibility of suicide and how fast he was found.
I thought it was a ploy to descredit any testimoney he might give during trial and his tesitmony before the GJ.
Of course it could work the opposite way if he testifies for the defense.
Just a thought.
I guess no one truely knows his motives but with this family anything is possible......IMO they are all NUTS!
It is like a soap opera....only this is real life ....:sad:

[WillowInFlight]

Not "worse" in the traditional way, as I believe Casey is going to serve life in prison but "worse" in the way the parents hope. They want everyone to believe she is innocent, when in fact, George's conduct helps show just the opposite. (Sorry, if I wasn't clear, earlier.)

Ok Thanks, but do you think George and Cindy will blame Casey for this or do you think Cindy will blame George. (for George's conduct)?

[tiny paw-prints]

Suicide is indicative of an internal struggle, how do you reconcile that with what you think you know about George?

Sylvia Browne advises that humankind chooses their individual life chart and also their "exit point". I think it would be an "external struggle" for George in his many attempts of avoiding Cindy's idle and constant threats and physical anger. She may have tried to murder him while he slept! Or, Cindy might have attempted to kill Casey. (I have a friend whose mother tried to choke her to death while she was sound to sleep and her dad had to pull the mother away to keep from choking my friend. When my friend awoke and her parents went back to bed, she got up and tried to overdose on a bunch of pills. Because she honestly felt at the time, that her mother wanted her dead).

[cloe23]

Oh, give me two weeks with George, I could show him what a decent and loving wife is and give him his dignity back and restore his self esteem to boot. It never once occurred to me but I can see Cindy doing it.

Mercy child! How is you day going, fighting crime and all?:laugh:
You deserve a partner not a project, IMO.

[n/t]

Well it looks like medically he was in some difficulty. I had a suspicion of it when they kept saying stable condition.


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html

Well that is really bizarre. Chief Chitwood was on the phone last night on NG and he said he's the one who drove George to the hospital. They even chit chatted about a lot of things.

If he was in serious medical condition wouldn't he have gone by ambulance? :confused:

[HumblePie]

Ok Thanks, but do you think George and Cindy will blame Casey for this or do you think Cindy will blame George. (for George's conduct)?

Good question. However, there is enough blame in that family to go around forever. They are a circular firing squad. :ohmy:

[True2Blues]

I have a question for any and all Lawyers/Attorneys on these boards. Conway said that the Anthonys have never asked for Immunity, he is the one who asked for it, for them. I think Lee's Attorney said the same.

Since an Attorney is the employee and the client the boss, can an Attorney ask for Immunity for his clients, if he has not been instructed to do so? Does he have the right to do such a thing?

It seems to me that an Attorney would not have the right to ask for anything for his client without the express request of that client. Especially something like ask for Immunity, which makes it look like the clients have some reason to need Immunity from prosecution for something.

I know the claim is that they have nothing to hide, but Conway is concerned that something the A's may have done unwittingly, might lead to prosecution. I think that's a pretty long stretch myself, since it wouldn't be worth the time and $$ to prosecute for something done unknowingly.

TIA to anyone who can clear this up for me.

[shelbar53]

Actually, we don't know if "who's on first or whats on second". JMO.

I agree with you everyone comes and goes. it does get confusing, along with all the different versions of the same story.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M

[tisamystery]

Does anybody know if Cindy is able to visit George while he's under observation?

I think it may be a good thing for them to be separated for awhile. It might weaken their united effort.

[True2Blues]

Thank you so much for this link! This is the one or ones I have been trying so hard to find. Another poster upthread had mentioned Sunshine Tapes but I didn't know what that meant or how to search that. Thank you for providing the link and thanks to the other poster upthread who mentioned it before ! Every grateful.


I'm glad they're the ones you wanted. I'm watching them right now, very interesting.

[WillowInFlight]

Does anybody know if Cindy is able to visit George while he's under observation?

I think it may be a good thing for them to be separated for awhile. It might weaken their united effort.

It was reported that she visited last night.

[WillowInFlight]

Huge grin inserted here. :biggrin: I think that eventually George is going to have to make a decision in his life to cut his losses with the wife that once loved him but obviously no longer does. It breaks my heart because I see George as a man that has spent a good portion of his life trying so hard to please the women in his life and not being able to, not through any fault of his own but because Cindy and Casey were never satisfied and never appreciative of the things they had. A good example is Cindy calling Caylee a MISTAKE. And complaining to co-workers that she is always stuck with Caylee all the time. I bet now, she WISHES she could have one more minute being "stuck" with Caylee. George has to decide if he wants to continue with someone that doesn't appreciate him for the man he once was and could be again, or change his life by doing something about it. I would say that Caylee was the only person that loved George unconditionally and without strings attached.

How do you know that Cindy no longer loves George?

[n/t]

I just finished watching one of the dateline repeats on MSNBC about a case in Santa Monica. The title of it is Family Ties if anyone is interested in looking up the case.

Anyway, I thought it was quite interesting that the daughter who did not committ the crime (her parents murdered him) was charged and convicted with aiding and abetting and got a 4 year prison sentence. She got 4 years because she got some sort of plea deal. The point is one of the reasons she was charged was lying to police and she lied about where her parents were that night.

I thought it was very interesting considering all the lying going on in this case with the Anthonys. I still wonder if they will be charged, eventually. I think they should. The law is the law.

[sunstar]

Well that is really bizarre. Chief Chitwood was on the phone last night on NG and he said he's the one who drove George to the hospital. They even chit chatted about a lot of things.

If he was in serious medical condition wouldn't he have gone by ambulance? :confused:

From the same article, I'm wondering what this means ~

Chitwood, who drove George Anthony to the hospital, told Local 6 News that he had expected to find him dead. He also said that George Anthony did not want to leave the hotel but did so after being issued an ultimatum.

What 'ultimatum'? I don't remember the Chief mentioning that last night on NG's show. :confused:

[n/t]

Does anybody know if Cindy is able to visit George while he's under observation?

I think it may be a good thing for them to be separated for awhile. It might weaken their united effort.


It was reported last night that she was there. The attorney was there also.

[WillowInFlight]

From the same article, I'm wondering what this means ~

Chitwood, who drove George Anthony to the hospital, told Local 6 News that he had expected to find him dead. He also said that George Anthony did not want to leave the hotel but did so after being issued an ultimatum.

What 'ultimatum'? I don't remember the Chief mentioning that last night on NG's show. :confused:

He had two choices, either go willingly or unwillingly but either way he was going.

[shelbar53]

How do you know that Cindy no longer loves George?

she wanted to divorce him but found out she had to pay alimony so she cancelled the divorce.

[VC2]

Well that is really bizarre. Chief Chitwood was on the phone last night on NG and he said he's the one who drove George to the hospital. They even chit chatted about a lot of things.

If he was in serious medical condition wouldn't he have gone by ambulance? :confused:

If he had taken some pills and denied it, they may not have seen the effect right away. Also in this case given the media circus the chief could have made a decision to drive him himself rather than wait for an ambulance.

Either way, clearly he had to be stabilized for the hospital to say that

[cloe23]

Suicide is indicative of an internal struggle, how do you reconcile that with what you think you know about George?

It is also against the law and the most selfish act a human can spew towards their family, friends and creditors. JMO

[n/t]

From the same article, I'm wondering what this means ~

Chitwood, who drove George Anthony to the hospital, told Local 6 News that he had expected to find him dead. He also said that George Anthony did not want to leave the hotel but did so after being issued an ultimatum.

What 'ultimatum'? I don't remember the Chief mentioning that last night on NG's show. :confused:

I'm guessing involuntary or voluntary? From what I understand George willingly went after a 20 minute discussion in the hotel room.

[WillowInFlight]

she wanted to divorce him but found out she had to pay alimony so she cancelled the divorce.

I know but that was years ago.

[spageddy]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered. I read back as far as I could while still coming back to join in today's discussion today.
I'm hearing about Cindy asking GA to pick out jewelry for Caylee to wear to the funeral. Would they put jewelry on skeletonized remains?It's kind of weird to think about- I guess I just assumed they would have a closed little casket and some nice photos. That in itself is difficult to think about. What did I misunderstand?

[HumblePie]

It is also against the law and the most selfish act a human can spew towards their family, friends and creditors. JMO


Of course it is. But at the time, death appears to be the greater good. I'm not condoning suicide. it's just a fact and people in great despair should be afforded some comfort and acceptance.

[sunstar]

He had two choices, either go willingly or unwillingly but either way he was going.

Oh that! thank you. :)

[tisamystery]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered. I read back as far as I could while still coming back to join in today's discussion today.
I'm hearing about Cindy asking GA to pick out jewelry for Caylee to wear to the funeral. Would they put jewelry on skeletonized remains?It's kind of weird to think about- I guess I just assumed they would have a closed little casket and some nice photos. That in itself is difficult to think about. What did I misunderstand?

I believe what is meant by this is the jewelry-like containers so family "wear" their lost loved ones ashes.

[Nellie]

True2Blues, thank you for the link. I will take a minute and check those out now. If this is the one I was referring to, I think it is really important that everyone should take a look. It puts Cindy into such a unique perspective. Thanks again. G/F this blue's for you!

January, what perspective? I remember the video you are speaking of.
I'm pretty sure NG showed it on tv.
But, George has lied too. It isn't just "Cindy's lies".
I sometimes feel sorry for Cindy and I don't even like her.
But, she gets it all dumped on her....she's responsible for what
Casey or George both do. What a heavy load!
George lies.....it's Cindy's fault because she is making him lie.
That's a load of crap to me. George isn't a child....he's a grown man!
He was even a police officer!!!! And he's told as many lies as she has
to obstruct justice! Why does he get a pass? I'm just so not understanding this lovefest for George while the hatefest for Cindy carries on. Yes, I have empathy for them. I can't imagine what they
are going through. But they have both lied and I'm just not feeling more empathy for George than Cindy. They're in the "same boat".

[bama__angel]

Huge grin inserted here. :biggrin: I think that eventually George is going to have to make a decision in his life to cut his losses with the wife that once loved him but obviously no longer does. It breaks my heart because I see George as a man that has spent a good portion of his life trying so hard to please the women in his life and not being able to, not through any fault of his own but because Cindy and Casey were never satisfied and never appreciative of the things they had. A good example is Cindy calling Caylee a MISTAKE. And complaining to co-workers that she is always stuck with Caylee all the time. I bet now, she WISHES she could have one more minute being "stuck" with Caylee. George has to decide if he wants to continue with someone that doesn't appreciate him for the man he once was and could be again, or change his life by doing something about it. I would say that Caylee was the only person that loved George unconditionally and without strings attached.


How do you know that George isnt the man now that he has always been? Do you know this family personally or do you know George lol?

[sunstar]

I'm guessing involuntary or voluntary? From what I understand George willingly went after a 20 minute discussion in the hotel room.

thanks ~ I did understand that last night but thought the article was talking about something I'd missed. :)

[SavannahStar]

Sorry if this has been asked and answered. I read back as far as I could while still coming back to join in today's discussion today.
I'm hearing about Cindy asking GA to pick out jewelry for Caylee to wear to the funeral. Would they put jewelry on skeletonized remains?It's kind of weird to think about- I guess I just assumed they would have a closed little casket and some nice photos. That in itself is difficult to think about. What did I misunderstand?


The report did not say pick out jewelry for Caylee to WEAR. That's what you misunderstood.

IMO.

[n/t]

If he had taken some pills and denied it, they may not have seen the effect right away. Also in this case given the media circus the chief could have made a decision to drive him himself rather than wait for an ambulance.

Either way, clearly he had to be stabilized for the hospital to say that

As far as I know there was no mention that he had actually taken pills. He could've just been really drunk. Would that be considered stabilize a patient? Sober him up? I doubt the Chief would take any chances if they had suspicions he was in serious medical condition.

[Mimi428]

Oh, give me two weeks with George, I could show him what a decent and loving wife is and give him his dignity back and restore his self esteem to boot. It never once occurred to me but I can see Cindy doing it.

OK, putting aside the last 3 days of George's life - what measures would you take to safeguard your finances while you are showing him what a decent & loving wife is?

Would you expect him to eventually work? If you do - but he won't keep a job, then what?

Would you expect him to contribute a proportionate amount of his income to the household expenses? If you do, but he does not hold up his end, then what?

Since marriage is the state you would be in - how much of the equity in your house do you think he should have, if it turns out he won't stay employed & if employed, won't pay his share of the bills?

How much of your retirement funds would you be willing to risk?

How many gambling losses would you be willing to cover? As in, out of money that YOU worked for?

Lawdy, I am half a-dither thinking of all the Al-Anon meetings absolutely full to the brim of women who thought, once upon a time, that some put-upon, broken down, kicked-in-the-jewels dude would change into the most fabulous, wonderful knight in shining armour, once he realized that they truly loved, trusted, stood up for, accepted & d@mn near would die for him.

<insert violin music here>

JMO

[Heyes]

Well that is really bizarre. Chief Chitwood was on the phone last night on NG and he said he's the one who drove George to the hospital. They even chit chatted about a lot of things.

If he was in serious medical condition wouldn't he have gone by ambulance? :confused:


IMO yes, he was in no medical distress, otherwise they would have loaded him into an ambulance. Liability and all. Also IMO george wanted attention, sympathy for the family,wanted that letter out there and is a drama queen. We've seen george's temper flare more than once. I think he has a raging temper, I also believe since we are told constantly by anthony attorneys be it biaz or conway that we NEED to respect their clients, :rolleyes:, that the image the anthonys want to portray and what it really is, bugs the he** out of them. I feel this whole incident was preplanned. I say hold on... since this in the long run won't work out the way they were hoping there will be another "stunt" coming down the pike. Long time until trial.
IMO

[sunstar]

I believe what is meant by this is the jewelry-like containers so family "wear" their lost loved ones ashes.

This would make more sense than putting jewelry in the casket since the last report I'd heard (from NG) was she was possibly going to be cremated. MOO

[rosieposett]

The way I go about it... I make a conscious decision on what I will believe & what I won't believe.


Sounds right to me.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think that George's attempt at suicide was a ploy...maybe a cry for help...but not a ploy.....I truly believe that this man has not been able to keep the lies going that is expected of him....I truly feel that he loved Caylee very much, probably more then all the rest of them, including her own mother....I believe that George wants to do the right thing but is swayed to do the wrong thing.....

Maybe, when he is finished talking to a theropist at that hospital, and he is told that ONLY when he faces the truth can he get some closure to all this.....

I believe that the defense is probably sick over him going to for observation, because they know what can happen when this takes place.....

The only way this family will get any closure is when they admit the fact that their daughter did this horrible thing....and if Cindy wants to salvage the rest of the family over this tragedy, she had better start listening to facts and come to terms on what her daughter has done....If not, it is going to destroy the whole family.....

But no way would the defense put George up to this...they would have more to lose then to gain.....AND, IF Casey had an ounce of concern for her family (which I'm sure she doesn't) she would fess up and stop putting her family thru this....they feel obligated and want to remain loyal to their daughter and that is not the smartest thing to do at this time.....They need closure and they need to salvage the rest of their family, without Casey...because she is going that is for sure....and the sooner they realize this the better.....JMOO

[VC2]

He had two choices, either go willingly or unwillingly but either way he was going.

that reminds me of a time police came to do a welfare check on me. The bank called them and i was ok although very upset ..they made a deal with me after talking to a neighbor who said yes she gets like that sometimes :blushing: that i could take my car and drive it to the hosptal with them following or go by ambulance. That way their butt was covered that i went and got checked out but i wasn't stuck with a hoopla and unable to get home an hour later. (it was 3 am and the local hospital was quiet so a doc was available right now).

I think they knew i was really ok when i asked if i could speed bc it would be the only time i got to speed without worrying about a ticket :laugh:

Cops often make decisions like that in psych cases, and even when someone has taken something they try to talk them into willingly going first if they don't look in extremis.

[VII]

From the same article, I'm wondering what this means ~

Chitwood, who drove George Anthony to the hospital, told Local 6 News that he had expected to find him dead. He also said that George Anthony did not want to leave the hotel but did so after being issued an ultimatum.


What 'ultimatum'? I don't remember the Chief mentioning that last night on NG's show. :confused:


probably something along the lines of....
"you appear to be at imminent risk of harm to self as evidenced by your wife/atty's report, pills, beer, text messages, and now the note we found in your car, George. As an officer of the law, I would be remiss in my duty if I did not encourage you to seek help. You have the choice to come with me now, voluntarily, or I'll have to take you into custody to seek the help you appear to so desparatley need"

George DID agree to go (save me the slapping on of the cuffs)
and the Sherriff DID go ahead and Baker Act so as to prevent him from telling the Docs what they wanted to hear for an early discharge.
IIR, once the Sherriff enacted the Baker Act, G has to stay the 72 hours.

jmo

[n/t]

thanks ~ I did understand that last night but thought the article was talking about something I'd missed. :)

LOL..the article also says stabilize like he was in some serious condition. From what we've heard so far he wasn't at all. He was brought the hospital for a mental evaluation.

Do we know when he'll be released? Last night they said he could've been released as early as this afternoon depending on the results of the evaluations.

[WillowInFlight]

Well, gee, you must have missed the bottom of my post where it says something to the effect that everything I say is considered my own opinion or my own theory unless I state it as FACT. But aside, here is how came to that theory. Because she gets a call from some cop telling her that her husband is on his way to the hospital for attempted suicide and she gets mad.......What's wrong with this picture?

Quite frankly I see nothing wrong with that picture, and it doesn't tell me she no longer loves him, If that was my husband I might even be a little mad wondering what the heck he was thinking, and who does he think he is leaving me to pick up the pieces. Nope I see nothing wrong with that picture.

[spageddy]

The report did not say pick out jewelry for Caylee to WEAR. That's what you misunderstood.

IMO.
Thank you Savannah & tis a mystery. I feel better now. I really hope the funeral is simple and dignified.

[tybek]

Thanks so much ~ I saw your post on the last thread and was trying to find something newer than the previously reported statement that he doesn't believe Casey harmed Caylee. I don't know which one to believe either. :confused:

I don't see the two different media reports as "contradictory"...one just contains more detail than the other on the contents of the note. The one Brat. linked says
"he only mentioned Casey Anthony a few times and said she was a strong determined person."

It doesn't say "HE ONLY SAID SHE WAS A STRONG AND DETERMINED PERSON" in the note, but that he ONLY MENTIONED HER A FEW TIMES, and that ONE of the things he said was "that she was a strong and determined person".

I provide the link to the other article not to present a contractiction to Brat., but because Brat wrote: "The new articles I read do not say he said that." I was linking it because indeed there are news articles out there that DID say it was in the letter. Again, I don't see it as contradictary reports, only that one elaborates more on what George said about Casey. JMO

[farrahrani]

I know that comment exists, my point is how do people know which one to believe when this article contradicts that one.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18545717/detail.html#-


I'm still confused as to what is contradicting in those two articles. >.< :confused:

One says he makes reference to Casey's friends. The other makes no mention of it. To me that is not contradicting, just not mentioning. Unless i missed it somewhere. I've done that before, lol.

If two books on President Washington were out, and one mentioned all of his wooden dentures, and the other made no note of it and instead focused on his youth, that is not contradicting that is just not mentioning also.

Help me out here?

[bama__angel]

Well, gee, you must have missed the bottom of my post where it says something to the effect that everything I say is considered my own opinion or my own theory unless I state it as FACT. But aside, find the offending post. Report the offending post. LOL :wink:


Bet you get tired of having to correct posters about the same s..t over and over again dont ya?

[shelbar53]

OK, putting aside the last 3 days of George's life - what measures would you take to safeguard your finances while you are showing him what a decent & loving wife is?

Would you expect him to eventually work? If you do - but he won't keep a job, then what?

Would you expect him to contribute a proportionate amount of his income to the household expenses? If you do, but he does not hold up his end, then what?

Since marriage is the state you would be in - how much of the equity in your house do you think he should have, if it turns out he won't stay employed & if employed, won't pay his share of the bills?

How much of your retirement funds would you be willing to risk?

How many gambling losses would you be willing to cover? As in, out of money that YOU worked for?

Lawdy, I am half a-dither thinking of all the Al-Anon meetings absolutely full to the brim of women who thought, once upon a time, that some put-upon, broken down, kicked-in-the-jewels dude would change into the most fabulous, wonderful knight in shining armour, once he realized that they truly loved, trusted, stood up for, accepted & d@mn near would die for him.

<insert violin music here>

JMO

I think cindy is an enabler, she enabled caseys behavior and she has enabled georges behavior.

[dixielover]

Well that is really bizarre. Chief Chitwood was on the phone last night on NG and he said he's the one who drove George to the hospital. They even chit chatted about a lot of things.

If he was in serious medical condition wouldn't he have gone by ambulance? :confused:


I have been saying this all day- in my area ( i am a trauma nurse) you have to call the ambulance if someone overdose due to seizure, respiratory distress etc). Maybe they didn't follow protocol but he sounded like he wasn't impaired in any way. jmo

[True2Blues]

January, what perspective? I remember the video you are speaking of.
I'm pretty sure NG showed it on tv.
But, George has lied too. It isn't just "Cindy's lies".
I sometimes feel sorry for Cindy and I don't even like her.
But, she gets it all dumped on her....she's responsible for what
Casey or George both do. What a heavy load!
George lies.....it's Cindy's fault because she is making him lie.
That's a load of crap to me. George isn't a child....he's a grown man!
He was even a police officer!!!! And he's told as many lies as she has
to obstruct justice! Why does he get a pass? I'm just so not understanding this lovefest for George while the hatefest for Cindy carries on. Yes, I have empathy for them. I can't imagine what they
are going through. But they have both lied and I'm just not feeling more empathy for George than Cindy. They're in the "same boat".

Actually, there are 4 parts to the video and it shows lies from all of the Anthonys.

[WillowInFlight]

I think they knew i was really ok when i asked if i could speed bc it would be the only time i got to speed without worrying about a ticket :laugh:


Respectfully snipped
VC you are truly a trip. :laugh:

[?noanswer]

So where does that leave it?


Maybe on an internet message board with everyone dissecting it for a months of Sundays. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

So I guess that doesn't count, then.

"I said I wanted a divorce. I never said I wanted a divorce."

Cindy is that you?

You don't know whether George has changed over the years, most people do change the older they get. You also don't know that Cindy no longer loves him.

[achristie]

I have to admit that I'm confused about the delay in laying the child to rest. A funeral is usually within a few days of even an unexpected death, yet in this case weeks have passed. I'm reading about jewelry that has yet to be purchased or arranged, people being told they are not invited to show their respects, and other very unusual things. Is the delay also related to filming the funeral or memorial service? I have to wonder why the family doesn't quietly, privately, and respectfully lay Caylee to rest, and leave everyone else out of it.

Of course, if there's a movie deal to be had, maybe the funeral has to be a big, filmed production.

Jester, you have a way of expressing exactly my thoughts. It bothers me that this sweet child has still not been laid to rest. And I agree, why not quietly, privately and respectfully get the job done? I think this family is so dysfunctional they don't have the skills to do anything quietly. Regina has alluded to money being involved. I think she may be right.

MOO Aggie

[shelbar53]

Another good point! Great observation, Shelbar! Hey blue is the new black!

im so used to regina' lamperts posts being in blue, i thought it was her at first. lol

[sunstar]

LOL..the article also says stabilize like he was in some serious condition. From what we've heard so far he wasn't at all. He was brought the hospital for a mental evaluation.

Do we know when he'll be released? Last night they said he could've been released as early as this afternoon depending on the results of the evaluations.

That's what was so nice about the Chief talking directly to NG last night ~ it came right from his mouth and not "lost in translation". :) I haven't heard any more about when George will be released but I do hope he is treated. MOO

[VC2]

As far as I know there was no mention that he had actually taken pills. He could've just been really drunk. Would that be considered stabilize a patient? Sober him up? I doubt the Chief would take any chances if they had suspicions he was in serious medical condition.

There have been some reports that he did take pills, in the links thread. Some say just empty bottles others that he took them.

I cant imagine a hospital spokesman saying they stabilized him just bc he was drunk. If he took the pills not to long before they found him within an hour or so he may have seemed ok at first.

Given there were empty pill bottles and a suicide threat there was more than enough suspicion that he could be trouble no matter how coherent he sounded (and i dont think chitwood ever said he was, just that he answered or said "you dont understand what its like" etc). It seems to me that they made a decision to drive him directly, how far is the hospital from where he was found? if its a few minutes then that makes sense even if he had slit his wrists given the wait time for an ambulance

I just don't think we know exactly what happened, we are getting snippets. Chitwood is not going to say that he took pills etc. and neither is the hospital. What the spokeswoman did say is enough to tell us he had a medical condition. Yesterday during the day too they said he was in the regular area, he went to the psych wing later.

[Barbara fl.]

IMO yes, he was in no medical distress, otherwise they would have loaded him into an ambulance. Liability and all. Also IMO george wanted attention, sympathy for the family,wanted that letter out there and is a drama queen. We've seen george's temper flare more than once. I think he has a raging temper, I also believe since we are told constantly by anthony attorneys be it biaz or conway that we NEED to respect their clients, :rolleyes:, that the image the anthonys want to portray and what it really is, bugs the he** out of them. I feel this whole incident was preplanned. I say hold on... since this in the long run won't work out the way they were hoping there will be another "stunt" coming down the pike. Long time until trial.
IMO


Do you really think that a family (no matter how they act) who lost a prescious granddaughter to murder and the murderer is their daughter, can really think this far ahead to set up a ploy? What would they gain? It would only make the jury hate Casey even more, it would only bring pity to the family and a sure conviction for Casey....So whay would they want to do this?....

I truly believe that George is stressed by all that has happened, by the lies he is asked to be saying, and all the evidence that is pileing up on his daughter.....He feels his world crumbling down.....

Maybe, just maybe, if he was to talk to someone and open up to them knowing that what he say's will not be publicized...just maybe he might open up and tell what he really feels to relieve the pain that he is holding inside....

I can not and will not judge a man that is going thru this....Although I might have handled this situation differently...I can not condem this man for handling it the way that it is expected of him by his family....

Hopefully his family will see that this is destroying the remainder of the family and come to their senses before there is no family left at all....I wouldn't want to see that.....JMOO

[Nellie]

Actually, there are 4 parts to the video and it shows lies from all of the Anthonys.

Yep, they all lie.
And Cindy is the fault of it all..... :confused:

[sunstar]

The Chief did say that they talked to George for about 20 minutes in the motel room before they gave him the choice of going voluntarily or they would have to baker act him, during that time wouldn't they have found out if he had taken any pills or not? I feel that this whole thing was blown out of proportion and George just wanted to get away and would have driven back to Orlando the next morning.

JMO

Part of me thinks the same thing only because if he really wanted to kill himself he had plenty of time before LE found him. Why prolong it so much that he was able to be traced through his cell phone, unless maybe it was just a 'cry for help' and he really didn't plan to follow through? MOO

[Neffy]

Well, gee, you must have missed the bottom of my post where it says something to the effect that everything I say is considered my own opinion or my own theory unless I state it as FACT. But aside, find the offending post. Report the offending post. LOL :wink:

You really need some originality.

You repeat what you were told by me "find the offending post. Report the offending post" adding your lol and a wink after I refused to be chased by you. You copied another posters blue font that she'd always used and yet you've repeatedly posted what another poster put together regarding Cindy and Casey being alike.

We won't even get into your case load and admonishing real lawyers on this forum for actually listing their credentials.

What's with all the fragments of others you incorporate into your post?

[cloe23]

Dear Cloe, always a hoot! Do I look like batman to you? No crimefighting here. I just feel very sad for George because I knew a man who was married to a woman just like Cindy and she never did see him for the decent person he was. Always putting him down, nothing ever good enough and nothing ever right. And now he has passed on and he died not not being strong enough to take that one step to change his own destiny. I think that's sad, don't you?.

In all reality once my DH and I get moved into this new home, he is going up on ebay.
Anywho whats up with the February funeral/memorial? This step forward for the A's has to be deeply disturbing. JMO
I'm cutting them some slack in this area. They loved that baby more then us.:mellow:

[Elle]

Hey there LandShark....

I believe that George was "loaded" big time....and some of his ramblings in the suicide notes were wishful thinking.....I believe that a sober...unemotional George <if that is at all possible considering the circumstances> is one who is FED UP WITH CINDY AND CASEYS BS,......Maybe he flipped for a while and wanted to get away from them and suicide seemed like his only out.....but then because he didnt follow through....SOME seem DISAPPOINTED......and SOME think he is not sincere.....well I for one have seen first hand someone who wanted to do it but didnt because deep down he knew what a mess he would leave..

There are many people who seem to be sympathetic to George, in a way explaining or justifying his behaviors, believing he must be "FED UP WITH CINDY AND CASEY"S BS" even casting her as a cause for contemplating suicide as you stated "Maybe he flipped for a while and wanted to get away from them and suicide seemed like his only out.
I want to state that I do not see George as a victim of Cindy. I believe he has alot more conrol and power and pulls alot more strings than alot of people give him 'credit' for.

I believe there to be much disfunction in this relationship, from both sides. I believe them both to be manipulators, Cindy to be overt and George to be covert. Cindy is pretty out there, George, much more controlled, quiet, subtle. While I think overt manipulators can be very powerful, I see the covert manipulator as moreso.

my father always told me to watch out for the quiet ones.

here is a paper on it, page 2 begins the discription of overt aggressive manipulation and covert aggressive manipulation.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/5563948/Manipulative-Behavior

I do not know what George's intent was in regards to suicide. I do believe both he and Cindy to be in alot of pain. The above has nothing to do with what just recently happened with George, but rather my take on his personality in general.

imo

[sunstar]

The Chief said that if he didn't go voluntarily he would have to baker act him.

JMO

Thank you and everybody else who answered my question! :)

[HumblePie]

You don't know whether George has changed over the years, most people do change the older they get. You also don't know that Cindy no longer loves him.

Having been in a marriage of long duration, I know that speculation about the Anthony marriage is just that, speculation. :blushing:

[n/t]

The Chief did say that they talked to George for about 20 minutes in the motel room before they gave him the choice of going voluntarily or they would have to baker act him, during that time wouldn't they have found out if he had taken any pills or not? I feel that this whole thing was blown out of proportion and George just wanted to get away and would have driven back to Orlando the next morning.

JMO

Well....Conway called John Allen and susbsequently made the 911 call per his instructions. Cindy filed the missing person report.

They had no choice but to follow up on the suicidal threats they received through text messages.

[tybek]

If he had taken some pills and denied it, they may not have seen the effect right away. Also in this case given the media circus the chief could have made a decision to drive him himself rather than wait for an ambulance.

Either way, clearly he had to be stabilized for the hospital to say that

Well, the articles I read also said he took "several" sleeping pills. Several could be as few as 3. For all we know he took 3 OTC unisoms which would be less that a legal over the counter dose in the U.K. It did occur to me that what he may have done was taken a few sleeping pills to ACTUALLY GET SOME SLEEP. Especially if they are mild ones, taking 3 might not be extreme. JMO

[dixielover]

Do we have any idea who he sent text messages imo

[Mamie]

From the same article, I'm wondering what this means ~

Chitwood, who drove George Anthony to the hospital, told Local 6 News that he had expected to find him dead. He also said that George Anthony did not want to leave the hotel but did so after being issued an ultimatum.

What 'ultimatum'? I don't remember the Chief mentioning that last night on NG's show. :confused:

I think the ultimatum was George could go either in cuffs or not in cuffs, but he was going whether he liked it or not. I do remember the Chief addressing the fact that he could not, in all good conscience, leave George there alone with all he had seen, the text messages, the letter, the empty pill bottle(s) or George's statement to him of how many he took and the 12 pack of newly purchased beer with only 4 left, plus the call from Orlando that started it all. JMO

[summer4meplz]

im so used to regina' lamperts posts being in blue, i thought it was her at first. lol


that's the whole point Shel.....

I can't believe they said MAYBE they can have Caylee's service early in February.......what's the hold up?

[VII]

Jester, you have a way of expressing exactly my thoughts. It bothers me that this sweet child has still not been laid to rest. And I agree, why not quietly, privately and respectfully get the job done? I think this family is so dysfunctional they don't have the skills to do anything quietly. Regina has alluded to money being involved. I think she may be right.

MOO Aggie

Jose' is involved and blocking the need to lay Caylee to rest.

That would CERTAINLY be a reason for one to feel hopeless, helpless, worthless ...

[Lavenia]

OK, putting aside the last 3 days of George's life - what measures would you take to safeguard your finances while you are showing him what a decent & loving wife is?

Would you expect him to eventually work? If you do - but he won't keep a job, then what?

Would you expect him to contribute a proportionate amount of his income to the household expenses? If you do, but he does not hold up his end, then what?

Since marriage is the state you would be in - how much of the equity in your house do you think he should have, if it turns out he won't stay employed & if employed, won't pay his share of the bills?

How much of your retirement funds would you be willing to risk?

How many gambling losses would you be willing to cover? As in, out of money that YOU worked for?

Lawdy, I am half a-dither thinking of all the Al-Anon meetings absolutely full to the brim of women who thought, once upon a time, that some put-upon, broken down, kicked-in-the-jewels dude would change into the most fabulous, wonderful knight in shining armour, once he realized that they truly loved, trusted, stood up for, accepted & d@mn near would die for him.

<insert violin music here>

JMO

Good post Mimi. Poor George. :rolleyes:

[tybek]

The Chief did say that they talked to George for about 20 minutes in the motel room before they gave him the choice of going voluntarily or they would have to baker act him, during that time wouldn't they have found out if he had taken any pills or not? I feel that this whole thing was blown out of proportion and George just wanted to get away and would have driven back to Orlando the next morning.

JMO

NT & mrlucky, I did read that he had "taken several sleeping pills". I'll look for the source and link it.

[shelbar53]

Do you really think that a family (no matter how they act) who lost a prescious granddaughter to murder and the murderer is their daughter, can really think this far ahead to set up a ploy? What would they gain? It would only make the jury hate Casey even more, it would only bring pity to the family and a sure conviction for Casey....So whay would they want to do this?....

I truly believe that George is stressed by all that has happened, by the lies he is asked to be saying, and all the evidence that is pileing up on his daughter.....He feels his world crumbling down.....

Maybe, just maybe, if he was to talk to someone and open up to them knowing that what he say's will not be publicized...just maybe he might open up and tell what he really feels to relieve the pain that he is holding inside....


I can not and will not judge a man that is going thru this....Although I might have handled this situation differently...I can not condem this man for handling it the way that it is expected of him by his family....

Hopefully his family will see that this is destroying the remainder of the family and come to their senses before there is no family left at all....I wouldn't want to see that.....JMOO

They set up fake live sightings. In light of the devastating document release about the heart sticker and caylee being wrapped in a pooh blanket, I think they were at witts end, had to divert attention away from all that.

[WillowInFlight]

Having been in a marriage of long duration, I know that speculation about the Anthony marriage is just that, speculation. :blushing:

I have been with my hubby for 30 years and if I had a nickle for every time I got mad or thought of divorce, I would be living on an island where it never goes belong 80, and dining on lobster every night. And I can honestly say I love that man as much today as I did 30 years.

[Neffy]

that's the whole point Shel.....

I can't believe they said MAYBE they can have Caylee's service early in February.......what's the hold up?

I guess it's some kind of homeage being paid to us :shrug: whatever.

Did you notice Conways annoyance in his interview about waiting until February for the funeral?

[shelbar53]

that's the whole point Shel.....

I can't believe they said MAYBE they can have Caylee's service early in February.......what's the hold up?

I want to type in another color

[cloe23]

The Chief did say that they talked to George for about 20 minutes in the motel room before they gave him the choice of going voluntarily or they would have to baker act him, during that time wouldn't they have found out if he had taken any pills or not? I feel that this whole thing was blown out of proportion and George just wanted to get away and would have driven back to Orlando the next morning.

JMO

I am glad that George agreed to go. I have seen judges come in wearing sweats in the middle of the night carrying a gavel to mandate this 72hr stay. IMO George knew what the consequence's were from his actions.

[Barbara fl.]

The Chief did say that they talked to George for about 20 minutes in the motel room before they gave him the choice of going voluntarily or they would have to baker act him, during that time wouldn't they have found out if he had taken any pills or not? I feel that this whole thing was blown out of proportion and George just wanted to get away and would have driven back to Orlando the next morning.

JMO


I believe that was also a possibllity...that he just needed to get away for awhile...I also believe that he missed Caylee very much and that he is probably the only one that was very attached to her.....This has got to be a very hard thing for anyone to go thru....And I truly think that George is the more honest of them all and that too is bothering him to have to retrack his statements for Cindy's sake or for the sake of helping Casey (the one who took Caylee from them) and the one who created this whole scenerio.....

I hope George can one day find closure that can help him to get thru life.....

Casey isn't worth the floor of the cell she is in.....MOO

[True2Blues]

It's just so sad when you see these videos and remember that little Caylee's picture is in the middle of the four people who are supposed to love her the most, lying like Persian rugs throughout the entire series. Poor little Caylee. And again, thanks for these links, True. You are a gem!

It's terrible to think that innocent little child was caught in the middle of those people. She has been murdered and not one of them can has shown any concern for anything but themselves.

[shelbar53]

I have been with my hubby for 30 years and if I had a nickle for every time I got mad or thought of divorce, I would be living on an island where it never goes belong 80, and I was dining on lobster every night. And I can honestly say I love that man as much today as I did 30 years.

cindy seems to have little respect for george. she talks so badly about him in public. to tell her co workers casey yells at him. I would be ashamed if my daughter yelled at my husband and I certainly wouldnt tell people about it. I think the running joke around the house was how 'dad" didnt have a job.

there is no respect for george in that family...poor guy bein the butt of jokes.

[Neffy]

The Chief did say that they talked to George for about 20 minutes in the motel room before they gave him the choice of going voluntarily or they would have to baker act him, during that time wouldn't they have found out if he had taken any pills or not? I feel that this whole thing was blown out of proportion and George just wanted to get away and would have driven back to Orlando the next morning.



JMO

I didnt' see it personally but going from other posters I guess there is a video of George walking to the car. Had half of what's being report been true I can't fathom his walking on his own. :shrug:

[sunstar]

Jose' is involved and blocking the need to lay Caylee to rest.

That would CERTAINLY be a reason for one to feel hopeless, helpless, worthless ...

It seems way overdue that Caylee is finally laid to rest. Yes, I've heard the reports that he's still waiting for toxicology results and so forth but I'm really beginning to think it's just stalling and further tormenting Caylee's grandparents. MOO

[Barbara fl.]

They set up fake live sightings. In light of the devastating document release about the heart sticker and caylee being wrapped in a pooh blanket, I think they were at witts end, had to divert attention away from all that.


I totally agree with you...they did stage some sightings....I believe they knew all along that Caylee was deceased and by the hands of their own daughter.....I also believe that they tried their darndest to protect Casey even after she did such a horrible thing....

I jus cannot find it in my heart to feel that this (George being in the Hospital) a ploy....I think this the the first real and honest thing that has occured since this tragedy...I feel that George just couldn't come up to Lee's and Cindy's expectations of lying....I truly feel that George does miss Caylee, more then we can imagine.....

Hopefully this will knock some sense into Cindy and Lee and see just what more can happen to this family and if they ever want to heal from this they have to start with the truth.....I hope, in any case....moo

[Nellie]

cindy seems to have little respect for george. she talks so badly about him in public. to tell her co workers casey yells at him. I would be ashamed if my daughter yelled at my husband and I certainly wouldnt tell people about it. I think the running joke around the house was how 'dad" didnt have a job.

there is no respect for george in that family...poor guy bein the butt of jokes.

Did he earn respect?
Why does this man get a "pass" on everything and all the blame gets heaped on Cindy?

[VII]

It still bothers me that Caylee is laying in a box after laying in a garbage bag by the side of the road for 6 months.

My Uncle died unexpectedly last tuesday and he was buried on Monday.
He has been respectfully laid to rest. RIP Uncle Walter.

Now we hear that the Anthonys may, hopefully, have a memorial service for Caylee sometime in February?

Lets see thats 8 months after her murder, and 2+ months since her body was finally located.

Oh and February, how about the 14th Cindy?

Then you may be able to trademark/copyright hearts.

Ya thats it, Feb 14th. :cursing:


She's planning on February in HOPES that Jose' releases to THEM the RIGHT to bury THEIR Granddaughter.

[shelbar53]

I didnt' see it personally but going from other posters I guess there is a video of George walking to the car. Had half of what's being report been true I can't fathom his walking on his own. :shrug:

Yes I saw the video of him walking to the car, it also looked like someone was holding an IV bag. so I think the EMT's put in an IV but yet he went in the police car not ambulance.

[kitty1182]

It seems way overdue that Caylee is finally laid to rest. Yes, I've heard the reports that he's still waiting for toxicology results and so forth but I'm really beginning to think it's just stalling and further tormenting Caylee's grandparents. MOO

I bet Casey is loving every minute of it too..:angry:

[Mimi428]

I'm afraid you already have. Based on your posts, you believe there was nothing G&C could have done to prevent Casey's bad outcome, and therefore, Caylee's death. You believe nothing could've been done, so that's what you see. See? That's your "trap." imo :smile:

Before I came to that belief, I heard about the story on the news, which pretty much set my alarms off. Then I heard Casey on the phone call home. At that point, I pretty much believed she fit into the small percentage of people who are stone-cold psychopaths. Based on other things I have learned over the years, I do believe there is such a strong genetic component in that small group of people, that nurture will not overcome it.

If the very first thing I ever heard about the case was in finding out about the heart sticker on the duct tape over Caylee's mouth, that would have initiated a belief that psychopathy was probably at work.

Seeing Casey's behavior on tape with her parents on 8/14 would be another thing that would have made me strongly suspect psychopathy, even if I knew not one other thing about the case.

However, should we find out that there were specific & extreme incidents in Casey's life beginning at an early age, I am perfectly capable of changing my mind about her.

JMO

[Neffy]

Yes I saw the video of him walking to the car, it also looked like someone was holding an IV bag. so I think the EMT's put in an IV but yet he went in the police car not ambulance.

Wow it's the first time I've heard that! I wonder why the IV? Especially on someone walking!

[VC2]

Respectfully snipped
VC you are truly a trip. :laugh:

Well when you deal with chronic depression and major anxiety disorder effects, you may as well roll with the flow. Poor cops. A kitten managed to get out last fall was immediately killed. I called them hysterically saying i needed them to come and dig a grave for her. Now given my depression i wasn't in the best of shape plus have a history of welfare checks, so along came two cops, they dug the grave and i buried her.

Another time my ex took my words "no tomorrows to late i want to talk now" to mean i was going to hurt myself and called the cops. I opened the door saying "i am fine guys just angry at him!" but of course they had to come in etc. so i looked at them and it was mid february, i had an enormous xmas tree that i couldn't get out alone - my bf was from another city so i said "well since you are here you can take my tree out" youngest one, a rookie looked horrified and said there are ornaments on it to which i said "well sit down, will take 5 mins to get them off" and the senior one was great, even helped me. Then he came back an hour later, told me that once he believed a woman was fine but had a bad feeling, went back to find her unconscious on the floor so now he always does. offered him a coffee and we became really good friends.

Maybe that is why i am having such trouble with the skeptism, depression hits in all sorts of ways as does suicidal ideation. In Georges situation he is ripe for it, and doesn't have to be planned. Sometimes you think you will but you try not to so take what you need (like the pills) with you and then try a geographic cure - getting the motel room in another city.

So far the chief of police and the hospital have all said he needs to be there. Going on a binge is not enough to baker act you for the full 72 hours and he would have been released last night if that was the case. However even if he is released today that doesn't make it any less serious or real. Just means that he is no longer an imminent danger - they can still be clinically depressed.

[AlohaRainbow]

Well that is really bizarre. Chief Chitwood was on the phone last night on NG and he said he's the one who drove George to the hospital. They even chit chatted about a lot of things.

If he was in serious medical condition wouldn't he have gone by ambulance? :confused:
i don't think it's been revealed what medical condition they needed to "stabilize"... doesn't necessarily mean it was a "serious" condition (although it doesn't discount it being serious, either).

it could have been anything from high blood pressure (we know he takes pills for hypertension) to low blood pressure (if he took too many!) to a slow or fast heart rate (depending on whether he took other pills, i.e. the "sleeping" pills that have been reported), to irregular heartbeat (benign variety or more pronounced) to low/high blood sugar to elevated blood alcohol level, to an electrolyte imbalance (potassium, calcium, sodium, etc.), to whatever... iow, anything from soup to nuts.

[dixielover]

Yes I saw the video of him walking to the car, it also looked like someone was holding an IV bag. so I think the EMT's put in an IV but yet he went in the police car not ambulance.

He didn' t have an IV in his arm-EMT would not put an IV in and stick him in a police car- I know jmo

[shelbar53]

Did he earn respect?
Why does this man get a "pass" on everything and all the blame gets heaped on Cindy?

Oh no you misunderstood me. I dont like george, I think he is a gutless liar and I hope he gets charged for lying to the FBI and police.

My point was, I dont think anyone in the family respected him and part of love is respect.

I also think george was a big liar in the FBI interview and he didnt come clean about anything and what he did say was lies. Actually he came across as a big dumb stick.

Ok, ya clear on my feelings about george? :biggrin:

[Cury-us Coyote]

That's what was so nice about the Chief talking directly to NG last night ~ it came right from his mouth and not "lost in translation". :) I haven't heard any more about when George will be released but I do hope he is treated. MOO

Is it just me or do others see a methodology difference in the Volusia Co LE and Orange Co LE publicly reported events surrounding GA actions in Daytona? IIRC, WFTV was the first media outlet to report GA was missing, followed by other news outlets and the reappearance of 24-hour cameras at the A’s home and hospital. Monitoring and reporting upon police frequencies and search dog activities surrounding the A’s home is understandable, IMO. A Volusia LE police chief sharing the content of private potentially health-related conversations and notes is more difficult to justify, IMO. The hospital spokesperson only confirmed the patient’s high-level status but refused to disclose details. GA’s own attorney appeared to perpetuate the situation and continued focus upon the topic, IMO.
jmho

[shelbar53]

He didn' t have an IV in his arm-EMT would not put an IV in and stick him in a police car- I know jmo

sorry but he did have an IV, I saw the pics. did you see them?

[Neffy]

He didn' t have an IV in his arm-EMT would not put an IV in and stick him in a police car- I know jmo

LOL Anyone remember where this video originated. I think it could use revisiting. I'd like to see anyway. Problem is I've seen many articles replace information on existing articles and George's crisis intervention is getting difficult to find who said what on and when.

[dixielover]

Well when you deal with chronic depression and major anxiety disorder effects, you may as well roll with the flow. Poor cops. A kitten managed to get out last fall was immediately killed. I called them hysterically saying i needed them to come and dig a grave for her. Now given my depression i wasn't in the best of shape plus have a history of welfare checks, so along came two cops, they dug the grave and i buried her.

Another time my ex took my words "no tomorrows to late i want to talk now" to mean i was going to hurt myself and called the cops. I opened the door saying "i am fine guys just angry at him!" but of course they had to come in etc. so i looked at them and it was mid february, i had an enormous xmas tree that i couldn't get out alone - my bf was from another city so i said "well since you are here you can take my tree out" youngest one, a rookie looked horrified and said there are ornaments on it to which i said "well sit down, will take 5 mins to get them off" and the senior one was great, even helped me. Then he came back an hour later, told me that once he believed a woman was fine but had a bad feeling, went back to find her unconscious on the floor so now he always does. offered him a coffee and we became really good friends.

Maybe that is why i am having such trouble with the skeptism, depression hits in all sorts of ways as does suicidal ideation. In Georges situation he is ripe for it, and doesn't have to be planned. Sometimes you think you will but you try not to so take what you need (like the pills) with you and then try a geographic cure - getting the motel room in another city.

So far the chief of police and the hospital have all said he needs to be there. Going on a binge is not enough to baker act you for the full 72 hours and he would have been released last night if that was the case. However even if he is released today that doesn't make it any less serious or real. Just means that he is no longer an imminent danger - they can still be clinically depressed.

I agree- I think he is definitely clinical depressed- how could you not be in his situation- dead gd, murderer for a daughter, 24/7 with Cindy and probably got a guilty conscience to boot. Most of us would be depressed with just spending time with CA- I still do not trust any of the anthonys or their lawyers. They all need some psychiatric help and get back to work. imo

[Barbara fl.]

ITA, Barbara. Without Caylee. They will still have PPOF.

Sorry exchange, don't 'cha think?


JMO


I seen this happening being the very first time that I ever saw any pain for Caylee from that family and the sooner they can get over the bad pain, the sooner they can deal with the rest....George was the first to break (that is how I see it)...hopefully the rst will follow.....

George needed to grieve and I think Cindy and Lee weren't allowing that...Hopefully they will see what this is truly doing to the family...jmoo

[dixielover]

LOL Anyone remember where this video originated. I think it could use revisiting. I'd like to see anyway. Problem is I've seen many articles replace information on existing articles and George's crisis intervention is getting difficult to find who said what on and when.

I doubt if we will ever know what really happened especially regarding the medicine part of it due to HIPPA unless of course there is a person who leaks that information from inside the hospital or LE imo

[shelbar53]

LOL Anyone remember where this video originated. I think it could use revisiting. I'd like to see anyway. Problem is I've seen many articles replace information on existing articles and George's crisis intervention is getting difficult to find who said what on and when.

look at pic 6

http:///www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

[cloe23]

im so used to regina' lamperts posts being in blue, i thought it was her at first. lol

January can you please shut off the lights?

[RiverWalk]

I didnt' see it personally but going from other posters I guess there is a video of George walking to the car. Had half of what's being report been true I can't fathom his walking on his own. :shrug:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

[summer4meplz]

She's planning on February in HOPES that Jose' releases to THEM the RIGHT to bury THEIR Granddaughter.

casey is in charge ....as usual imo

[Neffy]

People do have the right to refuse an ambulance. It was stated last night that there was a previous case where someone had overdosed in a suicide attempt and because they refused treatment the EMT's had to wait until the person passed out before they could take them to the hospital. If George refused it, and agreed only on the condition of a ride with the Chief then that seems like a reasonable alternative to me to waiting until he was almost dead.

No I agree with a right to refuse it. From what I'm reading my point was he was coherrent and walking. I never heard that an ambulance was suggested let alone it was and he refused one. Today is the first time I've read anything about an IV.

Every article I've did come across seems to be in conflict with the previous one.

I've never seen such a confusion of reporting something that seems it should have been cut and dry.

[VC2]

Wow it's the first time I've heard that! I wonder why the IV? Especially on someone walking!

That makes sense. If he didn't want to go in an ambulance they compromised on starting medical treatment and driving him. So long as he was not in obvious distress at the moment, they start fluids (which are miracles, i have seen cats and ppl turn around 180 degrees just from fluids) drive him, perhaps an ambulance followed.

An IV is always the first thing done bc not only do fluids help in most situations including overdoses it gives an easy and immediate port to give other drugs when needed.

[gaelicpeas]

Yes I saw the video of him walking to the car, it also looked like someone was holding an IV bag. so I think the EMT's put in an IV but yet he went in the police car not ambulance.
Oh is THAT what that thing was! An IV. I have been trying to figure out what that thing was - it looked like something bopping on the back of that guy leaning in the door!

ETA: I thought we had had another ghost sighting like when Shirley was in the backyard during one of C&G's interviews in their house!

[Nellie]

Oh no you misunderstood me. I dont like george, I think he is a gutless liar and I hope he gets charged for lying to the FBI and police.

My point was, I dont think anyone in the family respected him and part of love is respect.

I also think george was a big liar in the FBI interview and he didnt come clean about anything and what he did say was lies. Actually he came across as a big dumb stick.

Ok, ya clear on my feelings about george? :biggrin:

LOL...I think I DID misunderstand you! Sorry about that.
I think I'm clear on your feelings now! :laugh:
I just keep reading on here how everything George does is because of Cindy.....and I'm sick of the passes being givien to him and the blame being heaped on Cindy. And I don't like either one of them. Cindy has probably had to become the type of person she is because she's been married to him. Someone has to be "in charge" and it has probably always been left to her to handle it all. IMO, they are both at fault for the lies and the charades and I can't blame her if she was "angry" with George for his latest stunt. I would be surprised to find it was the first time he's ever pulled this. So now with this latest chapter, he has become such a sympathetic figure to so many and she's become a bigger witch to some. I'm beginning to feel sorry for Cindy....and I don't like her! LOL!

[Neffy]

I doubt if we will ever know what really happened especially regarding the medicine part of it due to HIPPA unless of course there is a person who leaks that information from inside the hospital or LE imo

Now that I agree with and as it should be regarding what George takes for heart related problems.

[5boxersmom]

LOL Anyone remember where this video originated. I think it could use revisiting. I'd like to see anyway. Problem is I've seen many articles replace information on existing articles and George's crisis intervention is getting difficult to find who said what on and when.

Here is the video. I do not see an IV.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

[Elle]

Is it just me or do others see a methodology difference in the Volusia Co LE and Orange Co LE publicly reported events surrounding GA actions in Daytona? IIRC, WFTV was the first media outlet to report GA was missing, followed by other news outlets and the reappearance of 24-hour cameras at the A’s home and hospital. Monitoring and reporting upon police frequencies and search dog activities surrounding the A’s home is understandable, IMO. A Volusia LE police chief sharing the content of private potentially health-related conversations and notes is more difficult to justify, IMO. The hospital spokesperson only confirmed the patient’s high-level status but refused to disclose details. GA’s own attorney appeared to perpetuate the situation and continued focus upon the topic, IMO.
jmho


Do you know where it is that Baez is hoping to get the trial moved to?

[Nellie]

Oh is THAT what that thing was! An IV. I have been trying to figure out what that thing was - it looked like something bopping on the back of that guy leaning in the door!

ETA: I thought we had had another ghost sighting like when Shirley was in the backyard during one of C&G's interviews in their house!

Anyone got a link to this video?
I'd sure like to see it!

[dixielover]

That makes sense. If he didn't want to go in an ambulance they compromised on starting medical treatment and driving him. So long as he was not in obvious distress at the moment, they start fluids (which are miracles, i have seen cats and ppl turn around 180 degrees just from fluids) drive him, perhaps an ambulance followed.

An IV is always the first thing done bc not only do fluids help in most situations including overdoses it gives an easy and immediate port to give other drugs when needed.

I would be fired if I ever started a IV and then allow the person to get in a cop car- no way- who else got in the car to hold the IV above the arm- weird! imo

[Cury-us Coyote]

The Chief said that if he didn't go voluntarily he would have to baker act him.

JMO

Is there a video to better understand the sequence of events? Reportedly a portion of the alleged note was found in GA's vehicle. Apparently LE was unable or failed to obtain GA's keys which necessiated forced entry into the HTH where the note was located. Was the vehicle entered before or after GA's departure to hospital with the Chief? When was car note written? A family friend reportedly drove GA's car to Orlando later persumably with car keys.
jmo

[legalmania]

Hi Cury do you have a clip handy of George walking to the car?

[kitty1182]

Here is the video. I do not see an IV.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

I've watched it over and over and I don't see one either..

[aubrey04]

I wonder why Nancy Grace's transcripts aren't up from last nights show. I wanted to review who said that Cindy was annoyed by George's suicide threat but I keep checking and it is not there. :(

[cassidy]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

I just watched the video. He wasn't holding anything and no one handed him anything when he got into the car. I didn't see and IV???

[WillowInFlight]

So now that you're done pointing out my lack of personal knowledge of these people, and shooting down my theories, can we move ahead?
You are done, aren't you?

I was until you just quoted me.

[sunstar]

I bet Casey is loving every minute of it too..:angry:

I agree. I didn't hear of her having any kind of reaction after learning her dad planned suicide either. It just seems she doesn't care about anybody but herself. MOO

[5boxersmom]

I believe that is because it looks like they switched vehicles after that video. These pictures are in order. I could be wrong but we do not really know since that video is so short.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

The video shows George getting in the Chiefs car. Pic 6 is Georges car.

jmo

[kitty1182]

I agree. I didn't hear of her having any kind of reaction after learning her dad planned suicide either. It just seems she doesn't care about anybody but herself. MOO


She doesn't. IMO

[VC2]

I would be fired if I ever started a IV and then allow the person to get in a cop car- no way- who else got in the car to hold the IV above the arm- weird! imo

umm admittedly it was in a cat but i use the suit handle in the top of the car to hang the IV

[WillowInFlight]

I agree- I think he is definitely clinical depressed- how could you not be in his situation- dead gd, murderer for a daughter, 24/7 with Cindy and probably got a guilty conscience to boot. Most of us would be depressed with just spending time with CA- I still do not trust any of the anthonys or their lawyers. They all need some psychiatric help and get back to work. imo

Dixie I can only imagine the guilt that they must feel, I wonder if they will go through life playing the "what if" game.

[tybek]

NT & mrlucky, I did read that he had "taken several sleeping pills". I'll look for the source and link it.

OK, here are two links related to George taking pills..the first directly says he took sleeping pills, and the second implies it.

2 links: the first says George took "several sleeping pills", the second says Cindy saw that his sleeping medication was missing, and quotes Anthony's Attorney Brad Conway saying "Had it not been for (law-enforcement), this might have been a different outcome," and says "Attorney Conway said law enforcement told him George Anthony had consumed some of the prescribed medication and was drinking alcohol while in the motel room."


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-george-anthony-caylee-012309,0,7934495.story?page=2

[shelbar53]

look at pic 6

http:///www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

oops one to many slashes in that link let me try that again,. sorry

pic 6

http:///www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html)

[Nellie]

Here is the video. I do not see an IV.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

Nope, I didn't see an IV either. He walked there with no help.
I think this was a sympathy ploy or a cry for help...or both.
But I'm not so sure I believe he intended to commit suicide.
But, whatever it was, it sure did work up a lot of sympathy for him imo.
What kind of LE would slap such a despondent man with a obstruction charge now? Can you imagine the public outcry?

[sunstar]

Do you know where it is that Baez is hoping to get the trial moved to?

The latest I've heard is Jacksonville. But before that it was an area south of Tampa. :shrug: MOO

[legalmania]

I've watched it over and over and I don't see one either..

I didn't see one either and I don't think the paramedics would give someone an I.V. and then let them leave, because if something went wrong they could be held responsible.

[cassidy]

oops one to many slashes in that link let me try that again,. sorry

pic 6

http:///www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html)

Pic 6 is Georges car and they are trying to get the lock open.

[Elle]

The latest I've heard is Jacksonville. But before that it was an area south of Tampa. :shrug: MOO

Thank you sunstar

[legalmania]

The latest I've heard is Jacksonville. But before that it was an area south of Tampa. :shrug: MOO

I was thinking Daytona because one of the people being interviewed said they don't get much information about the case there.

[Regina.Lampert]

I wonder why Nancy Grace's transcripts aren't up from last nights show. I wanted to review who said that Cindy was annoyed by George's suicide threat but I keep checking and it is not there. :(

Hiya Aubrey, I'm checking too. It was Drew Petrameux in his report, he said that cynthia was angry and Kerry Sanders of NBC said it today.

[bchand]

im so used to regina' lamperts posts being in blue, i thought it was her at first. lol

The joke-of-the-day seems to be to hijack Regina's color. Doesn't take much to amuse some folks I guess.

[sunstar]

I didn't see one either and I don't think the paramedics would give someone an I.V. and then let them leave, because if something went wrong they could be held responsible.

They wouldn't. If EMS had started an IV or given him anything, he'd be transported by them to hospital. MOO

[Nellie]

oops one to many slashes in that link let me try that again,. sorry

pic 6

http:///www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html)

NO IV. Is this the picture that supposedly shows an IV?
Pic 6 is a pic of them getting into George's car. Not an IV.

[shelbar53]

I had one to many slashes in the last link. look at pic 6

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

[Neffy]

look at pic 6

http:///www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

Thanks shelbar but I could't get this opened. I did get the other posters links open. Is this different TIA

[5boxersmom]

Pic 6 is Georges car and they are trying to get the lock open.

Yep I believe that is what they are doing.

jmo

[shelbar53]

NO IV. Is this the picture that supposedly shows an IV?
Pic 6 is a pic of them getting into George's car. Not an IV.

its the pic of the emt holding something in the air, its an iv with the tubing

[Neffy]

I had one to many slashes in the last link. look at pic 6

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

OH good thought I was having computer problems but know that it opens I can't really tell.

[cassidy]

I had one to many slashes in the last link. look at pic 6

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html


Ok I looked again. Pic 6 is LE using a tool to get into Georges car. It's parked outside the motel room.

[tybek]

I agree- I think he is definitely clinical depressed- how could you not be in his situation- dead gd, murderer for a daughter, 24/7 with Cindy and probably got a guilty conscience to boot. Most of us would be depressed with just spending time with CA- I still do not trust any of the anthonys or their lawyers. They all need some psychiatric help and get back to work. imo

bolded the relevant section...dixie...I'm pretty sure I read in one of the articles yesterday after all this about George broke that he was being treated for depression prior to this incident Maybe someone else saw it too and recalls it. If not, I'll try to find it.

[sunstar]

I was thinking Daytona because one of the people being interviewed said they don't get much information about the case there.

I'm surprised ~ it's less than 60 mi. away.

[VC2]

I didn't see one either and I don't think the paramedics would give someone an I.V. and then let them leave, because if something went wrong they could be held responsible.

Well first of all, we don't know that an emt was not in the car as well. However if the ambulance is following no problem driving him.

I don't see how they could take him to hospital with empty pill bottles in the trash WITHOUT starting an IV no matter what he said. The hospital spokeswoman says they stabilized him, the police chief was circumspect but extremely definite that he was suicidal, and yet somehow we are to believe that its all a ploy?

[cassidy]

its the pic of the emt holding something in the air, its an iv with the tubing

No. Unless the EMT is planning on running alongside the car holding the IV. The door is closed and that's a tool used to get doors unlocked.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Hi Cury do you have a clip handy of George walking to the car?

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

[cloe23]

I will in a moment, for you anything! Since Neffy was the one who implied that the blue was "taken" I just thought I would point out that blue is alive and well in the color palette and still available! :thumbsup:



This case has hit me hard, I am not dealing with it like I expected.
Sorry.

[Unperson1984]

I believe that is because it looks like they switched vehicles after that video. These pictures are in order. I could be wrong but we do not really know since that video is so short.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html


That's not an IV, it's the tool LE uses to open a locked car.

In California once an IV is established the EMT must stay with the patient until they arrive at the hospital.

[Nellie]

its the pic of the emt holding something in the air, its an iv with the tubing

All I see is someone who looks like they are using some kind of "tool" to open up George's car back at the hotel....after George was already taken off to the hospital by the Sheriff. No IV tubing....but some kind of bar for opening up a locked car door. JMO Probably not an emt either.

[sunstar]

Thank you sunstar

You're most welcome but I'm sure JB will come up with another location before he's done! :) MOO

[Nellie]

No. Unless the EMT is planning on running alongside the car holding the IV. The door is closed and that's a tool used to get doors unlocked.

EXACTLY!
I did get a chuckle out of your visual of the emt running alongside the car holding an IV. :laugh:

[shelbar53]

I didn't imply anything. I asked you why your imitating Regina? She told you that she used it to find her posts. You don't like her doing that? However I did point out that there is a list of other colors to choose from if you thought her idea was a good one.

You pay alot of homage to us is what I'm finding. I guess imitation is the best form of flattery.

What? noone is allowed to use blue? OMG that is childish. I think the color pallatte is for anyone to use and besides who cares anyways. I dont like when people use light colores, to hard to read.

I worked all day and want to view opinons about the heart stickers and laundy bag and when people think casey actually killed caylee..not a fight about colors or who loved who more and if george had an iv or not...

[cassidy]

All I see is someone who looks like they are using some kind of "tool" to open up George's car back at the hotel....after George was already taken off to the hospital by the Sheriff. No IV tubing....but some kind of bar for opening up a locked car door. JMO Probably not an emt either. Right. And the next picture is the same guy with the door open and no one in there.

[legalmania]

its the pic of the emt holding something in the air, its an iv with the tubing

it' and illusion, I believe there were using a slim jim to open the door.

[dixielover]

That's not an IV, it's the tool LE uses to open a locked car.

In California once an IV is established the EMT must stay with the patient until they arrive at the hospital.

same here in TN- we can not leave the pt imi

[legalmania]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

Thank you, I knew I could count on you.

[cloe23]

Is it just me or do others see a methodology difference in the Volusia Co LE and Orange Co LE publicly reported events surrounding GA actions in Daytona? IIRC, WFTV was the first media outlet to report GA was missing, followed by other news outlets and the reappearance of 24-hour cameras at the A’s home and hospital. Monitoring and reporting upon police frequencies and search dog activities surrounding the A’s home is understandable, IMO. A Volusia LE police chief sharing the content of private potentially health-related conversations and notes is more difficult to justify, IMO. The hospital spokesperson only confirmed the patient’s high-level status but refused to disclose details. GA’s own attorney appeared to perpetuate the situation and continued focus upon the topic, IMO.
jmho

Just wanted to thank you for all the links you post.:smile:

[Cury-us Coyote]

FWIW Geraldo at Large This Weekend:
• And, the latest on the Caylee Anthony case
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

[5boxersmom]

The letters that were found with the remains. Wonder if they were at one time on Caylee's shirt. Like iron on type things? If so I wonder if they found the kit at the home. Wonder if it was her name?

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

I will in a moment, for you anything! Since Neffy was the one who implied that the blue was "taken" I just thought I would point out that blue is alive and well in the color palette and still available! :thumbsup:

Since I have been using it all day I seriously doubt that Neffy was under the impression that it wasn't alive.

I don't care who uses the blue font, it's my favorite color and I like it.

The posts from today speak for themselves and if anyone has questions why you and the others started using the blue font, all they have to do is read back.

[gaelicpeas]

The letters that were found with the remains. Wonder if they were at one time on Caylee's shirt. Like iron on type things? If so I wonder if they found the kit at the home. Wonder if it was her name?

jmoYes, I was wondering what the letters spelled also.

[dixielover]

Yes, and I think it's a good thing that he is away from that house.

JMO

I wish he would enter a psy unit for awhile- I don't think it is going to be good for him to go back home- doesn't GA have any family other than Lee and CA- someone needs to come and take him away from all this mess. I know I would have to get away from it. imo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Do you know where it is that Baez is hoping to get the trial moved to?


No idea where but a Fox 35 video predicted COV MAY be discussed at Friday's 1/30 Motion Hearing.
jmo

[sunstar]

FWIW Geraldo at Large This Weekend:
• And, the latest on the Caylee Anthony case
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

thanks for the warning!! :scared:

[trich]

I'm surprised ~ it's less than 60 mi. away.

Yes and I don't believe for a minute Daytona doesn't get much information.
I am in South Alabama and it is on our local news no less on fox news.
I don't think a person can watch any news station and not hear pretty up to date information on this case.
Of course I guess there are people who do not pay Attention to any news maybe.:confused:

[legalmania]

I'm surprised ~ it's less than 60 mi. away.

Yes I was kind of surprised also until I talked to my friend in Coco Beach and she said she knew very little. Coco is not far either only about 20 to 30 minutes from Orlando.

[dixielover]

No idea where but a Fox 35 video predicted COV MAY be discussed at Friday's 1/30 Motion Hearing.
jmo


I heard somewhere if there is a COV -it has to be a place that is simpler in population and makeup as the city the crime had been committed Is that true? imo

[Elle]

No idea where but a Fox 35 video predicted COV MAY be discussed at Friday's 1/30 Motion Hearing.
jmo

Thanks Cury.

[cloe23]

The letters that were found with the remains. Wonder if they were at one time on Caylee's shirt. Like iron on type things? If so I wonder if they found the kit at the home. Wonder if it was her name?

jmo

IMO the letters come from the perpetrators clothing that day. suggesting that the A' pool was a type of cover up gone wrong and Casey got wet.

[Neffy]

That's not an IV, it's the tool LE uses to open a locked car.

In California once an IV is established the EMT must stay with the patient until they arrive at the hospital.


I can't tell what shelbar is looking at to much glare but I'd have to agree that putting an IV into a man then sending him in another car to the hospital without medical supervision isn't done in any state.

[legalmania]

Well first of all, we don't know that an emt was not in the car as well. However if the ambulance is following no problem driving him.

I don't see how they could take him to hospital with empty pill bottles in the trash WITHOUT starting an IV no matter what he said. The hospital spokeswoman says they stabilized him, the police chief was circumspect but extremely definite that he was suicidal, and yet somehow we are to believe that its all a ploy?

They are going to let somebody suicidal ride with a needle in his arm that he could pull out or stick somebody with?

[shelbar53]

This case has hit me hard, I am not dealing with it like I expected.
Sorry.

I know what you mean. I was shocked at how upset I was when Tim pulled out of the search in bov, I was lashing out at everyone.

Now with the info about the duct tape and heart, it has me so upset that I am really sick of george and cindy and cannot understand how they can keep up with their lies. The A's make me sick. It breaks my heart to think that caylee might of been alive when casey duct taped her mouth.

I said it last night and I will say it aagain. casey is a thief, liar, murderer, went out partying after she killed caylee, drinking, doing drugs, getting tattoos, stealing from her best friend, sleeping with different guys. Nice daugher george and cindy...you must be so proud...I bet looking at pics of casey and caylee togehther just warms your heart. Hey here is an idea...why dont you put duct tape and heart stickers over caylees mouth of the pics you have.

[cloe23]

Sorry folks. I will split. Again sorry.

[legalmania]

Yes and I don't believe for a minute Daytona doesn't get much information.
I am in South Alabama and it is on our local news no less on fox news.
I don't think a person can watch any news station and not hear pretty up to date information on this case.
Of course I guess there are people who do not pay Attention to any news maybe.:confused:

I am in Georgia and I have to find the info on InSession, or NG, Greta and very little out of Fox.

[Cury-us Coyote]

So much confusion about this whole thing, note in the room, note in the car, 5 page note, 6 page note, 6 to 8 page note. Anyone found the offical LE report on this yet.

Reported GA recognized Chitwood. Is the chief often in the public eye via TV or missing person events? TIA

[cloe23]

I know what you mean. I was shocked at how upset I was when Tim pulled out of the search in bov, I was lashing out at everyone.

Now with the info about the duct tape and heart, it has me so upset that I am really sick of george and cindy and cannot understand how they can keep up with their lies. The A's make me sick. It breaks my heart to think that caylee might of been alive when casey duct taped her mouth.

I said it last night and I will say it aagain. casey is a thief, liar, murderer, went out partying after she killed caylee, drinking, doing drugs, getting tattoos, stealing from her best friend, sleeping with different guys. Nice daugher george and cindy...you must be so proud...I bet looking at pics of casey and caylee togehther just warms your heart. Hey here is an idea...why dont you put duct tape and heart stickers over caylees mouth of the pics you have.

One word.... 'Vomit'

[WillowInFlight]

This case has hit alot of people hard. I have been slammed by folks around here who think it is highly inappropriate of anyone not immediately connected with this family to be so hard hit by this case. No apology from you necessary. I may not know the Anthony's personally and never claimed I did, but I can tell you this, it's going to get worse before it gets better. Cases like these always do.

ITA with you on this, I have been saying all along that we have only seen the tip of the iceberg as far as this family is concerned.

[RiverWalk]

bolded the relevant section...dixie...I'm pretty sure I read in one of the articles yesterday after all this about George broke that he was being treated for depression prior to this incident Maybe someone else saw it too and recalls it. If not, I'll try to find it.

I thought that was Cindy. Didn't they use that as an excuse why she couldn't take a lie detector test? Medicated for depression??????

[RiverWalk]

Looks like both sleves are rolled down to me.

Yep. There was no IV when George drove off with LE.

[Regina.Lampert]

I have nothing against you, Regina. I also like the blue font. Scroll up. Neffy said it is "Regina's color." Now that I know it is yours I will try not to use it. God only knows, I respect people's feelings here and that will not change. All I ask is that you don't read anything in my posts other than what is written. The color is all yours. Now can we get back to this case? It means alot to some of us.

Neffy is a very astute poster, nothing gets by her and that is why I believe she has posted some of the most thoughtful posts on this forum The color does not belong to me, how silly, use whatever color floats your boat makes no difference to me.

[shelbar53]

I can't tell what shelbar is looking at to much glare but I'd have to agree that putting an IV into a man then sending him in another car to the hospital without medical supervision isn't done in any state.

well actually it is. when i took my daughtet to the ER, they started an IV then decided she needed surgery but since I am a nurse they let me drive her to the hospital where they did the surgery.

OMG guys its just an IV, people go home with them all the time. they have ports, picc lines. lots of homecare meds. having an IV as an outpatient is common, ins companys wont pay for in hospital stays for just iv antibiotic therapy. so they put in a picc or port and send the patient home. or use it for chemotherapy. Its no big deal. and IVs... are NOT needles in the arm...the needle is used to insert then taken out and just a catheter is in place...NO needle

[RiverWalk]

Reported GA recognized Chitwood. Is the chief often in the public eye via TV or missing person events? TIA

The A's held a Caylee vigil/event in Daytona. Possibly met Chitwood then.

[MissouriGMom]

Hiya Aubrey, I'm checking too. It was Drew Petrameux in his report, he said that cynthia was angry and Kerry Sanders of NBC said it today.

There you are, scampi! That's the blue I've been looking for today!

:seeya:

[legalmania]

There is a needle when they insert it but it is removed afterwards when the IV is in place, and only a small rubber/silicone tube is left.

I can't look, so that's how much I know.

[Calla]

:seeya:

I got here, wasn't logged in and had to read to see what the problem was.

Thot we were shut down over a FONT issue

Now I don't even know what is going on. Anyone know if George is still under observation???

[Neffy]

well actually it is. when i took my daughtet to the ER, they started an IV then decided she needed surgery but since I am a nurse they let me drive her to the hospital where they did the surgery.

OMG guys its just an IV, people go home with them all the time. they have ports, picc lines. lots of homecare meds. having an IV as an outpatient is common, ins companys wont pay for in hospital stays for just iv antibiotic therapy. so they put in a picc or port and send the patient home. or use it for chemotherapy. Its no big deal. and IVs... are NOT needles in the arm...the needle is used to insert then taken out and just a catheter is in place...NO needle

I'm just trying to make sense out of what's being reported and what actually happened. One thing I haven't read is that George actually took these pills and did indeed overdose. Was he given an IV or not and if he was given one why.

[magnolia]

I know what you mean. I was shocked at how upset I was when Tim pulled out of the search in bov, I was lashing out at everyone.

Now with the info about the duct tape and heart, it has me so upset that I am really sick of george and cindy and cannot understand how they can keep up with their lies. The A's make me sick. It breaks my heart to think that caylee might of been alive when casey duct taped her mouth.

I said it last night and I will say it aagain. casey is a thief, liar, murderer, went out partying after she killed caylee, drinking, doing drugs, getting tattoos, stealing from her best friend, sleeping with different guys. Nice daugher george and cindy...you must be so proud...I bet looking at pics of casey and caylee togehther just warms your heart. Hey here is an idea...why dont you put duct tape and heart stickers over caylees mouth of the pics you have.

The bolding is mine...I can't believe I just read that. Do you really mean that or are trying to get attention?

[Jester]

IV's dont have needles in them...lol

Pardon me?

[Regina.Lampert]

There you are, scampi! That's the blue I've been looking for today!

:seeya:

Hiya Mom! :seeya:

[Cury-us Coyote]

I thought that was Cindy. Didn't they use that as an excuse why she couldn't take a lie detector test? Medicated for depression??????

Anthony Motel Room Contained Empty Pill Bottles
People close to George Anthony told Eyewitness News he may have been dealing with depression even before Caylee's death.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18545717/detail.html

[rosieposett]

Or someone's credentials, profession or proving what you do for a living in order to get validation or recognition on these boards. Some people, Shel are just ignorant and need to be ignored. Others need to be reminded where they stand in life. And that is side by side with their fellow human beings, not above them.

Well stated. I agree with all of it.:thumbup:

[Neffy]

Neffy is a very astute poster, nothing gets by her and that is why I believe she has posted some of the most thoughtful posts on this forum The color does not belong to me, how silly, use whatever color floats your boat makes no difference to me.

Well thank you :blush:

I guess I didn't get it was a joke or what the joke was. :shrug:

[sunstar]

Yes I was kind of surprised also until I talked to my friend in Coco Beach and she said she knew very little. Coco is not far either only about 20 to 30 minutes from Orlando.

And in the same media market as Orlando, right? And I would think whatever is online is also on the local tv news, like WFTV and the others covering the case? Interesting! :)

[magnolia]

She's p.o'd as alot of us are. Some of us are outraged that this baby suffered. And why did nobody put the death penalty back on the table. Little Caylee suffered. Nobody should have to go through that and muchless a baby.

I agree Caylee suffered and it should have never happened. That doesn't answer my question though.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm just trying to make sense out of what's being reported and what actually happened. One thing I haven't read is that George actually took these pills and did indeed overdose. Was he given an IV or not and if he was given one why.

All reports say he was coherant and able to walk under his own power, so why indeed would they start an iv?

[Regina.Lampert]

Well thank you :blush:

I guess I didn't get it was a joke or what the joke was. :shrug:

Don't fret Neff, your sense of humor is still intact, imo.

I bet you geraldo has conway on for more anthony spin.

[Jester]

There is a needle when they insert it but it is removed afterwards when the IV is in place, and only a small rubber/silicone tube is left.

"Originally, a peripheral IV was simply a needle that was taped in place and connected to tubing rather than to a syringe; this system is still used for blood donation sets, as the IV access will only be needed for a few minutes and the donor may not move while the needle is in place. Today, hospitals use a safer system in which the catheter is a flexible plastic tube that originally contains a needle to allow it to pierce the skin; the needle is then removed and discarded, while the soft catheter stays in the vein."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intravenous_therapy

Guess it's been a while since I had IV.

[SusiePMcD]

Wasn't that the Sunshine Videos on youtube?

Hi Boxer mom...nice to see you. I saw that question at the end of the other thread and I was looking for them. I am re-watching them right now. There are 4 parts.

Just google;

Part 1 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case

hello everyone.

[dixielover]

well actually it is. when i took my daughtet to the ER, they started an IV then decided she needed surgery but since I am a nurse they let me drive her to the hospital where they did the surgery.

OMG guys its just an IV, people go home with them all the time. they have ports, picc lines. lots of homecare meds. having an IV as an outpatient is common, ins companys wont pay for in hospital stays for just iv antibiotic therapy. so they put in a picc or port and send the patient home. or use it for chemotherapy. Its no big deal. and IVs... are NOT needles in the arm...the needle is used to insert then taken out and just a catheter is in place...NO needle

This isn't an outpatient situation- it is a possible suicide- wouldn't happen on my watch imo

[legalmania]

And in the same media market as Orlando, right? And I would think whatever is online is also on the local tv news, like WFTV and the others covering the case? Interesting! :)

Believe me a lot of people have let it go. None caring whatumacallits.

[magnolia]

The person in Daytona Beach who said he didn't know much about the Caylee murder must not watch much t.v. or read. Daytona and Orlando are in the same area - in regards to the local tv stations and the Orlando Sentinel is delivered to Daytona. Also the Daytona Beach News Journal has covered this case quite a bit.

[gaelicpeas]

I thought that was Cindy. Didn't they use that as an excuse why she couldn't take a lie detector test? Medicated for depression??????I agree. I can't see anybody suffering from depression being prescribed sleeping pills. JMO

[Jester]

All reports say he was coherant and able to walk under his own power, so why indeed would they start an iv?

He had been drinking, so the IV may have been to counteract the eight beer. Another reason would be that if there were problems identified through blood work, they had the IV ready to go.

[magnolia]

I have many clients in Daytona and spend alot of time over there but never knew who the Police Chief of Daytona was.


He's on the local news a lot.

[sunstar]

:seeya:

I got here, wasn't logged in and had to read to see what the problem was.

Thot we were shut down over a FONT issue

Now I don't even know what is going on. Anyone know if George is still under observation???

I haven't seen any news since the WFTV online article from this morning. :shrug: Geraldo's supposed to have something on his show tonight though.

[5boxersmom]

Hi Boxer mom...nice to see you. I saw that question at the end of the other thread and I was looking for them. I am re-watching them right now. There are 4 parts.

Just google;

Part 1 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case

hello everyone.

They are heartbreaking and do show a lot of the different things the Anthony's have said over the months. Someone put a lot of time into them. I re watched them earlier.

Good to see ya. :biggrin:

[sunstar]

Believe me a lot of people have let it go. None caring whatumacallits.

That's really sad. A lot of people I know are interested even though I'm in NC. I just guess it comes down to what's important to each of us. :)

[Regina.Lampert]

He had been drinking, so the IV may have been to counteract the eight beer. Another reason would be that if there were problems identified through blood work, they had the IV ready to go.

Would they give an iv if the patient had to have their stomach pumped?

[legalmania]

I have many clients in Daytona and spend a lot of time over there but never knew who the Police Chief of Daytona was.

This trial if they get the motion is going to make some town financially profit, so maybe whoever said that maybe said it so it would get moved there.

[dixielover]

Oh they do prescribe them to depressed people! They have to weigh the likelihood of a person using them for a suicide attempt but they will prescribe them!


i'm still confused why he happened to take bottles with no labels on them- how many rx bottles do you have in your house without labels? imo

[gaelicpeas]

I'm just trying to make sense out of what's being reported and what actually happened. One thing I haven't read is that George actually took these pills and did indeed overdose. Was he given an IV or not and if he was given one why.That thing looked to me like an IV.. but then again, it wasn't a very clear picture. However, that was definitely a different car than the one George left the motel in. George left in a car without a rear-view wiper and the rear lights were different. So who knows.... JMO