Sat. Jan 24 Part II

[SusiePMcD]

They are heartbreaking and do show a lot of the different things the Anthony's have said over the months. Someone put a lot of time into them. I re watched them earlier.

Good to see ya. :biggrin:


Someome really DID put in hours of hard work! good to see you too.

[sunstar]

obviously I am on everyone's iggy

but will continue to read to learn an answer to my question re: george:wink:

oops

except sunstars
And I'm googling for some updates! :biggrin:

[dixielover]

Definitely, and before they did the pumping too.

yes, we usually always start an iv- imo

[Regina.Lampert]

In case he did pass out and they could give him emergency medication.

Hey Brat! Yes, but until they learned exactly what pills he took, would they give him anything? Also, riding in the police cruiser is different then riding in the ambulance, where emergency care can be given STAT.

Do you think they pumped his stomach?

[sunstar]

i'm still confused why he happened to take bottles with no labels on them- how many rx bottles do you have in your house without labels? imo

Maybe if you're "Patsy" from those tv commercials! :D Seriously I don't know who would remove the labels and bottles aren't supposed to be reused with different meds either. MOO

[kitty1182]

i'm still confused why he happened to take bottles with no labels on them- how many rx bottles do you have in your house without labels? imo



None...lol

[Jester]

Would they give an iv if the patient had to have their stomach pumped?

I'm pretty sure part of the process would include an IV, if only to replace fluids and balance salts, etc, electrolytes ...

Sounds pretty grim to have one's stomach pumped, but I'm sure that's the process is someone has had too much to drink or possibly taken too many pills.

[Regina.Lampert]

Definitely, and before they did the pumping too.

Thanks Brat, now see my other question...lol.

[RiverWalk]

That thing looked to me like an IV.. but then again, it wasn't a very clear picture. However, that was definitely a different car than the one George left the motel in. George left in a car without a rear-view wiper and the rear lights were different. So who knows.... JMO

Watch the video of George getting in the car. BOTH sleeves are rolled down. NO IV, imo. The slides show George's car being "broken into" by LE since they didn't have the keys to collect "evidence/notes/etc".

MOO

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html

[gaelicpeas]

Hi Boxer mom...nice to see you. I saw that question at the end of the other thread and I was looking for them. I am re-watching them right now. There are 4 parts.

Just google;

Part 1 of 4 - You Are My Sunshine - Clips from the Casey & Caylee Anthony Case

hello everyone.Hi Susie, welcome aboard the board.

[Lavenia]

Oh they do prescribe them to depressed people! They have to weigh the likelihood of a person using them for a suicide attempt but they will prescribe them! Insomnia is the biggest indicator of depression. It is so common.

That's right as very often the lack of sleep will cause or worsen existing depression. They will usually strictly monitor the amount prescribed at one time in this case, giving so little that if the patient were to take the entire RX at once, it would not LIKELY cause death. Of course if the patient hoards their meds, the precautions are moot, but that person is most likely determined anyway and would likely find another avenue to attain their goal.

It's possible George was being monitored on his meds. I keep reading that he had a 2 weeks supply of medication. That's not a "normal" amount of BP pills to prescribe someone. I don't know though if he actually had ONLY 2 weeks of pills dispensed to him or media is reading the report which said he had 2 weeks worth with him which may mean he had taken some to get down to the 2 week level.

[gaelicpeas]

obviously I am on everyone's iggy

but will continue to read to learn an answer to my question re: george:wink:

oops

except sunstarslol, sorry, Calla. What was your question? I missed it.

[Calla]

Maybe if you're "Patsy" from those tv commercials! :D Seriously I don't know who would remove the labels and bottles aren't supposed to be reused with different meds either. MOO

I would remove the labels if I didn't want to be treated and they would not know what I took right away..:sad:

[legalmania]

None...lol

Only the empty ones that now have become nail and button holders.

[playnice]

Calla: In my best imitation of Nancy Grace: What is your question,dear.

lol. That was funny.

[gaelicpeas]

Oh they do prescribe them to depressed people! They have to weigh the likelihood of a person using them for a suicide attempt but they will prescribe them! Insomnia is the biggest indicator of depression. It is so common.hmm, okay... I will just say I disagree.

[Texas48]

Bolding mine
And I on the other hand have experienced someone that did it and never knew the mess he left behind....
I don't know whether I think GA did it for attention or plot or because he truly wanted to die but I will continue to follow this case. I have been here long enough to know that we will get our questions answered within the next few days as we will see what the A's do next. There is always clarity after confusion with them.

Does anyone think it odd that CA would be worried about what jewelry to put on CAYLEE instead of putting her doll or something like that? JMO
YES....YES...and YES. When I first read about the jewelry for Caylee I just sat and shook my head AGAIN. Calylee's doll would be perfect but this is their baby they will bury so that would be their choice. jmo

[Calla]

OMG Great minds think alike. I was just thinking Calla better answer with "the twins are beautiful"! :lol: If Sunstar does not come back soon, you are on notice that you have 10 minutes to repeat the question. Otherwise, you can call a friend, use the 50/50 or walk away. Let us know.

:lol: ......

[Lavenia]

LOL its ok..now I feel better cuz I am not iggied by at least 3 people....

:laugh:

Just getting caught up on George..THanks!

Calla! :seeya: I'm just not up to speed yet. NOT ignoring anyone!

[kitty1182]

:lol: Get a drug sniffing dog. It's easier. Since nobody wants to answer on the 8 beer, do you have any idea what an 8 beer is? Otherwise I have to call my brother in law he works for Anheiser. I have never heard of this before, is this something new? I've heard of pony's. My secondary question is this: exactly how much beer did George inhale?

I think he had a 12 pack, he drank 8, 4 was found in the fridge in the room..I think this is correct..

[playnice]

YES....YES...and YES. When I first read about the jewelry for Caylee I just sat and shook my head AGAIN. Calylee's doll would be perfect but this is their baby they will bury so that would be their choice. jmo

Wouldnt LE have Caylees doll into evidence? I doubt they could get it if they wanted.

[legalmania]

Hey Brat! Yes, but until they learned exactly what pills he took, would they give him anything? Also, riding in the police cruiser is different then riding in the ambulance, where emergency care can be given STAT.

Do you think they pumped his stomach?

Congrats Regina.Lampet on #12,000 post:thumbup::beer:

[cassidy]

:lol: Get a drug sniffing dog. It's easier. Since nobody wants to answer on the 8 beer, do you have any idea what an 8 beer is? Otherwise I have to call my brother in law he works for Anheiser. I have never heard of this before, is this something new? I've heard of pony's. My secondary question is this: exactly how much beer did George inhale?

It was reported somehwere (don't ask me where cause I don't know) that he had consumed 8 beers out of a 12 pack. that's where the 8 comes from.

[?noanswer]

All reports say he was coherant and able to walk under his own power, so why indeed would they start an iv?


One would think that LE has been trained in evaluating people to determine whether they are in distress. Sounds like the only thing that might have been wrong with G, he could have slurred words depending on how fast he drank the beer. If LE had an inkling that anything was wrong with G, they would have called EMTs. G walked to the car on his own. He was fine. They deal with these kinds of things very often. They aren't allowed to give medical information to the public. The media most likely is kinda thinking what happened and therefore based reporting on that. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Watch the video of George getting in the car. BOTH sleeves are rolled down. NO IV, imo. The slides show George's car being "broken into" by LE since they didn't have the keys to collect "evidence/notes/etc".

MOO

http://www.wftv.com/video/18546141/index.html
I am going with no IV. Although that is the strangest looking "slim" I have ever seen, I must say!

[8BellesFan]

I think he had a 12 pack, he drank 8, 4 was found in the fridge in the room..I think this is correct..

That's what I heard too, kid.:wub:

[legalmania]

I would remove the labels if I didn't want to be treated and they would not know what I took right away..:sad:

Actually it's against the law to have a prescription without a label.

[kitty1182]

That's what I heard too, kid.:wub:




Me too:wub:

[8BellesFan]

Sorry but I am one. Been on both for years.

my stepdaughter was prescribed Welbutrin and Ambien (spelling may be wrong)

[Unperson1984]

In case he did pass out and they could give him emergency medication.

In the Sheriff's car?

[kitty1182]

Actually it's against the law to have a prescription without a label.

This is true..If he had gotten stopped and those bottles were seen without a script on them, he could have been in trouble....
He would looked like he had just scored some pills on the street..MO

[sunstar]

I would remove the labels if I didn't want to be treated and they would not know what I took right away..:sad:

Yes, I agree that would be about the only reason. MOO

[gaelicpeas]

:lol: Get a drug sniffing dog. It's easier. Since nobody wants to answer on the 8 beer, do you have any idea what an 8 beer is? Otherwise I have to call my brother in law he works for Anheiser. I have never heard of this before, is this something new? I've heard of pony's. My secondary question is this: exactly how much beer did George inhale?I believe it was a typo and should have read "8 beers" (plural). JMO, and from what was reported in the media.

[Calla]

lol, sorry, Calla. What was your question? I missed it.

I just asked if George was still under observation..but I think it has been answered that no one knows any news on that...but thanks GP

[sunstar]

Actually it's against the law to have a prescription without a label.

And also to be using one not intended for yourself. At least in some states you can be arrested if such a bottle is found in your car. MOO

[?noanswer]

The person in Daytona Beach who said he didn't know much about the Caylee murder must not watch much t.v. or read. Daytona and Orlando are in the same area - in regards to the local tv stations and the Orlando Sentinel is delivered to Daytona. Also the Daytona Beach News Journal has covered this case quite a bit.

Most people have a life, unlike us 237+- people on this thread right now. Wonder how many of this 237 are from the Orlando Area. Not Me. JMO

[n/t]

In the Sheriff's car?

Exactly. This was obviously a non emergency.

[kitty1182]

Okay so you're saying that 6 packs now come in jumbo size? Who knew! 8 beers. That's too much beer for one person.

no, a 6 pack is still a 6 pack..You can buy 12 pack of beer too..He had a 12 pack, he drank 8, that left 4 out of the 12 pack..

[witchywoman]

Calla: In my best imitation of Nancy Grace: What is your question,dear.

lol


Ya'll i promise im not lurking, im just sat in the back of the class and being on my best behavior..lmao

eta..at first, I felt so sad and concerned for GA, but now? I dunno..I dunno if its a cry for help, or a ploy of some sorts...

as much as i dont like the way ga, or ca, or la has behaved, i still chant (prey ) for all of them , i prey and chant that the house of anthony opens their eyes and can see casey for what i belive she is..a odious creature who murders..mo

i am now going back to quietly sitting in the back of the class

[Lavenia]

And also to be using one not intended for yourself. At least in some states you can be arrested if such a bottle is found in your car. MOO

That's correct, sunstar. That's FEDERAL law.

[Regina.Lampert]

This is true..If he had gotten stopped and those bottles were seen without a script on them, he could have been in trouble....
He would looked like he had just scored some pills on the street..MO

Well, you learn something new everyday. I never knew that Sis. :wub:

[?noanswer]

i'm still confused why he happened to take bottles with no labels on them- how many rx bottles do you have in your house without labels? imo

Maybe they have a "Patsy" in their house who removes all the labels!!! JMO

[kitty1182]

Well, you learn something new everyday. I never knew that Sis. :wub:

Yep.....:smile:

[?noanswer]

That thing looked to me like an IV.. but then again, it wasn't a very clear picture. However, that was definitely a different car than the one George left the motel in. George left in a car without a rear-view wiper and the rear lights were different. So who knows.... JMO

Well if G had left in another car and that was an IV, who was getting an IV? JMO

[Calla]

Calla! :seeya: I'm just not up to speed yet. NOT ignoring anyone!

It's ok really ..lol thanks

I need to look at some links and get caught up

[8BellesFan]

Maybe they have a "Patsy" in their house who removes all the labels!!! JMO

lolol, I love Ptsy!

but maybe they had a person in their house who was nosey on what they had, or how many refills were available.

[n/t]

I just asked if George was still under observation..but I think it has been answered that no one knows any news on that...but thanks GP

They just had an update on HLN about an hour ago and it was reported he was still in the hospital so I'm guessing he's still under psychiatric care.

[cuddlyrunner]

Most people have a life, unlike us 237+- people on this thread right now. Wonder how many of this 237 are from the Orlando Area. Not Me. JMO



I'm from England and know noone over here who has heard of Caylee

[cassidy]

Well if G had left in another car and that was an IV, who was getting an IV? JMO

And why was the IV going through the window? The door was closed???

[joolz]

I just asked if George was still under observation..but I think it has been answered that no one knows any news on that...but thanks GP


I don't know, but when someone is put under observation for 72 hours, are they ever let out earlier? It doesn't seem sensible to me - and if anything happened, it also seems like a glaring invitation to a malpractice suit. jmo

[dixielover]

Maybe they have a "Patsy" in their house who removes all the labels!!! JMO

maybe you are right:biggrin: Are they going to keep up this behavior until the trial? If you think about it, they have been acting up for a solid 7 months. imo

[SusiePMcD]

Hi Susie, welcome aboard the board.



Thanks I've been around...but have not posted in a while.

[cassidy]

I'm from England and know noone over here who has heard of Caylee

Perfect COV then :)

[Calla]

Actually it's against the law to have a prescription without a label.

Yes it is..but it also used to be against the law to kill yourself ..altho I don't know how they expected to prosecute you if you succeeded..lol

[kitty1182]

That is true also, but if you are charged and can later prove in court that you had a prior prescription then it will more than likely be tossed.

I wouldn't want to go thru all of that though..lol
I just leave mine in the bottle with my name on it.:biggrin:

[Lavenia]

Maybe they have a "Patsy" in their house who removes all the labels!!! JMO

Maybe they didn't want Casey to know what was in the bottles.

[dixielover]

They just had an update on HLN about an hour ago and it was reported he was still in the hospital so I'm guessing he's still under psychiatric care.

If I was him I would stay put-I can hear him now- Don't make me go back to that crazy woman!! I would be depressed too. imo

[gaelicpeas]

Okay so you're saying that 6 packs now come in jumbo size? Who knew! 8 beers. That's too much beer for one person.No, I believe it was a 12-pack, and he drank 8 of them according to reports. JMO

[shadowdiana]

sorry but he did have an IV, I saw the pics. did you see them?

Do you have a link?
I agree with Dixie, that an IV in a car would be highly improbable, if only for liability if not for common sense
MOO

[legalmania]

This is true..If he had gotten stopped and those bottles were seen without a script on them, he could have been in trouble....
He would looked like he had just scored some pills on the street..MO

Or they belonged to someone else.

[Lavenia]

Do you have a link?
I agree with Dixie, that an IV in a car would be highly improbable, if only for liability if not for common sense
MOO

That was my thought. The liability factor is through the roof!

[shadowdiana]

look at pic 6

http:///www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

Thanks shelbar..I am finally catching up!!

[Jester]

Jester, what is an 8beer. Is that like a six pack plus two or one of those extra large liter size buds or what? :confused:

I actually said eight beer, not 8beer.

Plural could be beers. Deer is deer whether singular or plural.

It was reported that out of a 12 pack of beers, eight of those beers had been consumed.

[cuddlyrunner]

Perfect COV then :)

oh and I would love to serve on that jury!!!

[joolz]

What is a Patsy?:confused:

[gaelicpeas]

Where is the link to 8 plus beers?Koody, there are several links in the links thread that mention the 8 beers. I haven't seen any articles that said he drank "8 plus" beers. JMO

[Calla]

If I was him I would stay put-I can hear him now- Don't make me go back to that crazy woman!! I would be depressed too. imo

I'm just not sure about that. I recall him telling Casey in the jailhouse video that he had 'told her mom some things' ..that it was hard ..

I kind of think they may have realized that they need each other through this ordeal..It's not such a far fetched idea if anyone asks me

[?noanswer]

Yes it is..but it also used to be against the law to kill yourself ..altho I don't know how they expected to prosecute you if you succeeded..lol

I sure hope I am never called to serve on a jury that prosecutes a person for committing suicide!!!! JMO

[RiverWalk]

There was no crime committed so why would they be looking for evidence, wouldn't they need a search warrant to open the car unless George gave them permission and if he had why didn't they just ask him for the keys?

JMO

I don' know. Maybe "probable cause" they can get in the car?????

[Neffy]

Maybe they didn't want Casey to know what was in the bottles.

OH interesting. Wonder if any have ever come up missing?

[?noanswer]

Maybe they didn't want Casey to know what was in the bottles.

Casey done be gone!!! JMO

[CC I See]

Where is Lee in all of this latest drama.... anyone know?

[Jester]

Where is the link to 8 plus beers?

Here is one of the links (found by googling George Anthony + beer):

"Local 6 News showed video of the motel room in which George Anthony was staying. A cardboard container of a 12-pack of beer was in the room with four unopened bottles in the refrigerator. A brown blanket apparently belonging to the Anthony family was also shown atop the hotel room bed."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html#-

[gaelicpeas]

Or they belonged to someone else.This is kind of what I was thinking, Legal. JMO

[dixielover]

I'm just not sure about that. I recall him telling Casey in the jailhouse video that he had 'told her mom some things' ..that it was hard ..

I kind of think they may have realized that they need each other through this ordeal..It's not such a far fetched idea if anyone asks me

you are probably right- It doesn't seem that GA has any family close-at least I haven't heard of any-imo

[Lavenia]

OH interesting. Wonder if any have ever come up missing?

Maybe the tox screen will tell us.

[Neffy]

Koody, there are several links in the links thread that mention the 8 beers. I haven't seen any articles that said he drank "8 plus" beers. JMO

I've read several articles that a 12 pack carton was seen and 4 were left.

Mind you that's the only thing that has seemed to be consistant.

[Calla]

I sure hope I am never called to serve on a jury that prosecutes a person for committing suicide!!!! JMO

:scared: ...

[legalmania]

That is true also, but if you are charged and can later prove in court that you had a prior prescription then it will more than likely be tossed.

About $5,000 later and a good attorney.

[Calla]

Where is Lee in all of this latest drama.... anyone know?

I heard one reporter say he went to the hospital to see his dad...but I don't recall who it was

[Lavenia]

Casey done be gone!!! JMO

OMG! Where did she go!?!?!?!?:scared:







J/K! I thought it might have been medicine bottles from when she lived at home. :shrug: (Just throwing carp out there. :wink:)

[gaelicpeas]

Here is one of the links (found by googling George Anthony + beer):

"Local 6 News showed video of the motel room in which George Anthony was staying. A cardboard container of a 12-pack of beer was in the room with four unopened bottles in the refrigerator. A brown blanket apparently belonging to the Anthony family was also shown atop the hotel room bed."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html#-Thanks, Jester. I wonder why he brought a blanket with him? Maybe he just kept it in his truck, and it HAS been cold in Florida the last few days. Just seems odd. Probably nothing...

[sunstar]

That's correct, sunstar. That's FEDERAL law.
Thanks for the correction :) I thought it was a state law.

[Neffy]

What is a Patsy?:confused:

:seeya:

Someone left holding the bag during a crime who had nothing to do with it. Although I haven't scrolled back to see what context it was put in or why your asking.

[?noanswer]

What is a Patsy?:confused:


"Patsy" is a woman in a TV commercial. She takes all the labels off the prescriptions so her kids won't know what they are. It is supposed to be funny, because they can't figure out what is in the bottles. There are several different ones. I think the name "Patsy" was used because in one of the commercial, she pretends to be hugging her daughter, but is patting her down for drugs. It also against drugs. JMO

[RiverWalk]

Well if G had left in another car and that was an IV, who was getting an IV? JMO

Beats me. Maybe it was Patsy?

[legalmania]

Being you seem to know everything can you tell us what pills were taken from the home, what were in the motel and what pills exactly George took? And if you can, could you please provide a link Please.

In the police incident Cury if you still here, it says he is being treated for two things one real long and the other short. It's blacked out that's why I can't say.

[gaelicpeas]

I've read several articles that a 12 pack carton was seen and 4 were left.

Mind you that's the only thing that has seemed to be consistant.lol, true, Neffy. This story has been all over the place...

[SavannahStar]

"Patsy" is a woman in a TV commercial. She takes all the labels off the prescriptions so her kids won't know what they are. It is supposed to be funny, because they can't figure out what is in the bottles. There are several different ones. I think the name "Patsy" was used because in one of the commercial, she pretends to be hugging her daughter, but is patting her down for drugs. It also against drugs. JMO

Thanks for explaining that. I started to but what I wrote didn't sound right. Those have got to be the dumbest commercials ever.

[dixielover]

or they could have been left there by previous occupant's of the room, over the years I have found some strange things in those "no-tell motels"

well they did say that he had his blood pressure medicine- odd that he took that along but I have picked up people who has taken alot of their cardiac meds imo

[Jester]

Being you seem to know everything can you tell us what pills were taken from the home, what were in the motel and what pills exactly George took? And if you can, could you please provide a link Please.

Here's the incident report. The medications have been blocked out.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-01/44673727.pdf

[?noanswer]

Here is one of the links (found by googling George Anthony + beer):

"Local 6 News showed video of the motel room in which George Anthony was staying. A cardboard container of a 12-pack of beer was in the room with four unopened bottles in the refrigerator. A brown blanket apparently belonging to the Anthony family was also shown atop the hotel room bed."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html#-

So G took his security blanket with him? JMO

[Lapis]

I have a question for any and all Lawyers/Attorneys on these boards. Conway said that the Anthonys have never asked for Immunity, he is the one who asked for it, for them. I think Lee's Attorney said the same.

Since an Attorney is the employee and the client the boss, can an Attorney ask for Immunity for his clients, if he has not been instructed to do so? Does he have the right to do such a thing?

It seems to me that an Attorney would not have the right to ask for anything for his client without the express request of that client. Especially something like ask for Immunity, which makes it look like the clients have some reason to need Immunity from prosecution for something.

I know the claim is that they have nothing to hide, but Conway is concerned that something the A's may have done unwittingly, might lead to prosecution. I think that's a pretty long stretch myself, since it wouldn't be worth the time and $$ to prosecute for something done unknowingly.

TIA to anyone who can clear this up for me.

I can't speak for all trial attorneys, but my retainer agreement provides that I decide all legal strategies. Therefor this would be my decision as the atttorney to seek immunity. You do have to follow the client's instructions, however, but you must always act in thier best interests. I doubt the Anthonys knew anything about immunity prior to all this. Therefore they would not know to "ask" for it. I also think these attorneys are playing semantics. I'm sure they probably discussed it first and told them they would be seeking immunity. In any criminal case having clients in the position of the Anthonys where they are not the targets you err on the side of caution and get the immunity before any further statements are made. It can't hurt. JMO

[Lavenia]

Thanks for the correction :) I thought it was a state law.

My pills all have a label that says something along the words of "Warning federal law prohibits anyone from taking this medication to whom it's not prescribed." Something like that, but it always says "federal".

ETA: EEK, I didn't mean to correct you! I read too fast and didn't realize you said "state". I just thought you said "law". Didn't mean to step on your toes.

[bchand]

Where is Lee in all of this latest drama.... anyone know?

He lives at home again now. It was reported that he called George's cell phone as the Chief was driving George to the hospital but George did not take his call.

[gaelicpeas]

In the police incident Cury if you still here, it says he is being treated for two things one real long and the other short. It's blacked out that's why I can't say.I saw that... my GUESS is that the first one is high blood pressure (although not sure why it ends in a "p" which was not blacked out) and anxiety. Those are just guesses, though. JMO

[Neffy]

"Patsy" is a woman in a TV commercial. She takes all the labels off the prescriptions so her kids won't know what they are. It is supposed to be funny, because they can't figure out what is in the bottles. There are several different ones. I think the name "Patsy" was used because in one of the commercial, she pretends to be hugging her daughter, but is patting her down for drugs. It also against drugs. JMO

AHHH!

Erm Joolz, never mind my post - way out of context ROFL :blush:

[Calla]

or they could have been left there by previous occupant's of the room, over the years I have found some strange things in those "no-tell motels"

I believe that! but what are you doing in "no -tell motels"? Oh I know, you can't tell:sneaky:

[sunstar]

What is a Patsy?:confused:

If you're answering my post, it's a commercial from the Partnership for a Drug Free America.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1891368/patsy_labels_partnership_for_a_drug_free_america_c ommercial/

[Pretty Leaf]

I'd love to know what Casey's reaction to George's incident.

How can she turn this to be all about her??

[Jester]

Well you are looking at someone who can barely find the liquor section at the supermarket so I apologize for that. My brother in law works for Anheiser so you would think I would know. I was just curious to know how much beer that George drank. Thank you for the info. Good to know!

No problem. For some reason, I mistakenly thought beer was like deer, but no I know it's beers. I assumed he drank eight regular pop-can size beers.

That's enough to make him really drunk, and possibly not very coherent.

[daHawg]

You are right and that yellow jacket is indicative of the fire department/EMT's

Watch this video it is shown throughout but really clear at 2:20 -2:25 range the guy in the yellow jacket is the tow truck driver opening up the car.
Which corresponds with pic #6 of Shels link
http://www.wesh.com/video/18551532/index.html

[legalmania]

LOL It would never go that far, unless you were accused of something nefarious.

The attorney I worked for had many cases trust me in the sunshine state it does.

[Ionmhainn]

I'm surprised at all the "did he or didn't he" discussion about George. I don't find it at all hard to believe he might feel as if he wanted to die, not uncommon in grief. He also may have wanted someone to save him. It's possible he "acted out" because he couldn't express his feelings any other way. I can't imagine the emotional "weight" he has been carrying around. Some say it was a "cry for help"....maybe so, but, imo, there is no "just" about it. It's very hard for some, especially men, to ask for help. For all intents and purposes, this man has lost two family members. Hard enough to bear in itself....but combined with the circumstances? A heavy load indeed.

[Calla]

Thanks for the correction :) I thought it was a state law.

Wheww..

And to think you could have been under the impression that you could tear your labels off once you got out of state.:laugh:

[?noanswer]

Or maybe they took the labels off of them so when they were thrown away it wouldn't be fodder for the local news when someone goes through their garbage again.

I always take the labels off my empty bottles before I throw them in the trash. Don't want nosy neighbors to know my business. JMO

[shadowdiana]

Here's the incident report. The medications have been blocked out.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-01/44673727.pdf

Is there any way to find out if an ambulance or EMT's were dispatched? Wouldn't it be in the police or firemen
logs/paperwork?

[legalmania]

I saw that... my GUESS is that the first one is high blood pressure (although not sure why it ends in a "p" which was not blacked out) and anxiety. Those are just guesses, though. JMO

That's exactly how it looks to me. You think maybe xanax for anxiety= Zannie?

[joolz]

:seeya:

Someone left holding the bag during a crime who had nothing to do with it. Although I haven't scrolled back to see what context it was put in or why your asking.


:biggrin: That one I knew!

TY to everyone who answered and referenced that commercial, which I had managed to completely put out of my mind. I swear, I kept thinking you guys were talking about some kind of real gadget that removes labels! :ohmy:

[achristie]

Since I have been using it all day I seriously doubt that Neffy was under the impression that it wasn't alive.

I don't care who uses the blue font, it's my favorite color and I like it.

The posts from today speak for themselves and if anyone has questions why you and the others started using the blue font, all they have to do is read back.



Glad you are taking it well. I feel a bit lost trying to find your posts! Not that I don't read everyone's, but if I'm in a hurry for the latest, I scan for the blue. Just sayin'.

MOO Aggie

[5boxersmom]

Remember the myspace post from Casey to Lee about how her mom would not buy beer cause Cindy said it was to expensive? I think it was for Caylee's 2 birthday party. She said Cindy bought Wine Coolers. She was asking Lee to bring beer. It was also the post about how she would feel uncomfortable around George because she hadn't saw him for awhile or something like that. Anyway it seems that beer may have not been a staple in the Anthony home. Or did Cindy not buy it cause George liked it?

No biggy I know just all this talk about beer made me remember that post.

jmo

[bchand]

Here's the incident report. The medications have been blocked out.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-01/44673727.pdf


The one seems to be 3 words - could be for his - high blood pressure?

In fact I think I read somewhere else or heard Conway say he took a two-weeks supply of his blood pressure medicine with him.

Here it is:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18545717/detail.html


George left his home Thursday around 10:30am for a job interview, but Cindy later realized he had taken his two weeks' supply of blood pressure and sleep medication and he had taken a photo of Cindy and Casey with him, but nothing else.


So the other drug was sleep medication, according to Cindy.

[?noanswer]

In the police incident Cury if you still here, it says he is being treated for two things one real long and the other short. It's blacked out that's why I can't say.

Hypertension would be long, sleeplessness would also be long. I know they said he was on BP medicine and it would not surprise me if all of the family was on kind of sleep medication. JMO

[sunstar]

My pills all have a label that says something along the words of "Warning federal law prohibits anyone from taking this medication to whom it's not prescribed." Something like that, but it always says "federal".

ETA: EEK, I didn't mean to correct you! I read too fast and didn't realize you said "state". I just thought you said "law". Didn't mean to step on your toes.

Oh don't worry about stepping on my toes!! I appreciate the reply and further information! :) We haven't had any Rx around the house since my mom passed that I'd forgotten what was on the label.

[Pretty Leaf]

Sorry but I am one. Been on both for years.

I am on 5 drugs for bi polar..anyone taken wrongly can/will cause death. given I am mostly depressive and I need these pills it's a gamble wether I decide to end it as I have the meds..thank god because of the pills I am no where near the desperation in past.

[legalmania]

Glad you are taking it well. I feel a bit lost trying to find your posts! Not that I don't read everyone's, but if I'm in a hurry for the latest, I scan for the blue. Just sayin'.

MOO Aggie

I don't know if you saw the post a couple of pages ago but we were asked to stop playing with the fonts or shut down.

[gaelicpeas]

That's exactly how it looks to me. You think maybe xanax for anxiety= Zannie?Certainly could be... JMO

[bchand]

Glad you are taking it well. I feel a bit lost trying to find your posts! Not that I don't read everyone's, but if I'm in a hurry for the latest, I scan for the blue. Just sayin'.

MOO Aggie

You're right achristie - there's no blue like Reggie's blue.

She handled the silly little game with her usual aplomb.

[sunstar]

Wheww..

And to think you could have been under the impression that you could tear your labels off once you got out of state.:laugh:

LOL ~ I wouldn't do that anyway unless I was throwing the bottles away in the trash!

[shadowdiana]

Watch this video it is shown throughout but really clear at 2:20 -2:25 range the guy in the yellow jacket is the tow truck driver opening up the car.
Which corresponds with pic #6 of Shels link
http://www.wesh.com/video/18551532/index.html

And you can see quite clearly at 1:08-9 the tow guy using a long whitish tool to try and open the car door.

That is what was mistaken for the IV MOO

[RiverWalk]

Watch this video it is shown throughout but really clear at 2:20 -2:25 range the guy in the yellow jacket is the tow truck driver opening up the car.
Which corresponds with pic #6 of Shels link
http://www.wesh.com/video/18551532/index.html

GREAT job. :thumbsup:

[Susie419]

Is there any gag order against the A family?

Presuming "IF" "poor George" can't get a job, pay his way, and probably disagrees with and is having a problem with following Cindy's script of things, changing his story, running off, attempting suicide, etc....

Does anyone here know if it would be legal, or permissable, for GEORGE to sell HIS version, tell the "whole story "of what's really going on in the house since the incident(IF indeed there are lies being told)?
He could make enough $$$ to get away on his own and move on with his life, away from the presumed manipulation by other family members. OR, does he have to tell police the real story before he can sell it, or can he sell it at all?
Just wondering, IMHO, it looks to me that he is trying to escape the lies and manipulation of the real story, and he just cannot take anymore.
Though I guess it would raise some moral questions and presumptions, making $$$ off of poor sweet baby Caylee.
I still wish GA would spill all he knows.
Would love to hear your views? Opinions or Knowledge about this issue.
thanks

[gaelicpeas]

Remember the myspace post from Casey to Lee about how her mom would not buy beer cause Cindy said it was to expensive? I think it was for Caylee's 2 birthday party. She said Cindy bought Wine Coolers. She was asking Lee to bring beer. It was also the post about how she would feel uncomfortable around George because she hadn't saw him for awhile or something like that. Anyway it seems that beer may have not been a staple in the Anthony home. Or did Cindy not buy it cause George liked it?

No biggy I know just all this talk about beer made me remember that post.

jmoI do remember all that, boxermom.

[SavannahStar]

I'm surprised at all the "did he or didn't he" discussion about George. I don't find it at all hard to believe he might feel as if he wanted to die, not uncommon in grief. He also may have wanted someone to save him. It's possible he "acted out" because he couldn't express his feelings any other way. I can't imagine the emotional "weight" he has been carrying around. Some say it was a "cry for help"....maybe so, but, imo, there is no "just" about it. It's very hard for some, especially men, to ask for help. For all intents and purposes, this man has lost two family members. Hard enough to bear in itself....but combined with the circumstances? A heavy load indeed.


Hi Ion! Very well said indeed. I don't get the discussion either, though I am reading and taking part. When I read the posts saying it's a "ploy" I nearly fall off my chair. And......Cindy wrote the note...it's all a set-up......OMG. :huh:

[legalmania]

Hypertension would be long, sleeplessness would also be long. I know they said he was on BP medicine and it would not surprise me if all of the family was on kind of sleep medication. JMO

One had three different words and one had only about a maybe 6 or 7 letter word. Let me see if I can find the link. I'll be back.

[CuriousJo]

IF GA was being treated for anxiety- then I wonder if he had bottles of Xanax sitting around the house. I still think when Casey told her mom, that Caylee was with Zanny the Nanny-----it was code for sedated on Xanax (that she stole from GA or bought on the street)
IMO.

[8BellesFan]

I'd love to know what Casey's reaction to George's incident.

How can she turn this to be all about her??



my dad is in the hospital and I have nobody here to comfort me but myself, since nobody knows how I feel, and I am so alone.

oooops, editing to add

C'mon! grrrrrr (mad face) (rage face)

[tarabull1]

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/george-talks-about-distinct-odor/

I'm bringing over this link from the earlier thread (Sorry I forget who posted it but THANK YOU!)

My point in this all >>> I'd not heard/read these words before OMG!!!!

SNIPPED from above link:"George Anthony, in the video, appears to be agonizing over what he knows and what he doesn’t want to believe as a grandfather and father. One thing he seems sure of is that what he smelled in Casey’s trunk was not rotting pizza, but rather the smell of human decomposition and, he said, it emanated into their home."

[SavannahStar]

Glad you are taking it well. I feel a bit lost trying to find your posts! Not that I don't read everyone's, but if I'm in a hurry for the latest, I scan for the blue. Just sayin'.

MOO Aggie

Also, IS has a wonderful feature where you can easily search for all posts by a particular poster. Works easier and faster. It will pull them all up on one page. No scanning necessary! :smile:

[gaelicpeas]

Is there any gag order against the A family?

Presuming "IF" "poor George" can't get a job, pay his way, and probably disagrees with and is having a problem with following Cindy's script of things, changing his story, running off, attempting suicide, etc....

Does anyone here know if it would be legal, or permissable, for GEORGE to sell HIS version, tell the "whole story "of what's really going on in the house since the incident(IF indeed there are lies being told)?
He could make enough $$$ to get away on his own and move on with his life, away from the presumed manipulation by other family members. OR, does he have to tell police the real story before he can sell it, or can he sell it at all?
Just wondering, IMHO, it looks to me that he is trying to escape the lies and manipulation of the real story, and he just cannot take anymore.
Though I guess it would raise some moral questions and presumptions, making $$$ off of poor sweet baby Caylee.
I still wish GA would spill all he knows.
Would love to hear your views? Opinions or Knowledge about this issue.
thanksInteresting thoughts, Susie...

[Susie419]

I could hear Nancy G now, BOMBSHELL, BREAKING NEWS. G.ANTHONY TELLS "HIS SIDE" OF WHAT HAPPENED IN THAT HOUSE~NG and her BOMBSHELLS tickle me.:laugh:

[legalmania]

It wasn't far about 3 posts up

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-01/44673727.pdf

[bchand]

And you can see quite clearly at 1:08-9 the tow guy using a long whitish tool to try and open the car door.

That is what was mistaken for the IV MOO

Yep, that's a slim jim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Jim_(lock_pick)

[Neffy]

I've seen that Jester and also seen reports that beer "cans" were found in the room, how did the bottles turn into cans?

Ok now were down to the only consistency in this story is a 12 pack of beer with 8 missing container unknown LOL

[BANJO GRANNY]

I'd love to know what Casey's reaction to George's incident.

How can she turn this to be all about her??

IMO She was probally got pizzed off because he did not come by and get her so she could have some of the beer and pizza, because EVERYTHING HAS GOT TO BE ABOUT HER:cursing:




:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[sachae]

Being you seem to know everything can you tell us what pills were taken from the home, what were in the motel and what pills exactly George took? And if you can, could you please provide a link Please.


This reminds me of "The Mark Hacking Case" remember he checked himself into a Motel after his wife Lorri went missing,etc.... just a show

as a Nurse if you wish to end your life, trust me you will find a way without sending message! Right there we would know that the person did really not wnt to comit the act, this famiily is in so much denial, all of them!

Therefore I do no not buy into this at all!!

[shadowdiana]

Yep, that's a slim jim.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slim_Jim_(lock_pick)

Thanks bchand. I had no idea what to call it ! :tongueside:

[?noanswer]

Is there any gag order against the A family?

Presuming "IF" "poor George" can't get a job, pay his way, and probably disagrees with and is having a problem with following Cindy's script of things, changing his story, running off, attempting suicide, etc....

Does anyone here know if it would be legal, or permissable, for GEORGE to sell HIS version, tell the "whole story "of what's really going on in the house since the incident(IF indeed there are lies being told)?
He could make enough $$$ to get away on his own and move on with his life, away from the presumed manipulation by other family members. OR, does he have to tell police the real story before he can sell it, or can he sell it at all?
Just wondering, IMHO, it looks to me that he is trying to escape the lies and manipulation of the real story, and he just cannot take anymore.
Though I guess it would raise some moral questions and presumptions, making $$$ off of poor sweet baby Caylee.
I still wish GA would spill all he knows.
Would love to hear your views? Opinions or Knowledge about this issue.
thanks


No gag orders. Prosecution asked for one, but JB didn't want it!!! JMO

[Calla]

IF GA was being treated for anxiety- then I wonder if he had bottles of Xanax sitting around the house. I still think when Casey told her mom, that Caylee was with Zanny the Nanny-----it was code for sedated on Xanax (that she stole from GA or bought on the street)
IMO.

I think it is possible.
And I have just recently started catching on that George and Casey seemed estranged ..even though it always comes up that her and her mom's relationship was strained, I am beginning to believe that George had a very tough relationship with Casey.
Especially when I saw him in the jailhouse video when she told him she chose him , that they had just started communicating ..or been distant for so long (or somehting like that)..

[Ionmhainn]

Hi Ion! Very well said indeed. I don't get the discussion either, though I am reading and taking part. When I read the posts saying it's a "ploy" I nearly fall off my chair. And......Cindy wrote the note...it's all a set-up......OMG. :huh:


I just don't find it at all surprising that anyone in this position would reach a crisis point.

[Lavenia]

No gag orders. Prosecution asked for one, but JB didn't want it!!! JMO

And that's working real swell like! :thumbsup:

[BANJO GRANNY]

If you're answering my post, it's a commercial from the Partnership for a Drug Free America.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1891368/patsy_labels_partnership_for_a_drug_free_america_c ommercial/

I love those commercial's:thumbsup:

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[Lavenia]

Any educated Nurse will tell you that someone who is threatening suicide should be presumed to be dangerous to themselves and that it should be taken seriously! Here in the USA that is.

Don't make me use the "A" word. :laugh: (Absolu....)

[apothecary]

If the whole family knew that Caylee was dead on July 15,why did Cindy sound so panicked when she finally called 911 about her missing grandaughter.I am in the camp that all of the family knew and decided a cover up was necessary,but am puzzled why Cindy sounded so panicked on that call.I just dont think that was acting,alto she sure has done enough of it since.Maybe they went into coverup mode right after the phone call,because when Cindy went to Tony L she never once asked if he had Caylee.She never mentioned Caylee at all(that we know of)..certainly not normal for grandma who is looking for her missing granchild.IRC she did not even ask Amy where Caylee was

[?noanswer]

I agree it does look like a slim jim is being used on the car, however it could have been before George came to the door. The Chief did say it took awhile for George to come to answer.

JMO

If the slides are in order, G had already been taken away. But I can't understand why they would have to break in his car. G could have given them the keys. But what you posted makes sense. Maybe since he took so long to come to the door, they decided to look in his car to see what was there. JMO

[dixielover]

Any educated Nurse will tell you that someone who is threatening suicide should be presumed to be dangerous to themselves and that it should be taken seriously! Here in the USA that is.

I believe Mark H. checked himself into a psychiatric hospital.

Well, I am a nurse and take it serious- isn't it a shame that this family has gotten to a point that they are not trusted on anything they say. I kind of have my doubts about this situation. imo

[CC I See]

Glad you are taking it well. I feel a bit lost trying to find your posts! Not that I don't read everyone's, but if I'm in a hurry for the latest, I scan for the blue. Just sayin'. MOO Aggie

.... if we weren't suppose to use color for our text, the colors wouldn't be available. :tonguewag:

[SavannahStar]

.... if we weren't suppose to use color for our text, the colors wouldn't be available. :tonguewag:

I think CW posted we're not supposed to use them anymore. :shrug:

[Dells]

Im not sure what to make of the body not being released to C&G so they can lay Caylee to rest. Baez being in charge just mskes me think his client took Caylees life to spite Cindy and may be using Caylees remains to squeeze every once of pain and suffering out of G&C that she can since she is a spitefiul B.

I agree w/you. Now that Baez has publicly stated that he is in charge of the remains, the delay for the funeral is falling on his shoulders and thus Casey's shoulders. It is not helping is very unlikeable client at all.

[BANJO GRANNY]

Yeah, I remember that. I think it was Cindy's b-day. I think Cindy drinks wine and thinks beer is something to shun because they had 'CLASS'.


Beer IMO is cheaper than wine. That is if you buy good wine.


JMO
Well I don't drink, I did in my younger days, but if I was gonna off myself it would be with pills and Jack Daniels



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[bchand]

If the slides are in order, G had already been taken away. But I can't understand why they would have to break in his car. G could have given them the keys. But what you posted makes sense. Maybe since he took so long to come to the door, they decided to look in his car to see what was there. JMO

I was wondering if the chief took off with George and his car keys but that George then gave them permission to use the slim jim. (Then how did they start the car?) I know they took his car home for him.

[?noanswer]

I think CW posted we're not supposed to use them anymore. :shrug:

I didn't think she said they couldn't be used. She just wanted the bickering about it to stop. For some reason all the post appear in black to me. I was using my daughters computer over the Christmas Holidays and they had color to them. I know there is some kind of setting, but I have searched and searched and none of the solutions work for me. JMO

[dixielover]

I agree w/you. Now that Baez has publicly stated that he is in charge of the remains, the delay for the funeral is falling on his shoulders and thus Casey's shoulders. It is not helping is very unlikeable client at all.

Do you think there is a possibly that he will not release the remans to G&A. Would Casey be that spiteful? Can Casey allow filming of Caylee funeral and get paid? imo

[Calla]

Yeah, I remember that. I think it was Cindy's b-day. I think Cindy drinks wine and thinks beer is something to shun because they had 'CLASS'.


Beer IMO is cheaper than wine. That is if you buy good wine.


JMO

Well I personally think she wanted to get wine coolers instead of beer because Casey requested beer and CIndy didn't want to supply Casey with her drink of choice since it was Cindy's b-day and not Casey the Queen of All's b-day....

[VC2]

I am on 5 drugs for bi polar..anyone taken wrongly can/will cause death. given I am mostly depressive and I need these pills it's a gamble wether I decide to end it as I have the meds..thank god because of the pills I am no where near the desperation in past.

I am on 5 meds for depression, a cocktail that at least lets me manage. I asked for a major tranquilizer to go to the dentist (i turn into a hysterical babbling trapped animal at the dentist) he said he could not prescribe one bc of my psych meds, he was worried that just one would interact with them and cause a possible death. Told me to take 3 ativan and two demoral since we knew that i haven't had problems with either and have taken them together. (i did look at him funny and ask how he knew i took an ativan at the same time as a demoral and he said bc i know you and pain. :laugh:)

I cant figure out how ppl see anxiety in the short one though??

[?noanswer]

Do you think there is a possibly that he will not release the remans to G&A. Would Casey be that spiteful? Can Casey allow filming of Caylee funeral and get paid? imo

Good questions, but I don't have any answers. The best I could think of is "Who knows what the A's will do?". JMO

[legalmania]

If the whole family knew that Caylee was dead on July 15,why did Cindy sound so panicked when she finally called 911 about her missing grandaughter.I am in the camp that all of the family knew and decided a cover up was necessary,but am puzzled why Cindy sounded so panicked on that call.I just dont think that was acting,alto she sure has done enough of it since.Maybe they went into coverup mode right after the phone call,because when Cindy went to Tony L she never once asked if he had Caylee.She never mentioned Caylee at all(that we know of)..certainly not normal for grandma who is looking for her missing granchild.IRC she did not even ask Amy where Caylee was

Yes I agree that was no acting job, unless they were setting Casey up and then changed their mind which would make no sense, the way they reacted at first was real and I think they thought Caylee would be found right away. Then denial set in after she wasn't found.

[SavannahStar]

I didn't think she said they couldn't be used. She just wanted the bickering about it to stop. For some reason all the post appear in black to me. I was using my daughters computer over the Christmas Holidays and they had color to them. I know there is some kind of setting, but I have searched and searched and none of the solutions work for me. JMO

Thanks for the response. (BTW your siggy line is a hoot!!!)

[bchand]

If the whole family knew that Caylee was dead on July 15,why did Cindy sound so panicked when she finally called 911 about her missing grandaughter.I am in the camp that all of the family knew and decided a cover up was necessary,but am puzzled why Cindy sounded so panicked on that call.I just dont think that was acting,alto she sure has done enough of it since.Maybe they went into coverup mode right after the phone call,because when Cindy went to Tony L she never once asked if he had Caylee.She never mentioned Caylee at all(that we know of)..certainly not normal for grandma who is looking for her missing granchild.IRC she did not even ask Amy where Caylee was

I don't think they "knew" until she made the 911 call. After making the call, and getting the police involved, I believe they all went into cover-up for Casey mode.

In George's call to Lee - he says get over there, Casey's in trouble. (He KNEW what that car smelled like at that point.)

George and Cindy searched their own yard for a body or signs of distress so it WAS in their minds.

I don't know if Cindy asked Amy or not but she knew Amy had just returned from vacation. I AM just surprised she didn't barge into Tony's apartment and check every room.

IMO

[SavannahStar]

I think what she said & meant was that if people were going to argue over the colors and make them an issue she would close the board.


Thanks also for your response, Brat. So anyone can use blue.....just no one should make comments about it. That makes sense!

[daHawg]

I agree it does look like a slim jim is being used on the car, however it could have been before George came to the door. The Chief did say it took awhile for George to come to answer.

JMOHere is a better video. The reason why I was posting it was because posters were debating that it was an IV shown in a pic on the wtfv slideshow pic #6. I was just showing that it was a tow truck driver with a slim jim not an EMT and an IV. But I think George has already been taken away at this point. Because when you see the LE walking back towards the motel after GA gets in the car there is no tow truck behind GA car. That is jmo.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8299552&version=1&locale=EN-US


http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18546214/detail.html

[Calla]

If the whole family knew that Caylee was dead on July 15,why did Cindy sound so panicked when she finally called 911 about her missing grandaughter.I am in the camp that all of the family knew and decided a cover up was necessary,but am puzzled why Cindy sounded so panicked on that call.I just dont think that was acting,alto she sure has done enough of it since.Maybe they went into coverup mode right after the phone call,because when Cindy went to Tony L she never once asked if he had Caylee.She never mentioned Caylee at all(that we know of)..certainly not normal for grandma who is looking for her missing granchild.IRC she did not even ask Amy where Caylee was

I think because Casey had already told her the baby was with the nanny...
They were in touch by phone at times before that day and Caasey had run CIndy all over the country to meet up hadn't she?..then Casey wouldn't show.
Wonder how many times she told Cindy, Caylee isn't with me at Amy's or Tone's...she is with this friend or that friend ?
I believe the phone call was legit and not an act at all...I also believe that Cindy believed Casey when she said the nanny took her..but the 'odor' in the damn car entered her mind too and I am sure she pushed that back as many times as she possibly could...

[8BellesFan]

I don't think they "knew" until she made the 911 call. After making the call, and getting the police involved, I believe they all went into cover-up for Casey mode.

In George's call to Lee - he says get over there, Casey's in trouble. (He KNEW what that car smelled like at that point.)

George and Cindy searched their own yard for a body or signs of distress so it WAS in their minds.

I don't know if Cindy asked Amy or not but she knew Amy had just returned from vacation. I AM just surprised she didn't barge into Tony's apartment and check every room.

IMO

he did know what the car smelled like, and called Lee to go over there. and when Cindy is on the phone hysterical and saying George, Caylee is missing he can be heard talking fairly calmly.

[?noanswer]

I think because Casey had already told her the baby was with the nanny...
They were in touch by phone at times before that day and Caasey had run CIndy all over the country to meet up hadn't she?..then Casey wouldn't show.
Wonder how many times she told Cindy, Caylee isn't with me at Amy's or Tone's...she is with this friend or that friend ?
I believe the phone call was legit and not an act at all...I also believe that Cindy believed Casey when she said the nanny took her..but the 'odor' in the damn car entered her mind too and I am sure she pushed that back as many times as she possibly could...

I'm not sure C believed KC story, but I think she definitely wanted to believe it. JMO

[sunstar]

If the whole family knew that Caylee was dead on July 15,why did Cindy sound so panicked when she finally called 911 about her missing grandaughter.I am in the camp that all of the family knew and decided a cover up was necessary,but am puzzled why Cindy sounded so panicked on that call.I just dont think that was acting,alto she sure has done enough of it since.Maybe they went into coverup mode right after the phone call,because when Cindy went to Tony L she never once asked if he had Caylee.She never mentioned Caylee at all(that we know of)..certainly not normal for grandma who is looking for her missing granchild.IRC she did not even ask Amy where Caylee was

You brought up something I really hadn't thought about until now ~ but you're right, she didn't ask (or at least it doesn't seem she did) about Caylee when she picked up Casey at Tony's apt. After smelling the car, it would seem that would be the first question. I don't think she knew Caylee was dead though. MOO

[SusiePMcD]

my dad is in the hospital and I have nobody here to comfort me but myself, since nobody knows how I feel, and I am so alone.

oooops, editing to add

C'mon! grrrrrr (mad face) (rage face)


Hi 8bell

I hope he gets better real soon.

[cassidy]

I don't think they "knew" until she made the 911 call. After making the call, and getting the police involved, I believe they all went into cover-up for Casey mode.

In George's call to Lee - he says get over there, Casey's in trouble. (He KNEW what that car smelled like at that point.)

George and Cindy searched their own yard for a body or signs of distress so it WAS in their minds.

I don't know if Cindy asked Amy or not but she knew Amy had just returned from vacation. I AM just surprised she didn't barge into Tony's apartment and check every room.

IMO

I agree with what you have said, but apothocary's question is a good one. If Cindy didn't know Caylee was dead when she went to TonE's apartment to retrieve Casey, why didn't she ask about Caylee then? Why didn't she say "get Caylee and come with me now"? Why did she wait until she got Casey home to question her about Caylee? I think I would have asked right there.

IMO

[BANJO GRANNY]

Do you think there is a possibly that he will not release the remans to G&A. Would Casey be that spiteful? Can Casey allow filming of Caylee funeral and get paid? imo

IMO Yes and Yes:cursing:




:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[8BellesFan]

I thought Cindy demanded to pick up Caylee the same night she picked up Casey, but Casey refused saying she was probably down for the night. No big surprise that Cindy had no idea where Zanny lived....Casey had her mother's hands tied at that point, nowhere to go but home or the police.

and no, I don't believe in Zanny Claus

[VC2]

This reminds me of "The Mark Hacking Case" remember he checked himself into a Motel after his wife Lorri went missing,etc.... just a show

as a Nurse if you wish to end your life, trust me you will find a way without sending message! Right there we would know that the person did really not wnt to comit the act, this famiily is in so much denial, all of them!

Therefore I do no not buy into this at all!!

I am stunned that a medical professional would say such a thing. :mad: Sure people will find a way but don't even suggest that they don't send messages before hand!!!!! Many a person has been saved because of those messages just in time. Others have not been so lucky. Some of those saved go out and manage to complete the act immediately upon release.

How dare you suggest that people who suffer from depression and feel like they have to say goodbye or whatever goes through their mind don't mean it or want to. Any and every single attempted suicide should be treated as seriously as if they completed the act and that means if all they found is a note and the person at work in a meeting. Did you read the sad sad case of the teen who decided to video his suicide, announced it in advance, put it on his facebook and then killed himself "live"? I guess bc he announced it in advance and sent a message to the whole darn world he didnt want to kill himself.. gah im disgusted that any person in medicine would believe what you stated.

IMO

[daHawg]

But his car was not towed as far I know. Someone clearly drove it home.Yes someone drove it home but IMHO it was not left at the motel that night it would be taken and secured at the Daytona police station until CA or someone could come and get it.

[legalmania]

I think CW posted we're not supposed to use them anymore. :shrug:

She said something like acting childish.

[Calla]

You brought up something I really hadn't thought about until now ~ but you're right, she didn't ask (or at least it doesn't seem she did) about Caylee when she picked up Casey at Tony's apt. After smelling the car, it would seem that would be the first question. I don't think she knew Caylee was dead though. MOO

Yes she did ask about Caylee..that's why the first phone call was made.

She told Casey to take her to Caylee or she was going to jail and Casey said take me to jail

[cassidy]

But his car was not towed as far I know. Someone clearly drove it home.

I think it may be a possibility that they opened up the car before they got into the motel room. Wasn't it said that it took George quite awhile to answer the door?

[8BellesFan]

Hi 8bell

I hope he gets better real soon.



nooooo..my Dad is not in the hospital. I was responding as Casey. Sorry for the confusion.:biggrin:

[Calla]

I agree with what you have said, but apothocary's question is a good one. If Cindy didn't know Caylee was dead when she went to TonE's apartment to retrieve Casey, why didn't she ask about Caylee then? Why didn't she say "get Caylee and come with me now"? Why did she wait until she got Casey home to question her about Caylee? I think I would have asked right there.

IMO

She did

at least I believe she did

[cassidy]

Yes she did ask about Caylee..that's why the first phone call was made.

She told Casey to take her to Caylee or she was going to jail and Casey said take me to jail

But she didn't ask about Caylee at Tone's did she? Or even look around his apartment for her?

[ConchGirl]

If the whole family knew that Caylee was dead on July 15,why did Cindy sound so panicked when she finally called 911 about her missing grandaughter.I am in the camp that all of the family knew and decided a cover up was necessary,but am puzzled why Cindy sounded so panicked on that call.I just dont think that was acting,alto she sure has done enough of it since.Maybe they went into coverup mode right after the phone call,because when Cindy went to Tony L she never once asked if he had Caylee.She never mentioned Caylee at all(that we know of)..certainly not normal for grandma who is looking for her missing granchild.IRC she did not even ask Amy where Caylee was

I listened to Cindy's FBI interview today. She mentions toward the very end of this video that she knew that Caylee was not there as soon as the door was opened to TonE's apt because it was full of smoke and Casey would not allow Caylee around smoke. :shrug: But she has no problem wrapping duct tape around her mouth and putting her in a garbage bag on the side of the road but no way would she be there with all the smoke. Very strange family dynamics indeed. moohttp://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.htmlIf you can stomach listening again!

[SusiePMcD]

No gag orders. Prosecution asked for one, but JB didn't want it!!! JMO

That is weird...

you would think the defence would want it...

more then the prosecution.

[SavannahStar]

I am stunned that a medical professional would say such a thing. :mad: Sure people will find a way but don't even suggest that they don't send messages before hand!!!!! Many a person has been saved because of those messages just in time. Others have not been so lucky. Some of those saved go out and manage to complete the act immediately upon release.

How dare you suggest that people who suffer from depression and feel like they have to say goodbye or whatever goes through their mind don't mean it or want to. Any and every single attempted suicide should be treated as seriously as if they completed the act and that means if all they found is a note and the person at work in a meeting. Did you read the sad sad case of the teen who decided to video his suicide, announced it in advance, put it on his facebook and then killed himself "live"? I guess bc he announced it in advance and sent a message to the whole darn world he didnt want to kill himself.. gah im disgusted that any person in medicine would believe what you stated.

IMO

:rose:

Holy moly!.....I missed that post you responded to, VC. :ohmy:

[legalmania]

I think it may be a possibility that they opened up the car before they got into the motel room. Wasn't it said that it took George quite awhile to answer the door?

skipped right over the 4th amendment.

[cassidy]

I listened to Cindy's FBI interview today. She mentions toward the end of this video that she knew that Caylee was not there as soon as the door was opened to TonE's apt because it was full of smoke and Casey would not allow Caylee around smoke. :shrug: But she has no problem wrapping duct tape around her mouth and putting her in a garbage bag on the side of the road but no way would she be there will all the smoke. Very strange family dynamics indeed. moohttp://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.htmlIf you can stomach listening again!

Thanks I can't listen to it again, but I'll take your word for it :)

[catdoc]

They are released sooner. The minute they are deemed no longer at risk of harming themselves or another they can be released.

In many years of admitting patients from the ER to the psych ward under the Baker act I have never seen one released in less than 72 hours. I'm sure it occasionally happens. It was reported that Brittney was out in 1 day. I've heard of cases that were "mistakes", meaning they were "set up" by a malicious spouse or other domestic situation and were never even remotely suicidal.

Usually the admitting physician as well as the psychiatrist has to sign out on the discharge. The main reasons they are not released earlier are that:
1. 3 days is the minimum amount of time to do a complete evaluation.
2. It takes 3 days to get some lab back and reports on cat scans, EEG's, toxicology quantitation, etc.
3. If you release early even though you have the legal right to keep them longer, you open yourself up to malpractie suits if they go home and attempt suicide.

[dixielover]

But most don't threaten it only, they do it. I do know that as, you always say, I know it for a fact due to experience.

Did anyone say who GA actually text about suicide?

[cassidy]

In many years of admitting patients from the ER to the psych ward under the Baker act I have never seen one released in less than 72 hours. I'm sure it occasionally happens. It was reported that Brittney was out in 1 day. I've heard of cases that were "mistakes", meaning they were "set up" by a malicious spouse or other domestic situation and were never even remotely suicidal.

Usually the admitting physician as well as the psychiatrist has to sign out on the discharge. The main reasons they are not released earlier are that:
1. 3 days is the minimum amount of time to do a complete evaluation.
2. It takes 3 days to get some lab back and reports on cat scans, EEG's, toxicology quantitation, etc.
3. If you release early even though you have the legal right to keep them longer, you open yourself up to malpractie suits if they go home and attempt suicide.

Question:
If George went voluntarily, would they still envoke the Baker Act?

[sunstar]

Yes she did ask about Caylee..that's why the first phone call was made.

She told Casey to take her to Caylee or she was going to jail and Casey said take me to jail

Yes, I remember the call, but was thinking more of when she arrived at Tony's apt. I don't recall him saying anything about her asking about Caylee then. I'm sorry I should've been more specific! :)

[Calla]

But she didn't ask about Caylee at Tone's did she? Or even look around his apartment for her?

She sent Amy up to TOne's door then made Casey get her things..and Casey says she was coming back but CIndy told her no.

THen CIndy tells her they are going to get Caylee..that she had given her 30 days or soemthing like that.

Casey won't tell her where Caylee is. They are riding around Cindy tells her if she doewn't take her to Caylee she is taking her to jail and I was under the impression that Cindy called from the car and tells them she is bringing someone in....and so on.

There is where everyone gets confused about reporting the car that Casey drives as stolen. Cindy was going to have Casey charged with unathorized use of a motor vehicle and theft for the money she had taken from her grand parents (and maybe Amy too).
She was using that as a scare tactic to get Casey to take her to Caylee. She did not realize that Casey couldn't be scared...:scared:

[daHawg]

It was driven home that night. The video of it being returned is in the darkness.
Correct. However and this is only my opinion the car MAY have been towed to the station to be secured UNTIL someone came and retrieved it. Even if it wasn't towed and left there at the motel there is a flatbed tow truck clearly visible in the video and a IMO once again tow truck driver using a slim jim to open up the car.

[shadowdiana]

Question:
If George went voluntarily, would they still envoke the Baker Act?

He got into the car voluntarily...I don't know if his admittance to the hospital was voluntary or not. No public info yet that I can see.

[sunstar]

I listened to Cindy's FBI interview today. She mentions toward the very end of this video that she knew that Caylee was not there as soon as the door was opened to TonE's apt because it was full of smoke and Casey would not allow Caylee around smoke. :shrug: But she has no problem wrapping duct tape around her mouth and putting her in a garbage bag on the side of the road but no way would she be there with all the smoke. Very strange family dynamics indeed. moohttp://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.htmlIf you can stomach listening again!

And yet I thought Amy said Casey had taken Caylee to a party at least once before? Or maybe nobody was smoking? :shrug:

[cassidy]

No, they have to offer you voluntary first. Then if you refuse they can invoke involuntary.

So it's possible he is there of his own volition?

[catdoc]

Question:
If George went voluntarily, would they still envoke the Baker Act?

All the reports I have read said he was " Baker Acted", which is what I would expect. That is so he cannot voluntarily check in and voluntarily check himself back out a few hours later when he sobers up.

[nana6]

Hi friends, How is everyone here tonight? Do you have any new news since this morning?

[Calla]

I know and it is this constant bickering between the two that resulted in this baby's death.


JMO

She shoulda bought the beer I guess

[legalmania]

If a few of you continue to be so childish playing and posting with "colors", I will either ban you and/or close the forum for the night and maybe the weekend.

This is a warning board.

[SavannahStar]

Thank You SS. Could you please post a link on here for that ruling from CW.

TIA

I apparently misinterpreted her post. Several have responded to me since then, clarifying it. You can read those. I believe anyone can use colors, blue included, but NO snarky comments or bickering about them. That's the way it's been explained to me.

[cassidy]

Yes, it is possible.

Thanks I was a little confused on that. The one article I read stated that Chitwood said he choose to go voluntarily. Then I read on that said it was the Baker Act. Could be either way then I guess.

[Calla]

Question:
If George went voluntarily, would they still envoke the Baker Act?

because of the texts and 'letter'..that would be enough.
He had a choice to go voluntarily or not

[dixielover]

Thanks I was a little confused on that. The one article I read stated that Chitwood said he choose to go voluntarily. Then I read on that said it was the Baker Act. Could be either way then I guess.

I saw a lawyer on one of the station last night and she stated he could walk anytime he wanted to- I guess he chose to be there voluntarily imo

[achristie]

This isn't an outpatient situation- it is a possible suicide- wouldn't happen on my watch imo

Dixie, they assessed him, he was coherent, reports are they put in a butterfly (haven't seen it so I can't confirm) and they took him to the hospital. He was awake, alert, and ambulating? Why involve the ambu and everything else? No need for it.

MOO Aggie

[Calla]

What do you mean by this?

Are you saying it would have mattered?

I don't think so.
No I was just responding regarding their constant bickering...and that Cindy should have just done what Casey wanted as far as Casey was concerned. I guess it would've mattered to Casey but no one else

[SavannahStar]

Hi friends, How is everyone here tonight? Do you have any new news since this morning?

Hi nana!!!!! :smile: No news, just rehashing.

[daHawg]

The press wouldnt know, and the police wouldnt be allowed to report that.... it is covered under HIPAA! If you are really a doctor you would know that.
If he went voluntarily with the Chief then the Chief did not have to Baker Act him but once at the hospital could the docs have invoked the Baker Act on him to hold him? I am not to up on the legalistics of the Baker Act itself.

[gaelicpeas]

That is weird...

you would think the defence would want it...

more then the prosecution.IMO, the only hope the defense has is to spin it in the media. Hence their opposition to the gag order. JMO.

[legalmania]

Thanks I was a little confused on that. The one article I read stated that Chitwood said he choose to go voluntarily. Then I read on that said it was the Baker Act. Could be either way then I guess.

He basically had no choice. He said it would be better to go voluntarily but either way he was morally, personally and legally obliged to do it.

[dixielover]

Dixie, they assessed him, he was coherent, reports are they put in a butterfly (haven't seen it so I can't confirm) and they took him to the hospital. He was awake, alert, and ambulating? Why involve the ambu and everything else? No need for it.

MOO Aggie

who put in a butterfly- I wasnt aware the EMT was on the scene.- were they? imo

[legalmania]

If he went voluntarily with the Chief then the Chief did not have to Baker Act him but once at the hospital could the docs have invoked the Baker Act on him to hold him? I am not to up on the legalistics of the Baker Act itself.

You're better off.

[catdoc]

What is the official reason for the delay of the funeral? Is it that Baez' team are waiting on genetic testing? Heard that on NG, I think.

[Calla]

Hi friends, How is everyone here tonight? Do you have any new news since this morning?


Hi nana.............

[bluebelle]

Ok Thanks, but do you think George and Cindy will blame Casey for this or do you think Cindy will blame George. (for George's conduct)?

I think Cindy will blame the media, she & casey don't seem to know how to accept responsibility for their actions. I feel very sad for George & their extended families. :rose:

[sunstar]

What is the official reason for the delay of the funeral? Is it that Baez' team are waiting on genetic testing? Heard that on NG, I think.

I heard it was Baez waiting for toxicology and other test results. MOO

[shadowdiana]

Dixie, they assessed him, he was coherent, reports are they put in a butterfly (haven't seen it so I can't confirm) and they took him to the hospital. He was awake, alert, and ambulating? Why involve the ambu and everything else? No need for it.

MOO Aggie

There was no IV. That was cleared up in a video posted up thread.
Most people would think it reasonable to transport him by car; faster (maybe); he is walking, etc.
In real life, that is not the usual procedure; MOST of the time a case like this would be handled with EMT's etc both for the patient's sake, and to cover liabilty issues if something DID happen during transport.

The Sheriff made a judgment call. It turned out OK.
However, had George suddenly stopped breathing, or started to choke on his own vomit, the Sheriff's office would be liable for not providing an appropriate environment for care to someone who has been drinking and had reportedly ingested medications.

All MOO...this is the standard of care where I am

[achristie]

Congrats Regina.Lampet on #12,000 post:thumbup::beer:

It should be 24,000. I think, at one time, she got banned.:D

Sorry, Miss Regina. Couldn't resist.

MOO Aggie

[SusiePMcD]

nooooo..my Dad is not in the hospital. I was responding as Casey. Sorry for the confusion.:biggrin:

Oh...my bad... problem

[achristie]

Exactly. This was obviously a non emergency.


It may well have been a nonmedical emergency.

MOO Aggie

[legalmania]

What is the official reason for the delay of the funeral? Is it that Baez' team are waiting on genetic testing? Heard that on NG, I think.

Baez claims it is the prosecution that won't let him get all the reports to compare to his reports. I am still fuzzy if he did the second autopsy or not. That's the way I understand it also.

[shadowdiana]

I do not agree that was necessarily against procedure. I have seen police take people to the hospital many times without calling an ambulance and I know others here have too.

That is true; but this case involves an attempted suicide with known ingestion of substances.
IMO they coukd be quite liable if he should have any incident in transpport.

All my opinion. I am not a lawyer.
We can agree to disagree.

[Calla]

They could if they needed to do it at the hospital but if he was willing then I cant imagine why they would attempt an involuntary admission. We really dont know, maybe he agreed to go to the hospital but refused admission? I do not think it matters anyway because the 72 hours is not a minimum stay, it is a maximum and he can be released anytime if he is no longer in danger.

I know I have never been commited. I should be but that is beside the point.

I have had someone committed. If they pose a threat to themselves or others, under the law, they can be held for the specified time and have no choice about it. A note that is deemed to be questionable regarding the state of mind of a person, and if that person has stated on t.v. that they had considered killing themselves (as George had)..then they can be held.

its all MO but I am pretty sure I am correct

[sinagua]

Perhaps the delay in the funeral is that there are no funds to pay for it.

[WillowInFlight]

Baez claims it is the prosecution that won't let him get all the reports to compare to his reports. I am still fuzzy if he did the second autopsy or not. That's the way I understand it also.

Wasn't it reported on NG that the second autopsy took place before Christmas?

[Calla]

Perhaps the delay in the funeral is that there are no funds to pay for it.

That is very possible IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Perhaps the delay in the funeral is that there are no funds to pay for it.

IMO the funeral home will probably waiver payment.

[8BellesFan]

The Baker Act has provisions for both voluntary and involuntary admissions.

[?noanswer]

Wasn't it reported on NG that the second autopsy took place before Christmas?

Yes. I don't know if JB wants to do a 3rd autopsy or if he is waiting on LE's report. Personally, I think he should stop while he is ahead. LE said they didn't find anything. If JB continues and finds something, then he will have to turn it over to LE. Seems the man can't figure out when he is ahead. JMO

[Calla]

IMO the funeral home will probably waiver payment.

That's possible too..but then again it depends on who owns it and which side of the fence they are on.
I know I have read some opinions and if the ones who held certain opinions owned the funeral home, full payment would be expected MOO

[WillowInFlight]

Yes. I don't know if JB wants to do a 3rd autopsy or if he is waiting on LE's report. Personally, I think he should stop while he is ahead. LE said they didn't find anything. If JB continues and finds something, then he will have to turn it over to LE. Seems the man can't figure out when he is ahead. JMO

Oh good Lord what sense does it make to do a third one?

[WillowInFlight]

That's possible too..but then again it depends on who owns it and which side of the fence they are on.
I know I have read some opinions and if the ones who held certain opinions owned the funeral home, full payment would be expected MOO

As much as I am "anti Anthony" I would wavier the cost.

[?noanswer]

IMO the funeral home will probably waiver payment.

There should not be that much to charge for. Just a casket/urn and if cremated, the cremation. If they have the service at the FH, then I think they charge for that. But there would not be any body preparation, embalbing, etc. Course if they are charging a storage fee, that is increasing every day. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

There should not be that much to charge for. Just a casket/urn and if cremated, the cremation. If they have the service at the FH, then I think they charge for that. But there would not be any body prepration, embalbing, etc. Course if they are charging a storage fee, that is increasing every day. JMO

I would make them bill Baez for the storage fee. Storage fee, that just sounds so wrong.

[sunstar]

Perhaps the delay in the funeral is that there are no funds to pay for it.

Many times funeral homes will accept payments if the family is in financial need. And it wouldn't cost that much for cremation unless the family chooses an expensive casket. MOO

[shadowdiana]

I would make them bill Baez for the storage fee. Storage fee, that just sounds so wrong.

Yes :scared:

[?noanswer]

I would make them bill Baez for the storage fee. Storage fee, that just sounds so wrong.


I agree, Funeral Homes probably have a better sounding term than the one I used. JMO

[sunstar]

Oh good Lord what sense does it make to do a third one?

I don't get it either. The ME's report was so nonspecific to begin with, what are they going to argue? :confused:

[ConchGirl]

If George was trying to divert attention from the latest bombshell doc dumps, I must say it has worked. The discussion on this board has been all about suicide and Baker act ever since.

I was wondering about the yellow bucket found buried in the Anthony's backyard with animal bones.

[Calla]

Correct about what? I did not dispute anything you said above. But they do have a choice if a Doctor determines they are no longer a threat.
You said maybe he refused admission. My response was an explanation as to why he could not refuse admission because the law would not allow it with the evidence they likely had..being notes, pill bottles, beer, and text messages.
See below underlined and bolded. That is what I gave my opinion on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bratlings
They could if they needed to do it at the hospital but if he was willing then I cant imagine why they would attempt an involuntary admission. We really dont know, maybe he agreed to go to the hospital but refused admission? I do not think it matters anyway because the 72 hours is not a minimum stay, it is a maximum and he can be released anytime if he is no longer in danger.

I know I have never been commited. I should be but that is beside the point.

I have had someone committed. If they pose a threat to themselves or others, under the law, they can be held for the specified time and have no choice about it. A note that is deemed to be questionable regarding the state of mind of a person, and if that person has stated on t.v. that they had considered killing themselves (as George had)..then they can be held.

its all MO but I am pretty sure I am correct

[IM4Truth]

That is true; but this case involves an attempted suicide with known ingestion of substances.
IMO they coukd be quite liable if he should have any incident in transpport.

All my opinion. I am not a lawyer.
We can agree to disagree.

There are many cases where a patient is taken into custody under the Baker Act that they are not transported by ambulance. The sheriff determined that he was alert enough to go in the car.

[WillowInFlight]

If George was trying to divert attention from the latest bombshell doc dumps, I must say it has worked. The discussion on this board has been all about suicide and Baker act ever since.

I was wondering about the yellow bucket found buried in the Anthony's backyard with animal bones.

Probably because it was new news associated with the case.

[Calla]

As much as I am "anti Anthony" I would wavier the cost.

You know what..that is nice to know.

I am sure you are right. There are likely wonderful people at that business and they probably will.

[IM4Truth]

That is correct. Voluntary admissions can still check themselves out too. So can involuntary unless a Doctor wants to pursue holding them by a legal filing.

Is he still in or was he released? (I've been gone)

[shadowdiana]

There are many cases where a patient is taken into custody under the Baker Act that they are not transported by ambulance. The sheriff determined that he was alert enough to go in the car.


I am aware of that, thank you. :smile:
The key here is ingestion of substances, plus danger to self. Please see my previous post that explains the reasoning.

[sunstar]

If George was trying to divert attention from the latest bombshell doc dumps, I must say it has worked. The discussion on this board has been all about suicide and Baker act ever since.

I was wondering about the yellow bucket found buried in the Anthony's backyard with animal bones.

I don't think that was his intention, but I'll agree it has taken away from the very damaging information in the documents, and from the news of LE testing the duct tape found on the gas can at the Anthonys' house. And I haven't heard anybody (media) mentioning the animal bones. :sad: MOO

[WillowInFlight]

You know what..that is nice to know.

I am sure you are right. There are likely wonderful people at that business and they probably will.

Calla, I think people in that business have a special kind of compassion, I think they will do the right thing.

[sunstar]

Is he still in or was he released? (I've been gone)

I haven't heard anything. :shrug:

[Calla]

Do you have any links proving any of that?

I don't have a link to it but Chitwood said that he informed George he could not leave him after George asked to be left alone.

I don't know his exact words but it was on Greta or Nancy that I heard him say that

[WillowInFlight]

It was on WFTV, and others news, that LE talked to George for nearly 45 minutes and explained his rights, Baker Act, and he could choose to go either way. I do believe George knew and was corherent. Look it up in the tv reports I think Conway said it also.

Thats how I understood it also.

[achristie]

There was no IV. That was cleared up in a video posted up thread.
Most people would think it reasonable to transport him by car; faster (maybe); he is walking, etc.
In real life, that is not the usual procedure; MOST of the time a case like this would be handled with EMT's etc both for the patient's sake, and to cover liabilty issues if something DID happen during transport.

The Sheriff made a judgment call. It turned out OK.
However, had George suddenly stopped breathing, or started to choke on his own vomit, the Sheriff's office would be liable for not providing an appropriate environment for care to someone who has been drinking and had reportedly ingested medications.

All MOO...this is the standard of care where I am

Of course it turned out okay. That is my point. They assessed the situation and decided there was no need for anything else. Waaay too much CYA things that are required today. More red tape and expense when it's not necessary.

MOO Aggie

[Calla]

They CAN refuse voluntary admission and then involuntary admission would be invoked! What part of that do you not understand?

I understand every single part and parcel of it

[VC2]

So it's possible he is there of his own volition?

The cops did a Baker Act incident report so it seems like it was under that.

[legalmania]

I don't have a link to it but Chitwood said that he informed George he could not leave him after George asked to be left alone.

I don't know his exact words but it was on Greta or Nancy that I heard him say that

Here's a link gotta whole lot to choose from.

http://www.psychlaws.org/StateActivity/florida.htm

[summer4meplz]

If George was trying to divert attention from the latest bombshell doc dumps, I must say it has worked. The discussion on this board has been all about suicide and Baker act ever since.

I was wondering about the yellow bucket found buried in the Anthony's backyard with animal bones.

I've been kinda busy this weekend so this went past me....without going to any trouble, just your memory is good enough for me...do you remember where you heard that?

me bold thanks