Saturday January 24th - Part 1

[cherish]

There is a difference between a threat and an attempt. It's the intent of the person.
Was George crying for help, or did he want to kill himself. There is a cavernous gap between the two
People whe are absolutely sincere about ending it all, do not make threats. Thats why the number of pills he took matters. If it was a cry for help, he is welcoming change. If not, and he sincerely wanted "to go quietly into that good night" his focus was NOT in the mortal world

People who are absolutely sincere about ending it all, already threatened and no one listened.

I really don't understand what your point is. George is hurting and he is hurting so bad that he wishes he was dead. What change
could he possibly be welcoming? The nanny did it? Pizza and beer?

[KKKKKKatie]

Makes it easier to find my own posts when I go back and of course "it's my signature color." *


*obscure movie reference from Steel Magnolias.

I love your blue posts...makes it easier for me to find you too! :biggrin:

[SavannahStar]

When NG's transcripts are up I will post them. NG stated "...........for Caylee to WEAR." That is the statement I found absurd. There are only bones, no body for jewelry to be put on.

The notion of putting jewelry in with the bones is not something I would do either, perhaps a favorite toy, stuffed animal but jewelry? Nope.


Oh well yes I agree, for Nancy to say that, was absurd. :laugh: That's not what the news reports or the original doc said though. It was Nancy who as usual put her spin on it.

Just like it was absurd when she said Laurean had a three-day barbecue over Maria Lauterbach's body.

NG gets a lot of stuff wrong.

IMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

Seems someone else is all about being a narcissist.....;) Not me....I didn't complain on a message board about a poor little girl that when someone quoted me, my color wasn't there.

True...but you seem to be the one carrying it on.

Yesterday it was said that Cindy asked George to go and buy jewelry for Caylee to be buried in. Has that changed and I missed it? Did she only ask about what she should be buried with?

[Explorer]

The best thing that could happen for george is that he is removed from that house. I could see him wanting to kill himself if he stayed there with cindy.

[bchand]

Maybe Caylee liked Mommom Cindy's Earrings or Necklace....or some piece of jewelry that Caylee liked that they wanted to leave with her....

Not saying that is the case, but goodness....it's possible

The odd thing to me is that she would assign this task to George. If it was in the house, why wouldn't Cindy just go get it?

IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

GM n/t

The jewelry leads me to believe the A's are planning a burial as opposed to cremation. Cindy wants to place something of Caylee's in the casket.
I also believe Cindy knows all the details. Wasn't it reported George and Cindy sat with Caylee's remains at the funeral home?


Morning Ell! Yesterday there were links about jewelry you could put ashes into and services that made diamonds out of ashes, maybe the anthonys are thinking along these lines.

I think you're right about no cremation. baez has stated they are taking their time with the second exam because they want to avoid disinterring the remains in the future.

[n/t]

Did you get my pm?

Yes and replied. :smile:

[trich]

Where did you hear that?

In case this was not answered yet...
I read that before Baez ammended the witness list there were only 3 names on it(besides asking for all pro witnesses too) and Kathi's was not on it.
Then I read somewhere on IS that she had quit.
Guess it remains to be seen.
But I think the new guy they got from Canada does what she does.

[farrahrani]

Good Morning Everyone

I read that also, I wonder since Caylee liked all that stuff that they were just going to put some in her coffin for her.....I was also wondering why Cindy was mad when she got to the hospital - could it be because he didn't follow thru with it or do you think (as I do) that she was afraid he would spill his guts to the doctors there? She always has the upper hand in this situation. The note he wrote and blaming the "friends", I was wondering if it just meant that she had changed once she started hanging out with them. But, they all worked and went to school - and she was stealing and lying to get by. jmoo

Or maybe he deviated from the format of the note that she had instructed? I somehow am still not sure whether this was a plan, or whether he did this on his own. I'm torn on it. No matter what I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, even when they have proved dishonest in the past.

I posted last night that I don't believe Casey's negative behaviors (lying and theft) were picked up overnight, with meeting ''new friends''. I still believe that she had these behaviors all though her life, maybe in lesser degrees. Nothing major at first. But I bet if you ask her ''old friends'' they probably knew not to leave their purses laying around, or the change from the grocery store on the dashboard if she was riding with them. Things like that. Nothing worth fighting over, just enough so you KNOW it was her.

IMO

[mosey?]

People who are absolutely sincere about ending it all, already threatened and no one listened.

I really don't understand what your point is. George is hurting and he is hurting so bad that he wishes he was dead. What change
could he possibly be welcoming? The nanny did it? Pizza and beer?My point? I thought I made it clear. I would like to learn what his intent was. As far a what change George would like in his life, I dont know, that's a question for George. But I am reminded of the time he said (paraphrased "I would gladly give my life to have Caylee back."
Maybe he thinks God is set to deal

I wonder if we are still talking about George, or if the subject has become more personal with you. If so, I apologize, not my intent. Maybe it was the word "hollow"
Bottom line: I would like to know if George was serious about killing himself or not. One or the other demands a different track of thought, for me.

[SavannahStar]

True...but you seem to be the one carrying it on.

Yesterday it was said that Cindy asked George to go and buy jewelry for Caylee to be buried in. Has that changed and I missed it? Did she only ask about what she should be buried with?

I think the actual report said something like "had George pick out some jewelry for Caylee for her funeral."

[Explorer]

The odd thing to me is that she would assign this task to George. If it was in the house, why wouldn't Cindy just go get it?

IMO

I thought that too, Why would she ask george to get the jewelry. That is like throwing salt on an open wound.

[KKKKKKatie]

Or maybe he deviated from the format of the note that she had instructed? I somehow am still not sure whether this was a plan, or whether he did this on his own. I'm torn on it. No matter what I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, even when they have proved dishonest in the past.

I posted last night that I don't believe Casey's negative behaviors (lying and theft) were picked up overnight, with meeting ''new friends''. I still believe that she had these behaviors all though her life, maybe in lesser degrees. Nothing major at first. But I bet if you ask her ''old friends'' they probably knew not to leave their purses laying around, or the change from the grocery store on the dashboard if she was riding with them. Things like that. Nothing worth fighting over, just enough so you KNOW it was her.

IMO

If I am not mistaken the theft from the Grandparents was before she met Tony et all. So much for George's theory!

[n/t]

The best thing that could happen for george is that he is removed from that house. I could see him wanting to kill himself if he stayed there with cindy.

Yesterday, one of the psychiatrist experts on one of the talk shows said exactly what I was thinking. Usually, if a marriage is a good one and two people love each other, they lean on one another in tragedies like this. If a marriage is already in peril and there are problems within that marriage, it usually leads to one or the other feeling alone and thinking they have no one who understands them and that's when there is a risk of depression and possible suicide as was the case here.

It made alot of sense considering we know there were issues in the marriage way before Caylee went "missing".

[KKKKKKatie]

I think the actual report said something like "had George pick out some jewelry for Caylee for her funeral."

thanks SS...that makes much more sense to me than buying something new for her

[AMS]

Good morning everyone.

Drew Petrameux on Nancy Grace, reported last night that cynthia rolled to the hospital to visit george yesterday and that she was "angry." Wonder what she's "angry" about now?

Also, yesterday conway stated that he doesn't keep the anthonys up to date on all the gory details (heart sticker, duct tape) that's his job to know those things. Anybody falling for that one?

IMO, the anthonys follow this case with as much devotion as all of us, they know about the duct tape and sticker and certainly have a copy of the search warrant given them on 12/11.


Even though Cindy claims she (and her friends) will never watch NG again, I bet she is glued to the TV every night. IMO she needs to know every detail that is being said.

IMO

[Explorer]

I watched the video of the lady that took the Anthonys trash. There was a hat that was all ripped up. Its the same hat that Anne Downing was wearing in one of the pictures. Does anyone know why that hat was in their trash and all torn up?

[bchand]

Yesterday, one of the psychiatrist experts on one of the talk shows said exactly what I was thinking. Usually, if a marriage is a good one and two people love each other, they lean on one another in tragedies like this. If a marriage is already in peril and there are problems within that marriage, it usually leads to one or the other feeling alone and thinking they have no one who understands them and that's when there is a risk of depression and possible suicide as was the case here.

It made alot of sense considering we know there were issues in the marriage way before Caylee went "missing".

I'm sure that's true. Early on one or both of them stated that this had brought them closer. But of course that was when they had hope that Caylee was still alive.

This changes everything IMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

I watched the video of the lady that took the Anthonys trash. There was a hat that was all ripped up. Its the same hat that Anne Downing was wearing in one of the pictures. Does anyone know why that hat was in their trash and all torn up?

We saw that at the time and talked about it. Most thought that they must have had a falling out??? It seems to be ripped. Now that we have seen Casey's temper I tend to believe this.

[trich]

Good Morning Everyone

I read that also, I wonder since Caylee liked all that stuff that they were just going to put some in her coffin for her.....I was also wondering why Cindy was mad when she got to the hospital - could it be because he didn't follow thru with it or do you think (as I do) that she was afraid he would spill his guts to the doctors there? She always has the upper hand in this situation. The note he wrote and blaming the "friends", I was wondering if it just meant that she had changed once she started hanging out with them. But, they all worked and went to school - and she was stealing and lying to get by. jmoo

My 2 cents is I would be pissed too ...if my husband did not care enough to be with me in this terrible time and prefered to kill himself and lea ve me to take care of "things" by myself ...well I would be mad as heck at him.
Now if he indeed is accusing Casey's friends of being responsible for Casey's actions he still has not got a grip on reality.

[AMS]

I cant begin to imagine what the A's are going thu! I dont even know these ppl and I am still sick with grief for them! I had a lot of issues against george and was feeling sorry for Cindy for having to support the 3 of them and prescious Caylee w/NO help at all! at least, thats what we hear......I have been up all night thinking about the A's ( I know. pretty sad huh?) and I feel ashamed for judging George the way that I have previously! I am NO one to tell how one should act when they go thru such a tragedy as this. He ( they ALL) are living in hell on earth and with NO light at the end of this anytime soon! I have a bad feeling that something horrible will happen b4 the trial starts! one other thing, They say George is looking for a job. IF you had a company and he applied there, would YOU hire him?
just curious.


No, I wouldn't hire him right now.

If the doctor nows says he can't work due to psychological issues, will he receive any kind of state/federal aid $$$$?

[Explorer]

We saw that at the time and talked about it. Most thought that they must have had a falling out??? It seems to be ripped. Now that we have seen Casey's temper I tend to believe this.

Thanks for the reply

[AMS]

someone on another website thinks that george blames the friends because he thinks that they were a bad influence on CaA. He doent think they killed her.

George said in the past that prior to meetings these friends Casey did not party or drink. If she stopped in at clubs it was just to make sure here friends were OK. :wink:

[Regina.Lampert]

Even though Cindy claims she (and her friends) will never watch NG again, I bet she is glued to the TV every night. IMO she needs to know every detail that is being said.

IMO

Morning AMS. As controlling as cynthia is, you betcha she's listening to every word. Probably has four or five binders by now.

[n/t]

I watched the video of the lady that took the Anthonys trash. There was a hat that was all ripped up. Its the same hat that Anne Downing was wearing in one of the pictures. Does anyone know why that hat was in their trash and all torn up?

Many things were speculated at the time. Casey got mad at Anne for saying or doing something and cut up the hat or the dogs got to it....

I don't think we'll ever know.

[SavannahStar]

Why? That's such a personal decision and tells me a LOT about their relationship. They should have done it together, and Cindy should have shut her pie hole and not demand that George to do it by himself.

That's beyond cruel if you ask me. I can just imagine that house, Cindy spouting off orders, while George sulks away with tail between his legs. Hell, I'd want to go off to a hotel and get drunk too!

Sorry, but Cindy needs a dose of reality!

IMHO

I don't know why. Maybe she was doing something else at the time regarding plans for the funeral, and in that way they were sharing the responsibilities? Who knows. I just think it's really petty to be critical of either one of them over this jewelry business. For the longest time there was criticism of them for not even wanting "to lay this poor child to rest"......now we see they are making plans for it and the criticism still doesn't end. :shrug:

Just another reason for my criticism of the Sunshine Laws...we never would have known that very private detail of what they were doing before George left, or what plans were being made for the funeral, if it were not for that one document being plastered all over for us to see.

This is where I just have to repeat: it's really NONE of our business.

:mad:

IMO of course.

[Regina.Lampert]

George said in the past that prior to meetings these friends Casey did not party or drink. If she stopped in at clubs it was just to make sure here friends were OK. :wink:

Why she was like a "mother" to them....... :biggrin:

[n/t]

My 2 cents is I would be pissed too ...if my husband did not care enough to be with me in this terrible time and prefered to kill himself and lea ve me to take care of "things" by myself ...well I would be mad as heck at him.
Now if he indeed is accusing Casey's friends of being responsible for Casey's actions he still has not got a grip on reality.

Wow. I'd be so afraid for him and very concerned not pissed off but that's just me.

[AMS]

Why she was like a "mother" to them....... :biggrin:

She was Mother of the Year, after all. :wink:

[SavannahStar]

Good point....very possible and likely

Might have been too much for George though :(

Oh I agree. And Cindy herself said that, as was reported in that document. Sorry I keep saying "that document" because I can't think of what it's called. Saw the .pdf file....the police report about the call in for George being missing.

You know in some ways I don't understand the Sunshine Laws. I mean, I'm sure there are a ton of adults who go missing in FL all the time....but I don't see the police report of them in my newspaper or on local TV. But....since it was GEORGE ANTHONY, it was out there for us......

:sad:

[MGM111]

Well as many people have said so far that there are pieces of jewelry that you can carry your loved one's ashes in as well....

as I said it's possible....

Good Morning

Seems odd to me that cynthia would task him with this...knowing that he was very distraught...she certainly has given the impression that she is is dealing with this horrible situation much better than he...poor george...this may have been the straw that broke the camels back? jmo

[farrahrani]

If I am not mistaken the theft from the Grandparents was before she met Tony et all. So much for George's theory!


I bet if LE goes further back, to even Casey's jr. high and high school days, they'll get even further proof xp.

Her development seems to have stopped at early teen years. Consider the hearts around her ''married'' name as Casey (insert TonE's last name here) on that paper LE found in her car. Her inappropriate giggles and often cheerful behavior during LE interviews in the beginning. (Joking about the uncomfortable chair for instance) Only wanting TonE's phone number after being arrested. Most normal people would be nervous and asking about what LE has told the family (even the guilty suspects) instead she only wants to talk to her boyfriend BECAUSE HE'S HER BOYFRIEND (her reason, lol)

My point is that most of her ''young'' behaviors seemed to stick. She even used her school days hangout, or an area close enough to qualify, as the place to hide the evidence. Other behaviors probably began in her youth as well, and were never trained out of her. If she had gotten counseling as they manifested, she probably could have benefited.

IMO

[n/t]

I don't know why. Maybe she was doing something else at the time regarding plans for the funeral, and in that way they were sharing the responsibilities? Who knows. I just think it's really petty to be critical of either one of them over this jewelry business. For the longest time there was criticism of them for not even wanting "to lay this poor child to rest"......now we see they are making plans for it and the criticism still doesn't end. :shrug:

Just another reason for my criticism of the Sunshine Laws...we never would have known that very private detail of what they were doing before George left, or what plans were being made for the funeral, if it were not for that one document being plastered all over for us to see.

This is where I just have to repeat: it's really NONE of our business.

:mad:

IMO of course.

I may be wrong but the incident report has nothing to do with the Sunshine Law.

It's been reported in the media so we discuss it. That's what message boards are about but you know that. You may not like it or may disagree with it but you do have the option of not following this case or any case. This is just the beginning. We haven't even started with the trial yet.

[bchand]

Good Morning

Seems odd to me that cynthia would task him with this...knowing that he was very distraught...she certainly has given the impression that she is is dealing with this horrible situation much better than he...poor george...this may have been the straw that broke the camels back? jmo

Yes I agree. In fact when asked how Cindy is doing Conway says ok, as well as can be expected.

When asked about George, he says that George will always say he is ok, but he isn't. (according to Conway.)

I really do notice, all throughout this case, that the men who come into contact with this family ALWAYS seem to have sympathy for George. They really seem to like this guy. (Tim, NeJame, Lenny, etc.)

[jammies]

That is truly something, isn't it? As far as I know, all of casey anthony's friends had jobs and/or were going to school and making something of their lives. Unlike the spoiled rotten brat he had for a daughter.


Yes, it's horrible he's blaming them but on the other hand I understand WHY he's going there. He's still looking at her like she's a teenager that got hooked up with the wrong crowd.

Unfortunately, she was an adult in age but around 15 in mentality. GA can't wrap his mind around the fact that CASEY and ONLY CASEY is responsible. Casey is still his little girl and that's exactly how he treated her. And Casey knew how to play him to the hilt. Just watching those jail tapes makes it obvious he looked at her as a child.

Actually, GA seems very immature too. He doesn't act like a mature man who is in charge of his life. From what we DO know about him he's impulsive, doesn't think things through, can't hold a job, makes excuses, irresponsible,and generally seems to be a gad-about. Sound familiar?

I know everyone see's Cindy in Casey. I see GA. Casey talks like her mother but acts like her father. I'm thinking when he looks at Casey he sees his mirror image and that's got to be uncomforable. He knows in his heart she killed her daughter and is filled with guilt. As a Father, HE was supposed to keep a handle on his kids, be a role model, steer his kids in the right direction, be strong, a provider, and on and on. I think he is finally realizing what COULD have been and it's too late. Too late for HIM to grow up and go back in time.

That's my first waking thoughts.......fwiw. I may be on the wrong track but I've been going down it for a long time now and yesterday just confirmed my thoughts. (for me, anyway!)

Anyway, GOOD MORNING!!!!

[SavannahStar]

I may be wrong but the incident report has nothing to do with the Sunshine Law.

It's been reported in the media so we discuss it. That's what message boards are about but you know that. You may not like it or may disagree with it but you do have the option of not following this case or any case. This is just the beginning. We haven't even started with the trial yet.

Did you read the part where I said we don't see those types of reports on other missing adults? Not sure if it does or doesn't have anything to do with the Sunshine Law.....

I also have the option, let me remind you, of discussing this case and giving my opinion.

The trial is altogether different. I've said on here often enough that what we are privy to now (via the Sunshine Laws) is what I would expect and want to see AT TRIAL. Not before.

I think a lot of it can taint a jury pool. Absolutely.

[SavannahStar]

Well the documents are probably available to the public in all the other missing people cases and related issues......just the newpapers and local TV news don't bother because it won't help their revenues.....this case does draw viewers. Pretty Simple IMO

Okay gottcha. It IS pretty simple when you put it that way. I just feel very sorry for the Anthonys to have that stuff out there.

[n/t]

Yes I agree. In fact when asked how Cindy is doing Conway says ok, as well as can be expected.

When asked about George, he says that George will always say he is ok, but he isn't. (according to Conway.)

I really do notice, all throughout this case, that the men who come into contact with this family ALWAYS seem to have sympathy for George. They really seem to like this guy. (Tim, NeJame, Lenny, etc.)

That's so true, bchand. I wonder if these men witnessed some of what was really going on in that household especially when the suspected murdereder was out on bail. Cindy herself said Casey yells at George as much as she does. I don't know how he continues to put up with it....or not.

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes, it's horrible he's blaming them but on the other hand I understand WHY he's going there. He's still looking at her like she's a teenager that got hooked up with the wrong crowd.

Unfortunately, she was an adult in age but around 15 in mentality. GA can't wrap his mind around the fact that CASEY and ONLY CASEY is responsible. Casey is still his little girl and that's exactly how he treated her. And Casey knew how to play him to the hilt. Just watching those jail tapes makes it obvious he looked at her as a child.

Actually, GA seems very immature too. He doesn't act like a mature man who is in charge of his life. From what we DO know about him he's impulsive, doesn't think things through, can't hold a job, makes excuses, irresponsible,and generally seems to be a gad-about. Sound familiar?

I know everyone see's Cindy in Casey. I see GA. Casey talks like her mother but acts like her father. I'm thinking when he looks at Casey he sees his mirror image and that's got to be uncomforable. He knows in his heart she killed her daughter and is filled with guilt. As a Father, HE was supposed to keep a handle on his kids, be a role model, steer his kids in the right direction, be strong, a provider, and on and on. I think he is finally realizing what COULD have been and it's too late. Too late for HIM to grow up and go back in time.

That's my first waking thoughts.......fwiw. I may be on the wrong track but I've been going down it for a long time now and yesterday just confirmed my thoughts. (for me, anyway!)

Anyway, GOOD MORNING!!!!


Well, if this is your first post, we have a treat in store for the rest of the day cuz imo you hit it out of the park. I agree with every word.

Good morning Jammies.

[KKKKKKatie]

I bet if LE goes further back, to even Casey's jr. high and high school days, they'll get even further proof xp.

Her development seems to have stopped at early teen years. Consider the hearts around her ''married'' name as Casey (insert TonE's last name here) on that paper LE found in her car. Her inappropriate giggles and often cheerful behavior during LE interviews in the beginning. (Joking about the uncomfortable chair for instance) Only wanting TonE's phone number after being arrested. Most normal people would be nervous and asking about what LE has told the family (even the guilty suspects) instead she only wants to talk to her boyfriend BECAUSE HE'S HER BOYFRIEND (her reason, lol)

My point is that most of her ''young'' behaviors seemed to stick. She even used her school days hangout, or an area close enough to qualify, as the place to hide the evidence. Other behaviors probably began in her youth as well, and were never trained out of her. If she had gotten counseling as they manifested, she probably could have benefited.

IMO

ITA with everything you wrote. From my own personal experience that development stops the minute drugs are introduced (in my daughters case pot). That is why I have often wondered if Casey was smoking it from her early teens. IMO

[bchand]

Yes, it's horrible he's blaming them but on the other hand I understand WHY he's going there. He's still looking at her like she's a teenager that got hooked up with the wrong crowd.

Unfortunately, she was an adult in age but around 15 in mentality. GA can't wrap his mind around the fact that CASEY and ONLY CASEY is responsible. Casey is still his little girl and that's exactly how he treated her. And Casey knew how to play him to the hilt. Just watching those jail tapes makes it obvious he looked at her as a child.

Actually, GA seems very immature too. He doesn't act like a mature man who is in charge of his life. From what we DO know about him he's impulsive, doesn't think things through, can't hold a job, makes excuses, irresponsible,and generally seems to be a gad-about. Sound familiar?

I know everyone see's Cindy in Casey. I see GA. Casey talks like her mother but acts like her father. I'm thinking when he looks at Casey he sees his mirror image and that's got to be uncomforable. He knows in his heart she killed her daughter and is filled with guilt. As a Father, HE was supposed to keep a handle on his kids, be a role model, steer his kids in the right direction, be strong, a provider, and on and on. I think he is finally realizing what COULD have been and it's too late. Too late for HIM to grow up and go back in time.

That's my first waking thoughts.......fwiw. I may be on the wrong track but I've been going down it for a long time now and yesterday just confirmed my thoughts. (for me, anyway!)

Anyway, GOOD MORNING!!!!

Morning jammies - great post so early in the morning !!

I really agree as far as George is concerned. You put it perfectly.

[farrahrani]

ITA with everything you wrote. From my own personal experience that development stops the minute drugs are introduced (in my daughters case pot). That is why I have often wondered if Casey was smoking it from her early teens. IMO

Interesting...I have lived with some serious pot addicts though...they couldn't survive without getting that hit first thing in the morning, before even rubbing the dust out of their eyes, and it was the first thing they ran to in the evening, before even greeting anyone. They had their own personality disorders, but arrested development wasn't one of them.

I'm thinking she has a serious case of arrested development. She seems to have not progressed beyond a thirteen or fourteen year old's behavior. And giving her honesty problem she probably did not have ''close'' friends able to identify the problem. They probably chalked up her odd or inappropriate behavior to, 'oh that's just Casey'

[HumblePie]

Yes, it's horrible he's blaming them but on the other hand I understand WHY he's going there. He's still looking at her like she's a teenager that got hooked up with the wrong crowd.

Unfortunately, she was an adult in age but around 15 in mentality. GA can't wrap his mind around the fact that CASEY and ONLY CASEY is responsible. Casey is still his little girl and that's exactly how he treated her. And Casey knew how to play him to the hilt. Just watching those jail tapes makes it obvious he looked at her as a child.

Actually, GA seems very immature too. He doesn't act like a mature man who is in charge of his life. From what we DO know about him he's impulsive, doesn't think things through, can't hold a job, makes excuses, irresponsible,and generally seems to be a gad-about. Sound familiar?

I know everyone see's Cindy in Casey. I see GA. Casey talks like her mother but acts like her father. I'm thinking when he looks at Casey he sees his mirror image and that's got to be uncomforable. He knows in his heart she killed her daughter and is filled with guilt. As a Father, HE was supposed to keep a handle on his kids, be a role model, steer his kids in the right direction, be strong, a provider, and on and on. I think he is finally realizing what COULD have been and it's too late. Too late for HIM to grow up and go back in time.

That's my first waking thoughts.......fwiw. I may be on the wrong track but I've been going down it for a long time now and yesterday just confirmed my thoughts. (for me, anyway!)

Anyway, GOOD MORNING!!!!

Wow. I know George has issues but never appreciated the severity of his issues. You're probably right. It's easier to blame Cindy the Cheerleader, because in general, it's easier to blame women for family problems. However, Grampy George gets an almost automatic pass, when in fact, he is nothing more than an immature little boy. :thumbup:

[Explorer]

ITA with everything you wrote. From my own personal experience that development stops the minute drugs are introduced (in my daughters case pot). That is why I have often wondered if Casey was smoking it from her early teens. IMO

This is what I thought too. I think she got into drugs. Drugs can warp an already pre conditioned mind to act on fantasy. That would explain running with a new crowd . Her behavior was more bold the lies were more outragous. She might have been able to be controlled before but her drug use gave her a false sense of being invincible.

[HumblePie]

A belated good morning to all. My manners are a little rusty after being send to "band camp". :smile:

[SavannahStar]

A belated good morning to all. My manners are a little rusty after being send to "band camp". :smile:


Welcome back. :smile:

[HumblePie]

Hi SavannahStar

I'm sorry George was suicidal but the police were notified after a few hours because George is missing but the family continued to neglect Caylee's disappearance for over a month. Sad, state of affairs. :cursing:

[KKKKKKatie]

Interesting...I have lived with some serious pot addicts though...they couldn't survive without getting that hit first thing in the morning, before even rubbing the dust out of their eyes, and it was the first thing they ran to in the evening, before even greeting anyone. They had their own personality disorders, but arrested development wasn't one of them.

I'm thinking she has a serious case of arrested development. She seems to have not progressed beyond a thirteen or fourteen year old's behavior. And giving her honesty problem she probably did not have ''close'' friends able to identify the problem. They probably chalked up her odd or inappropriate behavior to, 'oh that's just Casey'

My daughter started at 14.....stopped pot at 19 but was still 14 if you know what I mean. While her friends were going to collage she was still hanging with a much younger crowd and acting like she was still an early teen. She is 31 now and doing great but she would tell you that it took her a long time to catch up emotionally.

I agree with you that she has some kind of arrested development. Not sure of the cause (pot, G & C not forcing her to be responsible) but I sure see it.

[~jomomma~]

morning everybody

i haven't read thru the whole doc dump but a couple of things i noticed.

i'm glad to see they did search tony's vehicle.

and....the gas gauge WAS working. i can't remember, was george one who said it wasn't working?

[WillowInFlight]

Wow. I know George has issues but never appreciated the severity of his issues. You're probably right. It's easier to blame Cindy the Cheerleader, because in general, it's easier to blame women for family problems. However, Grampy George gets an almost automatic pass, when in fact, he is nothing more than an immature little boy. :thumbup:

I for one don't give him a pass, the stunt he pulled was selfish. I understand that he is grieving, maybe he would have been better off turning towards his church. IMO

[8BellesFan]

All of them have anger issues. All of them have emotional ME syndrome.

[WillowInFlight]

morning everybody

i haven't read thru the whole doc dump but a couple of things i noticed.

i'm glad to see they did search tony's vehicle.

and....the gas gauge WAS working. i can't remember, was george one who said it wasn't working?

Good morning jomomma, I hope you are doing well. Didn't Cindy say one of Casey's friends fixed the gauge?

[SavannahStar]

Hi SavannahStar

I'm sorry George was suicidal but the police were notified after a few hours because George is missing but the family continued to neglect Caylee's disappearance for over a month. Sad, state of affairs. :cursing:

We can disagree on certain issues, but I still welcome you back, whoever you are. I'd hate a message board where all agreed. It would be dull, doncha think?

I believe they did not "neglect" Caylee's disappearance for over a month. In everything I read, they were very, very concerned. They were assured by Casey (phone calls, texts from her) that Caylee was "wherever" with the nanny, or couldn't talk on the phone for whatever reason. They were suspicious. But when someone you love keeps telling you everything is okay, and has plenty of excuses, you tend to believe them, despite niggling doubts in your mind.

If they had called the police earlier it would not have changed the outcome, keep that in mind. LE is certain Caylee was killed very early on.

I believe that Casey, as an adult with sole custody of her daughter, unfortunately had every right to keep Caylee away. So I doubt that anything the Anthonys could have done during that month-long period would have done a bit of good.

IMO.

[n/t]

morning everybody

i haven't read thru the whole doc dump but a couple of things i noticed.

i'm glad to see they did search tony's vehicle.

and....the gas gauge WAS working. i can't remember, was george one who said it wasn't working?

Good to see you here! (((hugs))) :wub:

IIRC, it was George.

[Pruddennce]

This is what I thought too. I think she got into drugs. Drugs can warp an already pre conditioned mind to act on fantasy. That would explain running with a new crowd . Her behavior was more bold the lies were more outragous. She might have been able to be controlled before but her drug use gave her a false sense of being invincible.

she had not worked for almost 2 years. certain behaviour started way before she met 'her new crowd' per several witnesses. she was a liar. her brother stated she stole checks from him and Ryan P.

she stole from her parents.

as stated many times, the people she was now hanging with worked, and/or went to school, paid their own way and were living independent of their parents.....sharing apartments, rent.

Casey didnt have a job and from the looks of her lifestyle that was evolving in March, April and May, she had no intentions of seeking employment to be on her own.

remember: she formulated a huge lie for Amy H's consideration, that she was going to have her parents' house, they were moving out, Amy agreed to be her roomate, share the home and expenses with her. Amy believed her and after continued inquiries of Casey as to when (after several bogus dates were thrown about for Amy to plan), casey told her it was off. Amy had already made plans for the move.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[openminded]

Okay, I fumed quite a bit today. First I felt so sorry for George when I heard that he was threatening to kill himself because I thought all the lies and obstructions of justice were getting to him. I though that had brought him to the point where he was ready to give it all up and admit that he knew Casey was lying through her teeth.

Then I discovered that he had written pages about how strong and wonderful Casey is and how she could never hurt her little girl, and I was off the wall with anger. How could he be so dense?!

My stance right now is that he got sick and tired of Cindy and he knew he'd never get the job so he ran off to the ocean to drink himself into oblivion. He got melancholy from all the beer and started texting people telling them that he wanted to die.

I think that if they had left him alone, he would have woke up the next morning with a big head and gone home to Cindy.

I don't know. I might have an entirely new theory tomorrow, but this is where I stand tonight.

I'm with you. I have never before been so conflicted about a person in a case. I wish I could just pick one side or the other and stay there but that doesn't work, for me, when it comes to George. I endlessly waffle about him in a way that I don't do about Cindy.

I think that George is a very weak person but I think he would like to do the right thing regarding Caylee and I still keep hoping that he will. I really don't think that Cindy will so I'm pinning my hopes on George. Again.

[HumblePie]

I for one don't give him a pass, the stunt he pulled was selfish. I understand that he is grieving, maybe he would have been better off turning towards his church. IMO

Good for you, because I admit that early on, I was too accepting of Grampy George. It's taken me a while to realize he's as guilty as Cindy. Many close to me, feel George is a battered husband, but I'm not buying it. :blushing:

[openminded]

I think it was casey who had the rosary beads (wearing them like a necklace), maybe TonE is Catholic and it was more of that chameleon thing. I don't think the family is Catholic. All I recall is they have their Pastor from a local church-nothing about a Priest.

I don't think they are either. I seem to remember that a supporter sent/gave the rosary beads to Casey.

The response from either George or Cindy (can't remember which one) was vague when Greta or someone asked about religion but whoever responded didn't say they were Catholic.

[WillowInFlight]

Good for you, because I admit that early on, I was too accepting of Grampy George. It's taken me a while to realize he's as guilty as Cindy. Many close to me, feel George is a battered husband, but I'm not buying it. :blushing:

After seeing glimpses of his temper, I'm not buying it.

[WillowInFlight]

If they had called the police earlier it would not have changed the outcome, keep that in mind. LE is certain Caylee was killed very early on.



IMO.

Thanks for that reminder Savannah, I know for a fact that I tend to forget that tidbit.

[Pat]

I agree Cherish.

George spoke of suicide in the past during one his interviews. LE removed a gun from the spare tire wheel of his car.

I think the recent doc dump and planning Caylee's funeral services pushed George to that edge. Sometimes one can only handle so much pain and they just want it go away.

I cannot imagine the pain and turmoil in this family's life for the last six months. I know a lot of the things that have happened is because of their own words and actions.

IMO, things could have been handled differently. I wish they would have hired a reputable spokesperson in the beginning and learned to say "no comment". I really think things would have been different and the public would have a little more compassion for the family.

jmo

It is interesting to note that Rick, Cindy's brother, was telling Cindy their stance on Casey was totally unrealistic, they were unbelievable and need to stay out of the limelight, and that they were alienating the very people they needed to support them.

He also told her the facts pointed to Casey having killed Caylee and that they all needed to face facts or Casey would end up on DR.

He also told her both she and George needed some kind of mental health counselor to help them through this.

In other words, he was telling Cindy what all of us here on the board have been saying.

Cindy shut him down. Can you imagine George living with Cindy with this attitude? He told the FBI he had told Cindy they would need lawyers before this was over. I couldn't survive in that atmosphere.

[HumblePie]

After seeing glimpses of his temper, I'm not buying it.

I agree. In fact, I found his conduct frightening. George is an angry man and seems controlling in his own manipulative way. Watching him "trying to defend" the family home provided a lot of insight into his personality. :scared:

[shellzbi]

Yes, it's horrible he's blaming them but on the other hand I understand WHY he's going there. He's still looking at her like she's a teenager that got hooked up with the wrong crowd.

Unfortunately, she was an adult in age but around 15 in mentality. GA can't wrap his mind around the fact that CASEY and ONLY CASEY is responsible. Casey is still his little girl and that's exactly how he treated her. And Casey knew how to play him to the hilt. Just watching those jail tapes makes it obvious he looked at her as a child.

Actually, GA seems very immature too. He doesn't act like a mature man who is in charge of his life. From what we DO know about him he's impulsive, doesn't think things through, can't hold a job, makes excuses, irresponsible,and generally seems to be a gad-about. Sound familiar?

I know everyone see's Cindy in Casey. I see GA. Casey talks like her mother but acts like her father. I'm thinking when he looks at Casey he sees his mirror image and that's got to be uncomforable. He knows in his heart she killed her daughter and is filled with guilt. As a Father, HE was supposed to keep a handle on his kids, be a role model, steer his kids in the right direction, be strong, a provider, and on and on. I think he is finally realizing what COULD have been and it's too late. Too late for HIM to grow up and go back in time.

That's my first waking thoughts.......fwiw. I may be on the wrong track but I've been going down it for a long time now and yesterday just confirmed my thoughts. (for me, anyway!)

Anyway, GOOD MORNING!!!!


Good Morning, You are spot on.

[farrahrani]

Good to see you here! (((hugs))) :wub:

IIRC, it was George.

Didn't Casey complain about running out of gas two weeks in a row, blaming it on her gas gauge? IIRC it was in a text to Amy or someone. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[Neffy]

It is interesting to note that Rick, Cindy's brother, was telling Cindy their stance on Casey was totally unrealistic, they were unbelievable and need to stay out of the limelight, and that they were alienating the very people they needed to support them.

He also told her the facts pointed to Casey having killed Caylee and that they all needed to face facts or Casey would end up on DR.

He also told her both she and George needed some kind of mental health counselor to help them through this.

In other words, he was telling Cindy what all of us here on the board have been saying.

Cindy shut him down. Can you imagine George living with Cindy with this attitude? He told the FBI he had told Cindy they would need lawyers before this was over. I couldn't survive in that atmosphere.

Their constant companions are now Milstead, Dominic C. and Conway.
Paid support.

[Neffy]

Didn't Casey complain about running out of gas two weeks in a row, blaming it on her gas gauge? IIRC it was in a text to Amy or someone. Correct me if I'm wrong.

IIRC she relayed this to TonE.

George mentions it but in passing as this needed to be looked into whether or not gauge was broke while at Johnsons Wrecker I think.

[SavannahStar]

Thanks for that reminder Savannah, I know for a fact that I tend to forget that tidbit.


You're welcome Willow...and good morning! :smile:

[Pretty Leaf]

The Anthony's have said in the past that they are Catholic (rosary beads)
I may be mistaken, but don't Catholics believe a person can't go to heaven after committing suicide?

My deep sympathies to George and the hell on earth he must be living.

Being a Catholic not all go to hel@ if comitting suicide. Now I don't believe the old adeges of the church but having grown up in a stanch Catholic family, bishop and all, a person with a mental defect or even a murderer ect can reach heaven if the go to purgatory first an makes amends.

[Neffy]

Since you brought it up....did you know she was smoking pot at age 14? I'd imagine she lied to you during that time....did you recognize she was lying to you? Apparently while she was under your supervision she continued since she did it until 19 years of age...correct?
Just curious....trying to follow here.

I don't believe that was the analogy or topic that she was touching on.

It's not free game to take an analogy and go in depth in a different direction just because you want to be nosy.

[SavannahStar]

It is interesting to note that Rick, Cindy's brother, was telling Cindy their stance on Casey was totally unrealistic, they were unbelievable and need to stay out of the limelight, and that they were alienating the very people they needed to support them.

He also told her the facts pointed to Casey having killed Caylee and that they all needed to face facts or Casey would end up on DR.

He also told her both she and George needed some kind of mental health counselor to help them through this.

In other words, he was telling Cindy what all of us here on the board have been saying.

Cindy shut him down. Can you imagine George living with Cindy with this attitude? He told the FBI he had told Cindy they would need lawyers before this was over. I couldn't survive in that atmosphere.

I don't have a lot good to say about Rick, simply for the fact he was out there on boards "airing dirty laundry." Sure, he may have been very frustrated with Cindy and George. But IMO it was not constructive to go out in public with private family information. No matter how you look at it. Of course, it was devoured by "us" (generic "us") who craved ANY info about the case, most particularly "PERSONAL AND PRIVATE" info. Tsk tsk. :mad:

IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

You're welcome Willow...and good morning! :smile:

Good morning dear, with Cindy talking about picking out jewelery for the funeral maybe they are in the process of getting it underway. I am really hoping they don't have a public memorial. This whole case has already been too much of a circus.

[KKKKKKatie]

Since you brought it up....did you know she was smoking pot at age 14? I'd imagine she lied to you during that time....did you recognize she was lying to you? Apparently while she was under your supervision she continued since she did it until 19 years of age...correct?
Just curious....trying to follow here.

yes I knew and she she was eventually sent away to a rehab for almost a year while still underage. Once she hit 18 there was nothing I could do except have her leave the house.

For me, it was easy to recognize that she had started taking drugs. It was very obvious.

[Neffy]

morning everybody

i haven't read thru the whole doc dump but a couple of things i noticed.

i'm glad to see they did search tony's vehicle.

and....the gas gauge WAS working. i can't remember, was george one who said it wasn't working?

:seeya:

I'd read where stains were found on Tony's car. I can't recall where but I don't think they amounted to anything it was noted however.

Do you recall this? Or anyone (just not you :) )

[Pat]

Morning Ell! Yesterday there were links about jewelry you could put ashes into and services that made diamonds out of ashes, maybe the anthonys are thinking along these lines.

I think you're right about no cremation. baez has stated they are taking their time with the second exam because they want to avoid disinterring the remains in the future.

That was what I took away from the jewelry issue and found most important. No cremation.

The consensus of the board was that Caylee's remains would be cremated, and that Baez has control of her remains.

Sounds like the Anthony's are making the arrangements and will have control in early February.

'Twill be interesting to see what February brings.

[n/t]

Didn't Casey complain about running out of gas two weeks in a row, blaming it on her gas gauge? IIRC it was in a text to Amy or someone. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I would have to look it up to be sure but yes she constantly ran out of gas. I don't recall if she told Amy or someone else but I'm guessing Amy because Amy bought her the gas can.

Where the heck did she go that she ran out of gas so often? Well at least we know it wasn't a gas gauge problem so did she drive around all day or what?

[SavannahStar]

Good morning dear, with Cindy talking about picking out jewelery for the funeral maybe they are in the process of getting it underway. I am really hoping they don't have a public memorial. This whole case has already been too much of a circus.


ITA, I PRAY they keep it private!!!

[WillowInFlight]

I don't have a lot good to say about Rick, simply for the fact he was out there on boards "airing dirty laundry." Sure, he may have been very frustrated with Cindy and George. But IMO it was not constructive to go out in public with private family information. No matter how you look at it. Of course, it was devoured by "us" (generic "us") who craved ANY info about the case, most particularly "PERSONAL AND PRIVATE" info. Tsk tsk. :mad:

IMO.

ITA but he sure did shed some light on the family dynamics.

[KKKKKKatie]

I don't believe that was the analogy or topic that she was touching on.

It's not free game to take an analogy and go in depth in a different direction just because you want to be nosy.

thanks Neffy. I did respond but will take it no further. My point was only that drugs can arrest development. And IMO I see that in Casey. I have no idea if I am right but it would explain some of her childish behavior.

[Regina.Lampert]

morning everybody

i haven't read thru the whole doc dump but a couple of things i noticed.

i'm glad to see they did search tony's vehicle.

and....the gas gauge WAS working. i can't remember, was george one who said it wasn't working?

Welcome back, Jo.

[jammies]

Wow. I know George has issues but never appreciated the severity of his issues. You're probably right. It's easier to blame Cindy the Cheerleader, because in general, it's easier to blame women for family problems. However, Grampy George gets an almost automatic pass, when in fact, he is nothing more than an immature little boy. :thumbup:


Thanks everyone for the kind responses. I should probably stop now before I go downhill!!

Humble, yes, the mom is ALWAYS blamed when things go wrong. Dads DO get a pass. Some think it's perfectly legitimate to blame Cindy for GA emasculation. I don't buy it. No man with a lick of self esteem would 'let' a woman take his manhood away.

I also believe that it's a bit easier for us with older children to understand the dynamics of this family. Until you have grown children that have at some point screwed up, it's difficult to "go there". I have 3 kids and one of them is MY mirror image. When he screwed up, even the littlest things, I took it to heart. I took it PERSONALLY! The other two I could be more objective about and calm.

The difference is that instead of coddling that child and making excuses, you work HARDER to make them responsible and accountable. That child is also capable of hurting you the most so you have to step up and be the ADULT. Not wallow in your own self pity. Your job is to get kids to adulthood no matter what your personal issues may be.

Not to go too far off topic, but I see this type of behavior being pervalent in our country. Parents acting like children, divorce, cheating, debt, "me me me", and the "having it all" b.s. "having it all" to me comes across as "having what I want regardless of the needs of my family". Kids come last in so many families because the parents "NEED". This case is a perfect example what CAN happen when parents REFUSE to grow up and be the adults their children are CRAVING.

Ok, rant over. Worn myself out. Back to cleaning the house!

bbl

[HumblePie]

Good morning dear, with Cindy talking about picking out jewelery for the funeral maybe they are in the process of getting it underway. I am really hoping they don't have a public memorial. This whole case has already been too much of a circus.

Wouldn't it be refreshing to see this family do something in private? :ohmy:

[Pruddennce]

I believe that Casey, as an adult with sole custody of her daughter, unfortunately had every right to keep Caylee away. So I doubt that anything the Anthonys could have done during that month-long period would have done a bit of good.

IMO.

above respectfully snipped.....

I agree with you. there was nothing legally they could do...

however,

it crosses my mind quite often based on witnessing Cindy's ability to easily lie or withhold information from LE about certain things, without taking a breath, and what we have witnessed regarding her 'relationship/behaviour' lies regarding Casey, well, IMO it was much much more dire of a situation that may have required legal intervention in an effort to ensure Caylee's wellbeing.

the seriousness of finding her car smelling like decomposition and then refusing to acknowledge the seriousness of that situation: IMO, she exercised the same disregard, or out of sight out of mind posture that she traditionally employed when faced with a serious situation concerning her daughter which automatically flows to Caylee.

it appears from co-workers statements that Cindy didnt feel she could afford custody (full or otherwise) as it would entail additional costs she was already carrying daily. (daycare would be required)

so was there really a very serious situation that Cindy and George ignored or hoped would go away on its own?

IMO, there are many secrets and one major one is protecting decisons that were made or not made prior to Casey taking off.

Im not calling this blame, Im simply pointing out from what we have witnessed, Cindy and George made significant efforts to conceal the behaviour of casey as it relates to her mothering skills.

they would not have been put in that position if they made a choice to not give interviews and talk about their daughter, good, bad or indifferent. and now, the attorney they have now continues to fuel their situation, while asking for privacy. that doesnt make sense in the 'real world'.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[KKKKKKatie]

morning everybody

i haven't read thru the whole doc dump but a couple of things i noticed.

i'm glad to see they did search tony's vehicle.

and....the gas gauge WAS working. i can't remember, was george one who said it wasn't working?

Welcome back you! {{{BigHugs}}}

[n/t]

Good morning dear, with Cindy talking about picking out jewelery for the funeral maybe they are in the process of getting it underway. I am really hoping they don't have a public memorial. This whole case has already been too much of a circus.

I'm hoping they have a private one with invited guests only. It would be nice if they invited Tim Miller and his team, OC officers. I agree that a free for all public memorial would be disastrous.

[SavannahStar]

ITA but he sure did shed some light on the family dynamics.

Well only if you believe ONE person's point of view. I'd feel better making a judgment if we had everyone in the family (friends too, though they aren't out there in the public...they surely had SOME friends) giving a say-so about the family. I always thought Rick had a particular axe to grind. I just need more (than most people) to make a concrete decision on what I think about those family dynamics.

[WillowInFlight]

Great post Jammies, I don't think the moms are always to blame, I do believe in cases of daughters, yes the mom is usually blamed. And I know exactly what you mean about taking it personally. My youngest daughter is my carbon copy, it's almost scary.

[Neffy]

That was what I took away from the jewelry issue and found most important. No cremation.

The consensus of the board was that Caylee's remains would be cremated, and that Baez has control of her remains.

Sounds like the Anthony's are making the arrangements and will have control in early February.

'Twill be interesting to see what February brings.

I thought it was interesting that interviews with Baez stated he thought the utmost of Conway. Conway's interview stated aggravation with the delay in the funeral which is under Baez control.

January was a constant train wreck.

Looking forward to February myself :)

[SavannahStar]

So did you kick her out at 18? And when did you send her to rehab for a year? I've never heard of any rehab programs that were almost a year.....so that seems a bit odd......

Sorry just analyzing the situation like people here do......anyone else hear of a rehab program that is almost a year long?

I haven't.

My son has a friend who got VERY VERY heavy into prescription drugs...he is really a goner, it's SO sad. He has been in and out of rehabs for a couple of years now, but as far as I know, none were more than a few months.

[SavannahStar]

Wouldn't it be refreshing to see this family do something in private? :ohmy:


That won't happen thanks to the media and the Sunshine Laws of FL. IMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

So did you kick her out at 18? And when did you send her to rehab for a year? I've never heard of any rehab programs that were almost a year.....so that seems a bit odd......

Sorry just analyzing the situation like people here do......anyone else hear of a rehab program that is almost a year long?

I will not go into this anymore with you. I stated my opinion about why I think Casey may have been doing drugs in her teens and the rest of your questions are off topic.

The only thing I will say (for other who might need it) there are excellent programs in Utah for young teens.

:seeya:

[zinnia]

So did you kick her out at 18? And when did you send her to rehab for a year? I've never heard of any rehab programs that were almost a year.....so that seems a bit odd......

Sorry just analyzing the situation like people here do......anyone else hear of a rehab program that is almost a year long?

Actually some programs run until the minor is 18; sometimes up to 3 years. My son dabbled in meth and no I did not recognize it only the behavoir change. Thought he was going through teenage angst. I was working, single and until I knew the facts didn't realize how far he had gone. So I can almost understand George and Cindy not seeing/wanting to see Caseys lack of maturity. Time slips by and its easy to tell yourself its not what you think it might be. The quilt when you realize how far off your perception is can be overhwhelming.

[AMS]

So did you kick her out at 18? And when did you send her to rehab for a year? I've never heard of any rehab programs that were almost a year.....so that seems a bit odd......

Sorry just analyzing the situation like people here do......anyone else hear of a rehab program that is almost a year long?

Yes. My friends sent their high school daughter to a program that was at least a year long.

[KKKKKKatie]

Actually some programs run until the minor is 18; sometimes up to 3 years. My son dabbled in meth and no I did not recognize it only the behavoir change. Thought he was going through teenage angst. I was working, single and until I knew the facts didn't realize how far he had gone. So I can almost understand George and Cindy not seeing/wanting to see Caseys lack of maturity. Time slips by and its easy to tell yourself its not what you think it might be. The quilt when you realize how far off your perception is can be overhwhelming.

Amen zinnia!

[HumblePie]

That won't happen thanks to the media and the Sunshine Laws of FL. IMO.

The purpose of the Sunshine Laws seems to be obfuscated by the salacious elements of the media. We all want transparency but these laws can taint a jury pool or worse. In the UK (our legal system is built upon the UK System of Common Law) they "leak" very little, if any information. I'm for everything being brought out during pre-trial reciprocal discovery and at the time of trial. :thumbsup:

[~jomomma~]

I will not go into this anymore with you. I stated my opinion about why I think Casey may have been doing drugs in her teens and the rest of your questions are off topic.

The only thing I will say (for other who might need it) there are excellent programs in Utah for young teens.

:seeya:

thank you everybody....i'm trying to work thru a very emotional time. i don't even feel like the same person. i've been reading here for a couple days but it's been hard to even post.

and yes, i remember in high school, someone i knew was sent to utah by her parents. i don't remember exactly how long she was there but it was a long time.

[farrahrani]

I would have to look it up to be sure but yes she constantly ran out of gas. I don't recall if she told Amy or someone else but I'm guessing Amy because Amy bought her the gas can.

Where the heck did she go that she ran out of gas so often? Well at least we know it wasn't a gas gauge problem so did she drive around all day or what?


That's what broke people go through xp. I know, because my ex buys my gas. I often run out in between visits to the gas station. Once I ran out on the same block the gas station was, and he had to stop on the way over and pick his gas can up at his place >.<

My guess is that Casey ran her car as far as she could on whatever little money she put into it because she was reluctant to keep hitting up people for gas money, since she supposedly had a job and all the rest of her expenses were paid.

If she had a credit card on Cindy's account and it could have been used for gas, most likely she used up the balance on it. I remember there was some kind of fuss about a credit card or something at some point.

But yeah if you are unemployed and money is real tight (as in my case) and whoever is supporting you puts you through hell whenever you mention needing something (as I am sure Cindy never passed up an opportunity) it would be no wonder she let her car run out of gas and called Amy or Ricardo or anyone for help as her gas gauge was "broken"

[zinnia]

Amen zinnia!

And sadly enough it was when Cindy wanted Casey to grow up that it all exploded.

[trich]

I for one don't give him a pass, the stunt he pulled was selfish. I understand that he is grieving, maybe he would have been better off turning towards his church. IMO

I agree that what Geroge did was very selfish!

[WillowInFlight]

And sadly enough it was when Cindy wanted Casey to grow up that it all exploded.

I don't think there were ever any boundaries set as far Casey was concerned.

[KKKKKKatie]

And sadly enough it was when Cindy wanted Casey to grow up that it all exploded.

that is how I see it also....the whole thing is just sad :sad:

[Pat]

Well only if you believe ONE person's point of view. I'd feel better making a judgment if we had everyone in the family (friends too, though they aren't out there in the public...they surely had SOME friends) giving a say-so about the family. I always thought Rick had a particular axe to grind. I just need more (than most people) to make a concrete decision on what I think about those family dynamics.

The emails released between Casey's grandmother and her sister indicate the grandmother and especially the sister had a pretty good handle on Casey.

The grandmother's sister's feelings on how Cindy and George enabled Casey were pretty clear...I've read posts here that pretty much said the same thing.

Cindy might be in denial but her family certainly isn't.

[zinnia]

I don't think there were ever any boundaries set as far Casey was concerned.

Except when she stole from Cindys parents. I think that was when Cindy could no longer deny that Casey was out of control. I think that was the fight they had just before Caylee went missing; Cindy had finally had enough.

[SavannahStar]

The emails released between Casey's grandmother and her sister indicate the grandmother and especially the sister had a pretty good handle on Casey.

The grandmother's sister's feelings on how Cindy and George enabled Casey were pretty clear...I've read posts here that pretty much said the same thing.

Cindy might be in denial but her family certainly isn't.

You've mentioned two people, in addition to Rick. I'm talking about more. MUCH more.

[WillowInFlight]

Originally Posted by SavannahStar
If they had called the police earlier it would not have changed the outcome, keep that in mind. LE is certain Caylee was killed very early on.






Good morning all, I understand what you both are saying, but this keeps nagging me. I think they knew she didn't work, but they knew about the lying and stealing. They know she didn't pay for anything. So someone please help me understand, when casey went to leave with Caylee on the 15/16, why didn't they both or one of them tell casey she is NOT taking Caylee or the car with her. Why no threats of calling of reporting her to LE with the theft charges or the car if she took it?? Why has NO ONE stood up to casey??
jmo
I have been asking that for over 7 months, It just seemed easier for George and Cindy to look the other way, I think Casey tended to drain the life out of them at times. IMO

[summer4meplz]

:seeya:

I'd read where stains were found on Tony's car. I can't recall where but I don't think they amounted to anything it was noted however.

Do you recall this? Or anyone (just not you :) )


good morning everyone! I remember reading that....and since we don't have forensic results back yet, it MAY have been something.....poor tony.....I imagine he is having nightmares and I for one would never want to drive that car again.....

question...did cindy drive all the way to daytona and then decide not to see george or did george not want to see her or would the doctors not allow it?

[WillowInFlight]

Except when she stole from Cindys parents. I think that was when Cindy could no longer deny that Casey was out of control. I think that was the fight they had just before Caylee went missing; Cindy had finally had enough.

And Caylee paid the price. :sad:

[8BellesFan]

Originally Posted by SavannahStar
If they had called the police earlier it would not have changed the outcome, keep that in mind. LE is certain Caylee was killed very early on.






Good morning all, I understand what you both are saying, but this keeps nagging me. I think they knew she didn't work, but they knew about the lying and stealing. They know she didn't pay for anything. So someone please help me understand, when casey went to leave with Caylee on the 15/16, why didn't they both or one of them tell casey she is NOT taking Caylee or the car with her. Why no threats of calling of reporting her to LE with the theft charges or the car if she took it?? Why has NO ONE stood up to casey??
jmo


just a guess: they are all used to the hystrionic(sp) behavior of each other and probably adopted a wait it out attitude. they all seem to try to control each other by using their 'feelings' and a hit below the belt strategy.

[KKKKKKatie]

Originally Posted by SavannahStar
If they had called the police earlier it would not have changed the outcome, keep that in mind. LE is certain Caylee was killed very early on.






Good morning all, I understand what you both are saying, but this keeps nagging me. I think they knew she didn't work, but they knew about the lying and stealing. They know she didn't pay for anything. So someone please help me understand, when casey went to leave with Caylee on the 15/16, why didn't they both or one of them tell casey she is NOT taking Caylee or the car with her. Why no threats of calling of reporting her to LE with the theft charges or the car if she took it?? Why has NO ONE stood up to casey??
jmo

I don't know doneit :sad: But what I do know is, in my state, if you have given permission for your daughter to use a car that is registered to you to use indefinitely.....LE will do nothing. They don't consider it "stolen"

As far as taking Caylee....there isn't anything they could do about that. She was her Mom and had all the rights

[summer4meplz]

ITA, I PRAY they keep it private!!!


i do too but maybe cindy is having trouble deciding who to invite? the public has already memorialized Caylee....poor little dear......

[SavannahStar]

I don't know doneit :sad: But what I do know is, in my state, if you have given permission for your daughter to use a car that is registered to you to use indefinitely.....LE will do nothing. They don't consider it "stolen"

As far as taking Caylee....there isn't anything they could do about that. She was her Mom and had all the rights


Absolutely!

And I'm not apologizing for using that word. :biggrin:

[Neffy]

And sadly enough it was when Cindy wanted Casey to grow up that it all exploded.

They sent Casey to school everyday. Things were fine. It's when their notified that Casey is short of graduation. No one noticed this?

I don't believe this myself. You moniter your own credits. You choose your own classes to fill the requirements. School counselors are on hand to review these should you have a problem figuring these out.

This was NOT the schools fault as the Anthony's seem to imply.

This is not where it started. This is where it is first noticed because this affected the outcome of Casey's future. It spiraled out of control from there.

Casey's choices in life proceeded to spiraled out of control, always laying the blame on someone/something else.

Many posters have indicated there was a clear cut before age 20 and after age 20. The only difference I see is after age 20 or 18 for that matter you are now an adult and accountable for what you do.

[spiritwolf46]

I will not go into this anymore with you. I stated my opinion about why I think Casey may have been doing drugs in her teens and the rest of your questions are off topic.

The only thing I will say (for other who might need it) there are excellent programs in Utah for young teens.

:seeya:

Thank you for sharing KKKKKKatie. :wub:

[openminded]

Wow. I know George has issues but never appreciated the severity of his issues. You're probably right. It's easier to blame Cindy the Cheerleader, because in general, it's easier to blame women for family problems. However, Grampy George gets an almost automatic pass, when in fact, he is nothing more than an immature little boy. :thumbup:

You hit it -- he's never grown up.

[enigma]

Police are the ones who transport criminals to hospitals. It is in fact protocol to take an injured person to the hospital before booking them. It is rare that they will call an ambulance absent a life threatening situation.

How did they know the life threatening situation was "absent"?

[n/t]

I don't know doneit :sad: But what I do know is, in my state, if you have given permission for your daughter to use a car that is registered to you to use indefinitely.....LE will do nothing. They don't consider it "stolen"

As far as taking Caylee....there isn't anything they could do about that. She was her Mom and had all the rights

Yes, Casey is the mom but after reading the documents, Cindy did have the choice to adopt Caylee but they supposedly didn't have the money to do so. Sadly, by that time Caylee was already gone but maybe the Anthonys did consider adopting Caylee earlier on. Who knows.

I can't see how they could not have known that Casey wasn't working and that there was no nanny. I honestly don't. Unless they chose to ignore it and carry on like everything was fine??? Denial?

[SavannahStar]

You hit it -- he's never grown up.


Lordy you'd think we really FULLY know these people. We don't. We only have glimpses. That is all.

George is an "immature little boy"?

He's "never grown up"?

Can't think of anything else but this------>:rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Yes, Casey is the mom but after reading the documents, Cindy did have the choice to adopt Caylee but they supposedly didn't have the money to do so. Sadly, by that time Caylee was already gone but maybe the Anthonys did consider adopting Caylee earlier on. Who knows.

I can't see how they could not have known that Casey wasn't working and that there was no nanny. I honestly don't. Unless they chose to ignore it and carry on like everything was fine??? Denial?


I think they had SUSPICIONS. They didn't KNOW. IMO.

[trich]

I have been asking that for over 7 months, It just seemed easier for George and Cindy to look the other way, I think Casey tended to drain the life out of them at times. IMO

I also think it was easier for Cindy and George to look the other way.
Heck all of us parents get frustrated while raising our kids.....you try and try to do the right thing and in the process sometimes you wonder if all the trying is doing any good.
But saying that .....IMO if you keep trying to do the right thing and your kid/kids make the wrong choices at least you know you did your best.
But when your child is pregnant and you are denying that fact at 7 months well now that is ridiculous not to mention stupid.
That is denial of the utmost.
I also think had George and Cindy remained to themselves and did not make so many "speeches" in public that alot of media attention would have gone away.
had they one time got up and begged the "kidnappers" to please release their grandbaby ....well they would have gained alot more respect.
But they themselves choice to attack innocent people who only wanted to help and made outragious remarks publically so now not many have any compassion for their situation.
There is a saying I am sure everyone is familiar with:
"What goes around comes around"

[gaelicpeas]

ITA, I PRAY they keep it private!!!In Conway's PC yesterday, he said they are still planning to have a public memorial - my paraphrasing from memory: "they don't have to have a memorial, but they are... for the people that want to honor Caylee".

http://www.wftv.com/video/18551043/index.html

He says this in the last few minutes of the video. (sorry, a little behind here because I went back to listen to the video again to confirm this)

[SavannahStar]

In Conway's PC yesterday, he said they are still planning to have a public memorial - my paraphrasing from memory: "they don't have to have a memorial, but they are... for the people that want to honor Caylee".

http://www.wftv.com/video/18551043/index.html

He says this in the last few minutes of the video.


TY gp. I hadn't seen that latest.

[Neffy]

good morning everyone! I remember reading that....and since we don't have forensic results back yet, it MAY have been something.....poor tony.....I imagine he is having nightmares and I for one would never want to drive that car again.....

question...did cindy drive all the way to daytona and then decide not to see george or did george not want to see her or would the doctors not allow it?

There are so many conflicting story's from in the 24hr George is Missing crisis I figured to give it a couple of days until the media all got on the same page.

[HumblePie]

It's important to honor Caylee but enough is enough. If the Ants hadn't been so strident in their support of Casey, then a public ceremony would be fine. I'm concerned that the crazies will come out and attack them and not honor Caylee. Maybe the Ants are looking for more trouble? :cursing:

[Neffy]

You hit it -- he's never grown up.


I have to agree on this. Someone mentioned Casey has Cindy's mouth and Georges dispositon which is another thing I'd have to agree with.

[KKKKKKatie]

Yes, Casey is the mom but after reading the documents, Cindy did have the choice to adopt Caylee but they supposedly didn't have the money to do so. Sadly, by that time Caylee was already gone but maybe the Anthonys did consider adopting Caylee earlier on. Who knows.

I can't see how they could not have known that Casey wasn't working and that there was no nanny. I honestly don't. Unless they chose to ignore it and carry on like everything was fine??? Denial?

Morning sweetie...

you got it...denial is very powerful.

[SavannahStar]

Committing suicide or even attempting/giving thought to it is an act of a coward who cant face the truth and do something about it. He just wants to hide from the truth like cindy and lee have done. Casey is responsible for all this and she should be brought to justice for her crimes against caylee. Where is the justice for caylee in all this? Everyone seems more focused on that snobish family then poor caylee. Again suicide is for cowards.


Oh my......that's really a slap in the face to anyone who has lost a loved one to suicide! I have not, thankfully, but I would be aghast at that post if someone in my family had chose to end their life that way.

I think that would be extremely hurtful to some who are reading, who have had that happen in their life. Please think before you post stuff like that.

IMO.

:sad:

[Regina.Lampert]

It's important to honor Caylee but enough is enough. If the Ants hadn't been so strident in their support of Casey, then a public ceremony would be fine. I'm concerned that the crazies will come out and attack them and not honor Caylee. Maybe the Ants are looking for more trouble? :cursing:

A deal with a media entity for pictures and a story, cannot be ruled out either. Money, as we know, has always been an over riding concern for the anthony bunch, imo.

[HumblePie]

A deal with a media entity for pictures and a story, cannot be ruled out either. Money, as we know, has always been an over riding concern for the anthony bunch, imo.

You're right. Crimes are most often about sex or $$$. In this case, the crimes post-Caylee's homicide may have the same motivation. I feel sick. :angry:

[Pat]

snip
Again suicide is for cowards.


It is amazing that we are headed into the 21st Century and mental illness is still so stigmatized.

[n/t]

I think they had SUSPICIONS. They didn't KNOW. IMO.


I guess that's where I'm having a hard time understanding. How could they NOT know? They were living in the same house. George said that when he would ask Caylee about Zanny, Caylee showed no recognition to the name but if someone else was mentioned she would react. How long was this going on before it becomes more than suspicion? I'm sure there were other things. Money? IIRC, the Anthonys paid for everything. Wouldn't they question what Casey did with her paycheque?

[WillowInFlight]

Committing suicide or even attempting/giving thought to it is an act of a coward who cant face the truth and do something about it. He just wants to hide from the truth like cindy and lee have done. Casey is responsible for all this and she should be brought to justice for her crimes against caylee. Where is the justice for caylee in all this? Everyone seems more focused on that snobish family then poor caylee. Again suicide is for cowards.

I used to think that it was the cowards way out until I learned why my grandfather chose to hang himself from the back porch rather than live. I think your statement is rather unfair.

[SavannahStar]

I used to think that it was the cowards way out until I learned why my grandfather chose to hang himself from the back porch rather than live. I think your statement is rather unfair.

On that we sure agree. See my previous post.

[HumblePie]

Bye everyone. It's great to be back from "band camp". But Ken Follett is calling. . . :drool:

[IM4Truth]

I haven't had too much time to catch up on the board but have been trying to keep up with links and with the media reports. For the first time I just started to look into that Hollywood PI nonsense. I only read a little bit and realized it wasn't worth my time. However, I do want to make these few comments. They may have already been discussed so forgive me if that is so. First of all, they are connected to the Anthonys in some way because they give out the Caylee Anthony Tip Line number for people to call. Most notable is that they state Cindy's 911 call to report the car being stolen and money being stolen was on June 30th. Last but not least and when I stopped reading was the comments on Roy Kronk have a record in Key West. I checked this out. There are two charges against a Roy Kronk for driving an unsafe vehicle. These two charges list a birthdate. The charge for bad checks is against a Roy M. Kronk with no birthdate. I do not know the Meter Readers middle initial, however what is most important is that it was NOLLE PROSSED. So beware of that website. I wouldn't waste my time!

Unfortunately I can't hang on in here today but will check back for any new links and try to sneak a peek at comments from time to time.

[SavannahStar]

Bye everyone. It's great to be back from "band camp". But Ken Follett is calling. . . :drool:

If it's his latest.........LOVED it.

Have a good day.

[Neffy]

I used to think that it was the cowards way out until I learned why my grandfather chose to hang himself from the back porch rather than live. I think your statement is rather unfair.


It's unfair to make a blanket statement I'd agree with.

IMO each case is different. Melinda Duckett was a cowardly bail out as she didn't want to account for her actions. Same with hostage standoffs.

[Katt2]

Committing suicide or even attempting/giving thought to it is an act of a coward who cant face the truth and do something about it. He just wants to hide from the truth like cindy and lee have done. Casey is responsible for all this and she should be brought to justice for her crimes against caylee. Where is the justice for caylee in all this? Everyone seems more focused on that snobish family then poor caylee. Again suicide is for cowards.


This is a very hurtful post. Suicide is not exclusively for cowards as you would like to insinuate. Some people go so far into despair that they lose touch with reality and death is the only way they can see to end their pain.

[WillowInFlight]

It's unfair to make a blanket statement I'd agree with.

IMO each case is different. Melinda Duckett was a cowardly bail out as she didn't want to account for her actions. Same with hostage standoffs.

"Prayers for Bobby" is on Lifetime tonight, a true story about a boy that commits suicide, from the previews I don't see how he could be labeled a coward.:crying:

[floridamom]

I think all the pressure and stress GA is ujnder NONE of us can even fathom. Do any of you know anyone that has been in this exact situaion? Suicide unfortunately is an option in the minds of people who are at the end of their rope. They do not know how to handle the situation and death seems to be a welcome relief. Did anyone tak enote that GA spent the day at a job fair and was unsuccessful in finding employment. For many men that is a really big deal and can take away much of their self worth. Just consider the situation...none of us has been in his shoes. Maybe this will help him realize the best way to wade through his dispair is to get the heck away from CA and work with LE to get at the truth for his beloved Caylee.

[Neffy]

"Prayers for Bobby" is on Lifetime tonight, a true story about a boy that commits suicide, from the previews I don't see how he could be labeled a coward.:crying:

Most definately not. As I said. It's not a one size fits all statement to make.

[nana6]

Committing suicide or even attempting/giving thought to it is an act of a coward who cant face the truth and do something about it. He just wants to hide from the truth like cindy and lee have done. Casey is responsible for all this and she should be brought to justice for her crimes against caylee. Where is the justice for caylee in all this? Everyone seems more focused on that snobish family then poor caylee. Again suicide is for cowards.

AND Sometimes suicide is the only way some poor people see of releiving themselves of the horrible pain they are in. They do not see beyond themselves and their pain. I do know about this because as I said last night we have had 2 suicides in our extended family. Suicide is a tough issues to discuss but while some call it selfish others call it a way to end unbearable pain. It is not a black and white issue. imo

[spiritwolf46]

I used to think that it was the cowards way out until I learned why my grandfather chose to hang himself from the back porch rather than live. I think your statement is rather unfair.


The statement was, indeed, unfair. I remember reading a very good article on people who committed suicide. It used to be that most thought it was a coward's way out, but this article showed just how "brave" these people actually were to do this. They plan very thoroughly. They know their demise and they send letters, notes to their loved ones to let them know it is NOT their fault but something that the person wanted. They get their affairs in order. Most times, they give up things that are near and dear to them so they are taken care of.

Just a few things that I remember from that article and this being said, I sure don't see that as a coward. I see it as desperation and the need for all and everything to be taken care of at this person's demise.

:rose: For all.

[IM4Truth]

Committing suicide or even attempting/giving thought to it is an act of a coward who cant face the truth and do something about it. He just wants to hide from the truth like cindy and lee have done. Casey is responsible for all this and she should be brought to justice for her crimes against caylee. Where is the justice for caylee in all this? Everyone seems more focused on that snobish family then poor caylee. Again suicide is for cowards.

What an awful thing to say. Cowards do not commit suicide because if they were a coward they would be afraid to carry it out. Not all people who have committed suicide are hiding from the truth. Many of them have stress in their lives that they simply cannot deal with. Many seek psychiatric help before doing so. There are many reasons that people choose to take their own lives but there is no way anyone else is responsible for that. And Casey would not be responsible had George carried it out. Only that person who is in that predicament makes that choice alone. Where is your justice for Caylee when you are saying that suicide is for cowards. What does that have to do with justice for Caylee? Absolutley nothing. My heart goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one, whether family or friend, because I have lost both to this awful decision and neither one of them were hiding from any truth.

[Neffy]

I think all the pressure and stress GA is ujnder NONE of us can even fathom. Do any of you know anyone that has been in this exact situaion? Suicide unfortunately is an option in the minds of people who are at the end of their rope. They do not know how to handle the situation and death seems to be a welcome relief. Did anyone tak enote that GA spent the day at a job fair and was unsuccessful in finding employment. For many men that is a really big deal and can take away much of their self worth. Just consider the situation...none of us has been in his shoes. Maybe this will help him realize the best way to wade through his dispair is to get the heck away from CA and work with LE to get at the truth for his beloved Caylee.

IIRC he never made it to his interview or any other events/meetings that day.

[nana6]

I think all the pressure and stress GA is ujnder NONE of us can even fathom. Do any of you know anyone that has been in this exact situaion? Suicide unfortunately is an option in the minds of people who are at the end of their rope. They do not know how to handle the situation and death seems to be a welcome relief. Did anyone tak enote that GA spent the day at a job fair and was unsuccessful in finding employment. For many men that is a really big deal and can take away much of their self worth. Just consider the situation...none of us has been in his shoes. Maybe this will help him realize the best way to wade through his dispair is to get the heck away from CA and work with LE to get at the truth for his beloved Caylee.

as usual FL, spoken with common sense again

[WillowInFlight]

AND Sometimes suicide is the only way some poor people see of releiving themselves of the horrible pain they are in. They do not see beyond themselves and their pain. I do know about this because as I said last night we have had 2 suicides in our extended family. Suicide is a tough issues to discuss but while some call it selfish others call it a way to end unbearable pain. It is not a black and white issue. imo

And sometimes people commit suicide to free the pain of others, I know that sounds strange.

[floridamom]

IIRC he never made it to his interview or any other events/meetings that day.

I am sure I heard Conway say that he was at the job fair and was unsuccessful in finding employment.

[IM4Truth]

Roy's middle name is Marvin if I'm not mistaken.

Okay, no problem if it is him. However, NOLLE PROSSED says it all. BTW anyone can google Monroe County Clerk FL and get the information, you don't even have to sign in or have an account or anything like that.

[achristie]

A deal with a media entity for pictures and a story, cannot be ruled out either. Money, as we know, has always been an over riding concern for the anthony bunch, imo.

Is that what is fueling it? IMO, it's not a good idea. Too many things can go wrong. I'd rather see a memorial service without the family there for those who wish to pay their respects.

MOO Aggie

[nana6]

I'm so sorry about what happened in your family, Nana. :rose:

No matter how you look at it, suicide is a sad thing for all involved. The OP's post was so so so hurtful.

well, thank you. Sometimes people just don't th ink/ You just cannot make a blanket statement like that though imo

[nana6]

And sometimes people commit suicide to free the pain of others, I know that sounds strange.

No, I understand what you mean. They think they are doing others a favor by not being around anymore.

[SavannahStar]

well, thank you. Sometimes people just don't th ink/ You just cannot make a blanket statement like that though imo


You're quite welcome, nana. And I agree.

[Regina.Lampert]

Is that what is fueling it? IMO, it's not a good idea. Too many things can go wrong. I'd rather see a memorial service without the family there for those who wish to pay their respects.

MOO Aggie

Hey Aggie, LTNS. This bunch has been attempting to control the public service for a while now, dictating who can and cannot attend, not allowing cameras or cell phones. Ridiculous, imo.

[nana6]

Bbl I am going to the National Ice Skating Competitions today It should be fun See you all later

[SavannahStar]

Hey Aggie, LTNS. This bunch has been attempting to control the public service for a while now, dictating who can and cannot attend, not allowing cameras or cell phones. Ridiculous, imo.


I thought you were Narc! :w00t:

I think, since it is THEIR granddaughter (and not 'OUR' child) they have every right to dictate every detail about a public memorial service.

[n/t]

I think all the pressure and stress GA is ujnder NONE of us can even fathom. Do any of you know anyone that has been in this exact situaion? Suicide unfortunately is an option in the minds of people who are at the end of their rope. They do not know how to handle the situation and death seems to be a welcome relief. Did anyone tak enote that GA spent the day at a job fair and was unsuccessful in finding employment. For many men that is a really big deal and can take away much of their self worth. Just consider the situation...none of us has been in his shoes. Maybe this will help him realize the best way to wade through his dispair is to get the heck away from CA and work with LE to get at the truth for his beloved Caylee.


Where did the job fair report come from? I heard he missed his meetings with is attorney. Nothing was mentioned last night about a job.

I don't know anyone personally who have been in their shoes but there have been many cases where the husband kills the wife and kids or the kids or mom killing her child or children. They're not unique. Sadly, it happens more often than not. Many of these families stay away from the media. I think that's the difference.

[Pat]

Perhaps instead of battling out who is right or wrong on the issue of suicide on this board, people should get informed before joining a discussion about it.

There are many, many websites that give specific information about what causes depression, which can and does lead to suicide, how depression changes the way the brain functions, and how depression can actually cause physically pain to different parts of the body.

It is a terrible illness, and for many, an illness they fight for their entire lives.

I'm dismayed by some of the posts I've read and I think I'll do what I did yesterday...leave until the topic of conversation changes.

[enigma]

That won't happen thanks to the media and the Sunshine Laws of FL. IMO.

The Sunshine Laws are not to blame, Casey is. Casey chose to lie all the way, from before anyone knew Caylee was missing and up until the present. When her lies were exposed and she ran out of material, she chose to shut up altogether.

Thumbing her nose at the law, let alone everyone who challenged her, seems to have been her MO for a long time - I'm referring to her history of stealing and lying, before murder. Being exposed as a lier and a cheat helped to accuse her as a killer.

That the As were caught in the eye of the camera as a result may be unfortunate, but the one responsible for them being in this position is not the law or LE or the media. It's their daughter Casey who killed their granddaughter Caylee.

If Casey hadn't killed her daughter LE would have nothing to expose under the Sunshine Laws of Fl....

JMHO

[floridamom]

They knew how to disable the car when they got it back. They also had plenty of proof on the thefts they could have used. It was 2 against one there and none of them did nothing. I really have a hard time understanding them. They had the leverage.
jmo

They did have the leverage in one way....BUT casey had the ultimate leverage--Caylee. I don't like Cindy but I have no doubt that she loved Caylee with all her being. KC is the childs mother and she could have picked up and moved to timbuktu and the was nothing the Ant's could do about it. They made a compromise...put up with KC's crap in order to have a relationship with Caylee and make sure she was safe. Unfortunately it didn't work out as palnned. Hindsight is 20/20.

[WillowInFlight]

No, I understand what you mean. They think they are doing others a favor by not being around anymore.

Yes nana, that was exactly what I was trying to say.

[Neffy]

They knew how to disable the car when they got it back. They also had plenty of proof on the thefts they could have used. It was 2 against one there and none of them did nothing. I really have a hard time understanding them. They had the leverage.
jmo

The problem is that Cindy continuously gave misleading stories as Casey stayed there when she wanted to. Sounds like Casey ran off with Caylee quite often or Casey took off often. That's why it probably wasn't out of the ordinary to her as she never relayed that to anyone else including her co-workers.

This is why no one could understand why she wasn't doing something after a week of this nonsense. It wasn't unusual to Cindy at all.

[floridamom]

Where did the job fair report come from? I heard he missed his meetings with is attorney. Nothing was mentioned last night about a job.

I don't know anyone personally who have been in their shoes but there have been many cases where the husband kills the wife and kids or the kids or mom killing her child or children. They're not unique. Sadly, it happens more often than not. Many of these families stay away from the media. I think that's the difference.

This started as a missing persons case...that makes the media your best friend.....you have to get attention to find your love one.

[Pruddennce]

there is no blanket explanation for the act of suicide.

jeez, suicide bombers, which has nothing to do with mental illness in the traditional sense nor a feeling of despondency. sacrificial death on behalf of a belief.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[islandgirl36542]

How Can We Believe ANYthing that comes out of the mouths of Casey, Cindy, George or Lee I refuse to believe any of their crap because thats all it is complete utter lies.
imo
Death Penalty for Casey
No Immunity for George, Cindy, Lee
No Immunity for Anyone in this case thats involved in cover up or other obstruction of justice

Justice for Caylee ...:rose:

[Neffy]

How Can We Believe ANYthing that comes out of the mouths of Casey, Cindy, George or Lee I refuse to believe any of their crap because thats all it is complete utter lies.
imo
Death Penalty for Casey
No Immunity for George, Cindy, Lee
No Immunity for Anyone in this case thats involved in cover up or other obstruction of justice

Justice for Caylee ...:rose:

For this reason I don't believe any of the lawyers working for them either.

[SavannahStar]

The Sunshine Laws are not to blame, Casey is. Casey chose to lie all the way, from before anyone knew Caylee was missing and up until the present. When her lies were exposed and she ran out of material, she chose to shut up altogether.

Thumbing her nose at the law, let alone everyone who challenged her, seems to have been her MO for a long time - I'm referring to her history of stealing and lying, before murder. Being exposed as a lier and a cheat helped to accuse her as a killer.

That the As were caught in the eye of the camera as a result may be unfortunate, but the one responsible for them being in this position is not the law or LE or the media. It's their daughter Casey who killed their granddaughter Caylee.

If Casey hadn't killed her daughter LE would have nothing to expose under the Sunshine Laws of Fl....

JMHO

Well we can agree to disagree.

I don't think we are in agreement as to "who is to blame" regarding the post I made which you are responding to.

Casey has nothing to do with the Sunshine Laws. IMO, she killed her daughter. That doesn't make me any the less furious with the state of FL, for putting it all out there in the public, to taint a jury.

With all due respect, I think we are talking apples and oranges.

[ishkabibble]

regarding the funeral for Caylee, maybe I am being a bit morbid but did the news article say Cindy was picking out jewelry for Caylee to wear and wanted Geroge's help? Maybe they are reporting this incorrectly and the family intends to put some jewelry in with Caylee's remains. I have never dealt with burying only skelatel remains but how would you put jewelry on a skelaton. I would think stuffed animals or dolls could go with her but not jewelry. What jewelry does a 3 yr old wear, other than a religious medal or earrings?

[enigma]

there is no blanket explanation for the act of suicide.

jeez, suicide bombers, which has nothing to do with mental illness in the traditional sense nor a feeling of despondency. sacrificial death on behalf of a belief.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

ITA. Suicides can happen for a miriad of reasons and there are just as many kinds of people who commit or attempt it. Every situation is different even if it may bear many apparent similarities to another.

JMHO

[WillowInFlight]

For this reason I don't believe any of the lawyers working for them either.

I don't believe a thing Baez says, I find it hard to believe a man that has a smirk on his face every time he opens his mouth.

[?noanswer]

Good morning jomomma, I hope you are doing well. Didn't Cindy say one of Casey's friends fixed the gauge?

I seem to remember something about that. But if they had fixed it, why did she run out of gas? She was stealing $ from Amy and should have been able to buy gas. I think she ran it out of gas and ditched it because of the smell. I doubt if she even thought about someone stealing it or it being towed. She probably thought if it stayed there long enough the smell would go away. Also I think she was planning on getting it the day she had Amy buy gas cans for her. But the car was already towed. JMO

[cassidy]

I don't believe a thing Baez says, I find it hard to believe a man that has a smirk on his face every time he opens his mouth.

Yeah, that's annoying isn't it?

[bama__angel]

For this reason I don't believe any of the lawyers working for them either.


The one attorney for the Anthonys that I almost found truthful was Nejame and he took an early exit.

[SavannahStar]

regarding the funeral for Caylee, maybe I am being a bit morbid but did the news article say Cindy was picking out jewelry for Caylee to wear and wanted Geroge's help? Maybe they are reporting this incorrectly and the family intends to put some jewelry in with Caylee's remains. I have never dealt with burying only skelatel remains but how would you put jewelry on a skelaton. I would think stuffed animals or dolls could go with her but not jewelry. What jewelry does a 3 yr old wear, other than a religious medal or earrings?

It was not said the jewelry was for Caylee to WEAR.

I don't have a link handy, so I'll say IMO.

[jill collins]

Thank you....I can't take credit for it though....it's actually in the list of colors for font.

I'm using it too because I want to be special too! Anything I have to say is soooooooo much more important than anything others have to say so I deserve a color of my own.

[Regina.Lampert]

For this reason I don't believe any of the lawyers working for them either.


Me either, Neffy.

[Tia]

I thought you were Narc! :w00t:

I think, since it is THEIR granddaughter (and not 'OUR' child) they have every right to dictate every detail about a public memorial service.

Caylee has become "our" child after Casey, George, Cindy and Lee did nothing to protect her.

[Neffy]

I don't believe a thing Baez says, I find it hard to believe a man that has a smirk on his face every time he opens his mouth.

LOL! He's most disturbing that's for sure.

The lawyers all have an agenda. That is to make their clients look good. The lawyers involved in this case certainly bit off more then they can chew.

The whole family has made a spectacle of themselves and their lawyers are there for damage control. I find them doing more PR work then lawyering.

I can't stand when any of them are in the media.

I'd prefer to stay with the doc dumps and legal facts of the case but everytime that happens it's HELLO ANTHONY FAMILY. Their back in the spotlight.

[read-in]

Good Morning all:biggrin:
Just a couple of thoughts;
Cindy said george was upset with the jewelery angle, well, im pretty sure that it was stated, that the Anthony's sat with little caylee's remains at the funeral home.. NOW that would put me over the edge..
If she is to be cremated, and have some of her ashes placed into a keepsake, Necklace or ring, windchime... that is sweet.. Just my take, but that would comfort me... at least in part, they would always have a part of her with them... also, they would always know where she was..

[BANJO GRANNY]

How Can We Believe ANYthing that comes out of the mouths of Casey, Cindy, George or Lee I refuse to believe any of their crap because thats all it is complete utter lies.
imo
Death Penalty for Casey
No Immunity for George, Cindy, Lee
No Immunity for Anyone in this case thats involved in cover up or other obstruction of justice

Justice for Caylee ...:rose:
I agree 100%


:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[Neffy]

Hey Aggie, LTNS. This bunch has been attempting to control the public service for a while now, dictating who can and cannot attend, not allowing cameras or cell phones. Ridiculous, imo.

It is ridiculous and as they continue to bill this as a public EVENT their intentions are certainly not honorable.

[enigma]

Well we can agree to disagree.

I don't think we are in agreement as to "who is to blame" regarding the post I made which you are responding to.

Casey has nothing to do with the Sunshine Laws. IMO, she killed her daughter. That doesn't make me any the less furious with the state of FL, for putting it all out there in the public, to taint a jury.

With all due respect, I think we are talking apples and oranges.

I respect your opinion. Mine is that, since what has been released is not fabrication or speculation, but an official record of facts discovered in the course of the investigation, it is only a preview of what the jury will actually see presented in the courtroom, plus much more.

However, I hope the defense is granted a change of venue motion, to quell public outcries if nothing else. Because, as I've said before, the evidence speaks for itself, regardless of whether the jury has or hasn't heard it before it is presented to them in court.

JMHO

[Armchairdet]

I am not a new member, but have taken an extended break from this case, and thus this forum. It seems strange to me that George would go such a short distance and then get a hotel room. I mean if I were distraught perhaps I would just keep driving. In a few hours he could have been out of state. While he would still be recognized I am sure, it just seems like it would be more effective if a person was serious about ending things. I guess what I am trying to say is he could have stayed in Orlando and done the same thing. I am trying to figure out why he travelled an hour and a half away.

As always, just my thoughts and opinions. As I say I have kept away for a while so may be missing something.

[Neffy]

Now I really know I need that laughing hyena back.

LOVE IT.

Feel free to go to open court to open a playing with fonts thread.

I believe Regina gave her reasons for why she did it which I found to be a good idea. You could have chose another color to find your own posts with but childishly you want to derail her.

You obviously want to make sure she can't easily find her posts because why. Oh yea it would be fun. Grow up.

[Regina.Lampert]

It is ridiculous and as they continue to bill this as a public EVENT their intentions are certainly not honorable.

Yes, event certainly does not translate into the solemn service all of us are hoping for does it?

You know, yesterday there were those posters who saw right away that this "suicide attempt" could be a ploy. The more I see the fallout from it, that is the topic in the media and all cable shows last night changed from the duct tape and heart sticker, to talk of and sympathy for george and cynthia, the more I am inclined to think this has all been a planned ruse. imo.

[SavannahStar]

It is ridiculous and as they continue to bill this as a public EVENT their intentions are certainly not honorable.


I can agree with them to exclude persons who they consider to have been hurtful to them. It's not up to us to decide who attends or doesn't attend. Maybe WE idologize John Doe; may THEY don't....maybe John Doe has said or done some things that were not so nice to the family. Maybe the problem is in calling it a "public" memorial....I don't know. But I do believe they have every right to their decisions as to attends both public and private memorials, Neffy. Again...it is THEIR granddaughter. Bottom line.

[?noanswer]

I haven't had too much time to catch up on the board but have been trying to keep up with links and with the media reports. For the first time I just started to look into that Hollywood PI nonsense. I only read a little bit and realized it wasn't worth my time. However, I do want to make these few comments. They may have already been discussed so forgive me if that is so. First of all, they are connected to the Anthonys in some way because they give out the Caylee Anthony Tip Line number for people to call. Most notable is that they state Cindy's 911 call to report the car being stolen and money being stolen was on June 30th. Last but not least and when I stopped reading was the comments on Roy Kronk have a record in Key West. I checked this out. There are two charges against a Roy Kronk for driving an unsafe vehicle. These two charges list a birthdate. The charge for bad checks is against a Roy M. Kronk with no birthdate. I do not know the Meter Readers middle initial, however what is most important is that it was NOLLE PROSSED. So beware of that website. I wouldn't waste my time!

Unfortunately I can't hang on in here today but will check back for any new links and try to sneak a peek at comments from time to time.

Also the dates for these incidents are more than 10 years ago. I agree with your assessment of that web site. Wonder if he is Todd Black's twin! JMO

[VII]

Good Morning all:biggrin:
Just a couple of thoughts;
Cindy said george was upset with the jewelery angle, well, im pretty sure that it was stated, that the Anthony's sat with little caylee's remains at the funeral home.. NOW that would put me over the edge..
If she is to be cremated, and have some of her ashes placed into a keepsake, Necklace or ring, windchime... that is sweet.. Just my take, but that would comfort me... at least in part, they would always have a part of her with them... also, they would always know where she was..
G'Morning read-in ... either your POST or the coffee got me to thinkin' :w00t:

Since Baez is interfering with the burial for Caylee,
(really a power-trip bolster, eh Jose'?) :mad:
Consider how G and C must feel each and every day knowing Caylee's remains are just sitting there.
Imagine how that would weigh on you after a while.
I can't imagine it.
You mention them going to sit w/the body.
One would feel a ~need~ to do that each and every day.
so
can YOU imagine feeling the need, or going TO, a funeral home for over a MONTH, and there is nothing you can do to pay your final respect to your loved one?

Just another nightmare.
imo

[Amy]

I thought you were Narc! :w00t:

I think, since it is THEIR granddaughter (and not 'OUR' child) they have every right to dictate every detail about a public memorial service.

IMO, a public service is just that, open to the public. If it's by invitation only, then it no longer becomes public. IMO, if the A's want to decide who and who will not attend, they should just continue with a private service and do that. There's no law against someone holding a public memorial service for anyone, so ANYONE elses can set one up. Mr Conway did point out that the A's are not REQUIRED to hold a public service, and he's right.

[Daffodil]

I have been asking that for over 7 months, It just seemed easier for George and Cindy to look the other way, I think Casey tended to drain the life out of them at times. IMO

That's a good reminder for parents. If you take the easy way out or fail to address things..........it's just worse later on.

[summer4meplz]

Yes, event certainly does not translate into the solemn service all of us are hoping for does it?

You know, yesterday there were those posters who saw right away that this "suicide attempt" could be a ploy. The more I see the fallout from it, that is the topic in the media and all cable shows last night changed from the duct tape and heart sticker, to talk of and sympathy for george and cynthia, the more I am inclined to think this has all been a planned ruse. imo.

me too Regina.....all the shows were so sorry for george...almost apologetic for him being put under so much pressure.......there was 1 person on I THINK Jane's show who wasn't buying it....I thought nancy was going to cry.....I hope this little stunt backfires in their faces.....and for once,,,I hope the truth comes out...!!

[enigma]

I'm using it too because I want to be special too! Anything I have to say is soooooooo much more important than anything others have to say so I deserve a color of my own.

Psssst.... I think you'd better choose another... blue is taken... (twice!)

Casey's is one of those "gifts" that keeps on giving... First Caylee, now her family is being destroyed slooowly and painfully... She sits in jail playing patience and munching on snacks... Ugggggh

JMHO

[WillowInFlight]

Good Morning all:biggrin:
Just a couple of thoughts;
Cindy said george was upset with the jewelery angle, well, im pretty sure that it was stated, that the Anthony's sat with little caylee's remains at the funeral home.. NOW that would put me over the edge..
If she is to be cremated, and have some of her ashes placed into a keepsake, Necklace or ring, windchime... that is sweet.. Just my take, but that would comfort me... at least in part, they would always have a part of her with them... also, they would always know where she was..

That is exactly what I would do, in fact I was telling my hubby about the link that was posted last night and I told him if he goes first thats what I'm doing so I will always have him with me, his response, OH LORD. LOL

[ishkabibble]

regarding Caylee having no recognition of Zanny when George questioned her. I think it is possible George suspected Casey had no job and was just taking Caylee with her where ever she went. I think he thought she used "Zanny" to make it look legit. I don't think he ever believed there was any nanny/babysitter. Cindy may have believed Casey. I don't see that much communication between Cindy and George on the subject of Casey. I think it was a big source of discord in the marriage. Cindy was trying to keep the peace between George and Casey according to her co workers, and in my opinion covered a lot for Casey.

[Neffy]

Yes, event certainly does not translate into the solemn service all of us are hoping for does it?

You know, yesterday there were those posters who saw right away that this "suicide attempt" could be a ploy. The more I see the fallout from it, that is the topic in the media and all cable shows last night changed from the duct tape and heart sticker, to talk of and sympathy for george and cynthia, the more I am inclined to think this has all been a planned ruse. imo.

I was on the board when the news broke GEORGE IS MISSING I was horrified. As it unfolded with the next 24 hours I was even more horrified to find out it's details from the hotel desk clerk to the sherrif to Conway. NONE OF THEM MATCH. The one common denominator with Volusia Sherrif is he reiterated what Cindy/Conway had relayed hence him thinking the worst. The hotel desk clerk explains George's demeaner couldn't have been more different.

There's been so much crying of wolf from that family and their lawyers they know need to prove themselves instead of giving anything they do or say any credibility.

[floridamom]

With all this talk about the A's palnning the service....do we really think KC is going to let them do that. I think at the last minute she will say this is my daughter and we will do it my way because it is all about ME!

[chrissybot]

I am not a new member, but have taken an extended break from this case, and thus this forum. It seems strange to me that George would go such a short distance and then get a hotel room. I mean if I were distraught perhaps I would just keep driving. In a few hours he could have been out of state. While he would still be recognized I am sure, it just seems like it would be more effective if a person was serious about ending things. I guess what I am trying to say is he could have stayed in Orlando and done the same thing. I am trying to figure out why he travelled an hour and a half away.

As always, just my thoughts and opinions. As I say I have kept away for a while so may be missing something.

Hey Arm. How have you been?:seeya:G'morning everyone. I am still on the fence with George & suicide situation. I do think it will be good for him to be away from everyone for a bit.

[BANJO GRANNY]

I am not a new member, but have taken an extended break from this case, and thus this forum. It seems strange to me that George would go such a short distance and then get a hotel room. I mean if I were distraught perhaps I would just keep driving. In a few hours he could have been out of state. While he would still be recognized I am sure, it just seems like it would be more effective if a person was serious about ending things. I guess what I am trying to say is he could have stayed in Orlando and done the same thing. I am trying to figure out why he travelled an hour and a half away.

As always, just my thoughts and opinions. As I say I have kept away for a while so may be missing something.
IMO I have thought about it and read everything I could find about it and IMO I think it was all staged, to make people feel sorry for them.
ONLY MY OPINON



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[summer4meplz]

IMO, a public service is just that, open to the public. If it's by invitation only, then it no longer becomes public. IMO, if the A's want to decide who and who will not attend, they should just continue with a private service and do that. There's no law against someone holding a public memorial service for anyone, so ANYONE elses can set one up. Mr Conway did point out that the A's are not REQUIRED to hold a public service, and he's right.


I seem to remember cindy and george throwing an absolute fit at BP when Lenny wanted to have a little memorial for Caylee

i bolded again....

[Mamie]

Committing suicide or even attempting/giving thought to it is an act of a coward who cant face the truth and do something about it. He just wants to hide from the truth like cindy and lee have done. Casey is responsible for all this and she should be brought to justice for her crimes against caylee. Where is the justice for caylee in all this? Everyone seems more focused on that snobish family then poor caylee. Again suicide is for cowards.


You are correct in that suicide is a cowardess act. How George thought he could ever see that Caylee was in God's arms, I'll not know because he wouldn't have gone to the same place Caylee went to just because of the suicide----surely he's heard that. Of course I realize it's a belief and I choose to believe that. You're also correct in that Casey could clear up a lot of this stuff since she's responsible. I liked listening to Conway (on the above link) and hear him say that C & G do not know if Casey is responsible for Caylee's death or not. Atleast they've gotten to that point. JMO

[Daffodil]

regarding the funeral for Caylee, maybe I am being a bit morbid but did the news article say Cindy was picking out jewelry for Caylee to wear and wanted Geroge's help? Maybe they are reporting this incorrectly and the family intends to put some jewelry in with Caylee's remains. I have never dealt with burying only skelatel remains but how would you put jewelry on a skelaton. I would think stuffed animals or dolls could go with her but not jewelry. What jewelry does a 3 yr old wear, other than a religious medal or earrings?

How about her Momma doll? If it is eveidence, I'm sure they could find a replica somewhere. It's so obvious to me that the doll should be with her.

[SavannahStar]

IMO I have thought about it and read everything I could find about it and IMO I think it was all staged, to make people feel sorry for them.ONLY MY OPINON



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

Bolding and underlining mine.

Oh that's heartbreaking. Hard for me anyone literally believes that. But I respect your opinion.

[summer4meplz]

regarding Caylee having no recognition of Zanny when George questioned her. I think it is possible George suspected Casey had no job and was just taking Caylee with her where ever she went. I think he thought she used "Zanny" to make it look legit. I don't think he ever believed there was any nanny/babysitter. Cindy may have believed Casey. I don't see that much communication between Cindy and George on the subject of Casey. I think it was a big source of discord in the marriage. Cindy was trying to keep the peace between George and Casey according to her co workers, and in my opinion covered a lot for Casey.


wasn't July 15 the first time george and cindy claim to have heard of zenaida?

[Daffodil]

The one attorney for the Anthonys that I almost found truthful was Nejame and he took an early exit.

And the sad thing is that prior to him removing himself from the Anthony's, everyone tore him apart. I don't remember whether or not I did it. If I did, I do regret it.

[CC I See]

Many things were speculated at the time. Casey got mad at Anne for saying or doing something and cut up the hat or the dogs got to it....

I don't think we'll ever know.
... I find it interesting that she cut the hat up before getting rid of it. Shows a methodical and purposeful intent to destroy objects she no longer wants in her possession.

[Neffy]

Just an FYI, I do often go on here after being off a while. And I do try to find my posts, to see if anyone has responded. A very easy way to do that, without using specific font colors, is to go to your User CP and look up your last posts. IS is good in that regard; they are so easy to find. Much easier than to look through pages and pages of posts looking for a color.

That is another way good for you to figure that out. She chose a more creative route. Glad you found an easier way for yourself so their should be no more problems correct.

[Armchairdet]

Hey Arm. How have you been?:seeya:G'morning everyone. I am still on the fence with George & suicide situation. I do think it will be good for him to be away from everyone for a bit.

:seeya: I've been good, and yourself?

I agree, at least George is away from everything and perhaps that was his intention. Being in LE he may have known that threats to his own safetly may get him a short 'vacation' :shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

I was on the board when the news broke GEORGE IS MISSING I was horrified. As it unfolded with the next 24 hours I was even more horrified to find out it's details from the hotel desk clerk to the sherrif to Conway. NONE OF THEM MATCH. The one common denominator with Volusia Sherrif is he reiterated what Cindy/Conway had relayed hence him thinking the worst. The hotel desk clerk explains George's demeaner couldn't have been more different.

There's been so much crying of wolf from that family and their lawyers they know need to prove themselves instead of giving anything they do or say any credibility.


You're right, the stories are all over the place. What angered me most, were the reports that george once again pointed the finger of guilt to innocent people in his "suicide" note and then went on to praise his murdering daughter. Sounds like a ploy to me, imo.

[summer4meplz]

And the sad thing is that prior to him removing himself from the Anthony's, everyone tore him apart. I don't remember whether or not I did it. If I did, I do regret it.


yep....it worked....:wink:

[court~critic1®]

me too Regina.....all the shows were so sorry for george...almost apologetic for him being put under so much pressure.......there was 1 person on I THINK Jane's show who wasn't buying it....I thought nancy was going to cry.....I hope this little stunt backfires in their faces.....and for once,,,I hope the truth comes out...!!



This is imo the very reason why the dog and pony show of GA offing himself. Of course ole NG has been the Ants biggest suporter since Cindy said "she and her friends will no longer watch the NG show".

Nancy was not even close to tears. She only put on her whiney voice, she has mastered.....ugh!

[WillowInFlight]

IMO I have thought about it and read everything I could find about it and IMO I think it was all staged, to make people feel sorry for them.
ONLY MY OPINON



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

While I believe it was staged too, I'm not sure if he was trying to gain attention as much as he was trying to divert attention from Casey and what ever else is either going on or is about to happen.

[Neffy]

And the sad thing is that prior to him removing himself from the Anthony's, everyone tore him apart. I don't remember whether or not I did it. If I did, I do regret it.

I thought about that and that's when he was trying to do damage control for the Anthony's. It was obvious to everyone it was PR on his part and when he finally figured that out he bowed out.

So I have no regrets as he saw it to.

[?noanswer]

RE: Jewelery for Caylee. That could have been an innocent statement from Cindy's. She could have momentarily forgotten that there was nothing left except bones. I know that even though everything in our house had to be thrown away after Katrina, I sometimes find myself going to the cabinet to get an item I had before the hurricane. That loss of things is nothing compared to the loss of a human being. The circumstances of the loss makes it even worse. I cannot imagine trying to function under those circumstances. JMO

[SavannahStar]

And the sad thing is that prior to him removing himself from the Anthony's, everyone tore him apart. I don't remember whether or not I did it. If I did, I do regret it.

I for sure know I didn't tear him apart. But many who bash the Anthonys constantly, certainly did so, and I believe it was only because he was associated with the Anthonys. (We see that even now, with anyone associated with the Anthonys. IMO.) I thought Nejames was a very, very good guy and a good lawyer from the get-go. Others ridiculed him. He was the Anthonys' attorney....so ......

[Daffodil]

I am not a new member, but have taken an extended break from this case, and thus this forum. It seems strange to me that George would go such a short distance and then get a hotel room. I mean if I were distraught perhaps I would just keep driving. In a few hours he could have been out of state. While he would still be recognized I am sure, it just seems like it would be more effective if a person was serious about ending things. I guess what I am trying to say is he could have stayed in Orlando and done the same thing. I am trying to figure out why he travelled an hour and a half away.

As always, just my thoughts and opinions. As I say I have kept away for a while so may be missing something.

Maybe his intention was to just get away. He probably didn't have any destination in mind.

[Neffy]

You're right, the stories are all over the place. What angered me most, were the reports that george once again pointed the finger of guilt to innocent people in his "suicide" note and then went on to praise his murdering daughter. Sounds like a ploy to me, imo.

I'm sorry to say I agree. I don't relish in that fact but it is what it is.

[Armchairdet]

Maybe his intention was to just get away. He probably didn't have any destination in mind.

Probably. But he knew they could track him via his cell phone. IMO

[ginamar]

You're right, the stories are all over the place. What angered me most, were the reports that george once again pointed the finger of guilt to innocent people in his "suicide" note and then went on to praise his murdering daughter. Sounds like a ploy to me, imo.

Have they shown the suicide note in the media? All I saw was one sentence in the media that was second hand information and really didn't say exactly what was in the letter, also which also very possibly could have been taken out of context considering it was supposed to be a five or eight page letter.

[Dells]

Didnt he tell the Datona Beach officer that he was "broke"? I wonder if he ment financially or spiritually.

Probably both...:crying:

[?noanswer]

While I believe it was staged too, I'm not sure if he was trying to gain attention as much as he was trying to divert attention from Casey and what ever else is either going on or is about to happen.

Whether or not it was staged or the real thing, there is still a problem. A clear thinking person would not have come to the conclusion to do either. If he had killed himself, nothing would have changed in that KC would still be tried for the death of Caylee. If he had left a note saying he was the one who killed Caylee, that would have thrown a wrench into the case. I still think LE could have proved that statement to be untrue. JMO

[Neffy]

Maybe his intention was to just get away. He probably didn't have any destination in mind.

I give that a lot of weight. Caylee's remains down the street. Her room there. Their best friends and number #1 house guests are KFN, D Casey and Lawyers. He lives to appease Cindy according to his LE/FBI interviews I would have taken off a long time ago to remove myself and gather my bearings.

[Dunlurken]

Bolding and underlining mine.

Oh that's heartbreaking. Hard for me anyone literally believes that. But I respect your opinion.

Just logging on. Good morning all! For anyone to think this was staged is just ludicrous. George drove 2 hours to get to the Hawaii Motel. No way this was staged. I am actually shocked reading the posts here by others.

When I read that he wanted "to go be with Caylee". Tears came to my eyes every time. JMO. I never knew he used to drag her around the neighborhood in a little red wagon. My heart is breaking for this whole family. ('cept Casey).

[CC I See]

While I believe it was staged too, I'm not sure if he was trying to gain attention as much as he was trying to divert attention from Casey and what ever else is either going on or is about to happen.... whether it was staged or not, the attempted suicide added another twist to the Caylee Anthony Story. THAT had to have been at the back of his mind at some point while he was contemplating his life.

[destiny1]

You're right, the stories are all over the place. What angered me most, were the reports that george once again pointed the finger of guilt to innocent people in his "suicide" note and then went on to praise his murdering daughter. Sounds like a ploy to me, imo.

Hi Reggie. Finally back at home at my own little desk. I doubt that anything in those emotional and quite possibly drunk and drug induced notes were anything except a lot of bwishful thinking and blubbering. He wishes it could be different. He wishes that demon spawn could be what we in the mainstream would call strong.

The good thing that has come out of all of this is that hopefully George gets a break from Cindy and Lee.

[SavannahStar]

Whether or not it was staged or the real thing, there is still a problem. A clear thinking person would not have come to the conclusion to do either. If he had killed himself, nothing would have changed in that KC would still be tried for the death of Caylee. If he had left a note saying he was the one who killed Caylee, that would have thrown a wrench into the case. I still think LE could have proved that statement to be untrue. JMO

bolding mine

Absolutely.

[enigma]

I give that a lot of weight. Caylee's remains down the street. Her room there. Their best friends and number #1 house guests are KFN, D Casey and Lawyers. He lives to appease Cindy according to his LE/FBI interviews I would have taken off a long time ago to remove myself and gather my bearings.

That's a very good point. Just reading your words made me feel claustrophobic. Just living there with all that all around you would be toxic!

JMHO

[SavannahStar]

... whether it was staged or not, the attempted suicide added another twist to the Caylee Anthony Story. THAT had to have been at the back of his mind at some point while he was contemplating his life.

You think he was thinking that? :sad: That he wanted to add another twist to the Caylee Anthony story??????

[cuppajoe]

:laugh:

I wish we had that laughing hyena back.

They are back Star, you've been POSTING to them and going off topic.


MO

[Dunlurken]

Probably. But he knew they could track him via his cell phone. IMO

I doubt it. He's obviously not that clever. But it sure taught me a lesson if I ever want to kill myself. Don't take your cell phone with you. JMO.

[happygert]

Yes, event certainly does not translate into the solemn service all of us are hoping for does it?

You know, yesterday there were those posters who saw right away that this "suicide attempt" could be a ploy. The more I see the fallout from it, that is the topic in the media and all cable shows last night changed from the duct tape and heart sticker, to talk of and sympathy for george and cynthia, the more I am inclined to think this has all been a planned ruse. imo.

IMO It was just that.. It was to take the media's attention away from the reports of what casey did to Caylee away.. No one said a word about the 300 pages of evidence..

You dont take a knife to a gun fight.
And you dam sure dont take a hambuger and fries order a pizza and a12 pack of beer and empty pill bottle to a suicide..
And why would you go look in hubby's med cabinet then look for missing pictures? This whole thing was another scam..

Why didnt cindy herself call 911...We know she knows the number....Maybe because it would have a more dramatic effect if the lawyer called. What was lawyer still doing at the A's house at 11:30 at night? Why was baez with casey until after midnight? Maybe just incase she heard it on her radio?

If GA had taken any pills they would have called emt's. Police would not want the liability of something happening to him on the way to hospital..

NOPE I'm no buying this line of BS....

[mdibella]

Wow, was Nancy Grace over the top last night or what?

Yeah I know, the words 'Nancy Grace' and 'over the top' in the same sentence are totally redundant but really didn't she outdo herself?

I could NOT believe it when she said, in that shaky, I-am-fighting-back-the-tears voice, 'How much more can this family take?'

Oh my GOD! Of all people to be asking that???

Hey, I admit I am part of the problem, I was watching after all...but it's gotten so I watch Nancy for the shock value and then I change the channel and watch Greta for actual reasonable news and commentary.

[ginamar]

Hi Reggie. Finally back at home at my own little desk. I doubt that anything in those emotional and quite possibly drunk and drug induced notes were anything except a lot of bwishful thinking and blubbering. He wishes it could be different. He wishes that demon spawn could be what we in the mainstream would call strong.

The good thing that has come out of all of this is that hopefully George gets a break from Cindy and Lee.

Don't you think that alone would be enough to send a father over the edge of despair?

[Armchairdet]

I doubt it. He's obviously not that clever. But it sure taught me a lesson if I ever want to kill myself. Don't take your cell phone with you. JMO.


You might be right. I just assumed with all the cell phone pinging etc. info just from this case that he would have been careful, and thought it may be possible.

[Regina.Lampert]

Wow, was Nancy Grace over the top last night or what?

Yeah I know, the words 'Nancy Grace' and 'over the top' in the same sentence are totally redundant but really didn't she outdo herself?

I could NOT believe it when she said, in that shaky, I-am-fighting-back-the-tears voice, 'How much more can this family take?'

Oh my GOD! Of all people to be asking that???

Hey, I admit I am part of the problem, I was watching after all...but it's gotten so I watch Nancy for the shock value and then I change the channel and watch Greta for actual reasonable news and commentary.


She was and I am still trying to get the transcript.

[floridamom]

That's a very good point. Just reading your words made me feel claustrophobic. Just living there with all that all around you would be toxic!

JMHO

Everyone has a breaking point. I truly believe if CA wasn't pulling the strings GA would have already backed off the nanny story. He needs his own atty and a new place to live away from the poison on Hope Spring Drive. He is the only ANthony that MAY actually tell the truth. If he had an independant support system-away from CA-I think he would have already spilled everything.

[Dunlurken]

You think he was thinking that? :sad: That he wanted to add another twist to the Caylee Anthony story??????

Frankly, I hope they keep him in the facility for a while. The man needs a major rest. I realize he can get out as soon as today..... but he should stay right where he is. JMO Cindy might ask him to come home though.

question: What's the deal about jewelry for Caylee's funeral service? I never understood that.

[happygert]

I doubt it. He's obviously not that clever. But it sure taught me a lesson if I ever want to kill myself. Don't take your cell phone with you. JMO.

OR a empty bottle of pills.....

[?noanswer]

Wow, was Nancy Grace over the top last night or what?

Yeah I know, the words 'Nancy Grace' and 'over the top' in the same sentence are totally redundant but really didn't she outdo herself?

I could NOT believe it when she said, in that shaky, I-am-fighting-back-the-tears voice, 'How much more can this family take?'

Oh my GOD! Of all people to be asking that???

Hey, I admit I am part of the problem, I was watching after all...but it's gotten so I watch Nancy for the shock value and then I change the channel and watch Greta for actual reasonable news and commentary.

I watch both, I have no life!! But lately GVS has been way off on some of the things that have been on her show. When she interviewed S. Krause, she had to ask him who Melich and Allen were. Also when she did a tour of the jail cell the other night was just to fill time on her show. Most everyone knows what a jail cell looks like, if not they can use their imagination. JMO

[ishkabibble]

wasn't July 15 the first time george and cindy claim to have heard of zenaida?

In his interview with LE in late July George talks about this subject but I think the nanny was only refered to as "Zanny". Zenaida came later after Caylee disappeared.

[enigma]

Everyone has a breaking point. I truly believe if CA wasn't pulling the strings GA would have already backed off the nanny story. He needs his own atty and a new place to live away from the poison on Hope Spring Drive. He is the only ANthony that MAY actually tell the truth. If he had an independant support system-away from CA-I think he would have already spilled everything.

I thought he was going to do just that when he testified in front of the GJ... but CA was stronger.

JMHO

[mdibella]

That is exactly what I would do, in fact I was telling my hubby about the link that was posted last night and I told him if he goes first thats what I'm doing so I will always have him with me, his response, OH LORD. LOL


Oh god, remember that show on A&E about the funeral home? The funeral home director's son died and he sent the boy's ashes to a company that somehow processed them and turned them into diamonds, which he then had mounted on earrings and gave to another family member as a gift.

Everyone was saying what a lovely act that was and I thought, THAT is just bizarre....

[magnolia]

IMO I have thought about it and read everything I could find about it and IMO I think it was all staged, to make people feel sorry for them.
ONLY MY OPINON



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

In no way do I think George staged this. Isn't it possible, being that he's a human being, he is suffering and depressed over the loss of his lovely granddaughter. Why is that so difficult to believe? Why is it people don't think he's able to feel feel these deep emotions.

And once again, I read here yesterday (from another poster) that WE, as posters, are grieving more than her grandfather. That is just ridiculous. We didn't love her more and we don't miss her more.

[Neffy]

I doubt it. He's obviously not that clever. But it sure taught me a lesson if I ever want to kill myself. Don't take your cell phone with you. JMO.

Or set appointments that you will be missed at and take a bus without GPS tracking your moves.

[court~critic1®]

Could it be that GA just wanted to get away from Cindys lips flapping, and go on a huge bender?......Naw.... it was a sham. Only he knows how much he had drank that day and night.

[WillowInFlight]

I doubt it. He's obviously not that clever. But it sure taught me a lesson if I ever want to kill myself. Don't take your cell phone with you. JMO.

Of course he knew, he has heard exactly what we have heard and learned about cell phone pings. IMO.

[Dunlurken]

See here's the problem, IMO. Men always count on the women to hold down the fort.... to know everything, phone numbers, etc. George was no different than most others until WHAM! Dead grand daughter. JMO. Maybe it's just my own life experience. LOL.

[WillowInFlight]

Oh god, remember that show on A&E about the funeral home? The funeral home director's son died and he sent the boy's ashes to a company that somehow processed them and turned them into diamonds, which he then had mounted on earrings and gave to another family member as a gift.

Everyone was saying what a lovely act that was and I thought, THAT is just bizarre....

Oh yes, wasn't it called Family Plots. I just think it's a beautiful heartfelt idea.

[SavannahStar]

In no way do I think George staged this. Isn't it possible, being that he's a human being, he is suffering and depressed over the loss of his lovely granddaughter. Why is that so difficult to believe? Why is it people don't think he's able to feel feel these deep emotions.

And once again, I read here yesterday (from another poster) that WE, as posters, are grieving more than her grandfather. That is just ridiculous. We didn't love her more and we don't miss her more.

That's gotta be POST OF THE DAY!

:thumbsup:

[destiny1]

I give that a lot of weight. Caylee's remains down the street. Her room there. Their best friends and number #1 house guests are KFN, D Casey and Lawyers. He lives to appease Cindy according to his LE/FBI interviews I would have taken off a long time ago to remove myself and gather my bearings.

Hey Neffy. I agree with your skepticism., Ibut I;ve been watching george with the family and with LE for the longest time. I believe that he is the odd man out who wants to tell the truth, and that he is afraid, for numerous reasons. This latest episode is going to cause some changes in the family dynamics, just as I have always said that he would be the one who eventually tells the truth. In time I believe we all will see.

Another note: Brad conway needs to mind his words, or better yet, just be quiet.

[Regina.Lampert]

Have they shown the suicide note in the media? All I saw was one sentence in the media that was second hand information and really didn't say exactly what was in the letter, also which also very possibly could have been taken out of context considering it was supposed to be a five or eight page letter.

Of course you are right, they haven't published the exact wording. All we have is "reports" to go by right now.

This morning the first report I heard, on NBC, questioned whether or not george had written anything self incriminating in his note.

I do find it very interesting that the note was taken by OCSD and not by the county taking george away. Tells me the note has something to do with the case. imo.

[Dunlurken]

Of course he knew, he has heard exactly what we have heard and learned about cell phone pings. IMO.

That's your take on it. Mine is different. We can agree to disagree. Personally, if I were in the state of mind he was in, I wouldn't have thought about whether I could be "traced" or not. JMO. Two hours away.... and they still get cell pings. Interesting. I've been on these boards for a while, never thought they could trace the pings IMMEDIATELY and find me. JMO though.