Friday Jan 23 Part III

[Cinsd]

New thread to chew on:biggrin:

[playnice]

Thank you for the new thread. when I was leaving work today someone said Baez was going to hold a PC about GA. Did he do that and what did he say?

[Pebbles]

I just realized, GA went to a cheap hotel because he said his family is broke, yet they are buying jewelry for Caylee? I am confused.

[Motomom]

I just realized, GA went to a cheap hotel because he said his family is broke, yet they are buying jewelry for Caylee? I am confused.

Hmm if they bury her, I imagine they would want to put something in the casket with her. If they are having her cremated they may want jewerly to put her ashes in.

[Cinsd]

Well GA's dry run worked, He found out how long it would take to be found when 911 is called. Except Cindy didn't call 911. Why?

Could GA's antic a ploy to get out of needing an immunity? Now he's came to reality & wants to spill his knowledge? Without Cindy's influence.

[klock777]

Casey visitation log:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf

What are the interviews? All the rest are listed as attorney or ministries.

[Motomom]

the jewelry could be an urn pendant.

Yep, or prayer boxes, that are a much cheaper version. I don't know why people are having trouble with them buying jewerly for Caylee.

[legalmania]

I just realized, GA went to a cheap hotel because he said his family is broke, yet they are buying jewelry for Caylee? I am confused.

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.

[bama__angel]

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.



You're kidding right?

[kOOkie1]

Casey visitation log:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf

What are the interviews? All the rest are listed as attorney or ministries.

Guess Baez kept her company for 6 hrs on Dec. 11th..I swear I just dont get it:glare:

[legalmania]

You're kidding right?

Buy a date with George, it could happen(sarcasm)

[legalmania]

time for the bombshell

[beetlebrow]

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.

I thought about this 2....and the pizza.....

He might have been expecting some type of relief (so 2 speak) and when that person did not show he went down hill.

[legalmania]

I thought about this 2....and the pizza.....

He might have been expecting some type of relief (so 2 speak) and when that person did not show he went down hill.

lol some kind of relief.

[AMS]

OOOoooo! NG is actually hosting her show on a Friday night!

[klock777]

What day was the remains announced as being Caylee?

I see she had a 3.5 hr visit from ministries on the 16th when the remains were found.

[bluwaters]

Her Graceness!

Live Stream
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nancy-grace-ustream-channel-by-torbenmiller

Bombshell!

[AMS]

NG - is the duct tape found on Caylee the same duct tape found on gas cans at the Anthony home?

[bama__angel]

what day was the remains announced as being caylee?

I see she had a 3.5 hr visit from ministries on the 16th when the remains were found.

iirc dec 22

[?noanswer]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Home_English.html

JB's web site. Most links are working. It lists Juan P. Manterola as a case manager.

It also has a page for FAQs.

One question is:

I have not been charged with a crime, but I am being investigated by State and/or Federal Authorities. What should I do?

When you click on that link, the answer page is not finished.

I found it interesting that their areas of work does not include Murder Cases. JMO

[kOOkie1]

the records show he was only there for 3 hours that day but his asst were there 4 hours

Ahhh my bad! :wink:

[shelbar53]

Any idea on what the little cloth letters were from or why they were with the body?

[bluwaters]

Caylee's Candles

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

[?noanswer]

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.

They said the bed was not messed up. JMO

[Jester]

Casey visitation log:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf

What are the interviews? All the rest are listed as attorney or ministries.

Might be something to do with the students in the senior law class where Baez is a $4500/semester guest. Apparently they're doing some work for him? Not sure.

[bluwaters]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Home_English.html

JB's web site. Most links are working. It lists Juan P. Manterola as a case manager.

It also has a page for FAQs.

One question is:

I have not been charged with a crime, but I am being investigated by State and/or Federal Authorities. What should I do?

When you click on that link, the answer page is not finished.


I found it interesting that their areas of work does not include Murder Cases. JMO


Lord have Mercy!!!

[WillowInFlight]

OMG they didn't want to wait 24 hours to find George, but they waited 31 days to file a report on Caylee.:mad:

[klock777]

The remains were found on Dec 11th, the best birthday present my daughter could ask for..

Oh I thought it was Dec 16th - thanks

[shelbar53]

Question.
When these "timed" diversions happen, the live sightings, the fake suicide attempt, whos idea is that? Is that the lawyers or the familys? Is that what the meetings are about? How to distract the public and muddy the water?

[farrahrani]

Well GA's dry run worked, He found out how long it would take to be found when 911 is called. Except Cindy didn't call 911. Why?

Could GA's antic a ploy to get out of needing an immunity? Now he's came to reality & wants to spill his knowledge? Without Cindy's influence.


I would buy wanting to spill his knowledge if that "suicide" letter hadn't contained 'veiled references' to Casey's new friends...

I've been thinking a lot about the new friends lately...how did Casey get them? Who are Casey's old friends?

Is it possible she NEEDED new friends because she had also lied/stolen/ done the drama queen thing with her old ones?


I knew someone very much like that in jr. high. Whenever the attention was on one of us, she suddenly had some kind of personal drama to draw the spotlight on herself, mostly fictitious. When one of our friends was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes after getting sick after school, suddenly she wanted to run away from home :rolleyes: Things like that...and she was also a petty thief. Nothing major...change laying around...a music cassette here and there...nothing remarkable at first. Eventually we got sick of it and just kind of drifted away from her, simply not telling here where our new hangouts were. Eventually she got the message...One of her ''new friends'' stopped me on a bus to tell me we should all be ashamed of ourselves for abandoning her when she was on the verge of running away...she had been ''on the verge'' for over a year, lol. I told him just wait...and keep an eye on his wallet >.<

They learned real fast too.

Her behavior never changed, it got worse, the thefts became more substantial and obvious and so did her tall tales. I see so much of her in Casey, its amazing.

I am wondering how many of her ''old friends'' have come forward in addition to her ''new ones'' to spill the beans on any of her prior behaviors, to prove that her history of lying, partying lifestyle is nothing new. It may have been that her desire for the party lifestyle is what made her seek out new friends. Nice people like Jesse, the son of a...(Was it a pastor?) wouldn't have time or interest for that kind of habit very long.

Sorry for the ramble, I get hit with it sometimes. :biggrin:

[bama__angel]

What day was the remains announced as being Caylee?

I see she had a 3.5 hr visit from ministries on the 16th when the remains were found.

Sorry for the misinfo in my earlier post.........It was DEc 20

[klock777]

OMG they didn't want to wait 24 hours to find George, but they waited 31 days to file a report on Caylee.:mad:

No THEY didn't - Casey did.

[Jester]

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.

Cindy keeps a close eye on him.

I wonder if the 8 page incomplete note said "suicide note" as a title, or if this was five pages of journaling the he left in the car.

[bluwaters]

I think it is interesting that John Allen went over to the A's last night.
I also think it is interesting that John Allen is who was called first to report that George was missing.

[Jester]

What day was the remains announced as being Caylee?

I see she had a 3.5 hr visit from ministries on the 16th when the remains were found.

Was it Dec 11?

[WillowInFlight]

No THEY didn't - Casey did.

Cindy complained to co-workers that Casey wouldn't let her see or talk to Caylee, she could have sought Casey out long before she did IMO.

[grammaw]

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.

Wonder about what?I believe his intentions were to go to Daytona and do what he was gonna do,I would hope that the board will go easy on him,he's still in Grief and that's a lot to live with.I know,I know he went along with the program,but one can do that sooo long without going off the deep end,IMO

[Jester]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Home_English.html

JB's web site. Most links are working. It lists Juan P. Manterola as a case manager.

It also has a page for FAQs.

One question is:

I have not been charged with a crime, but I am being investigated by State and/or Federal Authorities. What should I do?

When you click on that link, the answer page is not finished.

I found it interesting that their areas of work does not include Murder Cases. JMO

Something one of the students is working on?

[klock777]

Cindy complained to co-workers that Casey wouldn't let her see or talk to Caylee, she could have sought Casey out long before she did IMO.

But CA & GA didn't wait 31 days to report Caylee missing - that's what you said. If CA was talking to KC daily and KC was telling her thing Caylee was doing - why would the GPs report her missing?

[bchand]

No THEY didn't - Casey did.

She did?.......

[bluwaters]

I think that George is a con man.
Perhaps he is a depressed, suicidal con man, but a con man nonetheless.
I think that George is good at it.
I think that George is a guy who knows a lot about a lot of things.
JMHO

OH, and, I feel very, very sorry for him.
The facts are still the facts.

[WillowInFlight]

She did?.......

No she didn't.

[legalmania]

Hi, Legalmania! I don't think so, though. I think he just wanted to get away from the house, away from Cindy, clear his head, and do his own thing. I don't think he ever intended to take his own life, I do not think he wanted to go to the job interview and I don't think he wanted to hear Cindy nagging him to death. I think this was just a get up and go kind of thing. Not planned. They may have even had an argument, who knows.

I think so also I think the words Caylee's funeral makes him so sad. I can't imagine. This poor man really. I think Cindy is so paranoid about losing somebody else, she is just in fear.

[tmw]

Hpw many times today has the Police Chief from Daytona been interviewed?
Does it bother anyone else?

[Jester]

They even told her to contact the police and what did she do. She said "I have too much work to do right now". Unbelievable!!!!:cursing:

After finding the car, she went back to work, and George drove the car home. I seem to recall Cindy saying she followed George home. Either way, she went back to work. Coworkers were shocked to see her there, and 3 of them independently told her to go home. When they heard about the smell in the car, they all told her to call 911. She had too much work, and said she wanted to give Casey time to explain herself.

[WillowInFlight]

Where are the docs saying that? TIA...

They were released the other day.

[klock777]

She did?.......

You know what I mean - GPs didn't know Caylee was missing - why would they report her missing? Only that KC kspt making excuses to not see her - she supposidly was out of town. GPs DID call as soon as they found out KC didn't know where she was. KC IS THE ONE WHO DIDN'T REPORT FOR 31 days - no blame on GPS for not reporting - my opinion

[AMS]

Reporter on NG reporting that Cindy was at first distraught over the George situation...then was angry.

[bchand]

Surprise, surprise - Local reporter (Drew P) said on Nancy Grace that Cindy was almost angry that "this has happened."

I was wondering if George was going to get a tongue lashing from her.

[playnice]

Drew just said at first Cindy was angry with George. Doesnt surprise me. In spite of everything that has happened I cant help it. My heart breaks for him.:sad:

[grammaw]

I think that George is a con man.
Perhaps he is a depressed, suicidal con man, but a con man nonetheless.
I think that George is good at it.
I think that George is a guy who knows a lot about a lot of things.
JMHO

OH, and, I feel very, very sorry for him.
The facts are still the facts.

Con Man,my foot,why?Because he gambled,wow!He is just a father of a sociopath and that's it.He just has too much loyalty toward his family.MOHO.

[dmh]

someone said the stigma of suiside has changed in the cathlic church. Please let me know when this changed?

[WillowInFlight]

Surprise, surprise - Local reporter (Drew P) said on Nancy Grace that Cindy was almost angry that "this has happened."

I was wondering if George was going to get a tongue lashing from her.

I posted earlier that I bet she was livid. Oh goodie here comes Lenny

[bluwaters]

Hpw many times today has the Police Chief from Daytona been interviewed?
Does it bother anyone else?
Hmm, 15 minutes?
IDK how many times

LENNY!

[Jester]

Reporter on NG reporting that Cindy was at first distraught over the George situation...then was angry.

Like daughter like mother.

[StarShine]

Never thought I see the day when Nancy Grace has more empathy for George Anthony than this board.

Good for Nancy.

[Jester]

Con Man,my foot,why?Because he gambled,wow!He is just a father of a sociopath and that's it.He just has too much loyalty toward his family.MOHO.

That's sayin' it straight up.

[AMS]

Lennie says that Rob dick considered flying back to Orlando because he (Rob) considers himself to one of George's last friends.

[bluwaters]

Rob Dick considers himself to one of GA's only friends?
Is that what Lenny just said?
The A's aren't too fond of Lenny.

[playnice]

Never thought I see the day when Nancy Grace has more empathy for George Anthony than this board.

Good for Nancy.

my mom and I are sitting here with tears running down our cheeks. I never thought it woulod happen but I do feel really bad for him.:sad:

[tmw]

Hmm, 15 minutes?
IDK how many times

LENNY!
Isn't it a sad thing for that "15 minute" thing to be so acceptable?

[bluwaters]

Something one of the students is working on?

You betcha! :wink:

[nothingnew]

I realize that. But it's so hard to keep up, and just asked for a link to read about it..

http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/textmessagelog.pdf
starts on pg 6

[legalmania]

Never thought I see the day when Nancy Grace has more empathy for George Anthony than this board.

Good for Nancy.

I get mad at them because of the way they have handled this case, but I feel bad for both of them. They have lost their baby granddaughter and daughter all in one year.

[trich]

Reporter on NG reporting that Cindy was at first distraught over the George situation...then was angry.

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?

[klock777]

Drew just said at first Cindy was angry with George. Doesnt surprise me. In spite of everything that has happened I cant help it. My heart breaks for him.:sad:

Tho I don't know the situation - as to if CA & GA know or don't know anything - sorry - I would have to say I - as a wife would be POed too once I found out he was ok. I would be mad that he even considered leaving me here alone to deal with a funeral and all the KC mess by myself when I need him the most.

[tmw]

I personally wish Nancy would stop defending them.
They have a lot of things they need to accept responsibility for.

[trich]

Tho I don't know the situation - as to if CA & GA know or don't know anything - sorry - I would have to say I - as a wife would be POed too once I found out he was ok. I would be mad that he even considered leaving me here alone to deal with a funeral and all the KC mess by myself when I need him the most.

Exactly...see my post above!(#83)

[klock777]

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?

:thumbsup: We posted at the same time - lol

[Januarybaby]

Watching NG, Ill give GA the benefit of maybe he is to the end of his rope and finally is breaking.

BUT.......

He is still defending his murderous daughter. He isnt thinking that everything he, Cindy, Casey, and Lee have done has brought this all on to themselves.

Hopefully, he will be hospitalized AWAY from Cindy where the health care workers can work with him to do the right thing and clear his conscience getting this weight off of him.

[steffaroob4]

Hpw many times today has the Police Chief from Daytona been interviewed?
Does it bother anyone else?

Sometimes I think silence is golden, I wish others shared that.
just odd

[newsjunkie]

I personally wish Nancy would stop defending them.
They have a lot of things they need to accept responsibility for.


ITA and it goes back about 22 yrs :sad:

[Januarybaby]

I personally wish Nancy would stop defending them.
They have a lot of things they need to accept responsibility for.

I too am at my wits end with NG. She talks about them enabling Casey but then turns around and enables them.

I do understand they are grieveing because I do believe they loved Caylee but they dont need to defend her murderer, daughter or not.

He is still defending his murderous daughter. He isnt thinking that everything he, Cindy, Casey, and Lee have done has brought this all on to themselves.

BUT.......

Just like Casey, they will never take responsibilty for all of the things they have done and said when no one makes them do so.

[Jester]

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?

Maybe the double speak is bothering his conscience. He seems like a conflicted man when you compare his interview with police and his comments while sitting beside Cindy.

[playnice]

Watching NG, Ill give GA the benefit of maybe he is to the end of his rope and finally is breaking.

BUT.......

He is still defending his murderous daughter. He isnt thinking that everything he, Cindy, Casey, and Lee have done has brought this all on to themselves.

Hopefully, he will be hospitalized AWAY from Cindy where the health care workers can work with him to do the right thing and clear his conscience getting this weight off of him.

That is what needs to happen. Everyone needs to come clean.
And I despise Casey more for not putting a stop to this.

[ConchGirl]

I think that George is a con man.
Perhaps he is a depressed, suicidal con man, but a con man nonetheless.
I think that George is good at it.
I think that George is a guy who knows a lot about a lot of things.
JMHO

OH, and, I feel very, very sorry for him.
The facts are still the facts.

ITA He was supposed to go to a job interview. Me thinks he doesn't want to work and just got a few more weeks off. moo

[bluwaters]

That is what needs to happen. Everyone needs to come clean.
And I despise Casey more for not putting a stop to this.

I know.
Casey can only see how telling the truth would affect her.
As it stands, she has no reason to tell the truth.
After all, G&C owe it to her to cover for her.

[playnice]

Okay, but still what kind of a selfish person is this anyways to know that Cindy is full of fear and just add to that. First of all if he was contemplating suicide, that in itself is selfish for his wife and son. Leaving them to deal with this all alone with Casey and Caylee and all? Second if he was not, then how could he put Cindy through that? And Lee? And the rest of the nation? We were all worried and feeling very badly about all of this, early this morning. Then we learn he was in a hotel room with beer and pizza. Who is committing suicide with a 6 pack and pizza???? Meanwhile the cops are out looking for him when they should be on the street protecting the citizens, the country is worried about him and everyone is scrambling. It just wasn't right.

We dont know whats it like staying in that house with Cindy 24/7. If she goes on at home like we have seen her do in public by telling everyone to get off there arzs I cant imagine what its like. Maybe he just needed a break.

[grammaw]

my mom and I are sitting here with tears running down our cheeks. I never thought it woulod happen but I do feel really bad for him.:sad:

I am thankful that he was found,and I sure would like to think his piece of dung cares that he would go to such an extreme,(I absolutely believe he would have committed suicideIMO)would actually care,but we all know that's absurd,right?

[BobbisAngel]

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.


You wonder if George had a date set up????? Do you not have any idea what hell he has been and is living in? His granddaughter is dead. The beautiful little girl that he loved with his whole heart.

It's my guess that you have never lost a child or grandchild to murder...right? Hopfully you never will but until it actually happens to you you have no idea what a nightmare it is....the pain a person feels to the very bottom of their soul.

Have a little compassion for this man and what he is going through even if you didn't approve of his behavior concerning Casey. I just don't understand the attitude of some people. This man is in so much pain that his only desire is to be with little Caylee.

I don't think that George thought about this being spread all over the news. Why some things can't be private I'll never know. I don't believe that he was going to take his life for attention for God sake.

[Januarybaby]

I know.
Casey can only see how telling the truth would affect her.
As it stands, she has no reason to tell the truth.
After all, G&C owe it to her to cover for her.

Casey will never admit to the truth as long as their is someone coddling her. They dont tell the truth so why should she.

She didnt care about killing Caylee, why should she care about anyone else in her family or what happens to them as long as they are on her side and GA was still doing it even if he did complete suicide.

No one is telling Casey that only the truth will help her but her silence is what is going to hang her.

[Mimi428]

Casey visitation log:
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/090123UPDATEDVisitation%20Log%20Anthony.pdf

What are the interviews? All the rest are listed as attorney or ministries.

Procknow is an investigator with DCF. I believe the woman who was visiting at the same time (Dawn ???) is also with DCF.

We think Troccoli is a law student, or a recent grad.

We think Juan Pablo Manterola is the same person who does TV/Video production.

No link, so I will add JMO. There were links earlier & I'm sure they still exist.

[bama__angel]

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?


If a person who is contemplating suicide were thinking rational thoughts, they would absolutely see how selfish the act was. But we arent talking about people who have normal thought processes. People who think suicide have most likely been clinically depressed for many months.........There is no light at the end of the tunnel.......as a matter of fact there is no tunnel........

[legalmania]

Okay, but still what kind of a selfish person is this anyways to know that Cindy is full of fear and just add to that. First of all if he was contemplating suicide, that in itself is selfish for his wife and son. Leaving them to deal with this all alone with Casey and Caylee and all? Second if he was not, then how could he put Cindy through that? And Lee? And the rest of the nation? We were all worried and feeling very badly about all of this, early this morning. Then we learn he was in a hotel room with beer and pizza. Who is committing suicide with a 6 pack and pizza???? Meanwhile the cops are out looking for him when they should be on the street protecting the citizens, the country is worried about him and everyone is scrambling. It just wasn't right.

emotions are a strange thing they effect everybody differently. We can sit back and judge but believe if you saw me under this circumstance I would be one nutcase. I would make Cindy and George look like Lucy and Ricky.

[bluwaters]

I wonder if George had a date set up. Drinking 50 miles from home? Makes one wonder.
He was alone at 2:30 AM and the bed was not "rumpled."
I don't think that he had a date. Not last night.

[AMS]

NG - there was duct tape on a gas can at the As. Was confiscated and is being tested for a match to the duct tape found on Caylee.

[playnice]

duct tape on gas cans.

[cloe23]

Any idea on what the little cloth letters were from or why they were with the body?

The letters most likely fell off an outfit. (you know that)

[legalmania]

You wonder if George had a date set up????? Do you not have any idea what hell he has been and is living in? His granddaughter is dead. The beautiful little girl that he loved with his whole heart.

It's my guess that you have never lost a child or grandchild to murder...right? Hopfully you never will but until it actually happens to you you have no idea what a nightmare it is....the pain a person feels to the very bottom of their soul.

Have a little compassion for this man and what he is going through even if you didn't approve of his behavior concerning Casey. I just don't understand the attitude of some people. This man is in so much pain that his only desire is to be with little Caylee.

I don't think that George thought about this being spread all over the news. Why some things can't be private I'll never know. I don't believe that he was going to take his life for attention for God sake.

It was said in poor taste and that really was rude and I apologize.

[BobbisAngel]

And to spend money on hospital bills?? I'm sure it's not paid for 100%..

Do you think it would have been better if he had killed himself for God's sake :cursing:

[Januarybaby]

snipped...

I don't think that George thought about this being spread all over the news. Why some things can't be private I'll never know. I don't believe that he was going to take his life for attention for God sake.

Cindy made it everyones business when she got on tv telling everyone to get off their a**** to find Caylee. She didnt "ask" people, she "told" people. When she did that, and not making a plea for who could have taken Caylee, she opened a whole can of worms herself. Thats why nothing is private.

[VC2]

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?

Speaking as one who has been there, you get to a point that you feel the loved ones in your life would be better off without you. Its a deep and complete belief that if you died then they could get on with their life bc you are making it worse for them. Almost a year ago i went to the hospital voluntarily because i realized that thinking my babies would be better off without me was way to far into depression. Talking to a psychiatrist and some time helped me get back from the edge and i went home the next day.

So yes it may be selfish but the person who is thinking of or commits suicide doesn't see that. They are in such pain, and also so sure they are bad people and cause problems by their very existence that it will help those that love you.

I was lucky, i know my disease well enough and my reactions to have gone for help but most people don't have the years of experience to differentiate and know that things get better while still on the edge.

jmo

[Cinsd]

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/Home_English.html

JB's web site. Most links are working. It lists Juan P. Manterola as a case manager.

It also has a page for FAQs.

One question is:

I have not been charged with a crime, but I am being investigated by State and/or Federal Authorities. What should I do?

When you click on that link, the answer page is not finished.

I found it interesting that their areas of work does not include Murder Cases. JMO

JB says he's not in it for entertainment?
http://www.massagingmedia.org/juan-pablo-manterola

[RJ1]

Never thought I see the day when Nancy Grace has more empathy for George Anthony than this board.

Good for Nancy.

ITA.

The level of cruelty being exhibited toward the Anthonys even now is both sad and scary, IMO. :sad:

[playnice]

emotions are a strange thing they effect everybody differently. We can sit back and judge but believe if you saw me under this circumstance I would be one nutcase. I would make Cindy and George look like Lucy and Ricky.

They would have stuck me in the loony bin long ago.

[Januarybaby]

It was said in poor taste and that really was rude and I apologize.

Youre probably just frustrated as everyone else and vented that way. Ive seen your posts and never found them offensive.

[legalmania]

He was alone at 2:30 AM and the bed was not "rumpled."
I don't think that he had a date. Not last night.


O.k I promise to let it go if you do it was two pages ago if you read my post I have seen the errors of my ways and have seen the light.

[Jester]

Okay, but still what kind of a selfish person is this anyways to know that Cindy is full of fear and just add to that. First of all if he was contemplating suicide, that in itself is selfish for his wife and son. Leaving them to deal with this all alone with Casey and Caylee and all? Second if he was not, then how could he put Cindy through that? And Lee? And the rest of the nation? We were all worried and feeling very badly about all of this, early this morning. Then we learn he was in a hotel room with beer and pizza. Who is committing suicide with a 6 pack and pizza???? Meanwhile the cops are out looking for him when they should be on the street protecting the citizens, the country is worried about him and everyone is scrambling. It just wasn't right.

I think I heard that he had 8 beer. Maybe he was on a bender, something he's probably done before, and started drunk phoning or texting. Was the note titled suicide note, or was it George's journaling? Did the lawyer over-react?

[klock777]

Procknow is an investigator with DCF. I believe the woman who was visiting at the same time (Dawn ???) is also with DCF.

We think Troccoli is a law student, or a recent grad.

We think Juan Pablo Manterola is the same person who does TV/Video production.

No link, so I will add JMO. There were links earlier & I'm sure they still exist.

What id DCF and what's with the TV/Video production?:confused:

[Januarybaby]

January, didn't you say you suffered from bi polar?? I would think you would understand his stress a little better. I don't know if george was going to commit suicide or not, but I don't think it would have dawned on him that he was being selfish.
jmo

Not January. I am the one with Bipolar.

[BobbisAngel]

Hi, Legalmania! I don't think so, though. I think he just wanted to get away from the house, away from Cindy, clear his head, and do his own thing. I don't think he ever intended to take his own life, I do not think he wanted to go to the job interview and I don't think he wanted to hear Cindy nagging him to death. I think this was just a get up and go kind of thing. Not planned. They may have even had an argument, who knows.

I can tell that you have no idea what people go through when their child or grandchild is murdered. I'm sure glad that there are some people who have compassion for George Anthony even if they don't understand the nightmare he is living in. It wouldn't have surprised me at all if George had committed suicide. I don't expect you to understand that though. I guess it is easier to cut him down than to have any compassion for the man who has lost a little granddaughter that he loved with everything within him. I hope you never lose a child or grandchild.

[Pebbles]

IIRC- Cindy told George to pick out some of Caylees jewelry- I believe it was the jewelry that caylee already had at the house. IMO

Okay, thank you!

[grammaw]

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?

If it hasn't touched your life,you have no idea what was,or is in their mind at that time,my Mother survived two attempts,and her first words to her children was "I'm so sorry"over and over again.And she was the furthest person from selfish in the world.

[Lapis]

Hpw many times today has the Police Chief from Daytona been interviewed?
Does it bother anyone else?

I'm sure he was contacted by the media outlets and not the other way around and there are times when LE needs the media's help so it doesn't hurt to help them out. Not everyone is a villian.

[Jester]

The letters most likely fell off an outfit. (you know that)

The t-shirt from the Father's Day visit? What did the shirt look like ... anyone have a picture?

[RJ1]

Speaking as one who has been there, you get to a point that you feel the loved ones in your life would be better off without you. Its a deep and complete belief that if you died then they could get on with their life bc you are making it worse for them. Almost a year ago i went to the hospital voluntarily because i realized that thinking my babies would be better off without me was way to far into depression. Talking to a psychiatrist and some time helped me get back from the edge and i went home the next day.

So yes it may be selfish but the person who is thinking of or commits suicide doesn't see that. They are in such pain, and also so sure they are bad people and cause problems by their very existence that it will help those that love you.

I was lucky, i know my disease well enough and my reactions to have gone for help but most people don't have the years of experience to differentiate and know that things get better while still on the edge.

jmo

I really admire your strength and honesty. Some people just don't realize that a person who views suicide as an option is in such a state of pain that it seems like the only answer.

[Jester]

Yes, the police could have left him where he was in spite of what Cindy, Lee and Conway told them. They did not have to take him anywhere!

I'm not familiar with suicide law, but I think it was in everyone's best interest for George to accompany the police willingly, like he did.

[playnice]

Has baez had anything to say since this happen to george?

[shelbar53]

You wonder if George had a date set up????? Do you not have any idea what hell he has been and is living in? His granddaughter is dead. The beautiful little girl that he loved with his whole heart.

It's my guess that you have never lost a child or grandchild to murder...right? Hopfully you never will but until it actually happens to you you have no idea what a nightmare it is....the pain a person feels to the very bottom of their soul.

Have a little compassion for this man and what he is going through even if you didn't approve of his behavior concerning Casey. I just don't understand the attitude of some people. This man is in so much pain that his only desire is to be with little Caylee.

I don't think that George thought about this being spread all over the news. Why some things can't be private I'll never know. I don't believe that he was going to take his life for attention for God sake.

I really dont have any compasion for george and I dont think you should be bashing another poster to have compassion for him. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinons. tis is an opinon board please respect other people opinon. thanls

[cloe23]

January, didn't you say you suffered from bi polar?? I would think you would understand his stress a little better. I don't know if george was going to commit suicide or not, but I don't think it would have dawned on him that he was being selfish.
jmo

WOW! What made you feel like you had to play that card???

[Januarybaby]

I can tell that you have no idea what people go through when their child or grandchild is murdered. I'm sure glad that there are some people who have compassion for George Anthony even if they don't understand the nightmare he is living in. It wouldn't have surprised me at all if George had committed suicide. I don't expect you to understand that though. I guess it is easier to cut him down than to have any compassion for the man who has lost a little granddaughter that he loved with everything within him. I hope you never lose a child or grandchild.

January and Januarybaby, 2 different posters...I am just adding my opinion to your post..LOL

I do understand what the nightmare he is going through is like since I have been there myself.

I do have compassion for him because as I have said I ahve been there and I do believe they loved Caylee more than anything.

My problem is, no matter what, they have to STOP defending Casey and take responsibilty about what they have done and what they know. When GA does that, I bet the relief he feels will make his depression lift a bit.

[grammaw]

VC,I'm so glad you got the help you needed,years ago,it was really just not there.

[BobbisAngel]

Cindy keeps a close eye on him.

I wonder if the 8 page incomplete note said "suicide note" as a title, or if this was five pages of journaling the he left in the car.


The Chief of Police is talking about the suicide note and he believes that George Anthony had every intention of committing suicide. He wanted to go be with Caylee. If you have ever been in George's shoes you would understand the pain this man is in.

[Jester]

Has baez had anything to say since this happen to george?

One of the reported cornered him and he wanted to know how the media knew that he was visiting Casey until midnight.

[bchand]

Has baez had anything to say since this happen to george?


Yes


http://www.wftv.com/video/18548561/index.html

[jusdafacts]

Has baez had anything to say since this happen to george?

Jose Baez speaks (http://www.wftv.com/video/18548561/index.html)

[Mimi428]

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?

Speaking only for myself, I can easily understand why someone would NOT want to live in a world where your daughter (or son) has killed their own child.

I think it is possible that George believed he could not bear up to living in that world anymore - and that is the world he has to live in.

JMO

[cloe23]

The t-shirt from the Father's Day visit? What did the shirt look like ... anyone have a picture?

It dosn't matter. It's done.

[rambo55]

Why does it seem as if every time additional huge evedence comes out against Casey, someone in this family does something bizarre?

Seems very strange to me - would anyone care to enlighten me? Please?

[Jester]

If someone appears perfectly fine they taken them no where. ONLY if the circumstances support the accusations they do something.

Like I said ... know nothing about suicide law. There were extenuating circumstances, and it was best that George willingly accompany the police, and that the police provide psychological help for George. win-win situation.

[bchand]

Queen of blame, she can't own up to how her DAILY reports, even with nothing to report, for SEVEN MONTHS has taken a toll on the grandparents. SHAME SHAME Nancy. Isn't one suicide enough? Ratings *****, some would say. Prove them wrong. APOLOGIZE.

Oh come on. Do you know that the Anthony's WATCH Nancy Grace?

I doubt it. What's taken a toll on the grandparents is the realization that their daughter murdered their granddaughter.

[Januarybaby]

Queen of blame, she can't own up to how her DAILY reports, even with nothing to report, for SEVEN MONTHS has taken a toll on the grandparents. SHAME SHAME Nancy. Isn't one suicide enough? Ratings *****, some would say. Prove them wrong. APOLOGIZE.

Ive seen NG put down Casey but I have never heard her say anything bad about the rest of Caseys family, in fact shes defended them to the point where I wanna give NG a lecture.

[Calla]

Okay, but still what kind of a selfish person is this anyways to know that Cindy is full of fear and just add to that. First of all if he was contemplating suicide, that in itself is selfish for his wife and son. Leaving them to deal with this all alone with Casey and Caylee and all? Second if he was not, then how could he put Cindy through that? And Lee? And the rest of the nation? We were all worried and feeling very badly about all of this, early this morning. Then we learn he was in a hotel room with beer and pizza. Who is committing suicide with a 6 pack and pizza???? Meanwhile the cops are out looking for him when they should be on the street protecting the citizens, the country is worried about him and everyone is scrambling. It just wasn't right.

I don't get it....but even death row inmates get a last meal. If he chose pizza for his what's wrong wth that...
If medication was missing and he took photso and left a long note, why are there doubts ?
I have missed alot today...so clue me in if you can as to why there are doubts

[BobbisAngel]

I think George has done EXACTLY what he was told he was to do.

Drama, hype, and it takes the focus off Caylee.

:thumbdown:


Have you ever lost a child or grandchild to murder? Until it happens in your family you have no way of knowing what a nightmare it is and the thoughts that go through a person's mind. How about a little compassion for a grandfather that is living in hell because his beautiful little granddaughter was murdered. You can't imagine the pain this man is living with and always will. He isn't trying to take the focus off of Caylee or put the focus on himself either.

[Jester]

The Chief of Police is talking about the suicide note and he believes that George Anthony had every intention of committing suicide. He wanted to go be with Caylee. If you have ever been in George's shoes you would understand the pain this man is in.

He thought he was going to find a dead body until he arrived and found George alive, and he was convinced that George was suicidal by the lawyer. I would like to know if the notes in George's car were titled suicide note, or if the pages have been associated with the lawyer's claims that George would kill himself. What will George's lawyer tell us next? Was George suicidal, or was it a misunderstanding?

[playnice]

Yes


http://www.wftv.com/video/18548561/index.html

Thanks. By not saying anything I doubt there was a reaction.

[Januarybaby]

Speaking only for myself, I can easily understand why someone would NOT want to live in a world where your daughter (or son) has killed their own child.

I think it is possible that George believed he could not bear up to living in that world anymore - and that is the world he has to live in.

JMO

Maybe youre right.

GA is giving himself his own punishment by living in his own hell. BUT he has a chance to make things right and in his note he is still defending Casey.

[shelbar53]

I don't think you were the first to bring that up today, Legalmania. I don't think it was in poor taste or rude, it was a valid question, particularly since this morning we spent about one half hour talking about the new rumor that surfaced about Cindy having an affair with one of the Private Investigators working on this case! So stop apologizing you did nothing wrong. That being said, I would not blame him if he did go there to meet someone (even though I don't think he did) , if you want to know my thoughts on it. I know their marriage is probably under a tremendous amount of strain, I know they are not on a united front even though Cindy is the one that is circling the wagons and keeping the skeletons in the closet, I don't think that George is on the same page as she is with that or even a willing partner in that. So anything is possible and it would not be a stretch for him to seek the comfort in the arms of someone else. Men do it every darn day of the week. And that's that.

wow you have a way of putting things into perspective. good post

[VC2]

I really admire your strength and honesty. Some people just don't realize that a person who views suicide as an option is in such a state of pain that it seems like the only answer.

I really hope that if/when he is released tomorrow that people don't assume it is somehow "proof" it was a set up. It is pretty easy to get released under the 72hours both bc the standard is set so high due to the lack of beds and sometimes it only needs an overnight stay and talking to a professional to step back from the edge no matter how serious you were.

[bchand]

Maybe youre right.

GA is giving himself his own punishment by living in his own hell. BUT he has a chance to make things right and in his note he is still defending Casey.

yes, defending Casey and smearing someone else's child.

[Jester]

It dosn't matter. It's done.

I seem to recall the shirt was blue with frilly things attached to it, or was that another picture. Were there iron-on letters on the shirt from the Father's Day visit?

[grammaw]

Queen of blame, she can't own up to how her DAILY reports, even with nothing to report, for SEVEN MONTHS has taken a toll on the grandparents. SHAME SHAME Nancy. Isn't one suicide enough? Ratings *****, some would say. Prove them wrong. APOLOGIZE.

If she was not the ONLY person who cares about victims on our tv today,this case would never have gone to this level with the news media,Greta just really got on board a couple years ago,she (Nancy Grace )is well-loved by many,many,people,the suicide by Trenton Ducketts mother was done(imo)from so-much guilt for killing him,that being confronted by Nancy Grace.She wanted her to break and tell someone where Trenton was,same with Casey Anthony,but that will never happen!Go Nancy!!!!

[Januarybaby]

Have you ever lost a child or grandchild to murder? Until it happens in your family you have no way of knowing what a nightmare it is and the thoughts that go through a person's mind. How about a little compassion for a grandfather that is living in hell because his beautiful little granddaughter was murdered. You can't imagine the pain this man is living with and always will. He isn't trying to take the focus off of Caylee or put the focus on himself either.

Yes I ahve had a family member kill another family member who was only 3 yrs old. You have asked that before to posters.

Now Ill ask ....Have you?

I do believe you are thinking with your heart and feeling the compassion for GA as another human being should, but some of us who have been watching this case since day 1, just cant get past the lies and decievement which they put the public as well as LE through.

[Magnum357]

ITA.

The level of cruelty being exhibited toward the Anthonys even now is both sad and scary, IMO. :sad:

Taking off and making Cindy wonder where he was and if he was okay was pretty cruel. Sad and scary that he would do that to her after all she's been through. Oh wait, he's depressed over the death of his Granddaughter and upset that his Daughter is being falsely accused so we can't hold him responsible for his actions. The Anthonys are never responsible for anything----I forgot.

[Januarybaby]

Hey BC....dont know if the Anthonys watch but they said Casey does in jail.

[Daffodil]

I really dont have any compasion for george and I dont think you should be bashing another poster to have compassion for him. Everyone is entitled to their own feelings and opinons. tis is an opinon board please respect other people opinon. thanls

I agree. There are basically two ways to look at this. I can see it either way. You can think it is just a ploy or you can think he was in danger or hurting himself. I really don't think one group is going to convince the other to their way of thinking. It's just how we feel from all we have read and heard of this case along with our own life experiences. I don't think either way of thinking is wrong.

[CanCan]

I just finished watching Nancy Grace. She didn't take any calls tonight! I wonder if it was to avoid callers who may speculate that George had a shady agenda in his "suicide scare."

And I wonder if the fact that CNN/Nancy are being sued by Melinda Duckett's parents for her suicide has something to do with the absence of calls tonight...........CNN doesn't want to seem at ALL insensitive to a potential "suicide"?

jmo

[SavannahStar]

ITA.

The level of cruelty being exhibited toward the Anthonys even now is both sad and scary, IMO. :sad:


It is disturbing. And sad. Very sad.

[catdoc]

Oh come on. Do you know that the Anthony's WATCH Nancy Grace?

I doubt it. What's taken a toll on the grandparents is the realization that their daughter murdered their granddaughter.

Even Casey watches Nancy Grace, when she can...according to her phone convos

[Jester]

The pictures of the motel room before it was cleaned showed what looked like a 12 pack of lite, there were still 4 in the frig. I haven't seen anywhere who he was texting to or the time.

JMO

Thanks. Haven't seen the pictures, but read about the 8 beer earlier this morning. The report said he had texted two family members, but Cindy was not one of them.

[kitty1182]

Just getting back on here..I got to watch some of NG,,What is this about Cindy wanted to pick out jewerly? :confused:

[bchand]

No those idiots that protested outside the grandparents home did. Were u 1?

What do they have to do with Nancy Grace?

[shelbar53]

Sympathy no sympathy, doesnt matter, its an opinon board.

I have had sympathy for george in the past but I guess I am still to upset about the recent docs to feel sympathy for george right now. I am still thinking about that babys last few minutes. was she awake when the duct tape was applied? was she awake but duct taped when she was put in the laundry bag. Ok lets recap, duct taped over mouth, heart sticker over duct tape, in a laundry bag, in a garbage bag, dumped in the woods...daughter out dirty dancing, getting drunk, getting tattoos, stealing, lying doing drugs, no wonder hes suicidal. Nice daugher george you must be so proud.

[Neffy]

Queen of blame, she can't own up to how her DAILY reports, even with nothing to report, for SEVEN MONTHS has taken a toll on the grandparents. SHAME SHAME Nancy. Isn't one suicide enough? Ratings *****, some would say. Prove them wrong. APOLOGIZE.

Who committed suicide? What should Nancy apologize for what Casey did? Who she proving wrong. What the heck is this post about.

[bchand]

Even Casey watches Nancy Grace, when she can...according to her phone convos

According to the documents I've read, Jose brings her tapes of the Nancy Grace show and others "to give her a good laugh."


I doubt she's in the tv room at 8 or 10 pm at night.

[Jester]

Oh, well that makes it better. In fact, has no one protested since then?

Are you suggesting that protesters made George go to the hotel and drink 8 beer? Would that be something like George suggesting that Casey's friends made her murder Caylee? Or maybe it's like Cindy saying the nanny is to blame? At what point do people get to own their own decisions and actions?

[Magnum357]

Yes, it is all about Cindy! Poor Cindy! She is truly a victim in all of this. Just Cindy, and only Cindy! :rolleyes:

I don't like Cindy one bit but what George, her husband, did to her was a rotten thing to do. What a loser.

[Mamie]

Just getting back on here..I got to watch some of NG,,What is this about Cindy wanted to pick out jewerly? :confused:

She wanted George to help her pick out the jewelry that Caylee would wear for her funeral.

I saw a side view right now of George, and noticed that Caylee looks a lot like him. They have sort of the same facial frowns. George was partially frowning in this side view as he was outside at his house (old footage) but I saw the association really well just then. JMO

[SavannahStar]

so what...there has been NO protesters since caylees body was found........why continue to blame them?


Maybe the pain and hurt that they caused is not so easily erased.

[kitty1182]

According to the documents I've read, Jose brings her tapes of the Nancy Grace show and others "to give her a good laugh."


I doubt she's in the tv room at 8 or 10 pm at night.



I doubt it too....

[SavannahStar]

She wanted George to help her pick out the jewelry that Caylee would wear for her funeral.
I saw a side view right now of George, and noticed that Caylee looks a lot like him. They have sort of the same facial frowns. George was partially frowning in this side view as he was outside at his house (old footage) but I saw the association really well just then. JMO


bolding mine.

It was never stated that this would be jewelry Caylee would WEAR.

IMO.

[Daffodil]

Yes, it is all about Cindy! Poor Cindy! She is truly a victim in all of this. Just Cindy, and only Cindy! :rolleyes:

Marcia, Marcia Marcia

is now

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy

[grammaw]

Yes I ahve had a family member kill another family member who was only 3 yrs old. You have asked that before to posters.

Now Ill ask ....Have you?

I do believe you are thinking with your heart and feeling the compassion for GA as another human being should, but some of us who have been watching this case since day 1, just cant get past the lies and decievement which they put the public as well as LE through.
I've been following this case from Day1 and I still feel for George Anthony,no matter,he is Human!!

[kitty1182]

Maybe the pain and hurt that they caused is not so easily erased.

Hi SS.
I think the pain and hurt that caused this is sitting in jail....
There is nothing more she can do to them....
I am glad George is ok..I hope he stays in the hospital a while, it may do him good...

[Neffy]

It is disturbing. And sad. Very sad.


Yep, were just a bunch of maggots so were told.

[nothingnew]

The pictures of the motel room before it was cleaned showed what looked like a 12 pack of lite, there were still 4 in the frig. I haven't seen anywhere who he was texting to or the time.

JMO

Nejames!! That was one of the two that I read about earlier today. Nejames, in turn contacted Tim Miller who was going to fly in and search for george. Interesting, don't you think?

[Januarybaby]

I've been following this case from Day1 and I still feel for George Anthony,no matter,he is Human!!

I said some of us, not all of us :)

yes he is human but so was Caylee and I ahve a hard time with him still defending her killer.

[Cury-us Coyote]

NG - is the duct tape found on Caylee the same duct tape found on gas cans at the Anthony home?

Duct Tape, Trash Bag Link?
Meanwhile, Local 6 News learned Thursday that a gas can with apparent duct tape on it that was seized from the home of George and Cindy Anthony, where Casey Anthony and Caylee lived, is being compared to duct tape found over Caylee's mouth because the tape appears to be identical.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18543583/detail.html

[Neffy]

Nejames!! That was one of the two that I read about earlier today. Nejames, in turn contacted Tim Miller who was going to fly in and search for george. Interesting, don't you think?


That's interesting if NeJames were texted by George. Any proof of this?

[Magnum357]

Short memory. Last year. Trailer park types stood outside grandparents home and accused them of murder. Did you miss?

Trailer park types? What does that mean?

[nothingnew]

Oh, well that makes it better. In fact, has no one protested since then?

I do know that no one was protesting at the house on the day LE was down the street gathering all they could from where Caylee was left with her plastic pony and heart sticker.

[Daffodil]

Anyone hear anything about Lee lately?

[RJ1]

no one ever explained "bootstrapping" to you then?

An excellent point. I still shudder at the thought and I only saw the throng on my TV.

[Jester]

Are you suggesting that you have proof to dispute any of that as being possible?

I have proof that Casey's friends did not make her murder her child. Need I say more?

[Januarybaby]

Well, try to look at it from our point of view. This is a family that has stolen from the general public. People have poured their hearts and soul into this case and they have gone and perpretrated a false kidnapping, covered up a crime, tampered with evidence, sold Tee Shirts with their dead granddaughters picture for profit, sold pictures, sold stories, sold videos, they have raped the public and played on the sympathies of people who cared. It's kind of hard to have sympathy for someone who faked is own suicide to deflect attention away from his daughter in prison or the dead baby that is in a cardboard box in some storeageroom, ALONE.

Thank you, very well put.

[Neffy]

Nancy/CNN sued for interview of missing mom's mother in Summer 2007. Theme sound familiar? Check the website.


Theme? What theme. Two mothers threw their children away then hid their bodies?

This is Nancy's fault?

[KKKKKKatie]

Trailer park types? What does that mean?

I believe that pmurray means to be insulting. :rolleyes: and means to get the board closed.

Let's skip & scroll :smile:

[Jester]

But there hasn't been any protesters in a few months........ *shakes her head*

Of course not. Protesters against Casey Anthony for murdering her child have not been active since Caylee was found almost two months ago.

Maybe George is having a delayed reaction?

[bchand]

Yep, were just a bunch of maggots so were told.

lolol why do you even bother?


Funny family those Anthonys.

Bunch of maggots - the very ones out there searching for Caylee.

Tim Miller - heart of gold but Lee Anthony and Cindy trash him.
What's the first thing Tim does when he hears about George? Wants to rush back to Orlando to help find him.

Orange County Law Enforcement - HORRIBLE according to the Anthonys.
Who did they call when George went missing and who responded immediately?

I just can't put my finger on why I feel as I do about this family but I know who the good guys are.

[Lavenia]

It's been a long time since I drank more than a drink every once in a while but if memory serves me, wouldn't 8 beers make you fairly drunk? How drunk is 8 beers? (I know it varies, but is it considered a lot?)

[Oregongal]

I can tell that you have no idea what people go through when their child or grandchild is murdered. I'm sure glad that there are some people who have compassion for George Anthony even if they don't understand the nightmare he is living in. It wouldn't have surprised me at all if George had committed suicide. I don't expect you to understand that though. I guess it is easier to cut him down than to have any compassion for the man who has lost a little granddaughter that he loved with everything within him. I hope you never lose a child or grandchild.

BobbisAngel,
I totally agree and stand with you and a few others on board this evening. I've been reading all day and have been appalled at the lack of compassion or caring for George.
I certainly don't know what he's been going thru, I've never walked in his shoes, but I can certainly understand the desperation he found himself in last night. I have been there.
That people would think this is staged situation, that people would think it's a diversion from the recently released docs...and everything else I've read today, honestly saddens me to think these posters are not who I thought they were....caring, compassionate, loving people.
Anyone who's been suicidal, for whatever reason can tell you that when you are at that point, no, you are not thinking of others, no you are not thinking logically, not thinking of the consequences that will come because of this act.
You only are thinking of the pain you are in and you want so badly for that pain to end.
Yes, of course this was a call for help...otherwise he would have killed himself without reaching out by text mssgs to anyone.
Why it is that so many cannot grasp that and thank God that he was found alive is beyond me.
I'm very glad that this thread this evening has more of the posters that are feeling what I am....rather than attacking this poor man with accusations of faking this, trying to divert and all the other horrible things that have been posted thru out the day.
I for one am praying that in his reaching out, he will get the help he needs to see him thru this horrible nightmare he and Cindy have been living since July 16th.
Do I agree or condone their actions and words thru out? No. But, honestly I hope I never have to live what they are living to find out whether I would do any better. It's easy for us to sit at our computers and sort of imagine what we would do if we were in their situation. But, when it comes down to it, unless we've been thru it....we really can't imagine.
I for one am thanking God that I am not living their life and will continue to pray that George will be able to get some desperatley needed professional help to aid him in this nightmare he is living and will continue to live as this case goes to trial and beyond.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Oh come on. Do you know that the Anthony's WATCH Nancy Grace?

I doubt it. What's taken a toll on the grandparents is the realization that their daughter murdered their granddaughter.


Do you remember CinA's end-of-show accusations on LKL?

[playnice]

Let me make it plain. NGS appeals to simple people, simple ideas; nothing wrong with that, if you are consistent.

People in glass houses should not throw stones; sound familiar? NG over stepped the bounds here. You don't agree, okay. But, before I give up, why don't you point the question directly to her? She is a mother now. If she doesn't understand protecting her young, she never will.

She made mistakes. Doesn't mean she can't fix it. But if she is human. She will admit.

I find her entertaining, but don't agree with her 1/2 the time. I think she is real enough this time to say, she was over-the-top. Only time and her conscience will tell.

Well I like her jewelry. :biggrin:

[bchand]

Yes, it is interesting and this is why I think so.

Nejame and TM have both shown condemnation for defending and covering up for Casey, and George has clearly tried to be honest in the past about what he knows with police. The fact that he did NOT contact Cindy tells me that he felt that she blamed him, and that the other two that he reached out to would support him. That right there tells me that George is enduring a lot of stress and pressure over what he did from Cindy.

He did contact Cindy.

[Zeus]

Well, try to look at it from our point of view. This is a family that has stolen from the general public. People have poured their hearts and soul into this case and they have gone and perpretrated a false kidnapping, covered up a crime, tampered with evidence, sold Tee Shirts with their dead granddaughters picture for profit, sold pictures, sold stories, sold videos, they have raped the public and played on the sympathies of people who cared. It's kind of hard to have sympathy for someone who faked is own suicide to deflect attention away from his daughter in prison or the dead baby that is in a cardboard box in some storeageroom, ALONE.

That about covers it all. Thanks.

[nana6]

I don't like Cindy one bit but what George, her husband, did to her was a rotten thing to do. What a loser.

Hi Magnum, We have had people or relatives in our family commit suicide. Believe me, they are in so much mental pain that they CANNOT think of others in their family at the time. They just want to end the pain.

[Jester]

That does not mean it hasn't caused ongoing mental stress.

It sure does look like George had a bit of a breakdown, or maybe an over-active lawyer. We should know that soon enough, as well as whether George's breakdown will impact the case. The courts have his statements to the grand jury so, if he has a breakdown, his facts can still be entered into the proceedings.

If George had a delayed reaction to protesters wanting justice for Caylee, perhaps he should have sought counseling. He lives with a nurse, and has been seen by numerous professionals in the last 8 months. Certainly someone would have noticed if he needed psychological help.

[grammaw]

BobbisAngel,
I totally agree and stand with you and a few others on board this evening. I've been reading all day .

Just a Wonderful Post!I'm sooo proud of you!MO

[Zeus]

He did contact Cindy.

Good thing he did. She's the only one apparently that calls 911 when there's someone missing.

[Jester]

It's been a long time since I drank more than a drink every once in a while but if memory serves me, wouldn't 8 beers make you fairly drunk? How drunk is 8 beers? (I know it varies, but is it considered a lot?)

8 beer is grown man drunk enough to be stupid.

[nothingnew]

That's interesting if NeJames were texted by George. Any proof of this?

Just what I read earlier from a news link. Will try to find it if I can catch up a bit more. Unless someone else has it?

[Neffy]

It's been a long time since I drank more than a drink every once in a while but if memory serves me, wouldn't 8 beers make you fairly drunk? How drunk is 8 beers? (I know it varies, but is it considered a lot?)

Well if we're looking from 7pm to 11pm or so 2 beers an hour plus eating. I don't think the elephant in the room that George is dealing with is PINK if that's what your asking.

[bchand]

Ok i had to report that poster then put them on ignore. enough was enough for me.


Did i hear correctly that Conway hasn't even told George and Cindy about the document dump from yesterday and them testing the trash bags?

I think what Conway said was that it's HIS job to read the docs. He claims they haven't.

[Jester]

No you do not. But likewise I have no proof that they did either. The point being there is no proof of why Casey did what she did only speculation.

If Casey's friends made her murder Caylee, at least one of them would have been arrested along side. That has not happened. None of her friends even knew that Caylee was missing. That is proof that Casey's friends did not make her murder her daughter.

[nana6]

It's been a long time since I drank more than a drink every once in a while but if memory serves me, wouldn't 8 beers make you fairly drunk? How drunk is 8 beers? (I know it varies, but is it considered a lot?)

Hi Lavenia, I am thinking maybe he drank 8 on purpose to mix with the pills so he was sure to die.

[Lapis]

Well, try to look at it from our point of view. This is a family that has stolen from the general public. People have poured their hearts and soul into this case and they have gone and perpretrated a false kidnapping, covered up a crime, tampered with evidence, sold Tee Shirts with their dead granddaughters picture for profit, sold pictures, sold stories, sold videos, they have raped the public and played on the sympathies of people who cared. It's kind of hard to have sympathy for someone who faked is own suicide to deflect attention away from his daughter in prison or the dead baby that is in a cardboard box in some storeageroom, ALONE.

Perhaps the people on this board should not invest so much of their hearts and souls into a case that in reality has nothing to do with their real lives. JMO. I follow this case out of interest and most posters are very good at finding information that unfortunately not being very computer savvy I cannot find myself. I enjoy trying to put the facts together. I try to refrain from believing that I can get into the minds of people I've never met and will likely never meet. It amazes me that so many people here are dead certain they know what these people think and why they have acted as they have. As the saying goes you can't judge someone until you have walked a mile in their shoes. JMO

[Calla]

And I think "what if" is already playing a role in Georges decision.
I do not think it is a stunt as some say. I believe he is serious. I have known 4 people I attended school with that have taken their own lives in the past few years. I knew a guy who threatened sucicide, shot himself and then crawled to the door and looked up and said, "help me"..then he died. They can change their mind but it makes the threat no less serious. Whether Geroge really wants to die or not is not really an issue to me. I don't doubt that he does. The issue to me is that he is crying out for help and he needs to be heard no matter what.

[Cury-us Coyote]

The pictures of the motel room before it was cleaned showed what looked like a 12 pack of lite, there were still 4 in the frig. I haven't seen anywhere who he was texting to or the time.

JMO

According to the incident report, CinA stated around 10:47 PM, GA began sending her and other friends text messages via cell phone.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18550251/detail.html

[HumblePie]

Hi All,

It's nice to be back. I was sent to band camp but promise to be good. :cursing:

[Mamie]

I believe that pmurray means to be insulting. :rolleyes: and means to get the board closed.

Let's skip & scroll :smile:


It occurs to me every Friday night or holiday weekend that someone is going to get the board closed and then I'll have no life at all! (LOL but true)

Please, all of us, need to take care in our responses and posts. JMO

[Neffy]

Just what I read earlier from a news link. Will try to find it if I can catch up a bit more. Unless someone else has it?

Tx. I'd heard that or read that I should say just from other bloggers. Who George sent a text to is interesting.

Conway has stated Cindy was sent a text. Last night "insider" information from another site stated she was not text messaged.

I'd just like to know the facts. So far everything I've heard or read or read or heard the opposite.

[grammaw]

I personally think the A's read the document dump or they saw it on tv. and i think that's what threw him over the edge.

That could be it

[Remy]

Hey BC....dont know if the Anthonys watch but they said Casey does in jail.

Yes, Jose is kind enough to bring her clips so she can "laugh". I wonder if she's laughing now?


For you:rose: You have expressed the same conflicts many of us have with this case - you can feel compassion for the people and contempt for their actions. They are not mutually exclusive in my mvho.

[Januarybaby]

Don't get me wrong, I love Bratt and I can see her point in it but there is a flipside to this coin and what's right is right. Up to now, the Anthony family has not done the right thing. All of this could have been ended if they had not decided to choose Casey over Caylee, if they would have TOLD THE TRUTH, not hidden or destroyed evidence, not bashed the police or Tim Miller's search party, not blasted the media who was only trying to help in the beginning and not come out like bobo's screaming and making demands on the general public. I could go on but I would be banned for using up too much bandwidth. It is not right. Enough is enough with these people!

I meant thats what I was trying to say but wasnt getting it out right.:smile:

[Lavenia]

Hi Lavenia, I am thinking maybe he drank 8 on purpose to mix with the pills so he was sure to die.

Hi Nana! Thanks to all that answered this, pink elephants and all. :laugh: I just wondered if that's why he started texting people. Did he text before he started drinking or after. Maybe he intended to kill himself, got drunk and maudlin and then looked for help out.

[Calla]

Hi All,

It's nice to be back. I was sent to band camp but promise to be good. :cursing:

Awww That hurts

So what is your thought on the latest news?

[Leelee68]

Can someone please post the link to the pictures that show the heart sticker? I tried to go to it at work but I can't download pictures at work and I am home now on the laptop. I am really curious about that picture. Thanks so much.

[Neffy]

I think what Conway said was that it's HIS job to read the docs. He claims they haven't.

I don't believe a word of what Conway says. He's getting paid by the Anthony's. I believe him as much as their PI D. Casey.

[Lavenia]

According to the incident report, CinA stated around 10:47 PM, GA began sending her and other friends text messages via cell phone.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18550251/detail.html

Ahh. You just answered a question I had. TYVM! And may I add how much I appreciate all your links Cury! Thank you!

[bama__angel]

And I'm not "sir", so you are clueless.

Sorry.................... And thankfully I am clueless to your point IMO.

If I got it I would probably be frightened..............Might mean I was doing some stinkin thinkin, as I believe you are.

[Oregongal]

Just a Wonderful Post!I'm sooo proud of you!MO

Thank you grammaw....check your pm's.
:wub:

[Pruddennce]

Well, try to look at it from our point of view. This is a family that has stolen from the general public. People have poured their hearts and soul into this case and they have gone and perpretrated a false kidnapping, covered up a crime, tampered with evidence, sold Tee Shirts with their dead granddaughters picture for profit, sold pictures, sold stories, sold videos, they have raped the public and played on the sympathies of people who cared. It's kind of hard to have sympathy for someone who faked is own suicide to deflect attention away from his daughter in prison or the dead baby that is in a cardboard box in some storeageroom, ALONE.

and to add to your very clear and well written opinion based on facts, this family (primarily Cindy) had to be ASKED to talk about Caylee in between her self-serving comments. (Im tired, I dont eat, I drink water).....

the bond hearing was an eye opener as to who Cindy Anthony is as a person. she did not evolve into 'this' over a 6 month period.

she has been and will always be a controlling, manipulative individual.

'doesnt rush to the hospital for her husband'? I can only read between those lines, an utter lack of concern.....

the concern I hear for George here and thru the media is overwhelming heartfelt. and there goes Cindy.....or doesnt go to his side...or sit in a waiting room....or get on the phone and call 911 herself....she sits and dictates his clothing description.....

*what about me*

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[HumblePie]

Awww That hurts

So what is your thought on the latest news?

Frankly, I'm surprised something like this hasn't happened earlier. There isn't enough family therapy to make the Anthony family whole. What a dysfunctional bunch. That said, I wish nothing but the best for George. Geez, I sound like a hypocrite! :eek:

[Jester]

:lol: Your post takes the cake! Cindy would be able to recognize his mental distress & seek out help huh? Seriously? :lol: Then why hasnt she gotten herself some help? :lol:

That's a very good question. The family is under tremendous stress after deliberately seeking media and community attention for their murdered granddaughter (remember, they already smelled the car). They should have sought grief counseling when it was announced that Caylee was deceased. Rather, they chose denial. When the proof was in their backyard, they had a second warning to seek psychological support. If they neglected to do this, what can I say. It was an error for them to falsely accuse the police of not knowing what they were talking about, to refuse to believe Cindy's brother Rick, and to ignore all of the evidence.

You tell me why she hasn't gotten help, or listened to the people that care about her - like her brother.

[Neffy]

Can someone please post the link to the pictures that show the heart sticker? I tried to go to it at work but I can't download pictures at work and I am home now on the laptop. I am really curious about that picture. Thanks so much.

There is NO link that shows THE heart sticker.

[Mimi428]

Maybe youre right.

GA is giving himself his own punishment by living in his own hell. BUT he has a chance to make things right and in his note he is still defending Casey.

I think the man wants to live in a world where his daughter loves her own child, his granddaughter. I think he wants to live in a world with a living granddaughter, who has not been murdered by her own mother, his daughter.

He has not & he will not EVER live in that world. And NOTHING will ever change that. Just because another person, whether it is you or me or anyone else, thinks that he can "make things right" by doing or saying any particular thing doesn't mean those thoughts will ever exist inside his own mind.

The only time I would ever tell another adult what they SHOULD or NEED to do is if they ask me (or if I see that an immediate catastrophe is about to happen & would say something like "duck!") I would probably offer up some options, some choices. But that's just me.

[shelbar53]

BobbisAngel,
I totally agree and stand with you and a few others on board this evening. I've been reading all day and have been appalled at the lack of compassion or caring for George.
I certainly don't know what he's been going thru, I've never walked in his shoes, but I can certainly understand the desperation he found himself in last night. I have been there.
That people would think this is staged situation, that people would think it's a diversion from the recently released docs...and everything else I've read today, honestly saddens me to think these posters are not who I thought they were....caring, compassionate, loving people.
Anyone who's been suicidal, for whatever reason can tell you that when you are at that point, no, you are not thinking of others, no you are not thinking logically, not thinking of the consequences that will come because of this act.
You only are thinking of the pain you are in and you want so badly for that pain to end.
Yes, of course this was a call for help...otherwise he would have killed himself without reaching out by text mssgs to anyone.
Why it is that so many cannot grasp that and thank God that he was found alive is beyond me.
I'm very glad that this thread this evening has more of the posters that are feeling what I am....rather than attacking this poor man with accusations of faking this, trying to divert and all the other horrible things that have been posted thru out the day.
I for one am praying that in his reaching out, he will get the help he needs to see him thru this horrible nightmare he and Cindy have been living since July 16th.
Do I agree or condone their actions and words thru out? No. But, honestly I hope I never have to live what they are living to find out whether I would do any better. It's easy for us to sit at our computers and sort of imagine what we would do if we were in their situation. But, when it comes down to it, unless we've been thru it....we really can't imagine.
I for one am thanking God that I am not living their life and will continue to pray that George will be able to get some desperatley needed professional help to aid him in this nightmare he is living and will continue to live as this case goes to trial and beyond.


On the other hand I cant for the life of me understand why so many cant see the trickery these people pull evertime something happens to shed more negative light on casey. We have been fooled by them so many times. Ours hearts did go out to them to help findy caylee, but they turned it away, even tim who tried to help them, cindy called tim a drunk and a collection jar stealer. They continue with this bad behavior and expect sympathy at their pic and choosing. im sorry, im done with this sick lot of people who dont know right from wrong. I ask you to look at things differently the same way you are asking us to look at things differently

[Topaz423]

Where are the docs saying that? TIA...

new docs pg 9

[FrankieBones1]

She wanted George to help her pick out the jewelry that Caylee would wear for her funeral.

I saw a side view right now of George, and noticed that Caylee looks a lot like him. They have sort of the same facial frowns. George was partially frowning in this side view as he was outside at his house (old footage) but I saw the association really well just then. JMO

I watched Nancy's show earlier but didn't hear the word, 'wear' as in jewellry. But it did sound like Cindy wanted George to pick out some jewellry for Caylee for the funeral. I don't like the sound of that. It conjures up images of a necklace on some bones. Tiny bones. I wonder if that was the last straw for George's fragile state. Maybe it took him over the edge.

I get the feeling that George doesn't want to go on or he doesn't know how to go on. I think the texting was a call for help. As an ex LE, he would have known his cell phone texting could be triangulated and he'd be found quick.

I actually felt sorry for him tonight. I hope this wasn't some 'stunt'.

[Jester]

A negative does not prove a positive. If we go by your theory that makes Cindy innocent of any interference since she hasnt been arrested for it.

Sure. What is the name of one of Casey's friends that had something to do with making Casey murder her daughter?

[Pruddennce]

Maybe it is because like most people under mental distress she does not recognize how dire the situation really is for herself or those around her.

sociopaths dont experience stress the same way normal people do.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[nothingnew]

There were protesters arcoss the street the night Caylee was found(you could hear them on some of the newscasts) LE gave a stern warning that not to try any BS or else.

JMO

If I remember they weren't protesting they were bringing flowers/stuffed animals as a makeshift public memorial for Caylee or 'that little girl' as she was called by her grandfolks.

[Magnum357]

Hi Magnum, We have had people or relatives in our family commit suicide. Believe me, they are in so much mental pain that they CANNOT think of others in their family at the time. They just want to end the pain.

Then you're much more qualified to speak to the issue than I am. However----Do most people in pain, intent on killing themselves, order some pizza, have some beer, send a few text messages, and wait around to be found or do they just commit suicide to end the pain. George knew darn well that through his cell phone usage he would be found. It was a cry for help but he could have checked himself into a mental health facility and gotten help and not put his family though anymore pain. I don't like Cindy but I do think she's been put through enough already without George of all people causing her any more stress and pain.

[tomsgirl]

I just finished watching Nancy Grace. She didn't take any calls tonight! I wonder if it was to avoid callers who may speculate that George had a shady agenda in his "suicide scare."

And I wonder if the fact that CNN/Nancy are being sued by Melinda Duckett's parents for her suicide has something to do with the absence of calls tonight...........CNN doesn't want to seem at ALL insensitive to a potential "suicide"?

jmo

I think that Nancy was really upset tonight when she was talking about George. It seemed like she was about to cry. I think Nancy has a soft heart but I also think that she can spot BS and reacts to it. That is what makes her seem harsh, therefore people form the opinion that she is heartless and mean. JMO I love NG and all that she does for victims.:cursing:

[rj1212]

I'm just catching up...haven't seen NG yet...I'll catch the repeat episode here in about 30 minutes.
Without knowing all the details I'll still spout a bit...even after knowing all the details of the past day I'm still going to reserve the VAST majority of my compassion for Caylee Marie Anthony. All of this posturing by other family members has gotten so OLD. I'm sympathetic towards ANY Anthony family member who finally decides to tell the TRUTH, rather than requesting immunity to do what ya should'a done da** near 6 MONTHS ago!!! (Tell the truth...not choose to be deliberately deceptive)

Can I say that I love 'me some truth folks? Getting the truth out is the best antidote for true healing...even though it may be painful. THAT'S true compassion for the entire Anthony family, because without the honest truth, this sad saga will inevitably continue.

If they are trying to avoid pain by lying, then my question to them is this..."Is it working?"

I'm thinkin' not.

Now, is that cruel towards the Anthony's? I know this...George has an opportunity to improve. He has an opportunity to get help.

What opportunity did Caylee Marie get?

mo

[Januarybaby]

Geez Louise, everyone is forgetting about Caylee. This is so bad, this isn't even funny. They have managed to turn this board into a battle field worse than the blue and the gray. They have managed to keep us so occupied on whether or not George was committing suicide or committing a fraud. Does Cindy care or is she the grieving wife. All the while, poor little Caylee. Nobody is thinking or praying for Caylee. :rose:


I think when we go against Cindy, George, Lee and Casey, we are thinking of Caylee. At least I am. If it wasnt for Caylee, Id have no problems with George and Cindy have done but since they are at the heart of everything to find Caylee and of all the things said and done, it just comes out as if they are the only ones focused on.

If you notice in my posts I keep mentioning Caylees killer being defended. I am trying to put her first but too do that its not hard to get past what has been done.

As for George, I feel badly for him if he thought this was the only way to make peace with himself. I see it tho, if he wanted to make peace with himself, he would tell everything he knew just to get justice for Caylee.

I wish I was better at putting my thoughts into words. I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

[Remy]

Oh, well that makes it better. In fact, has no one protested since then?

I do NOT agree with the protesting at the home in this case at all but it was a constitutional right of those who did just as it was Casey's constitutional right to be allowed out on bail pending trial and since the protesting stopped when she was finally charged with murder 1 why continue to make it an issue.

I think this family has more to be concerned about than protesting that took place months ago. jmoho

[nana6]

Whooosh... (going over your head).

I'd say, stay in school to learn the basics of critical thinking , but too late for that... Not too old, too invested in linear thought.

Hi p, I was just wondering if yu have been on here before but under a different name? Just curious.:smile:

[Leelee68]

Someone on the board yesterday posted a link to a picture of Casey at a party with a heart sticker on a phone. Does anyone know what I am talking about? I guess I can go back and find it.

[SwFlorida]

On the other hand I cant for the life of me understand why so many cant see the trickery these people pull evertime something happens to shed more negative light on casey. We have been fooled by them so many times. Ours hearts did go out to them to help findy caylee, but they turned it away, even tim who tried to help them, cindy called tim a drunk and a collection jar stealer. They continue with this bad behavior and expect sympathy at their pic and choosing. im sorry, im done with this sick lot of people who dont know right from wrong. I ask you to look at things differently the same way you are asking us to look at things differently
Well said shel :thumbsup:

[Lapis]

Well, that's very sweet and very loving except you forgot one thing. there's a slaughtered baby in a cardboard box in some funeral home all alone!!! This isn't about Cindy and George. This is about CAYLEE. 'MEMBER HER?????

I haven't forgotten about her. Can there be only one victim of a crime. By the force of your post it is apparent that you have invested your heart and soul into this. I feel awful that Caylee cannot be layed to rest. But your passion is doing nothing to change that situation. This is a murder case. Things do not happen in the normal course of things. In some ways it is better for all the testing to be done before she is layed to rest. Something tells me you would be just as outraged if she were exhumed. There are some who believe that that child is not laying in a box but rather is with God. JMO

[FrankieBones1]

Frankly, I'm surprised something like this hasn't happened earlier. There isn't enough family therapy to make the Anthony family whole. What a dysfunctional bunch. That said, I wish nothing but the best for George. Geez, I sound like a hypocrite! :eek:

Remember the gun that was found hidden in the car? I always thought that George was thinking of killing himself back then. I don't know how a grandparent can go on after knowing his own daughter killed the love of his life.

Nancy or a guest, maybe Leonard, mentioned that George used to take Caylee around the neighbourhood in a little red wagon. That just broke my heart.

[Calla]

Frankly, I'm surprised something like this hasn't happened earlier. There isn't enough family therapy to make the Anthony family whole. What a dysfunctional bunch. That said, I wish nothing but the best for George. Geez, I sound like a hypocrite! :eek:

:laugh: That's okay cuz I think that is required 50% of the time anyway..or else we would have nothing to say about the current developments

[Januarybaby]

I think the man wants to live in a world where his daughter loves her own child, his granddaughter. I think he wants to live in a world with a living granddaughter, who has not been murdered by her own mother, his daughter.\

snipped.......

I believe you are completely right about that. I wish he was living in that world too because then Caylee would be alive.

But that is not the world he is living in and he has to face that and make things right. He cant keep blaming everyone else and not the one who actually caused his pain.

[Jester]

There is NO link that shows THE heart sticker.


There's a picture of the car with Cindy driving and Casey wearing her school teacher glasses ... there's a heart in marker on the driver's side window.

[Leanne Weich]

Well this has got to be the first time I think Cindy was correct in her emotions.
I would be really pissed if my husband did not love me enough to want to be with me during this tragedy.
Sorry but I think suicide, unless someone is in constant pain,is a very selfish act ....what about the people you leave behind that love and depend on you for being there for them?

I used to feel the way you especially up until I was about 18. Since then I've re-evaluated my position on it and now, am pissed with people around my dad who never picked up on how sick and desperate he was. Now, as an adult, I feel nothing but sadness and empathy for my dad and have forgiven him for taking his own life. I don't blame him because, given what he was dealing with, I might have done the same thing.

My heart breaks for George. He spoke about wanting to commit suicide once before that we know of; apparently had, at least, suicidal ideations last night and, imo, unless he gets into heavy duty therapy stat, I wouldn't be surprised to read he has carried it out in the future. My late dad made many attempts (some of them may have been for attention but others he was lucky/unlucky he was found in time). The last time he rolled his wheelchair off the roof of a hotel and simultaneously blew his brains out. People came up with many of the same things being said about George. My dad was a bit of a con man himself, an alcoholic, not very fond of working and a big time gambler (and not a good one either). For all his faults, he was my dad and I loved him to bits. He loved me as much - of that I have no doubt.

Because you're not the most upstanding citizen, doesn't mean you deserve to be treated badly when you're in a time of crisis, imo.

[Magnum357]

[QUOTE=grammaw;12695354]It means that some people (usually snobs)say about people who live in a trailer home.[/QUOTE/]

I clearly remember people getting banned for using that terminology.

[playnice]

Remember the gun that was found hidden in the car? I always thought that George was thinking of killing himself back then. I don't know how a grandparent can go on after knowing his own daughter killed the love of his life.

Nancy or a guest, maybe Leonard, mentioned that George used to take Caylee around the neighbourhood in a little red wagon. That just broke my heart.

Thats when I started crying. It broke my heart too. I never thought the A's could make me cry. I know they will do something that will make me mad all over again but today I did feel sorry for George.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Motel employee speaks
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8303532&version=1&locale=EN-US

[rambo55]

What are the opinions out there - is GA falling on the sword for Casey, or was he actually admitting ( to himself at least) that his DD is a murderer?

[shelbar53]

Sure. What is the name of one of Casey's friends that had something to do with making Casey murder her daughter?

Lee? maybe

[RJ1]

On the other hand I cant for the life of me understand why so many cant see the trickery these people pull evertime something happens to shed more negative light on casey.

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Everybody has their own opinions. I can't for the life of me understand why strangers insinuate themselves into someone else's tragedy and then behave as if they have some proprietary rights to it.

But that's just me ... :confused:

[Neffy]

Yes, it is interesting and this is why I think so.

Nejame and TM have both shown condemnation for defending and covering up for Casey, and George has clearly tried to be honest in the past about what he knows with police. The fact that he did NOT contact Cindy tells me that he felt that she blamed him, and that the other two that he reached out to would support him. That right there tells me that George is enduring a lot of stress and pressure over what he did from Cindy.

I totally agree with you on this and the only verification that this has happened was from another message board to my knowledge. Has Tim Miller himself posted anywhere? That's who I'd really like to hear from and not from a Tim told someone. Not that I think someone is posting false information I'd just like to hear it from Tim if possible.

[tomsgirl]

Let me make it plain. NGS appeals to simple people, simple ideas; nothing wrong with that, if you are consistent.

People in glass houses should not throw stones; sound familiar? NG over stepped the bounds here. You don't agree, okay. But, before I give up, why don't you point the question directly to her? She is a mother now. If she doesn't understand protecting her young, she never will.

She made mistakes. Doesn't mean she can't fix it. But if she is human. She will admit.

I find her entertaining, but don't agree with her 1/2 the time. I think she is real enough this time to say, she was over-the-top. Only time and her conscience will tell.

I just got on this board after watching NG and I'm not sure of what you are saying that she said that was over bounds. I must have missed something but I resent being called simple people with simple ideas just because I admire NG for what she does for victims. Are you a professor or a doctor or something that makes you smarter than us simple people? JMO:confused: Duh Duh Duh

[Januarybaby]

I do NOT agree with the protesting at the home in this case at all but it was a constitutional right of those who did just as it was Casey's constitutional right to be allowed out on bail pending trial and since the protesting stopped when she was finally charged with murder 1 why continue to make it an issue.

I think this family has more to be concerned about than protesting that took place months ago. jmoho

as much as I am anti-anthony, I dont believe those protestors should have been there either. That was just way out there and those people didnt need to be there. LE was already doing a job.

I also dont believe they needed to be interviewing the motel guy or showing the room. Thats just blood lust

[nana6]

Then you're much more qualified to speak to the issue than I am. However----Do most people in pain, intent on killing themselves, order some pizza, have some beer, send a few text messages, and wait around to be found or do they just commit suicide to end the pain. George knew darn well that through his cell phone usage he would be found. It was a cry for help but he could have checked himself into a mental health facility and gotten help and not put his family though anymore pain. I don't like Cindy but I do think she's been put through enough already without George of all people causing her any more stress and pain.
I am thinking that maybe he went to the motel with the intention of suicide. He had beer to mix with the pills and we all know that you are never to mix those two. Maybe he chickened out and started texting as you said so someone would come to him. When people are depressed they often just don't think clearly and believe me, I would be very depressed if I were an Anthony now. I have seen this too many times and I have learned that I am not comfortable judging when the suicide topic is on the table. imo

[GentleBreeze]

I watched Nancy's show earlier but didn't hear the word, 'wear' as in jewelry. But it did sound like Cindy wanted George to pick out some jewelry for Caylee for the funeral. I don't like the sound of that. It conjures up images of a necklace on some bones. Tiny bones. I wonder if that was the last straw for George's fragile state. Maybe it took him over the edge.

I get the feeling that George doesn't want to go on or he doesn't know how to go on. I think the texting was a call for help. As an ex LE, he would have known his cell phone texting could be triangulated and he'd be found quick.

I actually felt sorry for him tonight. I hope this wasn't some 'stunt'.

Maybe it is the type of jewelry Caylee loved and they are going to ask the funeral director to place it inside her little casket.

I don't see it as a stunt. I see a man coming apart at the seams and crying out for help.

imoo

[shelbar53]

~snipped~

Everybody has their own opinions. I can't for the life of me understand why strangers insinuate themselves into someone else's tragedy and then behave as if they have some proprietary rights to it.

But that's just me ... :confused:

hey welcome to the computer age of the 2000

[openminded]

Frankly, I'm surprised something like this hasn't happened earlier. There isn't enough family therapy to make the Anthony family whole. What a dysfunctional bunch. That said, I wish nothing but the best for George. Geez, I sound like a hypocrite! :eek:

Not at all. You sound like many of us. I am constantly conflicted when it comes to George. There are times when I have an enormous amount of sympathy for him (when he tries to tell the truth) and times when I definitely don't (when he's obviously lying).

This morning I felt very bad for him when I heard the news. Then when I read that the note reportedly praises Casey, again, I did not.

There's no doubt that his burden is heavy but I don't feel it excuses everything he does (or doesn't do). I just wish I could quit waffling when it comes to him.

[Jester]

Maybe it is because like most people under mental distress she does not recognize how dire the situation really is for herself or those around her.

Does mental distress cause people to call the police liars? to give the wrong hairbrush to the FBI? to go on National TV (and be coherent)? to accuse the police of not doing their job when they declare a child deceased?

Did no one of the police, national TV talking heads, jail wardens, Child Finders, lawyers, and numerous other professionals notice that she was in dire need of psychological help? Is that what you're suggesting?

You tell me. Why didn't Cindy seek help for herself or, as a nurse, seek help for George, if they were in dire psychological need since the protesters were on their property prior to Dec 11?

[Amy]

Hi Nana! Thanks to all that answered this, pink elephants and all. :laugh: I just wondered if that's why he started texting people. Did he text before he started drinking or after. Maybe he intended to kill himself, got drunk and maudlin and then looked for help out.

He mentioned one other time (I think it was when he was talking to reporters when they had to move the kiosk that last time) that he had considered suicide. He never mentioned (that I remember) what made him change his mind.

Anyway, your last sentence is what I have tho't---maybe he was drinking to get the courage to take the pills, and some people do get maudlin when they drink. Reaching out is generally considered a cry for help. Maybe he wanted to see if someone would reach back to him.

[Daffodil]

Then you're much more qualified to speak to the issue than I am. However----Do most people in pain, intent on killing themselves, order some pizza, have some beer, send a few text messages, and wait around to be found or do they just commit suicide to end the pain. George knew darn well that through his cell phone usage he would be found. It was a cry for help but he could have checked himself into a mental health facility and gotten help and not put his family though anymore pain. I don't like Cindy but I do think she's been put through enough already without George of all people causing her any more stress and pain.

I know someone who did order pizza and then wanted to commit suicide and then did finally call out for help. But he didn't want the people in the emergency room know it. So....was that person intent on ending it? Yes, I believe so because their pain was too much. Did he know he wouldn't be able to go through with it? No. Can you say that someone definitely would not do it? No, I wouldn't want to take that chance.

[Cury-us Coyote]

What set George Anthony off?
(CinA left A's home to hospital, asked GA what kind of jewelry Caylee should wear at that funeral)
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8303518&version=1&locale=EN-US

[Neffy]

There's a picture of the car with Cindy driving and Casey wearing her school teacher glasses ... there's a heart in marker on the driver's side window.

That's just a heart. I can link you up with lottsa hearts. That's not what was asked for.

[Lavenia]

I just got on this board after watching NG and I'm not sure of what you are saying that she said that was over bounds. I must have missed something but I resent being called simple people with simple ideas just because I admire NG for what she does for victims. Are you a professor or a doctor or something that makes you smarter than us simple people? JMO:confused: Duh Duh Duh

Believe me, being a professor or a Dr. does not necessarily make one smarter than the average person. It just makes them more educated.

[Oregongal]

Geez Louise, everyone is forgetting about Caylee. This is so bad, this isn't even funny. They have managed to turn this board into a battle field worse than the blue and the gray. They have managed to keep us so occupied on whether or not George was committing suicide or committing a fraud. Does Cindy care or is she the grieving wife. All the while, poor little Caylee. Nobody is thinking or praying for Caylee. :rose:

Excuse me????
I have not forgotten Caylee for one minute. She is on my heart and mind each and every day. I imagine that for George and Cindy she is on their hearts and minds every minute of that same day.
I don't think it's George and Cindy that have turned this board into a battle field, it's posters that keep looking for nefarious reasons to this news about George that have done that.
We've all talked and talked about the family dynamics in this case. The whys and hows Casey was raised and how that may have led her to do what she did. Why is her father and his deepening pain over everything suddenly so off limits to you?
Could it be that he has been thinking exactly that....OMG, how could I have a daughter that killed her baby?
I don't see any of the people feeling very bad and sad for George right now forgetting Caylee. I see US as feeling a human compassion for a man who is it the end of his ability to cope with the reality he's facing.
And it all ties into Casey and Caylee.
I also see him grieving so bad for this baby, why isn't he allowed to do what many of us...who are strangers...are doing for Caylee?
No, none of us have forgotten Caylee Marie. If we had, we wouldn't be here.

[HumblePie]

Not at all. You sound like many of us. I am constantly conflicted when it comes to George. There are times when I have an enormous amount of sympathy for him (when he tries to tell the truth) and times when I definitely don't (when he's obviously lying).

This morning I felt very bad for him when I heard the news. Then when I read that the note reportedly praises Casey, again, I did not.

There's no doubt that his burden is heavy but I don't feel it excuses everything he does (or doesn't do). I just wish I could quit waffling when it comes to him.

If only the Ants would "man up" and admit the truth. Their constant manipulation of the media isn't helping Casey. In fact, George's latest antics are only further sinking Casey's ship. :mellow:

[kitty1182]

Someone on the board yesterday posted a link to a picture of Casey at a party with a heart sticker on a phone. Does anyone know what I am talking about? I guess I can go back and find it.

I remember seeing that pic, but I can't tell you were to find it now..

[Pruddennce]

I watched Nancy's show earlier but didn't hear the word, 'wear' as in jewellry. But it did sound like Cindy wanted George to pick out some jewellry for Caylee for the funeral. I don't like the sound of that. It conjures up images of a necklace on some bones. Tiny bones. I wonder if that was the last straw for George's fragile state. Maybe it took him over the edge.

I get the feeling that George doesn't want to go on or he doesn't know how to go on. I think the texting was a call for help. As an ex LE, he would have known his cell phone texting could be triangulated and he'd be found quick.

I actually felt sorry for him tonight. I hope this wasn't some 'stunt'.

stunt or not, its a sure way to get himself out of pleading for immunity if he is mentally incapacitated to testify. cant testify because of his condition (and will probably be dosed in the months to come), no need for immunity if he cannot testify.

......he can accept the fact Caylee was killed by his daughter, without grasping it entirely by sitting thru a trial....just enough to grieve, while minimizing the enormity of such a reality. I think he has had enough of Cindy.

I also believe he holds secrets. devastating secrets. and is showing the make believe side: still defending Casey for 'appearances sake'.

IMO, he is heading toward being done with that. and will silently retreat once he is 'off the witness list'. no more comments.

I see him not making it to trial, nor staying with Cindy. IMO, he will leave the county, go live with a relative and be deemed unfit.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Cury-us Coyote]

What do they have to do with Nancy Grace?

IIRC, one article reported the majority of the protestors had one common thread - they watched NG.
jmo