Thursday January 22nd - Part 1

[happygert]

Maybe she used finances as a reason to the co workers because she didn't want to admit she had no interest in being totally responsible for Caylee's care. Appearances are important to Cindy perhaps she felt that was a more acceptable excuse. Not all grandparents want to take full child rearing responsibility for the grandchildren. especially if their mother is not incapacitated in some way, she is just not taking HER responsiblity seriously.

ITA cindy just didnt want her.. cindy was already paying for everything for Caylee..she didnt want the 24/7 responsibility... If casey and Caylee was out of house she would have what she wanted.. she'd be front and center..Too many in this family wanting to be center of attention.. The one who needed it the most was last to get it...jmho

[Anakerie]

It seems that Baez has caught the entitlement bug as well.
I don't see Baez as having the entitlement bug... I see him as a very inexperienced and inept lawyer who's trying to come off as one who knows what he is doing. He is terribly out of his league with this case.

Three years under his belt as a trial lawyer and this is his first time as lead attorney in a capitol murder case. I still don't see how he is able to be that, since according to everything we read early on in the case, he is not a qualified capitol murder case attorney. Did the requirements disappear when they took the DP off the table?

I had trouble paying attention to him in that "news conference" yesterday... Why on earth would an attorney stand up in front of reporters and cameras to whine and moan about his personal feelings? I gave up watching part way through. Did he ever actually say anything about the CASE?

[Neffy]

This looks like the original set (http://cgi.ebay.com/Classic-Winnie-the-Pooh-crib-set-bedding-nursey-decor_W0QQitemZ280303459260QQcmdZViewItemQQptZNurs ery_Decor?hash=item280303459260&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)
this seller even has the window sheers for sale in another auction, It is a good shot of quilt

Now, does anyone have the link to the nursery from the CA interviews, I am seeing a difference in the quilts.

I did a side by side IMO there the same.

[ishkabibble]

Another way of looking at Cindy's statement that they couldn't afford to get custody of Caylee is - she considered Casey a free babysitter.
She seemed to buy the "nanny" story and it didn't cost her anything so all the better.

IF she went for full custoday, she'd have to add childcare to her current expenses. And we all know how much REAL childcare costs.

good point, but I think Casey had been shirking her duties and leaving Caylee to George and Cindy more often. When Cindy complained, Casey began taking Caylee with her and having her out later and later (Ricardo says she was at his house a lot) Now Cindy is upset because she feels Caylee is not in the best environment but Casey and Cindy are locked into the power struggle over Caylee.

[breezie]

Is that Casey's phone in the picture, or her friends phone?

that's the friend's hand. I assume it's the friend's phone as well.

[Dells]

Anyone think it is EXTREMELY strange that LE sent out for a paternity/DNA test to establish whether Lee was Caylee's father? I just find that bizarre.

I don't find it strange at all. LE is probably just trying to cover all its bases.

[Dunlurken]

Wonder if KC put those on her phone. She plays with stickers & makes bead necklaces (I know people who are into making jewelry, but they don't use plastic beads). Sounds like maybe she never really grew up. No wonder she was jealous of Caylee. JMO

Well, I'm not seeing the stickers, but looks like someone chlorformed Casey in the last pic. Passed out drunk. Wonder where Caylee was? In the trunk maybe?

[shelbar53]

This is excellent work, Shelbar! I saw more than one heart shaped sticker in that photo. I hope that LE is taking a look at that photo also. If it matches the sticker that was on that tape, Casey is sunk.

Im all confused.

I need to go back and figure out how many knives there were. One in the trunk and one at the scene or just the one in the trunk.

Next I read 2 different versions. the body was in the laundry bag then garbage bag, the other the body in the garbage bag then the laundry bag.

Also a toy horse? darn now I have to go and look at all the videso and pics of caylee again looking for a horse, why couldnt it of been a mr potatohead, I know where that pic is.

And what is with the small cloth letters? I havent gotten that far yet in my reading to know whats up with that.

I was doing Heart reasearch. I posted a few pics yesterday from caseys photobucket/myspace with what she posted related to hearts.

I asked this before but i had to leave and didnt see if anyone responded. Does anyone remember a jailhouse conversation where casey said "she is my heart'? {refering to caylee} I think I do but not sure and needed to be pointed to the correct video.

[Dells]

Which makes it sound as if she carried her out of the house within a laundry bag so as to look like she was taking clothes somewhere when all along it was her baby. :angry:

That is such a sad though.:sad: That is probably how it happened which makes it even more sickening.

[shelbar53]

Well, I'm not seeing the stickers, but looks like someone chlorformed Casey in the last pic. Passed out drunk. Wonder where Caylee was? In the trunk maybe?

look at the pic #4. the stickers are on the back of the phone.

[cuddlyrunner]

look at the pic #4. the stickers are on the back of the phone.



what pic? I'm sure I'm missing some of yesterday's dump!

[floridamom]

I don't know where Baez can go to try to free Casey. There is no place for them to hide.

IMO, I don't believe Casey will fare well here in Miami. Miami is filled with skeptical and experienced (read: "School-of-hard-knocks") people, with a low tolerance for those who harm small children.

Casey will NOT get off lightly here in Miami, IMO. Ask John Couey.

imo

Maybe that's why Jb is speaking so much lately about being Hispanic. There are alot of Hispanics in Miami and maybe he thinks that would be a great advantage to him....I don't care what you say Reverse Prejuidice is very alive and well in this country!!!!!

[shelbar53]

I don't find it strange at all. LE is probably just trying to cover all its bases.

well maybe they are being proactive waiting for the defense to say..poor casey is screwed up because of Lee. Now LE has proof that he isnt or maybe he is. either way they are getting their ducks in a row.

[cog1]

WOW! Good sleuthing!

And as I re-read the report, I see that the assumption that they found a sticker made from paper was merely my own assumption. (I guess it's true what they say about assume making an "***" out of "u" and "me".) The report actually does not state what material the sticker was made from, so it is possible that the sticker was a plastic/jewel type sticker.

From page 15 (aka 3168) of the Orange County Sheriff's Office "Affidavit for Search Warrant" dated December 20, 2008 http://www.wftv.com/news/18530424/detail.html

"While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area, investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape. The sheet from which this sticker came from was not recovered on scene."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

In thinking about this sticker I remember something I had my own home. Back when I addicted to tanning, I had a small roll of heart stickers. Pink, they came in a plastic container. Anyway if Casey was into tanning she could have had something similar.

Another thought is, I wonder if they let Caylee have stickers? I only ask because I would NOT give them to my son at that age simply because i would not want to peel them off doors, walls, furniture, etc.

However my own daughter would probably give them to her 2 old son.

I dunno. Just my thoughts. :tongueside:

[breezie]

Unlike others here who may be, I'm not starved for that kind of attention, nor did I ever claim to be an "expert" but by the same token I am not some has-been that needs to be recognized for my credentials, education, background or profession. I think that pretty much brings an end to this discussion. Scroll and skip are your friend!
and yet...you always make it about you. buh-bye. :rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

look at the pic #4. the stickers are on the back of the phone.

Thanks. Saw them, and shamrocks too. Hummmmm.

[shelbar53]

what pic? I'm sure I'm missing some of yesterday's dump!

this pic, go to pic 4
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1873829/Casey-Anthony-Partying-Again

[RiverWalk]

Thanks, I found another a different view with the curatins (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/blanket/blanketcrib.jpg)

you might need to use a password to view= steffaroob4

Compare that to quilt to this image (http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/2b/b1/68da_1.JPG)

older pic of crib set with Caylee (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/blanket/cib2.jpg)

Didn't Pooh and his friends live in the Hundred Acre Woods are something like that? Caylee was found in the "woods". Maybe a stretch, but I keep thinking about the woods.

[Lavenia]

Unlike others here who may be, I'm not starved for that kind of attention, nor did I ever claim to be an "expert" but by the same token I am not some has-been that needs to be recognized for my credentials, education, background or profession. I think that pretty much brings an end to this discussion. Scroll and skip are your friend!

Proud member of the "has-been" club! :seeya:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Was there anything new in the Text messages that were released or were they the same ones we already saw? I tried to download them from Cury's link and my computer crashed. :sad:

tia


Nothing new. The link appears to be the same 59 pages of data contained in the Evidence Reports. If my math is correct, CF13 docs total 210 pages, WFTV9 docs total 241 pages, WESH2 docs total 70, OS is a consolidation of many links from other media outlets. The most complete set of 1/21 docs, so far, seems to be WFTV plus the missing one from CF13.
jmo

ETA - text msgs reported by media were included with earlier releases.

[AJandTam]

In thinking about this sticker I remember something I had my own home. Back when I addicted to tanning, I had a small roll of heart stickers. Pink, they came in a plastic container. Anyway if Casey was into tanning she could have had something similar.

Another thought is, I wonder if they let Caylee have stickers? I only ask because I would NOT give them to my son at that age simply because i would not want to peel them off doors, walls, furniture, etc.

However my own daughter would probably give them to her 2 old son.

I dunno. Just my thoughts. :tongueside:

hi ya cog. I don't know about the tanning thing. But the stickers. I hate those things. Gum and stickers are against the law around here.

[Dunlurken]

In thinking about this sticker I remember something I had my own home. Back when I addicted to tanning, I had a small roll of heart stickers. Pink, they came in a plastic container. Anyway if Casey was into tanning she could have had something similar.

Another thought is, I wonder if they let Caylee have stickers? I only ask because I would NOT give them to my son at that age simply because i would not want to peel them off doors, walls, furniture, etc.

However my own daughter would probably give them to her 2 old son.

I dunno. Just my thoughts. :tongueside:
Lots of many different types of "stickers". My grand daughter got little tiny stickers to go on her fingernails when she recently went to the dentist. Still find them in my bed. :mellow:

[AnnInOhio]

Sorry, had to step away for a little while. I'm not, by any means, downplaying the responsibility that fell on Cindy's shoulders. I just wonder why she would use the excuse that she didn't want to be financially responsible for Caylee (paraphrase from co-workers) as a reason not to raise Caylee herself. She was already doing these things, by her own admission. So that could not have been the reason, IMO.

I thought they said Cindy indicated she didn't have enough money to pay for an attorney in order to get custody. It makes me sad that I watched just this morning her testimony at the bond hearing wgere she was willing to put up her house, borrow money or do anything to get dear Casey released!

[steffaroob4]

different picture of crib (http://storage.people.com/jpgs/20080811/20080811-750-53.jpg)

I guess CA posed there for a few diiferent interviews.

[shelbar53]

I will post this again, from caseys photalbum,

http://i43.tinypic.com/4fzez8.jpg

[Katprint]

Yes, Casey certainly had tried to lay the guilt trip on everyone. I find it ironic considering she is the one that caused this whole mess to begin with. I am sure she feels that Cindy is guilty because she is the one who called 911 and reported Caylee missing, I am sure she feels George is guilty because he testified against her at the GJ. Heck, I am sure she thinks Caylee should feel guilty because she made Casey murder her. It's everyone's fault but Casey's. I just can't wait until she is found guilty and she puts the guilt trip on Baez because he couldn't get her off. Casey is a sorry excuse for a human being.:mad:
I had a client had been given nunchucks as a gift. He called up a few of his gang friends and together they went and attacked a 15 year old boy leaving a movie theater. Two used their bare hands, one used a Hammer, and my client used his nunchucks. They beat the boy so badly that a lay priest passing by gave him "last rites" because he thought the boy would die. The boy lived but lost his spleen and sustained other permanent disabilities. Bystanders got the license number of the getaway car whose driver was contacted by police and made a deal that since he personally did not strike a blow, they would give him immunity in return for giving up the attackers. Based on this information, a search warrant was served on my client and the bloody nunchucks were found in my client's bedroom closet.

At sentencing, the section of my client's probation report concerning "Remorse" indicated that my client was very sorry to have been caught, that he had never been caught before when committing similar crimes, and that if he ever found out who had turned him in, he planned to kill them. You might think these kind of feelings are unusual, but this boy's mother felt the same. She confronted the DA after the hearing, accusing him of ruining her son's life (to which the DA responded, "How about the life of the boy that your son attacked?") As far as my client and his mother were concerned, my client's predicament were caused exclusively by the unknown informant and the DA, and had nothing to do with my client's horrific unprovoked attack.

There is a certain entitlement mindset along the lines that "I can do what I want, and if anybody gets hurt then that's their problem." Casey has definitely got it and the Anthonys seem to as well.

Katprint
Before flaming me for representing a monstrous client, keep in mind that if no attorneys represent them then they can't be put in prison.
Always only my own opinions

[cuddlyrunner]

Thanks Shelbar

[dgfred]

Oh I see, she was kidnapped, then the body was planted in Casey's car, after it laid in the back yard. They must have held a gun to her head and made her do the internet searches. I can see the jury buying that. NOT.

Hello Willow, Someone mentioned the other day about the tape being used to keep stuff from leaking onto the car.

The internet searches were in March and even if the idea of chloroform started there it doesn't explain the searches for household weapons or neck breaking... maybe that stuff was for other 'plans'.

Just throwing out some ideas, not disagreeing with you.

[5boxersmom]

Nothing new. The link appears to be the same 59 pages of data contained in the Evidence Reports. If my math is correct, CF13 docs total 210 pages, WFTV9 docs total 241 pages, WESH2 docs total 70, OS is a consolidation of many links from other media outlets. The most complete set of 1/21 docs, so far, seems to be WFTV plus the missing one from CF13.
jmo

ETA - text msgs reported by media were included with earlier releases.

Thank you. Then I will not bother to read them. I wonder why Greta was saying 311 pages?

I hate to think I am missing something. :biggrin:

[shelbar53]

Didn't Pooh and his friends live in the Hundred Acre Woods are something like that? Caylee was found in the "woods". Maybe a stretch, but I keep thinking about the woods.

Uh pooh is like the nanny, he isnt real. Im sorry but that caught me off guard of asking where pooh lives.

[Katprint]

I will post this again, from caseys photalbum,

http://i43.tinypic.com/4fzez8.jpg
Wow, Casey really liked those little hearts, didn't she?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[shelbar53]

pic 5 has the camera

sorry I had a meat slicing accident and I only have 3 fingers, hard for me to count, kidding, I have all 12.

I think some nespapers have more documents than others thats why we are seeing different total document counts.

[steffaroob4]

Didn't Pooh and his friends live in the Hundred Acre Woods are something like that? Caylee was found in the "woods". Maybe a stretch, but I keep thinking about the woods.

I believe they did. What kills me is GA telling how he would take Caylee outside to say goodnight to the moon and stars. I just get sick, thinking of that baby outside all alone.

[Dogmatic]

that's the friend's hand. I assume it's the friend's phone as well.

I wouldn't want to be the friend that had a matching sticker on my cell phone.

Yikes

[WillowInFlight]

Proud member of the "has-been" club! :seeya:

LOL you'll never be a has-been. Any idea when Caylee will be laid to rest?

[cog1]

hi ya cog. I don't know about the tanning thing. But the stickers. I hate those things. Gum and stickers are against the law around here.


I so agree!! Howdy by the way! :smile:

[Dogmatic]

Wow, Casey really liked those little hearts, didn't she?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Oh wow. I'm speechless

[Dunlurken]

Baez has proven to me he is the most incompetent attorney I have ever had the pleasure & displeasure to watch.

Someone posted regarding his press conference yesterday & said he was 'cunning' & that we shouldn't 'underestimate' him. I laughed. Hard. :)

I almost agree with the 'don't underestimate him' comment. I've known Baez is an idiot for some time now. I wasn't clear on how much of an idiot he really is. Until yesterday.

In that respect, I did indeed underestimate him.So you going for ineffective counsel?

[happygert]

There's something that bothers me about that room...It's all set up...nothing out of place.. I know my Grandson when he's in his room and playing or bringing his toys out they are never placed back so neatly..
This room from first time I seen it has nothing out of place...maybe it's just me...I know when I lost my 3 1/2 year old I didn't touch his things for quite sometime. . left it as he had..:shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

Hello Willow, Someone mentioned the other day about the tape being used to keep stuff from leaking onto the car.

The internet searches were in March and even if the idea of chloroform started there it doesn't explain the searches for household weapons or neck breaking... maybe that stuff was for other 'plans'.

Just throwing out some ideas, not disagreeing with you.

ITA that she had other plans. I don't believe that Caylee was intended to be her first victim.

[KKKKKKatie]

I'd rather read the intelligent input of some of our 'has-beens' than the psychotic musings that some members apparently pull out of their butts.

And if you don't like this post, oh butt puller, skip and scroll - it's your friend, right?

You know what...this is just about enough. Are there some here who want the board shut down?

Please stop!

[Dogmatic]

There's something that bothers me about that room...It's all set up...nothing out of place.. I know my Grandson when he's in his room and playing or bringing his toys out they are never placed so neatly..
This room from first time I seen it has nothing out of place...maybe it's just me...I know when I lost my 3 1/2 year old I didn't touch his things for quite sometime. . left it as he had..:shrug:


I think it's subjective.

I've never had a missing child or grandchild, so I'm not sure.

I might leave it untouched.

I might go in and clean it and organize it so that when my beloved child returned the room would be perfect.

I just don't know

[RiverWalk]

Uh pooh is like the nanny, he isnt real. Im sorry but that caught me off guard of asking where pooh lives.

LOL. I know Pooh isn't real. lol.

[happygert]

LOL you'll never be a has-been. Any idea when Caylee will be laid to rest?

It's been 32 days since ME released her body. 20 since last autopsy

[KathR]

Yes. Good point! Thank you. Maybe not in those exact words, but Mommy was mean to me, etc. Didn't give me candy before dinner. Fine line us grand parents walk. JMO.

ETA: By then she would be dead I guess.

The poor little thing might have lived through the experience any number of times before Casey accidentally used too much.

[WillowInFlight]

LOL. I know Pooh isn't real. lol.

Oh tell me it isn't so.:angry:

[Sorrento]

I can't keep up right now so I don't know if this has been posted. InSession's Jean C. is giving an update on the new info that was released yesterday.

[TisMeAgain]

Maybe filed theft charges for all Casey's thefts to teach her accountabilty? Maybe work with Casey to develop a "leaving the nest" and self-sufficiency development plan and timetable? Casey wasn't a minor when she became pregnant with Caylee; parents do not have to coddle their adult children unless they expect their grandchilden to fulfill their own emotional needs. JMO.

Great Post!! I agree 110%:thumbsup:

[Regina.Lampert]

Wow, Casey really liked those little hearts, didn't she?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Bet ya the last one, Missing My Love dated 7/16 will show up at trial.

[5boxersmom]

There's something that bothers me about that room...It's all set up...nothing out of place.. I know my Grandson when he's in his room and playing or bringing his toys out they are never placed back so neatly..
This room from first time I seen it has nothing out of place...maybe it's just me...I know when I lost my 3 1/2 year old I didn't touch his things for quite sometime. . left it as he had..:shrug:

That's true. You should see my 4 year old grandson's room. :biggrin:

My grandson had the Pooh Crib Set too. I remember he had a Velour type blanket trimmed in Satin that matched the set but did not come with it. I can't remember where my DIL got it.

[steffaroob4]

1/22/2009 a amended application for subpoena duces tecum

[Dunlurken]

Baez will not be Casey's trial attorney.

I'm sure of that.

Why do you say that? I'm curious. Death is off the table at this point, so he could try the case. JMO. Could be lead attorney. Isn't it called first chair? (Or is that only in a death penalty case?) Man, I've really got to go get some stuff done. BBL.

[Dogmatic]

It's been 32 days since ME released her body. 20 since last autopsy

There have been several high profile cases of murdered children where the gravesite turned into a place for people to leave nasty messages about who they thought the killer was.

I feel that Caylee deserves peace, and I fear if they gave her a proper buriel now, it would turn into a tourist attraction. (I'm sorry to say that)

I honestly feel it's more respectful to either wait, or to place her somewhere that no one knows about. A very private and spontaneous setting, that he media and the "protester type people" can't find out about.

[num1barb]

Baez will not be Casey's trial attorney.

I'm sure of that.


ITA with this.

Which reason ??

1. He's removed by the judge

2. Fired by his client

3. Replaced with a DP qualified attorney

4. Some other reason (please share)

I'm hoping the DP goes back on the table so this is my pick, if it's not then I pick 1

[happygert]

I think it's subjective.

I've never had a missing child or grandchild, so I'm not sure.

I might leave it untouched.

I might go in and clean it and organize it so that when my beloved child returned the room would be perfect.

I just don't know

Dont get me wrong his room wasn't DIRTY... It was I just left his toys where he had put them.. I buried him with his blue mouse that he had since birth... He went no where without that MOUSE..Didnt organize his toys. Caylee's room like's look it was never played in . which we know it probably was ..oh well never mind...

[RiverWalk]

Oh tell me it isn't so.:angry:

Shel started it. :tongueside:

[Dunlurken]

Oh tell me it isn't so.:angry:

Don't tell my grand daughter. LOL.

[RiverWalk]

I can't keep up right now so I don't know if this has been posted. InSession's Jean C. is giving an update on the new info that was released yesterday.

Thank you. I didn't have the TV on.

[KKKKKKatie]

Dont get me wrong his room wasn't DIRTY... It was I just left his toys where he had put them.. I buried him with his blue mouse that he had since birth... He went no where without that MOUSE..Didnt organize his toys. Caylee's room like's look it was never played in . which we know it probably was ..oh well never mind...

Gert....my guess is that Cindy straightened it up soon after Casey left with Caylee....never dreaming that she wouldn't be back :sad:

[Dogmatic]

Dont get me wrong his room wasn't DIRTY... It was I just left his toys where he had put them.. I buried him with his blue mouse that he had since birth... He went no where without that MOUSE..Didnt organize his toys. Caylee's room like's look it was never played in . which we know it probably was ..oh well never mind...


I'm truly sorry. My heart goes out to you. Peace

[cog1]

Dont get me wrong his room wasn't DIRTY... It was I just left his toys where he had put them.. I buried him with his blue mouse that he had since birth... He went no where without that MOUSE..Didnt organize his toys. Caylee's room like's look it was never played in . which we know it probably was ..oh well never mind...


Maybe Cindy is the way I "used" to be. I was a super clean freak who would get on everyones nerves big time for the cleaning, picking up, straightening up constantly.

She may just be that type who has to keep every thing very orderly and neat and I can see that in her. As a person who is in control.

AMoo

[Regina.Lampert]

Mere hours before her first arrest.

Y Oh yes it was.

[Sorrento]

Jean C. discussing interviews with Cindy's co-workers. Right after she saw the car at the lot she was upset and tellling them that Caylee's doll and carseat were still in the car. Jean believes those statements could be qualified as excited utterances.

[LostinSpace]

Jean C. discussing interviews with Cindy's co-workers. Right after she saw the car at the lot she was upset and tellling them that Caylee's doll and carseat were still in the car. Jean believes those statements could be qualified as excited utterances.

What the heck is an "excited utterence"?

[happygert]

There have been several high profile cases of murdered children where the gravesite turned into a place for people to leave nasty messages about who they thought the killer was.

I feel that Caylee deserves peace, and I fear if they gave her a proper buriel now, it would turn into a tourist attraction. (I'm sorry to say that)

I honestly feel it's more respectful to either wait, or to place her somewhere that no one knows about. A very private and spontaneous setting, that he media and the "protester type people" can't find out about.

Thats where we disagree... This Baby has not been given any respect from her family from day one.. I dont see that anything has changed in her death...Leaving a BABY in a CARDBOARD BOX in a COOLER in a funeral home for 32 days is very DISRESPECTFUL. IMO they are waiting for the highest bidder before they bury her.. I don't believe anyone would do anything to this baby's grave. The public I feel all fell in LOVE with Caylee they want whats best for her UNLIKE her OWN FAMILY...JHMO..

[darcie]

Unlike others here who may be, I'm not starved for that kind of attention, nor did I ever claim to be an "expert" but by the same token I am not some has-been that needs to be recognized for my credentials, education, background or profession. I think that pretty much brings an end to this discussion. Scroll and skip are your friend!

Don't worry, I am skipping and scrolling from this point on........Why do you feel the need to justify yourself? Yet put the other posters down in the same breath.

Skip and scroll is right. It's a shame. You have good points, posts, and all, but your high and mighty attitude puts a dagger right in the middle of it.

Toodles!
MOO

[Dells]

I thought he was pathetic at that mini press conference. Even the defense attornies on HLN couldn't understand why he would make this about him. It's not about Baez. Sheesh at one point, I thought he was going to cry. He couldn't have picked a worse time, imo. The day the docs are released and he sounded like he was overwhelmed.

I agree. What does being Hispanic have to do with it? :unsure:

Me too. The TH's also said that they thought Baez was doing a great disservice to his client and they wondered if he was even qualified to represent her. They said that he had only been practicing for about 3 years and they said it looked like he was in over his head.

On a side note, I really like the male defense attorney that they always have on Prime News. He was a former prosecutor and is now a defense attorney. He always makes it known that when he talks about an angle the defense will use that it is only his opinion as a defense attorney and not his personal opinion. You can tell that he thinks the evidence against Casey is very damaging.

[ishkabibble]

I think it's subjective.

I've never had a missing child or grandchild, so I'm not sure.

I might leave it untouched.

I might go in and clean it and organize it so that when my beloved child returned the room would be perfect.

I just don't know

especially if Greta were coming with cameras, I don't want to be judged
by America based on my housekeeping, there's plenty else to be judged on.LOL

[RiverWalk]

What the heck is an "excited utterence"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance

[Regina.Lampert]

1/22/2009 a amended application for subpoena duces tecum

Does it state which document they are requesting?

[shelbar53]

Baez has proven to me he is the most incompetent attorney I have ever had the pleasure & displeasure to watch.

Someone posted regarding his press conference yesterday & said he was 'cunning' & that we shouldn't 'underestimate' him. I laughed. Hard. :)

I almost agree with the 'don't underestimate him' comment. I've known Baez is an idiot for some time now. I wasn't clear on how much of an idiot he really is. Until yesterday.

In that respect, I did indeed underestimate him.

I have always thought that about Baez. I always thought a lawyer had to be articulate to get their point across. Baez is not well spoken, hard to understand what his point is, fumbles around with his speech, not eleoquent or fluid but to the point of being arrorant and always seems to be using veiled threats aganist anyone who disagrees with him. If you dont agree with me, I will sue you...is the best arguement he can come up with??

[LostinSpace]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance

Couldn't ya just have told me? Now I gotta go read and try to figure out what they mean.

(thanks, jk)

[Lavenia]

What the heck is an "excited utterence"?

It can come into evidence despite the hearsay rules because of the conditions surrounding the utterence. It is thought that when some major, upsetting event happens and people speak without thinking and getting stories together, that it would most likely be the truth. IMO.

(I'm not wording this very well, but maybe it's a bit of the picture.)

[Neffy]

Proud member of the "has-been" club! :seeya:


Now hold on here Young Lady!

You have credibility and when all is said and done from where you've been to where your going that's all that matters :)

Now I wonder how long Baez is going to try to try this case :scared:

[Dogmatic]

Thats where we disagree... This Baby has not been given any respect from her family from day one.. I dont see that anything has changed in her death...Leaving a BABY in a CARDBOARD BOX in a COOLER in a funeral home for 32 days is very DISRESPECTFUL. IMO they are waiting for the highest bidder before they bury her.. I don't believe anyone would do anything to this baby's grave. The public I feel all fell in LOVE with Caylee they want whats best for her UNLIKE her OWN FAMILY...JHMO..

Someone wrote "Mommy killed me" on JonBenet Ramsey's headstone.

There are freaks out there and this case has touched a raw nerve. There are many who feel the grandparents are culpable and are angry at them.

I understand your line of thinking. I just think they need to do it secretly, when no one is expecting it to avoid a circus atmosphere.

[Neffy]

What the heck is an "excited utterence"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_utterance

:)


An excited utterance, in the law of evidence, is a statement made by a person in response to a startling or shocking event or condition. The statement must be spontaneously made by the person (the declarant) while still under the stress of excitement from the event or condition.

[OneUp]

I thought they said Cindy indicated she didn't have enough money to pay for an attorney in order to get custody. It makes me sad that I watched just this morning her testimony at the bond hearing wgere she was willing to put up her house, borrow money or do anything to get dear Casey released!It IS a sad ( and revealing) statement Ann! To be willing to put up your house for the comfort of Casey is bad enough (temporary confort too in their minds, as they would have us all believe she is innocent and will find the justice a "victim" deserves! :rolleyes:)...but to be unable to find the funds to potentially SAVE your grandbaby, a little child!...well, IMO that says ALOT about Cindy, and none of it good. Mind you, I think she said that in court just for the "drama" and to prove how invested she is in Casey's innocence as the MOTY, etc.....And I agree that she likely just wanted to enjoy Caylee as a normal grandmother with visits and spoiling ( not a a full time parent. I don't blame her for wanting to just enjoy being a gramma...I look forward to that myself someday!).
As we talked about earlier today, cutting off Casey's phone, car insurance, and selling that "extra" car would have been a great start. I spent YEARS paying my legal expenses to fight for sole custody of my eldest ( and lost...no "proof" that he was a bad parent...I KNOW personally and professionally how hard it is to sever custodial rights), and I'm sure my salaries haven't ever been much ( if any) more than Cindy's would be as an RN in a decent practice. I hear nursing is a pretty good living in most parts of the country.
As I mentioned earlier, Casey didn't even have funds to pay for her things or Caylee's normally. Where in Hades did Cindy think Casey would find money herself for a legal battle? I doubt Casey would have cared enough to put any extended effort into keeping Caylee and would have given up. There isn't any sign she was ever willing to work for anything at all. Heck, given what we have learned of Casey, she probably would have signed her over for the car and a chunk of cash!

Of course, much of this IS hindsight...but I do believe Cindy knew that Casey wasn't an "ideal" mother all along. Reports from co-workers, family, and Cindy's own words prove that much. Maybe she WOULD have fought and found the funds if she knew this might be the outcome...I'd like to think she would anyway.
JMO.

[Sorrento]

What the heck is an "excited utterence"?

I'm not a lawyer so hopefully somebody else can give a better explanation. It's a way that what would normally be hearsay can be admitted. A statement that a person makes when responding to a shocking or traumatic experience. It has to be spontaneous. I've seen it applied in child abuse cases so that the first person a child reveals the abuse to is able to testify about what the child said.

[shelbar53]

I believe Baez will be removed from this case by Judge Strickland.

And rightfully so.

Is that normal or commen for a lawyer to be removed from a case?

[happygert]

Maybe Cindy is the way I "used" to be. I was a super clean freak who would get on everyones nerves big time for the cleaning, picking up, straightening up constantly.

She may just be that type who has to keep every thing very orderly and neat and I can see that in her. As a person who is in control.

AMoo

I am like that but when my son passed where he put his toys wasn't that important to me...If half were sticking out of his toy box or his animals weren't put where they usually were didnt seem to matter.. What mattered to me was he was no longer there to play with them...That he'd never touch anything in his room again....Does that make sense to anyone...

[Lavenia]

Now hold on here Young Lady!

You have credibility and when all is said and done from where you've been to where your going that's all that matters :)

Now I wonder how long Baez is going to try to try this case :scared:

"Young lady". <dreamy sigh>

[Jester]

I do not think it is unreasonable to know or ask what a persons experience with multiple personalities is or for that matter if there is any experience at all other than reading a diagnosis. If you do have some first hand experience then it is more likely someone is going to understand where your opinions are coming from.

I think multiple personality disorder was debunked some times ago. It's now called dissociative personality disorder, but the condition usually requires some sort of traumatic childhood experience. There's lots of info on the net and, from what we know, Casey doesn't fit into the category in any way. She makes a much better psychopath.

[WillowInFlight]

I am like that but when my son passed where he put his toys wasn't that important to me...If half were sticking out of his toy box or his animals weren't put where they usually were didnt seem to matter.. What mattered to me was he was no longer there to play with them...That he'd never touch anything in his room again....Does that make sense to anyone...

Perfect sense, and I am so sorry for your loss.

[cog1]

I am like that but when my son passed where he put his toys wasn't that important to me...If half were sticking out of his toy box or his animals weren't put where they usually were didnt seem to matter.. What mattered to me was he was no longer there to play with them...That he'd never touch anything in his room again....Does that make sense to anyone...

Yes it totally makes sense!! I tried to edit my post to add that I am so sorry for you loss and I would have done they same had one of my children been gone from me. All would remain as it had been I think.

[OneUp]

>>>SNIPPED<<<

There is a certain entitlement mindset along the lines that "I can do what I want, and if anybody gets hurt then that's their problem." Casey has definitely got it and the Anthonys seem to as well.

Katprint
Before flaming me for representing a monstrous client, keep in mind that if no attorneys represent them then they can't be put in prison.
Always only my own opinionsNo flaming! I admire you for being tough enough to do so! I couldn't represent a guilty person and ask for anything more than some leniency if there were "mitigating" circumstances...but I've nothing against those who do so as upright and lawful members of the legal profession. It is a much needed part of our system of law, and someone needs to be there to keep things fair, etc.
Boy Kat! I bet you're eyes were opened the first few months on the job!
I know I've seen and been part of things I wouldn't believe if another person told them to me!...as your post says, the apple often falls close to the tree!
JMO.

[Dells]

Right! Morning, Pru. Yesterdays doc dump included interviews with her co-workers. After she got back from the tow yard and told them what was going on, including telling one that the car smelled like a dead body, they told her to go home and call LE. SHE DID NOT WANT TO DO THIS. Claiming she'd speak to Casey about it later. A higher up had to basically force her to leave work that day. She had work to do and that was more important than finding her lying, scamming Daughter and her missing Grand Child.

I couldn't believe that Cindy actually went back to work. It just goes to show that she has been in denial since the very beginning.:scared:

[happygert]

Perfect sense, and I am so sorry for your loss.

Thank You WillowInFlight..

[Dogmatic]

I couldn't believe that Cindy actually went back to work. It just goes to show that she has been in denial since the very beginning.:scared:

It kind of sounds like she was the only income producing member of that family, so maybe it's more about necessity than choice.

[RiverWalk]

Jean C. (TruTV) said that she checked at the courthouse and still no COV papers by Baez yet. Jean said that once the papers are filed they will not be sealed and there will be an open hearing. So much for Baez super undisclosed location wish.

[happygert]

Yes it totally makes sense!! I tried to edit my post to add that I am so sorry for you loss and I would have done they same had one of my children been gone from me. All would remain as it had been I think.

Thank You and Mine son's room stayed like that for a very long time.

[martha]

Hello dear Martha, I don`t think anyone but Casey killed Caylee, this theory of a drug killing is just defense smoke and mirrors. I am off for a bit, but always good to see you, Martha. Thank you honey, I really don;t think that is the case. I am so mixed up in my mind right now. I just don;t understand a mother doing something like this. My heart still breaks for little caylee. I sure don;t agree with the way the family has acted but i do feel for cindy. I love my grand children so much. I would never want to believe my own child could do something like this.I just don;t understand how casey could do this to her baby no how mad she was at her mother. I guess casey had always been # one and she wanted to stay #1. the only way she could do that was to get rid of caylee.From the looks of the house you could tell cindy was spending a lot of money on caylee.jmho

[?noanswer]

I couldn't believe that Cindy actually went back to work. It just goes to show that she has been in denial since the very beginning.:scared:

Just as unbelievable as the fact that she has not been to work since. JMO

[OneUp]

I am like that but when my son passed where he put his toys wasn't that important to me...If half were sticking out of his toy box or his animals weren't put where they usually were didnt seem to matter.. What mattered to me was he was no longer there to play with them...That he'd never touch anything in his room again....Does that make sense to anyone...Just a {{{HUG}}}} for you happygert...some days "we" need one more than others. This seems like a "hug" day.
I do know just what you mean...and I'm not going to dissect that ONE aspect of Cindy's behavior. It is among the things that are too emotional for me to post about.
I DO think she grieves, I DON'T know how she lives with some of her actions and words though. I don't doubt one bit that she is in a painful place right now...one that is worsened by her own mindset.
I still pray for them, whether or not they deserve, need, or want my prayers.( George and Cindy).
JMO.

[bama__angel]

I am like that but when my son passed where he put his toys wasn't that important to me...If half were sticking out of his toy box or his animals weren't put where they usually were didnt seem to matter.. What mattered to me was he was no longer there to play with them...That he'd never touch anything in his room again....Does that make sense to anyone...


Makes heartbreaking almost unbearable sense to me..

[ishkabibble]

Prior to the arrest of Casey on the 16th or 17 th of July, She and Cindy sat and created a My Space page for Caylee and sent out all those texts to people informing them that Caylee was missing. I noticed she never mentioned in those texts that Caylee was last seen with ZFG or Zanny. Why not? I think that would be very important information for that circle of people since Zanny was know to hang in Fusion and Universal studios and a lot of Casey's friends frequented those places also.

I can't imagine Cindy believed that Casey had no contact info for Jeff Hopkins or his mom (suffering from cancer and a newlywed!!) FGS during the past month they were talking about creating a family together with poor little Zach whose mother died, and now little Zach's lost not only a mom, but a possible step mom, step sister and nanny!!!

i think one of Cindy's co workers said some of the things Cindy told them were "beyond belief" but Cindy seemed to believe, I guess Rick was correct ...the Guinness book of Gullible"

[WillowInFlight]

Jean C. (TruTV) said that she checked at the courthouse and still no COV papers by Baez yet. Jean said that once the papers are filed they will not be sealed and there will be an open hearing. So much for Baez super undisclosed location wish.

Who decides the COV location, the judge?

[?noanswer]

Jean C. (TruTV) said that she checked at the courthouse and still no COV papers by Baez yet. Jean said that once the papers are filed they will not be sealed and there will be an open hearing. So much for Baez super undisclosed location wish.

He should have been filing the papers, instead of doing a press conference. Oh, but they will not be sealed. Doncha know JB is extra special. NOT

JMO

[happy2bme]

Dont get me wrong his room wasn't DIRTY... It was I just left his toys where he had put them.. I buried him with his blue mouse that he had since birth... He went no where without that MOUSE..Didnt organize his toys. Caylee's room like's look it was never played in . which we know it probably was ..oh well never mind...


Cindy had Geta coming over....had to keep up the charade of a "perfect family/houshold".

[num1barb]

I am like that but when my son passed where he put his toys wasn't that important to me...If half were sticking out of his toy box or his animals weren't put where they usually were didnt seem to matter.. What mattered to me was he was no longer there to play with them...That he'd never touch anything in his room again....Does that make sense to anyone...

Makes sense to me Gert.

I'm so sorry for your loss. The sadness you must feel I don't know if I could bear.

[?noanswer]

Who decides the COV location, the judge?


I guess whomever is filing for COV can suggest locations, but I would think it would be up to the Judge. First to decide if there will be a COV, and if so, then where it will be. I think he will take it under advisement and not give a decision on the spot. JMO

[ishkabibble]

Jean C. (TruTV) said that she checked at the courthouse and still no COV papers by Baez yet. Jean said that once the papers are filed they will not be sealed and there will be an open hearing. So much for Baez super undisclosed location wish.

It sounded to me as if he thought he would get to pick the location the trial would be held. I thought there was some research that would be done by both sides and then the judge would decide.. But I'm sure Jose knows what he is talking about.

[True2Blues]

Who decides the COV location, the judge?


Yes, despite what Baez keeps saying.

[Elle]

IIRC, Lee was there when it happened. JMO.


IIRC the alleged choking incident happened the night of Fathers DAy. I do not believe Lee was there that night. He would have had to have been told by someone else.

[marshmallow]

i think one of Cindy's co workers said some of the things Cindy told them were "beyond belief" but Cindy seemed to believe, I guess Rick was correct ...the Guinness book of Gullible"

it's as if Cindy would rather be thought to be a gullable fool than thought to be the mother of an imperfect daughter.

[Jester]

It sounded to me as if he thought he would get to pick the location the trial would be held. I thought there was some research that would be done by both sides and then the judge would decide.. But I'm sure Jose knows what he is talking about.

Thinking back to the Laci Peterson case, surveys were completed, and all sorts of info was presented to the Judge about change of venue. The Judge ultimately makes the decision.

[ishkabibble]

Hmmm... I'm sure of the exact opposite.


I guess I didn't express sarcasm very well, sorry !!

[need2no]

It kind of sounds like she was the only income producing member of that family, so maybe it's more about necessity than choice.

I don't think most people would even think about finances in that situation.

[num1barb]

~snipped for bandwidth~
There is a certain entitlement mindset along the lines that "I can do what I want, and if anybody gets hurt then that's their problem." Casey has definitely got it and the Anthonys seem to as well.

Katprint
Before flaming me for representing a monstrous client, keep in mind that if no attorneys represent them then they can't be put in prison.
Always only my own opinions

No flames from me and I'm sure most on this board!! Defense attorneys are a necessary part of our judicial system, although I could never be one! LOL

[happygert]

Just a {{{HUG}}}} for you happygert...some days "we" need one more than others. This seems like a "hug" day.
I do know just what you mean...and I'm not going to dissect that ONE aspect of Cindy's behavior. It is among the things that are too emotional for me to post about.
I DO think she grieves, I DON'T know how she lives with some of her actions and words though. I don't doubt one bit that she is in a painful place right now...one that is worsened by her own mindset.
I still pray for them, whether or not they deserve, need, or want my prayers.( George and Cindy).
JMO.

Thanks and thanks for the Hugs.. I'M not even going to comprehend how or why they did what they did..As far as Caylee is concerned..

[dgfred]

Casey sure is stubborn! Can you imagine being confronted with ALL your lies, then still sticking to your story? Amazing to me how Casey (like S.Peterson) could lie at the drop of a hat, tell a few more, then act
like nothing is up... simply amazing.

[ishkabibble]

Ah. I was wondering if you were being sarcastic in a few of your posts.

Thank you very much for the clarification. :)

You're welcome, and I'll try harder in the future to be more clear.

[RiverWalk]

Who decides the COV location, the judge?

Yes after the hearing from both sides.

[happy2bme]

Thank You and Mine son's room stayed like that for a very long time.


I am sorry too Happy.:sad:

[Babes]

I bet Casey lied to Cindy about everything that is missing from the house and now with each disclosure Cindy must realize how evil Casey is.

ITA

IMO Cindy got stucked on Casey's Lies - This is all about Casey and her selfishness.... Casey brought all the evil things on this family :scared:

[True2Blues]

I don't think most people would even think about finances in that situation.

I think it may have been because work was the only place where Cindy could find normalcy, and where she had any actual control.

I still can't see why she would ignore such serious things, when the life of her Granddaughter was in question, but it seems she wanted to.

[?noanswer]

RE: Change of venue

Would it be less costly to sequester the jurors than to move the trial to another location? If so, that could be a reason, the Judge would not approve a COV. Course JB will probably request COV and the jurors be sequestered. JMO

[happygert]

Makes sense to me Gert.

I'm so sorry for your loss. The sadness you must feel I don't know if I could bear.

Thanks and you learn to cope...This is why I'm so enotional when it comes to Caylee... This poor baby didnt have a chance.. It's bad enough when a Child passes before the parents.. BUT it's just down right HORRIBLE when the Child is MURDERED let alone by the MOTHER!..

[Neffy]

Hmmm... I'm sure of the exact opposite.


Maybe he's planning of just showing up at a random court house with his "team" in tow. Kinda like like when he hauled everyone out to help the investigators :shrug:

[Babes]

RE: Change of venue

Would it be less costly to sequester the jurors than to move the trial to another location? If so, that could be a reason, the Judge would not approve a COV. Course JB will probably request COV and the jurors be sequestered. JMO

IMO the Judge will deny the COV.

[RiverWalk]

It sounded to me as if he thought he would get to pick the location the trial would be held. I thought there was some research that would be done by both sides and then the judge would decide.. But I'm sure Jose knows what he is talking about.

Each side has to do their homework. $ issues moving all the Judicial staff, housing and moving all the witnesses, etc. I remember Mark G. doing "mock" jury questionnaires to "prove" they couldn't get a fair trial for ole Scotty boy.

[need2no]

I think it may have been because work was the only place where Cindy could find normalcy, and where she had any actual control.

I still can't see why she would ignore such serious things, when the life of her Granddaughter was in question, but it seems she wanted to.

Two things, (in addition to your control suggestion), come to mind to explain why Cindy returned to work that day:

1) as usual, sticking her head in the sand...if she ignores the obvious perhaps it will work itself out

2) being the center of attention and getting empathy from her co-workers

[Dells]

Not directing this at you but using the word "you" in a general context. I don't understand why some find overdosing a child into sleep as more acceptable than killing a child? How can you "accidently" overdose and kill a child when you are giving them medications they aren't supposed to have? Maybe Casey gave Caylee xanax 99 times before the 100th time it killed her, That doesn't excuse the 99 times before nor does it make the 100th time an "accident". IF she od'd her daughter with any substance, it equates to murder in my book. Am I missing something here?

JMO

I totally agree w/you. I don't see how an overdose can be accidental. If a child (or anyone) is given a substance that they are not supposed to have, then it seems like it should not be accidental. If they are given a substance that they are not supposed to have then it is poison in my book and that equates to murder, not accident.

[CelticDawn]

Thank you. Then I will not bother to read them. I wonder why Greta was saying 311 pages?

I hate to think I am missing something. :biggrin:



It was my inderstanding that there should be some more FBI forensic reports that artnt there.....Does anybody have any idea what they are?


I know there should be reports on the bone fragments taken for testing.

[True2Blues]

Two things, (in addition to your control suggestion), come to mind to explain why Cindy returned to work that day:

1) as usual, sticking her head in the sand...if she ignores the obvious perhaps it will work itself out

2) being the center of attention and getting empathy from her co-workers

I can see both of those, definitely.

[happygert]

Two things, (in addition to your control suggestion), come to mind to explain why Cindy returned to work that day:

1) as usual, sticking her head in the sand...if she ignores the obvious perhaps it will work itself out

2) being the center of attention and getting empathy from her co-workers

ITA especially on 2...it all falls back to them...me. me, mindset.

[Loves2Read]

Casey sure is stubborn! Can you imagine being confronted with ALL your lies, then still sticking to your story? Amazing to me how Casey (like S.Peterson) could lie at the drop of a hat, tell a few more, then act
like nothing is up... simply amazing.

That can only come from years and years of practice. I bet after a while it's like second nature.

I bet the lying juices are really pumping when you are desperate to save your own skin. Saying anything doing anything just so you can get away without punishment.

I think that paints the perfect picture of what Casey is doing.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Two things, (in addition to your control suggestion), come to mind to explain why Cindy returned to work that day:

1) as usual, sticking her head in the sand...if she ignores the obvious perhaps it will work itself out

2) being the center of attention and getting empathy from her co-workers


In a backwards sort of way, CinA returning to work at 1:30PM - 2PM may help her by reducing suspicions and the available time to clean the Pontiac after its retreival.
jmo

[need2no]

My bolding. I have to point out that I just posted about Casey doing this. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Here is Cindy doing the same thing. She gets mad at Casey and ends up starting a smear campaign against her at work one day and garnishing sympathy from her co-workers in the process. Two for one deal. Boy oh, boy, like mother like daughter.


Children learn what they live....

casey learned well!

[Babes]

Two things, (in addition to your control suggestion), come to mind to explain why Cindy returned to work that day:

1) as usual, sticking her head in the sand...if she ignores the obvious perhaps it will work itself out

2) being the center of attention and getting empathy from her co-workers

Does Cindy have her own laptop or PC at her house? Maybe she went to work that day to access and search the internet about missing kids... searching for a lawyer online... etc...IMO

[summer4meplz]

Two things, (in addition to your control suggestion), come to mind to explain why Cindy returned to work that day:

1) as usual, sticking her head in the sand...if she ignores the obvious perhaps it will work itself out

2) being the center of attention and getting empathy from her co-workers


or #3...(maybe) she knew she wouldn't be back and wanted to shore up some loose ends....

[marshmallow]

Does Cindy have her own laptop or PC at her house? Maybe she went to work that day to access and search the internet IMO

I thought Casey's laptop was actually Cindy's.

[happygert]

It also shows how the two of them are adept at manipulation and have such a huge sense of entitlement, both Casey and Cindy. Incredible!

Yep... both narcissistic personalities...

[Elle]

Cindy's brother Rick learned of the incident from his mother, who in turn learned of it from Cindy herself.

OMG thats right, I completely forgot about that. Here I was questioning if it really happened, thinking it might have come from Casey, and since I believe 0 words that come out of her mouth, I was skeptical.

[Loves2Read]

My bolding. I have to point out that I just posted about Casey doing this. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Here is Cindy doing the same thing. She gets mad at Casey and ends up starting a smear campaign against her at work one day and garnishing sympathy from her co-workers in the process. Two for one deal. Boy oh, boy, like mother like daughter.

Yes, remember in one of the video visitations they had at one point they were looking at each other and Cindy said " You and I are just alike" and Casey said "Absolutely".

So true with the exception that Casey is the Cindy 2.0 version with the murdering enhancement.

[need2no]

In a backwards sort of way, CinA returning to work at 1:30PM - 2PM may help her by reducing suspicions and the available time to clean the Pontiac after its retreival.
jmo


Good point, and that takes a very calculating mind to think that way.

If true, another example of like mother, like daughter.

[steffaroob4]

Thursday Jan. 22, 2009 (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/)

3:30 PM ET - We're still combing through 300 pages of bombshell investigative documents released in the Caylee Anthony murder case. In addition to the heartbreaking detail that Caylee's mouth was covered with duct tape once bearing a heart-shaped sticker, and her remains were placed in a laundry bag and a plastic bag, we also learn a Winnie the Pooh blanket, a pair of striped shorts and a small shirt also discovered in the same bag. More of tot mom Casey Anthony's obsession with text messaging. The documents reveal several texts from friends upset with Casey Anthony and surprised she never mentioned anything about her missing toddler girl the entire month before grandmother Cindy Anthony's frantic 911 calls. Just hours after discovering Caylee's remains, investigators obtained search warrants to look for specific items at the Anthony home, including materials to make chloroform, garbage bags, duct tape, and toys found near little Caylee's remains. Reports are police even search for any Winnie the Pooh-related materials similar to the blanket found near Caylee's body. The defense filing yet another motion, seeking permission to inspect the heavily wooded area where Caylee's remains were found. (From Stacey Newman, Nancy Grace Producer)

[WillowInFlight]

I thought Cassey's laptop was actually Cindy's.

Thats what I thought too.

[RiverWalk]

I thought Cassey's laptop was actually Cindy's.

According to Lee, Casey had her mom's laptop.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:M5OdjFCkyKkJ:www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/01%2520Lee%2520Anthony%2520July%252029,%25202008.p df+Lee+Anthony+%22tony%27s+house%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=safari

[AnnInOhio]

Or skip and scroll. Because unlike others here, I am not in need of any recognition for what I do for a living. I don't need applause or people revering me so badly that I have to disclose my profession. Let's just leave it at that. Skip and scroll is always an option.

Applause and revering you? Pfft! There went my soda! If you've worked with DID patients, maybe you've also run into a few suffering from delusions of grandeur in your time!

[ishkabibble]

It also shows how the two of them are adept at manipulation and have such a huge sense of entitlement, both Casey and Cindy. Incredible!

they both toss the lies out there, hoping some fall for some of them sometimes!!

[need2no]

Does Cindy have her own laptop or PC at her house? Maybe she went to work that day to access and search the internet about missing kids... searching for a lawyer online... etc...IMO

IIRC the laptop found in casey's car was Cindy's. casey did not own a laptop.

[Babes]

I thought Cassey's laptop was actually Cindy's.

Casey was seen with her laptop even at her bf's house - Maybe Cindy just said "this is her laptop" so they will have time to discard stuff and logs in there ...

[marshmallow]

Casey was seen with her laptop even at her bf's house - Maybe Cindy just said "this is her laptop" so they will have time to discard stuff and logs in there ...

I think it was Lee who said it wasn't Casey's it was Cindy's.

[playnice]

Why arent we seeing the text messages? I assume these are the ones that include June 1th all nighter with TonE?

[need2no]

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.

Suffice it to say... I'll never tire of posting that particular exchange.


Post on LS....
I also like that one, but my favorite is:

When casey lies she always tells the truth........I'm waiting, but not holding my breath!

[Babes]

According to Lee, Casey had her mom's laptop.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:M5OdjFCkyKkJ:www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/01%2520Lee%2520Anthony%2520July%252029,%25202008.p df+Lee+Anthony+%22tony%27s+house%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=safari

THanks for the Link...Maybe Cindy purchased the Laptop but Casey's using it most of the time...

[Ladyhawk]

Yes, remember in one of the video visitations they had at one point they were looking at each other and Cindy said " You and I are just alike" and Casey said "Absolutely".

So true with the exception that Casey is the Cindy 2.0 version with the murdering enhancement.

So very true. The original came close to murder (the choking incident) but evidently had too much self control.

[Loves2Read]

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.

Suffice it to say... I'll never tire of posting that particular exchange.

Darn... I thought I remembered it right.... :confused:

I will remember that next time!

(it's one of my favorite exchanges as well)

[ishkabibble]

Thursday Jan. 22, 2009 (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/)

3:30 PM ET - We're still combing through 300 pages of bombshell investigative documents released in the Caylee Anthony murder case. In addition to the heartbreaking detail that Caylee's mouth was covered with duct tape once bearing a heart-shaped sticker, and her remains were placed in a laundry bag and a plastic bag, we also learn a Winnie the Pooh blanket, a pair of striped shorts and a small shirt also discovered in the same bag. More of tot mom Casey Anthony's obsession with text messaging. The documents reveal several texts from friends upset with Casey Anthony and surprised she never mentioned anything about her missing toddler girl the entire month before grandmother Cindy Anthony's frantic 911 calls. Just hours after discovering Caylee's remains, investigators obtained search warrants to look for specific items at the Anthony home, including materials to make chloroform, garbage bags, duct tape, and toys found near little Caylee's remains. Reports are police even search for any Winnie the Pooh-related materials similar to the blanket found near Caylee's body. The defense filing yet another motion, seeking permission to inspect the heavily wooded area where Caylee's remains were found. (From Stacey Newman, Nancy Grace Producer)


Didn't the PI Dom Casey in the video have some sort of blanket that he found in his search? He threw it to the side I think. Wonder if it is the same one?

[CelticDawn]

No matter how this case turns out


Hug your kids and grandkids.

If you love soemone, tell them.

If you see someone in danger Help them if you can.


Take care of yourselves because without taking care of you....you cant help others.

[WillowInFlight]

Yep. And I think that at some point, both of them believe their own lies and that it is interchangeable. One lies and the other swears to it.

ITA, I think Casey does believe her lies. I wonder when the last time she dealt with reality was.

[Pat]

Maybe Cindy is the way I "used" to be. I was a super clean freak who would get on everyones nerves big time for the cleaning, picking up, straightening up constantly.

She may just be that type who has to keep every thing very orderly and neat and I can see that in her. As a person who is in control.

AMoo

Change that to "I am..." and it applies to me. :laugh: I'd get buried in every one's litter if I didn't make them keep up. They are always so shocked when they find their stuff where it is supposed to be.

Back on topic though...I watched an interview with Cindy (with her dogs) and thought she had a lovely home and her dogs were so well groomed. Could be she can't cope with disorder. She worked full-time and overtime, took care of all of them...not a lot of hours in the day to spend cleaning.

I'll give her a pass on the clean room (says the one with allllll the American Doll stuff on the dining room table to keep the cat from sneezing on it all).

[num1barb]

I agree. This is why I cringe at the thought of what Caylee would have been like growing up in that house under the influence of her mother and grandmother.

I was discussing Caylee having to grow up in that house with a friend of mine...she suggested that maybe that's why God called Caylee home (her words...I just say Caylee's momster murdered her). So she wouldn't have to grow up to be like that...with that family.

I DO believe that there is a plan for all of us, and that EVERYTHING happens for a reason, whether we like/understand it or not.

MOO

[Neffy]

ITA, I think Casey does believe her lies. I wonder when the last time she dealt with reality was.

Casey?

It's been a quite a while for sure :)

[need2no]

Casey was seen with her laptop even at her bf's house - Maybe Cindy just said "this is her laptop" so they will have time to discard stuff and logs in there ...

I really don't believe Cindy allowed ANYTHING to truly be casey's, just like the car wasn't in casey's name.....control was the name of the game in that house.

[Babes]

I think it was Lee who said it wasn't Casey's it was Cindy's.


Yea the link was provided couple post above this...:seeya: -

[steffaroob4]

Didn't the PI Dom Casey in the video have some sort of blanket that he found in his search? He threw it to the side I think. Wonder if it is the same one?

yes,
I believe the blanket at the scene was in the bag.

[num1barb]

ITA, I think Casey does believe her lies. I wonder when the last time she dealt with reality was.

My guess would be high school.

[OneUp]

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.

Suffice it to say... I'll never tire of posting that particular exchange.
I can see why Landie!
That is the issue in a nutshell IMO. Like mother, like daughter...only "better".
Two attention seeking, lying, manipulative, hateful, desperate women playing off of one another for years....just honing their skills and sharpening their loathing in daily battles.
Casey won out in the end by actually going to ANY lengths in her pursuit of her "good" life....Cindy just complained about not getting a good life. while enabling others to keep her from it.
I try not to think about what that is like as a "home" for a toddler. Imagine growing up to think of this as "normal"?!?! It warms my heart to know that caylee had those visits at the ALF, and the time she did with the Grund family ( who seem nice and decent...not perfect before I'm accused of "sainting" them again).
JMO.

[Babes]

I really don't believe Cindy allowed ANYTHING to truly be casey's, just like the car wasn't in casey's name.....control was the name of the game in that house.


Hi need2no - Long time no see....

I dont think anybody here would like to put their car's name on Casey's name either - or if they have a daughter that is acting like Casey at least -- :scared:

[ishkabibble]

My guess would be high school.

her friend Ryan says the lies go way way back..

[happy2bme]

IIRC the laptop found in casey's car was Cindy's. casey did not own a laptop.


Laptop found in Casey's car? I thought LA went and picked up Cindy's lap top from Tone's house?

[RiverWalk]

Didn't the PI Dom Casey in the video have some sort of blanket that he found in his search? He threw it to the side I think. Wonder if it is the same one?

The video that Hoover took of Dom Casey is NOT at spot where Caylee was found.

[num1barb]

her friend Ryan says the lies go way way back..


Yes, but I think it was probably a LOT harder for her to get away with her lying in high school.

Teachers and principals have heard it all, usually.

Would have been a tough crowd for momster...much tougher than the folks, KWIM?

[Heyes]

ITA, I think Casey does believe her lies. I wonder when the last time she dealt with reality was.

Ya know what Willow, I don't think casey believes her lies. I'm pretty sure she knows exactly what she's spewing. What she can't wrap her mind around is why no one else is believing her lies......this time.
I agree with fellow posters. Lies have been coming out of her mouth (and cindy's) for years. Most people just walk away or ignore it. Now she's up against the FBI, the police, the public in general and it's not working. Bet that just pizzes her off.

[newsjunkie]

I should have posted about this last night when I saw it and it's been bugging me all day.
If you watched Greta last night Dr Baden was talking about the duct tape with Greta and he said something she didn't bother to correct. ( she doesn't correct alot lately)
After a back and forth he made a point to say that you have to be careful because no one knows where the ducktape was. It probably wasn't around the mouth.
Greta didn't respond to that and I was sure I had seen in the docs that ir WAS around the mouth.
He sure knows how to deflect in his wife's interest.
After that he did say a few things however that did make Casey look guilty and I figured all the good he tried to do for LKB then he's going to end up with her po'ed anyway.
No need to respond I just wanted to get that out there so ya'll could watch closer if he's on again tonight :tonguewag:

[ishkabibble]

Or one step further, when was the last time Casey actually told the complete truth about something. I think that Cindy asking her to look directly into her eyes at that jail visit, speaks volumes. "You know I needed you to do that" , says Cindy.

I think that was her attempting to see if she was lying, my mom used to make me stick out my tongue and then told me it turned yellow when I lied. I would try to get it in and out quick so she couldn't tell but she always knew!! I guess it changed back by the time I got to the mirror to check.:tonguewag:

[Babes]

Laptop found in Casey's car? I thought LA went and picked up Cindy's lap top from Tone's house?

Hmmmm

where are the Links Masters here - Please verify this... TIA

[RiverWalk]

You're exactly right.

We need to keep the link of Hoover handy where he says that. lol

[5boxersmom]

ITA, I think Casey does believe her lies. I wonder when the last time she dealt with reality was.

When she said she was a spiteful you know what. :wink:

[Neffy]

her friend Ryan says the lies go way way back..

Without a doubt they go way back.

People that LIE are so comfortable in doing it even when their caught or called on it or challenged they just switch the subject. Type of an alter ego that their real life is shallow and empty so they make something up of who and what they are.

[RiverWalk]

Hmmmm

where are the Links Masters here - Please verify this... TIA

lol. I just gave you the link of Lee Anthony. He states his mother's laptop at TonE's house when he got the rest of her "stuff".

ETA: All those A's lie like a rug. So who knows where that laptop really was and who crashed the thing???

[need2no]

Hi need2no - Long time no see....

I dont think anybody here would like to put their car's name on Casey's name either - or if they have a daughter that is acting like Casey at least -- :scared:


Hey Babes, good to 'see' you!

I don't disagree with your thoughts, even though if you think about it Cindy was cutting off her nose to spite her face considering how irresponsible casey is, and with her being over 21....Cindy could have lost everything she owned because of casey's actions. But Cindy was probably so hell bent on keeping control, she didn't think of that possibility.

[Babes]

lol. I just gave you the link of Lee Anthony. He states his mother's laptop at TonE's house when he got the rest of her "stuff".

LOL i got that - there was a post that laptop was found in a car - :sneaky:

[MGM111]

In a backwards sort of way, CinA returning to work at 1:30PM - 2PM may help her by reducing suspicions and the available time to clean the Pontiac after its retreival.
jmo

They why would she remark about the smell of the car to her co workers..odd isnt it?

[CC I See]

Don't forget she had everything Caylee needed clothes, toys, and car seat : )

... and if she had everything she needed for Caylee, WHY would she need a key to the Anthony's house?

[newsjunkie]

Without a doubt they go way back.

People that LIE are so comfortable in doing it even when their caught or called on it or challenged they just switch the subject. Type of an alter ego that their real life is shallow and empty so they make something up of who and what they are.




I think she finds it very easy to lie because no one seems to have ever called her out on her lies. Maybe she didn't expect LE would call her on them either.

[ishkabibble]

Bolding mine. A dead giveaway! :laugh:

So that's how she knew!!! Thanks, years of wondering ended.

[Daffodil]

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.

Suffice it to say... I'll never tire of posting that particular exchange.

That made me laugh. I just thought of how my husband and practically every man somewhere near his age can just quote from Caddyshack and the other men will quote the next line. It's like they have the whole movie down.

I am just not like that. But what I can remember are things like you posted above.

[num1barb]

I think she finds it very easy to lie because no one seems to have ever called her out on her lies. Maybe she didn't expect LE would call her on them either.

ITA I don't think she ever counted on LE actually investigating. She was counting on them just taking her word for everything and treating her like a victim.

[Heyes]

Katprint,

I keep learning from you. My goodness, you must have a thick skin to deal with people like this. Does it make you a pessimist at all? Are you able to look at people and see good in them. I'm not saying you are like that just that I would think it would be hard to have a sunny disposition.

yes!
I have learned so much from katprint.


Thanks for reminding me to give a big gigantic THANK YOU to our KATPRINT!!!!

[summer4meplz]

I should have posted about this last night when I saw it and it's been bugging me all day.
If you watched Greta last night Dr Baden was talking about the duct tape with Greta and he said something she didn't bother to correct. ( she doesn't correct alot lately)
After a back and forth he made a point to say that you have to be careful because no one knows where the ducktape was. It probably wasn't around the mouth.
Greta didn't respond to that and I was sure I had seen in the docs that ir WAS around the mouth.
He sure knows how to deflect in his wife's interest.
After that he did say a few things however that did make Casey look guilty and I figured all the good he tried to do for LKB then he's going to end up with her po'ed anyway.
No need to respond I just wanted to get that out there so ya'll could watch closer if he's on again tonight :tonguewag:

i also noticed greta didn't make it known that dr. Michael Baden is married to one of casey's defense attorneys.....

[Ladyhawk]

Laptop found in Casey's car? I thought LA went and picked up Cindy's lap top from Tone's house?

You're correct, Lee spent 2 hours picking it up at Tony's apartment the night of the 15th of July.

[Heyes]

I should have posted about this last night when I saw it and it's been bugging me all day.
If you watched Greta last night Dr Baden was talking about the duct tape with Greta and he said something she didn't bother to correct. ( she doesn't correct alot lately)
After a back and forth he made a point to say that you have to be careful because no one knows where the ducktape was. It probably wasn't around the mouth.
Greta didn't respond to that and I was sure I had seen in the docs that ir WAS around the mouth.
He sure knows how to deflect in his wife's interest.
After that he did say a few things however that did make Casey look guilty and I figured all the good he tried to do for LKB then he's going to end up with her po'ed anyway.
No need to respond I just wanted to get that out there so ya'll could watch closer if he's on again tonight :tonguewag:
If there's at least 2 things I've learned when watching pretrial or the actual trial is...
1. do not under any circumstances pay attention to greta until the guilty verdict comes in.
2. Never listen to badan...either one of them...ever
I have more, henry lee included but we all know why that is...lol

[WillowInFlight]

Casey learned from the best of the best. Cindy= "we are getting threats, I never said we were getting threats".

[newsjunkie]

I think that Greta is torn because she works for a network that is pro-defense so when someone from the defense team or connected to it, comes out with garbage, she bites her tongue. If it had been a prosecutor or an talking head that favors the State, my guess would be that it would have been a different story. I see this happening more and more on the Nancy Grace show, too.


There is no one at FOX that is pro defense except Geraldo.
On all the other shows on Fox they are disgusted with CA.
Greta messed up by getting to close to the A's and believing the garbage they gave out. She did get an exclusive of the house and she was ever sooo grateful.
She did the same thing way back with Joran Van Der Sloot. She started to doubt his guilt and made everyone mad at her .
My point was she is slacking and all the flubs show it.
She still believes ALL the bones were together in the bag.

[ishkabibble]

ITA I don't think she ever counted on LE actually investigating. She was counting on them just taking her word for everything and treating her like a victim.

why wouldn't they accept her lies unchallenged. Her family did

[steffaroob4]

text messages (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/textmessagelog.pdf)


try this, they changed the link

these are new!!!!

[dgfred]

... and if she had everything she needed for Caylee, WHY would she need a key to the Anthony's house?

Because of course if she had a key, she would have been the one that broke into the Anthony's house and took the items found in the bag. :rolleyes:

[NYGalPal]

why wouldn't they accept her lies unchallenged. Her family did

Her family still are don't forget. They are still standing by her and all her lies.

[happy2bme]

You're correct, Lee spent 2 hours picking it up at Tony's apartment the night of the 15th of July.


Thanks, I knew he went to Tone's and got her things and probally "tampered":wink: with the laptop. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something if one was also found in the car.

[Babes]

Hey Babes, good to 'see' you!

I don't disagree with your thoughts, even though if you think about it Cindy was cutting off her nose to spite her face considering how irresponsible casey is, and with her being over 21....Cindy could have lost everything she owned because of casey's actions. But Cindy was probably so hell bent on keeping control, she didn't think of that possibility.

Likewise - good to see you too... It is nice to be back on the board

I agree with you... ... She 's in control - yes maybe - just like many women right now controlling their household specially when there are adult brats living in the house with no jobs and money but i dont think it never landed on her mind that Casey is capable of killing her daughter. Casey lied to them to the Maxxxxxxx...she lied about her jobs - nanny and everything else...Cindy - just like an ordinary citizen - is working, paying their bills - didnt expect this to happen and when it happened - she cant handle it ... IMO.

[?noanswer]

I agree. This is why I cringe at the thought of what Caylee would have been like growing up in that house under the influence of her mother and grandmother.

She might have ended up killing both of them! JMO

[Neffy]

I think she finds it very easy to lie because no one seems to have ever called her out on her lies. Maybe she didn't expect LE would call her on them either.


That type doesn't expect to be called out and are angered when they do. That's when they pull out the clam act. I'm not sure that she didn't expect it however I do think she thought she could handle by a) your not worth my time to tell anything else to since your giving me attitude or b) I wish I could help more then changing the subject.

[newsjunkie]

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.

Suffice it to say... I'll never tire of posting that particular exchange.

That made me laugh. I just thought of how my husband and practically every man somewhere near his age can just quote from Caddyshack and the other men will quote the next line. It's like they have the whole movie down.

I am just not like that. But what I can remember are things like you posted above.

In CXindy's interview with the FBI when she was pumping up Casey for "mother of the year" I lost track of the times Cindy kept saying Casey was alot like her.....perfect mom, values etc etc , it was gagging me to watch lol

[need2no]

LOL i got that - there was a post that laptop was found in a car - :sneaky:

I posted that, and now I'm feeling kinda dumb for doing so...because of course I knew casey was on the laptop when Cindy and Amy arrived at TonE's, and Lee went there to retrieve (and delete/cleanup) the laptop and casey's other belongings. Hmmmm...I guess I wasn't thinking about Lee when I read 'somewhere' that a laptop was found in casey's car, it just didn't even dawn on me at the time.

Tonight when I have more time I'm going to have to find this again, or it will drive me nuts.

Does anyone else recall mention of a laptop being found in casey's car?

[ishkabibble]

i also noticed greta didn't make it known that dr. Michael Baden is married to one of casey's defense attorneys.....

i wonder if there is professional jealousy/competition between the Badens? I notice he has made several remarks directly anti defense in this case. Perhaps he was not asked to participate along with the spouse?

[dgfred]

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.

Suffice it to say... I'll never tire of posting that particular exchange.

That made me laugh. I just thought of how my husband and practically every man somewhere near his age can just quote from Caddyshack and the other men will quote the next line. It's like they have the whole movie down.

I am just not like that. But what I can remember are things like you posted above.

My buddies and I do that with 'Tombstone' now. I think both Casey and Cindy knew exactly how to push the other one's buttons.

[steffaroob4]

text messages (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/textmessagelog.pdf)


try this, they changed the link

these are new!!!!


page 19, death cert. Eric B

[newsjunkie]

If there's at least 2 things I've learned when watching pretrial or the actual trial is...
1. do not under any circumstances pay attention to greta until the guilty verdict comes in.
2. Never listen to badan...either one of them...ever
I have more, henry lee included but we all know why that is...lol


We sure do !:glare:

[?noanswer]

Hi need2no - Long time no see....

I dont think anybody here would like to put their car's name on Casey's name either - or if they have a daughter that is acting like Casey at least -- :scared:

I would not have wanted KC driving a car that was registered to me. Reason being, if she had an accident, I would be the one who was sued. KC didn't seem to be that good of a driver - she ran upon a curb and ruined two tires.

I would have transferred it to her name even if I had to pay the ins. premiums. JMO

[Heyes]

ITA I don't think she ever counted on LE actually investigating. She was counting on them just taking her word for everything and treating her like a victim.

IIRC there is something casey said about zaneida taking Caylee at the stairs." Why do they want to know what happened after that"?
Casey must have thought that her story only needed to go as far as the stairs then LE would believe her and would no longer need any more info. From there it would only be a zanny investigation and casey would be free to be the "victim" she demands that she needs to be looked at as. Boy she's stupid.

[Ladyhawk]

2 hours picking up a laptop. Must've been a mighty heavy laptop! :sneaky:

It was....he had to delete quite a bit off it before it could be carried. :o

[?noanswer]

Hmmmm

where are the Links Masters here - Please verify this... TIA

I don't have a link, just my memory. Lee did go pick up the laptop at TonE's house. Took him over 2 hours to do it!! JMO

[Babes]

I posted that, and now I'm feeling kinda dumb for doing so...because of course I knew casey was on the laptop when Cindy and Amy arrived at TonE's, and Lee went there to retrieve (and delete/cleanup) the laptop and casey's other belongings. Hmmmm...I guess I wasn't thinking about Lee when I read 'somewhere' that a laptop was found in casey's car, it just didn't even dawn on me at the time.

Tonight when I have more time I'm going to have to find this again, or it will drive me nuts.

Does anyone else recall mention of a laptop being found in casey's car?

ill try to google it

[trich]

Originally Posted by WillowInFlight
ITA, I think Casey does believe her lies. I wonder when the last time she dealt with reality was.




I would say that was when Caylee was born.

[klock777]

If there's at least 2 things I've learned when watching pretrial or the actual trial is...
1. do not under any circumstances pay attention to greta until the guilty verdict comes in.
2. Never listen to badan...either one of them...ever
I have more, henry lee included but we all know why that is...lol

OMG - you're kidding right??? Greta is WAY more neutral in all cases. NG on the other hand is horrible - they are all guilty from the get go. I'm surprised NG can even get any guest on her show - she is so rude and hateful to them - ask them a question and if they do not answer EXACTLY how she wants them to answer - meaning same opinion as her - she is rude to them and interrupts. I'm surprised she has not been sued more than once. I did notice she was very hush hush and stood up for John Travolta when someone made a mere remark that it was odd that autopsy reports were released so quickly. She jumped all over them - maybe she was running scared of being sued by the Travoltas if she talked about them as she does everyone else. Plus she NEVER gets facts straight.
Greta is always open minded and looks at everything as a whole and acts as if she respects her guests opinions. She does not repeat rumors and doesn't state facts until they are known to be true.

[dgfred]

IIRC there is something casey said about zaneida taking Caylee at the stairs." Why do they want to know what happened after that"?
Casey must have thought that her story only needed to go as far as the stairs then LE would believe her and would no longer need any more info. From there it would only be a zanny investigation and casey would be free to be the "victim" she demands that she needs to be looked at as. Boy she's stupid.

Probably trying to explain away that she didn't know exactly what apartment zanny was in.

[BlueTurtle]

Two things, (in addition to your control suggestion), come to mind to explain why Cindy returned to work that day:

1) as usual, sticking her head in the sand...if she ignores the obvious perhaps it will work itself out

2) being the center of attention and getting empathy from her co-workers


If she has OCD, it might be a result of the anxiety of not going to work when she was scheduled that pushed her to go to work. She didn't know what else to do except what she had planned for the day.

[Neffy]

why wouldn't they accept her lies unchallenged. Her family did

I don't know? They do work for her. Somwhere along the line she lost control :)

[WillowInFlight]

"Oh, we're getting -- we get threats every day. We get written threats. We get threats on our home phone. We get threats on our cell phones. We get threats on our e-mail. So the threats are out there."--Cindy Anthony, 8/11/2008

Greta Transcript For 8/11/08 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html)

"I haven't been getting any threats! Again, Who said that? Did I come out and say that? Alright. What did I tell you guys weeks ago? If it doesn't come from the Sherriff's department or from my mouth, or my son's mouth, or my husband's mouth, should you believe it? Have I lied to any of you guys yet? Okay." --Cindy Anthony, Video, 8/29/2008

Cindy Anthony Lashes Out At The Media ~ 8/29 (http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html)

Thanks Sharkie.

[Mimi428]

Ya know what Willow, I don't think casey believes her lies. I'm pretty sure she knows exactly what she's spewing. What she can't wrap her mind around is why no one else is believing her lies......this time.
I agree with fellow posters. Lies have been coming out of her mouth (and cindy's) for years. Most people just walk away or ignore it. Now she's up against the FBI, the police, the public in general and it's not working. Bet that just pizzes her off.

I think you are right about that. I think she is fully capable of recognizing that she is not telling the truth.

SayWhat posted a link to a website the other day that is very informative for reading about real life experiences of people who live(d) with psychopaths & sociopaths - here...

http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/10/10/sociopathic-children-and-psychopathic-traits-during-childhood/

One of the posters at that site writes very specifically about how her son has(d) such an overwhelming drive to WIN. To come out on top, to get the best of every person in every situation & how the worst of his hatred towards her is related to the few times when he could not prevail over her.

To me, there is a difference in someone who wants to be the boss, the giver of rules - who likes to have things their way, wants people to do things the way they like them - & someone who perceives the entire world & everyone in it as being either weak or strong- & who is determined to never, ever be in the "weak" position.

I was thinking of Casey's behavior on the 8/14 video - how everything she said seemed to be in some way related to her fury at not being in a position to be on top.

JMO

[Babes]

It was....he had to delete quite a bit off it before it could be carried. :o


That is what the immunity for maybe - He destroyed possible computer postings/evidences. But he didnt know about the photobucket account - First thing came into his mind was MYSPACE AND FACEBOOK and her emails....IMO.

[Heyes]

OMG - you're kidding right??? Greta is WAY more neutral in all cases. NG on the other hand is horrible - they are all guilty from the get go. I'm surprised NG can even get any guest on her show - she is so rude and hateful to them - ask them a question and if they do not answer EXACTLY how she wants them to answer - meaning same opinion as her - she is rude to them and interrupts. I'm surprised she has not been sued more than once. I did notice she was very hush hush and stood up for John Travolta when someone made a mere remark that it was odd that autopsy reports were released so quickly. She jumped all over them - maybe she was running scared of being sued by the Travoltas if she talked about them as she does everyone else. Plus she NEVER gets facts straight.
Greta is always open minded and looks at everything as a whole and acts as if she respects her guests opinions. She does not repeat rumors and doesn't state facts until they are known to be true.

Nope not kidding.
she hasn't been getting many of the facts straight in this case yet. But I'll wait patiently.
I'm guessing you don't like Nancy? lol

[Jeepers]

Or one step further, when was the last time Casey actually told the complete truth about something. I think that Cindy asking her to look directly into her eyes at that jail visit, speaks volumes. "You know I needed you to do that" , says Cindy.

That was something to actually see, a mother telling her grown daughter to look directly into her eyes. Tells you exactly what a liar Casey really was before anything had happened to Caylee.
The last video we saw Casey was talking to Cindy about what kind of lesson was there to be learned.
So I guess in the house of Anthony growing up must have been a breeze. I can see my mother asking me to look into her eyes after I got up off the floor. The lesson I learned was not do that again. Plain and simple.

[Jester]

"Oh, we're getting -- we get threats every day. We get written threats. We get threats on our home phone. We get threats on our cell phones. We get threats on our e-mail. So the threats are out there."--Cindy Anthony, 8/11/2008

Greta Transcript For 8/11/08 (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html)

"I haven't been getting any threats! Again, Who said that? Did I come out and say that? Alright. What did I tell you guys weeks ago? If it doesn't come from the Sherriff's department or from my mouth, or my son's mouth, or my husband's mouth, should you believe it? Have I lied to any of you guys yet? Okay." --Cindy Anthony, Video, 8/29/2008

Cindy Anthony Lashes Out At The Media ~ 8/29 (http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html)

And right in the middle of those two claims, on August 14 during the visit with Casey, she claims they are getting threats. Casey claims she isn't.

[WillowInFlight]

And right in the middle of those two claims, on August 14 during the visit with Casey, she claims they are getting threats. Casey claims she isn't.

I thought that was a riot, Cindy tells Casey they are getting threats and Casey says, Oh really, I'm not. LOL

[need2no]

page 19, death cert. Eric B

Wonder why they blacked out the date of death? I noticed he was last age 18.

[Babes]

I thought that was a riot, Cindy tells Casey they are getting threats and Casey says, Oh really, I'm not. LOL

LOL -- :ohmy:

[Neffy]

Her family still are don't forget. They are still standing by her and all her lies.

:seeya:

Puts standing by her in a whole new light also since we've seen what her co-workers had to say.

[NYGalPal]

I thought that was a riot, Cindy tells Casey they are getting threats and Casey says, Oh really, I'm not. LOL

LOL it is hard not to laugh at this convo between those two.

[steffaroob4]

Wonder why they blacked out the date of death? I noticed he was last age 18.

All I have to say is, I believe this is another poor family the A's have dragged into this mess. Did you notice the race?

[Heyes]

I think you are right about that. I think she is fully capable of recognizing that she is not telling the truth.

SayWhat posted a link to a website the other day that is very informative for reading about real life experiences of people who live(d) with psychopaths & sociopaths - here...

http://www.lovefraud.com/blog/2008/10/10/sociopathic-children-and-psychopathic-traits-during-childhood/

One of the posters at that site writes very specifically about how her son has(d) such an overwhelming drive to WIN. To come out on top, to get the best of every person in every situation & how the worst of his hatred towards her is related to the few times when he could not prevail over her.

To me, there is a difference in someone who wants to be the boss, the giver of rules - who likes to have things their way, wants people to do things the way they like them - & someone who perceives the entire world & everyone in it as being either weak or strong- & who is determined to never, ever be in the "weak" position.

I was thinking of Casey's behavior on the 8/14 video - how everything she said seemed to be in some way related to her fury at not being in a position to be on top.

JMO

fascinating. I think that is right. casey thinks everyone else is weak or not very intelligent. She of course is smarter that even the police. Her parents have supported this belief obviously all her life. Just the fact that instead of demanding that casey talk to the police or FBI they seem to think that casey is smart enough to investigate this "disappearance" on her own. They acted like if they got any authorities involved that Caylee would be hurt or they would, but with Supercasey on the case they could maybe spare Caylee any harm from the loving kidnappers. All the while covering up Supercaseys actions and words. This is the most bizarre family I have ever seen. Here I thought the Petersons were awful. heh they are milk toast compared to these creatures. T

[?noanswer]

text messages (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/textmessagelog.pdf)


try this, they changed the link

these are new!!!!

There is a death certificate for an Eric P. Baker. He was born March '89 and killed in an auto accident May '07 (Just over 18 YO). Page 19, handwritten page 3080. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

LOL it is hard not to laugh at this convo between those two.

The thing I really noticed was that Cindy was very business like while George was disgustingly coddling.

[Jester]

I thought that was a riot, Cindy tells Casey they are getting threats and Casey says, Oh really, I'm not. LOL

Definitely ... did Casey actually think that her parents were getting threats because of something they did? If there were threats, they were related to Casey, but Casey couldn't see that. Rather than have concerns for her parents receiving threats because of her actions, she chooses to be contrary.

[NYGalPal]

:seeya:

Puts standing by her in a whole new light also since we've seen what her co-workers had to say.

Bet they are glad Cindy is no longer there.

I have a silly question that may have been asked. Why is Beaz keeping it a secret about how he is paid to represent Casey? What is the big deal?

[ishkabibble]

That was something to actually see, a mother telling her grown daughter to look directly into her eyes. Tells you exactly what a liar Casey really was before anything had happened to Caylee.
The last video we saw Casey was talking to Cindy about what kind of lesson was there to be learned.
So I guess in the house of Anthony growing up must have been a breeze. I can see my mother asking me to look into her eyes after I got up off the floor. The lesson I learned was not do that again. Plain and simple.

Are we related? are our mothers sisters? I was rude to my mother once on the phone when she called to ask me a question at work and for the rest of the day I was a little nervous she might show up in my office and deliver a smackdown right in front of my boss. My knees were knocking when I got home that night. Luckily i got my apology out quick enough and things were smoothed over. and I was well over 18 when that happened. So Casey's tricks would not have flown in mi casa.

[floridamom]

Wonder why they blacked out the date of death? I noticed he was last age 18.

At the bottom it says pronounced dead may 4, 2007 12:10 am

[Dogmatic]

Interesting text messages.

It seems that NO ONE knew about Zanny the Nanny.

Anthony tells her right away that he is going to help her and help the police. He wanted Caylee found.

[Jeepers]

LOL! It sure gives us alot of insight as to what is going on behind closed doors in that household. If Cindy was like this with Casey, you can just imagine what she would have been like with Caylee. I was appalled at the way Casey was using so much guilt and manipulation to get her parents to put up her bail, use the donation money for her bail and whatever, and then when they didn't, here comes the punishment. "The opportunity came and went and now it is too late. I can't help you. I have nothing." It's so revealing.

That is for certain. Casey could dole out some harsh punishment on everyone.
Not finishing high school when her parents thought everything was on track.
Stole money from her brother and if I remember correctly one of Lee's friends.
The birthday money her grandparents sent her. so ungrateful, knowing her grandfather was in Assisted Living Facility and money was tight. Stole their money.
Her uncle Rick knew even more of Casey's antics and expressed his disdain for the years of lies to Cindy and George.
Getting pregnant and not having enough about her to get a job and support her child. relying on others for that.
Borrowing Amy's car then stealing her money.
You did not have to even cross Casey for bad things to happen to you.The last video showed a little of her temper so I bet when you got her going she could really let you have it.
I think George & Cindy were actually afraid of her.

[NYGalPal]

The thing I really noticed was that Cindy was very business like while George was disgustingly coddling.

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewy!

[newsjunkie]

At the bottom it says pronounced dead may 4, 2007 12:10 am


Does anyone remember the story she told someone that he died in an accident on his way to Caylee's 2nd BD party? Hello that would be August! just another lie

[IM4Truth]

Wonder why they blacked out the date of death? I noticed he was last age 18.

I think I'm missing some links for the latest doc dump. I could only find about 167 pages. I didn't see this. Does anyone have the link to the text messages that someone was talking about last night where TonE texted Casey early on the 16th before she was arrested? (Isn't it time for a new thread?)

[ishkabibble]

There is a death certificate for an Eric P. Baker. He was born March '89 and killed in an auto accident May '07 (Just over 18 YO). Page 19, handwritten page 3080. JMO

odd, that makes him just over 16 when Caylee was born. From Kentucky, how would Casey meet him? Myabe she saw it on yahoo news and plucked it out to create a "story"

[steffaroob4]

At the bottom it says pronounced dead may 4, 2007 12:10 am

This doesn't make sense, he died in '07 at 18. When Caylee was concieved he would have been Nov/Dec of '04. This boy would have been 15 years old.

[NYGalPal]

Does anyone remember the story she told someone that he died in an accident on his way to Caylee's 2nd BD party? Hello that would be August! just another lie

Oh yeah!! Good reminder. This morning someone posted Casey said Caylee was the product of rape. I didn't buy that.

[ishkabibble]

This doesn't make sense, he died in '07 at 18. When Caylee was concieved he would have been Nov/Dec of '04. This boy would have been 15 years old.

I call BS!!!

[aubrey04]

***** new thread alert *****

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=348172

[Jester]

Bet they are glad Cindy is no longer there.

I have a silly question that may have been asked. Why is Beaz keeping it a secret about how he is paid to represent Casey? What is the big deal?

Do you (or anyone) know if she still on some sort of paid leave, dipping into the fund that is set aside for families with hardship, or is she out of a job?

[newsjunkie]

Oh yeah!! Good reminder. This morning someone posted Casey said Caylee was the product of rape. I didn't buy that.


she lies she lies she lies

personally I think she didn't have a clue who he is.

[need2no]

At the bottom it says pronounced dead may 4, 2007 12:10 am

Thanks, I missed it.... I need to log off so I was trying to scan through the docs quickly.

So much for my speed reading ability. :smile:

[daHawg]

i wonder if there is professional jealousy/competition between the Badens? I notice he has made several remarks directly anti defense in this case. Perhaps he was not asked to participate along with the spouse?I don't buy anything either Dr. Michael Baden (who says in his bio) that he has performed over 20,000 medico-legal autopsies during his 45 years of being a medical examiner which even if you call it 20k and give him working every single day of the year without a day of for 45 yrs straight that makes 1.217 autopsies a day for him to do. (Not counting clinical autopsies.) It goes up from there when you factor in any days off....:rolleyes: Nor do I believe Ms. Linda B. Kenney who rides the "forensic" coattails of her hubby. Going to need a huge box of salt when and if she is at the trial. IMO.

http://www.randomhouse.com/kvpa/badenkenney/

[Neffy]

The thing I really noticed was that Cindy was very business like while George was disgustingly coddling.

http://www.security-forces.com/career/career.html

Yes considering the tough workforce he deals with you think George would be just as tough.

:scared:

[missinglink]

There is a death certificate for an Eric P. Baker. He was born March '89 and killed in an auto accident May '07 (Just over 18 YO). Page 19, handwritten page 3080. JMO

There's an "Eric F. Baker", not middle initial P., in the social security death index that was born on March 8, 1989 and died on May 4, 2007. His social security card was issued in Ohio. If someone has Ancestry.com, I believe his obituary might be obtainable if it's the sameone I'm seeing. (From a Kentucky newspaper)

[ishkabibble]

Who put him in charge of this job? He is so arrogant it isn't even funny. He does not take after his father, Cindy or Casey. What makes him so arrogant that he can march over to the house, grab the computer and start cleaning it. And not think that the forensic experts would be able to access traces on the sectors. They have such sophisticated tools, and this clown is playing "one up the Feds"???? What about it!

if you listen to her in her videos from jail, she is even attempting to control the Sheriff's office by acting a certain way.

[RiverWalk]

Wonder why they blacked out the date of death? I noticed he was last age 18.

And notice is says "never married". Cindy said he was married and had other children. All the lies.

[Jeepers]

Are we related? are our mothers sisters? I was rude to my mother once on the phone when she called to ask me a question at work and for the rest of the day I was a little nervous she might show up in my office and deliver a smackdown right in front of my boss. My knees were knocking when I got home that night. Luckily i got my apology out quick enough and things were smoothed over. and I was well over 18 when that happened. So Casey's tricks would not have flown in mi casa.

Not to her face of course but, cousins call her little Hitler. She is 4ft 6" and full of it. A lot of fun and a heart bigger than the sky,but don't cross her she can pull a thunder storm outta her .... in a New York minute. Casey would not have lasted 5 seconds before she would be getting up from the smack down.
They might be twins separated at birth.
I bet Casey is shocked that no one is believing her lies and calling her on it. She is so use to Cindy letting her slide.
I guess that is why she is in jail and I'm not.

[FoxySly]

Cindy Anthony: You're a lot like me.

Casey Anthony: I'm a lot like you. You're exactly right.

Suffice it to say... I'll never tire of posting that particular exchange.

Yup, me either. That is maybe the only time they both told the truth IMO.

Sly

[Mimi428]

The thing I really noticed was that Cindy was very business like while George was disgustingly coddling.

Yeah, he had the Eddie Haskell persona working overtime that day, didn't he?

After reading the reports from the interviews with Cindy's co-workers - & finding out that Cindy related to them that Casey apparently yelled at George as much as she yelled at George, I thought again about her (Casey's) behavior on the 8/14 video - where she says she wants a one-on-one visit - but not with her mom, because she will not let her talk. And not with her brother, because he questions her too much. Then she turns it to her groveling dad, maybe HE will be the worthy recipient.

Whew, talk about shove in the knife & twist it. In one fell swoop, she let them know who was on top, didn't she?