Thursday January 22nd - Part 1

[Jeepers]

I'm sure it can be tracked down to the company that makes the stickers too. If they can find any other sticker from the same sheet or scrapbooking "kit" in the house, OR a credit card purchase of the same, then it will be one more link to Casey. I can "see" explaining some of the evidence as being an attempt by "the nanny" to frame Casey, but at some point it gets ludicrous to ask the jury to believe that this person no only loved Caylee so much she provided for her, took her on holidays, kept her for days on end, and stole her from her mother...BUT also murdered her, and spent HOURS searching through things in the Anthony household that couls be used to frame Casey.
I think any juror with a lick of sense would wonde why "Zanny" would hang around in a house she had no business in, a house the neighbors would SURELY notice she didn't live in OR belong in when no one was home, and find multiple things to leave with Caylee to frame Casey. It's too big a stetch IMO, one or two things sure...but not the sticker, the bags, the blanket, and so on.
JMO.

I agree and if the kidnapper loved Caylee so much why would she look for stickers and not take her baby doll. Just so over the top!

[msgatorslayer]

Can dog hair be traced to a specific dog using DNA? If not a DNA test, are there are tests that could be used?
JMO

Sure can. It was used in the Danielle Van Dam case. Actual doggy DNA. Yep, you bet!

[margaritaville]

My bolding. I really don't think this was a loving family or environment for a child. I don't think Cindy is the doting kind. I just don't see how Cindy could tell Casey that Caylee was her best mistake. How can anyone refer to a child as a mistake and claim to be a loving grandmother? I just don't think a loving grandmother has it in her to tell her daughters friends what a sociapath she is. Cindy's behavior prior to all of this and after it started until now just does now present itself as a loving person.


But I don't think Cindy complaining about always having Caylee means she wasn't a loving Gma...
I think it means she was tired of being used by Casey. Tired of always being taken advantage of.
Cindy stating Caylee was Casey's best mistake, well, you are right no child is ever a mistake. I feel also that was a bad choice of wording. But I think we all know what she meant by that.. Caylee was the best thing Casey ever did......even if she didn't plan it.........

I think it is very hard to think of Cindy as a loving person because we have always seen such a harsh side of her.
I bet she was totally different prior to all of this.

IMHO

[Dunlurken]

To me that means that the shovel came in contact with the deceased Caylee. I think that the other poster above, who was talking about the possibility that Casey tried to bury Caylee in the yard (where the dogs hit) might be on to something.

Tried, but did not succeed would be my guess. Therefore, the driving around with the body in the trunk. JMO.

[Anakerie]

From what I heard, the sticker was on the duct tape over the mouth. Not out in the wilderness. JMO. (But I was absent yesterday!)
The sticker itself wasn't on the duct tape. They found the residue of the heart shaped sticker on the tape, the heart shaped "sticker" (or what was left of it) was found nearby.

IMO, the heart shaped "sticker" could have been accidentally dragged out of the bag by an animal that was "scavenging" the remains. (Ugh.. That is so hard to even contemplate....)

[?noanswer]

From what I understand Caylee's DNA profile alone would show that she was the product of incest.

I'm not trying to suggest anything about who Caylee's father was, but do have a question.

If a Grandfather on the mother's side of his the father of the grandchild, would DNA determine if he was the father of his grandchild. In other words, since the mother would have her father's DNA, would not the grandchild have gotten the grandfather's DNA from the mother. In the absence of any other DNA beside the mother & grandfater, would that determine the GF was the dad of the grandchild? Or would the test be determined inconcluvise? I don't know if I presented the question in a way that it can be understood, but I started thinking about it. I remember a long time ago there was a song titled "I am my own grandpa". It was quite complicated the way it was explained in the song. JMO

[Dunlurken]

I agree and if the kidnapper loved Caylee so much why would she look for stickers and not take her baby doll. Just so over the top!

Someone, aka Casey, is one sick puppy! JMO. I think we all know there was no kidnapper.

[ishkabibble]

Wow iI remember her saying that..

Casey mentions "love" a lot, look at her texts to Amy and remember her call home from jail, when Christine was crying about Caylee and Casey's response was "YOu know I love you, I wouldn't let anything happen to her" then later she mentioned her call was a " Big Waste"

Casey's statements about love or affection seem sort of shallow when you look at the way she treated those she professed to "love"

[Mimi428]

I cant believe Ricardo thinks something that says Win her over....with chloroform is funny.

To me its degrading to women. I am so glad I dont live near any of these people, I find them creepy.

You & me both. That's one of those things that when you hear about it, you want to ask him what his mother & sister's opinion was of it.

Ugh.

[aubrey04]

Morning all! DNA in the form of a 1/4 inch piece of hair. JMO.

Page 17 - 21 - the hair on the shovel did not match Casey's hair or Caylee's hair.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530394/detail.html

[Heyes]

I think it would be fun for her to do it.
If one of mine ran out of gas they know Dad would help them out but, it would not be something they would want to repeat on a frequent basis. My DH gets long winded when he reprimands. Getting gas cans out our garage without permission and then letting the F bombs fly.. Never would happen unless they wanted to
end up like little Petey.:w00t:
That whole gas can thing isn't right. I'm confused on one point. George started the whole thing by calling the police. Then when casey shows up he wants those wedge things. Then casey rudely shoves the gas cans at him. What was that all about and what about the wedge thingys? Does any of that story make a lick of sense to anyone. Not to mention, who screws these wedge thingys down in their car? What is he talking about and what is he covering up? There is a reason he felt complelled to come up with this story, what is that reason?

[Dunlurken]

The sticker itself wasn't on the duct tape. They found the residue of the heart shaped sticker on the tape, the heart shaped "sticker" (or what was left of it) was found nearby.

IMO, the heart shaped "sticker" could have been accidentally dragged out of the bag by an animal that was "scavenging" the remains. (Ugh.. That is so hard to even contemplate....)

Thank you for splaining. So, the glue, in the form of a heart was on the duct tape and the actual "paper" was found elsewhere. Okay, got it.

[aubrey04]

From what I heard, the sticker was on the duct tape over the mouth. Not out in the wilderness. JMO. (But I was absent yesterday!)

There was residue from the sticker on the duct tape in a heart shape. The actual sticker was among the evidence collected from the woods. It wasn't adhered to the duct tape anymore when LE found the body.

jmo

[Heyes]

Yes.

At the end of the documents it states: DNA Parentage Report (Item K-1)

Look three lines above that & you will see that Item K1 refers to Casey Anthony's buccal sample.

The 'DNA Parentage Report' established definitive parenthood for Casey.

I was hoping they would do that. I felt that it would be common sense to try to locate the father in this poor baby's murder.

[Dogmatic]

I was confused yesterday about the heart sticker. Because the reports don't specify where exactly they found the actual heart sticker. Some of the nice folks here clarified that the heart sticker was found inside the bag most likely because I had questions as to how a heart sticker could have been dropped somewhere outside the bag and still be able to survive the Tropical Storm, heavy rains and winds. So the heart was inside the bag, that makes sense.

When I was watching NG last night, the red head gal was talking about this and said that the heart was not inside the bag, but that after the sticky substance was detected on the tape, the police went back to the area and located the actual sticker. So now I am back to being confused. Was the sticker in or out of the bag and if out, then how did it manage to survive the hurricane?

I'm not dubbing myself the "sticker expert", but having had many "little visitors" in my home over the years, here is what I have gleened from the experience.

1. Some stickers are made of thin paper with a not-so-sticky adhesive.

2. Most stickers seem to be made of a durable foil type almost plastic in nature material. These little jewels will probably outlive me. Not only is their adhesive like super-glue, but the sticker itself, once seperated from the adhesive doesn't just dissolve in water.

Not to bore anyone with a lengthy report, but I thought my dog was dying one day as he was wretching and choking, and upon further examination, I found one of those nasty little stickers located on the back of his tongue. After removing it, it was still in fine shape.

I'm guessing, as it relates to this case, that the sticker in question is not of the flimsy paper variety, but one of those other kind.

[AnnInOhio]

Thank you for splaining. So, the glue, in the form of a heart was on the duct tape and the actual "paper" was found elsewhere. Okay, got it.

I was surprised - and disappointed - that the report didn't indicate seeing any fingerprints on the duct tape. I hope I just missed it.

[Dunlurken]

Page 17 - 21 - the hair on the shovel did not match Casey's hair or Caylee's hair.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530394/detail.html
Sorry, I'm missing it. I don't see a reference to the shovel. Just the trunk. JMO.

ETA: OOPS! I found it. Thanks.

[RiverWalk]

Maybe Florida has their own version of tropical storms. Where I live, and I am right on the water, even during just a heavy rain and thunderstorm, no piece of paper survives out in the lawn. I mean, it was a piece of paper that weighed nothing. I just can't wrap my mind around heavy rains and winds and a tiny itsy bitsy sticker out laying in the grass and leaves not getting blown away or disintegrating under heavy rainwater.

Caylee's body was in a heavily, heavily woody area. Tall pines trees, low growing palmetto fronds, kudzu and other woodland growth forming a thick undergrowth that protected the site. NOT like a lawn out in the open.

[OneUp]

Casey mentions "love" a lot, look at her texts to Amy and remember her call home from jail, when Christine was crying about Caylee and Casey's response was "YOu know I love you, I wouldn't let anything happen to her" then later she mentioned her call was a " Big Waste"

Casey's statements about love or affection seem sort of shallow when you look at the way she treated those she professed to "love"I think that throwing around words like love" is typical of shallow people in general, manipulative people in particular.
I don't say "love" in regards to many things or people, because it is a word that has great value and weight in my mind. It drives me nuts to hear my daughters friends saying "luv ya" to any and everyone...teenagers! They LIKE the drama and are all emotional though of course...because they ARE teenagers!.
We've discussed before how arressted in her development Casey seems to be. She acts like an eighth grader IMO. Inappropriately giggly, getting constant crushes, she always has a "BFF" ( tho. most of them and her "true loves" as people she has only recently met and doesn't "know" well at all), either "Loves" or Hates" everything ( extremes), fixated on her appearance and on impressing people, etc.
JMO.

[ishkabibble]

TS Faye did not consume anything. It just gets everthing wet and maybe blown around....unless it was in a heavily wooded area where it would be some what protected from the wind.

I don't think they went back to find the sticker, I believe it was collected along with a lot of other evidence and debris that was at that location. the significance of the sticker became evident when the adhesive outline was discovered. ONce the lab told them they found the outline of a heart in some type of adhesive, I'm sure they went thru everything they had collected at the scene and located the sticker.

[RiverWalk]

I was surprised - and disappointed - that the report didn't indicate seeing any fingerprints on the duct tape. I hope I just missed it.

None of that evidence has been released YET.

[Jeepers]

Someone, aka Casey, is one sick puppy! JMO. I think we all know there was no kidnapper.

Dunlurken, I agree she is twisted. She is evil in the flesh.

[margaritaville]

That whole gas can thing isn't right. I'm confused on one point. George started the whole thing by calling the police. Then when casey shows up he wants those wedge things. Then casey rudely shoves the gas cans at him. What was that all about and what about the wedge thingys? Does any of that story make a lick of sense to anyone. Not to mention, who screws these wedge thingys down in their car? What is he talking about and what is he covering up? There is a reason he felt complelled to come up with this story, what is that reason?


I think the whole reason for that was to tell the police he thought Casey was hiding something in her trunk that she didn't want him to see. IMHO

she rushed to get to the trunk before him..Made it look like it was the gas cans that she didn't want him to see....And then sped off in the car...

I think Caylee was in the trunk. I think George thinks Caylee was in the trunk. but he can't say that because he never saw her in the trunk.

IMHO-- I think George is tired of covering for Casey. I think that is why he said this to LE. And I think it is why we saw different side of GA when he was talking to the FBI. He doesn't want to go down for anything. He wants to come across as forthcoming as possible.

IMHO

[klock777]

That whole gas can thing isn't right. I'm confused on one point. George started the whole thing by calling the police. Then when casey shows up he wants those wedge things. Then casey rudely shoves the gas cans at him. What was that all about and what about the wedge thingys? Does any of that story make a lick of sense to anyone. Not to mention, who screws these wedge thingys down in their car? What is he talking about and what is he covering up? There is a reason he felt complelled to come up with this story, what is that reason?

GA said after he had reported them stolen-he started wondering if KC took the cans and suspected they werein the trunk, so he used the excuse of the tire wedges to getinto the trunk, but KC stopped him- said she would get them and then that's when she beat him to the trunk and said here's your f-in cans. He reported no smell from where he stood and that he saw a laundry tub, which is what he saw her take the cans out of.

[aubrey04]

Sorry, I'm missing it. I don't see a reference to the shovel. Just the trunk. JMO.

ETA: OOPS! I found it. Thanks.

NP.. :seeya: That would have been great to have Caylee's DNA on the shovel to really tie Casey to this, but that's not the case. I am pretty sure that Casey cleaned that shovel off after she used it though, as Brian Burner said it was pretty clean when she returned it.

jmo

[OneUp]

I don't think they went back to find the sticker, I believe it was collected along with a lot of other evidence and debris that was at that location. the significance of the sticker became evident when the adhesive outline was discovered. ONce the lab told them they found the outline of a heart in some type of adhesive, I'm sure they went thru everything they had collected at the scene and located the sticker.You aer correct. I KNOW they sifted through the dirt at the scene, literally....it was about an acre of area if I recall correctly...and I think they took the time to scour every inch of it, thus the time and manpower that was used which was necessary to do a through job.
The shots I saw of the scene looked just like the site of an archaeological dig.
JMO.

[aubrey04]

I was surprised - and disappointed - that the report didn't indicate seeing any fingerprints on the duct tape. I hope I just missed it.

There was a latent fingerprint found on the duct tape. The FBI has yet to release any info on whether that latent fingerprint was able to be matched up... but a fingerprint was found, IIRC.

[Balesha]

I was hoping they would do that. I felt that it would be common sense to try to locate the father in this poor baby's murder.


Does this mean they know who the baby's father is??

[WillowInFlight]

But I don't think Cindy complaining about always having Caylee means she wasn't a loving Gma...
I think it means she was tired of being used by Casey. Tired of always being taken advantage of.
Cindy stating Caylee was Casey's best mistake, well, you are right no child is ever a mistake. I feel also that was a bad choice of wording. But I think we all know what she meant by that.. Caylee was the best thing Casey ever did......even if she didn't plan it.........

I think it is very hard to think of Cindy as a loving person because we have always seen such a harsh side of her.
I bet she was totally different prior to all of this.

IMHO

Great post, and ITA

[farrahrani]

My girlfriend when she moved to Fla. she got everything. They helped her with her rent, she was living with her 68yo mom. They gave her food stamps, she could go to the Dr. .....

Yes, and your gf had proven expenses most likely. Rent, groceries, utilities, phone, car payments or other transportation, etc.

I could have gotten food stamps when my children were young, I was married and my husband was supporting me. However you have to prove you are going out and looking for work a certain number of times, and they gave me forms to fill out with blanks for my interviewers name and contact number. I could have gotten lots of benefits because we had high expenses and my ex didn't make much, and we had all the bills to prove it.

However, my children were shown to have behavioral problems as well as their speech and deveolpmental disabilities, and were unable to speak to express themselves, so we were reluctant to leave them with strangers if they could not tell us if something wasn't right, so we just received the medicaid.


Yes, you can receive benefits if you live with your family, I wasn't trying to say otherwise. You just need to show that you are either working or looking for work and prove that you have expenses that leave you in need. Casey had none cause her family covered everything, and did not make her shell out a dime for her rent or anything.

[steffaroob4]

Trash bag from vehicle (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/evidence%20reports.pdf)
items collected: page 46
maggots
pups

what are pups???


OMGoodness, page 49
I never knew that 11/13 was the date of LP's great bones find at Jay Blanchard park. How long did the news cover that story that day? LP has some nerve thinking he is always right.

[marshmallow]

I'm not dubbing myself the "sticker expert", but having had many "little visitors" in my home over the years, here is what I have gleened from the experience.

1. Some stickers are made of thin paper with a not-so-sticky adhesive.

2. Most stickers seem to be made of a durable foil type almost plastic in nature material. These little jewels will probably outlive me. Not only is their adhesive like super-glue, but the sticker itself, once seperated from the adhesive doesn't just dissolve in water.

Not to bore anyone with a lengthy report, but I thought my dog was dying one day as he was wretching and choking, and upon further examination, I found one of those nasty little stickers located on the back of his tongue. After removing it, it was still in fine shape.

I'm guessing, as it relates to this case, that the sticker in question is not of the flimsy paper variety, but one of those other kind.



last night while I was shopping it popped into my head that, too many times to count, I've found intact stickers in the washing machine. They weren't stuck to their original spot but they made it through all the cycles without tearing or turning into mush balls.

[WillowInFlight]

The question I would like to ask is, why do some people want so badly to see this family's outrageous behaviour as being denial? Cindy and George go around the nation appearing on network tv shows telling, ahem, stories, changing stories, talking nonsense about a live Caylee being sighted here, there and everywhere, telling everyone about what a good mother Casey was and Zanny kidnapping the baby, all of which they clearly know to be lies.

IMO that is a continuing pattern of attempting to cover up a murder to save their precious PPOF. :cursing:

I don't believe that Cindy and George were ever in denial. I think that they both know and have known what Casey is capable of.

[AnnInOhio]

None of that evidence has been released YET.

I would think a fingerprint on the sticky side of duct tape would be as visible as the glue residue from the sticker. Why would LE mention only the heart sticker and not a fingerprint in documents that would be released to the public? They wouldn't have to acknowledge whose fingerprint, but I've touched the sticky side of duct tape before and a fingerprint, if its there, is immediately visible.

[Janz]

There was a latent fingerprint found on the duct tape. The FBI has yet to release any info on whether that latent fingerprint was able to be matched up... but a fingerprint was found, IIRC.

Thanks Aubrey for confirming what I thought to be true. Just something the FBI is holding close to the vest.

[Jeepers]

They should go back to the nursing home where PopPop is and start asking some of the workers there if any of them gave Caylee these stickers or perhaps a lollipop with the stickers attached to the cellophane. We have a candy shop here that specializes in homemade lollipops and candy apples. They put tiny stickers on the cellophane wrapping with that curleyQ ribbon. I have a hunch that someone from there gave them to her to keep her occupied during her visit.

That would be a good thought. Drs office and places like that always have kid stickers laying around.
I know that Casey made bead bracelets. Cindy seemed to be into crafts also, she told Greta that she made a picture for Casey's baby shower present. It was on the wall and had Caylee's birth certificate and pictures of Caylee when she was brought home from the hospital. It was nicely done.
I bet they had all kind of stickers laying around for crafts and for Caylee to play with at home too.
I love them candy apples.:tonguewag: I love shops like, that fun to go in.

[Mimi428]

This is exactly why I have been saying for months now that I feel Casey suffers from some kind of split personality. Because of the very thing you just said about not realizing that she is lying. I think this is a very strong possibility although there are some here who just would never consider the possibility. I do, though.


Have you figured out a reasonable explanation for why she does not manifest symptoms of MPD/DID? Where do you see confusion in any of what she says or does? People who are dissociative struggle with that a lot (& it is easy to understand why). We don't see her grasping, we don't see her saying she can't remember, she is fuzzy in her recollections. She does not meet the diagnostic criteria if she does not have symptoms like that.

If she was dissociative, you would not see her demonstrating speed in altering whatever she chooses to say, to fit what the person in front of her is asking her. Being a glib, blithe, fast liar is not an indication of MPD/DID.

JMO

[AnnInOhio]

Trash bag from vehicle (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/evidence%20reports.pdf)
items collected:
maggots
pups

what are pups???

I believe that was "pupa", one of the stages of larva. I initially thought the same thing when I read it.

[WillowInFlight]

Thanks Aubrey for confirming what I thought to be true. Just something the FBI is holding close to the vest.

Does the state have to release all the evidence they have to the defense?

[Dogmatic]

There was a latent fingerprint found on the duct tape. The FBI has yet to release any info on whether that latent fingerprint was able to be matched up... but a fingerprint was found, IIRC.


That would be VERY interesting information to know. If, by chance, it matches Casey, time for Jose' to have a heart to heart with "his girl".

By the way, Jose', if you want people to treat you with respect and professionalism, you might want to start by acting the part yourself. Calling your client "my girl" and escorting her through a crowd with your arm around while she leans into you whispering in your ear doesn't bode well with the viewer interpretation.

[AlohaRainbow]

I just spoke with Mr. G on the phone. He said Bubba the Love Sponge was talking about the case this morning on the radio and he's blaming the kidnap/ murder on the band "Heart":tonguewag:

well then!
that certainly explains the drum set in zanni's apt... zanni is a drummer for the band "heart" :ohmy:

[Dunlurken]

I don't believe that Cindy and George were ever in denial. I think that they both know and have known what Casey is capable of.

Then how could they have prevented this tragedy if they had one inkling what Casey was capable of? She didn't kill small animals or take the wings off of flies, etc. Grand parents have no rights. All you can do is coddle the perpetrator and pray to God nothing really bad happens. What else could they have done?

Throw soft pillows please!

[Jeepers]

I posted this earlier this a.m. Nothing was said about the book found at the scene in the docs from yesterday. That was talk here awhile back, I was hoping to see something from that. Nothing was mentioned about the pesticide cans they took unless it fell category that just was not spelled out clearly.
I thought we were suppose to see the search warrant list that showed actual items removed from A's home.
Am I wrong in my thinking?

[AnnInOhio]

There was a latent fingerprint found on the duct tape. The FBI has yet to release any info on whether that latent fingerprint was able to be matched up... but a fingerprint was found, IIRC.

Maybe I missed it (there was a LOT of reading involved), but I don't recall seeing mention of fingerprints on the duct tape in the document dump.

[Dunlurken]

Does the state have to release all the evidence they have to the defense?

Yes. Called discovery. Both sides have to release it before it goes to trial, which could be a long time coming. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I posted this earlier this a.m. Nothing was said about the book found at the scene in the docs from yesterday. That was talk here awhile back, I was hoping to see something from that. Nothing was mentioned about the pesticide cans they took unless it fell category that just was not spelled out clearly.
I thought we were suppose to see the search warrant list that showed actual items removed from A's home.
Am I wrong in my thinking?

I think we determined the book was not relevant. Wasn't "weathered" enough to be Caylee's. JMO.

[Janz]

I posted this earlier this a.m. Nothing was said about the book found at the scene in the docs from yesterday. That was talk here awhile back, I was hoping to see something from that. Nothing was mentioned about the pesticide cans they took unless it fell category that just was not spelled out clearly.
I thought we were suppose to see the search warrant list that showed actual items removed from A's home.
Am I wrong in my thinking?

From the snippets I have been able to read, they are not releasing at this time anything about any items removed from the Ant home.

[Heyes]

I think the whole reason for that was to tell the police he thought Casey was hiding something in her trunk that she didn't want him to see. IMHO

she rushed to get to the trunk before him..Made it look like it was the gas cans that she didn't want him to see....And then sped off in the car...

I think Caylee was in the trunk. I think George thinks Caylee was in the trunk. but he can't say that because he never saw her in the trunk.

IMHO-- I think George is tired of covering for Casey. I think that is why he said this to LE. And I think it is why we saw different side of GA when he was talking to the FBI. He doesn't want to go down for anything. He wants to come across as forthcoming as possible.

IMHO

George seems to be playing both sides of the fence. The one thing he makes sure not to do is to give any information. He throws LE a bone and then goes home and changes his story. I don't trust that guy as far as I can throw him.

[Dogmatic]

last night while I was shopping it popped into my head that, too many times to count, I've found intact stickers in the washing machine. They weren't stuck to their original spot but they made it through all the cycles without tearing or turning into mush balls.


Exactly! I think when we picture this sticker in question, we must picture one of the very durable ones. Most are water-proof.

[Dunlurken]

George seems to be playing both sides of the fence. The one thing he makes sure not to do is to give any information. He throws LE a bone and then goes home and changes his story. I don't trust that guy as far as I can throw him.

Me neither. He's former LE so he knows how to manipulate the system. JMO.

[read-in]

I was just thinking about the soil samples; ( nobody laugh at me ok?)
If i remember correctly, many soil samples taken from car.. ok.. then, after caylee was found, they went back and took soil from the backyard. in the docs yestarday, LE was reporting on disturbed soil??
ok, so, im thinking... maybe possible... laundry bag had soil on it, or in it.also, then placed in plastic bag, which may have had soil...my guess is that all soil will be tested to see if bag or bags, went from backyard, to casye's car, to final resting place... I watch to much CSI.. i dont think that LE will leave any stone or ''PAVER" UN-TURNED...
I might need more coffee...

[steffaroob4]

I believe that was "pupa", one of the stages of larva. I initially thought the same thing when I read it.

LOL, I bet you are correct, my old eyes don't like this reports.
Thanks

[Cury-us Coyote]

Text Messages Logs Released (59 Pages)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/evidence%20reports.pdf

[Heyes]

GA said after he had reported them stolen-he started wondering if KC took the cans and suspected they werein the trunk, so he used the excuse of the tire wedges to getinto the trunk, but KC stopped him- said she would get them and then that's when she beat him to the trunk and said here's your f-in cans. He reported no smell from where he stood and that he saw a laundry tub, which is what he saw her take the cans out of.

Thank you,
I just don't buy much of it.
Sumthink wong!

[AlohaRainbow]

This is exactly why I have been saying for months now that I feel Casey suffers from some kind of split personality. Because of the very thing you just said about not realizing that she is lying. I think this is a very strong possibility although there are some here who just would never consider the possibility. I do, though.
imo, based on the behavioral evidence, casey knew she was lying. if she didn't, why/how would she have stopped in the middle of the hall on the way to her "office" at univ studos? she even admitted to LE that everything she had told them was lies.

i would think that if she had a "split personality" (as in multiple personalities), she would have stopped and displayed some "confusion" at univ studios... sort of like... huh? i can't seem to find my office... it's supposed to be here, at the end of the hall...

no one that i know of has ever said casey had blackout/gaps in her memory, or was ever "confused" about something that others told her had happened.

[WillowInFlight]

I think we determined the book was not relevant. Wasn't "weathered" enough to be Caylee's. JMO.

I wish you wouldn't speak for all of us, If that was Caylee's book I would say it's pretty relevant.

[OneUp]

Have you figured out a reasonable explanation for why she does not manifest symptoms of MPD/DID? Where do you see confusion in any of what she says or does? People who are dissociative struggle with that a lot (& it is easy to understand why). We don't see her grasping, we don't see her saying she can't remember, she is fuzzy in her recollections. She does not meet the diagnostic criteria if she does not have symptoms like that.

If she was dissociative, you would not see her demonstrating speed in altering whatever she chooses to say, to fit what the person in front of her is asking her. Being a glib, blithe, fast liar is not an indication of MPD/DID.

JMO

TY Mimi! I agree, that IMO, Casey demonstrates not a single sign that she suffers from DID. I could be wrong...it's not like we have total access to her actions, etc. But nothing in her words, her actions, OR the statements of others lends weight to that belief.
It's getting a little old recounting the many things that "prove" that Casey is far to aware of and manipulative in every aspect of her life to suffer from the VERY RARE DID diagnosis.
...Her ex-boyfriend saying she was "like a different person" than the one he knew means nothing. There is always SOMEONE around who says that about criminals, esp. murderers. I doubt most of us seriously think the people we know and intimately associate with are capable of murder. If I suspected any such thing of a friend/family memeber, I'd remove myself from their company posthaste!
JMO.

[AnnInOhio]

Then how could they have prevented this tragedy if they had one inkling what Casey was capable of? She didn't kill small animals or take the wings off of flies, etc. Grand parents have no rights. All you can do is coddle the perpetrator and pray to God nothing really bad happens. What else could they have done?

Throw soft pillows please!

Maybe filed theft charges for all Casey's thefts to teach her accountabilty? Maybe work with Casey to develop a "leaving the nest" and self-sufficiency development plan and timetable? Casey wasn't a minor when she became pregnant with Caylee; parents do not have to coddle their adult children unless they expect their grandchilden to fulfill their own emotional needs. JMO.

[Dogmatic]

Then how could they have prevented this tragedy if they had one inkling what Casey was capable of? She didn't kill small animals or take the wings off of flies, etc. Grand parents have no rights. All you can do is coddle the perpetrator and pray to God nothing really bad happens. What else could they have done?

Throw soft pillows please!


Quite frankly, there is not one thing they could have done. Casey would have voluntarily had to have given up Caylee. Dragging your toddler to adult parties and spendovers with multiple men and calling her a snothead simply does not qualify as reasons for a child to be taken away from a parent.
They put children back in homes that have been beaten and sexually assaulted while the parents get "counseling".

Basically, a childs' rights begin when they are placed in a body bag. (That's my opinion)

[Dunlurken]

God only knows what little Caylee witnessed and may have told Cindy.


snipping to address: I have a very bright 3 year old grand daughter. And I can't get much out of her YET! :angry:

[ishkabibble]

You aer correct. I KNOW they sifted through the dirt at the scene, literally....it was about an acre of area if I recall correctly...and I think they took the time to scour every inch of it, thus the time and manpower that was used which was necessary to do a through job.
The shots I saw of the scene looked just like the site of an archaeological dig.
JMO.

A lot of the stuff they found will probably have nothing to do with the case, it's just trash but that sticker is the reason the collect everything!

[WillowInFlight]

George seems to be playing both sides of the fence. The one thing he makes sure not to do is to give any information. He throws LE a bone and then goes home and changes his story. I don't trust that guy as far as I can throw him.

I don't either, He showed his true colors when he was on LKL.

[Elle]

But I don't think Cindy complaining about always having Caylee means she wasn't a loving Gma...
I think it means she was tired of being used by Casey. Tired of always being taken advantage of.
Cindy stating Caylee was Casey's best mistake, well, you are right no child is ever a mistake. I feel also that was a bad choice of wording. But I think we all know what she meant by that.. Caylee was the best thing Casey ever did......even if she didn't plan it.........

I think it is very hard to think of Cindy as a loving person because we have always seen such a harsh side of her.
I bet she was totally different prior to all of this.

IMHO


I agree with everything you wrote.

[Janz]

I was just thinking about the soil samples; ( nobody laugh at me ok?)
If i remember correctly, many soil samples taken from car.. ok.. then, after caylee was found, they went back and took soil from the backyard. in the docs yestarday, LE was reporting on disturbed soil??
ok, so, im thinking... maybe possible... laundry bag had soil on it, or in it.also, then placed in plastic bag, which may have had soil...my guess is that all soil will be tested to see if bag or bags, went from backyard, to casye's car, to final resting place... I watch to much CSI.. i dont think that LE will leave any stone or ''PAVER" UN-TURNED...
I might need more coffee...

Nah, you can`t watch too much CSI. I think you are right, looks to me like LE there has done a very good job in the collection of evidence.

[AlohaRainbow]

Have you figured out a reasonable explanation for why she does not manifest symptoms of MPD/DID? Where do you see confusion in any of what she says or does? People who are dissociative struggle with that a lot (& it is easy to understand why). We don't see her grasping, we don't see her saying she can't remember, she is fuzzy in her recollections. She does not meet the diagnostic criteria if she does not have symptoms like that.

If she was dissociative, you would not see her demonstrating speed in altering whatever she chooses to say, to fit what the person in front of her is asking her. Being a glib, blithe, fast liar is not an indication of MPD/DID.

JMO
exactly :smile:

[RiverWalk]

I would think a fingerprint on the sticky side of duct tape would be as visible as the glue residue from the sticker. Why would LE mention only the heart sticker and not a fingerprint in documents that would be released to the public? They wouldn't have to acknowledge whose fingerprint, but I've touched the sticky side of duct tape before and a fingerprint, if its there, is immediately visible.

At the last hearing, the SA said they were waiting for fingerprint data from the FBI on bags and duct tape. I guess we wait some more!!

[Dunlurken]

Quite frankly, there is not one thing they could have done. Casey would have voluntarily had to have given up Caylee. Dragging your toddler to adult parties and spendovers with multiple men and calling her a snothead simply does not qualify as reasons for a child to be taken away from a parent.
They put children back in homes that have been beaten and sexually assaulted while the parents get "counseling".

Basically, a childs' rights begin when they are placed in a body bag. (That's my opinion)
It's all so horrible. In my own twisted way, I feel very bad for George and Cindy. There was nothing they could have done to prevent this tragedy. However, if they covered up, that's a whole nother ball of wax. Then I have no sympathy for them. JMO.

[ishkabibble]

imo, based on the behavioral evidence, casey knew she was lying. if she didn't, why/how would she have stopped in the middle of the hall on the way to her "office" at univ studos? she even admitted to LE that everything she had told them was lies.

i would think that if she had a "split personality" (as in multiple personalities), she would have stopped and displayed some "confusion" at univ studios... sort of like... huh? i can't seem to find my office... it's supposed to be here, at the end of the hall...

no one that i know of has ever said casey had blackout/gaps in her memory, or was ever "confused" about something that others told her had happened.


She's merely a liar, not a nutcase. George told LE, she lies, and takes those lies as far as she can and then further.

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe filed theft charges for all Casey's thefts to teach her accountabilty? Maybe work with Casey to develop a "leaving the nest" and self-sufficiency development plan and timetable? Casey wasn't a minor when she became pregnant with Caylee; parents do not have to coddle their adult children unless they expect their grandchilden to fulfill their own emotional needs. JMO.

Exactly, Casey even told Lee, when Lee told her "mom's calling the police" It should have been done a long time ago. Meaning the calling of the police.

[Janz]

She's merely a liar, not a nutcase. George told LE, she lies, and takes those lies as far as she can and then further.

A fiendish liar at that!! I just don`t see a split personality.

[CelticDawn]

I was hoping they would do that. I felt that it would be common sense to try to locate the father in this poor baby's murder.

The 'DNA Parentage Report' established definitive parenthood for Casey.

[Dogmatic]

[QUOTE=farrahrani;12687617]Yes, and your gf had proven expenses most likely. Rent, groceries, utilities, phone, car payments or other transportation, etc.

Snipped.....

Now couldn't she get benefits since her child was so young and that there is no father because he died in a car accident? My daughters ex husband died a week before thanksgiving and she just got $1400 from SS. Thats why I think Caylee father is alive because she would be getting SS. Thats alot of money a month. My grandson is 13yo and I think she gets this 1400 until he graduates HS. But Casey would of gotten at least 16 years of SS money.

I'm guessing the "father" was not involved because it's entirely possible that he was otherwise involved and/or married and Casey knew it when she had her one night stand with him. Involving him financially would give her a whole knew set of grandparents to answer to etc. Too complicated for a simple minded 22 year old who's primary goal appeared to be men and partying and finding someone to financially support she and her child.

[Katprint]

Maybe I missed it (there was a LOT of reading involved), but I don't recall seeing mention of fingerprints on the duct tape in the document dump.
The latent print people in the FBI lab found the heart sticker adhesive residue while examining the duct tape, but I didn't see any mention of them finding actual latent fingerprints either. OTOH it also did not specifically state that no latent fingerprints were found.

There are a variety of things they do to the evidentiary material to bring up latent prints. Perhaps the heart sticker adhesive residue was discovered in the early stages i.e. during the initial visual examination and we do not yet have the results of the later stages of the examination.

Note: Latent prints by definition are invisible to the naked eye and need to be enhanced by various forensic techniques. Patent prints are visible to the naked eye, for example, when people have ink, dirt, blood, chocolate, etc. on their fingertips which is transferred onto a surface.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Jeepers]

I think we determined the book was not relevant. Wasn't "weathered" enough to be Caylee's. JMO.

Thank you.

[StillEG]

Yes. Called discovery. Both sides have to release it before it goes to trial, which could be a long time coming. JMO.


Does Florida have a reciprocal discovery law? If not, the defense doesn't have to share it's info with the prosecution.

[Janz]

[QUOTE=farrahrani;12687617]Yes, and your gf had proven expenses most likely. Rent, groceries, utilities, phone, car payments or other transportation, etc.

Snipped.....

Now couldn't she get benefits since her child was so young and that there is no father because he died in a car accident? My daughters ex husband died a week before thanksgiving and she just got $1400 from SS. Thats why I think Caylee father is alive because she would be getting SS. Thats alot of money a month. My grandson is 13yo and I think she gets this 1400 until he graduates HS. But Casey would of gotten at least 16 years of SS money.

Yep, and Cin A would have insisted Casey get that money!

[AnnInOhio]

This is exactly why I have been saying for months now that I feel Casey suffers from some kind of split personality. Because of the very thing you just said about not realizing that she is lying. I think this is a very strong possibility although there are some here who just would never consider the possibility. I do, though.

I've considered the possibility, but Casey doesn't appear to have gaps in her memory. "Multiples" are reportedly aware that they have gaps in their ability to remember or account for chunks of time, and they experience confusion. Casey just spins lies without stopping to care (or know) what others think about the plausibility of the lies. That's more indicative of a sociopath or psychopath, whichever terminology one chooses to use.

[aubrey04]

I can't find where I read a latent print was found on the duct tape. :confused: I stayed up so late last night reading & barely got any sleep. Maybe I am mistaken? I just read the FBI reports and skimmed LE's reports.. can't find a reference.

[happygert]

I don't believe that Cindy and George were ever in denial. I think that they both know and have known what Casey is capable of.

Sure they knew... They just couldn't keep all their lies straight..

[tmw]

What is a "ready bed"?
Its on page 17 of 59.
I don't know how to post it, sorry.

[Dunlurken]

Does Florida have a reciprocal discovery law? If not, the defense doesn't have to share it's info with the prosecution.

Thank you for that. I would have to look that one up. JMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Trash bag from vehicle (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/evidence%20reports.pdf)
items collected: page 46
maggots
pups

what are pups???


OMGoodness, page 49
I never knew that 11/13 was the date of LP's great bones find at Jay Blanchard park. How long did the news cover that story that day? LP has some nerve thinking he is always right.

IMO, pups are pupa (the stage after maggots in the life cycle). IIRC sent to forensic guy in Indiana but no results released. Many suspected maggots found in trunk from the body farm terminology but confirmed in the latest doc release, IMO.

[happygert]

I would think a fingerprint on the sticky side of duct tape would be as visible as the glue residue from the sticker. Why would LE mention only the heart sticker and not a fingerprint in documents that would be released to the public? They wouldn't have to acknowledge whose fingerprint, but I've touched the sticky side of duct tape before and a fingerprint, if its there, is immediately visible.


Yep. and its like that on scotch tape too..

[OneUp]

I had heard some blurb on CNN last night about why exactly the results of that fingerprint was not released. Some talking head suggested that it was being withheld because it may not have been Casey's or any of the Anthony's fingerprints and that would have been very damning for the State's case.

I do wonder why the results of the forensic tests and the identification of the fingerprint was NOT released. It's got me wondering.I may be wrong, but I don't think the Prosecution team can get away with withholding things just because they don't support their case. IMO< that woiuld get them in a heap of trouble and such things have led to a mistrial in the past.
On the other hand, I DO think that the defense can hold back quite a bit of their "work product" regarding their own investigations and things that don't look so good for their client.
I may be wwrong though.
JMO.

[Balesha]

Do the docs indicate whether they know who Caylee's father is?

[Katprint]

Does the state have to release all the evidence they have to the defense?
Yes, eventually the state will have to release all evidence - incriminating evidence and exculpatory evidence - before trial in time for the defense to have an adequate opportunity to investigate and prepare its defense / cross-examinations concerning same . But they don't have to release any evidence until they are completely done with that evidence and releasing it won't interfere with their further investigations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Dunlurken]

I've considered the possibility, but Casey doesn't appear to have gaps in her memory. "Multiples" are reportedly aware that they have gaps in their ability to remember or account for chunks of time, and they experience confusion. Casey just spins lies without stopping to care (or know) what others think about the plausibility of the lies. That's more indicative of a sociopath or psychopath, whichever terminology one chooses to use.She's wiley like a fox. I pondered multiple personality disorder, but threw it out of my mind. she has two/three cell phones, etc. She knew exactly what she was doing. No memory lapses, IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, eventually the state will have to release all evidence - incriminating evidence and exculpatory evidence - before trial and giving the defense an adequate opportunity to investigate and prepare its defense / cross-examinations concerning same . But they don't have to release any evidence until they are completely done with that evidence and releasing it won't interfere with their further investigations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thanks Kat.

[?noanswer]

...well after all, they have lost a granddaughter and now they are about to lose their daughter. How very sad... sad indeed. I feel sorry and have compassion for them that they lost Caylee, but don't expect me to cry about Casey.

If Casey should get off somehow, are they going to take her home and how are they going to get their life back? Are they going to keep her under lock and key so that no one else gets hurt from one of her delusions?

In one of the jailhouse tapes, Cindy told KC, she would not have to go to work. JMO

[Heyes]

The 'DNA Parentage Report' established definitive parenthood for Casey.
Dang!
Well, here's to wishing.

[KathR]

snipping to address: I have a very bright 3 year old grand daughter. And I can't get much out of her YET! :angry:

Would she be able to relate to you if she had ever woken up to find her self in a dark, enclosed space, with tape over her mouth?

I hate to think of what that child experienced. Even so, I think whatever occurred was an accident. Casey was trying to keep the child quiet and asleep in the trunk of the car while she partied.

The heart? Casey had to immediately go into denial about her daughter's death. She began imagining a sad story where she, the heroine, had to bury her own child. Or something like that. I'm sure Susan Smith actually believed she was telling the truth when she said to her dead sons that their mommy loved them.

[jusdafacts]

What is a "ready bed"?
Its on page 17 of 59.
I don't know how to post it, sorry.

It's a portable self inflating airmattress.

readybed (http://www.readybed.com/kidsBeds/)

[steffaroob4]

IMO, pups are pupa (the stage after maggots in the life cycle). IIRC sent to forensic guy in Indiana but no results released. Many suspected maggots found in trunk from the body farm terminology but confirmed in the latest doc release, IMO.

Thanks,
I looks at the link twice and didn't see any text messages, am I crazy?

[dgfred]

Text Messages Logs Released (59 Pages)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/evidence%20reports.pdf

What page are the text messages on?

[Dunlurken]

Yes, eventually the state will have to release all evidence - incriminating evidence and exculpatory evidence - before trial and giving the defense an adequate opportunity to investigate and prepare its defense / cross-examinations concerning same . But they don't have to release any evidence until they are completely done with that evidence and releasing it won't interfere with their further investigations.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I've been around way too long. Remember the famous blow poke from the Michael Peterson case? Found at the last minute!

This is what bothers me about this case. Both could be hiding evidence. JMO.

[AnnInOhio]

Quite frankly, there is not one thing they could have done. Casey would have voluntarily had to have given up Caylee. Dragging your toddler to adult parties and spendovers with multiple men and calling her a snothead simply does not qualify as reasons for a child to be taken away from a parent.
They put children back in homes that have been beaten and sexually assaulted while the parents get "counseling".

Basically, a childs' rights begin when they are placed in a body bag. (That's my opinion))

Unfortunately, kids rights usually don't even kick in then. If they did, sweet Caylee would have been laid to rest by now.

[Dogmatic]

Would she be able to relate to you if she had ever woken up to find her self in a dark, enclosed space, with tape over her mouth?

I hate to think of what that child experienced. Even so, I think whatever occurred was an accident. Casey was trying to keep the child quiet and asleep in the trunk of the car while she partied.

The heart? Casey had to immediately go into denial about her daughter's death. She began imagining a sad story where she, the heroine, had to bury her own child. Or something like that. I'm sure Susan Smith actually believed she was telling the truth when she said to her dead sons that their mommy loved them.

Do we know her nightlife activities for the evening of June 15th and June 16th. It's entirely possible that Caylee was in the trunk of that car while our resident "hot body" was drowning her sorrows in party life.

[girlspell]

Finding a latent fingerprint is depressing. I know that could be argued till the cows come home. How successful are the arguments for those kind of prints in court? I just know the defense will going after forensic for all they can.

[happygert]

Then how could they have prevented this tragedy if they had one inkling what Casey was capable of? She didn't kill small animals or take the wings off of flies, etc. Grand parents have no rights. All you can do is coddle the perpetrator and pray to God nothing really bad happens. What else could they have done?

Throw soft pillows please!

NO! they could have taken steps went to child and family sevices.. Told them what the mother of year was doing and how they thought she was an unfit mom.. They could have also called police to find Caylee and do welfare check. NO job, no home,no way to feed Caylee. They could have started temporary custody....There's a LOT OF THINGS they could have done.. cindy didn't because she REALLY DIDN'T WANT HER EITHER... She just liked to make the threat to casey...IMO cindy was GLAD they were gone..

[playnice]

What is a "ready bed"?
Its on page 17 of 59.
I don't know how to post it, sorry.

I cant read them from work. Could someone do a brief summary of what is in these documents.TIA

[?noanswer]

Nope...I TRIED to get legal aid to help me fight for sole custody of my eldest when I was young and still in college full time. The wouldn't help with that OR fighting for Child Support.
I can't iimagine why, of all things, the state wouldn't help a parent with custody and/or support, but unless that is only true in Kansas, she couldn't have gotten any help other than a referral to lawyers who handle such cases.
O/T, but I was REALLY pissed that I couldn't get help! I had to start sitting kids overnight to make the money for my legal expenses! I was already a full time student and worked a 40+ hour a week job and cuoldn't get help. My income was low enough, but they told me to come back if I ever got charged with a crime and they could help me THEN...if I was a criminal instead of just a parent wanting the best for her child.
Some Govt. programs make no sense!
JMO.

The welfare laws changed during the Clinton administration. One being that a parent could only receive benefits for so many years. During that time they were supposed to be going to school/getting a job. I doubt if KC wanted to do either. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Would she be able to relate to you if she had ever woken up to find her self in a dark, enclosed space, with tape over her mouth?

Yes. Good point! Thank you. Maybe not in those exact words, but Mommy was mean to me, etc. Didn't give me candy before dinner. Fine line us grand parents walk. JMO.

ETA: By then she would be dead I guess.

[Dogmatic]

Unfortunately, kids rights usually don't even kick in then. If they did, sweet Caylee would have been laid to rest by now.

Sad, but true. It is the point however, when parents are actually held accountable for their dastardly attempt at parenting. As long as the child remains alive, parents are given all the rights, and multiple chances of repairing themselves; all at the expense of their children.

[Januarybaby]

There was a latent fingerprint found on the duct tape. The FBI has yet to release any info on whether that latent fingerprint was able to be matched up... but a fingerprint was found, IIRC.

I think thats correct and I read it too but cant remember. There was a fingerprint found. If it matches Casey, I want to see how Cindy squirms and explains that one.

[WillowInFlight]

NO! they could have taken steps went to child and family sevices.. Told them what the mother of year was doing and how they thought she was an unfit mom.. They could have also called police to find Caylee and do welfare check. NO job, no home,no way to feed Caylee. They could have started temporary custody....There's a LOT OF THINGS they could have done.. cindy didn't because she REALLY DIDN'T WANT HER EITHER... She just liked to make the threat to casey...IMO cindy was GLAD they were gone..

And George told LE that he didn't believe that Casey was working and that he thought she was involved in something "bad". They just didn't want to deal with it. I wonder how thats working for them now.

[?noanswer]

Yes.

At the end of the documents it states: DNA Parentage Report (Item K-1)

Look three lines above that & you will see that Item K1 refers to Casey Anthony's buccal sample.

The 'DNA Parentage Report' established definitive parenthood for Casey.

But who the parent(s) are was not released, was it?

JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks,
I looks at the link twice and didn't see any text messages, am I crazy?

You're not crazy yet, maybe CF13 attached the wrong link for the label?

[playnice]

I cant wait for the June 15th all nighter messages with TonE.:thumbsup:

[Daffodil]

I was just thinking about the soil samples; ( nobody laugh at me ok?)
If i remember correctly, many soil samples taken from car.. ok.. then, after caylee was found, they went back and took soil from the backyard. in the docs yestarday, LE was reporting on disturbed soil??
ok, so, im thinking... maybe possible... laundry bag had soil on it, or in it.also, then placed in plastic bag, which may have had soil...my guess is that all soil will be tested to see if bag or bags, went from backyard, to casye's car, to final resting place... I watch to much CSI.. i dont think that LE will leave any stone or ''PAVER" UN-TURNED...
I might need more coffee...

That's good thinking!!

[Babes]

:sad:


IMO The kid was killed by the Duct Tape - Duct Tape was placed on her mouth so she'll shut up...IMO fingerprints on the Duct Tape and Laundry Bag will point the killer

[Januarybaby]

Seems to me that if they had identified any fingerprints as being Casey's anywhere on or inside that bag, they would have released that information straight away. It would bolster their case. Something is wrong.

I think the fingerprint was on the duct tape not the bags.

Got a brain like swiss cheese these days cant remember where I read what nemore. Im also having trouble reading the docs since the print is so small and when I try to enlarge, it goes back to all the docs.

[Janz]

Seems to me that if they had identified any fingerprints as being Casey's anywhere on or inside that bag, they would have released that information straight away. It would bolster their case. Something is wrong.

Yes, something is wrong. Is this why LA is seeking his immunity?? Strange case this one, for sure.

[breezie]

Do you mean to say you find it hard to imagine Henry Lee would do something so risky again?

I find it very easy to believe Henry Lee would do something so risky. Henry Lee has made me a believer.

who's hair would he plant? That's the part I'm not getting in this. I do believe he would do it...just what hair...from where?

[tvdinners]

Multiple Personality Disorder? (Now known as Dissociative Identity Disorder) Don't think so. She's a liar and a narcissist, but she doesn't meet the criteria for DID. Since she's already had an eval, don't you think that the defense would leap at the opportunity to use the insanity thing?

[Dunlurken]

And George told LE that he didn't believe that Casey was working and that he thought she was involved in something "bad". They just didn't want to deal with it. I wonder how thats working for them now.

See, that works for the defense. If George thinks Casey was involved in something "bad", it could appear as though Caylee was kidnapped. JMO. Drug money owed, etc. Child Porn, the list goes on and on. JMO.

[Mimi428]

So, how many multiple personality patients have you treated? I'm just saying.

What are you just saying? There are a ton of online resources which outline the diagnostic criteria that HAS to be met in order for the diagnosis to apply. Here's one - notice the word REQUIRE, which means that if it is NOT present, the diagnosis cannot apply...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

The diagnostic criteria in DSM-IV Dissociative disorders section 300.14 require:

The presence of two or more distinct identity or personality states, each with its own relatively enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to, and thinking about the environment and self.

At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behavior.

Inability to recall important personal information that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness.

The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., blackouts or chaotic behavior during alcohol intoxication) or a general medical condition (e.g., complex partial seizures). In children, the symptoms are not attributable to imaginary playmates or other fantasy play.[5] A patient history, x-rays, blood tests, and other procedures can be used to eliminate the possibility that symptoms are due to traumatic brain injury, medication, sleep deprivation, or intoxicants, all of which can mimic symptoms of DID.

Do you know people who are dissociative in any way? Know anybody with PTSD? It is a terrible disservice to people who struggle to keep their lives in any semblance of order to casually lump them together with depraved liars, who weave evil webs of deceit in attempts to cover up crimes.

JMO

[Daffodil]

Text Messages Logs Released (59 Pages)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/evidence%20reports.pdf

Before I go to read them, I wan to thank you. Thank you for staying on top of things and always providing links to us. I appreciate it.

[bama__angel]

What are you just saying? There are a ton of online resources which outline the diagnostic criteria that HAS to be met in order for the diagnosis to apply. Here's one - notice the word REQUIRE, which means that if it is NOT present, the diagnosis cannot apply...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder

The diagnostic criteria in DSM-IV Dissociative disorders section 300.14 require:

The presence of two or more distinct identity or personality states, each with its own relatively enduring pattern of perceiving, relating to, and thinking about the environment and self.

At least two of these identities or personality states recurrently take control of the person's behavior.

Inability to recall important personal information that is too extensive to be explained by ordinary forgetfulness.

The disturbance is not due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., blackouts or chaotic behavior during alcohol intoxication) or a general medical condition (e.g., complex partial seizures). In children, the symptoms are not attributable to imaginary playmates or other fantasy play.[5] A patient history, x-rays, blood tests, and other procedures can be used to eliminate the possibility that symptoms are due to traumatic brain injury, medication, sleep deprivation, or intoxicants, all of which can mimic symptoms of DID.

Do you know people who are dissociative in any way? Know anybody with PTSD? It is a terrible disservice to people who struggle to keep their lives in any semblance of order to casually lump them together with depraved liars, who weave evil webs of deceit in attempts to cover up crimes.

JMO



Thank you for this post...........

[Dogmatic]

And yet, my 2 year old grandson tells me EVERYTHING including every argument his parents have, things that sometimes I don't wanna know! Kids! Gotta luv em.


One of my children once told their Grandma that I had hit them just for playing with toys.

Translated to:

My child was placing a plastic snowman on the stove top and turning the stove on to see if it would melt. I told them "no, no hot". They reached for the element again and I slapped their little hand and said "no, no, hot".

It can get dicey sometimes.

[read-in]

who's hair would he plant? That's the part I'm not getting in this. I do believe he would do it...just what hair...from where?

OHHH that would belong to zanny the invisable nanny!!!

[WillowInFlight]

See, that works for the defense. If George thinks Casey was involved in something "bad", it could appear as though Caylee was kidnapped. JMO. Drug money owed, etc. Child Porn, the list goes on and on. JMO.

Oh I see, she was kidnapped, then the body was planted in Casey's car, after it laid in the back yard. They must have held a gun to her head and made her do the internet searches. I can see the jury buying that. NOT.

[Dunlurken]

I think that if the fingerprints were any of the Anthony family members or Casey herself they would have had that on the headline news and just kept it on the ticker every 60 seconds. I think that something is deadly wrong here, that the results of the latent fingerprint (which according to the Nancy Grace show last night, they did in deed find) were not released.

Also, one of the talking heads last night said that they found it very telling that the State is only picking and choosing what they want released to the media that is favorable to their case. I believe this might have been the blonde haired fellow with the crew cut.
I think that's Lee's attorney. Who claims Lee was not on the cell phone with the PI on November 15. Good Lord! What a mess.

[tvdinners]

<<snipped>>

Do you know people who are dissociative in any way? Know anybody with PTSD? It is a terrible disservice to people who struggle to keep their lives in any semblance of order to casually lump them together with depraved liars, who weave evil webs of deceit in attempts to cover up crimes.

JMO

Thank you!!!

[floridamom]

Maybe Florida has their own version of tropical storms. Where I live, and I am right on the water, even during just a heavy rain and thunderstorm, no piece of paper survives out in the lawn. I mean, it was a piece of paper that weighed nothing. I just can't wrap my mind around heavy rains and winds and a tiny itsy bitsy sticker out laying in the grass and leaves not getting blown away or disintegrating under heavy rainwater.

Maybe the sticker was in the bag during fay and later pulled out by critters.

[Janz]

I think that if the fingerprints were any of the Anthony family members or Casey herself they would have had that on the headline news and just kept it on the ticker every 60 seconds. I think that something is deadly wrong here, that the results of the latent fingerprint (which according to the Nancy Grace show last night, they did in deed find) were not released.

Also, one of the talking heads last night said that they found it very telling that the State is only picking and choosing what they want released to the media that is favorable to their case. I believe this might have been the blonde haired fellow with the crew cut.

Thanks January for reminding me just where I heard about a latent print found. NG show.

[Babes]

Yes, something is wrong. Is this why LA is seeking his immunity?? Strange case this one, for sure.

IMO the Laundry Bag was in Caylee's room and was touched by the Anthony's as all of them spent time with Caylee and even possibly took care of her and helped Casey raising her. Their fingerprints are on that Laundry Bag so they are asking for immunity. IMO.......

[Dunlurken]

Oh I see, she was kidnapped, then the body was planted in Casey's car, after it laid in the back yard. They must have held a gun to her head and made her do the internet searches. I can see the jury buying that. NOT.

I said "it could appear". You and I realize it's more smoke and mirrors on the part of the defense. JMO. Will the jurors?

[RiverWalk]

I think that if the fingerprints were any of the Anthony family members or Casey herself they would have had that on the headline news and just kept it on the ticker every 60 seconds. I think that something is deadly wrong here, that the results of the latent fingerprint (which according to the Nancy Grace show last night, they did in deed find) were not released.

Also, one of the talking heads last night said that they found it very telling that the State is only picking and choosing what they want released to the media that is favorable to their case. I believe this might have been the blonde haired fellow with the crew cut.

That is NOT what was said on NG last night. They were talking about the sticker being a latent print . . . residue left behind.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html

But one of the other things that we learned today that`s very interesting, we heard that her mouth was covered with duct tape. Investigators -- the latent imprint investigators, they found an imprint on that duct tape of a heart, and they analyzed that and they found the imprint was made by a sticker. At that scene, they also found that sticker. So they say somebody intentionally put a heart sticker over the duct tape that was actually over Caylee`s mouth inside this bag. This all came out in hundreds of pages of information, as Kathi said, that was released today.

The FBI finger print data on the bags and duct tape was not back yet as was stated at the last hearing.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Before I go to read them, I wan to thank you. Thank you for staying on top of things and always providing links to us. I appreciate it.


Unfortunately, you may have already read this information. Attempting to find all the released documents to total 311 pages.
jmo

[tvdinners]

Yes, that's very text book however, every case is different, can you argue that? And I just am not going to argue this. It is my opinion that there is a strong possibility Casey has a split personality, has hidden it very well and that she is not a "classic textbook case". If Baez does not have her evaluated and bring in a psychiatric expert into this courtroom, he will be grossly negligent. I am not the only one who sees this as a strong possibility and not just for a "defense angle" standpoint, but as a very real disorder that Casey suffers from. Yes, I do know people who are dissociative. I have worked on one case which involved a very ligitimate and confirmed case. I also know several folks who are suffering from Post Traumatic, all of them returnees from Iraq. I know the gravity, you need not preach to the choir.

Since she's already had an eval, don't you think the defense would leap at the opportunity to use the insanity thing?

[WillowInFlight]

IMO the Laundry Bag was in Caylee's room and was touched by the Anthony's as all of them spent time with Caylee and even possibly took care of her and helped Casey raising her. Their fingerprints are on that Laundry Bag so they are asking for immunity. IMO.......

I don't believe that they would ask for immunity because of that, it would be a given that their fingerprints would be on the bag. IMO

[happygert]

And George told LE that he didn't believe that Casey was working and that he thought she was involved in something "bad". They just didn't want to deal with it. I wonder how thats working for them now.

Well I'd say financially it's been GREAT... who else do you know that was behind in bills before ,when they were working have not worked ONE day since they found casey? 7 months not one day of work. I'd say in that aspect it paid off for them..They are still making money off of their dead granddaughter and still selling tee shirts and bracelets with the"HAVE YOU SEEN ME" on them and thats pretty dam sick and disgusting if you ask me..IMO they are also waiting for highest bidder beofre they have her funeral..32 days after being released from the ME and Caylee still lays in a 12x12 cardboard box in a cooler....

[Dunlurken]

Yes, that's very text book however, every case is different, can you argue that? And I just am not going to argue this. It is my opinion that there is a strong possibility Casey has a split personality, has hidden it very well and that she is not a "classic textbook case". If Baez does not have her evaluated and bring in a psychiatric expert into this courtroom, he will be grossly negligent. I am not the only one who sees this as a strong possibility and not just for a "defense angle" standpoint, but as a very real disorder that Casey suffers from. Yes, I do know people who are dissociative. I have worked on one case which involved a very ligitimate and confirmed case. I also know several folks who are suffering from Post Traumatic, all of them returnees from Iraq. I know the gravity, you need not preach to the choir.

Have any of them murdered/lost their 2 year old?

[newsjunkie]

[QUOTE=Dogmatic;12687711]

Wow a whole new set of Grandparents. Now that would have been nice for Caylee. Poor baby.


Cindy could not have handled that.

[Katprint]

I've been around way too long. Remember the famous blow poke from the Michael Peterson case? Found at the last minute!

This is what bothers me about this case. Both could be hiding evidence. JMO.
I guess it depends on what you mean by "hiding." I agree that the FBI labs are still working on various pieces of evidence, and that there are probably reports that have been prepared and/or are being prepared that have not yet been turned over to the defense and may not even have been turned over from the FBI to the DA yet. I don't agree that it is likely that the FBI or the police department investigators found some exculpatory evidence - like duct tape with a known pedophile's fingerprints on it - and are hiding it to keep the defense from getting it. If they did that and it was ever found out, such governmental misconduct would be grounds for a reversal of any conviction, not just a new trial, and Casey would walk free. The evidence against Casey is already so overwhelming, there is little point in taking such a risk.

By contrast, I do believe that the Anthonys hid/destroyed as much evidence as they could, just like they lied to police as much as they thought they could get away with. I think that is why they all need immunity now.

And even late-discovered evidence is still admissible, so long as it really was late-discovered rather than timely discovered but wrongfully concealed.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[OneUp]

The welfare laws changed during the Clinton administration. One being that a parent could only receive benefits for so many years. During that time they were supposed to be going to school/getting a job. I doubt if KC wanted to do either. JMO
TY, I wasn't aware that much had changed since I was a young mom, but I was talking about LEGAL AID. Not welfare...I've always worked my A** off to care for my girls, though I have had State medical, and my eldest still gets a subsidized form of insurance throught the State. It's a reduced rate, but we pay for it for her both because it's cheaper than through her stepdads work AND because it is the only thing that has gotten the employess of the State of Kansas motivated in helping us pursue her father for all of the support he owes. Someone owing THEM funds because the child is getting financial help from the State seems to motivate the bureacracy in a way that just seeking what she was due did not. Just another sad aspect of how ridiculously the rights and needs of children are put aside by State agencies IMO.
I agree that it seems they only have rights after they have been harmed irreperably or even killed. I could share dozens of stories from my work that just break the heart! As a foster parent, I had many little ones who were removed from my home, and taken screaming away by their parents or social workers to return to the home of their abusers...only to come back to my home in a few months after the next incident. No one seems to realize that abusive people don't change just because they sit bored out of their skulls through a parenting class, etc. and pass a written exam.
You cannot imagine how your heart breaks when a four year old begs you to promise her you won't ever "make" her leave and go "home" again...and all you can do is promise her that you will always be glad to have her in your family if her parents, the judge, or the social worker want to let her come to you. Sadly, they tend NOT to put children back in the same foster homes just to keep both parties from getting attached to one another! I don't know many people who could care for a little one even a single day and not get attached!
I've always been appalled that an abused adult has the right to leave their abuser and never return, but a child must go back time and again to live under the care of someone who hurts and scares them just for the sake of the myth of "Family Unity".
...sorry for the digression. It is so personal and meaningful to me, and I've done alot of work on trying to improve the laws and the system so childrens safety will (hopefully) someday come before the rights of an adult to have ready access to their victims.
If the laws were set up to put the childs interests first and foremost, then I feel we would see far fewer Caylee's, and others who suffer even years of abuse culminating in death.
JMO.
JMO.

[Januarybaby]

I don't believe that they would ask for immunity because of that, it would be a given that their fingerprints would be on the bag. IMO

Also they asked for immunity before anyone knew about the bag.

[Janz]

That is NOT what was said on NG last night. They were talking about the sticker being a latent print . . . residue left behind.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html

But one of the other things that we learned today that`s very interesting, we heard that her mouth was covered with duct tape. Investigators -- the latent imprint investigators, they found an imprint on that duct tape of a heart, and they analyzed that and they found the imprint was made by a sticker. At that scene, they also found that sticker. So they say somebody intentionally put a heart sticker over the duct tape that was actually over Caylee`s mouth inside this bag. This all came out in hundreds of pages of information, as Kathi said, that was released today.

as yet as stated at the last hearing.wThe FBI finger print data on the bags and duct tape was not back

I wonder if the FBI will release this only at trial or do they have to turn it over to defense before trial?

[AlohaRainbow]

Yes, that's very text book however, every case is different, can you argue that? And I just am not going to argue this. It is my opinion that there is a strong possibility Casey has a split personality, has hidden it very well and that she is not a "classic textbook case". If Baez does not have her evaluated and bring in a psychiatric expert into this courtroom, he will be grossly negligent. I am not the only one who sees this as a strong possibility and not just for a "defense angle" standpoint, but as a very real disorder that Casey suffers from. Yes, I do know people who are dissociative. I have worked on one case which involved a very ligitimate and confirmed case. I also know several folks who are suffering from Post Traumatic, all of them returnees from Iraq. I know the gravity, you need not preach to the choir.
can i ask - in what capacity have you worked with people diagnosed with did?

[Dunlurken]

The one with the spikey sort of crew cut haircut? That was Lee's attorney? Hmmmmm.

Yes, who also claimed he saw the video one week before it was ever released by Geraldo (let's not go there).... then said, wait wrong video. I never saw it before it last night on TV just like everyone else. JMO.

Can't these people keep their yappers shut?

[Daffodil]

IMO the Laundry Bag was in Caylee's room and was touched by the Anthony's as all of them spent time with Caylee and even possibly took care of her and helped Casey raising her. Their fingerprints are on that Laundry Bag so they are asking for immunity. IMO.......

What will be interesting is whose fingerprint is on the sticker.

[Babes]

I don't believe that they would ask for immunity because of that, it would be a given that their fingerprints would be on the bag. IMO

well Casey is crazy - She can twist the story around and involve her family on it maybe...

[happygert]

Seems to me that if they had identified any fingerprints as being Casey's anywhere on or inside that bag, they would have released that information straight away. It would bolster their case. Something is wrong.

nope they wouldn't have...everything is fine...casey's fingerprints being on that tape will be saved for a later date..FBI has not released who's fingerprints are on the tape yet...

[Regina.Lampert]

IIRC, a partial print was located on the trunk of the car. The CSI was looking for a latent fingerprint on the duct tape when he found the heart residue.

The State has a responsibility to turn over all evidence to the defense, but can designate whether or not said evidence is released to the public, imo.

[bama__angel]

Have any of them murdered/lost their 2 year old?



Thank you Dunlurken....... that is the bottom line............

[Babes]

What will be interesting is whose fingerprint is on the sticker.


and fingerprint on the Duct Tape IMO...

[RiverWalk]

I wonder if the FBI will release this only at trial or do they have to turn it over to defense before trial?

Pam Bondi (Florida Assistant St. Attorney) and Jeff Brown (Florida criminal defense attorney) both said that the state has 20 days to turn over the info. once they receive it IF they are finished with that part of the "evidence". So it's coming!!

[Janz]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "hiding." I agree that the FBI labs are still working on various pieces of evidence, and that there are probably reports that have been prepared and/or are being prepared that have not yet been turned over to the defense and may not even have been turned over from the FBI to the DA yet. I don't agree that it is likely that the FBI or the police department investigators found some exculpatory evidence - like duct tape with a known pedophile's fingerprints on it - and are hiding it to keep the defense from getting it. If they did that and it was ever found out, such governmental misconduct would be grounds for a reversal of any conviction, not just a new trial, and Casey would walk free. The evidence against Casey is already so overwhelming, there is little point in taking such a risk.

By contrast, I do believe that the Anthonys hid/destroyed as much evidence as they could, just like they lied to police as much as they thought they could get away with. I think that is why they all need immunity now.

And even late-discovered evidence is still admissible, so long as it really was late-discovered rather than timely discovered but wrongfully concealed.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thank you so much Katprint for explaining in a way that I can understand.

I hope the Ants are not granted immunity. Seems to me this would only enable other families in this sort of behavior. God forbid.

[bama__angel]

nope they wouldn't have...everything is fine...casey's fingerprints being on that tape will be saved for a later date..FBI has not released who's fingerprints are on the tape yet...



Absolutely correct gert..............the FBI doesnt have to release anything to the public..........They release to the State who releases to the defense..............when all the evidence associated has been tested and is complete

[AMS]

Just updated..

Report: Casey Anthony Trial Could Move To Jacksonville, Miami
Anthony's Attorney Expected To Seek Venue Change

POSTED: Wednesday, January 21, 2009
UPDATED: 1:03 pm EST January 22, 2009

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18535355/detail.html

[Babes]

Also they asked for immunity before anyone knew about the bag.


maybe they knew about the laundry hamper bag was missing long time ago :sad:

IMO Cindy knew that laundry bag was missing from the beginning...

[OneUp]

Seems to me that if they had identified any fingerprints as being Casey's anywhere on or inside that bag, they would have released that information straight away. It would bolster their case. Something is wrong.I'm not worried! First, they don't NEED any fingerprints...it would help of course, but I think they have a decent case w/o them. Secondly, the Prosecutor doesn't need to prove their case ANYWHERE but the courtroom. Releasing things now really isn't beneficial to them ( to the defense cause of trying for a COV it is tho.!), and I doubt they will release a single thing until they HAVE to do so.
JMO.

[Dunlurken]

If the laws were set up to put the childs interests first and foremost, then I feel we would see far fewer Caylee's, and others who suffer even years of abuse culminating in death.
JMO.
JMO.

Snipped to address: I keep hoping there will be something eventually signed by the President called Caylee's Law which would put the decisions back in the hands of the families, not the government.
To many children are being thrust back into abusive situations. JMO.

[msgatorslayer]

Remember Casey telling her Mom that in her gut, Caylee was okay. That they'd find her and she'd be 'just like she was', or something like that?

It was a slip on Casey's part to say that. She knew that Caylee was not 'just like she was".

She knew that she'd been rotting in the woods, for a month. And was in much worse condition than when she last seen her. Which was when she transfered her decomposing body from the backyard into her trunk, and then into the woods.

[Janz]

Pam Bondi (Florida Assistant St. Attorney) and Jeff Brown (Florida criminal defense attorney) both said that the state has 20 days to turn over the info. once they receive it IF they are finished with that part of the "evidence". So it's coming!!

Thank you River.

[RiverWalk]

I heard it too. Someone up above is saying Nancy Grace did not talk about any fingerprints. I was watching three shows last night, so it was one of three. The dark haired guy that comes on right before Jane Valez Mitchell, the Jane Valez Mitchell Issues show and Nancy Grace. I am almost certain it was Nancy Grace. Which ever talking head it was, they went so far as to ask why these FINGERPRINTS were not released to the media, complained about the State picking and choosing what they want released to favor their case AND inferring that the fingerprint was not Casey Anthony's. I don't have time today to google transcripts so if there is anyone looking for an argument, skip and scroll is your friend today. I'm too busy to argue or defend myself.

Thanks Janz for validating me! :wub:

I already gave you the NG transcript. Scroll back. Wasn't there.

Here's the JVM transcript: Janie Weintraub was making "stuff" up, imo.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ijvm.01.html

[Daffodil]

Remember Casey telling her Mom that in her gut, Caylee was okay. That they'd find her and she'd be 'just like she was', or something like that?

It was a slip on Casey's part to say that. She knew that Caylee was not 'just like she was".

She knew that she'd been rotting in the woods, for a month. And was in much worse condition than when she last seen her. Which was when she transfered her decomposing body from the backyard into her trunk, and then into the woods.

Yes, I agree with the bolding. Why wouldn't she be "just like she was"?

[Dunlurken]

Just updated..

Report: Casey Anthony Trial Could Move To Jacksonville, Miami
Anthony's Attorney Expected To Seek Venue Change

POSTED: Wednesday, January 21, 2009
UPDATED: 1:03 pm EST January 22, 2009

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18535355/detail.html

Thanks for the link. Hummmmmm. Isn't Jacksonville a college town? (or am I thinking Gainesville?) Miami is a metropolis. Interesting choices. JMO.

[Daffodil]

Also we had Casey telling either Lee or her parents that "they would be with Caylee again" not "Caylee will be with us again", I thought that was a slip of the tongue as well, as in someday we will go to heaven and be with Caylee again". Just a thought.

January, wow, that is one i missed. You are good.

[WillowInFlight]

Yep .....kids take things as they see them and repeat. We were at Walmart and the hubby was getting on my nerves ( in a fun way) and I said to my daughter "some day Ill tell ya who your real daddy is" I didnt say it loud just directed at him IN HUMOR. The next thing I know, he went to move the cart and she yelled, "youre not my daddy". I almost died in walmart that day. Gotta watch what you say in front of kids....LOL

OMG You owe me a new keyboard.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[cog1]

But who the parent(s) are was not released, was it?

JMO


Hi All,
I wondered if that meant they have an actual report and know who BOTH parents are OR if they are referring to the report that showed Jessie was NOT the father?

I am soooo confused!!

[Babes]

Yep .....kids take things as they see them and repeat. We were at Walmart and the hubby was getting on my nerves ( in a fun way) and I said to my daughter "some day Ill tell ya who your real daddy is" I didnt say it loud just directed at him IN HUMOR. The next thing I know, he went to move the cart and she yelled, "youre not my daddy". I almost died in walmart that day. Gotta watch what you say in front of kids....LOL


LOL - Thanks for the laugh - I need it here at work :thumbsup:

[Janz]

I'm not worried! First, they don't NEED any fingerprints...it would help of course, but I think they have a decent case w/o them. Secondly, the Prosecutor doesn't need to prove their case ANYWHERE but the courtroom. Releasing things now really isn't beneficial to them ( to the defense cause of trying for a COV it is tho.!), and I doubt they will release a single thing until they HAVE to do so.
JMO.

I agree, she has so convicted herself. I am not too worried about fingerprints, even though, as NG says, "would be icing on the cake". The state imo, doesn`t need a print. Lies, lies, and more lies. and Caylee gone for 31 days and no calls to 911.

[steffaroob4]

page 15 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/sheriffreports&warrants.pdf)

Within the bag was discovered .... Pooh Blanket. Also discovered were SEVERAL human bones.

Someone needs to tell Greta that several doesn't mean all the bones were in the bag.

[RiverWalk]

Good job, River Walk, on finding these transcripts! :thumbsup:

They are in our Links thread part 2.

[Dunlurken]

Remember Casey telling her Mom that in her gut, Caylee was okay. That they'd find her and she'd be 'just like she was', or something like that?

It was a slip on Casey's part to say that. She knew that Caylee was not 'just like she was".

She knew that she'd been rotting in the woods, for a month. And was in much worse condition than when she last seen her. Which was when she transfered her decomposing body from the backyard into her trunk, and then into the woods.

Here is my crazy take on all this. Casey said, paraphrasing.... "we will all be together again". Meaning we will all be DEAD like Caylee, eventually. JMO.

[Katprint]

Yes, I agree with the bolding. Why wouldn't she be "just like she was"?
Well, these recorded conversations are EXACTLY why attorneys don't want their clients to talk to anyone. It is difficult to lie so completely that there are no freudian slips.

The whole "just like she was" thing takes on much greater significance considered in the context of how superficially religious the Anthonys were, with Casey reading her Bible and praying all day, every day in jail. The Christian concept of resurrection generally includes the belief that when the believers are all raised from the dead, their physical bodies will be restored "just like they were" in life, except that sick/handicapped people will be cured. And of course, families will be reunited with their deceased loved ones.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Dunlurken]

Your thinking of Gainesville, U of F, Jacksonville is the largest City in the USA landwise.
Thanks. I always get those two confused. JMO.

[Babes]

page 15 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/sheriffreports&warrants.pdf)

Within the bag was discovered .... Pooh Blanket. Also discovered were SEVERAL human bones.

Someone needs to tell Greta that several doesn't mean all the bones were in the bag.


Speaking of Winnie The Pooh -- it looks like they might have a set of Winnie The Pooh just like this one that was sold in Ebay :
http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Winnie-the-Pooh-Complete-Room-Makeover-Lot-16pc_W0QQitemZ120365139137QQcmdZViewItem


and On this link :
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20090121/BREAKINGNEWS/90121043/1006/news01

Investigators serving a search warrant a the Anthony home were looking for duct tape, garbage bags, laundy bags, blankets, Winnie the Pooh items and a sheet of stickers that may have once contained a heart-shaped sticker.

[Janz]

Good job, River Walk, on finding these transcripts! :thumbsup:

Yeah, good job River. TY:thumbsup:

[AMS]

Thanks for the link. Hummmmmm. Isn't Jacksonville a college town? (or am I thinking Gainesville?) Miami is a metropolis. Interesting choices. JMO.

The Univ. of Florida is in Gainesville. Don't know much about Jacksonville other than they have a pro football team.

I read somewhere (can't remember) that someone predicted Baez would loook for a place that had a distrust of LE. I could see Miami possibly falling into that category. Don't know about Jacksonville.

IMO.

[Babes]

Here is my crazy take on all this. Casey said, paraphrasing.... "we will all be together again". Meaning we will all be DEAD like Caylee, eventually. JMO.


"We will all be together again" ? --- In Jail?

[Dunlurken]

Inconsistencies and weird things coming out of people's mouths are no stranger to my ears. Since this case, and my near obsession to crack Caseyspeak and LeeCode, I find myself really in tune with this kind of thing more and more. Anyone else finding they are reading into things more intensely since this case started?

I'm with you on this one. Don't say anything to me unless you mean it "literally". Hubby leaves says he will be back in 15 minutes.... I look at the clock. This one is taking a tough toll on my whole family. They pretty much don't speak to me anymore. :confused:

[num1barb]

snipped

When I was watching NG last night, the red head gal was talking about this and said that the heart was not inside the bag, but that after the sticky substance was detected on the tape, the police went back to the area and located the actual sticker. So now I am back to being confused. Was the sticker in or out of the bag and if out, then how did it manage to survive the hurricane?

I dont know if this has been discussed as a possiblity, but I too was wondering about this after you brought it up yesterday.

Last night it occurred to me that perhaps the sticker was still on the duct tape when Mr. Kronk found the skull, and when he either picked up the bag or kicked the bag (whichever it was, I never found out which one) perhaps the sticker was loose from all of the water and fell completely off of the duct tape when the skull was picked up/kicked/moved.

What do y'all think?? Feasible??

MOO

[Daffodil]

Well, these recorded conversations are EXACTLY why attorneys don't want their clients to talk to anyone. It is difficult to lie so completely that there are no freudian slips.

The whole "just like she was" thing takes on much greater significance considered in the context of how superficially religious the Anthonys were, with Casey reading her Bible and praying all day, every day in jail. The Christian concept of resurrection generally includes the belief that when the believers are all raised from the dead, their physical bodies will be restored "just like they were" in life, except that sick/handicapped people will be cured. And of course, families will be reunited with their deceased loved ones.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Katprint,

I always read your posts because they are so educational. I am assuming you are a lawyer?

Anyway, now I have also been educated on religion. Wow, that is a real eye opener now.

[AnnInOhio]

There are multiples walking among us that hide it very well. Some don't even bother going to the doctor because they think they can handle it themselves. So I am still open to the idea that Casey has a split personality.

Got any proof, or is that your opinion?

[RiverWalk]

page 15 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/sheriffreports&warrants.pdf)

Within the bag was discovered .... Pooh Blanket. Also discovered were SEVERAL human bones.

Someone needs to tell Greta that several doesn't mean all the bones were in the bag.

No kidding. She and Dr. Baden keep saying the most of the bones were in the bag over and over and over again. Weird.

[WillowInFlight]

You remind me of that character on Will and Grace played by Molly Shannon. She was one heartbeat behind someone else, repeating the same exact thing. Too funny! :laugh:

:laugh:..............

[trt]

i don't think Cindy wanted custody, she wanted Casey to take care of her daughter. She was tired. She worked everyday and carried the financial burden of not just George but Casey too. She was then expected to spend her evenings looking after a 2-3 yr old? I don't think she minded the occasional babysitting, but her coworker said she routinely had Casey dropping Caylee off at her job so Casey could go to "work". George and Cindy both said they had primary care of Caylee most weekends too. I'm sorry but that is a lot for a 50something woman, no matter how much she loves her grandchild. George was probably irritated that he had daily breakfast duty, while Casey slept.

Casey's friend Lauren Gibbs said Casey dumped Caylee on her many days so that casey could go to "work" . Lauren got fed up when she learned Casey was out with her friends and not working. Casey had no interest in being a mother, I think Cindy thought she would mature as Caylee got older and take more responsbility for her, but Casey wanted her freedom.

Sorry, had to step away for a little while. I'm not, by any means, downplaying the responsibility that fell on Cindy's shoulders. I just wonder why she would use the excuse that she didn't want to be financially responsible for Caylee (paraphrase from co-workers) as a reason not to raise Caylee herself. She was already doing these things, by her own admission. So that could not have been the reason, IMO.

[darcie]

There are multiples walking among us that hide it very well. Some don't even bother going to the doctor because they think they can handle it themselves. So I am still open to the idea that Casey has a split personality.


I'm one of them......and I sure don't buy it.

But that is me, and only my opinion!

[newsjunkie]

page 15 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/sheriffreports&warrants.pdf)

Within the bag was discovered .... Pooh Blanket. Also discovered were SEVERAL human bones.

Someone needs to tell Greta that several doesn't mean all the bones were in the bag.


Greata is behaving like the TH's, Gets info here and there the day of her show then puts together her theory. That is not the first time she has said she's confused.
It's easy to get confused here when you have ALL the info, imagine when you only have some of it?

[Daffodil]

I dont know if this has been discussed as a possiblity, but I too was wondering about this after you brought it up yesterday.

Last night it occurred to me that perhaps the sticker was still on the duct tape when Mr. Kronk found the skull, and when he either picked up the bag or kicked the bag (whichever it was, I never found out which one) perhaps the sticker was loose from all of the water and fell completely off of the duct tape when the skull was picked up/kicked/moved.

What do y'all think?? Feasible??

MOO

I think it is very feaseible.

[RiverWalk]

Yeah, the problem with that I find is that if I take a minute to look over there, I am 12 pages behind when I come back. You do good investigation work. Kudos! :thumbsup:

YW and I know what you mean about looking and then being behind.

[RiverWalk]

"We will all be together again" ? --- In Jail?

lol. That's the ticket!

[Dunlurken]

Sorry, had to step away for a little while. I'm not, by any means, downplaying the responsibility that fell on Cindy's shoulders. I just wonder why she would use the excuse that she didn't want to be financially responsible for Caylee (paraphrase from co-workers) as a reason not to raise Caylee herself. She was already doing these things, by her own admission. So that could not have been the reason, IMO.

She was "raising" Caylee, but did not have custody. Hence, the argument with the hands around the neck, Casey storming out of the house, and a dead Caylee. JMO.

[Daffodil]

Well, I have to get some things done today!!!! I am always on her longer than I intended. Have a great day everyone.

[OneUp]

I was unaware that one had to post their credentials in order to post on this website. :confused:Really January! YOU were the one to query about another posters experience...if one doesn't need to PROVE that the have firsthand experience in order to have an opinion ( and I don't think anyone here needs a degree or a relevant job to have a valuable opinion!), then why would YOU ask the same of another?
...My oarents always warned us not to dish it out if we couldn't take it...
FWIW, I don't care if posters have life experience, verifiable credentials, or are self educated...IMO ALL of those things are valid and helpful and allow one to contribute meaningfully here. I like hearing ALL of the POV's, even those I adamentally disagree with! They make me think things over better!
JMO tho...apparently many people don't agree with that here!
Can we stick to being peeved with those who really deserve it?...like that nasty thing Casey Anthony! I'd HATE to see this discussion dissolve into bickering, that's why I rarely bother to stick around and post lately. Most of us here are better than that, you included!
Again, JMO.

[OneUp]

Hope you don't mind I bolded, but THANK YOU! I agree, releasing all of this information before the trial is not good!
NOPE! I don't mind in the least! Snip, Bold, color, even italicize to your hearts content!
But please, no one reassemble my posts totally...I can make a fool of myself w/o a bit of help!:biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

I don't agree with this. I think Cindy had anything BUT a short fuse. Casey different story. It would have taken a huge something, something so bad that would push Cindy's buttons to the point of putting her hands around Casey's throat. Was the story ever verified by anyone? Or was this strangulation story just another one of Casey's "things".

Who did Lee hear it from, Casey or Cindy? And when did he hear it I wonder.

[Lapis]

Well i am sure none of them have been payed yet so any of them should be able to walk away........if they wanted too.........

The experts may be able to walk away but the attorneys have to have the court's permission to withdraw. Nonpayment is a valid reason however if the deal was struck for nonpayment in exchange for the publicity, the attorney cannot now withdraw because the case is too hard. My retainer agreement provides that I can withdraw if my client lies to me so that may be an avenue for withdrawal.

[happygert]

I don't agree with this. I think Cindy had anything BUT a short fuse. Casey different story. It would have taken a huge something, something so bad that would push Cindy's buttons to the point of putting her hands around Casey's throat. Was the story ever verified by anyone? Or was this strangulation story just another one of Casey's "things".


Every single one in that family have short fuses.. WE'VE seen every single one of there TEMPERS!

[Dunlurken]

I don't agree with this. I think Cindy had anything BUT a short fuse. Casey different story. It would have taken a huge something, something so bad that would push Cindy's buttons to the point of putting her hands around Casey's throat. Was the story ever verified by anyone? Or was this strangulation story just another one of Casey's "things".

I believe Lee is the one that said it. JMO. Don't know if it was verified, but if I were Cindy.... I probably would have done it! So it's not a big stretch.

[WillowInFlight]

Every single one in that family have short fuses.. WE'VE seen every single one of there TEMPERS!

Yep, George with his hose and Cindy with her hammer.:rolleyes:

[Dunlurken]

Who did Lee hear it from, Casey or Cindy? And when did he hear it I wonder.

IIRC, Lee was there when it happened. JMO.

[ishkabibble]

last night while I was shopping it popped into my head that, too many times to count, I've found intact stickers in the washing machine. They weren't stuck to their original spot but they made it through all the cycles without tearing or turning into mush balls.

same here and I've also found the shirt/s they had been attached to in the same wash cycle. the adhesive was still on the shirt/s and bits of lint and such where stuck to that area. It took some additonal washes and pre treating to get rid of the sticky residue.

[steffaroob4]

Does anyone have the link from target with that pook crib set we were looking at yesterday?

[AnnInOhio]

Yep. and its like that on scotch tape too..

Sounds like you've seen some of my pathetically shabby gift wrapping!

[no1what]

Here is my crazy take on all this. Casey said, paraphrasing.... "we will all be together again". Meaning we will all be DEAD like Caylee, eventually. JMO.

------------------------------------------------------

this is my take also.

Casey should have said we'll have our family back together. But Casy is always playing on words (ex. if the Bible is correct we will all be together again in Heaven) because Casey knows Caylee is dead.

Then IMO Casey pats herself on the back for how she phrased her answer as to tell an indirect lie.

[msgatorslayer]

Well, these recorded conversations are EXACTLY why attorneys don't want their clients to talk to anyone. It is difficult to lie so completely that there are no freudian slips.

The whole "just like she was" thing takes on much greater significance considered in the context of how superficially religious the Anthonys were, with Casey reading her Bible and praying all day, every day in jail. The Christian concept of resurrection generally includes the belief that when the believers are all raised from the dead, their physical bodies will be restored "just like they were" in life, except that sick/handicapped people will be cured. And of course, families will be reunited with their deceased loved ones.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Wow, Katt. Creepy!!

Do we really know how religous the Anthony's are though? I know there is a Preacher from what has been called their church, IIRC. But where are all the church patrons in this mess? I would expect to hear about them. Bringing food to TES, etc. And being a huge support system for the Anthony's.

Casey reading her bible all the time in jail, well, don't most criminals become God fearing once they're in a cell?

[BJames]

It would appear that right from the 'beginning' the Anthony's went into 'cover up mode'...but why?
Why would Lee Anthony delete and crash Casey's computer from TonE's? At that point...why would he think he needed to do that?

Anyone have any ideas?

[martha]

they did not tell who the finger print belong to then do you all think someone elce did this? This is the crayest case I have ever seen. I wish they would just get the trial started. if someone took caylee and killed her i still don;t understand why casey did not report her missing. Maybe casey did owe someone a lot of money for drugs. This case has and is worring me to death. wish we knew some of the real evd.that le has. If someone killed her over the drugs money what good would that do them. they will never get their money now. with casey in jail.jmho

[marshmallow]

I'm with you on this one. Don't say anything to me unless you mean it "literally". Hubby leaves says he will be back in 15 minutes.... I look at the clock. This one is taking a tough toll on my whole family. They pretty much don't speak to me anymore. :confused:

one son comes in from work and asks me if anything new has come up in this case, the other son comes in the door and says "I don't want to know .....don't tell me about Casey"


I figure I'm doing okay with 50% interest. But they still won't let me watch Geraldo and NG.... or hockey, baseball or football after 8pm...angers me up and makes me yell at the tv :w00t:

[jusdafacts]

FYI - Sean Krause, who was interviewed by Det. Melich, will be on Greta Van Susteren tonight, 10pm EST, FOX News.

Yesterday's doc dump outlines what information (conversations between Cindy A and Krause) Krause has provided to LE, and can be seen here:

Pages 9, 10 and 11 (http://www.wftv.com/news/18530380/detail.html)

[Babes]

"The date the photo was posted on the site: June 3, 2008. Someone had photoshopped a small heart onto the bottom left side of the photo"


http://www.bloggernews.net/119467
check on the link above for the photo

[RockStarGirl]

I agree with you that the R's poster is horrible, but I think that is the mind of young men these days. I have boys in their late teens/early twenties who would also think this was funny. Not that they'd do it or even considering using chloroform on a woman, but just that it was funny and I could see them posting something like this on facebook or wherever.

They were brought up to respect women, believe me!

Hi, just jumping in here. Good Afternoon All.

When I saw this I thought that maybe the guys would think this is somehow a way to make fun of themselves. Such as they were too nerdy, dorky, loserish to get a woman without drugging her in some way. Of course, it is degrading to women, but young men usually don't think about things like that. I could be totally wrong, but I was thinking that might be a possibility.

[cassidy]

Yep, George with his hose and Cindy with her hammer.:rolleyes:

And Lee tossing out the dog's water. Always thought that was an odd reaction to a protester. After all, the dog didn't do anything.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

------------------------------------------------------

this is my take also.

Casey should have said we'll have our family back together. But Casy is always playing on words (ex. if the Bible is correct we will all be together again in Heaven) because Casey knows Caylee is dead.

Then IMO Casey pats herself on the back for how she phrased her answer as to tell an indirect lie.

Can we all say sociopath? I once stated Casey was very articulate (meaning she chose her words wisely.) Got blasted for saying it. This is a perfect example of choosing your words wisely. JMO.

[MiamiNice1]

Just updated..

Report: Casey Anthony Trial Could Move To Jacksonville, Miami
Anthony's Attorney Expected To Seek Venue Change

POSTED: Wednesday, January 21, 2009
UPDATED: 1:03 pm EST January 22, 2009

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18535355/detail.html

I don't know where Baez can go to try to free Casey. There is no place for them to hide.

IMO, I don't believe Casey will fare well here in Miami. Miami is filled with skeptical and experienced (read: "School-of-hard-knocks") people, with a low tolerance for those who harm small children.

Casey will NOT get off lightly here in Miami, IMO. Ask John Couey.

imo

[msgatorslayer]

I agree with you that the R's poster is horrible, but I think that is the mind of young men these days. I have boys in their late teens/early twenties who would also think this was funny. Not that they'd do it or even considering using chloroform on a woman, but just that it was funny and I could see them posting something like this on facebook or wherever.

They were brought up to respect women, believe me!

Oh, oh, oh, I can't think of what it was now. My then teen Son said something that in his circle of friends was considered a normal word and funny. It upset me when I heard him say it. And I had to preach to him what it really meant.

I still can't think of it. But ITA with what you're saying.

[Babes]

It would appear that right from the 'beginning' the Anthony's went into 'cover up mode'...but why?
Why would Lee Anthony delete and crash Casey's computer from TonE's? At that point...why would he think he needed to do that?

Anyone have any ideas?

He even deleted a lot of myspace postings on Casey's account...:sad::sad:

[cassidy]

It would appear that right from the 'beginning' the Anthony's went into 'cover up mode'...but why?
Why would Lee Anthony delete and crash Casey's computer from TonE's? At that point...why would he think he needed to do that?

Anyone have any ideas?

Because Casey told him more than we know she told him. And he knew she was in deep.

Just a guess here.

[marshmallow]

Sounds like you've seen some of my pathetically shabby gift wrapping!

mine too, when I wrap a gift you can tell what I'm wearing, what my finger prints looks like, and how many pets I have... :wink:



I still feel the duct tape is going to play a huge role in the trial.

[happygert]

Yep, George with his hose and Cindy with her hammer.:rolleyes:

Lee grabbing the lady's dog water throwing it out, and tearing up sign and tearing down the memorial....

[bchand]

Does anyone have the link from target with that pook crib set we were looking at yesterday?


This one steff?

Originally posted by funkyflower
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Home
Posts: 1,464

Okay I finally found the information about the bedding I wanted.

The name of the bedset on the crib was called "Best Of Friends." It was sold exclusively at Target. And it came with lots of accessories.
Link to list here.


http://www.crowncraftsinfantproducts.com/index.php?template=brand_detail&id=41

[WillowInFlight]

It would appear that right from the 'beginning' the Anthony's went into 'cover up mode'...but why?
Why would Lee Anthony delete and crash Casey's computer from TonE's? At that point...why would he think he needed to do that?

Anyone have any ideas?

Great question BJ, I wonder if Casey told him something when they were in the garage, Why would he even think that there would be things that needed to be deleted?

[WillowInFlight]

Yep, the entire sense of entitlement of this family is incredible!

It seems that Baez has caught the entitlement bug as well.

[steffaroob4]

This one steff?

Originally posted by funkyflower
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Home
Posts: 1,464

Okay I finally found the information about the bedding I wanted.

The name of the bedset on the crib was called "Best Of Friends." It was sold exclusively at Target. And it came with lots of accessories.
Link to list here.


http://www.crowncraftsinfantproducts.com/index.php?template=brand_detail&id=41

I can't get the link to work, argh

NEVERMIND Thanks, that is it

[Dogmatic]

I agree with you that the R's poster is horrible, but I think that is the mind of young men these days. I have boys in their late teens/early twenties who would also think this was funny. Not that they'd do it or even considering using chloroform on a woman, but just that it was funny and I could see them posting something like this on facebook or wherever.

They were brought up to respect women, believe me!

I think it's actually a joke that pokes fun at men who maybe aren't very charming. Kind of like they can't win women over any other way but with chloroform.

It's not funny now because an innocent two year old has been murdered and there are signs of chloroform in the trunk.

At the time, it was probably a lame, but harmless joke.

[msgatorslayer]

I don't know where Baez can go to try to free Casey. There is no place for them to hide.

IMO, I don't believe Casey will fare well here in Miami. Miami is filled with skeptical and experienced (read: "School-of-hard-knocks" people) people, with a low tolerance for those who harm small children.

Casey will NOT get off lightly here in Miami, IMO. Ask John Couey.

imo

:beer:

There may a couple of jurors who won't wish death on her, if it is brought back to the table, but thats about it.

[Babes]

I can't get the link to work, argh


This isnt from Target but the bedding has a lot of similarity to his one that was sold at Ebay . It has a complete of Winnie The Pooh Room Make Over - There is also a Laundry Hamper in there.


http://cgi.ebay.com/Disney-Winnie-the-Pooh-Complete-Room-Makeover-Lot-16pc_W0QQitemZ120365139137QQcmdZViewItem

[Dunlurken]

This one steff?

Originally posted by funkyflower
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Home
Posts: 1,464

Okay I finally found the information about the bedding I wanted.

The name of the bedset on the crib was called "Best Of Friends." It was sold exclusively at Target. And it came with lots of accessories.
Link to list here.


http://www.crowncraftsinfantproducts.com/index.php?template=brand_detail&id=41That's it. But it wasn't sold exclusively at Target. We have the same one, sold at Babies R Us. JMO. Can also be bought on line.

[Dogmatic]

And Lee tossing out the dog's water. Always thought that was an odd reaction to a protester. After all, the dog didn't do anything.

JMO

I know this opinion is not popular, but I still firmly believe that those protesters trampled on everyone's civil liberties in that neighborhood. What they did is stalking, in my opinion.

It was not a peaceful demonstration. It was stalking. IMO

[RockStarGirl]

I think it's actually a joke that pokes fun at men who maybe aren't very charming. Kind of like they can't win women over any other way but with chloroform.

It's not funny now because an innocent two year old has been murdered and there are signs of chloroform in the trunk.

At the time, it was probably a lame, but harmless joke.

Yes, I agree, I just posted the same thing a couple of minutes ago!! LOL

[bchand]

I can't get the link to work, argh

NEVERMIND Thanks, that is it


Yep I had to fix the link. yw

[MiamiNice1]

:beer:

There may a couple of jurors who won't wish death on her, if it is brought back to the table, but thats about it.
You're right - that is the very BEST Baez and Casey can hope for here, IMO.

[ishkabibble]

Sorry, had to step away for a little while. I'm not, by any means, downplaying the responsibility that fell on Cindy's shoulders. I just wonder why she would use the excuse that she didn't want to be financially responsible for Caylee (paraphrase from co-workers) as a reason not to raise Caylee herself. She was already doing these things, by her own admission. So that could not have been the reason, IMO.

Maybe she used finances as a reason to the co workers because she didn't want to admit she had no interest in being totally responsible for Caylee's care. Appearances are important to Cindy perhaps she felt that was a more acceptable excuse. Not all grandparents want to take full child rearing responsibility for the grandchildren. especially if their mother is not incapacitated in some way, she is just not taking HER responsiblity seriously.

[Janz]

they did not tell who the finger print belong to then do you all think someone elce did this? This is the crayest case I have ever seen. I wish they would just get the trial started. if someone took caylee and killed her i still don;t understand why casey did not report her missing. Maybe casey did owe someone a lot of money for drugs. This case has and is worring me to death. wish we knew some of the real evd.that le has. If someone killed her over the drugs money what good would that do them. they will never get their money now. with casey in jail.jmho

Hello dear Martha, I don`t think anyone but Casey killed Caylee, this theory of a drug killing is just defense smoke and mirrors. I am off for a bit, but always good to see you, Martha.

[bchand]

That's it. But it wasn't sold exclusively at Target. We have the same one, sold at Babies R Us. JMO. Can also be bought on line.


May be, but funkyflowers link said:

Available Exclusively at:
Target and Target.com


So she wasn't wrong in her post.

[steffaroob4]

This looks like the original set (http://cgi.ebay.com/Classic-Winnie-the-Pooh-crib-set-bedding-nursey-decor_W0QQitemZ280303459260QQcmdZViewItemQQptZNurs ery_Decor?hash=item280303459260&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)
this seller even has the window sheers for sale in another auction, It is a good shot of quilt

Now, does anyone have the link to the nursery from the CA interviews, I am seeing a difference in the quilts.

[cassidy]

I know this opinion is not popular, but I still firmly believe that those protesters trampled on everyone's civil liberties in that neighborhood. What they did is stalking, in my opinion.

It was not a peaceful demonstration. It was stalking. IMO

I didn't agree with the protesters either. And I agree they disrupted the entire neighborhood and were a general nuisance. But they always got what they came for, a reaction from the Anthony's and so they kept coming back. Someone should have taken the high road and neither did. They Anthony's played right into them.
JMO

[Dunlurken]

May be, but funkyflowers link said:

Available Exclusively at:
Target and Target.com


So she wasn't wrong in her post.

Gotcha. I apologize. I misread. JMO.

[shelbar53]

If it was a paper sticker it would have to have been protected, like in the bag, IMO.

But it could have been a glossy sticker or a foil sticker, like the Lisa Frank ones, those are very long lasting. I put them on my notebooks as a teen and they come in all shapes, sizes, and types. I had huge heartshaped glossy ones with unicorns on them, and tiny foil red heart stickers. They seemed to last a ridiculously long time :tongueside:

look at pic 4, see the stickers on the back of the phone...puffy and NOT made of paper. One is a heart sticker

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1873829/Casey-Anthony-Partying-Again

[Dogmatic]

Agree with that completely. Any of us that have been burned by a sociopath (and I'm sure there are a few ....) possibly noticed her fancy spinning right off. I know I did. And it's cruel .... just watching the effect it had on her parents made my stomach knot up.


I have known people such as Casey. They have not murdered that I know of, but regardless of their situation, they always lead very high drama lives. (most of which is by their own choices and doing)

Their main goal always was the same. Deflect the matters of importance and create a flood of unimportant information and drama that evokes emotions always being at a high level.

I grew weary of them, and distanced myself. Glad I did

[Katprint]

This looks like the original set (http://cgi.ebay.com/Classic-Winnie-the-Pooh-crib-set-bedding-nursey-decor_W0QQitemZ280303459260QQcmdZViewItemQQptZNurs ery_Decor?hash=item280303459260&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)
this seller even has the shhers for sale in another auction, It is a good shot of quilt

Now, does anyone have the link to the nursery from the CA interviews, I am seeing a difference in the quilts.
I have this link http://i39.tinypic.com/2mcyrr9.jpg I know there are other links maybe with a better view of the blanket.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[bchand]

Maybe she used finances as a reason to the co workers because she didn't want to admit she had no interest in being totally responsible for Caylee's care. Appearances are important to Cindy perhaps she felt that was a more acceptable excuse. Not all grandparents want to take full child rearing responsibility for the grandchildren. especially if their mother is not incapacitated in some way, she is just not taking HER responsiblity seriously.

Another way of looking at Cindy's statement that they couldn't afford to get custody of Caylee is - she considered Casey a free babysitter.
She seemed to buy the "nanny" story and it didn't cost her anything so all the better.

IF she went for full custoday, she'd have to add childcare to her current expenses. And we all know how much REAL childcare costs.

[WillowInFlight]

I have known people such as Casey. They have not murdered that I know of, but regardless of their situation, they always lead very high drama lives. (most of which is by their own choices and doing)

Their main goal always was the same. Deflect the matters of importance and create a flood of unimportant information and drama that evokes emotions always being at a high level.

I grew weary of them, and distanced myself. Glad I did

Distancing yourself is the healthy thing to do, People like that can suck the life out of you.

[shelbar53]

This looks like the original set (http://cgi.ebay.com/Classic-Winnie-the-Pooh-crib-set-bedding-nursey-decor_W0QQitemZ280303459260QQcmdZViewItemQQptZNurs ery_Decor?hash=item280303459260&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C 240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50)
this seller even has the window sheers for sale in another auction, It is a good shot of quilt

Now, does anyone have the link to the nursery from the CA interviews, I am seeing a difference in the quilts.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2mcyrr9.jpg

[Dogmatic]

Distancing yourself is the healthy thing to do, People like that can suck the life out of you.


Indeed. Casey fits the mold

[Dunlurken]

I have this link http://i39.tinypic.com/2mcyrr9.jpg I know there are other links maybe with a better view of the blanket.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
Thanks. That is the set. Man, I could go upstairs and take a pic of the comforter, but it's put away for safekeeping. I'll google Babies R Us. It's the exact same bedding. Comes with bumpers, sheets, etc. BRB. And a soft and cozy blankie that is not the comforter. JMO.

I think we all know Caylee never slept in that bed though. she always slept with her Mom, according to Cindy.
JMO.

[Dells]

Thanks for starting the new thread.

While I didn't think there was very much new info in the doc dump today (there rarely is, imo), I did come away with a new thought...that maybe Caylee's body was in the laundry bag (only) in the trunk for the first couple of days. Maybe the garbage bag came later? I was always bothered as to why the smell in the trunk was so strong if she had been in a sealed plastic bag.

That's a very good point. I bet she was in the trunk in just the laundry bag in the beginning, and then when that started to leak:sad:, that is when Casey put the laundry bag into the plastic bag. The only way a plastic bag would leak so much is if it had some sort of a rip or tear in it. :sad: Wow, this is so hard to talk about at times.:crying: Poor Caylee, may she finally be at peace.

[Babes]

look at pic 4, see the stickers on the back of the phone...puffy and NOT made of paper. One is a heart sticker

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1873829/Casey-Anthony-Partying-Again


Who is that girl holding the cellphone with the stickers on it?

[Katprint]

look at pic 4, see the stickers on the back of the phone...puffy and NOT made of paper. One is a heart sticker

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1873829/Casey-Anthony-Partying-Again
WOW! Good sleuthing!

And as I re-read the report, I see that the assumption that they found a sticker made from paper was merely my own assumption. (I guess it's true what they say about assume making an "***" out of "u" and "me".) The report actually does not state what material the sticker was made from, so it is possible that the sticker was a plastic/jewel type sticker.

From page 15 (aka 3168) of the Orange County Sheriff's Office "Affidavit for Search Warrant" dated December 20, 2008 http://www.wftv.com/news/18530424/detail.html

"While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, the latent print unit noticed residue in the perfect shape of a heart. The heart was not hand drawn and residue appeared to be consistent with the adhesive side of a heart shaped sticker. It appears that the sticker was put on the duct tape intentionally. In the search area, investigators located a small heart shaped sticker similar in size to the residue found on the duct tape. The sheet from which this sticker came from was not recovered on scene."

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ishkabibble]

May be, but funkyflowers link said:

Available Exclusively at:
Target and Target.com


So she wasn't wrong in her post.

Lots of time manufacturers sell the bascially the same things to different retailers, they may exchange one item for another in the grouping and claim it as an exclusive. ex: same set as Babies r Us but the Target one may have different shaped or additional pillow. It is just different enough to be able to claim "exclusive"

[Cury-us Coyote]

I have this link http://i39.tinypic.com/2mcyrr9.jpg I know there are other links maybe with a better view of the blanket.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Any insight into removal of computer and its media from the 12/11 search warrant? Could the judge's decision be based on nothing new in the supporting document specifically from discovery site connected or justified its seizure (perhaps online meds, application programs to create lettering etc)? TIA

[breezie]

Or skip and scroll. Because unlike others here, I am not in need of any recognition for what I do for a living. I don't need applause or people revering me so badly that I have to disclose my profession. Let's just leave it at that. Skip and scroll is always an option.

boy, you sure think highly of yourself...lol. If you're going to opine like an expert, then expect to be challenged on it. But don't get your panties in a wad because someone dared to question it.

[steffaroob4]

I have this link http://i39.tinypic.com/2mcyrr9.jpg I know there are other links maybe with a better view of the blanket.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


Thanks, I found another a different view with the curatins (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/blanket/blanketcrib.jpg)

you might need to use a password to view= steffaroob4

Compare that to quilt to this image (http://i14.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/2b/b1/68da_1.JPG)

older pic of crib set with Caylee (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/blanket/cib2.jpg)

[Dogmatic]

This is excellent work, Shelbar! I saw more than one heart shaped sticker in that photo. I hope that LE is taking a look at that photo also. If it matches the sticker that was on that tape, Casey is sunk.


Is that Casey's phone in the picture, or her friends phone?

[?noanswer]

look at pic 4, see the stickers on the back of the phone...puffy and NOT made of paper. One is a heart sticker

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1873829/Casey-Anthony-Partying-Again

Wonder if KC put those on her phone. She plays with stickers & makes bead necklaces (I know people who are into making jewelry, but they don't use plastic beads). Sounds like maybe she never really grew up. No wonder she was jealous of Caylee. JMO

[5boxersmom]

Was there anything new in the Text messages that were released or were they the same ones we already saw? I tried to download them from Cury's link and my computer crashed. :sad:

tia

[Dells]

thanks to all who answered re: kronk & laundry bags etc...

My mind is blown!

Just don't even know what to say about all of this but it has become more and more obvious that Casey has laid the guilt trip on her parents for a long time.
If they ever had any sense, she most certainly took care of that issue over the last few years.
It really stands out to me in the latest jail video that she says..'i can't do anything in here..you have dad and lee and the HOUSE ..I could have been out of here and the opportunity was missed"

I am like OMG, she is guilting them for not getting her out and it really crossed my mind...would she have run given the chance? I think about that PR trip and wonder if she had only had the financial means....hmm

Yes, Casey certainly had tried to lay the guilt trip on everyone. I find it ironic considering she is the one that caused this whole mess to begin with. I am sure she feels that Cindy is guilty because she is the one who called 911 and reported Caylee missing, I am sure she feels George is guilty because he testified against her at the GJ. Heck, I am sure she thinks Caylee should feel guilty because she made Casey murder her. It's everyone's fault but Casey's. I just can't wait until she is found guilty and she puts the guilt trip on Baez because he couldn't get her off. Casey is a sorry excuse for a human being.:mad: