Thursday January 22nd - Part 1

[daHawg]

Did Lenny Padilla sign a contract with Nancy Grace? Why is he on there everynight? IMO, he serves NO purpose with his predictions....He is not LE, he is not connected to this case in any way....I'm surprised that LE haven't told [I]him[I] to be quiet....He really has nothing comcrete to say on the show......JMOO
This was my favorite little exchange of Padilla last night on NG. Sure shut him up real fast. :rolleyes:

Back to Leonard Padilla, you`ve got an interesting theory about what the duct tape will reveal?

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED LOOK FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: The duct tape at the -- and it`s a gentleman that teaches one of the colleges up in the northeast that was telling me that the duct tape will reveal traces of chloroform, oxygen, nitrogen, the gases that naturally breathe, if the tape was put on prior to death.

If it was put on post-mortem, chance are that they won`t show any of these. So it will be a very telling piece of evidence when they get down to it.

GRACE: Dr. Perper, is that possible? Can the -- can the duct tape have traces of the particles and the chemical compounds that are exhaled?

PERPER: Not in my opinion, because -- no, absolutely not because the oxygen or the carbon dioxide aren`t there anyway. Chloroform probably would evaporate and would be in small amount. I don`t believe that the tape is going to show anything.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/21/ng.01.html

[Neffy]

Good morning Regina, and I agree.

Two things stuck out for me...It sure doesn't seem that she expected to find Caylee with Casey at TonE's apartment, she didn't even ask where the child was anytime that she was there. (per TonE, his room mate nor Amy).
Second....Cindy had to come up with something because her co-workers were going to ask the next day. I find it interesting when I read Lee's version of the events in Casey's bedroom, and how it came to a 'kidnapping'. I think Cindy liked that theory...because instead of having to admit that Casey did anything to Caylee..the whole family became 'victims' at that point.
If Cindy had not called 911 to report the child as 'kidnapped'...what was she going to say when she went to work? It sure doesn't sound like the folks she talked to there were believing the Casey line even up until then...without a kidnapping story...she would have to face the fact that Casey had done something...anything.
Cindy could not have that with her 'perfect family' image...

Just my opinion of course..

The co-workers also validating Cindy's brother version of Casey's pregancy is beyond belief.

[joolz]

Once again im late for the party so dont know if this was discussed but I found it interesting. {plant job? oops did I say that outloud?}

1. Dr henry Lee first evidence inspection at 1018 Nov 14th
2. 1248 Dr Lee, Mr.Baez and Mr Phlegar left the forensic for lunch
3. Dr Henry Lee second evidence inspection at 1415
4. after the inspection we {LE} found the following trace evidence {3 hairs}
5. Dr. Lee third inspection of the evidence..Dr. Lee found a hair in the trunk
6. 1610 Dr Lee left the office
7. 1740 after dr. lee left, LE conducted a re-inspection of evidence {looks like several more hairs and fibers were found that were not there before.

Im reading it as, after Lee, Baez and Phlegar examined the evidence additional hairs and fibers were found by LE that weren't there before their little visit. {IMO}

starts on page 3205 of LE numbering

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf


:wink: Shel, you are OBVIOUSLY a veteran of the Phil Spector trial - so am I, and I had the exact same thought! Good old prince of the post-its Henry Lee, ketchup-spitting,evidence stealing/planting "expert."

Good morning everyone, second cup of coffee and coming up to speed.:biggrin:

[Jeepers]

I understand what you're saying completely Moto...I felt the same way.
Tho. some of the items at the dump site ( I'll not dignify it by calling it anything else...that's EXACTLY what it was to Casey IMO) seem to be left there "for" caylee by Casey...I don't think so for one second. Even Ricardo and Tony Lazarro's buddies knew that Caylee had a babydoll she took everywhere. The ONE thing everyone seemed to know she loved best was kept from her in her death. That, to me, seems to be one final cruelty.
There's no love in dumping your baby in a garbage sack, in the woods, with duct tape over her little mouth...heart sticker or no sticker, this was an act devoid of love for Caylee.
God bless that precious child! I suspect that her life had no more real love in it than the hollow gesture of a heart sticker as well!
JMO.

Very well said OneUp. God bless you too! the compassion on this board is so real and heartfelt. How could Cindy and George react so differently.
It was amazing to me to read the co-workers interviews yesterday. They knew Cindy personnally and we are all on the outside looking in and we knew Cindy by her actions and reactions better or just as well as her work buddies knew her.
They were saying the same stuff we have been saying and questioning yet Cindy and George took a path that has just stumped my brain.

[Neffy]

In the new docs there is information that cynthia told somebody that during one of her vacations, she, casey and Caylee were going away to "bond."


Happy Birthday, make sure you check out your birthday thread. :thumbsup:

OH I couldn't believe this when I read it. That's the story Cindy gave her mother about Casey and Caylee. They were going to bond!

[CC I See]

I am confused..

So could the knife have been used to kill that baby and because it never hit bone (which was what was left ) they cannot say that it was used? Or could they tell it was used even if it had been under water for that long?

And the clothes...were they the ones Caylee had on in the Fathers Day video or do we know??

It could have been used to kill her or it was used to cut the duct tape for her mouth. Caylee could have choked on her tears while crying which is what I think happened which will never show up in her remains. I also do not think that this was the first time she had duct tape put on her mouth to keep her quiet. I think the sticker was put there as a joke by her mother to appease Caylee. If you notice in the video taken at her great grandfathers Father's Day celebration, she kept moving her mouth oddly. Was this fear if she made too much noise? Something was definitely off with her on that day.... but then this is only my honest opinion and nothing more.

[KKKKKKatie]

:wink: Shel, you are OBVIOUSLY a veteran of the Phil Spector trial - so am I, and I had the exact same thought! Good old prince of the post-its Henry Lee, ketchup-spitting,evidence stealing/planting "expert."

Good morning everyone, second cup of coffee and coming up to speed.:biggrin:

Could he really be so stupid to try something like that again????

Oh...nevermind :rolleyes:

[Regina.Lampert]

NO. I don't think that even the OP really finds overdosing/incorrectly dosing a child to get her to sleep much more acceptable than intentional murder. There ARE certainly some who seem more "comfortable" with that than with a directly intentional act like smothering, esp. in the context of a parent harming a child. For the obvious reason that NO ONE wants to believe that bond of trust between parent and child is violated willingly and actively. It is a very basic taboo in our society ( and with good reason!).
Regardless of either method that ended in death...we are talking about an adult deciding that their need for freedom and privacy is more important than the very life of their child. Their own precious child that relies on them for protection and for the very fact of their existance! It's just heinous and inexcusable to me either way! I hope ANYONE who has every made the mistake of medicating their children for their own convenience takes heed and stops to think about how selfish that act really is...your few minutes of easy time could be the death of your child...even with OTC meds. It's crazy that apparently there ARE a significant number of perople who think the risk is worth the reward!
Sorry that turned into a mini lecture peeps! I just feel strongly too about the POV that dosing a child to sleep and the "accidental" death is somehow less ugly...either thing represents a vile level of self indulgence and lack of regard for the child IMO.
JMO.


Not to mention, it is "aggravated child abuse" which resulted in death and is one of the reasons she has been indicted for FIRST DEGREE murder. imo.

[AJandTam]

I agree with you 100%, don't get me wrong. I have just seen this happen. So I know it's possible. Casey may have did whatever she wanted with Caylee. We know she did for the simple fact that she had NO nanny, yet was leaving for work every day dropping Caylee off? I believe CA and GA loved Caylee and enjoyed her there, but in the end, she was Casey's child. The worries, I have younger kids and I can get mysself into a panic when it comes to worrying. None of it makes sense though. The dynamics of that family seem odd to alot of people.

Moto. I am going nuts w/this . Something is very wrong here. To many things are not adding up. The picture painted is inconsistant w/the actions taken. Not just during this 31 day time frame but the stories prior to this and leading up too.

[trich]

In the new docs there is information that cynthia told somebody that during one of her vacations, she, casey and Caylee were going away to "bond."


Happy Birthday, make sure you check out your birthday thread. :thumbsup:


How many tell others they are going on vacation with their daughter and grandaughter "To Bond".
what kind of talk is that?
(sort of says IMO that all these years they have never been close)

I would have said my daughter and grandaughter and myself are going away on vacation to chill out and ha ve some fun in the sun.

[Pat]

So in one case he "takes" the evidence in this case he is "adding" evidence??

Wouldn't surprise me at all......I am not a fan of Dr. Lee......

I read about that yesterday and was immediately suspicious. Could be without foundation, but after the Spector trial I won't believe anything Lee or MBaden say, unless it is backed up from an independent source.

[msgatorslayer]

The co-workers also validating Cindy's brother version of Casey's pregancy is beyond belief.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that tidbit. EVERYONE ELSE knew from looking at Casey, she was preggers. Cindy, the nurse, did not. OKAY!!:rolleyes:

[starling]

a TY to Kathlb for these photos at link thread:
Crime Scene Photos
http://www.rsxtaci.com/Caylee/
How sickening are all those ropes & orange barrels representing how her little body was carried away :( as LE said "no child deserves this"
Blunt question but ....
does Baez show Casey the graphic(password)photos before trial to prepare her?



JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Just goes to show....If her coworkers and boss were alarmed...how can the family not be? :confused:

Oh they were alarmed, plenty. They just chose to protect casey at the expense of Caylee and are still protecting casey and failing to get justice for Caylee, imo.

BTW, has Caylee been buried yet? :mad:

[Topaz423]

If the laundry bag was taken from the home, Cindy would know it. Heck I would know it, as I only have 2. For this reason I don't think the tot-monster would take that chance. You can easily buy one at sav-on. target etc. I'm super curious as to where she got it.
she would have taken the laundry bag from the house in a panic imo.

with the facts just as they are, the hair decomposing in the trunk, fluids from caylee in the trunk, chloroform present in elevated levels and the call for justice <by caylees nan>, triggered by a smell of decomposistion that grew and grew like the mountain of lies this defendant has spewed forth.

they may try to wriggle her free with the dream team her defense is pulling together...but imo she will and has worked herself right into the jailcell she currently resides...except where casey is going I truly doubt she will be the victim her lawyer is convincing her she is...
How else would he keep this going w/o conjoling her lies ? She has no defense!
What has she done?
never told a soul that her daughter was missing...
lost the phone number of the so called nanny that had her
never took a photo in four yrs of this person nanny
instead of a real nanny
potentially leaving her in a car alone at night knocked out with medication ....
If the so called joke about casey putting her to sleep with childrens meds was true, and I can totally believe that with her lack of care exhibited clearly for all of us to examine surely she could have put her baby to sleep. She thought it was funny and it worked. Than she heard of chloroform on her freinds website Rick Morales as he stated to police it was around the time of the internet search on her computer for chloroform. She looks it up and woolah has learned a new way to knock out her little snot head that she so easily called her daughter as she stated online about her beautiful little two year old....
This young little ball of energy that so tired casey out it was easier to work all day than be with Caylee she whined to her friend...
no matter what! she was going to do what she wanted...at any cost!
kill her daughter with chloroform
steal from her parents ,brother,grandparents,and best friends~
lie incessantly
constantly
make up complete stories all the time
from her parents giving her the house she lied to to AH
that they were going to live together in a month
how she had a job to all her friends,parents,police
that she was with caylee and zanny when in fact she was at TL
the whole zanny story
that caylee was alive still
preying on the love and integrity of her parents and all of us strangers...
as she lies more and more..
what if anything is true about this sick sick sick scum?
innocent until proven guilty,yes true
and believe me I cannot wait until it is over and casey is in the past
not on all our minds ....
she deserves nothing and I really wish they would stop showing her picture s all the time....
she turns my stomache
she is evil ,pure darkness ,believing her own lies.
with a mind like hers,she must have been a terrible person to live with...
can you imagine ?
She could have said anything and Cindy guilt ridden as she always seems would just appease her sweetheart liar
to the point of denying pregnancy at seven months along!
to an RN are you even kidding me?
This information made me really wonder about all of that anthony clan
the four folks on the denial band wagon.
casey has taught them well
eeeeeeeeeek
I have to say I rather liked seeing her upset in the 8/14 video....ranting about her being a victim just like all of them....
Jose has really done a good job at helping her stay in the fantasy
and the best part of all was when she bagan threatening her mother and father that she was going to walk away if they did not stop asking her questions and just listen to her...no one listens to me wah wah wah
flailing her fisti I'm sorry but I did enjoy the chuckle because rarely on this disturbing case have I had a chance to see her react at all and feel a tad reedeemed for little caylee ...who imo
has been lost in all the money
why would George and Cindy stand behind her?
money
love you say? yah right I do not buy that scenerio
I wish they were that in love with the accused murderer of the granddaughter they cherished
but
cindy even said
all i care about is caylee
where she's at
I do not care where casey is
so it has to be the money
always has been and always will be
they feel entitled after all the chit she has willing put them through
not just this case
but a life time of cases from casey
she is one huge head case we know
wow
what a world

scary

:crying:
the length is long thank you for listening

[joolz]

Could he really be so stupid to try something like that again????

Oh...nevermind :rolleyes:

:laugh: There you go again, Katie, correctly answering your own questions!!!!

[msgatorslayer]

How many tell others they are going on vacation with their daughter and grandaughter "To Bond".
what kind of talk is that?
(sort of says IMO that all these years they have never been close)

I would have said my daughter and grandaughter and myself are going away on vacation to chill out and ha ve some fun in the sun.

It's another Cindyism, Trich. She has an odd way with words, ya know?

I think it translates into what was to be a deep conversation about problems that Casey was causing.

[Barbara fl.]

I like him.....He isn't always right.but he adds character to the show....imo



Yah, he adds character alright....He is a character....It seems as though he has become obsessed with this case yet he can not understand the MR obsession.....

I think he's just jealous that he didn't find Caylee's remains.....JMO of course....

[NYGalPal]

Oh they were alarmed, plenty. They just chose to protect casey at the expense of Caylee and are still protecting casey and failing to get justice for Caylee, imo.

BTW, has Caylee been buried yet? :mad:

Stick them in the same jail cell as Casey.

I'm starting to doubt Caylee will ever be put to rest.

ot: it isn't my b-day

[BJames]

The co-workers also validating Cindy's brother version of Casey's pregancy is beyond belief.

I have a vision of a 7 months pregnant Casey screaming at her mother Cindy..'You don't know that I'm pregnant...YOU don't know what is going on...!!...You have to have sex to get pregnant...!!'
And Cindy just cowering away from her...what the heck could she really say? If Casey wasn't even 'admitting' to being pregnant....she honestly believes that denial will fix everything...
Hence all of the denial to LE in this case...it has always worked for her before. This time it wasn't her parents she was snowing...although I wonder if Cindy had not called 911 that last time, what story would they still be believing now?
Would she have been off somewhere (California?)...and Cindy would still be saying/thinking that she was just holding Caylee against them?

Just my opinion of course...

[floridamom]

It is ashame that people think that medicating a child to sleep is OK. I HAD a friend that used to do that and laugh about it. I confronted her and she truly thought it was OK. We both took our children to the same pediatrician. I called him and he called DCF. That was the beginning of the end for her. After investigating they found she was addicted to OXY-the MOM- and they removed both her children temp during the investigation. after she was allowed visitation she got a fraudulent passport for her daughter and tried to take her to Amsterdam. The only reason she was stopped was because she dropped the other older child with me and wouldn't tell me when she was coming back or where she was going. The FBI stopped her at Oralndo International Airport and took children away for good. THANK GOD. Prior to all this coming out she was a wealthy upstanding member of her church, a successful business owner and considered to be a good mom. Appearances are soooooo decieving.

[CelticDawn]

Once again im late for the party so dont know if this was discussed but I found it interesting. {plant job? oops did I say that outloud?}

1. Dr henry Lee first evidence inspection at 1018 Nov 14th
2. 1248 Dr Lee, Mr.Baez and Mr Phlegar left the forensic for lunch
3. Dr Henry Lee second evidence inspection at 1415
4. after the inspection we {LE} found the following trace evidence {3 hairs}
5. Dr. Lee third inspection of the evidence..Dr. Lee found a hair in the trunk
6. 1610 Dr Lee left the office
7. 1740 after dr. lee left, LE conducted a re-inspection of evidence {looks like several more hairs and fibers were found that were not there before.

Im reading it as, after Lee, Baez and Phlegar examined the evidence additional hairs and fibers were found by LE that weren't there before their little visit. {IMO}

starts on page 3205 of LE numbering

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf



surprise...surprise....surprise...!!! NOT


It figures something would show up that LE FBI the tooth fairy didnt find...!!!



Ill believe it when Im dead and all-knowing and the facts are verified by God himself....


How many of us expected the "ESTEEMED" doctor to find something new...???

[joolz]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that tidbit. EVERYONE ELSE knew from looking at Casey, she was preggers. Cindy, the nurse, did not. OKAY!!:rolleyes:

A couple of days ago Mimi posted a link to an article about cognitive dissonance when I asked a question about denial. Basically (and this is my verrrrrry simple version) it's having two clashing ideas in your mind at the same time - the truth and another one - that are both very strong.

So it would be like Cindy seeing that Casey was pregnant, but having such a strong belief that her daughter didn't have sex that the fact of the pregnancy would get buried under the need to believe that she couldn't be.

I think this kind of bizarre thinking goes a long way to explaining a whole lot of what was going on with the Anthonys (Cindy, especially). I also think it's just such a freaky way of dealing with things that it's hard for most of us to wrap our minds around it.

Sorry if this is garbled, I'll try to find the link for anyone who wants to read it because it's fascinating stuff. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Oh they were alarmed, plenty. They just chose to protect casey at the expense of Caylee and are still protecting casey and failing to get justice for Caylee, imo.

BTW, has Caylee been buried yet? :mad:


And I will never buy the accident therory...Any mother who accidently killed her child could and would NOT be able to just go hang out and forget about her prescious child.....To me, it's a dead give away that this was premediated....JMO

[shelbar53]

Topaz, tell us how you really feel. :biggrin:

I agree now that the A's see all the money that can be had, they feel a sense of entitlement, because: look at everything casey has put them through, darn near got them in the poorhouse.

[jammies]

George said he did ask Casey about Caylee on the 24th, whether or not it's true, or if he even saw her that day is another question.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So as best you can tell, it happened between the 22nd and the 24th. someone broke in there.

GEORGE ANTHONY: Uh-huh.

That's when I saw my daughter. I was getting ready to go to work, and the garage door goes open and my daughter comes in. This is about 2:25, 2:30 in the afternoon on the 24th. As she comes in the house, and I said, Hey, how're you doing? And she says, Fine, Dad. I says, Well, what's going on? And she says, Oh, I'm just stopping home for about 10 minutes, get some clothes. I go to go back to work. Where's Caylee? She's with Zanny. And I said, OK, when are you guys coming home? She says, Oh, we'll be back home maybe late tonight or the next day.

I said, OK. Have you been talking to Mom? Oh, yes, I talk to Mom every day. I said, I know, but did you talk to Mom today? She sort of hesitated for a moment and she says, Yes. And she says, Oh, by the way, it's a shame what happened in the shed. And I said...


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

Thanks, elle. He sure doesn't come across as very interested, does he? If they were in a panic at that point, why didn't he follow her? I just don't understand their attitude.
On one hand Cindy is supposedly going crazy with worry yet on the other, there's nonchalant GA shootin' the breeze with Casey. What exactly was going on here?

[Pat]

Think we will ever see George and Cindy hold a presser now that these documents have been released?

[MichelleP]

a TY to Kathlb for these photos at link thread:
Crime Scene Photos
http://www.rsxtaci.com/Caylee/
How sickening are all those ropes & orange barrels representing how her little body was carried away :( as LE said "no child deserves this"
Blunt question but ....
does Baez show Casey the graphic(password)photos before trial to prepare her?



JMO

It looks like to me that those orange containers contain dirt and shrubs?

[Barbara fl.]

Stick them in the same jail cell as Casey.

I'm starting to doubt Caylee will ever be put to rest.

ot: it isn't my b-day


For some strange reason I have a feeling that Caylee has already been cremated and Cindy and George have her ashes....Of course, I could be wrong.....(I often am).....but it's just my feeling....

[shelbar53]

A couple of days ago Mimi posted a link to an article about cognitive dissonance when I asked a question about denial. Basically (and this is my verrrrrry simple version) it's having two clashing ideas in your mind at the same time - the truth and another one - that are both very strong.

So it would be like Cindy seeing that Casey was pregnant, but having such a strong belief that her daughter didn't have sex that the fact of the pregnancy would get buried under the need to believe that she couldn't be.

I think this kind of bizarre thinking goes a long way to explaining a whole lot of what was going on with the Anthonys (Cindy, especially). I also think it's just such a freaky way of dealing with things that it's hard for most of us to wrap our minds around it.

Sorry if this is garbled, I'll try to find the link for anyone who wants to read it because it's fascinating stuff. jmo


If cindy didnt acknowledge her daughter was pregnant then she wouldnt have to answer all the normal pregnancy related questions people ask. Who's the father, are they going to get married, do you get along with the dads parents..you know regular office chit chat.

[NYGalPal]

Think we will ever see George and Cindy hold a presser now that these documents have been released?

To tell us more lies only. Sure, Cindy can't help herself.

[Barbara fl.]

Think we will ever see George and Cindy hold a presser now that these documents have been released?


Doubt it......:thumbdown:

[NYGalPal]

For some strange reason I have a feeling that Caylee has already been cremated and Cindy and George have her ashes....Of course, I could be wrong.....(I often am).....but it's just my feeling....

I hope you are right. Can't stand the thought of her being left forgotten in a box.

[msgatorslayer]

Think we will ever see George and Cindy hold a presser now that these documents have been released?

IF we do, it will be the same ole banter. I think that is why they have chosen to keep quiet. They've been looking awfully stupid for months now. To continue with the bla, bla, bla, is pointless. Caylee has been found and the evidence suggesting Casey killed her is overwhelming.

[joolz]

If cindy didnt acknowledge her daughter was pregnant then she wouldnt have to answer all the normal pregnancy related questions people ask. Who's the father, are they going to get married, do you get along with the dads parents..you know regular office chit chat.

Here's the link to the article on cognitive dissonance:

http://www.learningandteaching.info/...dissonance.htm

[nana6]

Very well said OneUp. God bless you too! the compassion on this board is so real and heartfelt. How could Cindy and George react so differently.
It was amazing to me to read the co-workers interviews yesterday. They knew Cindy personnally and we are all on the outside looking in and we knew Cindy by her actions and reactions better or just as well as her work buddies knew her.
They were saying the same stuff we have been saying and questioning yet Cindy and George took a path that has just stumped my brain.

Good morning Jeepers, Yes it is all so sad and strange at the same time. It is also amazing to me that none of the co workers for Cindy that I know of have spoken to any press since this all happened. Now that is amazing because you would think that someone would talk,. I do not think we ever even heard of a neighbor coming in to them with dinner either. Maybe they just stayed to themselves. I do hope someone is checking on c and g at this time though. Maybe a welfare check of some sort. I do not think they have been heard from have they? I guess Lee is there now-woner if he and Mallory are still together?

[CelticDawn]

Think we will ever see George and Cindy hold a presser now that these documents have been released?



I doubt it....but I could be wrong...Ive been wrong alot these days <about life in general>


I think they are in a huddle trying to come up with some way of saving =face.....but IF THEY SEND THAT CONWAY CHARACTER OUT TO DO IT he will screw it up just as badly OR WORSE than they would....He hasmanaged to make them look even worse!

[farrahrani]

Yes, this is very correct. There is something bad wrong w/the big picture here. G and C's stories don't match thier actions and they don't match Casey's either. Miss Self Centered who is in total control of her parents actually drags a small child out to the parties w/her... G and C have planted ideas in everyones head, and everyones going w/those ideas.. It doesn't add up.. somethings wrong here.


IMO

If I didn't want my parents to know about my wild partying lifestyle, I'd take my kid everywhere too. Plus she claimed she had a nanny that seemed to be available 24/7. The last thing she would do, if she wanted to keep up the facade of responsible working mom, is say, "Hey mom, I'm going to a party at a friends, and I don't want Caylee around all the (insert pot, booze, or drug of choice here) Can you watch her overnight?"

[msgatorslayer]

A couple of days ago Mimi posted a link to an article about cognitive dissonance when I asked a question about denial. Basically (and this is my verrrrrry simple version) it's having two clashing ideas in your mind at the same time - the truth and another one - that are both very strong.

So it would be like Cindy seeing that Casey was pregnant, but having such a strong belief that her daughter didn't have sex that the fact of the pregnancy would get buried under the need to believe that she couldn't be.

I think this kind of bizarre thinking goes a long way to explaining a whole lot of what was going on with the Anthonys (Cindy, especially). I also think it's just such a freaky way of dealing with things that it's hard for most of us to wrap our minds around it.

Sorry if this is garbled, I'll try to find the link for anyone who wants to read it because it's fascinating stuff. jmo

I understand what your saying. And yes, it does explain Cindy's actions, reactions, and lack of.

[Jeepers]

she would have taken the laundry bag from the house in a panic imo.

with the facts just as they are, the hair decomposing in the trunk, fluids from caylee in the trunk, chloroform present in elevated levels and the call for justice <by caylees nan>, triggered by a smell of decomposistion that grew and grew like the mountain of lies this defendant has spewed forth.

they may try to wriggle her free with the dream team her defense is pulling together...but imo she will and has worked herself right into the jailcell she currently resides...except where casey is going I truly doubt she will be the victim her lawyer is convincing her she is...
How else would he keep this going w/o conjoling her lies ? She has no defense!
What has she done?
never told a soul that her daughter was missing...
lost the phone number of the so called nanny that had her
never took a photo in four yrs of this person nanny
instead of a real nanny
potentially leaving her in a car alone at night knocked out with medication ....
If the so called joke about casey putting her to sleep with childrens meds was true, and I can totally believe that with her lack of care exhibited clearly for all of us to examine surely she could have put her baby to sleep. She thought it was funny and it worked. Than she heard of chloroform on her freinds website Rick Morales as he stated to police it was around the time of the internet search on her computer for chloroform. She looks it up and woolah has learned a new way to knock out her little snot head that she so easily called her daughter as she stated online about her beautiful little two year old....
This young little ball of energy that so tired casey out it was easier to work all day than be with Caylee she whined to her friend...
no matter what! she was going to do what she wanted...at any cost!
kill her daughter with chloroform
steal from her parents ,brother,grandparents,and best friends~
lie incessantly
constantly
make up complete stories all the time
from her parents giving her the house she lied to to AH
that they were going to live together in a month
how she had a job to all her friends,parents,police
that she was with caylee and zanny when in fact she was at TL
the whole zanny story
that caylee was alive still
preying on the love and integrity of her parents and all of us strangers...
as she lies more and more..
what if anything is true about this sick sick sick scum?
innocent until proven guilty,yes true
and believe me I cannot wait until it is over and casey is in the past
not on all our minds ....
she deserves nothing and I really wish they would stop showing her picture s all the time....
she turns my stomache
she is evil ,pure darkness ,believing her own lies.
with a mind like hers,she must have been a terrible person to live with...
can you imagine ?
She could have said anything and Cindy guilt ridden as she always seems would just appease her sweetheart liar
to the point of denying pregnancy at seven months along!
to an RN are you even kidding me?
This information made me really wonder about all of that anthony clan
the four folks on the denial band wagon.
casey has taught them well
eeeeeeeeeek
I have to say I rather liked seeing her upset in the 8/14 video....ranting about her being a victim just like all of them....
Jose has really done a good job at helping her stay in the fantasy
and the best part of all was when she bagan threatening her mother and father that she was going to walk away if they did not stop asking her questions and just listen to her...no one listens to me wah wah wah
flailing her fisti I'm sorry but I did enjoy the chuckle because rarely on this disturbing case have I had a chance to see her react at all and feel a tad reedeemed for little caylee ...who imo
has been lost in all the money
why would George and Cindy stand behind her?
money
love you say? yah right I do not buy that scenerio
I wish they were that in love with the accused murderer of the granddaughter they cherished
but
cindy even said
all i care about is caylee
where she's at
I do not care where casey is
so it has to be the money
always has been and always will be
they feel entitled after all the chit she has willing put them through
not just this case
but a life time of cases from casey
she is one huge head case we know
wow
what a world

scary

:crying:
the length is long thank you for listening

Good morning Topaz, We all have a lot on our minds today. I just wished that someone in the fab4 would have just stepped up to the plate for Caylee. I always thought it would have been George but, on LKL he ended my hope. I have never felt the same about him since. I just knew he would have been the one but, he could not do it.
So very sad, I just don't like stuff hanging over my head. I can't take lying and covering I just can't live like that. The burdens they must carry. Or shall I say I would not be able to live with those burdens. Maybe they are ok with it. I don't know them.

[crymeariver2006]

For some strange reason I have a feeling that Caylee has already been cremated and Cindy and George have her ashes....Of course, I could be wrong.....(I often am).....but it's just my feeling....

I have a feeling that Casey has not released those remains to her parents. Remember Baez stating in the last hearing that HE was in charge of them (or something to that effect). And this was after the second autopsy had been completed.

That would be Casey's final act of defiance toward her mother where Caylee was concerned.

But, like you, it's just a feeling that I have.

[psbperu]

Not to mention, it is "aggravated child abuse" which resulted in death and is one of the reasons she has been indicted for FIRST DEGREE murder. imo.


Guess it will be a cold day in you know where before Casey Anthony confesses to her motivation and actions in this horrendous crime.

Hard to believe she apparently will put her parents/brother/friends etc. thru a trial that will take such an emotional toll on them.

There is so much information in the documents that were just released that it is hard to take it all in. I don't understand how she maintained her friendships when some of her friends stated they know she is a "habitual liar".

I wish she would own up & take the consequences of what to me looks like an open & shut case.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Topaz, tell us how you really feel. :biggrin:

I agree now that the A's see all the money that can be had, they feel a sense of entitlement, because: look at everything casey has put them through, darn near got them in the poorhouse.


I do tend to believe that money is what's on their mind right now....They also listen closely to see if anyone else is making money off of this and that infuriates them.....

But I personally don't see how a movie could be made of this mess....maybe a series....."Casey's lies" staring the MR and special guest "Zenaida Gonzalez".....and whoever else joins in....

But what I'm not sure about is...why would anyone have to get a contract for a movie deal.....Once she is convicted, I believe that a movie can be made without permission from anyone....I think anyway...The story is public knowledge....just like a book being writen...I could be wrong though......(you know me)....:unsure:

[shelbar53]

Think we will ever see George and Cindy hold a presser now that these documents have been released?

I was out all afternoon and evening yesterday but I was thinking about just that question. We havent seen them since caylee's body was found doubled bagged and dumped like trash.

I wonder if LE gave them a heads up weeks ago about the winnie the pooh blanket and heart sticker, or did they find out like us? maybe thats why LE went to their house on 1/16 to tell them because they knew it was going to be released.

After the way they behaved and supported casey saying she was innocent blah blah blah, how can they show their head in public.

The A's played the game all wrong. if they would have behaved like grieving grandparents and supported their daughter in love only..but didnt say she was innocent and look over here for an alive caylee, no look there, wait look up, no look down, jessie did it, annie did it, invisible nanny did it, and all us are maggots and give us $10 for a tshirt and put nickles and dimes in our collection jar, and call the wrong number to report a tip. Now what was my point??? Oh yeah, they would have had the worlds sympathy...now they have to walk around in shame.

[starling]

And I will never buy the accident therory...Any mother who accidently killed her child could and would NOT be able to just go hang out and forget about her prescious child.....To me, it's a dead give away that this was premediated....JMO

TG the murderer is lazy,cheap & a thief as everything connected to the crime prob came from a place she inserted herself into including a neighbor's shovel & an apartment inquire card!
JMO

[Neffy]

Stick them in the same jail cell as Casey.

I'm starting to doubt Caylee will ever be put to rest.

ot: it isn't my b-day

ITA! Massive cover up going. I'm sure getting proof of obstruction won't be a problem.

The cost of what this whole fiasco has run up makes me ill.

I'm wondering if perhaps that's the reason nothing been done regarding George and Cindy.

O/T It is now! :lol:

[NikkiG77058]

I am confused..

So could the knife have been used to kill that baby and because it never hit bone (which was what was left ) they cannot say that it was used? Or could they tell it was used even if it had been under water for that long?

And the clothes...were they the ones Caylee had on in the Fathers Day video or do we know??

Good morning!! I am curious about this same thing. I would like to know if the knife was used to kill Caylee, even though it had been submerged in water for a long period of time, would forensics be able to identify blood on the knife.

Second, since the knife was in the bag, knowing the condition Caylee was in, would forensics be able to distinguish between blood and whatever fluids are expelled after death?

TIA

[nana6]

IMO

If I didn't want my parents to know about my wild partying lifestyle, I'd take my kid everywhere too. Plus she claimed she had a nanny that seemed to be available 24/7. The last thing she would do, if she wanted to keep up the facade of responsible working mom, is say, "Hey mom, I'm going to a party at a friends, and I don't want Caylee around all the (insert pot, booze, or drug of choice here) Can you watch her overnight?"

But, Casey and Caylee lived with C and G. As a grandmother I sure would speak u p to my daughter and tell her that she was NOT dragging Caylee out at night to a Nanny's when she could stay right here at home with us. Now that was strange to me.

[Jeepers]

Think we will ever see George and Cindy hold a presser now that these documents have been released?

I don't think so, I think anything coming out of the A's camp comes from Mr. Conway their attorney. jmo
I would hate for them to hold a presser saying they are being discriminated against for being Italian. That would not look good either.

[aubrey04]

Not directing this at you but using the word "you" in a general context. I don't understand why some find overdosing a child into sleep as more acceptable than killing a child? How can you "accidently" overdose and kill a child when you are giving them medications they aren't supposed to have? Maybe Casey gave Caylee xanax 99 times before the 100th time it killed her, That doesn't excuse the 99 times before nor does it make the 100th time an "accident". IF she od'd her daughter with any substance, it equates to murder in my book. Am I missing something here?

JMO

That's why back when I believed Caylee OD'ed -- I would purposely use the word "unintentional" VS accidental. Because I absolutely 100% agree. Drugging a child with illegal substances or with such a strong OTC substance that the child dies is NOT an accident. However, it could have been unintentional.. meaning Casey did not mean for Caylee to die. Sort of like a drunk driver killing someone.. it might have been unintended, but not an accident since the driver purposely drank alcohol and then drove a vehicle.

However the duct tape around the skull has me reconsidering the theory I had stuck to for 5 months..

[Lavenia]

Did ya'll see these photos on Casey's cell phone?

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/pictures-found-on-casey-anthonys-cell-phone/

[Barbara fl.]

I have a feeling that Casey has not released those remains to her parents. Remember Baez stating in the last hearing that HE was in charge of them (or something to that effect). And this was after the second autopsy had been completed.

That would be Casey's final act of defiance toward her mother where Caylee was concerned.

But, like you, it's just a feeling that I have.


If Casey actually made Baez in charge of Caylee's remains....I would NEVER forgive such a thing...daughter or no daughter....that would be the final point....(of course murdering Caylee would actually be the final point) but I would never look at my daughter again if she did that.....

But, I see your point...that is a possibility....

So are they going to hold the remains at the FH for an appeal? What is the purpose? I just don't get it....so much bazaar things in this case for me to keep up with.....

Everytime I hear something new, I just throw my hands up....

[NYGalPal]

ITA! Massive cover up going. I'm sure getting proof of obstruction won't be a problem.

The cost of what this whole fiasco has run up makes me ill.

I'm wondering if perhaps that's the reason nothing been done regarding George and Cindy.

O/T It is now! :lol:

Personally I could care less how much more it costs to get the justice Caylee deserves. Can't imagine letting them off because of the almighty dollar.

o/t: ok, I'll take cash gifts only. Thank you.

[Grins]

Something odd here:
Notice what the SA has released and not released.
"While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, Va. the latent print unit noticed residue in a perfect shape of a heart..."
yes
but what about any fingerprints on the duct tape? You are the FBI latent print unit. You must have a report that says what prints were found or no prints were found.
Where is it? SA has it=if all is public access produce it.
D asked for all Discovery in October 2008.
FBI had the tape over a month now.

[nana6]

That's why back when I believed Caylee OD'ed -- I would purposely use the word "unintentional" VS accidental. Because I absolutely 100% agree. Drugging a child with illegal substances or with such a strong OTC substance that the child dies is NOT an accident. However, it could have been unintentional.. meaning Casey did not mean for Caylee to die. Sort of like a drunk driver killing someone.. it might have been unintended, but not an accident since the driver purposely drank alcohol and then drove a vehicle.

However the duct tape around the skull has me reconsidering the theory I had stuck to for 5 months..

Yes the duct tape is very telling imo/ I wonder if it was used the night of the 15th in the house after they all went to bed so no one would hear her. Then maybe she was placed in the bag I don't know. I do know one thing that was an evil place for little Caylee to reside. all imo of course

[shelbar53]

Good morning!! I am curious about this same thing. I would like to know if the knife was used to kill Caylee, even though it had been submerged in water for a long period of time, would forensics be able to identify blood on the knife.

Second, since the knife was in the bag, knowing the condition Caylee was in, would forensics be able to distinguish between blood and whatever fluids are expelled after death?

TIA

IF you go back and look at the evidence, to me it seems like the knife was found with the car...that there was just one knife not 2. Look specifically at the evidence recording number..its the same for both so I think its the knife that was in the car. And no blood was found anywhere.

[Jeepers]

I do tend to believe that money is what's on their mind right now....They also listen closely to see if anyone else is making money off of this and that infuriates them.....

But I personally don't see how a movie could be made of this mess....maybe a series....."Casey's lies" staring the MR and special guest "Zenaida Gonzalez".....and whoever else joins in....

But what I'm not sure about is...why would anyone have to get a contract for a movie deal.....Once she is convicted, I believe that a movie can be made without permission from anyone....I think anyway...The story is public knowledge....just like a book being writen...I could be wrong though......(you know me)....:unsure:

Barbara, that is what really gets to them is someone else making money, their money. Its all about them.
I wonder who would play the part of Zanny? would it be Zanny or no.. not that Zanny the other Zanny. Hollywood could not have dreamed this up in a lifetime.

[cassidy]

But, Casey and Caylee lived with C and G. As a grandmother I sure would speak u p to my daughter and tell her that she was NOT dragging Caylee out at night to a Nanny's when she could stay right here at home with us. Now that was strange to me.


My son lives with us with his almost 3 year old daughter. If he wants to go out at night, she stays here with us. He doesn't do it often but he does need to get out too. It does seem strange to me that Cindy and George let Casey take Caylee to a "nanny's" instead of putting her to bed there. Would have saved a lot of money on "nanny fees" too. I wonder if, when Casey claimed she was taking Caylee to the "nanny's", she picked her up at 3 or 4 AM and brought her home with her? Nope, doesn't make any sense at all.

JMO

[Neffy]

Did ya'll see these photos on Casey's cell phone?

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/pictures-found-on-casey-anthonys-cell-phone/

Tx will look in a minute.

All those calls and that BILL!

Now I barely use my cell. I have up to 6 incoming lines plus my home phone so I'm on the phone all day long. So when I go out the last thing I want to hear is any phone ring so maybe I'm jaded.

My sons pay there own bill and I tell you their bill is NO WHERE near that.

[farrahrani]

But, Casey and Caylee lived with C and G. As a grandmother I sure would speak u p to my daughter and tell her that she was NOT dragging Caylee out at night to a Nanny's when she could stay right here at home with us. Now that was strange to me.

Everything about this case is strange. I have a hard time keeping track of where Casey was living at what point in time. I was under the impression she was living at her bf's house. Either way, she could have said, 'oh mom, I'm invited to a company dinner/get together, or a coworker or friend is having a dinner party and bringing their kids, we'll probably stay overnight or at Zanni's see you tomorrow,"

That somehow sounds better than, 'yeah i'm gonna be out partying all night, and won't be home till tomorrow"

I dunno...I'm trying to see it from a compulsive liar with illusions of grandeur's point of view :tongueside:

JMO

[aubrey04]

What about when George and Cindy were on Larry King Live the night before Caylee's body was found and George said this to Larry King:

KING: Where do you think she is, George?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, Caylee? She's with hopefully a loving family that's taking care of her.

CINDY ANTHONY: We got a tip today.

KING: Today?

CINDY ANTHONY: Today, at 4:00 today. Right now, being investigated by --

KING: What was the tip?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html

:blink:

[Barbara fl.]

Something odd here:
Notice what the SA has released and not released.
"While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, Va. the latent print unitnoticed residue in a perfect shape of a heart..."
yes
but what about any fingerprints on the duct tape? You are the FBI latent print unit. You must have a report that says what prints were found or no prints were found.
Where is it? SA has it=if all is public access produce it.
D asked for all Discovery in October 2008.


If duct tape was used, the odds are good for fingerprints...however, it was all submerged in water and they had to cut the tape off of Caylee, I would be surprised if it destroyed any fingerprints and this could be why they are connecting the dots with the articles found in the bag to the Anthony house.....

In any case, I truly believe that nothing else is needed to convict....Scott Peterson was convicted on less and got the DP....I really do not see any problem, seeing as Casey was charged with murder one before a body was even found......

My belief is that the prosecution has a pretty solid case....

[farrahrani]

My son lives with us with his almost 3 year old daughter. If he wants to go out at night, she stays here with us. He doesn't do it often but he does need to get out too. It does seem strange to me that Cindy and George let Casey take Caylee to a "nanny's" instead of putting her to bed there. Would have saved a lot of money on "nanny fees" too. I wonder if, when Casey claimed she was taking Caylee to the "nanny's", she picked her up at 3 or 4 AM and brought her home with her? Nope, doesn't make any sense at all.

JMO

Yeah, but your son sounds normal, lol. Trying to compare him to Casey is like apples and oranges. :rolleyes:

If she was out partying every night, the last thing she would want is to let her mom know how often it was going on.

Who knows why Casey did the things she did?

[cassidy]

If duct tape was used, the odds are good for fingerprints...however, it was all submerged in water and they had to cut the tape off of Caylee, I would be surprised if it destroyed any fingerprints and this could be why they are connecting the dots with the articles found in the bag to the Anthony house.....

In any case, I truly believe that nothing else is needed to convict....Scott Peterson was convicted on less and got the DP....I really do not see any problem, seeing as Casey was charged with murder one before a body was even found......

My belief is that the prosecution has a pretty solid case....

And I believe that you are right on that :)

[aubrey04]

Yes the duct tape is very telling imo/ I wonder if it was used the night of the 15th in the house after they all went to bed so no one would hear her. Then maybe she was placed in the bag I don't know. I do know one thing that was an evil place for little Caylee to reside. all imo of course

I think most would agree with you. :( The duct tape really makes my mind wander to places that I don't wish it to go, so I automatically stop myself from thinking too much about it. All I know is that I am not longer firm on the "unintentional OD" scenario because of the duct tape.

And the heart sticker is really freaky. Like Katprint said yesterday -- it is reminiscent of the picture on the front of the "Silence of the Lambs" movie --with the butterfly over the mouth. Creepy...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/profesor_moriarty/2138258583/

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara, that is what really gets to them is someone else making money, their money. Its all about them.
I wonder who would play the part of Zanny? would it be Zanny or no.. not that Zanny the other Zanny. Hollywood could not have dreamed this up in a lifetime.



I agree....this is a NEW one for hollywood......and they are ALL such actor's they could all probably play themselves.....all except Casey (she'll be in prison).....:biggrin:

[Neffy]

Did ya'll see these photos on Casey's cell phone?

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/pictures-found-on-casey-anthonys-cell-phone/

AH I remember those. What's always struck me is nothing recent.

[cassidy]

Yeah, but your son sounds normal, lol. Trying to compare him to Casey is like apples and oranges. :rolleyes:

If she was out partying every night, the last thing she would want is to let her mom know how often it was going on.

Who knows why Casey did the things she did?

Betcha that Cindy and George were paying the "nanny fees" and Casey was pocketing the money. When that wasn't enough she started stealing from people.

JMO

[nana6]

If duct tape was used, the odds are good for fingerprints...however, it was all submerged in water and they had to cut the tape off of Caylee, I would be surprised if it destroyed any fingerprints and this could be why they are connecting the dots with the articles found in the bag to the Anthony house.....

In any case, I truly believe that nothing else is needed to convict....Scott Peterson was convicted on less and got the DP....I really do not see any problem, seeing as Casey was charged with murder one before a body was even found......

My belief is that the prosecution has a pretty solid case....

Hi Barb, Amen to that!!! I am sure they do and just wait, I think we will see much more that LE has in the months to come.

[Motomom]

Not directing this at you but using the word "you" in a general context. I don't understand why some find overdosing a child into sleep as more acceptable than killing a child? How can you "accidently" overdose and kill a child when you are giving them medications they aren't supposed to have? Maybe Casey gave Caylee xanax 99 times before the 100th time it killed her, That doesn't excuse the 99 times before nor does it make the 100th time an "accident". IF she od'd her daughter with any substance, it equates to murder in my book. Am I missing something here?

JMO


I don't think you accidently overdose, at least not somebody like Casey. I think it's murder, overdose or cholorform whatever, I think she killed her and don't believe it was accidental. It is easier on the mind, for me at least. I hate to think of those last moments of fear, it's easier to think she was asleep..if that makes any sense.

[Barbara fl.]

Betcha that Cindy and George were paying the "nanny fees" and Casey was pocketing the money. When that wasn't enough she started stealing from people.

JMO



WITHOUT a doubt..........

[NYGalPal]

What about when George and Cindy were on Larry King Live the night before Caylee's body was found and George said this to Larry King:



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html

:blink:

Waaaaaaay to calm this George is. barf

[aubrey04]

Something odd here:
Notice what the SA has released and not released.
"While processing the duct tape at the FBI lab in Quantico, Va. the latent print unit noticed residue in a perfect shape of a heart..."
yes
but what about any fingerprints on the duct tape? You are the FBI latent print unit. You must have a report that says what prints were found or no prints were found.
Where is it? SA has it=if all is public access produce it.
D asked for all Discovery in October 2008.
FBI had the tape over a month now.

The last hearing that I witnessed -- the DA's office said they have no control over what the FBI releases. Actually I have heard the same argument from the DA's office in previous hearings - they don't have any control over the FBI.

I was a little surprised to even have FBI reports this time around - they have been really quiet throughout this investigation. Although they did release interviews with George and Cindy finally.

I am interested in the fingerprint too.

[Lavenia]

AH I remember those. What's always struck me is nothing recent.

I don't remember seeing those before. I must have blinked! :laugh:

[NikkiG77058]

IF you go back and look at the evidence, to me it seems like the knife was found with the car...that there was just one knife not 2. Look specifically at the evidence recording number..its the same for both so I think its the knife that was in the car. And no blood was found anywhere.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Investigators say a heart-shaped sticker was intentionally stuck to the duct tape that was found over Caylee's mouth area. Both ends of the duct tape were stuck to Caylee's hair and her hair had to be cut to separate the duct tape, according to documents released Wednesday. Investigators also found a heart-shaped sticker at the scene (details here - page 15).

The new documents show that Caylee's body was in a cloth laundry bag, which was then placed into a black trash bag. They also found a size three toddler shirt, white shorts with vertical stripes, and a Winnie the Pooh blanket. Also inside the bag was a backpack with the word "adorable" on it and pull-ups with a flower design. Investigators also found a stainless steel knife.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/de...11050101212009

I can't tell if the knife was found in the car or with the remains, though I understood it to have been found with the remains. Should this be the case, I am curious about forensics being able to distinguish between blood and post mortem fluids. I realize no 'visible' blood was found at the scene but that doesn't mean the knife wasn't rinsed off.

TIA!!

[BJames]

I am hoping that even if they did find duct tape at the Anthony home, that they also collected whatever Amy used her tape on.
It was said at one point that Amy mentioned to Casey (MySpace?) that she would like her duct tape returned...I hope LE followed up on that...thus far they have been very thorough.

Just my opinion of course...

[starling]

It looks like to me that those orange containers contain dirt and shrubs?

It looked, to me, like the orange barrels were the ones that the FBI team were bringing to the mesh area to sift through for bones or evidence.
JMO

[playnice]

I think most would agree with you. :( The duct tape really makes my mind wander to places that I don't wish it to go, so I automatically stop myself from thinking too much about it. All I know is that I am not longer firm on the "unintentional OD" scenario because of the duct tape.

And the heart sticker is really freaky. Like Katprint said yesterday -- it is reminiscent of the picture on the front of the "Silence of the Lambs" movie --with the butterfly over the mouth. Creepy...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/profesor_moriarty/2138258583/

Maybe that was Caseys way of thinking it was ok in her twisted mind.
She killed her. (Something she had to do or its Cindys fault. Caylee is in a better place.)
The heart and blankie -she gave her her blankie ,toy and heart (kiss). Made it ok. Comforting Caylee. Taking away her guilt.
Instead of "I murdered her" "But I gave her her blankie" etc.

A Twisted way to justify it..

[Topaz423]

I don't think you accidently overdose, at least not somebody like Casey. I think it's murder, overdose or cholorform whatever, I think she killed her and don't believe it was accidental. It is easier on the mind, for me at least. I hate to think of those last moments of fear, it's easier to think she was asleep..if that makes any sense.

that is my hope too ,that she was asleep and did not suffer.
God Bless this Child

[nana6]

I agree....this is a NEW one for hollywood......and they are ALL such actor's they could all probably play themselves.....all except Casey (she'll be in prison).....:biggrin:

Yes she will hopefully ,with Big Bertha and her friends. Barb, someone posted here today the crime scence photos that were released of the area where Caylee was found. I looked at 2 and had to stop. How can the A's stand living right down the street from there?

[NYGalPal]

Betcha that Cindy and George were paying the "nanny fees" and Casey was pocketing the money. When that wasn't enough she started stealing from people.

JMO

I agree. Wouldn't you want to know who this person is whom you are paying for? Where she lives? What her numbers are? etc.

[Jeepers]

In the discovery of the remains I did not see the book listed as one of the items founds at the scene in the woods. Did I miss it?

[nana6]

that is my hope too ,that she was asleep and did not suffer.
God Bless this Child

But why the duct tape then?

[cassidy]

I agree. Wouldn't you want to know who this person is whom you are paying for? Where she lives? What her numbers are? etc.


You bet I would!

[Barbara fl.]

I am hoping that even if they did find duct tape at the Anthony home, that they also collected whatever Amy used her tape on.
It was said at one point that Amy mentioned to Casey (MySpace?) that she would like her duct tape returned...I hope LE followed up on that...thus far they have been very thorough.

Just my opinion of course...


You're are right....That would be something for LE to look into....wonder if they did?

[Pat]

My son lives with us with his almost 3 year old daughter. If he wants to go out at night, she stays here with us. He doesn't do it often but he does need to get out too. It does seem strange to me that Cindy and George let Casey take Caylee to a "nanny's" instead of putting her to bed there. Would have saved a lot of money on "nanny fees" too. I wonder if, when Casey claimed she was taking Caylee to the "nanny's", she picked her up at 3 or 4 AM and brought her home with her? Nope, doesn't make any sense at all.

JMO

My son has had custody of his daughter since she was 6. He has lived with us parts of those times, but even now, when he doesn't, I will have my gd come spend the night if he has plans so she gets to bed at a reasonable time and doesn't mess up her routine (she's 10).

He would never consider taking her out with him when socializing with friends, unless it is family oriented and other children are going to be there, too.

I don't understand the Anthony family dynamics and have quit trying. I just pick my jaw up off the floor every time something new is released and get ready to move on to the next shocker.

[Jeepers]

I agree....this is a NEW one for hollywood......and they are ALL such actor's they could all probably play themselves.....all except Casey (she'll be in prison).....:biggrin:

That is funny! I guess Cindy could also play Casey's part. remember they are just alike!

[NYGalPal]

You bet I would!

I know. Why didn't George nor Cindy do this?

[msgatorslayer]

Everything about this case is strange. I have a hard time keeping track of where Casey was living at what point in time. I was under the impression she was living at her bf's house. Either way, she could have said, 'oh mom, I'm invited to a company dinner/get together, or a coworker or friend is having a dinner party and bringing their kids, we'll probably stay overnight or at Zanni's see you tomorrow,"

That somehow sounds better than, 'yeah i'm gonna be out partying all night, and won't be home till tomorrow"

I dunno...I'm trying to see it from a compulsive liar with illusions of grandeur's point of view :tongueside:

JMO

I doubt she told her parents she was out partying. Remember when the Fusian photos surfaced, George said Casey doesn't drink and was there to look in on her friends.:rolleyes:

It was more like, "Mom, Dad, I have an event at the Fusian Lounge tonight. Can ya watch Caylee?"

[cassidy]

I know. Why didn't George nor Cindy do this?

Because they had programmed themselves to believe Casey's lies IMO
Certainly easier than confronting her with them.

[daHawg]

Did ya'll see these photos on Casey's cell phone?

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/pictures-found-on-casey-anthonys-cell-phone/

According to WFTV and also the LE forensic report those pics are from Cindy's cell not Casey's.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/mostpopular/17566928/detail.html
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1572445/cindy-anthony-cell-phone-report

[Barbara fl.]

Yes she will hopefully ,with Big Bertha and her friends. Barb, someone posted here today the crime scence photos that were released of the area where Caylee was found. I looked at 2 and had to stop. How can the A's stand living right down the street from there?


Oh, for sure...I would have to move...there is NO way I would be able to even look in the direction of where Caylee's body was found....(I wouldn't be able to even leave the house)....

I will never understand loyalty such as this....my only concern would be for Caylee no one else.....How can they even consider going in Casey's defense with something like this.....

Let's just say, that LE might be having a hard time connecting some dot's......BUT grandparents sure as heck are not...they know what came from their home....and they know it all came from their home....How can they overlook that?

[nana6]

My son has had custody of his daughter since she was 6. He has lived with us parts of those times, but even now, when he doesn't, I will have my gd come spend the night if he has plans so she gets to bed at a reasonable time and doesn't mess up her routine (she's 10).

He would never consider taking her out with him when socializing with friends, unless it is family oriented and other children are going to be there, too.

I don't understand the Anthony family dynamics and have quit trying. I just pick my jaw up off the floor every time something new is released and get ready to move on to the next shocker.

imo something happens with your heart when you become a grandparent. We are so lucky because we see ours constantly. I think wisdom that we as grandparents have achieved in life plays a big part in helping our children make good decisions with their children. Even though our girls,their husbands and children do not live with us, I have never ever been quiet about something that I had a strong opinion on. I know our girls want our opinions and we give them. What a life little Caylee would have had had she been adopted. Think of all the good people who would have loved having her.

[CelticDawn]

Did ya'll see these photos on Casey's cell phone?

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/pictures-found-on-casey-anthonys-cell-phone/

I know its because Im getting old....and dont like having another birthday <under my circumstances and all>.....and that I too am a selfish old broad.....but THESE PICTURES JUST TURNED ON THE FAUCETS!!!! I cry at the drop of a hat these days....no matter how tough and cold and mean I try to be......:crying: I just think of Caylee and all fo her potential and dreams....I think of all of the other children...I think of all of the people that won't have the pleasure of KNOWING HER...I think of her not having her first day at kindergarten....not having her first school play!!!....never singing again......and all of a sudden MY selfishness and my wants seem like nothing.....because at least, I got to do all the childhood things that she wont get to do here on earth,...at least.

[msgatorslayer]

But why the duct tape then?

Placed on her mouth while she was alive and to prevent her from screaming.

To prevent bugs from crawling in her mouth. Something that could have freaked Casey out.

Those are two scenarios that I can think of.

[starling]

Did ya'll see these photos on Casey's cell phone?

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/27/pictures-found-on-casey-anthonys-cell-phone/


this photo (left to right)
killed,robbed,robbed
http://cayleeanthony.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/casey-phone-pictures6.jpg
yah, that's Baez's girl alright


JMO

[Grins]

....but why not release the print report? Is it unfavorable to the SA case? Is there a selective release of info?

We got a lot of trivia but not some critical info. Why?
Where are
=toxicology reports
=hair analysis for chemicals ingested
=any prints on the other items such as plastic bag and horse
=any fibers in bags from items not found in bags such as adult clothing
=report as to the condition of each bag when found; tears etc
=and all other items D must be given by law in Discovery

it is all overdue
why did we get reports yesterday from August?

Most of all: where are the Inventories to the Search Warrants? The law requires them to be affixed to the Return of Warrant and filed in the Clerk's Office. Why did SA remove them from the published Warrant Affidavits and Order? If there is another explanation I have not heard it.
What is going on?

[aubrey04]

Waaaaaaay to calm this George is. barf

George acted really weird during that interview. And that comment was extremely odd, considering they (George, Cindy and Casey) have all said they weren't giving out more information because Caylee and the family could be in danger. In fact, in that SAME interview -- Cindy said this:

KING: So what do you make of it?

I mean, she's your daughter. You have to have some -- why wouldn't she not -- why would she tell you -- not tell you?

CINDY ANTHONY: I think she's -- I think she was frightened. I think, from what we understand, that, you know, there's been threats to not only Caylee's well-being, but also to our family's well-being.

KING: By?

CINDY ANTHONY: By the people that have Caylee.

KING: You think Caylee was taken. Your daughter obviously knew she was taken.

CINDY ANTHONY: Um-hmm

But George says that Caylee is hopefully with a loving family that is taking care of her.. then he smiles.. huh? Obviously the Anthony's and the truth are strangers. imo.

Obviously the Anthony's and the truth are strangers. IMO.

[OneUp]

I doubt it....but I could be wrong...Ive been wrong alot these days <about life in general>


I think they are in a huddle trying to come up with some way of saving =face.....but IF THEY SEND THAT CONWAY CHARACTER OUT TO DO IT he will screw it up just as badly OR WORSE than they would....He hasmanaged to make them look even worse!IMO, making the Anthony's "look" good is nearly impossible for ANYONE due to the simple fact that there is only ONE thing they could do now to make them more sympathetic and give the public any desire to view their actions in the better light. They MUST start to tell the truth and admit that they were upset, confused, desperate (whatever "explanation") to find other explanations, etc.for the events as the horror of the reality was jst too much...and admit that they LIED because of that. It isn't going to happen tho...these folks will never accept responsiblity for their own actions OR admit they have done wrong ( Casey either for that matter!). It isn't in their nature IMO, and there is no way they'd be willing to give up their role as "victims". I believe in their minds they can't understand that people would be forgiving and understanding enough to realize they have been victimized even tho. they have done wrong and lied, poss/prob. covered too. WHy? Because I can't see George and Cindy being forgiving of others in a similar situation...the judgements would be flying in that house if this were ( for example) Jesse Grund's family instead of their own.
JMO.
The truth will NEVER be accpeted by any of them, nor will they admit anymore wrongdoing than the little blurb Conway put out there immediately following the discovery of Caylee....."no more conflicting statements..." I believe was the way he put it. Frankly, even that admission by someone speaking for them surprised me!
Again, JMO.

[NikkiG77058]

Placed on her mouth while she was alive and to prevent her from screaming.

To prevent bugs from crawling in her mouth. Something that could have freaked Casey out.

Those are two scenarios that I can think of.

The only other reason it was done AFTER she was dead would be if she started to drain...I apologize for the visual - I know it is disturbing. Katprint mentioned yesterday bodies sometimes drain from the mouth/nose first.

I have always thought Casey sufficated her with the tape but after hearing of the knife being found, I'm not sure. Lots of details released but still so many questions.

IMO

[*MoonRider*]

surprise...surprise....surprise...!!! NOT


It figures something would show up that LE FBI the tooth fairy didnt find...!!!



Ill believe it when Im dead and all-knowing and the facts are verified by God himself....


How many of us expected the "ESTEEMED" doctor to find something new...???

I can hear the defense saying LE didn't do a good job and missed evidence. If they missed the evidence that the esteemed Dr. Lee found what else may have been overlooked? yikes

[shelbar53]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Investigators say a heart-shaped sticker was intentionally stuck to the duct tape that was found over Caylee's mouth area. Both ends of the duct tape were stuck to Caylee's hair and her hair had to be cut to separate the duct tape, according to documents released Wednesday. Investigators also found a heart-shaped sticker at the scene (details here - page 15).

The new documents show that Caylee's body was in a cloth laundry bag, which was then placed into a black trash bag. They also found a size three toddler shirt, white shorts with vertical stripes, and a Winnie the Pooh blanket. Also inside the bag was a backpack with the word "adorable" on it and pull-ups with a flower design. Investigators also found a stainless steel knife.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18530178/de...11050101212009

I can't tell if the knife was found in the car or with the remains, though I understood it to have been found with the remains. Should this be the case, I am curious about forensics being able to distinguish between blood and post mortem fluids. I realize no 'visible' blood was found at the scene but that doesn't mean the knife wasn't rinsed off.

TIA!!

That is what had me confused, I spent alot of time last night on it, but maybe I was overly tired. I did see the "evidence number" from what was found in the car was the same as what they refered to as "Also inside the bag was a backpack with the word "adorable" on it and pull-ups with a flower design".

So I thought that bag was found in the garage when they processed the car...but they way its worded in the recent doc release, they make it sound as if it was found with the body. Im still confused on that..

[Jeepers]

What about when George and Cindy were on Larry King Live the night before Caylee's body was found and George said this to Larry King:



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html

:blink:

When I heard George spewing that fairy tale it reminded me of when my oldest son's little pet chicken was killed and I told him the little chicken found a moma chicken without any babies and the moma chicken spread out her wing and took petey under her wing and lived happliy ever after.
My son has never let me live that one down. Wrong in me but, I just did not have the heart to tell him.
I cannot believe George went on National TV with his tale.

[farrahrani]

Placed on her mouth while she was alive and to prevent her from screaming.

To prevent bugs from crawling in her mouth. Something that could have freaked Casey out.

Those are two scenarios that I can think of.

I believe it was put there to make it look like a real kidnapping, in the event that her body was found. She could then say, "see! I said these people were dangerous all along, and didn't want LE involved and look what happened!"

IMO

[Lavenia]

According to WFTV and also the LE forensic report those pics are from Cindy's cell not Casey's.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/mostpopular/17566928/detail.html
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1572445/cindy-anthony-cell-phone-report

Thanks Hawg! That makes more sense since I can't see Casey having pics of her g-pa and dog on her cell.

[floridamom]

I believe it was put there to make it look like a real kidnapping, in the event that her body was found. She could then say, "see! I said these people were dangerous all along, and didn't want LE involved and look what happened!"

IMO

My thoughts exactly....she had several days with the ababy in the car to worrry and wonder what she could do or say to explain it all. the duct tape does sound like somethin kc would think of to make it look like a kidnapping.

[nana6]

Placed on her mouth while she was alive and to prevent her from screaming.

To prevent bugs from crawling in her mouth. Something that could have freaked Casey out.

Those are two scenarios that I can think of.

Hi Gator, I was responding to someone who said that they were hoping that Caylee was asleep when she was killed and I said then why the duct tape? I do not think she was asleep because tape was used on Caylee. Now your theory is a good one about bugs but I do not think Casey cared enough about bugs getiing to Caylee to bother with tape. No, I think it was to keep Caylee quiet but that is jmo

[NikkiG77058]

When I heard George spewing that fairy tale it reminded me of when my oldest son's little pet chicken was killed and I told him the little chicken found a moma chicken without any babies and the moma chicken spread out her wing and took petey under her wing and lived happliy ever after.
My son has never let me live that one down. Wrong in me but, I just did not have the heart to tell him.
I cannot believe George went on National TV with his tale.

That is sweet - reminds me of the first time I saw a dead dog on the side of the road, I was devestated. My mom convinced me he was just taking a nap. :)

Part of me wants to believe GA is trying to convince himself of these ridiculous theories because deep down, he knows the truth. His wife just won't let him admit it. Though I don't care for this family at all, I kind of feel a tiny bit sorry for GA. :shrug:

[jessie]

I just can not wait for this trial to start...I believe there will be a whole lot coming out.....I saw Baez on TV last evening and not once did he state that his client was innocent....he was doing that all along but suddenly stopped....I also wouldn't be surprised if LKB backs out of this.......

If this trial is anywhere near where I can get to it....I will try my darndest to get there...... If there is a cov to West Palm Beach, I will be there every day. I think everything past Casey murdered Caylee and dumped her little body in those woods is just smoke and mirrors.

[NikkiG77058]

I believe it was put there to make it look like a real kidnapping, in the event that her body was found. She could then say, "see! I said these people were dangerous all along, and didn't want LE involved and look what happened!"

IMO


I might have been able to believe this before the heart shaped sticker was mentioned. If this was her logic, to be able to scream, "See, it was the dangerous kidnappers", what was the point of the sticker on the tape.

None of this makes sense to me - this chick is way more twisted than any of us could imagine or TRY to make sense out of. IMO

[trt]

What about when George and Cindy were on Larry King Live the night before Caylee's body was found and George said this to Larry King:



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html

:blink:

Ok, so she was kidnapped, in danger with her kidnappers being watched...yet she's probably living with a loving family somewhere?

[NYGalPal]

Because they had programmed themselves to believe Casey's lies IMO
Certainly easier than confronting her with them.

I agree. The feared the monster on their hands?

[Lavenia]

How are the Ants going to reconcile Casey's innocence with items from the house being with Caylee?

[trt]

When Cindy was asked by a co worker why dont you raise Caylee and Cindy said we cent afford it What, cant afford it? Look at all her toys just in the back yard, not to mention Caylees bedroom. All those stuff animals etc.... Yes some can be gifts but come on do you think Casey was buying her food, clothing etc. no way. And yes the nannys fee. Oh Please....

According to Cindy (to LE, IIRC) her and George WERE ALREADY paying for all those things for Caylee. So what would full time care have done financially that wasn't already happening?

JMO

[Topaz423]

But why the duct tape then?

possibly to keep her from crying out if she did wake up?

again it is just my hope she did not suffer
although she clearly suffered under caseys hand
anything is possible with this kind of evil
I can only hope for the babies sake
that she didn't wake up

the agony of picturing alternatives :crying:

[floridamom]

That is sweet - reminds me of the first time I saw a dead dog on the side of the road, I was devestated. My mom convinced me he was just taking a nap. :)

Part of me wants to believe GA is trying to convince himself of these ridiculous theories because deep down, he knows the truth. His wife just won't let him admit it. Though I don't care for this family at all, I kind of feel a tiny bit sorry for GA. :shrug:

Same here. He may act like a jerk in public -when cindy is around- but during his police and fbi interviews he seems to be honest a upfront with everything. he even says he suspects kc hasn't had a job for the last 2 years. i think he was in an impossible situation. he just got to move back home...he was on the outs with his kids...he was still on thin ice with cindy...he was trying to be honest and helpful when he had the opportunity to speak with the police. Who cares how he acted with the media...most of them are vultures anyway.

[msgatorslayer]

I might have been able to believe this before the heart shaped sticker was mentioned. If this was her logic, to be able to scream, "See, it was the dangerous kidnappers", what was the point of the sticker on the tape.

None of this makes sense to me - this chick is way more twisted than any of us could imagine or TRY to make sense out of. IMO

I just spoke with Mr. G on the phone. He said Bubba the Love Sponge was talking about the case this morning on the radio and he's blaming the kidnap/ murder on the band "Heart":tonguewag:

[shelbar53]

....but why not release the print report? Is it unfavorable to the SA case? Is there a selective release of info?

We got a lot of trivia but not some critical info. Why?
Where are
=toxicology reports
=hair analysis for chemicals ingested
=any prints on the other items such as plastic bag and horse
=any fibers in bags from items not found in bags such as adult clothing
=report as to the condition of each bag when found; tears etc
=and all other items D must be given by law in Discovery

it is all overdue
why did we get reports yesterday from August?

Most of all: where are the Inventories to the Search Warrants? The law requires them to be affixed to the Return of Warrant and filed in the Clerk's Office. Why did SA remove them from the published Warrant Affidavits and Order? If there is another explanation I have not heard it.
What is going on?


Is it because some of the evidence is still part of an active investigation? I know nothing about the law, but I do remember from a long time ago someone saying they dont have to release evidence that is still considered active.

[trich]

I doubt she told her parents she was out partying. Remember when the Fusian photos surfaced, George said Casey doesn't drink and was there to look in on her friends.:rolleyes:

It was more like, "Mom, Dad, I have an event at the Fusian Lounge tonight. Can ya watch Caylee?"

Yeah just like Casey wasn't pregnant(you would have to have sex for that).
What is wrong with these people?
Do they think the rest of the world is stupid or are they just
stupid?:shrug:

[msgatorslayer]

How are the Ants going to reconcile Casey's innocence with items from the house being with Caylee?

That Zanny had a house key.:rolleyes:

[daHawg]

Thanks Hawg! That makes more sense since I can't see Casey having pics of her g-pa and dog on her cell.Yeah, Casey's phone pics are more like party pics and all. IMO. :wink:

[floridamom]

I just spoke with Mr. G on the phone. He said Bubba the Love Sponge was talking about the case this morning on the radio and he's blaming the kidnap/ murder on the band "Heart":tonguewag:

Gator-----BUBBA WILL ROT YOUR BRAIN!!!! Turn it off quick!

[shelbar53]

I agree. Wouldn't you want to know who this person is whom you are paying for? Where she lives? What her numbers are? etc.

At the bond hearing cindy stated what she pays for, and she never mentiond a nanny.

[Lavenia]

That Zanny had a house key.:rolleyes:

How soon I forget. :rolleyes:


:wink:

[CC I See]

How are the Ants going to reconcile Casey's innocence with items from the house being with Caylee?
... didn't Casey tell Cindy that she gave the Nanny a key to the house? This would explain how she was able to sneak in and out without being detected to get stuff from the house that was later found with Caylee.

[Neffy]

That Zanny had a house key.:rolleyes:


Just like the drum set she had.

:rolleyes:

[Jeepers]

That is sweet - reminds me of the first time I saw a dead dog on the side of the road, I was devestated. My mom convinced me he was just taking a nap. :)

Part of me wants to believe GA is trying to convince himself of these ridiculous theories because deep down, he knows the truth. His wife just won't let him admit it. Though I don't care for this family at all, I kind of feel a tiny bit sorry for GA. :shrug:

Lawd what we do as parents! Yep DD he's just napping on the side of the road. I love it.
I have never told anyone outside of my family the chicken story until now. We all had a good laugh when George said that on LKL. My son called and was screaming in the phone. Yeah she's with a good family just ask my mom about my chicken Petey.
George is/was trying to convince himself that Caylee was ok and yes he knew/knows the truth.
This is just sad. I thank God for my kids everyday and I miss the days when they were little. Caylee was such a pretty little girl.

[Pat]

When Cindy was asked by a co worker why dont you raise Caylee and Cindy said we cent afford it What, cant afford it? Look at all her toys just in the back yard, not to mention Caylees bedroom. All those stuff animals etc.... Yes some can be gifts but come on do you think Casey was buying her food, clothing etc. no way. And yes the nannys fee. Oh Please....

I thought she was referring to formally adopting Caylee. I would imagine the legal expenses (not to mention the emotional turmoil of trying to get Casey to agree) would have been out of reach.

But that is only speculation on my part.

[Lavenia]

... didn't Casey tell Cindy that she gave the Nanny a key to the house? This would explain how she was able to sneak in and out without being detected to get stuff from the house that was later found with Caylee.

Msgatorslayer said the same thing! Oh my, oh my. Surely they aren't that far in the delusion pool. (I know, I know. Wishful thinking.)

[NikkiG77058]

That Zanny had a house key.:rolleyes:

This is exactly why I am praying that the FBI was able to lift fingerprints of the tape - should this be the case, there is no way her parents will be able to spin that story. I believe they already know the truth, though they may still be trying to hold out hope Casey is telling the truth.

[NYGalPal]

Ok, so she was kidnapped, in danger with her kidnappers being watched...yet she's probably living with a loving family somewhere?

Bingo! yet they seem resigned to that like it is ok for her to be with total strangers. I'm blinking and shaking my head. Wouldn't you be freaking out over the thought of her being harmed? George was in LE and knows what happens to little girls who get abducted. WTH!!!

Pat, my jaw is on the floor with yours.

[jessie]

My son has had custody of his daughter since she was 6. He has lived with us parts of those times, but even now, when he doesn't, I will have my gd come spend the night if he has plans so she gets to bed at a reasonable time and doesn't mess up her routine (she's 10).

He would never consider taking her out with him when socializing with friends, unless it is family oriented and other children are going to be there, too.

I don't understand the Anthony family dynamics and have quit trying. I just pick my jaw up off the floor every time something new is released and get ready to move on to the next shocker. I know a lady that is almost a carbon copy of the way I belive Casey to be. I sometimes babysit her 2 year old duaghter. I watch her very closely. She is right now witholding her daughter from the grandparents. I keep in contact with the grandparents and they know where I live and my phone number and also my other family members. Even when I dont babysit the little babygirl, I will drop in on her just to check. Cindy and George let Casey be the adult she was supposed to be even though they had to know that was not the case, hope that made sense. Sometimes its hard to know when you have crossed the line with and adult that you really do not trust to be an adult. But when it comes to the safety of another human being you must disregard that line. JMO

[OneUp]

How are the Ants going to reconcile Casey's innocence with items from the house being with Caylee?You and I BOTH know they aren't even going to try...they simply ignore anything that comes up if it doesn't support their claimed belief in Casey's innocence...or it was the "big bad LE" that is "out to pin this on Casey"...:rolleyes: . I *almost* can't believe the level of manipulation, lying, and defensiveness we are seeing. had I not seen it professionally more than once, I wouldn't be able to wrap my mind around it at all! Some things you gotta see to believe!
There is already SOOO much that cannot be explained away without convoluted thinking and ridiculous explanations...and they knew of all of this long before ANY of it came to be public knowledge! Not to mention that they have lived with this thing masquerading as a human being for 22 years. I have no doubt they already believed Casey capable of anything short of murder before Caylee went missing. After she was "unavailable", I am convinced they knew Casey was capable of murder as well...there is just NO OTHER explanation for their search of their back yard, including turning up the paving stones!
They suspected that Caylee was gone for real from the first days...and have been spastically backpedaling every since in an attempt to rewrite history.
JMO.

[NYGalPal]

At the bond hearing cindy stated what she pays for, and she never mentiond a nanny.

Got it. Don't you find it weird that no one else in the house knew a thing about this nanny? No emergency number? What is something happened to Casey? you know what I mean?

[msgatorslayer]

Gator-----BUBBA WILL ROT YOUR BRAIN!!!! Turn it off quick!

ROTFLMAO

It's Mr. G's favorite station.:wub:

[Heyes]

Respectfully snipped for length

so it has to be the money
always has been and always will be
they feel entitled after all the chit she has willing put them through
not just this case
but a life time of cases from casey
she is one huge head case we know
wow
what a world

scary

:crying:
the length is long thank you for listening

Topaz, ya said it all. Your quote is dead on. Thank you
It's bad enough this creature killed her baby but to see the entire family throw their grandbaby under the bus to support the killer and make $$ deals is beyond disgusting. They should all be locked up never to live among us again. Bet those neighbors of the anthonys wish they would move away, far, far away.
As far as biaz goes...... bwa ha ha ha ha he is the idiot we thought he was.He's out there oh so worried about his image. lol lol He doesn't seem to get the fact that we don't look at him as a leader in the latino population, oh no no no no noooo we look at him as a weasel. A weasel that seems to have, shall we say improper relationship with his client. Not to mention it's rather obvious he is not doing right by his client. He wants that trial. He wants fame. He wants to be a famous latino defense attorney. Puhleeeese! What an ego! lol
imo

[cassidy]

That Zanny had a house key.:rolleyes:

they sure did try to cover all the bases, didn't they?

[Jeepers]

I know a lady that is almost a carbon copy of the way I belive Casey to be. I sometimes babysit her 2 year old duaghter. I watch her very closely. She is right now witholding her daughter from the grandparents. I keep in contact with the grandparents and they know where I live and my phone number and also my other family members. Even when I dont babysit the little babygirl, I will drop in on her just to check. Cindy and George let Casey be the adult she was supposed to be even though they had to know that was not the case, hope that made sense. Sometimes its hard to know when you have crossed the line with and adult that you really do not trust to be an adult. But when it comes to the safety of another human being you must disregard that line. JMO

That is sad. I am glad she has you and the grandparents have you to talk to.

[playnice]

I might have been able to believe this before the heart shaped sticker was mentioned. If this was her logic, to be able to scream, "See, it was the dangerous kidnappers", what was the point of the sticker on the tape.

None of this makes sense to me - this chick is way more twisted than any of us could imagine or TRY to make sense out of. IMO

You have that right. Every time I think I wont be shocked something else comes out that does shock me all over again.
Im kind of glad we are getting things released a bit at a time. That would be too much of an overload to try to process it at one time.
I had to take my lunch break yesterday and walk away for a bit after the heart info came out. I was just so sickened by it.

[kitty1182]

Got it. Don't you find it weird that no one else in the house knew a thing about this nanny? No emergency number? What is something happened to Casey? you know what I mean?

I never understood that...What if Casey had been killed, how would they know where to find Caylee?

[OneUp]

Is it because some of the evidence is still part of an active investigation? I know nothing about the law, but I do remember from a long time ago someone saying they dont have to release evidence that is still considered active.I think you are correct. If something is still being tested or investigated it is considered "active" and doesn't have to be released yet. I also suspect that LE and associated entities may drag their feet to attempt to keep information close to the vest as long as possible (not only in this case), I certainly would esp. in a state with such complete disclosure laws.
Besides, there's no goig back and i'd hope they are being 100% thorough!
JMO.

[BJames]

Well considering that terrible 'accident' that Zanny had in June she had to have recovered quite well to pull off a kidnapping and murder within a month...tromping through the Anthony home for supplies...carting the bag into the woods.
I wonder what became of Annabell? The doctor reports? Hospital records? Hotel accomodation records...?
I also find it more than interesting that Cindy had to have found out that Casey no longer (!!) worked at Universal (at least by July 3rd)..yet she sure did go on and on about the 'work trip' that Casey went on and the Nanny's accident during her interview with LE...and blah blah blah..
This stuff is crazy making...I wonder how much more that Cindy may be thinking back on now and say...' Heck...that probably wasn't true either...' I would question everything the girl ever told me.

Just my opinion of course...

[cassidy]

Got it. Don't you find it weird that no one else in the house knew a thing about this nanny? No emergency number? What is something happened to Casey? you know what I mean?

Remember, they were dealing the reliable,dependable, mother-of-the-year Casey here. :rolleyes:

[floridamom]

Got it. Don't you find it weird that no one else in the house knew a thing about this nanny? No emergency number? What is something happened to Casey? you know what I mean?

When my kids were little I never left them with anyone but immediate
relatives. My kids came with a list of numbers....my cell, dads cell, number of where we were going, pediatrician....I can't imagine leaving grandparents with no info....and the grandparents going along with it.

[Lavenia]

You and I BOTH know they aren't even going to try...they simply ignore anything that comes up if it doesn't support their claimed belief in Casey's innocence...or it was the "big bad LE" that is "out to pin this on Casey"...:rolleyes: . I *almost* can't believe the level of manipulation, lying, and defensiveness we are seeing. had I not seen it professionally more than once, I wouldn't be able to wrap my mind around it at all! Some things you gotta see to believe!
There is already SOOO much that cannot be explained away without convoluted thinking and ridiculous explanations...and they knew of all of this long before ANY of it came to be public knowledge! Not to mention that they have lived with this thing masquerading as a human being for 22 years. I have no doubt they already believed Casey capable of anything short of murder before Caylee went missing. After she was "unavailable", I am convinced they knew Casey was capable of murder as well...there is just NO OTHER explanation for their search of their back yard, including turning up the paving stones!
They suspected that Caylee was gone for real from the first days...and have been spastically backpedaling every since in an attempt to rewrite history.
JMO.

It's amazing and frustrating to watch 'em try. They turn their heads inside out looking for anything to absolve the little darling.

[shelbar53]

When Cindy was asked by a co worker why dont you raise Caylee and Cindy said we cent afford it What, cant afford it? Look at all her toys just in the back yard, not to mention Caylees bedroom. All those stuff animals etc.... Yes some can be gifts but come on do you think Casey was buying her food, clothing etc. no way. And yes the nannys fee. Oh Please....

In one picture there was caylee sitting with about 12 Mr potato heads, I think all the toys was a bit excessive, maybe if they bought less toys and sunglasses and hats and disney brand cloths they wouldnt have been behind in their bills.

Hi January

[NYGalPal]

I never understood that...What if Casey had been killed, how would they know where to find Caylee?

It's just not normal. There is no way you can convince me they loved Caylee after all this stuff has come out. She wasn't important enough to keep track of. Excuse me while I go get sick.

[Heyes]

Lawd what we do as parents! Yep DD he's just napping on the side of the road. I love it.
I have never told anyone outside of my family the chicken story until now. We all had a good laugh when George said that on LKL. My son called and was screaming in the phone. Yeah she's with a good family just ask my mom about my chicken Petey.
George is/was trying to convince himself that Caylee was ok and yes he knew/knows the truth.
This is just sad. I thank God for my kids everyday and I miss the days when they were little. Caylee was such a pretty little girl.
Hey jeepers!
Thought y'all might get a laugh out of this, I know I did.
My beautiful daughter just walked through the room while I had Nancy Grace on. Right at the point casey was whining about her victimhood.
My daughter chuckled and said that she now has a new favorite quote she's going to put on a t-shirt. " You NEED to look at me as a victim". I thought it was hilarious.

[in4infor]

If finger prints are on the duct tape and it belongs to Casey then I would think and hope the death penalty is put back on the table.

[NYGalPal]

When my kids were little I never left them with anyone but immediate
relatives. My kids came with a list of numbers....my cell, dads cell, number of where we were going, pediatrician....I can't imagine leaving grandparents with no info....and the grandparents going along with it.

This is normal human behavior.

[johnielee333]

Justice & a :rose: for our sweet Caylee.

[msgatorslayer]

Hi Gator, I was responding to someone who said that they were hoping that Caylee was asleep when she was killed and I said then why the duct tape? I do not think she was asleep because tape was used on Caylee. Now your theory is a good one about bugs but I do not think Casey cared enough about bugs getiing to Caylee to bother with tape. No, I think it was to keep Caylee quiet but that is jmo

Hey Nana. I do think that Casey was bothered by bugs. Remember, LE confinscated bug sprayers from the Anthony home.

I theorize that Caylee was first in the backyard. Bugs had started doing what they do. And Casey sprayed the bugs prior to placing Caylee in the trunk. The duct tape may have been placed on her mouth at this time.

My first post this morning was about a show I watched lastnight. "The Sciene of Interrogation". There was a 2 y.o girl who was murdered by her Step Mom. LE found duct tape and clumps of hair in the trash can. The lead LE believed that the Mom placed the tape on her mouth to eliminate screams while she tortured her with ciggy burns, hit her, etc all, and then dunking her head into the toilet where she received a massive blunt force trauma to the head.

It was bizarre to come across that show lastnight and the reference to the duct tape.

[OneUp]

I thought she was referring to formally adopting Caylee. I would imagine the legal expenses (not to mention the emotional turmoil of trying to get Casey to agree) would have been out of reach.

But that is only speculation on my part.The expense of a straightforward adoption aren't high enough to be cost prohibitive...a Battle for custody would be another matter entirely, tho. Where did Cindy think that Casey would get the money to fight for custody? Even with her "job" ( if you believe Cindy really thought she had one...I don't.), she STILL had to rely on her mother to pay for all of Caylee's needs, her car, her cell phone, AND other things.
It's so ridiculous to claim that her parents really thought she had a high paying job and couldn't even pay for a phone, diapers, or a better car! Some people are REALLY good at hiding their heads in the sand! REALLY good!
JMO.

[CC I See]

...well after all, they have lost a granddaughter and now they are about to lose their daughter. How very sad... sad indeed. I feel sorry and have compassion for them that they lost Caylee, but don't expect me to cry about Casey.

If Casey should get off somehow, are they going to take her home and how are they going to get their life back? Are they going to keep her under lock and key so that no one else gets hurt from one of her delusions?

[CelticDawn]

IMO, making the Anthony's "look" good is nearly impossible for ANYONE due to the simple fact that there is only ONE thing they could do now to make them more sympathetic and give the public any desire to view their actions in the better light. They MUST start to tell the truth and admit that they were upset, confused, desperate (whatever "explanation") to find other explanations, etc.for the events as the horror of the reality was jst too much...and admit that they LIED because of that. It isn't going to happen tho...these folks will never accept responsiblity for their own actions OR admit they have done wrong ( Casey either for that matter!). It isn't in their nature IMO, and there is no way they'd be willing to give up their role as "victims". I believe in their minds they can't understand that people would be forgiving and understanding enough to realize they have been victimized even tho. they have done wrong and lied, poss/prob. covered too. WHy? Because I can't see George and Cindy being forgiving of others in a similar situation...the judgements would be flying in that house if this were ( for example) Jesse Grund's family instead of their own.
JMO.
The truth will NEVER be accpeted by any of them, nor will they admit anymore wrongdoing than the little blurb Conway put out there immediately following the discovery of Caylee....."no more conflicting statements..." I believe was the way he put it. Frankly, even that admission by someone speaking for them surprised me!
Again, JMO.



Knowing just how unforgiving we as a group are....as unforgiving as peopel in general are.....What would they have to do...???

Nothing they do and say will stop so many from hating the,...<we need to be careful about hating because it drags US down>

[shelbar53]

Msgatorslayer said the same thing! Oh my, oh my. Surely they aren't that far in the delusion pool. (I know, I know. Wishful thinking.)

I think the neighbor would have noticed someone other than the A's going in and out of the house. Geeze he noticed casey backing her car into the garage and another day, a truck in the driveway that he didnt know. Kinda of like the "bewitched" neighbor that noticed everything.

[msgatorslayer]

they sure did try to cover all the bases, didn't they?

Yes, they did. And if that one doesn't work, Casey also says Zanny has everything for Caylee. So, watch and see, duplicate sets of everything in the Anthony home were bought by the rich Zanny so that Caylee would feel right at home at her house.:rolleyes:

[really3997]

cindy even said
all i care about is caylee
where she's at
I do not care where casey is
so it has to be the money
always has been and always will be
they feel entitled after all the chit she has willing put them through
not just this case
but a life time of cases from casey
she is one huge head case we know
wow
what a world

scary

:crying:
the length is long thank you for listening


Respectfully snipped... I believe this was a group of people ( not a family) that had no means to survive as an individual until this case. I believe this is one way that they can have the funds to go out on their own...Heck yeah it's about money..It was never about Caylee. I took 3 911 calls to get to the smell in the car even after Cindy already told work about the smell. I can't wait when they realize money does buy happiness especially money with bad MoJo attached to it...

[kitty1182]

It's just not normal. There is no way you can convince me they loved Caylee after all this stuff has come out. She wasn't important enough to keep track of. Excuse me while I go get sick.

If we go out of town and can't take our dog, my son and my mom know the vets number in case something happens to us..That way, one of them can get the dog...

[CelticDawn]

...well after all, they have lost a granddaughter and now they are about to lose their daughter. How very sad... sad indeed. I feel sorry and have compassion for them that they lost Caylee, but don't expect me to cry about Casey.

If Casey should get off somehow, are they going to take her home and how are they going to get their life back? Are they going to keep her under lock and key so that no one else gets hurt from one of her delusions?
If somehow this happens....they CAN NOT get her life back....They will have to relocate her.....and she is going to have to sever all ties.....

[farrahrani]

I might have been able to believe this before the heart shaped sticker was mentioned. If this was her logic, to be able to scream, "See, it was the dangerous kidnappers", what was the point of the sticker on the tape.

None of this makes sense to me - this chick is way more twisted than any of us could imagine or TRY to make sense out of. IMO


Aaaah. But Zanny loved Caylee so much she watched her for free.
Because she was wealthy and didn't need the money The sticker was a way for Zanny to show her love...:rolleyes:

I bet the defense will say that the sticker was part of a sticker activity book that Zanny bought Caylee, like the Fuzzypaws book Casey claimed Zanny bought. And that the heart was a direct message to Casey....like...talking in code. barf

[OneUp]

In one picture there was caylee sitting with about 12 Mr potato heads, I think all the toys was a bit excessive, maybe if they bought less toys and sunglasses and hats and disney brand cloths they wouldnt have been behind in their bills.

Hi JanuaryWell Shel, it's been my experience that people are willing to spend ALOT of $$$$ to make themselves comfortable with their own wrongdoing. I suspect they all knew Caylee wasn't getting the care and treatment she deserved, and that the more normal members of the family...the ones capable of real caring and self sacrifice like Cindy (despite her shortcomings, I think she really cared the most for Caylee!), all felt guilty for knwoing things weren't as they should be and being unable/unwilling to make it right.
Guilt buys alot of toys...that's a fact! I don't "get it" but I know even I got in the habit of buying my eldest lot's of "things" to take to daycare when I was very busy with work and full time College. I was appalled with myself when it was brought to my attention! I *guess8 i felt that nice things would remind her of me and "tell" her that she was worthy of the best....it really makes no sense, but many of us have compensated lack of time or effort with material things.
JMO.

[Jeepers]

My daughter and I were in the Orlando area about a week after Caylee's remains were found. We went by the scene. It is a VERY small area--only 2 ways in and out of the subdivision. We had intentionally NOT gone by the Anthony house and had just gone to get a feel for the area. We had to turn around because of so much media and with one odd turn we ended up in front of the Anthony's house. Literally if you stood in their driveway you can see Suburban Drive and to the right, mere steps away is where Caylee was found. There is another way out of the subdivision, but it would be a little inconvenient. Yes, for 6 months they drove out of there within feet of the baby.


Oooh Soozer, that is awful. I don't like driving by places that I know were bad wreck scenes in the past. I just cannot imagine l living in the area of where Caylee was found. That would break me up.

[aubrey04]

Tot Monster was probably entertaining a fantastic tall tale of car jacking/baby abduction. Too lazy to follow through.

I think that is a real possibility but she wanted to party and hang out with Tony, so she kept procrastinating her "plan". Or she was planning on flying off to California to be with Mark Hawkins & leave everything behind.. but again, she started really falling for Tony & didn't follow through.

[trich]

Another reason I don't think the "nanny had a key" story will fly is that I believe the neighbor would have seen a strange car pulling in the driveway /garage.
If the neighbor noticed Casey backing into the garage that day surely he would have noticed strange vehicles at the house when he knew no one was home.
Seems to me he took notice of things that went on in that house.....including arguments etc.

Of course anyone that would believe that this Nanny existed in any shape or form with no one having any phone numbers or addresses or
any kind of evidence that she existed, would have to be in fact
delusionable...

[BlueTurtle]

Once again im late for the party so dont know if this was discussed but I found it interesting. {plant job? oops did I say that outloud?}

1. Dr henry Lee first evidence inspection at 1018 Nov 14th
2. 1248 Dr Lee, Mr.Baez and Mr Phlegar left the forensic for lunch
3. Dr Henry Lee second evidence inspection at 1415
4. after the inspection we {LE} found the following trace evidence {3 hairs}
5. Dr. Lee third inspection of the evidence..Dr. Lee found a hair in the trunk
6. 1610 Dr Lee left the office
7. 1740 after dr. lee left, LE conducted a re-inspection of evidence {looks like several more hairs and fibers were found that were not there before.

Im reading it as, after Lee, Baez and Phlegar examined the evidence additional hairs and fibers were found by LE that weren't there before their little visit. {IMO}

starts on page 3205 of LE numbering

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf


I would be extra careful around an "expert" who had an incident in a previous case where his credibility was questioned and it was information from the defense who provided the eye witness account of possible tampering with evidence.

[msgatorslayer]

Another reason I don't think the "nanny had a key" story will fly is that I believe the neighbor would have seen a strange car pulling in the driveway /garage.
If the neighbor noticed Casey backing into the garage that day surely he would have noticed strange vehicles at the house when he knew no one was home.
Seems to me he took notice of things that went on in that house.....including arguments etc.

Of course anyone that would believe that this Nanny existed in any shape or form with no one having any phone numbers or addresses or
any kind of evidence that she existed, would have to be in fact
delusionable...

ITA - And that is also the reason that I don't believe Casey left for 'work' everyday and then returned back home after George left. The neighbor/s would have noticed and it could have came up in lawn mower conversations.

I have a bunch of elderly neighbors and I guarantee they know our habits. One even has a remote to our garage because he's the first to notice when both cars are gone and the door open. {My fault, lol, I have a bad habit of doing it}

[NikkiG77058]

Yes, they did. And if that one doesn't work, Casey also says Zanny has everything for Caylee. So, watch and see, duplicate sets of everything in the Anthony home were bought by the rich Zanny so that Caylee would feel right at home at her house.:rolleyes:

That is true but an interesting point was brought up on NG last night. A caller asked if the tag on the blanket had been compared to the 'crib bumber's tag'...apparently, the numbers should match. If this is the case, and the tags match, since Casey said Zanny has everything for Caylee, how would she be able to explain/spin this?

[msgatorslayer]

That is true but an interesting point was brought up on NG last night. A caller asked if the tag on the blanket had been compared to the 'crib bumber's tag'...apparently, the numbers should match. If this is the case, and the tags match, since Casey said Zanny has everything for Caylee, how would she be able to explain/spin this?

Oh yeah, I caught the tail end of NG lastnight. It was a good point. And they will match everything up. Look at all the trash items that were documented. They had the SCU numbers for everything.

[NikkiG77058]

Aaaah. But Zanny loved Caylee so much she watched her for free.
Because she was wealthy and didn't need the money The sticker was a way for Zanny to show her love...:rolleyes:

I bet the defense will say that the sticker was part of a sticker activity book that Zanny bought Caylee, like the Fuzzypaws book Casey claimed Zanny bought. And that the heart was a direct message to Casey....like...talking in code. barf

Even more reason to pray the rest of that sticker pack was found in the house, when the search warrant was executed.

[jammies]

Re: Cindy not realizing Casey was pregnant. B.S. She knew and I'm sure there were some big arguments, etc. going on in that house at the time.

Why would she play so dumb?? Is she THAT much of an ostrich?

[aubrey04]

Another reason I don't think the "nanny had a key" story will fly is that I believe the neighbor would have seen a strange car pulling in the driveway /garage.
If the neighbor noticed Casey backing into the garage that day surely he would have noticed strange vehicles at the house when he knew no one was home.
Seems to me he took notice of things that went on in that house.....including arguments etc.

Of course anyone that would believe that this Nanny existed in any shape or form with no one having any phone numbers or addresses or
any kind of evidence that she existed, would have to be in fact
delusionable...

Yup. That nanny story is dead in the water. Baez and co. need to think of something else because that is NOT going to fly. We could list all the reasons that it is obvious that Zanny didn't exist but it would take up an entire page.

You're right.. during those critical days - from June 17th- June 20th.. it was Casey's car that was backed up into the garage of the Anthony home, which Brian Burner said he had NEVER seen happen before..and it was Casey who borrowed the shovel.

The defense needs to get a clue and realize that the Zanny story isn't gonna float. period. imo

[summer4meplz]

I would be extra careful around an "expert" who had an incident in a previous case where his credibility was questioned and it was information from the defense who provided the eye witness account of possible tampering with evidence.

good morning everyone....I was wondering about IF IF IF Dr. Lee planted some hairs.....would the FBI be able to tell a difference between the hairs planted and the ones they had already tested?

I find it hard to imagine dr. lee would do something so risky....

(I can't get the heart sticker off my mind..)

[jammies]

ITA - And that is also the reason that I don't believe Casey left for 'work' everyday and then returned back home after George left. The neighbor/s would have noticed and it could have came up in lawn mower conversations.

I have a bunch of elderly neighbors and I guarantee they know our habits. One even has a remote to our garage because he's the first to notice when both cars are gone and the door open. {My fault, lol, I have a bad habit of doing it}


Could that be why Casey and GA were fighting and not getting along? He KNEW she wasn't working? Don't know why that would be upsetting for him, though, as he didn't work either.

[OneUp]

Hey Nana. I do think that Casey was bothered by bugs. Remember, LE confinscated bug sprayers from the Anthony home.

I theorize that Caylee was first in the backyard. Bugs had started doing what they do. And Casey sprayed the bugs prior to placing Caylee in the trunk. The duct tape may have been placed on her mouth at this time.

My first post this morning was about a show I watched lastnight. "The Sciene of Interrogation". There was a 2 y.o girl who was murdered by her Step Mom. LE found duct tape and clumps of hair in the trash can. The lead LE believed that the Mom placed the tape on her mouth to eliminate screams while she tortured her with ciggy burns, hit her, etc all, and then dunking her head into the toilet where she received a massive blunt force trauma to the head.

It was bizarre to come across that show lastnight and the reference to the duct tape.*WARNING* this is a "gross" thing to mention...

I don't think the duct tape could stick to flesh unless it was placed on right after death. Skin gets sort of "clammy" not long after death, and as it begins to deteriorate, it gets greasy and softens to the point that when a body has to be moved, the skins often tears. I don't think Tape would have been able to stick, esp. as rapidly as the weather conditions ( heat, humidity) in Florida would have acceleerated the process. That's why I doubt the tape was placed post mortem.
Even if she may have thought of it later with regards to trying to stage a kidnapping I don't think "later" would have been before her date to Blockbuster, etc....Casey was pretty busy with TonE in the days right after Caylee was killed ( The 15th, late night imo)....I don't think she did more than put the entire situation out of her mind right off. IMO, she only dealt with "issues" as she had no other choice when things arose like George trying to look in her trunk.
JMO.

[Neffy]

That is true but an interesting point was brought up on NG last night. A caller asked if the tag on the blanket had been compared to the 'crib bumber's tag'...apparently, the numbers should match. If this is the case, and the tags match, since Casey said Zanny has everything for Caylee, how would she be able to explain/spin this?

That's IF the tags exist. Many people tear these off.

[kitty1182]

good morning everyone....I was wondering about IF IF IF Dr. Lee planted some hairs.....would the FBI be able to tell a difference between the hairs planted and the ones they had already tested?

I find it hard to imagine dr. lee would do something so risky....

(I can't get the heart sticker off my mind..)



I hope JB's hair didn't fall off in the trunk..lol

[trt]

Yeah just like Casey wasn't pregnant(you would have to have sex for that).
What is wrong with these people?
Do they think the rest of the world is stupid or are they just
stupid?:shrug:

I think its a lot like watching the awful people on American Idol who are so angry that they didn't get on because their family and friends have ALL told them they could sing. It seems that people have allowed the Anthonys(Casey in particular) to lie and cover up and not call them on it. So they then get in public and foolishly believe that they are able to fool the masses simply because no one has ever had the gumption (or the energy, more than likely) to call them on their ridiculous lies.

JMO

[kOOkie1]

I found this a little interesting..re-listen to this portion of this greta interview @ 5:28 (this is from the first interview back in Aug)..they are referring to the "she is close comment" "code talk". Of course I notice Cindy saying "close as in the neighborhood" but quickly says but I dont think Casey means that..:sneaky: (imo)
I was trying to get to the part where they show the bedrooms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIu7Ens4WIo&feature=related

[floridamom]

Could that be why Casey and GA were fighting and not getting along? He KNEW she wasn't working? Don't know why that would be upsetting for him, though, as he didn't work either.
in GA defense, wasn't he on disability due to a knee replacement. Just moved back from down south with parents. College grads can't find a job in this economy...it couldn't hav ebeen easy for a man of his age to find something.

[Jeepers]

Hey jeepers!
Thought y'all might get a laugh out of this, I know I did.
My beautiful daughter just walked through the room while I had Nancy Grace on. Right at the point casey was whining about her victimhood.
My daughter chuckled and said that she now has a new favorite quote she's going to put on a t-shirt. " You NEED to look at me as a victim". I thought it was hilarious.

I hope she does get one made. That is so funny. I love to listen to mine talk about this case. I have 3 .. 33, 26, and 24 their perspectives of the partying and the men just amazes them.
Of course they then get a reality check and look at me and say they would never have gotten away with any of things Casey did.
Life is just not Fair... You Need to look at me as the victim.

Let me know when she gets it. I just love kids and their smart mouths in a good way!

[jammies]

That's IF the tags exist. Many people tear these off.

I'm sure that Cindy washed Caylee's bedding many many times. Those items would look well washed and used. A new blanket that had never been used would stick out....unless she's thought ahead and washed it a zillion times to make it look like the rest.

[ishkabibble]

not sure we will ever know the real truth n/t...Casey sure isn't gonna talk

if the laundry bag was in the stand that shows in the picture, it was probably easy to pick up Caylees body slip it in the laundry hamper and close the bag remove it from the stand and carry it out of the room, it would appear to someone outside seeing her put the bag in the trunk that it was just laundry. she may have put the plastic bag on it later.

[trich]

That is true but an interesting point was brought up on NG last night. A caller asked if the tag on the blanket had been compared to the 'crib bumber's tag'...apparently, the numbers should match. If this is the case, and the tags match, since Casey said Zanny has everything for Caylee, how would she be able to explain/spin this?

Well see Casey is not going to be able to explain anything since there is no way she will get up on the stand and testify.
so if she does not testify she can not be asked those kinds of questions.
So IMO Baez has nothing but to try and dispute the forensic evidence.
He can not testify ...the way I understand it whatever he says in opening statements he has to prove during the trial....if he says there was a nanny I would think he should have to produce evidence that there was indeed a nanny ....if not the prosecution will remind the court that the defense has not proven such .I think I am right there.

[Dogmatic]

Even more reason to pray the rest of that sticker pack was found in the house, when the search warrant was executed.

It won't be. Casey has been afforded a great deal of time in that home thanks to Leonard Padilla, and I'm quite certain the sticker sheet is long gone.

[jammies]

in GA defense, wasn't he on disability due to a knee replacement. Just moved back from down south with parents. College grads can't find a job in this economy...it couldn't hav ebeen easy for a man of his age to find something.

Don't know when he had his surgery but they had lived in FLA for quite a while. Going by Cindy's mom emails, he hadn't worked for a good part of their marriage.

[OneUp]

Knowing just how unforgiving we as a group are....as unforgiving as peopel in general are.....What would they have to do...???

Nothing they do and say will stop so many from hating the,...<we need to be careful about hating because it drags US down>That is a REALLY broad generalization, and I personally do not "hate" any of this family...aside from possibly assigning that word to my feelings about Casey.
It may be YOUR opinion that people here "hate" them...judge them? Yes, but that is far from Hating them IMO. I see MANY here that still feel for them, even with ALOT of frustration and even anger with their behavior.
Don't put words in my mouth or publically assign your interpretations to my opinions please.
I'll mind my own morailty TY, I seem to have done just fine in life thus far w/o your "support".
I'd give alot more concern to how they feel if they'd just act decent and stop lying to cover for Casey. They can certainly support AND love her without lying for her. I even feel a little pity that a human life was wasted by becoming what Casey is...such a hollow and unsatisfying thing life must be for her!
JMO.

[Jeepers]

What about the 4 seperate spots in the back yard where the dogs hit. What struck me as odd was that each spot had wood chips involved. I am wondering if KC didn't have something buried in one of the flower beds (maybe caylee or her clothes) and after she removed them she could have used the shovel to spread the wood chips around. I know that the LE was looking for Caylee to be buried in the yard and when they seen the landscaping mat undisturbed they wrote it off as nothing- but were samples of the wood chips taken? I did not see any in the reports. IMOO

Question: could any test provide a timeline on how long Caylee's body was left on the ground in the backyard, like the test that said that Caylee was left in the trunk 2.6 days.. just wondering.

[floridamom]

I too think which bag the body first resided in is xtra important. The docs do not give any indication that ,that was in in their thought process ,which it should have been imo

Laundry bag - does anyone wear uniforms that would could be gathered in a laundry bag furnhished by co and those laundry bags picked up by a cleaning service? Was it just a burlap type bag(duffle) type with no markings ? Certainly though the laundry bag is going to be further investigated .....on both sides ( pros) & (defense

The black garbage bag with yellow tie handles ....anyone remember if the black bag lorraines sifted through had yellow ties ?


I wonder when we will hear if there were positive prints on the bags at all ...should we have heard that by now , thats something they would have done straight away ! The fact we've heard nothing about latent prints lifted from those bags ,seems to me ,they found none and even the residue from the sticker , if there were prints seems we we have heard that in these docs?

If you look at the timeline of the documents released-we just got the info about what was found and where it was sent. I think it will be awhile before the next step-the evidence analysis will be released. Look at it as a 2 month lag time. That's what I think anyway.

[Jeepers]

My adult daughter started tearing up badly and asked that we leave. I had a big lump in my throat too so we left. Its all so very sad.

It is just a sad story. It will make the strongest cry. I felt so bad for Sherriff Barry in his press conference when he teared up.

[Neffy]

Could that be why Casey and GA were fighting and not getting along? He KNEW she wasn't working? Don't know why that would be upsetting for him, though, as he didn't work either.

Well he had to get a job.

Even still.

Myself along with countless others get jobs around their children.

What arrangements were made for Caylee?

She seems to be left out constantly.

No you just don't up and get a job just to work.
It's a process that you find daycare and you apply for jobs according to the arrangments you've made.

Now this can be anything from 3 shifts. Jobs applied for have to pay for your means of living.

Casey could have easily obtained state assistance for day care. NO ONE had $400.00 dollars a week to shell out for daycare. That's absurd!

Casey was in fact irresponsible so this is where I bring it back to Cindy.

Her and George have been the sitters. Although not her job technically she was the family's financial support so why didn't she look into state assistance to help "HERSELF" out. Casey certainly wasn't going to do it.

Just wanted to reiterate I know it wasn't Cindy or George's job but they did take on the responsibility of housing, feeding, clothing etc. Casey and Caylee.

A two year old is not something you say your child your problem deal with it after all this time.

None of them worked together as a family unit. Until now. And now it's senseless. To little to late.

[daHawg]

That is true but an interesting point was brought up on NG last night. A caller asked if the tag on the blanket had been compared to the 'crib bumber's tag'...apparently, the numbers should match. If this is the case, and the tags match, since Casey said Zanny has everything for Caylee, how would she be able to explain/spin this?
If it was the "quilt" that was found with her then it could be matched up possibly with the numbers of the set. The "sets" come with fitted sheet, comforter, bumper pads and skirt on a 4pc set a 6 pc set comes with the crib headboard pad and also a diaper stacker. You can see the head board pad in the pics of Caylee's room so I believe she had the 6 pc set. If it was a "blankie" those you buy separately to match with the set and so the tag numbers will probably not be the same. IMO.

[playnice]

I wonder if any of the defense team regret jumping aboard this train wreck now that Caylees body is found and they cant use the "she is alive" defense?

[girlspell]

I too think which bag the body first resided in is xtra important. The docs do not give any indication that ,that was in in their thought process ,which it should have been imo

Laundry bag - does anyone wear uniforms that would could be gathered in a laundry bag furnhished by co and those laundry bags picked up by a cleaning service? Was it just a burlap type bag(duffle) type with no markings ? Certainly though the laundry bag is going to be further investigated .....on both sides ( pros) & (defense

The black garbage bag with yellow tie handles ....anyone remember if the black bag lorraines sifted through had yellow ties ?


I wonder when we will hear if there were positive prints on the bags at all ...should we have heard that by now , thats something they would have done straight away ! The fact we've heard nothing about latent prints lifted from those bags ,seems to me ,they found none and even the residue from the sticker , if there were prints seems we we have heard that in these docs?


That is the one piece of evidence that we need. And we have heard nothing. Somethng would have leaked (as the discovery of the tape, that got leaked before) Something about prints would have come out. I'm afraid they have were unable to get prints.

[Tracian]

That is true but an interesting point was brought up on NG last night. A caller asked if the tag on the blanket had been compared to the 'crib bumber's tag'...apparently, the numbers should match. If this is the case, and the tags match, since Casey said Zanny has everything for Caylee, how would she be able to explain/spin this?

You really have to marvel at the mind of Casey Anthony and the co dependency of her parents.

On the jail video, Casey told her parents that the 'nanny' had everything, even duplicate items for Caylee...Cindy is quick to validate that statement, then asks a follow up question "Has she ever been in the house" Casey picks up on the opening and says that the nanny has had a key for some time.

IMO, they were all posturing for the possibility that Caylee's remains and they knew that items that could be linked to the family home would be found with Caylee.

They knew that they were being taped, even without the signs, George knows how it works from his former profession in LE.


George told the media that the kidnappers were being watched, that they knew that Caylee has been moved more than once. Again I think that statement was made to not only support the story of an 'alive Caylee' but again to posture for the discovery of the remains.

Let us not forget also that Cindy, after finding the car and reporting to co-workers how bad it smelled had to be forced to leave work, and told her co-workers that she would not contact LE until Casey was given a chance to 'explain'.

The entire situation is beyond the scope of reality, IMO, it is not denial, it was a cover up from the time the car was found at the very least.

[bballgrl]

How are the Ants going to reconcile Casey's innocence with items from the house being with Caylee?

"She" may have been in the house. You know that Casey told Cindy that "she" had a key.... (maybe the phantom Nanny?)

[spiritwolf46]

Once again im late for the party so dont know if this was discussed but I found it interesting. {plant job? oops did I say that outloud?}

1. Dr henry Lee first evidence inspection at 1018 Nov 14th
2. 1248 Dr Lee, Mr.Baez and Mr Phlegar left the forensic for lunch
3. Dr Henry Lee second evidence inspection at 1415
4. after the inspection we {LE} found the following trace evidence {3 hairs}
5. Dr. Lee third inspection of the evidence..Dr. Lee found a hair in the trunk
6. 1610 Dr Lee left the office
7. 1740 after dr. lee left, LE conducted a re-inspection of evidence {looks like several more hairs and fibers were found that were not there before.

Im reading it as, after Lee, Baez and Phlegar examined the evidence additional hairs and fibers were found by LE that weren't there before their little visit. {IMO}

starts on page 3205 of LE numbering

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf


WOW SHEL!!!! Thank you SO much for this!

[Lilly12]

... didn't Casey tell Cindy that she gave the Nanny a key to the house? This would explain how she was able to sneak in and out without being detected to get stuff from the house that was later found with Caylee.


After Cindy prompted her. moo

[Pat]

The expense of a straightforward adoption aren't high enough to be cost prohibitive...a Battle for custody would be another matter entirely, tho. Where did Cindy think that Casey would get the money to fight for custody? Even with her "job" ( if you believe Cindy really thought she had one...I don't.), she STILL had to rely on her mother to pay for all of Caylee's needs, her car, her cell phone, AND other things.
It's so ridiculous to claim that her parents really thought she had a high paying job and couldn't even pay for a phone, diapers, or a better car! Some people are REALLY good at hiding their heads in the sand! REALLY good!
JMO.

Custody battle was exactly what I thought of. Probably because my son wouldn't have been able to afford to go through one (even with our help) if his ex had been so inclined. But, thankfully, she was more than willing to sign away all parental rights because she didn't want to be tied to having my gd except when she felt like it...which was rarely.

I see so much of the ex in Casey...it is scary. No job, the lies, the manipulation, sponging off others, no contact with her parents. I am so thankful son and gd have come out of that with no lasting damage.

[floridamom]

Although I live in FL I don't know how our state asst. works. I thought I saw where someone said that Casey was not entitled to assistance for Caylee because she refused to name the father. The state would be unable to go after him for support. Does anyone know if this is correct?

[margaritaville]

I wonder if any of the defense team regret jumping aboard this train wreck now that Caylees body is found and they cant use the "she is alive" defense?

Well i am sure none of them have been payed yet so any of them should be able to walk away........if they wanted too.........

[TisMeAgain]

Just like the drum set she had.

:rolleyes:

Don't forget she had everything Caylee needed clothes, toys, and car seat : )

[AlohaRainbow]

the only problem i have with cindy "knowing" Caylee was dead prior brings up the question of why did she call the police on the 15th?
If she knew Casey killed Caylee, why get the police involved just to try and cover it up??

moo
now that we know cindy talked to co-workers about the car smell, imo, the (only) reason she called 911 was because she knew that her co-workers knew.

how bad would *that* look (to her co-workers and eventually to LE) if caylee was found dead and cindy had never called LE?

[shelbar53]

Does anyone remember a jailhouse conversation that casey had with someone where casey says "she is my heart" refering to caylee. I seem to remember that but not sure.

[CelticDawn]

IMO, making the Anthony's "look" good is nearly impossible for ANYONE due to the simple fact that there is only ONE thing they could do now to make them more sympathetic and give the public any desire to view their actions in the better light. They MUST start to tell the truth and admit that they were upset, confused, desperate (whatever "explanation") to find other explanations, etc.for the events as the horror of the reality was jst too much...and admit that they LIED because of that. It isn't going to happen tho...these folks will never accept responsiblity for their own actions OR admit they have done wrong ( Casey either for that matter!). It isn't in their nature IMO, and there is no way they'd be willing to give up their role as "victims". I believe in their minds they can't understand that people would be forgiving and understanding enough to realize they have been victimized even tho. they have done wrong and lied, poss/prob. covered too. WHy? Because I can't see George and Cindy being forgiving of others in a similar situation...the judgements would be flying in that house if this were ( for example) Jesse Grund's family instead of their own.
JMO.
The truth will NEVER be accpeted by any of them, nor will they admit anymore wrongdoing than the little blurb Conway put out there immediately following the discovery of Caylee....."no more conflicting statements..." I believe was the way he put it. Frankly, even that admission by someone speaking for them surprised me!
Again, JMO.

This would be the time for them to actually stop everything that they have been doing. <I have bene in their position under another set of circumstances that now seem very minorto me>.

They can now accept that casey and nobody except casey murdered Caylee.. If they assisted her in the coverup, then they need to come clean about their parts in doing so.

They need to <which I doubt will happen due to the emotional dificulty> apologize to the public for their hateful remarks and they need to go to OCSD and FBI and tell the truth, no matter what that truth may be. Cleanse their souls of all of the deceit that has been held loe to their hearts.

Nobody is saying that anything that they say or do will be taken seriously, and they will be no doubt, heckled and blown off as just trying to save face......but no matter how their changes are received by the public, the family, and the Law enforcement agencies that they betrayed they NEED TO DO THIS....and Yes it will hurt....but it cant possibly hurt as badly as Caylee was hurt....and they need to acknowledge this fact,....more than anything.

Until they accept the harm that was done to Caylee....none of the other will matter.

[Jeepers]

I wonder if any of the defense team regret jumping aboard this train wreck now that Caylees body is found and they cant use the "she is alive" defense?

I think after knowing details of heart stickers, duct tape, etc I bet they feel like they are on an uphill climb.
If I was one of them I would be screaming discrimination!
All this discriminating evidense is gonna make me look worse than the Spector Trial. I would jump ship in a hurry! Everyman for himself at this point.
But before I did that I would have to stop by the jail and inform my former client that her goose was cooked just as a FYI.

[Neffy]

Don't forget she had everything Caylee needed clothes, toys, and car seat : )

I agree. I mean c'mon. How nice Casey found Mary Poppins.

She even came into the home of the children she nanny'd for.

[msgatorslayer]

Although I live in FL I don't know how our state asst. works. I thought I saw where someone said that Casey was not entitled to assistance for Caylee because she refused to name the father. The state would be unable to go after him for support. Does anyone know if this is correct?

I don't know how that works when someone doesn't know the Father's name. What happens if someone is raped and decides to keep the child? Hmmm!!

[ishkabibble]

I think Cindy was still able to communicate with Casey throughout the time just Cindy was not able to talk with Caylee. I think between texting and Casey's calls to phony set up a time and place for her and Cindy to meet up, then Casey would run to the house and steal food and get more clothes.
Cindy it appears to have been in touch with Casey.jmo

That is what George told LE when he was talking about opening the trunk in the tow yard. He told the guy that worked there that his granddaughter was missing. I think he thought when he opened that trunk he would see Caylee. jmo

You are correct Jeepers, Cindy's mom's emails confirm the Casey stealing clothes/food while Cindy waited to meet her somewhere. Cindy texted Casey about "a problem, call home" when the circumstances of the car being towed came to light.

[Jeepers]

Yeah they could have afford Caylee, if they got rid of Casey.

I think if George and Cindy actually went after Caylee I believe other family members would have gladly helped them with the funds needed for them to get Caylee and get Casey out of the house.

[ishkabibble]

now that we know cindy talked to co-workers about the car smell, imo, the (only) reason she called 911 was because she knew that her co-workers knew.

how bad would *that* look (to her co-workers and eventually to LE) if caylee was found dead and cindy had never called LE?

but if she was covering things up, why would she tell them about the smell? they would not have any way of knowing about it so why tell them?

[Heyes]

I hope she does get one made. That is so funny. I love to listen to mine talk about this case. I have 3 .. 33, 26, and 24 their perspectives of the partying and the men just amazes them.
Of course they then get a reality check and look at me and say they would never have gotten away with any of things Casey did.
Life is just not Fair... You Need to look at me as the victim.

Let me know when she gets it. I just love kids and their smart mouths in a good way!

That's the thing, when you talk to anyone close to caseys age they just cannot believe it. Both my girls thought she acted more like a 13 year old. And yeah they said the same. She would never have gotten away with any of this in our house. They also said regarding george and his couch sitting habits, "neither would have dad". lol
Maybe she should make up those shirts? hmmmm.

[kOOkie1]

In regards to the *Black plastic bag with yellow pull handles* - the ones from this day have RED handles..Does anyone remember when this was?
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17429672/detail.html


I also thought I remember a pic awhile back of George taking out the trash??

[Neffy]

Although I live in FL I don't know how our state asst. works. I thought I saw where someone said that Casey was not entitled to assistance for Caylee because she refused to name the father. The state would be unable to go after him for support. Does anyone know if this is correct?

There are benefits to low income families.

[msgatorslayer]

This is another thing that bothered me about the interview with the co-workers. Cindy claiming that they could not afford to go for custody of Caylee. I am also asking where did Cindy think that Casey was going to have enough money for some huge custody battle. I think that Cindy was just one of those women you meet who complain, complain and complain some more but won't do anything to change their situation. I have no patience for those types, but I run into them every day.

ITA - Stop paying Casey's $300-$500 a month cell bill and find an attorney.

[FeelinFroggy617]

I think Cindy was still able to communicate with Casey throughout the time just Cindy was not able to talk with Caylee. I think between texting and Casey's calls to phony set up a time and place for her and Cindy to meet up, then Casey would run to the house and steal food and get more clothes.
Cindy it appears to have been in touch with Casey.jmo

That is what George told LE when he was talking about opening the trunk in the tow yard. He told the guy that worked there that his granddaughter was missing. I think he thought when he opened that trunk he would see Caylee. jmo


This may have been discussed or brought up before and I apologize if it was but if you TRULY believe your granddaughter was dropped off at the Nannys, why was Caylees bookbag, dollbaby etc. in the back seat of the car!???

[playnice]

now that we know cindy talked to co-workers about the car smell, imo, the (only) reason she called 911 was because she knew that her co-workers knew.

how bad would *that* look (to her co-workers and eventually to LE) if caylee was found dead and cindy had never called LE?

I think one of the co workers would have called if Cindy didnt.

[floridamom]

I don't know how that works when someone doesn't know the Father's name. What happens if someone is raped and decides to keep the child? Hmmm!!

all i know if that they were playing with fire. remember that women in the Tampa area who didnot list a father on the birth certificate. 6 years later dad found out he had a child and they took that boy from her and gave him custody ... i believe he lived in Alabama. Still couldn't believe that one.

[aubrey04]

Well see Casey is not going to be able to explain anything since there is no way she will get up on the stand and testify.
so if she does not testify she can not be asked those kinds of questions.
So IMO Baez has nothing but to try and dispute the forensic evidence.
He can not testify ...the way I understand it whatever he says in opening statements he has to prove during the trial....if he says there was a nanny I would think he should have to produce evidence that there was indeed a nanny ....if not the prosecution will remind the court that the defense has not proven such .I think I am right there.

Neil Entwistle's lawyer threw out an alternate theory at the 11th hour during closing arguments of Entwistle's trial. Nothing was testified to that even resembled what Entwistle's lawyer, Elliot Weinstein, alleged in CA.. but he still "went there". The prosecution probably wouldn't get away with doing that, but the defense has more leeway.

It was bizarre during Entwistle's trial.. I had never seen anything like it, but it's not like the DA was going to object afterwards.. Entwistle was convicted.

jmo

[apothecary]

I just cant believe how George being former LE would have thought that none of this would be revealed and that they would still get away with it.Perhaps he decided to go along with the story for a while to keep his family out of trouble and do away with himself later.He had bought a gun

[farrahrani]

There are benefits to low income families.

In that case, Casey would not have qualified. She had no expenses, since she lived at home and mom and dad were paying everything.
She would have to provide proof of expenses, rental agreement and copies of bills in her name. I had to do this to get medicaid for my disabled children. We don't get any other benefits, but I needed the medicaid as most insurances will not cover physical and speech therapy for certain types of disabilities.

You have to show proof of income, and proof of expenses to show you are in need. Since she had no income or expenses, there would have been no point in even trying to apply.

[floridamom]

I was confused yesterday about the heart sticker. Because the reports don't specify where exactly they found the actual heart sticker. Some of the nice folks here clarified that the heart sticker was found inside the bag most likely because I had questions as to how a heart sticker could have been dropped somewhere outside the bag and still be able to survive the Tropical Storm, heavy rains and winds. So the heart was inside the bag, that makes sense.

When I was watching NG last night, the red head gal was talking about this and said that the heart was not inside the bag, but that after the sticky substance was detected on the tape, the police went back to the area and located the actual sticker. So now I am back to being confused. Was the sticker in or out of the bag and if out, then how did it manage to survive the hurricane?

TS Faye did not consume anything. It just gets everthing wet and maybe blown around....unless it was in a heavily wooded area where it would be some what protected from the wind.

[aubrey04]

Yeah they could have afford Caylee, if they got rid of Casey.

Ain't that the truth?!? Too bad they didn't go with that plan of action.

jmo

[Jeepers]

It won't be. Casey has been afforded a great deal of time in that home thanks to Leonard Padilla, and I'm quite certain the sticker sheet is long gone.

They might not find the sticker sheet but, I bet they find heart stickers on/in photo albums, scrapebooks that match what they did find at the scene. I hope that there is enough of the adhesive residue on the duct tape to match to adhesive of the heart they found.

[Heyes]

Once again im late for the party so dont know if this was discussed but I found it interesting. {plant job? oops did I say that outloud?}

1. Dr henry Lee first evidence inspection at 1018 Nov 14th
2. 1248 Dr Lee, Mr.Baez and Mr Phlegar left the forensic for lunch
3. Dr Henry Lee second evidence inspection at 1415
4. after the inspection we {LE} found the following trace evidence {3 hairs}
5. Dr. Lee third inspection of the evidence..Dr. Lee found a hair in the trunk
6. 1610 Dr Lee left the office
7. 1740 after dr. lee left, LE conducted a re-inspection of evidence {looks like several more hairs and fibers were found that were not there before.

Im reading it as, after Lee, Baez and Phlegar examined the evidence additional hairs and fibers were found by LE that weren't there before their little visit. {IMO}

starts on page 3205 of LE numbering

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0121/18530363.pdf

Ha!
BOMBSHELL!!

[CelticDawn]

I just cant believe how George being former LE would have thought that none of this would be revealed and that they would still get away with it.Perhaps he decided to go along with the story for a while to keep his family out of trouble and do away with himself later.He had bought a gun


I know that Im going to get flack for this ...but I think George was totally taken over by Cindy AND casey.....He KNEW BETTER from day 1 and I think he felt that something bad had happened as early as JUNE 16th...NO July....July 24 was just confirmation for hi,.....I think if NAYBODY was being forced to go along with any of this and anybody was in denial it was GEORGE.

[farrahrani]

I was confused yesterday about the heart sticker. Because the reports don't specify where exactly they found the actual heart sticker. Some of the nice folks here clarified that the heart sticker was found inside the bag most likely because I had questions as to how a heart sticker could have been dropped somewhere outside the bag and still be able to survive the Tropical Storm, heavy rains and winds. So the heart was inside the bag, that makes sense.

When I was watching NG last night, the red head gal was talking about this and said that the heart was not inside the bag, but that after the sticky substance was detected on the tape, the police went back to the area and located the actual sticker. So now I am back to being confused. Was the sticker in or out of the bag and if out, then how did it manage to survive the hurricane?

If it was a paper sticker it would have to have been protected, like in the bag, IMO.

But it could have been a glossy sticker or a foil sticker, like the Lisa Frank ones, those are very long lasting. I put them on my notebooks as a teen and they come in all shapes, sizes, and types. I had huge heartshaped glossy ones with unicorns on them, and tiny foil red heart stickers. They seemed to last a ridiculously long time :tongueside:

[OneUp]

I was confused yesterday about the heart sticker. Because the reports don't specify where exactly they found the actual heart sticker. Some of the nice folks here clarified that the heart sticker was found inside the bag most likely because I had questions as to how a heart sticker could have been dropped somewhere outside the bag and still be able to survive the Tropical Storm, heavy rains and winds. So the heart was inside the bag, that makes sense.

When I was watching NG last night, the red head gal was talking about this and said that the heart was not inside the bag, but that after the sticky substance was detected on the tape, the police went back to the area and located the actual sticker. So now I am back to being confused. Was the sticker in or out of the bag and if out, then how did it manage to survive the hurricane?It may have been INSIDE the bag until fairly recently when either animals pulled the bag open. it deteriorated to the point of falling apart ( from heat, sun, etc.), or it snagged on a branch, etc. when floating in the water.
We have some "foil" looking stickers that are printed on holographic looking plastic. It is more like the clear inserts in the front of Barbie boxes than like paper or vinyl. A sticker like that couls survive quite a while in the elements and probably only fade a little. Think of car bumperstickers and things like that which are essentially "stickers". they can be pretty tough.
Just some "possibilities".
JMO.

[Lilly12]

This is another thing that bothered me about the interview with the co-workers. Cindy claiming that they could not afford to go for custody of Caylee. I am also asking where did Cindy think that Casey was going to have enough money for some huge custody battle. I think that Cindy was just one of those women you meet who complain, complain and complain some more but won't do anything to change their situation. I have no patience for those types, but I run into them every day.


Maybe Casey could have gotten legal aid to fight Cindy, where as Cindy would have to paid her own legal fees. Just a thought. I am not defending Cindy, I am one who believes Cindy should be investigated. I did not like the woman from the first time I saw her on Greta, saying something about, Greta wanting her to collapse for sensationalism, something like that. moo

[read-in]

Good morning Everyone,:rolleyes:
Still early here.
I filled my head up so much info----now, things are strarting to fall out!!!:laugh:

[?noanswer]

:seeya:

I must come to the conclusion that Casey's DNA buccal swab was compared to Caylee's DNA profile to establish definite parenthood.

There is only one thing in the documents that suggests Lee's DNA was compared to Caylee's for the purpose of 'parentage.'

And that thing states only this → Note: Please compare DNA profile of Lee Anthony against DNA profile of Caylee Anthony (http://www.wftv.com/news/18530418/detail.html). Bottom of page forty four.

Page 53 of 53 has "DNA parentage Test Report" listed. JMO

[in4infor]

In that case, Casey would not have qualified. She had no expenses, since she lived at home and mom and dad were paying everything.
She would have to provide proof of expenses, rental agreement and copies of bills in her name. I had to do this to get medicaid for my disabled children. We don't get any other benefits, but I needed the medicaid as most insurances will not cover physical and speech therapy for certain types of disabilities.

You have to show proof of income, and proof of expenses to show you are in need. Since she had no income or expenses, there would have been no point in even trying to apply.

That is correct here as well, my daughter is disabled also and I just lost all my coverage for her.

[aubrey04]

I thought I read somewhere that DNA from Caylee was found on the shovel? Or maybe it was the Nancy Grace talking heads saying this????

Nope. Caylee's DNA was NOT found on the shovel.

IIRC, There was one hair found on the shovel, but I believe they were unable to match it.. and the entire specimen was consumed testing it.. but Caylee's DNA was definitely NOT found on the shovel.

[OneUp]

They might not find the sticker sheet but, I bet they find heart stickers on/in photo albums, scrapebooks that match what they did find at the scene. I hope that there is enough of the adhesive residue on the duct tape to match to adhesive of the heart they found.I'm sure it can be tracked down to the company that makes the stickers too. If they can find any other sticker from the same sheet or scrapbooking "kit" in the house, OR a credit card purchase of the same, then it will be one more link to Casey. I can "see" explaining some of the evidence as being an attempt by "the nanny" to frame Casey, but at some point it gets ludicrous to ask the jury to believe that this person no only loved Caylee so much she provided for her, took her on holidays, kept her for days on end, and stole her from her mother...BUT also murdered her, and spent HOURS searching through things in the Anthony household that couls be used to frame Casey.
I think any juror with a lick of sense would wonde why "Zanny" would hang around in a house she had no business in, a house the neighbors would SURELY notice she didn't live in OR belong in when no one was home, and find multiple things to leave with Caylee to frame Casey. It's too big a stetch IMO, one or two things sure...but not the sticker, the bags, the blanket, and so on.
JMO.

[msgatorslayer]

In that case, Casey would not have qualified. She had no expenses, since she lived at home and mom and dad were paying everything.
She would have to provide proof of expenses, rental agreement and copies of bills in her name. I had to do this to get medicaid for my disabled children. We don't get any other benefits, but I needed the medicaid as most insurances will not cover physical and speech therapy for certain types of disabilities.

You have to show proof of income, and proof of expenses to show you are in need. Since she had no income or expenses, there would have been no point in even trying to apply.

Excellent point. And if Cindy started charging her to live there, and gave records of monies owed, etc, that then, would have forced Casey to seek, [faint] a job!!!

[Daffodil]

The co-workers also thought it was unusually strange that Cindy didn't know how to contact Zanny or who she was. What I find weird is for someone who supposedly is a loving grandmother, Cindy sure is complaining alot about "always having Caylee" according to her co-workers in that one police interview. I would kill to have my grandchildren all the time or for them to live in our house or vice versa. It just seems to me that in some obscure way, little Caylee was a nuisance to everyone in that household.

My bolding. I really don't think this was a loving family or environment for a child. I don't think Cindy is the doting kind. I just don't see how Cindy could tell Casey that Caylee was her best mistake. How can anyone refer to a child as a mistake and claim to be a loving grandmother? I just don't think a loving grandmother has it in her to tell her daughters friends what a sociapath she is. Cindy's behavior prior to all of this and after it started until now just does now present itself as a loving person.

[AnnInOhio]

Has there been any link(s) put out to verify whether or not Casey has released control of Caylee's body to anyone else - either grandparents or Baez - who can authorize that poor child's burial?

[Neffy]

In that case, Casey would not have qualified. She had no expenses, since she lived at home and mom and dad were paying everything.
She would have to provide proof of expenses, rental agreement and copies of bills in her name. I had to do this to get medicaid for my disabled children. We don't get any other benefits, but I needed the medicaid as most insurances will not cover physical and speech therapy for certain types of disabilities.

You have to show proof of income, and proof of expenses to show you are in need. Since she had no income or expenses, there would have been no point in even trying to apply.


You always have expenses the state allows whether you live at home or not.

The state doesn't expect a mother and child to live off of their parents/grandparents and will assist the mother in finding employment/school and obtaining day care.

[?noanswer]

Just catching up-quickly read thru docs several hours ago...

I may be mistaken but I believe there were animal hairs on blanket in bag-CA did say the dogs slept on KLee bed.

As far as other fibers,I believe alot were found but not sure from where.

IIRC,MOO

Can dog hair be traced to a specific dog using DNA? If not a DNA test, are there are tests that could be used?
JMO

[ishkabibble]

According to Cindy (to LE, IIRC) her and George WERE ALREADY paying for all those things for Caylee. So what would full time care have done financially that wasn't already happening?

JMO

i don't think Cindy wanted custody, she wanted Casey to take care of her daughter. She was tired. She worked everyday and carried the financial burden of not just George but Casey too. She was then expected to spend her evenings looking after a 2-3 yr old? I don't think she minded the occasional babysitting, but her coworker said she routinely had Casey dropping Caylee off at her job so Casey could go to "work". George and Cindy both said they had primary care of Caylee most weekends too. I'm sorry but that is a lot for a 50something woman, no matter how much she loves her grandchild. George was probably irritated that he had daily breakfast duty, while Casey slept.

Casey's friend Lauren Gibbs said Casey dumped Caylee on her many days so that casey could go to "work" . Lauren got fed up when she learned Casey was out with her friends and not working. Casey had no interest in being a mother, I think Cindy thought she would mature as Caylee got older and take more responsbility for her, but Casey wanted her freedom.

[OneUp]

Maybe Casey could have gotten legal aid to fight Cindy, where as Cindy would have to paid her own legal fees. Just a thought. I am not defending Cindy, I am one who believes Cindy should be investigated. I did not like the woman from the first time I saw her on Greta, saying something about, Greta wanting her to collapse for sensationalism, something like that. mooNope...I TRIED to get legal aid to help me fight for sole custody of my eldest when I was young and still in college full time. The wouldn't help with that OR fighting for Child Support.
I can't iimagine why, of all things, the state wouldn't help a parent with custody and/or support, but unless that is only true in Kansas, she couldn't have gotten any help other than a referral to lawyers who handle such cases.
O/T, but I was REALLY pissed that I couldn't get help! I had to start sitting kids overnight to make the money for my legal expenses! I was already a full time student and worked a 40+ hour a week job and cuoldn't get help. My income was low enough, but they told me to come back if I ever got charged with a crime and they could help me THEN...if I was a criminal instead of just a parent wanting the best for her child.
Some Govt. programs make no sense!
JMO.

[Jeepers]

That's the thing, when you talk to anyone close to caseys age they just cannot believe it. Both my girls thought she acted more like a 13 year old. And yeah they said the same. She would never have gotten away with any of this in our house. They also said regarding george and his couch sitting habits, "neither would have dad". lol
Maybe she should make up those shirts? hmmmm.

I think it would be fun for her to do it.
If one of mine ran out of gas they know Dad would help them out but, it would not be something they would want to repeat on a frequent basis. My DH gets long winded when he reprimands. Getting gas cans out our garage without permission and then letting the F bombs fly.. Never would happen unless they wanted to
end up like little Petey.:w00t:

[Neffy]

Has there been any link(s) put out to verify whether or not Casey has released control of Caylee's body to anyone else - either grandparents or Baez - who can authorize that poor child's burial?

Hey Ann,

The only thing I'm aware of is from Baez' own mouth during his Greta interview and during the motions hearing.

Baez currently has control and is citing he needs more info from the state before he can release it.

[Heyes]

In that case, Casey would not have qualified. She had no expenses, since she lived at home and mom and dad were paying everything.
She would have to provide proof of expenses, rental agreement and copies of bills in her name. I had to do this to get medicaid for my disabled children. We don't get any other benefits, but I needed the medicaid as most insurances will not cover physical and speech therapy for certain types of disabilities.

You have to show proof of income, and proof of expenses to show you are in need. Since she had no income or expenses, there would have been no point in even trying to apply.
I also believe at some point there are programs she would be required to join that helps people get jobs and helps with daycare. I know at one time they required that you look for work and wanted a monthly report of the places you applied for work.
Sooo if she heard about that.........

[?noanswer]

Which makes it sound as if she carried her out of the house within a laundry bag so as to look like she was taking clothes somewhere when all along it was her baby. :angry:

A laundry bag might have been easier to carry also. Some of them have a rope kind of closure. Don't know about the one that was recovered. She could have thrown it over her shoulder. Plastic ties on garbage bags tend to strech/break. JMO

[Dunlurken]

I thought I read somewhere that DNA from Caylee was found on the shovel? Or maybe it was the Nancy Grace talking heads saying this????

Morning all! DNA in the form of a 1/4 inch piece of hair. JMO.

[Jeepers]

Can dog hair be traced to a specific dog using DNA? If not a DNA test, are there are tests that could be used?
JMO

Yes, I saw that on a show awhile back. I don't remember all the details but it was a murder home invasion and they shot the dog and they were able to trace the dog's blood and hair back to the killer.

[AMS]

Has there been any link(s) put out to verify whether or not Casey has released control of Caylee's body to anyone else - either grandparents or Baez - who can authorize that poor child's burial?

Baez said in court that he was responsible for the remains and the funeral. That's all I have heard/seen.

IMO.

[Dunlurken]

Maybe Florida has their own version of tropical storms. Where I live, and I am right on the water, even during just a heavy rain and thunderstorm, no piece of paper survives out in the lawn. I mean, it was a piece of paper that weighed nothing. I just can't wrap my mind around heavy rains and winds and a tiny itsy bitsy sticker out laying in the grass and leaves not getting blown away or disintegrating under heavy rainwater.

From what I heard, the sticker was on the duct tape over the mouth. Not out in the wilderness. JMO. (But I was absent yesterday!)

[msgatorslayer]

I was confused yesterday about the heart sticker. Because the reports don't specify where exactly they found the actual heart sticker. Some of the nice folks here clarified that the heart sticker was found inside the bag most likely because I had questions as to how a heart sticker could have been dropped somewhere outside the bag and still be able to survive the Tropical Storm, heavy rains and winds. So the heart was inside the bag, that makes sense.

When I was watching NG last night, the red head gal was talking about this and said that the heart was not inside the bag, but that after the sticky substance was detected on the tape, the police went back to the area and located the actual sticker. So now I am back to being confused. Was the sticker in or out of the bag and if out, then how did it manage to survive the hurricane?

Casey was released while TS Fay was in town, or on the outskirts of town. Watch this video and see what you think about the weather conditions during a TS. It was a rain event. With mild wind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKO9MZaPi5c