Wednesday Jan 21 Casey Anthony PART I

[~layla~]

:smile:New thread for the new day beginning.

[Lagoon]

Thanks for starting this thread.

I was reading GA's interview with LE earlier, and IIRC, LE said Casey had about 1200 pics on her photobucket account. Does anyone have a link to that account?

[Lagoon]

Darn, I forgot to add this part to my post, and I can't edit it because of time limit, so here it is:


IIRC, one of Casey's friends (bf Anthony maybe?) said that Casey's MySpace originally had 1200 pics on it and most of them were deleted. Are these pics the same that were at photobucket, or did she also have 1200 pics on MySpace as well?

TIA to anyone and everyone that answers.

[need2no]

Darn, I forgot to add this part to my post, and I can't edit it because of time limit, so here it is:


IIRC, one of Casey's friends (bf Anthony maybe?) said that Casey's MySpace originally had 1200 pics on it and most of them were deleted. Are these pics the same that were at photobucket, or did she also have 1200 pics on MySpace as well?

TIA to anyone and everyone that answers.


Many of us here wish we had a link of the pics to share - LOL. The FBI advised George they had discovered over 1200 compromising pics of casey, apparently when they searched her hard drive since the pics had been deleted.

I believe Jesse Grund also mentioned maybe 200 or so pics of Caylee previously on casey's photobucket had been deleted.

[Lagoon]

Many of us here wish we had a link of the pics to share - LOL. The FBI advised George they had discovered over 1200 compromising pics of casey, apparently when they searched her hard drive since the pics had been deleted.

I believe Jesse Grund also mentioned maybe 200 or so pics of Caylee previously on casey's photobucket had been deleted.

Did George see the pics? How did he react?

Thanks for correcting me about Jesse Grund. I sure hope LE can recover the deleted pics from photobucket, but I'm not enough of a techno-whiz to know if it's even possible to save the pics from photobucket's servers.

On a slightly bizarre note... before I registered here, I was looking around photobucket to see what pics I could find of Caylee, Casey, etc. I found one picture labeled "Casey Anthony" and the young girl in it was a dead ringer for her. She was performing an act that I will not describe. At the time, I just thought it was someone trying to use her name to get attention to their filthy picture. Is it possible that I saw Casey herself in that picture?

[Mimi428]

Is it possible that I saw Casey herself in that picture?

I sure don't know, but if you want to keep your nic, I'd tread REAL carefully around that kind of subject. You sure can't post a link to what you are referring to, that would be against the TOS. And considering what the moderator has told us about not speculating about sexual subjects for any of the people involved, unless it has already been at least semi-sorta reported by a reputable source or LE - I would be mighty careful about the whole issue.

But that's just me, YMMV.

[Lagoon]

I sure don't know, but if you want to keep your nic, I'd tread REAL carefully around that kind of subject. You sure can't post a link to what you are referring to, that would be against the TOS. And considering what the moderator has told us about not speculating about sexual subjects for any of the people involved, unless it has already been at least semi-sorta reported by a reputable source or LE - I would be mighty careful about the whole issue.

But that's just me, YMMV.

Thanks for the warning. I will definitely not post any links or any other info and I won't say anything further on the subject.
Come to think of it, I think I'll go back to lurking. No offense to anyone, I just don't want to cause headaches for the mods here because I accidentally broke a rule.

I'll be here, I'll just be on the other side of the login so I don't stir up any trouble.

[cherish]

Morning night owls, yesterday I was :thumbsup: Obama, but I caught a drift of the conversation about a video showing the theory of Casey disposing of Caylee through the back paths. I agree that this is a good theory, but I renewed that video over and over, and to me it doesn't look like it's the Anthony's back yard.

I remember viewing links to maps of the Anthony's house, (I had all the links, but hubby "helped me" and now all my bookmarks are gone), but (I still love him), anyway.....

Could someone please post the link to the map of the Anthony house.
IIRC, the yard looked smaller, more cluttered, and it backed up to a more open area.

Also, it has been reported that the Anthony's lived 15 houses away from where Caylee's remains were found. In this video it looks about 10 houses.

[Mimi428]

Thanks for the warning. I will definitely not post any links or any other info and I won't say anything further on the subject.
Come to think of it, I think I'll go back to lurking. No offense to anyone, I just don't want to cause headaches for the mods here because I accidentally broke a rule.

I'll be here, I'll just be on the other side of the login so I don't stir up any trouble.

Keep posting, it helps keep our thinking sharp. You know now the subjects that traditionally have gotten negative attention from the moderator, so you can avoid them.

There has been much discussion & speculation on what, exactly, Baez has been selling, licensing, etc to cover the expenses of the defense - my guess is that photos that may have been on her myspace account could be stuff he has gotten the promise of money for. I don't think they necessarily have to be of the really bad variety, I believe she had many photos of Caylee that were also deleted.

But ultimately, I really do not know much of anything & apparently Baez is not inclined to answer those sorts of questions.

JMO

[Mimi428]

Morning night owls, yesterday I was :thumbsup: Obama, but I caught a drift of the conversation about a video showing the theory of Casey disposing of Caylee through the back paths. I agree that this is a good theory, but I renewed that video over and over, and to me it doesn't look like it's the Anthony's back yard.

I remember viewing links to maps of the Anthony's house, (I had all the links, but hubby "helped me" and now all my bookmarks are gone), but (I still love him), anyway.....

Could someone please post the link to the map of the Anthony house.
IIRC, the yard looked smaller, more cluttered, and it backed up to a more open area.

Also, it has been reported that the Anthony's lived 15 houses away from where Caylee's remains were found. In this video it looks about 10 houses.

Maybe this will help. Here is a link to all the posts on this board with the word "map" in it -

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?searchid=386916

[Narcissist71]

Thanks for the warning. I will definitely not post any links or any other info and I won't say anything further on the subject.
Come to think of it, I think I'll go back to lurking. No offense to anyone, I just don't want to cause headaches for the mods here because I accidentally broke a rule.

I'll be here, I'll just be on the other side of the login so I don't stir up any trouble.

Hey don't do that......we all make mistakes.....

No need to hide in the shadows.....

You weren't stirring trouble, and Mimi was just letting you know.....

hey and if you get banned for a time, you can lurk ;)

Anyway welcome and hope you post more (maybe not on that topic though) ;)

[cherish]

Maybe this will help. Here is a link to all the posts on this board with the word "map" in it -

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/search.php?searchid=386916

Thanks, sorry I was such a bother.

[Narcissist71]

Thanks, sorry I was such a bother.

Here is Live Search Map of the A's House....click on Aerial

Live Search Map of A's house (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?wip=2&v=2&rtp=~&FORM=MSNH#JnE9eXAuNDkzNytIb3Blc3ByaW5nK0RyJTQwMiUy YytPcmxhbmRvJTJjK0ZMKzMyODI5JTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJm JiPTUxLjk5ODQxMDM4MjM5MDMlN2UtNTguMTgzNTkzNzUlN2Uy My40ODM0MDA2NTQzMjU2JTdlLTExMS41MzMyMDMxMjU=)

[Narcissist71]

Here is the house in the "Path Theory".....it appears to be 4811 Hopespring Dr.

Other House, Not the A's Home (http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?wip=2&v=2&rtp=~&FORM=MSNH#JnE9eXAuNDgxMStIb3Blc3ByaW5nK0RyJTQwMiUy YytPcmxhbmRvJTJjK0ZMJTdlc3N0LjAlN2VwZy4xJmJiPTUxLj k5ODQxMDM4MjM5MDMlN2UtNTguMTgzNTkzNzUlN2UyMy40ODM0 MDA2NTQzMjU2JTdlLTExMS41MzMyMDMxMjU=)

[Jeepers]

Good morning everyone!
I am hoping we get the docs today. With all the speculation about how Casey dumped Caylee to me anything is possible. I know that Casey is lazy and feel that she does not put any effort into anything except partying but, she knew those woods behind her house,she played in them when she was younger and if the neighborhood kids still played in them I would think there would be trails so it would not be that hard to walk through. I think she would be able to carry/drag Caylee through that area if her adrenelin was up.
The car theory works better in my mind just because it would be quick. Drive up Dump and Drive off. The thought of someone seeing her would be a bigger risk than the wood's theory but if she had gas cans with her and if someone saw her she would have a good alibi for being seen.
Casey had enough thought to trick Cindy to ensure that Cindy would not be at home and then go raid the fridge. Casey took care of herself she never went without food,clean clothes or money. So, her taking the wooded path or just the drive by either method would not surprise me. jmo

[MichelleP]

Casey was too far gone by the time she admitted she was pregnant. Her only choice when she was discovered was to have the baby or give it up. I find it interesting during Cindy's LE interview that she believes in abortion under certain circumstances. Casey learned her values from Cindy .... choke... cough...."She's just like me." Let me tell you if LE asked me about my kids or myself I would never pretend perfection because it just isn't so. We all get annoyed with our kids and our husbands (and ourselves) at times but not in the house of Anthony. imo

I have a question what was new in this interview/video that everyone is talking about. Unfortunately I can't watch it now, but what things were said and someone said in the topic there is no way that Cindy made that call? What call you talking about and why do you feel that way? Thank you.

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle


:rose::rose::rose:


Caylee Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[PuffDragon]

Good morning everyone!
I am hoping we get the docs today. With all the speculation about how Casey dumped Caylee to me anything is possible. I know that Casey is lazy and feel that she does not put any effort into anything except partying but, she knew those woods behind her house,she played in them when she was younger and if the neighborhood kids still played in them I would think there would be trails so it would not be that hard to walk through. I think she would be able to carry/drag Caylee through that area if her adrenelin was up.
The car theory works better in my mind just because it would be quick. Drive up Dump and Drive off. The thought of someone seeing her would be a bigger risk than the wood's theory but if she had gas cans with her and if someone saw her she would have a good alibi for being seen.
Casey had enough thought to trick Cindy to ensure that Cindy would not be at home and then go raid the fridge. Casey took care of herself she never went without food,clean clothes or money. So, her taking the wooded path or just the drive by either method would not surprise me. jmo

*Bolding mine

Mornin' Jeepers and all!

Just musing...... I agree that in the area of her comfort zone Casey would be capable of coming up with some quick plan that she might not think to do somewhere else, and that might seem a bizarre action to us because we didn't grow up and be completely familiar with the place.
I hope that made sense. I rewrote it three times and it still doesn't sound exactly like what I was trying to say.

We're all thinking about carrying a bag and would or wouldn't she be able to manage it. Probably the weight isn't as much a factor as how Casey would hold it to carry. How would I hold a bag full of decomposing dead weight? Certainly not against my body or over my shoulder (I'm cringing as I write this). Dangling from my hand like a bag of groceries? Now that would be too heavy, and would make me lurch lopsidedly. I know I couldn't carry it very far in my two hands out in front like when you hand somebody a large sheet cake...... It's not so much the weight as where the center of gravity and positioning is. So how then?

Dragging it really does seem to be the most likely way to me, trying to imagine myself doing it. But of course, as someone said a while ago, the bag would be all ripped from being snagged in the vegetation. So........ ? If it were up north here I'd say some kind of sled. Maybe a wagon? But there's been no mention of a wagon.....

Ohmygosh...... a shovel???? Dragging the shovel behind.....???? Yikes, that would explain the shovel!!! Oh my, I have to think about this.:ohmy:

[callmetree]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle


:rose::rose::rose:


Caylee Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033



thanks ellegna !

[ellegna]

No Change Of Venue Motion Filed In Casey Anthony Case

The Orange County court says a motion has not been filed for a change of venue in Casey Anthony's murder trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/20/no_change_of_venue_motion_filed_in_casey_anthony_c ase.html

[n/t]

I have a question what was new in this interview/video that everyone is talking about. Unfortunately I can't watch it now, but what things were said and someone said in the topic there is no way that Cindy made that call? What call you talking about and why do you feel that way? Thank you.

If you're talking about the jailhouse video (Aug 14) that was recently released, we see a side of Casey that we hadn't seen before. Angry, frustrated and threatening her parents that she would get up and leave to go back to her cell if her parents continued to ask her about Caylee. She said she couldn't do anything from where she's at. She was limited to the tools she needed. Internet access being one. All the while, George and Cindy coddled her and spoke to her like she was a child and trying desperately not to upset her. Casey giggled when she saw Cindy crying and said something like 'why is she crying already" with a smile on her face.

It shows her sociopathic evilness. Not once did she ask about Caylee. She cried for herself. She said life wasn't fair.

Very disturbing to watch but worth it if you want to get a glimpse of a lying socipath accused of murdering her baby girl.

As for your last comment, I have no idea who would be questioning whether or not Cindy made that phone call? What phone call? The 911?

[KKKKKKatie]

No Change Of Venue Motion Filed In Casey Anthony Case

The Orange County court says a motion has not been filed for a change of venue in Casey Anthony's murder trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/20/no_change_of_venue_motion_filed_in_casey_anthony_c ase.html

didn't JB say that the motion was ready to go??? What is he waiting for? :rolleyes:

[callmetree]

No Change Of Venue Motion Filed In Casey Anthony Case

The Orange County court says a motion has not been filed for a change of venue in Casey Anthony's murder trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/20/no_change_of_venue_motion_filed_in_casey_anthony_c ase.html

i wonder why he hasn't done this? this whole case get's more confusing each day.:glare:

[CNTM]

Mornin' all!

Is there a legal way that a defense team can file any sort of motion to prohibit the prosecution form using certain items that are in evidence?
Such as filing that a certain video shows the defendant in a bad way due to extreme stress, illness, etc. or if it is entered into evidence can the prosecution use it regardless of what the defense says?
Did I make sense with that one?
TIA

[Jeepers]

*Bolding mine

Mornin' Jeepers and all!

Just musing...... I agree that in the area of her comfort zone Casey would be capable of coming up with some quick plan that she might not think to do somewhere else, and that might seem a bizarre action to us because we didn't grow up and be completely familiar with the place.
I hope that made sense. I rewrote it three times and it still doesn't sound exactly like what I was trying to say.

We're all thinking about carrying a bag and would or wouldn't she be able to manage it. Probably the weight isn't as much a factor as how Casey would hold it to carry. How would I hold a bag full of decomposing dead weight? Certainly not against my body or over my shoulder (I'm cringing as I write this). Dangling from my hand like a bag of groceries? Now that would be too heavy, and would make me lurch lopsidedly. I know I couldn't carry it very far in my two hands out in front like when you hand somebody a large sheet cake...... It's not so much the weight as where the center of gravity and positioning is. So how then?

Dragging it really does seem to be the most likely way to me, trying to imagine myself doing it. But of course, as someone said a while ago, the bag would be all ripped from being snagged in the vegetation. So........ ? If it were up north here I'd say some kind of sled. Maybe a wagon? But there's been no mention of a wagon.....

Ohmygosh...... a shovel???? Dragging the shovel behind.....???? Yikes, that would explain the shovel!!! Oh my, I have to think about this.:ohmy:

What you said makes perfectly good sense to me. I thought about a wagon also but that has not been mentioned as far a the scent dogs hitting . I know getting groceries out of my vehicle is pretty tiring but, I am not scared or have a adrenlin rush going on. Casey was pretty manic acting according to the flurry of telephone calls, not sleeping much then report I believe from TonE that she slept for a bout 12 hours at one point then according to telephone records there were times where she appeared to be sleeping 3-4 hours then back on the phone. She could have really been hyped.
Her needing to get rid of the body had her spooked. The woods would have been tougher route but she had more cover. The car was easier and quicker but her chances of being seen was greater. I think she was running on adrenlin for awhile.

[BJames]

I have wondered for a bit now if maybe the Anthony's have/had a stroller or even maybe a wagon that Caylee liked to be pulled in? I know when our children were younger we had both, it was easier to push/pull the kids in them than to carry them...especially around 2 or 3 years old.
I suppose if LE did find one or both and took them we might find out in this next document dump...niether one would fit in a washer so it might be safe to say if they were used they might get some (at least) trace evidence from them?

Just my opinion of course...

ETA..I am thinking back (tick, tick...) I do believe there was a photo at one time where Caylee is sitting in one of those 'umbrella' strollers?
I wonder if the Anthony's still have one?

[kitty1182]

i wonder why he hasn't done this? this whole case get's more confusing each day.:glare:

I don't think he knows what he's doing..imo

[CNTM]

I don't think he knows what he's doing..imo

Kitty, I could not agree more! I think he is totally bumfuzzled with this case.

[cassidy]

No Change Of Venue Motion Filed In Casey Anthony Case

The Orange County court says a motion has not been filed for a change of venue in Casey Anthony's murder trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/20/no_change_of_venue_motion_filed_in_casey_anthony_c ase.html

Just wondering. Is there a time limit on filing a change of venue? Is it possible that he is waiting until the last minute in order to drag things out?

[leah]

I have wondered for a bit now if maybe the Anthony's have/had a stroller or even maybe a wagon that Caylee liked to be pulled in? I know when our children were younger we had both, it was easier to push/pull the kids in them than to carry them...especially around 2 or 3 years old.
I suppose if LE did find one or both and took them we might find out in this next document dump...niether one would fit in a washer so it might be safe to say if they were used they might get some (at least) trace evidence from them?

Just my opinion of course...

ETA..I am thinking back (tick, tick...) I do believe there was a photo at one time where Caylee is sitting in one of those 'umbrella' strollers?
I wonder if the Anthony's still have one?



I remember seeing pictures of a small green wagon.....but for the life of me I can't remember how or why someone thought it was tied to this case....Does anyone else remember that picture??? TIA

[sofiesmom]

didn't JB say that the motion was ready to go??? What is he waiting for? :rolleyes:IIRC, and I think I do, JB said it would be filed within a month ( I can't remember who he said that to or when exactly...but it's been within the last two weeks). So has he dropped the ball, or are the watchers too anxious? Is there a time limit for requesting COV?

[2boysMom]

On NG last night they did a rerun of an early interview of Casey by police. In that interview she mentioned a friend who's child had also had "Zanny" for a babysitter. Who is the friend and was he interviewed? Trying to keep up, but I missed this. Thanks!

[KKKKKKatie]

On NG last night they did a rerun of an early interview of Casey by police. In that interview she mentioned a friend who's child had also had "Zanny" for a babysitter. Who is the friend and was he interviewed? Trying to keep up, but I missed this. Thanks!

he was interviewed and knew nothing about a Zanny. In fact...Casey told LE that it was he (Jeff???) who told her about Zanny and that she was his nanny

[KKKKKKatie]

IIRC, and I think I do, JB said it would be filed within a month ( I can't remember who he said that to or when exactly...but it's been within the last two weeks). So has he dropped the ball, or are the watchers too anxious? Is there a time limit for requesting COV?

I don't know....we need KatPrint here lol

[CNTM]

I remember seeing pictures of a small green wagon.....but for the life of me I can't remember how or why someone thought it was tied to this case....Does anyone else remember that picture??? TIA

IIRC, Murt found the wagon at BP and LE said it had no bearing on the case. :shrug:

[Jeepers]

On NG last night they did a rerun of an early interview of Casey by police. In that interview she mentioned a friend who's child had also had "Zanny" for a babysitter. Who is the friend and was he interviewed? Trying to keep up, but I missed this. Thanks!

His name was Jeff Hopkins. But Jeff Hopkins does not have any children in real life. If I remember correctly this was another one of those..
"Not that Jeff Hopkins it was another Jeff Hopkins"

[shelbar53]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8287211&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Another 311 pages of discovery documents were turned over to Casey Anthony's defense team on Tuesday.

It is not yet known what information the documents contain.

Once the information is made available to the defense, it becomes public record. The documents are expected to be released as early as Wednesday morning.

MyFoxOrlando will post all of the documents online as soon as they become available

[CNTM]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8287211&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Another 311 pages of discovery documents were turned over to Casey Anthony's defense team on Tuesday.

It is not yet known what information the documents contain.

Once the information is made available to the defense, it becomes public record. The documents are expected to be released as early as Wednesday morning.

MyFoxOrlando will post all of the documents online as soon as they become available

Thank you Shel!:thumbsup:

[KKKKKKatie]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8287211&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Another 311 pages of discovery documents were turned over to Casey Anthony's defense team on Tuesday.

It is not yet known what information the documents contain.

Once the information is made available to the defense, it becomes public record. The documents are expected to be released as early as Wednesday morning.

MyFoxOrlando will post all of the documents online as soon as they become available

thank you Shel!

[margaritaville]

*Bolding mine

Mornin' Jeepers and all!

Just musing...... I agree that in the area of her comfort zone Casey would be capable of coming up with some quick plan that she might not think to do somewhere else, and that might seem a bizarre action to us because we didn't grow up and be completely familiar with the place.
I hope that made sense. I rewrote it three times and it still doesn't sound exactly like what I was trying to say.

We're all thinking about carrying a bag and would or wouldn't she be able to manage it. Probably the weight isn't as much a factor as how Casey would hold it to carry. How would I hold a bag full of decomposing dead weight? Certainly not against my body or over my shoulder (I'm cringing as I write this). Dangling from my hand like a bag of groceries? Now that would be too heavy, and would make me lurch lopsidedly. I know I couldn't carry it very far in my two hands out in front like when you hand somebody a large sheet cake...... It's not so much the weight as where the center of gravity and positioning is. So how then?

Dragging it really does seem to be the most likely way to me, trying to imagine myself doing it. But of course, as someone said a while ago, the bag would be all ripped from being snagged in the vegetation. So........ ? If it were up north here I'd say some kind of sled. Maybe a wagon? But there's been no mention of a wagon.....

Ohmygosh...... a shovel???? Dragging the shovel behind.....???? Yikes, that would explain the shovel!!! Oh my, I have to think about this.:ohmy:

Really??

What is the average weight of a two to three year old? it is 26 to 31 pounds. That is not that heavy.
Put that much weight into a garbage bag that is tied at one end and carry it by the knot on the bag......Arm gets tired switch arms.
It isn't like she went that far. If she drove her car down the road (which i believe she did) she had to take what about 15 steps to where the body was found?? That is nothing, especially if she was pumped up on drugs or adrenalin. I don't think she wasted her time pulling her along in a wagon or stroller.......imho

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080121184729AA47w6b

[leah]

IIRC, Murt found the wagon at BP and LE said it had no bearing on the case. :shrug:




ahhhh.....thank you....I remember now...

[shelbar53]

I have wondered for a bit now if maybe the Anthony's have/had a stroller or even maybe a wagon that Caylee liked to be pulled in? I know when our children were younger we had both, it was easier to push/pull the kids in them than to carry them...especially around 2 or 3 years old.
I suppose if LE did find one or both and took them we might find out in this next document dump...niether one would fit in a washer so it might be safe to say if they were used they might get some (at least) trace evidence from them?

Just my opinion of course...

ETA..I am thinking back (tick, tick...) I do believe there was a photo at one time where Caylee is sitting in one of those 'umbrella' strollers?
I wonder if the Anthony's still have one?

here is a pic of caylee with an umbrella stroller, is this what your thinking of?

http://i40.tinypic.com/futmx3.jpg

[Elle]

Mornin' all!

Is there a legal way that a defense team can file any sort of motion to prohibit the prosecution form using certain items that are in evidence?
Such as filing that a certain video shows the defendant in a bad way due to extreme stress, illness, etc. or if it is entered into evidence can the prosecution use it regardless of what the defense says?
Did I make sense with that one?
TIA

Hello, Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_to_suppress

[Kathlb]

didn't JB say that the motion was ready to go??? What is he waiting for? :rolleyes:

Morning all! Baez and others have been saying it's already filed and they are waiting on a hearing. Just another of their lies. :rolleyes:

[2boysMom]

he was interviewed and knew nothing about a Zanny. In fact...Casey told LE that it was he (Jeff???) who told her about Zanny and that she was his nanny

Thank you, KKKKKKatie. I'm not surprised. What a piece of work she is.

[KKKKKKatie]

Morning all! Baez and others have been saying it's already filed and they are waiting on a hearing. Just another of their lies. :rolleyes:

They are driving me crazy! hammer

[Elle]

Morning all! Baez and others have been saying it's already filed and they are waiting on a hearing. Just another of their lies. :rolleyes:

Like when there was talk going around that he had asked for immunity and he denied denied denied, said no way did he ask for immunity but that it was being offered, then an email surfaced showing he is the one who approached the state.
imo

[Motomom]

soooo we should be getting docs today?? Hopefully..

Good morning all!! So once Baez gets them they are public record? Or can he withhold some of them? It just seems so crazy.. Hopefully the docs will contain the evidence, if any, that was found on the duct tape

[Motomom]

Like when there was talk going around that he had asked for immunity and he denied denied denied, said no way did he ask for immunity but that it was being offered, then an email surfaced showing he is the one who approached the state.
imo

IMO it's just one more reason for her to cry ineffective council. Why lie about it? Just like he lies and blames LE for leaking information..somethings wrong with him IMO

[desmom]

Many of us here wish we had a link of the pics to share - LOL. The FBI advised George they had discovered over 1200 compromising pics of casey, apparently when they searched her hard drive since the pics had been deleted.

I believe Jesse Grund also mentioned maybe 200 or so pics of Caylee previously on casey's photobucket had been deleted.

I just read this yesterday. Sgt. John Allen told George about the 1200 pics in her photobucket account in an interview on 7/24/08. He told George someone had posted a link to the photobucket and anybody can now see it. (I think shortly after this interview the account was closed.) Sgt. Allen told George there was not one pic of Zenaida in the photobucket.

Someone had commented LE only spoke to 1 Zenaida. In this interview, LE explained to George they spoke to Zenaidas in NY, NC and in the Orlando area. Page 47.

Page 46 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447571/George-Anthony-July-24-Interview-released-Nov-6-2008

jmo

ETA ~ At the end of this interview, George became physically ill.

[really3997]

*Bolding mine

Mornin' Jeepers and all!

Just musing...... I agree that in the area of her comfort zone Casey would be capable of coming up with some quick plan that she might not think to do somewhere else, and that might seem a bizarre action to us because we didn't grow up and be completely familiar with the place.
I hope that made sense. I rewrote it three times and it still doesn't sound exactly like what I was trying to say.

We're all thinking about carrying a bag and would or wouldn't she be able to manage it. Probably the weight isn't as much a factor as how Casey would hold it to carry. How would I hold a bag full of decomposing dead weight? Certainly not against my body or over my shoulder (I'm cringing as I write this). Dangling from my hand like a bag of groceries? Now that would be too heavy, and would make me lurch lopsidedly. I know I couldn't carry it very far in my two hands out in front like when you hand somebody a large sheet cake...... It's not so much the weight as where the center of gravity and positioning is. So how then?

Dragging it really does seem to be the most likely way to me, trying to imagine myself doing it. But of course, as someone said a while ago, the bag would be all ripped from being snagged in the vegetation. So........ ? If it were up north here I'd say some kind of sled. Maybe a wagon? But there's been no mention of a wagon.....

Ohmygosh...... a shovel???? Dragging the shovel behind.....???? Yikes, that would explain the shovel!!! Oh my, I have to think about this.:ohmy:

One of my issues with this theory is that the houses behind the A's house do not have fences and are rather close to the opening out there. She would have been spotted IMO

[PuffDragon]

No Change Of Venue Motion Filed In Casey Anthony Case

The Orange County court says a motion has not been filed for a change of venue in Casey Anthony's murder trial.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/20/no_change_of_venue_motion_filed_in_casey_anthony_c ase.html

I'm wondering if, when the defense does file a CoV, can the prosecutor rebut by saying hey, all the pretrial publicity was a result of the defense tactics, the state has been out of the media eye the whole time except for the few necessary PCs that were made, and they were very general and only addressed the necessary topics, such as the arrests of the defendant and the MO's findings.

Will that count for anything, do you suppose?

[Kathlb]

Like when there was talk going around that he had asked for immunity and he denied denied denied, said no way did he ask for immunity but that it was being offered, then an email surfaced showing he is the one who approached the state.
imo


Yep, exzzzzzactly. :thumbdown::biggrin:

[PuffDragon]

One of my issues with this theory is that the houses behind the A's house do not have fences and are rather close to the opening out there. She would have been spotted IMO

I think somebody should test it out.

[Jeepers]

One of my issues with this theory is that the houses behind the A's house do not have fences and are rather close to the opening out there. She would have been spotted IMO
Casey was just lucky not to have been seen in either one of the scenarios. Kids playing in the woods in the summer time and just being out in the neighborhood playing. Just people in general being out.
Not being seen at Amscot just car on video tape. She was like an elephant in the room. Hiding in plain site.

[CNTM]

Hello, Is this what you are talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_to_suppress
Yes! Thank you very much Elle!:thumbup:

[Mint_Julep]

I remember seeing pictures of a small green wagon.....but for the life of me I can't remember how or why someone thought it was tied to this case....Does anyone else remember that picture??? TIA

I saw a photo of Casey and Caylee at the beach and Caylee was in a small wagon. It was not the same wagon Murt found and I don't know if LE found it at the A's or not. I believe the pic was in one of the doc dumps but as I'm not sure, JMO.

[PuffDragon]

Casey was just lucky not to have been seen in either one of the scenarios. Kids playing in the woods in the summer time and just being out in the neighborhood playing. Just people in general being out.
Not being seen at Amscot just car on video tape. She was like an elephant in the room. Hiding in plain site.

Also, she was in her own neighborhood so she was a familiar figure, probably often seen coming and going, not unusual for her to be out in the evening or stopping at the side of the road to check a tire. If she were careful who would take note?

[playnice]

If Baez is under investigation and money is coming from book/movie deals, will the dream team stick around or be running as fast as they can to get away from this mess? If its in their confidentially agreement that they be paid from these deals wont they be in trouble too?

[Jeepers]

Also, she was in her own neighborhood so she was a familiar figure, probably often seen coming and going, not unusual for her to be out in the evening or stopping at the side of the road to check a tire. If she were careful who would take note?

That is true. She drew no attention to herself.

[desmom]

Re: Casey being capable of moving Caylee's body by herself.

Casey probably was used to picking up Caylee. I do not think she would have had any problem picking her up and moving her. I can't count the times I had to carry one of my children into the house from their car seat because they were asleep.

I don't think Casey went in any back way. I believe she pulled off the side of the road, opened the trunk and carried her far enough into the vegetation that she would not be seen from the road.

From google maps, it appears that are not any houses on this stretch of road. At the end of the road is a school. In mid June, there would have been very little traffic because of summer break.

jmo

[trich]

Good morning...

With all the "talk" about how Casey may have taken poor Caylee to the woods ...I got to thinking...not always good but anyhow...remember TonE said he picked Casey up walking along the road coming from that area on some date in June?
It is very suspecious to me that she would have been just out for a stroll.
I don't remember the exact date but I do believe it was June 20 something..

[really3997]

Also, she was in her own neighborhood so she was a familiar figure, probably often seen coming and going, not unusual for her to be out in the evening or stopping at the side of the road to check a tire. If she were careful who would take note?

I don't remember was the neighbor working in the back yard or the front yard at that time

[Mint_Julep]

It's too late to edit my earlier post regarding the green wagon. I found the photo I mentioned on this site:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos. It's photo number 26.

[Regina.Lampert]

I remember seeing pictures of a small green wagon.....but for the life of me I can't remember how or why someone thought it was tied to this case....Does anyone else remember that picture??? TIA

Good morning everyone.

Oh yes, I do. It was when I was rolling with Murt and he took us to the spot where the wagon was, iirc there were photos too. Not sure where the spot was tho.

I can picture the OC using a wagon too. Moving a bag containing a decomposing body is not something anyone would want to do, imo.

Remember LE removing something large in a paper bag from the crimescene? I always wondered what that was....could it have been a wagon?

[margaritaville]

If Baez is under investigation and money is coming from book/movie deals, will the dream team stick around or be running as fast as they can to get away from this mess? If its in their confidentially agreement that they be paid from these deals wont they be in trouble too?



I can't see any of them running for the hills YET...
I think that the deals they will get for their books far surpasses what money they dialed with Jose, imp.
It is still in their best intrest to stay on this high profile case.

Funny thing though.. Where is Kobolinsky? He was a regular on NG and has gone MIA.......I wonder if he stepped back and got out of the lime light knowing this was all coming down?!

All My Opinion!

[shelbar53]

Here is a reminder of some of the stuff that will be in the doc release:

Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.
Crime scene photos. Granted - 10 days to produce.
Items from crime scene. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Investigation reports on all ZG's. Denied. State produces all they have.
DNA reports on GA,CA,LA. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Fingerprints of GA,CA, LA. Denied without prejudice. FBI or Sheriff has them.
Timeline caendar of LE with AL. Granted. 15 days to produce.
Hair for testing and all reports. Granted. 20 days to produce. No destructive testing.
Maps of LE searches. Granted. State has 10 days to look for them.
Release of 8/14 video visit of CA and GA. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Release of LE interviews with GA,CA,LA made after 7/16 and before 7/30. Granted.
Subpoena duces tecum to TES. No action taken.
Crime scene photos and reports from car. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Polygraph results.Deferred pending memos of law as to discoverability.

[ishkabibble]

His name was Jeff Hopkins. But Jeff Hopkins does not have any children in real life. If I remember correctly this was another one of those..
"Not that Jeff Hopkins it was another Jeff Hopkins"

that's always the case, "the wrong one", "not that one", "there's another one"

[margaritaville]

Re: Casey being capable of moving Caylee's body by herself.

Casey probably was used to picking up Caylee. I do not think she would have had any problem picking her up and moving her. I can't count the times I had to carry one of my children into the house from their car seat because they were asleep.

I don't think Casey went in any back way. I believe she pulled off the side of the road, opened the trunk and carried her far enough into the vegetation that she would not be seen from the road.

From google maps, it appears that are not any houses on this stretch of road. At the end of the road is a school. In mid June, there would have been very little traffic because of summer break.

jmo


ITA ... I was thinking the same thing about carrying my boys too when they are sleeping and older then Caylee. I can still carry my youngest son and he is almost 6 and 53 pounds........She wouldn't have any problem carrying Caylee.............

MOO

[bluwaters]

Bar Association Investigates Anthony Attorney
Questions Arise Over How Legal Team Is Paid
http://www.wesh.com/news/18527954/detail.html

The Florida Bar Association said it's working an active case against Casey Anthony's attorney.

[Regina.Lampert]

Documents Released to Defense

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8287211&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Thank you Swarvie!! I cannot wait to see the probable cause used to request the search warrant for the anthony home, right after the remains were found. Gonna be very, very interesting and give us lots to gab about. :thumbsup:

[Elle]

Re: Casey being capable of moving Caylee's body by herself.

Casey probably was used to picking up Caylee. I do not think she would have had any problem picking her up and moving her. I can't count the times I had to carry one of my children into the house from their car seat because they were asleep.

I don't think Casey went in any back way. I believe she pulled off the side of the road, opened the trunk and carried her far enough into the vegetation that she would not be seen from the road.

From google maps, it appears that are not any houses on this stretch of road. At the end of the road is a school. In mid June, there would have been very little traffic because of summer break.

jmo

Hello
I agree

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/eng5w3oqjsqm3s72pw2zapiqjrkdzn6ltvkoricujfgturs2m6 miivoaearsak34tbs6cpfu2rm3r2il3mybeibhr7d/HiddenOaksElementary.pdf

there are tons of pictures, but pages 9 and 21 clearly show how there are no houses after Hopespring, and as you said, with school out, the traffic of that road would have dropped dramatically. Plus Casey knew the area very well, she knew the exact spots that were hang out spots, and the spots that were not.

[PuffDragon]

Re: Casey being capable of moving Caylee's body by herself.

Casey probably was used to picking up Caylee. I do not think she would have had any problem picking her up and moving her. I can't count the times I had to carry one of my children into the house from their car seat because they were asleep.

I don't think Casey went in any back way. I believe she pulled off the side of the road, opened the trunk and carried her far enough into the vegetation that she would not be seen from the road.

From google maps, it appears that are not any houses on this stretch of road. At the end of the road is a school. In mid June, there would have been very little traffic because of summer break.

jmo

I'm open to any ideas, I know we don't have all the information. But I still think carrying any dead weight over about 20 pounds would be difficult, we aren't talking about a solid body you can put arms around, we're talking about a bagful of........ urgh, well, you know........ not solid, possibly wet or at least a little loose and sloshy, probably all in a heap at the bottom of the bag, and when you're carrying a toddler, even a sleeping toddler, he still does automatically help a little, he isn't a completely dead weight in your arms. I have no trouble carrying an awake 3 year old toddler and I'm under 5' and not very big, but I sort of settle him on my hip and he balances and holds on. Would you carry a bag full of decomposing remains in the same way you'd carry a child?

[Kathlb]

Here is a reminder of some of the stuff that will be in the doc release:

Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.
Crime scene photos. Granted - 10 days to produce.
Items from crime scene. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Investigation reports on all ZG's. Denied. State produces all they have.
DNA reports on GA,CA,LA. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Fingerprints of GA,CA, LA. Denied without prejudice. FBI or Sheriff has them.
Timeline caendar of LE with AL. Granted. 15 days to produce.
Hair for testing and all reports. Granted. 20 days to produce. No destructive testing.
Maps of LE searches. Granted. State has 10 days to look for them.
Release of 8/14 video visit of CA and GA. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Release of LE interviews with GA,CA,LA made after 7/16 and before 7/30. Granted.
Subpoena duces tecum to TES. No action taken.
Crime scene photos and reports from car. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Polygraph results.Deferred pending memos of law as to discoverability.

I didn't see a list of the things they took from the Anthony's in there. I was hoping we'd get to see that too.

[spiritwolf46]

Bar Association Investigates Anthony Attorney
Questions Arise Over How Legal Team Is Paid
http://www.wesh.com/news/18527954/detail.html

The Florida Bar Association said it's working an active case against Casey Anthony's attorney.


WOOOO HOOOOO!!!! Thanks Blu!

[shelbar53]

I didn't see a list of the things they took from the Anthony's in there. I was hoping we'd get to see that too.

2nd from bottom of list

Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce

[Elle]

I didn't see a list of the things they took from the Anthony's in there. I was hoping we'd get to see that too.

Wouldn't that be included in the search warrant affidavits?

imo, moo

[PuffDragon]

Good morning...

With all the "talk" about how Casey may have taken poor Caylee to the woods ...I got to thinking...not always good but anyhow...remember TonE said he picked Casey up walking along the road coming from that area on some date in June?
It is very suspecious to me that she would have been just out for a stroll.
I don't remember the exact date but I do believe it was June 20 something..

Hmmmm, good catch, could be something to that.......

[PuffDragon]

I don't remember was the neighbor working in the back yard or the front yard at that time

Do you mean when she borrowed the shovel?

[BJames]

here is a pic of caylee with an umbrella stroller, is this what your thinking of?

http://i40.tinypic.com/futmx3.jpg

Awwww that's cute!
Thank you for looking Shelbar, but the one I am thinking of is where Caylee is in a stroller...I believe it was yellow and she looked a tad big for it.
I'll keep my eyes open as I am strolling thru today...errr maybe I need some oil for this brain..:blushing:

[Cheri_G]

*Bolding mine

Mornin' Jeepers and all!

Just musing...... I agree that in the area of her comfort zone Casey would be capable of coming up with some quick plan that she might not think to do somewhere else, and that might seem a bizarre action to us because we didn't grow up and be completely familiar with the place.
I hope that made sense. I rewrote it three times and it still doesn't sound exactly like what I was trying to say.

We're all thinking about carrying a bag and would or wouldn't she be able to manage it. Probably the weight isn't as much a factor as how Casey would hold it to carry. How would I hold a bag full of decomposing dead weight? Certainly not against my body or over my shoulder (I'm cringing as I write this). Dangling from my hand like a bag of groceries? Now that would be too heavy, and would make me lurch lopsidedly. I know I couldn't carry it very far in my two hands out in front like when you hand somebody a large sheet cake...... It's not so much the weight as where the center of gravity and positioning is. So how then?

Dragging it really does seem to be the most likely way to me, trying to imagine myself doing it. But of course, as someone said a while ago, the bag would be all ripped from being snagged in the vegetation. So........ ? If it were up north here I'd say some kind of sled. Maybe a wagon? But there's been no mention of a wagon.....

Ohmygosh...... a shovel???? Dragging the shovel behind.....???? Yikes, that would explain the shovel!!! Oh my, I have to think about this.:ohmy:

Do the Anthony's own a garden cart or wheelbarrow?

[msgatorslayer]

ITA ... I was thinking the same thing about carrying my boys too when they are sleeping and older then Caylee. I can still carry my youngest son and he is almost 6 and 53 pounds........She wouldn't have any problem carrying Caylee.............

MOO

ITA - Caylee was a little girl and I'm sure Casey was used to carrying her on her hip. She didn't weigh much. Even dead weight. Light and easy to carry.

G'morning to ya all.

[BJames]

IIRC, Murt found the wagon at BP and LE said it had no bearing on the case. :shrug:

Ummm Ummmm....ahhhh..what's BP?
Thanks...

[kitty1182]

Ummm Ummmm....ahhhh..what's BP?
Thanks...

I think it's Blanchard Park..I think.

[CNTM]

Ummm Ummmm....ahhhh..what's BP?
Thanks...

Blanchard Park.

[msgatorslayer]

that's always the case, "the wrong one", "not that one", "there's another one"

Right. And this isn't the correct Caylee Anthony either.:blink:

[PuffDragon]

Do the Anthony's own a garden cart or wheelbarrow?

:shrug: But considering that it would be unusual for Casey to be doing any gardening, pushing a wheelbarrow through the yard or street would probably suddenly make that elephant in the room very visible.

[PuffDragon]

Right. And this isn't the correct Caylee Anthony either.:blink:

I actually think you're right on with that.

[desmom]

I'm open to any ideas, I know we don't have all the information. But I still think carrying any dead weight over about 20 pounds would be difficult, we aren't talking about a solid body you can put arms around, we're talking about a bagful of........ urgh, well, you know........ not solid, possibly wet or at least a little loose and sloshy, probably all in a heap at the bottom of the bag, and when you're carrying a toddler, even a sleeping toddler, he still does automatically help a little, he isn't a completely dead weight in your arms. I have no trouble carrying an awake 3 year old toddler and I'm under 5' and not very big, but I sort of settle him on my hip and he balances and holds on. Would you carry a bag full of decomposing remains in the same way you'd carry a child?

Good Morning PuffDragon!

I think we have to consider Casey would have been working under an adrenaline rush also....fear of being seen, someone stopping to chit chat or recalling her being parking on the side of the road.

jmo

[Destini]

The map that was on here last night showed the Anthonys' house backing up to the woods. But when I did a Google search for their address it shows this house, which does not back up to the woods. You may have to enlarge it to see clearly.


http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=4937+hopespring+drive+orlando&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

[ellegna]

here is a pic of caylee with an umbrella stroller, is this what your thinking of?

http://i40.tinypic.com/futmx3.jpg

Thanks Shel now you got me thinking. :ohmy:
Wouldn't Casey have had a stroller for Caylee? Wouldn't you keep it in the trunk of your car? Could Casey have placed Caylee's body in a stroller and pushed it into the woods vs carrying then folded up the stroller and tossed it further into the woods? Could that large item in the paper bag Regina mentioned been a stroller? Has Caylee's stroller been located or was it missing?

[Jeepers]

Good morning everyone.

Oh yes, I do. It was when I was rolling with Murt and he took us to the spot where the wagon was, iirc there were photos too. Not sure where the spot was tho.

I can picture the OC using a wagon too. Moving a bag containing a decomposing body is not something anyone would want to do, imo.

Remember LE removing something large in a paper bag from the crimescene? I always wondered what that was....could it have been a wagon?

There is so much about this case we don't know. LE has been good about keeping it close to the vest. If there was a wagon used or stroller to move Caylee in LE is sure to have it. Maybe something in reference to outside toys might to listed in the SW docs when released.
The car is just more feasible to me, just quicker. I can go either way. This is Casey's game and I am glad to say I just don't know how she played it. Bottom line though is she pulled it off for 31 days.

Now that she is a victim and her life has been taken from her I wonder if she hates Caylee even more in death. I wonder if she relives her deed? like so many murderes do. I wonder if she has had a lucid moment that she thought that killing Caylee was a mistake. Not that she feels guilty about killing Caylee just that Caylee's death has brought her bigger problems. I don't think she regrets her actions or feels any remorse. Just thinking out loud. jmo

[PuffDragon]

If Baez is under investigation and money is coming from book/movie deals, will the dream team stick around or be running as fast as they can to get away from this mess? If its in their confidentially agreement that they be paid from these deals wont they be in trouble too?

Do we know what was actually in their confidentiality agreements?

We sure haven't heard anything from them lately. And didn't the defense just add another forensic expert. Why did they need another one? Unless maybe somebody defected?

[Cheri_G]

:shrug: But considering that it would be unusual for Casey to be doing any gardening, pushing a wheelbarrow through the yard or street would probably suddenly make that elephant in the room very visible.

Probably. Caylee was young enough that a stroller wouldn't raise any eyebrows though. However, I'd be surprised if she walked there from the house. The smell of the car suggests Caylee's body was in it and I expect the most walking she was in the habit of doing was from the door of where ever she was at to the car, strutting around the beach or mall, and from a table to the bar for another drink.

[ishkabibble]

Do the Anthony's own a garden cart or wheelbarrow?

she could have put her in one of those big rubbermaid coolers or totes, some have wheels on one end, and pulled it into the woods, dumped Caylee and brought the cooler home.

[msgatorslayer]

she could have put her in one of those big rubbermaid coolers or totes, some have wheels on one end, and pulled it into the woods, dumped Caylee and brought the cooler home.

She could have used the shovel to dig a few bamboo shoots up and brought them along with her to the wooded area. Making it look like, she was discarding unwanted garden material.

Although, IMO, she probably simply discarded Caylee without much thought.

[shelbar53]

Awwww that's cute!
Thank you for looking Shelbar, but the one I am thinking of is where Caylee is in a stroller...I believe it was yellow and she looked a tad big for it.
I'll keep my eyes open as I am strolling thru today...errr maybe I need some oil for this brain..:blushing:

ok here is another pic but this time with a wagon

http://i44.tinypic.com/2uqi13a.jpg

[Jeepers]

she could have put her in one of those big rubbermaid coolers or totes, some have wheels on one end, and pulled it into the woods, dumped Caylee and brought the cooler home.

Good morning, I think with Casey anything is possible either by land or car. The plastic tote on wheels would be good to use.
Darn Casey is like Paul Revere 1 if by land 2 if by sea.

[NYGalPal]

I watched NG last night all those pictures of Caylee just broke my heart. Listened to the tapes again. Casey is lying the whole time but notice she doesn't have a hizzy fit with the LE like she does with her mother?

[Kathlb]

2nd from bottom of list

Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce

Okay, I just thought it was the search warrant, not what they ended up taking. That's good then. Thanks. :-)

[destiny1]

She could have used the shovel to dig a few bamboo shoots up and brought them along with her to the wooded area. Making it look like, she was discarding unwanted garden material.

Although, IMO, she probably simply discarded Caylee without much thought.

Good Morning.

Casey has neither the foresight, talent, or ambition to do any more than she absolutely has to to accomplish a task. She is lazy and arrogant, and never thought anything through.

[msgatorslayer]

I watched NG last night all those pictures of Caylee just broke my heart. Listened to the tapes again. Casey is lying the whole time but notice she doesn't have a hizzy fit with the LE like she does with her mother?

Yeah, no fist wagging, 'why won't anyone listen to me?'

She knows that BS only flies with her parents.

[desmom]

Good morning...

With all the "talk" about how Casey may have taken poor Caylee to the woods ...I got to thinking...not always good but anyhow...remember TonE said he picked Casey up walking along the road coming from that area on some date in June?
It is very suspecious to me that she would have been just out for a stroll.
I don't remember the exact date but I do believe it was June 20 something..

TonE picked her up on June 23 and Chris Stutz, friend of Casey's, saw her jogging down Chickasaw 7/15. jmo

[NYGalPal]

Yeah, no fist wagging, 'why won't anyone listen to me?'

She knows that BS only flies with her parents.

She was way to calm. Shades of a socipath?

I admit to be pretty behind on this case. What am I missing about why this child has not been put to rest yet? There is no way Beaz still needs her bones.

[really3997]

Do you mean when she borrowed the shovel?

yes if she went behind the houses wouldn't the neighbor had seen her since he was doing yard work..(if he was in the back)

[Destini]

Here's a comparison of the map shown from last night, with the house backing up to the woods. Notice this house is shown at the end of the quarry or whatever it is.

http://casey-anthony.com/

Versus this Google search shows the house further down the road, at the other end of the quarry, and backing up to a cleared area, no woods. I believe that other map is incorrect as to the location of the Anthony house, don't believe she would have taken her through the woods IMO

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=4937+hopespring+drive+orlando&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

[Libertie]

I didn't see a list of the things they took from the Anthony's in there. I was hoping we'd get to see that too. Maybe it's under "items from crime scene".

[Kathlb]

She was way to calm. Shades of a socipath?

I admit to be pretty behind on this case. What am I missing about why this child has not been put to rest yet? There is no way Beaz still needs her bones.

I think Baez and Casey are playing the "I'm in control" game. Neither one of them gives a hoot about little Caylee, only Casey and Baez. (they each care about themselves and their own agendas) MOO

[playnice]

She was way to calm. Shades of a socipath?

I admit to be pretty behind on this case. What am I missing about why this child has not been put to rest yet? There is no way Beaz still needs her bones.

Casey is being a spiteful B and not letting Baez turn her over to G&C or Baez is holding the remains hostage waiting for the highest bidder to sell photos to of the funeral.

[Kathlb]

Maybe it's under "items from crimescene".

That sure could be since the house was designated a crime scene that day.

[Grins]

Mornin' all!

Is there a legal way that a defense team can file any sort of motion to prohibit the prosecution form using certain items that are in evidence?
Such as filing that a certain video shows the defendant in a bad way due to extreme stress, illness, etc. or if it is entered into evidence can the prosecution use it regardless of what the defense says?
Did I make sense with that one?
TIAHi CNTM and all! :thumbsup:
Nothing is 'in evidence' yet. At trial, an exhibit is offered and the court rules as to admissibility.
Most courts require all parties to attend status conferences prior to trial and there specify and made available for examination proposed exhibits. Some will be stipulated to and marked which facilitates use at trial without the usual process.
Some will be contested and may be the subject of motions to suppress.

All that can be accomplished prior to jury selection is appreciated so that the ongoing trial is not delayed arguing over these issues.
Some do arise at trial but few.

[destiny1]

I have been away for a few days, and can't find the documents that were supposed to be made public as of January 19. Was there some kind of a holdup? Did something drastic happen to the investigation?

[NYGalPal]

Casey is being a spiteful B and not letting Baez turn her over to G&C or Baez is holding the remains hostage waiting for the highest bidder to sell photos to of the funeral.

That is disgusting. No respect for Beaz at all. I thought the As had control since that murdering B is behind bars?

[CNTM]

Hi CNTM and all! :thumbsup:
Nothing is 'in evidence' yet. At trial, an exhibit is offered and the court rules as to admissibility.
Most courts require all parties to attend status conferences prior to trial and there specify and made available for examination proposed exhibits. Some will be stipulated to and marked which facilitates use at trial without the usual process.
Some will be contested and may be the subject of motions to suppress.

All that can be accomplished prior to jury selection is appreciated so that the ongoing trial is not delayed arguing over these issues.
Some do arise at trial but few.

Thank you Grins! Great info.:thumbsup:

[playnice]

That is disgusting. No respect for Beaz at all. I thought the As had control since that murdering B is behind bars?

One would think that but Baez says he has the responsibility for them.

[BJames]

ok here is another pic but this time with a wagon

http://i44.tinypic.com/2uqi13a.jpg

Thanks again Shelbar...I suppose maybe that one...but it doesn't look very 'strong' to me. I believe our children had one of those for 'sand toys'. The kind I am thinking of is either a 'Little Tykes' (fairly heavy duty) made of hard plastic...or..the one we had (and still have actually) is made of wood...removable red side rails and fairly decent sized tires on it, we have had a couple of kids in it at a time.
I wonder if Caylee took the little dogs for a ride in that green one? It's cute..!
Thanks again for looking...I just realized that I haven't see all of these pictures and I thought I had...thanks for sharing!

[WillowInFlight]

I watched NG last night all those pictures of Caylee just broke my heart. Listened to the tapes again. Casey is lying the whole time but notice she doesn't have a hizzy fit with the LE like she does with her mother?

You are so right, she was calm, cool and collected. I swear I don't know how she does it.

[Grins]

Consider this hypothetical:
=some very evil people D has stolen or borrowed money from get revenge when she cannot repay; they kidnap D and C and hold C for sale to an adoptive family out of state to recoup their losses;
=D is released with assurances C will be with a loving family and make clear threats to kill her and her parents, brother and all her family if she goes to LE;
=how would D deal with this?
.....perhaps just as she has done.....
=go party =it is out of her hands now; she will figure out a story later...
=BUT
==they duct tape and kill C and put her in the trunk=key was taken from D's purse and copied during kidnap; they know where D goes at night and where her car is parked;
=this will pin a murder on C as the best revenge given that they know her character and lying obsession will condemn her;
=D discovers C from the odor and moves her to a place she knows from childhood;
=then July 15.....she cannot and will not tell the truth=for reasons which seem noble to her~and here we are.....D claims to be a victim...
JB is ready to tell the story...
..
----...what if LE has found fingerprints of known criminals on the duct tape and none of D's???
~~~~~~~~~
~this scenario is possible in line with known facts
~what if D is not a murderer after all?

just consider....
how would you feel?

[NYGalPal]

You are so right, she was calm, cool and collected. I swear I don't know how she does it.

If you had no soul like her you'd know.

[ishkabibble]

I watched Nancy Grace and heard the interview tapes from Allen/Melich with Casey at Universal studios and one thing they didn't ask her but I know I would have asked is "why did you need a Nanny, you weren't working, what were you doing during the daytime hours that you needed a babysitter? Also I would have had her attempt to take me to other places, the stores Zenaida frequented Jeff Hopkins house, his mother's house. According to Cindy she was spending a lot of time with the Hopkins that month. But I guess when they realized the people were fictitious why waste time driving to non existant places.

[msgatorslayer]

You are so right, she was calm, cool and collected. I swear I don't know how she does it.

She doesn't miss a beat. Each time LE has her trapped, she just spews more garbage.

From listening to NG replay the tapes lastnight, I noticed something that I had never heard before.

Casey says that she had tried to contact Zanny's Mom. Of course, LE asks her if she has a phone number for her and Casey says no. They didn't press her on the subject anymore. I would have liked for them to ask, well then, exactly how did you try to contact her.

[grammie/va]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthonypics-photos,0,5614814.photogallery?index=orl-caylee20081211100442

Be sure to read captions under pics


Some are not new photos.

[Cheri_G]

That is disgusting. No respect for Beaz at all. I thought the As had control since that murdering B is behind bars?

My understanding is that as next of kin Casey has control and it will be up to her whether or not Caylee's body is turned over to Cindy and George for burial.

[Regina.Lampert]

I have been away for a few days, and can't find the documents that were supposed to be made public as of January 19. Was there some kind of a holdup? Did something drastic happen to the investigation?

You're just in time Desiny, we're expecting them today...all 311 pages. :drool:

[NYGalPal]

My understanding is that as next of kin Casey has control and it will be up to her whether or not Caylee's body is turned over to Cindy and George for burial.

Caylee proving once again how much she hated Caylee. :cursing: I hope this comes out at trial.

Doesn't seem like anyone cares. If that were my grand child, I'd file a petition with the courts to get her released for burial.

[WillowInFlight]

She doesn't miss a beat. Each time LE has her trapped, she just spews more garbage.

From listening to NG replay the tapes lastnight, I noticed something that I had never heard before.

Casey says that she had tried to contact Zanny's Mom. Of course, LE asks her if she has a phone number for her and Casey says no. They didn't press her on the subject anymore. I would have liked for them to ask, well then, exactly how did you try to contact her.

I missed NG last night, I was being nosy watching the balls to see what Michelle was wearing. LOL. There were a ton of questions that LE should have asked and didn't. I wonder if they were in a bit of a state of shock to hear someone that young lie the way she did. She admits to the lie and then goes back to it. Who does that?

[Regina.Lampert]

She doesn't miss a beat. Each time LE has her trapped, she just spews more garbage.

From listening to NG replay the tapes lastnight, I noticed something that I had never heard before.

Casey says that she had tried to contact Zanny's Mom. Of course, LE asks her if she has a phone number for her and Casey says no. They didn't press her on the subject anymore. I would have liked for them to ask, well then, exactly how did you try to contact her.

Hiya Msgator. I watched and listened too, so interesting to hear once again all the lies and misdirection she used with those Detectives. How they kept from throttling her is a mystery to me.

BTW, speaking about filing motions to keep out evidence, I think one of the first things baez will attempt to keep out is this interogation tape, citing poor casey's thought (incorrect) that she COULDN'T leave that room. imo.

[MissouriGMom]

You're just in time Desiny, we're expecting them today...all 311 pages. :drool:


I sure hope we get to see them today. I took the day off (sick), but not too sick to read!

[Elle]

You are so right, she was calm, cool and collected. I swear I don't know how she does it.

Casey imo believes she is in a sense invincible, that nothing can touch her. The lies she told were absurd, comical if this weren't such a tradgedy, everything she spewed was easily debunked.
Arrogance is her fatal flaw. (imo)

[Cheri_G]

Caylee proving once again how much she hated Caylee. :cursing: I hope this comes out at trial.

Doesn't seem like anyone cares. If that were my grand child, I'd file a petition with the courts to get her released for burial.

That's an idea, but on what grounds? I don't know that George and Cindy have any legal rights in the matter.

[Regina.Lampert]

TonE picked her up on June 23 and Chris Stutz, friend of Casey's, saw her jogging down Chickasaw 7/15. jmo

I think this 7/15 "jog" was a revisit to the crimescene by the odious creature. Wonder if she moved the bag back further into the wood at this time?

[Regina.Lampert]

I sure hope we get to see them today. I took the day off (sick), but not too sick to read!

I think we'll get them, feel better soon Mom!

[BJames]

Consider this hypothetical:<<<snipped only for bandwidth>>>
just consider....
how would you feel?

I get what you are saying Grins, and I have actually considered those thoughts.
Somehow I do believe that I would have been a shear basket case on July 15th...LE would finally have the story...help me find my child that I have been looking for myself for the last 31 days!! And if even one little thing pointed to an 'abduction' the FBI would have been involved at that very point...and the public would not have known nearly as much.
By December when Caylee's remains were found? That would have been it...I would have been screaming every bit of information I had about what had happened, they wouldn' have been able to hold my mouth closed. By the time the remains of my baby was found I would have nothing left to lose....
But Casey didn't do any of that...she got angry at her parents for mentioning Caylee...and presented herself as a 'victim' of everything and everyone. Even after she got bailed out by LP...she didn't sit down with them and form any sort of 'master plan' to try and 'find' that baby, she sat in her bedroom...and then skipped to her lawyers office for a few hours a day to try and figure out how to get herself out of this mess..what baby?
Maybe I have watched too many movies where people are indeed 'framed'...but even in those same 'said' movies...I have yet to see any of the 'victims' forget that the ultimate 'victim' is their child (loved one).
Naaaaaaah if she is trying to replicate any of those scenerios....she must have left half way through the movie.

Just my opinion of course...

[CelticDawn]

MORNING YALL...!!!


WHERES MY DOCUMENTS????

I WANT MY DOCUMENTS!!!

Life is TOO SHORT to be sitting around waiting for MY DOCUMENTS!!!




You know?....Casey is a lot of things.....but I STILL BELIEVE that theree is more to her story than meets the eye...WHAT IF she REALLY DID know some lowlifes that were capable and had the wherewithall to kidnap and kill Caylee?

Even if these people were high-powered with wherewithall and running a black market baby selling ring<It has happened> but did NOT kill Caylee.....THIS COULD BE BAEZ'S PERRY MASON MOMENT so to speak.

[Dells]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8287211&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Another 311 pages of discovery documents were turned over to Casey Anthony's defense team on Tuesday.

It is not yet known what information the documents contain.

Once the information is made available to the defense, it becomes public record. The documents are expected to be released as early as Wednesday morning.

MyFoxOrlando will post all of the documents online as soon as they become available

Thanks!:thumbup: Can't wait until they are released. I hope they are released today.

[NYGalPal]

That's an idea, but on what grounds? I don't know that George and Cindy have any legal rights in the matter.

Caylee did live in their house and they are next of kin. I'm sure a good lawyer could come up with something for the courts to consider.

Total disregard for a human being being left in a box?

[PuffDragon]

yes if she went behind the houses wouldn't the neighbor had seen her since he was doing yard work..(if he was in the back)

I've given up on the shovel idea, partly because I don't think she could have done that in the daytime anyway, mostly for the reason you mention. She'd have been seen, it would have been strange for her to be doing. Also, after I took a look at my own shovel I don't think a bag of remains would have been able to balance in it without falling over.

I just want to figure out what the shovel was for, it seemed like a reasonable answer for a minute or two.

[kitty1182]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthonypics-photos,0,5614814.photogallery?index=orl-caylee20081211100442

Be sure to read captions under pics


Some are not new photos.




Under pic 1..Wonder what that large item is they found?

[destiny1]

You're just in time Desiny, we're expecting them today...all 311 pages. :drool:

Hey scamp!!! I don't care how many pages it is. I have been waiting with baited breath!

Shamefully, we all got really mad here about the holiday and then the innauguration because we have been chomping at the bit to get to those things!

[WillowInFlight]

MORNING YALL...!!!


WHERES MY DOCUMENTS????

I WANT MY DOCUMENTS!!!

Life is TOO SHORT to be sitting around waiting for MY DOCUMENTS!!!




You know?....Casey is a lot of things.....but I STILL BELIEVE that theree is more to her story than meets the eye...WHAT IF she REALLY DID know some lowlifes that were capable and had the wherewithall to kidnap and kill Caylee?

Even if these people were high-powered with wherewithall and running a black market baby selling ring<It has happened> but did NOT kill Caylee.....THIS COULD BE BAEZ'S PERRY MASON MOMENT so to speak.

NOPE, not gonna happen, there is only one person responsible for this childs death, and God willing that person will never see the light of day.

[kitty1182]

I've given up on the shovel idea, partly because I don't think she could have done that in the daytime anyway, mostly for the reason you mention. She'd have been seen, it would have been strange for her to be doing. Also, after I took a look at my own shovel I don't think a bag of remains would have been able to balance in it without falling over.

I just want to figure out what the shovel was for, it seemed like a reasonable answer for a minute or two.



I think she used the shovel to help put her in the trash bag.

[NYGalPal]

Must run. Happy posting.

[Dells]

I'm wondering if, when the defense does file a CoV, can the prosecutor rebut by saying hey, all the pretrial publicity was a result of the defense tactics, the state has been out of the media eye the whole time except for the few necessary PCs that were made, and they were very general and only addressed the necessary topics, such as the arrests of the defendant and the MO's findings.

Will that count for anything, do you suppose?

Could be. Last night on JVM Pam Bondi was on there. She is a (former?) prosecutor from FL and she said that she still thought that the trial would be heard in Orlando. Did anyone else hear that or am I just imagining things, lol?:tongueside:

[Pat]

Grins,

If your theory was possible, why didn't Baez go to LE/FBI the minute Caylee's body was discovered and present evidence these people exist so LE could go after the real killers?

Better yet, why didn't Casey herself go to LE the minute she discovered Caylee was dead and tell them herself?

Sorry, but given what we know so far, I don't think your theory holds up.

[kOOkie1]

I think this 7/15 "jog" was a revisit to the crimescene by the odious creature. Wonder if she moved the bag back further into the wood at this time?

Morning Everyone..Soo ready for these new docs to hurry up and come out today!! ..I agree Regina that "jog" on that day cannot just be another coincidence ..something is up with that. Didnt Casey mention to LE that she use to jog at JBP but Cindy told her it was not safe? there is that lil bit of truth.. (imo)

[kitty1182]

MORNING YALL...!!!


WHERES MY DOCUMENTS????

I WANT MY DOCUMENTS!!!

Life is TOO SHORT to be sitting around waiting for MY DOCUMENTS!!!




You know?....Casey is a lot of things.....but I STILL BELIEVE that theree is more to her story than meets the eye...WHAT IF she REALLY DID know some lowlifes that were capable and had the wherewithall to kidnap and kill Caylee?

Even if these people were high-powered with wherewithall and running a black market baby selling ring<It has happened> but did NOT kill Caylee.....THIS COULD BE BAEZ'S PERRY MASON MOMENT so to speak.


If her child was really kidnapped and finally found dead, she would be a basket case..imo

[CelticDawn]

NOPE, not gonna happen, there is only one person responsible for this childs death, and God willing that person will never see the light of day.

Thats not what I posted.....What I said was what if Casey KNEW and was in contact with people like that?.....and that IF she was...that would be something Baez would be ALL OVER and would use as his "AHA" !!!

[Daffodil]

Consider this hypothetical:
=some very evil people D has stolen or borrowed money from get revenge when she cannot repay; they kidnap D and C and hold C for sale to an adoptive family out of state to recoup their losses;
=D is released with assurances C will be with a loving family and make clear threats to kill her and her parents, brother and all her family if she goes to LE;
=how would D deal with this?
.....perhaps just as she has done.....
=go party =it is out of her hands now; she will figure out a story later...
=BUT
==they duct tape and kill C and put her in the trunk=key was taken from D's purse and copied during kidnap; they know where D goes at night and where her car is parked;
=this will pin a murder on C as the best revenge given that they know her character and lying obsession will condemn her;
=D discovers C from the odor and moves her to a place she knows from childhood;
=then July 15.....she cannot and will not tell the truth=for reasons which seem noble to her~and here we are.....D claims to be a victim...
JB is ready to tell the story...
..
----...what if LE has found fingerprints of known criminals on the duct tape and none of D's???
~~~~~~~~~
~this scenario is possible in line with known facts
~what if D is not a murderer after all?

just consider....
how would you feel?

If that happened to me, I would think that I would go immediately to LE for their help. I certainly could not fake being so happy when out partying. I would not be able to hid my grief at all.

[Dells]

Casey was just lucky not to have been seen in either one of the scenarios. Kids playing in the woods in the summer time and just being out in the neighborhood playing. Just people in general being out.
Not being seen at Amscot just car on video tape. She was like an elephant in the room. Hiding in plain site.

I agree w/you. She was very lucky on so many levels w/regards to this crime. The first one being that she was able to get away w/it for 31 days w/out being reported. Is it possible that she dumped the body at night when it was dark out? Much less chance of being seen then.

[tootie]

Consider this hypothetical:
=some very evil people D has stolen or borrowed money from get revenge when she cannot repay; they kidnap D and C and hold C for sale to an adoptive family out of state to recoup their losses;
=D is released with assurances C will be with a loving family and make clear threats to kill her and her parents, brother and all her family if she goes to LE;
=how would D deal with this?
.....perhaps just as she has done.....
=go party =it is out of her hands now; she will figure out a story later...
=BUT
==they duct tape and kill C and put her in the trunk=key was taken from D's purse and copied during kidnap; they know where D goes at night and where her car is parked;
=this will pin a murder on C as the best revenge given that they know her character and lying obsession will condemn her;
=D discovers C from the odor and moves her to a place she knows from childhood;
=then July 15.....she cannot and will not tell the truth=for reasons which seem noble to her~and here we are.....D claims to be a victim...
JB is ready to tell the story...
..
----...what if LE has found fingerprints of known criminals on the duct tape and none of D's???
~~~~~~~~~
~this scenario is possible in line with known facts
~what if D is not a murderer after all?

just consider....
how would you feel?

I'd eat crow of course. But until then I'm serving duck. If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and looks like a duck. It's a duck!

[margaritaville]

Consider this hypothetical:
=some very evil people D has stolen or borrowed money from get revenge when she cannot repay; they kidnap D and C and hold C for sale to an adoptive family out of state to recoup their losses;
=D is released with assurances C will be with a loving family and make clear threats to kill her and her parents, brother and all her family if she goes to LE;
=how would D deal with this?
.....perhaps just as she has done.....
=go party =it is out of her hands now; she will figure out a story later...
=BUT
==they duct tape and kill C and put her in the trunk=key was taken from D's purse and copied during kidnap; they know where D goes at night and where her car is parked;
=this will pin a murder on C as the best revenge given that they know her character and lying obsession will condemn her;
=D discovers C from the odor and moves her to a place she knows from childhood;
=then July 15.....she cannot and will not tell the truth=for reasons which seem noble to her~and here we are.....D claims to be a victim...
JB is ready to tell the story...
..
----...what if LE has found fingerprints of known criminals on the duct tape and none of D's???
~~~~~~~~~
~this scenario is possible in line with known facts
~what if D is not a murderer after all?

just consider....
how would you feel?

Personally I wouldn't have been out "partying" after my Daughter was kidnapped..
Secondly I would have confessed to the FBI everything, not some lame Jose......moo
thirdly- Why not tell now? Is it because Jose wants to profit from the big story???

And sorry, just listening to Casey, she never once sounded like a Mother whose daughter was "missing" ...
She has always sounded like a Mother who could give a crap that her daughter is missing/dead.....
Maybe sometimes, late at night, the thoughts of her daughters or memories of her come into mind and she may get a tear or two in her eyes. She may even for a moment or minute think life would be better if she was alive and then she wouldn't be in jail anymore. But those thoughts pass and soon the anger sets in that she is not in charge anymore, that no one lets her talk, that she can't be home for the chili party, how she has no one to comfort her but herself. How all of this could have been completely different if she had just left Caylee with her parents before storming out of the house...............But now it is a little too late.
Now she has to live with what she has done. she has to look her parents in the eye and see that they are hurting and will never forgive her..


MOO

[grammie/va]

Under pic 1..Wonder what that large item is they found?

Not sure but it looks like they found some items that may help to connect the dots. It will be interesting to see the other search warrants and what they were looking for at the Anthony home right after this on Dec 11.

[CelticDawn]

If her child was really kidnapped and finally found dead, she would be a basket case..imo

I agree with you on that....Im just saying ...BAEZ will use ANY connection to ANYBODY to cast "reasonable" doubt....AND THAT might be what hes saying that "we dont know the whole story".....

Casey hung out in bars and clubs....and the like.....I dont know about where youre from....but some pretty high octane crimminals come out of that scene.

[Elle]

MORNING YALL...!!!


WHERES MY DOCUMENTS????

I WANT MY DOCUMENTS!!!

Life is TOO SHORT to be sitting around waiting for MY DOCUMENTS!!!




You know?....Casey is a lot of things.....but I STILL BELIEVE that theree is more to her story than meets the eye...WHAT IF she REALLY DID know some lowlifes that were capable and had the wherewithall to kidnap and kill Caylee?

Even if these people were high-powered with wherewithall and running a black market baby selling ring<It has happened> but did NOT kill Caylee.....THIS COULD BE BAEZ'S PERRY MASON MOMENT so to speak.

I would not be in the least bit surprised if Casey Anthony knew some lowlifes.
How would Baez explain
the dogs hitting in the backyard and trunk, the air test, the stain, the hair, the smell of death in the car, Casey's behavior.
And there may be things from the crime scene that directly tie Casey herself.

[Daffodil]

I watched Nancy Grace and heard the interview tapes from Allen/Melich with Casey at Universal studios and one thing they didn't ask her but I know I would have asked is "why did you need a Nanny, you weren't working, what were you doing during the daytime hours that you needed a babysitter? Also I would have had her attempt to take me to other places, the stores Zenaida frequented Jeff Hopkins house, his mother's house. According to Cindy she was spending a lot of time with the Hopkins that month. But I guess when they realized the people were fictitious why waste time driving to non existant places.

Yes, I would have asked questions like that also. They are open-ended questions rather than just harping on her as they did. I think she was used to harping from Cindy. They really needed to ask her all questions that asked with who, what, why and how. Acutally, I was quite shocked with how the interview was conducted.

[CelticDawn]

Personally I wouldn't have been out "partying" after my Daughter was kidnapped..
Secondly I would have confessed to the FBI everything, not some lame Jose......moo
thirdly- Why not tell now? Is it because Jose wants to profit from the big story???

And sorry, just listening to Casey, she never once sounded like a Mother whose daughter was "missing" ...
She has always sounded like a Mother who could give a crap that her daughter is missing/dead.....
Maybe sometimes, late at night, the thoughts of her daughters or memories of her come into mind and she may get a tear or two in her eyes. She may even for a moment or minute think life would be better if she was alive and then she wouldn't be in jail anymore. But those thoughts pass and soon the anger sets in that she is not in charge anymore, that no one lets her talk, that she can't be home for the chili party, how she has no one to comfort her but herself. How all of this could have been completely different if she had just left Caylee with her parents before storming out of the house...............But now it is a little too late.
Now she has to live with what she has done. she has to look her parents in the eye and see that they are hurting and will never forgive her..


MOO

I can see her out partying....Just because IN THIS SCENARIO she didnt kill her baby doesnt mean that SHE DIDNT WANT EHR GONE AND WAS HAPPY THAT SHE WAS GONE.....


sometimes EVIL THINGS HAPPEN TO EVIL PEOPLE TOO.

Nnot fussing just stressing>

[Jeepers]

I've given up on the shovel idea, partly because I don't think she could have done that in the daytime anyway, mostly for the reason you mention. She'd have been seen, it would have been strange for her to be doing. Also, after I took a look at my own shovel I don't think a bag of remains would have been able to balance in it without falling over.

I just want to figure out what the shovel was for, it seemed like a reasonable answer for a minute or two.

I think she thought the shovel might help in some way.
Maybe she did think about burying her in the backyard but it was too much work.
Maybe she used the shovel to get her out of the pool.
I have not come up with any idea why she would think of shovel and then ask to borrow one without flinching.
The questions are many the answers are few.

[really3997]

I've given up on the shovel idea, partly because I don't think she could have done that in the daytime anyway, mostly for the reason you mention. She'd have been seen, it would have been strange for her to be doing. Also, after I took a look at my own shovel I don't think a bag of remains would have been able to balance in it without falling over.

I just want to figure out what the shovel was for, it seemed like a reasonable answer for a minute or two.

I tend to believe the theory she used it to get the pavers out of the ground to weigh the bag down.

[WillowInFlight]

Thats not what I posted.....What I said was what if Casey KNEW and was in contact with people like that?.....and that IF she was...that would be something Baez would be ALL OVER and would use as his "AHA" !!!

And I said it's not going to happen. IMO.

[joolz]

(snipped for bandwidth)

Consider this hypothetical:
~what if D is not a murderer after all?

just consider....
how would you feel?

Like I had just wasted my time reading a really bad mystery novel witha plot full of holes. jmo

[CelticDawn]

I would not be in the least bit surprised if Casey Anthony knew some lowlifes.
How would Baez explain
the dogs hitting in the backyard and trunk, the air test, the stain, the hair, the smell of death in the car, Casey's behavior.
And there may be things from the crime scene that directly tie Casey herself.

a "frameup:"....I didnt say it had to be reasonable to us here on this board....I just said baez can use it....He seems quite adept when it comes to fabrications....and ducking and dodging....so stay tuned.....we just might see that as a part of his defense...

[Dells]

Re: Casey being capable of moving Caylee's body by herself.

Casey probably was used to picking up Caylee. I do not think she would have had any problem picking her up and moving her. I can't count the times I had to carry one of my children into the house from their car seat because they were asleep.

I don't think Casey went in any back way. I believe she pulled off the side of the road, opened the trunk and carried her far enough into the vegetation that she would not be seen from the road.

From google maps, it appears that are not any houses on this stretch of road. At the end of the road is a school. In mid June, there would have been very little traffic because of summer break.

jmo

I think don't think that Casey carried Caylee out the back way to dump her body either. She would have had to pass multiple houses, Caylee would have been out in plain sight (w/in the garbage bag) the whole time, Casey would have had to hike through the wooded area possibly coming upon snakes and other animals, there was a chance that she could have come upon anyone that was out there at the time, plus I think the dumping of the body would have taken too long for her. She seems to be all about the quick, easy fix. I also think of the principle of Occam's Razor that says that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. To me that would be Casey driving her car out to that wooded area and only have to move Caylee's body 15-20 steps into the woods. I just can't see Casey going out the back way carrying Caylee's body all the way out to where she was found and then walking back home. That would have been too much work for her.

[grammaw]

Consider this hypothetical:
=some very evil people D has stolen or borrowed money from get revenge when she cannot repay; they kidnap D and C and hold C for sale to an adoptive family out of state to recoup their losses;
=D is released with assurances C will be with a loving family and make clear threats to kill her and her parents, brother and all her family if she goes to LE;
=how would D deal with this?
.....perhaps just as she has done.....
=go party =it is out of her hands now; she will figure out a story later...
=BUT
==they duct tape and kill C and put her in the trunk=key was taken from D's purse and copied during kidnap; they know where D goes at night and where her car is parked;
=this will pin a murder on C as the best revenge given that they know her character and lying obsession will condemn her;
=D discovers C from the odor and moves her to a place she knows from childhood;
=then July 15.....she cannot and will not tell the truth=for reasons which seem noble to her~and here we are.....D claims to be a victim...
JB is ready to tell the story...
..
----...what if LE has found fingerprints of known criminals on the duct tape and none of D's???
~~~~~~~~~
~this scenario is possible in line with known facts
~what if D is not a murderer after all?

just consider....
how would you feel?

I,for one feel like that's just a bunch of BULL!My OP

[ellegna]

Under pic 1..Wonder what that large item is they found?

That kind of looks like the outline of a child's car seat. Did Casey have more than one?

[PuffDragon]

I think she used the shovel to help put her in the trash bag.

They didn't find anything on the shovel. What I have learned from Forensic Files is that you can't wash every little bit of blood or fluids out of something, it always manages to get into some crack or space for them to find. And LE said they found nothing.
But after consideration I don't think she used it to drag anything either. There would have been marks on the back of the shovel but not the front that would have merited a closer look.

[grammaw]

a "frameup:"....I didnt say it had to be reasonable to us here on this board....I just said baez can use it....He seems quite adept when it comes to fabrications....and ducking and dodging....so stay tuned.....we just might see that as a part of his defense...

I guarantee Baez will throw any and all scenarios to the wall and see which of this crap will stick!!

[CelticDawn]

And I said it's not going to happen. IMO.

You dont think Baez is going to give this one <or a reasonable facsimile> a try?....I expect to see him go through everybody that casey ever had contact with....Trying to make siomeone else responsible.....I just hope everybody is clean...Im not talking about her little teeny bopper kidfriends that hung in the bars....but there are former LE that got their hands dirty.....

IMO baez is going to try things that we cant even imagine....like I said....stay tuned...

This is gonna be good.

[court~critic1®]

Bar Association Investigates Anthony Attorney
Questions Arise Over How Legal Team Is Paid
http://www.wesh.com/news/18527954/detail.html

The Florida Bar Association said it's working an active case against Casey Anthony's attorney.


What bothers me about this is what was noted at the end of the article. I sure do not want a reason for an appeal.

From the above site:

If it is found that Baez did anything unethical, it could be grounds for and apppeal of after the trial.

A rep. of the states atts. office said they have concerns about that because they do not want to go through a trial twice.

[CelticDawn]

I tend to believe the theory she used it to get the pavers out of the ground to weigh the bag down.

Only if she planned to put her body in water.....Do you think she knew exactly where she was going to put her body???

[kitty1182]

That kind of looks like the outline of a child's car seat. Did Casey have more than one?




Don't know, there was still one in her car, I think..Yes it does look like the outline of one or a stroller..

[spiritwolf46]

Under pic 1..Wonder what that large item is they found?


A comforter or blanket?

[ellegna]

I think she used the shovel to help put her in the trash bag.

Just a guess but I think Casey's original plan was to dig a shallow grave. Realizing digging a hole was impossible because the brush was too dense or too many tree roots, she gave up on that idea. :shrug:

[Elle]

I think she thought the shovel might help in some way.
Maybe she did think about burying her in the backyard but it was too much work.
Maybe she used the shovel to get her out of the pool.
I have not come up with any idea why she would think of shovel and then ask to borrow one without flinching.
The questions are many the answers are few.

I don't think she needed the shovel for anything. I think the guy being in his yard caught her off guard and left her feeling the need to explain why she was there at that particular time, or rather make up a reason for her being there during that time. This way it looks as though she is not trying to hide anything, and if needed could serve as an alibi of sorts if anyone were to question her whereabouts during that time period.
IDK,I am probably way off base. I just really don't think she used the shovel for anything.
imo, moo

[Pat]

-snip-
IMO baez is going to try things that we cant even imagine....like I said....stay tuned...

This is gonna be good.

Spector's team tried to convince us Lana committed suicide. After that defense, nothing will surprise me.

[kitty1182]

Just a guess but I think Casey's original plan was to dig a shallow grave. Realizing digging a hole was impossible because the brush was too dense or too many tree roots, she gave up on that idea. :shrug:


Good point!

[spiritwolf46]

What bothers me about this is what was noted at the end of the article. I sure do not want a reason for an appeal.

From the above site:

If it is found that Baez did anything unethical, it could be grounds for and apppeal of after the trial.

A rep. of the states atts. office said they have concerns about that because they do not want to go through a trial twice.

But wouldn't that only apply AFTER the trial and they found he was dealing that way they think he is? If they find out that the is doing something unethical right now, then that would not apply, for he would not be trying the case.

Do I have this right?? Anyone?

[CelticDawn]

What bothers me about this is what was noted at the end of the article. I sure do not want a reason for an appeal.

From the above site:

If it is found that Baez did anything unethical, it could be grounds for and apppeal of after the trial.

A rep. of the states atts. office said they have concerns about that because they do not want to go through a trial twice.

The bar association ...if I read the laws right.....have a period of time in which to bring up any charges...etc....they can start their investigation and not act until later......In a way its too bad this info leaked....<although many of us are aghast at his behaviour>....it would serve a better puropse IMO to let it simmer....dont bring it to a boil until AFTER the trial.


If Grins or Katprint either one are still here??????


Grins?? Katprint???

[WillowInFlight]

You dont think Baez is going to give this one <or a reasonable facsimile> a try?....I expect to see him go through everybody that casey ever had contact with....Trying to make siomeone else responsible.....I just hope everybody is clean...Im not talking about her little teeny bopper kidfriends that hung in the bars....but there are former LE that got their hands dirty.....

IMO baez is going to try things that we cant even imagine....like I said....stay tuned...

This is gonna be good.

I do agree it's going to be good. I hope you don't feel like I was jumping you, I'm tired.

[Pat]

What bothers me about this is what was noted at the end of the article. I sure do not want a reason for an appeal.

From the above site:

If it is found that Baez did anything unethical, it could be grounds for and apppeal of after the trial.

A rep. of the states atts. office said they have concerns about that because they do not want to go through a trial twice.

Given the concerns already made public, I would think Judge Strickland is on top of this.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[CelticDawn]

But wouldn't that only apply AFTER the trial and they found he was dealing that way they think he is? If they find out that the is doing something unethical right now, then that would not apply, for he would not be trying the case.

Do I have this right?? Anyone?

from experience watching the courts and LE in my area Ive seen ongoing investigations last for years....If it is an ongoing they dont have to bring charges or sanctions immediately....but I want to hear from someone in the Legal profession as to how this could play out.

[Daffodil]

What bothers me about this is what was noted at the end of the article. I sure do not want a reason for an appeal.

From the above site:

If it is found that Baez did anything unethical, it could be grounds for and apppeal of after the trial.

A rep. of the states atts. office said they have concerns about that because they do not want to go through a trial twice.

I'm a little confused. If he is found guilty of being unethical, is he kicked off the case immediately? It also sounds like whether or not he is kicked off, that it will still be grounds for a retrial? If he is guilty, can something be done now to prevent a retrial?

I'm not sure I clearly expressed my concerns. HOpe you get it.

[WillowInFlight]

A comforter or blanket?

I think it was some sort of bedding.

[CelticDawn]

I do agree it's going to be good. I hope you don't feel like I was jumping you, I'm tired.

Oh Heavens no...!!! we're just discussing the case.....

Get some REST!!!:wub:

[Elle]

a "frameup:"....I didnt say it had to be reasonable to us here on this board....I just said baez can use it....He seems quite adept when it comes to fabrications....and ducking and dodging....so stay tuned.....we just might see that as a part of his defense...

I suppose during opening and closing he can say whatever he wants to, but Casey said (and I know it means nothing) that she handed Caylee to Zenaida, a woman who had been Caylee's nanny for quite some time, a woman who she said loved Caylee. Casey swore to this, If Baez is going to bring it into the trial and not just the OA and CA, doesn't he have to put her on the stand?

imo, moo

[court~critic1®]

But wouldn't that only apply AFTER the trial and they found he was dealing that way they think he is? If they find out that the is doing something unethical right now, then that would not apply, for he would not be trying the case.

Do I have this right?? Anyone?


True enough but, it takes these boards years to finally get around to finding a verdict. I am sure the trial would already be over. So therefore if Cassy is found guilty she can then appeal and have a new trial.

I am not defending JB actions. I am just hoping the ethical board gets it done with before Cassys trial.

[ishkabibble]

Yes, I would have asked questions like that also. They are open-ended questions rather than just harping on her as they did. I think she was used to harping from Cindy. They really needed to ask her all questions that asked with who, what, why and how. Acutally, I was quite shocked with how the interview was conducted.

Continuing with the same subject Daffodil, I would have asked as many questions as I could, gotten as many lies on record. Taken her to as many places as she could lead me to and disprove her connection to them, totally blow everything she tells me out of the water. I would probably have dragged her parents around with me as we went on this wild goose chase just to avoid the situation we have now where Cindy acts as if LE made up their mind after 5 minutes (even though 5 minutes of her lies was more than enough!) that she was guilty

[WillowInFlight]

I suppose during opening and closing he can say whatever he wants to, but Casey said (and I know it means nothing) that she handed Caylee to Zenaida, a woman who had been Caylee's nanny for quite some time, a woman who she said loved Caylee. Casey swore to this, If Baez is going to bring it into the trial and not just the OA and CA, doesn't he have to put her on the stand?

imo, moo

Like CD said this is going to be good. I just can't imagine him going the nanny route. The state will blow that apart in a heart beat.

[Dells]

There is so much about this case we don't know. LE has been good about keeping it close to the vest. If there was a wagon used or stroller to move Caylee in LE is sure to have it. Maybe something in reference to outside toys might to listed in the SW docs when released.
The car is just more feasible to me, just quicker. I can go either way. This is Casey's game and I am glad to say I just don't know how she played it. Bottom line though is she pulled it off for 31 days.

Now that she is a victim and her life has been taken from her I wonder if she hates Caylee even more in death. I wonder if she relives her deed? like so many murderes do. I wonder if she has had a lucid moment that she thought that killing Caylee was a mistake. Not that she feels guilty about killing Caylee just that Caylee's death has brought her bigger problems. I don't think she regrets her actions or feels any remorse. Just thinking out loud. jmo

I agree, now that Casey sees herself as a victim:sneaky: she is probably blaming Caylee for all her problems. I think the only remorse she feels is that she got caught and that murdering Caylee brought her so many more problems than an alive Caylee ever did. I think she just regrets murdering her because of all the trouble she is in.

[Daffodil]

True enough but, it takes these boards years to finally get around to finding a verdict. I am sure the trial would already be over. So therefore if Cassy is found guilty she can then appeal and have a new trial.

I am not defending JB actions. I am just hoping the ethical board gets it done with before Cassys trial.

Okay, now it sounds like this could be a possible scenario: JB continues with the case, get paid for his services, board finds he did do something wrong, casey gets a retrial, JB still gets money from illegal deal and is now removed from the bar.

[CelticDawn]

I suppose during opening and closing he can say whatever he wants to, but Casey said (and I know it means nothing) that she handed Caylee to Zenaida, a woman who had been Caylee's nanny for quite some time, a woman who she said loved Caylee. Casey swore to this, If Baez is going to bring it into the trial and not just the OA and CA, doesn't he have to put her on the stand?

imo, moo

I would think so...<bad idea though> but we havent seen anything final....like who the Defense will have on their final witness list....Who knows what kind of dark characters baez will find.

[spiritwolf46]

True enough but, it takes these boards years to finally get around to finding a verdict. I am sure the trial would already be over. So therefore if Cassy is found guilty she can then appeal and have a new trial.

I am not defending JB actions. I am just hoping the ethical board gets it done with before Cassys trial.


Gotcha! WOW! I sure hope that they get it over with before the trial starts! Thanks Court.

[ishkabibble]

That kind of looks like the outline of a child's car seat. Did Casey have more than one?

this might be something, if it is the carseat Casey described to Cindy as the one "Zani" had in her car for Caylee. She may try to say Zani dumped her along with the carseat.

[Daffodil]

Continuing with the same subject Daffodil, I would have asked as many questions as I could, gotten as many lies on record. Taken her to as many places as she could lead me to and disprove her connection to them, totally blow everything she tells me out of the water. I would probably have dragged her parents around with me as we went on this wild goose chase just to avoid the situation we have now where Cindy acts as if LE made up their mind after 5 minutes (even though 5 minutes of her lies was more than enough!) that she was guilty

You are good!!! I think bringing her parents along would have been great. I would have also made sure there was a tape recorder constantly running.

They probably never came up against a family like this. Maybe when they realized that everything was lie, they should have brought on more detectives. They could work the family and the new detectives could work the case.

[Elle]

Continuing with the same subject Daffodil, I would have asked as many questions as I could, gotten as many lies on record. Taken her to as many places as she could lead me to and disprove her connection to them, totally blow everything she tells me out of the water. I would probably have dragged her parents around with me as we went on this wild goose chase just to avoid the situation we have now where Cindy acts as if LE made up their mind after 5 minutes (even though 5 minutes of her lies was more than enough!) that she was guilty

Yes, but they had a 2 year old little girl to look for, they knew Casey was full of bs, a complete waste of their time.
She had no interest in helping them, they knew this, time was a big factor.

imo, moo

[spiritwolf46]

Like CD said this is going to be good. I just can't imagine him going the nanny route. The state will blow that apart in a heart beat.

Oh, ITA, Willow! I just wonder what they will use, now? I will bet that they will throw G & C right under the bus with a sympathy type of trial. Feel bad for my client for what she had to live with, type of thing. I can't for the life of me, figure out what major defense tactic they will use though.

[court~critic1®]

Okay, now it sounds like this could be a possible scenario: JB continues with the case, get paid for his services, board finds he did do something wrong, casey gets a retrial, JB still gets money from illegal deal and is now removed from the bar.



Not all unethical findings means the removel from the bar. They may just sanction him in some way. That is my understanding anyway. Although each state bar Assi. is different.

[CelticDawn]

Okay, now it sounds like this could be a possible scenario: JB continues with the case, get paid for his services, board finds he did do something wrong, casey gets a retrial, JB still gets money from illegal deal and is now removed from the bar.

Baez being found guilty of wrongdoing won't necessarily guarantee casey a new trial, though.

[Daffodil]

Not all unethical findings means the removel from the bar. They may just sanction him in some way. That is my understanding anyway. Although each state bar Assi. is different.

So that means that he may possibly have his cake and eat it too?

[desmom]

Hello
I agree

http://www.orangecountyfl.net/NR/rdonlyres/eng5w3oqjsqm3s72pw2zapiqjrkdzn6ltvkoricujfgturs2m6 miivoaearsak34tbs6cpfu2rm3r2il3mybeibhr7d/HiddenOaksElementary.pdf

there are tons of pictures, but pages 9 and 21 clearly show how there are no houses after Hopespring, and as you said, with school out, the traffic of that road would have dropped dramatically. Plus Casey knew the area very well, she knew the exact spots that were hang out spots, and the spots that were not.


Playing catch up....Thank you for the link.

[CelticDawn]

So that means that he may possibly have his cake and eat it too?

That very well could be.

Personally....the man gives me the creeps....but thats just me....but SUPPOSE somehow he did something crimminal..???....Now if that could be proved, then he would get a little more than a smack on the wrist.

[desmom]

I think she used the shovel to help put her in the trash bag.

Sorry to be so gross, but I think the shovel was used to get rid of the maggots in the trunk of the car. jmo

[margaritaville]

You dont think Baez is going to give this one <or a reasonable facsimile> a try?....I expect to see him go through everybody that casey ever had contact with....Trying to make siomeone else responsible.....I just hope everybody is clean...Im not talking about her little teeny bopper kidfriends that hung in the bars....but there are former LE that got their hands dirty.....

IMO baez is going to try things that we cant even imagine....like I said....stay tuned...

This is gonna be good.

Personally, no I don't......

I think that Jose is another Geragos......Remember all the promises he made that he was going to PROVE it wasn't Scott and blah blah blah...

Jose is doing the same thing...Telling everyone to wait until trial.it will all come out in the trial.. We will all understand when this goes to trial what really happened to Caylee..........Yeah, and pigs fly!!

It is a red herring. I think the only thing Jose has done is talk to some experts about how to imply that with the remains there is no way to "prove" that Casey killed her and that will be their defense IMHO

What else could they possibly have? The defense does have a POI - the "other" ZFG.. You know the one that LE hasn't found yet. If LE would have got off their butts and found the "real" ZFG.
But all they did was build a Case against Casey because she didn't "behave" the way we thought she should.
But LE didn't look for her. LE let the killer go.
And why? To frame poor Casey.....
The whole trial will be about poor Casey, and how the forensics can't prove Casey murdered her...

IMHO

[Carol25]

I've given up on the shovel idea, partly because I don't think she could have done that in the daytime anyway, mostly for the reason you mention. She'd have been seen, it would have been strange for her to be doing. Also, after I took a look at my own shovel I don't think a bag of remains would have been able to balance in it without falling over.

I just want to figure out what the shovel was for, it seemed like a reasonable answer for a minute or two.
The idea had crossed my mind that she may have used the shovel to break her neck so she would fit into the bag. Sadly I may say that came to my mind.

[court~critic1®]

Baez being found guilty of wrongdoing won't necessarily guarantee casey a new trial, though.


Yes it would according to the states att. office. That is why they have concerns.

[Dunlurken]

Testing, testing. Every thread I go to gets closed when I'm about to post. LOL.


Have we heard anything about the new docs. I'll go back and read for a bit. Justice for little Caylee.

Man, I was so angry Nancy had on a repeat last night. Sheesh!

[Tracian]

Consider this hypothetical:
=some very evil people D has stolen or borrowed money from get revenge when she cannot repay; they kidnap D and C and hold C for sale to an adoptive family out of state to recoup their losses;
=D is released with assurances C will be with a loving family and make clear threats to kill her and her parents, brother and all her family if she goes to LE;
=how would D deal with this?
.....perhaps just as she has done.....
=go party =it is out of her hands now; she will figure out a story later...
=BUT
==they duct tape and kill C and put her in the trunk=key was taken from D's purse and copied during kidnap; they know where D goes at night and where her car is parked;
=this will pin a murder on C as the best revenge given that they know her character and lying obsession will condemn her;
=D discovers C from the odor and moves her to a place she knows from childhood;
=then July 15.....she cannot and will not tell the truth=for reasons which seem noble to her~and here we are.....D claims to be a victim...
JB is ready to tell the story...
..
----...what if LE has found fingerprints of known criminals on the duct tape and none of D's???
~~~~~~~~~
~this scenario is possible in line with known facts
~what if D is not a murderer after all?

just consider....
how would you feel?



Sounds like a very complicated defense smoke and mirrors, that would hardly be convincing in a soap opera.

I am not trying to be cruel, but really that scenario insults the intelligence of the average American citizen.

Even if this was a possibility, it would mean that Casey is at the very least guilty of child endangerment and abuse, possibly even an accessory after the fact; and now that Caylee's remains have been found there would be no reason for her not to tell the truth to anyone that would listen. It also does not explain why the A's want immunity, or why Lee would not give his fingerprints or DNA without a court order, unless the whole family was contacted and is working off the script that the evil kidnapper-murderers have concocted.

[shelbar53]

I was re-reading caseys interview with the police. She says she went to pick up caylee and no one was home, then she called her number and it was no longer in service. then she went to a few stores she knows zanny shops at and to blanchard park, then she went to tonEs.

At what point did casey assume it was a kidnapping? she never heard from zanny, maybe they were in an accident.

How did she know if caylee would be in danger if she went to the police, her friend the nanny never said anything to her.

Casey later told her mom that zanny wanted caylee as her own. so zanny went from ruthless to wanted caylee as her own.

oh well, im just bidding my time until the docs are released.

[WillowInFlight]

I agree. Her actions and arrogance convince me alone. Her first arrest, smirking away. There is no sadness, no sorrow, no tears for Caylee.
jmo

This is more than just a girl not having a heart, how can you give birth to a child and not feel any love for that child?. She is so void of feelings, expect when it comes to herself. I can't wait until she hears the words, WE THE JURY FIND CASEY MARIE ANTHONY GUILTY.

[CelticDawn]

Personally, no I don't......

I think that Jose is another Geragos......Remember all the promises he made that he was going to PROVE it wasn't Scott and blah blah blah...

Jose is doing the same thing...Telling everyone to wait until trial.it will all come out in the trial.. We will all understand when this goes to trial what really happened to Caylee..........Yeah, and pigs fly!!

It is a red herring. I think the only thing Jose has done is talk to some experts about how to imply that with the remains there is no way to "prove" that Casey killed her and that will be their defense IMHO

What else could they possibly have? The defense does have a POI - the "other" ZFG.. You know the one that LE hasn't found yet. If LE would have got off their butts and found the "real" ZFG.
But all they did was build a Case against Casey because she didn't "behave" the way we thought she should.
But LE didn't look for her. LE let the killer go.
And why? To frame poor Casey.....
The whole trial will be about poor Casey, and how the forensics can't prove Casey murdered her...

IMHOYou know it still hasnt been proved that baez wasnt behind the finding of caylees body either.....I applaud Mr Kronk for coming forward....but that whole situation from Dominic casey to the psychic to Lenny saying that he talked to Kronks SO....to baez coming out WITHOUT PROMPTING to say it WASNT HIM on the phone that day......It just smells of a desperate attempt at staging an alternate scenario...

Maybe zanny was being used too....and that is why she had to disappear......

Never underestimate the imagination of a desperate defense attorney.

[Dunlurken]

There is no Zanny unless I missed something. JMO. I'm going with the split personality myself. Casey is Zanny, the Nanny.

[spiritwolf46]

I was re-reading caseys interview with the police. She says she went to pick up caylee and no one was home, then she called her number and it was no longer in service. then she went to a few stores she knows zanny shops at and to blanchard park, then she went to tonEs.

At what point did casey assume it was a kidnapping? she never heard from zanny, maybe they were in an accident.

How did she know if caylee would be in danger if she went to the police, her friend the nanny never said anything to her.

Casey later told her mom that zanny wanted caylee as her own. so zanny went from ruthless to wanted caylee as her own.

oh well, im just bidding my time until the docs are released.

Do you realize the web the State is going to have to draw out on all of her lies??? I feel so sorry for them! The jury will all have a confused face on for a while until they put all the lies together! I feel for them, too!

[CuriousJo]

I think don't think that Casey carried Caylee out the back way to dump her body either. She would have had to pass multiple houses, Caylee would have been out in plain sight (w/in the garbage bag) the whole time, Casey would have had to hike through the wooded area possibly coming upon snakes and other animals, there was a chance that she could have come upon anyone that was out there at the time, plus I think the dumping of the body would have taken too long for her. She seems to be all about the quick, easy fix. I also think of the principle of Occam's Razor that says that the simplest explanation is usually the right one. To me that would be Casey driving her car out to that wooded area and only have to move Caylee's body 15-20 steps into the woods. I just can't see Casey going out the back way carrying Caylee's body all the way out to where she was found and then walking back home. That would have been too much work for her.
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I agree. Casey could not have carried Caylees dead weight and remember that area may have been partially under water. IMO Casey parked on road side or drove on lawn by woods and dumped body quickly- just a few feet off the road behind the corner home backyard fence. If she had cut through her backyard, then into woods---why wouldn't she have left body deep into woods, rather than at curbside to be easily found?

[Daffodil]

I was re-reading caseys interview with the police. She says she went to pick up caylee and no one was home, then she called her number and it was no longer in service. then she went to a few stores she knows zanny shops at and to blanchard park, then she went to tonEs.

At what point did casey assume it was a kidnapping? she never heard from zanny, maybe they were in an accident.

How did she know if caylee would be in danger if she went to the police, her friend the nanny never said anything to her.

Casey later told her mom that zanny wanted caylee as her own. so zanny went from ruthless to wanted caylee as her own.

oh well, im just bidding my time until the docs are released.

Those are really good points. Exactly when did she determine it was a kidnapping? 2 hours, 2 days? 31 days?

[Carol25]

I can see where the $200,000 probably did come from an entertainment fee. But if it was paid to the Anthony's and not directly to Baez, it wouldn't be on a contigency basis, would it? It would not then be anything ethically wrong.

If it was paid directly to Baez, I could see where there would be an agreement not to go ahead with a plea deal so a trial would ensue, making a better movie. That would be unethical. So it really makes a difference who gave Baez the money, right?

[Dunlurken]

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I agree. Casey could not have carried Caylees dead weight and remember that area may have been partially under water. IMO Casey parked on road side or drove on lawn by woods and dumped body quickly- just a few feet off the road behind the corner home backyard fence. If she had cut through her backyard, then into woods---why wouldn't she have left body deep into woods, rather than at curbside to be easily found?

Caylee wasn't at the curbside. She was back in the woods. A 30 lb dead weight body isn't that hard to carry. JMO.

[kitty1182]

There is no Zanny unless I missed something. JMO. I'm going with the split personality myself. Casey is Zanny, the Nanny.



I kinda think JB will try to prove Casey is a "sybil"..

[CelticDawn]

Yes it would according to the states att. office. That is why they have concerns.

It does??!!! even if it hasnt affected her quality of counsel? WOW....

Im a Math person....I have no imagination....I would think,, however that the law would be specific on what laws would have to be broken in order to damage her defense.

[Elle]

I was re-reading caseys interview with the police. She says she went to pick up caylee and no one was home, then she called her number and it was no longer in service. then she went to a few stores she knows zanny shops at and to blanchard park, then she went to tonEs.

At what point did casey assume it was a kidnapping? she never heard from zanny, maybe they were in an accident.

How did she know if caylee would be in danger if she went to the police, her friend the nanny never said anything to her.

Casey later told her mom that zanny wanted caylee as her own. so zanny went from ruthless to wanted caylee as her own.

oh well, im just bidding my time until the docs are released.


Yes, she said what she did when she went to pick up Caylee, she sat a bit, drove a bit, went to a neutral place bla bla bla.

Call local hospitals? Nope
She would have no idea at that time that Caylee had been kidnapped. Thoughts of an accident would have rushed her and she would have called hospitals, she would have called police, at that point not to report a kidnapping, but report both her daughter and Zenaida missing, would have told them she is her nanny and I worry something happened to them, I can't get ahold of her, help me.
NOPE, NOTHING
imo

[WillowInFlight]

You know it still hasnt been proved that baez wasnt behind the finding of caylees body either.....I applaud Mr Kronk for coming forward....but that whole situation from Dominic casey to the psychic to Lenny saying that he talked to Kronks SO....to baez coming out WITHOUT PROMPTING to say it WASNT HIM on the phone that day......It just smells of a desperate attempt at staging an alternate scenario...

Maybe zanny was being used too....and that is why she had to disappear......

Never underestimate the imagination of a desperate defense attorney.

Add to that, Black coming out and saying if Caylee is dead it was an accident, I think Baez knew the truth early on.

[kitty1182]

Those are really good points. Exactly when did she determine it was a kidnapping? 2 hours, 2 days? 31 days?



It was a kidnapping when Cindy found her and bought her home to find out where Caylee was..imo

[Dunlurken]

Those are really good points. Exactly when did she determine it was a kidnapping? 2 hours, 2 days? 31 days?

Well, it depends on which of Casey's stories you believe. She left Caylee at Blanchard park with Zanny, or she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass. JMO.

[Daffodil]

I was re-reading caseys interview with the police. She says she went to pick up caylee and no one was home, then she called her number and it was no longer in service. then she went to a few stores she knows zanny shops at and to blanchard park, then she went to tonEs.

At what point did casey assume it was a kidnapping? she never heard from zanny, maybe they were in an accident.

How did she know if caylee would be in danger if she went to the police, her friend the nanny never said anything to her.

Casey later told her mom that zanny wanted caylee as her own. so zanny went from ruthless to wanted caylee as her own.

oh well, im just bidding my time until the docs are released.

Those are really good points. Exactly when did she determine it was a kidnapping? 2 hours, 2 days? 31 days?


Hey Grins - -- Thanks for getting this thread going today. If you didn't throw that scenario out there, we would just be sitting here waiting for the docs.

I am taking a guess that JB is probably throwing things out like this too so people on his team can see what can work and what can't.

[kitty1182]

Add to that, Black coming out and saying if Caylee is dead it was an accident, I think Baez knew the truth early on.

I think he knows the whole story..mo

[WillowInFlight]

I kinda think JB will try to prove Casey is a "sybil"..

Well then, I anxiously await his "have a nice trip, see you next fall" moment. LOL

[Dunlurken]

It was a kidnapping when Cindy found her and bought her home to find out where Caylee was..imo
It was never a kidnapping. That's where people are confused. There was no kidnapping. I think we all know that. It was a murder!

[kitty1182]

It was never a kidnapping. That's where people are confused. There was no kidnapping. I think we all know that. It was a murder!

I know..I'm saying that is when Casey said it was a kidnapping...

[Elle]

I kinda think JB will try to prove Casey is a "sybil"..

How would he go about that?

imo, moo

[CelticDawn]

Those are really good points. Exactly when did she determine it was a kidnapping? 2 hours, 2 days? 31 days?

remember when she changed her story from zanny and family snatching caylee at the park? I wonder if that is going to get into the court records? see some of what we get may not ever make it to a jurys ears.

Didnt she say she was "TOLD" to go on and that she was INSTRUCTED??


when did she receive her instructions would be a good question????

[shelbar53]

Do you realize the web the State is going to have to draw out on all of her lies??? I feel so sorry for them! The jury will all have a confused face on for a while until they put all the lies together! I feel for them, too!

do you really think the jury will believe the state when they tell them about their adventure to universal. Who will believe a pretty young girl would actually take the police to a place they didnt work. they will say LE made it up to frame casey.

I mean, who in the world would take LE to a place you didnt work and then keep up the charade that you worked there.

Try explaining this case to a friend who dosent know about it, you will feel like a fool in 2 minutes and your friend will just look at you and shake their head and wonder why you have fabricated such a farfetched story, they will be embarressed for you.

[ishkabibble]

You are good!!! I think bringing her parents along would have been great. I would have also made sure there was a tape recorder constantly running.

They probably never came up against a family like this. Maybe when they realized that everything was lie, they should have brought on more detectives. They could work the family and the new detectives could work the case.

I just think they left too many unasked questions, maybe they felt they didn't need to ask more but I know I thought of at least 100 additional I would have asked. I'd have kept her out there til hell froze over.

[margaritaville]

There is no Zanny unless I missed something. JMO. I'm going with the split personality myself. Casey is Zanny, the Nanny.


Can you prove it?

See that is going to be the problem.....
Jose will continue to use the ZFG that LE has yet to produce because they were to fixated on building a case against Casey......
If they had listened to his client, maybe they would be in a different place right now...

moo

(playing devils advocate, of course)

[CuriousJo]

I was re-reading caseys interview with the police. She says she went to pick up caylee and no one was home, then she called her number and it was no longer in service. then she went to a few stores she knows zanny shops at and to blanchard park, then she went to tonEs.

At what point did casey assume it was a kidnapping? she never heard from zanny, maybe they were in an accident.

How did she know if caylee would be in danger if she went to the police, her friend the nanny never said anything to her.

Casey later told her mom that zanny wanted caylee as her own. so zanny went from ruthless to wanted caylee as her own.

oh well, im just bidding my time until the docs are released.

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Talking about the kidnapping plot, -what ever happened to the Page of Instructions that Zanny gave Casey to follow at the time of the kidnapping? Thats where Casey said she was told not to contact the police for 1 month. For some reason, I have a feeling that instruction sheet is lost,- because it never existed!

[WillowInFlight]

It was never a kidnapping. That's where people are confused. There was no kidnapping. I think we all know that. It was a murder!

I don't see where anyone is confused, we all KNOW it wasn't a kidnapping.

[kitty1182]

How would he go about that?

imo, moo



LOL, I don't know, he doesn't have much left....imo

[Lyndawitha"Y]

Well, it depends on which of Casey's stories you believe. She left Caylee at Blanchard park with Zanny, or she dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass. JMO.

Wasnt one of Casey's explanations was that she had been given a script to follow?...I think I recall her telling that story, thus she couldnt give any more information as it would put people at risk..Man oh man..Casey sure has told some whoppers, eh?

LMS

[kitty1182]

I don't see where anyone is confused, we all KNOW it wasn't a kidnapping.

I think she misread my post..lol

[CelticDawn]

How would he go about that?

imo, moo

Just get her POed ....and watch her go....

We've seen her shift gears in that August 14th tape .....I bet it gets much more dramatic than that.

[Dunlurken]

I kinda think JB will try to prove Casey is a "sybil"..

She may very well be. However, all the psych exams in the world can't determine if either of Casey's two personalities didn't know right from wrong. Sybil never killed. And she had 16 personalities.

If Baez goes with that defense he will be barking up the wrong tree. JMO. Or else a precedent will be set.

I'm thinking outloud here, sorting it out for myself. Whether or not Casey has multiple personalities is not important. Casey has one body, and that one body, did the deed. JMO.

[margaritaville]

Do you realize the web the State is going to have to draw out on all of her lies??? I feel so sorry for them! The jury will all have a confused face on for a while until they put all the lies together! I feel for them, too!


But really the only thing that the state can prove is true that Casey told them was....

She had a daughter named Caylee, she was 2, she hasn't seen her in 31 days.......

Everything else will be thrown out...

MOO

[spiritwolf46]

do you really think the jury will believe the state when they tell them about their adventure to universal. Who will believe a pretty young girl would actually take the police to a place they didnt work. they will say LE made it up to frame casey.

I mean, who in the world would take LE to a place you didnt work and then keep up the charade that you worked there.

Try explaining this case to a friend who dosent know about it, you will feel like a fool in 2 minutes and your friend will just look at you and shake their head and wonder why you have fabricated such a farfetched story, they will be embarressed for you.

I know. That is what happened when I tried to tell my sister about this story. I just ended up saying that she should get online and read all about it to see if I am right! By the time that I got into just a few lies and how Cindy acted, I actually had to question myself! LOL

Hopefully, the tapes will be admissible in court. That along with a large poster board presentation, I think that the State will do very well with the lies, let alone the rest of the trial.

[margaritaville]

You know it still hasnt been proved that baez wasnt behind the finding of caylees body either.....I applaud Mr Kronk for coming forward....but that whole situation from Dominic casey to the psychic to Lenny saying that he talked to Kronks SO....to baez coming out WITHOUT PROMPTING to say it WASNT HIM on the phone that day......It just smells of a desperate attempt at staging an alternate scenario...

Maybe zanny was being used too....and that is why she had to disappear......

Never underestimate the imagination of a desperate defense attorney.



Oh that would be wonderful if the phone records show it was Jose on the phone with him that day................LOL

Case closed on Casey if it was.....................

[Dunlurken]

It was a kidnapping when Cindy found her and bought her home to find out where Caylee was..imoOkay, I went back and re-read. We need the add sarcasm thingy. LOL.

Sorry guys.

[tisamystery]

Does anybody know . . .

In a police interview Casey said she heard comments from others (friends?) about Zannie - nice woman, etc. Have the police confronted Csaey to provide the names of these people? Obviously, she can't, but have they challenged her with that?

Seems to me her being unable to provide this information makes it unquestionably clear there is no Zannie.

Have they done that?

[WillowInFlight]

She may very well be. However, all the psych exams in the world can't determine if either of Casey's two personalities didn't know right from wrong. Sybil never killed. And she had 16 personalities.

If Baez goes with that defense he will be barking up the wrong tree. JMO. Or else a precedent will be set.

I'm thinking outloud here, sorting it out for myself. Whether or not Casey has multiple personalities is not important. Casey has one body, and that one body, did the deed. JMO.

Thats where you're wrong, if it's proven she has duel personalities, (which I don't believe for a second), it will play a very big part in her defense. So it will be important.

[shelbar53]

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Talking about the kidnapping plot, -what ever happened to the Page of Instructions that Zanny gave Casey to follow at the time of the kidnapping? Thats where Casey said she was told not to contact the police for 1 month. For some reason, I have a feeling that instruction sheet is lost,- because it never existed!

The way I understand it. Her sworn statement to the police is the original one, she went to get caylee from the apartment and no one was home. The knock down at the park is from Lenny and cindy.

[margaritaville]

Caylee wasn't at the curbside. She was back in the woods. A 30 lb dead weight body isn't that hard to carry. JMO.


ITA.. I can carry around a 40 lb bag of dog food no problem, Caylee in a bag wouldn't be tough at all.......Carry it by the not in the bag......
Heck she could toss it over her shoulder if she had too.......

MOO

[Dunlurken]

Does anybody know . . .

In a police interview Casey said she heard comments from others (friends?) about Zannie - nice woman, etc. Have the police confronted Csaey to provide the names of these people? Obviously, she can't, but have they challenged her with that?

Seems to me her being unable to provide this information makes it unquestionably clear there is no Zannie.

Have they done that?

Yes, they did. The guy, Hopkins, who Casey said gave her the name of Zenaida said he doesn't know that woman, never did. Casey is one screwed up mess. Good Lord! And people left her alone with that child? Boggles the mind. JMO.

[CelticDawn]

Do you realize the web the State is going to have to draw out on all of her lies??? I feel so sorry for them! The jury will all have a confused face on for a while until they put all the lies together! I feel for them, too!

Maybe I should send them a proposal:

for a fee <just the THRILL of helping put a child killer away>....I could provide them with state of the art interactivde flowchart of all of Cazseys scenarios<lies> for Caylees demise.

even a flowchart would blow up!!!

[Jeepers]

I don't think she needed the shovel for anything. I think the guy being in his yard caught her off guard and left her feeling the need to explain why she was there at that particular time, or rather make up a reason for her being there during that time. This way it looks as though she is not trying to hide anything, and if needed could serve as an alibi of sorts if anyone were to question her whereabouts during that time period.
IDK,I am probably way off base. I just really don't think she used the shovel for anything.
imo, moo

Elle, I have found that with this case no one is "way off base" Casey has baffled us all and made a lot of us think of things we never would have thought about saying or doing.
Your explanation is reasonable. She could have been caught off guard and thought she had to say something to him. We know Casey has never been at a loss for words.

[tisamystery]

She may very well be. However, all the psych exams in the world can't determine if either of Casey's two personalities didn't know right from wrong. Sybil never killed. And she had 16 personalities.

If Baez goes with that defense he will be barking up the wrong tree. JMO. Or else a precedent will be set.

I'm thinking outloud here, sorting it out for myself. Whether or not Casey has multiple personalities is not important. Casey has one body, and that one body, did the deed. JMO.

Having dual personalities might explain how one might harm Caylee and the other not know about it. But it wouldn't expalin the elaborate lies and the "good" personality not putting out an honest effort to find her.