TUESDAY MORNING JAN. 20th Part 1 [Archive] - Page 3

bhardy1956

01-20-2009, 06:35 PM

Check it out for yourself and make your own determination. Don't rely on some one else. Give us your insight.

TIA

My insight or opinion is I can't see casey driving just down the street and disposing of Caylee. I see her sneeking behind all the houses to the spot where she dumped her. I, (IMO), the storm/flooding moved Caylee closer to the road and the thick brush.
Now, I could be wrong, casey seems to think that she is above everyone else and in her mind, she could do something that obvious and get away with it. Well, she did for awhile, but God bless the meter reader.
I am open to change my opinion the more I know about this case. :read:

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 06:41 PM

I just saw the new link where people are Fuming at Mary the WFTC reporter for starting such rumors on Baez.

In all REALITY , we have heard little from him ,he seems to be the one person who is able to brush it all off and move forward .he has a good track record winning 34 of 36 criminal cases ?

Do we know what he has as far as info ? Does he or has he seen ANNIES dambing <- :w00t: statements ?

I am just wondering hard about Baez comment , it made an impact " When we hear the story we will then all say AWWW I get it now ,he said we have only heard a tiny bit "

Hmmmmmm.....

Who is mad @ Mary the reporter from WFTC? Do you have the link? I am sure that we will be shocked when all the evidence is presented at trial... unfortunately for Baez - I think it's going to make his client look more evil and guilty, if that were possible even.

jmo

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 06:44 PM

I asked for it earlier and got no response.
I've already posted all the info I had on this.
You added some, IIRC.
TYVM

Hmm okay, I think Steffarobb is pretty good with the links. I just wanted to see the backyard to see if there is a gate or not. I thought that's what you were asking bhardy.. to look at the picture to see if there was a gate..

In the end, I guess it doesn't matter. IMO, Casey used her car to transport Caylee to the dump site. :(

kitty1182

01-20-2009, 06:46 PM

This is the link that started the discussion.

http://www.casey-anthony.com/

Whoa! I hadn't seen that.

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 06:46 PM

This is the link that started the discussion.

http://www.casey-anthony.com/

Thanks for the link, MrLucky! Can you tell which is the Anthony home in that aerial view? Or is it not in the picture? I am having a hard time buying this theory... what do you think?

ETA - nevermind I re-watched that.. That is a decent theory but I am still doubtful..

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 06:50 PM

Read the comments at the end of the news article ,heck read the news article it self ,even the states attorney is mad .

I would if I had a link..? :shrug:

never mind.

bhardy1956

01-20-2009, 07:02 PM

This is the link that started the discussion.

http://www.casey-anthony.com/

I posted my opinion and then saw the link that was available and feel that I am going to stick to my opinion of her taking the backway. I can imagine she knows the area very well. I'm not saying she actually dumped Caylee in the spot where she was found. I believe the storm and flood moved Caylee.
Who ever came up with the link and the theory, was very insightful. It is a very good theory.

All of course, IMO

Pretty Leaf

01-20-2009, 07:05 PM

Its a cage, Casey, and you are really "in the best place".
Absolutely.

She knows all about dorm rooms from the time she spent in college down in southern florida. :rolleyes: studying to be an event planner, I guess.

What was the name of the friend of Caseys who said that it was her dream to be an event planner, and was taking courses towards that, and so she was a little 'pizzed" that an event planner job would have just been handed to casey, who had NOt gone to college (I think this was a high school friend, IIRC.)

Hard to go to college if you haven't fiinished HS yet.

Susie419

01-20-2009, 07:05 PM

:wub:

I thought you didn't understand my post.
I just find myself going ying-yang over my feelings for G & C.
I can't help myself.
Their world has been destroyed. I would compare their loss to my family members from Katrina. IMO, I don't think they'll ever be able to get their lives back together.

JMO

**************************************************
I can identify with you 2w4u. I too have gone thru the Katrina event here in gulf coastal Louisiana areas, seen so much devastation, it seems that it permanently breaks your heart and compassion just overflows for anyone in pain, suffering, strife, whatever the circumstances.
In spite of disagreeing with the A's on so many levels, I still see 2 heartbroken grandparents who lost their little princess grandaughter who was the joy of their life. Now , knowing that their own daughter is probably the culprit, they can't help but love her, parents can't just love their kids every now and then, it's a love without end, and it's unconditional...I have 2 daughters with each 2 daughters, and I try and see myself in that scenario, and as much as I'd hate the crime, hate the evil act that they did, I think I'd be seeking answers as to why they did it, and wondering if "I" was to blame in some way, was it something I did wrong to make her that way? But my love would be just as strong, even knowing they'de get the DP for the act, the love never dies. A mothers love is a powerful force...jmho:crying:

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 07:11 PM

I posted my opinion and then saw the link that was available and feel that I am going to stick to my opinion of her taking the backway. I can imagine she knows the area very well. I'm not saying she actually dumped Caylee in the spot where she was found. I believe the storm and flood moved Caylee.
Who ever came up with the link and the theory, was very insightful. It is a very good theory.

All of course, IMO

Interesting thoughts about the storm moving Caylee further out. I guess I always assumed she was placed closer to the road and the storm pushed her deeper into the woods.. You have a great theory. Thanks for sharing it. :)

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:14 PM

This is the link that started the discussion.

http://www.casey-anthony.com/

Where did this originate?

TisMeAgain

01-20-2009, 07:14 PM

i just saw the new link where people are fuming at mary the wftc reporter for starting such rumors on baez.

In all reality , we have heard little from him ,he seems to be the one person who is able to brush it all off and move forward .he has a good track record winning 34 of 36 criminal cases ?

Do we know what he has as far as info ? Does he or has he seen annies dambing <- :w00t: Statements ?

I am just wondering hard about baez comment , it made an impact " when we hear the story we will then all say awww i get it now ,he said we have only heard a tiny bit "

hmmmmmm.....

baaahaaahaaaa.....

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 07:16 PM

On JVM - a reporter says that Baez is sifting through 300 pages of new documents released......... where are those? C'mon Kathi Belich! Let's see it.. :loveeyes:

AJandTam

01-20-2009, 07:16 PM

On JVM - a reporter says that Baez is sifting through 300 pages of new documents released......... where are those? C'mon Kathi Belich! Let's see it.. :loveeyes:

:thumbsup: I have been watching this place for two days waiting.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:17 PM

I posted my opinion and then saw the link that was available and feel that I am going to stick to my opinion of her taking the backway. I can imagine she knows the area very well. I'm not saying she actually dumped Caylee in the spot where she was found. I believe the storm and flood moved Caylee.
Who ever came up with the link and the theory, was very insightful. It is a very good theory.

All of course, IMO

If she went in the back way, why did she place her so close to the road? I think she drove to the site and just went back in a few feet. If she had gone the back way, I think Caylee would have been further back in the wooded area.

Cury-us Coyote

01-20-2009, 07:18 PM

Tracian

01-20-2009, 07:18 PM

JVM is showing the Casey tape again....

steffaroob4

01-20-2009, 07:18 PM

Whoa! I hadn't seen that.

It would be more impressive if it was the right house.

Tracian

01-20-2009, 07:19 PM

8BellesFan

01-20-2009, 07:20 PM

If she went in the back way, why did she place her so close to the road? I think she drove to the site and just went back in a few feet. If she had gone the back way, I think Caylee would have been further back in the wooded area.

maybe, big emphasis on maybe, she drove there and used the gas cans as a cover to make sure traffic was clear and then put Caylee to the side of the road, loaded the cans and sped off. maybe.....

edited to add, I just got home and have not read back so if this was already posted, sowwy.

Cury-us Coyote

01-20-2009, 07:23 PM

What a circus...now the BAR is involved. JVM is not talking about it, I wonder if NG will bring it up.

Is JVM really this uninformed - not aware of busing in jurors, boat in the discovery woods - or does she just play stoopid on TV?

bhardy1956

01-20-2009, 07:25 PM

I hope that I didn't come off as being snippy earlier. I just wanted your opinion. Thank you for input. I agree.

No Worries! I have read many of your posts and it seems I agree with the majority of them. We tend to be on the same page. :read:
:beer:

101Spots

01-20-2009, 07:25 PM

Is JVM really this uninformed - not aware of busing in jurors, boat in the discovery woods - or does she just play stoopid on TV?

Yes, she is.

And the networks actually pay her for such drivel.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:25 PM

Someone shared it this morning.

On that map, the place where they are showing the body was found is inaccurate. It was more closer to the road, I know for sure from Suburban that it was found starting at that area where it narrows down by the street. I'm guessing it would have also been somewhere between that first and second house. I can't explain the car backed in the garage that day and borrowing the shovel unless that was the day she was putting Caylee in the plastic bag. I just don't see Casey carrying her that far back. She's too lazy. She just pulled off the side of the road and went in right there.

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 07:26 PM

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 07:28 PM

Is JVM really this uninformed - not aware of busing in jurors, boat in the discovery woods - or does she just play stoopid on TV?

I guess so.. :shrug: at least she's not screaming (that much) today... :blink:

bhardy1956

01-20-2009, 07:28 PM

If she went in the back way, why did she place her so close to the road? I think she drove to the site and just went back in a few feet. If she had gone the back way, I think Caylee would have been further back in the wooded area.

As I said in my post that you quoted, I believe she went the back way and dumped her in a woodsy area, but the tropical storm hit (can't remember the name) and the flooding waters may have moved her body closer to the road in the thick of the brush where it was found. I don't believe that casey dumped her body in that thick brush beside the road. IMO, of course.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:29 PM

Is JVM really this uninformed - not aware of busing in jurors, boat in the discovery woods - or does she just play stoopid on TV?

Wait, what about a boat in the discovery woods? I missed the beginning of JVM.

bluwaters

01-20-2009, 07:29 PM

Tim did say the bag was there for awhile, it was a swamp and not a lake I can't see the water moving it.

JMO
Hi y'all

Remember that in June, C. FL was experiencing a heavy drought.
It may have been dry back in there on June 18...

read-in

01-20-2009, 07:30 PM

**************************************************
I can identify with you 2w4u. I too have gone thru the Katrina event here in gulf coastal Louisiana areas, seen so much devastation, it seems that it permanently breaks your heart and compassion just overflows for anyone in pain, suffering, strife, whatever the circumstances.
In spite of disagreeing with the A's on so many levels, I still see 2 heartbroken grandparents who lost their little princess grandaughter who was the joy of their life. Now , knowing that their own daughter is probably the culprit, they can't help but love her, parents can't just love their kids every now and then, it's a love without end, and it's unconditional...I have 2 daughters with each 2 daughters, and I try and see myself in that scenario, and as much as I'd hate the crime, hate the evil act that they did, I think I'd be seeking answers as to why they did it, and wondering if "I" was to blame in some way, was it something I did wrong to make her that way? But my love would be just as strong, even knowing they'de get the DP for the act, the love never dies. A mothers love is a powerful force...jmho:crying:

I too can understand an un-condional love, as a mother myself, for me there is no stronger bond.
You will always love your children, However,,, you may not like their actions.
I have never been in such a horrible situation, and pray to god that i never will be. I would like to think, that as a mom, i would always love, but i also believe that all of us are accountable to our mistakes, esp as agregious as this one.I would not hide from the truth, and i would not hinder the investigation. I would not lie. If i have passed on anything to my kids, it has always been, you DONT LIE.. at some point we all have to be held responseable for our actions. and sadly enough, it may, for some take a lifetime.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:31 PM

From
2witchy4u.

What I'm saying is, did you create it?

Pat

01-20-2009, 07:32 PM

Fla. Bar Prepares Case Against Baez

"How is he affording to represent her and are the decisions being made in her best interest and with her permission?" attorney Richard Hornsby said.
...
Baez confirms he is the subject of an ongoing Bar investigation. He said it was filed by people with an axe to grind and has nothing to do with allegations of unethical financial dealings.

"It's all a crock," he said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18523723/detail.html

Depends on who filed the complaints.

The Florida Bar, at the very least, will make him respond to the allegations in writing. I wonder if he'll refuse to tell them where the money is coming from.

If one of the complainants is another lawyer, you know they'll use words that will make Baez reply with more than a "none of your business' response.

I would imagine Baez is known in at least part of the legal community and has established some kind of reputation as far as his ethics go...lawyers are just like everyone else in all professions...they gossip about each other. The legal community is probably on fire over his performance so far in such a high-profile case. :laugh:

MO

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 07:34 PM

As I said in my post that you quoted, I believe she went the back way and dumped her in a woodsy area, but the tropical storm hit (can't remember the name) and the flooding waters may have moved her body closer to the road in the thick of the brush where it was found. I don't believe that casey dumped her body in that thick brush beside the road. IMO, of course.

IMO, no matter how Casey dumped Caylee's body in the woods.. Whether it was the back way or the front.. the water carried her away from where she originally dumped. So it is possible, although I still believe that she was brought to the area via Casey's car and dumped that way.

but your opinion has merit and nobody has proven to me that it's impossible..until then, I will keep an open mind about it. :)

legalmania

01-20-2009, 07:35 PM

I've got a question what is Caylees date of death. June 15th or Dec. 11?

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 07:35 PM

Yeah, I guess anything is possible....

but to carry a body in the swampy, heavily foliaged, wooded area doesn't seem all that likely to me.......

ETA....not to mention apparently snake infested as well. ;)

at least from description of the area from here, and playing on a few golf courses in that area of Orlando with wooded and swampy areas.

But JMO

Adding....think car is mostly likely IMO.I agree that the car is most likely. However, most woods like these have trails through them. I know I spent my childhood in a heavily wooded area with quicksand and all sorts of creatures... but we had trails all through them, and knew them very well. JMO

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:36 PM

Hey, Mr. Lucky. Scroll up a bit and see my theory. See if it holds any water whatsoever.

January, I don't think she went in the back. Remember, the Anthony's house was 15 houses from that corner. I don't think Casey would carry her that far.

Cury-us Coyote

01-20-2009, 07:36 PM

Wait, what about a boat in the discovery woods? I missed the beginning of JVM.

A couple days last week JVM was accusing LE of being lax for not taking a boat into the woods to search.
jmo

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:38 PM

IMO, no matter how Casey dumped Caylee's body in the woods.. Whether it was the back way or the front.. the water carried her away from where she originally dumped. So it is possible, although I still believe that she was brought to the area via Casey's car and dumped that way.

but your opinion has merit and nobody has proven to me that it's impossible..until then, I will keep an open mind about it. :)

I don't think the water moved her at all. IIRC Tim Miller said he saw the indentation under a palmetto bush. If she was pushed back under a palmetto bush, it would be pretty secure. I believe she was in the same place from the very beginning. I do not think anyone moved her.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:40 PM

I've got a question what is Caylees date of death. June 15th or Dec. 11?

My guess is June 16th, I don't know what the ME determined but it surely wouldn't be Dec. 11.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:41 PM

A couple days last week JVM was accusing LE of being lax for not taking a boat into the woods to search.
jmo

Wasn't a retention pond behind the houses searched?

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 07:41 PM

Tim did say the bag was there for awhile, it was a swamp and not a lake I can't see the water moving it.

JMOIt only takes a couple of weeks for something to make an indentation on the ground. As far as the bag moving, it depends on how high the water rose when the hurricane came through, and of course whether animals moved it. I agree though, with palmetto bushes everywhere and how prickly they are, that it would be difficult for that bag to be moved due to the weather unless there was extreme flooding (like above the level of the palmetto bushes). However, I know from first-hand experience with my own animals, that they will drag something dead all over the place.

I think the forensics experts dealing with plant growth will have a better idea as to how long that bag had been there.... and the one article that lays out the prosecution theory says it had been there for quite a few months. JMO

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 07:42 PM

Here is my THEORY. I think she did use the back yard route and dumped the body deep in the middle of those woods. Just like the link that Mr. Lucky posted says. I think the meter reader came across that bag back in August, looked in it or somehow figured out it was Caylee, when the ground was still dry and moved the bag closer to the road so someone else would notice it because I truly do not think he wanted to involve himself too Meanwhile, I think that the investigator found the bag and moved it into the brush so he could get a nice clean shot with his video camera of NOTHING so Baez could say in Court that there was nothing there in November and imply that someone else killed Caylee and dumped her the bag in December. I think the meter reader was hoping that someone else would stumble on that bag and went back there a few times, sees that the bag is further in the woods and decides to just call the police and make them go up there and get it, when the cop did the cursory scan of the area and blew him off, finally he went and got the bag to a place where it would be noticed, called 911 told them the skull had rolled out and the rest is history.um.... I really don't think it was moved by that many people that many times.. but JMO.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:43 PM

Oh, no! Did you click on the web site? If not, you wouldn't know that this page is currently up for sale.

I thought it may have something to do with Baez since it said that a movie would be released 2009.

JMO

I saw something about being for sale but didn't stay there long. I got a virus from the SM site so I try to be careful what I click on now. Did you find it on one of the other boards?

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 07:43 PM

Fla. Bar Prepares Case Against Baez

"How is he affording to represent her and are the decisions being made in her best interest and with her permission?" attorney Richard Hornsby said.
...
Baez confirms he is the subject of an ongoing Bar investigation. He said it was filed by people with an axe to grind and has nothing to do with allegations of unethical financial dealings.

"It's all a crock," he said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18523723/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/video/18524436/index.html

If Baez has made improper deals, Hornsby said that could provide Anthony grounds for an appeal

"It would be so easy for Miss Anthony to claim what is called ineffective assistance of counsel," Hornsby said.

This is my concern....she may actually decide to go for HIS throat if she is sitting in prison and he is living high off the hog.....Theres no telling what kinds of accusations she <and her parents> might come up with....This aint good folks.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 07:44 PM

My guess is June 16th, I don't know what the ME determined but it surely wouldn't be Dec. 11.

Why not Dec 11?

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 07:45 PM

Hi y'all

Remember that in June, C. FL was experiencing a heavy drought.
It may have been dry back in there on June 18...I think the drought ended in mid-June. I would have to go back and check the rain totals, though. July and August definitely had high rain levels. JMO

playnice

01-20-2009, 07:46 PM

She's just the warm-up act for NG, makes NG look good.

JMO

Good way to look at it.

Cury-us Coyote

01-20-2009, 07:46 PM

Wasn't a retention pond behind the houses searched?

Maybe someone should call ask JVM what a retention pond is and if there is one close by?

TisMeAgain

01-20-2009, 07:47 PM

I've got a question what is Caylees date of death. June 15th or Dec. 11?

IMO june 16th

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:47 PM

Why not Dec 11?

She had to be dead long before that because all that was found was skeletal remains.

shelbar53

01-20-2009, 07:47 PM

HI friends. I found this article/blog interesting. There are things that happened early in the case that I was not familiar with. Just little things that cindy said to the press. Thought I would share.

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/01/casey-anthonys-jailhouse-videos-the-mind-and-manipulations-of-a-malignant-narcissist/

legalmania

01-20-2009, 07:48 PM

IMO june 16th

They would be guessing though?

martha

01-20-2009, 07:48 PM

That may be true martha, but the idea of getting that every day is a bit far-fetched imo.You or so right it will not happen every day I have only had it happen to me when I was so scared of something bad happening to someone I love or a close friend. I have only had it happen a few times.jmho

playnice

01-20-2009, 07:48 PM

If Baez has made improper deals, Hornsby said that could provide Anthony grounds for an appeal

"It would be so easy for Miss Anthony to claim what is called ineffective assistance of counsel," Hornsby said.

This is my concern....she may actually decide to go for HIS throat if she is sitting in prison and he is living high off the hog.....Theres no telling what kinds of accusations she <and her parents> might come up with....This aint good folks.

She will eventually turn on him. The holding her to him and the teeny bopper hand holding will come back to bite him in the butt.

Elle

01-20-2009, 07:49 PM

Why not Dec 11?

IIRC in one of the documents released late november it listed Caylee's DOD as the 16th ( I believe) and they have it occurring at the hopespring address. I don't know if they just wrote the address because that is her address or if it is because they believe she died there.
Why would they use Dec.11th? She did not die on Dec. 11th.

joint-heir

01-20-2009, 07:50 PM

IMO, no matter how Casey dumped Caylee's body in the woods.. Whether it was the back way or the front.. the water carried her away from where she originally dumped. So it is possible, although I still believe that she was brought to the area via Casey's car and dumped that way.

but your opinion has merit and nobody has proven to me that it's impossible..until then, I will keep an open mind about it. :)

I agree with you Aubrey...IMO, Casey could have carried the baby, but she would not have walked all that way through that thickly wooded almost jungle!! With snakes and briars and no telling what all else! I tend to think she picked a time when coast was clear and drove back a ways and put her out. Just my thinking...

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 07:50 PM

Was it in that area of Florida?

I ask because we had woods as well....and trails we created with either horses or riding lawn mower......

but from descriptions of the area by posters and the like it's a swampy, heavily foliaged area with plants that will tear you up......

also apparently rattle snakes.No, I grew up a couple of states north of Florida. However, I lived in central Florida for 8 years, camped all over that area, and yes, there are trails through the woods. Even swampy spots have "high" areas...

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:51 PM

kitty1182

01-20-2009, 07:51 PM

She will eventually turn on him. The holding her to him and the teeny bopper hand holding will come back to bite him in the butt.

I think it will too..MO

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 07:52 PM

Why not Dec 11?Because the remains were completely skeletonized. You don't die and become completely skeletonized in seconds. JMO

PROPROS

01-20-2009, 07:53 PM

Is JVM really this uninformed - not aware of busing in jurors, boat in the discovery woods - or does she just play stoopid on TV?
IMO,she is lost...I just sent her an e-mail and it wasn't as kind as it could have been...She is getting on my last nerve. I also told her to keep Jayne Weintraub off the airways.mo

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 07:53 PM

No, I just typed in PPOF's name into my search engine and it came up.

Interesting, so it just came up like that? Guess I'll chance the link again.

shelbar53

01-20-2009, 07:54 PM

Can you basically tell me what those things are? I'm a little shy of clicking on links these days!

Ok here is one thing, there are more. see just little things that I missed, however interesting.

Casey admitted to her parents that while in jail she had been following the news coverage of Caylee as well Casey’s incarceration. On July 25, WESH Channel 2 had the following article: Casey From Jail: “I Wouldn’t Let Anything Happen to my Daughter”.

In the article WESH reported that authorities had released a taped phone call conversation between Casey and members from her family on July 16. The article also reported that Casey’s brother Lee had met with Casey and that Casey wanted to speak to the FBI and the police. Lee had also gotten Casey’s version of what happened to Casey.

Further down in the article was a reference about Cindy being on the Today Show. WESH was able to ask Cindy whether the Anthony family was “still trying” to get Casey out of jail:

WESH 2 cameras caught up with her after the interview. When asked if the family is still trying to get Casey Anthony out of jail, Cindy Anthony said an appeal has been filed. However, she said the focus continues to be on finding Caylee.

She also said if they want to bond Casey Anthony out, finding $50,000 wouldn’t be a problem.

Which seemed to imply that Casey’s parents could have bonded their daughter out of jail if they had chosen to do so. An implication that Casey Anthony was unlikely to overlook.

On July 25, CFNews 13 reported that Casey’s parents had set up a “Caylee Call Center”. According to George Anthony, the center had contacted over 100,000 people with a prerecorded message from George. George also spoke about the ongoing investigation:

kitty1182

01-20-2009, 07:55 PM

Interesting, so it just came up like that? Guess I'll chance the link again.

It's ok, I clicked on it..

legalmania

01-20-2009, 07:55 PM

IIRC in one of the documents released late november it listed Caylee's DOD as the 16th ( I believe) and they have it occurring at the hopespring address. I don't know if they just wrote the address because that is her address or if it is because they believe she died there.
Why would they use Dec.11th? She did not die on Dec. 11th.

Well Florida has a law that if your body is not found in five years you can be claimed dead, so I think they use the date you're found, but I could be wrong, to much research.

bluwaters

01-20-2009, 07:59 PM

Nancy Grace - live stream
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nancy-grace-ustream-channel-by-torbenmiller

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:01 PM

IMO it seems to be a safe site.

And very interesting.

Check it out.

JMO

It's safe I got no attack warning. However run a virus scan after just in case.

rj1212

01-20-2009, 08:01 PM

wth????

"search continues for a missing 3 year old girl...."

Please stop it NG...Stop it!:cursing:

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 08:02 PM

Another re-reun on NG! I have seen this at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and again now.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:05 PM

Well we built retention ponds at an Automobile Manufacturing plant.....their purpose was to retain the rain water......the storm drains throughout the parking areas flowed into the retention ponds.

Is a retention pond the same as a quarry?

bluwaters

01-20-2009, 08:07 PM

Yep, maybe she should add two words...okay three.....

THE FOR JUSTICE ;)

THE search FOR JUSTICE continues....

Adding.....and substract MISSING :)
That's a great idea N71!
You should email it to her.
Too bad about this rerun! Grrrr!
Think NG is in DC tonight?

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 08:08 PM

Well another poster, believe it was Mr.Lucky, brough up statements made by Tim Miller about the indention in the ground.....

Of course anything is possible. JMO

ETA...sorry it was IM4Truth about the indention...Mr.Lucky relayed that Tim said the body was there for awhile.

But Faye hit soon after Caylee was dumped in the woods. So if the water did move Caylee's body and I would assume it took it awhile for the water to recede enough for Caylee's body to take an indention.. it is still possible. I believe Faye hit maybe around a month after Caylee was dumped.. so Caylee's little body would have still had 5 months to make an indention. :shrug:

ETA - actually I was wrong - I think Faye hit in August.. although I am not positive.. so that would be 2 months after Caylee was dumped - but that still leaves 4 months for her little body to create an indention. jmo.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 08:09 PM

Well Florida has a law that if your body is not found in five years you can be claimed dead, so I think they use the date you're found, but I could be wrong, to much research.

If a body is not found within 5 years, how can there be a date that the body is found? Did you mean they use the date the person goes missing?

Tracian

01-20-2009, 08:10 PM

NG is playing the tapes of Casey's questioning...

Sorry, but only a complete idiot would believe the nonsense she is giving to police.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:12 PM

A quarry here is where they get rocks, stones, etc.

So not the same in this area.

JMO

I thought they took sand to make a retention pond. In Florida we called them man made lakes. Here in Georgia everything is rock where I live so they use explosives. It feels like Iraq at times.

Cury-us Coyote

01-20-2009, 08:13 PM

shelbar53

01-20-2009, 08:14 PM

Good nite, my friends. May you rest well and be ready to read in the A.M.

Hoping for the doc-drop.

Read you all tomorrow.

2w4u

night, see you tomorrow

rj1212

01-20-2009, 08:15 PM

Casey sounds like she is ENJOYING her lies to LE...it's very interesting.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:16 PM

I guess it depends on the indention (size and depth) that Tim Miller was talking about.....

JMO....but after 2 months I don't believe (sorry to be gross) there would be much of a body left to leave much of an idention. IMO

I thought I heard one of the experts say that when you put a bag and duct tape it causes like a mummification.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 08:16 PM

No Change Of Venue Motion Filed In Casey Anthony Case

If Jose Baez does file that motion, a hearing will be set and the motion will be considered in open court.

The motion is public information, and the court said they will release that information if, and when, it's filed.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/20/no_change_of_venue_motion_filed_in_casey_anthony_c ase.html

Oh yeah, JB made it sound like he was just itching to get his hands on those papers but Monday was a holiday, so why wasn't he there first thing this morning? Too busy scrambling around trying to cover his own butt!

shelbar53

01-20-2009, 08:17 PM

Hey whatever happened to all those documents that were supposed to be provided to the public the other day?:confused:

Hi jan, dont know what happened. check out this link

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/01/casey-anthonys-jailhouse-videos-the-mind-and-manipulations-of-a-malignant-narcissist/

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 08:18 PM

I guess it depends on the indention (size and depth) that Tim Miller was talking about.....

JMO....but after 2 months I don't believe (sorry to be gross) there would be much of a body left to leave much of an idention. IMO

Exactly, but the bag continued to lay there and kill all the undergrowth. The animals probably chewed through the bag to get to the remains.

BANJO GRANNY

01-20-2009, 08:19 PM

I don't think the water moved her at all. IIRC Tim Miller said he saw the indentation under a palmetto bush. If she was pushed back under a palmetto bush, it would be pretty secure. I believe she was in the same place from the very beginning. I do not think anyone moved her.

I agree I think she was there the whole time, why I don't think anyone else moved her or put her there except her poor excuse of a mother. I do think others knew after the fact where she was put. IMO

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

Lapis

01-20-2009, 08:19 PM

I've got a question what is Caylees date of death. June 15th or Dec. 11?

I don't know the law in Florida, but when a friend of the family died in the Pan Am crash in Scotland in the 80's his date of death was listed on the death certificate as the date his body was recovered because that was the date the death was confirmed.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 08:20 PM

Hey whatever happened to all those documents that were supposed to be provided to the public the other day?:confused:

Well, yesterday was a holiday, hopefully we'll get them tomorrow but I have to work! Dang! I wish I knew for sure and I'd just work from home.

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 08:22 PM

I guess it depends on the indention (size and depth) that Tim Miller was talking about.....

JMO....but after 2 months I don't believe (sorry to be gross) there would be much of a body left to leave much of an indention. IMO

Eh, you might be right but she was in a bag and I believe there was other stuff in the bag, although we don't know for sure about that yet..but it could have created the indention.

bchand

01-20-2009, 08:23 PM

No Change Of Venue Motion Filed In Casey Anthony Case

If Jose Baez does file that motion, a hearing will be set and the motion will be considered in open court.

The motion is public information, and the court said they will release that information if, and when, it's filed.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/20/no_change_of_venue_motion_filed_in_casey_anthony_c ase.html

But, but - didn't we hear Jose say he DID file the motion and expected to hear within the month?

(or did he say he would file it within the month?)

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:25 PM

Retention Pond (http://www.usouthal.edu/geography/fearn/480page/02Jordan/Jordan.htm)

Here is one example of explaining retention ponds in residential areas....

Holy smokes Narcissist, now I can say everything I wanted to know about retention ponds but was afraid to ask. I'm not going to be maintaining one anytime soon.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 08:25 PM

But, but - didn't we hear Jose say he DID file the motion and expected to hear within the month?

(or did he say he would file it within the month?)

Nope, he said he was going to do it and when the reporter asked how long before we would know and he said probably within a month.

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 08:26 PM

I didn't really want to watch Nancy Grace since it wasn't anything new...
but listening to the police interrogation again I was thinking..
when she talked to police and telling them about the different places
she went to see if she could maybe find Caylee, it was her way of saying she was thinking of places to bury or hide Caylee.
Then she said she didn't want to go home because she didn't know
how to explain not knowing where her daughter was = I don't know how I can come up with a good enough lie that my mom or dad would buy. And she also says then she went to her boyfriend's house.(which some people believe Caylee was killed before she went there.)

Not sure if anyone thought of this before... I don't really post that much here.
aaa another Idea: She said she left Caylee with someone she trusted (which maybe she left caylee with a drug she trusted, she felt comfortable with, Caylee felt comfortable with, and the drug took her... but she says Zenaida did..

Maybe. I've seen that talked about before. That Zanny the nanny is actually Xanax. I used to think Caylee died of an unintentional overdose after Casey gave her something sedate her while she went to hang with Tony, but the duct tape over her mouth really skews that theory for me.

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 08:27 PM

Retention Pond (http://www.usouthal.edu/geography/fearn/480page/02Jordan/Jordan.htm)

Here is one example of explaining retention ponds in residential areas....

cliff notes version. :tongueside: (not really.. thanks for the link :) )..

Cury-us Coyote

01-20-2009, 08:27 PM

But, but - didn't we hear Jose say he DID file the motion and expected to hear within the month?

(or did he say he would file it within the month?)

IIRC, JB told GVS the paperwork is ready and COV topic discussed with Judge and State during status meetings - do not think he actually said filed (unless he accidently put it in one of those inappropriate inboxs again).
jmo

desmom

01-20-2009, 08:29 PM

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 08:30 PM

Well, yesterday was a holiday, hopefully we'll get them tomorrow but I have to work! Dang! I wish I knew for sure and I'd just work from home.

Heya IM4Truth,

On JVM - one of the reporters said that Baez was busy with new documents just released. Maybe reporters have them and are busy redacting them right now.. Usually it takes a bit before the media publishes the documents because they have to redact.. (I sure hope that's the case.. :sneaky: )

Anyone know why this is a canned Nancy Grace episode? Is she in DC or something?!?!

shelbar53

01-20-2009, 08:31 PM

I keep coming up with theories from this interrogation..
she says that the day she went to get Caylee and she wasn't there
but she thought everything was ok because its happened before.
(possibly meaning Caylee has been knocked out with a drug in the past...and she couldn't wake Caylee up, but later would wake up, and this time it didn't happen.. Hence "Caylee was kidnapped,....blah blah.")

Good pick up. They say there is always some truth in what caseys says.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:31 PM

Didn't hear that.....I have an idea where you are going, but could you explain?

I'll try not to be to gross. I'm not a scientist but the way I understood if the body is not exposed to the elements such as air and sand it last longer, sometimes they have exhumed bodies after 20 years and they were in perfect condition. Once the bags rips the process gets a lot quicker.

IM4Truth

01-20-2009, 08:31 PM

I keep coming up with theories from this interrogation..
she says that the day she went to get Caylee and she wasn't there
but she thought everything was ok because its happened before.
(possibly meaning Caylee has been knocked out with a drug in the past...and she couldn't wake Caylee up, but later would wake up, and this time it didn't happen.. Hence "Caylee was kidnapped,....blah blah.")

I've always wondered about what Lee meant when he asked Casey "was it like the last time?"

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 08:32 PM

The only thing that has been "confirmed" by LE is that Caylee was found somewhere in an arce wide area. Without knowing any other "facts" it is hard to figure out anything.
The only reason that I don't think Casey took Caylee out the back way is because it is too far from the arce wide area that was searched.

JMO

where in the backyard were the two hits with the cadaver dogs?>was it in a far corner?....around the perimeter?....If so I would say it might have been her route...but so far I havent seen the final results of the dogs.

It seems to me that she could have gone that route.....although it would be quite difficult....if it was marshy and normally had water after any kind of rain...<that water comes qnd goes but it is still muddy>...

bchand

01-20-2009, 08:33 PM

IIRC, JB told GVS the paperwork is ready and COV topic discussed with Judge and State during status meetings - do not think he actually said filed (unless he accidently put it in one of those inappropriate inboxs again).
jmo

Ok thanks - I found this - he expects to file it this week.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 08:36 PM

I don't think the water moved her at all. IIRC Tim Miller said he saw the indentation under a palmetto bush. If she was pushed back under a palmetto bush, it would be pretty secure. I believe she was in the same place from the very beginning. I do not think anyone moved her.

How can there be an indentation made by a disarticulated skeleton? Thats what gets me. In marshes <which I am VERY familiar with> You can have an object sit for a short time and be moved by water leaving behind traces of its prior location....<If you REALLY want> I can bore you with a lesson in fluid mechanics and viscosity and porosity of mud and how it can be read,...

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 08:40 PM

I am halfway listening to NG. KC is good at contolling her anger in this interview. LE is coming down on her harder than G&C, but she remains cool. Only one time did she raise her voice. That girl is one cool lying cucumber!! JMO

desmom

01-20-2009, 08:42 PM

How can there be an indentation made by a disarticulated skeleton? Thats what gets me. In marshes <which I am VERY familiar with> You can have an object sit for a short time and be moved by water leaving behind traces of its prior location....<If you REALLY want> I can bore you with a lesson in fluid mechanics and viscosity and porosity of mud and how it can be read,...

IMO, when Caylee was placed there she was not a disarticulated skeleton. She was a 2 year 10 month old that weighed approximately 35 lbs.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:43 PM

How can there be an indentation made by a disarticulated skeleton? Thats what gets me. In marshes <which I am VERY familiar with> You can have an object sit for a short time and be moved by water leaving behind traces of its prior location....<If you REALLY want> I can bore you with a lesson in fluid mechanics and viscosity and porosity of mud and how it can be read,...

I had a big yard at one time in my life and people would throw their trash back there and after a few days the grass would be dead, now after a rain the bag would get even heavier, and there would be and indentation there. So once the water settled the weeds and vines would hold the bag to the ground, causing a indentation.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:47 PM

Well there is anaerobic decomposition.....

An exhumed body was probably embalmed to begin with......that slows the process.

A buried body is also entombed in a big concrete wall. The doctor said that the animals probably couldn't smell her at first.

ellegna

01-20-2009, 08:47 PM

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 08:49 PM

I thought I heard one of the experts say that when you put a bag and duct tape it causes like a mummification.

Not in THAT humidity that time of year ...

Any kind of leaks, etc in that bag....and remember they were on their hands and knees looking for stray bones.....It wasnt an intact anything...

legalmania

01-20-2009, 08:52 PM

Not in THAT humidity that time of year ...

Any kind of leaks, etc in that bag....and remember they were on their hands and knees looking for stray bones.....It wasnt an intact anything...

This was a expert talking Dr. Baden not me I didn't agree with what he said either but he has a lot more experience then I do. I think he's testifying for the defense, so there you go.

need2no

01-20-2009, 08:52 PM

Ok thanks - I found this - he expects to file it this week.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

It's no wonder we are confused:

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. All right, now, in the event this case is tried in this courthouse, it'd be much like this room. But this case has gotten so much publicity locally, as well as nationally. Do you expect to ask that it be moved to another jurisdiction within the state?

BAEZ: Oh, absolutely. We've already completed our motion for change of venue. We're set to hear the -- have a hearing shortly. Exactly when, though, of course, would depend on the calendar of the judge.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you've got motions filed. You're waiting to get information from the prosecution so the defense can conduct an autopsy itself, and then Caylee will be laid to rest. The family can do the funeral, the grandparents. Then you get to depose the witness list from the prosecution. They can depose your witness list, which is, I think, probably unique to Florida in a criminal case. When do you set a trial date?

BAEZ: Well, we have status conferences throughout the discovery process. And at those conferences, both sides have to keep the judge informed as to how we're moving along. And it's basically up to the discretion of the judge absent a demand for a speedy trial being filed. But in the state of Florida, when you demand a speedy trial, as the defense could do, you are advising simultaneously to the court that you're done with discovery. So obviously, we can't do that until we're absolutely finished with discovery.

VAN SUSTEREN: Only got 10 seconds left, so tell me, when is this hearing -- when is the hearing or the decision likely made on change of venue of this trial, where this trial's likely to be?

BAEZ: I would say within the next month.

casey speak.........

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480477,00.html[/B]

Elle

01-20-2009, 08:52 PM

Hi jan, dont know what happened. check out this link

http://deathby1000papercuts.com/2009/01/casey-anthonys-jailhouse-videos-the-mind-and-manipulations-of-a-malignant-narcissist/

Thank you for posting this. I found it to be very well written and very thorough. While so many things caught my eye, I thought this statement of Cindy's to be really interesting.

“Her plan was to get us all back together, and I think her plan has changed and I think that’s what happened,” said Cindy Anthony. “Her plan changed halfway through, and she doesn’t know where it’s at right now. I truly believe Casey knows who has Caylee but it’s code name. That’s why they can’t find that person just yet.”

I wonder if this has anything to do with Lee's question 'Is this like last time?' I wonder if Casey had done something similar in the past to get maybe George to come home, or to keep him from leaving.
WTHeck does she mean when she says 'her plan changed halfway through, and she doesn't know where it's at right now.'?

imo

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 08:55 PM

Well you might be right.....

I'm not saying you are wrong, but to your knowledge (because I haven't seen it), has any reporter or anyone video taped anything in that area......I would think if there were trails someone would have shown them to the public.

JMO....again not saying you are wrong, but I would have thought someone would have shown us these trails....and maybe you have seen some video of them.Nope, but Casey's friend said they used to hang out in those woods.. .so I assume they found some "high spots".

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 08:56 PM

IMO, when Caylee was placed there she was not a disarticulated skeleton. She was a 2 year 10 month old that weighed approximately 35 lbs.

Yes....and I dont doubt there was a trace indentation of where her body was originally....but in a marsh it flows....even the mud flows...and as time passed ... disarticulation...The bag may or may not move initially depending on the level of the water and if it was flowing or stagnant..

the bag may have been in the same place <addressing legalmania> mmmbut the bones were scatterded about
From Narcissist:
wouldn't mind you boring me as you put it.....(because I really wouldn't be bored)

but normally wouldn't the traces be gone after a short time if the water level doesn't recede fairly rapidly? It depends on whether the water was flowing <drainage pattern in the area> and which way it was flowing...OR if it was stagnant for a period of time....If it was stagnant morde particles would come out of solution in a uniform <more uniform> manner and the indentation would be better preserved.

101Spots

01-20-2009, 09:00 PM

<snipped>
WTHeck does she mean when she says 'her plan changed halfway through, and she doesn't know where it's at right now.'?

imo

Translation: "I was going to just dump the snotnose and take off to Cali, but I got arrested on a ******* whim, so my plan has changed."

Or words to that effect.......

need2no

01-20-2009, 09:00 PM

where in the backyard were the two hits with the cadaver dogs?>was it in a far corner?....around the perimeter?....If so I would say it might have been her route...but so far I havent seen the final results of the dogs.

It seems to me that she could have gone that route.....although it would be quite difficult....if it was marshy and normally had water after any kind of rain...<that water comes qnd goes but it is still muddy>...

According to Cindy, there were 3 >inconsistent< hits in her backyard:

CINDY ANTHONY: I was told that the dog was inconsistent on a hit here and...
VAN SUSTEREN: 1-Here being right here at the house?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. 2-And inconsistent where her sandbox was.
VAN SUSTEREN: Which is where?
CINDY ANTHONY: Where it's at now, roughly.
VAN SUSTEREN: Oh, is this the sandbox?
CINDY ANTHONY: That's the sandbox.
VAN SUSTEREN: That has a cover on it. OK.
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.
VAN SUSTEREN: So there was -- there was an inconsistent alert here.
CINDY ANTHONY: 3-Yes, an inconsistent alert over in the corner of the house.
VAN SUSTEREN: Meaning over behind -- near the pool?
CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:01 PM

Not where I'm from......you from Louisiana?

I am and most bodies are buried above ground...Ever seen that big huge complex of cemeteries in the center of New Orleans?

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:02 PM

legalmania

01-20-2009, 09:02 PM

Actually IMO from work that I have been involved in.....Anaerobic decomposition is stinkier than aerobic.

Think of a septic tank being pumped out......

Not insulting you, but I'm trying to keep it simple...and not bore you.

Like I said I was quoting Dr. Baden who I think is testifying for the defense. I have had experience with trash in my yard not any dead bodies. It's best to keep it simple with me, I am not smarter than a fifth grader.

Elle

01-20-2009, 09:03 PM

If you ask me, they all have an expertise and talking babble and that's a nice way to put it. It's Casey speak but now it's coming out of Cindy, George and Lee too. So I guess the nomenclature is Anthonyspeak.

LOL, I had to look that word up!

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 09:03 PM

It's no wonder we are confused:

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. All right, now, in the event this case is tried in this courthouse, it'd be much like this room. But this case has gotten so much publicity locally, as well as nationally. Do you expect to ask that it be moved to another jurisdiction within the state?

BAEZ: Oh, absolutely. We've already completed our motion for change of venue. We're set to hear the -- have a hearing shortly. Exactly when, though, of course, would depend on the calendar of the judge.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you've got motions filed. You're waiting to get information from the prosecution so the defense can conduct an autopsy itself, and then Caylee will be laid to rest. The family can do the funeral, the grandparents. Then you get to depose the witness list from the prosecution. They can depose your witness list, which is, I think, probably unique to Florida in a criminal case. When do you set a trial date?

BAEZ: Well, we have status conferences throughout the discovery process. And at those conferences, both sides have to keep the judge informed as to how we're moving along. And it's basically up to the discretion of the judge absent a demand for a speedy trial being filed. But in the state of Florida, when you demand a speedy trial, as the defense could do, you are advising simultaneously to the court that you're done with discovery. So obviously, we can't do that until we're absolutely finished with discovery.

VAN SUSTEREN: Only got 10 seconds left, so tell me, when is this hearing -- when is the hearing or the decision likely made on change of venue of this trial, where this trial's likely to be?

BAEZ: I would say within the next month.

casey speak.........

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480477,00.html[/b]

Maybe JB thought when he whispered in the sidebar with the Judge something about COV, he thought he was fileing it then!!! Didn't he run into a problem earlier in this case because he failed to file a motion? JMO

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:04 PM

I believe the dogs hit in this corner
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/41089096.jpg

Thanks...

No way out from that corner....so I would suspect that her body was initially hiden back there...not taken through there on a back route...

legalmania

01-20-2009, 09:04 PM

Not where I'm from......you from Louisiana?

I've lived in Florida a long time so I forget about other states. We have condos for the dead down there.

need2no

01-20-2009, 09:06 PM

Maybe JB thought when he whispered in the sidebar with the Judge something about COV, he thought he was fileing it then!!! Didn't he run into a problem earlier in this case because he failed to file a motion? JMO

Yes, now that you mention it I believe he did....now if someone can remind me what the motion was about.

Elle

01-20-2009, 09:07 PM

Translation: "I was going to just dump the snotnose and take off to Cali, but I got arrested on a ******* whim, so my plan has changed."

Or words to that effect.......

You translate anthonyspeak very well!

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 09:07 PM

Not where I'm from......you from Louisiana?

The poster may have been referring a concrete vault. The only place in LA that a vault could not be used is in the area that is below sea level. In those areas, bodies are "buried" above ground in a masoleum. JMO

read-in

01-20-2009, 09:08 PM

I am and most bodies are buried above ground...Ever seen that big huge complex of cemeteries in the center of New Orleans?

UHHMMM, hi Celtic, im from calif... sorry to sound like a real dunse, but, just how is it, that you bury ABOVE GROUND??? can you enlighten me?
tyvmia

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:09 PM

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:10 PM

legalmania

01-20-2009, 09:11 PM

The poster may have been referring a concrete vault. The only place in LA that a vault could not be used is in the area that is below sea level. In those areas, bodies are "buried" above ground in a masoleum. JMO

It was me in Florida we are mostly below sea level but everybody was buried underground now were running out of land so they actually started condos for the dead. There's about 500 people to a building.

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 09:13 PM

I am and most bodies are buried above ground...Ever seen that big huge complex of cemeteries in the center of New Orleans?

Yes, very famous by the French Quarter, right? Didn't they have a hurricane years ago and bodies were floating around, so they started burying people above ground in tombs. It is too far below sea level to bury underground, IIRC.

legalmania

01-20-2009, 09:15 PM

The poster may have been referring a concrete vault. The only place in LA that a vault could not be used is in the area that is below sea level. In those areas, bodies are "buried" above ground in a masoleum. JMO

I remember seeing all the coffins floating in the news during Katrina, how awful.

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:15 PM

UHHMMM, hi Celtic, im from calif... sorry to sound like a real dunse, but, just how is it, that you bury ABOVE GROUND??? can you enlighten me?
tyvmia

http://www.nolacemeteries.com/types.html

It is done because the city is from 1 - 8 feet bllow sea level depending on where in the area you are...If we buried below ground the bodies would just float back up because the water table is essentially ground level but kept pumped out ...we have "levee systems' and drainage canals with humungous pumps to keep the water at bay....but we walk a fine line

Florida is different....There is limestone...Its like a big sponge....They have SINKHOLES ...Then there are marshes in between....<like where caylees remains were found> which is scarier to me than being below sea level

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 09:16 PM

Yes, very famous by the French Quarter, right? Didn't they have a hurricane years ago and bodies were floating around, so they started burying people above ground in tombs. It is too far below sea level to bury underground, IIRC.

If one tried to dig a grave, it would fill up with water before they could finish.

In MS, there was a cemetery just across the St. from the Gulf. There were graves and masoluems. A lot of bodys were washed away. JMO

desmom

01-20-2009, 09:17 PM

Yes....and I dont doubt there was a trace indentation of where her body was originally....but in a marsh it flows....even the mud flows...and as time passed ... disarticulation...The bag may or may not move initially depending on the level of the water and if it was flowing or stagnant..

--snipped--

When I think of a marsh, I think of grasses, reeds, back waters or standing water. From the pictures I have seen of the area, there appears to be a lot of large bushes and trees. It did not remind me of a marsh.

The farm field around us have waterways. They can have standing water from a couple of weeks to a couple of months depending on the snow from the previous winter and the spring rains. There is very little if any flow to the water. The water stands until it can be absorbed into the ground or evaporates.

I think animals caused the scattering of Caylee's bones. I do not believe it was caused by floods or mud flows. If the body was moved by water or mud flows, I do not believe there would have been an indention.

jmo

legalmania

01-20-2009, 09:19 PM

Well I'm gonna split so divert all question to my secretary, Jose Tally-Ho :seeya:

cherish

01-20-2009, 09:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jkim87 View Post
I keep coming up with theories from this interrogation..
she says that the day she went to get Caylee and she wasn't there
but she thought everything was ok because its happened before.
(possibly meaning Caylee has been knocked out with a drug in the past...and she couldn't wake Caylee up, but later would wake up, and this time it didn't happen.. Hence "Caylee was kidnapped,....blah blah.")

I've always wondered about what Lee meant when he asked Casey "was it like the last time?"
Good theory! I could never make any sense out of Lee's question.

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:20 PM

Yes, very famous by the French Quarter, right? Didn't they have a hurricane years ago and bodies were floating around, so they started burying people above ground in tombs. It is too far below sea level to bury underground, IIRC.

betsy in the early 60s which I wasnt around yet....and Katrina and Gustav....but Katrina was the WORST

when the hurricanes hit Florida there si flooding but they are pretty much above sea level and dont have that problem. when that hurricane came through Orlando area and caylees body was out there....that type of flooding is not the same as that in NO....because they have drainage there....Here...You cant drain a bowl.

Dells

01-20-2009, 09:20 PM

She will eventually turn on him. The holding her to him and the teeny bopper hand holding will come back to bite him in the butt.

I think so too.... He will curse the day he met Casey Anthony.

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 09:20 PM

When I think of a marsh, I think of grasses, reeds, back waters or standing water. From the pictures I have seen of the area, there appears to be a lot of large bushes and trees. It did not remind me of a marsh.

The farm field around us have waterways. They can have standing water from a couple of weeks to a couple of months depending on the snow from the previous winter and the spring rains. There is very little if any flow to the water. The water stands until it can be absorbed into the ground or evaporates.

I think animals caused the scattering of Caylee's bones. I do not believe it was caused by floods or mud flows. If the body was moved by water or mud flows, I do not believe there would have been an indention.

jmo

I think of Marsh as you described. I think the place where Caylee was found would be a wet weather swamp area. In other words, it would collect water during the rainy season and plant growth would flourish, but it would dry out when the rains stopped and the plant growth would die back somewhat. JMO

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:22 PM

Yes I was thinking about it......I wanted to edit my post to add this....

ETA...Sorry.....I know it would depend on the "type of mud".....clay becomes rather compacted.....do know that Florida soil is Class A type....so would seem it would level out fairly quickly......of course I have no idea about that particular area.

but time expired for me.Very little clay in central Florida.

Dells

01-20-2009, 09:22 PM

IMO,she is lost...I just sent her an e-mail and it wasn't as kind as it could have been...She is getting on my last nerve. I also told her to keep Jayne Weintraub off the airways.mo

Bolding is mine....

She doesn't seem to have JW on as much as she used to. Maybe she is getting lots of emails about her?:unsure: I personally turn her show off when JW is on because some of her comments and theories are just too outrageous for me and they make me mad, lol!:tonguewag:

Pat

01-20-2009, 09:26 PM

Are you from the MS Coast, ?noanswer? The cemetery you are referring to is right next to the old Broadwater Hotel, and the marina was across Hwy 90, but not directly in front of the cemetery.

Some of the caskets to the front of the cemetery were also dislodged and/or lost during Camille, which had a very high storm surge as well.

The back of the cemetery fared a lot better...loss of top sand/soil but not a lot of damage. It is a small cemetery, which is probably why.

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:27 PM

Bolding is mine....

She doesn't seem to have JW on as much as she used to. Maybe she is getting lots of emails about her?:unsure: I personally turn her show off when JW is on because some of her comments and theories are just too outrageous for me and they make me mad, lol!:tonguewag:

IMO That weintraub woman needs a muzzle ...!!!!

Dells

01-20-2009, 09:27 PM

NG is playing the tapes of Casey's questioning...

Sorry, but only a complete idiot would believe the nonsense she is giving to police.

I agree. I can't wait until they play those to a jury.:biggrin:

jammies

01-20-2009, 09:29 PM

Yes, I agree....

Class A Soil type is more sandy.....less cohensive.

Lived there. It's sandy and "shallow". We could feel someone walking down the street in our house. It vibrated.

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 09:30 PM

Elle

01-20-2009, 09:30 PM

I don't know how the Anthonys can stand to live in that house....I believe caylee was killed there and stashed in the backyard until that little demon of a mother had the opportunity to put her in the trunk....Then she drove around for two days until she couldnt take the smell anymore....Then caylees body was dumped where the bag was found, or at the very least very close to the bags final location...

I

I was thinking about this. I don't know how they can bear it. My guess is that they are not ready to leave. Maybe they can feel her there and can't let go. I don't know why, I can't imagine the sadness at that house right now. Maybe they feel if they leave the house, they are leaving her.
After my grandfather died, my nana had the sheets of the bed changed and his stuff boxed up the same day. Some said she was cruel and hearless, she said if she did not do it then, she would never be able to do it. Another relative lost her daughter in a tragic train accident, not one thing was touched in her room, for over 30 years, until she died. I do understand the circumstances are different in my examples and Caylee.
I don't think I could live there anymore, and yet I would never want to leave. I would spend every moment praying to wake up from this most horrific nightmare.
completely moo

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:30 PM

UHHMMM, hi Celtic, im from calif... sorry to sound like a real dunse, but, just how is it, that you bury ABOVE GROUND??? can you enlighten me?
tyvmia
They are buried in concrete vaults above ground. As far as I know, that area in Lousiana is the only place in the US where that is done. JMO.

need2no

01-20-2009, 09:31 PM

I think of Marsh as you described. I think the place where Caylee was found would be a wet weather swamp area. In other words, it would collect water during the rainy season and plant growth would flourish, but it would dry out when the rains stopped and the plant growth would die back somewhat. JMO

Here's a pic with TES searchers:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-TEScoversareanearAshome.jpg

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 09:32 PM

betsy in the early 60s which I wasnt around yet....and Katrina and Gustav....but Katrina was the WORST

when the hurricanes hit Florida there si flooding but they are pretty much above sea level and dont have that problem. when that hurricane came through Orlando area and caylees body was out there....that type of flooding is not the same as that in NO....because they have drainage there....Here...You cant drain a bowl.

Thanks for the explanation. Does anyone know if Hurricane Faye still hurricane status when it hit Florida? For some reason I thought it had lessened its strength and was only a tropical storm, although I am not positive.

Also I wanted to correct a previous post - I believe I stated that Faye hit in August and it actually hit mid-September..

Dells

01-20-2009, 09:32 PM

Casey sounds like she is ENJOYING her lies to LE...it's very interesting.

It also sounds like she is not flustered at all. If I was 22 years old and being interrogated by 3 police detectives I would have been quaking in my boots, and crying to the point where they wouldn't be able to understand me any longer. She seems very calm, cool, and collected. I know she wouldn't be able to fake tears for Caylee, but I'm curious as to why she isn't crying for herself? She probably didn't realize how much trouble she was in yet. She probably thought she could sweet talk the detectives and then she would be on her way. She seems very cold on that tape.:scared:

jammies

01-20-2009, 09:33 PM

They are buried in concrete vaults above ground. As far as I know, that area in Lousiana is the only place in the US where that is done. JMO.

And dang, it's so creepy. My aunt and uncle live on a street that has a cemetary at the end. The "vaults" are upheaving and cracking. Makes you want to skedaddle out of there!

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 09:37 PM

It also sounds like she is not flustered at all. If I was 22 years old and being interrogated by 3 police detectives I would have been quaking in my boots, and crying to the point where they wouldn't be able to understand me any longer. She seems very calm, cool, and collected. I know she wouldn't be able to fake tears for Caylee, but I'm curious as to why she isn't crying for herself? She probably didn't realize how much trouble she was in yet. She probably thought she could sweet talk the detectives and then she would be on her way. She seems very cold on that tape.:scared:

In the back of her minds she probably was thinking

"Just a few more minutes of this and then I'll be in front of the media with all the lights flashing and I'll tell my story, then the $'s will start coming in and everyone will feel so sorrrry for me." So Sad, Too Bad, she didn't get to perform that part of her script!!! JMO

neid_77

01-20-2009, 09:39 PM

i hope someone can answer this quetion for me i heard biazz has the docs already how come they weren't made public? are they not going to be public?...if so why not?

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:39 PM

Yes, I agree....

Class A Soil type is more sandy.....less cohesive.Correct.. Florida is basically karst topography. Sandy soil, and under that is limestone. But mainly above sea level. And the limestone is ... um.. sort of like a hardened sponge, is the best way I can describe it. So sinkholes often develop.

The New Orleans area is mainly below sea level. You can actually stand on the ground and see lakes ABOVE you. It is very bizarre. Which is why bodies are entombed above ground there.

JMO

jammies

01-20-2009, 09:39 PM

It also sounds like she is not flustered at all. If I was 22 years old and being interrogated by 3 police detectives I would have been quaking in my boots, and crying to the point where they wouldn't be able to understand me any longer. She seems very calm, cool, and collected. I know she wouldn't be able to fake tears for Caylee, but I'm curious as to why she isn't crying for herself? She probably didn't realize how much trouble she was in yet. She probably thought she could sweet talk the detectives and then she would be on her way. She seems very cold on that tape.:scared:

I was trying to figure out her confidence in talking to LE. When you figure her father is ex-LE and numerous sex partners are LE, she feels like she can bamboozle them. Daddy never checked out her stories, and her LE hookups never questioned her so she felt on top of things. She went by her own experiences and expected them to accept her bull. She ain't the brightest bulb.

Pat

01-20-2009, 09:41 PM

Yep, don't tell!! JMO

Your point about how close to sea level the cemeteries are in that area is a good one. Terrible damage was done to the Biloxi Cemetery from Irish Hill Drive to the beach...the closer to the Gulf, the worse it got.

msgatorslayer

01-20-2009, 09:42 PM

Thought it did too.......but didn't zig zag or something......I'd imagine it was more rainfall in Orlando....most of the time the danger of a hurricane is storm surges and the winds, but there can be problems with the amount of rainfall, just less dangerous......JMO of course.

I definitely could be wrong though

Fay was a TS when it came through Orlando, 4 TIMES

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:44 PM

jammies

01-20-2009, 09:44 PM

But her dad was former LE (though not in her lifetime) and she was hanging out with police....or cadets.....

JMO.....seems she felt comfortable around police.......

Again JMO....not sure if I call it a theory.....but if she had no respect for her father and felt he was less than intelligent, and him being former LE....she might have thought of those questioning her on the same level as her father. :shrug:

Adding....and the other "officers" that she knew.....as well

Funny, I wrote almost the exact same. She was totally comfortable bs'ing LE. No fear no emotion. She had bs'd LE for years and years. She thought this was a piece of cake.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:45 PM

And dang, it's so creepy. My aunt and uncle live on a street that has a cemetary at the end. The "vaults" are upheaving and cracking. Makes you want to skedaddle out of there!
lol... lots of ghost stories in the New Orleans area, too...

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 09:45 PM

I was trying to figure out her confidence in talking to LE. When you figure her father is ex-LE and numerous sex partners are LE, she feels like she can bamboozle them. Daddy never checked out her stories, and her LE hookups never questioned her so she felt on top of things. She went by her own experiences and expected them to accept her bull. She ain't the brightest bulb.

Thanks for the insight. I was on the same level as Dells - I just never could understand why she wasn't scared. When I have gotten pulled over for a speeding ticket - I have gotten scared out of my mind and the most they can do to me is give me a ticket but you're right. Her daddy worked security and as a cop, plus she had a lot of LE boyfriends.

It's still very troubling that she was so at ease while lying to them.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:46 PM

Thought it did too.......but didn't zig zag or something......I'd imagine it was more rainfall in Orlando....most of the time the danger of a hurricane is storm surges and the winds, but there can be problems with the amount of rainfall, just less dangerous......JMO of course.

I definitely could be wrong thoughMy memory of that hurricane is that it kept criss-crossing central Florida. Not with hurricane-strength winds, but tons of rain.

neid_77

01-20-2009, 09:46 PM

where the docs released to biazz?? if they where why weren't they made public?

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:47 PM

It also sounds like she is not flustered at all. If I was 22 years old and being interrogated by 3 police detectives I would have been quaking in my boots, and crying to the point where they wouldn't be able to understand me any longer. She seems very calm, cool, and collected. I know she wouldn't be able to fake tears for Caylee, but I'm curious as to why she isn't crying for herself? She probably didn't realize how much trouble she was in yet. She probably thought she could sweet talk the detectives and then she would be on her way. She seems very cold on that tape.:scared:

Yes quaking in your boots <IF you had something to hide,though>...too.

...but Casey is either sick or evil....and she probably got some kind of a sick thrill from all the attention she was getting....probably enjoyed the thrill of the chase.....them chasing the truth and her playing keep-away.

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 09:47 PM

i hope someone can answer this quetion for me i heard biazz has the docs already how come they weren't made public? are they not going to be public?...if so why not?

I'll answer you, but I don't know if my answer is correct.

Once they are released to JB, then the media has to request them. Sometimes some info is redacted before the public sees them. Also once the media gets them, they have to come up with a method of posting them. If there are a lot, they have to be divided into several documents/videos, etc.

Anyone else that is more in the know, please correct or add to this. JMO

msgatorslayer

01-20-2009, 09:49 PM

It also sounds like she is not flustered at all. If I was 22 years old and being interrogated by 3 police detectives I would have been quaking in my boots, and crying to the point where they wouldn't be able to understand me any longer. She seems very calm, cool, and collected. I know she wouldn't be able to fake tears for Caylee, but I'm curious as to why she isn't crying for herself? She probably didn't realize how much trouble she was in yet. She probably thought she could sweet talk the detectives and then she would be on her way. She seems very cold on that tape.:scared:

It would have been over for me when I couldn't produce my 'office'. Not Casey, though. They had her caught in lie after lie and she just kept on going. Even after admitting she was lying about Universal, she mentioned that phone, again, that she got through 'work'.

She did think she sweet talked the 'good cop' into being on her side. And she was shell shocked when they slapped those cuff on her. "They arrested me on a friggin whim today" Totally surprised her.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:49 PM

where the docs released to biazz?? if they where why weren't they made public?We will probably get them tomorrow. All personal information has to be redacted before they can be released.

shelbar53

01-20-2009, 09:51 PM

UHHMMM, hi Celtic, im from calif... sorry to sound like a real dunse, but, just how is it, that you bury ABOVE GROUND??? can you enlighten me?
tyvmia

When I went to new orleans on vacation. I visited the cemetaries. They really are very beautiful. sounds weird but definiately a place to see. Some very old and unique tombs. Goggle it.

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 09:51 PM

lol... lots of ghost stories in the New Orleans area, too...

Try waiting for a bus at the intersection of Canal St, canal Blvd, City Park Blvd, and Metairie Road!!!! ....after dark..... :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

I wouldnt even go down to the area where Caylees body was recovered....It would give me the screaming willies too...!!!

Cury-us Coyote

01-20-2009, 09:52 PM

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O

1/20/2009 A MOTION TO INSPECT CRIME SCENE
1/20/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

neid_77

01-20-2009, 09:52 PM

thanks for the answers:thumbsup:

jammies

01-20-2009, 09:53 PM

Thanks for the insight. I was on the same level as Dells - I just never could understand why she wasn't scared. When I have gotten pulled over for a speeding ticket - I have gotten scared out of my mind and the most they can do to me is give me a ticket but you're right. Her daddy worked security and as a cop, plus she had a lot of LE boyfriends.

It's still very troubling that she was so at ease while lying to them.

Oh, I am so like you. I see red flashing lights 2 miles behind me and I'm just SURE they are after me for tearing off the tag on my mattress.

But Casey was at ease with LE and lying. I think she had "issues" with her dad. She says something about it in the 8/14 jail visit. She consequently enjoyed jerking around her LE boyfriends. Which was EXACTLY what she was doing at Universal. Jerking them around and enjoying every minute. FINALLY, it bit her in the behind.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:54 PM

Try waiting for a bus at the intersection of Canal St, canal Blvd, City Park Blvd, and Metairie Road!!!! ....after dark..... :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

I wouldnt even go down to the area where Caylees body was recovered....It would give me the screaming willies too...!!!This is very off-topic, but funerals are so interesting in New Orleans. They are like a celebratory parade... And tons of ghost stories abound there.

Back on-topic. Yes, it is sad that children have to go by that spot every day on the way to school.

callmetree

01-20-2009, 09:56 PM

Thanks for the explanation. Does anyone know if Hurricane Faye still hurricane status when it hit Florida? For some reason I thought it had lessened its strength and was only a tropical storm, although I am not positive.

Also I wanted to correct a previous post - I believe I stated that Faye hit in August and it actually hit mid-September..

i thought it was august aubrey. i was living in jax when it came through and we took pictures.:confused:

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 09:56 PM

Oh, I am so like you. I see red flashing lights 2 miles behind me and I'm just SURE they are after me for tearing off the tag on my mattress.

But Casey was at ease with LE and lying. I think she had "issues" with her dad. She says something about it in the 8/14 jail visit. She consequently enjoyed jerking around her LE boyfriends. Which was EXACTLY what she was doing at Universal. Jerking them around and enjoying every minute. FINALLY, it bit her in the behind.LMAO at the mattress tag.

There is also that Colonial HS anniversary site or something where some student says that they are all used to dealing with LE.

need2no

01-20-2009, 09:57 PM

We will probably get them tomorrow. All personal information has to be redacted before they can be released.

Isn't it the responsibility of LE to redact anything that needs to be kept private, or close to the vest, before releasing it to the media?

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 09:59 PM

Oh, I am so like you. I see red flashing lights 2 miles behind me and I'm just SURE they are after me for tearing off the tag on my mattress.

But Casey was at ease with LE and lying. I think she had "issues" with her dad. She says something about it in the 8/14 jail visit. She consequently enjoyed jerking around her LE boyfriends. Which was EXACTLY what she was doing at Universal. Jerking them around and enjoying every minute. FINALLY, it bit her in the behind.

:lol:

I guess she thought she could bamboozle them with her "gorgeous" looks and sparkling personality. Luckily that didn't work. :no:

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:00 PM

:lol:

I guess she thought she could bamboozle them with her "gorgeous" looks and sparkling personality. Luckily that didn't work. :no:

You forgot the mile wide smile!!! JMO

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 10:02 PM

Isn't it the responsibility of LE to redact anything that needs to be kept private, or close to the vest, before releasing it to the media?

I thought the media was doing that on their own?!?! That's why we have some versions that are out without the redacting b/c some people were too lazy to redact the info. jmo.

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:02 PM

Question....

Okay I read a document like the cell phone and all the numbers are redacted....

yet I can read the same exact document like the cell phone and no numbers are redacted....

is there a time frame when you can release that info to the public....

just wonder why.....it's the exact same document, but I can read every call and number on one, and not on the other.....

Is someone committing an offense when they release the documents without blacking out things?

Sorry....just a bit confused why anyone bothers to black things out when someone else releases the unredacted (probably not a word) document.

My guess would be that some media outlets are more conscientous or not as lazy as others. JMO

Pat

01-20-2009, 10:03 PM

LMAO at the mattress tag.

There is also that Colonial HS anniversary site or something where some student says that they are all used to dealing with LE.

I'm tired and may remember wrong, but didn't one of Casey's male friends from high school talk about that very thing in an interview with LE? I thought I read about it on a link today. Made me wonder what kind of neighborhood the Anderson's lived in.

jammies

01-20-2009, 10:03 PM

LMAO at the mattress tag.

There is also that Colonial HS anniversary site or something where some student says that they are all used to dealing with LE.

OH yeah, thanks for reminding me. Funny how kids today aren't as afraid of LE as we are. My kids aren't and there have been times they SHOULD have been! lol

I will say, my daughter is the baby of our family. She's tiny, gorgeous and sweet. She has two older brothers. She's a TERRIBLE driver and has been stopped numerous times....and let go. No ticket and LE ends up HELPING her. lol Now my boys only have to look cross-eyed and ZAP! they have a ticket. Much easier for attractive girls to get away with infractions than boys. I'm sure Casey got away with quite a bit and also used her Daddy and bf's as reference.

Not fair, but just the way it is.

callmetree

01-20-2009, 10:03 PM

hurricane faye went through jax,fl. on august 21st.

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 10:03 PM

That was so funny! :biggrin: And I'm the same way. If a police officer looks at me twice I'm ready to throw myself on his mercy. LOL

I agree with your post. She wasn't the least bit intimidated by these guys and they absolutely shocked her by slapping the cuffs on her.

I grew up surrounded by attorneys military and LE so they dont bother me .....except I HATE getting speeding tickets....and I HATE those traffic cams and being summoned to court for something or another....

Casey looks at the interrogation as a game IMO.....she likes the attention and she likes the thrill of her game.

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 10:06 PM

LMAO at the mattress tag.

There is also that Colonial HS anniversary site or something where some student says that they are all used to dealing with LE.

Makes me glad I dont use a public school system....It seems pretty bad that....He said that you dont learn much about books but you learn how to deal woth LE!!! I found that disturbing!!!

neid_77

01-20-2009, 10:07 PM

brodysho

01-20-2009, 10:07 PM

Hope this is okay to share. Not sure if this has already been posted here. I seen it on another forum. Very hilarious :tonguewag:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvu5pTSr6Pk

OCD4Crime

01-20-2009, 10:08 PM

Just wanted to say that Geraldo makes me sick. What's he doing at the youth ball? I'm surprised that Baez is not dancing with him. IMO

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:08 PM

The thing that is interesting about the video or whatever that was that shows the A home and how it backs up to the woods like that is this:

We couldn't picture the area in our heads and know just the way it looks ,yes we've seen aerial views but none that showed how the house backs right up to dense woods.

after seeing this I can not help but voice my opinion ......I don't care how deep the water was , how thick the brush was ...the 2 patches of woods on either side from other aerial photos reveal it was not that big of an area at all............

It astounds me that all the searches , by LE-Tim -LP professionals did not search that area BETTER ..I realize TIM said that searches could damage evidence cause it was too wet , but lets be realistic ,they could not take the 4 wheelers through there cause it would ruin the motors , the horses hooves were thought to push the body down if stepped on by the horses ......that water was not that deep and so why did not some searchers have waiters on to wade through the water ,they have those that come up tot he waist I have sen many fisherman wear them!!!!!

I am sorry I have little tolerance for work not well done ,when there is a task to take on I say do it and do it well and don't stop till you have upturned every stone and every nook and cranny ...I am aggravated by the ENTIRE MESS THIS WAS .........

So many different aspects of goof ups ...that body needed to be found with some flesh left on it ,that was the one way to determine cause of death!

It is pathetic to say the least ....some may say ,could you do a better job and I gotta say after SEEING these aerial views showing the house backed up right to the woods and seeing the other aerial from crime scene and it is obvious that when the others saw all this first hand ,it should have been the first area searched so well that the body would have to have been discovered ........

I do think I could have done a better job......yes I really do in that sense , WHA is the MALFUNCTION of the whole CREW involved ...

Monday back quarterbacking is easy to do. We could set here all day and find fault with everybody involved with this. I don't place the blame on anyone other than the one responsible for all of this. KC She started it all and could have ended it all just by owning up to what she did. I know she has a constitutional right not to incriminate herself, but how could she put her parents, brother, grandparents, all her other relatives, friends and so forth thru all this. KC is the one to blame for all of this. JMO

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 10:11 PM

why did biazz file a motion to inspect the crime scene???? i thought they gave him access to it once they where finished..why does file motion:confused: what crime scene is he talking about? i really hope he isn't that stupid..all he has to do is ask permission from the land owner right? so why ask for it in a motion..isn't it moot! what does the second motion mean anyway?

The more motions he files...the more he can justify putting the trial off further...

They DID give him access to the crime scene....HE wanted tyo go contaminate the crime scene<IMO> BEFORE the CSI people were finished.....then when he GOT access....they decided NOT to go there....and waited for the STATE to give them all of THEIR research....Hes a LAZY WHINER OMO...

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:12 PM

need2no

01-20-2009, 10:12 PM

I thought the media was doing that on their own?!?! That's why we have some versions that are out without the redacting b/c some people were too lazy to redact the info. jmo.

I really don't know the answer...it just seems to me LE would be responsible, not the media.

I mean would LE expect The Globe/Inquirer to take the time, or be responsible enough to care and 'black out' phone #'s, addresses, ss#'s, etc? If someone's personal info was published online (as we've seen), could the person sue, and if so.. would they sue LE, or the media outlet?

Remember when Baez tried (unsuccessfully) to stop the jail visits from being released, and LE stated they had to review the recent visit with Cindy for any evidence before they could release it....then months passed and nothing was releassed, and I suppose this was the one we just saw from the 08/14 visit. In that situation LE took responsibility before releasing.

Just wondering.....

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:13 PM

Isn't it the responsibility of LE to redact anything that needs to be kept private, or close to the vest, before releasing it to the media?hmmm, you are probably right about that.

steffaroob4

01-20-2009, 10:14 PM

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O

1/20/2009 A MOTION TO INSPECT CRIME SCENE
1/20/2009 A NOTICE OF PROVISION OF SUPPLEMENTAL DISCOVERY

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

What crime scene, the A's home?

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:15 PM

Question....

Okay I read a document like the cell phone and all the numbers are redacted....

yet I can read the same exact document like the cell phone and no numbers are redacted....

is there a time frame when you can release that info to the public....

just wonder why.....it's the exact same document, but I can read every call and number on one, and not on the other.....

Is someone committing an offense when they release the documents without blacking out things?

Sorry....just a bit confused why anyone bothers to black things out when someone else releases the unredacted (probably not a word) document.
No idea, Narc... not sure whose responsibility it is to redact that info. I would assume LE, but maybe it is up to the media outlets? I just have no idea.

GentleBreeze

01-20-2009, 10:16 PM

I remember seeing all the coffins floating in the news during Katrina, how awful.

When we had the 1994, 500 hundred year flood here in Georgia we had about 125 coffins float up in our town and were in the river and on its outer banks. These coffins were interned in the ground. Some of them were never identified.

Water can be a powerful force. I do not believe all the rains moved Caylee a great distance but she may have drifted a foot or so until the bag hit something stationary and remained in place until found.

imoo

jammies

01-20-2009, 10:17 PM

Makes me glad I dont use a public school system....It seems pretty bad that....He said that you dont learn much about books but you learn how to deal woth LE!!! I found that disturbing!!!

If I had to raise my kids all over again, I probably wouldn't use the public school system either. Wasn't TOO bad at the time but now with the indoctrination and scary stuff that goes on, I would think twice. Makes me afraid for my kids when they decide to have their own children.

The fact that these Orlando kids brag about getting around the law is disturbing.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:19 PM

(snipped for length)I do think I could have done a better job......yes I really do in that sense , WHA is the MALFUNCTION of the whole CREW involved ...
Unfortunately, Caylee was reported missing 31 days after she actually went missing. It appears from your posts that you are trying very hard to find LE misconduct, or maybe that is just my perception. Sort of like Casey.. blame anyone and everyone except HER! JMO

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:21 PM

I'm tired and may remember wrong, but didn't one of Casey's male friends from high school talk about that very thing in an interview with LE? I thought I read about it on a link today. Made me wonder what kind of neighborhood the Anderson's lived in.
I am not sure who the Andersons are... but yes, there was a Colonial HS site posted in the last couple of days, and one of the students said that they deal with LE all the time, and know how to talk to them (my paraphrasing).

jammies

01-20-2009, 10:23 PM

Is your daughter of age, and single? ;) ;) Just teasing.

lol Yes and yes. (well she's been with the same guy for 6 years but no ring on her finger yet!)

I remember being young (back when we rode in on dinosaurs) and getting out of tickets. A few tears and apologies and off I would go. I imagine Casey had no problems with LE until Cindy made THE phone call.

At that point, she overestimated her charm.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:25 PM

Well I think Cindy said in the FBI interview that Casey got along well with LE that was stationed (not sure if that is the right word) at the school.

Different than my days in school....

though when my niece or nephew has a function even for the Christmas program there are police there....again very different than my days.

Anyway I guess it's common practice these days......pretty sad.
I agree. I don't remember ANY police officers at my schools ever. That was in the 50s-60s, and yes, things have definitely changed. And I agree, it is sad.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:26 PM

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 10:26 PM

I agree. I don't remember ANY police officers at my schools ever. That was in the 50s-60s, and yes, things have definitely changed. And I agree, it is sad.

The Nuns with meter sticks were scary enough for me.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:29 PM

What crime scene, the A's home?No clue... the defense has been to the Anthony home. They also said they didn't want to view the remains scene once LE released them. So who knows?

need2no

01-20-2009, 10:29 PM

Unfortunately, Caylee was reported missing 31 days after she actually went missing. It appears from your posts that you are trying very hard to find LE misconduct, or maybe that is just my perception. Sort of like Casey.. blame anyone and everyone except HER! JMO

ITA...some seem to forget about that 31 day headstart, and the uncooperative Anthony family LE had to deal with at the 31 day starting point. Not to mention this wasn't the only criminal case in Fl.

Pat

01-20-2009, 10:31 PM

I am not sure who the Andersons are... but yes, there was a Colonial HS site posted in the last couple of days, and one of the students said that they deal with LE all the time, and know how to talk to them (my paraphrasing).

As I said, I'm tired...meant the Anthony's. And you are very probably correct about it being the HS site. I just remember reading the one thing about the general attitude of the kids towards LE and found it, as have a number of people who have posted, disturbing.

need2no

01-20-2009, 10:31 PM

No clue... the defense has been to the Anthony home. They also said they didn't want to view the remains scene once LE released them. So who knows?

Another media opportunity for Baez? Wonder if casey will have to attend this one.

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:32 PM

read-in

01-20-2009, 10:32 PM

When I went to new orleans on vacation. I visited the cemetaries. They really are very beautiful. sounds weird but definiately a place to see. Some very old and unique tombs. Goggle it.

Hey shelbar, i acctually really love going to cemetaries, the older the better, does not sound weird to me at all.. i really enjoy hearing about other parts of the country, geography, geology, etc.. i only know what the area in which i live in.... so i really appreciate all the insight and knowledge, and sharing... thanks eveyone..

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:36 PM

I would say she is devious and cunning..certainly not smart..

Some have said men think with the wrong organ. I think KC did that too. JMO

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 10:37 PM

It may appear that way ,but its not my intent and I assure you ,I am nothing like Casey.

The concept that you are missing is that we all already know what CASEY did .........if anyone could have had influence on her and help her this may not have been the case...so since CASEY can't be controlled and this tragedy DID occur ,then " whomever " those with sense and judgement took over and there lies my POINT ..........those with sense ,judgement licensed professionals let this opportunity slip right through their fingers ..................and there is MUCH to be pointed out about all they did let slip through their fingers............no I get nothing from pointing this out but letting off frustration at all of them..........I have no stake in this game and no prior anything to make me point a finger at anybody ,but when I see NEED to I do and I do as of now.

JMO ....no mysterious intent .
hmm, ok. It is LE's fault, eh?

need2no

01-20-2009, 10:40 PM

At least Caylee was found, however late it was. There are many other missing that are never found. JMO

Indeed, this was a Godsend :smile:...I so wish the same had happened with little Trenton. :sad:

Elle

01-20-2009, 10:41 PM

Monday back quarterbacking is easy to do. We could set here all day and find fault with everybody involved with this. I don't place the blame on anyone other than the one responsible for all of this. KC She started it all and could have ended it all just by owning up to what she did. I know she has a constitutional right not to incriminate herself, but how could she put her parents, brother, grandparents, all her other relatives, friends and so forth thru all this. KC is the one to blame for all of this. JMO

I completely agree. Coulda shoulda woulda, bottom line Casey Anthony is responsible.
Your question about how can she put her family, friends, ect. through this I think is a good one, although I think it has been answered in the action of her murdering her own daughter. If she is capable of that, I don't think she gives a damn about what anyone goes through.

imo, moo

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:42 PM

I think she used the fact that some men (not me of course LOL) think with the wrong organ as part of her deviousness and cunning.....though she seemed to have duped females just as much as males.

I wonder if someday she might be the subject of classroom discussions in the Sociopath field. JMO

need2no

01-20-2009, 10:43 PM

I completely agree. Coulda shoulda woulda, bottom line Casey Anthony is responsible.
Your question about how can she put her family, friends, ect. through this I think is a good one, although I think it has been answered in the action of her murdering her own daughter. If she is capable of that, I don't think she gives a damn about what anyone goes through.

imo, moo

I agree, and casey has made that blatantly obvious....it's ALL about her.

SoggyBayou

01-20-2009, 10:44 PM

This shows the path of TS Fay at every 2hour.
(08/15 - 08/24)

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/at20086.asp?feature=radar

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:46 PM

O/T I'm watching the balls. I must say whomever designed Michelle's dress made a big boo boo. It is beautiful, but she has to keep straightening the bottom. It should have been shorter. It looks almost like a train in the back. JMO

FoxySly

01-20-2009, 10:55 PM

It would have been over for me when I couldn't produce my 'office'.

~Snip

:roll: That should have came with a warning!!!

I spit up my snack on my laptop!!!

But you are correct... most of us would have given it up by then IMO.

Sly

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 10:56 PM

Your right and Im so grateful that she was found at all.

I have enjoyed reading your posts tonight and agree with most of your opinions.

:seeya:

Thank you, just trying to pass the time waiting for the document dump. JMO

Balesha

01-20-2009, 10:59 PM

~Snip

:roll: That should have came with a warning!!!

I spit up my snack on my laptop!!!

But you are correct... most of us would have given it up by then IMO.

Sly

Not sure where I heard this, but I think I read somewhere that the defence is gonna stick with the Nanny story. They are gonna say that Casey intentionally lied b/c she received written instructions from zanny to do so. I really really really hope this is their defence. It just looks like one big lie to cover up another.

?noanswer

01-20-2009, 11:02 PM

Not sure where I heard this, but I think I read somewhere that the defence is gonna stick with the Nanny story. They are gonna say that Casey intentionally lied b/c she received written instructions from zanny to do so. I really really really hope this is their defence. It just looks like one big lie to cover up another.

I hope so too. I don't know how they can carry it very far without KC getting on the stand. She might just think she can carry it off and insist on testifying. That would be a hoot!! JMO

jammies

01-20-2009, 11:06 PM

You are so right! I wanted to reply to that post but did not want to give it space again. Why didn't Cindy choke her again when she was out on bond until she confessed - waterboarding would have been good. I don't believe they could not make her confess. Kick her out as she had no place to go.

Why didn't George? Why do they pussyfoot around her? You can BET if she were MY child I would have gone to EXTREMES to get the truth out of her. Waterboarding would have been like a mere hangnail.
I think it's because they already suspected and couldn't bear to hear it out of Casey's mouth. They chose Casey over Caylee.

The proof that they knew already was in no pleading to the "kidnappers", "nanny". No matter WHO they supposedly believed had Caylee, why no public pleading for her return?

Yes, kick her out. They should have never let her come back when Jose bonded her out. At the time I was hoping they wouldn't. They take everyone to task except for Casey. She's the "untouchable" for them.

MrsHudson

01-20-2009, 11:07 PM

ITA. A Mother's love is the Greatest. A grandmother's even more.
My blessings are for the family of 'lil Caylee, not only G&C, but for the other members of the family and the friends of the family. This has got to be shock to them.

I wouldn't want to be there or even wish it upon my worst enemy.

JMO

Hear me now and hate me later but I have to point out the irony of how people can talk about a mother's love when we are following a case where a mother killed her own child. Motherhood does not always automatically = love it appears.

Although it's tragic for Casey's family, her mother's love won't and should not save Casey from going to jail for the rest of her life. Everyone in jail has a mother. It's irrelevant really if their mothers love them or not. And when it comes to the trial the judge will instruct the jury that they are not to take sympathy for the family into account. And this family has not done anything to admire that I can see, when it comes to doing right by Caylee and acting in an honorable way.

Okay I know I am kind of hard nosed but I just hate to think that Cindy and George have been able to make headway in getting the public to come round to their side. Not that it has worked with anyone on this site. I know it has not but it still worries me a bit.

MrsHudson

01-20-2009, 11:11 PM

Why didn't George? Why do they pussyfoot around her? You can BET if she were MY child I would have gone to EXTREMES to get the truth out of her. Waterboarding would have been like a mere hangnail.
I think it's because they already suspected and couldn't bear to hear it out of Casey's mouth. They chose Casey over Caylee.

The proof that they knew already was in no pleading to the "kidnappers", "nanny". No matter WHO they supposedly believed had Caylee, why no public pleading for her return?

Yes, kick her out. They should have never let her come back when Jose bonded her out. At the time I was hoping they wouldn't. They take everyone to task except for Casey. She's the "untouchable" for them.

Jammies everything you said makes perfect sense. Every single word. George and Cindy have let Casey get away with anything all of her life and now they want to let her get away with murder.

To me it's that simple.

sunbutterfly

01-20-2009, 11:13 PM

Its not LE's fault that Caylee died. LE has an investigation looking into the actions or non actions of its personnel, to determine if policies and proticol was followed in regards to the tips. If its shown that Caylee could have and should have been found sooner, then yes.. it would be their fault that Caylee wasn't found sooner.

imo

I can not understand why blamely Le is so important? Did you go on any of the searches? just wondering ? so many are quick to judge LE for not doing enough so sad It is Casey and the A's that have not done enough!! Besides being Thankful she was found is what really matters :)
JMHO and thoughts

Susie419

01-20-2009, 11:14 PM

Another re-reun on NG! I have seen this at Thanksgiving, Christmas, and again now.
************************************************** ****

I only wish she would find other ways to describe her latest news, frankly these daily "Bombshells" and "Breaking News" "Shocking Developments" are making me crazy..:lol:
I sit on the edge of my seat waiting for the Bombs to explode and find out news I've already read on here. Puhhhhlease , I love NG but don't know if I can make it to the trial watching her show:w00t:

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 11:14 PM

Just wanted to say that Geraldo makes me sick. What's he doing at the youth ball? I'm surprised that Baez is not dancing with him. IMO

Looking for a date? :shrug: I sop up any and all coverage of Caylee, besides his show. No thanks. I wish Nancy Grace was live tonight. I would like more information about the new documents that Baez is reportedly looking over per a guest on JVM's show.

We need new documents. :read:

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 11:14 PM

This shows the path of TS Fay at every 2hour.
(08/15 - 08/24)

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/at20086.asp?feature=radarthanks, Soggy!

MrsHudson

01-20-2009, 11:15 PM

The Nuns with meter sticks were scary enough for me.

Same here!! 12 years of them!

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 11:16 PM

I can not understand why blamely Le is so important? Did you go on any of the searches? just wondering ? so many are quick to judge LE for not doing enough so sad It is Casey and the A's that have not done enough!! Besides being Thankful she was found is what really matters :)
JMHO and thoughts

Amen to that. :patriot: I agree. :biggrin:

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 11:16 PM

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 11:18 PM

Well I tried as best as I could to explain it all to you ,the way I feel ,and voicing my frustration .............

BTW - whats the difference between LE ,professional searches and other people involved in pointing fingers at one another........and yes LE making excuses ( Snake scared me!!!) Dispatchers attitude to KRONK ..."yeah ,yeah get on with whatever it is you wanna tell and and make it quick! " Which is the tone I perceived from the recording ......to LP and Tim pointing finger at one another......down to Well I could make many more examples ...but you want to make an example of my post and say

" oh so it was LE fault?"

I put the fault on the professionals as it was their DUTY ~ and they did goof up ,not once ,not twice ...but numerous times .......my pointing this out does nothing but allow me to vent ....sorry you took it so personal.Again, I say... whose fault was it that no one found Caylee in the time periiod between June 15 and July 15?

floridamom

01-20-2009, 11:18 PM

Was it a figment of my imagination that I saw a link here today that showed a video of a path from the A's home to the dense woods and an animation of what someone proposed could have been the path casey used to dispose the body unseen?

I have looked at many pages .......Was it removed ? Does anyone happen to know where I may find it ? I'll keep looking ,I know I saw it but...............?

paratroll-if it helps i saw it too and it was sometime before noon EST.

BobbisAngel

01-20-2009, 11:21 PM

repectfully snipped:

Don't let this fool you. Beaz was given those pictures from someone. I think the A's realized he was getting more than they thought and they don't want that ..Anytime Conway makes a statement it has to do with people making money. Who trademarked Caylee likeness I can't remenber but I thougt it was the A's...I just think money is the root of this case and they will all be throwing each other under the bus when this is finished. JMO

Casey probably picked those pictures out when she was out on bond and gave them to Beaz so that he could sell them. Beaz probably puts so much money into her account at the jail each month from the sale of those pictures. That way she doesn't go without.

I might be wrong but I don't see George and Cindy as money grubbers.
They've sold some t-shirts, etc, but nothing that would bring in a ton of money. They may have been paying their household bills with that money but they wouldn't be the first to use donated money for household expenses. I remember when Trenton was first missing and Josh wasn't working he used donated money to pay his bills. I don't see Cindy as able to go back to work for awhile and don't know if George is working or not.

gaelicpeas

01-20-2009, 11:22 PM

shelbar53

01-20-2009, 11:24 PM

Some have said men think with the wrong organ. I think KC did that too. JMO

News to me, I didnt know casey had an organ...actually I never even seen the monkey

CelticDawn

01-20-2009, 11:25 PM

bluwaters

01-20-2009, 11:26 PM

Again, I say... whose fault was it that no one found Caylee in the time periiod between June 15 and July 15?
LE knew that Caylee was dead by July 16. They didn't have the same urgency that a missing live child requires.
Yes, LE has made some mistakes I'm sure. They aren't perfect and they have been doing their best.
They received a cold case, 31 days.

I am interested in how Officer Cain was able to write off Kronk's tip without any oversight. These guys should know that women who kill tend to keep their children's bodies close. In hind sight, this spot where Caylee was found seems so obvious.

It was still a needle in a haystack and it is fortunate that
Caylee's remains were recovered.

jammies

01-20-2009, 11:28 PM

Hear me now and hate me later but I have to point out the irony of how people can talk about a mother's love when we are following a case where a mother killed her own child. Motherhood does not always automatically = love it appears.

Although it's tragic for Casey's family, her mother's love won't and should not save Casey from going to jail for the rest of her life. Everyone in jail has a mother. It's irrelevant really if their mothers love them or not. And when it comes to the trial the judge will instruct the jury that they are not to take sympathy for the family into account. And this family has not done anything to admire that I can see, when it comes to doing right by Caylee and acting in an honorable way.

Okay I know I am kind of hard nosed but I just hate to think that Cindy and George have been able to make headway in getting the public to come round to their side. Not that it has worked with anyone on this site. I know it has not but it still worries me a bit.

I hate to think it too. If one thing comes out of this case it's that parents need to rethink their parenting skills. I know, looking back there were things I would have done differently but overall I sent the MESSAGE. The hands off, liberal "it's takes a village" junk just doesn't cut it. The overindulging, guiltly parents trying to make up for their own problems does NOT make for healthy kids.

Learn to say NO and back it up. Actions have consequences and STICK to it. Maybe this horrid situation can shine a light on the state of families in the 2000's. Hopefully there are some parents that can take a step back and realize coddling kids only begets lifelong consequences.

We can hope that Caylee's death had SOME POSTIVE affect.

tvdinners

01-20-2009, 11:29 PM

Possible.....

depends....I guess......if she would be willing to give interviews in jail (very possible IMO)

plus the willingness of friends and family to be interviewed.

As of yet I don't think anyone has given an official diagnosis, just opinion.

Probably the only reason we don't have an official diagnosis is because there hasn't been (and probably will not be) a psychological exam. However, in watching the mental health experts give tv commentary, it seems they're all in agreement that this girl has a personality disorder. That's a diagnosis that wouldn't probably require a one-on-one with her - she has all the classic signs and symptoms. imo

tvdinners

01-20-2009, 11:31 PM

Raising Casey must have been a nightmare. Who knows when, why, and how she developed into such a monster. Love her? Yeah, I'm sure her mother loves her. Like her? Probably not so much.

I seriously doubt that George even once backed Cindy when she tried to instill some discipline and/or personal responsibility in the people in her household. George doesn't know the first thing about it, apparently. He probably sided with his little Casey any time mean ole mamma issued an expectation or admonishment.

This is all just my personal observation and opinion, of course. But it sure seems to me ole George had a huge hand in creating the monster. I felt so sorry for him for so long, now I think I see him for what he really is.

Kick her out? Easy to say. Who's going to do that? Not George.. I can't see that happening. So, Cindy? Yeah, mean ole mamma would have to try to do that. I get a sense that Casey could easily become violent with Cindy - and maybe she has on occasion.

I dunno. When you have great kids, it's easy to say what you would/wouldn't do if you had a Casey to deal with. A lot easier said than done, imo.

bluwaters

01-20-2009, 11:32 PM

Probably the only reason we don't have an official diagnosis is because there hasn't been (and probably will not be) a psychological exam. However, in watching the mental health experts give tv commentary, it seems they're all in agreement that this girl has a personality disorder. That's a diagnosis that wouldn't probably require a one-on-one with her - she has all the classic signs and symptoms. imo
Judge Strickland ordered a psych exam at the first bond hearing.
The results are sealed.
I believe it was ordered to determine Casey's mental ability to stand trial.
I would love to see those results!

BobbisAngel

01-20-2009, 11:33 PM

I was thinking about this. I don't know how they can bear it. My guess is that they are not ready to leave. Maybe they can feel her there and can't let go. I don't know why, I can't imagine the sadness at that house right now. Maybe they feel if they leave the house, they are leaving her.
After my grandfather died, my nana had the sheets of the bed changed and his stuff boxed up the same day. Some said she was cruel and hearless, she said if she did not do it then, she would never be able to do it. Another relative lost her daughter in a tragic train accident, not one thing was touched in her room, for over 30 years, until she died. I do understand the circumstances are different in my examples and Caylee.
I don't think I could live there anymore, and yet I would never want to leave. I would spend every moment praying to wake up from this most horrific nightmare.
completely moo

If they don't think that Casey murdered Caylee then they wouldn't believe that the murder took place in their home or property. I think it is probably both painful and comforting to stay there as everything of Caylee's is still there. Her bedroom is just like it was decorated when she was alive...her summer toys are in the back yard...her clothes are in her closet and drawers and her toys are in her room. Her pictures are no doubt all over the house. In a way it is healing yet it is so painful when you know that they aren't coming home EVER again. I would imagine they feel close to Caylee to be in their home with her things for right now anyway. If they ever decide to move it will be when they know the time is right and they can cope with it. I'm going by my own experience but I think I am right. My granddaughter and I moved into her mother's home after her mother was murdered. We stayed there for a year and it was very healing.

aubrey04

01-20-2009, 11:34 PM

Judge Strickland ordered a psych exam at the first bond hearing.
The results are sealed.
I believe it was ordered to determine Casey's mental ability to stand trial.
I would love to see those results!

Yes, a psych evaluation was definitely done but it has not been released. It would definitely be an interesting read.

tvdinners

01-20-2009, 11:35 PM

Judge Strickland ordered a psych exam at the first bond hearing.
The results are sealed.
I believe it was ordered to determine Casey's mental ability to stand trial.
I would love to see those results!

ohhhh. I stand corrected, and a bit silly. But TY.

Yes! I'd love to see them, too!

FoxySly

01-20-2009, 11:38 PM

Not sure where I heard this, but I think I read somewhere that the defence is gonna stick with the Nanny story. They are gonna say that Casey intentionally lied b/c she received written instructions from zanny to do so. I really really really hope this is their defence. It just looks like one big lie to cover up another.

I really, really hope you are right & IMO are. That phanny script story will sink her & her demon team.

A few of us were posting about a law in Caylee's name that would make it a crime to not report a missing Child when this case broke.

Sad that there should be a need for such a law, most would think it's important to report but we keep hearing more & more about 'people' like casey.

Sly

nana6

01-20-2009, 11:38 PM

Jammies everything you said makes perfect sense. Every single word. George and Cindy have let Casey get away with anything all of her life and now they want to let her get away with murder.

To me it's that simple.

Well, as I have been saying, imo they (g and c) are lucky they are still walking this earth. I believe they may have been next as she told her friend she could move in with her soon because she was going to get the house. These people must realize this by now and yet they still back her and take everyone else to task. So very sad for Caylee.

tvdinners

01-20-2009, 11:41 PM

If they don't think that Casey murdered Caylee then they wouldn't believe that the murder took place in their home or property. I think it is probably both painful and comforting to stay there as everything of Caylee's is still there. Her bedroom is just like it was decorated when she was alive...her summer toys are in the back yard...her clothes are in her closet and drawers and her toys are in her room. Her pictures are no doubt all over the house. In a way it is healing yet it is so painful when you know that they aren't coming home EVER again. I would imagine they feel close to Caylee to be in their home with her things for right now anyway. If they ever decide to move it will be when they know the time is right and they can cope with it. I'm going by my own experience but I think I am right. My granddaughter and I moved into her mother's home after her mother was murdered. We stayed there for a year and it was very healing.

Bless your heart. And a very astute observation.

Dells

01-20-2009, 11:41 PM

ITA...some seem to forget about that 31 day headstart, and the uncooperative Anthony family LE had to deal with at the 31 day starting point. Not to mention this wasn't the only criminal case in Fl.

Very good points! I think it was truly a miracle that Caylee was found at all. I remember when they were searching for her they were talking about what a tedious process it can be at times. They were saying that searchers could only be a few feet away from a body or practically walk right over it and not even realize it. I think the fault for not finding Caylee sooner firmly falls on Casey's shoulders. She had the knowledge all along where Caylee was, and yet she let everyone waste time, money, and valuable resources searching for her. In Casey's own words, "What a waste ... a HUGE waste".:thumbdown:

Elle

01-20-2009, 11:43 PM

BobbisAngel

01-20-2009, 11:44 PM

The thing that is interesting about the video or whatever that was that shows the A home and how it backs up to the woods like that is this:

We couldn't picture the area in our heads and know just the way it looks ,yes we've seen aerial views but none that showed how the house backs right up to dense woods.

after seeing this I can not help but voice my opinion ......I don't care how deep the water was , how thick the brush was ...the 2 patches of woods on either side from other aerial photos reveal it was not that big of an area at all............

It astounds me that all the searches , by LE-Tim -LP professionals did not search that area BETTER ..I realize TIM said that searches could damage evidence cause it was too wet , but lets be realistic ,they could not take the 4 wheelers through there cause it would ruin the motors , the horses hooves were thought to push the body down if stepped on by the horses ......that water was not that deep and so why did not some searchers have waiters on to wade through the water ,they have those that come up tot he waist I have sen many fisherman wear them!!!!!

I am sorry I have little tolerance for work not well done ,when there is a task to take on I say do it and do it well and don't stop till you have upturned every stone and every nook and cranny ...I am aggravated by the ENTIRE MESS THIS WAS .........

So many different aspects of goof ups ...that body needed to be found with some flesh left on it ,that was the one way to determine cause of death!

It is pathetic to say the least ....some may say ,could you do a better job and I gotta say after SEEING these aerial views showing the house backed up right to the woods and seeing the other aerial from crime scene and it is obvious that when the others saw all this first hand ,it should have been the first area searched so well that the body would have to have been discovered ........

I do think I could have done a better job......yes I really do in that sense , WHA is the MALFUNCTION of the whole CREW involved ...

Big snakes would have kept me out of there. No way would I go somewhere where there are huge snakes.