january 19 - 22

[alterEgo©]

I have wondered about that also. Although I have even gone so far to think that what if he planned to take C out of the picture and then have Michelle's death look like a suicide so that it would appear that she OD'd C and couldn't bear the thought of it. JMOSuicide by strangulation?

[alterEgo©]

Well geeze,

Ya think that by the time she was asked about the keys she might have been a little distracted?

It's a wonder she knew where her head was.

MOOwell geeeeze, either she put them on the counter as per her usual habit or something happened to cause her to put them on the hood of Michelle's car and then she just, oh forgot what that something was.

[alterEgo©]

she probably heard the dog "freaking out" when she started to go through the garage.

plus, she knew michelle had a doctor's appt. and wondered why michelle's car was still parked there.
But then told LE she put her keys on the counter per her usual habit. Not, oh yeah the dog was freaking so I put them on the hood of her car or oh yeah, I was really freaking cuz Michelle's car was there and she was supposed to be at work so I felt the hood to see if it was warm and left my keys there instead of putting them on the counter like I normally do.

Wonder what made her see little footprints in blood all over the house.

[alterEgo©]

jason put a value on michelle's life of 1-2 million dollars (depending on what the life insurance and 401k was).

why can't linda be reimbursed for her legal fees and pain and suffering?
it is a paltry amount when you consider all that she has lost because jason murdered michelle and the 2 babies.Jason murdered 2 babies?

Do you just make stuff up as you go?

[5swab5]

well geeeeze, either she put them on the counter as per her usual habit or something happened to cause her to put them on the hood of Michelle's car and then she just, oh forgot what that something was.

But Jason can forget to pick up something off of a printer...right after he printed it, and lose a sweater that he was wearing 12 hours before and there is nothing fishy about that.

Gotcha'

MOO

Heck, Jason can even forget to put his pants back on at a party and all is hunky-dory.

[alterEgo©]

I have heard that murder was one of the leading causes of death for pregnant women. That alone is a horrible thought.
Yeah it is....right under medical issues and accidents.

I don't know which has been worse the last couple years - pregnant women being murdered by their S/O or parents killing their toddlers.:sad:

[alterEgo©]

But Jason can forget to pick up something off of a printer...right after he printed it, and lose a sweater that he was wearing 12 hours before and there is nothing fishy about that.

Gotcha'

MOO

Heck, Jason can even forget to put his pants back on at a party and all is hunky-dory.I wasn't aware he forget to get it right after he printed it. What sweater did he 'loose' - the one the police waited a year and half to look for? Did they look in the hotel room?

If it was a private party, what difference does it make what articles of clothing he forgot to put back on? Did it happen before then or since?

[Stellagant]

bookie,
show us the stats on innocent men who refused to talk to police about the murder of their pregnant wives.

How often are innocent men who refuse to talk to police arrested?

[Stellagant]

With him having been declared the Slayer, it becomes even more important to the custody issue. This is why a custody deposition would have questions involving the murder and the evidence that may have been released to the Fisher's attorneys concerning the events surrounding the murder.

OJ was declared slayer in civil court and he didn't lose custody of his kids. I don't know why you keep insisting there will be a deposition in this case. Why would a Judge prefer a deposition instead of having Jason on the witness stand?

[alterEgo©]

Oh gee, I don't know.

Jason sent her to the house to retrieve a ridiculous printout on an EBay auction that had already ended, for an Anniversary that had already passed.

She finds her pregnant sister bludgeoned to death. The dog and the child are left unharmed in the house, she is dealing with a 911 operator, first responders and LE.

I guess her keys weren't exactly top priority at the time.

MOO
Oh so the printout was for an auction he was bidding on? I was unaware that had been proven.

Yeah, well if there was something unusual in the garage that caused her to put her keys on the hood of Michelle's car, instead of their usual spot on the counter, did she just space that off? I mean she remembered to tell 911 that she is the only sister and that the dog was freaking. Oh and the detail about little bloody footprints all over the house. And asking Cassidy, who she found walking around the home, oops ixnay that gotta 'splain her clean feet - in bed, what happened. But keys? pfffft

Would you have any excuses for Jason if it was him with the key placement inconsistency?

[alterEgo©]

How often are innocent men who refuse to talk to police arrested?
Excellent question.

[5swab5]

I wasn't aware he forget to get it right after he printed it. What sweater did he 'loose' - the one the police waited a year and half to look for? Did they look in the hotel room?

If it was a private party, what difference does it make what articles of clothing he forgot to put back on? Did it happen before then or since?

(Thanks for trying to quote me, but I did not misuse "lose", you did.)

If you think that they did not look for the pullover before a year later, you are in deep denial.

Removing one's clothes at a party would make a great deal of difference to a great many people.

I have a feeling it will make a difference to the judge too. Not being able to hold your liquor is not an admirable trait, when you are trying to retain custody of a small child.

MOO

[Stellagant]

But then told LE she put her keys on the counter per her usual habit. Not, oh yeah the dog was freaking so I put them on the hood of her car or oh yeah, I was really freaking cuz Michelle's car was there and she was supposed to be at work so I felt the hood to see if it was warm and left my keys there instead of putting them on the counter like I normally do.

Wonder what made her see little footprints in blood all over the house.

She had to be psychic to "see" those footprints, imo.

I'd really like to know who picked up those keys off the hood of the car and returned them to Meredith and when that return took place. My guess is Meredith did it herself.

The only explanation for those car keys is that Meredith set them down in order to either place something into Michelle's car or remove something...such as a freaking out dog. And I bet those keys stayed right in that spot until Meredith returned to the house and picked up her car just as I bet there was no forensic examination of Michelle's car.

[5swab5]

Oh so the printout was for an auction he was bidding on? I was unaware that had been proven.

Yeah, well if there was something unusual in the garage that caused her to put her keys on the hood of Michelle's car, instead of their usual spot on the counter, did she just space that off? I mean she remembered to tell 911 that she is the only sister and that the dog was freaking. Oh and the detail about little bloody footprints all over the house. And asking Cassidy, who she found walking around the home, oops ixnay that gotta 'splain her clean feet - in bed, what happened. But keys? pfffft

Would you have any excuses for Jason if it was him with the key placement inconsistency?

Not exactly, the printout was for an auction that was already over by the time he called Meredith.

Nope, got zero excuses for Jason, his supporters make up enough for every thing that he did, does or didn't do.

MOO

[5swab5]

She had to be psychic to "see" those footprints, imo.

I'd really like to know who picked up those keys off the hood of the car and returned them to Meredith and when that return took place. My guess is Meredith did it herself.

The only explanation for those car keys is that Meredith set them down in order to either place something into Michelle's car or remove something...such as a freaking out dog. And I bet those keys stayed right in that spot until Meredith returned to the house and picked up her car just as I bet there was no forensic examination of Michelle's car.

Wrong, there are many explanations for the keys. How do you know that someone else didn't accidentally pick them up or move them?

You Don't!

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

That was Plan A, but it didn't pan out so good, as the brutal murders of Michelle and Rylan didn't just go away and Jason didn't just get to collect the Life Insurance Policy and live happily ever after.

This is Plan B. Pat Young is going to fight for Cassidy until it means handing Jason over to the authorities.

I guess we will find out who's who in the zoo then.

MOO

But, no one seems to understand that the motives for killing Michelle are getting weaker.

First, it was the insurance money.
Nahh, uncollected.

Or, he was in love with MM.
Nahh, she stayed with Steve.

Then it was to keep C.
Waiting on current custody hearing decision.

Then he didn't want to be married.
He didn't want to be married, yet, in the trolling email he writes, he specifically says he would like to have another child someday, and that C is his world.

So, if none of the above motives are true, what is it?

OJ killed Nicole=jealousy, rage
S. Peterson= didn't want to be a Dad
M. Hacking=fear of being exposed as a liar and losing Lori
R. Carruth=no baby ,no child support pymts.

So, why again, did Jason Lynn Young kill Michelle Marie Young?
Jurors are gonna want to know!!!
I wanna know!!

Kat

[alterEgo©]

(Thanks for trying to quote me, but I did not misuse "lose", you did.)

If you think that they did not look for the pullover before a year later, you are in deep denial.

Removing one's clothes at a party would make a great deal of difference to a great many people.

I have a feeling it will make a difference to the judge too. Not being able to hold your liquor is not an admirable trait, when you are trying to retain custody of a small child.

MOOHuh on the quote thingy :confused:

I'm not in denial Did you see where luggage was confiscated along with the Rx's of the Young's in the SW for Jason's SUV? I sure didn't.

It would? Well then, I guess the other party goers don't need to opine about their reactions since, clearly, only yours matters.

He can't hold his liquor? You sure about that? How many times has been unable to hold his liquor since that party? I was also unaware that one example offered 'upon belief' constituted any sort of habit.

Are you aware that anyone can file a claim against you for anything they believe to be true and say they suffered because of it and now you must pay? Did you know that?

Are you also aware that the complaint they file is an allegation that has to be proven?

[Kat4Eagles]

I have thought this, since the drugging was first mentioned. Jason didn't have to "see" Rylan, just make sure that his oxygen supply was extinguished.

I don't think he had it in him to pulverize Cassidy, but a dose out of a medicine dropper and then just walk away from all the carnage...Who Knows?

MOO

Those are some pretty heavy accusations there.

And, yet, we aren't supposed to ask any questions about the 911 call or the keys!!

Nahhh uhhhh.

Kat

[5swab5]

Huh on the quote thingy :confused:

I'm not in denial Did you see where luggage was confiscated along with the Rx's of the Young's in the SW for Jason's SUV? I sure didn't.

It would? Well then, I guess the other party goers don't need to opine about their reactions since, clearly, only yours matters.

He can't hold his liquor? You sure about that? How many times has been unable to hold his liquor since that party? I was also unaware that one example offered 'upon belief' constituted any sort of habit.

Are you aware that anyone can file a claim against you for anything they believe to be true and say they suffered because of it and now you must pay? Did you know that?

Are you also aware that the complaint they file is an allegation that has to be proven?


I'm sure that the mortified party-goers will be more than willing to cooperate.

MOO

[alterEgo©]

Not exactly, the printout was for an auction that was already over by the time he called Meredith.

Nope, got zero excuses for Jason, his supporters make up enough for every thing that he did, does or didn't do.

MOOSo big deal the auction was over by the time he got to the hotel. Since when can you only print a picture of an item up for auction if you plan on bidding on it?

According to emails quoted in one of the warrants, Meredith was siding with Jason against her only sister. What is the excuse for that? What if that was the reason why Michelle was seeing a therapist? IIRC one of the therapists' areas was family relations....

[5swab5]

But, no one seems to understand that the motives for killing Michelle are getting weaker.

First, it was the insurance money.
Nahh, uncollected.

Or, he was in love with MM.
Nahh, she stayed with Steve.

Then it was to keep C.
Waiting on current custody hearing decision.

Then he didn't want to be married.
He didn't want to be married, yet, in the trolling email he writes, he specifically says he would like to have another child someday, and that C is his world.

So, if none of the above motives are true, what is it?

OJ killed Nicole=jealousy, rage
S. Peterson= didn't want to be a Dad
M. Hacking=fear of being exposed as a liar and losing Lori
R. Carruth=no baby ,no child support pymts.

So, why again, did Jason Lynn Young kill Michelle Marie Young?
Jurors are gonna want to know!!!
I wanna know!!

Kat

Funny that you find two sentences, that you hang your whole opinion of Jason on. Guys trolling on the internet for dates LIE. Surprise!

What about "talk to my lawyer", when he didn't even have one?

OR, "the storage shed is for work", yet he had personal belongings in there?

May come as a shock to you, but murderers LIE!


MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

With him having been declared the Slayer, it becomes even more important to the custody issue. This is why a custody deposition would have questions involving the murder and the evidence that may have been released to the Fisher's attorneys concerning the events surrounding the murder.


Okay, we have pretty much conceeded on the slayer title.

It is what it is...however, the results came about, Jason has been named the slayer of Michelle.

We got that, we understand that!!

Isn't the Judge going to wonder why an indictment or arrest hasn't followed or proceeded the slayer title?

Isn't Jason's attorney going to bring up the fact that while it may be the opinion of L E and a civil court, that Jason killed Michelle, it has not been proven in a criminal court of law.

So, either the case can not be presented at this time, or the DA has it on hold.

So, lets go down the road, say 2 years.
Jason is indicted, arrested and oh, let's just say found innocent.

Does he then get C back?

Kat

[alterEgo©]

I'm sure that the mortified party-goers will be more than willing to cooperate.

MOOOh they were mortified. So much so they called the police?

[5swab5]

So big deal the auction was over by the time he got to the hotel. Since when can you only print a picture of an item up for auction if you plan on bidding on it?

According to emails quoted in one of the warrants, Meredith was siding with Jason against her only sister. What is the excuse for that? What if that was the reason why Michelle was seeing a therapist? IIRC one of the therapists' areas was family relations....

What If? What If? What if?

What if you take the road of least resistance and not try to explain away every single action of Jason..with something completely off the wall?

Look at the case in its totality. Use a little common sense.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Or pay to bury them.

Or erect Headstones.

Or attend any celebrations of their wives lives.

MOO

What if Jason were shut out of all those decisons?

What if Michelle's Mom said she wanted to take care of them instead?

What if he couldn't go to the memorials because he knew what
public opinion of him is?

What if there were people who actually tried to make him look worse than he is actually is, with stories and rumors on a Message Board that he would have to refute forever?

We don't know both sides of the story...
Kat

[alterEgo©]

Okay, we have pretty much conceeded on the slayer title.

It is what it is...however, the results came about, Jason has been named the slayer of Michelle.

We got that, we understand that!!

Isn't the Judge going to wonder why an indictment or arrest hasn't followed or proceeded the slayer title?

Isn't Jason's attorney going to bring up the fact that while it may be the opinion of L E and a civil court, that Jason killed Michelle, it has not been proven in a criminal court of law.

So, either the case can not be presented at this time, or the DA has it on hold.

So, lets go down the road, say 2 years.
Jason is indicted, arrested and oh, let's just say found innocent.

Does he then get C back?

Kat
I don't think they would bring it up because then it opens the door to examination. They 'had their chance' to show why the ruling was in error and have not done so. They will more than likely stipulate to the WD ruling that determined Jason is a slayer and march ahead showing how staying with her daddy is in Cassidy's best interest whereas awarding custody to Meredith and Linda is not in Cassidy's best interest.

If the original custody ruling is not successfully appealed and reversed, a subsequent finding of NG in a criminal court will not reverse the family court ruling. It would req Jason to take legal action to get custody.

[alterEgo©]

you can count.
1. the french broad river unborn baby who lost his life due to jason's action
2. rylan

Yes I can, apparently you can't.

1. Oh my! You must withholding valuable info in having what was ruled an ACCIDENT reopened and determined to be MURDER.

What a terrible thing to do. You should be ashamed for keeping this info from LE. ASHAMED!

2. There is no fetal homicide law in NC.

:read:

[alterEgo©]

"that something was" a sister's intuition that something is horribly wrong inside a house of death.


it's strange how you are fixated on where meredith left her keys instead of the probable cause listed in the SWs.


are you fixated with why jason called his mama 28 before michelle's body was found and then the calls stopped AFTER meredith
called 911 to report it?

why would jason do that?
Now now, it's you that is fixated on just making stuff up as you go.

Isn't that just simply amazing how Jason KNEW when Meredith called 911? He must be some kind of telepathic GENIUS to know all this stuff y'all claim he knew.

WOW no wonder they can't solve this case!

Well that and the investigators aren't half as smart as msg board posters who have the whole case figured out. Well, except for the part about Meredith's keys and her hallucinating tiny bloody footprints all over the house.

[alterEgo©]

the french broad river wreck was no accident. LE knows it. michelle's friends and family know it.


jason's son, the "fetus" was murdered on nov 3rd. is jason outraged?
did he sign the petition to get the fetal homicide bill passed in NC?
They do? Oh my, you better let them know that then cuz they seem to be totally unaware of it.

Your attempt to spin a murder where none exists by law is pretty pathetic.

And boring.

[JHP]

why yes, yes i do.

Surfside, Now that puts an interesting light on things imo.

[alterEgo©]

is it also apparent now, that JTF thought we all were referring to caroll anne when we called michelle's little sorority sister "the GA friend."

JTF thought we meant that the friend from georgia was there that night.I'm beginning to wonder if there is any mind you can't read.

Simply amazing.

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think they would bring it up because then it opens the door to examination. They 'had their chance' to show why the ruling was in error and have not done so. They will more than likely stipulate to the WD ruling that determined Jason is a slayer and march ahead showing how staying with her daddy is in Cassidy's best interest whereas awarding custody to Meredith and Linda is not in Cassidy's best interest.

If the original custody ruling is not successfully appealed and reversed, a subsequent finding of NG in a criminal court will not reverse the family court ruling. It would req Jason to take legal action to get custody.


Again, thank you !

So, all of this because L E is not ready to charge Jason with the crime of murder, but many on the Board already have!!

Got it.

Kat

[JHP]

is it also apparent now, that JTF thought we all were referring to caroll anne when we called michelle's little sorority sister "the GA friend."

JTF thought we meant that the friend from georgia was there that night.

Do you think carroll anne was also in Raleigh that night?

[Kat4Eagles]

Surfside, Do you think Lindsey might know carroll anne? She says she's from middle georgia.

Thats interesting.


Wouldn't that be something you could directly ask Lindsey herself in a PM?

Not only that, but we are not allowed to post personal info about where someone lives on the Board.

And, to infer that Lindsey knows someone in this case, not nice.

:no:

Kat

[JHP]

Wouldn't that be something you could directly ask Lindsey herself in a PM?

Not only that, but we are not allowed to post personal info about where someone lives on the Board.

And, to infer that Lindsey knows someone in this case, not nice.

:no:

Kat


Why is that not nice???

Lindsey herself has posted shes from middle GA

[Kat4Eagles]

Why is that not nice???

Lindsey herself has posted shes from middle GA


You might want to check with CW about that.

It is okay if a poster says it about themselves, but not for you to point it out.

This is a murder case and to say Lindsey knows someone involved ,just cause she lives in the same state is not right.

You might owe her an apology.

That was uncalled for.

Kat

[JHP]

You might want to check with CW about that.

It is okay if a poster says it about themselves, but not for you to point it out.

This is a murder case and to say Lindsey knows someone involved ,just cause she lives in the same state is not right.

You might owe her an apology.

That was uncalled for.

Kat

Kat, It's in her Location. Surfside brought it up. Please tell me why I owe anyone an apology?

[alterEgo©]

What If? What If? What if?

What if you take the road of least resistance and not try to explain away every single action of Jason..with something completely off the wall?

Look at the case in its totality. Use a little common sense.

MOOOh but I have.

And the case in it's totality fails to cross the threshold of suspicion. And it fails to do that in part because a vast majority of the CE can be 'splained away.

[alterEgo©]

You are wrong about the search warrant emails. That is not what was said . You are misleading readers with your statement and you've been around here long enough to know that. I can only assume you are purposely misleading readers IMOI'm not misleading anyone but thanks for your concern. :seeya:

[JHP]

Then, I owe you an apology.
I did not see the original post, because I do not read that poster.
But, please keep Lindey's name out of the case, thank you.
Kat

Thank you for your apology. I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.
I think there is just so so much we don't know about the case.

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat, It's in her Location. Surfside brought it up. Please tell me why I owe anyone an apology?


I went back and checked, and it was you who brought up Lin's location and from that you detected she may know someone in this case.

I am asking you to keep Lin's name out of it, she is simply following the case as we all are.

Thank you.
Kat

[5swab5]

Oh but I have.

And the case in it's totality fails to cross the threshold of suspicion. And it fails to do that in part because a vast majority of the CE can be 'splained away.

I honestly can't understand why some posters here are willing to bend over backwards to defend Jason, when he is unwilling to lift his little finger.

I guess he knows something you don't.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

Thank you for your apology. I just thought it was an interesting coincidence.
I think there is just so so much we don't know about the case.

Yes, there is a lot we don't know, but to try and involve innocent people because of the area they live in, is wrong.
I will let Lin know.

:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I honestly can't understand why some posters here are willing to bend over backwards to defend Jason, when he is unwilling to lift his little finger.

I guess he knows something you don't.

MOO


Oh, maybe cause there has been no arrest, no motive to kill someone who would gladly divorce you if they knew you were messing with their friend..
Maybe the timeline doesn't fit, maybe there is a reason he is so confident in his emails to Kim.

Kat

[JHP]

I went back and checked, and it was you who brought up Lin's location and from that you detected she may know someone in this case.

I am asking you to keep Lin's name out of it, she is simply following the case as we all are.

Thank you.
Kat

Maybe Lindsey should not post her location. She is also the one who brought up Michelle being on the computer looong ago.

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm not misleading anyone but thanks for your concern. :seeya:

In the s/ws, the emails between Jason and MM where he is describing having some kind of argument, debate with Michelle, he clearly states that MF had his back..

Let me go quote the exact wording.

Kat

[alterEgo©]

I honestly can't understand why some posters here are willing to bend over backwards to defend Jason, when he is unwilling to lift his little finger.

I guess he knows something you don't.

MOOSome of us are just real sticklers for IUPG and want to see something of substinance before declaring someone guilty of slaughtering their pregnant wife.

I'm not defending anyone, just putting forth arguments and looking at things from a different perspective than you. Sometimes looking at something from a different angle makes you (not not you personally, per se) see additional details or big holes.

[Barbara2]

In the s/ws, the emails between Jason and MM where he is describing having some kind of argument, debate with Michelle, he clearly states that MF had his back..

Let me go quote the exact wording.

Kat

Please do, because there is a great deal of embellishing going on, IMO.

[alterEgo©]

In the s/ws, the emails between Jason and MM where he is describing having some kind of argument, debate with Michelle, he clearly states that MF had his back..

Let me go quote the exact wording.

KatSomething about counseling with Meredith after hours of arguing with Michelle and thank God for Meredith!

No embellishment and certainly no lie!

[Barbara2]

Something about counseling with Meredith after hours of arguing with Michelle and thank God for Meredith!

No embellishment and certainly no lie!

Just because he talked to Meredith doesn't mean that she was siding with him. IMO That's the embellishment.

[alterEgo©]

Maybe Lindsey should not post her location. She is also the one who brought up Michelle being on the computer looong ago.And she has clarified that posting numerous times.

[alterEgo©]

Just because he talked to Meredith doesn't mean that she was siding with him. IMO That's the embellishment.
That would be your opinion.

Not mine.

[Kat4Eagles]

Something about counseling with Meredith after hours of arguing with Michelle and thank God for Meredith!

No embellishment and certainly no lie!



Yep.Exact words.

"after hours of "counseling" with Meredith and arguing/debating with Michelle"

MM then replies that she is glad he has MF there to support him.

So, it certainly sounds like MF took his side, although I would like to know what they were counseling/ arguing/debating about.


Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Seems like we're heading for this forum to be closed down again. Come on people, things are going to start happening soon with the custody case. Please try and restrain yourselves so that Coldwater doesn't lock us out. We're really living on borrowed time and can't honestly expect too many more chances.

[Barbara2]

Yep.Exact words.

"after hours of "counseling" with Meredith and arguing/debating with Michelle"

MM then replies that she is glad he has MF there to support him.

So, it certainly sounds like MF took his side, although I would like to know what they were counseling/ arguing/debating about.


Kat

A counselor can be supportive when a teenager is complaining about their parents but it doesn't mean that the counselor is siding with the teenager. I guess it's a misunderstanding of what counseling means. IMO

[alterEgo©]

Yep.Exact words.

"after hours of "counseling" with Meredith and arguing/debating with Michelle"

MM then replies that she is glad he has MF there to support him.

So, it certainly sounds like MF took his side, although I would like to know what they were counseling/ arguing/debating about.


KatI've always wondered that too and it was written within days of the murder.

[alterEgo©]

A counselor can be supportive when a teenager is complaining about their parents but it doesn't mean that the counselor is siding with the teenager. I guess it's a misunderstanding of what counseling means. IMO
Not on my part.

[Barbara2]

Not on my part.

Are you a certified counselor?

[Cardinal]

Yep.Exact words.

"after hours of "counseling" with Meredith and arguing/debating with Michelle"

MM then replies that she is glad he has MF there to support him.

So, it certainly sounds like MF took his side, although I would like to know what they were counseling/ arguing/debating about.


Kat

Actually, Kat, Jason's exact words were "missing you so much...got a nice beer buzz...after hours of "counseling" with meredith and debating/arguing with michelle. thank God for meredith is all I can say...that girl is so level headed and cool...once again, a "bigger" girl with a cool personality"

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/11/06/3914018/20081106190923866.pdf

It was MM's assumption that Meredith was supporting Jason. And since MM assumed that Jason was "...open and caring and loving and sharing....", I don't think much of her opinion.

I do think it's interesting that Jason refers to Meredith as level-headed and cool, however. His supporters don't seem to think much of HIS opinion.

I agree with Barbara that there's a lot of embellishment on the board today. She probably wouldn't agree with me that it's equally egregious.

O/T It was a wonderful inauguration, and I'll say goodnight. :seeya:

[alterEgo©]

Seems like we're heading for this forum to be closed down again. Come on people, things are going to start happening soon with the custody case. Please try and restrain yourselves so that Coldwater doesn't lock us out. We're really living on borrowed time and can't honestly expect too many more chances.'we'?
No, not 'we'. I was called a liar and I will defend myself against false accusations.

[alterEgo©]

Are you a certified counselor?
What, you think only a certified counselor knows the meaning of counseling?

[Barbara2]

What, you think only a certified counselor knows the meaning of counseling?

Experience certainly shapes a person's knowledge. Counselors are even known to confront their clients as part of the growth experience. That is being supportive as well. There is nothing in Jason's words that indicate that Meredith was siding with Jason over her sister. You can be an intermediary without siding with anyone, IMO.

[Leanne Weich]

'we'?
No, not 'we'. I was called a liar and I will defend myself against false accusations.

Quite clearly the "we" was a generic we as in we the posters on this forum but, if the shoe fits, wear it. I purposely did not single anyone out and, if I was so inclined, I'd have taken it to a pm. I assume we are all adults who post here, although at times that's hard to believe, but we (the generic we) are treading on thin ice, imo.

I think a lot of people are getting frustrated by the seeming standstill we are experiencing with seeing justice done for Michelle but, after 2+ years, it would be silly to get the forum closed down now, imo.

[Hey Paula]

Here is an excerpt from the email between JY and MM. It sounds like Meredith might have been playing the role of mediator to quell the debate/arguing between her sister and BIL. I think it's a role many can relate to.

"Missing you so much ... got a nice beer buzz ... after hours of 'counseling' with Meredith and debating/arguing with Michelle. Thank God for Meredith is all I can say ... that girl is so level headed and cool ... once again, a 'bigger' girl with a cool personality.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1319905.html

[alterEgo©]

Experience certainly shapes a person's knowledge. Counselors are even known to confront their clients as part of the growth experience. That is being supportive as well. There is nothing in Jason's words that indicate that Meredith was siding with Jason over her sister. You can be an intermediary without siding with anyone, IMO.Again, that would be your opinion, not mine. If you really think Meredith's counseling was to help Jason grow, then by all means have at it.

She was clearly supportive of her BIL in arguments he was having with her sister. Clearly supportive and taking sides.

Clearly a reason why someone would seek a therapist that specializes in family counseling.

Oops, there's that word again. You really think Jason meant counseling from Meredith in the same vein as the counseling Michelle got from Dr Sargent?

[alterEgo©]

Here is an excerpt from the email between JY and MM. It sounds like Meredith might have been playing the role of mediator to quell the debate/arguing between her sister and BIL. I think it's a role many can relate to.



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1319905.html
I dunno Paula. MM is thankful that Meredith was there to support him cuz him and Michelle were not a good mix. Sounds like taking sides to me.

[Barbara2]

Again, that would be your opinion, not mine. If you really think Meredith's counseling was to help Jason grow, then by all means have at it.

She was clearly supportive of her BIL in arguments he was having with her sister. Clearly supportive and taking sides.

Clearly a reason why someone would seek a therapist that specializes in family counseling.

Oops, there's that word again. You really think Jason meant counseling from Meredith in the same vein as the counseling Michelle got from Dr Sargent?

If someone comes to me with marital problems, I might "counsel" them to go back and talk to their spouse. I could even tell them that I thought they were in the wrong and making a big deal out of nothing. I may be VERY supportive while disagreeing with the person that I'm counseling.

Nothing in the emails indicates that Meredith was siding with Jason over her sister.

[Kat4Eagles]

Here is an excerpt from the email between JY and MM. It sounds like Meredith might have been playing the role of mediator to quell the debate/arguing between her sister and BIL. I think it's a role many can relate to.



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1319905.html


This was already posted by Cardinal.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Quite clearly the "we" was a generic we as in we the posters on this forum but, if the shoe fits, wear it. I purposely did not single anyone out and, if I was so inclined, I'd have taken it to a pm. I assume we are all adults who post here, although at times that's hard to believe, but we (the generic we) are treading on thin ice, imo.

I think a lot of people are getting frustrated by the seeming standstill we are experiencing with seeing justice done for Michelle but, after 2+ years, it would be silly to get the forum closed down now, imo.


I think that part of the problem is posters who post on different Boards without any rules or moderation and can just post without back~up of what they say.

We clearly have rules, and Tos guidelines here, and when a link is asked for, it should be provided, and not told to go look it up for ourselves.

That is not how it works.

Today, we learned Jason is working in construction, I have yet to see a link.

The other day, we were told the Fishers saw C over the weekend, again, no link.

:(

Kat

[alterEgo©]

Quite clearly the "we" was a generic we as in we the posters on this forum but, if the shoe fits, wear it. I purposely did not single anyone out and, if I was so inclined, I'd have taken it to a pm. I assume we are all adults who post here, although at times that's hard to believe, but we (the generic we) are treading on thin ice, imo.

I think a lot of people are getting frustrated by the seeming standstill we are experiencing with seeing justice done for Michelle but, after 2+ years, it would be silly to get the forum closed down now, imo.Obviously it wasn't 'quite clear' as I have done nothing to contribute to any demise of the forum by jumping in from nowhere and calling someone a liar. So not only am I not part of the 'we', altho I am a poster on this board, the shoe does not fit. Nuff said.

I have a bad feeling that this custody suit is going to get real ugly. For Cassidy's sake, I hope it does not but mud as been lobbed into Jason's corner and based on the pleadings in the Cooper case, mud may very well be lobbed back. I was hoping the COV motion would be put up, but I haven't seen anything.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

'Suspects' is a much better word. And something the evidence in this case must rise above before the DA will seek an indictment.

Not sure what a tax atty has to do with a criminal defense atty. I was under the impression that tax attys are req'd to disclose illegal activity they are aware their client is involved to to the proper authorities or be charged as an accomplice.

A criminal defense atty must represent their client to the best of their ability - whether they know by some sort of telepathic osmosis that their client is guilty or not.

It was because the attorney could not knowingly allow his client to commit perjury. Therefore he had an assistant perform a pre-interview.

He wasn’t a tax attorney. He was definitely a criminal attorney. (Long story)

[alterEgo©]

If someone comes to me with marital problems, I might "counsel" them to go back and talk to their spouse. I could even tell them that I thought they were in the wrong and making a big deal out of nothing. I may be VERY supportive while disagreeing with the person that I'm counseling.

Nothing in the emails indicates that Meredith was siding with Jason over her sister.
Well that's fine and dandy for you. But we aren't talking about you, We are talking Meredith and Jason's interpretation of what she was doing as he argued/debated with her sister. And it's MM's response wherein she is happy for the support offered for Jason's sake that shores up my contention that Meredith indeed is taking sides.

On the contrary, plenty indicates that Meredith sided not with her only sister, but with her BIL as the two fought.

No embellishing and certainly no lying on my part. It's there as plain as day. If you don't want to see it, it's no skin off my back.

[Barbara2]

Well that's fine and dandy for you. But we aren't talking about you, We are talking Meredith and Jason's interpretation of what she was doing as he argued/debated with her sister. And it's MM's response wherein she is happy for the support offered for Jason's sake that shores up my contention that Meredith indeed is taking sides.

On the contrary, plenty indicates that Meredith sided not with her only sister, but with her BIL as the two fought.

No embellishing and certainly no lying on my part. It's there as plain as day. If you don't want to see it, it's no skin off my back.

There is nothing in the words of Jason to MM that indicates that Meredith was siding with him against her sister. That is something that you are reading into it but it doesn't indicate that. It may be or it may not be. For you to conclude that she was siding with Jason is reading more into it than is there in black and white. IMO

[Tia]

Here is an excerpt from the email between JY and MM. It sounds like Meredith might have been playing the role of mediator to quell the debate/arguing between her sister and BIL. I think it's a role many can relate to.



http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/michelle_young/story/1319905.html

Hi Paula!

The reality is, we are reading what Jason wrote to a woman he was cheating on his wife with, who knows what to think or believe!

[Barbara2]

Hi Paula!

The reality is, we are reading what Jason wrote to a woman he was cheating on his wife with, who knows what to think or believe!

The fact that he refers to Meredith as "cool and level headed" gives the impression that she was trying to reason with him.

[Leanne Weich]

Obviously it wasn't 'quite clear' as I have done nothing to contribute to any demise of the forum by jumping in from nowhere and calling someone a liar. So not only am I not part of the 'we', altho I am a poster on this board, the shoe does not fit. Nuff said.

I have a bad feeling that this custody suit is going to get real ugly. For Cassidy's sake, I hope it does not but mud as been lobbed into Jason's corner and based on the pleadings in the Cooper case, mud may very well be lobbed back. I was hoping the COV motion would be put up, but I haven't seen anything.

Quite frankly AE, I wasn't even thinking of you in connection with my post so I'm sorry you got that impression. I just think personal arguments between people should be taken to pms and if anyone has a problem with something posted, try to sort it out without running to CW who has indicated on numerous occasions that she's just about run out of patience with us (the generic us).

I agree with you that this is likely to get very ugly. Let's face it, by its very nature, a custody application is going to be adversarial, irrespective of who is attempting to remove custody from a biological parent. Unfortunately, at the end of the day, I think Cassidy is going to be the biggest loser in the short term. I'm just sorry that the Youngs and Fishers couldn't come to some arrangement before it came to this. I must be honest, I would also have done just what Linda has had I been in the position she's in. Let's face it, she probably knows a lot more about what evidence they have in this case than we do. I know I had a misunderstanding with my daughter about a year ago and although I don't live in the same country as her, the couple of weeks we weren't talking nearly killed me not talking to my grandkids every day. Fortunately we sorted it out amicably and I now do talk to them everyday again.

I don't know why the COV motion hasn't been put up so maybe I'll write to Amanda Lamb again and ask her if she can get it. In fact, if a few of us write to her, maybe she'll oblige.

[Hey Paula]

Hi Paula!

The reality is, we are reading what Jason wrote to a woman he was cheating on his wife with, who knows what to think or believe!

Hi Tia!

I was thinking along similar lines and even wondering/questioning whether or not this debate/argument actually took place. Cheaters want their lovers to believe they are misunderstood, and to "justify" their affair, in this case even more so because Michelle and MM were sorority sisters.

IMO

[Leanne Weich]

I think that part of the problem is posters who post on different Boards without any rules or moderation and can just post without back~up of what they say.

We clearly have rules, and Tos guidelines here, and when a link is asked for, it should be provided, and not told to go look it up for ourselves.

That is not how it works.

Today, we learned Jason is working in construction, I have yet to see a link.

The other day, we were told the Fishers saw C over the weekend, again, no link.

:(

Kat

Kat, even on boards where there is little or no moderation, there is none of the ugliness that goes on here when people have opposing views.

If someone who lives in Brevard tells of a visitation because it is common knowledge around town, for example, how does one provide a link. The only thing you can go on in those cases is how each individual evaluates or has evaluated the poster based on previous information he/she has provided.

As for when people ask for links, I've seen it happen from both sides here. A JDI will ask and ask and no link will be forthcoming and vice versa.

Instead of making a big deal out of things we cannot supply a link for, the choice is yours to believe or not believe hearsay, imo.

I truly just do not want this forum closed down and I do think with a bit of give and take on everyone's part, this could be sorted out without that being necessary. It is not necessary to run to CW when someone does something which you deem to be outside the TOS because I know you have been kind enough to pm me to edit a post when it could have got me sent to banned camp or timed out, for which i was very appreciative.

[Leanne Weich]

Hi Tia!

I was thinking along similar lines and even wondering/questioning whether or not this debate/argument actually took place. Cheaters want their lovers to believe they are misunderstood, and to "justify" their affair, in this case even more so because Michelle and MM were sorority sisters.

IMO

ITA. I find it difficult to believe that people would not understand that a cheater not only lies to his wife but to his mistress as well. A cheater couldn't very well be honest with his other woman about his home life and expect to get his ego (amongst other things) stroked. Oh boy, maybe that comment will get me banished but it is a fact.

[Leanne Weich]

Yes, I think we all appreciate Kat keeping us under the watch of that little wagging finger and her tireless work for this board.

This is, imo, totally uncalled for. What is the point in attempting to perpetuate the problem.

[kingbuff]

Well, heck. Who/What are these people afraid of?

Somebody named Campbell (doesn't post here)....Somebody posting as B/S (pretending to be from Brevard)....Numerous girls. They say I am "some sort of friend of the Youngs" (whatever that means). They say I will hurt Jason in a "civil arena" (whatever that means). Then they threaten me with attorneys and prosecutors and the police....and a jury, for God's sake.

These people strongly suggest I should never post again because I have revealed so many intimate details about Jason and his family and how this is so hurtful to Jason's case. Everything these people post is an attempt to hurt Jason and his family while everything I post I do so without considering whether or not the information is helpful or harmful to this innocent man because I am only concerned with the truthfulness of the information and not how someone else can twist or distort it. Twist away. Distort away.

Well, heck. Who/What are these people afraid of?

--Kingbuff

[Stellagant]

Yep.Exact words.

"after hours of "counseling" with Meredith and arguing/debating with Michelle"

MM then replies that she is glad he has MF there to support him.

So, it certainly sounds like MF took his side, although I would like to know what they were counseling/ arguing/debating about.


Kat

There were at least four people who know what issue they were arguing and three of the four are still alive. I believe they were arguing about Linda Fisher's impending move to Raleigh. JMO

[Stellagant]

Well, heck. Who/What are these people afraid of?

Somebody named Campbell (doesn't post here)....Somebody posting as B/S (pretending to be from Brevard)....Numerous girls. They say I am "some sort of friend of the Youngs" (whatever that means). They say I will hurt Jason in a "civil arena" (whatever that means). Then they threaten me with attorneys and prosecutors and the police....and a jury, for God's sake.

These people strongly suggest I should never post again because I have revealed so many intimate details about Jason and his family and how this is so hurtful to Jason's case. Everything these people post is an attempt to hurt Jason and his family while everything I post I do so without considering whether or not the information is helpful or harmful to this innocent man because I am only concerned with the truthfulness of the information and not how someone else can twist or distort it. Twist away. Distort away.

Well, heck. Who/What are these people afraid of?

--Kingbuff

They know the truth will confirm about themselves what many of us concluded long ago and placed them on ignore.

[Kat4Eagles]

<snipped>
Let's face it, she probably knows a lot more about what evidence they have in this case than we do.

So, if there is really a lot more evidence than what we know about, what is the reasoning for no arrest?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There were at least four people who know what issue they were arguing and three of the four are still alive. I believe they were arguing about Linda Fisher's impending move to Raleigh. JMO


Wouldn't that be something?

Kat

[kingbuff]

They know the truth will confirm about themselves what many of us concluded long ago and placed them on ignore.

Good advice. I'll add two more to my list when somebody comes back with more silliness. Sure speeds up my reading and helps me avoid the poof button.

[Stellagant]

ITA. I find it difficult to believe that people would not understand that a cheater not only lies to his wife but to his mistress as well. A cheater couldn't very well be honest with his other woman about his home life and expect to get his ego (amongst other things) stroked. Oh boy, maybe that comment will get me banished but it is a fact.

I understand cheaters lie. What I don't understand is your double standard. Linda Fisher cheated on her husband, according to his Suffolk County NY divorce filing. Now, Fisher insists she's a better parent than Jason and demands HE is the one who needs a psych evaluation. Methinks the ego that has been stroked isn't Jason's, it is Fisher's. JMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Good advice. I'll add two more to my list when somebody comes back with more silliness. Sure speeds up my reading and helps me avoid the poof button.


Evening KB:

I hope it is okay to ask you, to the best of your knowledge , do you know if Jason is wearing a hard hat these days, and did the Fishers see C over the weekend with his consent?

Thank you.
Kat

[Stellagant]

Wouldn't that be something?

Kat

Would certainly cramp Meredith's style, wouldn't it? I heard Linda Fisher stayed with the Youngs on her frequent visits and not in her own house, 15 minutes away. The Young's guest room was about to become a child's bedroom. What then? How many 26-year-olds want Mom to move in and be a roomie?

[Tia]

Would certainly cramp Meredith's style, wouldn't it? I heard Linda Fisher stayed with the Youngs on her frequent visits and not in her own house, 15 minutes away. The Young's guest room was about to become a child's bedroom. What then? How many 26-year-olds want Mom to move in and be a roomie?


Isn't this exactly what Kat was talking about? Posting info with no links to back it up?

Just askin'

[Kat4Eagles]

Would certainly cramp Meredith's style, wouldn't it? I heard Linda Fisher stayed with the Youngs on her frequent visits and not in her own house, 15 minutes away. The Young's guest room was about to become a child's bedroom. What then? How many 26-year-olds want Mom to move in and be a roomie?

You know, I just thought of something with the new nursery coming into play, and Jason supposedly bringing home baby furniture that weekend.

It makes sense because Michelle was so organized that she would want everything planned way ahead.

Maybe C was getting another room, and the baby's room was to be the one closer to Michelle and Jason and everything was being moved around, and they were in transition of some kind.

They could have been cleaning out closets and making more space, or changing rooms..

And, I read they were supposedly having company that weekend, not sure if that is a fact though.

Or, it is even possible C slept with Michelle and Jason a lot.

I still can't pic either Michelle or Jason leaving medicines out like that though on a open shelf.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Would certainly cramp Meredith's style, wouldn't it? I heard Linda Fisher stayed with the Youngs on her frequent visits and not in her own house, 15 minutes away. The Young's guest room was about to become a child's bedroom. What then? How many 26-year-olds want Mom to move in and be a roomie?


But, should they get C, that's the way it will be.

Kat

[Doorbell]

I understand cheaters lie. What I don't understand is your double standard. Linda Fisher cheated on her husband, according to his Suffolk County NY divorce filing. Now, Fisher insists she's a better parent than Jason and demands HE is the one who needs a psych evaluation. Methinks the ego that has been stroked isn't Jason's, it is Fisher's. JMO.

The difference is that Linda Fisher has not been declared the slayer of her spouse in civil court. Whether or not Linda cheated (and I have seen no link to prove that) has nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

[Kat4Eagles]

The difference is that Linda Fisher has not been declared the slayer of her spouse in civil court. Whether or not Linda cheated (and I have seen no link to prove that) has nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

I think it was in context with the custody hearing, that's pretty much the main topic here these days..
:)

Kat

[Tia]

I think it was in context with the custody hearing, that's pretty much the main topic here these days..
:)

Kat


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[Doorbell]

The difference is that Linda Fisher has not been declared the slayer of her spouse in civil court. Whether or not Linda cheated (and I have seen no link to prove that) has nothing to do with Michelle's murder.

Oops. My bad. Here I thought we were discussing a murder investigation. I shall try to keep up.:read:

[alterEgo©]

The difference is that Linda Fisher has not been declared the slayer of her spouse in civil court. Whether or not Linda cheated (and I have seen no link to prove that) has nothing to do with Michelle's murder.Yeah, well, what about the custody suit.

[achristie]

Would certainly cramp Meredith's style, wouldn't it? I heard Linda Fisher stayed with the Youngs on her frequent visits and not in her own house, 15 minutes away. The Young's guest room was about to become a child's bedroom. What then? How many 26-year-olds want Mom to move in and be a roomie?

How many 30 something men choose to move back home with mommy and are unemployed with a child?

MOO Aggie

[alterEgo©]

How many 30 something men choose to move back home with mommy and are unemployed with a child?

MOO AggieMommy? Is your mother housing Jason and Cassidy?

Not uncommon this day and age, what with the economy shedding 2 million jobs in 2 months. Older parents are moving in with their grown kids. Grown kids with kids of their own moving back to their parent's home....

[Leanne Weich]

I understand cheaters lie. What I don't understand is your double standard. Linda Fisher cheated on her husband, according to his Suffolk County NY divorce filing. Now, Fisher insists she's a better parent than Jason and demands HE is the one who needs a psych evaluation. Methinks the ego that has been stroked isn't Jason's, it is Fisher's. JMO.

I've never seen proof that Linda cheated and, if she did, at least she didn't murder her husband. I don't know the statistics of people in the USA who cheat but I do know being really surprised when I read about it in the not so distant past. I reckon the number of cheaters who resort to murder, however, is probably minimal although even one is one too many. Unfortunately, most women who are murdered by their spouse or significant other seem to be married to men who cheat. If I believed my s-i-l murdered my daughter, I'd also take whatever opportunity I could to try to get him to have a psych. evaluation just as I would apply for custody of my grandchildren so I guess I'm never going to see your way of thinking about this or, it appears, any other aspect of this case.

[Leanne Weich]

So, if there is really a lot more evidence than what we know about, what is the reasoning for no arrest?

Kat

I have no idea why there hasn't been an arrest as yet but, quite clearly, there is evidence we are unaware of. Det. Spivey clearly stated so in his affidavit for the WDS and I have no reason to believe he deliberately lied or mislead the court.

[Leanne Weich]

Yesterday post 194 JY had a job. It was even hinted that his emplorer might not be paying taxes. Today he has no job. Which is it ? Does he have a job or not? Maybe the truth be told none of you know so you are just posting for the fun of posting. IMO

We heard via a brevardian that one of Jason's friends in construction occasionally gives him some work. The impression I got was that he is not permanently employed by this person but, then again, who even knows if that is true.

[Leanne Weich]

Hi Kat
Then there are the sneaky ones that post real peoples names and leave them up just long enough for the forum to see but delete the post before the mod comes around. I.ve seen that happen more than once.

You're right there. In fact, I was guilty of that last week I think it was and Kat kindly pmed me in time to edit my post. I must say, however, that the person whose name I used did in fact reveal his own identity on this board right at the beginning of this matter. That may well have been before Kat was here though. He has, however, changed nics about 6 times, give or take a couple since then so technically, I was still outing him.

[achristie]

Mommy? Is your mother housing Jason and Cassidy?

Not uncommon this day and age, what with the economy shedding 2 million jobs in 2 months. Older parents are moving in with their grown kids. Grown kids with kids of their own moving back to their parent's home....

I responded to Stellagant's post about LF and MF and you know it.
No need to be rude.

[Leanne Weich]

Thats where I am at a loss. How do you know by a nic that it is still the same person? I have been accused over and over of being someone that I'm not. Where does the information come from? I guess I am just not as computer savvy as you guys are or I don't own the right software to make the scoops.

One can change their name and try to change one's style of writing but, inevitably, someone using a new nic. gives themselves away very quickly.

[achristie]

Yesterday post 194 JY had a job. It was even hinted that his emplorer might not be paying taxes. Today he has no job. Which is it ? Does he have a job or not? Maybe the truth be told none of you know so you are just posting for the fun of posting. IMO

Make no mistake. I don't post for the fun of it. This is a sad and tragic situation.

MOO Aggie

[Leanne Weich]

I wrote to Amanda Lamb this a.m. and just got a response.

http://www.wral.com/golo/page/1896337/?id=4329772&d_full_comments=1&d_comments_page=2#comments_block

Sorry, but I don't know how to shorten the link.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Can someone please provide a link concerning LF cheating. I keep hearing it repeated but I haven't seen a link. Thanks:confused:

[Tia]

<snipped>

We clearly have rules, and Tos guidelines here, and when a link is asked for, it should be provided, and not told to go look it up for ourselves.

That is not how it works.

Today, we learned Jason is working in construction, I have yet to see a link.

The other day, we were told the Fishers saw C over the weekend, again, no link.

:(

Kat

Based on the TOS, Stellagant is to provide a link, right Kat?

She has been asked numerous times to provide one.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

If I remember correctly her divorce docs were posted at one time. Her husband sued her on grounds of adultry. I think she settled out of court. If I remember correctly the year was 1986. All those old posts went poof a long time ago. I would imagine her divorce is still available maybe in micro film in NY. MOO

OK, thanks.

[Kat4Eagles]

I wrote to Amanda Lamb this a.m. and just got a response.

http://www.wral.com/golo/page/1896337/?id=4329772&d_full_comments=1&d_comments_page=2#comments_block

Sorry, but I don't know how to shorten the link.


Leanne, thank you for this, but I am not sure I understand it.

Is Amanda's response to you the comments made under the article by posters or did you get a separate reply from her on the case?
Kat

[alterEgo©]

Kat---click on 'return to story' and the docs are linked within the story

[Kat4Eagles]

JY's motion to dismiss



http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/01/21/4367675/Jan._14,_2009,_motion_to_dismiss_or_remove_for_imp roper_venue.pdf


Thank you, Confused!!

Now, I don't understand what the good cause means that granted Jason the extension order.

Anyone?

But, I am glad he took these actions.!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Based on the TOS, Stellagant is to provide a link, right Kat?

She has been asked numerous times to provide one.



Yep, if there is a link, it should be provided,

I have a feeling someone will dig it up.

If there is one, do you want it posted here or accessed only through a PM?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat---click on 'return to story' and the docs are linked within the story


Okay, the docs with motion to dismiss and change of venue!!

Thank you.!!

Stick around, legal eagle friend, I am sure there will be questions.

Kat

[alterEgo©]

JY's motion to dismiss



http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2009/01/21/4367675/Jan._14,_2009,_motion_to_dismiss_or_remove_for_imp roper_venue.pdf
The statue I put up regarding current residence of the child is cited as applicable statute but Card already showed that that statute is for divorces. hmmmm

Nonetheless, the (IMO) compelling argument will be convience of forum as I have stated before and as put forth in the motion.

I also noted that that the extension was granted by the CoC, not a judge, and did not include any order for a weekend visit as a condition of the extension.

And the request for an extension was filed on the 14th, not at 'the last hour' as implied in some posts.

Hat tip to Leann for getting in touch with Amanda Lamb to get the docs posted :patriot:

[alterEgo©]

Okay, the docs with motion to dismiss and change of venue!!

Thank you.!!

Stick around, legal eagle friend, I am sure there will be questions.

Kat
It's motion to dismiss with an alternative to change the venue and the extention order.

Not a legal eagle, that would be Frank Drackman who seems to have disappeared again. :sad:

[alterEgo©]

Thank you, Confused!!

Now, I don't understand what the good cause means that granted Jason the extension order.

Anyone?

But, I am glad he took these actions.!

Kat
He asked before the time expired and that, in and of itself, is 'good cause'.

[Tia]

Yep, if there is a link, it should be provided,

I have a feeling someone will dig it up.

If there is one, do you want it posted here or accessed only through a PM?

Kat

I don't think that is up to you, its up to the original poster, agree?

I would imagine, since a couple of people have asked for it, it should be posted on the board.

I am just making sure that the TOS are being abided by on BOTH sides.

[Kat4Eagles]

He asked before the time expired and that, in and of itself, is 'good cause'.


Okay, I understand. Thank you.

I think it was you and Lindsey who thought the custody case should be tried in Brevard too.

So, what happens now?

The Fishers have to respond, through their attorney, right?

Can they(The Fishers) try to refuse to the cov?

I think the motion to dismiss is only because Jason, through his attorney, feels it was not filed in the right county, is that right?

They are not asking for the entire custody case to be dismissed, are they?

Can they?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

The statue I put up regarding current residence of the child is cited as applicable statute but Card already showed that that statute is for divorces. hmmmm

Nonetheless, the (IMO) compelling argument will be convience of forum as I have stated before and as put forth in the motion.

I also noted that that the extension was granted by the CoC, not a judge, and did not include any order for a weekend visit as a condition of the extension.

And the request for an extension was filed on the 14th, not at 'the last hour' as implied in some posts.

Hat tip to Leann for getting in touch with Amanda Lamb to get the docs posted :patriot:


Yes, thank you, Leanne.

So, now we still don't know for sure if there was any "visit".

If Jason were employed in Brevard, as rumored, would that help him in assisting the change of venue, as that would be a hardship to leave his employment.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think that is up to you, its up to the original poster, agree?

I would imagine, since a couple of people have asked for it, it should be posted on the board.

I am just making sure that the TOS are being abided by on BOTH sides.


I agree with the TOS being from both sides.

Just not sure if reasons for someone's divorce should be linked here.


Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Just making sure that I have this right....

The message to Amanda Lamb and her answer where about making the custody doc's available on the WRAL website. Correct?

[Kat4Eagles]

Just making sure that I have this right....

The message to Amanda Lamb and her answer where about making the custody doc's available on the WRAL website. Correct?


Yes, I believe so.
I know Leanne said she was going to contact Amanda, and this appears to be the result.
I was a little confused too, but, that's nothing new for me.

Anyway , thank you again, Leanne, its nice to know there is stuff going on, we don't know about!!
I believe KB hinted at this also.
:)
Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Yes, I believe so.
I know Leanne said she was going to contact Amanda, and this appears to be the result.
I was a little confused too, but, that's nothing new for me.

Anyway , thank you again, Leanne, its nice to know there is stuff going on, we don't know about!!
I believe KB hinted at this also.
:)
Kat

Thanks for the update and the link to the doc's.

[Kat4Eagles]

Thanks for the update and the link to the doc's.


I am trying to put the docs in the links thread, but failed.

Can someone do it, please?
tia

Kat

[BiggerRedDog]

I am trying to put the docs in the links thread, but failed.
Can someone do it, please?
tia
Kat
Done.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12683963#post12683963

[Kat4Eagles]

Done.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12683963#post12683963


Thank you so much, BRD.

I am bad at linking, good excuse, huh? :wink:

Sure is quiet today!!

Kat

[alterEgo©]

I don't think that is up to you, its up to the original poster, agree?

I would imagine, since a couple of people have asked for it, it should be posted on the board.

I am just making sure that the TOS are being abided by on BOTH sides.
ITA.

And I sure would love to see a credible link about the weekend visit Cassidy had with Meredith and Linda and Jason working construction.

[alterEgo©]

Kat---
the way I understand it.....

Linda will have an opportunity to put in her 2¢ and present the court with statutes and/or case law to support any objection to any argument made by Jason in his pleading.

From what I have seen, case law is on the side of the defense for a COV as it relates to convience of witnesses. Not to mention the fact that the witnesses for the defense will testify to occurrances in the past 2 years, which should have more weight and bearing than character issues against Jason from over 2 years ago.

So, if Linda responds, the judge will apply applicable law as presented in the parties moving papers and make a ruling. The side that does not get the ruling in their favor then has the option to appeal the decision.

By then Jason's response to the complaint will be due if the case is not dismissed.

Then the fur may begin to fly.

ETA: if dismissed on basis of venue, Linda can refile in Trans. County.

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat---
the way I understand it.....

Linda will have an opportunity to put in her 2¢ and present the court with statutes and/or case law to support any objection to any argument made by Jason in his pleading.

From what I have seen, case law is on the side of the defense for a COV as it relates to convience of witnesses. Not to mention the fact that the witnesses for the defense will testify to occurrances in the past 2 years, which should have more weight and bearing than character issues against Jason from over 2 years ago.

So, if Linda responds, the judge will apply applicable law as presented in the parties moving papers and make a ruling. The side that does not get the ruling in their favor then has the option to appeal the decision.

By then Jason's response to the complaint will be due if the case is not dismissed.

Then the fur may begin to fly.

ETA: if dismissed on basis of venue, Linda can refile in Trans. County.

Okay, thanks, Alter.
Sounds like it could get quite costly and time consuming.

I know most people think Jason should have been charitable with visits between C and his inlaws, but not if there was a chance that their feelings about him murdering Michelle became known, or something bad was said about him, even by accident.

This is a very, very tough decision, one unprecedented by being named a slayer before an arrest.

I hope that Jason is able to move the hearing to Brevard, as you mentioned, it is more important what kind of father and person Jason has become since raising C alone..

I was glad to learn of C's dancing activities, and that she has a psychologist.

If the only thing against him, is putting some photos of himself and his daughter on line, in hopes of "trolling" a live one, good luck.

He didn't portray himself as single and looking, but as a package deal.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Wow, Leanne, the next time we want to see somthing reported, we know who the go-to person is! Great work, and thank you.

Stubbs' motion is very thorough. At this point, I have no idea what will happen.

[Cardinal]

ITA.

And I sure would love to see a credible link about the weekend visit Cassidy had with Meredith and Linda and Jason working construction.

That would be nice, AE. But I've learned to draw inferences what from ISN'T said, as much as from what IS said. And the fact that KB keeps dodging Kat's direct questions on the matter is telling, IMO.

[Leanne Weich]

Leanne, thank you for this, but I am not sure I understand it.

Is Amanda's response to you the comments made under the article by posters or did you get a separate reply from her on the case?
Kat

No Kat. I'm sorry but I went straight to the article after reading her response and, without thinking, copied the url to paste here when I'd finished reading the comments instead of from the email I received. Sorry about that. I had only had 2 hours sleep in 48 so wasn't at my best then but I see confused has corrected the situation. Thanks confused.

[Kat4Eagles]

No Kat. I'm sorry but I went straight to the article after reading her response and, without thinking, copied the url to paste here when I'd finished reading the comments instead of from the email I received. Sorry about that. I had only had 2 hours sleep in 48 so wasn't at my best then but I see confused has corrected the situation. Thanks confused.

That's okay, we appreciate it.

Was her response to you, if you can say, just a link to the docs?

I notice there are not any stories on WRAL about this at all.

Thank you and get some sleep!

Kat

[alterEgo©]

Stubbs' motion is very thorough. At this point, I have no idea what will happen.I dunno Card, she cited the wrong statutes to claim improper venue. As you pointed out, Linda filed under a statute that allows a case to be brought to any county in the State not the divorce statue (the one Jason cited) that states the county the minor child resides in is proper venue.

Nonetheless, I don't think that will overcome convience of forum to get a COV reassignment or dismissal.

[Leanne Weich]

Kat it was just a link. If you go to www.wral.com and put Jason Young into the search bar, you'll get Wral's story on this. From that, it appears the hearing on the 4th will go ahead. My guess is that at that hearing Judge Sasser will determine if a COV will be granted or the case dismissed.

[tiny paw-prints]

Done.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12683963#post12683963

Thanks for the above posting of link, BRD!

Good to "see" you! :thumbsup:

[Cardinal]

I dunno Card, she cited the wrong statutes to claim improper venue. As you pointed out, Linda filed under a statute that allows a case to be brought to any county in the State not the divorce statue (the one Jason cited) that states the county the minor child resides in is proper venue.

Nonetheless, I don't think that will overcome convience of forum to get a COV reassignment or dismissal.

I dunno either, AE. You know much more about this part of things than I do. I think Stubbs pulled in everything that might work in her motion, and who's to say what will happen.

I just hope that whatever happens, it's best for Cassidy. I will never stop hoping for justice for Michelle, but I truly believe, at this point, her only concern would be what's best for Cassidy, too.

Have a good evening. :seeya:

[Barbara2]

I went looking Kat but in NY it costs to get a copy. I guess who ever posted them here before paid for them or they were given a copy by someone. Maybe there is a cheaper site but the one I found wanted 29.00+ I certainly am not going to pay for them. I am sure they will turn up because some of the insiders that post here probably have them. Again I wish we had those old post and posters. Oh I forgot to add it might be against TOS to put them up here anyway. Maybe thats why they disappeared before.

It may well have been posted at some other site but I certainly don't remember anything like that posted here. If as you say the dispute was settled by arbitration, you can't be sure that the claims made in the divorce papers were even true and accurate. IMO

[Barbara2]

I never said they were.

My apologies. I thought you said they were posted here.

[tiny paw-prints]

My apologies. I thought you said they were posted here.

Hi Barb! My head hurts from the "confusion"!

I'll check back in next week.
Hopefully, there will be some new news.

[Barbara2]

They were here about 2 years ago . I never said they were true. LF and whoever would probably be the only ones that would know if they were true. Remember MM is the whoever in JY's life.

I'm not sure what MM has to do with the divorce of Linda and Alan unless you are trying to infer that men cheat. :shrug:

[Leanne Weich]

I went looking Kat but in NY it costs to get a copy. I guess who ever posted them here before paid for them or they were given a copy by someone. Maybe there is a cheaper site but the one I found wanted 29.00+ I certainly am not going to pay for them. I am sure they will turn up because some of the insiders that post here probably have them. Again I wish we had those old post and posters. Oh I forgot to add it might be against TOS to put them up here anyway. Maybe thats why they disappeared before.

If they are public records, why would that be against the TOS?

[Stellagant]

If they are public records, why would that be against the TOS?

They aren't free, which is why there is no link.

[Leanne Weich]

They aren't free, which is why there is no link.

Are public records always free?

[Stellagant]

Okay, I understand. Thank you.

I think it was you and Lindsey who thought the custody case should be tried in Brevard too.

So, what happens now?

The Fishers have to respond, through their attorney, right?

Can they(The Fishers) try to refuse to the cov?

I think the motion to dismiss is only because Jason, through his attorney, feels it was not filed in the right county, is that right?

They are not asking for the entire custody case to be dismissed, are they?

Can they?

Kat

Yes, they are asking for the entire case to be dismissed because of improper venue.

If the Judge doesn't dismiss it, Stubb's asks that she transfer it to the proper venue.

[Stellagant]

Are public records always free?

No.........

[Leanne Weich]

No.........

Well then if anyone wants to pay for them, there is no reason why posting a link would be against the TOS. I was just trying to find out why Kat felt it might be against the TOS to post a link if anyone has them. If I felt that Linda's divorce had any bearing on this case, I'd pay for them but something that happened more than a decade ago surely can't have relevance if things Jason did 2 years ago and which might be a motive to murder, aren't important or relevant to the custody case, imo.

[Stellagant]

Well then if anyone wants to pay for them, there is no reason why posting a link would be against the TOS. I was just trying to find out why Kat felt it might be against the TOS to post a link if anyone has them. If I felt that Linda's divorce had any bearing on this case, I'd pay for them but something that happened more than a decade ago surely can't have relevance if things Jason did 2 years ago and which might be a motive to murder, aren't important or relevant to the custody case, imo.

Fisher's character very much matters to a Judge deciding an initial custody proceeding.

[Leanne Weich]

Fisher's character very much matters to a Judge deciding an initial custody proceeding.

and I guess Jason's doesn't.

[Stellagant]

I dunno Card, she cited the wrong statutes to claim improper venue. As you pointed out, Linda filed under a statute that allows a case to be brought to any county in the State not the divorce statue (the one Jason cited) that states the county the minor child resides in is proper venue.

Nonetheless, I don't think that will overcome convience of forum to get a COV reassignment or dismissal.

An initial custody proceeding does have to be filed in the county where either a parent or child resides. Fishers' attorney knows it because you can tell by the way that claim is written. Her filing was filed with vague references to Jason and Cassidy "staying with" relatives as though they are just guests and don't live there and that Jason owns a residence in Wake County as though he lives there permanently.

[Stellagant]

and I guess Jason's doesn't.

No, it doesn't. His fitness as a parent is all that matters to the court and the burden of proof is totally on the Fishers.

There are some character issues that are deal breakers with Judges when a third-party tries to take a child away from parents and claims she'll be better off. Jason's attorney has every right to bring Fishers' character issues before the Judge.

[Leanne Weich]

No, it doesn't. His fitness as a parent is all that matters to the court and the burden of proof is totally on the Fishers.

There are some character issues that are deal breakers with Judges when a third-party tries to take a child away from parents and claims she'll be better off. Jason's attorney has every right to bring Fishers' character issues before the Judge.

Everyone knows that the Defendant in a Custody case has the right to bring forth any character flaws s/he feels the Plaintiff has to prove that s/he is the proper and fit custodian of the minor child.

Equally, the party applying for custody has the same right to point out to the Court why s/he feels that the custodial parent is unfit.

This is going to get very ugly before it is over, imo.

[Stellagant]

Everyone knows that the Defendant in a Custody case has the right to bring forth any character flaws s/he feels the Plaintiff has to prove that s/he is the proper and fit custodian of the minor child.

Equally, the party applying for custody has the same right to point out to the Court why s/he feels that the custodial parent is unfit.

This is going to get very ugly before it is over, imo.

The Fishers do not have any "right" to apply for custody of Cassidy. Children living with their parents is a basic liberty our government refuses to disrupt unless the child is in danger.

[Leanne Weich]

The Fishers do not have any "right" to apply for custody of Cassidy. Children living with their parents is a basic liberty our government refuses to disrupt unless the child is in danger.

That's your opinion. You don't know if the noose is tightening if Cassidy is in danger. Linda may well have information we are not privvy to. But, that is beside the point - neither you nor I know what Judge Sasser will decide with regard to whether or not the case should be dismissed. I'd think if a Court finds that a custodial parent (even if it is in a civil action) is deemed to have slain his wife, that that is sufficient evidence to question the child's safety. Even though NC does not have a foetal homicide law, it will not be lost on Judge Sasser that Jason has been presumed to have killed Cassidy's mother and brother, imo.

[alterEgo©]

That's your opinion. You don't know if the noose is tightening if Cassidy is in danger. Linda may well have information we are not privvy to. But, that is beside the point - neither you nor I know what Judge Sasser will decide with regard to whether or not the case should be dismissed. I'd think if a Court finds that a custodial parent (even if it is in a civil action) is deemed to have slain his wife, that that is sufficient evidence to question the child's safety. Even though NC does not have a foetal homicide law, it will not be lost on Judge Sasser that Jason has been presumed to have killed Cassidy's mother and brother, imo.
If anyone thought Cassidy was in danger, don't you think they would have requested an emergency ex parte like we saw in the Cooper case? Having a parent declared a slayer is not sufficient evidence to question the child's safety - it is considered 'conduct inconsistent with the constitutionally protected status of a parent' [para] and is what will make the 'best interest of the child' doctrine kick in.

Judge Sasser will apply applicable law and either dismiss or reassign. And she certainly won't let a fetal homicide, which is non existent under NC law, factor into her decision.

[alterEgo©]

An initial custody proceeding does have to be filed in the county where either a parent or child resides. Fishers' attorney knows it because you can tell by the way that claim is written. Her filing was filed with vague references to Jason and Cassidy "staying with" relatives as though they are just guests and don't live there and that Jason owns a residence in Wake County as though he lives there permanently.
That makes perfect sense. And in rereading Linda's pleading and looking at cited statute, the article she refers to, Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction Act, appears to have been penned to address multi jurisdictional issues when divorced parents reside in different states or when a parent flees with a child to another state to seek a safe haven from domestic violence. It will be interesting to see which statute the judge applies.

[BSNBREVARDNC]

That makes perfect sense. And in rereading Linda's pleading and looking at cited statute, the article she refers to, Uniform Child Custody Jurisdiction Act, appears to have been penned to address multi jurisdictional issues when divorced parents reside in different states or when a parent flees with a child to another state to seek a safe haven from domestic violence. It will be interesting to see which statute the judge applies.

Do you think it will get to that? Or do you think Jason's attorney will work out a deal that makes the Fisher's happy and keeps Jason from taking the stand, giving a deposition, taking a psych eval., etc.?

[dkny]

This will not be dismissed, venue might be changed but that is a big "if" given the circumstances of this case, the Judge can not take the risk or put the Court in the position of not taking action in the best regards of the child there will be a PE done on all parties and anyone involved in the daily routine of the child, ie PY, HM, KY, JY's stepfather, and all living w/CY. This is a very serious matter, JY has been determined "a slayer" by Wake County they can not/will not ignore that. JMHO.

[alterEgo©]

Do you think it will get to that? Or do you think Jason's attorney will work out a deal that makes the Fisher's happy and keeps Jason from taking the stand, giving a deposition, taking a psych eval., etc.?The motion to dismiss/reassign will definately be ruled on. It will be interesting to see how the Fishers respond to it.

I don't think Jason's atty has any worries about him taking the stand or giving a depo as the matter of the murder will not be a triable issue since the WD ruling answers the question 'did Jason kill Michelle?' for the court (unlike the Cooper case).

The plaintiffs offered no legal grounds to submit Jason to a psych eval so it will be interesting to see how Jason responds to that. What is interesting to note in the complaint is that nothing was offered to show Jason was an unfit parent (outside the WD ruling him a slayer) - only offerings to show he was an unfit spouse.

Would the Fishers drop the custody suit for visitation is the bigger question. They are in a tight corner as the law does not allow them to seek visitation and can only hope to get custody if they can prove Jason is an unfit parent.

[Stellagant]

That's your opinion. You don't know if the noose is tightening if Cassidy is in danger. Linda may well have information we are not privvy to. But, that is beside the point - neither you nor I know what Judge Sasser will decide with regard to whether or not the case should be dismissed. I'd think if a Court finds that a custodial parent (even if it is in a civil action) is deemed to have slain his wife, that that is sufficient evidence to question the child's safety. Even though NC does not have a foetal homicide law, it will not be lost on Judge Sasser that Jason has been presumed to have killed Cassidy's mother and brother, imo.

You sure don't seem to have an understanding of my country's rights of liberty. If Linda has information that Cassidy is in danger, she should report it to the CPS tip line. Ditto for Cassidy's teachers. That's the law. I'm basing my opinion on real facts. Cite me one case where a state has intervened between biological parent and child without probable cause of immediate danger. Jason being declared slayer in a civil court isn't adequate. I'm certain Judge Sasser isn't going to circumvent current statute just because a bitter grandparent wants visitation. Wrong venue is wrong venue.

Jason Young is not the "custodial" parent, he's the biological parent. Cassidy Young has the right to live with her parent without state intervention.

[alterEgo©]

This will not be dismissed, venue might be changed but that is a big "if" given the circumstances of this case, the Judge can not take the risk or put the Court in the position of not taking action in the best regards of the child there will be a PE done on all parties and anyone involved in the daily routine of the child, ie PY, HM, KY, JY's stepfather, and all living w/CY. This is a very serious matter, JY has been determined "a slayer" by Wake County they can not/will not ignore that. JMHO.
The case can indeed be dismissed on improper venue. What 'circumstances of this case' dictate Wake County is the proper forum?

A PE will not be done on anyone involved in the daily routine of Cassidy, just her father IF the court deems it necessary.

Yes, the court will determine what will be in the best interest of the child because Jason was ruled a slayer.

[dkny]

I disagree a PE will be done on all parties not just JY and it will be done on everyone living w/the child or the child will be living with. Wake County will retain jurisdiction over this IMO. This will not be dismissed. That is IMO. This case will set precedent I am sure. JMHO.

[alterEgo©]

I disagree a PE will be done on all parties not just JY and it will be done on everyone living w/the child or the child will be living with. Wake County will retain jurisdiction over this IMO. This will not be dismissed. That is IMO. This case will set precedent I am sure. JMHO.
No, a PE won't be done on all parties. That's just absurd.

There is nothing about this case what will make new law.

[JD1974]

I am so glad to hear that Jason will fight for Cassidy...I will never understand a parent that doesn't fight for their child. Alice Stubbs being his atty is a bit ironic, maybe she knows more than we do also.

[Stellagant]

*Snipped from stellagants post:

Cite me one case where a state has intervened between biological parent and child without probable cause of immediate danger. Jason being declared slayer in a civil court isn't adequate. I'm certain Judge Sasser isn't going to circumvent current statute just because a bitter grandparent wants visitation.


How bout Brad Cooper for one, he was NOT named a "slayer" by the courts, but the state absolutely intervened in that familys' custody fight and Brad Cooper lost custody. The lead detective in that case did not publicly state it was his opinion that Brad was the killer of his wife either, but BC lost custody. For you to describe Linda Fisher, the mother of the murder victim as "just a bitter grandparent" really is over the top, and just a tad bit heartless don't you think.

There was probable cause to believe the Cooper children were in danger. Brad Cooper had a history of suicide and anger management issues. The state did intervene on an emergency, temporary basis.

I think Linda Fisher's treatment of Jason and Michelle's dad at Michelle's funeral was over the top heartless.

[Allyson]

There was probable cause to believe the Cooper children were in danger. Brad Cooper had a history of suicide and anger management issues. The state did intervene on an emergency, temporary basis.

I think Linda Fisher's treatment of Jason and Michelle's dad at Michelle's funeral was over the top heartless.


And I think Pat Young's treatment of Linda Fisher is heartless. Why send Cassidy's gifts back? Why refuse phone calls?

And I also think that you probably do not have any first hand knowledge of how AY was "treated" at Michelle's funeral. Were you there? Can you provide a link to this "treatment?" Because I haven't seen any reports from anyone credible that says he was treated poorly.

Maybe you can explain or elaborate?

[Stellagant]

And I think Pat Young's treatment of Linda Fisher is heartless. Why send Cassidy's gifts back? Why refuse phone calls?

And I also think that you probably do not have any first hand knowledge of how AY was "treated" at Michelle's funeral. Were you there? Can you provide a link to this "treatment?" Because I haven't seen any reports from anyone credible that says he was treated poorly.

Maybe you can explain or elaborate?

Why? I'm the one who decides what is credible to me.

[5swab5]

Why? I'm the one who decides what is credible to me.



Why don't you follow TOS and give us a link, otherwise give us a break, some of us are tired of reading your fantasies.

MOO

[lament79]

And I think Pat Young's treatment of Linda Fisher is heartless. Why send Cassidy's gifts back? Why refuse phone calls?

And I also think that you probably do not have any first hand knowledge of how AY was "treated" at Michelle's funeral. Were you there? Can you provide a link to this "treatment?" Because I haven't seen any reports from anyone credible that says he was treated poorly.

Maybe you can explain or elaborate?

Mrs. Young did this for sure? I knew of the returned gifts but I didn't know Mrs. Young was behind it. :sad:

[Cardinal]

Mrs. Young did this for sure? I knew of the returned gifts but I didn't know Mrs. Young was behind it. :sad:

I don't think we know this for sure, lament. We know from the custody filing that the gifts were returned, but we don't know for sure of Pat's involvement.

ETA: Regardless, depriving Cassidy of gifts from her maternal family is cruel, IMO.

[lament79]

That person sounds like they know more to the situation with the way he or she worded it.

And a keeping gifts away from the child, only hurts the child.

[Cardinal]

That person sounds like they know more to the situation with the way he or she worded it.

And they may. But I don't think it's verifiable within the TOS here.

And in response to your added comment, I agree. It only hurts Cassidy, IMO.

[alterEgo©]

Sorry, but this IS still America and when the lead detective in a murder case says the victims husband (father of said child) is, in his opinion the killer and the court names this same husband/father the "slayer" in her murder, Linda Fisher has every right to apply for custody of her granddaughter. And because of these very facts, the child IS in danger, IMO and obviously a few others are of this same opinion.Well if Cassidy is in danger, why didn't the Fishers mention that in their complaint?

Do they not know? :ohmy:

Anyone can file a complaint against anyone - where ya been?

[Allyson]

Why? I'm the one who decides what is credible to me.

When you post your opinion as fact, as you so often do, then you should be able to explain or elaborate your statement.

You said AF was treated poorly at Michelle's funeral...why do you think that? Did you witness something that made you think he was mistreated? Inquiring minds want to know....

[Tia]

Why don't you follow TOS and give us a link, otherwise give us a break, some of us are tired of reading your fantasies.




MOO

A friendly reminder for Stallegant:

Originally Posted by Kat4Eagles

I think that part of the problem is posters who post on different Boards without any rules or moderation and can just post without back~up of what they say.

We clearly have rules, and Tos guidelines here, and when a link is asked for, it should be provided, and not told to go look it up for ourselves.

That is not how it works.

Today, we learned Jason is working in construction, I have yet to see a link.

The other day, we were told the Fishers saw C over the weekend, again, no link.



Kat

[Stellagant]

When you post your opinion as fact, as you so often do, then you should be able to explain or elaborate your statement.

You said AF was treated poorly at Michelle's funeral...why do you think that? Did you witness something that made you think he was mistreated? Inquiring minds want to know....

I posted my opinion and elaborating isn't going to change my opinion. I'm not asking you to elaborate on why you believe it was Pat Young who returned gifts. I'm pretty sure you didn't witness it.

[Stellagant]

Well if Cassidy is in danger, why didn't the Fishers mention that in their complaint?

Do they not know? :ohmy:

Anyone can file a complaint against anyone - where ya been?

No danger was mentioned, no request for emergency intervention, as is usually the case. Asking for a hearing over a month away is hardly an emergency.

[Lindsey]

< snip >

You said AF was treated poorly at Michelle's funeral...why do you think that? Did you witness something that made you think he was mistreated? Inquiring minds want to know....


I didn't witness it but I did hear about it from a dear friend of Alan's, who did witness it, that both he and his wife were treated poorly. I have no reason to not believe the friend.

IMO

[Allyson]

I didn't witness it but I did hear about it from a dear friend of Alan's, who did witness it, that both he and his wife were treated poorly. I have no reason to not believe the friend.

IMO

Well, I didn't witness it. Nor did I witness Jason being treated poorly. He was well guarded by his family and he was nowhere close to Michelle's family. Alan was kind of "in the middle"...not on one side or the other. I did not witness anything hostile. I have no reason to not believe my eyes and ears.

ETA: IMO, I thought they did well despite their recent history. They seemed to put their differences aside after Michelle's murder.

[Lindsey]

Well, I didn't witness it. Nor did I witness Jason being treated poorly. He was well guarded by his family and he was nowhere close to Michelle's family. Alan was kind of "in the middle"...not on one side or the other. I did not witness anything hostile. I have no reason to not believe my eyes and ears.

ETA: IMO, I thought they did well despite their recent history. They seemed to put their differences aside after Michelle's murder.


I doubt that your eyes and ears witnessed everything during the visitation and the funeral (two separate events, I believe) so to say that Mr Fisher and his wife were not treated poorly could be a mistake on your part.

IMO

[Allyson]

I doubt that your eyes and ears witnessed everything during the visitation and the funeral (two separate events, I believe) so to say that Mr Fisher and his wife were not treated poorly could be a mistake on your part.

IMO

It could be...but I also think that there may have been too much made out of nothing. In other words, there were people there who knew of the less-than harmonious relationship between AF/JF and LF and were looking for discord. I didn't expect for AF and LF to be hugging and loving during either service and I thought they were okay, considering the circumstances.

[alterEgo©]

Thanks!

Just provide those pesky links in the future, K?

Then we'll all be happy!
I know I would be happy to see links to Cassidy visiting Meredith and Linda over the weekend. And of Jason working construction.

I've been asking for those 'pesky links' for DAYS.

[dkny]

No, a PE won't be done on all parties. That's just absurd.

There is nothing about this case what will make new law.

Do you have any experience in family Court? Of course new precedent will be set given the way JY was determined a "slayer" before his arrest. IMOO.

[achristie]

It could be...but I also think that there may have been too much made out of nothing. In other words, there were people there who knew of the less-than harmonious relationship between AF/JF and LF and were looking for discord. I didn't expect for AF and LF to be hugging and loving during either service and I thought they were okay, considering the circumstances.

Thank you, Allyson.
I'm more inclined to believe your first hand account instead of Lindsey's.
Not that any of it matters in regard to who murdered MY.;)

MOO Aggie

[Kat4Eagles]

I doubt that your eyes and ears witnessed everything during the visitation and the funeral (two separate events, I believe) so to say that Mr Fisher and his wife were not treated poorly could be a mistake on your part.

IMO

I bet that they have a lot of regrets now that he (AF) has passed away.

I was glad to read that Michelle, with Jason's encouragement, helped reunite with her Dad.....

I also bet AF adored C, and I never read anywhere that he said or thought Jason killed his daughter.

Because if he did think that, even for a second, I can not imagine a Dad that would not seek some kind of revenge.

Or even remain silent, for that matter.

RIP:rose: Alan and Michelle.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I know I would be happy to see links to Cassidy visiting Meredith and Linda over the weekend. And of Jason working construction.

I've been asking for those 'pesky links' for DAYS.


Those are still not available, huh?

Kat

[Lindsey]

Thank you, Allyson.
I'm more inclined to believe your first hand account instead of Lindsey's.
Not that any of it matters in regard to who murdered MY.;)

MOO Aggie

It was not my first hand account. It was a very dear friend of Alan Fisher's first hand account.

[Kat4Eagles]

Well, I didn't witness it. Nor did I witness Jason being treated poorly. He was well guarded by his family and he was nowhere close to Michelle's family. Alan was kind of "in the middle"...not on one side or the other. I did not witness anything hostile. I have no reason to not believe my eyes and ears.

ETA: IMO, I thought they did well despite their recent history. They seemed to put their differences aside after Michelle's murder.

You were there?
:rolleyes:

Kat

[Doorbell]

I bet that they have a lot of regrets now that he (AF) has passed away.

I was glad to read that Michelle, with Jason's encouragement, helped reunite with her Dad.....

I also bet AF adored C, and I never read anywhere that he said or thought Jason killed his daughter.

Because if he did think that, even for a second, I can not imagine a Dad that would not seek some kind of revenge.

Or even remain silent.

RIP:rose: Alan and Michelle.

Kat

As Jason lost a child and a wife at the same time Alan lost a child, I think the same could apply to him.

[Kat4Eagles]

It was not my first hand account. It was a very dear friend of Alan Fisher's first hand account.



And, you know I believe you .

It was posted here many times that there were 2 different rooms for those attending, and that Alan was not welcome with the Fishers.

I also remember reading something about them not even saving him a chair on the front row for viewing or at the actual funeral.

Kat

[Lindsey]

I bet that they have a lot of regrets now that he (AF) has passed away.

I was glad to read that Michelle, with Jason's encouragement, helped reunite with her Dad.....

I also bet AF adored C, and I never read anywhere that he said or thought Jason killed his daughter.

Because if he did think that, even for a second, I can not imagine a Dad that would not seek some kind of revenge.

Or even remain silent, for that matter.

RIP:rose: Alan and Michelle.

Kat

Hey Kat,

I'm glad that Michelle and Alan were reunited too but actually that probably happened much earlier than most people think. I don't know why it wasn't supposed to be common knowledge unless Michelle didn't want to deal with other family member's disapproval ... maybe?

I think Alan and Cassidy adored each other. So sad when you think of all Cassidy's losses at such a young age.

IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

As Jason lost a child and a wife at the same time Alan lost a child, I think the same could apply to him.


I was talking about Alan, but that is a good point.
Unless you are accused, and scared.
:shrug:

Kat

[achristie]

It was not my first hand account. It was a very dear friend of Alan Fisher's first hand account.

Exactly. That was my point. Allyson's is first hand, yours is not. Was that very dear friend of AF's the same person that told you MY was on her computer at midnight? Just wondering.

MOO Aggie

[Kat4Eagles]

Hey Kat,

I'm glad that Michelle and Alan were reunited too but actually that probably happened much earlier than most people think. I don't know why it wasn't supposed to be common knowledge unless Michelle didn't want to deal with other family member's disapproval ... maybe?

I think Alan and Cassidy adored each other. So sad when you think of all Cassidy's losses at such a young age.

IMO

Hi Lin.:)

Oh, so how old was Michelle when they reunited, cause I know on MF's webpage she was still not getting along with her Dad.

It must have been hard for Michelle to make such a decision, you are right, I wonder how it went over with the rest of the family.

I hope Michelle was not to made to feel guilty or choose sides when she became an adult.

Maybe, the reason for seeing a therapist?

:shrug:

Kat

[achristie]

Hi Lin.:)

Oh, so how old was Michelle when they reunited, cause I know on MF's webpage she was still not getting along with her Dad.

It must have been hard for Michelle to make such a decision, you are right, I wonder how it went over with the rest of the family.

I hope Michelle was not to made to feel guilty or choose sides when she became an adult.

Maybe, the reason for seeing a therapist?

:shrug:

Kat

I doubt it.

MOO Aggie

[Lindsey]

Exactly. That was my point. Allyson's is first hand, yours is not. Was that very dear friend of AF's the same person that told you MY was on her computer at midnight? Just wondering.

MOO Aggie

No one ever told me Michelle was on her computer at midnight.

Just wondering why you insist on misrepresenting my posts.

[achristie]

No one ever told me Michelle was on her computer at midnight.

Just wondering why you insist on misrepresenting my posts.

What? Are you serious? You posted waaaay back when that MY was on her computer at midnight. You even posted that you wouldn't back that statement up without a go-ahead from your source. I'm old but I'm not THAT forgetful. Nice try.:thumbup:

MOO Aggie

[Jules2]

Aggie isn't misrepresenting anything. I too remeber you stating Michelle was on her computer around midnight. When posters asked you about it your response was that you didn't feel comfortable revealing your source.
I guess Aggie and I are both imagining the exact same thing??? IMO

No, you're not imagining anything.
I distinctly remember Lindsey stating this as well.

[Tia]

No, you're not imagining anything.
I distinctly remember Lindsey stating this as well.

Me too. I remember it.

[Lindsey]

Hi Lin.:)

Oh, so how old was Michelle when they reunited, cause I know on MF's webpage she was still not getting along with her Dad.

It must have been hard for Michelle to make such a decision, you are right, I wonder how it went over with the rest of the family.

I hope Michelle was not to made to feel guilty or choose sides when she became an adult.

Maybe, the reason for seeing a therapist?

:shrug:

Kat

She was an adult. I'm not sure just how old she was but it was before Cassidy was born. Most people seem to think it happened just shortly before Michelle's death. Not true. That might be when some people learned they were reconciled tho. I don't know.

I'm just glad they were.

IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

She was an adult. I'm not sure just how old she was but it was before Cassidy was born. Most people seem to think it happened just shortly before Michelle's death. Not true. That might be when some people learned they were reconciled tho. I don't know.

I'm just glad they were.

IMO

Me too, there has been enough pain and hearts broken in this case, as it is.
:(
Kat

[alterEgo©]

Do you have any experience in family Court? Of course new precedent will be set given the way JY was determined a "slayer" before his arrest. IMOO.Huh? Jason being ruled a slayer in civil court w/o his arrest or a criminal charge did not set 'new precedent'. Linda's atty said it was 'very rare' to file a WD suit prior to the criminal case being solved. Hardly a precedent since it's happened before.

Ditto on the custody filing. The WD ruling will be used to prove that Jason killed Michelle. Nothing new there.

Nothing new to be ruled on in which to set precedent.

[achristie]

Who knows for a fact that they were really reunited??? It was just rumored to be so.
Besides if true how could it not have been common knowledge if the info landed up here? Couldn't have been a big secret IMO

Plus, how can anyone put stock in the statement when past statements are blatently disavowed? Unbelievable. I'm speechless.

MOO Aggie

[Lindsey]

Nope. I never said someone told me Michelle was on her computer at midnight. I know exactly what I said and that wasn't it.

You are right that I said I wouldn't reveal my source without his/her permission. That still stands.

[alterEgo©]

No one ever told me Michelle was on her computer at midnight.

Just wondering why you insist on misrepresenting my posts.You have cleared that up before and even asked not be harassed about it any more.

[achristie]

Nope. I never said someone told me Michelle was on her computer at midnight. I know exactly what I said and that wasn't it.

You are right that I said I wouldn't reveal my source without his/her permission. That still stands.

You are parsing words and backpedaling. I know what you said. Too bad those posts were deleted. It appears that I'm not the only one that remembers them. Just sayin'.

MOO Aggie

[Leanne Weich]

You sure your magic eight ball didn't tell you this?

Surely you know by now that we are expected to take certain posters' words as gospel truth but if anyone else has inside information, a link must be provided.

[Doorbell]

What? Are you serious? You posted waaaay back when that MY was on her computer at midnight. You even posted that you wouldn't back that statement up without a go-ahead from your source. I'm old but I'm not THAT forgetful. Nice try.:thumbup:

MOO Aggie

I remember that, too.

Unless this is a different Lindsey.

[achristie]

You have cleared that up before and even asked not be harassed about it any more.

No harassment going on , despite your claim. I asked a simple question that was germane to a recent statement. Are you the board moderator?

MOO Aggie

[cognac]

Nope. I never said someone told me Michelle was on her computer at midnight. I know exactly what I said and that wasn't it.


So what's your point? Are you quibbling over semantics?

[alterEgo©]

No harassment going on , despite your claim. I asked a simple question that was germane to a recent statement. Are you the board moderator?

MOO Aggie
The post of Lindsay's keeps getting brought up with folks like yourself insisting she said things she did not say. She clarified the issue and said put it to rest and asked to not be harassed about it any more.

But y'all just can't help yourselves.

:seeya:

[Leanne Weich]

The post of Lindsay's keeps getting brought up with folks like yourself insisting she said things she did not say. She clarified the issue and said put it to rest and asked to not be harassed about it any more.

But y'all just can't help yourselves.

:seeya:

Well, if she didn't say it, why does she, today, say she still will not reveal her source. A source to a non-statement???

[alterEgo©]

Oh good lord no one has harassed this person.
The person did say it. Of course she has no link to back it up so now she's saying she didn't say it. What else is new:shrug:
No she didn't. You are making the accusation and stating as fact she said something, so it is up to YOU to prove your accusation is true.

[achristie]

The post of Lindsay's keeps getting brought up with folks like yourself insisting she said things she did not say. She clarified the issue and said put it to rest and asked to not be harassed about it any more.

But y'all just can't help yourselves.

:seeya:

Has it been brought up recently? Not that I recall. She said it and I remember it. As I stated, it was germane to her post.

MOO and a Good Night to all Aggie :seeya:

ps. First time I've used the above emoticon.

[Lindsey]

For The Record

For The Final Time



"I have good reason to believe Michelle was on the computer after midnight on the night she was murdered."

"I won't post what was shared with me without that person's permission."

That's What I Said.

Now, please don't ask me again. Thank you.

[alterEgo©]

It's a shame you have to keep correcting posters who misrepresent what you have said. I'm glad you saved it.

What is your opinion on the custody suit and cov/motion to dismiss?

[Tia]

For The Record

For The Final Time



"I have good reason to believe Michelle was on the computer after midnight on the night she was murdered."

"I won't post what was shared with me without that person's permission."

That's What I Said.

Now, please don't ask me again. Thank you.


Lindsey, I TOTALLY understand that you have inside info and that you want to protect your "source". The problem that posters are having is that you get a pass for that, don't have to post a link, and we are supposed to accept it.

If a JDI posts "inside info", a link is demanded and if one is not supplied, the post is written off as a lie. The poster is reported to CW and often times banned from the forum.

THAT is the problem with this thread. The TOS need to be fair, ALL AROUND.

[Lindsey]

You have cleared that up before and even asked not be harassed about it any more.

Yes, I have and thank you for remembering. I appreciate you.

[Lindsey]

It's a shame you have to keep correcting posters who misrepresent what you have said. I'm glad you saved it.

What is your opinion on the custody suit and cov/motion to dismiss?

I said from day one that I didn't think it should have been filed in Wake County since Jason and Cassidy moved from there over 2 years ago. I wonder when the motion will be heard and decided. I'm glad Jason isn't ignoring the whole thing and I hope that everyone keeps Cassidy's best interests at the top of their priority list.

JMO

[alterEgo©]

I said from day one that I didn't think it should have been filed in Wake County since Jason and Cassidy moved from there over 2 years ago. I wonder when the motion will be heard and decided. I'm glad Jason isn't ignoring the whole thing and I hope that everyone keeps Cassidy's best interests at the top of their priority list.

JMOIt's my understanding the motion to dismiss/reassign has to be ruled on before the case can go forward. I'm not clear on the time frame of when the Fisher's must put forth their objections to the motion.

And I agree (once again) that the complaint should have been filed in Trans County as that is where Cassidy is living.

I have no doubt the court will remain impartial and follow the law and determine what is in the best interests of Cassidy. I just hope there is limited fur flying because these types of cases can get sooo ugly.

[achristie]

For The Record

For The Final Time



"I have good reason to believe Michelle was on the computer after midnight on the night she was murdered."

"I won't post what was shared with me without that person's permission."

That's What I Said.

Now, please don't ask me again. Thank you.

Thank you for clarifying . So this previous post was not truthful? Just attempting to keep things straight.

.................................................. ..........................................

#497 01-22-2009, 10:41 PM
Lindsey
Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Middle Georgia
Posts: 2,114

Quote:
Originally Posted by achristie
Exactly. That was my point. Allyson's is first hand, yours is not. Was that very dear friend of AF's the same person that told you MY was on her computer at midnight? Just wondering.

MOO Aggie

No one ever told me Michelle was on her computer at midnight.

Just wondering why you insist on misrepresenting my posts.

[alterEgo©]

was it in cassidy's best interest to have the married woman w/ whom jason was having an affair* accompany jason to pick up/drop off cassidy at daycare?

i think not.

i presume that woman will be receiving a subpoena to testify before the judge in the custody case.


(*the houseguest at birchleaf in the weeks prior to michelle's murder/not MM)

imoWhy, was the houseguest a person of questionable character like a drug dealer or something?

I have been unable to find anything to substantiate the houseguest going w/Jason to daycare (IF that is proven to be true) is conduct proving unfittness to be a parent.

She will only get a subpoena if her testimony is relevant to the custody proceeding.

[alterEgo©]

i can't imagine anything more ugly than the sight of michelle's smashed in head and teeth scattered around the room all the while little cassidy was nearby.

like sheriff harrison said, "you have to wonder what the little girl saw."
(may be paraphased)


:(

imo, MOOIt's a good thing she is seeing a psychologist

[alterEgo©]

Thank you for clarifying . So this previous post was not truthful? Just attempting to keep things straight.

Jeez aggie, what do you not get? What do you not understand?

I mean, really.

What is so hard to comprehend about "No one ever told me". Do you honestly think one can only be told something in order to "have good reason to believe" it?

[Doorbell]

Jeez aggie, what do you not get? What do you not understand?

I mean, really.

What is so hard to comprehend about "No one ever told me". Do you honestly think one can only be told something in order to "have good reason to believe" it?

I can think of a couple of ways one could have "reason to believe."

1) Lindsey received an email or IM from Michelle.
2) Lindsey was logged in to her Myspace, or some such network, and noticed that Michelle was on line.
3) Lindsey was peering in Michelle's second storey window and saw that she was on the computer.

If somebody didn't inform Lindsey that Michelle was on line, Lindsey must have direct knowledge.

Therefore, there is no source to protect. Unless the quibble is between "told" and some other form of communicating the information, which, IMO, is splitting hairs.

:cool:

[dkny]

Huh? Jason being ruled a slayer in civil court w/o his arrest or a criminal charge did not set 'new precedent'. Linda's atty said it was 'very rare' to file a WD suit prior to the criminal case being solved. Hardly a precedent since it's happened before.

Ditto on the custody filing. The WD ruling will be used to prove that Jason killed Michelle. Nothing new there.

Nothing new to be ruled on in which to set precedent.

It will be precedent when JY looses custody that is what I am saying and it is rare to file a WDS and have a parent declared "slayer
b4 an arrest. Civil or not JY is a "slayer". JY starts off as a "slayer" he has been determined to have killed CY's Mother. A PE willl be done on all parties who reside w/CY. It will happen they have to protect CY. JY is an angry person, IMO, JY killed MY because of resentment and that same resentment could possibly be turned on CY, he could possibly see her as the reason for loosing the remainder of his lifestyle. Even if he did not try to kill her he would still resent her and do emotional damage. And if it is true, that LF's gifts were sent back and CY being denied access to her Mom's side, that is detrimental and those living with JY have not put the child first either. JMHO.

[annalyzer]

Lindsey, I TOTALLY understand that you have inside info and that you want to protect your "source". The problem that posters are having is that you get a pass for that, don't have to post a link, and we are supposed to accept it.

If a JDI posts "inside info", a link is demanded and if one is not supplied, the post is written off as a lie. The poster is reported to CW and often times banned from the forum.

THAT is the problem with this thread. The TOS need to be fair, ALL AROUND.


You don't have to accept anything. You are free to believe or not believe anything you wish.

[annalyzer]

I am so glad to hear that Jason will fight for Cassidy...I will never understand a parent that doesn't fight for their child. Alice Stubbs being his atty is a bit ironic, maybe she knows more than we do also.


Yeah I just heard the news through a pm. Good. Now what's next?

[Doorbell]

so why is she protecting the georgia horsewoman?
i hear those people are real jerks.
imo, MOO

Probably whoever gave her the information asked her not to tell where she got it. To be honest, I would do the same thing.

However, I would not have said anything about it on the board.

[annalyzer]

where's your link, lady?

Link to what? Do you have a problem?

[alterEgo©]

It will be precedent when JY looses custody that is what I am saying and it is rare to file a WDS and have a parent declared "slayer
b4 an arrest. Civil or not JY is a "slayer". JY starts off as a "slayer" he has been determined to have killed CY's Mother. A PE willl be done on all parties who reside w/CY. It will happen they have to protect CY. JY is an angry person, IMO, JY killed MY because of resentment and that same resentment could possibly be turned on CY, he could possibly see her as the reason for loosing the remainder of his lifestyle. Even if he did not try to kill her he would still resent her and do emotional damage. And if it is true, that LF's gifts were sent back and CY being denied access to her Mom's side, that is detrimental and those living with JY have not put the child first either. JMHO.
Well you obviously don't know what it means to set a precedent.

Or that a court will not just willy-nilly start ordering PEs.

Jason is fully within his constitutionally protected status as Cassidy's natural parent to dictate who she will have contact with and what gifts she can accept.

There is no mention in the custody complaint of any danger. That seems to be something made up out of whole cloth right here on this board.

[alterEgo©]

was she??!! i guess that kind of explains why she was hanging around birchleaf w/ jason.

relevant? indeed!

MOO
I sure can't find anything that would make it relevant. It isn't alleged that Cassidy's health and welfare were jeopardized because of the affair(s).

[alterEgo©]

Alter Ego(c)
seems to be confused about case law vs. statute.

there is always the possibility of setting a new precedent.
imo
No, I'm not confused about case law v statute.

Of course there is always a possiblity, but to cling to the idea that Jason being named a slayer in a WD suit sans a criminal complaint somehow sets precedent is clinging to a false notion. No precedent was set in the WD case ruling. None. And using the WD ruling in the custody case to prove an element in the complaint will not set any precedent as it has been done before and won't demand a departure from existing case law.

[alterEgo©]

Yeah I just heard the news through a pm. Good. Now what's next?
Motion to dismiss/COV filed by Jason, waiting on the Fisher's response.

And Jason got an extension to respond to the complaint, so waiting on that also.

[alterEgo©]

You're joking, right?

Why don't you show where the custody complaint has anything at all about Cassidy being in danger.

And while you are at it, why don't you show where it was proven that Cassidy was drugged since you seem to think that is a fact.

[alterEgo©]

huh?
you think that jason being named as a slayer in a wrongful death suit will NOT affect a custody suit for his victim's daughter?

dream on.

imo
Huh?

See, it's this kind of inability to process the written word and draw an accurate conclusion of what was posted that leads to so many unneccessary 'problems'.

Why don't you give it another try.

[alterEgo©]

read the links provided above.
i guess you think you know more than the investigators.



MOONeither link is to the custody complaint and neither link contains proof that Cassidy was drugged.

Try again.

[alterEgo©]

let's just keep or fingers crossed that he doesn't kill again in the meantime.

MOOAnd yet ANOTHER instance of something that the Fisher's could have used to get an emergency ex parte hearing and get Cassidy out of harms way.

Or is this another msg board secret they don't know about. :ohmy:

[alterEgo©]

yours is an incoherent post.
imo
Yeah I can see where you would have a problem correctly processing 'using the WD ruling in the custody case'.

[alterEgo©]

the dna test results do prove cassidy was drugged.

imo

The DNA test will not specify WHEN her DNA was deposited on the dropper IF her DNA is even on the dropper.

[alterEgo©]

give it up, guy.
the evidence that was used in the WD suit can be submitted in the custody case. so you think there will be a different outcome when a the lead detective in the murder of the monir child's mother submits an affidavit that says that he believes the father killed the child's mother?


moo
Huh? The WD suit has already been ruled on. There is no other outcome for it.

[alterEgo©]

what?
jay wiped it clean?
you know he was very busy and ran out of time.

mooReally? It's kinda freaky you know that....say...you don't happen to wear a size10 Franklin shoe, do you?