Monday morning jan.19th part 1

[callmetree]

good morning all! been gone for a week so i've got alot of reading to do. blu ,if you are out there we could use your candle link.:rose: anyone have any news on caylee service yet?

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[callmetree]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033




thank you ellegna!! always a good way to to start the day.

[sofiesmom]

Do we get new docs today or was that just a rumor?

[KKKKKKatie]

Do we get new docs today or was that just a rumor?

Is the court house open today? I know lots of places are closed for Martin Luther King day.....

[playnice]

Is the court house open today? I know lots of places are closed for Martin Luther King day.....

All gov offices are closed today.

[KKKKKKatie]

All gov offices are closed today.

That is what I thought. So I would guess no doc dump today? Or would that make a difference?

[callmetree]

i'm still trying to catch up from all i missed last week. i just now got to watch the august 14th video. i hate to bother you all but is that video, the police officer being reassigned and lee asking for immunity all i missed ? i really feel lost and have tried to read all the links. thanks for any answers i get. no news on caylee's funeral yet?:blush:

[BJames]

Good morning all!

I am just finishing the evening thread and have some thoughts..
Regarding the lady who took the garbage bag from the Anthony's curb close to the beginning...wouldn't it be interesting if LE collects it from her and can use the plastic bag to compare to the bags found at the crime scene? At that point nobody was looking for bags used in the Anthony home...but that lady may have one from the same box...
On July 3rd Cindy tried to meet up with Casey at Universal, when she called Casey wasn't there and gave her an 'excuse'. Somehow (MySpace?) Cindy finds out that Casey is meant to be at the club that night and sends Lee out to find/talk to her...Casey tells her friends that she has to leave. At that point she would have to tell Cindy where Caylee was since she was at a bar and Cindy didn't have the baby..later Cindy makes a long dire post on her own MySpace about 'losing' her angel. We now know that Caylee was already deceased at that point...
I am so hoping that they have cameras in the Amscot parking lot, we already know that Casey doesn't seem to notice them..hence the cameras during the thievery. I think Casey may have left (what looked like?) a purse on the front seat, hoping maybe someone would smash the window to grab it? It might look like a car jacking...or just a simple theft..but if she isn't thinking of cameras and the car is found like that with that smell in the trunk? Someone might believe that she and Caylee had been 'taken' and may be dead due to the smell in the car...I do believe that Casey meant to 'leave/vanish' ('Just one more day mom..')...and of course Caylee was already gone.

It appears that Casey only 'thinks' in short spurts...and later adds some frosting to make things sound better..
I do so hope that they have a service for that poor wee child soon, it seems they can't even honor her in death and move on to justice.

Just my opinion of course..

[ellegna]

i'm still trying to catch up from all i missed last week. i just now got to watch the august 14th video. i hate to bother you all but is that video, the police officer being reassigned and lee asking for immunity all i missed ? i really feel lost and have tried to read all the links. thanks for any answers i get. no news on caylee's funeral yet?:blush:

GM Callmetree :seeya:

Did you watch Greta Friday Night?

Brad Conway
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3452533&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/

Tattoo Parlor
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3452532&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/

Jose Baez
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3452529&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/

[callmetree]

GM Callmetree :seeya:

Did you watch Greta Friday Night?

Brad Conway
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3452533&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/

Tattoo Parlor
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3452532&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/

Jose Baez
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3452529&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/

thanks ellegna. i've been without a computer or cable but i will go read these. you are a sweetie!:smile:

[n/t]

Good Morning,

BJ, I have no doubt LE already has the bag and its contents and they've had it since the day she picked it up.

Not sure if we'll get doc dumps today. I'm guessing a lot of the media focus will be on Martin Luther King and the upcoming Presidential Inauguration.

[callmetree]

Good morning all!

I am just finishing the evening thread and have some thoughts..
Regarding the lady who took the garbage bag from the Anthony's curb close to the beginning...wouldn't it be interesting if LE collects it from her and can use the plastic bag to compare to the bags found at the crime scene? At that point nobody was looking for bags used in the Anthony home...but that lady may have one from the same box...
On July 3rd Cindy tried to meet up with Casey at Universal, when she called Casey wasn't there and gave her an 'excuse'. Somehow (MySpace?) Cindy finds out that Casey is meant to be at the club that night and sends Lee out to find/talk to her...Casey tells her friends that she has to leave. At that point she would have to tell Cindy where Caylee was since she was at a bar and Cindy didn't have the baby..later Cindy makes a long dire post on her own MySpace about 'losing' her angel. We now know that Caylee was already deceased at that point...
I am so hoping that they have cameras in the Amscot parking lot, we already know that Casey doesn't seem to notice them..hence the cameras during the thievery. I think Casey may have left (what looked like?) a purse on the front seat, hoping maybe someone would smash the window to grab it? It might look like a car jacking...or just a simple theft..but if she isn't thinking of cameras and the car is found like that with that smell in the trunk? Someone might believe that she and Caylee had been 'taken' and may be dead due to the smell in the car...I do believe that Casey meant to 'leave/vanish' ('Just one more day mom..')...and of course Caylee was already gone.

It appears that Casey only 'thinks' in short spurts...and later adds some frosting to make things sound better..
I do so hope that they have a service for that poor wee child soon, it seems they can't even honor her in death and move on to justice.

Just my opinion of course..

good post bjames. i just can't seem to get inside her head and figure her out. the casey i saw on the august 14th video is the only real casey i can see. i'm like you.... i just wish they would have caylee service and get on with this trial. it sickens me to try to fifure out what they are all waiting for. ok off to read ellegna's links she provided.

[ellegna]

Good morning all!

I am just finishing the evening thread and have some thoughts..
Regarding the lady who took the garbage bag from the Anthony's curb close to the beginning...wouldn't it be interesting if LE collects it from her and can use the plastic bag to compare to the bags found at the crime scene? At that point nobody was looking for bags used in the Anthony home...but that lady may have one from the same box...

respectfully snipped


I hope the Sheriff's office did collect the garbage bag, examined the contents and kept for future reference. IIRC..It was already reported there was decomp in the trunk and speculated Caylee may have already been or placed later into a garbage bag. I truly hope LE foresaw the possibility this garbage bag may be key evidence and stored it.
Now that I think about it, we never did hear anything else about that garbage after that lady appeared on the news.
I'm chuckling right now because so many posters criticized her. Wouldn't it be amazing if that lady actually provided LE major evidence? :laugh:

[desmom]

good post bjames. i just can't seem to get inside her head and figure her out. the casey i saw on the august 14th video is the only real casey i can see. i'm like you.... i just wish they would have caylee service and get on with this trial. it sickens me to try to fifure out what they are all waiting for. ok off to read ellegna's links she provided.

I think we got our first glimpse of Casey when she called home from the jail in July.

transcript of call: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

audio of call: http://missingexploited.com/2008/08/24/casey-anthonys-phone-calls-from-jail-with-cindy-anthony-caylee-still-missing/

[Kathlb]

Good Morning everyone. Hope you all had a nice weekend. I guess since it's a Holiday for Gov. offices, we won't see much today. Time will tell.

I also found a neat site. I think I can post it since it's not another message board. It's BlogTalk Radio and the host is Simon Barrett and his wife. They take calls and discuss this case. I'm listening right now. Like SM radio, it is live but you can listen later too.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett

Someone called in that lives 15 min from the Anthony's and said Greta was there on Sat. and so was LE at the Anthony's house. The lawyer wouldn't say why.

[ellegna]

I think we got our first glimpse of Casey when she called home from the jail in July.

transcript of call: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

audio of call: http://missingexploited.com/2008/08/24/casey-anthonys-phone-calls-from-jail-with-cindy-anthony-caylee-still-missing/

Oh I just had to go and re-listen to that audio. :mad:
Amazing. Truly truly amazing.
The little piece of work is sitting in jail and she's angry no one gives her TonE's number? Christina gets very emotional about Caylee being missing and Casey, not fizzed at all Christina is crying, spews calling you guys was a huge waste.

Stopping right here. BP rising

[callmetree]

Oh I just had to go and re-listen to that audio. :mad:
Amazing. Truly truly amazing.
The little piece of work is sitting in jail and she's angry no one gives her TonE's number? Christina gets very emotional about Caylee being missing and Casey, not fizzed at all Christina is crying, spews calling you guys was a huge waste.

Stopping right here. BP rising

i had totally forgotten about that call. this girl is some piece of work. i think she may really think people believe her. who knows? how can one keep up with so many lies? you start off with one, then you have to tell another and the cycle continues...:cursing:

[VII]

good post bjames. i just can't seem to get inside her head and figure her out. the casey i saw on the august 14th video is the only real casey i can see. i'm like you.... i just wish they would have caylee service and get on with this trial. it sickens me to try to fifure out what they are all waiting for. ok off to read ellegna's links she provided.

I think the REAL Casey is much worse.
This was a TonEd down version cuz she realizes, and often mentions, the visits are being recorded and the media is going to have a field day with it ...
jmo

[callmetree]

I think the REAL Casey is much worse.
This was a TonEd down version cuz she realizes, and often mentions, the visits are being recorded and the media is going to have a field day with it ...
jmo

you are probably right. maybe that side of her will come out in court. not likely but one can always hope.

[n/t]

Good Morning everyone. Hope you all had a nice weekend. I guess since it's a Holiday for Gov. offices, we won't see much today. Time will tell.

I also found a neat site. I think I can post it since it's not another message board. It's BlogTalk Radio and the host is Simon Barrett and his wife. They take calls and discuss this case. I'm listening right now. Like SM radio, it is live but you can listen later too.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Simon-Barrett

Someone called in that lives 15 min from the Anthony's and said Greta was there on Sat. and so was LE at the Anthony's house. The lawyer wouldn't say why.

I'd love to know why LE was there. Any thoughts?

[Regina.Lampert]

I think we got our first glimpse of Casey when she called home from the jail in July.

transcript of call: http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/7/25/casey_anthony_calls_home_from_jail.html

audio of call: http://missingexploited.com/2008/08/24/casey-anthonys-phone-calls-from-jail-with-cindy-anthony-caylee-still-missing/

Oh yes we did. Right from the beginning when she snarled about cynthia having her "cameo." Showing us once again how jealous she is of not being the center of attention. Guess that little problem is solved for her. :sneaky:

Her snarky put down of Christine Chester who had the audacity to actually cry over Caylee, will go down in history as one of the most heartless, imo.

Yep, along with the 8/14 tape, the jury is going to love seeing the monster reveal herself, imo.

Good morning everyone.

[n/t]

I think the REAL Casey is much worse.
This was a TonEd down version cuz she realizes, and often mentions, the visits are being recorded and the media is going to have a field day with it ...
jmo

Her reaction to her "friends" taking the stand will be priceless. I think she'll be pissed.

[daHawg]

Good Morning,

BJ, I have no doubt LE already has the bag and its contents and they've had it since the day she picked it up.

Not sure if we'll get doc dumps today. I'm guessing a lot of the media focus will be on Martin Luther King and the upcoming Presidential Inauguration.
I posted last night that today was both of the search warrant returns and crime scene photos forgetting that it was a holiday.

Re: the trash lady. LE in a "kidnapping" suspected homicide and lot's of major cases can and will collect the trash 'covertly' whether it be going undercover as the "trashmen" just for the block and then turn the truck back over to the reg trashmen or meeting up with the trash truck at a undisclosed location to collect the trash bags but it is common for LE in a case to work with the city or county sanitation dept to collect trash from a target house. IMO from the stories of my father who was a detective and would tell the stories of going undercover as trash men driving a garbage truck to collect trash, and story in particular of how one of the guys stalled out the truck right in front of the target house. :rolleyes: If LE was doing this already when the lady took the trash they were probably none to happy about her bringing atten to the trash.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'd love to know why LE was there. Any thoughts?



Don't forget that Greta called over to her and asked how she was doing, because she looked upset, and cynthia replied not good.

I would guess that LE delivered bad news, possibly new evidence results that point to their monstrous daughter. imo.

[desmom]

you are probably right. maybe that side of her will come out in court. not likely but one can always hope.

I have visions of the prosecution witnesses going and coming from the witness stand testifying to Casey's behavior, the nanny, Casey taking over Mom and Dad's house, her Suzie Homemaker skills for TonE and friends, tattoo, manicure, her dad running over something with her car, her spending spree on her friend's bank accounts, text messages, clubbing etc during the June 16 - July 16 time period.

Will Casey be able to maintain her composure? Hmmm, if the 8-14-08 video is any indication of her temper, I vote no.

jmo

[n/t]

Oh yes we did. Right from the beginning when she snarled about cynthia having her "cameo." Showing us once again how jealous she is of not being the center of attention. Guess that little problem is solved for her. :sneaky:

Her snarky put down of Christine Chester who had the audacity to actually cry over Caylee, will go down in history as one of the most heartless, imo.

Yep, along with the 8/14 tape, the jury is going to love seeing the monster reveal herself, imo.

Good morning everyone.

We don't hear much about Christine. Who is she? I know she's a friend but how close were they? She was so devestated during that phone call. Poor kid. And Casey thought it was all a huge waste. Mind boggling.

[Jeepers]

Her reaction to her "friends" taking the stand will be priceless. I think she'll be pissed.

I agree, I don't think pissed will be the word when TonE gets on the stand!
Casey will get to listen to them recall all of her lies and unless she wants to get on the stand and rebute them, she will just have to sit there and take it. Which we know she ain't gonna get on the stand for nothing.

[SavannahStar]

I have visions of the prosecution witnesses going and coming from the witness stand testifying to Casey's behavior, the nanny, Casey taking over Mom and Dad's house, her Suzie Homemaker skills for TonE and friends, tattoo, manicure, her dad running over something with her car, her spending spree on her friend's bank accounts, text messages, clubbing etc during the June 16 - July 16 time period.

Will Casey be able to maintain her composure? Hmmm, if the 8-14-08 video is any indication of her temper, I vote no.

jmo

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.

[AMS]

Nancy Grace tonight -

New Video: Tot mom behind bars

Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal? Plus, even more video released of Casey Anthony behind bars. Nancy Grace has the latest on Monday at 8 & 10 P.M. ET.


Happy Monday!

[bluwaters]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.
'Morning all!
I agree SS. I think that she will be much as we saw her when she was forced to appear at the last hearing. The flat affect is her mask that she can retreat behind as her lies are revealed.
She sat in that last hearing and never even flinched while the lawyers and judge discussed photos of Caylee's remains and the autopsy.
She was not prepared to be there either, but she remained very neutral and aloof throughout the hearing.
It was an amazing thing for me to watch! :sad:

[Regina.Lampert]

We don't hear much about Christine. Who is she? I know she's a friend but how close were they? She was so devestated during that phone call. Poor kid. And Casey thought it was all a huge waste. Mind boggling.

Well, she had to be a close friend, because she was one of the few people with the anthonys when they received the jailhouse phone call. IIRC, she did sell a story to one of the scandal papers, unfortunately. Still, she's heard on tape expressing sadness over Caylee and the OC berates her for it. Priceless.

[FrankieBones1]

Good morning all!

I am just finishing the evening thread and have some thoughts..
Regarding the lady who took the garbage bag from the Anthony's curb close to the beginning...wouldn't it be interesting if LE collects it from her and can use the plastic bag to compare to the bags found at the crime scene? ((snipped only for length as per Coldwater's request about quoting long posts)).


Not only did LE probably take that bag but bags from Tony's apartment as well and other places Casey flopped for the night. There were a few other items in that trash bag that might have been of interest to LE as well such as the torn ball cap.

[Dells]

Is the court house open today? I know lots of places are closed for Martin Luther King day.....

I was thinking the same thing. I doubt the courts are open today because of the holiday. If we get anything, it will be tomorrow.

[daHawg]

'Morning all!
I agree SS. I think that she will be much as we saw her when she was forced to appear at the last hearing. The flat affect is her mask that she can retreat behind as her lies are revealed.
She sat in that last hearing and never even flinched while the lawyers and judge discussed photos of Caylee's remains and the autopsy.
She was not prepared to be there either, but she remained very neutral and aloof throughout the hearing.
It was an amazing thing for me to watch! :sad:

I too agree. The only "quiver" in her emotion that came was when Baez made mention that he had "her life in his hands". Once again when it is about "her" she will show some emotion just like at the presser at his office when he was talking about her she didn't start the fake croc tears until he said " 'she' was someones child".

[gstickley]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17429672/detail.html

This may have been discussed previously; however, I can't keep up with you people, & I just saw this slideshow.

Please check out #7 of slideshow of the 'trash bag lady'. IMO, it looks like she's holding up part of a book like the one Caylee was reading at the assisted living place on Father's Day. Or am I just imagining it?

[VII]

Her reaction to her "friends" taking the stand will be priceless. I think she'll be pissed.

From what I've heard some of the TH's say ... she threw a little hissy when ORDERED to the court room.

[bluwaters]

We don't hear much about Christine. Who is she? I know she's a friend but how close were they? She was so devestated during that phone call. Poor kid. And Casey thought it was all a huge waste. Mind boggling.
Christina is a friend of Casey's with a little boy about Caylee's age.
I can't recall how they met.
Christina said that she went shopping with Caylee and Casey the week after June 9. She was one of the first to refute that date as the last time that Caylee was seen. She also sold her story to a tabloid. Her theory by that time was that Casey had fed Caylee to alligators.
This comes from my feeble memory...

[Dells]

good post bjames. i just can't seem to get inside her head and figure her out. the casey i saw on the august 14th video is the only real casey i can see. i'm like you.... i just wish they would have caylee service and get on with this trial. it sickens me to try to fifure out what they are all waiting for. ok off to read ellegna's links she provided.

Don't forget Casey's first phone call from jail when she told Cindy, Lee, and Christina that calling them was a waste, a huge waste. That showed the true Casey Anthony as well.

[n/t]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.

She'll need a lot of coaching. And perhaps meds (tranquilizers), imo

[marshmallow]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.



I don't either. It will be the all about Casey hour and she'll lap up the spotlight. She seems to have an ability to consider attention to be all good. That's also why I think she'll do just fine in prison. Everything will be all about her and she can focus on herself.

[FrankieBones1]

Oh yes we did. Right from the beginning when she snarled about cynthia having her "cameo." Showing us once again how jealous she is of not being the center of attention. Guess that little problem is solved for her. :sneaky:

Her snarky put down of Christine Chester who had the audacity to actually cry over Caylee, will go down in history as one of the most heartless, imo.

Yep, along with the 8/14 tape, the jury is going to love seeing the monster reveal herself, imo.

Good morning everyone.
Was that the same day that Casey hounded her family for Tony's phone number? I hope they play that day's worth of videos at trial.

[VII]

Don't forget that Greta called over to her and asked how she was doing, because she looked upset, and cynthia replied not good.

I would guess that LE delivered bad news, possibly new evidence results that point to their monstrous daughter. imo.

Because Greta was there UNinvited?
just thinkin'

[Dells]

Oh I just had to go and re-listen to that audio. :mad:
Amazing. Truly truly amazing.
The little piece of work is sitting in jail and she's angry no one gives her TonE's number? Christina gets very emotional about Caylee being missing and Casey, not fizzed at all Christina is crying, spews calling you guys was a huge waste.

Stopping right here. BP rising

I know, that call is just so cold hearted. All she cares about is talking to TonE. She has no concern over her little girl or where she may be. Don't forget she tells Christina that she was arrested on a %^$%*&@ whim.:cursing: I can't wait to see the jury's reaction when the prosecution plays that phone call for them.

[Regina.Lampert]

She'll need a lot of coaching. And perhaps meds (tranquilizers), imo

She sure will. She is tone deaf when it comes to responding appropriately and normally to things. The jury has a real treat ahead, especially if she continues the flirting with baez.

I think linda kenney baden will attempt to whip her into shape, good luck linda.

[RockStarGirl]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.

Good Morning All.

I have visions of Diane Downs. She loved to talk also, but she was very flat at trial. IIRC. JMO

[Dells]

i had totally forgotten about that call. this girl is some piece of work. i think she may really think people believe her. who knows? how can one keep up with so many lies? you start off with one, then you have to tell another and the cycle continues...:cursing:

Exactly, not only did she expect people to believe her, but she wanted them to see her as a victim too. I bet she expected everyone to feel sorry for her because her little girl was gone and missing. She felt that she should have not had any accountability for that. I mean who has their child missing for 31 days w/out reporting it?

[Dells]

Her reaction to her "friends" taking the stand will be priceless. I think she'll be pissed.

Oh, I agree w/you. Her reaction will be priceless. That is if she even shows up in court. I bet she doesn't want to face everybody, so I would put it past her to not show up in court. Of course that will look so bad for her if she doesn't...

[Regina.Lampert]

Was that the same day that Casey hounded her family for Tony's phone number? I hope they play that day's worth of videos at trial.

Oh yes. What I really love is that after she has been begging for Lazarro's phone number, Christine asks her if he had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance and the OC says no. Then why all the interests in him? She then gives a snarky answer about him being her boyfriend and she didn't get to talk to him. ALL WHILE HER DAUGHTER IS MISSING.

Oh boy, any jury would be amazed by that tape. imo.

[VII]

I don't either. It will be the all about Casey hour and she'll lap up the spotlight. She seems to have an ability to consider attention to be all good. That's also why I think she'll do just fine in prison. Everything will be all about her and she can focus on herself.

Not really, she doesn't like only having herself to comfort her, according the the visit w/G and C. Can't imagine why ... :huh:

[ellegna]

I was thinking the same thing. I doubt the courts are open today because of the holiday. If we get anything, it will be tomorrow.

Just a sugestion....When I worked for the Ontario Gov't and something major had to be done, holiday or not, we were required to report for work. We didn't mind because we were paid double time :tongue: so maybe someone is working today preparing the documents for release?

[desmom]

We don't hear much about Christine. Who is she? I know she's a friend but how close were they? She was so devestated during that phone call. Poor kid. And Casey thought it was all a huge waste. Mind boggling.

Didn't she do an interview with The Globe or National Enquirer?

[callmetree]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.

i tend to agree with you on this SS. but i'll still keep everything crossed and hope she gets angry. i think her sitting there showing no emotion will hurt her just as bad as her getting mad though. please let's all hope the croc tears (gag) don't appear. i hope the jury is smart enough to see through those tears if she can squeeze them out.

[n/t]

Oh, I agree w/you. Her reaction will be priceless. That is if she even shows up in court. I bet she doesn't want to face everybody, so I would put it past her to not show up in court. Of course that will look so bad for her if she doesn't...

She has to. No choice there.

[desmom]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.

You are probably right....but a girl can wish :D

[RockStarGirl]

Made me want to reach through the phone and smack her so hard. She's got some nasty tude that one. She's exposed and she can't hack it. How can Cindy stand up for her?

What did she mean Casey isn't just from Florida?

Her only concern is she wants to talk to her boyfriend, Tony, but doesn't know his number?

Is it me, why is everyone afraid of Casey, the bully? What is up with that?

YES! I am so sick of them calling her sweetheart and handling her just right, walking on egg shells. They are so afraid she will "blow up". Especially when she is in jail, who cares if she blows up? I guess if they are physically afraid of her they might not want to upset her at home, but while she is in jail. They let her push them around so much. "Calm down Honey. OK, here is your Dad." when she was mad that Cindy kept asking her questions. WTH? I don't get it.

[Regina.Lampert]

Because Greta was there UNinvited?
just thinkin'

I don't know about that. Greta interviewed their attorny Brad Conway, so I think they were aware she was coming. I think cynthia was upset because of the investigators arrival.

[VII]

She has to. No choice there.

BUT, actress that she is ....
what IF she disrupts the court w/one of her fits.
Would she THEN be sitting elsewhere watching it via live feed?
THEN she wouldn't have to actually FACE her accusers ...
which in HER mind,
would have her ~disconnected~ from the case ...
"out of the loop" if you will :sneaky:

[SavannahStar]

Didn't she do an interview with The Globe or National Enquirer?

I think that was Kiomarie????

[VII]

I don't know about that. Greta interviewed their attorny Brad Conway, so I think they were aware she was coming. I think cynthia was upset because of the investigators arrival.

ah .... I can see how upSETTING it would be to be in the midst of more
carp
and bad timing has LE to show up at the same time :ohmy:

[Dells]

Oh yes. What I really love is that after she has been begging for Lazarro's phone number, Christine asks her if he had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance and the OC says no. Then why all the interests in him? She then gives a snarky answer about him being her boyfriend and she didn't get to talk to him. ALL WHILE HER DAUGHTER IS MISSING.

Oh boy, any jury would be amazed by that tape. imo.

The funny thing is that TonE didn't even want to talk to her when she called. IIRC, he hung up on her.

[desmom]

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17429672/detail.html

This may have been discussed previously; however, I can't keep up with you people, & I just saw this slideshow.

Please check out #7 of slideshow of the 'trash bag lady'. IMO, it looks like she's holding up part of a book like the one Caylee was reading at the assisted living place on Father's Day. Or am I just imagining it?

The woman said it was doll magazine in the video. I think it is An Amercian Doll magazine. jmo

http://www.wftv.com/video/17429655/index.html

[RockStarGirl]

Oh yes. What I really love is that after she has been begging for Lazarro's phone number, Christine asks her if he had anything to do with Caylee's disappearance and the OC says no. Then why all the interests in him? She then gives a snarky answer about him being her boyfriend and she didn't get to talk to him. ALL WHILE HER DAUGHTER IS MISSING.

Oh boy, any jury would be amazed by that tape. imo.

Oh, and let us not forget, "All they want is Caylee back." In her how dare they not care about me voice. Oh yeah, and by the way, I want Caylee too, that was convincing right? Everyone believes me right?

[Dells]

She has to. No choice there.

Oh good! I thought I had read that she could waive her right to appear in court if she wanted to. I certainly hope that she doesn't have that easy out.

[summer4meplz]

I think that was Kiomarie????


IIRC Kristine did too...she said she thinks casey might have fed Caylee to the alligators....

and good morning everyone!!

[VII]

YES! I am so sick of them calling her sweetheart and handling her just right, walking on egg shells. They are so afraid she will "blow up". Especially when she is in jail, who cares if she blows up? I guess if they are physically afraid of her they might not want to upset her at home, but while she is in jail. They let her push them around so much. "Calm down Honey. OK, here is your Dad." when she was mad that Cindy kept asking her questions. WTH? I don't get it.

jmo
when one is dealing with an OC, like Casey, one must placate them in order to get more info - ie.... you can draw more flies w/honey.
In other words, if they make the OC believe they are all about HER then she is more likely to talk. imo, Casey was on the verge of getting up and stomping off if they didn't "let her talk" soooo, thus the "Honey's" and all. They've LIVED with the OC for 2o+ years and have ALways handled her w/satin gloves, else, they'd incur the wrath of Satan. She manipulates people with her anger and it works quite well.

[RockStarGirl]

Except when they played the song, "Hungery Like A Wolf". :mad:

Oh, thats right, forgot about that one.

I don't know. Casey loved to talk so much and she really doesn't believe all these people think it is a big deal that she killed her baby. She will probably want to testify. I know there is no way in he77 that her attornies would allow that, but you never know. Baez has screwed up so much so far, maybe? Just wishful thinking, as always. JMO.

[Dells]

IIRC Kristine did too...she said she thinks casey might have fed Caylee to the alligators....

and good morning everyone!!

I find it very interesting that not one of Casey's friends are standing by her or believe her. That is so telling.

[RockStarGirl]

jmo
when one is dealing with an OC, like Casey, one must placate them in order to get more info - ie.... you can draw more flies w/honey.
In other words, if they make the OC believe they are all about HER then she is more likely to talk. imo, Casey was on the verge of getting up and stomping off if they didn't "let her talk" soooo, thus the "Honey's" and all. They've LIVED with the OC for 2o+ years and have ALways handled her w/satin gloves, else, they'd incur the wrath of Satan. She manipulates people with her anger and it works quite well.

Yes, I agree with you there, but are they just so far gone that they can't realize that it is obvious that she isn't going to tell them anything? I guess they realize it now, hence no visits, at least that is what I hope, but damn! I think that I would have gotten so frustrated that they would have kicked me out. I would have screamed that she better tell the truth. It is obvious they think she knows more than she is saying or they wouldn't continue to question her in there ridiculous way, ie: "pretend you are the CEO of a large conglomerate" (sp?) UGH!!!

[Dells]

Oh, thats right, forgot about that one.

I don't know. Casey loved to talk so much and she really doesn't believe all these people think it is a big deal that she killed her baby. She will probably want to testify. I know there is no way in he77 that her attornies would allow that, but you never know. Baez has screwed up so much so far, maybe? Just wishful thinking, as always. JMO.

Well, lucky for the prosecution that they don't even need her to testify. Her phone calls home, her LE interrogation tapes, and her jail house visits give a pretty accurate account about the real Casey.

[really3997]

Since I have never been in trouble with the law I have a question. Conway thinks that LE is coming after the A's for charges almost telling them too. Then you hear reports from the news that LE has not intentions of filing charges. My question is could the FBI be filing charges on them instead think it is LE. Conway seems cocky as if they have what they need on LE to beat the charges but will they with the FBI. It just seems that this is the direction it is going in.

[really3997]

I find it very interesting that not one of Casey's friends are standing by her or believe her. That is so telling.

Not to mention any extended family members

[SavannahStar]

IIRC Kristine did too...she said she thinks casey might have fed Caylee to the alligators....

and good morning everyone!!


Okay thanks. Geez my head spins trying to remember everything! Ack!

[RockStarGirl]

It is mind blowing they are handling her with kid gloves while she is behind bars. Let her blow up and spill!!

I'm starting to get why Cindy is standing up for Casey now. So her daughter won't be mad at her anymore? She's afraid of Casey.

Again, it is crazy to watch. I can't watch these videos. I can't watch Casey tell lie after lie. I can't watch Cindy support it. I can't watch George call her gorgeous and beautiful and make up cute little annalogies, etc. I have a child that can be very angry and manipulative and when I've had enough, I lose it. It would make Cindy and George feel BETTER if they would just scream at her to tell them SOMETHING. Tell her you know she is lying!!

[callmetree]

Oh good! I thought I had read that she could waive her right to appear in court if she wanted to. I certainly hope that she doesn't have that easy out.

morning dells. landshark told me on the board the day they made her come to the hearing ,that she DID NOT have appear at the trial. to me it looks bad enough that she dosen't go to the hearings and in my opinion it will really look bad if she dosen't appear at her trial. i guess we'll just have to wait and see.....:glare:

[BrownEyedF]

Because Greta was there UNinvited?
just thinkin'



How do you get that Greta was uninvited? She was there to interview the Anthony's attorney Brad Conway at his invitation.

[trich]

i had totally forgotten about that call. this girl is some piece of work. i think she may really think people believe her. who knows? how can one keep up with so many lies? you start off with one, then you have to tell another and the cycle continues...:cursing:

Actually when you think about it... she is not able to keep up with the lies.
That is why she looks and sounds so foolish.
I think Casey thinks for the moment and does not consider or even think about the fact that every action causes a reaction.
She does or says things without thinking about what this will mean in the future even the near future.
It is like not seeing past the nose on your face....just do it with no thought of the consequences.
Well hopefully this is all going to come back and bite her on the "fanny" big time.

[desmom]

Didn't she do an interview with The Globe or National Enquirer?

Sorry for quoting myself. I knew I had seen something in one of the tabloids with Kristina Chester.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=3371.msg449717#msg449717

[daHawg]

IIRC Kristine did too...she said she thinks casey might have fed Caylee to the alligators....

and good morning everyone!!

Yup, Kristine was the Globe and Kio was the Enquirer.

All I could find was a pic of the cover from Kristines issue of the Globe.

http://www.magazine-agent.com/globe-magazine/covers?c=1&cov=COVER0022515.JPG&pg=2

[jammies]

Since I have never been in trouble with the law I have a question. Conway thinks that LE is coming after the A's for charges almost telling them too. Then you hear reports from the news that LE has not intentions of filing charges. My question is could the FBI be filing charges on them instead think it is LE. Conway seems cocky as if they have what they need on LE to beat the charges but will they with the FBI. It just seems that this is the direction it is going in.


Good question. Maybe it IS the FBI they are so afraid of. Good. They thought NOTHING of lying to them. No way in hell would I lie to the FBI. The A's were cocky and sure of themselves back then.

[n/t]

Yup, Kristine was the Globe and Kio was the Enquirer.

All I could find was a pic of the cover from Kristines issue of the Globe.

http://www.magazine-agent.com/globe-magazine/covers?c=1&cov=COVER0022515.JPG&pg=2

OMG! Where did they get that picture? Gotta love these tabloids. LOL


Thanks to desmom also for providing another link.

[Regina.Lampert]

Oh, and let us not forget, "All they want is Caylee back." In her how dare they not care about me voice. Oh yeah, and by the way, I want Caylee too, that was convincing right? Everyone believes me right?

Yep, that tape is a gold mine for the prosecution, ain't it? You'd think her first and only question to mommy and daddy, would be "Is there any news of Caylee?" What a monster she truly is, imo.

There is no spinning this tape either, imo.

[msgatorslayer]

She'll need a lot of coaching. And perhaps meds (tranquilizers), imo

G'morning everyone!

Coaching? Baez best find another 'expert' for that one. LMAO. Her cameo appearance in front of the cameras at his side wasn't very convincing.

[bluwaters]

Oh, I agree w/you. Her reaction will be priceless. That is if she even shows up in court. I bet she doesn't want to face everybody, so I would put it past her to not show up in court. Of course that will look so bad for her if she doesn't...
I have a feeling that Judge Strickland is going to require her attendance, even if she tries to waive it. If I understood him correctly at the last hearing, he has the authority to do so.
It seems that the absence of the defendant during the trial could raise some appellate issues.
Casey's preferred approach is "Ignorance is bliss."
I don't think that she will be allowed to avoid the trial.

[Regina.Lampert]

jmo
when one is dealing with an OC, like Casey, one must placate them in order to get more info - ie.... you can draw more flies w/honey.
In other words, if they make the OC believe they are all about HER then she is more likely to talk. imo, Casey was on the verge of getting up and stomping off if they didn't "let her talk" soooo, thus the "Honey's" and all. They've LIVED with the OC for 2o+ years and have ALways handled her w/satin gloves, else, they'd incur the wrath of Satan. She manipulates people with her anger and it works quite well.

You are so right about this and remember, this visit was against baez's advice. I can see why they coddled her, they wanted information about Caylee and were willing to do anything to get it without setting off the casey timebomb.

In the end it didn't matter tho, they got nothing and she became enraged anyway.

[jammies]

Yep, that tape is a gold mine for the prosecution, ain't it? You'd think her first and only question to mommy and daddy, would be "Is there any news of Caylee?" What a monster she truly is, imo.

There is no spinning this tape either, imo.


The only time she ever talks about Caylee is when they remind her. Then she blows up. The LAST thing she wants to discuss is her "missing" daughter. She's only happy when they fawn over HER.

Cindy at least looks like she wants to jump through the camera but GA makes me ill with his "hey beautiful" etc.

[callmetree]

I have a feeling that Judge Strickland is going to require her attendance, even if she tries to waive it. If I understood him correctly at the last hearing, he has the authority to do so.
It seems that the absence of the defendant during the trial could raise some appellate issues.
Casey's preferred approach is "Ignorance is bliss."
I don't think that she will be allowed to avoid the trial.

morning blu. i certainly hope you are right on this.:smile:

[*MoonRider*]

Good question. Maybe it IS the FBI they are so afraid of. Good. They thought NOTHING of lying to them. No way in hell would I lie to the FBI. The A's were cocky and sure of themselves back then.

Good Morning. It seems the cockiness has rubbed off on Conway as seen on his interview with Geraldo. IMO

Regina, sorry about your Ravens

[Regina.Lampert]

Since I have never been in trouble with the law I have a question. Conway thinks that LE is coming after the A's for charges almost telling them too. Then you hear reports from the news that LE has not intentions of filing charges. My question is could the FBI be filing charges on them instead think it is LE. Conway seems cocky as if they have what they need on LE to beat the charges but will they with the FBI. It just seems that this is the direction it is going in.

You have a good point. If they were stupid enough to lie to the FBI, about a material fact in this investigation, they will be charged, imo. Just ask Martha Steward about what happens when you do that.

[gstickley]

The woman said it was doll magazine in the video. I think it is An Amercian Doll magazine. jmo

http://www.wftv.com/video/17429655/index.html

Thanks, desmom. Guess I zigged when I should have zagged.

[jammies]

Good Morning. It seems the cockiness has rubbed off on Conway as seen on his interview with Geraldo. IMO

Regina, sorry about your Ravens


Let's see how long Conway lasts. What do they need an attorney for anyway if they are telling the truth?? (haha)

[joolz]

Actually when you think about it... she is not able to keep up with the lies.
That is why she looks and sounds so foolish.
I think Casey thinks for the moment and does not consider or even think about the fact that every action causes a reaction.
She does or says things without thinking about what this will mean in the future even the near future.
It is like not seeing past the nose on your face....just do it with no thought of the consequences.
Well hopefully this is all going to come back and bite her on the "fanny" big time.


ITA Trich, and that's why I don't agree when people talk about how smart she is. Casey isn't that smart, she's just a pathological liar (well, she's more than that) who can't think past her own lies or responses.

I suspect she has never been made to face the consequences of her lies or acts, so she has no real-life training in the fact that for every action there is a reaction and consequence. Her grandiosity has been fed all her life - and I think it definitely is ALL coming back to bite her in the butt. And hopefully, keep her in prison for the rest of her life. jmo

[bluwaters]

Not really, she doesn't like only having herself to comfort her, according the the visit w/G and C. Can't imagine why ... :huh:
She never even realizes that she should be showing concern over Caylee's comfort.
How can she be comforted by anyone at all while her child is missing?
It gives me the *shudders* to think that she knew Caylee was dead and thrown like garbage into the scrub.
Yet, she believes herself entitled to comfort.

Casey - who was comforting Caylee?

[callmetree]

You have a good point. If they were stupid enough to lie to the FBI, about a material fact in this investigation, they will be charged, imo. Just ask Martha Steward about what happens when you do that.

regina, i asked this question but don't think i ever got an answer. since george went before the grand jury does that mean he can not take the 5th. won't he be required to give the same testimony or go to jail for lying? we all need to be lawyers to keep up with whats what in this case.:blink:

[jammies]

Why didn't mommy and daddy say "Why don't you want to know about Caylee"?


Why didn't they ask her why she lied to LE? Why didn't they ask her what she was doing all that time when she said she was working? Why didn't they ask her a ZILLION things? They all live in lala land.

I would have DEMANDED to know where my grandbaby was and if she got mad, TOUGH. I would tell her we were DONE backing her up and would come out to the media that Yes, she killed her baby. Cut her off COMPLETELY. At the very least, it would make ME feel better.

[Mairi II]

If I have to watch her poke her eyes then search her fingertips for tears one more time I'm gonna barf.

I couldn't even watch the 8/14 tape more than 10 minutes because I realized I was clenching my teeth so hard.

She always does that - annoys the H out of me. When she had the PC with Baez, she was doing the same thing. I figured she's doing that to avoid making eye contact with anyone.

[bluwaters]

YES! I am so sick of them calling her sweetheart and handling her just right, walking on egg shells. They are so afraid she will "blow up". Especially when she is in jail, who cares if she blows up? I guess if they are physically afraid of her they might not want to upset her at home, but while she is in jail. They let her push them around so much. "Calm down Honey. OK, here is your Dad." when she was mad that Cindy kept asking her questions. WTH? I don't get it.
I think they were hoping against hope that Caylee was alive.
They did not want to alienate Casey as she was the only one who knew what happened.
C&G were desperate to find Caylee.
They didn't want Casey to cut off communication with them.

[bluwaters]

The funny thing is that TonE didn't even want to talk to her when she called. IIRC, he hung up on her.
He had already gone to LE by the time she was arrested, IIRC.

[trich]

Why didn't mommy and daddy say "Why don't you want to know about Caylee"?

Why didn''t mommy and daddy say "What did you do to Caylee"
or "We want to know why you killed Caylee"...nobody in the family knows how to just say what they need to say to Casey.

[bluwaters]

Since I have never been in trouble with the law I have a question. Conway thinks that LE is coming after the A's for charges almost telling them too. Then you hear reports from the news that LE has not intentions of filing charges. My question is could the FBI be filing charges on them instead think it is LE. Conway seems cocky as if they have what they need on LE to beat the charges but will they with the FBI. It just seems that this is the direction it is going in.

Hi really!
Refresh my poor memory please. Was it at the end of the FBI interview that Cindy gets so bothered about having to swear to her statement?
It is a crime to lie to the FBI.
I don't think that Cindy knew that, especially since she stated that it's not a crime to lie, and Casey was in jail charged with giving false statements to LE!

Is there any action at the A's house?

Do you know if any protesters have been there since Caylee's remains were found?

TIA! :seeya:

[SavannahStar]

Why didn't they ask her why she lied to LE? Why didn't they ask her what she was doing all that time when she said she was working? Why didn't they ask her a ZILLION things? They all live in lala land.

I would have DEMANDED to know where my grandbaby was and if she got mad, TOUGH. I would tell her we were DONE backing her up and would come out to the media that Yes, she killed her baby. Cut her off COMPLETELY. At the very least, it would make ME feel better.

Yeh well people don't always do what WE think they should do. We can bang our heads against the wall, but bottom line is people are different. We can post until we are blue in the face about what the Anthonys "should have" done but in the end, it's just so much verbage. The Anthonys are doing what THEY want to do, and feel is right, in their position. I'm just not bashing them for it. There but for the grace of God, go I.

[jammies]

Why didn''t mommy and daddy say "What did you do to Caylee"
or "We want to know why you killed Caylee"...nobody in the family knows how to just say what they need to say to Casey.


The way they treat her makes me think the whole "Cindy made Casey keep her baby" story exactly that: a story. There is no way they ever "made" her do anything.

[SavannahStar]

I think they were hoping against hope that Caylee was alive.
They did not want to alienate Casey as she was the only one who knew what happened.
C&G were desperate to find Caylee.
They didn't want Casey to cut off communication with them.


You nailed it, blu.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning. It seems the cockiness has rubbed off on Conway as seen on his interview with Geraldo. IMO

Regina, sorry about your Ravens

Thank you Moonie (http://209.85.122.83/0/139/0/e2704//e2704.gif)

I think Conway's remarks about Kronk were very inappropriate, especially since if not for him, Caylee would still be lying in that swamp.

[jammies]

I know why didn't they do all this and more? I don't think it is living in la la land. I think it is fear of Casey. I want to know why.

Good point, s. Human nature would have MOST people DEMANDING info from her. At the point of this latest jail visit, it had been a month since she was arrested. I would have been out of my mind and no way would I be able to contain myself. Defies logic on the A's part.

Casey holding family secrets? Can't think of anything else that would hold them back. Nothing ELSE seems to restrain Cindy. She blasts everyone else yet becomes a different person with her own murdering daughter.

[marshmallow]

The only time she ever talks about Caylee is when they remind her. Then she blows up. The LAST thing she wants to discuss is her "missing" daughter. She's only happy when they fawn over HER.

Cindy at least looks like she wants to jump through the camera but GA makes me ill with his "hey beautiful" etc.

one thing I can't get out of my head is the reaction from her parents after that visit.

[Regina.Lampert]

regina, i asked this question but don't think i ever got an answer. since george went before the grand jury does that mean he can not take the 5th. won't he be required to give the same testimony or go to jail for lying? we all need to be lawyers to keep up with whats what in this case.:blink:

I'm pretty sure george is locked into his testimony before the grand jury, if he deviates from that at trial, the prosecution will whip it out and impeach him with it, imo.

[jammies]

one thing I can't get out of my head is the reaction from her parents after that visit.


I forget? Can you remind me?

[Kathlb]

Nothing going on today? It is early, the day hasn't even started yet. Catch up by reading the thread. Thanks.

Not that early, check the time zones. It's 10 am in Orlando. The day has been started for awhile now. I doubt we'll see any releases today but we'll see.

[Kathlb]

I'm pretty sure george is locked into his testimony before the grand jury, if he deviates from that at trial, the prosecution will whip it out and impeach him with it, imo.

I agree, and I don't think they have heard the last of it from the FBI yet either. The FBI takes a dim view of being lied to and will do something about it.

[Regina.Lampert]

Why didn't they ask her why she lied to LE? Why didn't they ask her what she was doing all that time when she said she was working? Why didn't they ask her a ZILLION things? They all live in lala land.

I would have DEMANDED to know where my grandbaby was and if she got mad, TOUGH. I would tell her we were DONE backing her up and would come out to the media that Yes, she killed her baby. Cut her off COMPLETELY. At the very least, it would make ME feel better.

It's amazing, isn't it Jammies. What truly gets me tho, is that after this tape 8/14, she was bonded out and went home. Why didn't they get all those answers then?

I tell ya, I will have much more respect for george if we learn that the report of him almost choking casey anthony in a search for answers turns out to be true.

[Kathlb]

A while now? 9 a.m. is the typical start of the day.

We've got at least till 5 or 6 p.m.

I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you on Martin Luther King day. But maybe I'll be wrong, that would be nice to have a release today.

[msgatorslayer]

A while now? 9 a.m. is the typical start of the day.

We've got at least till 5 or 6 p.m.

Today is a Holiday. MLK Day. Courts are closed.

[desmom]

I forget? Can you remind me?

George & Cindy arriving at jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7205820&version=1&locale=EN-US

George & Cindy leaving jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7207005&version=1&locale=EN-US

[playnice]

Maybe the media will tell us why the cops were back at A's friday if they even know about it.

[RockStarGirl]

Why didn't mommy and daddy say "Why don't you want to know about Caylee"?

Sorry, catching up again. I have to keep popping in and out, trying to get some work done today.

Anyway, I did love it when Cindy told her that her focus should not be on her "case" but on Caylee. About time someone said that. JMO

[Explorer]

The documents are supposed to be realeased ny moment now cnn breaking news

[Regina.Lampert]

Right..hey darlin..he swore to tell the truth to the grand jury..he will be is so much trouble if he tells a different story now..

Hey pretty girl!!! :seeya:

[marshmallow]

George & Cindy arriving at jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7205820&version=1&locale=EN-US

George & Cindy leaving jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7207005&version=1&locale=EN-US



thank you Desmom!! I was trying to find those :)

[callmetree]

I'm pretty sure george is locked into his testimony before the grand jury, if he deviates from that at trial, the prosecution will whip it out and impeach him with it, imo.

thanks. i was hoping that was the answer i was going to get. wonder if he will risk trying to sway from his testimony any? it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[marshmallow]

George & Cindy arriving at jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7205820&version=1&locale=EN-US

George & Cindy leaving jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7207005&version=1&locale=EN-US



the pain on their faces hurts me to see. how must they have felt? now that we know what was said, it makes it even worse. they spent 45 fruitless minutes with their daughter and took away nothing...no hope, no joy, no info., no nothing ...

[callmetree]

It's amazing, isn't it Jammies. What truly gets me tho, is that after this tape 8/14, she was bonded out and went home. Why didn't they get all those answers then?

I tell ya, I will have much more respect for george if we learn that the report of him almost choking casey anthony in a search for answers turns out to be true.

something else i must have missed. when did this happen?

[jammies]

George & Cindy arriving at jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7205820&version=1&locale=EN-US

George & Cindy leaving jail on 8/14/08 http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=7207005&version=1&locale=EN-US


Thanks, des. Watched when they came out. They look beaten down.

[RockStarGirl]

Good point. Cindy has no problem blasting neighbors, the media, the LE and message boards, but can't do that to Casey?? Something very wrong with this picture.

Also, I just found it extremely inappropriate the way that George answers her when she asks why is Cindy crying already. "Because we haven't seen you." OMG, I'm thinking to myself, Umm maybe because our granddaughter is still missing. You won't tell us the truth. We are terrified you did something to her. We want to believe that someone ficticious stole her, but that is getting harder and harder to believe. Any of those things would have sat better with me. But no, we must make sure that Casey knows that she is our focus, Oh and Caylee too. Both of you must be our focus. You know that right, Casey? Don't get mad sweetheart. ACK!!:scared:

[SavannahStar]

the pain on their faces hurts me to see. how must they have felt? now that we know what was said, it makes it even worse. they spent 45 fruitless minutes with their daughter and took away nothing...no hope, no joy, no info., no nothing ...

Well said!

[IM4Truth]

Today is a Holiday. MLK Day. Courts are closed.

Do you know for sure? We went through this on another holiday and some county courts in different counties were open. I think IIRC Orange County was open and others were closed. I'm thinking when the judge set the order for 01/19 he wasn't thinking of the MLK Day.

[IM4Truth]

Someone earlier mentioned the cameras at Amscot and I don't know if that was answered as I haven't caught up reading yet. Yes, there are cameras there but the ones I saw were aimed directly at the front door. However, that is a busy intersection and there are other businesses all around so there could very well be some video.

[AJandTam]

I saw the book too and wondered the same thing !

Para, I watched that tape last night. IIRC, she made a comment on they weren't going to be ordering anymore dolls when she picked up that book. I don't think it was a childrens book. I think it was a catalogue for dolls.

[Explorer]

On cnn news caylee blog it said documents just handed to defence will Cnn will realease as soon as they get them

[Regina.Lampert]

something else i must have missed. when did this happen?

Hiya Tree. Leonard Padilla has maintained consistently, that george went into casey's bedroom and tried to choke answers out of her. We were discussing this yesterday and apparently there are other reports of george storming out of the house, so some of us put 2 and 2 together on this. May not be accurate, but I tend to believe Padilla on this one.

[IM4Truth]

I saw the book too and wondered the same thing !

I don't think so. On the video, she opens a few pages and it looks like a paper catalogue of some kind. From what I could see it sort of looked like one from American Dolls. It wasn't a hard cover book though.

[IM4Truth]

On cnn news caylee blog it said documents just handed to defence will Cnn will realease as soon as they get them

YAY! I hope so!!

[desmom]

Do you know for sure? We went through this on another holiday and some county courts in different counties were open. I think IIRC Orange County was open and others were closed. I'm thinking when the judge set the order for 01/19 he wasn't thinking of the MLK Day.

http://orangeclerk.onetgov.net/

NOTICE: The Orange County Clerk of Courts Office and the County Courthouse will be closed on January 19th in observance of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.

[Regina.Lampert]

On cnn news caylee blog it said documents just handed to defence will Cnn will realease as soon as they get them

Thank you so much for keeping us up to date Explorer. :thumbsup:

[AJandTam]

I don't think so. On the video, she opens a few pages and it looks like a paper catalogue of some kind. From what I could see it sort of looked like one from American Dolls. It wasn't a hard cover book though.

Right IM4, I just posted that. The trash lady made a comment about them not needing anymore dolls or not ordering anymore dolls or something like that.

[Lavenia]

Good morning everyone! :seeya:

I thought of something last night that Casey has to deal with in jail. People yell things from cell to cell anyway, but when a segregated prisoner, such as herself, is moved around the jail; to visitation, shower, etc., OMG, the yelling is crazy! And it won't be good. They're ruthless.

I wonder how "frustrated" that makes her? :scared:

[court~critic1®]

Question here........Just because George went before the GJ does that mean he said anything against Cassy? He may have had only glowing remarks for her. As he seems prone to have.....TIA

:confused:

[desmom]

Anthony Attorney Expected To Seek Change Of Venue
http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

The trial will likely be moved to another metropolitan area like Jacksonville or Miami.

But it is possible for jurors from other parts of the state to be brought to Orlando and sequestered.

[IM4Truth]

Right..hey darlin..he swore to tell the truth to the grand jury..he will be is so much trouble if he tells a different story now..

George totally understands what swearing under oath means. He appeared to tell the truth the OSCO detectives, FBI, and the grand jury. The only time he told different stories was to the media while he was under Cindy's control. I don't believe she will be able to control him in a courtroom. She probably won't even be allowed to be in the courtroom when he testifies.

[*MoonRider*]

On cnn news caylee blog it said documents just handed to defence will Cnn will realease as soon as they get them
One of our fellow posters had a list of the motions and when they had to be turned over to the defense. Does anyone have it? TIA

[really3997]

Hi really!
Refresh my poor memory please. Was it at the end of the FBI interview that Cindy gets so bothered about having to swear to her statement?
It is a crime to lie to the FBI.
I don't think that Cindy knew that, especially since she stated that it's not a crime to lie, and Casey was in jail charged with giving false statements to LE!

Is there any action at the A's house?

Do you know if any protesters have been there since Caylee's remains were found?

TIA! :seeya:

Sorry I was away from the puter...I have not seen any protestors or news van on that street for awhile they mostly go to the crime scene now. I just have a feeling that it is the FBI that will bring charges and that is why LE can tell the media that they have no plans of doing this. I don't remember which interview that was they are all starting to blend. Conway just seems to cocky that LE has nothing...Off to real today will check back later....

[happygert]

Just checking in any news today? Probably not since it MLK day...but have to ask...

[Loves2Read]

the pain on their faces hurts me to see. how must they have felt? now that we know what was said, it makes it even worse. they spent 45 fruitless minutes with their daughter and took away nothing...no hope, no joy, no info., no nothing ...

I truly believe they were in pain. They were mourning the loss of Caylee. They knew she was dead and gone and that their daughter did it. That visit had just brought that fact home even more. IMO

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning everyone! :seeya:

I thought of something last night that Casey has to deal with in jail. People yell things from cell to cell anyway, but when a segregated prisoner, such as herself, is moved around the jail; to visitation, shower, etc., OMG, the yelling is crazy! And it won't be good. They're ruthless.

I wonder how "frustrated" that makes her? :scared:

Good morning and thank you for making me smile.

[IM4Truth]

Question here........Just because George went before the GJ does that mean he said anything against Cassy? He may have had only glowing remarks for her. As he seems prone to have.....TIA

:confused:

The way I heard it is that in the GJ people all set around a large table and are presented damaging evidence. I hardly doubt George would have said anything glowing about her. I believe he spoke the truth. Didn't you hear his testimonies to OCSO and the FBI? Did you find very much of that glowing?

[Lavenia]

Question here........Just because George went before the GJ does that mean he said anything against Cassy? He may have had only glowing remarks for her. As he seems prone to have.....TIA

:confused:

He swore to tell the truth and since they had prior statements to compare with, he must have been consistent with those statements, IMO.

[Mimi428]

Except when they played the song, "Hungery Like A Wolf". :mad:

Yep. Gives me the cold chills remembering that, & that was over 20 years ago. I have been hoping that during the investigation LE has found something or another which might be a trigger for revealing the real Casey, like that song was for Diane Downs.

JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Do you know for sure? We went through this on another holiday and some county courts in different counties were open. I think IIRC Orange County was open and others were closed. I'm thinking when the judge set the order for 01/19 he wasn't thinking of the MLK Day.

I know all courts, banks, schools, etc, are closed in the Tampa area. My paper said so, lol.

But I see that CNN is now saying they will be released today, so...I guess we wait.

[jammies]

On cnn news caylee blog it said documents just handed to defence will Cnn will realease as soon as they get them



Thanks, Explorer!


Hey, Sedation:

Looks like the day WAS young! :biggrin:

[desmom]

I checked all the major news outlets websites and all I could find was this from NG's website: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal? Plus, even more video released of Casey Anthony behind bars. Nancy Grace has the latest on Monday at 8 & 10 P.M. ET.

[SavannahStar]

Savannah, I think what makes it so hard is knowing that cindy's own family tried to talk to her about casey. Also, when something goes down in a family you usually don't see the rest of the whole family coddle and still enable the one who is the problem.
jmo

I don't know. I can't say what is "usually" the case. I think blu's response was best (upthread).

[bluwaters]

the pain on their faces hurts me to see. how must they have felt? now that we know what was said, it makes it even worse. they spent 45 fruitless minutes with their daughter and took away nothing...no hope, no joy, no info., no nothing ...

Cindy had an epiphany during that visit, IMO.
This is where she clearly sees that the rumors of Caylee's death are true.
Her denial swung right into place as soon as she was outside again.
I think the tragedy of this tape is that it is Cindy's moment of clarity.
She is shocked that Casey will not discuss Caylee and has no concern for Caylee or interest in searches, tips, leads, etc.
Nothing is there.
Cindy knows that Caylee is gone.

The longer that Cindy stays out of the press, the more sympathy I have for her. Every time I post that, she does something that is infuriating! It's really a shame for C&G's own sake that they did not steer clear of the media camped out at their house.

[Explorer]

go to caylee anthony cnn breaking news word press. It said docs turned over to defence. Cnn will turn realease them asap about 30 minuites ago.

[destiny1]

I had a chance this weekend to really go over the tape of Casey with her parents, and I must say, these people, despite their subsequent crimminal behavior and obnoxiousness, are totally beaten down. I see two very sad, frightened, and lost people.

They have been awful, but I think that they are more afraid of Casey and her wrath than they are of being maligned by the media.

Sadly, they don't seem to be afraid of the consequences of lying to the FBI and OCSD.

These people were falling apart, and are IMO, totally irrational in their endeavors to defend what they see as "what is left" of their family.

[SavannahStar]

I truly believe they were in pain. They were mourning the loss of Caylee. They knew she was dead and gone and that their daughter did it. That visit had just brought that fact home even more. IMO

Exactly. Exactly.

[IM4Truth]

I truly believe they were in pain. They were mourning the loss of Caylee. They knew she was dead and gone and that their daughter did it. That visit had just brought that fact home even more. IMO

Yes, but after she was bailed out they did a very quick turnaround in standing up for her. I believe she did tell them more when she got home. However, I highly doubt she told them everything.

[Motomom]

snipped
The longer that Cindy stays out of the press, the more sympathy I have for her. Every time I post that, she does something that is infuriating! It's really a shame for C&G's own sake that they did not steer clear of the media camped out at their house.

Hi blu..morning all. I am with you on this one. I have more and more sympathy for her and you're right..as soon as someone says that something else happens with her.

[Lavenia]

go to caylee anthony cnn breaking news word press. It said docs turned over to defence. Cnn will turn realease them asap about 30 minuites ago.

WOO HOO! :thumbsup:

[bluwaters]

Anthony Attorney Expected To Seek Change Of Venue
http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

The trial will likely be moved to another metropolitan area like Jacksonville or Miami.

But it is possible for jurors from other parts of the state to be brought to Orlando and sequestered.

Thanks desmom!

[IM4Truth]

I had a chance this weekend to really go over the tape of Casey with her parents, and I must say, these people, despite their subsequent crimminal behavior and obnoxiousness, are totally beaten down. I see two very sad, frightened, and lost people.

They have been awful, but I think that they are more afraid of Casey and her wrath than they are of being maligned by the media.

Sadly, they don't seem to be afraid of the consequences of lying to the FBI and OCSD.
These people were falling apart, and are IMO, totally irrational in their endeavors to defend what they see as "what is left" of their family.

Bolded in red by me. I don't see where George was lying to LE in any of his testimonies. He did lie to the media in his farce to search for a live Caylee. As I said before, that was only to support Cindy because he clearly said to LE that he wanted to be notified if anything happened because he knew it would kill Cindy and he would need to prepare her.

[CNTM]

Here's the link.

http://caseyanthonycase.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/new-court-documents-to-be-released/

[Motomom]

Yes, but after she was bailed out they did a very quick turnaround in standing up for her. I believe she did tell them more when she got home. However, I highly doubt she told them everything.

If she told them anything, and that's a big IF IMO.. it was probably about some sort of accident. What else could she have told them, surely not the truth, for them to continue on that she's alive? Even with something accidental, i can see defending her then, but without a body IDK.. I don't think she told them she was dead.

[Lavenia]

Cindy had an epiphany during that visit, IMO.
This is where she clearly sees that the rumors of Caylee's death are true.
Her denial swung right into place as soon as she was outside again.
I think the tragedy of this tape is that it is Cindy's moment of clarity.
She is shocked that Casey will not discuss Caylee and has no concern for Caylee or interest in searches, tips, leads, etc.
Nothing is there.
Cindy knows that Caylee is gone.

The longer that Cindy stays out of the press, the more sympathy I have for her. Every time I post that, she does something that is infuriating! It's really a shame for C&G's own sake that they did not steer clear of the media camped out at their house.


That's EXACTLY the way I've been about Cindy, Bluey! She'll haul off and do/say something inappropriate, and I'm fuming, then I soften toward her after a bit, then she does it again. Rinse, lather, repeat.

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone! :seeya:

I thought of something last night that Casey has to deal with in jail. People yell things from cell to cell anyway, but when a segregated prisoner, such as herself, is moved around the jail; to visitation, shower, etc., OMG, the yelling is crazy! And it won't be good. They're ruthless.

I wonder how "frustrated" that makes her? :scared:



Good, good and good....wait till she gets to the big house...:lol:

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone! :seeya:

I thought of something last night that Casey has to deal with in jail. People yell things from cell to cell anyway, but when a segregated prisoner, such as herself, is moved around the jail; to visitation, shower, etc., OMG, the yelling is crazy! And it won't be good. They're ruthless.

I wonder how "frustrated" that makes her? :scared:


Are you telling us that the other "guests" will yell things to casey anthony from their "rooms" and it won't be stuff like "Hello gorgeous, how are ya sweetie?" I'm stunned.

[court~critic1®]

Thansk for the reply to my question. They make sense. The only time I sat a on a GJ most of the cases were drug related, and other minor things. Only the LE testified in those cases.

I knew we had very smart folks on here.


safe one all!

[IM4Truth]

go to caylee anthony cnn breaking news word press. It said docs turned over to defence. Cnn will turn realease them asap about 30 minuites ago.

Can you give us the link? The last one I saw was the video release.

[bluwaters]

Yep. Gives me the cold chills remembering that, & that was over 20 years ago. I have been hoping that during the investigation LE has found something or another which might be a trigger for revealing the real Casey, like that song was for Diane Downs.

JMO

I know about that case and read Ann Rule's book many years ago. I forgot this. What did DD do when Hungry Like a Wolf
was played?

I wonder if there is a real Casey.
There just doesn't seem to be much of anything there to me.

[chrissybot]

'Morning:seeya:. I have been thinking about Casey & her narcisism & pathological lying. Someone in my own family who I have grown up with & known my entire life(but no longer speak to), shows all these same symptoms & has for years. The thing I think is strange is, like Casey, this family member lies about the exact same things. The house-parents turning it over to him, the amount of money he claims to have in the bank, being caught red handed with stealing and or lying, but will say he didnt do it, LONG RAP SHEET, i could go on for pages but wont bore you guys,..........ALSO the mother of this family member chooses not to see any of this even after being confronted with so so many things. I see so many similarities in the things they lie about it's scary!! As to my knowledge though, this family member hasn't murdered anyone. just wanted to add that.
Just had to get that off my chest because to me, like i said the THINGS they seem to lie about are so eerily similar.:chicken::scared:

[Lavenia]

Are you telling us that the other "guests" will yell things to casey anthony from their "rooms" and it won't be stuff like "Hello gorgeous, how are ya sweetie?" I'm stunned.

I may be mistaken. They may be offering her evening turn-down service with a mint, no less.

[Barbara fl.]

Yes, but after she was bailed out they did a very quick turnaround in standing up for her. I believe she did tell them more when she got home. However, I highly doubt she told them everything.



I agree with that...after the first release form jail...Cindy said that she was "calm" now and that she understood what happened....I can not see anyone being CALM, while a 2 year old is still unaccounted for....I believe that she told Lee, and I also believe that it was from that point on that Cindy and George started going all in defense of Casey...(I believe that was because they knew they had lost Caylee and wanted to save Casey)......MOO

[Loves2Read]

Yes, but after she was bailed out they did a very quick turnaround in standing up for her. I believe she did tell them more when she got home. However, I highly doubt she told them everything.

That is the part that just ticks me off. They knew.... and yet they didn't want anyone searching for anything other than a live Caylee. They knew and yet they had people looking for her to the point of any family with a little girl that could even halfway look like her were being checked out by the police. They kept the farce up, and it hurt others, used resources & donations.

I don't know what Casey had told them in private. But I do know that they didn't have to participate in this the way they did.

Look at them now! They are not participating, and that would have been the right thing for them to do from the start.

[CNTM]

http://caseyanthonycase.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/new-court-documents-to-be-released/

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[Barbara fl.]

Are you telling us that the other "guests" will yell things to casey anthony from their "rooms" and it won't be stuff like "Hello gorgeous, how are ya sweetie?" I'm stunned.



Well, BIG BERTHA might say "hey georgious" and how are ya sweetie"
:lol:

[msgatorslayer]

The Orange County Clerk of Courts Office and the County Courthouse will be closed on January 19th in observance of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.


http://orangeclerk.onetgov.net/

[Regina.Lampert]

I may be mistaken. They may be offering her evening turn-down service with a mint, no less.

I'm relieved, of course only the best for our little princess. :tongue:

[Barbara fl.]

He swore to tell the truth and since they had prior statements to compare with, he must have been consistent with those statements, IMO.


Yes, I believe he would have had to stick to his statements........

[Lavenia]

Imagine then the roller coaster ride cindy has had for 7 months.....because she has lived and breathed every second of it , affected by it like we can only imagine and our imaginations have to pale in contrast ............


Cindy is the link to her family ,Cindy's whole purpose was that for her family ,she was the everything ,she tried to hold them all together ,she fully supported them aLL ...all alone , everyone was doing their thing /...cindy EVEN supported Georges family ,to an emotional degree anyway ,it was Cindy who took Caylee to see Georges father on Fathers day !


I see the whole picture and I see what Cindy has been up against ......I know that God looks favorably upon her in this tragic time of despair and forgives her her shortcomings in this time.

I am not without empathy for Cindy while not agreeing with her actions.

[destiny1]

Bolded in red by me. I don't see where George was lying to LE in any of his testimonies. He did lie to the media in his farce to search for a live Caylee. As I said before, that was only to support Cindy because he clearly said to LE that he wanted to be notified if anything happened because he knew it would kill Cindy and he would need to prepare her.

Agreed. Most of the lying IMO has been initiated and perpetrated by Cindy and for cindy. I think that if George had his way early on that he would not have participated in or supported any lies. That is not to say that he doesn't love his daughter.

Those people are between a rock and a hard place, and Cindys personality dictates her coming out fighting no matter how irrational and futile.

[CeeKay]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.

ITA....but to add, I believe that she will be dressed down to try to portray an image of an innocent young teenager. I can see in in my mind's eye....plaid skirt, white shirt, cardigan sweater, plain hair style (pigtails or ponytail). I believe the defense will play her to be "the victim" as they have been trying to do already in the media. Remember the next to the last public appearance? They already started the appearance thing. The defense missed out on the last court appearance because of the judge ordering her to be brought into court, did not leave time to "stage" the "poor innocent" look.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well, BIG BERTHA might say "hey georgious" and how are ya sweetie"
:lol:

"Absolutely!" I don't think casey anthony will have a bit of trouble in jail, not the manipulating, flirtacious female we have witnessed. She will find a way to be protected by an Alpha inmate, imo.

Your thoughts Lavenia, our resident jail expert? :smile:

[CNTM]

Thanks fo the link

YW, I hope they do get it released today. IIRC, they did release documents on previous holidays.

[?noanswer]

A while now? 9 a.m. is the typical start of the day.

We've got at least till 5 or 6 p.m.

Don't the SA upload the documents to a web site? If that is true, then they could have done it Fri. All that would be left to do is notify the media how to access the info. JMO

[IM4Truth]

Here's the link.

http://caseyanthonycase.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/new-court-documents-to-be-released/

I'm still trying to find it on the CNN website but can't find anything?

[Barbara fl.]

Imagine then the roller coaster ride cindy has had for 7 months.....because she has lived and breathed every second of it , affected by it like we can only imagine and our imaginations have to pale in contrast ............


Cindy is the link to her family ,Cindy's whole purpose was that for her family ,she was the everything ,she tried to hold them all together ,she fully supported them aLL ...all alone , everyone was doing their thing /...cindy EVEN supported Georges family ,to an emotional degree anyway ,it was Cindy who took Caylee to see Georges father on Fathers day !


I see the whole picture and I see what Cindy has been up against ......I know that God looks favorably upon her in this tragic time of despair and forgives her her shortcomings in this time.


I thought that was Cindy's father? I didn't know it was George's father....So when did Cindy find out about the money being missing? I thought that was at the nursing home on father's day....I'm confused, but that's nothing new....

[Regina.Lampert]

That was cynthia's father who received the FD visit from she and Caylee.

[AJandTam]

ITA....but to add, I believe that she will be dressed down to try to portray an image of an innocent young teenager. I can see in in my mind's eye....plaid skirt, white shirt, cardigan sweater, plain hair style (pigtails or ponytail). I believe the defense will play her to be "the victim" as they have been trying to do already in the media. Remember the next to the last public appearance? They already started the appearance thing. The defense missed out on the last court appearance because of the judge ordering her to be brought into court, did not leave time to "stage" the "poor innocent" look.

LOL, if they dress her like that... I don't think I would see innocent young girl. My first thought would be XXX.

[bluwaters]

Yes, I believe he would have had to stick to his statements........

I hope that he remembers them! :smile:

[AnnInOhio]

I find it very interesting that not one of Casey's friends are standing by her or believe her. That is so telling.

What's going to be more telling to a jury is that for 31 days she had plenty of opportunity but never mentioned any concern about her daughter being missing. Even if she tries to say she was theatened, who wouldn't confide in SOMEBODY?

[Loves2Read]

I am not without empathy for Cindy while not agreeing with her actions.

I feel the same way.

[Lavenia]

"Absolutely!" I don't think casey anthony will have a bit of trouble in jail, not the manipulating, flirtacious female we have witnessed. She will find a way to be protected by an Alpha inmate, imo.

Your thoughts Lavenia, our resident jail expert? :smile:

I believe you hit the nail on the head! She appears to need someone to lead her at all times and will find ready and willing folks where she's going. Oh, they will lead her. :thumbsup:

[CNTM]

I'm still trying to find it on the CNN website but can't find anything?

Here 'ya go, right below the pic of G & C.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[bluwaters]

I am not without empathy for Cindy while not agreeing with her actions.
I am with you there. :beer:

[SavannahStar]

I am not without empathy for Cindy while not agreeing with her actions.

But I think that's true for all of us! Probably not as MANY of her words/actions bother me as much as others....but still.....we all (for the most part) state we have "sympathy" DESPITE...yada yada. I just wonder sometimes why that is even necessary....to clarify what we feel, like that. To make us feel better about ourselves, perhaps? That WE would never do/say/act as she does, but yet we have sympathy because of the loss of her grandchild? Sometimes I just don't get it. I overlook a lot with her, I'll admit it. But maybe that's because the bottom line for me is she HAS lost a beloved granddaughter. And to MURDER, by her beloved daughter! I give her a pass. Yes, I do.

[destiny1]

That's EXACTLY the way I've been about Cindy, Bluey! She'll haul off and do/say something inappropriate, and I'm fuming, then I soften toward her after a bit, then she does it again. Rinse, lather, repeat.



I have a hard time not getting angry watching Cindy, and I speculate on what may or may not be their future within the crimminal justice system, but having seen so many good people go wrong and being a person with a family myself, I just can't dehumanize cindy and george the way so many have.

Now if it comes to light that they knew from the very beginning that Caylee was dead and helped casey in any way with the disposal of caylees body, then the gloves come all the way off.

[IM4Truth]

The Orange County Clerk of Courts Office and the County Courthouse will be closed on January 19th in observance of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.


http://orangeclerk.onetgov.net/

Thanks, I'm wondering if the other breaking news about anything being released today is based on the last hearing when they said it would be available by 01/19. I can't find it on the CNN website. But then again it could have been released to the defense on Fri. and not to the media until today? Notice on the NG Blog it says "any minute now" and you know how that goes.

[Explorer]

I got soo interested in this case. This case is going to be studied for years. A seemingly normal family just imploding before our very eyes. I just dont know how CaA could totally disrespect her parents feelings like that. What a total disgrace. I just dont get what is going on in her head.

[Barbara fl.]

I hope that he remembers them! :smile:



You have a good point.....I hope they plat a rerun of his statements to refresh his memory.....and I can just see Casey boiling when she hears them....

[AnnInOhio]

It is mind blowing they are handling her with kid gloves while she is behind bars. Let her blow up and spill!!

I'm starting to get why Cindy is standing up for Casey now. So her daughter won't be mad at her anymore? She's afraid of Casey.

What could Casey POSSIBLY do to her parents now that would would hurt more than losing Caylee and not even being able to lay her to rest?

[destiny1]

But I think that's true for all of us! Probably not as MANY of her words/actions bother me as much as others....but still.....we all (for the most part) state we have "sympathy" DESPITE...yada yada. I just wonder sometimes why that is even necessary....to clarify what we feel, like that. To make us feel better about ourselves, perhaps? That WE would never do/say/act as she does, but yet we have sympathy because of the loss of her grandchild? Sometimes I just don't get it. I overlook a lot with her, I'll admit it. But maybe that's because the bottom line for me is she HAS lost a beloved granddaughter. And to MURDER, by her beloved daughter! I give her a pass. Yes, I do.
Hi Savannah. If the truth be told, no matter what we might say we would or wouldn't do, none of us know. We just don't know. That had to be a very hard blow for both Cindy and George.

[?noanswer]

Good morning everyone! :seeya:

I thought of something last night that Casey has to deal with in jail. People yell things from cell to cell anyway, but when a segregated prisoner, such as herself, is moved around the jail; to visitation, shower, etc., OMG, the yelling is crazy! And it won't be good. They're ruthless.

I wonder how "frustrated" that makes her? :scared:


I think KC only gets 1 hr per wk to view TV. Do the other inmates get to see the news coverage and/or TH shows? If they do, they have a lot of information on which to base their yelling! JMO

[summer4meplz]

That was cynthia's father who received the FD visit from she and Caylee.

I still find it very odd that there seemed to be no father's day celebration for george....

[IM4Truth]

ITA....but to add, I believe that she will be dressed down to try to portray an image of an innocent young teenager. I can see in in my mind's eye....plaid skirt, white shirt, cardigan sweater, plain hair style (pigtails or ponytail). I believe the defense will play her to be "the victim" as they have been trying to do already in the media. Remember the next to the last public appearance? They already started the appearance thing. The defense missed out on the last court appearance because of the judge ordering her to be brought into court, did not leave time to "stage" the "poor innocent" look.

Jurors will soon see the truth when they start seeing photographs splashed up on a giant screen in the courtroom!

[SavannahStar]

Hi Savannah. If the truth be told, no matter what we might say we would or wouldn't do, none of us know. We just don't know. That had to be a very hard blow for both Cindy and George.

Oh destiny, that is SO SO SO true, we DON'T know. But I've read probably hundreds of posts on here to the contrary. :sad:

[CNTM]

I still find it very odd that there seemed to be no father's day celebration for george....

I noticed that too. Nothing about Lee even doing anything for him. Sad.

[SavannahStar]

What could Casey POSSIBLY do to her parents now that would would hurt more than losing Caylee and not even being able to lay her to rest?


Absolutely NOTHING.

[IM4Truth]

I thought that was Cindy's father? I didn't know it was George's father....So when did Cindy find out about the money being missing? I thought that was at the nursing home on father's day....I'm confused, but that's nothing new....

The "troll" just got confused. It was Cindy's father. George's parents live in Ft. Myers.

[destiny1]

Absolutely NOTHING.

I think that they are only trying to save what little is left of any family they have. Be it misguided or not, I would want to do the same. Not sure how though.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I don;t know if we will get any news today or not but I will check back in every little bit. I keep hoping the a;s will come out and say something to the people that have tryed to help them. I feel so sorry for them but do not condone the way they have acted.It is time to tell the truth no matter who it hurts.jmho

[Lavenia]

But I think that's true for all of us! Probably not as MANY of her words/actions bother me as much as others....but still.....we all (for the most part) state we have "sympathy" DESPITE...yada yada. I just wonder sometimes why that is even necessary....to clarify what we feel, like that. To make us feel better about ourselves, perhaps? That WE would never do/say/act as she does, but yet we have sympathy because of the loss of her grandchild? Sometimes I just don't get it. I overlook a lot with her, I'll admit it. But maybe that's because the bottom line for me is she HAS lost a beloved granddaughter. And to MURDER, by her beloved daughter! I give her a pass. Yes, I do.

I have empathy for her for many reasons not the least of which, I have no idea how I may handle the same circumstances. Also, I have no idea how much of their bad decisions have come from their "handlers", like KFN and attorneys. Yet I qualify my support somewhat because I still don't support bad behavior no matter the cause, and all their bad behavior didn't just come out of this grief, IMO.

[playnice]

Hi Savannah. If the truth be told, no matter what we might say we would or wouldn't do, none of us know. We just don't know. That had to be a very hard blow for both Cindy and George.

The hardest part I have with Cindy is trying to blame other people. I know they are in a horrible situation and we can only guess what we would do if we were in her shoes. I may even try to keep the zanny crap going but I honestly dont believe I could point the finger at other people that didnt do it. I just couldnt falsely accuse someone.

[IM4Truth]

Here 'ya go, right below the pic of G & C.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

Hmm, well, I sure hope it's true because I want to see those search warrants! This is all I can find on the CNN Caylee blog:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Jomom

Nancy Grace Producers give the latest news in the case of murdered tot Caylee Anthony. Check back for frequent updates.

Thursday Jan. 15, 2009
6 PM ET - We've just obtained newly released jailhouse video from a visit between tot mom Casey Anthony and parents George and Cindy. Tune in tonight to see the video!

[Regina.Lampert]

But I think that's true for all of us! Probably not as MANY of her words/actions bother me as much as others....but still.....we all (for the most part) state we have "sympathy" DESPITE...yada yada. I just wonder sometimes why that is even necessary....to clarify what we feel, like that. To make us feel better about ourselves, perhaps? That WE would never do/say/act as she does, but yet we have sympathy because of the loss of her grandchild? Sometimes I just don't get it. I overlook a lot with her, I'll admit it. But maybe that's because the bottom line for me is she HAS lost a beloved granddaughter. And to MURDER, by her beloved daughter! I give her a pass. Yes, I do.

I become concerned when I see maneuvers by the anthonys that may be tampering with evidence, lying to LE who are looking for Caylee and obstructing justice by not telling the Detectives everything they know about casey anthony.

No other family in my memory has acted this way.

Criticisms of them were justly deserved by how they have acted. "From day one...."

[Loves2Read]

What could Casey POSSIBLY do to her parents now that would would hurt more than losing Caylee and not even being able to lay her to rest?

Casey can stab them both in the back during the trial. She could tell complete lies (as usual) but this time she could focus them all on her parents.

She could even say that either both or one or the other was the person that actually murdered Caylee.

I think that might rival any of the feelings the A's have already endured.

[summer4meplz]

what do you guys think the doc dump will be? search warrants? anne's interview.....test results? all or none or part ???

[nana2]

Cindy took Caylee to see Cindys Father on Fathers day

[ellegna]

What's going to be more telling to a jury is that for 31 days she had plenty of opportunity but never mentioned any concern about her daughter being missing. Even if she tries to say she was theatened, who wouldn't confide in SOMEBODY?

Not just the 31 days but it was Cindy who reported Caylee missing, not the person who should have...... Casey :mad:

[?noanswer]

I thought that was Cindy's father? I didn't know it was George's father....So when did Cindy find out about the money being missing? I thought that was at the nursing home on father's day....I'm confused, but that's nothing new....


You are not confused, you are right. It was C's father. JMO

[101Spots]

Yep, that tape is a gold mine for the prosecution, ain't it? You'd think her first and only question to mommy and daddy, would be "Is there any news of Caylee?" What a monster she truly is, imo.

There is no spinning this tape either, imo.

Didn't you pay *any* attention to Jose??? It's "taken out of context." Duh.

Yeah, right. :lol:

So sorry my Steelers beat up on your Ravens.

[?noanswer]

What's going to be more telling to a jury is that for 31 days she had plenty of opportunity but never mentioned any concern about her daughter being missing. Even if she tries to say she was theatened, who wouldn't confide in SOMEBODY?


If she had been threatened and was afraid, then in that first call she would have been screaming that she couldn't tell them about Caylee, because the Knappers would harm her. Instead she is wanting TonE's phone no. and telling them it was a huge waste calling them. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Hi Savannah. If the truth be told, no matter what we might say we would or wouldn't do, none of us know. We just don't know. That had to be a very hard blow for both Cindy and George.


You both are right...none of us know how we would react if faced with such a tragedy...we can only think about what we would do.....HOWEVER.....and I must add that "however"....at the beginning before I knew anything, I would probably be on my daughters side in hope that maybe just maybe this one time my daughter was telling me the truth....but here we are 6 months down the line and all the evidence is right there in front of their eyes and they are ignoring every bit of it.....they know "Zenaida" doesn't exist....they know their daughter didn't report Caylee missing....they know that Caylee's body was in their daughters car...and they know how their daughter had lied to LE AND them....I believe I would have had to draw the line somewhere...If I didn't want to confront my daughter or help convict her, I would at least keep my mouth shut....but to continue to say that Casey is not responsible for this horrific murder is to justify it....and that I don't believe I would be doing...daughter or no daughter.....JMOO

[IM4Truth]

what do you guys think the doc dump will be? search warrants? anne's interview.....test results? all or none or part ???

All I remember is that I think it is the search warrants. Is anyone going to be on here all day? Is there some way you can make my computer go DING DING DING when you get the notice? Have to take a short break, jumped right up and went to computer, I think I hear cinnamon toast calling out to me. I have HLN, does anyone have CNN on? Of course MLK and the big day tomorrow is filling up the news today. BRB.

[Barbara fl.]

You are not confused, you are right. It was C's father. JMO


Thanks, I thought so...otherwise the arguement would have not happened on that night....

[callmetree]

LOL, if they dress her like that... I don't think I would see innocent young girl. My first thought would be XXX.

i think you were reading my mind:tongue: morning tam

[daHawg]

Thanks, I'm wondering if the other breaking news about anything being released today is based on the last hearing when they said it would be available by 01/19. I can't find it on the CNN website. But then again it could have been released to the defense on Fri. and not to the media until today? Notice on the NG Blog it says "any minute now" and you know how that goes.
Plus none of the local news sites have anything re: any release today. Like Orlando Sentinel or WFTV they usually are right on top of it with it and the "continue to check back" will have it up as soon as we can type of thing. But there is nothing on their sites as of yet.

[Danette44]

The way I heard it is that in the GJ people all set around a large table and are presented damaging evidence. I hardly doubt George would have said anything glowing about her. I believe he spoke the truth. Didn't you hear his testimonies to OCSO and the FBI? Did you find very much of that glowing?


IMOO - I think George's testimony helped her get 1st degree murder charges, I also believe he spoke the truth - wasn't it said once it goes to trial the witness aren't allowed in the court room? So, when Gerorge gets called Cindy won't beable to hear it.

[SavannahStar]

I become concerned when I see maneuvers by the anthonys that may be tampering with evidence, lying to LE who are looking for Caylee and obstructing justice by not telling the Detectives everything they know about casey anthony.

No other family in my memory has acted this way.

Criticisms of them were justly deserved by how they have acted. "From day one...."

Well we can agree to disagree, Regina. In my opinion, they have not tampered with evidence or obstructed justice. And I do not think criticisms of the family were justly deserved.

But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.

[Mimi428]

I know about that case and read Ann Rule's book many years ago. I forgot this. What did DD do when Hungry Like a Wolf
was played?



Acted like what we used to call a teenybopper. Tapped her feet, snapped her fingers, etc. Bopped to the music, IOW.

The importance of that was that she had told the detectives that it was that very song that was playing while her children were attacked.

STILL gives me the cold chills to think about the kind of person who could do that - get all jazzed out, pumped up, in the groove, when the song that was played while your children were being shot is played.

And for everyone who is thinking that Casey will get her come-uppance once she hits prison - well Diane has been sitting in jail nearly 25 years & to the best of my knowledge it has never been reported that she was threatened or attacked by her fellow inmates. Just sayin...

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

I got soo interested in this case. This case is going to be studied for years. A seemingly normal family just imploding before our very eyes. I just dont know how CaA could totally disrespect her parents feelings like that. What a total disgrace. I just dont get what is going on in her head.



I agree...it's almost like Casey is saying to her parents "how dare you question me or not believe what ever I say".....If, I were Cindy or George, that screne would have meant nothing after I tried to reach thru it.....

[Elle]

Does a gag order prevent the media from releasing/airing/printing doc's, tapes ect. ? I do not understand why Baez, who goes on national tv shows and uses the media, the same person who fought against the gag order, would be allowed a change of venue. I am sure my lack of knowledge is jumping off the screen. He uses the media to achieve a certain outcome, and then gets all pissy when it backfires.
IMO he participated in 'tainting the jury pool' hoping to have better luck somewhere else, splatters his face on national tv. and brings alot of publicity himself, then uses that, which he helped create as a reason to get a COV. Seems hypocritical to me. I have not followed many cases at all, is this par for the course? A misuse of the system?

thank you

[Dunlurken]

IMOO - I think George's testimony helped her get 1st degree murder charges, I also believe he spoke the truth - wasn't it said once it goes to trial the witness aren't allowed in the court room? So, when Gerorge gets called Cindy won't beable to hear it.

Depends on who testifies first. At least in California.... not sure about Florida, but once you testify you are allowed in the courtroom to hear others testify. Which is why Sharon Rocha was called to testify first, so she could hear the rest of the testimony. JMO.

[?noanswer]

Plus none of the local news sites have anything re: any release today. Like Orlando Sentinel or WFTV they usually are right on top of it with it and the "continue to check back" will have it up as soon as we can type of thing. But there is nothing on their sites as of yet.

It is a Holiday and I think most of the news media have a different priority for the next 2 days than we posters on this board! I have faith, tho that they will be released today. JMO

[bluwaters]

I have empathy for her for many reasons not the least of which, I have no idea how I may handle the same circumstances. Also, I have no idea how much of their bad decisions have come from their "handlers", like KFN and attorneys. Yet I qualify my support somewhat because I still don't support bad behavior no matter the cause, and all their bad behavior didn't just come out of this grief, IMO.

Desperate situations reveal true character.

[destiny1]

You both are right...none of us know how we would react if faced with such a tragedy...we can only think about what we would do.....HOWEVER.....and I must add that "however"....at the beginning before I knew anything, I would probably be on my daughters side in hope that maybe just maybe this one time my daughter was telling me the truth....but here we are 6 months down the line and all the evidence is right there in front of their eyes and they are ignoring every bit of it.....they know "Zenaida" doesn't exist....they know their daughter didn't report Caylee missing....they know that Caylee's body was in their daughters car...and they know how their daughter had lied to LE AND them....I believe I would have had to draw the line somewhere...If I didn't want to confront my daughter or help convict her, I would at least keep my mouth shut....but to continue to say that Casey is not responsible for this horrific murder is to justify it....and that I don't believe I would be doing...daughter or no daughter.....JMOO


That's where the rationality part comes into play. IMO, she is irrational in her quest to save what she probably views as what little is left of her family.

[SavannahStar]

You both are right...none of us know how we would react if faced with such a tragedy...we can only think about what we would do.....HOWEVER.....and I must add that "however"....at the beginning before I knew anything, I would probably be on my daughters side in hope that maybe just maybe this one time my daughter was telling me the truth....but here we are 6 months down the line and all the evidence is right there in front of their eyes and they are ignoring every bit of it.....they know "Zenaida" doesn't exist....they know their daughter didn't report Caylee missing....they know that Caylee's body was in their daughters car...and they know how their daughter had lied to LE AND them....I believe I would have had to draw the line somewhere...If I didn't want to confront my daughter or help convict her, I would at least keep my mouth shut....but to continue to say that Casey is not responsible for this horrific murder is to justify it....and that I don't believe I would be doing...daughter or no daughter.....JMOO

All we've seen in that respect, however, Barbara, is the alleged email she sent to Lois. We truly don't know what Cindy is thinking right now. I personaly believe she knows Casey killed Caylee. Where I differ, though, is that I don't require that she come out in public and say that. What's in her heart is in her heart. Matters nothing at all to me that she come out publicly and show humiliation. I think others want that. Not me.

[?noanswer]

I agree...it's almost like Casey is saying to her parents "how dare you question me or not believe what ever I say".....If, I were Cindy or George, that screne would have meant nothing after I tried to reach thru it.....

You must have reallllly long arms. There were not in the same building! JMO

[Dunlurken]

Does a gag order prevent the media from releasing/airing/printing doc's, tapes ect. ? I do not understand why Baez, who goes on national tv shows and uses the media, the same person who fought against the gag order, would be allowed a change of venue. I am sure my lack of knowledge is jumping off the screen. He uses the media to achieve a certain outcome, and then gets all pissy when it backfires.
IMO he participated in 'tainting the jury pool' hoping to have better luck somewhere else, splatters his face on national tv. and brings alot of publicity himself, then uses that, which he helped create as a reason to get a COV. Seems hypocritical to me. I have not followed many cases at all, is this par for the course? A misuse of the system?

thank you
The jury pool is not tainted at all. If we, on this board, are an example of what the jury pool might be, Casey will get a fair and unbiased trial. JMO.

[chrissybot]

what do you guys think the doc dump will be? search warrants? anne's interview.....test results? all or none or part ???
Summer, I am hoping for search warrants & test results. At the very least!!

[destiny1]

Desperate situations reveal true character.

Maybe, Maybe not. None of us are angels, no matter what we might think. At some point instinct kicked in with cindy and her futile attempts at saving her family. It is irrational and in their case quite combative, but its basic human instinct at its best, or should I say worst.

[martha]

You both are right...none of us know how we would react if faced with such a tragedy...we can only think about what we would do.....HOWEVER.....and I must add that "however"....at the beginning before I knew anything, I would probably be on my daughters side in hope that maybe just maybe this one time my daughter was telling me the truth....but here we are 6 months down the line and all the evidence is right there in front of their eyes and they are ignoring every bit of it.....they know "Zenaida" doesn't exist....they know their daughter didn't report Caylee missing....they know that Caylee's body was in their daughters car...and they know how their daughter had lied to LE AND them....I believe I would have had to draw the line somewhere...If I didn't want to confront my daughter or help convict her, I would at least keep my mouth shut....but to continue to say that Casey is not responsible for this horrific murder is to justify it....and that I don't believe I would be doing...daughter or no daughter.....JMOO ITA with you there has to be a stoping point no matter how much you love your daughter.I could not keep taking up for her with all we know now.jmho

[bluwaters]

Didn't you pay *any* attention to Jose??? It's "taken out of context." Duh.

Yeah, right. :lol:

*snip*
I want to hear from Jose what it is about that video that would change by being "put into context."
Jose, make this video look good for Casey.
I wanna see what you say!

[Lavenia]

Well we can agree to disagree, Regina. In my opinion, they have not tampered with evidence or obstructed justice. And I do not think criticisms of the family were justly deserved.

But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.

That is not fair, IMO, to compare someone else's *opinions* which are just as valid as yours, to such sadistic behavior as pulling wings off flies, etc.

[Explorer]

I think Cindy Anthony is so traumatized that she kicked into survival mode. Her brain cant accept what happened. I really feel sorry for her she is in agony.

[Regina.Lampert]

Didn't you pay *any* attention to Jose??? It's "taken out of context." Duh.

Yeah, right. :lol:

So sorry my Steelers beat up on your Ravens.

LOL, good luck with that one jose...... :laugh:

Yes, I hold you completely responsible for our loss. :tonguewag:

[SavannahStar]

The jury pool is not tainted at all. If we, on this board, are an example of what the jury pool might be, Casey will get a fair and unbiased trial. JMO.


That's probably the funniest post I've read in a year.

You ARE kidding, right? :lol::lol::lol:

Heck even if there were solid evidence that Casey didn't kill Caylee I think she would still be convicted, if for nothing more than hatred for Cindy Anthony.

MY opinion!

[*MoonRider*]

Plus none of the local news sites have anything re: any release today. Like Orlando Sentinel or WFTV they usually are right on top of it with it and the "continue to check back" will have it up as soon as we can type of thing. But there is nothing on their sites as of yet.

Maybe they are getting their bombshell news from Nancy Grace. :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

I think Cindy Anthony is so traumatized that she kicked into survival mode. Her brain cant accept what happened. I really feel sorry for her she is in agony.

For real! You nailed it.

[Barbara fl.]

All we've seen in that respect, however, Barbara, is the alleged email she sent to Lois. We truly don't know what Cindy is thinking right now. I personaly believe she knows Casey killed Caylee. Where I differ, though, is that I don't require that she come out in public and say that. What's in her heart is in her heart. Matters nothing at all to me that she come out publicly and show humiliation. I think others want that. Not me.


No I don't expect her to come out and say "my daughter is a murderer"...I wouldn't do that and I wouldn't expect anyone else to....I just wouldn't say anything at all....I would know in my heart that in denying it would mean that I am justifying it....and I could never do that.....and believe me, I would lay down my life for my children and grandchildren....But I wouldn't be able to keep the lies going for my daughter.....

But as you said, we really don't know how she is meaning anything she says right now.....this whole thing has to be very traumatic for the family......And I certainly wouldn't want to be in their shoes....

[SavannahStar]

That is not fair, IMO, to compare someone else's *opinions* which are just as valid as yours, to such sadistic behavior as pulling wings off flies, etc.

I'm sorry you see it as unfair; that is how I perceive it. But.....as we agree: we all have different opinions. And it's all good.

[jammies]

That's EXACTLY the way I've been about Cindy, Bluey! She'll haul off and do/say something inappropriate, and I'm fuming, then I soften toward her after a bit, then she does it again. Rinse, lather, repeat.


Ditto. I always have some sort of compassion for her but the degree varies.