Monday morning jan.19th part 1 [Archive] - Page 4

Mimi428

01-19-2009, 04:53 PM

I also agree with that theory. I think she was just a spoiled little girl who grew up to be a spoiled young woman. And a set of parents that indulged to the point of losing control.

Finally found this link again. I had read it last month, but couldn't find it again until just now.

http://www.crimetimes.org/97b/w97bp4.htm

PSYCHOPATHS: FINDINGS POINT TO BRAIN DIFFERENCES

Traditionally, psychopathic behavior has been blamed on familial or sociological factors. Increasing evidence indicates, however, that psychopathic behavior stems not from bad parenting or a poor environment, but from fundamental differences in the psychopathic brain.

I wonder WTH we could talk about if we no longer had the option to blame George & Cindy for Casey's behavior??? (not directed at you in particular, just something I wonder about in general).

bluwaters

01-19-2009, 04:54 PM

Mr. Conway seems to me like a very compassionate and worthy advoctate for the Anthony's. He acts with integrity and does his job well. He is part of what makes up our system of justice, and without defense attorney's, we would have no justice at all.
I have begun to lose faith in him recently.
Why is he badmouthing Kronk?
Kronk found Caylee!
I guess Conway's latest statments on Kronk answer the question some had - Did the A's ever thank Kronk for finding Caylee?
I guess is that they did not.

But, I am bothered by this.
How does Kronk relate to his representation of the A's?
It seems to me that Baez would be the one pointing a finger that direction.
Why the A's?
What does Kronk have to do with them, from a legal point of view?

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 04:54 PM

Oh I do agree that they are scared of her, but not necessarily for any real-life/family secret reason. People like Casey (sociopaths, psychopaths, whatever she is) are scary - if you've ever dealt with one, you get it. And cowering and placating with Casey are old habits , maybe unbreakable habits, with the Anthonys. jmo

Like I said yesterday, these kind of people can make you feel like YOU are the lowest down, dirtiest scum in the world for challenging them. That winds up making you a broken codependent of the Nth degree, IMO. If you have any vulnerabilities at all, they will use it to their best advantage.

Loves2Read

01-19-2009, 04:54 PM

Mr. Conway seems to me like a very compassionate and worthy advoctate for the Anthony's. He acts with integrity and does his job well. He is part of what makes up our system of justice, and without defense attorney's, we would have no justice at all.

Excuse me, but the Anthonys are not facing the justice system at this time.

Only their daughter is facing the justice system, and Baez would be the defense attorney that is dealing with the defense of an Anthony.

Conway is more like a representative at this point, that is unless you know something we don't.

playnice

01-19-2009, 04:55 PM

OMG her using Juliette Lewis as someone she knew personally plus this movie you are mentioning. Does this all but remind you of someone else we "know and love" saying "she completes me". OMG :puke:

Its hard for me to even grasp someone who doesnt understand emotions because Im very emotional. Casey was a movie buff and pulled alot of her characters and things she done like put her daughter in the trunk. actually its sad that someone cant feel normal emotions and have to copy them.

SavannahStar

01-19-2009, 04:56 PM

Finally found this link again. I had read it last month, but couldn't find it again until just now.

http://www.crimetimes.org/97b/w97bp4.htm

PSYCHOPATHS: FINDINGS POINT TO BRAIN DIFFERENCES

Traditionally, psychopathic behavior has been blamed on familial or sociological factors. Increasing evidence indicates, however, that psychopathic behavior stems not from bad parenting or a poor environment, but from fundamental differences in the psychopathic brain.

I wonder WTH we could talk about if we no longer had the option to blame George & Cindy for Casey's behavior??? (not directed at you in particular, just something I wonder about in general).

Good find, Mimi.

joolz

01-19-2009, 04:57 PM

No, I've never had to deal with sociopaths nor psychopaths in real life.

So let me ask you why you think the As are more concerned about getting amunity?

I really don't know because I don't know that much about the law. Maybe it's just because they have been advised that some of their statements are obviously not true, and they are worried they might get charged. :shrug:

Given the fact that in that same state Coey's family was never charged for anything, I wouldn't think the Anthonys have anything to worry about unless they took an active part in the crime (which I don't think they did). jmo

Elle

01-19-2009, 04:58 PM

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Casey Anthony "Me Worship" CD Commercial

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/casey-anthony-me-worship-cd-commercial/

great find

'Oh I lift my name on high, how I love to sing my praises'
'Oh come let us adore me'

Casey ' I need to be seen as a victim, I am just as much a victim as everyone else'
Casey ' I have no one to comfort me, but myself'
Casey ' Do you understand how I feel'

trich

01-19-2009, 04:59 PM

I can't imagine parents being afraid of their children.
Something is seriously wrong there......

Actually I don't for a minute believe they are afraid she holds some deep dark secret.

If that was the case it would pay to let it all hang out rather then have anyone hold something over your head.
Especially your own child.

I think for some reason they just chose not to parent her in the proper way..... a little too late now IMO
Of course Casey made her own choices ...but sometimes I wonder if she thought she would not be held accountable since she never was made to accept responsibility before.
I bet she expected mommie and daddy to get her out of this horrible situation as they always have before.

Ladyhawk

01-19-2009, 05:02 PM

I don't agree that there has to be some big family secret or other logical reason they are afraid of Casey. There could be a secret, but not necessarily.

I think Casey has had her family very well trained from a very early age: the first time they gave in to some really insane tantrum or covered up for her bad behavior, it started a pattern of Casey doing whatever she wanted and never paying the piper. It started a patern of catering and covering and cowering and placating and evading the truth in order to maintain some sort of faux "peace" at home.

Now they find themselves in a situation where the truth about their granddaughter's death is only available from the person who has been in control for 20+ years. The person whose lying and stealing and who knows what else they have been giving into or ignoring for years. They are dancing to the little psycho's tune because they don't know how else to behave with her. jmo as always.

Casey may well have had them trained but G & C got something in return or the dance wouldn't have continued. If I had to guess what that something was I would say G & C were looking for the easy way, the smooth sailing no blip Normal Rockwell magazine family life where everyone in the family is each other's best friend. So as long as things are going smoothly and their ideas about themselves didn't have to be questioned, whatever Casey did was okay.

joolz

01-19-2009, 05:03 PM

Like I said yesterday, these kind of people can make you feel like YOU are the lowest down, dirtiest scum in the world for challenging them. That winds up making you a broken codependent of the Nth degree, IMO. If you have any vulnerabilities at all, they will use it to their best advantage.

Got that right! They also make you feel like you are the one who is crazy, out of perspective, and missing the point. And if you don't have any vulnerabilities - wait, everyone has them, right? - they will wind up creating them in you! Seriously, the way to deal with them is to get as far away as you can, if that is possible. imo and ime (experience):sad:

RiverWalk

01-19-2009, 05:03 PM

Hey everyone. Just popping in for a sec. Does anyone know if there is a link for the most recent emails from Cindy to some lady?? Something where she was still defending Casey and talking about making funeral arrangments?? This was last week when I heard of these, but still cant find them in the links. Thanks!

http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18473804/index.html

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:04 PM

I also agree with that theory. I think she was just a spoiled little girl who grew up to be a spoiled young woman. And a set of parents that indulged to the point of losing control.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding. I took that post to explain why and why maybe Cindy and George react to Casey's bad behaviors not how Casey got the way she is.

IM4Truth

01-19-2009, 05:06 PM

FOX35 Live News is on now. I didn't hear the lead-in so I don't know if there is any Anthony news or not, but you can watch live here now at 5 pm and also 6 pm EST.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

eastside joe

01-19-2009, 05:06 PM

I'm going to think about what you posted. I agree with everything you are saying. On the other hand, now the As had a chance to control the situation and they dropped the ball. They didn't even try. I can't think of any other reason other than fear as the reason why.

I can.

Guilt!!!

Guilt due to the alleged fight on the evening of June 15 that was Casey's primary motive to kill. To get back at her mother for threatening to kick her out of the house and seek custody of Caylee (REVENGE). That is why Cindy had a problem recalling the date. She didn't want anyone to find out. IMO

Don't agree with the revenge theory. Take another look at Casey's demeanor at the beginning of the August 14 jailhouse conversation. Absolutely beaming at Cindy's breakdown. It is part of her revenge. "Why is she crying already?" IMO

Guilt regarding never having met or seen Zanny the Nanny. That is why Cindy avoids any question from reporters with regards to the make believe Nanny. IMO

Do I believe Cindy should feel guilty? Absolutely not! Do I believe it is the primary reason why she is defending her until the end? Absolutely, positively!!! IMO

trich

01-19-2009, 05:08 PM

I too am tired of this psychobabble....Evil is Evil ...and IMO it should be destroyed.

All that is needed for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:08 PM

Sorry if this has already been posted.

Casey Anthony "Me Worship" CD Commercial

http://rochesterpopulist.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/casey-anthony-me-worship-cd-commercial/

:laugh::laugh:

rj1212

01-19-2009, 05:08 PM

I find it funny how much effort is being put in trying to "understand" the Anthony's...including Casey. Take a look at the vast majority of those folks convicted of similar crimes where they are serving LWOP or awaiting death.

Typically, no one seems to care about the parents of those criminals. Oftentimes, the criminals don't have people trying to label them as psychopaths or sociopaths...they're just looked at as career criminals who finally went too far.
Yet here we are regarding Casey and Casey's parents, trying to understand it all. Maybe she's just a career criminal who went too far?
Maybe she's just pure evil. That's what many people say when they see the inner-city criminal who went on a shooting spree...maybe that's all this is concerning Casey? Jealousy is as old as Cain and Abel, right?

Perhaps Casey would've done this without the parent's coddling, enabling, etc...okay.

But the coddling/enabling/spoiling certainly didn't help for THIS individual. That much is certain.

sunstar

01-19-2009, 05:09 PM

Absolutely (are we allowed to say that?). That whole "perfect family image" is definitely part of their dysfunctional fabric. I had forgotten about that particular claim of Cindy's - yikes! :ohmy:imo

I don't think I'll ever forget what she said on the witness stand because it was one of the first clues that the family lives in their own reality. What "good mother" wouldn't report her 2 y/o child being abducted until forced to do so a month later? :sneaky: MOO

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:09 PM

I thought she was saying that the parents indulged her to excess and now she is so out of control that they have no idea how to handle her. Maybe I got it wrong. :confused:

I don't know. I've blown a fuse, I think. :wink:

joolz

01-19-2009, 05:10 PM

Casey may well have had them trained but G & C got something in return or the dance wouldn't have continued. If I had to guess what that something was I would say G & C were looking for the easy way, the smooth sailing no blip Normal Rockwell magazine family life where everyone in the family is each other's best friend. So as long as things are going smoothly and their ideas about themselves didn't have to be questioned, whatever Casey did was okay.

I completely agree. What they got in return for not upsetting Casey was the appearance of that Norman Rockwell life. But under the surface, I bet it was a tense, unhappy mess. jmo

callmetree

01-19-2009, 05:10 PM

there is an afternoon thread when you guys get ready for it.:smile:

Mimi428

01-19-2009, 05:11 PM

Mimi I understand where you are coming from and from your perspective, it seems like Cindy bashing but in my opinion, sometimes things are what they are and all the medical psychobabble is not going to change that. She may indeed have a glitch in her brain circuitry but you can't dismiss the fact that these parents have indulged and coddled this girl since probably day one as not being a factor in the outcome of her personality. I have to disagree with blaming her electro-chemical imbalances and her brain chemistry on the fact that she is just plain spoiled, as totally evidenced in my opinion by that little temper tantrum in that video that was posted with her fists all balled up like a baby.

I do not dismiss or negate the behavior of Cindy or George. I just don't think it has all that much to do with Casey turning out to be a cold-blooded murderer without an ounce of compassion in her body. The world is full of young adults who have been spoiled, indulged, petted, coddled, excused, enabled & every other thing you can think of along the lines of being irresponsibly parented. They may lie, cheat & steal. They may be vain & superficial, but on some level, they CAN feel loyalty & love to & for another person. If/when they get in trouble with the law, they may fuss & fume & pitch a fit, but when it comes down to the brass tacks, they DO have the capacity to feel remorse, guilt & shame. And they can & do learn from their mistakes.

Which is what separates them from Casey. You could burn her parents at the stake & all she would care about is that they would no longer be around to give her what she wants, when she wants it.

JMO

CANDYKISSES

01-19-2009, 05:11 PM

Fox Video

Persumption of Innocence?
(Brad Conway & Pam Bond - Accessory after the fact)
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3304678&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

Thank you Cury, I missed it somehow when I was scanning back. :wub:

Your efforts are always appreciated here!

CelticDawn

01-19-2009, 05:13 PM

I can.

Guilt!!!

Guilt due to the alleged fight on the evening of June 15 that was Casey's primary motive to kill. To get back at her mother for threatening to kick her out of the house and seek custody of Caylee (REVENGE). That is why Cindy had a problem recalling the date. She didn't want anyone to find out. IMO

Don't agree with the revenge theory. Take another look at Casey's demeanor at the beginning of the August 14 jailhouse conversation. Absolutely beaming at Cindy's breakdown. It is part of her revenge. "Why is she crying already?" IMO

Guilt regarding never having met or seen Zanny the Nanny. That is why Cindy avoids any question from reporters with regards to the make believe Nanny. IMO

Do I believe Cindy should feel guilty? Absolutely not! Do I believe it is the primary reason why she is defending her until the end? Absolutely, positively!!! IMO

Do you think that its possible that casey said something along the lines of "Ill kill her first" if and when CFindy threatened to seek custody of Caylee?...Ive heard this kind of a "ill see him/her dead" threat before unfortunately in my own family....That would certainly give Cindy a reason to feel guilt if she pushed Casey, heard that kind of remark,...and blew her off...

Motomom

01-19-2009, 05:13 PM

I snipped
Which is what separates them from Casey. You could burn her parents at the stake & all she would care about is that they would no longer be around to give her what she wants, when she wants it.

JMO

I agree with you here mimi..she cares for only herself

SaraSidle

01-19-2009, 05:14 PM

kjt200 Great Post. :beer:

Your nic makes me so hungry and want to be in the Bahamas again. we currently have 4 feet of snow

Motomom

01-19-2009, 05:14 PM

Do you think that its possible that casey said something along the lines of "Ill kill her first" if and when CFindy threatened to seek custody of Caylee?...Ive heard this kind of a "ill see him/her dead" threat before unfortunately in my own family....That would certainly give Cindy a reason to feel guilt if she pushed Casey, heard that kind of remark,...and blew her off...

If something like that was said, Cindy's mistake then was to not have called LE immediately.

CANDYKISSES

01-19-2009, 05:15 PM

I do not dismiss or negate the behavior of Cindy or George. I just don't think it has all that much to do with Casey turning out to be a cold-blooded murderer without an ounce of compassion in her body. The world is full of young adults who have been spoiled, indulged, petted, coddled, excused, enabled & every other thing you can think of along the lines of being irresponsibly parented. They may lie, cheat & steal. They may be vain & superficial, but on some level, they CAN feel loyalty & love to & for another person. If/when they get in trouble with the law, they may fuss & fume & pitch a fit, but when it comes down to the brass tacks, they DO have the capacity to feel remorse, guilt & shame. And they can & do learn from their mistakes.

Which is what separates them from Casey. You could burn her parents at the stake & all she would care about is that they would no longer be around to give her what she wants, when she wants it.

JMO

This post begs for the answer to the following question.

IF you REALLY BELIEVE what is posted above Mimi, how can you be so sure it was a cold, calculated murder by Casey Anthony? :wink:

Maybe she's just another victim in that list of enabled, coddled.....and on and on. :scared:

magnolia

01-19-2009, 05:17 PM

CelticDawn

01-19-2009, 05:19 PM

I bolded the above - You don't know for sure where Cindy really thought that was Caylee, do you? Isn't it just possible they thought and were hoping that young toddler was Caylee?

And I don't think Cindy should be allowed to break the law, but you are speculating that she did. You don't know that for sure.

I wanted to answer that.....CINDY obviously thinks that CINDY has broken the law somehow, whether it is in this instance or not else they WOULD NOT have their mouthpiece all over the TV using that pesky old I word.

Threse Anthony people have been through enough....TOO MUCH for people to have to go through....but,...like all of us....need to be held accountable.

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:19 PM

I too am tired of this psychobabble....Evil is Evil ...and IMO it should be destroyed.

All that is needed for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.

What is the harm in trying to understand what made her evil? It's not to excuse her actions in any way. It's to hopefully detect and prevent future psychopaths.

rj1212

01-19-2009, 05:19 PM

I do not dismiss or negate the behavior of Cindy or George. I just don't think it has all that much to do with Casey turning out to be a cold-blooded murderer without an ounce of compassion in her body. The world is full of young adults who have been spoiled, indulged, petted, coddled, excused, enabled & every other thing you can think of along the lines of being irresponsibly parented. They may lie, cheat & steal. They may be vain & superficial, but on some level, they CAN feel loyalty & love to & for another person. If/when they get in trouble with the law, they may fuss & fume & pitch a fit, but when it comes down to the brass tacks, they DO have the capacity to feel remorse, guilt & shame. And they can & do learn from their mistakes.

Which is what separates them from Casey. You could burn her parents at the stake & all she would care about is that they would no longer be around to give her what she wants, when she wants it.

JMO

Great post! I have to agree with you there...:thumbup:

Dells

01-19-2009, 05:20 PM

Thank you Moonie (http://209.85.122.83/0/139/0/e2704//e2704.gif)

I think Conway's remarks about Kronk were very inappropriate, especially since if not for him, Caylee would still be lying in that swamp.

I agree. In his interview w/GVS the other night he made it clear that he was just George and Cindy's attorney. Casey has plenty of her own attorney's and experts so I don't even know why Conway had to go down that road. I think unless he thinks that the MR killed Caylee or moved her body there, I don't know what he hopes to gain by focusing on him besides smoke and mirrors. I have a feeling that all the evidence that they have from the crime scene will lead LE to one person and one person only. CASEY.

CANDYKISSES

01-19-2009, 05:22 PM

Excuse me, but the Anthonys are not facing the justice system at this time.

Only their daughter is facing the justice system, and Baez would be the defense attorney that is dealing with the defense of an Anthony.

Conway is more like a representative at this point, that is unless you know something we don't.

Not to mention the fact Conway was more than willing to start the bus for Roy Kronk to go under with Greta Saturday. :ohmy:

He's a real asset to the profession if you like that kind of message board hypothesizing, but I thought we expected more from him. I think the Cindy and George are getting boarding passes for the Jose Baez bus and their attorney will be in line too.

While I have suspicions about MR. Kronk, they aren't of the dastardly nature, rather just some questions about his discovery(ies).
JMO tho.

Cury-us Coyote

01-19-2009, 05:22 PM

Thanks very much Cury!
I had not seen this vid before.
Pam Bondi makes a good case for why Casey is rightfully charged with Murder1 under FL law.

With the uniqueness of FL law, the opinions & knowledge of local FL attorneys adds perspective to the case, IMO.

Mimi428

01-19-2009, 05:22 PM

This post begs for the answer to the following question.

IF you REALLY BELIEVE what is posted above Mimi, how can you be so sure it was a cold, calculated murder by Casey Anthony? :wink:

Maybe she's just another victim in that list of enabled, coddled.....and on and on. :scared:

How can I be sure? I have heard her voice on the first phone call to home from the jailhouse & seen the 8/14 video. Then I added in how completely unconcerned she was while taking the police on that jaw-dropping goose chase w/o breaking a sweat. Scared the wits out of me, I'm tellin ya.

A person spoiled rotten by mommy & daddy, but NOT a psychopath, would have messed their britches as soon as they were in the presence of LE, who has no reason to treat you like you are "special". That's when the crying begins & the wailing & the gnashing of teeth, for the spoiled brats (think Paris Hilton).

Spoiled gets scared. Psychopath gets angry.

JMO

CelticDawn

01-19-2009, 05:24 PM

I have tried to find a psychobabble label that casey fits in and believe I have gone from psychopath to multiple personality disorder. Nothing fits. Or many fit. All in the way you want to look at it, but one thing I can say at this point in time, no matter what kind of label someone wants to use, it can't be used as an excuse in it's entirety. I think that as I said, alot of Casey's problem is that her parents coddled, covered up for, spoiled, indulged and generally gave up their parental power over Casey. Whatever else anyone wants to tag on, fine by me, but the parents have a hand in the result of their child.

On the other hand, if these were super strict parents and casey had done this...there would be some that said that their strictness made casey lash out and go wild.

CANDYKISSES

01-19-2009, 05:25 PM

I have begun to lose faith in him recently.
Why is he badmouthing Kronk?
Kronk found Caylee!
I guess Conway's latest statments on Kronk answer the question some had - Did the A's ever thank Kronk for finding Caylee?
I guess is that they did not.

But, I am bothered by this.
How does Kronk relate to his representation of the A's?
It seems to me that Baez would be the one pointing a finger that direction.
Why the A's?
What does Kronk have to do with them, from a legal point of view?

Blu, you have such a gentle manner with words, you sure did polish that one up! :thumbsup:

CelticDawn

01-19-2009, 05:27 PM

I agree. In his interview w/GVS the other night he made it clear that he was just George and Cindy's attorney. Casey has plenty of her own attorney's and experts so I don't even know why Conway had to go down that road. I think unless he thinks that the MR killed Caylee or moved her body there, I don't know what he hopes to gain by focusing on him besides smoke and mirrors. I have a feeling that all the evidence that they have from the crime scene will lead LE to one person and one person only. CASEY.

IMO....Conway is awful....I can't stand him...!!!

sunstar

01-19-2009, 05:28 PM

Do you think that its possible that casey said something along the lines of "Ill kill her first" if and when CFindy threatened to seek custody of Caylee?...Ive heard this kind of a "ill see him/her dead" threat before unfortunately in my own family....That would certainly give Cindy a reason to feel guilt if she pushed Casey, heard that kind of remark,...and blew her off...

I do think that's possible. Maybe not those exact words, but yes, some kind of threat that wasn't taken seriously. :sad: MOO

joolz

01-19-2009, 05:28 PM

How can I be sure? I have heard her voice on the first phone call to home from the jailhouse & seen the 8/14 video. Then I added in how completely unconcerned she was while taking the police on that jaw-dropping goose chase w/o breaking a sweat. Scared the wits out of me, I'm tellin ya.

A person spoiled rotten by mommy & daddy, but NOT a psychopath, would have messed their britches as soon as they were in the presence of LE, who has no reason to treat you like you are "special". That's when the crying begins & the wailing & the gnashing of teeth, for the spoiled brats (think Paris Hilton).

Spoiled gets scared. Psychopath gets angry.

JMO

ITA Mimi. I suspect Casey is the perfect storm of nature and nurture, but since I'm not a mental health professional, that's just imo.

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:28 PM

I have tried to find a psychobabble label that casey fits in and believe I have gone from psychopath to multiple personality disorder. Nothing fits. Or many fit. All in the way you want to look at it, but one thing I can say at this point in time, no matter what kind of label someone wants to use, it can't be used as an excuse in it's entirety. I think that as I said, alot of Casey's problem is that her parents coddled, covered up for, spoiled, indulged and generally gave up their parental power over Casey. Whatever else anyone wants to tag on, fine by me, but the parents have a hand in the result of their child.

Color font mine.

JANUARY! By putting a "label" on her behavior is NOT an excuse! Where do you get that? I haven't heard ANYONE say she should get less time or be given any other consideration regardless of what psychiatric label she has. (Other that an active psychosis, but that's been ruled out, I believe.)

ruth66

01-19-2009, 05:28 PM

I don't think I'll ever forget what she said on the witness stand because it was one of the first clues that the family lives in their own reality. What "good mother" wouldn't report her 2 y/o child being abducted until forced to do so a month later? :sneaky: MOO

The answer CA gave during the bond hearing about Casey always getting eye level with CAYLEE when she had to reprimand her and blah blah blah was just a little thick for me...then when LEE repeated the exact same example and GA further repeated it (virtually word for word) I knew it was all BS..

JMO

IM4Truth

01-19-2009, 05:29 PM

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:30 PM

Not to mention the fact Conway was more than willing to start the bus for Roy Kronk to go under with Greta Saturday. :ohmy:

He's a real asset to the profession if you like that kind of message board hypothesizing, but I thought we expected more from him. I think the Cindy and George are getting boarding passes for the Jose Baez bus and their attorney will be in line too.

While I have suspicions about MR. Kronk, they aren't of the dastardly nature, rather just some questions about his discovery(ies).
JMO tho.

Good post Candy and ITA! :thumbsup:

TxLady2

01-19-2009, 05:34 PM

I have tried to find a psychobabble label that casey fits in and believe I have gone from psychopath to multiple personality disorder. Nothing fits. Or many fit. All in the way you want to look at it, but one thing I can say at this point in time, no matter what kind of label someone wants to use, it can't be used as an excuse in it's entirety. I think that as I said, alot of Casey's problem is that her parents coddled, covered up for, spoiled, indulged and generally gave up their parental power over Casey. Whatever else anyone wants to tag on, fine by me, but the parents have a hand in the result of their child.

But not every child who is coddled, covered up for, spoiled, indulged and etc., ends up murdering their own child. Some go on and grow up and become productive members of society.
How do we know that this would not have happened anyway? Casey was 4 years away from childhood, she had time to have developed all kinds of evil tendencies in that time. She was an adult... far past the age that we should be blaming her actions on her parents or their raising her.

RiverWalk

01-19-2009, 05:34 PM

Coming up after the break: Anthony COV

Thank you. I watched it.

Baez filed a COV, but since the courts are closed we wait.

The A's are awaiting the release of Caylee's remains before they can make funeral arrangements. I "guess" Team Casey are still doing tests?

sunstar

01-19-2009, 05:35 PM

The answer CA gave during the bond hearing about Casey always getting eye level with CAYLEE when she had to reprimand her and blah blah blah was just a little thick for me...then when LEE repeated the exact same example and GA further repeated it (virtually word for word) I knew it was all BS..

JMO

It was a little strange to me also. You take three witnesses to a traffic accident, for example, and there's a good chance all three will see something different. So how is it these three all say the same words, unless they're part of a "script"? :rolleyes: MOO

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:40 PM

Well, I can read, Lav. And not just today's threads. Some people have said that INCLUDING MYSELF because of some psychiatric problems Casey has, might be the reason why she would go off and allegedly kill her own child. So, in answer to your question....MYSELF.

But I take that more as a *reason* she killed Caylee. To me an "excuse" implies some kind of mitigation. (I'm not fussing, LOL. Just trying to understand.)

playnice

01-19-2009, 05:41 PM

Why did part 2 get locked?

IM4Truth

01-19-2009, 05:41 PM

Thank you. I watched it.

Baez filed a COV, but since the courts are closed we wait.

The A's are awaiting the release of Caylee's remains before they can make funeral arrangements. I "guess" Team Casey are still doing tests?

No he hasn't filed it yet, said he couldn't get to the courthouse today to "get his hands on the papers" because of the holiday. If you ask me he should have already had the papers.

What did they say about burial of the remains? I heard something and got interrupted.

shelbar53

01-19-2009, 05:42 PM

I just dont understand how this case can go to court. Do you think the state will put the DP back on the table?

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:42 PM

Then you haven't been reading my posts, Lav. Because I have said this a hundred times. If she suffers from any kind of psychiatric disorder that they can prove, she needs a psychiatric hospital not a jail.

January, I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm truly not. I'm sorry if I behaved in a way that seemed so.

RiverWalk

01-19-2009, 05:44 PM

Why did part 2 get locked?

Started posting too early and had two threads going????????

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:44 PM

playnice

01-19-2009, 05:44 PM

Mimi, have you ever run across links on how to parent these children? It's one thing to understand all about them, it's another to try to raise them. I mean, after all, these parents have to do something with them. Surely there are resources for parents of children suspected of being, or who have been diagnosed as psychopathic or sociopathic? Seems with all the data available on the beast, there should at least be some info available on what to do with the beast?

I'd be interested to see where what we know of Anthony Family Dynamics fits into the guidelines or suggestions for how to deal with a hopeless child.

When I was little I knew I had to behave when we went somewhere or Id get spanked. People are afraid to discipline any more. Maybe thats whats gone wrong.

Mimi428

01-19-2009, 05:45 PM

Bolding mine.

You are assuming the A's tried "initial methods." I haven't seen any evidence of that. If you have, I hope you'll share it.

Since you're characterizing Casey's disorder as not only psychopathy, but the extreme end of it (and I don't necessarily disagree), how would you characterize Cindy's? Is there anything you've seen from Cindy that gives you pause with regard to how emotionally healthy she is, especially with regard to raising a daughter with serious emotional problems of her own?

Do you consider the "us against the world" outlook the A's demonstrate, their comfort with lies and concealment, and their lack of conscience with regard to making accusations against others (in particular, Jesse and Amy) to be hallmarks of parents who meet their own children's problems head on?

Just because there are worse parents than the A's who've turned out good kids has nothing to do with this debate, imo. That's like a kid telling his parent that because Johnny jumped out a window on the 20th floor and lived, it's okay for him to do. Just because some people get lucky doesn't erase the fact that the majority do not. I don't understand what that "proves." This debate has to do with how the Anthonys have likely contributed to the outcome we're all discussing.

As to your question, I can't be sure. But having watched the behavior of her parents, I am much less inclined to attribute each and every thing Casey is and has done to whatever disorder she is diagnosed with. Because, imo, the A's are so lacking in character first, and parenting skills second, we'll never know how much of what Casey became was nature and how much was nurture.

I don't think it's wise to scream from the rooftops that the Caseys of the world can't be helped by their parents, no matter what. There are a percentage of people who are born bad, but no one knows what that percentage really is. There's danger, imo, in painting difficult children with too broad a "can't be helped" brush.

No, I am not assuming the Anthony's tried anything. I am simply pointing out, just as you are doing to me, that we do not know what they may have said or done with/to Casey in her younger years, when it comes to Casey demonstrating bad behavior.

Since I don't think anyone but Casey murdered Caylee, and since I have no bona fide clue as to how they all lived before any of us were introduced to them, I haven't spent a whole lot of time pondering the rest of the family. I do think Cindy has been revealing reactions & behavior that is extreme, to say the least.

If worse parents than the A's don't belong here, then better parents than the A's don't belong in this discussion, either. However, I don't for one second think we are going to get less of the "if this were MY kid I would get the TRUTH out of her", which is an example of "better parents than the A's". But, such is the nature of message boards. I can live with it.

I don't think we are going to end up anytime soon in a place where it is shouted from the rooftops that parents can do nothing, so nothing should/could be done. I hope that our society gains a better understanding of all the components that go into psychopathy, so we can get to the day where we waste less time on stuff that DOESN'T work, & more time on stuff that may be helpful.

To that end, I think it is less than useless to point at someone like Casey & say "bad parents, bad Cindy, bad George, Casey is where she is because of her crappy parents".

JMO

IM4Truth

01-19-2009, 05:45 PM

I just dont understand how this case can go to court. Do you think the state will put the DP back on the table?

Why don't you think it can go to court? No DP and I doubt they will put it back on the table since there is no proof of how it took place.

desmom

01-19-2009, 05:45 PM

Why did part 2 get locked?

I think CW may have locked the wrong thread. jmo

johnielee333

01-19-2009, 05:46 PM

Its hard for me to even grasp someone who doesnt understand emotions because Im very emotional. Casey was a movie buff and pulled alot of her characters and things she done like put her daughter in the trunk. actually its sad that someone cant feel normal emotions and have to copy them.

i dont think i feel normal emotions. i also dont think i love deeply. i have been studying myself for the last 5 yrs & feel like i'm not a normal person. i feel like i am not from this world & dont know why i'm the way i am.

Motomom

01-19-2009, 05:47 PM

ITA Mimi. I suspect Casey is the perfect storm of nature and nurture, but since I'm not a mental health professional, that's just imo.

I agree with this 100%

IM4Truth

01-19-2009, 05:48 PM

Well, here's the thing. This (and the whole "accident vs. intentional") are two issues that I find myself waffling every darn day about. Is she sick or evil, was it an accident or intentional. I have posted that before. You just have not been reading my posts, that's fine. The board moves too darn fast to read every single post from every single poster. No biggy.

In the beginning I was sure it was accidental until everything started coming out, seeing her shopping at Target, finding out about all of the stealing, partying, etc. But here is a question, January, if it was an accident, why duct tape around her mouth, and why was she put in a plastic bag and thrown in the swamp to rot? 911

Lavenia

01-19-2009, 05:49 PM

I gotta give you credit, Lav. Most of the time the board is so fast I can hardly keep up. I miss alot of posts and sometimes dont even see people posting to me and then I don't get to answer or respond. I don't like doing that but it's too fast for me.

I have to qualify that statement. I only read the posts while I'm on here. I don't often go very far back in reading old posts but I do read all posts while I'm here posting.

jammies

01-19-2009, 05:52 PM

i dont think i feel normal emotions. i also dont think i love deeply. i have been studying myself for the last 5 yrs & feel like i'm not a normal person. i feel like i am not from this world & dont know why i'm the way i am.

I've seen your posts about a little girl that you didn't even know. I see how much compassion you have for others, JL. Don't sell yourself short.

bluwaters

01-19-2009, 05:53 PM