Monday morning jan.19th part 1

[happygert]

I agree with that...after the first release form jail...Cindy said that she was "calm" now and that she understood what happened....I can not see anyone being CALM, while a 2 year old is still unaccounted for....I believe that she told Lee, and I also believe that it was from that point on that Cindy and George started going all in defense of Casey...(I believe that was because they knew they had lost Caylee and wanted to save Casey)......MOO

IMO cindy knew That Caylee was dead from mintue she got that car from impound lot.. They went in to cover mode from that point on..The only time I seen cindy tell the truth was when she called 911.. right after the call when she realized what she said to 911 operator she started lying.. No way Will I ever believe she didnt get the truth out of casey..Casey was home for 7 weeks before the murder charges came down. NO WAY would cindy not get the truth...She got it. C knew there was no where for casey to go she didnt let up on her until she got the answers she wanted...C n G knew...

[Elle]

The jury pool is not tainted at all. If we, on this board, are an example of what the jury pool might be, Casey will get a fair and unbiased trial. JMO.

Hi Dunlurken, thanks for replying.
I agree, but isn't that what Baez is claiming?

[Barbara fl.]

You must have reallllly long arms. There were not in the same building! JMO


That's why I said the "screen"....I probably would have ripped it to threads trying to get to her.....even knowing I couldn't....:cursing: I would have pretended like h***....:biggrin:

[destiny1]

All we've seen in that respect, however, Barbara, is the alleged email she sent to Lois. We truly don't know what Cindy is thinking right now. I personaly believe she knows Casey killed Caylee. Where I differ, though, is that I don't require that she come out in public and say that. What's in her heart is in her heart. Matters nothing at all to me that she come out publicly and show humiliation. I think others want that. Not me.

I don't require any kind of public display from people in general. I think that the reason so many do want to hear her speak is because they believe, and so dod I, that she uses the media when she does want to make a point. Personally, from here on, I think she should be left alone. Again, it's human instinct to want to see someone humiliated. We feed off it, and the media does too. It's like a career-making event for a media figure to "bring someone down".

[IM4Truth]

Well we can agree to disagree, Regina. In my opinion, they have not tampered with evidence or obstructed justice. And I do not think criticisms of the family were justly deserved.

But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.

SS if you don't believe they tampered with evidence and obstructed justice, why do you think they want immunity? I see why the public has been so harsh on them for many reasons. They never once came before the cameras in a news press in tears begging the kidnappers to return their daughter. All they did was present a negative appearance to the media. No, none of us know how we would act in that situation if our family was in the spotlight for such a tragedy. Even Scott Peterson's mother supported him but we sure didn't see this type of behavior. I didn't follow boards at the time, but I followed the case pretty closely. The Anthonys knew Caylee was dead from the time they picked up that car. Then they put up that farce of searching for her, implicating other peoples lives having officers show up on doorsteps wanting to see birth certificates for their own children to prove it wasn't Caylee. Sorry, I tend to have mixed emotions about them too. They have lost Caylee and now they have to deal with Casey, though Lord only knows why they would want her back in their home.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well we can agree to disagree, Regina. In my opinion, they have not tampered with evidence or obstructed justice. And I do not think criticisms of the family were justly deserved.

But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.

"Pulling wings off flies" and "rubbing salt into a wound" is not how I would characterize the feelings of us who only want this family to tell the truth so that this murdered child can receive the justice she deserves.

BTW, I wonder how the "full immunity" talks are going?

[Neffy]

Does a gag order prevent the media from releasing/airing/printing doc's, tapes ect. ? I do not understand why Baez, who goes on national tv shows and uses the media, the same person who fought against the gag order, would be allowed a change of venue. I am sure my lack of knowledge is jumping off the screen. He uses the media to achieve a certain outcome, and then gets all pissy when it backfires.
IMO he participated in 'tainting the jury pool' hoping to have better luck somewhere else, splatters his face on national tv. and brings alot of publicity himself, then uses that, which he helped create as a reason to get a COV. Seems hypocritical to me. I have not followed many cases at all, is this par for the course? A misuse of the system?

thank you

ITA it is hypocritical to ask but he will be granted it. Baez has motioned for no gag to find some kind of technicality to use to prevent his client from conviction. He has nothing else. IMO it's part of his strategy for a technicality.

[101Spots]

LOL, good luck with that one jose...... :laugh:

Yes, I hold you completely responsible for our loss. :tonguewag:

You don't mean to tell me that you can't see that Superman suit underneath his tie?
Jose should find the Law School Cliff Notes and bone up on some of these finer points.


Well, I *was* wearing my lucky Steeler socks!:tonguewag:

[jammies]

'Morning:seeya:. I have been thinking about Casey & her narcisism & pathological lying. Someone in my own family who I have grown up with & known my entire life(but no longer speak to), shows all these same symptoms & has for years. The thing I think is strange is, like Casey, this family member lies about the exact same things. The house-parents turning it over to him, the amount of money he claims to have in the bank, being caught red handed with stealing and or lying, but will say he didnt do it, LONG RAP SHEET, i could go on for pages but wont bore you guys,..........ALSO the mother of this family member chooses not to see any of this even after being confronted with so so many things. I see so many similarities in the things they lie about it's scary!! As to my knowledge though, this family member hasn't murdered anyone. just wanted to add that.
Just had to get that off my chest because to me, like i said the THINGS they seem to lie about are so eerily similar.:chicken::scared:

I posted my similar story the other day. Friends of our with a crazy son. My biggest fear is that he will hurt his mother.
Like I said the other day, it's so frustrating for the rest of us to sit back and be able to do NOTHING. Just wait for the other shoe to drop.........tick tock.

[bama__angel]

That's probably the funniest post I've read in a year.

You ARE kidding, right? :lol::lol::lol:

Heck even if there were solid evidence that Casey didn't kill Caylee I think she would still be convicted, if for nothing more than hatred for Cindy Anthony.

MY opinion!


Savannah............Most of the time I can find at least some sense in your posts..............This one however is ridiculous...IMO

In your own words.......You're kidding right?

[IM4Truth]

Does a gag order prevent the media from releasing/airing/printing doc's, tapes ect. ? I do not understand why Baez, who goes on national tv shows and uses the media, the same person who fought against the gag order, would be allowed a change of venue. I am sure my lack of knowledge is jumping off the screen. He uses the media to achieve a certain outcome, and then gets all pissy when it backfires.
IMO he participated in 'tainting the jury pool' hoping to have better luck somewhere else, splatters his face on national tv. and brings alot of publicity himself, then uses that, which he helped create as a reason to get a COV. Seems hypocritical to me. I have not followed many cases at all, is this par for the course? A misuse of the system?

thank you

Elle, that's a very good point. Wasn't it the prosecution that requested the gag order and JB didn't want it? If he didn't want the gag order, then stay in Orlando and face the music!

[destiny1]

Well we can agree to disagree, Regina. In my opinion, they have not tampered with evidence or obstructed justice. And I do not think criticisms of the family were justly deserved.

But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.
SAVANNAH! shame on you likening her opinion, and others, to pulling wings off flies!


I have a lot of sympathy for the Anthonys, both Cindy and George, but they did what they did, and it will all come out in the wash so to speak.

[Barbara fl.]

IMO cindy knew That Caylee was dead from mintue she got that car from impound lot.. They went in to cover mode from that point on..The only time I seen cindy tell the truth was when she called 911.. right after the call when she realized what she said to 911 operator she started lying.. No way Will I ever believe she didnt get the truth out of casey..Casey was home for 7 weeks before the murder charges came down. NO WAY would cindy not get the truth...She got it. C knew there was no where for casey to go she didnt let up on her until she got the answers she wanted...C n G knew...

Yes...and I believe it was around the time when she went in front of the media and said "i'm calm now"....To me, it meant that she came to terms with Caylee's death and had that little closure, rather then to think that Caylee was out there somewhere being harmed....It WAS from that point on that Cindy went totally in defense of Casey....This is MOO


I also believe that Lee got to his parents real fast and advised them that "this is it" and "what are we going to do from here"? And it was probably discussed and agreed upon that they would now try and save Casey.....JMO

[canada]

Not only did LE probably take that bag but bags from Tony's apartment as well and other places Casey flopped for the night. There were a few other items in that trash bag that might have been of interest to LE as well such as the torn ball cap.


My worries about the trash bag issue is that at the time nobody thought it was relevant and it may have been missed.

[court~critic1®]

Well we can agree to disagree, Regina. In my opinion, they have not tampered with evidence or obstructed justice. And I do not think criticisms of the family were justly deserved.

But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.



SS........ I see no difference between this set of parents than another set of parents that we did agree on them doing the very things you are saying it is ok for this set of parents to do. Both were and are doing the very same thing, but then you may have changed your mind about the other parents.

I would pm you, but that function is turned off on your end. (smile)

[Neffy]

]"Pulling wings off flies" and "rubbing salt into a wound"[/B] is not how I would characterize the feelings of us who only want this family to tell the truth so that this murdered child can receive the justice she deserves.

BTW, I wonder how the "full immunity" talks are going?

Bolding mine
:rolleyes:

Conway and Baez have both sided up which I'm sure the state is full aware of Conways interview with Geraldo. No immunity will be granted after that IMO. After that interview which was scathing I doubt they'll have a chance.

[bluwaters]

<snip>
But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.

I can't see it at all.
I certainly don't see it often on this board.
I wonder what prompts such a post? (rhetorical)

[5boxersmom]

Yes...and I believe it was around the time when she went in front of the media and said "i'm calm now"....To me, it meant that she came to terms with Caylee's death and had that little closure, rather then to think that Caylee was out there somewhere being harmed....It WAS from that point on that Cindy went totally in defense of Casey....This is MOO


I also believe that Lee got to his parents real fast and advised them that "this is it" and "what are we going to do from here"? And it was probably discussed and agreed upon that they would now try and save Casey.....JMO

Yet they continued to ask for donations and plaster an innocent child's picture all over the tv. That is what bothers me about the Anthonys. They knew that child was not Caylee in that picture.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

That's probably the funniest post I've read in a year.

You ARE kidding, right? :lol::lol::lol:

Heck even if there were solid evidence that Casey didn't kill Caylee I think she would still be convicted, if for nothing more than hatred for Cindy Anthony.

MY opinion!

No, I think the forensics, toxicology, etc. need to be heard before we can determine what the outcome of this trial is. I would hope a jury of Casey's peers will determine the guilt or non-guilt of Casey.

And you should understand where I'm coming from. JMO.

[playnice]

"Pulling wings off flies"

Ive never heard that expression before.
Ill have to remember that one.:biggrin:

[IM4Truth]

All we've seen in that respect, however, Barbara, is the alleged email she sent to Lois. We truly don't know what Cindy is thinking right now. I personaly believe she knows Casey killed Caylee. Where I differ, though, is that I don't require that she come out in public and say that. What's in her heart is in her heart. Matters nothing at all to me that she come out publicly and show humiliation. I think others want that. Not me.

Oh SS, I totally agree with you. I know I really don't want to hear Cindy come out and say she knows her daughter killed her granddaughter! I think the problem is that Cindy is just such a controlling, outspoken, my way or no way person that it just grates on most peoples nerves. I think all we want to here her say is that she loves her daughter and supports her. She should never have called the public maggots, telling them to go out and look for Caylee and when they did criticize them for looking for a dead Caylee. She took her anger for Casey out on the public.

[SavannahStar]

Savannah............Most of the time I can find at least some sense in your posts..............This one however is ridiculous...IMO

In your own words.......You're kidding right?

Thanks, ba. But no, I am not kidding. I don't think most on here could be on an impartial jury. I don't mean in particular THIS case, either. I always hope (and I'm not sure if this is true) that one of the questions asked of prospective jurors is: "Do you participate on crime message boards about this case?"

IMO.

[Mimi428]

I think Cindy Anthony is so traumatized that she kicked into survival mode. Her brain cant accept what happened. I really feel sorry for her she is in agony.

I think so too. When I look at her, I can't help but wonder how much any of us, anyone at all, could withstand before we broke down into a non-functioning, irrational shell of a person. What would it take to destroy you so completely? (that's a rhetorical question, not directed to you specifically, but to everyone)

To me, she is destroyed. Her world has been an unendurable h#ll. NOTHING she could do or say would have changed what Casey was doing in the jailhouse video. Wouldn't have mattered if Casey's parents yelled at her, cussed her out, fell on their knees, begged - would not have mattered at all. Casey knew she could not say what the truth was & she was determined to not give anyone any information that would help find Caylee.

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

That's probably the funniest post I've read in a year.

You ARE kidding, right? :lol::lol::lol:

Heck even if there were solid evidence that Casey didn't kill Caylee I think she would still be convicted, if for nothing more than hatred for Cindy Anthony.

MY opinion!

Nah, I have more faith in our jury system then that. There will be more then enough potential jurors who can swear they will reserve judgement until they have heard all the evidence during the trial.

Doesn't matter what they have heard, the only thing that matters is if they can swear to disregard it.

It was done for simpson, so surely it can be done for this run of the mill child killer. imo.

[Elle]

ITA it is hypocritical to ask but he will be granted it. Baez has motioned for no gag to find some kind of technicality to use to prevent his client from conviction. He has nothing else. IMO it's part of his strategy for a technicality.

Hi Neffy, Thanks, I agree. It is disgraceful. I am learning all too quickly that so much that goes on has nothing to do with seeking truth. Very disheartening. I would have thought that at my age I would have come to this realization already. I do have faith though that justice will be served, its just really painful to watch the wheels turning.
imo

[playnice]

I know one minute I really do feel sorry for Cindy. then she opens her mouth and I want to hammer some sense into her.
Can you imagine the emotions she must be going thru with casey? Loving her, hating her, wanting to choke the daylights out of her, guilt, betrayal, etc.

[Barbara fl.]

Yet they continued to ask for donations and plaster an innocent child's picture all over the tv. That is what bothers me about the Anthonys. They knew that child was not Caylee in that picture.

jmo


Yes, they chose to deceit the public the same way their daughter deceited them, the public and LE....


I would have drawn the line....no way could I have been able to do that under these circumstances.....Susan Smith's parents acted accordingly.....they asked for the public not to think too harshly of their daughter.....That is how I probably would have acted.....JMO

[Dunlurken]

Thanks, ba. But no, I am not kidding. I don't think most on here could be on an impartial jury. I don't mean in particular THIS case, either. I always hope (and I'm not sure if this is true) that one of the questions asked of prospective jurors is: "Do you participate on crime message boards about this case?"

IMO.

I've never heard that one asked. LOL. They do ask them what TV shows they watch though. JMO. If anyone says Nancy Grace, Greta or Geraldo, they would be thrown out immediately.

[SavannahStar]

Oh SS, I totally agree with you. I know I really don't want to hear Cindy come out and say she knows her daughter killed her granddaughter! I think the problem is that Cindy is just such a controlling, outspoken, my way or no way person that it just grates on most peoples nerves. I think all we want to here her say is that she loves her daughter and supports her. She should never have called the public maggots, telling them to go out and look for Caylee and when they did criticize them for looking for a dead Caylee. She took her anger for Casey out on the public.

Well said! I do agree she gets on people's nerves. And I agree she took her anger towards Casey out on the public. She's definitely an unsympathetic character in all this when you look at it that way. But I overlook a lot, when it comes to the circumstance of having your granddaughter murdered by your daughter.

[bluwaters]

I don't require any kind of public display from people in general. I think that the reason so many do want to hear her speak is because they believe, and so dod I, that she uses the media when she does want to make a point. Personally, from here on, I think she should be left alone. Again, it's human instinct to want to see someone humiliated. We feed off it, and the media does too. It's like a career-making event for a media figure to "bring someone down".*bolding mine*
I don't get that. Instinct?
I have no desire for Cindy to make any kind of an apology or bring humiliation on herself.
I just want her to tell the truth.
Not that what I want matters a bit anyways.

[Neffy]

That's EXACTLY the way I've been about Cindy, Bluey! She'll haul off and do/say something inappropriate, and I'm fuming, then I soften toward her after a bit, then she does it again. Rinse, lather, repeat.

Hey Lavenia,

I rewatched the bond hearing and yep I'll have to agree. I see a BLUEY taking shape.

[IM4Truth]

My worries about the trash bag issue is that at the time nobody thought it was relevant and it may have been missed.

That's why I can't wait to see the search warrants!!! Geez, it was 6 months later! I don't always buy the same brand of garbage bags, depends on where I am and the price. I even buy them from the dollar store but you have to be very careful with those and not overload them!

[Dunlurken]

Nah, I have more faith in our jury system then that. There will be more then enough potential jurors who can swear they will reserve judgement until they have heard all the evidence during the trial.

Doesn't matter what they have heard, the only thing that matters is if they can swear to disregard it.

It was done for simpson, so surely it can be done for this run of the mill child killer. imo.
And let us not forget Simpson was found NG. Long road ahead of us. JMO.

[bluwaters]

And for everyone who is thinking that Casey will get her come-uppance once she hits prison - well Diane has been sitting in jail nearly 25 years & to the best of my knowledge it has never been reported that she was threatened or attacked by her fellow inmates. Just sayin...

JMO
Thanks Mimi!

[magnolia]

Savannah............Most of the time I can find at least some sense in your posts..............This one however is ridiculous...IMO

In your own words.......You're kidding right?

I agree with what Savannah said about finding an impartial jury from the poster here - no way. I still remember at the beginning of this nightmare and all the comments about Cindy wearing sleeveless shirts to court. People said she had no class and didn't really love Caylee or hurt for her. I've read some ridiculous statements on here about Cindy.

It's obvious that Cindy loved Caylee very much and has been grieving for her.

[playnice]

And let us not forget Simpson was found NG. Long road ahead of us. JMO.

Simpson was "The Juice." Casey is a nobody. Big difference.

[Elle]

Elle, that's a very good point. Wasn't it the prosecution that requested the gag order and JB didn't want it? If he didn't want the gag order, then stay in Orlando and face the music!


Hi IM4Truth
You said exactly what I was trying to say with about 100 fewer words! I really need to work on that!:smile:

[AJandTam]

i think you were reading my mind:tongue: morning tam

Good Morning... The visual on that one got me.

[hamebone]

Nah, I have more faith in our jury system then that. There will be more then enough potential jurors who can swear they will reserve judgement until they have heard all the evidence during the trial.

Doesn't matter what they have heard, the only thing that matters is if they can swear to disregard it.

It was done for simpson, so surely it can be done for this run of the mill child killer. imo.

There are many people that havent followed this trial, like us crime junkies. I have friends that dont know what is going on. They have heard the name Caylee Anthony but dont know much beyond that.

[magnolia]

The jury pool is not tainted at all. If we, on this board, are an example of what the jury pool might be, Casey will get a fair and unbiased trial. JMO.

No way...I don't think unbaised jurors could be found here.

[september]

You both are right...none of us know how we would react if faced with such a tragedy...we can only think about what we would do.....HOWEVER.....and I must add that "however"....at the beginning before I knew anything, I would probably be on my daughters side in hope that maybe just maybe this one time my daughter was telling me the truth....but here we are 6 months down the line and all the evidence is right there in front of their eyes and they are ignoring every bit of it.....they know "Zenaida" doesn't exist....they know their daughter didn't report Caylee missing....they know that Caylee's body was in their daughters car...and they know how their daughter had lied to LE AND them....I believe I would have had to draw the line somewhere...If I didn't want to confront my daughter or help convict her, I would at least keep my mouth shut....but to continue to say that Casey is not responsible for this horrific murder is to justify it....and that I don't believe I would be doing...daughter or no daughter.....JMOO

What a great post. Aldos Huxley once said, "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored" I just wish the Anthonys could face the facts that you mentioned.

[Barbara fl.]

What I can not understand is why Caylee has not been put to rest yet?


As for keeping her body for further tests in totally rediculous.....


The best thing that could have happened for the defense was for the State ME to say "cause of death undetermined"....WHY would the defense push it for a cause of death? If by some slim chance they came up with one....it would be detrimental to their client....Why don't they just leave well enough alone....

Finding a cause of death would not change this case in the least....This case is not built on a cause of death but ONLY that the child is dead.....Casey had her chance to say it was an accident and go for manslaughter...but she refused.....so what is the point in hold up Caylee's burial?.....Just no sense to me.....

[Dunlurken]

bolding and underlining mine........

Well you'd be out just for that comment alone. I hope you are not implying that you think you could be on the jury.....unbiased and reserving judgment!

(I do not believe I could be; I will gladly admit that!)
Then you wouldn't be able to serve on a jury in this case. Just think about the many hundreds of thousands of people who haven't followed this case as closely as some of us have. They could be fair and impartial. So a jury can be found without having to go to mars. I don't even think a COV is in order unless they go to Miami maybe. JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

You don't mean to tell me that you can't see that Superman suit underneath his tie?
Jose should find the Law School Cliff Notes and bone up on some of these finer points.


Well, I *was* wearing my lucky Steeler socks!:tonguewag:

LOL, yes he's casey's knight in shining armor all right


I take it back, there are some posters who enjoy rubbing salt into wounds! :tonguewag:

[Dunlurken]

No way...I don't think unbaised jurors could be found here.

Where is Here? On this board?

EDIT to add: This one's for you Laci Girl. RIP.

[IM4Truth]

Thanks, ba. But no, I am not kidding. I don't think most on here could be on an impartial jury. I don't mean in particular THIS case, either. I always hope (and I'm not sure if this is true) that one of the questions asked of prospective jurors is: "Do you participate on crime message boards about this case?"

IMO.

Unfortunately in this age of the internet, that will probably start to be a standard question asked of potential jurors. Though I must admit, I didn't know about these blogs until this case came up. If I had known about Jon Benet and Laci, I would have been right here. So this is new to me.

Now another question on this case would be whether they could convict someone of murder based on CE alone.

All in all though, I think from many comments on this board that they will be able to find an impartial jury and possibly right there in Orlando. Though there are some on the board that really aren't impartial and just want to bait others so it's hard to tell.

[Lavenia]

There are many people that havent followed this trial, like us crime junkies. I have friends that dont know what is going on. They have heard the name Caylee Anthony but dont know much beyond that.

No one I know would know anything about this (except my mom) if it weren't for me. (Which I guess *is* knowing about it, but still) They know the story exists, but they don't have a clue about the particulars. They just know Mom has a new hobby. :biggrin:

[jammies]

*bolding mine*
I don't get that. Instinct?
I have no desire for Cindy to make any kind of an apology or bring humiliation on herself.
I just want her to tell the truth.
Not that what I want matters a bit anyways.


Some just can't separate the two. It's black and white to them. They can't understand that OF COURSE we feel bad for them, realize they had nothing to do with the death of their grandbaby but we also can't condone the lying, grandstanding, etc. Two entirely different things.

[Loves2Read]

You're right Savannah. I've seen many posts from people who say they don't need a trial, they are ready to convict now based on rumor instead of true evidence. I find it scary.

I have been reading this board quite a bit, and I have not seen "many posts from people who say they don't need a trial".

I totally disagree with you.

[jelato]

Oh I just had to go and re-listen to that audio. :mad:
Amazing. Truly truly amazing.
The little piece of work is sitting in jail and she's angry no one gives her TonE's number? Christina gets very emotional about Caylee being missing and Casey, not fizzed at all Christina is crying, spews calling you guys was a huge waste.

Stopping right here. BP rising

After listening to other calls, and then going back to this early one, it just seems that Christina was the only family/friend who really asked the hard questions of Casey. Usually it was just pussy footing around Casey. Hi beautiful, He gorgeous, etc... sickening.

[BANJO GRANNY]

I think KC only gets 1 hr per wk to view TV. Do the other inmates get to see the news coverage and/or TH shows? If they do, they have a lot of information on which to base their yelling! JMO
Did Casey not buy a radio from the jail, so that way she is hearing the news on the radio. IMO She knows everything that is going on.



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[IM4Truth]

I agree with what Savannah said about finding an impartial jury from the poster here - no way. I still remember at the beginning of this nightmare and all the comments about Cindy wearing sleeveless shirts to court. People said she had no class and didn't really love Caylee or hurt for her. I've read some ridiculous statements on here about Cindy.

It's obvious that Cindy loved Caylee very much and has been grieving for her.

I would think that all of the comments about who wore what and how their hair looked that day would go out the window during a trial. Though I have already convicted her, I still would like to see if I could be objectional and listen to all of the evidence presented and base my conclusion only on the evidence.

[Danette44]

"Pulling wings off flies" and "rubbing salt into a wound" is not how I would characterize the feelings of us who only want this family to tell the truth so that this murdered child can receive the justice she deserves.

BTW, I wonder how the "full immunity" talks are going?

I'm wondering about the Full Immunity also - this mite be a dumb question but I'm going to ask anyway - say they all got FI - can one of them say they did it and then not be charged for it and Casey walks free? Godforbid that to happen......

[SavannahStar]

Then you wouldn't be able to serve on a jury in this case. Just think about the many hundreds of thousands of people who haven't followed this case as closely as some of us have. They could be fair and impartial. So a jury can be found without having to go to mars. I don't even think a COV is in order unless they go to Miami maybe. JMO.


Dunnie.......I already included myself. No, I do not think I could be unbiased. I believe Casey is guilty. I have already made up my mind.

I believe the subject is posters on HERE......of course I agree that there are people out there in the public, in FL, who could make up a fair and unbiased jury. That is not what you said in the post I responded to initially. You were talking about posters on here.

[Dunlurken]

Unfortunately in this age of the internet, that will probably start to be a standard question asked of potential jurors. Though I must admit, I didn't know about these blogs until this case came up. If I had known about Jon Benet and Laci, I would have been right here. So this is new to me.

Now another question on this case would be whether they could convict someone of murder based on CE alone.

All in all though, I think from many comments on this board that they will be able to find an impartial jury and possibly right there in Orlando. Though there are some on the board that really aren't impartial and just want to bait others so it's hard to tell.
CE is not enough, but when combined with FE, it's enough. I think we have both in this case. JMO.

[playnice]

I'm wondering about the Full Immunity also - this mite be a dumb question but I'm going to ask anyway - say they all got FI - can one of them say they did it and then not be charged for it and Casey walks free? Godforbid that to happen......

A TH said they could a few days ago on that show that comes on before Jane.

[Neffy]

I have been reading this board quite a bit, and I have not seen "many posts from people who say they don't need a trial".

I totally disagree with you.


Quite the opposite actually. Everyone can't wait. :)

[Loves2Read]

Savannah has convicted Casey. Hey is this a bait?

Hmmmmm you could very well be right. There I go taking the bait again.

[Explorer]

One thing I think that I have noticed about Zanaida Gonzolez is that it was Caseys own little joke to herself. She used Zanaida when she was doing something bad like the hair straightener. It was probably stolen from a store. When her mother asked where did it come from she probably said Zanny gave it to her. Littlle inside joke that only she knew and thought that she was sooo cleverly funny.

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie.......I already included myself. No, I do not think I could be unbiased. I believe Casey is guilty. I have already made up my mind.

I believe the subject is posters on HERE......of course I agree that there are people out there in the public, in FL, who could make up a fair and unbiased jury. That is not what you said in the post I responded to initially. You were talking about posters on here.Sorry if I confused you. I wasn't talking about posters on this board. I was talking about the general public, and I do think an impartial jury can be found. JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

bolding and underlining mine........

Well you'd be out just for that comment alone. I hope you are not implying that you think you could be on the jury.....unbiased and reserving judgment!

(I do not believe I could be; I will gladly admit that!)

I would be honest with the lawyers and tell them I think she is guilty as all get out. That in addition to my fly wing pulling and salt insertion into wounds hobbies would be enough to keep me off the jury, imo.

[magnolia]

Where is Here? On this board?

EDIT to add: This one's for you Laci Girl. RIP.


Yes here. You indicated that if we (the posters) were a sampling of potential jurors, finding an unbiased and fair jury will be easy.

My point is the posters here are NOT unbiased - not even close.

Let me go find the post - in case I'm not clear.

[Barbara fl.]

Unfortunately in this age of the internet, that will probably start to be a standard question asked of potential jurors. Though I must admit, I didn't know about these blogs until this case came up. If I had known about Jon Benet and Laci, I would have been right here. So this is new to me.

Now another question on this case would be whether they could convict someone of murder based on CE alone.

All in all though, I think from many comments on this board that they will be able to find an impartial jury and possibly right there in Orlando. Though there are some on the board that really aren't impartial and just want to bait others so it's hard to tell.


If it weren't for CE the jails would probably be empty...I don't and can't think of too many people that would commit a murder in full view unless of course it was self defense....or something of that nature...

All cases are built on CE and when ALL the circumstances go ONLY in one direction and there is NOT a REASONABLE doubt....there is usually a conviction.....such as what will happen in this case....

And I agree, they will be able to find an impartial jury, probably right in Orlando......BUT as soon as those impartial juror's hear this case, they will no longer be impartial....this case (in my opinion) is a slam dunk....No where can anyone possibly believe a "Zenaida" story or the likes of one......JMOO

[magnolia]

The jury pool is not tainted at all. If we, on this board, are an example of what the jury pool might be, Casey will get a fair and unbiased trial. JMO.

The second sentence is what I totally disagree with. Maybe I read it wrong?

[hamebone]

You're right Savannah. I've seen many posts from people who say they don't need a trial, they are ready to convict now based on rumor instead of true evidence. I find it scary.


I dont believe you have seen many post on here saying Casey doesnt need a trial and SS has already said she believes Casey is guilty.

You just like to take a dig at posters here any chance you get. When you get banned you cant sign up and get back on here fast enough.....you must really like it here a lot...

[CelticDawn]

A TH said they could a few days ago on that show that comes on before Jane.




I heard that
<good morning yall>


I would think they wouldnt get anything other than Use immunity.....and if they DID get full immunity...they would turn around and charge them in Federal court with violation of caylees civil rights.....and other things that would put them away.....but all that is an IF..

I wish the as would behave themselves and do whats right....but on the other hand....people need to stop ragging on them....Theyre doing what any parent in the world would WANT TO do.....just not going about it the right way....

[Loves2Read]

I would be honest with the lawyers and tell them I think she is guilty as all get out. That in addition to my fly wing pulling and salt insertion into wounds hobbies would be enough to keep me off the jury, imo.

I think this is my favorite post so far. :biggrin:

[jelato]

I honestly think she will hold her composure in court. I have a feeling we will see a very flat affect from her throughout the trial. Occasionally looking down at a yellow legal pad in front of her and sometimes smiling at Baez. I don't think for a minute she will "lose it" in court.

I often think that defendants receive xanax (now isnt that ironic) or something else to calm them during these sessions. If they arent going to testify how alert do that have to be for what is said. It's better for the defense lawyers for them to be numb and not have their client overreacting to testimony.

[Barbara fl.]

Did Casey not buy a radio from the jail, so that way she is hearing the news on the radio. IMO She knows everything that is going on.



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON



You bring up a good point...I believe that inmates are allowed radio's...she probably is hearing all about the case.....but then again maybe she doesn't want to hear it....she probably is content thinking that her lies might be being believed.....

[Elle]

CE is not enough, but when combined with FE, it's enough. I think we have both in this case. JMO.


FE is CE no?

[chrissybot]

I posted my similar story the other day. Friends of our with a crazy son. My biggest fear is that he will hurt his mother.
Like I said the other day, it's so frustrating for the rest of us to sit back and be able to do NOTHING. Just wait for the other shoe to drop.........tick tock.
EXACTLY! thats how we feel. The mother of this family member has literally caught him taking money from her purse & LOOKED THE OTHER WAY!! I couldn't take anymore, so we no longer talk to any of these people. TOO nausiating for me. I believe this mother, like Cindy has known of their childrens antics for years & chose to look the other way. IMO

[SavannahStar]

Sorry if I confused you. I wasn't talking about posters on this board. I was talking about the general public, and I do think an impartial jury can be found. JMO.


Ah, okay gottcha, dunnie! I agree an impartial jury can be found in the public in FL. Absolutely. (Not in Orlando, though, I don't think. I believe a COV will be approved.)

[IM4Truth]

I'm wondering about the Full Immunity also - this mite be a dumb question but I'm going to ask anyway - say they all got FI - can one of them say they did it and then not be charged for it and Casey walks free? Godforbid that to happen......

No, that has been asked on many TV reports before.

[playnice]

None of us belong on the CA jury. We know too much about the case and have dissected it to pieces. But, believe it or not, alot of people really know little and really dont care. I think they can find 12 people to listen to the evidence.
Since we or at least me have become an addict to this case, its hard to imagine everyone isnt. No one at my work follows this case.

[martha]

There are many people that havent followed this trial, like us crime junkies. I have friends that dont know what is going on. They have heard the name Caylee Anthony but dont know much beyond that.Hi sweetie, You or so right my family don;t even know what I am talking about when I bring this up.Only one in my family knows what I am talking about. I am sure that a lot of people don;t know about this case. I have trouble even getting new on it if I don;t watch ng. It is such a messed up case I don't even try to explain it to anyone. When I go to telling it it sounds like something I am just making up. jmho

[magnolia]

I would think that all of the comments about who wore what and how their hair looked that day would go out the window during a trial. Though I have already convicted her, I still would like to see if I could be objectional and listen to all of the evidence presented and base my conclusion only on the evidence.

You've already convicted her. You can't be on the jury. But yes, it would be interesting to see how far you would move from your original position. I don't think I would be swayed very much.

[Mimi428]

Yes, they chose to deceit the public the same way their daughter deceited them, the public and LE....


I would have drawn the line....no way could I have been able to do that under these circumstances.....Susan Smith's parents acted accordingly.....they asked for the public not to think too harshly of their daughter.....That is how I probably would have acted.....JMO

Right now I believe pretty much without question that Casey killed Caylee & acted alone in doing so. I don't believe that of the rest of the Anthonys. I don't think murder is quite the same thing as lying about the murderer.

As for the other, I just can't feel all warm & fuzzy towards a stepfather who sexually abused a CHILD & continued it for years - nor a mother who knew it & put up with it.

JMO

[CelticDawn]

You're right Savannah. I've seen many posts from people who say they don't need a trial, they are ready to convict now based on rumor instead of true evidence. I find it scary.

Not true. at least not here.


They have evidence. Just because the general public isnt privy to it all doesnt mean its nonexistant. If they didnt have something mighty substantial, Caseys charges would have been lowered at the very least or dropped altogether. Just because you or I may not consider some items evidence doesn't mean that they are not evidence.

If I had to say what I wanted today <not that it makes a difference> I would say lets go with it, but make sure its fair.

[Pretty Leaf]

I think so too. When I look at her, I can't help but wonder how much any of us, anyone at all, could withstand before we broke down into a non-functioning, irrational shell of a person. What would it take to destroy you so completely? (that's a rhetorical question, not directed to you specifically, but to everyone)

To me, she is destroyed. Her world has been an unendurable h#ll. NOTHING she could do or say would have changed what Casey was doing in the jailhouse video. Wouldn't have mattered if Casey's parents yelled at her, cussed her out, fell on their knees, begged - would not have mattered at all. Casey knew she could not say what the truth was & she was determined to not give anyone any information that would help find Caylee.

JMO

I've been there and had a complete breakdown and could only function with limited success. There were some VERY BAD people we were dealing with. That being said when I had to go into mother's mode to get the best possible outcome I did. I made the phone calls, went to court, found a rehab and got him there and refused to see him or talk to him for the first couple of months for his own good so he didn't use his manipulation on me.

I in no way condone actions G and C but I can in some way undersdtand it. You are on remote, and little miss Casey is still pulling the strings, unless they cut ties, which they may be doing now, Casey will try to pull them down to, more than she already has.

[happygert]

Well we can agree to disagree, Regina. In my opinion, they have not tampered with evidence or obstructed justice. And I do not think criticisms of the family were justly deserved.

But then too.....I can see it.......same as how I can see how some people enjoy pulling wings off flies or that sort of thing.....rubbing salt in wounds......kicking a person who is already down.......

I don't agree with it, but it seems to be quite popular.

Let me get this straight.. Just because they washed the pants, cleaned inside trunk, inside car, gave FBI wrong hairbrush, Lied to FBI and LE, Phony leads on sightings of Caylee, Asked for donations to help find a missing child ( by the way that they NEVER SEARCHED FOR) Thats doesnt "MEAN ANYTHING"..?

Not taking a LDT.. WHY? ASKING for IMMUNITY. WHY? if they have truly NOTHING TO HIDE.. NOT cooperating with LE or FBI. WHY? People with nothing to hide dont refuse LDT test when trying to find a missing CHILD. SO why did they REFUSE? People that did nothing WRONG don't ask for IMMUNITY!..SO WHY ask for IMMUNITY?


Well this is where I disagree with you..The criticisms of this family and there actions are deserved.. NO ONE let me repeat NO ONE ACTS LIKE THE A"S DID when they have a MISSING CHILD!!! Thats from a VOICE OF EXPERIENCE



NOTHING the A's have done from get go will ever convince me that they DID NOT KNOW that CAYLEE WAS DEAD and CASEY KILLED HER..

[Regina.Lampert]

Quite the opposite actually. Everyone can't wait. :)

Excellent observation Neffy! :smile:

[hamebone]

Hi sweetie, You or so right my family don;t even know what I am talking about when I bring this up.Only one in my family knows what I am talking about. I am sure that a lot of people don;t know about this case. I have trouble even getting new on it if I don;t watch ng. It is such a messed up case I don't even try to explain it to anyone. When I go to telling it it sounds like something I am just making up. jmho


Hiya Martha!

same here hard to update anyone on this case.....truth is indeed stranger than fiction....

[marshmallow]

I agree with what Savannah said about finding an impartial jury from the poster here - no way. I still remember at the beginning of this nightmare and all the comments about Cindy wearing sleeveless shirts to court. People said she had no class and didn't really love Caylee or hurt for her. I've read some ridiculous statements on here about Cindy.

It's obvious that Cindy loved Caylee very much and has been grieving for her.



you might be surprised. I know I could be a very good juror but if you go by my words on this site you might not think so.
When I post here I give my opinions and my thoughts. As a sworn juror I'd be basing my decision on only what was put into the trial. I know I can do that. There's a difference between opinions on a message board and following rules in a court of law. I'd be very fair and if the burden of truth/proof were not met, I'd have absotootly no problem voting correctly.
It's not fair to assume someone(s) couldn't based on an opinion board.

[Dunlurken]

Ah, okay gottcha, dunnie! I agree an impartial jury can be found in the public in FL. Absolutely. (Not in Orlando, though, I don't think. I believe a COV will be approved.)

Good. I always think "big picture wise". LOL.

[Regina.Lampert]

:thumbsup: I do love an honest person, Scamp!!!!!!

I just knew you would SS. :thumbsup:

[Loves2Read]

I doubt Casey will be saying anything at her trial.
Baez may be dumb, but I don't think he's completely stupid!
IMHO as always.

I would never expect Casey to testify at her trial. She wouldn't be saying stuff herself. Her attorneys would be doing the dirty work with her approval.

Not that I expect that it would go down that way. It was just my opinion that "IF" she did those things she could hurt her family even more than she has already.

[IM4Truth]

You've already convicted her. You can't be on the jury. But yes, it would be interesting to see how far you would move from your original position. I don't think I would be swayed very much.

I didn't say I could be on the jury, I said I would like to see if I could be impartial enough to listen to all evidence and draw a conclusion from that. Though I have convicted her from all I have seen and heard now, I really haven't heard much from the defense. Could that sway me? Possibly. I've watched a lot of Tru TV and have been shocked in the outcome. If questioned as a potential juror, at this point I would have to say yet, I believe she is guilty. Give me something more from the defense, maybe the AHA moment and I could change my mind. Will they be able to produce the real Zenaida Gonzalez? Will there be anything from the crime scene connecting it to Zenaida? I don't know that for certain yet.

[Dunlurken]

Let me get this straight.. Just because they washed the pants, cleaned inside trunk, inside car, gave FBI wrong hairbrush, Lied to FBI and LE, Phony leads on sightings of Caylee, Asked for donations to help find a missing child ( by the way that they NEVER SEARCHED FOR) Thats doesnt "MEAN ANYTHING"..?

Not taking a LDT.. WHY? ASKING for IMMUNITY. WHY? if they have truly NOTHING TO HIDE.. NOT cooperating with LE or FBI. WHY? People with nothing to hide dont refuse LDT test when trying to find a missing CHILD. SO why did they REFUSE? People that did nothing WRONG don't ask for IMMUNITY!..SO WHY ask for IMMUNITY?


Well this is where I disagree with you..The criticisms of this family and there actions are deserved.. NO ONE let me repeat NO ONE ACTS LIKE THE A"S DID when they have a MISSING CHILD!!! Thats from a VOICE OF EXPERIENCE



NOTHING the A's have done from get go will ever convince me that they DID NOT KNOW that CAYLEE WAS DEAD and CASEY KILLED HER..
The Anthony's aren't on trial. JMO. Could be coming down the pike, but not so far. JMOA.

[SavannahStar]

I bolded the part I'm addressing - I think you missed my point. I was commenting on Dunlurken's post but I see now she has cleared up the confusion. Yes I know they don't pick jurors via the net and I wasn't talking about ME being picked.

Of course jurors wouldn't be picked via the net.......don't know how that poster could have concluded that anyone thought that.

[Dunlurken]

I would never expect Casey to testify at her trial.

Casey will not need to testify at the trial, and you can bet she won't. Her testimony will be seen in her actions and the fact that she didn't call 911 when her child was missing for 31 days. She's done.

The cover-up, now that's a whole nother ball of wax. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

The Anthony's aren't on trial. JMO. Could be coming down the pike, but not so far. JMOA.

Well yeh bottom line there. You might THINK they were on trial judging from some posts here. :biggrin: Actually it's CASEY and Casey alone who is charged with the murder of her daughter.

[daHawg]

One thing I think that I have noticed about Zanaida Gonzolez is that it was Caseys own little joke to herself. She used Zanaida when she was doing something bad like the hair straightener. It was probably stolen from a store. When her mother asked where did it come from she probably said Zanny gave it to her. Littlle inside joke that only she knew and thought that she was sooo cleverly funny.

I think Cindy knew it too because Casey said "remember?" and Cindy said "oh yeah that's right" (or close to that).

[daHawg]

FE is CE no?
Yes........

[IM4Truth]

I followed that case on TV too. I can't for the life of me see where anyone would say anyting negative about her mother. That is where I see the relevance to this case. Many posters are negative about Cindy's ways and I can understand that from all the media. I just wondered if other people were negative towards Beth because I don't remember any negative media. That's all. Please don't be so defensive with me, I often agree with you.

[Explorer]

I think Cindy knew it too because Casey said "remember?" and Cindy said "oh yeah that's right" (or close to that).

And the key to the house thing. It was like they were feeding each other. It seems like pieces of the puzzle are coming together as the facts become known

[Lavenia]

Oh yes, by all means, pull up old Holloway case posts.....that is just SO SO relevant. :laugh:

Just be sure we check out ALL posters' posts in ALL previous cases on here and elsewhere in message-board land. That is SO critical to discussing the case at hand. Yes, that's important: find out how the poster posted in previous cases, and discuss in that light.

:rolleyes:

I get the impression by what some are saying, that you were/are not "compassionate" to BH. Is there some reason in particular that Cindy has gained your compassion as opposed to Beth? I don't understand the difference in empathy for one's grief over another, IMO.

ETA: Anyone can find any post I've ever posted on the net. Finding out how I felt in another trial would only verify how I feel here.

[Pat]

-snip-Heck even if there were solid evidence that Casey didn't kill Caylee I think she would still be convicted, if for nothing more than hatred for Cindy Anthony.

MY opinion!

What a bizarre statement to make.

I think no one disputes the fact that Casey, and Casey alone, is responsible for Caylee's death. LE has pretty much come out and said so.

I don't think a person on this board would convict Casey based on Cindy Anderson's behavior prior to the trial. Or anyone else, for that matter.

Using this theory, it could be said some sympathizers of Cindy's plight would vote to acquit, regardless of overwhelming evidence of Casey's guilt, simply because they felt Cindy had 'suffered enough'.

[IM4Truth]

I sure hope a doc dump comes SOON!!! :tonguewag:

[happygert]

:confused: On target for what? Your wrath?

Not my wrath the TRUTH!!... And if the truth hurts too bad..I've walked in the shoes with a MISSING CHILD! I know how if feels . I know what one does and what one does NOT DO...and what one does not do IS ACT LIKE THE A"S DID!...Period..

[101Spots]

LOL, yes he's casey's knight in shining armor all right


I take it back, there are some posters who enjoy rubbing salt into wounds! :tonguewag:

Well, the horse he's on is out of control. Don't knights usually take riding lessons before the're allowed to go off galavanting all over the place on their own?

Not really. Ravens were my second choice this year. Just poking you a little bit. :biggrin:

[jammies]

It is relevant because you stick up for a lying grandmother who hid evidence, but bashed sharon Rocha and went head first after Beth Twitty for daring to look for her daugher.

Are you denying what you said and did to Beth Holloway on refugees? You couldn't get away with it here because CW was smart enough not to let you. Are you telling me on HFTM you aren't still bashing BH?

You like honest posters, but aren't one yourself.


Interesting, sedation. hmmmm

[dohinmom]

Hello all,

I just watched the video of the interview that greta did in orlando with brad conway and am wondering when it actually took place.

Was it this weekend or from a while ago?

tia

dolphinmom

[daHawg]

And the key to the house thing. It was like they were feeding each other. It seems like pieces of the puzzle are coming together as the facts become known
And when the prosecution presents their case and puts all the pieces of the puzzle together we will have our "AHHHHHH, now we understand" moment,(not that we could ever understand how someone could kill their own child mind you just that our questions will be answered) and imo when Baez puts his case on we will be more like "You have got to be kidding me.:confused:

[happygert]

Hello all,

I just watched the video of the interview that greta did in orlando with brad conway and am wondering when it actually took place.

Was it this weekend or from a while ago?

tia

dolphinmom

Friday nite...

[Loves2Read]

What a bizarre statement to make.

I think no one disputes the fact that Casey, and Casey alone, is responsible for Caylee's death. LE has pretty much come out and said so.

I don't think a person on this board would convict Casey based on Cindy Anderson's behavior prior to the trial. Or anyone else, for that matter.

Using this theory, it could be said some sympathizers of Cindy's plight would vote to acquit, regardless of overwhelming evidence of Casey's guilt, simply because they felt Cindy had 'suffered enough'.

Ohh.... you make a very good point here.

[happygert]

And when the prosecution presents their case and puts all the pieces of the puzzle together we will have our "AHHHHHH, now we understand" moment,(not that we could ever understand how someone could kill their own child mind you just that our questions will be answered) and imo when Baez puts his case on we will be more like "You have got to be kidding me.:confused:

Yes that will be the AWW HAH moment..... and when its baez's turn.....can't wait to see it......

[Mimi428]

Interesting, sedation. hmmmm

The only thing I find of interest about it is that it is very likely to get the board shut down. All of us who have been here for any length of time know the moderator doesn't tolerate it. CNN has indicated that documents are likely to be released today & I'm not overly happy to think that on the very day we get something new to chew on, the board is going down the drain with posts attacking other posters.

kwim?

[Lavenia]

The only thing I find of interest about it is that it is very likely to get the board shut down. All of us who have been here for any length of time know the moderator doesn't tolerate it. CNN has indicated that documents are likely to be released today & I'm not overly happy to think that on the very day we get something new to chew on, the board is going down the drain with posts attacking other posters.

kwim?

Okay. I hear you loud and clear! (Where ARE those documents?!)

[marshmallow]

[/B]

Bolding is mine - I think it's perfectly fair. :)

fair enough :biggrin:

[AnnInOhio]

No I don't expect her to come out and say "my daughter is a murderer"...I wouldn't do that and I wouldn't expect anyone else to....I just wouldn't say anything at all....I would know in my heart that in denying it would mean that I am justifying it....and I could never do that.....and believe me, I would lay down my life for my children and grandchildren....But I wouldn't be able to keep the lies going for my daughter.....

But as you said, we really don't know how she is meaning anything she says right now.....this whole thing has to be very traumatic for the family......And I certainly wouldn't want to be in their shoes....

Cindy really hasn't publicly said much of anything since Caylee's body was found, has she? I ascribe Cindy's support of Casey's idiotic story, prior to that point, as being tied to the erroneous "sightings" of Caylee, which gave her an excuse to believe Caylee might by some miracle be alive somewhere. Cindy was desperately hoping and believing that little girl was somehow alive, i.e., Tinkerbell in "Peter Pan". One definition of "faith" is believing in something even when there is no proof. The day Caylee's body was found Cindy in a sense lost her "faith". Tinkerbell wasn't real; Caylee was.

[happygert]

Cindy really hasn't publicly said much of anything since Caylee's body was found, has she? I ascribe Cindy's support of Casey's idiotic story, prior to that point, as being tied to the erroneous "sightings" of Caylee, which gave her an excuse to believe Caylee might by some miracle be alive somewhere. Cindy was desperately hoping and believing that little girl was somehow alive, i.e., Tinkerbell in "Peter Pan". One definition of "faith" is believing in something even when there is no proof. The day Caylee's body was found Cindy in a sense lost her "faith". Tinkerbell wasn't real; Caylee was.

Other then E-MAIL she sent saying casey did not hurt Caylee.... can't remember exact wording but it was to that effect... Hey, cindy no casey did not hurt Caylee she killed her...

[rj1212]

The only thing I find of interest about it is that it is very likely to get the board shut down. All of us who have been here for any length of time know the moderator doesn't tolerate it. CNN has indicated that documents are likely to be released today & I'm not overly happy to think that on the very day we get something new to chew on, the board is going down the drain with posts attacking other posters.

kwim?

Absolutely mimi...I think we need to stop this and stay on topic. After all, I think the point was made.

[Grins]

Defendant's attorney said the Change of Venue Motion will be filed soon and heard within a month. Perhaps other motions will be filed soon too.
At argument, you will hear about the alleged prejudice against D that LE and SA have caused by the flood of case investigative material released from their offices prior to trial. It will be argued that they have deliberately made a fair trial in Orange County or any other Florida county impossible and that sanctions should be imposed.

D's counsel will present the mass of publicity and document floods from July 15 to the present. There may be media persons called to testify.
This is critical to the integrity of a trial and may be a disaster to the prosecution during the appellate precess if a conviction is secured.

[texski]

caseys lawyers have been checking out counties all over florida. i heard locally they do not want to county i am in, highlands county, middle of state, because we have too many old people and/or hispanics.
latest in our paper is that baez likes naples, richer people, on the gulf, more sofisticated they claim?, higher property values i know.
dont have a clue as to why he thinks they would be sympathic, probably thinks they have not followed the case.

[5boxersmom]

Okay. I hear you loud and clear! (Where ARE those documents?!)

So there really may be docs today? I thought courts were closed today. Oh I hope we get something. :drool:

[dgfred]

Other then E-MAIL she sent saying casey did not hurt Caylee.... can't remember exact wording but it was to that effect... Hey, cindy no casey did not hurt Caylee she killed her...

Maybe trying to set up that accident/panic/coverup theory.

[playnice]

Oh, wow! Gone a few hours and I missed a volcano. I have no idea how the debate has come to comparing Beth Holloway with Sharon Rocha with Cindy Anthony. I can say this. I have always been sympathetic to Sharon Rocha. I was angry for a long time at Beth Holloway, not because she had the audacity to search for her daughter but because for a time she was just saturating the media. Who could really blame her, though. But comparing those two to Cindy Anthony is like comparing a Woolworths change-purse to a Louis Vuitton evening bag. None of them EVER attempted to hide evidence or interfere with the investigations. Neither of them tried to vilify recovery searchers who volunteered their time in the search efforts for their daughters. None of them attacked L.E. on the level/scale and with so much venom as she did.

Cindy Anthony is the mother of an alleged murderer, but she is ALSO the mother (and I say "mother" because it was her and Geo that were virtually raising this child of her own words) of a 2 year old gone missing so in many ways she is in the same boat as Beth and Sharon were.

There is a huge difference between these three mothers. I would put Cindy Anthony in the same category as Jackie Peterson, but to compare her to Sharon or Beth :no:


I agree with ya on sumptin. :w00t:

[happygert]

Maybe trying to set up that accident/panic/coverup theory.

maybe.....

[IM4Truth]

In an effort to bring some compassion back to the board this morning, this may be a bit o/t but please, if you haven't already checked the Birthday & Spiritual Forum, please do so now and read about a fellow poster here. There is a page on the candle board for her with a link there. We should be discussing Caylees case with an open mind, voicing our opinions and respecting others. There shouldn't be any attacks on each other and we should be careful how we word things.

Most of us do not agree with the Anthonys past actions. Most of us do feel empathy for them at the loss of their granddaughter and the thought that their daughter did this. Most of us also take offense at how Cindy lashed out at the media and the public. Should we be so harsh to others for how we feel?

[Lavenia]

So there really may be docs today? I thought courts were closed today. Oh I hope we get something. :drool:

I *thought* it was supposed to be this morning? Anyone else?

ETA: http://caseyanthonycase.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/new-court-documents-to-be-released/

[happygert]

Well, here's a question for you all. With this little boy gone missing from Florida, do any of you think that the defense is going to use that possible kidnapping as a way to launch the kidnapping defense?

no........... but MG did say I'd tell baez on to wait to go to trial until there was another missing child.. He was on NG but baez wasn't there but im sure he heard it after all his client and him watches NG together at least casey on visit says they did..

[kayemm]

Been following off and on since the very start when that poor child was finally reported missing... gah. Also been trying to carch up with all the threads but it's just so much, anyway, do we know how Casey or Cindy or the rest of the family reacted to the news that little Caylee's body was found?

[CNTM]

If anything were released today, would it be the court or the sheriff's department releasing the warrants? :shrug:

[?noanswer]

Well, here's a question for you all. With this little boy gone missing from Florida, do any of you think that the defense is going to use that possible kidnapping as a way to launch the kidnapping defense?

I don't see how they could, but I bet KC wishes that was what happened when she left Caylee in the car. JMO

[Neffy]

Interesting, sedation. hmmmm

She'll be fine. It's not like she's complaining of typos or using upper or lower case letters.

It's the hypocracy. Pardon the pun but she's FRUSTRATED with it. We all are. You may have a certain view on certain matters and that never waivers. But when you make blanket statements or accusations like ripping "wing's of of flys" and it only applys to when your not doing it I mean. C'MON!!

:)

[Lavenia]

http://caseyanthonycase.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/new-court-documents-to-be-released/

But where are they?

[Elle]

Well, here's a question for you all. With this little boy gone missing from Florida, do any of you think that the defense is going to use that possible kidnapping as a way to launch the kidnapping defense?

Hi January
Are you talking about Adji? If so, I have been following that case and am not seeing the similarities. I wouldn't rule out the defense trying to use it, though I believe it will get them nowhere.

[IM4Truth]

Well, here's a question for you all. With this little boy gone missing from Florida, do any of you think that the defense is going to use that possible kidnapping as a way to launch the kidnapping defense?

Interesting, Immokalee where the child lives is in Collier County, same county as Naples where they are saying JB wants to move the trial. Knowing that area, I personally think it would be a big mistake on his part! There is a large high class of people in that area that I do not think would look favorable towards Casey.

[Explorer]

http://caseyanthonycase.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/new-court-documents-to-be-released/

But where are they?

dont worry im sure that the news outlets are scrambling to be the first to get them out

[Elle]

Interesting, Immokalee where the child lives is in Collier County, same county as Naples where they are saying JB wants to move the trial. Knowing that area, I personally think it would be a big mistake on his part! There is a large high class of people in that area that I do not think would look favorable towards Casey.

imo wisdom is not his forte.

[Mimi428]

Cindy really hasn't publicly said much of anything since Caylee's body was found, has she? I ascribe Cindy's support of Casey's idiotic story, prior to that point, as being tied to the erroneous "sightings" of Caylee, which gave her an excuse to believe Caylee might by some miracle be alive somewhere. Cindy was desperately hoping and believing that little girl was somehow alive, i.e., Tinkerbell in "Peter Pan". One definition of "faith" is believing in something even when there is no proof. The day Caylee's body was found Cindy in a sense lost her "faith". Tinkerbell wasn't real; Caylee was.

Long before this case ever began, it had been shown repeatedly that cognitive dissonance can be unbelievably powerful - the kind of stuff that would just make your jaws drop in astonishment. And the more important the belief - the harder the mind will work to push away everything that points in the direction of that belief being a sham.

I think believing your own daughter would never, ever cold-bloodedly murder her own child would qualify as being important to someone. I don't agree with the things Cindy has said & done, but I do comprehend that her mind is in agony & screaming in rejection at the idea that Casey cold-bloodedly murdered Caylee.

JMO

[Neffy]

Let me see if I'm reading this correctly. You're all "FRUSTRATED" because I have different opinions in different cases?

Gottcha. :rolleyes: Oh so sorry.

Here's a hint: read my posts on THIS case and disregard posts I've made on OTHER cases.

Wouldn't that be the SMART thing to do? After all, we're only discussing THIS case on here, right? Or am I wrong?

Maybe if I knew everyone's prior nic here I could go back and see what they posted on other cases and bring it up. Would that be good to do? Maybe! Is that where we are headed?

Bolding mine.

In reference to bold - Nope :)

But you knew that :)

[ConchGirl]

kjt200 Great Post. :beer:

[Regina.Lampert]

Defendant's attorney said the Change of Venue Motion will be filed soon and heard within a month. Perhaps other motions will be filed soon too.
At argument, you will hear about the alleged prejudice against D that LE and SA have caused by the flood of case investigative material released from their offices prior to trial. It will be argued that they have deliberately made a fair trial in Orange County or any other Florida county impossible and that sanctions should be imposed.

D's counsel will present the mass of publicity and document floods from July 15 to the present. There may be media persons called to testify.
This is critical to the integrity of a trial and may be a disaster to the prosecution during the appellate precess if a conviction is secured.


Morning Grinnie. Thank you for that info. Have the prosecutor's done anything illegal with regards to releasing the material to which baez is objecting?

[dohinmom]

Friday nite...

thanx happygert.

I wonder why the LE was at the anthony home that night too or do we know already?

tia

dolphinmom

[IM4Truth]

dont worry im sure that the news outlets are scrambling to be the first to get them out

I just checked again and the CNN Caylee Blog still does not have any updates since Thursday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html?iref=newssearch

"Nancy Grace Producers give the latest news in the case of murdered tot Caylee Anthony. Check back for frequent updates.

Thursday Jan. 15, 2009
6 PM ET - We've just obtained newly released jailhouse video from a visit between tot mom Casey Anthony and parents George and Cindy. Tune in tonight to see the video"

Does she really have the docs? She often says we are waiting "any minute now" and that minute doesn't come until the following day. She might be basing that on the last hearing when the judge ordered some docs to be released to the defense "by" today. According to her website: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

"Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal? Plus, even more video released of Casey Anthony behind bars. Nancy Grace has the latest on Monday at 8 & 10 P.M. ET."

So who knows if we will have any new information today or not! We haven't seen anything yet from the news stations but I will go check local Orlando now.

[CelticDawn]

Oh, wow! Gone a few hours and I missed a volcano. I have no idea how the debate has come to comparing Beth Holloway with Sharon Rocha with Cindy Anthony. I can say this. I have always been sympathetic to Sharon Rocha. I was angry for a long time at Beth Holloway, not because she had the audacity to search for her daughter but because for a time she was just saturating the media. Who could really blame her, though. But comparing those two to Cindy Anthony is like comparing a Woolworths change-purse to a Louis Vuitton evening bag. None of them EVER attempted to hide evidence or interfere with the investigations. Neither of them tried to vilify recovery searchers who volunteered their time in the search efforts for their daughters. None of them attacked L.E. on the level/scale and with so much venom as she did.

Cindy Anthony is the mother of an alleged murderer, but she is ALSO the mother (and I say "mother" because it was her and Geo that were virtually raising this child of her own words) of a 2 year old gone missing so in many ways she is in the same boat as Beth and Sharon were.

There is a huge difference between these three mothers. I would put Cindy Anthony in the same category as Jackie Peterson, but to compare her to Sharon or Beth :no:


I think that NONE of them should be compared because EACH of them have VERY UNIQUE situations....histories and beliefs....and no matter what they project outwards....we have no idea what these really are....



oh and did yall know this...???

New docs just handed over to the defense according to CNN ....look underneath the pic......

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

[Grins]

Exemption from the Sunshine Act of "Criminal intelligence information" and "criminal investigative information"

Here is the actual statute:
http://tinyurl.com/7gpdkn

The 2008 Florida Statutes
Title X
CHAPTER 119
PUBLIC RECORDS
119.01 General state policy on public records.
...
section
119.011
"...
Definitions
...
(3)(a) "Criminal intelligence information" means information with respect to an identifiable person or group of persons collected by a criminal justice agency in an effort to anticipate, prevent, or monitor possible criminal activity.

(b) "Criminal investigative information" means information with respect to an identifiable person or group of persons compiled by a criminal justice agency in the course of conducting a criminal investigation of a specific act or omission, including, but not limited to, information derived from laboratory tests, reports of investigators or informants, or any type of surveillance.

(c) "Criminal intelligence information" and "criminal investigative information" shall not include:
...
5. Documents given or required by law or agency rule to be given to the person arrested, ...
~~~~~~~
Then see:
Section
119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--

(1) AGENCY ADMINISTRATION.--
..
(c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution.
[Emphasis supplied]
~~~~~~~
Now we have legal argument as to interpretation:

=1. does it mean all "Criminal intelligence information" and "criminal investigative information" are exceptions to the Sunshine Law and unavailable to the public until after a trial
or
=2. does it mean all info given to D is available to public
or
=3. D has an exception to exemption and can get the information when otherwise he could not get it. It does not mean the public can get it.
~~~My opinion favors 1 and 3.

[breezie]

"Pulling wings off flies" and "rubbing salt into a wound" is not how I would characterize the feelings of us who only want this family to tell the truth so that this murdered child can receive the justice she deserves.

BTW, I wonder how the "full immunity" talks are going?

I think LE put Cindy on *ignore* a long time ago. I doubt they are taking the calls...lol.

[?noanswer]

Elle and Iam4Truth: Yeah, it is that little boy that Nancy has showcased on her show since he has gone missing. I see where the location is different, but I could see the defense "reaching" as Casey would say, for a serial child kidnapper play and Baez being - oh, I don't know if it is stupidity or audacity- trying it. As for the Naples thing, I know people who live in that area and yeah, they live in a Gated Community on a Golf Course. Bunch o' snobs if you ask me. Don't know if that would be better or worse for her case.

I'm not sure it is the same little boy. There was another child that was kidnapped over the weekend. The mother had left him in the car while she was in a bar. Someone stole the car, then maybe traded it for drugs. Anyway a woman found the little boy in her front yard and called LE. JMO

[IM4Truth]

Elle and Iam4Truth: Yeah, it is that little boy that Nancy has showcased on her show since he has gone missing. I see where the location is different, but I could see the defense "reaching" as Casey would say, for a serial child kidnapper play and Baez being - oh, I don't know if it is stupidity or audacity- trying it. As for the Naples thing, I know people who live in that area and yeah, they live in a Gated Community on a Golf Course. Bunch o' snobs if you ask me. Don't know if that would be better or worse for her case.

Even though they still haven't found the child yet and suspect an adbuction, they don't have anything to go on, anymore than LE had for Caylee at the time, except false information.

[girlspell]

Does the state have to show how Caylee was killed? I've been reading all these theories of what might have happen. Each seems plausible, but there is always the "what about this" and "that doesn't explain this"

All they've (prosectuion) said they have evidence of Casey "taking action" against Caylee. So that means they don't know how she died. Will that hurt them during the trial?

[IM4Truth]

Morning Grinnie. Thank you for that info. Have the prosecutor's done anything illegal with regards to releasing the material to which baez is objecting?

I'm not Grins :biggrin: but I don't see where the prosecution has done anything illegal in releasing anything to the defense. I'm not a lawyer either though!

[5boxersmom]

I'm not sure it is the same little boy. There was another child that was kidnapped over the weekend. The mother had left him in the car while she was in a bar. Someone stole the car, then maybe traded it for drugs. Anyway a woman found the little boy in her front yard and called LE. JMO

Two different children.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347754

[joolz]

Long before this case ever began, it had been shown repeatedly that cognitive dissonance can be unbelievably powerful - the kind of stuff that would just make your jaws drop in astonishment. And the more important the belief - the harder the mind will work to push away everything that points in the direction of that belief being a sham.

I think believing your own daughter would never, ever cold-bloodedly murder her own child would qualify as being important to someone. I don't agree with the things Cindy has said & done, but I do comprehend that her mind is in agony & screaming in rejection at the idea that Casey cold-bloodedly murdered Caylee.

JMO

That article on cognitive dissonance that you (it was you, right?) posted the link to a few days ago is fascinating. All of it makes perfect sense to me until we get to right now, with Caylee's remains haveing been found. At some point - this point - doesn't the mind have to stop rejecting the truth when it's faced with such overwhelming evidence?

[happygert]

thanx happygert.

I wonder why the LE was at the anthony home that night too or do we know already?

tia

dolphinmom


Well I dont know but maybe someone else does...My guess was maybe they got DC's phone records back...and had some questions about that.. But conway was spinning when asked why they were there and he said had nothing to do with casey so . (paraphrasing). It might not have to do with casey but still may have to do with DC IMO..

[ConchGirl]

We really need new docs soon before we all get banned. :biggrin:

[Elle]

Long before this case ever began, it had been shown repeatedly that cognitive dissonance can be unbelievably powerful - the kind of stuff that would just make your jaws drop in astonishment. And the more important the belief - the harder the mind will work to push away everything that points in the direction of that belief being a sham.

I think believing your own daughter would never, ever cold-bloodedly murder her own child would qualify as being important to someone. I don't agree with the things Cindy has said & done, but I do comprehend that her mind is in agony & screaming in rejection at the idea that Casey cold-bloodedly murdered Caylee.

JMO

IMO, that is how the smell of death became pizza. It had to.

"Fighting Cognitive Dissonance & The Lies We Tell Ourselves"
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2008/10/19/fighting-cognitive-dissonance-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves/

its pretty short, but gives a pretty good synopsis.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm not Grins :biggrin: but I don't see where the prosecution has done anything illegal in releasing anything to the defense. I'm not a lawyer either though!

I don't think so either, I just want to hear Grinnie's opinion on it.


IMO, baez is not going to get anywhere with his motions. He may not even be granted his change of venue if the court determines it's cheaper to bus in jurors from another county.

[breezie]

Oh of course I read it correctly. And YOU know that. SEDATION has no other purpose in his/her posts to me than to judge my posts on HERE based on my previous posts on other irrelevant cases.

What do you think about that? (Or are you judging all my posts on here due to my disagreement with you on Caylee's "daddy"???? :biggrin: Gottcha. I can see where you would just love SEDATION'S posts.....:wink:)


your opinions in other cases might reveal certain biases. Not irrelevant, imho.

[breezie]

I'm sorry you thought the scenerio to 12angry men was real. You didn't believe Joolz. You were laughing at her and I backed her up. End of story.

Just how many teams do you believe I tag with?

This is ridiculous.

*tag*.. :laugh:

just had to do it.

[Elle]

You mean the boy who wasn't reported missing for 10 yrs or so? Wasn't he adopted?

Hi Sedation, no Adji Desir is a 6 year old little boy from Immokalee, about 165 miles south/southeast from Orlando. He went missing a little over a week ago. It is a very very sad story. (they all are).

[dohinmom]

Well I dont know but maybe someone else does...My guess was maybe they got DC's phone records back...and had some questions about that.. But conway was spinning when asked why they were there and he said had nothing to do with casey so . (paraphrasing). It might not have to do with casey but still may have to do with DC IMO..

good point. I actually forgot about DC believe it or not.LOL

take care dolphinmom

[breezie]

Does the state have to show how Caylee was killed? I've been reading all these theories of what might have happen. Each seems plausible, but there is always the "what about this" and "that doesn't explain this"

All they've (prosectuion) said they have evidence of Casey "taking action" against Caylee. So that means they don't know how she died. Will that hurt them during the trial?

No, they do not have to prove exact cause of death. Only that the evidence (circumstantial) proves the Caylee died because of the actions of Casey. Felony murder.

[CelticDawn]

We really need new docs soon before we all get banned. :biggrin:

Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal?

[Elle]

Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal?

Thank you.

[happygert]

good point. I actually forgot about DC believe it or not.LOL

take care dolphinmom

It's not hard to forget a character or 2....:lol:

thanks and you too..

[bama__angel]

Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal?



Celtic..............I had this vision of Nancy Grace lol..............

[IM4Truth]

I don't think so either, I just want to hear Grinnie's opinion on it.


IMO, baez is not going to get anywhere with his motions. He may not even be granted his change of venue if the court determines it's cheaper to bus in jurors from another county.

I just read his posting on the Sunshine Law, which can be very confusing. However, if anything was being released that shouldn't have been, I'm sure the judge would have stepped in and stopped it.

[shelbar53]

Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal?


Motions to Compel:

Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.
Crime scene photos. Granted - 10 days to produce.
Items from crime scene. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Investigation reports on all ZG's. Denied. State produces all they have.
DNA reports on GA,CA,LA. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Fingerprints of GA,CA, LA. Denied without prejudice. FBI or Sheriff has them.
Timeline caendar of LE with AL. Granted. 15 days to produce.
Hair for testing and all reports. Granted. 20 days to produce. No destructive testing.
Maps of LE searches. Granted. State has 10 days to look for them.
Release of 8/14 video visit of CA and GA. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Release of LE interviews with GA,CA,LA made after 7/16 and before 7/30. Granted.
Subpoena duces tecum to TES. No action taken.
Crime scene photos and reports from car. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Polygraph results.Deferred pending memos of law as to discoverability.

Im guessing all of the above

[Grins]

caseys lawyers have been checking out counties all over florida. i heard locally they do not want to county i am in, highlands county, middle of state, because we have too many old people and/or hispanics.
latest in our paper is that baez likes naples, richer people, on the gulf, more sofisticated they claim?, higher property values i know.
dont have a clue as to why he thinks they would be sympathic, probably thinks they have not followed the case.Hi Texski=thanks for that info=unwise for D's lawyers discussing this in media=insults a lot of good people.

[joolz]

I'm sorry you thought the scenerio to 12angry men was real. You didn't believe Joolz. You were laughing at her and I backed her up. End of story.

Just how many teams do you believe I tag with?

This is ridiculous.

Yes you did, and TY for it Nef. :thumbup:

Let's keep on truckin' - this is definitely not worth you getting a time out over! :cool:

[Neffy]

Grins thanks for your post.

Documents given or required by law or agency rule to be given to the person arrested, ...

Can you explain this. I mean were not talking the arrest warrant are we?

[desmom]

Grins, if you are still around I would appreciate your opinion on something I found Saturday. TIA

From the Public Records: A Guide for Law Enforcement http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument (Click on "Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format" to see the whole guide.)

Page 49 Are records released to the defendant considered to be criminal investigative or intelligence information?

Except in limited circumstances, records which have been given or are required to be given to the person arrested cannot be withheld from public inspection as a criminal investigative or intelligence information. In other words, once the material has been made available to the defendant as part of the discovery process in a criminal preceding, the material is ordinarily no longer considered to be exempt criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information.

[IM4Truth]

I just checked all of the Orlando news reports and the only update I saw was WESH saying that JB will be requesting a COV this week. Nothing on WFTV, FOX35, Orlando Sentinel, etc. So I will just wait and see what happens between now and NG tonight. I just hope this board will be still be open for comment by then. In the meantime, please keep Jomomma in your prayers and light a candle for her too. She is one of our own. If you missed it, see the Birthday & Spiritual Forums. Later, peeps, please be nice and stop baiting and biting.

[callmetree]

Celtic..............I had this vision of Nancy Grace lol..............

thanks for a MUCH NEEDED light moment.:lol:

[Mamie]

Random Monday Morning Thoughts and Questions.......................

(very good but snipped)

So the question is...........................How long would you risk everything for a person who basically spits in your face in return. At what point to you look to your own survival and realize that going down for Casey is not worth it?

Whew.......I'm done....Sorry for the long and rambling post. Thanks for listening. My own opinion..... Be well............


I think something needs to be said about these two parents of Casey that they didn't just start protecting her after she did this----they are sort of paying now for a big part of her life in letting her get away with things and spitting in their faces. All I have to go on is the stealing of money she did to people in her family and the fact that Mom and Dad ignored her not working yet having a nanny for their granddaughter that they had no desire to meet----but I bet I'm not far off for things that started earlier in Casey's life. JMO

[ConchGirl]

your opinions in other cases might reveal certain biases. Not irrelevant, imho.

ITA with you. It gives us insight into their motives. moo

[jammies]

Thanks for giving me the right story Elle. They all break my heart too. How could this case compare to this one? Why didn't the poster who didn't provide a link to this story bother to explain it?


It's very sad. The family has all been cleared so no, it doesn't bear any resemblence to this case.

[Lavenia]

That article on cognitive dissonance that you (it was you, right?) posted the link to a few days ago is fascinating. All of it makes perfect sense to me until we get to right now, with Caylee's remains haveing been found. At some point - this point - doesn't the mind have to stop rejecting the truth when it's faced with such overwhelming evidence?

Hey joolzy-woolzy! :seeya: Mimi did in fact post that article the other day. One of the disorders that I find fascinating to just how our minds can go off on a path of their own, is pseudocyesis or "false pregnancy".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-pregnancy In addition to the symptoms reported in this article, I have seen reports that hormones and other lab values have actually changed in these women.

The mind is VERY powerful in its sometimes misguided efforts to protect us, IMO.

[ConchGirl]

Motions to Compel:

Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.
Crime scene photos. Granted - 10 days to produce.
Items from crime scene. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Investigation reports on all ZG's. Denied. State produces all they have.
DNA reports on GA,CA,LA. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Fingerprints of GA,CA, LA. Denied without prejudice. FBI or Sheriff has them.
Timeline caendar of LE with AL. Granted. 15 days to produce.
Hair for testing and all reports. Granted. 20 days to produce. No destructive testing.
Maps of LE searches. Granted. State has 10 days to look for them.
Release of 8/14 video visit of CA and GA. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Release of LE interviews with GA,CA,LA made after 7/16 and before 7/30. Granted.
Subpoena duces tecum to TES. No action taken.
Crime scene photos and reports from car. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Polygraph results.Deferred pending memos of law as to discoverability.

Im guessing all of the above

Thank you, I guess my laundry won't get done now. moo

[Carol25]

I for one am waiting to hear about the fingerprints on the duct tape, and if there is only one set of prints. That should be the show stopper right there.

[CelticDawn]

Exemption from the Sunshine Act of "Criminal intelligence information" and "criminal investigation"

<snipped>
..
(c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution.
[Emphasis supplied]
~~~~~~~
Now we have legal argument as to interpretation:

=1. does it mean all "Criminal intelligence information" and "criminal investigative information" are exceptions to the Sunshine Law and unavailable to the public until after a trial
or
=2. does it mean all info given to D is available to public
or
=3. D has an exception to exemption and can get the information when otherwise he could not get it. It does not mean the public can get it.
~~~My opinion favors 1 and 3.



Thanks Grins!! Just what I thought.

[rj1212]

In an effort to bring some compassion back to the board this morning, this may be a bit o/t but please, if you haven't already checked the Birthday & Spiritual Forum, please do so now and read about a fellow poster here. There is a page on the candle board for her with a link there. We should be discussing Caylees case with an open mind, voicing our opinions and respecting others. There shouldn't be any attacks on each other and we should be careful how we word things.

Most of us do not agree with the Anthonys past actions. Most of us do feel empathy for them at the loss of their granddaughter and the thought that their daughter did this. Most of us also take offense at how Cindy lashed out at the media and the public. Should we be so harsh to others for how we feel?

My compassion for Cindy and George goes as far as this...

It's tragic for ANY grandparent to lose a grandchild, and anyone in their right mind would agree that it's a terrible loss and that compassion should be shown for the loved ones of that grandchild.

Is it fair to say that? I believe it is.

HOWEVER...

I can separate those feelings from the lies, accusations, and cover-up attempts of the Anthony's. Some posters seem to want us to forget that the Anthony's have been criminal in their words and deeds simply because they have suffered a great loss.

Why does that get them off the hook?
It doesn't. At least not in my book.

While I feel for the LOSS of the Anthony's, I cannot help but wonder why they didn't plead to national media for the safe return of their loved one? Not once?

No, the desire for justice supercedes the feelings of sympathy because I know that their deliberate deception is hiding something that I feel will prove very relevant to this case.

Time will tell.


Justice for Caylee! :thumbup:

[Grins]

Morning Grinnie. Thank you for that info. Have the prosecutor's done anything illegal with regards to releasing the material to which baez is objecting?
Hey RL!
A court must decide if anyone has violated the exceptions section contained in the Sunshine Law which I quoted above.
Many courts on appeals may have to rule on that issue and on whether Constitutional rights of the defendant have been violated and if so what the proper remedy may be.

[Mairi II]

Does anyone "know know" what the 1,200 pictures are that George purportedly was sickened by? Did the police show them to him or was it just the mention of them? Where did the police get/see them - Casey's Myspace or something?

TIA... much appreciated. :)

[shelbar53]

It's very sad. The family has all been cleared so no, it doesn't bear any resemblence to this case.

Oh I missed the article where it states the family has all been cleared. Cleared by LE and FBI? Did LE say that or is it coming from conways mouth?

[CelticDawn]

Anthony Attorney Expected To Seek Change Of Venue
Trial Could Be Moved To Jacksonville, Miami
POSTED: 9:54 am EST January 19, 2009
UPDATED: 10:00 am EST January 19, 2009
The attorney for Casey Anthony is expected to ask for a change of venue for her trial.
Attorney Jose Baez is expected to request the change this week.
Legal experts and other attorneys said they can't imagine the judge holding the trial in Orlando because of all the publicity the case has attracted.
The trial will likely be moved to another metropolitan area like Jacksonville or Miami.
But it is possible for jurors from other parts of the state to be brought to Orlando and sequestered.

Either option will be costly.

"The more complicated the case gets, the more money it costs the taxpayer to try this ... You have to move everybody, the court reporters, the attorneys," attorney Leticia Marques said.

It's not clear exactly when the change of venue motion will be filed, but it could come as early as this week.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18510496/detail.html

[Carol25]

Wouldn't it be interesting if some of the documents included the accounting of the Funds for Caylee and how they accounted for the money spent?

[CANDYKISSES]

Breaking: Court documents just handed over to the defense in the Caylee murder case will be released any moment now. What will they reveal?

IF they were handed over to the defense, I would say...DON'T HOLD your BREATH CD! :unsure:

Following up on the diagnosing of Cindy, I would never attempt MYSELF to give a diagnosis on a person I hadn't even sat down with for an evaluation.

I can't imagine how those who do so and enable Cindy can just ignore her actions and words from DAY ONE. Let's see, we could start with her OWN WORDS on MYSPACE JULY 3rd after sending Lee to look for Casey and Caylee, then we could move on to her real concern when reporting (which IMO was the car and money), to her baiting snide remark to Casey about her having SEVERAL CAMEOS.

What do you call those things? The latter certainly has a ring of HEAD NARCISSIST taunting the one in training IMO. I heard someone else agree with what many are speaking out about on the web concerning the idea that CINDY MADE CASEY and INSTILLED MUCH OF HER OWN ISSUES front and center. I believe that along with the posters who have outlined the book about the sociopath next door and thinking while Casey exhibits the behavior of a sociopath, she also has the tendencies of a narcissist and Cindy shares that with her.

Didn't Cindy and Casey both agree and laugh about them being so much alike? Who can deny that when you look at the totality of what we know, and remember, that's not so much between the lies both mother and daughter have spread far and wide?

All JMO after seeing all the diagnosing, Cindy sympathizing and enabling going on and the willingness to ignore what Cindy has done to help this HELLISH NIGHTMARE stay in HIGH GEAR. barf

[Pat]

Yeah, that's right, just spin it. You are the main trouble maker on these boards. Neffy. You can't walk away from having the last word. You want to continue? I can do this all day. It only shows that you love the fight. You love the challenge and you can't walk away. Just keep harrassing people on these boards and getting away with it. Good job.

Looks like you can't either. This post is in direct violation of the TOS for this forum, and you know that.

I have no dog in this fight but wish it would all stop before this board gets closed. No one asked you to volunteer for anything, especially if it directly is responsible for getting us closed down until trial.

Now...neither of you have had the last word. I did! :tonguewag:

Thanks in advance, by the way.

[shelbar53]

Thank you, I guess my laundry won't get done now. moo

I dont think they will be released today, the courthouse is closed..public holiday..which means my DH is home and Im having very limited time on the computer.

[Elle]

Oh I missed the article where it states the family has all been cleared. Cleared by LE and FBI? Did LE say that or is it coming from conways mouth?


Hi Shelbar
Adji Desir's (a missing 6 year old little boy) family has been cleared. I believe that is who was being referenced. There was a little bit of a discussion about the 2 cases.

imo

[Lavenia]

Does anyone "know know" what the 1,200 pictures are that George purportedly was sickened by? Did the police show them to him or was it just the mention of them? Where did the police get/see them - Casey's Myspace or something?

TIA... much appreciated. :)

No one "knows knows", Mairi. (Not other than the principles involved, of course.)

[joolz]

Hey joolzy-woolzy! :seeya: Mimi did in fact post that article the other day. One of the disorders that I find fascinating to just how our minds can go off on a path of their own, is pseudocyesis or "false pregnancy".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-pregnancy In addition to the symptoms reported in this article, I have seen reports that hormones and other lab values have actually changed in these women.

The mind is VERY powerful in its sometimes misguided efforts to protect us, IMO.


Hi L - the whole subject just fascinates me, and IMO, the Anthonys could (and probably will be) and entire book's worth of a case study! I think most of us can understand some level of denial, but for me, that level would make me ready for the rubber room!

Are we really getting a doc dump today or is it just a vicious tease?:sneaky:

[Mairi II]

No one "know knows", Mairi. (Not other than the principles involved, of course.)

Thanks, Lavenia. (BTW: I really like your posts: Not only your opinions but your writing style as well.)

[ruth66]

My compassion for Cindy and George goes as far as this...

It's tragic for ANY grandparent to lose a grandchild, and anyone in their right mind would agree that it's a terrible loss and that compassion should be shown for the loved ones of that grandchild.

Is it fair to say that? I believe it is.

HOWEVER...

I can separate those feelings from the lies, accusations, and cover-up attempts of the Anthony's. Some posters seem to want us to forget that the Anthony's have been criminal in their words and deeds simply because they have suffered a great loss.

ITA, great post.
Why does that get them off the hook?
It doesn't. At least not in my book.

While I feel for the LOSS of the Anthony's, I cannot help but wonder why they didn't plead to national media for the safe return of their loved one? Not once?

No, the desire for justice supercedes the feelings of sympathy because I know that their deliberate deception is hiding something that I feel will prove very relevant to this case.

Time will tell.


Justice for Caylee! :thumbup:

Great post and ITA......

[shelbar53]

Hi Shelbar
Adji Desir's (a missing 6 year old little boy) family has been cleared. I believe that is who was being referenced. There was a little bit of a discussion about the 2 cases.

imo

thanks for answering. I do follow the casey case closely and to my knowledge they have never been cleared. But, if I miss a day here..its like dog years, I get so far behind.

[kate482000]

Pardon my harshness in advance................

But...........................

Are we in junior high school here or are we adults? If some of you want to verbally joust, bait and argue with each other, why don't you find a playground to do so and not waste bandwidth? I'm sure it may be amusing to some folks, but the irrelevant back and forth between posters is annoying and juvenile.

My own opinion..........Thanks for listening...........Be well....

ITA..just ignore the silliness, no one really carescares...:bored:

[girlspell]

I for one am waiting to hear about the fingerprints on the duct tape, and if there is only one set of prints. That should be the show stopper right there.


I think we would all agree. That one piece of evidence that would put Casey dead in the water.

I have a feeling though, they don't have it. Something like that would have leaked long ago. Shame....

[Heyes]

Let me get this straight.. Just because they washed the pants, cleaned inside trunk, inside car, gave FBI wrong hairbrush, Lied to FBI and LE, Phony leads on sightings of Caylee, Asked for donations to help find a missing child ( by the way that they NEVER SEARCHED FOR) Thats doesnt "MEAN ANYTHING"..?

Not taking a LDT.. WHY? ASKING for IMMUNITY. WHY? if they have truly NOTHING TO HIDE.. NOT cooperating with LE or FBI. WHY? People with nothing to hide dont refuse LDT test when trying to find a missing CHILD. SO why did they REFUSE? People that did nothing WRONG don't ask for IMMUNITY!..SO WHY ask for IMMUNITY?


Well this is where I disagree with you..The criticisms of this family and there actions are deserved.. NO ONE let me repeat NO ONE ACTS LIKE THE A"S DID when they have a MISSING CHILD!!! Thats from a VOICE OF EXPERIENCE



NOTHING the A's have done from get go will ever convince me that they DID NOT KNOW that CAYLEE WAS DEAD and CASEY KILLED HER..



Yes!
You said it.
They went way, way too far.

[playnice]

This is why I am wondering if Baez is going to bring this kidnapping case up in Casey's defense. Planting the seeds that there might be a serial child kidnapper out there in Florida on the loose.

Did they find decomp in this little guys family trunk too? If not, it would not be bright on his part.

[Lavenia]

Hi L - the whole subject just fascinates me, and IMO, the Anthonys could (and probably will be) and entire book's worth of a case study! I think most of us can understand some level of denial, but for me, that level would make me ready for the rubber room!

Are we really getting a doc dump today or is it just a vicious tease?:sneaky:

I have the rubber room ready for us ALL today, half price!

I hope, hope, hope, we get documents today, but I can't figure it out.

[martha]

Let me get this straight.. Just because they washed the pants, cleaned inside trunk, inside car, gave FBI wrong hairbrush, Lied to FBI and LE, Phony leads on sightings of Caylee, Asked for donations to help find a missing child ( by the way that they NEVER SEARCHED FOR) Thats doesnt "MEAN ANYTHING"..?

Not taking a LDT.. WHY? ASKING for IMMUNITY. WHY? if they have truly NOTHING TO HIDE.. NOT cooperating with LE or FBI. WHY? People with nothing to hide dont refuse LDT test when trying to find a missing CHILD. SO why did they REFUSE? People that did nothing WRONG don't ask for IMMUNITY!..SO WHY ask for IMMUNITY?


Well this is where I disagree with you..The criticisms of this family and there actions are deserved.. NO ONE let me repeat NO ONE ACTS LIKE THE A"S DID when they have a MISSING CHILD!!! Thats from a VOICE OF EXPERIENCE



NOTHING the A's have done from get go will ever convince me that they DID NOT KNOW that CAYLEE WAS DEAD and CASEY KILLED HER.. ITA with you and I don;t want to push the a;s while they or down just don;t agree with the way they have acted. I still feel sorry for them. what mother could wait 31 days to tell anyone her baby was missing? g and c both knew the day they picked up the car casey had done something to caylee. Lee knew it too. why did they not just admit it right then? Everyone would have been on their side at that time.They would have gotten a lot more money and people would not be downing them. I would still love my daughter but would not take up or cover for her. jmho

[Neffy]

Yes you did, and TY for it Nef. :thumbup:

Let's keep on truckin' - this is definitely not worth you getting a time out over! :cool:

:seeya:

Hey you!

The doc's are coming the doc's are coming! Crossing fingers!

[shelbar53]

This is why I am wondering if Baez is going to bring this kidnapping case up in Casey's defense. Planting the seeds that there might be a serial child kidnapper out there in Florida on the loose.

someone explained to me that baez has to go with the zanny her friend kidnapping story because thats the last sworn thing out of caseys mouth. If baez changes the story then he has to put casey on the stand...which he cant do so he is stuck with that story. But its not some crazy kidnapper...according to casey..she knew zanny and zanny was her friend for many years and she trusted her.

[CelticDawn]

Ty for the heads up........so tonight we'll hear NG say BREAKING NEWS lol


i'm sure we'll find out what they took from the house after they found the body.



I just wish she wouls STOP calling Casey the 'TOT MOM"....that works my very last nerve!!!!

[Lavenia]

Thanks, Lavenia. (BTW: I really like your posts: Not only your opinions but your writing style as well.)

Thanks Mairi! Much appreciated! :smile:

[Lavenia]

I just wish she wouls STOP calling Casey the 'TOT MOM"....that works my very last nerve!!!!

I know! For one thing it just sounds...silly, I guess, but it's also far too benign, IMO.

[ruth66]

I just listened to CA's testimony at the bond hearing for the second time this weekend. I had forgotten how defensive and calculating CA sounded right from the get go. I realize she is the one that called 911, but I believe that she called 911 before she really thought things through. If she had really thought about it, I don't believe she would have reported it. Has anyone heard the recent report of the child who dissappeared 18 years ago or so and the foster parents never reported it to anyone? Now the story is that he ran away.....I can see CA spinning a tail to explain where CAYLEE went. Maybe that she was with her biological dad, no one seems to know who the father was and that may have worked for them.

[playnice]

What if they aren't Casey's?

That would be a shocker wouldnt it?

[Elle]

This is why I am wondering if Baez is going to bring this kidnapping case up in Casey's defense. Planting the seeds that there might be a serial child kidnapper out there in Florida on the loose.

Hi January
He may very well try, though it is my belief it will backfire on him. I think there must come a point when the jury becomes insulted by obvious defense tactics/ploys. There are so many differences between the 2 cases (imo).But I agree, you never know what he may do.

[joolz]

I just wish she wouls STOP calling Casey the 'TOT MOM"....that works my very last nerve!!!!

Me too! It has driven me crazy from the very beginning - when did NG become the voice of a British tabloid? :rolleyes:

[~tj~]

Pardon my harshness in advance................

But...........................

Are we in junior high school here or are we adults? If some of you want to verbally joust, bait and argue with each other, why don't you find a playground to do so and not waste bandwidth? I'm sure it may be amusing to some folks, but the irrelevant back and forth between posters is annoying and juvenile.

My own opinion..........Thanks for listening...........Be well....

Well said!

[RiverWalk]

Hey RL!
A court must decide if anyone has violated the exceptions section contained in the Sunshine Law which I quoted above.
Many courts on appeals may have to rule on that issue and on whether Constitutional rights of the defendant have been violated and if so what the proper remedy may be.

I believe that most of what you quoted were for ongoing criminal investigations/activity: such as Mike the Moose is drug smuggling, gun running or money laundering. In those instances the documents do not have to be turned over since they are protecting their investigation.

This case has an indictment by the Grand Jury (Murder 1) and is headed to trial. Documents must be turned over and under the laws of the Great State of Florida, they are public record. Judge Strickland has been with this case from the beginning and has been around the block many times.

IF you watched the Justin Barber case/trial you would have seen very similar actions by the Judge, attorneys and defense in that case too.

jmo

[Danette44]

Grins, if you are still around I would appreciate your opinion on something I found Saturday. TIA

From the Public Records: A Guide for Law Enforcement http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument (Click on "Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format" to see the whole guide.)

Page 49 Are records released to the defendant considered to be criminal investigative or intelligence information?

Except in limited circumstances, records which have been given or are required to be given to the person arrested cannot be withheld from public inspection as a criminal investigative or intelligence information. In other words, once the material has been made available to the defendant as part of the discovery process in a criminal preceding, the material is ordinarily no longer considered to be exempt criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information.

I was reading all them statues last night on Grins site where he post - and I'm so confused on all these statues, some seem to hurt LE and SA for doing such and than others says once it's release to the defendant than it's fair game. There is alot of information that we haven't got results back yet or they are not releasing them to us. It seems everytime JB ask for something and it was turn over then the media went after it and then low and behold we got it. jmoo

[happygert]

Motions to Compel:

Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.
Crime scene photos. Granted - 10 days to produce.
Items from crime scene. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Investigation reports on all ZG's. Denied. State produces all they have.
DNA reports on GA,CA,LA. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Fingerprints of GA,CA, LA. Denied without prejudice. FBI or Sheriff has them.
Timeline caendar of LE with AL. Granted. 15 days to produce.
Hair for testing and all reports. Granted. 20 days to produce. No destructive testing.
Maps of LE searches. Granted. State has 10 days to look for them.
Release of 8/14 video visit of CA and GA. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Release of LE interviews with GA,CA,LA made after 7/16 and before 7/30. Granted.
Subpoena duces tecum to TES. No action taken.
Crime scene photos and reports from car. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Polygraph results.Deferred pending memos of law as to discoverability.

Im guessing all of the above

Now the search warrants.......been waiting on those......hope comes the inventory lists with them.. BTW conway said he had inventory list but one whole page he couldn't read......umm huh...I really don't think he'd except something you could not read...JMO
More interviews......AHHH been waiting to hear those to.......wondering how many more lies were told in those...if they contradicted the other interviews.. that should keep us busy for awhile..

[bama__angel]

What if they aren't Casey's?


You could be correct........The fingerprints might not be Casey's only..The only other person that she would trust enough to help her and protect her is Lee......I've considered Lee.

[shelbar53]

What if they aren't Casey's?

If the prints on the duct tape arent caseys then one of 3 things

1. we are living in the twlight zone
2. we are all very stupid and casey is brilliant
3. she wore gloves

[Mimi428]

That article on cognitive dissonance that you (it was you, right?) posted the link to a few days ago is fascinating. All of it makes perfect sense to me until we get to right now, with Caylee's remains haveing been found. At some point - this point - doesn't the mind have to stop rejecting the truth when it's faced with such overwhelming evidence?

It was me. I really don't know if the mind can ever be forced to stop rejecting the truth.

I don't think the usual, everyday examples of cognitive dissonance give us much help in offering examples, which is why I have been thinking about the religious cults. I think some of the things we have seen about the people who are in the middle of them gives us a better view of how amazingly bizarre - to the point of being downright unbelieveable - cognitive dissonance can truly be. Last I heard, there are still people who believe David Koresh was the M*e*s*s*i*a*h. Others who believed in him strongly at one time have backed off their belief in his diety, but cannot reject him entirely, no matter what they learn about him. They grasp onto & cling tightly to only thinking about how wrong the government's response was - rather than examine the evidence that Koresh was a false M*e*s*s*i*a*h.

I think the FLDS is another good example of how no matter WHAT evidence will ever be shown to prove that Warren Jeffs is a fake & a fraud - there are people who will never, ever reject him - because if they reject him (the linchpin) then all the rest of what makes up their lives is at risk of tumbling to the ground, in ruin & degradation - & they will be left with NOTHING.

I don't think any of us wants to be ruined. I don't think we want our beliefs to be destroyed, especially our core beliefs about those we love.

JMO
ETA the unique spelling out of that word since there is some sort of automatic asterisking of it if I don't.

[ConchGirl]

:seeya:

Hey you!

The doc's are coming the doc's are coming! Crossing fingers!

Squawk I'm a good parrot and always say the same thing. :D

[girlspell]

someone explained to me that baez has to go with the zanny her friend kidnapping story because thats the last sworn thing out of caseys mouth. If baez changes the story then he has to put casey on the stand...which he cant do so he is stuck with that story. But its not some crazy kidnapper...according to casey..she knew zanny and zanny was her friend for many years and she trusted her.

Agreed. They have to stick with the Zanny story (the one at Blanchard Park) Remember, Casey said the kidnappers have her a script to LE. The apartment kidnapping story.

Cindy has alread said in the email that evidence will show that Casey did not kill Calyee. The phantom kidnapper strikes again. Cutting a swarth through Florida, picking up kids and killing them.

[Carol25]

I think we would all agree. That one piece of evidence that would put Casey dead in the water.

I have a feeling though, they don't have it. Something like that would have leaked long ago. Shame....
You think so? Oh, that's a bummer! I have been so waiting for this! I thought it was going to be announced with a spotlight! Maybe they haven't announced it because there are TWO sets of prints.

And this is a strategic move to not release due to immunity requests. Unless one of them can come up with the info of the complicity of the person who finger prints are on the bag or tape on that bag, they won't release the information.

[ruth66]

I just listened to CA's testimony at the bond hearing for the second time this weekend. I had forgotten how defensive and calculating CA sounded right from the get go. I realize she is the one that called 911, but I believe that she called 911 before she really thought things through. If she had really thought about it, I don't believe she would have reported it. Has anyone heard the recent report of the child who dissappeared 18 years ago or so and the foster parents never reported it to anyone? Now the story is that he ran away.....I can see CA spinning a tail to explain where CAYLEE went. Maybe that she was with her biological dad, no one seems to know who the father was and that may have worked for them.

Sorry for quoting my own quote but I just read back and realized someone brought up this story and it caused a quite a stir....sorry...I just started reading this morning. That's what happens when you start at the end......

My apologies

[Elle]

someone explained to me that baez has to go with the zanny her friend kidnapping story because thats the last sworn thing out of caseys mouth. If baez changes the story then he has to put casey on the stand...which he cant do so he is stuck with that story. But its not some crazy kidnapper...according to casey..she knew zanny and zanny was her friend for many years and she trusted her.


Yes, great point! He is screwed. (imo)

[smileyjoe]

You could be correct........The fingerprints might not be Casey's only..The only other person that she would trust enough to help her and protect her is Lee......I've considered Lee.

Who used the tape last? Was it Amy's duct tape that was in KC's car?

Wonder who (at the no clothes party) used it last? The finger print on the very last end of tape.

Unused end just reapplied back to the roll.

Joe.

[playnice]

Well, I guess Baez is SOL because he doesn't have much to work with. I am so curious to see how he is going to put on a defense with the Zanny story. It's bogus and transparent. It's a loser.

If they would have went with an unknown person it may have been slightly believable perhaps. I really think they spewed nanny so loud and clear they are locked into it. I cant imagine him saying, "My client was lying. It wasnt ZG." The only thing he can do is try to get someone to believe she exist. Problem, not one person has ever seen this ZG or no phone numbers on their records. Nothing.
The only defense I can think of is to attack the forensics.

[gaelicpeas]

No one "knows knows", Mairi. (Not other than the principles involved, of course.)
After reading all this stuff about what is exempt from disclosure under the Florida Sunshine laws - depending on the nature of those pictures, they may be exempt. JMO

[AbbyNormal]

My compassion for Cindy and George goes as far as this...

It's tragic for ANY grandparent to lose a grandchild, and anyone in their right mind would agree that it's a terrible loss and that compassion should be shown for the loved ones of that grandchild.

Is it fair to say that? I believe it is.

HOWEVER...

I can separate those feelings from the lies, accusations, and cover-up attempts of the Anthony's. Some posters seem to want us to forget that the Anthony's have been criminal in their words and deeds simply because they have suffered a great loss.

Why does that get them off the hook?
It doesn't. At least not in my book.

While I feel for the LOSS of the Anthony's, I cannot help but wonder why they didn't plead to national media for the safe return of their loved one? Not once?

No, the desire for justice supercedes the feelings of sympathy because I know that their deliberate deception is hiding something that I feel will prove very relevant to this case.

Time will tell.


Justice for Caylee! :thumbup:

I agree (and you say this more kindly than I am able to think it)!

[CANDYKISSES]

My compassion for Cindy and George goes as far as this...

It's tragic for ANY grandparent to lose a grandchild, and anyone in their right mind would agree that it's a terrible loss and that compassion should be shown for the loved ones of that grandchild.

Is it fair to say that? I believe it is.

HOWEVER...

I can separate those feelings from the lies, accusations, and cover-up attempts of the Anthony's. Some posters seem to want us to forget that the Anthony's have been criminal in their words and deeds simply because they have suffered a great loss.

Why does that get them off the hook?
It doesn't. At least not in my book.

While I feel for the LOSS of the Anthony's, I cannot help but wonder why they didn't plead to national media for the safe return of their loved one? Not once?

No, the desire for justice supercedes the feelings of sympathy because I know that their deliberate deception is hiding something that I feel will prove very relevant to this case.

Time will tell.


Justice for Caylee! :thumbup:


Great post. I do feel sympathy for the entire lot of them given the obvious dysfunction and inability to bond for the family in general. I can certainly see where it starts IN THE FANTASTIC FIVE FINGER PLAN George gave out during one of his interviews. barf

The fact they would engage in the questionable activity that ultimately lead to other children being put at risk by perpetrating a hoax and engaging in behavior to interfere with LE bringing closure to this case makes me angry. OTOH, I feel better knowing no other children had to get hurt (outside of the child Casey communicated with) IMO.

I still believe they KNEW Caylee was not alive ergo their lack of pleading on the airwaves.

ALL JMO.:mellow:

[joolz]

It was me. I really don't know if the mind can ever be forced to stop rejecting the truth.

I don't think the usual, everyday examples of cognitive dissonance give us much help in offering examples, which is why I have been thinking about the religious cults. I think some of the things we have seen about the people who are in the middle of them gives us a better view of how amazingly bizarre - to the point of being downright unbelieveable - cognitive dissonance can truly be. Last I heard, there are still people who believe David Koresh was the M*e*s*s*i*a*h. Others who believed in him strongly at one time have backed off their belief in his diety, but cannot reject him entirely, no matter what they learn about him. They grasp onto & cling tightly to only thinking about how wrong the government's response was - rather than examine the evidence that Koresh was a false M*e*s*s*i*a*h.

I think the FLDS is another good example of how no matter WHAT evidence will ever be shown to prove that Warren Jeffs is a fake & a fraud - there are people who will never, ever reject him - because if they reject him (the linchpin) then all the rest of what makes up their lives is at risk of tumbling to the ground, in ruin & degradation - & they will be left with NOTHING.

I don't think any of us wants to be ruined. I don't think we want our beliefs to be destroyed, especially our core beliefs about those we love.

JMO
ETA the unique spelling out of that word since there is some sort of automatic asterisking of it if I don't.

I find cults bizarrely interesting too, and I did not know that about Koresh's followers - that is just scary! I guess it's a tiny little bit easier for me to see the brain-fooling rationale behind that kind of thinking by people who desperately need a structure and a ******* to believe in. Especially if there are lots of other true believers to bolster the wrong-thinking. In a family situation like the Anthonys, though, I just don't understand how that doesn't finally break down under the weight of the facts.

[Pat]

I just listened to CA's testimony at the bond hearing for the second time this weekend. I had forgotten how defensive and calculating CA sounded right from the get go. I realize she is the one that called 911, but I believe that she called 911 before she really thought things through. If she had really thought about it, I don't believe she would have reported it. -snip-.

That is exactly what I've wondered. It could have been, from Cindy's perspective, the ultimate threat, never realizing what she would be unleashing. I don't believe she thought Caylee was dead, but was worried enough to make the ultimate threat, so to speak, and follow though.

I also believe Cindy and George really loved Caylee.

What I don't begin to understand is their action once they both realized Caylee was dead. And I do believe they realized this long before Caylee's remains were found. They both looked at the breaking point the day of the "lost" video visit, which was a horror. I don't understand the public behavior later...they alienated so many by it.

[Grins]

Grins thanks for your post.

Documents given or required by law or agency rule to be given to the person arrested, ...

Can you explain this. I mean were not talking the arrest warrant are we?Hi Neffy. No, not warrants.
My opinion is that the statute I cited gives to LE and SA a protection in the form of an an exception to the general rule of making all agency documents available to the public.

Homicide detectives do not want their investigation in the news every day in my experience.
We have heard forever that, "We cannot give out any information because this case is under investigation."

SO the question then is: well if the case info is secret then how can the defendant get it in discovery to prepare for trial?
Aha=the law gives the defendant that right by the provision that as to her/him the exception will not apply.

[CANDYKISSES]

Does anyone "know know" what the 1,200 pictures are that George purportedly was sickened by? Did the police show them to him or was it just the mention of them? Where did the police get/see them - Casey's Myspace or something?

TIA... much appreciated. :)

What is your definition of "know know"? :sleep:

[joolz]

Yes, great point! He is screwed. (imo)


Is that the legal term?:biggrin:

[AbbyNormal]

You could be correct........The fingerprints might not be Casey's only..The only other person that she would trust enough to help her and protect her is Lee......I've considered Lee.
I suspect Cindy's, myself....

[ruth66]

ITA with you and I don;t want to push the a;s while they or down just don;t agree with the way they have acted. I still feel sorry for them. what mother could wait 31 days to tell anyone her baby was missing? g and c both knew the day they picked up the car casey had done something to caylee. Lee knew it too. why did they not just admit it right then? Everyone would have been on their side at that time.They would have gotten a lot more money and people would not be downing them. I would still love my daughter but would not take up or cover for her. jmho


I can't dismiss the fact that CA was a primary babysitter for CAYLEE when Casey "supposedly" went to work. How in the world did she not see red flags when Casey went 31 days without needing a babysitter? CA may have said that there was a "zanny" but LEE had not heard of her. And she knew that Casey didn't work so how in the world could she have paid for a "nanny".

[playnice]

THE FANTASTIC FIVE FINGER PLAN

Candykiss

And
Casey being the CEO.


They put food into her fantasy brain.

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[Ladyhawk]

This is why I am wondering if Baez is going to bring this kidnapping case up in Casey's defense. Planting the seeds that there might be a serial child kidnapper out there in Florida on the loose.

I think that would be a stretch for even Baez...I don't see that happening.

[Lavenia]

After reading all this stuff about what is exempt from disclosure under the Florida Sunshine laws - depending on the nature of those pictures, they may be exempt. JMO

I don't see how the would be relevant to this case myself.

[playnice]

Yeah. And how 'bout "Tot Mom Brother". If she refers to Lee's dog will it be, "Tot Mom Brother Dog"?

I love yah, Nance, but come on.

:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[ruth66]

What if they aren't Casey's?

Curious and just for the sake of conversation, if not Casey's who might you suspect? I am going with LEE....

[Mairi II]

What is your definition of "know know"? :sleep:

A fact (ala Larry King...hehehehe). Can someone vouch for their existence? I'm thinking the police told George they were out there (assuming on the internet or something)... and they were obvioiusly of a subject matter that would sicken a parent. I've just been wondering if anyone besides the police has brought them up.

[Lavenia]

If the prints on the duct tape arent caseys then one of 3 things

1. we are living in the twlight zone
2. we are all very stupid and casey is brilliant
3. she wore gloves

Numero Uno.

(Or, the prints were unable to be retrieved due to poor quality.)

[trich]

someone explained to me that baez has to go with the zanny her friend kidnapping story because thats the last sworn thing out of caseys mouth. If baez changes the story then he has to put casey on the stand...which he cant do so he is stuck with that story. But its not some crazy kidnapper...according to casey..she knew zanny and zanny was her friend for many years and she trusted her.

I am wondering how he can bring up the zanny kidnapping story when he can not produce any witnesses that even saw zanny or actually know zanny.
There is no known address or phone number either.
Who is he going to ask for proof a zanny exists?
Like you said Casey is no way going to get up on the stand and
testify.
I just don't see how he can present evidence of a nanny ...he can not testify to that except that Casey told him the story.
If some how he brings up that Casey was knocked down and Caylee taken from her then he opens another Pandoras box in then why did she wait for over 30 days to tell anyone she was missing.
Who will believe the "script" story especially when
she goes partying while her daughter was missing.
If anyone believes that hogwash they need to have a psychological exam themselves.
IMO

[Elle]

The curiosity is killing me because if he is sticking with this bogus defense, I can't see how he is going to pull that off. When this trial starts, I think he is going to be pulling rabbits out of his hat and with him, I don't underestimate his cunning. That's for sure.


I don't think he knows exactly where he is going with this. I think he keeps hoping something will happen and he can use some sort of loophole or technicality, or happen apon something/anything that he can somehow manipulate into reasonable doubt. IMO, he has nothing. Do you really see Baez as cunning? I don't see him so much as cunning as I do underhanded and sleezy (that's completely imoo), oh, and whiny with some arrogance thrown in (again, moo).

[Mairi II]

Anone else besides me notice that everytime George talks to Casey in those tapes, he is using the most idiotic analogies. The family is a hand and Casey is a corporation. Everyone works for Casey. Hmmmm. Seems like he likes to feed her not only her fantasy brain but also stroke that ego! Hi gorgeous! :barf:

OMG, January, he sounds like such a moron when he uses analogies! And he's quite proud of himself, too.

[shelbar53]

Even if he can poke a gazzillion holes in the forensics, this zanny story is not going to fly. At least not the way I see it going down. I think Elle is right. He is screwed.

Do you think Baez might have done some things that are not quite on the up and up? The PI stuff is so suspicious. Passing notes back and forth? I dont think Baez is all that smart I think hes gonna get in trouble before this is all said and done.

I also think he has stars in his eyes regarding all the high profile defense people now invloved. He also seems to be very chummy chummy with Geraldo....If I was baez I wouldnt trust Geraldo one bit!!!

[playnice]

thinking about D Casey looking for Caylees remains. Wonder if Casey told someone she threw the bag in the woods and was afraid someone would see it. wonder what DC would have done had he found it? Was the purpose to discover the remains and call LE or move it somewhere to a more hidden area? Guess we may never know.

[ConchGirl]

Someone please help me here. I've been here since this started, but I just don't understand how Casey went from she dropped Caylee off at Zanny's apartment to Zanny grabbed Caylee at the park. I missed something. Did she just one day say, "Oh I forgot. I didn't drop her off! I forgot Nanny grabbed her at the park."

I've never heard how Casey segued from one story to the next.

IIRC there is a missing jailhouse video/phone call between Lee & Casey. Cindy mentions it in one of her LE interviews. I want to see it bad. moo

[Mimi428]

Hi L - the whole subject just fascinates me, and IMO, the Anthonys could (and probably will be) and entire book's worth of a case study! I think most of us can understand some level of denial, but for me, that level would make me ready for the rubber room!

Are we really getting a doc dump today or is it just a vicious tease?:sneaky:

Ahhhh, but the rub is - THAT level of denial is probably what is keeping them OUT of the rubber room. The moment it all crashes down, that is when it is time for the rubber room.

And I'm with you & Lavenia on how gobsmacking it can be to think of some of the machinations the mind can produce - the actual changes in hormone levels for those who are convinced beyond measure that they are pregnant is a great example, IMO.

[ruth66]

That is exactly what I've wondered. It could have been, from Cindy's perspective, the ultimate threat, never realizing what she would be unleashing. I don't believe she thought Caylee was dead, but was worried enough to make the ultimate threat, so to speak, and follow though.

I also believe Cindy and George really loved Caylee.

What I don't begin to understand is their action once they both realized Caylee was dead. And I do believe they realized this long before Caylee's remains were found. They both looked at the breaking point the day of the "lost" video visit, which was a horror. I don't understand the public behavior later...they alienated so many by it.

I believe they knew the day GA came out of the house looking terribly upset and LEE came down the road in a vehicle to pick him up. I think that is when someone let the secret out....

[breezie]

You're so right. It really is annoying and juvenile.

Now please give me your former nics, all the message boards you've ever posted on, and which cases. So I can judge the relevancy to what you post on THIS case, on HERE. Please. I don't want to discuss/debate with you about the ANTHONY case, until and unless I can see your opinions on OTHER cases. That is so important for THIS board and THIS case.

*TONGUE IN CHEEK*

:lol::lol:

You're like Baez. Too lazy to do your own work. :laugh:

[Lavenia]

I'd imagine 31 days worth would be :tonguewag:

No doubt, if they were taken during that time! (:tonguewag: Back atcha'!)

[smileyjoe]

Someone please help me here. I've been here since this started, but I just don't understand how Casey went from she dropped Caylee off at Zanny's apartment to Zanny grabbed Caylee at the park. I missed something. Did she just one day say, "Oh I forgot. I didn't drop her off! I forgot Nanny grabbed her at the park."

I've never heard how Casey segued from one story to the next.


No segue, she told this story to Rob Dick on a ride to the court house one day. She never ever told the LE this story. Not in interrogation nor sworn document.

Joe.

[gaelicpeas]

I don't see how the would be relevant to this case myself.
Depends on what they are. I can think of a couple of scenarios that would make them very relevant to this case. JMO

[SaraSidle]

You think so? Oh, that's a bummer! I have been so waiting for this! I thought it was going to be announced with a spotlight! Maybe they haven't announced it because there are TWO sets of prints.

And this is a strategic move to not release due to immunity requests. Unless one of them can come up with the info of the complicity of the person who finger prints are on the bag or tape on that bag, they won't release the information.

It would be nice to find out if the toxic screen from the remains is done also. IMO

[Roux]

I've been scanning the thread to see if there's been any discussion of the conversation Geraldo had with Brad Conway. Someone posted a youtube link which covered a couple of minutes wherein they were implying that the 8/14 misconduct was that Baez was away and had instructed no visitation. Also Geraldo, IMO shill for Baez, brought up Kronk again. Conway agreed there's more to the story :angry: GMAB!

Please, anyone, give me your thoughts. TYIA.

[smileyjoe]

OMG, January, he sounds like such a moron when he uses analogies! And he's quite proud of himself, too.

I would love to know how he explained the "birds and the bees" to his children?

:blink:

Joe.

[ruth66]

What is your definition of "know know"? :sleep:


Why haven't they surfaced on the internet? I have seen one but 1200 is a lot of pics to be concealed...If they are what I think they are someone would have had to help in taking the photograph in the first place. We have seen first hand how quickly $$$ can be made by anyone associated with the case. One would think those photos would be out there by now. Not that I don't think they are what they are, but I am perplexed that they haven't surfaced....

JMO