Sunday January 18/09 - Part 1

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[ellegna]

Headlines re-cap

Aug 14/08 Jail House Video

http://www.wesh.com/video/18491789/index.html


Psychic's Credibility Questioned Amid Claims She Talked With P.I.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18482075/detail.html#-


EquuSearch Leader Hires Anthonys' Ex-Attorney

http://www.wftv.com/news/18486074/detail.html#-


Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story


Anthonys' Former Attorney Gives Kronk $5K Reward

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28675979/


Florida Deputy Reassigned Over Caylee Anthony Response

http://www.officer.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=45025

[sofiesmom]

I rarely post here because by the time I get caught up, I'd just be repeating or agreeing with something someone else has already said. But I'm here every day...sometimes almost all day, and since it's so early and not in a frenzy, I'd like to share a couple of my real life incidents that have just torn me up and brought this case even closer to home for me.

I was bench pressing lying on a flat bench at the health club. When I got up from the bench, my hair was stuck on the bench. I hadn't realized that the part of the bench where my head was had been partially covered with duct tape. My hair had been stuck to that tape. I thought of Caylee's sweet head and hair being surrounded by tape. I had to go to the dressing room for a bit so that no one would see my tears.

Then late one night last week, I was watching "Law and Order-CSI" and they showed the skeletonized remains of a three year old re-assembled. There was no warning, and I saw that picture. I wish I hadn't. Then they showed the picture again without warning, so now the picture is emblazoned in my brain, and I'm struggling to not think of Caylee like that. Mostly, I think of her as the beautiful little girl that she was and how she's ok now for sure, but I just can't help letting the images of the cruel way her human body was treated creep into my mind sometimes...makes my feel beyond sad.

[CC I See]

I rarely post here because by the time I get caught up, I'd just be repeating or agreeing with something someone else has already said. But I'm here every day...sometimes almost all day, and since it's so early and not in a frenzy, I'd like to share a couple of my real life incidents that have just torn me up and brought this case even closer to home for me.

I was bench pressing lying on a flat bench at the health club. When I got up from the bench, my hair was stuck on the bench. I hadn't realized that the part of the bench where my head was had been partially covered with duct tape. My hair had been stuck to that tape. I thought of Caylee's sweet head and hair being surrounded by tape. I had to go to the dressing room for a bit so that no one would see my tears.

Then late one night last week, I was watching "Law and Order-CSI" and they showed the skeletonized remains of a three year old re-assembled. There was no warning, and I saw that picture. I wish I hadn't. Then they showed the picture again without warning, so now the picture is emblazoned in my brain, and I'm struggling to not think of Caylee like that. Mostly, I think of her as the beautiful little girl that she was and how she's ok now for sure, but I just can't help letting the images of the cruel way her human body was treated creep into my mind sometimes...makes my feel beyond sad.

Many if not most of us share your pain..... it is indeed sad that Caylee was made to endure such misery before she passed. I try to cope by telling myself that she is a better place with loving angels to keep her company and NO ONE can ever hurt her again.

I also feel that her mother will be dealt with either in this life or after this life and that justice will prevail at some point. I think the Candle Lighting link that is posted daily on each thread is a good reminder of this eventual outcome.
:rose:

[ellegna]

I rarely post here because by the time I get caught up, I'd just be repeating or agreeing with something someone else has already said. But I'm here every day...sometimes almost all day, and since it's so early and not in a frenzy, I'd like to share a couple of my real life incidents that have just torn me up and brought this case even closer to home for me.

I was bench pressing lying on a flat bench at the health club. When I got up from the bench, my hair was stuck on the bench. I hadn't realized that the part of the bench where my head was had been partially covered with duct tape. My hair had been stuck to that tape. I thought of Caylee's sweet head and hair being surrounded by tape. I had to go to the dressing room for a bit so that no one would see my tears.

Then late one night last week, I was watching "Law and Order-CSI" and they showed the skeletonized remains of a three year old re-assembled. There was no warning, and I saw that picture. I wish I hadn't. Then they showed the picture again without warning, so now the picture is emblazoned in my brain, and I'm struggling to not think of Caylee like that. Mostly, I think of her as the beautiful little girl that she was and how she's ok now for sure, but I just can't help letting the images of the cruel way her human body was treated creep into my mind sometimes...makes my feel beyond sad.

My bold

GM Sophie

This is so tragic for sure. I continue remembering Caylee (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e336/mizzqueen490/caylee-anthony-nc.jpg) as that beautiful little girl and I hope this picture helps? :wub:

[KKKKKKatie]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???

[Danette44]

Good Morning everyone - I just listen to the Video from Aug 14th, I truly believe if Cindy was able to continue talking to Casey she would of blasted her Mom telling her how it is all her fault. I think what happen was Cindy did confront Casey about stealing from her grandparents and Casey grab Caylee and left and I feel she hurt Caylee on the "spare of the moment", PL can't plan things out - they do it right then - they will not make up a story til they are confronted with it, then if you ever notice it's not just a little story it's a BIG story. Casey has never changed her story as with Zanieda kiddnapping Caylee, she just adds on to it. I'm really curious to see what her juvnile records shows, I think Cindy and George has seek some kind of help in reguading how to question Casey, you never want to put a lair in the poistion to lie again so you talk around it and act like you believe what they say. Pathological Lairs believe in what lie they tell and believe you me, they will stick with that story for ever how long it suites them. Casey was a leader and all her friends followed her - she made her life seem to be an ideal way of living and look how she promised to get Amy a job with her. George blames the new crowd she hung out with - thats hogwash - Casey is Casey and not one person could make her do something that she didn't want to. All her friends had Real Jobs and going to school fulltime, Casey lived in a Fastasy World and if she would of given Caylee to Cindy and George she would have nothing - no home, no money, she would be worst off than she was having Caylee. I have faith in the system and I believe Casey will get a fair trial and she will be found guilty - that 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing, the smell in the car and her actions after Caylee went missing will hang her......oh and yes I truly believe George said alot in the Grand Jury Hearing otherwise they wouldn't of came up with 1 st degree murder. jmoo

[sofiesmom]

Many if not most of us share your pain..... it is indeed sad that Caylee was made to endure such misery before she passed. I try to cope by telling myself that she is a better place with loving angels to keep her company and NO ONE can ever hurt her again.

I also feel that her mother will be dealt with either in this life or after this life and that justice will prevail at some point. I think the Candle Lighting link that is posted daily on each thread is a good reminder of this eventual outcome.
:rose:I know most everyone feels the pain, and it's good to have that simpatico with all you posters. I think we're our own therapy sessions...everyday.

[AMS]

I rarely post here because by the time I get caught up, I'd just be repeating or agreeing with something someone else has already said. But I'm here every day...sometimes almost all day, and since it's so early and not in a frenzy, I'd like to share a couple of my real life incidents that have just torn me up and brought this case even closer to home for me.

I was bench pressing lying on a flat bench at the health club. When I got up from the bench, my hair was stuck on the bench. I hadn't realized that the part of the bench where my head was had been partially covered with duct tape. My hair had been stuck to that tape. I thought of Caylee's sweet head and hair being surrounded by tape. I had to go to the dressing room for a bit so that no one would see my tears.

Then late one night last week, I was watching "Law and Order-CSI" and they showed the skeletonized remains of a three year old re-assembled. There was no warning, and I saw that picture. I wish I hadn't. Then they showed the picture again without warning, so now the picture is emblazoned in my brain, and I'm struggling to not think of Caylee like that. Mostly, I think of her as the beautiful little girl that she was and how she's ok now for sure, but I just can't help letting the images of the cruel way her human body was treated creep into my mind sometimes...makes my feel beyond sad.


Thanks for sharing. Every time I think of what Caylee may have gone through, my heart aches.

IMO

[zinnia]

My hope is that if just ONE family follows this crime and has a child/parent who acts like Casey they will seek help before it spins out of control. Just maybe there will be one family who thinks that the worse could happen and will intervene before another child is hurt.
We tend not to believe that things can get as out of control as this has and ignore behaviors that should send out the red flag. Maybe the only light in all this is someone somewhere is looking at their daughter/son and they don't allow it to go this far.
Caylee captured the hearts of many people; in her short life she touched many of us. May she walk with Angels now and know no more pain.

[sofiesmom]

YGood Morning everyone - I just listen to the Video from Aug 14th, I truly believe if Cindy was able to continue talking to Casey she would of blasted her Mom telling her how it is all her fault. I think what happen was Cindy did confront Casey about stealing from her grandparents and Casey grab Caylee and left and I feel she hurt Caylee on the "spare of the moment", PL can't plan things out - they do it right then - they will not make up a story til they are confronted with it, then if you ever notice it's not just a little story it's a BIG story. Casey has never changed her story as with Zanieda kiddnapping Caylee, she just adds on to it. I'm really curious to see what her juvnile records shows, I think Cindy and George has seek some kind of help in reguading how to question Casey, you never want to put a lair in the poistion to lie again so you talk around it and act like you believe what they say. Pathological Lairs believe in what lie they tell and believe you me, they will stick with that story for ever how long it suites them. Casey was a leader and all her friends followed her - she made her life seem to be an ideal way of living and look how she promised to get Amy a job with her. George blames the new crowd she hung out with - thats hogwash - Casey is Casey and not one person could make her do something that she didn't want to. All her friends had Real Jobs and going to school fulltime, Casey lived in a Fastasy World and if she would of given Caylee to Cindy and George she would have nothing - no home, no money, she would be worst off than she was having Caylee. I have faith in the system and I believe Casey will get a fair trial and she will be found guilty - that 31 days of not reporting Caylee missing, the smell in the car and her actions after Caylee went missing will hang her......oh and yes I truly believe George said alot in the Grand Jury Hearing otherwise they wouldn't of came up with 1 st degree murder. jmooYour thinking is very much like mine as far as your "of the moment" theory. But it only takes a moment to form premeditation, and I think Caseys prior searches and behavior speaks volumes to her willingness to do away with Caylee when the time came. PREMEDITATION

[n/t]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???


Good Morning! :wub:


I'd love to get Katprint's take on this. It's a big concern, imo. I question why the judge wouldn't know this though. There must be something more. An exemption to the exemption? :unsure:

[Danette44]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???

I'm really confused on alot of this stuff - I think LE did what was required by law and it was the media that got it out, since anyone is allowed copies. And JB being an Floridian Attorney he should know the Sunshine State Laws, but then it seems the Judge had to remind him of some. With all these Dream Team Experts involved now - it's not about Casey it's about JB and being able to have these experts to make a name for him. Notice how Dr. Henry Lee hasn't been on any talk shows since Judge Strickland let it be known how his experts are also going on TV. I think JB will have this moved to Geraldo Rivera's territory, he has alot of followers in the Fort Lauderdale area. JMOO

[Regina.Lampert]

I know most everyone feels the pain, and it's good to have that simpatico with all you posters. I think we're our own therapy sessions...everyday.

You're right Sofiesmom, it really does help following all of this with posters on the board. I know from the Laci Peterson case, that you bond with those you following a case with, from the very beginning. We have some really wonderful people on this Forum, imo.

All wanting the same thing, justice for this little angel, Caylee.

[SavannahStar]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???

:ohmy: Holy Moly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I post with Grins there (I think I know where you mean) also but I must have missed that if he posted it.

Funny you should bring this up, because not more than a day or so ago I was complaining about the Sunshine Laws (as I usually do) and someone responded that in many cases they serve a very good purpose, however, they maybe should think about exempting criminal cases!

Now you're saying they ARE exempt????? :ohmy:

I just woke up and almost spilled my coffee reading this.

I've said all along that IMO, the videos and everything else we've seen should not be out in the public. I have many reasons for that, and "may taint the jury pool" is just one. This stuff is for trial only (again IMO), and there is just no reason for the general public to see it all.

I'm floored. I wish we had a FL attorney on board to comment.

[gaelicpeas]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???I am not a lawyer, but maybe this exemption is why we haven't seen Annie and Mark's interviews, and the texting between Casey and TonE... among other things. Maybe these things directly implicate Casey? JMO

[Danette44]

:ohmy: Holy Moly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I post with Grins there (I think I know where you mean) also but I must have missed that if he posted it.

Funny you should bring this up, because not more than a day or so ago I was complaining about the Sunshine Laws (as I usually do) and someone responded that in many cases they serve a very good purpose, however, they maybe should think about exempting criminal cases!

Now you're saying they ARE exempt????? :ohmy:

I just woke up and almost spilled my coffee reading this.

I've said all along that IMO, the videos and everything else we've seen should not be out in the public. I have many reasons for that, and "may taint the jury pool" is just one. This stuff is for trial only (again IMO), and there is just no reason for the general public to see it all.

I'm floored. I wish we had a FL attorney on board to comment.

JB is a Florida Attorney he knows the Laws - so why doesn't he do something about it? LE wanted a GAG order Jose didn't........moo

[n/t]

I'm really confused on alot of this stuff - I think LE did what was required by law and it was the media that got it out, since anyone is allowed copies. And JB being an Floridian Attorney he should know the Sunshine State Laws, but then it seems the Judge had to remind him of some. With all these Dream Team Experts involved now - it's not about Casey it's about JB and being able to have these experts to make a name for him. Notice how Dr. Henry Lee hasn't been on any talk shows since Judge Strickland let it be known how his experts are also going on TV. I think JB will have this moved to Geraldo Rivera's territory, he has alot of followers in the Fort Lauderdale area. JMOO

How did the media get a hold of it? That's the problem. If there is an exemption to the law,,,,,,,those should never have been released to begin with (if the exemption clause is interpreted correctly!)

It's a big concern, however all parties are aware of the Sunshine Law and IIRC this last video release (Aug 14) was requested by Baez so if he felt this exemption clause would be grounds for an appeal (or mistrial) why would he request the tape be released?

[n/t]

I am not a lawyer, but maybe this exemption is why we haven't seen Annie and Mark's interviews, and the texting between Casey and TonE... among other things. Maybe these things directly implicate Casey? JMO

Excellent point. We know LE is holding alot close to their vests. What's being released doesn't directly point to Casey as being the murderer!

By golly, I think you've got it!!!:smile:

[sofiesmom]

My bold

GM Sophie

This is so tragic for sure. I continue remembering Caylee (http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e336/mizzqueen490/caylee-anthony-nc.jpg) as that beautiful little girl and I hope this picture helps? :wub:Thanks, ellegna. It does help, and that's how I want to think of her.

I'm usually not necessarily pro prosecution, and not pro death penalty for more than one reason (years of appeals=taxpayer money, and possibly wrong person being convicted/executed). I always look for mitigation, but in this case, I want justice to be fair and swift.

[Regina.Lampert]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???


I love Grinnie and respect his opinions, but I think it will all come down to a battle of rights and I think the First Amendment will beat out this criminal's rights (5th and 6th Amendments) when push comes to shove. The law in Florida is very clear on this, imo.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am6

In addition, "active" investigation may be the operative word in the cited statute. imo.

[n/t]

Where's Grins? We want him here. LOL:laugh:

[msgatorslayer]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???

G'Morning!

IMO, if there was any problem with the Sunshine Laws there would be a whole bunch of criminals getting their sentences overturned for the same thing Grins is worried about.

[msgatorslayer]

I am not a lawyer, but maybe this exemption is why we haven't seen Annie and Mark's interviews, and the texting between Casey and TonE... among other things. Maybe these things directly implicate Casey? JMO

Bingo! There are things being held back. They have something very important in them, IMO.

[desmom]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???

Good Morning KKKKKKatie! I am not a legal expert. I posted this yesterday and it may answer your question. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12668269#post12668269

Public Records: A Guide for Law Enforcement
http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/MRAY-7E8QJ6/$file/2008LEGuide.pdf

Page 49 Are records released to the defendant considered to be criminal investigative or intelligence information?

"Except in limited circumstances, records which have been given or are required to be given to the person arrested cannot be withheld from public inspection as a criminal investigative or intelligence information. In other words, once the material has been made available to the defendant as part of the discovery process in a criminal proceeding, the material is ordinarily no longer considered to be exempt criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information.

If the above link does not work, try http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument and click on Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format

[ellegna]

I love Grinnie and respect his opinions, but I think it will all come down to a battle of rights and I think the First Amendment will beat out this criminal's rights (5th and 6th Amendments) when push comes to shove. The law in Florida is very clear on this, imo.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am6

In addition, "active" investigation may be the operative word in the cited statute. imo.

GM Scamp

If in fact the Sunshine Law is not being applied correctly or has been violated, I can't believe with all the info that has been made public to date, someone has not challenged.

[BJames]

Good morning everyone!

I have had a question for a while now for anyone in the know?

When a person is in jail (and/or prison) how do they get their hair cut? I would imagine that scissors themselves aren't allowed? Is there an appointed person to cut hair? Does it cost anything?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows :smile:

[spageddy]

I know most everyone feels the pain, and it's good to have that simpatico with all you posters. I think we're our own therapy sessions...everyday.

I'm with you Sofiesmom. I can't always keep up with the happenings, but now & then when I have time I like to post an opinion or feeling. It's helpful because most of the people in my world are not as immersed in this case as I am. I get a lot of :"Oh- are you still watching that ? "
In fact, I just had to clear my screen to avoid getting S**t from a family member.:sneaky:
I like to post in the AM when the posters are friendly and I can kinda keep up.

[really3997]

Did anyone watch Geraldo last night?

[gaelicpeas]

Excellent point. We know LE is holding alot close to their vests. What's being released doesn't directly point to Casey as being the murderer!

By golly, I think you've got it!!!:smile:Thanks, n/t. I also just have to assume that what has been released is okay, or we would have heard about it by now. JMO

[n/t]

Good Morning KKKKKKatie! I am not a legal expert. I posted this yesterday and it may answer your question. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12668269#post12668269

Public Records: A Guide for Law Enforcement
http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/MRAY-7E8QJ6/$file/2008LEGuide.pdf

Page 49 Are records released to the defendant considered to be criminal investigative or intelligence information?

"Except in limited circumstances, records which have been given or are required to be given to the person arrested cannot be withheld from public inspection as a criminal investigative or intelligence information. In other words, once the material has been made available to the defendant as part of the discovery process in a criminal proceeding, the material is ordinarily no longer considered to be exempt criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information.

If the above link does not work, try http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument and click on Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format

Thanks for the link desmom. That's why many times we hear "sources" close to the investigation,,,,,blah blah blah.

With that said, wouldn't the forensics findings be considered part of the criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information?

Well, I suppose even if it was confirmed that the hair matched Caylee's and the air samples concluded a dead body in the trunk that doesn't necessarily convict Casey, right?

I think I'm finally understanding it. :blink:

[Abbie]

JMO

Premeditation- the duct tape. Who duct tapes the mouth of a dead person? IMO she did it prior to killing Caylee.

Consciousness of Guilt- the body was hidden. If she was really a looney-tunes, why would she hide the body? Just leave it where-ever.

Her words are all lies. Her actions speak louder than her words.

abbie

[n/t]

Thanks, n/t. I also just have to assume that what has been released is okay, or we would have heard about it by now. JMO

I'm with you on assuming that is okay but hey, you just never know with high profile cases. We've been shocked before. I'm glad the issue was brought up by Katie and Grins. It makes for great discussion and it puts our minds at ease, in a way. We don't want anything to get in the way of a conviction!

Wonder when Baez will request COV? WTH is he waiting for? The day before the trial? :glare:

[SavannahStar]

Thanks, n/t. I also just have to assume that what has been released is okay, or we would have heard about it by now. JMO

I do agree that's probably true.

I still don't like it. And I think Casey is guilty as heck.

I don't see the benefit of putting everything out in the public, I really don't. Sure "we" crave the info....but "we" don't NEED it. It serves no purpose, IMO. Seeing/hearing it at trial would be best. IMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning KKKKKKatie! I am not a legal expert. I posted this yesterday and it may answer your question. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12668269#post12668269

Public Records: A Guide for Law Enforcement
http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/MRAY-7E8QJ6/$file/2008LEGuide.pdf

Page 49 Are records released to the defendant considered to be criminal investigative or intelligence information?

"Except in limited circumstances, records which have been given or are required to be given to the person arrested cannot be withheld from public inspection as a criminal investigative or intelligence information. In other words, once the material has been made available to the defendant as part of the discovery process in a criminal proceeding, the material is ordinarily no longer considered to be exempt criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information.

If the above link does not work, try http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument and click on Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format

Thank you Des! That puts that worry to rest, we need to alert Grinnie!

[BANJO GRANNY]

Good morning everyone!

I have had a question for a while now for anyone in the know?

When a person is in jail (and/or prison) how do they get their hair cut? I would imagine that scissors themselves aren't allowed? Is there an appointed person to cut hair? Does it cost anything?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows :smile:
I don't know if it cost anything or not, but where I live some barbers go to the jail and give haircuts.




:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[Elle]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???


Hi Katie
That is a good question!! (I so wish I was a lawyer right now, or was married to a lawyer) I have a question too, about the gag order.
The state wanted a gag order, Baez argued against it and won. If the gag order was granted, would that have kept the media from being able to print or release the tapes and documents?



There is so much I need to learn.

[desmom]

Thanks for the link desmom. That's why many times we hear "sources" close to the investigation,,,,,blah blah blah.

With that said, wouldn't the forensics findings be considered part of the criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information?

Well, I suppose even if it was confirmed that the hair matched Caylee's and the air samples concluded a dead body in the trunk that doesn't necessarily convict Casey, right?

I think I'm finally understanding it. :blink:

There is a lot of info in that link above. If they came from an out of state agency or federal agency, I don't think so.... jmo

From page 44 http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument Click on Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format

When is criminal investigative or intelligence information received from other states or the federal government exempt from disclosure?

Pursuant to s. 119.071(2)(b), F.S., criminal intelligence or investigative information received by a Florida criminal justice agency from a non-Florida criminal justice agency on a confidential or similarly restricted basis is exempt from disclosure. The purpose of this statue is to "encourage cooperation between non-state and state criminal justice agencies." Thus, confidential documents furnished to a state attorney by the federal government remained exempt from public inspection even though the documents inadvertently had been give to the defendant and placed in the court record in violation of the federal loan agreement.

[BANJO GRANNY]

Bingo! There are things being held back. They have something very important in them, IMO.
I agree and I think it is something really really big IMO



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[Danette44]

How did the media get a hold of it? That's the problem. If there is an exemption to the law,,,,,,,those should never have been released to begin with (if the exemption clause is interpreted correctly!)

It's a big concern, however all parties are aware of the Sunshine Law and IIRC this last video release (Aug 14) was requested by Baez so if he felt this exemption clause would be grounds for an appeal (or mistrial) why would he request the tape be released?

With this last release he requested I think he did it for the purpose of blaming it on LE - if you notice in the tape Casey made it clear she was ask not to talk to anyone - and with Jose out of town he probably told LE she wasn't allow visitors while he was away. Since George doesn't trust him he requested to see Casey with Jose gone. I also thought that once something was filed with the Clerk Of The Circuit Court that anyone was able to get copies as the media did? Not sure on that n/t......

[spageddy]

Speaking of the info that we crave... I've asked this before...
Wher is Lee's girlfriend Mallory. What does anyone know about her? I think Casey refers to Mallory's car being at the Anthony's home very early on. I think that Mallory must have some inside info about what was going on inside during those early days. Everyone who was anywhere near the A's back then has come out with some kind of interview. I may have missed it, but I don't recall anything from Mallory.

[n/t]

Thank you Des! That puts that worry to rest, we need to alert Grinnie!

Done!

:laugh:

[trich]

Excellent point. We know LE is holding alot close to their vests. What's being released doesn't directly point to Casey as being the murderer!

By golly, I think you've got it!!!:smile:


I hope this is true.
When you think about it ...have we seen any direct evidence from LE?
Ouside of videos and some interviews ......it has all been media hype.
Heck we really do not even know if there was duck tape around the mouth.....LE has not come out and made any announcements about the direct evidence.
Most of what we have heard is just that ...what we have heard from "sources" and Baez supposed "experts".
I bet when they finally go to trial the evidence they present will not be any of the documents already released to the public.
Another thought is that maybe by asking for all these documents Baez is going for a mistrial ...but it seems to me there must be something in the law that prevents the defense for asking for something and when released you claim unfair bias or something like that.:shrug:
I just can't believe the authorities do not know what they are doing.
Sunshine laws or not.

[apothecary]

Good morning everyone.I just have about 1/2 hr to read some messages and post this reply.I think the Duckett,McCann and this case all have similarities because I think the children were drugged and no bodies were found in the other cases.I dont know if there was money made in the Duckett case but in the others much money was made.My fear is that if Casey gets off that other people will kill their children for the money they could raise because I think that thought was already in Caseys mind.She would get rid of Caylee and be famous and also make money

[BJames]

I don't know if it cost anything or not, but where I live some barbers go to the jail and give haircuts.




:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON


Thanks Banjo Granny, I was wondering how (especially the women) would not have hair down to their knees...And I have a hard time believing that the inmates are just handed a pair of scissors...dangerous even to themselves I would guess. I have heard that inmates sometimes 'do' each others hair, but my guess would be curlers etc.
The things that don't make me wonder :wink:

Thanks again...

[Danette44]

I'm with you on assuming that is okay but hey, you just never know with high profile cases. We've been shocked before. I'm glad the issue was brought up by Katie and Grins. It makes for great discussion and it puts our minds at ease, in a way. We don't want anything to get in the way of a conviction!

Wonder when Baez will request COV? WTH is he waiting for? The day before the trial? :glare:

He said on Greta's the other night next month and I have a feeling it will be in Geraldo Rivera's territory.....Fort Lauderdale....jmoo

[Regina.Lampert]

I do agree that's probably true.

I still don't like it. And I think Casey is guilty as heck.

I don't see the benefit of putting everything out in the public, I really don't. Sure "we" crave the info....but "we" don't NEED it. It serves no purpose, IMO. Seeing/hearing it at trial would be best. IMO.

I see the benefit, which is to allow the public to see the facts with their own eyes and not have to rely on the BS the defense and their minions pollute the airwaves with.....imo.

[n/t]

Good morning everyone.I just have about 1/2 hr to read some messages and post this reply.I think the Duckett,McCann and this case all have similarities because I think the children were drugged and no bodies were found in the other cases.I dont know if there was money made in the Duckett case but in the others much money was made.My fear is that if Casey gets off that other people will kill their children for the money they could raise because I think that thought was already in Caseys mind.She would get rid of Caylee and be famous and also make money

Although it's been speculated that Madeleine and her siblings were given "sleep aids" to keep her quiet whilst her parents dined and partied at a restaurant, to my knowledge it could never be proven because Madeleine is still missing.

With that said, yes the McCanns made a lot of money from this case and still are, I believe.

I always wondered if whoever did the computer searches on the computer for Missing Children thought they could copy cat Madeleine's case. Afterall, Madeleine's case was big news. And I always felt both cases were so similar in so many ways.

IMO

[Abbie]

Good morning everyone!

I have had a question for a while now for anyone in the know?

When a person is in jail (and/or prison) how do they get their hair cut? I would imagine that scissors themselves aren't allowed? Is there an appointed person to cut hair? Does it cost anything?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows :smile:

I saw a program once on Women in Prison. Probably on MSNBC. These were already sentenced women who were in for awhile. They offered a couple of programs where the women could learn a trade or work a job.
One of the trades was cosmetology. So when they get out they have a profession/ career. They had several women who came to a "beauty shop" in the prison and were supervised by their instructor. All scissors, tools, etc were counted before and after. Nobody left unless the count was right. The other inmates who wanted to get their 'hair done) (braided, cut, I didn't see any hair coloring going on) could come there, and be their guinea pigs plus get their hair done.

Something else on that show that I found fascinating....you know when you call in to get info or make reservations w/ travel agency? The person you speak to? I saw a show on women in prison and their 'job" (couple bucks a day) was they sat in cubicles in the prison and answered peeps questions and took reservations. The people they spoke with had no idea they were prisoners. I can't remember if that was part of training for a travel agency job or not. I know it was a good way to 'outsource', much better than having peeps in India
do it. JMO

[Danette44]

I also wondering once he gets it moved if Judge Strickland would go with him - if anyone recalls with Scott peterson's case they called a Judge in that was already retired. Jose also mention the new place is where there is less coverage - in reality I would think where I live is less - we only get the paper once a week and Casey is very seldom on the news here - only when something is REAL BIG happens do we hear it..... they would probably need a place with an Airport real close as our closes is 45 minutes away.

[Regina.Lampert]

Done!

:laugh:

Thank you n/t!!


:thumbup:

[SavannahStar]

I hope this is true.
When you think about it ...have we seen any direct evidence from LE?
Ouside of videos and some interviews ......it has all been media hype.
Heck we really do not even know if there was duck tape around the mouth.....LE has not come out and made any announcements about the direct evidence.
Most of what we have heard is just that ...what we have heard from "sources" and Baez supposed "experts".
I bet when they finally go to trial the evidence they present will not be any of the documents already released to the public.
Another thought is that maybe by asking for all these documents Baez is going for a mistrial ...but it seems to me there must be something in the law that prevents the defense for asking for something and when released you claim unfair bias or something like that.:shrug:
I just can't believe the authorities do not know what they are doing.
Sunshine laws or not.

bolding mine.

What?????? All the doc dumps are LE information!

[n/t]

I saw a program once on Women in Prison. Probably on MSNBC. These were already sentenced women who were in for awhile. They offered a couple of programs where the women could learn a trade or work a job.
One of the trades was cosmetology. So when they get out they have a profession/ career. They had several women who came to a "beauty shop" in the prison and were supervised by their instructor. All scissors, tools, etc were counted before and after. Nobody left unless the count was right. The other inmates who wanted to get their 'hair done) (braided, cut, I didn't see any hair coloring going on) could come there, and be their guinea pigs plus get their hair done.

Something else on that show that I found fascinating....you know when you call in to get info or make reservations w/ travel agency? The person you speak to? I saw a show on women in prison and their 'job" (couple bucks a day) was they sat in cubicles in the prison and answered peeps questions and took reservations. The people they spoke with had no idea they were prisoners. I can't remember if that was part of training for a travel agency job or not. I know it was a good way to 'outsource', much better than having peeps in India
do it. JMO

Let's hope Casey never gets out. Who would trust her with a pair of scissors? :scared:

I doubt she'll want to learn anything. She's too lazy. A job? She doesn't know what that is. :thumbdown: She'll read her bible and eat snacks all day or listen to the radio. Oh....and she'll get all those nice letters of people supporting her. That'll keep her busy.:unsure:

ETA: This reminded me of Karla Homolka when she was released where I live. The panic was unbearable. She could've been my neighbour and not know it. <shudder>

[n/t]

There is a lot of info in that link above. If they came from an out of state agency or federal agency, I don't think so.... jmo

From page 44 http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument Click on Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format

When is criminal investigative or intelligence information received from other states or the federal government exempt from disclosure?

Pursuant to s. 119.071(2)(b), F.S., criminal intelligence or investigative information received by a Florida criminal justice agency from a non-Florida criminal justice agency on a confidential or similarly restricted basis is exempt from disclosure. The purpose of this statue is to "encourage cooperation between non-state and state criminal justice agencies." Thus, confidential documents furnished to a state attorney by the federal government remained exempt from public inspection even though the documents inadvertently had been give to the defendant and placed in the court record in violation of the federal loan agreement.


I'll have to read the whole thing when I have time. Thanks so much for your valiable input and links, desmom:wub:

[Abbie]

Let's hope Casey never gets out. Who would trust her with a pair of scissors? :scared:

I doubt she'll want to learn anything. She's too lazy. A job? She doesn't know what that is. :thumbdown: She'll read her bible and eat snacks all day or listen to the radio. Oh....and she'll get all those nice letters of people supporting her. That'll keep her busy.:unsure:

ETA: This reminded me of Karla Homolka when she was released where I live. The panic was unbearable. She could've been my neighbour and not know it. <shudder>

Hopefully Casey will get LWOP and never get out. I don't think the "program" is open to women who are not going anywhere, its part of a rehab type thing so women have a trade when they get out, so they are able to support themselves w/o selling drugs or being prostitutes, etc. Its a second chance. I don't think the prison system would waste $ and resources on women who aren't going anywhere. But I could be wrong.
I wasn't even thinking that Casey could participate in such a program, IF it was available where ever she is sent to do her time. As you said, who would want her near their carotid artery with sharp implements? Not me. I wouldn't even want her int he jail kitchen. Let her do something like laundry or librarian.
Heck, shes done so much "bible reading" while in jail, maybe they will make her a minister!! ROFLMAO!!!!

[Danette44]

Let's hope Casey never gets out. Who would trust her with a pair of scissors? :scared:

I doubt she'll want to learn anything. She's too lazy. A job? She doesn't know what that is. :thumbdown: She'll read her bible and eat snacks all day or listen to the radio. Oh....and she'll get all those nice letters of people supporting her. That'll keep her busy.:unsure:

ETA: This reminded me of Karla Homolka when she was released where I live. The panic was unbearable. She could've been my neighbour and not know it. <shudder>

Is that the one with her husband they killed her sister? If so that was horrible and now she is remarried with a child is that correct? Lets pray the system works ( which I believe will ) that Casey nevers sees the outside again.

[n/t]

He said on Greta's the other night next month and I have a feeling it will be in Geraldo Rivera's territory.....Fort Lauderdale....jmoo

Well, isn't that special. :rolleyes: I wish I knew when the trial begins so I can schedule my vacation time in Ft. Lauderdale. You think I'll get in the courtroom?

I'd love to go. Caylee needs all her supporters there. :crying:

[Abbie]

Let's hope Casey never gets out. Who would trust her with a pair of scissors? :scared:

I doubt she'll want to learn anything. She's too lazy. A job? She doesn't know what that is. :thumbdown: She'll read her bible and eat snacks all day or listen to the radio. Oh....and she'll get all those nice letters of people supporting her. That'll keep her busy.:unsure:

ETA: This reminded me of Karla Homolka when she was released where I live. The panic was unbearable. She could've been my neighbour and not know it. <shudder>

Or keep count of how much money she has in her jail account-
courtesy of WHO??? The people donating to her jail account should be OUTED!!!!!! jmo.

[BJames]

Thanks Abbie, that sounds like a good way to find something you would have experience doing on the outside..plus filling a need within the institution. I can see that in an established prison routine...I wonder if the same is done in jail for those who are in solitary? 'Cuz eventually I'm thinking PPOF is going to want something done with her 'doo', by all rights this gal is used to being a 'princess'...and I wouldn't trust her in a room with a pair of scissors and another person. Or at least I wouldn't want to go in there with her...it seems from the last video release that she can wield a telephone..scissors..?

Just my opinion of course...

[Abbie]

Well, isn't that special. :rolleyes: I wish I knew when the trial begins so I can schedule my vacation time in Ft. Lauderdale. You think I'll get in the courtroom?

I'd love to go. Caylee needs all her supporters there. :crying:

Hope you have extensive vacation time. This one won't be over in a week. Just getting all her lies on the court record will take a month. LOL.

[SavannahStar]

Or keep count of how much money she has in her jail account-
courtesy of WHO??? The people donating to her jail account should be OUTED!!!!!! jmo.
I think we did get the names of two of them.

[n/t]

Is that the one with her husband they killed her sister? If so that was horrible and now she is remarried with a child is that correct? Lets pray the system works ( which I believe will ) that Casey nevers sees the outside again.
Yes, and two other girls. She got an immunity deal to testify against her husband..Paul Bernardo. She only served 12 years and was released.

Sick sick sick.

Here's a link: http://crime.about.com/od/murder/p/homolka.htm

That's why I cringe when I hear about immunity deals. I know the law up here in Canada sucks and you have a much better justice system over there, imo. I'm glad Casey is NOT getting any immunity. Too late now. Caylee's body was found. Casey can't offer anything even if she confesses....book her for life.

[Abbie]

Thanks Abbie, that sounds like a good way to find something you would have experience doing on the outside..plus filling a need within the institution. I can see that in an established prison routine...I wonder if the same is done in jail for those who are in solitary? 'Cuz eventually I'm thinking PPOF is going to want something done with her 'doo', by all rights this gal is used to being a 'princess'...and I wouldn't trust her in a room with a pair of scissors and another person. Or at least I wouldn't want to go in there with her...it seems from the last video release that she can wield a telephone..scissors..?

Just my opinion of course...

Now we can all have nightmares about Casey cutting our hair and screwing it up, getting furious and having one of her hissy fits like she did on the phone w/ her parents, with the scissors in her hands....OMG!!!!

I have a feeling (at least I hope) the prosecution will use that little clip of her hissy fit during the trial. Anyone who gets 'frustrated' to the point they react like that seems like someone not in full control of their emotions. JMO.

[CelticDawn]

Hopefully Casey will get LWOP and never get out. I don't think the "program" is open to women who are not going anywhere, its part of a rehab type thing so women have a trade when they get out, so they are able to support themselves w/o selling drugs or being prostitutes, etc. Its a second chance. I don't think the prison system would waste $ and resources on women who aren't going anywhere. But I could be wrong.
I wasn't even thinking that Casey could participate in such a program, IF it was available where ever she is sent to do her time. As you said, who would want her near their carotid artery with sharp implements? Not me. I wouldn't even want her int he jail kitchen. Let her do something like laundry or librarian.
Heck, shes done so much "bible reading" while in jail, maybe they will make her a minister!! ROFLMAO!!!!

LOL but she would pick and choose the Scriptures to suit her need to manipulate.

I can't imagine the prison system wasting resources on lifers either, but here in the prison system, they are allowed to entertain us in the Rodeo contests and such. They can work in the fields to support the prison food system.

[n/t]

Hope you have extensive vacation time. This one won't be over in a week. Just getting all her lies on the court record will take a month. LOL.

For real. I only get 2 weeks at a time so it'll be a tough decision LOL

I hope there will be others there supporting Caylee. Actually I can guarantee there will be. Justice for Caylee! :rose:

[starling]

I just saw this movie yesterday about a little 3 year old girl who goes missing. Her mom is a big party girl, no job, drinking, doing drugs, dragging this kid around with her to score her drugs, leaving her with strangers so she can go out and party, pretty much how I envision Caylee's life with Casey this past year or so. Anyway, the entire movie runs parallel to this case- even with the Aunt and Uncle being the only two relatives this kid has that care about her but don't realize the gravity of the situation this kid is in, and the same exact family dynamics with them making excuses for the mother, the same dynamics as what went on in Caylee's homelife. Anyway, long story short, and I won't reveal any more of this film, but it left me with the definite feelings that sometimes divine intervention intercedes and some kids are just better off not being with their families. It may look like a tragedy but in a certain way, it is a helpless kid being rescued out of a lifetime of misery. I try to remember that when I think about the outcome of this case and I know in my heart that she is in a much better place and that no one can hurt her anymore. And that's what gives me some peace about this whole thing.

I know exactly the movie you are talking about
The end of that movie is chilling

JMO

[CelticDawn]

Or keep count of how much money she has in her jail account-
courtesy of WHO??? The people donating to her jail account should be OUTED!!!!!! jmo.

why aren't donations to people in custody a part of public record? seems that sunshine Law isn't what its cracked up to be.

[Abbie]

LOL but she would pick and choose the Scriptures to suit her need to manipulate.

I can't imagine the prison system wasting resources on lifers either, but here in the prison system, they are allowed to entertain us in the Rodeo contests and such. They can work in the fields to support the prison food system.

OMG that made me think of something funny. Lets just put Casey in a clown outfit and throw her out in the rodeo ring to distract the bulls from the cowboys when they fall off. It will be every clown for themself!!! Hope she can run fast, duck and dive!!!! If she can't...oh welllllll.........:thumbup:

abbie

[n/t]

I know exactly the movie you are talking about
The end of that movie is chilling

JMO

Gone Baby Gone? I think that's the name of it. Saw it. I hated the ending.:cursing:

[JLP]

Hopefully Casey will get LWOP and never get out. I don't think the "program" is open to women who are not going anywhere, its part of a rehab type thing so women have a trade when they get out, so they are able to support themselves w/o selling drugs or being prostitutes, etc. Its a second chance. I don't think the prison system would waste $ and resources on women who aren't going anywhere. But I could be wrong.
I wasn't even thinking that Casey could participate in such a program, IF it was available where ever she is sent to do her time. As you said, who would want her near their carotid artery with sharp implements? Not me. I wouldn't even want her int he jail kitchen. Let her do something like laundry or librarian.
Heck, shes done so much "bible reading" while in jail, maybe they will make her a minister!! ROFLMAO!!!!

Her with scissors is as scary as her with the Bible.
Only God could truly change this PURE EVIL heart.
She is Diabolical...

[Barbara fl.]

Now we can all have nightmares about Casey cutting our hair and screwing it up, getting furious and having one of her hissy fits like she did on the phone w/ her parents, with the scissors in her hands....OMG!!!!

I have a feeling (at least I hope) the prosecution will use that little clip of her hissy fit during the trial. Anyone who gets 'frustrated' to the point they react like that seems like someone not in full control of their emotions. JMO.



Good morning all,

I too cringe when I think of Casey's temper in that tape....it certainly didn't take much for her to explode...I can just imagine her reaction on Father's day when Cindy approached her about stealing the grandparents assisted living fund.....

Also the way she manipulated her parents from behind bars...she got her point across to both her parents just how mad she was at them....and the way George responded was probably the same response that was always given to Casey......

[SavannahStar]

Gone Baby Gone? I think that's the name of it. Saw it. I hated the ending.:cursing:


I saw it too and didn't like it much. It was a VERY dark and depressing movie.

I don't really see a comparison to this case, as January said. The families were so very different.

[msgatorslayer]

I also wondering once he gets it moved if Judge Strickland would go with him - if anyone recalls with Scott peterson's case they called a Judge in that was already retired. Jose also mention the new place is where there is less coverage - in reality I would think where I live is less - we only get the paper once a week and Casey is very seldom on the news here - only when something is REAL BIG happens do we hear it..... they would probably need a place with an Airport real close as our closes is 45 minutes away.

My only knowledge of COV cases in Florida comes from the Couey trial. Judge Ric Howard moved from Inverness {Citrus County}, to Tavares {Lake County}, for jury selection. The trial was then supposed to be heard back in Inverness after jurors were selected. But a mistrial was declared. The trial then landed in Miami. Where Ted Bundy was tried on a COV.

The defense had tried, unsuccesfully, to get Howard to recluse himself from hearing the case. Howard's court staff went with him to each location.

[CelticDawn]

Good morning all,

I too cringe when I think of Casey's temper in that tape....it certainly didn't take much for her to explode...I can just imagine her reaction on Father's day when Cindy approached her about stealing the grandparents assisted living fund.....

Also the way she manipulated her parents from behind bars...she got her point across to both her parents just how mad she was at them....and the way George responded was probably the same response that was always given to Casey......

IMO that wasn't really a full blown caseyfit. It seemed rather tame to me based on things I have seen personally. I can look at the tape and see the possibility of blind rage dissociated violence....May have even been the norm in that house....I wonder just how many times she may have actually gone physical with family members. Even George was walking on eggs.

[Danette44]

Well, isn't that special. :rolleyes: I wish I knew when the trial begins so I can schedule my vacation time in Ft. Lauderdale. You think I'll get in the courtroom?

I'd love to go. Caylee needs all her supporters there. :crying:

Look how many got in SP's court room, I would be right by you!

[msgatorslayer]

Good morning all,

I too cringe when I think of Casey's temper in that tape....it certainly didn't take much for her to explode...I can just imagine her reaction on Father's day when Cindy approached her about stealing the grandparents assisted living fund.....

Also the way she manipulated her parents from behind bars...she got her point across to both her parents just how mad she was at them....and the way George responded was probably the same response that was always given to Casey......

Her tantrum is hilarious. "Why won't anyone let me speak?" LMAO - well, sweetheart, if your lips are moving, you're lying.:lol:

[CelticDawn]

Her with scissors is as scary as her with the Bible.
Only God could truly change this PURE EVIL heart.
She is Diabolical...

Her in prison with scissors....well the first time she smarted off or raised her hand to another inmate she would eat those scissors....

I think she needs to get some of her own medicine.

[PuffDragon]

JMO

Premeditation- the duct tape. Who duct tapes the mouth of a dead person? IMO she did it prior to killing Caylee.

Consciousness of Guilt- the body was hidden. If she was really a looney-tunes, why would she hide the body? Just leave it where-ever.

Her words are all lies. Her actions speak louder than her words.

abbie

*Bolding mine

And her words are speaking pretty loudly.

Good morning peepsters.

[Barbara fl.]

Well, isn't that special. :rolleyes: I wish I knew when the trial begins so I can schedule my vacation time in Ft. Lauderdale. You think I'll get in the courtroom?

I'd love to go. Caylee needs all her supporters there. :crying:


It would be nice to all those who live in the vicinity of the trial to get together and attend....maybe do lunch....I can travel as far as maybe Port St. Lucie, which is 3 hours from me...

I doubt that the change of venue will be too far away from where it happened...Baez and the prosecution will not want to be traveling too far everyday.....I'm thinking more like maybe Gainsville or maybe Tampa.....out of the vicinity and yet close enough for travel....just a thought

[read-in]

Good Morning to all;
real early yet for me, but your all helping me wake up pretty quick
casey and sissors:ohmy:

[Abbie]

Good morning all,

I too cringe when I think of Casey's temper in that tape....it certainly didn't take much for her to explode...I can just imagine her reaction on Father's day when Cindy approached her about stealing the grandparents assisted living fund.....

Also the way she manipulated her parents from behind bars...she got her point across to both her parents just how mad she was at them....and the way George responded was probably the same response that was always given to Casey......

"You're the boss here" he tells her. Seems like they KNEW what to say to try to get her attention. Yes, you can be in charge. Notice Cindy does NOT say anything like, "Oh, yes, sweetheart, you absolutely ARE the boss...". She keeps her mouth shut. I don't think she was really on board with the "boss' thing, (cos shes such a control freak and sees herself as the BOSS in all things...) but she kept her mouth shut in the hopes of finding out something about Caylee. JMO.
I actually feel sorry for Cindy in that video. She seems so distraught and absolutely without much hope. She has lost the only thing in this world that brought her JOY. JMO. I just can't understand WHY she flipped from that to being so pro-Casey. I know why we THINK she flipped to the dark side. Wish I had the inside story.
She will have a book. She might have it ghost-written, but I have no doubt it will be out there. Then the movie- they will oversee that for the purpose of changing what they can to protect the monster.

abbie

[SavannahStar]

Look how many got in SP's court room, I would be right by you!There will probably be a "lottery" for the public seating. I know that happened in the Peterson trial. They have So many spots for the general public and you put your name in the "hat" early morning and see if you get picked. I wouldn't count on always being able to get in. That trial will be absolutely PACKED.

[Pruddennce]

How did the media get a hold of it? That's the problem. If there is an exemption to the law,,,,,,,those should never have been released to begin with (if the exemption clause is interpreted correctly!)

It's a big concern, however all parties are aware of the Sunshine Law and IIRC this last video release (Aug 14) was requested by Baez so if he felt this exemption clause would be grounds for an appeal (or mistrial) why would he request the tape be released?


IMO: because Baez gave more weight to Casey's alleged 'frustration and tears' than the fact that she did not want to continue to 'provide her parents with additional information to assist in the investigation'....

he overlooked one glaring presentation of herself in that visit: she was hostile and full of rage in between her "I love you's'...bulging eyes and thrusting her fist and threatening to leave the visit simply because her parents are asking additional questions....he perceived that as a 'good thing'?

Baez now knows he cannot keep a lid on her and that is why there have been no more visits.

Baez has a strange view of what is damaging to his client/case and what isnt.

the old saying: be careful what you wish for. its incredulous to think he would view this visit as presenting her in a sympathetic light.

one other instance: while the GJ is deliberating he is 'presenting a tearful Casey' who says not one word to the public....if he was smart, he would have done that long ago, with Casey pleading for her child PERSONALLY...that didnt happen....she hid out in his office.....

bulb...dim...IMO

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[JLP]

Her in prison with scissors....well the first time she smarted off or raised her hand to another inmate she would eat those scissors....

I think she needs to get some of her own medicine.

That would be wonderful.
Too bad they do/will keep her isolated.
I think the isolation will be the true punishment for this party girl.

[FrankieBones1]

Good morning everyone.I just have about 1/2 hr to read some messages and post this reply.I think the Duckett,McCann and this case all have similarities because I think the children were drugged and no bodies were found in the other cases.I dont know if there was money made in the Duckett case but in the others much money was made.My fear is that if Casey gets off that other people will kill their children for the money they could raise because I think that thought was already in Caseys mind.She would get rid of Caylee and be famous and also make money

You might have something there. Casey made sure that Caylee wouldn't be found for a long, long time when she waited a month to let someone know Caylee was missing. She had a whole month-head-start.

Welcome to the board.
Sue from Kingston, Ontario

[Abbie]

IMO: because Baez gave more weight to Casey's alleged 'frustration and tears' than the fact that she did not want to continue to 'provide her parents with additional information to assist in the investigation'....

he overlooked one glaring presentation of herself in that visit: she was hostile and full of rage in between her "I love you's'...bulging eyes and thrusting her fist and threatening to leave the visit simply because her parents are asking additional questions....he perceived that as a 'good thing'?

Baez now knows he cannot keep a lid on her and that is why there have been no more visits.

Baez has a strange view of what is damaging to his client/case and what isnt.

the old saying: be careful what you wish for. its incredulous to think he would view this visit as presenting her in a sympathetic light.

one other instance: while the GJ is deliberating he is 'presenting a tearful Casey' who says not one word to the public....if he was smart, he would have done that long ago, with Casey pleading for her child PERSONALLY...that didnt happen....she hid out in his office.....

bulb...dim...IMO

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Pru- maybe he will try to argue that at that moment the "zanny" personality took ahold of her!!!
For the life of me I can't imagine how he thinks this video will be helpful to her either.

[Barbara fl.]

There will probably be a "lottery" for the public seating. I know that happened in the Peterson trial. They have So many spots for the general public and you put your name in the "hat" early morning and see if you get picked. I wouldn't count on always being able to get in. That trial will be absolutely PACKED.


Your right...they had a lottery each day....well that's that for me...don't have the time to sit out there all night long and then lose by a lottery.....my luck don't go that way....

I just hope it will be televised.....I hope they don't pull a Scott Peterson on us....But with LKB on the defense team, I'm pretty sure it will be on TV......

[Danette44]

Good morning all,

I too cringe when I think of Casey's temper in that tape....it certainly didn't take much for her to explode...I can just imagine her reaction on Father's day when Cindy approached her about stealing the grandparents assisted living fund.....

Also the way she manipulated her parents from behind bars...she got her point across to both her parents just how mad she was at them....and the way George responded was probably the same response that was always given to Casey......

And if Jose has his way (which seems he does now) she will never get to talk to her family or see them til trial.....also it was stated she was real mad at George for going in front of the Grand Jury. I think Jose and Casey are alike - they both think they are above the law, and what they say will be the Truth......with JB hiring all these Dream Team Experts - Casey is still in her cell thinking she outsmarted everyone and will walk free......jmo

[FrankieBones1]

Good Morning to all;
real early yet for me, but your all helping me wake up pretty quick
casey and sissors:ohmy:

Since Casey hates jail she'll hate prison even more. I do believe she would use the scissors on herself if she had the chance. Sure would save the State a pile of money, though.

[read-in]

There will probably be a "lottery" for the public seating. I know that happened in the Peterson trial. They have So many spots for the general public and you put your name in the "hat" early morning and see if you get picked. I wouldn't count on always being able to get in. That trial will be absolutely PACKED.

im so nosey, i would like to go, just to see all the facial expressions and watch the spins... however, i dont think i could take the photos of caylee, her remains, duct tape, Etc.. it would be to upsetting for me.. i would have nightmares.

[CelticDawn]

Pru- maybe he will try to argue that at that moment the "zanny" personality took ahold of her!!!
For the life of me I can't imagine how he thinks this video will be helpful to her either.



If he chooses to go that route, he will have to present that long before it is presented at trial. also, he will have to have a MPD expert on board and opresent his/her findings to the prosecution beforehand.

[Barbara fl.]

"You're the boss here" he tells her. Seems like they KNEW what to say to try to get her attention. Yes, you can be in charge. Notice Cindy does NOT say anything like, "Oh, yes, sweetheart, you absolutely ARE the boss...". She keeps her mouth shut. I don't think she was really on board with the "boss' thing, (cos shes such a control freak and sees herself as the BOSS in all things...) but she kept her mouth shut in the hopes of finding out something about Caylee. JMO.
I actually feel sorry for Cindy in that video. She seems so distraught and absolutely without much hope. She has lost the only thing in this world that brought her JOY. JMO. I just can't understand WHY she flipped from that to being so pro-Casey. I know why we THINK she flipped to the dark side. Wish I had the inside story.
She will have a book. She might have it ghost-written, but I have no doubt it will be out there. Then the movie- they will oversee that for the purpose of changing what they can to protect the monster.

abbie


When George said that to Casey, I wanted to crack up laughing....How can ANYONE sitting behind bars be the boss?.....They can not even go to the bathroom in private, they are told when to eat and when to sleep.....What boss? Boss of what? :lol:

[n/t]

Sorry for OT but please read the prayer thread and keep jomomma and her family in your prayers today.

I just found out the news and I can't hardly type without crying.

[bluwaters]

IMO that wasn't really a full blown caseyfit. It seemed rather tame to me based on things I have seen personally. I can look at the tape and see the possibility of blind rage dissociated violence....May have even been the norm in that house....I wonder just how many times she may have actually gone physical with family members. Even George was walking on eggs.
I am in complete agreement with you. To me, Casey only began to throw a fit, but quickly put a lid on it. All we saw, IMO, was a glimmer of what a Casey fit looks like when it starts.
I think she remained on high simmer, lid on, for the rest of that session.

[Pruddennce]

Good morning everyone.I just have about 1/2 hr to read some messages and post this reply.I think the Duckett,McCann and this case all have similarities because I think the children were drugged and no bodies were found in the other cases.I dont know if there was money made in the Duckett case but in the others much money was made.My fear is that if Casey gets off that other people will kill their children for the money they could raise because I think that thought was already in Caseys mind.She would get rid of Caylee and be famous and also make money

good morning .

I respectfully disagree. IMO, this was a rage killing. she was raging against her mother who was on her back regarding the acceptance of her responsibilities with regard to raising Caylee.

she was sick of hearing it and more importantly, the 'babysitting assistance' for her nites out was wearing thin....she was running out of excuses to have Cindy watch Caylee. and she didnt have any 'free takers' to help her out. (she already lost one free babysitter: Lauren, going back awhile, who found out she didnt have a job .)

IMO, Cindy knew she was not employed and she was lying way before June 15th.

and it was escalating for some time.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[read-in]

When George said that to Casey, I wanted to crack up laughing....How can ANYONE sitting behind bars be the boss?.....They can not even go to the bathroom in private, they are told when to eat and when to sleep.....What boss? Boss of what? :lol:

She's the boss of herself, casey, zanny, and all of her invisable friends:unsure:

[Barbara fl.]

And if Jose has his way (which seems he does now) she will never get to talk to her family or see them til trial.....also it was stated she was real mad at George for going in front of the Grand Jury. I think Jose and Casey are alike - they both think they are above the law, and what they say will be the Truth......with JB hiring all these Dream Team Experts - Casey is still in her cell thinking she outsmarted everyone and will walk free......jmo


And I wonder if she is feeling like the boss that George told her she was? :lol:.....Let her keep listening to Baez....she is going for life, no question about that....And I believe that she realized that the minute she was told that Caylee's body was found....that's why she needed a tranquilizer.....

And I agree, there will be no more visits from family.....unless of course it will be just to look at each other and not say a word.....As for me, if I truly thought my daughter was innocent, nothing could have kept me from going to her when Caylee's body was found....

As for Casey, she is probably blaming her family AND Caylee...for this whole thing.....JMO

[Danette44]

It would be nice to all those who live in the vicinity of the trial to get together and attend....maybe do lunch....I can travel as far as maybe Port St. Lucie, which is 3 hours from me...

I doubt that the change of venue will be too far away from where it happened...Baez and the prosecution will not want to be traveling too far everyday.....I'm thinking more like maybe Gainsville or maybe Tampa.....out of the vicinity and yet close enough for travel....just a thought

I would go for Gainesville - but I really see him going further south.....and then on the other hand she may not want to go further south - racial - sterotypes, may want to get even for accusing ZG of kidnap. Alot of Hispanics further south and wasn't it stated Cindy wouldn't allow them in her home only George?? But, hey - she has Geraldo Rivera on her side......

[Abbie]

Since Casey hates jail she'll hate prison even more. I do believe she would use the scissors on herself if she had the chance. Sure would save the State a pile of money, though.

She thinks way too highly of herself to do that, IMO. I am sure she will not hate prison as much, she will be able to 'settle in'. I really do wonder about her life expectancy should she be put in GenPop. However if she is in PC all the time, she will love laying back, having library privileges, eating pop-tarts in her tube socks, conditioning her hair, enjoying canned seafood. I also have no doubt she will spend a great deal of time trying to manipulate the officers. Just because she 'thinks' she 'can'.

[bluwaters]

Pru- maybe he will try to argue that at that moment the "zanny" personality took ahold of her!!!
For the life of me I can't imagine how he thinks this video will be helpful to her either.
Had Baez seen this video before it was released?
It is interesting that this particular video, 8/14, was not released with the others, and the reason given is that it was "lost" in the shuffle somehow. It is by far the most damaging video of Casey that has been seen to date.
Was Baez "set up" to request it, thereby ensuring that it would receive lots of scrutiny when it was finally released?
If Baez had seen it, I can't imagine that he would request it's release.
Casey herself states in the video that if it gets out the media will have a field day with it!

[CelticDawn]

Sorry for OT but please read the prayer thread and keep jomomma and her family in your prayers today.

I just found out the news and I can't hardly type without crying.

:rose: will do

[Danette44]

My only knowledge of COV cases in Florida comes from the Couey trial. Judge Ric Howard moved from Inverness {Citrus County}, to Tavares {Lake County}, for jury selection. The trial was then supposed to be heard back in Inverness after jurors were selected. But a mistrial was declared. The trial then landed in Miami. Where Ted Bundy was tried on a COV.

The defense had tried, unsuccesfully, to get Howard to recluse himself from hearing the case. Howard's court staff went with him to each location.

I'll never forget that clip of JC in Ga. where he was in the bar drinking and smoking and they asked him what his thoughts were of Ga. banning smoking in bars.....and he had already killed little Jessica......ugh! And TB killing little Kimberly Leach in the town next to me.....actually she was found a mile from my home. I do hope they keep Judge Strickland on this case -

One question I would like to ask if anyone knows.......are Judge's allow to over-rule a verdict? Say they say NG for Casey - does he have a say in it? Just curious ty

[read-in]

She thinks way too highly of herself to do that, IMO. I am sure she will not hate prison as much, she will be able to 'settle in'. I really do wonder about her life expectancy should she be put in GenPop. However if she is in PC all the time, she will love laying back, having library privileges, eating pop-tarts in her tube socks, conditioning her hair, enjoying canned seafood. I also have no doubt she will spend a great deal of time trying to manipulate the officers. Just because she 'thinks' she 'can'.

That sounds just like her:drool:

[SavannahStar]

Sorry for OT but please read the prayer thread and keep jomomma and her family in your prayers today.

I just found out the news and I can't hardly type without crying.
Oh no! I will go over there.

[IM4Truth]

Just wanted to say that the way ellegna opened this thread is awesome. I wish all new threads could be opened in the same manner. The most important is the candle link for Caylee and the memory link for those who haven't signed yet. Then to follow up with the latest links is also very helpful. When I sign in, I go straight to the Links Thread to see if the news media has released anything. That way if nothing really much is happening I can try to break my addiction!

[SavannahStar]

Your right...they had a lottery each day....well that's that for me...don't have the time to sit out there all night long and then lose by a lottery.....my luck don't go that way....

I just hope it will be televised.....I hope they don't pull a Scott Peterson on us....But with LKB on the defense team, I'm pretty sure it will be on TV......


If I were retired I might go, but I cherish my vacation time too much to spend it at a trial, no matter how interested I am in the case. I too hope very much it will be televised....AND on live stream. I can sometimes watch that at work. :thumbup:

[SavannahStar]

I would go for Gainesville - but I really see him going further south.....and then on the other hand she may not want to go further south - racial - sterotypes, may want to get even for accusing ZG of kidnap. Alot of Hispanics further south and wasn't it stated Cindy wouldn't allow them in her home only George?? But, hey - she has Geraldo Rivera on her side......

I think the thing about Hispanics was only stated by Casey to a friend (as near as I can recall). So we don't really know if it's the truth or not. And since "Casey lies"......probably not. IMO.

[Abbie]

Just wanted to say that the way ellegna opened this thread is awesome. I wish all new threads could be opened in the same manner. The most important is the candle link for Caylee and the memory link for those who haven't signed yet. Then to follow up with the latest links is also very helpful. When I sign in, I go straight to the Links Thread to see if the news media has released anything. That way if nothing really much is happening I can try to break my addiction!

I know right? You start reading threads and postings and you are done-for. Make yourself comfortable! LOL.

abbie

[JLP]

If I were retired I might go, but I cherish my vacation time too much to spend it at a trial, no matter how interested I am in the case. I too hope very much it will be televised....AND on live stream. I can sometimes watch that at work. :thumbup:

I am with you 100%....

[IM4Truth]

As we all light our candles today for Caylee, let's all light one for Jomomma and her family too.
I posted a link to that page on the Prayers link.

[PuffDragon]

Her tantrum is hilarious. "Why won't anyone let me speak?" LMAO - well, sweetheart, if your lips are moving, you're lying.:lol:

*Bolding mine

When she said that I wanted somebody to answer: Because everything you say is useless and stupid and isn't worth listening to. And then they should have walked away.

[Danette44]

I think the thing about Hispanics was only stated by Casey to a friend (as near as I can recall). So we don't really know if it's the truth or not. And since "Casey lies"......probably not. IMO.

Never thought of that - but you're right.....good catch

[BJames]

Considering Jose Baez had not viewed that video before it was released, I wonder if he was wanting it out there from maybe what Casey had told him was on it? According to him he believed it would show something unbecoming regarding LE (the jail? the Sherrif's office?)...but how would he have known that if he hadn't seen it? He had to have been going by what Casey had told him...hence her sly little remark about 'knowing what to say about LE so that some visits aren't relased' (not verbatim)...he must have figured there was something on that recording to support his theory/claims.
I wonder if he ever says anything to Casey about her 'lying' to him? If she lead him to believe that there was evidence of unbecoming conduct on LE's part and instead it indeed shows how self centered, selfish, and easily angered she is to the public (and eventually jurors)...and how manipulative she is with her parents...and un-concerned about Caylee...I wonder if Jose would say anything to her about it? Or maybe he just panders to the little princess and tells her he is the only one on her side, and she should just follow his instructions?
It appears that Casey sees him as some great saviour in all of this...like he is 'sheltering' her from the 'truth'. God help him the day she turns on him...he's going to hit the burned pile. But would it matter really to Jose?
If Casey does have to be re-tried (bite my tongue), she will never have the defense that she does now...because legally she has given Baez the financial rights...and maybe more. 'Cuz seriously..that is the closest that Casey will ever be to 'getting out of this' (no matter what Jose has told her)...and if another trial takes place, and even with the financial charges looming...this gal isn't going to have any money left.

Sorry it's so long..I've been thinking about this since that video was released. I wonder if Jose takes Casey at face value...or if there is a pound of salt over both shoulders?

Just my opinion of course...

[read-in]

Speaking on Addiction, my hubby is starting to get upset with me, cause im always on the computer or watching NG.. Etc.. however,, he did watch GVS with me, so i wouldn't get back on my pc... i tell him everything that is going on, dont really know if he cares... but he really does try. He thinks casey is Guilty too...

[SavannahStar]

Speaking on Addiction, my hubby is starting to get upset with me, cause im always on the computer or watching NG.. Etc.. however,, he did watch GVS with me, so i wouldn't get back on my pc... i tell him everything that is going on, dont really know if he cares... but he really does try. He thinks casey is Guilty too...

I'm not sure there's too many in the public who DON'T think Casey is guilty! :biggrin:

Oh you should hear my son about this case....especially when NG is on. LOL!

[JLP]

good morning .

I respectfully disagree. IMO, this was a rage killing. she was raging against her mother who was on her back regarding the acceptance of her responsibilities with regard to raising Caylee.

she was sick of hearing it and more importantly, the 'babysitting assistance' for her nites out was wearing thin....she was running out of excuses to have Cindy watch Caylee. and she didnt have any 'free takers' to help her out. (she already lost one free babysitter: Lauren, going back awhile, who found out she didnt have a job .)

IMO, Cindy knew she was not employed and she was lying way before June 15th.

and it was escalating for some time.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Good Morning,

I agree this to be an "over time" rage killing for all the reasons you stated.

On another thread someone brought up the chance that Caylee herself could have said something to Grandpa and Grandma regarding what was happening to her. ( Drugged, put in trunk, left wherever with whomever...ect.)

When I was in high school, my 3 year old neice told my Mom something she had seen me do. I was grounded for about a month !!!

[read-in]

I'm not sure there's too many in the public who DON'T think Casey is guilty! :biggrin:

Oh you should hear my son about this case....especially when NG is on. LOL!

It's kind of getting to be a problem for me, seems i just cant stay away..I am soooo hooked.

[Abbie]

Speaking on Addiction, my hubby is starting to get upset with me, cause im always on the computer or watching NG.. Etc.. however,, he did watch GVS with me, so i wouldn't get back on my pc... i tell him everything that is going on, dont really know if he cares... but he really does try. He thinks casey is Guilty too...

My husb gave up long ago when he realized there will always be a high profile case I am following in the news and online....
My family (grown kids and my mom) didn't know how 'into' true crime and high profile cases I was until the past year or so. My mother has told me on several occasions that I am "sick". She means mentally. It ticks me off so much. If I am SICK, there are ALOT of other people just like me doing the same thing. Then occasionally she has the nerve to ask me whats new in whatever case she knows I am following. I tell her its too complicated to talk about.
My kids just see it as my hobby. None of the family understands why, when I follow a case for months and months or even years, and its the day the jury is coming back w/ the verdict, after watching the whole trial, etc, I will take off work and stay at home to watch it. Seems like a no-brainer to me. :unsure:

[Anakerie]

Considering Jose Baez had not viewed that video before it was released, I wonder if he was wanting it out there from maybe what Casey had told him was on it? According to him he believed it would show something unbecoming regarding LE (the jail? the Sherrif's office?)...but how would he have known that if he hadn't seen it? He had to have been going by what Casey had told him...hence her sly little remark about 'knowing what to say about LE so that some visits aren't relased' (not verbatim)...he must have figured there was something on that recording to support his theory/claims.

snipped for space

Just my opinion of course...
According to Geraldo and Conway last night, the alleged "misconduct" by LE was the fact that the visit took place at all. Supposedly Baez left "orders" that Casey wasn't supposed to have visitors at all while he was off in New York. Geraldo and Conway were saying that the misconduct by LE was that LE had "coerced" someone to allow George and Cindy in to visit Casey. It's all BS, as far as I'm concerned. The jailers can't prevent anyone who is on the prisoner's approved list from visiting and Casey herself accepted the visit. So perhaps Baez should be upset at his client for accepting the visit from her parents.

[read-in]

My husb gave up long ago when he realized there will always be a high profile case I am following in the news and online....
My family (grown kids and my mom) didn't know how 'into' true crime and high profile cases I was until the past year or so. My mother has told me on several occasions that I am "sick". She means mentally. It ticks me off so much. If I am SICK, there are ALOT of other people just like me doing the same thing. Then occasionally she has the nerve to ask me whats new in whatever case she knows I am following. I tell her its too complicated to talk about.
My kids just see it as my hobby. None of the family understands why, when I follow a case for months and months or even years, and its the day the jury is coming back w/ the verdict, after watching the whole trial, etc, I will take off work and stay at home to watch it. Seems like a no-brainer to me. :unsure:

Well abbie you are not alone; same story here. glad to know that there are others... I thought there was something wrong with me-- ha ha. thanks for sharing..

[101Spots]

It's kind of getting to be a problem for me, seems i just cant stay away..I am soooo hooked.

Buy and install a "doggie door." Invest in 6 months of TV dinners that the kids can fix themselves. Make a list of daily/weekly/monthly chores so hubby can fill in for you. Write several postcards to your parents that you can stick in the mail every so often. Stock up on the beverage(s) of your choice. Ditto snacks. "Quick Wipes" can replace showers if done discreetly and frequently. Position the TV where you can see it from the bathroom, and invest in a laptop for same. Barricade off an area in the house that is totally yours, and leave instructions that you are not to be disturbed under any circumstances short of a house fire. Use barbed wire if necessary - it is most important that you have total peace so you can focus. Position a bottle of aspirin or Tylenol within easy reach.

Finally, buckle your seatbelt. It's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

[daHawg]

According to Geraldo and Conway last night, the alleged "misconduct" by LE was the fact that the vist took place at all. Supposedly Baez left "orders" that Casey wasn't supposed to have visitors at all while he was off in New York. Geraldo and Conway were saying that the misconduct by LE was that LE had "coerced" someone to allow George and Cindy in to visit Casey. It's all BS, as far as I'm concerned. The jailers can't prevent anyone who is on the prisoner's approved list from visiting and Casey herself accepted the visit. So perhaps Baez should be upset at his client for accepting the visit from her parents.

Oh please! Baez needs to remember who works for who. He can only ADVISE his client he can't "order" her to do anything or leave "orders" for jail staff to carry out while he is gone on a media tour. He is too much. Thanks for that tidbit Anakerie I missed that. Good for a laugh this morning. :lol:

[PuffDragon]

That would be wonderful.
Too bad they do/will keep her isolated.
I think the isolation will be the true punishment for this party girl.

*Bolding mine

You are assuming that she was a party girl because she liked it. I'm not so sure.

I've been thinking about this and a few things are percolating to the top of my mind.
We are all pretty much in agreement that Casey was a user and a manipulator. She did most things for what she perceived as her survival.
Everything we know about her comes from the people involved with her, so that's the picture we put on her.
But what was she like when she didn't have to put on her act, when she wasn't trying to get something? Certainly she doesn't let anybody know anything about that Casey. Whoever she was inside, we have never seen that person.

The reason I'm looking at all this from a different angle is because i started thinking about what she was doing when she was presumably working. Nobody, absolutely nobody, has any idea where she was or what she was doing. Caylee was left with Casey's friends so she could 'go to work'. Then Casey was alone. We are all crazy trying to figure out where she was and nobody has come forward to say "Oh, she used to come over and we played Monopoly all afternoon," or "Lots of times we'd get together on my lunch break." No, not a single person has come out to say they had any contact with her during her not-but-supposedly working days.

Hiding out somewhere? Alone? In that vacant house, napping, on her cell phone, on the computer? Alone?
When she was out on bail, where did she spend her time? At Baez's office all day, and probably left pretty much alone, after all, Baez and his staff certainly had other work to do besides amusing her all day. And at home..... she went to her room. Alone.
Is this a person who seems to mind being alone? I think she's not only used to it, I think shes comfortable with it. No mask, no conniving, just alone with herself. Because she's the only person who knows who she really is.

All that gives credence to the idea that her isolation in jail may not be as onerous as we all think. She surely wasn't in any big rush to get out of her 'room' to go to that hearing, was she?

[Danette44]

Considering Jose Baez had not viewed that video before it was released, I wonder if he was wanting it out there from maybe what Casey had told him was on it? According to him he believed it would show something unbecoming regarding LE (the jail? the Sherrif's office?)...but how would he have known that if he hadn't seen it? He had to have been going by what Casey had told him...hence her sly little remark about 'knowing what to say about LE so that some visits aren't relased' (not verbatim)...he must have figured there was something on that recording to support his theory/claims.
I wonder if he ever says anything to Casey about her 'lying' to him? If she lead him to believe that there was evidence of unbecoming conduct on LE's part and instead it indeed shows how self centered, selfish, and easily angered she is to the public (and eventually jurors)...and how manipulative she is with her parents...and un-concerned about Caylee...I wonder if Jose would say anything to her about it? Or maybe he just panders to the little princess and tells her he is the only one on her side, and she should just follow his instructions?
It appears that Casey sees him as some great saviour in all of this...like he is 'sheltering' her from the 'truth'. God help him the day she turns on him...he's going to hit the burned pile. But would it matter really to Jose?
If Casey does have to be re-tried (bite my tongue), she will never have the defense that she does now...because legally she has given Baez the financial rights...and maybe more. 'Cuz seriously..that is the closest that Casey will ever be to 'getting out of this' (no matter what Jose has told her)...and if another trial takes place, and even with the financial charges looming...this gal isn't going to have any money left.

Sorry it's so long..I've been thinking about this since that video was released. I wonder if Jose takes Casey at face value...or if there is a pound of salt over both shoulders?

Just my opinion of course...

BJames - I don't think he believes her - but she is making a name for him - Good Post BTW

[JLP]

buy and install a "doggie door." invest in 6 months of tv dinners that the kids can fix themselves. Make a list of daily/weekly/monthly chores so hubby can fill in for you. Write several postcards to your parents that you can stick in the mail every so often. Stock up on the beverage(s) of your choice. Ditto snacks. "quick wipes" can replace showers if done discreetly and frequently. Position the tv where you can see it from the bathroom, and invest in a laptop for same. Barricade off an area in the house that is totally yours, and leave instructions that you are not to be disturbed under any circumstances short of a house fire. Use barbed wire if necessary - it is most important that you have total peace so you can focus. Position a bottle of aspirin or tylenol within easy reach.

Finally, buckle your seatbelt. It's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

this is priceless !!!

[read-in]

I was just thinking about the letter writting business; wondering if anyone know's, just who pays the postage for inmates??? stamps can really add up,
state?
county?
us postal serv.
family?
commisary?
was curious about that for sometime. Anyone know??

[daHawg]

I was just thinking about the letter writting business; wondering if anyone know's, just who pays the postage for inmates??? stamps can really add up,
state?
county?
us postal serv.
family?
commisary?
was curious about that for sometime. Anyone know??
She can buy them out of the commissary.


ETA: If an inmate is indigent and has $2 or less in their acct for I can't remember how long of a period of time they are provided with some postage free of charge.

[PuffDragon]

Since Casey hates jail she'll hate prison even more. I do believe she would use the scissors on herself if she had the chance. Sure would save the State a pile of money, though.

Why are you so sure she hates jail?

[SavannahStar]

My husb gave up long ago when he realized there will always be a high profile case I am following in the news and online....
My family (grown kids and my mom) didn't know how 'into' true crime and high profile cases I was until the past year or so. My mother has told me on several occasions that I am "sick". She means mentally. It ticks me off so much. If I am SICK, there are ALOT of other people just like me doing the same thing. Then occasionally she has the nerve to ask me whats new in whatever case she knows I am following. I tell her its too complicated to talk about.
My kids just see it as my hobby. None of the family understands why, when I follow a case for months and months or even years, and its the day the jury is coming back w/ the verdict, after watching the whole trial, etc, I will take off work and stay at home to watch it. Seems like a no-brainer to me. :unsure:

One of my friends is like that.....thinks it's "sick" and is NEVER interested in any crime cases in the news.

To me, it's all fascinating. And interesting that those of us who are into this type of thing, find some cases interesting and others not so much. (I never got into the Melanie McGuire case, or the Phil Spector case, etc., some I find interesting but others I don't.)

My mother (who died in 2007) read true crime books all her life. We did share that interest; she certainly understood. She was also interested in recent cases in the news, to a degree, though towards the end of her life she mostly just enjoyed watching Judge Judy. :smile:

[JLP]

*Bolding mine

You are assuming that she was a party girl because she liked it. I'm not so sure.

I've been thinking about this and a few things are percolating to the top of my mind.
We are all pretty much in agreement that Casey was a user and a manipulator. She did most things for what she perceived as her survival.
Everything we know about her comes from the people involved with her, so that's the picture we put on her.
But what was she like when she didn't have to put on her act, when she wasn't trying to get something? Certainly she doesn't let anybody know anything about that Casey. Whoever she was inside, we have never seen that person.

The reason I'm looking at all this from a different angle is because i started thinking about what she was doing when she was presumably working. Nobody, absolutely nobody, has any idea where she was or what she was doing. Caylee was left with Casey's friends so she could 'go to work'. Then Casey was alone. We are all crazy trying to figure out where she was and nobody has come forward to say "Oh, she used to come over and we played Monopoly all afternoon," or "Lots of times we'd get together on my lunch break." No, not a single person has come out to say they had any contact with her during her not-but-supposedly working days.

Hiding out somewhere? Alone? In that vacant house, napping, on her cell phone, on the computer? Alone?
When she was out on bail, where did she spend her time? At Baez's office all day, and probably left pretty much alone, after all, Baez and his staff certainly had other work to do besides amusing her all day. And at home..... she went to her room. Alone.
Is this a person who seems to mind being alone? I think she's not only used to it, I think shes comfortable with it. No mask, no conniving, just alone with herself. Because she's the only person who knows who she really is.

All that gives credence to the idea that her isolation in jail may not be as onerous as we all think. She surely wasn't in any big rush to get out of her 'room' to go to that hearing, was she?

I see where you are coming from.
it is odd that no one has come forward saying that Casey use to hang at their house during the day.
I too have wondered just where in the world she was all that time.
I wonder if Caylee ever was questioned about the so called babysitter.

[read-in]

Buy and install a "doggie door." Invest in 6 months of TV dinners that the kids can fix themselves. Make a list of daily/weekly/monthly chores so hubby can fill in for you. Write several postcards to your parents that you can stick in the mail every so often. Stock up on the beverage(s) of your choice. Ditto snacks. "Quick Wipes" can replace showers if done discreetly and frequently. Position the TV where you can see it from the bathroom, and invest in a laptop for same. Barricade off an area in the house that is totally yours, and leave instructions that you are not to be disturbed under any circumstances short of a house fire. Use barbed wire if necessary - it is most important that you have total peace so you can focus. Position a bottle of aspirin or Tylenol within easy reach.

Finally, buckle your seatbelt. It's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

I LOVE IT!!! sounds good to me!!!

[bluwaters]

*Bolding mine

You are assuming that she was a party girl because she liked it. I'm not so sure.

I've been thinking about this and a few things are percolating to the top of my mind.
We are all pretty much in agreement that Casey was a user and a manipulator. She did most things for what she perceived as her survival.
Everything we know about her comes from the people involved with her, so that's the picture we put on her.
But what was she like when she didn't have to put on her act, when she wasn't trying to get something? Certainly she doesn't let anybody know anything about that Casey. Whoever she was inside, we have never seen that person.

The reason I'm looking at all this from a different angle is because i started thinking about what she was doing when she was presumably working. Nobody, absolutely nobody, has any idea where she was or what she was doing. Caylee was left with Casey's friends so she could 'go to work'. Then Casey was alone. We are all crazy trying to figure out where she was and nobody has come forward to say "Oh, she used to come over and we played Monopoly all afternoon," or "Lots of times we'd get together on my lunch break." No, not a single person has come out to say they had any contact with her during her not-but-supposedly working days.

Hiding out somewhere? Alone? In that vacant house, napping, on her cell phone, on the computer? Alone?
When she was out on bail, where did she spend her time? At Baez's office all day, and probably left pretty much alone, after all, Baez and his staff certainly had other work to do besides amusing her all day. And at home..... she went to her room. Alone.
Is this a person who seems to mind being alone? I think she's not only used to it, I think shes comfortable with it. No mask, no conniving, just alone with herself. Because she's the only person who knows who she really is.

All that gives credence to the idea that her isolation in jail may not be as onerous as we all think. She surely wasn't in any big rush to get out of her 'room' to go to that hearing, was she?
Wow PD! Very perceptive post. Thank you for this thought provoking insight. :cool:

[SavannahStar]

*Bolding mine

You are assuming that she was a party girl because she liked it. I'm not so sure.

I've been thinking about this and a few things are percolating to the top of my mind.
We are all pretty much in agreement that Casey was a user and a manipulator. She did most things for what she perceived as her survival.
Everything we know about her comes from the people involved with her, so that's the picture we put on her.
But what was she like when she didn't have to put on her act, when she wasn't trying to get something? Certainly she doesn't let anybody know anything about that Casey. Whoever she was inside, we have never seen that person.

The reason I'm looking at all this from a different angle is because i started thinking about what she was doing when she was presumably working. Nobody, absolutely nobody, has any idea where she was or what she was doing. Caylee was left with Casey's friends so she could 'go to work'. Then Casey was alone. We are all crazy trying to figure out where she was and nobody has come forward to say "Oh, she used to come over and we played Monopoly all afternoon," or "Lots of times we'd get together on my lunch break." No, not a single person has come out to say they had any contact with her during her not-but-supposedly working days.

Hiding out somewhere? Alone? In that vacant house, napping, on her cell phone, on the computer? Alone?
When she was out on bail, where did she spend her time? At Baez's office all day, and probably left pretty much alone, after all, Baez and his staff certainly had other work to do besides amusing her all day. And at home..... she went to her room. Alone.
Is this a person who seems to mind being alone? I think she's not only used to it, I think shes comfortable with it. No mask, no conniving, just alone with herself. Because she's the only person who knows who she really is.

All that gives credence to the idea that her isolation in jail may not be as onerous as we all think. She surely wasn't in any big rush to get out of her 'room' to go to that hearing, was she?

VERY, VERY interesting post, Puff. (bolding mine)

[PuffDragon]

I am in complete agreement with you. To me, Casey only began to throw a fit, but quickly put a lid on it. All we saw, IMO, was a glimmer of what a Casey fit looks like when it starts.
I think she remained on high simmer, lid on, for the rest of that session.

I agree too. It surely showed how strong her self control is when she needs it to be.

[?noanswer]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???

The only time they have released information is when JB went to court and asked for it. Can one imagine what a hissy fit he would have thrown, had it not been released? Also, even if there was no sunshine law involved, I understand that each side has to turn their info over to the other side. Guess the difference there is the fact that it does not have to be released to the public. I really don't know if JB can make a case out of this or not. JMO

[Neffy]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???


LOL. JB was the one who didn't want a gag order pertaining to anything being held back on this case. He can't have it both ways.

The State has NOT released everything it has for two reasons.

Some they don't have back from other agency's involved. Others were kept because of the ongoing investigation.

I have no reason to doubt JB will also get his COV.

It will be a poor argument should he go that route. I don't think so as it would lead back to him.

[PuffDragon]

She thinks way too highly of herself to do that, IMO. I am sure she will not hate prison as much, she will be able to 'settle in'. I really do wonder about her life expectancy should she be put in GenPop. However if she is in PC all the time, she will love laying back, having library privileges, eating pop-tarts in her tube socks, conditioning her hair, enjoying canned seafood. I also have no doubt she will spend a great deal of time trying to manipulate the officers. Just because she 'thinks' she 'can'.

*Bolding mine

Or to keep in practice.

I totally agree, it's what I've been saying all along. What's to dislike?

[Abbie]

Buy and install a "doggie door." Invest in 6 months of TV dinners that the kids can fix themselves. Make a list of daily/weekly/monthly chores so hubby can fill in for you. Write several postcards to your parents that you can stick in the mail every so often. Stock up on the beverage(s) of your choice. Ditto snacks. "Quick Wipes" can replace showers if done discreetly and frequently. Position the TV where you can see it from the bathroom, and invest in a laptop for same. Barricade off an area in the house that is totally yours, and leave instructions that you are not to be disturbed under any circumstances short of a house fire. Use barbed wire if necessary - it is most important that you have total peace so you can focus. Position a bottle of aspirin or Tylenol within easy reach.

Finally, buckle your seatbelt. It's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

LOL. I agree with all of that.
I am lucky, my kids are grown and my husband and I live alone. He has his head up a motors butt most of the time in the garage so I can go largely *undetected*. My mom used to call at 8pm a lot, she KNOWS I am watching NG. I mean, seriously!!! Now I just don't answer the phone.
Both hub and I eat meals on our own schedules. Once in awhile another poster will write about what they are making for dinner, and I get to feeling guilty and go to the groc store and get provisions and make a meal. LOL but not very often.
Its a 'given' that in my home office the TV will almost always be on HLN, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, NG, etc. Nobody comes in here to hang out and asks to have the channel changed. HAHA. Guess someone tried it once and I gave them the 'what for' and just don't remember doing it.
Nobody better ask me to turn it off, either.
Sometimes I get really absorbed, esp during a 3 day weekend, and have been known to not emerge from my office except to use the bathroom and get something to take back to my office and eat.
So if anyone else does the same, welcome to the Not Crazy Club.

abbie

[PuffDragon]

I think the thing about Hispanics was only stated by Casey to a friend (as near as I can recall). So we don't really know if it's the truth or not. And since "Casey lies"......probably not. IMO.

I think so too SS. Another way of keeping her friends away from her parents.

[Neffy]

Why are you so sure she hates jail?

Because the only "control" she has is ordering from the commissary and accepting or denying visits' and phone calls.

Baez has overrulled her (pardon me) ADVISED her to deny all of the latter.

So that leaves her with control over her commissary orders.

Should the money run out that's gone also.

[read-in]

LOL. I agree with all of that.
I am lucky, my kids are grown and my husband and I live alone. He has his head up a motors butt most of the time in the garage so I can go largely *undetected*. My mom used to call at 8pm a lot, she KNOWS I am watching NG. I mean, seriously!!! Now I just don't answer the phone.
Both hub and I eat meals on our own schedules. Once in awhile another poster will write about what they are making for dinner, and I get to feeling guilty and go to the groc store and get provisions and make a meal. LOL but not very often.
Its a 'given' that in my home office the TV will almost always be on HLN, FOX, MSNBC, CNN, NG, etc. Nobody comes in here to hang out and asks to have the channel changed. HAHA. Guess someone tried it once and I gave them the 'what for' and just don't remember doing it.
Nobody better ask me to turn it off, either.
Sometimes I get really absorbed, esp during a 3 day weekend, and have been known to not emerge from my office except to use the bathroom and get something to take back to my office and eat.
So if anyone else does the same, welcome to the Not Crazy Club.

abbie

HAA HAA, abby, you are trully a kindred spirit!! you really made my morning.:wub:

[Pruddennce]

Had Baez seen this video before it was released?
It is interesting that this particular video, 8/14, was not released with the others, and the reason given is that it was "lost" in the shuffle somehow. It is by far the most damaging video of Casey that has been seen to date.
Was Baez "set up" to request it, thereby ensuring that it would receive lots of scrutiny when it was finally released?
If Baez had seen it, I can't imagine that he would request it's release.
Casey herself states in the video that if it gets out the media will have a field day with it!
and believing that if she uttered derogatory comments about LE and their investigation "they" wouldnt want the public to hear that.

"Im so smart' psychopathic thinking, IMO.

yes, you bring up a good point, did Baez watch this video in its entirety....?

I tend to think he doesnt think things thru....similar to his client.

as evidenced by his courtroom appearances to date.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[dixielover]

LOL but she would pick and choose the Scriptures to suit her need to manipulate.

I can't imagine the prison system wasting resources on lifers either, but here in the prison system, they are allowed to entertain us in the Rodeo contests and such. They can work in the fields to support the prison food system.

I know this is a stupid comment but I often wonder about all those prisioners that are in for violent crime why don't they outsource them to
the military and let them go over to Iraq and kick some B--t. They could get time off for servicing or they might not come back.

In AZ and TN most prisioners work at something- but I wouldln't want KC cutting my hair or making my food. I do think that she will probably do alright in prison. Hey we saw her dancing with those girls at Fusion. She just might get along just fine. jmo

[kitty1182]

GM eveybody...

[PuffDragon]

BJames - I don't think he believes her - but she is making a name for him - Good Post BTW

I don't know if that's a good thing when the name she is making for him is "Mud".

[Regina.Lampert]

IMO: because Baez gave more weight to Casey's alleged 'frustration and tears' than the fact that she did not want to continue to 'provide her parents with additional information to assist in the investigation'....

he overlooked one glaring presentation of herself in that visit: she was hostile and full of rage in between her "I love you's'...bulging eyes and thrusting her fist and threatening to leave the visit simply because her parents are asking additional questions....he perceived that as a 'good thing'?

Baez now knows he cannot keep a lid on her and that is why there have been no more visits.

Baez has a strange view of what is damaging to his client/case and what isnt.

the old saying: be careful what you wish for. its incredulous to think he would view this visit as presenting her in a sympathetic light.

one other instance: while the GJ is deliberating he is 'presenting a tearful Casey' who says not one word to the public....if he was smart, he would have done that long ago, with Casey pleading for her child PERSONALLY...that didnt happen....she hid out in his office.....

bulb...dim...IMO

IMO

best regards,
Pru


I'm thinking that there may be more to this puzzlement of casey anthony herself not asking the public to look for Caylee and that is that thru the negotiations for "immunity" it may already be known to LE that she knew where Caylee was. It may be that legally baez could not have her do that. Interesting question, let's unleash our lawyers................ :biggrin:

[SavannahStar]

GM eveybody...

Good morning kitty!!! :biggrin: A beautiful Sunday morning it is here in Tampa Bay......very cool but the sun is bright. I am so lucky that I have tomorrow and Tuesday off for vacation days. I will be glued to the TV for inauguration coverage. :thumbsup:

Back on topic, did you watch Geraldo last night? What's your take on Conway mentioning Kronk?

[desmom]

*Bolding mine

You are assuming that she was a party girl because she liked it. I'm not so sure.

--snipped--

The reason I'm looking at all this from a different angle is because i started thinking about what she was doing when she was presumably working. Nobody, absolutely nobody, has any idea where she was or what she was doing. Caylee was left with Casey's friends so she could 'go to work'. Then Casey was alone. We are all crazy trying to figure out where she was and nobody has come forward to say "Oh, she used to come over and we played Monopoly all afternoon," or "Lots of times we'd get together on my lunch break." No, not a single person has come out to say they had any contact with her during her not-but-supposedly working days.

--snipped--

All that gives credence to the idea that her isolation in jail may not be as onerous as we all think. She surely wasn't in any big rush to get out of her 'room' to go to that hearing, was she?

If you believe George's story about seeing Casey and Caylee leave the house on June 16 and it was just a normal day, then Casey only had to disappear for a couple of hours. If Casey normally left for work around 1:00 and George left for work around 2:30, Casey could have returned to the house. Cindy said she called Casey every night while driving home from work. Casey could have loaded up Caylee went out for a drive, shopping, Blanchard Park etc. and returned home "exhausted' from a long day at work. jmo

[BJames]

Thanks for sharing PuffDragon, I have also wondered where Casey was and what she was doing with her time.
With 'average' people we do what 'works' for us, in our relationships, lifestyle choices...etc. It has appeared to me that Casey may very well have done what she needed to do...to get to where she wanted to be...but she really didn't have anyone to model her behaviour after.
I found a couple of things very interesting (and sad) when looking at her relationship dynamics...it sure didn't seem like there were many (or any?) young children Caylee's age in her life, that is very sad for a two year old. Nor did Casey appear to have any friends that were single moms...anyone that could relate to her on that level..again, no one to model behaviour from.
Even from her words in that last released visit...she is definite that nobody 'understands' how she feels. She believes that she has the 'ability' to put herself in everyone else's position and understand where 'they are coming from'...but she doesn't believe that anyone knows what is going on for her.
It is interesting in the fact that she has removed herself from the 'average' person feeling loss...it's like she is living in a movie or something. Sitting alone in a cell may even give her some comfort...she doesn't feel 'connected' to anyone.

Just my opinion of course..

[CelticDawn]

I know this is a stupid comment but I often wonder about all those prisioners that are in for violent crime why don't they outsource them to
the military and let them go over to Iraq and kick some B--t. They could get time off for servicing or they might not come back.

In AZ and TN most prisioners work at something- but I wouldln't want KC cutting my hair or making my food. I do think that she will probably do alright in prison. Hey we saw her dancing with those girls at Fusion. She just might get along just fine. jmo


sending them to the military sounds like a good idea,...but by definition violent felons are a security risk....and I would think they would go to the highest bidder....as in they would take compensation to become traitors as easily as they would serve their country....if not more easily.

I know though that If <God forbid> I was ever in prison I would want to do something useful...even the lowest types of people IMO would want to feel needed by someone somewhere....

[daHawg]

I have a question that I hope our legal types can answer.

A very smart poster that I post with elsewhere (Grins) is very worried about the Sunshine Law and it's use in this case. He feels that JB will be able to make a case that it has been prejudicial to his client since there is an exemption to it and it is not being used.

The Sunshine Law does not require the release of all the case investigation material and on the contrary, the Sunshine Law makes "active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information ... exempt!

"Sunshine Statute
exempt
Agency Investigations

119.071 General exemptions from inspection or copying of public records.--
...
2.
...
"c)1. Active criminal intelligence information and active criminal investigative information are exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution."

http://tinyurl.com/7u4tek

Anybody???Bolding by me....Ok I went and read the whole thing and I found the exemptions. If I am reading it and understanding correctly it is mostly the protection of releasing victims info and sensitive pictures and financial info of victims and also minors info etc.
These are the exemptions. Please snip if addressing this post as it is really long. TIA This can be found approx 1/3 of the way down the page.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0119/ch0119.htm

2. When the alleged victim chooses not to file a complaint and requests that records of the complaint remain confidential, all records relating to an allegation of employment discrimination are confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution.


3. This paragraph is subject to the Open Government Sunset Review Act in accordance with s. 119.15 and shall stand repealed on October 2, 2013, unless reviewed and saved from repeal through reenactment by the Legislature.

(h)1. The following criminal intelligence information or criminal investigative information is confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution:

a. Any information, including the photograph, name, address, or other fact, which reveals the identity of the victim of the crime of child abuse as defined by chapter 827.

b. Any information which may reveal the identity of a person who is a victim of any sexual offense, including a sexual offense proscribed in chapter 794, chapter 796, chapter 800, chapter 827, or chapter 847.

c. A photograph, videotape, or image of any part of the body of the victim of a sexual offense prohibited under chapter 794, chapter 796, chapter 800, chapter 827, or chapter 847, regardless of whether the photograph, videotape, or image identifies the victim.

2. Criminal investigative information and criminal intelligence information made confidential and exempt under this paragraph may be disclosed by a law enforcement agency:

a. In the furtherance of its official duties and responsibilities.

b. For print, publication, or broadcast if the law enforcement agency determines that such release would assist in locating or identifying a person that such agency believes to be missing or endangered. The information provided should be limited to that needed to identify or locate the victim and not include the sexual nature of the offense committed against the person.

c. To another governmental agency in the furtherance of its official duties and responsibilities.

3. This exemption applies to such confidential and exempt criminal intelligence information or criminal investigative information held by a law enforcement agency before, on, or after the effective date of the exemption.

4. This paragraph is subject to the Open Government Sunset Review Act in accordance with s. 119.15, and shall stand repealed on October 2, 2013, unless reviewed and saved from repeal through reenactment by the Legislature.

(i) Any criminal intelligence information or criminal investigative information that reveals the personal assets of the victim of a crime, other than property stolen or destroyed during the commission of the crime, is exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution.

(j)1. Any document that reveals the identity, home or employment telephone number, home or employment address, or personal assets of the victim of a crime and identifies that person as the victim of a crime, which document is received by any agency that regularly receives information from or concerning the victims of crime, is exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. Any information not otherwise held confidential or exempt from s. 119.07(1) which reveals the home or employment telephone number, home or employment address, or personal assets of a person who has been the victim of sexual battery, aggravated child abuse, aggravated stalking, harassment, aggravated battery, or domestic violence is exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution, upon written request by the victim, which must include official verification that an applicable crime has occurred. Such information shall cease to be exempt 5 years after the receipt of the written request. Any state or federal agency that is authorized to have access to such documents by any provision of law shall be granted such access in the furtherance of such agency's statutory duties, notwithstanding this section.

2.a. Any information in a videotaped statement of a minor who is alleged to be or who is a victim of sexual battery, lewd acts, or other sexual misconduct proscribed in chapter 800 or in s. 794.011, s. 827.071, s. 847.012, s. 847.0125, s. 847.013, s. 847.0133, or s. 847.0145, which reveals that minor's identity, including, but not limited to, the minor's face; the minor's home, school, church, or employment telephone number; the minor's home, school, church, or employment address; the name of the minor's school, church, or place of employment; or the personal assets of the minor; and which identifies that minor as the victim of a crime described in this subparagraph, held by a law enforcement agency, is confidential and exempt from s. 119.07(1) and s. 24(a), Art. I of the State Constitution. Any governmental agency that is authorized to have access to such statements by any provision of law shall be granted such access in the furtherance of the agency's statutory duties, notwithstanding the provisions of this section.

b. A public employee or officer who has access to a videotaped statement of a minor who is alleged to be or who is a victim of sexual battery, lewd acts, or other sexual misconduct proscribed in chapter 800 or in s. 794.011, s. 827.071, s. 847.012, s. 847.0125, s. 847.013, s. 847.0133, or s. 847.0145 may not willfully and knowingly disclose videotaped information that reveals the minor's identity to a person who is not assisting in the investigation or prosecution of the alleged offense or to any person other than the defendant, the defendant's attorney, or a person specified in an order entered by the court having jurisdiction of the alleged offense. A person who violates this provision commits a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.

[kitty1182]

Good morning kitty!!! :biggrin: A beautiful Sunday morning it is here in Tampa Bay......very cool but the sun is bright. I am so lucky that I have tomorrow and Tuesday off for vacation days. I will be glued to the TV for inauguration coverage. :thumbsup:

Back on topic, did you watch Geraldo last night? What's your take on Conway mentioning Kronk?



I didn't get to see it last night....Maybe I will find it in the links after while and watch.

(yes, looking forward to Tuesday):patriot:

[Abbie]

I know this is a stupid comment but I often wonder about all those prisioners that are in for violent crime why don't they outsource them to
the military and let them go over to Iraq and kick some B--t. They could get time off for servicing or they might not come back.

In AZ and TN most prisioners work at something- but I wouldln't want KC cutting my hair or making my food. I do think that she will probably do alright in prison. Hey we saw her dancing with those girls at Fusion. She just might get along just fine. jmo

I dunno about military service, they presumably aren't peeps that enjoy following rules or orders so don't think they would make very good soldiers.
But goodness, can't they do things like stamp out gaskets for auto parts companies? Heck, give them kindergarten safety scissors and let them CUT out the gaskets. They have nothing better to do. LOL.
I only mention gaskets because hubby was just in here waving a gasket at me and trying to engage me in a conversation about the engine he is working on. I WILL NOT BE SUCKED IN!!!! I just gave him a blank stare and he left.

:ohmy:

abbie

[dixielover]

Have we seen anything from the FBI yet?

[PuffDragon]

Because the only "control" she has is ordering from the commissary and accepting or denying visits' and phone calls.

Baez has overrulled her (pardon me) ADVISED her to deny all of the latter.

So that leaves her with control over her commissary orders.

Should the money run out that's gone also.

Nuh uh. That's why you would hate jail.

[Regina.Lampert]

Buy and install a "doggie door." Invest in 6 months of TV dinners that the kids can fix themselves. Make a list of daily/weekly/monthly chores so hubby can fill in for you. Write several postcards to your parents that you can stick in the mail every so often. Stock up on the beverage(s) of your choice. Ditto snacks. "Quick Wipes" can replace showers if done discreetly and frequently. Position the TV where you can see it from the bathroom, and invest in a laptop for same. Barricade off an area in the house that is totally yours, and leave instructions that you are not to be disturbed under any circumstances short of a house fire. Use barbed wire if necessary - it is most important that you have total peace so you can focus. Position a bottle of aspirin or Tylenol within easy reach.

Finally, buckle your seatbelt. It's going to be a long, bumpy ride.

Magnificent!! :lol:

[Neffy]

Nuh uh. That's why you would hate jail.

I thought I was responding to someone asking why she would hate jail :confused:

editing:

Scrolled back to make sure I didn't miss read. LOL

Originally Posted by PuffDragon
Why are you so sure she hates jail?

[101Spots]

I know this is a stupid comment but I often wonder about all those prisioners that are in for violent crime why don't they outsource them to
the military and let them go over to Iraq and kick some B--t. They could get time off for servicing or they might not come back.
<snipped>

Not a stupid comment at all. I was personally leaning towards making them organ donors, but I'll settle for the military.

[PuffDragon]

If you believe George's story about seeing Casey and Caylee leave the house on June 16 and it was just a normal day, then Casey only had to disappear for a couple of hours. If Casey normally left for work around 1:00 and George left for work around 2:30, Casey could have returned to the house. Cindy said she called Casey every night while driving home from work. Casey could have loaded up Caylee went out for a drive, shopping, Blanchard Park etc. and returned home "exhausted' from a long day at work. jmo

*Bolding mine

Simply stated, no I don't. I never believed it.

[Neffy]

Ok reread it. I did answer your first post and your second post I see why your responding why I personally would hate it.

I'd hate it regardless.

IMO those are Casey's reason for hating jail.

[Pruddennce]

I'm thinking that there may be more to this puzzlement of casey anthony herself not asking the public to look for Caylee and that is that thru the negotiations for "immunity" it may already be known to LE that she knew where Caylee was. It may be that legally baez could not have her do that. Interesting question, let's unleash our lawyers................ :biggrin:

thank you RL, you jogged my memory about the 'limited immunity' deal if she provided statements that would lead to Caylee.

although that deal ran out by that time, Baez, in his limited wisdom, stuck to the 'script', possibly.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[read-in]

Last night we went to my DIL's birthday dinner, proably 6 or more toddlers... so sweet, so honest, all so precious...made me think of caylee; My thoughts were, at some point we may all learn how and when... but it is the WHY???? WHY?????
I will never understand, such a beautiful little baby... no matter the reason, I will never understand why...:sad:

[PuffDragon]

Thanks for sharing PuffDragon, I have also wondered where Casey was and what she was doing with her time.
With 'average' people we do what 'works' for us, in our relationships, lifestyle choices...etc. It has appeared to me that Casey may very well have done what she needed to do...to get to where she wanted to be...but she really didn't have anyone to model her behaviour after.
I found a couple of things very interesting (and sad) when looking at her relationship dynamics...it sure didn't seem like there were many (or any?) young children Caylee's age in her life, that is very sad for a two year old. Nor did Casey appear to have any friends that were single moms...anyone that could relate to her on that level..again, no one to model behaviour from.
Even from her words in that last released visit...she is definite that nobody 'understands' how she feels. She believes that she has the 'ability' to put herself in everyone else's position and understand where 'they are coming from'...but she doesn't believe that anyone knows what is going on for her.
It is interesting in the fact that she has removed herself from the 'average' person feeling loss...it's like she is living in a movie or something. Sitting alone in a cell may even give her some comfort...she doesn't feel 'connected' to anyone.

Just my opinion of course..

Yep. Good points. And I think she doesn't feel connected to anyone because she doesn't want anyone to be connected to her.

[PuffDragon]

I dunno about military service, they presumably aren't peeps that enjoy following rules or orders so don't think they would make very good soldiers.
But goodness, can't they do things like stamp out gaskets for auto parts companies? Heck, give them kindergarten safety scissors and let them CUT out the gaskets. They have nothing better to do. LOL.
I only mention gaskets because hubby was just in here waving a gasket at me and trying to engage me in a conversation about the engine he is working on. I WILL NOT BE SUCKED IN!!!! I just gave him a blank stare and he left.

:ohmy:

abbie

:thumbsup: gaskets, hee hee.

[SavannahStar]

:thumbsup: gaskets, hee hee.

That was definitely funny!!!! :lol:

O/T but WHY OH WHY do the smilies keep changing places (not only on this board but others)......I HATE that! :cursing:

[Neffy]

I was not interested in her until the morning that the story broke down here about 9:33 a.m.- she was at the house by 9:45 a.m. and although we know that she was taking care of the dogs while the A's were out of town- it made me wonder.

Now it begs the question- immediately the LE were at the A's home that morning, it was public knowledge that the A's were out of town at this time and the LE did not at this minute have the paperwork to declare this a "crime scene" -
makes me think that there was something laying right out in the open that they knew these remains were linked to that house. Was it just by chance that Mallory happened to come to the house at that moment or was she sent there? She ARRIVED minutes after the story broke, she was not at the house first. IMOO- would have to know the minute that Kronk called 911 to the time that it came across in Orlando. Anyone have that right off hand?


That's minutes after the story broke to US she arrived. The Anthony's were told about it before the boarded that plane so the Anthony family did have knowledge before Mallory got there.

[tarabull1]

Let's hope Casey never gets out. Who would trust her with a pair of scissors? :scared:

I doubt she'll want to learn anything. She's too lazy. A job? She doesn't know what that is. :thumbdown: She'll read her bible and eat snacks all day or listen to the radio. Oh....and she'll get all those nice letters of people supporting her. That'll keep her busy.:unsure:

ETA: This reminded me of Karla Homolka when she was released where I live. The panic was unbearable. She could've been my neighbour and not know it. <shudder>

Lets not forget Karla was also able to go on and HAVE A BABY!!!

The idea of Casey being allowed to have another child makes my stomach churn.

I know I'm not alone.

[desmom]

*Bolding mine

Simply stated, no I don't. I never believed it.

I do not believe George's story either. Re: what Casey did during the day.....If Casey leaving for "work" around 1:00 p.m. was her "normal day", then she would only have to leave the house until George left for work. jmo

[Mimi428]

According to Geraldo and Conway last night, the alleged "misconduct" by LE was the fact that the visit took place at all. Supposedly Baez left "orders" that Casey wasn't supposed to have visitors at all while he was off in New York. Geraldo and Conway were saying that the misconduct by LE was that LE had "coerced" someone to allow George and Cindy in to visit Casey. It's all BS, as far as I'm concerned. The jailers can't prevent anyone who is on the prisoner's approved list from visiting and Casey herself accepted the visit. So perhaps Baez should be upset at his client for accepting the visit from her parents.

Thanks for that info. I think it demonstrates how gullible Baez thinks the general public is - that a significant percentage of folks would not know that if Casey (or anyone else in jail) doesn't want a visitor, all they have to do is refuse the visit.

I can appreciate on some level why Baez has the opinion that he can say whatever he wants & a portion of folks will just accept it at face value. His malarkey about how Casey had to be sedated is a perfect example. That BS story is believed by many, without a single thing ever having been shown to prove it - & despite commentary from people who have worked in corrections & who can verify that the inmates don't get to order up drugs - especially of the tranquilizing or sedating sort - at their will.

JMO

[PuffDragon]

I thought I was responding to someone asking why she would hate jail :confused:

editing:

Scrolled back to make sure I didn't miss read. LOL

Originally Posted by PuffDragon
Why are you so sure she hates jail?

Yup. That's what I meant.
If you see confinement through your own eyes then you would have your own reasons for hating it. The food, maybe. Or being alone with yourself. Or the clothes. Whatever.
If you try to look at it through someone else's eyes the answers might be different.
The original statement was that "Since Casey hates jail..."
and I simply said, "How do you know that she does?"

The answer didn't necessarily reflect Casey's reasons.

[CelticDawn]

thank you RL, you jogged my memory about the 'limited immunity' deal if she provided statements that would lead to Caylee.

although that deal ran out by that time, Baez, in his limited wisdom, stuck to the 'script', possibly.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

If baez changes course ....when this gets to trial....will the prtosecution have enough independent evidence to use that change of course to impeach any defense testimony that supports their current course???.....what I am saying...<or trying to ask> is Wouldn't changing defense strategy be a dangerous move on Baezs part because the prosecution could use that agqinst casey?

[PuffDragon]

That was definitely funny!!!! :lol:

O/T but WHY OH WHY do the smilies keep changing places (not only on this board but others)......I HATE that! :cursing:

Oh I know, I hate that too. :crying: Cut it out you smilies!!!

[martha]

I just saw this movie yesterday about a little 3 year old girl who goes missing. Her mom is a big party girl, no job, drinking, doing drugs, dragging this kid around with her to score her drugs, leaving her with strangers so she can go out and party, pretty much how I envision Caylee's life with Casey this past year or so. Anyway, the entire movie runs parallel to this case- even with the Aunt and Uncle being the only two relatives this kid has that care about her but don't realize the gravity of the situation this kid is in, and the same exact family dynamics with them making excuses for the mother, the same dynamics as what went on in Caylee's homelife. Anyway, long story short, and I won't reveal any more of this film, but it left me with the definite feelings that sometimes divine intervention intercedes and some kids are just better off not being with their families. It may look like a tragedy but in a certain way, it is a helpless kid being rescued out of a lifetime of misery. I try to remember that when I think about the outcome of this case and I know in my heart that she is in a much better place and that no one can hurt her anymore. And that's what gives me some peace about this whole thing. ITA with you. everything happens for a reason and we may not understand the reason but God does.I have seen things happen and wonder why then after thinking about it for a long time I can understand why.Then I understand it was for the best.jmho

[neid_77]

i found this just wanted to share this with some of you

http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/dear-cindy-anthony/

THIS ASK'S IF CINDY REMEMBER'S CAYLEE

[SavannahStar]

Yup. That's what I meant.
If you see confinement through your own eyes then you would have your own reasons for hating it. The food, maybe. Or being alone with yourself. Or the clothes. Whatever.
If you try to look at it through someone else's eyes the answers might be different.
The original statement was that "Since Casey hates jail..."
and I simply said, "How do you know that she does?"

The answer didn't necessarily reflect Casey's reasons.

I hear ya, Puff.

[Neffy]

Yup. That's what I meant.
If you see confinement through your own eyes then you would have your own reasons for hating it. The food, maybe. Or being alone with yourself. Or the clothes. Whatever.
If you try to look at it through someone else's eyes the answers might be different.
The original statement was that "Since Casey hates jail..."
and I simply said, "How do you know that she does?"

The answer didn't necessarily reflect Casey's reasons.

Of course anyone's answer to this is IMO only.

But I rethought it again. Before the remains were found she HATED not knowing what was in the news and if LE or anyone for that matter were close to find Caylee. Where were searches being done etc.

How close was she to getting caught? That is one of the causes of her jail visit meltdown.

[Abbie]

Good morning kitty!!! :biggrin: A beautiful Sunday morning it is here in Tampa Bay......very cool but the sun is bright. I am so lucky that I have tomorrow and Tuesday off for vacation days. I will be glued to the TV for inauguration coverage. :thumbsup:

Back on topic, did you watch Geraldo last night? What's your take on Conway mentioning Kronk?

I am in Maryland, SS, nothing beautiful here, cold cold gray day.
My son's a Nat. Guardsman and is in DC for the inaugration (spelled wrong) so I am watching it too and feeling sooooo bad for all the peeps outside in the cold. Hope the government has warm undies on my son!!! And earmuffs!!! LOL. Hes all excited cos their M14's will actually be loaded. He told me that I was like :scared:!!!!

I missed Geraldo last night. I also got my days mixed up and for some reason thought it was Sunday night and was SHOCKED to see NG on at 8pm, even if it was a rerun.
Thank God I didn't get up this morning and go to work!!

What did Conway say about Kronk??? Makes me mad that some
are trying to vilanize the meter reader.

They said the body was found 30-50- feet off the roadway. I am not sure but it was more than 20-25 feet. Makes me wonder, with the amount of overgrowth there, what WAS Kronk really doing back there that far?? He wasn't going pee way back there, WHY would he go so far back into overgrowth and saw palmettos (which cut you) and snakes and swamp or previously stinking swampland? Does that make sense to you? I do NOT want to promote any negativity towards the meter reader, but this is really bugging me. He must have REALLY thought Caylee was back there, and if he felt that strongly about it, why didn't he pursue it further the 2nd time he called LE about it?

BTW I think the guy who supposedly had searched and said it was nothing but 'trash' should be fired from the force.

abbie

[JLP]

Lets not forget Karla was also able to go on and HAVE A BABY!!!

The idea of Casey being allowed to have another child makes my stomach churn.

I know I'm not alone.

JESUS, MARY AND JOSEPH !!!
The thought of her having another baby is unthinkable.
If found guilty the judge should order a hysterectomy.

[tvdinners]

I do not believe George's story either. Re: what Casey did during the day.....If Casey leaving for "work" around 1:00 p.m. was her "normal day", then she would only have to leave the house until George left for work. jmo

Pls pardon if this has already been hashed out - but does anyone think it's possible Geo knew Casey had no job and was just covering for her to momma?

ETA: saying "momma" here just to emphasize that I think Geo behaved like a child, too.

[read-in]

i found this just wanted to share this with some of you

http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/dear-cindy-anthony/

THIS ASK'S IF CINDY REMEMBER'S CAYLEE

Wow, very honest and true letter. I wonder what she would think if she were to read that...

[SavannahStar]

Pls pardon if this has already been hashed out - but does anyone think it's possible Geo knew Casey had no job and was just covering for her to momma?

ETA: saying "momma" here just to emphasize that I think Geo behaved like a child, too.

I think they both had suspicions she didn't have a job but I don't think either of them knew for sure. IMO.

[BJames]

Thanks for that info. I think it demonstrates how gullible Baez thinks the general public is - that a significant percentage of folks would not know that if Casey (or anyone else in jail) doesn't want a visitor, all they have to do is refuse the visit.

I can appreciate on some level why Baez has the opinion that he can say whatever he wants & a portion of folks will just accept it at face value. His malarkey about how Casey had to be sedated is a perfect example. That BS story is believed by many, without a single thing ever having been shown to prove it - & despite commentary from people who have worked in corrections & who can verify that the inmates don't get to order up drugs - especially of the tranquilizing or sedating sort - at their will.

JMO


I couldn't figure out where to snip it...so I didn't :biggrin:

Among many other things in this case....Baez stating that Casey was 'sedated' set me back more than a bit as well Mimi.
I can use a Casey word on this...How many inmates are granted medication on their own whim? Seriously...if I were in her shoes (God help me) I would be a basket case from day one (not 31!)...would I be able to just 'order up' some nice medication? Is that even done in jails?
Who can order it...or is it just up to the inmate? Or her attorney?
Or was there even any 'truth' to it at all?


Just my opinion of course..

[CelticDawn]

i found this just wanted to share this with some of you

http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/01/16/dear-cindy-anthony/

THIS ASK'S IF CINDY REMEMBER'S CAYLEE

that is very good ...Thank you...It is almost what I would say to cindy....only I am no good with words.

Remember Caylee

[jammies]

Pls pardon if this has already been hashed out - but does anyone think it's possible Geo knew Casey had no job and was just covering for her to momma?

ETA: saying "momma" here just to emphasize that I think Geo behaved like a child, too.


Ding ding ding! Yep. They both kept eachother's secrets from mean ole mom. IMO

[apothecary]

101 spots and Abbie are spot on.I am at work right now and have a minute to reply and double ditto their comments

[IM4Truth]

Good Morning! :wub:


I'd love to get Katprint's take on this. It's a big concern, imo. I question why the judge wouldn't know this though. There must be something more. An exemption to the exemption? :unsure:

I'm struggling with the ciminal "intelligence" part and does this relate to crimes of an Agency not a person?

[read-in]

I couldn't figure out where to snip it...so I didn't :biggrin:

Among many other things in this case....Baez stating that Casey was 'sedated' set me back more than a bit as well Mimi.
I can use a Casey word on this...How many inmates are granted medication on their own whim? Seriously...if I were in her shoes (God help me) I would be a basket case from day one (not 31!)...would I be able to just 'order up' some nice medication? Is that even done in jails?
Who can order it...or is it just up to the inmate? Or her attorney?
Or was there even any 'truth' to it at all?


Just my opinion of course..

I think only a medical doctor would be the to prescribe medication.. dont you need a RX, esp for sedatives.. jmho

[tvdinners]

Ding ding ding! Yep. They both kept eachother's secrets from mean ole mom. IMO

uh-huh. And they still are, imo.

[Abbie]

JESUS, MARY AND JOSEPH !!!
The thought of her having another baby is unthinkable.
If found guilty the judge should order a hysterectomy.


ITA. WITHOUT anesthesia.

jus sayin'

abbie

[IM4Truth]

I'm really confused on alot of this stuff - I think LE did what was required by law and it was the media that got it out, since anyone is allowed copies. And JB being an Floridian Attorney he should know the Sunshine State Laws, but then it seems the Judge had to remind him of some. With all these Dream Team Experts involved now - it's not about Casey it's about JB and being able to have these experts to make a name for him. Notice how Dr. Henry Lee hasn't been on any talk shows since Judge Strickland let it be known how his experts are also going on TV. I think JB will have this moved to Geraldo Rivera's territory, he has alot of followers in the Fort Lauderdale area. JMOO

I think if the judge had granted a gag order, then it all could be withheld.

[tvdinners]

I think only a medical doctor would be the to prescribe medication.. dont you need a RX, esp for sedatives.. jmho

Yes, prescription meds would require a prescription written by a licensed medical practitioner - however, it's not uncommon for them to write scripts for anti-depressants, anti-anxiety agents, etc.; some of which are prescribed as a PRN (as needed).

[read-in]

ITA. WITHOUT anesthesia.

jus sayin'

abbie

Abbie I am just luvin you this morning!!!:laugh:

[Neffy]

I couldn't figure out where to snip it...so I didn't :biggrin:

Among many other things in this case....Baez stating that Casey was 'sedated' set me back more than a bit as well Mimi.
I can use a Casey word on this...How many inmates are granted medication on their own whim? Seriously...if I were in her shoes (God help me) I would be a basket case from day one (not 31!)...would I be able to just 'order up' some nice medication? Is that even done in jails?
Who can order it...or is it just up to the inmate? Or her attorney?
Or was there even any 'truth' to it at all?


Just my opinion of course..

It makes a good cover story for Casey's show of no emotion before finding Caylee's remains. She was a live and "safe" with someone who loved her.

The only thing known about her emotions afterward was Baez claiming Casey asked for a sedative.

[101Spots]

Pls pardon if this has already been hashed out - but does anyone think it's possible Geo knew Casey had no job and was just covering for her to momma?

ETA: saying "momma" here just to emphasize that I think Geo behaved like a child, too.

Short answer: Yes.

[*MoonRider*]

I just took a long hot shower and thought how much Casey would love all the special shampoos, conditioners and lotions. I also was thinking that if Casey told Cindy the truth that she murdered Caylee, I have no doubt that the entire family would have covered for her. There would have been no 911 call. I think the A's would go into the Casey mode of making excuses where Caylee was. Poor Caylee. jmo

[IM4Truth]

:ohmy: Holy Moly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I post with Grins there (I think I know where you mean) also but I must have missed that if he posted it.

Funny you should bring this up, because not more than a day or so ago I was complaining about the Sunshine Laws (as I usually do) and someone responded that in many cases they serve a very good purpose, however, they maybe should think about exempting criminal cases!

Now you're saying they ARE exempt????? :ohmy:

I just woke up and almost spilled my coffee reading this.

I've said all along that IMO, the videos and everything else we've seen should not be out in the public. I have many reasons for that, and "may taint the jury pool" is just one. This stuff is for trial only (again IMO), and there is just no reason for the general public to see it all.

I'm floored. I wish we had a FL attorney on board to comment.

You can go to myflorida.com and try to wade through all of it. It is very confusing. I'm trying to remember some online training we recently had to do regarding the Sunshine Law. Maybe I can check on that later today.

[JLP]

ita. without anesthesia.

Jus sayin'

abbie

of course !!

[Abbie]

Not a stupid comment at all. I was personally leaning towards making them organ donors, but I'll settle for the military.

Oh, yes! Speaking as a transplant recipient, they would be able to do one last good thing.
Except I would not want to be the recipient of Caseys cold cold heart.
I would, however, take one of those kidneys and her liver.
Would hate to think Caseys whole life has been just ONE HUGE WASTE. May as well make use of her innards. jmo

abbie

[CelticDawn]

I couldn't figure out where to snip it...so I didn't :biggrin:

Among many other things in this case....Baez stating that Casey was 'sedated' set me back more than a bit as well Mimi.
I can use a Casey word on this...How many inmates are granted medication on their own whim? Seriously...if I were in her shoes (God help me) I would be a basket case from day one (not 31!)...would I be able to just 'order up' some nice medication? Is that even done in jails?
Who can order it...or is it just up to the inmate? Or her attorney?
Or was there even any 'truth' to it at all?


Just my opinion of course..


In order for a detainee to b medicated they have to be examined by a doctor. No exceptions. even prisoners who come into our jails here with medication or proof that they are on regular medication have to be examined....Of course in the casey situation....we wouldnt know if she was actually sedated because HIPPA <I think I have the acronym correct> overrides any sunshine Law disclosure.

If I had to say one way or the other....Baez probably said that to generate pity for casey.

[desmom]

Pls pardon if this has already been hashed out - but does anyone think it's possible Geo knew Casey had no job and was just covering for her to momma?

ETA: saying "momma" here just to emphasize that I think Geo behaved like a child, too.


Didn't George tell the FBI he suspected Casey didn't have a job?

Ryan told LE Cindy called him 3 - 3 1/2 weeks before Caylee was reported missing to question him about Casey working at Sports Authority and to tell him to stay away from Casey because she was a sociopath.

Did Cindy also know Casey did not have a job?

jmo

[IM4Truth]

Good Morning KKKKKKatie! I am not a legal expert. I posted this yesterday and it may answer your question. http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12668269#post12668269

Public Records: A Guide for Law Enforcement
http://myfloridalegal.com/webfiles.nsf/WF/MRAY-7E8QJ6/$file/2008LEGuide.pdf

Page 49 Are records released to the defendant considered to be criminal investigative or intelligence information?

"Except in limited circumstances, records which have been given or are required to be given to the person arrested cannot be withheld from public inspection as a criminal investigative or intelligence information. In other words, once the material has been made available to the defendant as part of the discovery process in a criminal proceeding, the material is ordinarily no longer considered to be exempt criminal investigative or criminal intelligence information.

If the above link does not work, try http://myfloridalegal.com/pages.nsf/main/88e69acfa331282f85256cc60075759e!OpenDocument and click on Download the Guide for Law Enforcement in Acrobat Format

Oops, guess I should keep reading to the end before I start posting. I started reading the last page this morning first and then got distracted. You hit the nail on the head.

[dixielover]

In order for a detainee to b medicated they have to be examined by a doctor. No exceptions. even prisoners who come into our jails here with medication or proof that they are on regular medication have to be examined....Of course in the casey situation....we wouldnt know if she was actually sedated because HIPPA <I think I have the acronym correct> overrides any sunshine Law disclosure.

If I had to say one way or the other....Baez probably said that to generate pity for casey.

I agree but I think it is another thing that Baez said that back fired because she did not get upset when they got the bones out of the river. She knew she had been caught. jmo

[Dunlurken]

Didn't George tell the FBI he suspected Casey didn't have a job?

Ryan told LE Cindy called him 3 - 3 1/2 weeks before Caylee was reported missing to question him about Casey working at Sports Authority and to tell him to stay away from Casey because she was a sociopath.

Did Cindy also know Casey did not have a job?

jmo

How could they not know she didn't have a job?

[SavannahStar]

Oops, guess I should keep reading to the end before I start posting. I started reading the last page this morning first and then got distracted. You hit the nail on the head.


bolding mine.

I do that too. No problem! :smile:

[PuffDragon]

Of course anyone's answer to this is IMO only.

But I rethought it again. Before the remains were found she HATED not knowing what was in the news and if LE or anyone for that matter were close to find Caylee. Where were searches being done etc.

How close was she to getting caught? That is one of the causes of her jail visit meltdown.

Okay Neffy, for the sake of argument I'll go with your premise. So your answer is that Casey hates being confined because she can't keep track of what LE is doing. That's valid. But..........

But your premise is based on the idea that she did hate not knowing what what was going on. You don't know that. You're assuming. In fact, you're assuming she had a meltdown. We only 'know' that because of what her lawyer said. Her lawyer who wasn't there when she was told.

[Dunlurken]

I agree but I think it is another thing that Baez said that back fired because she did not get upset when they got the bones out of the river. She knew she had been caught. jmo

No, the bones weren't in the river. Therefore, she knew she wasn't caught. The remains were close to home.

[Abbie]

I couldn't figure out where to snip it...so I didn't :biggrin:

Among many other things in this case....Baez stating that Casey was 'sedated' set me back more than a bit as well Mimi.
I can use a Casey word on this...How many inmates are granted medication on their own whim? Seriously...if I were in her shoes (God help me) I would be a basket case from day one (not 31!)...would I be able to just 'order up' some nice medication? Is that even done in jails?
Who can order it...or is it just up to the inmate? Or her attorney?
Or was there even any 'truth' to it at all?


Just my opinion of course..

I was a jail nurse for 2 years.

If she was behaving in a way that made MEDICAL PERSONNEL (NOT CASEY or BAEZ) determine that sedation was needed, then she would have also been placed in the jails medical unit for further observation, or even sent out 911 to the psych ward at the local hospital. They don't just run some sedatives back to an inmate in their cell. Its not the atty or inmates call, FGS.
I strongly believe that if she HAD been transferred to medical unit in the jail or emergency room, BAEZ would have made this fact known IMMEDIATELY!!! Without haste!!!! lol

He really does think the public is stupid. Or maybe its just that he is stupid. :confused:

[daHawg]

How could they not know she didn't have a job?

I could see where Cindy may not have known being that she was gone all day at her job and that Casey was creating the "fake" emails IMO to say 'see I have an event I have to be at tonight'. But George being unemployed and at home most of that time nope I don't see how he could not have known.

[Dunlurken]

Okay Neffy, for the sake of argument I'll go with your premise. So your answer is that Casey hates being confined because she can't keep track of what LE is doing. That's valid. But..........

But your premise is based on the idea that she did hate not knowing what what was going on. You don't know that. You're assuming. In fact, you're assuming she had a meltdown. We only 'know' that because of what her lawyer said. Her lawyer who wasn't there when she was told.

Casey, herself, said it. She didn't know what was going on. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

I could see where Cindy may not have known being that she was gone all day at her job and that Casey was creating the "fake" emails IMO to say 'see I have an event I have to be at tonight'. But George being unemployed and at home most of that time nope I don't see how he could not have known.

Wasn't George also working at the time? The night shift somewhere?

[Regina.Lampert]

It makes a good cover story for Casey's show of no emotion before finding Caylee's remains. She was a live and "safe" with someone who loved her.

The only thing known about her emotions afterward was Baez claiming Casey asked for a sedative.

casey anthony asking for and receiving a "sedative" reminds me of the scene from The Birdcage, when an hysterical Albert asks for a sedative and gets a "pirin." Which turned out to be an aspirin with the "as" rubbed off. :biggrin:

[SavannahStar]

Okay Neffy, for the sake of argument I'll go with your premise. So your answer is that Casey hates being confined because she can't keep track of what LE is doing. That's valid. But..........

But your premise is based on the idea that she did hate not knowing what what was going on. You don't know that. You're assuming. In fact, you're assuming she had a meltdown. We only 'know' that because of what her lawyer said. Her lawyer who wasn't there when she was told.

What was confusing to me about what she said in the video is....at the beginning she kept talking about meeting with Baez and he 'kept her in the loop' (or however she worded it, I don't remember), and she was apprised of everything and yada yada, kept informed....then LATER in the video, complaining to mom and dad, it was all *sob sob* (paraphrased), "I don't know anything....I'm in here....no one tells me anything, I can't do anything....." blah blah.

It seemed to me she was very inconsistent about whether or not she was informed of what was going on in the case.

[IM4Truth]

I was not interested in her until the morning that the story broke down here about 9:33 a.m.- she was at the house by 9:45 a.m. and although we know that she was taking care of the dogs while the A's were out of town- it made me wonder.

Now it begs the question- immediately the LE were at the A's home that morning, it was public knowledge that the A's were out of town at this time and the LE did not at this minute have the paperwork to declare this a "crime scene" -
makes me think that there was something laying right out in the open that they knew these remains were linked to that house. Was it just by chance that Mallory happened to come to the house at that moment or was she sent there? She ARRIVED minutes after the story broke, she was not at the house first. IMOO- would have to know the minute that Kronk called 911 to the time that it came across in Orlando. Anyone have that right off hand?

I would also like to know more of the neighbors comments on this. They said she had been in and out while the Anthonys were out of town. I'm sure it was nothing more than to take care of the dogs. However, I can't help but wonder if the neighbors noticed the time of day that she stopped by and was it routine?

[Neffy]

Okay Neffy, for the sake of argument I'll go with your premise. So your answer is that Casey hates being confined because she can't keep track of what LE is doing. That's valid. But..........

But your premise is based on the idea that she did hate not knowing what what was going on. You don't know that. You're assuming. In fact, you're assuming she had a meltdown. We only 'know' that because of what her lawyer said. Her lawyer who wasn't there when she was told.

I was referring to her meltdow in the "lost" jail house visit release.
Her"frustration" not being in control ect.

Certainly not what Baez says. I don't recall him ever to have alluded to a meltdown of any shape, way or form.

[PuffDragon]

Pls pardon if this has already been hashed out - but does anyone think it's possible Geo knew Casey had no job and was just covering for her to momma?

ETA: saying "momma" here just to emphasize that I think Geo behaved like a child, too.

It's been brought up plenty and hashed, but not hashed out because of course we can't read George's mind, but he said more than once that he didn't think she had a job. And certainly he had plenty of reason to cover for her, since he undoubtedly preferred to keep the peace in his home than to have Cindy confront Casey and make a scene. All that was much more important than dealing with Casey's lies and behavior. I guess none of them ever thought that this kind of an environment was toxic to them all and could lead to ............well, the unthinkable.

[daHawg]

Wasn't George also working at the time? The night shift somewhere?
Not during the whole time. Just recently and sporadically was he holding down any jobs. He was out on a disability with is knee for quite a long period of time during the time that Casey was "working".

[Lavenia]

casey anthony asking for and receiving a "sedative" reminds me of the scene from The Birdcage, when an hysterical Albert asks for a sedative and gets a "pirin." Which turned out to be an aspirin with the "as" rubbed off. :biggrin:

:thumbsup: Too bad she didn't get "isin", with the "po" rubbed off. :wink:

[Neffy]

Not during the whole time. Just recently and sporadically was he holding down any jobs. He was out on a disability with is knee for quite a long period of time during the time that Casey was "working".

Wasn't the knee injury do to his days at the Sheriffs dept in Warren?

[CelticDawn]

I agree but I think it is another thing that Baez said that back fired because she did not get upset when they got the bones out of the river. She knew she had been caught. jmo

She knew that the bones taken from the river were not those of Caylee. ....., because casey knew where the remains were not, she 1...knew that Caylee was dead and...2. Knew where her remains were located.

[daHawg]

I would also like to know more of the neighbors comments on this. They said she had been in and out while the Anthonys were out of town. I'm sure it was nothing more than to take care of the dogs. However, I can't help but wonder if the neighbors noticed the time of day that she stopped by and was it routine?I am sure she took care of the dogs whenever the A's went out of town however the A's had only left the previous night for LKL so it's not like she was going there for days prior and what I would like to know is was she already there in the morning to feed the dogs since she showed up at 11:45.

[court~critic1®]

I was a jail nurse for 2 years.

If she was behaving in a way that made MEDICAL PERSONNEL (NOT CASEY or BAEZ) determine that sedation was needed, then she would have also been placed in the jails medical unit for further observation, or even sent out 911 to the psych ward at the local hospital. They don't just run some sedatives back to an inmate in their cell. Its not the atty or inmates call, FGS.
I strongly believe that if she HAD been transferred to medical unit in the jail or emergency room, BAEZ would have made this fact known IMMEDIATELY!!! Without haste!!!! lol

He really does think the public is stupid. Or maybe its just that he is stupid. :confused:


I concur completely.........Of course people that heard this and felt sorry for Cassy are that $tupid. Those are the ones he wants on the jury.

[?noanswer]

In order for a detainee to b medicated they have to be examined by a doctor. No exceptions. even prisoners who come into our jails here with medication or proof that they are on regular medication have to be examined....Of course in the casey situation....we wouldnt know if she was actually sedated because HIPPA <I think I have the acronym correct> overrides any sunshine Law disclosure.

If I had to say one way or the other....Baez probably said that to generate pity for casey.

After seeing KC on the 8-14 video, it would not surprise me if she did not go ballistic. Not because Caylee was dead, but because they found the body. I think JB had constantly reinforced the idea of no body, no conviction. JMO

[PuffDragon]

How could they not know she didn't have a job?
Um, for the very same reason that they 'didn't know' that Caylee was dead????

[desmom]

How could they not know she didn't have a job?

Blinders? jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Too bad she didn't get "isin", with the "po" rubbed off. :wink:

:eek: ..........and we're off to the races with that one! :lol:

[Abbie]

I couldn't figure out where to snip it...so I didn't :biggrin:

Among many other things in this case....Baez stating that Casey was 'sedated' set me back more than a bit as well Mimi.
I can use a Casey word on this...How many inmates are granted medication on their own whim? Seriously...if I were in her shoes (God help me) I would be a basket case from day one (not 31!)...would I be able to just 'order up' some nice medication? Is that even done in jails?
Who can order it...or is it just up to the inmate? Or her attorney?
Or was there even any 'truth' to it at all?


Just my opinion of course..

The jails physician orders it. Generally speaking, jail docs and nurses are not overly compassionate in the direction of the inmate. You have to keep it in perspective. Was the victims loved one able to get immediate sedation following the news that someone was dead? Why should an INMATE get treatment thats over and above what 'normal' 'regular' 'free' people would get? Thats a way of putting it in perspective.
Restricted freedoms. Including the right to bear drugs. LOL.

[daHawg]

Wasn't the knee injury do to his days at the Sheriffs dept in Warren?
I don't know but that is a pretty long time for a work related injury claim to be going on. Didn't they move to FL in 89 or somewhere around there? :blink:

[IM4Truth]

I am in Maryland, SS, nothing beautiful here, cold cold gray day.
My son's a Nat. Guardsman and is in DC for the inaugration (spelled wrong) so I am watching it too and feeling sooooo bad for all the peeps outside in the cold. Hope the government has warm undies on my son!!! And earmuffs!!! LOL. Hes all excited cos their M14's will actually be loaded. He told me that I was like :scared:!!!!

I missed Geraldo last night. I also got my days mixed up and for some reason thought it was Sunday night and was SHOCKED to see NG on at 8pm, even if it was a rerun.
Thank God I didn't get up this morning and go to work!!

What did Conway say about Kronk??? Makes me mad that some
are trying to vilanize the meter reader.

They said the body was found 30-50- feet off the roadway. I am not sure but it was more than 20-25 feet. Makes me wonder, with the amount of overgrowth there, what WAS Kronk really doing back there that far?? He wasn't going pee way back there, WHY would he go so far back into overgrowth and saw palmettos (which cut you) and snakes and swamp or previously stinking swampland? Does that make sense to you? I do NOT want to promote any negativity towards the meter reader, but this is really bugging me. He must have REALLY thought Caylee was back there, and if he felt that strongly about it, why didn't he pursue it further the 2nd time he called LE about it?

BTW I think the guy who supposedly had searched and said it was nothing but 'trash' should be fired from the force.

abbie

It seems that Conway is convinced there is more to the MR. In fact I think Conway said he had proof (but don't quote me on that). It could be that the MR just stepped into the brush so as not to be seen and saw something further back? The brush was quite dense, but still something might be able to catch you eye. Maybe not the entire bag but maybe the handle of it. (was the handle red, white?)

[Neffy]

Okay Neffy, for the sake of argument I'll go with your premise. So your answer is that Casey hates being confined because she can't keep track of what LE is doing. That's valid. But..........

But your premise is based on the idea that she did hate not knowing what what was going on. You don't know that. You're assuming. In fact, you're assuming she had a meltdown. We only 'know' that because of what her lawyer said. Her lawyer who wasn't there when she was told.

[/B]

I was referring to her meltdow in the "lost" jail house visit release.

Her"frustration" not being in control ect.

Certainly not what Baez says. I don't recall him ever to have alluded to a meltdown of any shape, way or form.

To elaborate on this some more.

Do you recall when Cindy busted Casey for claiming a pic that was supposedly the inside of Zenaida's house was in fact Ricardos.

Cindy pulled a bait and switch there and was trying to get the truth out of Casey.

Casey has had no access to what information her Family has recovered.
She has no information to give them NO ANSWERS as she can't come up with new lies. She has "nothing to go on." AKA being out of the "loop".

This is frustrating and it's made her angry.

This is 1 reason she HATES being in jail.

[PuffDragon]

Of course anyone's answer to this is IMO only.

But I rethought it again. Before the remains were found she HATED not knowing what was in the news and if LE or anyone for that matter were close to find Caylee. Where were searches being done etc.

How close was she to getting caught? That is one of the causes of her jail visit meltdown.

*Bolding mine

Sorry, I just reread your post and realized that I was thinking about the supposed meltdown when Caylee's bones were discovered.
I didn't put it in the context you used, because I don't see that jailhouse visit as a meltdown at all. I think she was frustrated but she was completely able to get control of herself and avoided a full tantrum. That was before she was charged with murder, I don't think she had any idea she was in real trouble.

[Regina.Lampert]

It seems that Conway is convinced there is more to the MR. In fact I think Conway said he had proof (but don't quote me on that). It could be that the MR just stepped into the brush so as not to be seen and saw something further back? The brush was quite dense, but still something might be able to catch you eye. Maybe not the entire bag but maybe the handle of it. (was the handle red, white?)

I'm hearing thru the grapevine that on last night's geraldo, conway made some remarks against Kronk, alluding to more unfortunate information about him coming out.

Very inappropriate if true, imo. This is the man who obeyed cynthia's orders to get off his *** and look for Caylee, and he actually found her. Instead of trash talking him, conway should be thanking him.

imo

[101Spots]

:thumbsup: Too bad she didn't get "isin", with the "po" rubbed off. :wink:

Oh, crap, she's up.

That's my girl!! :thumbsup:

[Abbie]

What was confusing to me about what she said in the video is....at the beginning she kept talking about meeting with Baez and he 'kept her in the loop' (or however she worded it, I don't remember), and she was apprised of everything and yada yada, kept informed....then LATER in the video, complaining to mom and dad, it was all *sob sob* (paraphrased), "I don't know anything....I'm in here....no one tells me anything, I can't do anything....." blah blah.

It seemed to me she was very inconsistent about whether or not she was informed of what was going on in the case.

She even mentioned LOOP both times, the silly twit!!!!

[IM4Truth]

Well abbie you are not alone; same story here. glad to know that there are others... I thought there was something wrong with me-- ha ha. thanks for sharing..

I envy those people who can stay with this 24/7! Why do I have to go to work everyday? I'll have to buy a DVD recorder to keep up with the trial!

[Neffy]

I don't know but that is a pretty long time for a work related injury claim to be going on. Didn't they move to FL in 89 or somewhere around there? :blink:

See that's my thought also. That's why I was asking first if thats where the knee injury came from.

They moved there when Casey was 3 or 4.

So were looking at 17-18 yrs?

[Lavenia]

:eek: ..........and we're off to the races with that one! :lol:

Heh heh. I'm going to show restraint today. :tonguewag:

[kitty1182]

I'm hearing thru the grapevine that on last night's geraldo, conway made some remarks against Kronk, alluding to more unfortunate information about him coming out.

Very inappropriate if true, imo. This is the man who obeyed cynthia's orders to get off his *** and look for Caylee, and he actually found her. Instead of trash talking him, conway should be thanking him.

imo


Amen.............

[playnice]

I'm hearing thru the grapevine that on last night's geraldo, conway made some remarks against Kronk, alluding to more unfortunate information about him coming out.

Very inappropriate if true, imo. This is the man who obeyed cynthia's orders to get off his *** and look for Caylee, and he actually found her. Instead of trash talking him, conway should be thanking him.

imo

Normal people would think that way . Just more evidence they didnt want Caylee found.:thumbdown:

[PuffDragon]

Casey, herself, said it. She didn't know what was going on. JMO.

So? Are we picking and choosing which of Casey's statements to believe? She also said she knows what's going on because Jose tells her. Choose one. Or none.

I choose none. She has no credibility with me.

[IM4Truth]

I was just thinking about the letter writting business; wondering if anyone know's, just who pays the postage for inmates??? stamps can really add up,
state?
county?
us postal serv.
family?
commisary?
was curious about that for sometime. Anyone know??

I think she can buy stamps. paper, envelopes from the comissary and she has plenty of money in her account to cover it.

[Lavenia]

Oh, crap, she's up.

That's my girl!! :thumbsup:

Good Morning sweetie! I'm just peeking in for a bit. Gotta go get a b-day cake for my 30 y/o "baby". :ohmy:

I'm loving the jailhouse video fallout! Go Team Baez! <snort!>

[read-in]

I was just thinking ( never a good thing ) If Baez would be dumb enough to do the " no defense strategy " meaning, after all the pro's case is done and all evidence is brought out... Baez stands up and Say's The Defense rest your Honor.... the state has failed to prove their case... Yuppp Yuppp, to much reasonable dought,
I can almost see JB and friends, have the state do all the leg work, and the testing and so forth... and then come up with nooo..... to much room for dought... I dont think that will happen, but i did see a case like this, and it was a hung jury... a mountain of evidence pointed to absolute guilt, however, you only need one!!
My bad... told ya thinking was not good for me...

[Regina.Lampert]

Heh heh. I'm going to show restraint today. :tonguewag:

LOL, we'll see........ :tongue:

[destiny1]

Good Morning everybody.


What is with this Conway character?

Why is he trying to further smear Mr Kronks name? It figures that this would be done on Geraldo's show.

These people are angry that Caylees remains were found, and Mr Kronk is their whipping boy. Whether this is a staged find or not, these people are just awful!

[Neffy]

*Bolding mine

Sorry, I just reread your post and realized that I was thinking about the supposed meltdown when Caylee's bones were discovered.
I didn't put it in the context you used, because I don't see that jailhouse visit as a meltdown at all. I think she was frustrated but she was completely able to get control of herself and avoided a full tantrum. That was before she was charged with murder, I don't think she had any idea she was in real trouble.

Ok understood.

That's when I think she started panicking of being in real trouble. As long as she knew what was going on - was in the "loop" she felt like she could lie her way out of anything and everything.

She got a hold of herself because of the camera's. This IMO wouldn't have reached the control she'd taken if it were in the Anthony's house without camera's or anywhere else.

[Abbie]

It seems that Conway is convinced there is more to the MR. In fact I think Conway said he had proof (but don't quote me on that). It could be that the MR just stepped into the brush so as not to be seen and saw something further back? The brush was quite dense, but still something might be able to catch you eye. Maybe not the entire bag but maybe the handle of it. (was the handle red, white?)

Have they said yet if it was a black or a white bag??? Because I keep looking at my white kitchen bags when I pull them out of the can, and it's easy to see stuff through the white bag.

I feel sorry for Kronk and anybody who comes across someones remains. What a shocking event! Especially when its the MOST PUBLICIZED CASE IN THE COUNTRY???

He should sue the Ants for emotional distress.

[PuffDragon]

What was confusing to me about what she said in the video is....at the beginning she kept talking about meeting with Baez and he 'kept her in the loop' (or however she worded it, I don't remember), and she was apprised of everything and yada yada, kept informed....then LATER in the video, complaining to mom and dad, it was all *sob sob* (paraphrased), "I don't know anything....I'm in here....no one tells me anything, I can't do anything....." blah blah.

It seemed to me she was very inconsistent about whether or not she was informed of what was going on in the case.

That's the whole point SS. You have to take anything that Casey says as a work of fiction. Everybody keeps forgetting that.

What we need is a banner running down that blank space on the side of the screen:

THE TRUTH AND CASEY ANTHONY ARE STRANGERS.

[daHawg]

See that's my thought also. That's why I was asking first if thats where the knee injury came from.

They moved there when Casey was 3 or 4.

So were looking at 17-18 yrs?

Yeah, I am thinking it isn't from when he worked on the force. Because when he left the force he went to work with his dad in his dad's car dealership and then tried his hand at his own car lot which failed and then they moved to FL. If he had been on a work related injury and all his claim wouldn't have much merit if he was working while he was saying he is disabled. So it must be after that. IMO

[PuffDragon]

[/b]

I was referring to her meltdow in the "lost" jail house visit release.
Her"frustration" not being in control ect.

Certainly not what Baez says. I don't recall him ever to have alluded to a meltdown of any shape, way or form.

I know, I reread it and corrected myself.

Baez did say it.

[desmom]

See that's my thought also. That's why I was asking first if thats where the knee injury came from.

They moved there when Casey was 3 or 4.

So were looking at 17-18 yrs?


Didn't George tell the FBI he was off work for a little over a year?