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Cherishlove

01-18-2009, 10:04 PM

Wow, she certainly has a strange fan club:scared:Why would she allow that to be put on the internet, she isn't a very smart woman. Out partying? Her husband was just killed while her step son sits in isloated juvie? Sounds like she's glad there both out of the picture. She's not a big fan of mine.

TaraCrazyHair

01-18-2009, 10:07 PM

Why would she allow that to be put on the internet, she isn't a very smart woman. Out partying? Her husband was just killed while her step son sits in isloated juvie? Sounds like she's glad there both out of the picture. She's not a big fan of mine.

I was just wondering the very same thing after following the link

I know everyone responds differently to tragedy but I don't get it

Good_Gawd

01-18-2009, 10:14 PM

I was just wondering the very same thing after following the link

I know everyone responds differently to tragedy but I don't get it

I am sure you do. :wink:

TaraCrazyHair

01-18-2009, 10:15 PM

For a valid diagnoses yes. But it must begin somewhere. It doesn't start small and progress. Perhaps this is THIS child's starting point. It would explain everything. So far IMO this is the front running theory for me.

The lack of child abuse findings
His school record
His lack of LE involvement
The missing spots in his memory
The GSR
The phone calls
Finding the gun in his hand

I was not aware they found the gun in his hand?

mrrogers

01-18-2009, 10:15 PM

New Thread.

COME ON DOWN
:

:seeya:

can some pls tell me how to get the crime scene photos youve been
talking about. also a friend of mine said theres a video of tiffany partying has anyone heard about that
ed
tr7fan@yahoo.com

TaraCrazyHair

01-18-2009, 10:18 PM

I am sure you do. :wink:

Actually no, I don't

I never thought of her as a suspect yet her actions are no different than some others who should be grieving yet they go and party and that makes them guilty

Hawk

01-18-2009, 10:19 PM

can some pls tell me how to get the crime scene photos youve been
talking about. also a friend of mine said theres a video of tiffany partying has anyone heard about that
ed
tr7fan@yahoo.com

http://ktar.com/?sid=993970&nid=237&pid=1

http://www.kpho.com/slideshow/news/18019101/detail.html

http://axtonromero.blogspot.com/

TaraCrazyHair

01-18-2009, 10:20 PM

He said he found it there.

I missed something there

He said he found the gun in his hand?

In the interrogation?

(sorry for being confused)

TaraCrazyHair

01-18-2009, 10:24 PM

It doesn't look good.

That type of behavior is what wrongly convicted Cynthia Sommers. So I've learned people grieve differently.

But what about this boyfriend being mentioned?

I think that is what bothered me more than a haircut and a few drinks

Hawk

01-18-2009, 10:28 PM

Good-Night folks!

Goodnight.

Cherishlove

01-18-2009, 10:28 PM

Good night HotNostril:smile:Dito::thumbsup:

Hawk

01-18-2009, 10:33 PM

good nite all. i'll try to catch up tomorrow.

Goodnight.

GentleBreeze

01-18-2009, 10:36 PM

But what about this boyfriend being mentioned?

I think that is what bothered me more than a haircut and a few drinks

I am not so sure that I would put much faith in that. Can anyone sign up there and then say what they want? Pretending that they know them when they dont?

imoo

GentleBreeze

01-18-2009, 10:38 PM

Good-Night folks!

Good Night!:smile:

GentleBreeze

01-18-2009, 10:39 PM

good nite all. i'll try to catch up tomorrow.

Good night, Iam.
:smile:

Jacobtk

01-18-2009, 10:41 PM

I missed something there

He said he found the gun in his hand?

In the interrogation?

(sorry for being confused)

No, the boy never made any such statement. During the interrogation he stated, after being heavily prompted by the officers, that he shot his gun outside, at the white car, at Tim accidentally, at his father to stop his suffering and finally both men twice. He never stated that he found his gun in his hand.

Good_Gawd

01-18-2009, 10:52 PM

Dito::thumbsup:

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

mrrogers

01-18-2009, 10:54 PM

I don't pretend to be sitting on a jury. I'm on a message board so therefore the presumption of innocence doesn't apply to me.

The fact remains the judge found PROBABLE cause.

http://www.convolutedbrian.com/prosecutor-and-police-undermining-their-child-victim.html

Cherishlove

01-18-2009, 10:55 PM

Good_Gawd

01-18-2009, 10:57 PM

http://www.convolutedbrian.com/prosecutor-and-police-undermining-their-child-victim.html

My favorite!

* One example of the evasiveness of Sergeant Rodriguez

Q: (Defense Attorney Benjamin Brewer) Okay, as far as your personal recollection on this ‑‑ on this whole case, what did you collect?

A: (Sergeant Lucas Rodriguez) We collected the ‑‑

Q: Not we; you. What did you collect?

A: Shell casings.

Q: Okay. You collected the shell casings.

A: I didn’t personally.

:lol::lol::lol:

mina

01-18-2009, 10:58 PM

It isn't going anywhere.
They know she is guilty.

I wonder if Reed will stay with her? LOL

moo

Good point - I was shocked that they ("the family") would have left it up this long.

Have you checked out Levi's criminal and "domestic" records?

Good_Gawd

01-18-2009, 11:06 PM

Good point - I was shocked that they ("the family") would have left it up this long.

Have you checked out Levi's criminal and "domestic" records?

I sure did.

I think Vincent was too "mild" for her taste.

moo

Good_Gawd

01-18-2009, 11:08 PM

When you watch the interrogation tape those officers were not going to let that boy out of there until he at least said he shot the gun, it's appauling even my 11 year old son asked me why are they making that little kid say he shot the gun?

Every person I could get to watch it said the same thing.

Alvia was going to go over everything again and again until she got him to say what she wanted to hear.

mrrogers

01-18-2009, 11:15 PM

http://ktar.com/?sid=993970&nid=237&pid=1

http://www.kpho.com/slideshow/news/18019101/detail.html

http://axtonromero.blogspot.com/

thanks someone was mentioning pics of tim romans lying on the porch any idea on those?

PensiveOne

01-18-2009, 11:25 PM

http://www.convolutedbrian.com/prosecutor-and-police-undermining-their-child-victim.html

Here is his rant, as he calls his writings, about the autopsies:
http://www.convolutedbrian.com/st-johns-arizona-double-homicide-autopsies.html

lurkinghere2

01-18-2009, 11:39 PM

thanks someone was mentioning pics of tim romans lying on the porch any idea on those?

Here ya go. Photo 9 -- hide the caption.
http://www.kpho.com/slideshow/news/18019101/detail.html

muska

01-18-2009, 11:50 PM

Knock knock

Keen is Arizona’s senior forensic pathologist.

I really enjoy your posts!! That little bit of humor is great! Once in awhile, you actually make me laugh....keep it up!

mrrogers

01-18-2009, 11:52 PM

I think this best demonstrates the lack of objectivity I spoke of. It is because of absolutisms like the above comments that organizations like the Innocence Project must exist.

http://www.convolutedbrian.com/prosecutor-and-police-undermining-their-child-victim.html

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/LaurieRoberts/39742
in this article the phoenix atty working on the case says there is reason
to believe c is innocent. i dont think shed be giving out that info if the evidence she has is weak. the other attys are talking about a complete dismissal so they must have something pretty good

muska

01-19-2009, 12:15 AM

I think this best demonstrates the lack of objectivity I spoke of. It is because of absolutisms like the above comments that organizations like the Innocence Project must exist.

And thank God for organizations like the Innocence Project! Did you know that 24% of the guilty verdicts that they help overturn were obtained chiefly on the basis of a false confession?

muska

01-19-2009, 12:25 AM

I missed something there

He said he found the gun in his hand?

In the interrogation?

(sorry for being confused)

No, he didn't. Just part of all the rambling he did in the interrogation.

muska

01-19-2009, 12:39 AM

It doesn't look good.

That type of behavior is what wrongly convicted Cynthia Sommers. So I've learned people grieve differently.

You've posted about the boy's behavior in the interrorgation. You seemed to feel he'd shown too little emotion, wasn't upset enough or was somehow inappropriate. Maybe he just grieved differently, maybe he had no idea how to show his grief. Why can you accept that Tiffany might grieve differently but not the child? Tiffany is a 30 year old woman. She should know better. IMO

muska

01-19-2009, 01:24 AM

I finally finished reading all of today's posts.....lots of great ideas! But.........the last few pages...............wow..........

Details

01-19-2009, 01:48 AM

Jacobtk

01-19-2009, 02:14 AM

And thank God for organizations like the Innocence Project! Did you know that 24% of the guilty verdicts that they help overturn were obtained chiefly on the basis of a false confession?

Yes and a surprisingly large percentage of them were false confessions made by juveniles. It makes one wonder about the thousands of cases where there is no DNA evidence or admission by another person to exonerate innocent people. It is grossly disturbing how common coerced confessions are. That is why it is important to teach children to never give statements to police without asking for both their parents/guardians and a lawyer.

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 02:21 AM

I finally finished reading all of today's posts.....lots of great ideas! But.........the last few pages...............wow..........

Drove me nuts.

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 02:27 AM

This photo shows the way Tim was laying

http://www.kpho.com/slideshow/news/18019101/detail.html

#9

He didn't come straight up the sidewalk. Looks more like he came from the driveway.

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 02:32 AM

I think the debate about this case is terrific. What a pity the 'police' in St. John's didn't have one before they announced the child as a double murderer.

Avila should be nominated for an academy Award.

The child should be out of custody, out of Az, with his mother.

The discussion of his step-mother has been interesting. Can I lay a bet with anyone that Eryn hasn't been out partying since this happened?
I lived in a place with 3,000 people. It isn't called a Town It's a Village. To be a town you have to have 5,000 residents.
I dub these idiots "The Village Idiots"

Avila should get the Death Penalty. I like to see her and the chief in Saw 6

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 02:39 AM

Here is his rant, as he calls his writings, about the autopsies:
http://www.convolutedbrian.com/st-johns-arizona-double-homicide-autopsies.html

The guy has a copy of the autopsy. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

A small caliber copper coated projectile was recovered from the right pleural cavity. None of the law enforcement witnesses found the copper coated bullet to be remarkable.

----------------

They found 2 copper coated bullets in these men.

That may match a two shooter theory.

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 02:41 AM

GG I'm looking. I've even got my glasses on but where is he in the photo?

Hide the caption.

He is by the bush all the way to the left.

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 02:55 AM

I have a feeling this case is going to come crumbling down very soon.

moo

Jacobtk

01-19-2009, 03:14 AM

I really hope you're right. And straight after, I want to see heads roll. Out of St. John's 'police' station.

In the Ryan Harris case ten years ago, when the two 7 and 8 year old boys falsely accused of the girl's rape and murder were exonerated, police chief Terry Hillard stated in a press conference that the police and investigators had not mishandled the case in any way, including plying false confessions out both boys. If it turns out that the boy is innocent, that will likely be the same response from the people involved.

mina

01-19-2009, 03:38 AM

In the Ryan Harris case ten years ago, when the two 7 and 8 year old boys falsely accused of the girl's rape and murder were exonerated, police chief Terry Hillard stated in a press conference that the police and investigators had not mishandled the case in any way, including plying false confessions out both boys. If it turns out that the boy is innocent, that will likely be the same response from the people involved.

And wasn't that even after the actual killer had raped a 10-year old girl a month after the murder, while the police were still insisting that the two little boys were guilty? IIRC (not sure)

mina

01-19-2009, 03:54 AM

The guy has a copy of the autopsy. No doubt in my mind whatsoever.

A small caliber copper coated projectile was recovered from the right pleural cavity. None of the law enforcement witnesses found the copper coated bullet to be remarkable.

----------------

They found 2 copper coated bullets in these men.

That may match a two shooter theory.

I think I finally found the links to the autopsy reports:

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoublehomicide.com/applications/DocumentLibraryManager/upload/romeroautopsy.pdf
http://www.november2008stjohnsdoublehomicide.com/applications/DocumentLibraryManager/upload/romansautopsy.pdf

mina

01-19-2009, 04:33 AM

Hi. My PC is having compatability issues even though I have Adobe 9 downloaded. Can you provide a read version? Would be much appreciated.

I'm sorry, I don't know of any easy/free way to convert these from pdf to anything except some pretty ugly text.

Have you tried right-clicking the link and choosing "Save Target As" and saving the pdf to your Desktop or My Documents? Then in open the pdf file separately so that it's not embedded in the IE browser? (I do this as habit because IE randomly freezes up if I just click the link.) Just a suggestion.

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 06:41 AM

Where have you been? This is your 1st post. I'm not saying it's important to be here but if you can find us then why didn't you do that months ago?

All your opinions on Eryn. That's what they are. I'm sorry. You have to provide facts.

Why have you waited, let me think, Nov, Dec, Jan before you decide to post anything? I will discuss the stepmother's behaviour with you. It was captured on video. You can post anything that shows Eryn in a bad light? You can post anything that proves that the child is guilty?

Please, don't be shy. That's what we're here for. To debate.

Please explain to me how an 8 year old child with a Chipmunk rifle shot from the left and the right. At 2 adult men. One on the stairs and one out the front of the house (and yes the photo shows that). Multiple times according to the incredible St. John's 'police' investigation.

A criminal genius. Then he goes and spills his guts to that incredible Officer Avila.

'Tell me one more time, how many shots did you fire and where were you standing?'

Facts this person say Eryn's father was a "guest of Arizona a few times" The link says her father lived there 40 of his 48 years.
I also see nothing on record about Eryn in any trouble for anything ever.
Eryns brother got a DUI, and assault charges, GMAB! Far cry from Tiffanys sisters baby & meth charges and Tim's Drug Charges.

The Guardian Ad Litem said the best place for the boy is with his bio mother. A Guardian Ad Litem is usually pretty good at their job.
I'd need a LOT more than that post to disagree.

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 07:39 AM

I think that the fact the grandparents and Tif have not spoken out in defense of CR’s innocence speaks volumes. This is a beloved grandson, the only son of their only son. I don’t believe they have “thrown him under the bus”,

Well, the criminal genius really has done a terrific job. Killed his own father then spilled his guts to terrific Defective Avila. No, it's not a spelling mistake. Tiff is sounding more and more on the nose. Doesn't mean she had anything to do with the murders.

But poster girl for stepmother of the year?:tongueside:

Grandma Liz visits the child all the time.
I'd say moo, but it is a fact, Brewer stated she wanted daily visits at the last hearing.
Grandma Liz said "they were to hard on him" after hearing "he'd confessed". They are under the gag order, how can they speak out?

Now tiff, she has spoken volumes without saying a word. :mad:

Tiff is still a the TOP of my list.

Cherishlove

01-19-2009, 08:05 AM

Also, how do you know all about Eryn and her every move she lives in another state?

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 08:06 AM

url

You say the kid started acting out because of the marriage, well they had been together for quit some time prior so that doesn't make sense, if what you say is true seems to me he'd kill the Step Mom instead. I think his dad loved him very much, I don't think Step Mom did, but I do feel his Real Mom does and that is where he is better off now, I don't think the boy did these shootings.
I have been sitting here thinking, and you put my thoughts down almost exactly! I have to add, Tiffany spanked the child. I disagree with those actions totally! I totally agree he would have wanted her dead first if he was "a killer"!!!!

moo

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 08:15 AM

Hey GG. I know there's a lot going on here that we don't know about.

That's why it's so important that this public message board should keep discussing the case.

THE CHILD IS INNOCENT PEOPLE!!!

You should be focussing on the inept and unprofessional behaviour of the St. John's 'police' dept.
St. John's 'police' dept needs to find out who really did this....or some other, more quailfied people will.
Either way, it must be kept alive.
THE CHILD IS INNOCENT!!

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 08:16 AM

Why do people find it so hard to understand that this 8 year old child did not kill his father?

They are sick if you ask me.

JMHO! :biggrin:

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 08:32 AM

Unprofessional. I think that's the truth. Amateurs.

I don't believe they'd know a murder if it fell on top of them.

Melnick came from where? Chicago? Send him back. I don't think they'd want him
MASS. He got sued there.

The suit claims Gutwill was pressured to resign or be fired after he told town officials Melnick referred to him with racially and religiously offensive terms, such as "my token Jew" and "my token black."

Gutwill's case is one of three lawsuits pending against the town and Melnick from current or former police officers.

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/archive/x1763068519

mrrogers

01-19-2009, 08:45 AM

Must be hard to decide the boy is guilty of murder from his demeanor (I'll never forget the poster said she knew he was guilty partly due to his demeanor at the funeral ... the boy never attended the funeral) - but just call it grieving differently when it's a grown woman partying and moving right back into the house with her hubby's brains on the walls.

well the blog on http://axtonromero.blogspot.com/2008/11/tiffany-romero-in-town.html
calls tiffanys new boy friend who i heard shes engaged to "an accomplice to murder."

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 08:51 AM

Melnick was sued? For objectionable comments? Well who else would you want as police chief in St John's.

Iamm I've abb the findings of the autopsies.

The boy is 1/2 Hispanic. Think the good old chief liked him? NOT.

moo

Good_Gawd

01-19-2009, 08:58 AM

well the blog on http://axtonromero.blogspot.com/2008/11/tiffany-romero-in-town.html
calls tiffanys new boy friend who i heard shes engaged to "an accomplice to murder."

Find out if he or any of his friends has/had a white car with black rims. CR's investigator only got 3,500.00 total to work with. He needs as much help as he can get.