Saturday January 17/09 Part 2

[ellegna]

Candles for Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[Lavenia]

Martha..you have lots of intelligence and feelings and show it by being on this forum.I have lurked for some time....OK..I m addicted to this case and have just started to post.My feelings are the same as others in that I want justice for Caylee,but I am not as eloquent as some of the other members.It is a pleasure to belong to such a great group

Welcome to the board apothecary! It's great fun and very informative here.

Thanks for the new thread Ellegna!

[MissouriGMom]

Thanks, Ellegna! The other thread is getting way too long.

[CuriousJo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SavannahStar
There is no way to know who Caylee's father is by her DNA alone. There must be a comparison to a possible father. His DNA is needed as well. I'll put IMO but I'm pretty certain this is absolute fact. You cannot just look at Caylee's DNA and say, "well BINGO, the father is John Doe in Butte, Montana....."End quote.
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I think we all know that. The patholgist was discussing what info could be learned from examination of bone remains. He mentioned obtaining Caylees DNA. Of course, they already have that from a prior Paternity test run to determine whether Caseys ex-boyfriend was the father. If that had not been done, they could have used her hair found on the hairbruch. Again, they still need to run Caylees DNA against the prospective fathers....... which is usually obtained by an oral swab, if he is alive.

[playnice]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SavannahStar
There is no way to know who Caylee's father is by her DNA alone. There must be a comparison to a possible father. His DNA is needed as well. I'll put IMO but I'm pretty certain this is absolute fact. You cannot just look at Caylee's DNA and say, "well BINGO, the father is John Doe in Butte, Montana....."End quote.
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I think we all know that. The patholgist was discussing what info could be learned from examination of bone remains. He mentioned obtaining Caylees DNA. Of course, they already have that from a prior Paternity test run to determine whether Caseys ex-boyfriend was the father. If that had not been done, they could have used her hair found on the hairbruch. Again, they still need to run Caylees DNA against the prospective fathers....... which is usually obtained by an oral swab, if he is alive.

If baden is right and they do have the fathers dna wont there be a paternity record in a future doc dump?

[Lavenia]

Oh, I definitely hear what you are saying about the ones who come from such crappy backgrounds with addicted, criminal parents, siblings, nasty environment & all that garbage. It's real easy to say "well, no wonder you are a F-UP, look at your whole family, there is not a decent person in the group".

But then you find the kid who rises above it. Who comes from the same quagmire, but who grows up to rise above it. We so rarely know about them because they aren't in the criminal justice system.

And then you have the person who literally, truly, honestly came from a DECENT family. Who had parents who were reasonable, had appropriate expectations, who weren't overindulgent, who had kids before & after who turned out to be just the sort of contributing members of society we want - yet this one family member is nothing but wreckage & ruin to everyone & everything s/he touches. And then you find out, if you look further around & down the family tree - that mom or dad had a sister/brother/aunt/uncle - someone they never associated with & didn't expose their children to - who was just about the same for being a piece of crap human being. And it makes you go "hmmmmmm".

Nancy Spungeon, who was the girlfriend of Sid Vicious (& murdered by him) had a book written about her life by her mother. I wish everyone who is so convinced that it is always the fault of the parents (& most certain the mother) would read it - it is bone-chilling.

Here's the link to a synopsis of it - http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Want-Live-This-Life/dp/0449911411/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1232227812&sr=1-1

Little excerpt...

For most of us, it was just another horrible headline. But for Deborah Spungen, the mother of Nancy, who was stabbed to death at the Chelsea Hotel, it was both a relief and a tragedy. Here is the incredible story of an infant who never stopped screaming, a toddler who attacked people, a teenager addicted to drugs, violence, and easy sex, a daughter completely out of control--who almost destroyed her parents' marriage and the happiness of the rest of her family.

Brought this over from the old thread.

I agree with you about the "good" guys who overcome their poor circumstances. It really makes you wonder what it is in us that really makes us or breaks us in the face of adversity (or indulgence for that matter).

[apothecary]

Thanks for the welcome everyone:wub:

[Lavenia]

If baden is right and they do have the fathers dna wont there be a paternity record in a future doc dump?

Not if they're holding it back, playnice.

[CelticDawn]

If baden is right and they do have the fathers dna wont there be a paternity record in a future doc dump?

can you answer this...???: How does the paternity of Caylee tie into the crimminal case...???


I want the father to take charge of her remains and give her a dignified memorial and a proper resting place....but that's not a part of the crimminal case.....so if its not would that necessarily even be in the doc dumps...???

[Lavenia]

Thanks for the new thread.
I asked this on the other thread but it was the last post on the page, it was never responded to, so maybe no one saw it.

Could some one who watched Greta last night please give me a re-cap to the Tattoo artist interview.

For some reason I can't watch it.

TIA

I didn't pay attention to it witchy. Give it a few minutes for everyone to settle in over here and I bet someone will be able to answer you.

[Mimi428]

Brought this over from the old thread.

I agree with you about the "good" guys who overcome their poor circumstances. It really makes you wonder what it is in us that really makes us or breaks us in the face of adversity (or indulgence for that matter).

You are a speedy alka seltzer - you beat me to it. I was reposting with that link to the book review of "And I Don't Want To Live This Life".

Thanks!

[SavannahStar]

Quote:
Originally Posted by SavannahStar
There is no way to know who Caylee's father is by her DNA alone. There must be a comparison to a possible father. His DNA is needed as well. I'll put IMO but I'm pretty certain this is absolute fact. You cannot just look at Caylee's DNA and say, "well BINGO, the father is John Doe in Butte, Montana....."End quote.
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I think we all know that. The patholgist was discussing what info could be learned from examination of bone remains. He mentioned obtaining Caylees DNA. Of course, they already have that from a prior Paternity test run to determine whether Caseys ex-boyfriend was the father. If that had not been done, they could have used her hair found on the hairbruch. Again, they still need to run Caylees DNA against the prospective fathers....... which is usually obtained by an oral swab, if he is alive.

I answered over there......I'm not going to bother bringing it over though.....you are correct. I was perhaps misinterpreting posts. You and I agree.

[CuriousJo]

If baden is right and they do have the fathers dna wont there be a paternity record in a future doc dump?

I think this is a false story. No one can find Mr. Biden talking about this on GVS. The pathologist I mentioned was not Biden and was on NG. He did not say they knew who the baby daddy was, but that you can get Caylees DNA from her bones for a paternity test.

[SavannahStar]

If baden is right and they do have the fathers dna wont there be a paternity record in a future doc dump?


When did Baden say they have the father's DNA? Anyone got a link to that......that is not what I heard.

[Lavenia]

can you answer this...???: How does the paternity of Caylee tie into the crimminal case...???


I want the father to take charge of her remains and give her a dignified memorial and a proper resting place....but that's not a part of the crimminal case.....so if its not would that necessarily even be in the doc dumps...???

I asked that, too Celtic and it was explained to me that since this was initially a possible kidnapping and *parentS* often are the kidnappers, they may have tried to determine paternity under that theory.

[SavannahStar]

can you answer this...???: How does the paternity of Caylee tie into the crimminal case...???


I want the father to take charge of her remains and give her a dignified memorial and a proper resting place....but that's not a part of the crimminal case.....so if its not would that necessarily even be in the doc dumps...???

One thing you have to consider: the father may not want to get involved at ALL. And if he did.....I think that whole process would take months and months if not years. Caylee will be long buried by then. (He has to petition the court for paternity testing first before anything.....and THEN petition the court for her remains....IF IF IF he even wanted to, it would take forever.)

IMO.

[bluwaters]

Thanks for the new thread.
I asked this on the other thread but it was the last post on the page, it was never responded to, so maybe no one saw it.

Could some one who watched Greta last night please give me a re-cap to the Tattoo artist interview.

For some reason I can't watch it.

TIA

Hi 2witchy!
did you try this link?

Casey's Tattoo Shop & Friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzCg68Z_yM&feature=channel_page

They just say how shocking it is. How normal Casey seemed to them. How adorable Caylee was. At first the owner thought Casey was innocent. As more info came out, he changed his mind. She looks guilty to him now.

I am frustrated because, unless this clip is incomplete, Greta never asks about the Bella Vida tat and what Casey said and how she acted on that day.

[ConchGirl]

I think this is a false story. No one can find Mr. Biden talking about this on GVS. The pathologist I mentioned was not Biden and was on NG. He did not say they knew who the baby daddy was, but that you can get Caylees DNA from her bones for a paternity test.

I'm looking for it now. I know I heard him say it and I didn't think it made sense then either. I'll be back. :seeya:

[CuriousJo]

can you answer this...???: How does the paternity of Caylee tie into the crimminal case...???


I want the father to take charge of her remains and give her a dignified memorial and a proper resting place....but that's not a part of the crimminal case.....so if its not would that necessarily even be in the doc dumps...???

It would only tie in if the father was alive, and helped Casey hide the body. There was one news story about a siting in the early part of this case, where they reported seeing Casey with a guy dressed in a suit walking out of some patch of woods(?may have been by the airport?). But, probably false siting if it turns out body dumped in The Zone woods in June.

[CuriousJo]

Or if Lee was the baby dadddy, and Defense goes for sympathy or blame case to get Casey off.

[playnice]

I'm looking for it now. I know I heard him say it and I didn't think it made sense then either. I'll be back. :seeya:

It was not Ng. It was Greta just 2 or 3 days ago.

[WillowInFlight]

One thing you have to consider: the father may not want to get involved at ALL. And if he did.....I think that whole process would take months and months if not years. Caylee will be long buried by then. (He has to petition the court for paternity testing first before anything.....and THEN petition the court for her remains....IF IF IF he even wanted to, it would take forever.)

IMO.

Am I missing something, I think who the father is, is immaterial, unless of course who it is proves to be a bombshell.

[SavannahStar]

Am I missing something, I think who the father is, is immaterial, unless of course who it is proves to be a bombshell.


Oh I agree with you. I think who the father is, is totally and completely and absolutely immaterial. I've said that from the get-go. But the subject keeps coming up and coming up on here, so I just join in the conversation.......:lol:

[Lavenia]

Am I missing something, I think who the father is, is immaterial, unless of course who it is proves to be a bombshell.

I think at this point it is (immaterial). They may have wanted it in the investigation, but I don't see it as pertinent to a murder charge against Casey.

[WillowInFlight]

Or if Lee was the baby dadddy, and Defense goes for sympathy or blame case to get Casey off.

That won't get her off, she is still guilty of murder.

[Lavenia]

That won't get her off, she is still guilty of murder.

Absolutely!

[WillowInFlight]

Absolutely!

And I bet you said that in your best Casey voice, didn't ya?:tonguewag:

[Lavenia]

And I bet you said that in your best Casey voice, didn't ya?:tonguewag:

With my head spinning around and barf to complete the picture! :biggrin:

ETA: Sorry Savannah, I know you hate that icon but I had to illustrate "The Exorcist".

[PuffDragon]

I'm bringing this over because I posted it right at the end of the thread and I know it got an invisibility cloak on:

I completely agree. I wish there was more education for them and rehab, too. Many of these people are doomed to failure. They're in prison for 20 years with NO education, never SEEN a computer or cell phone, and they're put on a bus with maybe a couple of hundred bucks. Rotsa Ruck on that.

I know people get mad about TV's, free weights, commissary, etc., but the prisons have to have some kind of reward/punishment system, too. Many guys are doing LWOP and they would be completely unmanageable if you didn't have something they could lose if they don't "stay in line".

Yup. And yup. Give them skills. Give them some self-esteem. But don't give them everything, make them work for it. That's how it happens 'on the outside'. Success is what makes you feel good about yourself. Putting them back out into the world with no more (positive) skills than when they went in is a sure recipe for failure. I guess that's part of the reason for so much recidivism, the inmates are much more comfortable in a structured environment where they are already successful at navigating.

Every one of them was an adorable baby with limitless possibilities at one time. Maybe with just a little push a few can actually get there.

[MiamiNice1]

Hi 2witchy!
did you try this link?

Casey's Tattoo Shop & Friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzCg68Z_yM&feature=channel_page

They just say how shocking it is. How normal Casey seemed to them. How adorable Caylee was. At first the owner thought Casey was innocent. As more info came out, he changed his mind. She looks guilty to him now.

I am frustrated because, unless this clip is incomplete, Greta never asks about the Bella Vida tat and what Casey said and how she acted on that day.

No problem with the clip, Blu - Greta never got around to the important questions like the ones about the Bella Vida Tattoo or Casey on that day - she was in too big of a rush to question (useless) Dr. Baden and his raccoon (scattering of remains) theories. :thumbdown:


imo

[kitty1182]

Here ya'll are...I was still on the other thread......

I do think the daddy is known..

[5boxersmom]

I think at this point it is (immaterial). They may have wanted it in the investigation, but I don't see it as pertinent to a murder charge against Casey.

But early in the case what made George and Cindy so sure Zanny didn't give Caylee to her father's family? Why wasn't the paternal side of Caylee's family looked at?

jmo

[5boxersmom]

Here ya'll are...I was still on the other thread......

I do think the daddy is known..

Yep, I have heard Dr. Baden say it more then once. So have a lot of people. If you google it a lot of posters on other boards mention it also.

[CelticDawn]

One thing you have to consider: the father may not want to get involved at ALL. And if he did.....I think that whole process would take months and months if not years. Caylee will be long buried by then. (He has to petition the court for paternity testing first before anything.....and THEN petition the court for her remains....IF IF IF he even wanted to, it would take forever.)

IMO.

Yeah...I know...wishful thinking on my part about the burial...

I cant see anybody with a lick of sense wanting to get involved with these people....and that is and OBVIOUSLY was too bad for poor caylee.

[Mimi428]

I'm bringing this over because I posted it right at the end of the thread and I know it got an invisibility cloak on:



Yup. And yup. Give them skills. Give them some self-esteem. But don't give them everything, make them work for it. That's how it happens 'on the outside'. Success is what makes you feel good about yourself. Putting them back out into the world with no more (positive) skills than when they went in is a sure recipe for failure. I guess that's part of the reason for so much recidivism, the inmates are much more comfortable in a structured environment where they are already successful at navigating.

Every one of them was an adorable baby with limitless possibilities at one time. Maybe with just a little push a few can actually get there.

I think the corrections system is re-thinking the "self-esteem" workshops for inmates. The results from those years of focusing on that sort of stuff were horrifying - since what they found out was that they were teaching the sociopaths how to better con their next victims inside & outside.

But for teaching them skills, getting them literate, keeping them busy - oh YES. The corrections personnel has enough to deal with that is nasty & dangerous - when the inmates can do nothing but sit in their cells, they think up ever-increasing ways to create havoc. It is SO much better for all concerned when they can be kept busy.

As Lavenia pointed out earlier, Texas is one of those states where the corrections system is constructed so that all inmates who can work, do work. And the system works to be as self-sufficient as it can be - growing food, raising livestock, etc.

I have no idea how Florida is, but if Casey was doing time in Texas, she could look forward to being sweltering hot in the summer & cold in the winter. I don't think I have ever heard of any of the jail or prison cells being particularly climate controlled.

JMO

[Lyndawitha"Y]

No problem with the clip, Blu - Greta never got around to the important questions like the ones about the Bella Vida Tattoo or Casey on that day - she was in too big of a rush to question (useless) Dr. Baden and his raccoon (scattering of remains) theories. :thumbdown:


imo


I have come to be rather disappointed in Greta ..she has become a media TH..she has lost her initial training ( a lawyer)..She now disregards the obvious..and throws softballs at her interviewee..now, I wish that Mark Furhman had his own show..I appreciate is logic and insight..but at this point his hands are tied and he justs answers the questions MAME..!!

BTW, Greta continues to spew inaccurate info..like:..Caylee's remains were completely enclosed in that bag and continually repeated that fact to many..even Dr. Baden didnt correct her!!..Its been reported Caylee skull was outside of that bag..and why would Criminalists have a need to clear an acre of land if everything had been enclosed!!...I truly hope she corrects her mis-speak!!..She's totally baffled that critters ( Raccons) didnt move them...HELLO..Greta...please do your homework!!

LMS:ohmy::cursing:

[MiamiNice1]

Originally Posted by PROPROS

Well, she didn't just develop those annoying personality traits at 22...Dr. Jeff Gardier said ( last night) on NG, that G&C relate to Casey the way a parent would relate to a small child...All that sweetheart, I love you, thanks for choosing me, stuff comes across so hollow imo...This family seems to be all fluff and no substance.

IMO, it is either they were pussyfooting around her or going ballistic on her...IMO, all the Anthony's have bad tempers and seeing GA "coddling" Casey just seems fake too me.mo

I was reading, catching up on the last thread, and came across this great post, PROPROS, and brought it over!

[gaelicpeas]

Some posters were wondering who the gentleman was that was at the Anthony's house for Caylee's birthday (as discussed by George in the tape). Do you think it could have been Josh Duckett? JMO

[CelticDawn]

With my head spinning around and barf to complete the picture! :biggrin:

ETA: Sorry Savannah, I know you hate that icon but I had to illustrate "The Exorcist".

I believe a couple of those Anthony people are possessed....:chicken:

[read-in]

But early in the case what made George and Cindy so sure Zanny didn't give Caylee to her father's family? Why wasn't the paternal side of Caylee's family looked at?

jmo

hi boxer mom, O/T... i have a boxer too. she's my baby girl...

[SavannahStar]

Here ya'll are...I was still on the other thread......

I do think the daddy is known..

I don't think I've ever said I DIDN'T think the daddy is known......in fact just the opposite. Many a little "argument" I've gotten into with those who have posted, "oh I bet she doesn't even have a clue who the father is."

I just think it's irrelevant to the case and I believe (IMO IMO IMO for those who get upset when I say this), he wants nothing to do with Caylee now, nor did he when she was alive.

[summer4meplz]

Some posters were wondering who the gentleman was that was at the Anthony's house for Caylee's birthday (as discussed by George in the tape). Do you think it could have been Josh Duckett? JMO


that's as good a guess as any......I can't believe with the 24/7 media at their house, and ESPECIALLY on Caylee's birthday...that someone hasn't searched it out.....like Kathy Belich or Holly....or Drew or....who was that cute fox reporter.....

[WillowInFlight]

Some posters were wondering who the gentleman was that was at the Anthony's house for Caylee's birthday (as discussed by George in the tape). Do you think it could have been Josh Duckett? JMO

Not sure, I was surprised that Casey didn't ask for a name, or go ballistic, asking them what they were thinking having a stranger in their home during this time. Something tells me he wasn't that much of a stranger.

[MiamiNice1]

I have come to be rather disappointed in Greta ..she has become a media TH..she has lost her initial training ( a lawyer)..She now disregards the obvious..and throws softballs at her interviewee..now, I wish that Mark Furhman had his own show..I appreciate is logic and insight..but at this point his hands are tied and he justs answers the questions MAME..!!

BTW, Greta continues to spew inaccurate info..like:..Caylee's remains were completely enclosed in that bag and continually repeated that fact to many..even Dr. Baden didnt correct her!!..Its been reported Caylee skull was outside of that bag..and why would Criminalists have a need to clear an acre of land if everything had been enclosed!!...I truly hope she corrects her mis-speak!!..She's totally baffled that critters ( Raccons) didnt move them...HELLO..Greta...please do your homework!!

LMS:ohmy::cursing:

I agree, Lynda. GVS is off her game on this case.

Just last night, Mark Furhman was about to add a second sentence with one of his good observations and Greta had to cut him off! Argh! Then what was the point of her even having him phone in?

imo

[SavannahStar]

Some posters were wondering who the gentleman was that was at the Anthony's house for Caylee's birthday (as discussed by George in the tape). Do you think it could have been Josh Duckett? JMO

Now that's interesting.

Personally I think if it were Josh Duckett, George would have said it was Josh Duckett.

IMO it was indeed a "stranger"......probably a sympathetic "hanger on" by their house and maybe they saw him when he was outside and got into a conversation with him and then invited him in.

Who knows. It's just something else I think is pretty irrelevant and probably not even important.

I think many are so used to the Anthonys' "lies" that they think everything they say is a lie.

This could be a case of a cigar is just a cigar. A stranger who was just that.....

IMO IMO IMO. :smile:

[summer4meplz]

I don't think I've ever said I DIDN'T think the daddy is known......in fact just the opposite. Many a little "argument" I've gotten into with those who have posted, "oh I bet she doesn't even have a clue who the father is."

I just think it's irrelevant to the case and I believe (IMO IMO IMO for those who get upset when I say this), he wants nothing to do with Caylee now, nor did he when she was alive.

I think it's probably irrelevant to the case but if it's that BIG bombshell it may help her in the part after the trial when they listen to reasons her life should be spared.....

[gaelicpeas]

Not sure, I was surprised that Casey didn't ask for a name, or go ballistic, asking them what they were thinking having a stranger in their home during this time. Something tells me he wasn't that much of a stranger.

I agree. Casey's reaction made me think it was Josh. IIRC, he had been to the Anthony house early on, because I believe there is a video of him talking to Cindy (sorry, don't have the link, so JMO), plus we know Lee mentioned him in one of his jailhouse visits with Casey.

[Dunlurken]

I'm just popping in for a second. Why did Baden say they have the father's DNA? Does he know anything? If he thinks the guy who died on his way to Caylee's birthday party in a motorcycle accident, and they have exhumed the body, I think we would have heard that by now.

If he thinks Jesse Grund is the father, then he's sadly mistaken. If he has Lee and George's DNA, then it's a whole nother ball of wax. JMO.

My sick grand daughter is here, so I will be in and out. TIA.

[gaelicpeas]

Now that's interesting.

Personally I think if it were Josh Duckett, George would have said it was Josh Duckett.

IMO it was indeed a "stranger"......probably a sympathetic "hanger on" by their house and maybe they saw him when he was outside and got into a conversation with him and then invited him in.

Who knows. It's just something else I think is pretty irrelevant and probably not even important.

I think many are so used to the Anthonys' "lies" that they think everything they say is a lie.

This could be a case of a cigar is just a cigar. A stranger who was just that.....

IMO IMO IMO. :smile:

Could be. Casey's response to George telling her this was unusual though for a complete stranger, IMO. lol, but who knows!

[PuffDragon]

I think the corrections system is re-thinking the "self-esteem" workshops for inmates. The results from those years of focusing on that sort of stuff were horrifying - since what they found out was that they were teaching the sociopaths how to better con their next victims inside & outside.

<snipped for relevance>

JMO

I don't know how "self-esteem workshops" like that could possibly work. You can't teach self-esteem. But....
I was recently watching a local program that was focusing on teaching real and useful skills to inmates who were going to eventually be released. It presented a cooking school that was real training, not just cooking for the inmates. The criteria for inclusion was strict because they couldn't include everybody so they tried to sort out who would do well there. Every participant interviewed said that one of the best things about the program was how they felt about themselves, that knowing they could succeed at something made all the difference. There was also a gardening course, not a work farm but one where the participants learned about getting things to grow. They also were very positive about the program. These obviously can work when they're done right.

The trouble is, someone like Casey probably would fail at any of these programs. She just wants someone to take care of her, not to actually learn anything so that she could be independent. So the state of Florida is hopefully going to grant that wish. I'm convinced she'll adjust well and be happy there.

[Dunlurken]

um ---------------------bingo ....................!

Josh Duckett? You mean Trenton's Dad?

[gaelicpeas]

um ---------------------bingo ....................!
Do you know for sure it was Josh, or are you just agreeing?

[kitty1182]

I think it's probably irrelevant to the case but if it's that BIG bombshell it may help her in the part after the trial when they listen to reasons her life should be spared.....

I agree..imo

[trich]

can you answer this...???: How does the paternity of Caylee tie into the crimminal case...???


I want the father to take charge of her remains and give her a dignified memorial and a proper resting place....but that's not a part of the crimminal case.....so if its not would that necessarily even be in the doc dumps...???

I agree.....but I am interested in how , and why they even investigated who the father is.
Why would they have done that?

I did ask on part 1 thread if Casey's friends were all asked and gave a dna sample......does anyone know ?
Also why do you suppose they didn't believe the Anthonys' story about the dad being dead?
Aparrantly they didn't or they would not have even been concerned about looking for the dad.
I just would like to know why they even looked into it.

[CelticDawn]

Could be. Casey's response to George telling her this was unusual though for a complete stranger, IMO. lol, but who knows!

well,,,,they did kind of take in that Lois woman.....so they might do that kind of thing...."who knows?'

[5boxersmom]

hi boxer mom, O/T... i have a boxer too. she's my baby girl...

Cool. kitty has one too.

I think Casey was so frustrated because no one was believing her story and she was still stuck in jail. I really think she thought she would get away with the kidnapping story.

I would love to know what she meant when she told her mom the opportunity was there to get her out and they didn't take it. Cindy said she didn't know what she was talking about. So it had to come from Baez. Was it an interview or movie deal or something like that?

hmmmm

jmo

[read-in]

I think it's probably irrelevant to the case but if it's that BIG bombshell it may help her in the part after the trial when they listen to reasons her life should be spared.....

just how many "perfect strangers" are welcomed into homes on the birthdate of their only grand baby's... who are missing??? with the mom in jail. and just feed them and visit?? i try to be kind to all, but i dont think it sounds normal, esp... with the A'. jmho

[gaelicpeas]

Josh Duckett? You mean Trenton's Dad?

Yes...........

[WillowInFlight]

well,,,,they did kind of take in that Lois woman.....so they might do that kind of thing...."who knows?'

Not so much Lois but Dakota, Lois just came with the package.

[ellegna]

I have come to be rather disappointed in Greta ..she has become a media TH..she has lost her initial training ( a lawyer)..She now disregards the obvious..and throws softballs at her interviewee..now, I wish that Mark Furhman had his own show..I appreciate is logic and insight..but at this point his hands are tied and he justs answers the questions MAME..!!

BTW, Greta continues to spew inaccurate info..like:..Caylee's remains were completely enclosed in that bag and continually repeated that fact to many..even Dr. Baden didnt correct her!!..Its been reported Caylee skull was outside of that bag..and why would Criminalists have a need to clear an acre of land if everything had been enclosed!!...I truly hope she corrects her mis-speak!!..She's totally baffled that critters ( Raccons) didnt move them...HELLO..Greta...please do your homework!!

LMS:ohmy::cursing:

It's probably just me but I got the impression Greta has become somewhat biased since she did the Anthony home tour and that bias is now affecting the way she has been reporting this case.

[gaelicpeas]

well,,,,they did kind of take in that Lois woman.....so they might do that kind of thing...."who knows?'Good point...

[5boxersmom]

Would they have ran Caylee's DNA through CODIS to see if anyone matched for the father?

[summer4meplz]

I'm just popping in for a second. Why did Baden say they have the father's DNA? Does he know anything? If he thinks the guy who died on his way to Caylee's birthday party in a motorcycle accident, and they have exhumed the body, I think we would have heard that by now.

If he thinks Jesse Grund is the father, then he's sadly mistaken. If he has Lee and George's DNA, then it's a whole nother ball of wax. JMO.

My sick grand daughter is here, so I will be in and out. TIA.

I don't know why Dr. Baden says a lot of the things he does...like the skeleton was intact....wth? doesn't he watch the news....

[gaelicpeas]

just how many "perfect strangers" are welcomed into homes on the birthdate of their only grand baby's... who are missing??? with the mom in jail. and just feed them and visit?? i try to be kind to all, but i dont think it sounds normal, esp... with the A'. jmho
I agree, which is why I suggested it might be Josh Duckett. Others have suggested it might be the preacher or his son.

[summer4meplz]

It's probably just me but I got the impression Greta has become somewhat biased since she did the Anthony home tour and that bias is now affecting the way she has been reporting this case.


it's not just you......

[ellegna]

Would they have ran Caylee's DNA through CODIS to see if anyone matched for the father?

I wouldn't be surprised if LE/FBI did

[Lavenia]

I don't know how "self-esteem workshops" like that could possibly work. You can't teach self-esteem. But....
I was recently watching a local program that was focusing on teaching real and useful skills to inmates who were going to eventually be released. It presented a cooking school that was real training, not just cooking for the inmates. The criteria for inclusion was strict because they couldn't include everybody so they tried to sort out who would do well there. Every participant interviewed said that one of the best things about the program was how they felt about themselves, that knowing they could succeed at something made all the difference. There was also a gardening course, not a work farm but one where the participants learned about getting things to grow. They also were very positive about the program. These obviously can work when they're done right.

The trouble is, someone like Casey probably would fail at any of these programs. She just wants someone to take care of her, not to actually learn anything so that she could be independent. So the state of Florida is hopefully going to grant that wish. I'm convinced she'll adjust well and be happy there.

Puff, they've even found that traditional psychotherapy can be dangerous with these types. You're teaching them what "normal" people feel and act like and they're better able to cloak their intentions. Giving them any insight into human behavior is like giving them classes on how to blend in with the rest of us.

ETA: I was speaking to the "self-esteem workshop" part of your post, not the rest. I agree with the work/training.

[CelticDawn]

I agree.....but I am interested in how , and why they even investigated who the father is.
Why would they have done that?

I did ask on part 1 thread if Casey's friends were all asked and gave a dna sample......does anyone know ?
Also why do you suppose they didn't believe the Anthonys' story about the dad being dead?
Aparrantly they didn't or they would not have even been concerned about looking for the dad.
I just would like to know why they even looked into it.

well it is SOP in a "kidnapping" for the possibility of parents taking their children....Other than that...I dont know...as for them believing the anthonys...I wouldnt....and because it is SOP in a kidnap investigation I believe they took the closest possibilities to rule them out ...if for no other reason.

[WillowInFlight]

I wouldn't be surprised if LE/FBI did

I wonder why they feel the need to know?

[trich]

just how many "perfect strangers" are welcomed into homes on the birthdate of their only grand baby's... who are missing??? with the mom in jail. and just feed them and visit?? i try to be kind to all, but i dont think it sounds normal, esp... with the A'. jmho

Very dangerous to take a stranger into your home.
That would be the last thing on my mind when my daughter is in jail for killing my grandaughter...:sad:

[sunstar]

Hi 2witchy!
did you try this link?

Casey's Tattoo Shop & Friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzCg68Z_yM&feature=channel_page

They just say how shocking it is. How normal Casey seemed to them. How adorable Caylee was. At first the owner thought Casey was innocent. As more info came out, he changed his mind. She looks guilty to him now.

I am frustrated because, unless this clip is incomplete, Greta never asks about the Bella Vida tat and what Casey said and how she acted on that day.

Hi :) I'm just catching up with the thread, but that surprised me too when I watched her show last night. That's the part I was waiting for ~ to hear more about the tattoo she got after she claims Caylee was abducted. :shrug:

[SavannahStar]

It is my theory that these talk show hosts have been reigned in by their producers or sponsers not to be too hard on the Anthony's. I noticed this when Nancy Grace went from going ballistic about Cindy changing her story every other day to poor Cindy and George, they are grieving grandparents who need our sympathy. I also notice Greta is very gentle with the Anthony's and team Casey in all of this. There is no other explanation except that sponsers have threatened to pull their ads if they don't tone it down. That's how I am seeing it. Alot of power in those commercial ads.

Greta is always like this. She's always courteous and doesn't go into fits like NG. I can't believe any producers "reign in" anyone.....esp. Nancy. She sure doesn't ever appear "reigned in" to me. :laugh:

[WillowInFlight]

Very dangerous to take a stranger into your home.
That would be the last thing on my mind when my daughter is in jail for killing my grandaughter...:sad:

She wasn't charged with murder then.

[read-in]

Would they have ran Caylee's DNA through CODIS to see if anyone matched for the father?

O/T boxermom, how do you keep puppies warm in that weather you have??

[sunstar]

I agree, Lynda. GVS is off her game on this case.

Just last night, Mark Furhman was about to add a second sentence with one of his good observations and Greta had to cut him off! Argh! Then what was the point of her even having him phone in?

imo

I think she had a nice little walk down Hopespring Dr. with Conway and good video of where Caylee was found, but yes, I would've liked to hear more from Mark.

[CelticDawn]

I wouldn't be surprised if LE/FBI did

They would have to have some father to match to though...It doesnt work that way.....You cant just run her DNA markers through and hit on similar markers.....


DNA from caylee and casey would determine their common markers....Then they would need the father to match his....Some would overlap....no way to tell

[Lavenia]

Yesterday, someone on the board wrote that GA is now working for KFN. Is this true?

[Lavenia]

I have a good suspicion ........I happen to be very close to someone who knows Josh , and while this was not ever asked ( we just heard of it) Josh had relayed that he had spent a lot of time with that family ........I don't want to speak for Josh of course , but I don't think he thinks very highly of CASEY and I do not believe he is spending any more time with them at all ..........not for a WHILE NOW.......

Thanks for that Para. Interesting...

[gaelicpeas]

I have a good suspicion ........I happen to be very close to someone who knows Josh , and while this was not ever asked ( we just heard of it) Josh had relayed that he had spent a lot of time with that family ........I don't want to speak for Josh of course , but I don't think he thinks very highly of CASEY and I do not believe he is spending any more time with them at all ..........not for a WHILE NOW.......Okay, thanks. Makes sense...

[gaelicpeas]

Yesterday, someone on the board wrote that GA is now working for KFN. Is this true?IIRC, sometime during one of his or Cindy's media interviews a while back, I heard this. Not sure if he still is, though. JMO (sorry, no link to the interview!)

[5boxersmom]

O/T boxermom, how do you keep puppies warm in that weather you have??

Check your pm's.


So CODIS would not match up a father?

[MiamiNice1]

I think she had a nice little walk down Hopespring Dr. with Conway and good video of where Caylee was found, but yes, I would've liked to hear more from Mark.
Greta was really peppering Conway with questions, wasn't she?

I consider it a good thing to have the several different personality types covering this case. Gives us a more well-rounded perspective.

imo

[CelticDawn]

I just got here, and missed the part about why we are supposed to know who the Anthony's invite to their home. Are they not entitled to even a hint of privacy?

I think they should have some privacy.....at least there.....

Is that camera still outside their house...???
I dont care who they have over.....I feel bad for them in that respect...but THEY opened their lives up to the public....with their own set of lies...and the demand that us maggots get off our butts ....etc etal......



It was brought up in the tape....Someone they had voer for caylees birthday .....the Chili meal?....The chili that POOOOOOR CASEEEE missed....???

[CelticDawn]

casey wasn't in jail for killing cindy's grandaughter at the time of caylee's birthday. She was in jail for the allegations of economic crimes. The grandparents had that birthday party in the belief that their grandaughter was still alive.

Imo

imo moo mo etc.....they knew she was dead ...

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I'm just popping in for a second. Why did Baden say they have the father's DNA? Does he know anything? If he thinks the guy who died on his way to Caylee's birthday party in a motorcycle accident, and they have exhumed the body, I think we would have heard that by now.

If he thinks Jesse Grund is the father, then he's sadly mistaken. If he has Lee and George's DNA, then it's a whole nother ball of wax. JMO.

My sick grand daughter is here, so I will be in and out. TIA.

Dunnie..I have come to be somewhat skepticle of the likes of M Baden ( Mr. Ah..haa man) and H. Lee ( Mr. Postit loser) and truly think his assertions of facts like this as rather suspect...First it makes no never mind who pappa dearest is of Caylee..He was never involved in Caylee's life...as much as LE has to rule out things like this..there is no value to this fact (IMO)..

In the past few years I have become so dis-allusioned with previous respected experts..and Talkshow peeps..I now look threw a very narrow viewpoint..and wish to confirm their assertions before I put any credibility to them!!

Jesse was ruled out already a daddy..tho to him it made no never mind..but I just wonder if the father really knows he IS THE FATHER..given Casey's "activities"..YIKES BTW..I dont believe fore ne minute that the bilogical father died in any car accident..Nope!!

LMS

[WillowInFlight]

imo moo mo etc.....they knew she was dead ...

Yes I believe they knew too.

[ccat]

I disagree.

Cindy & George have known Caylee is dead since July 15th.

Maybe sooner than that.

Yes, ITA. They wanted to keep everyone looking for a live Caylee. That would provide ample time for decomposition of a body and evidence, as well as the decomposition of the state's case, or so they thought.

They must be worn out from playing all these games!

[CelticDawn]

LOL , you guys feel free to call me troll,I don't mind . I don't know what para is myself :thumbsup: I have learned what a troll is though ....and I admit to being a troll. I am a nit an ugly troll though , hope that helps.

Youre not a troll....You bring up some interesting points...!!!

[Lavenia]

Ohhh Sharkie!

I found a quote for you:

A spokeswoman for Kid Finders has taken issue with recent reports that they have not actually found a missing child. She said they do things to raise awareness like print up fliers and T-shirts and billboards. She said that it is very possible that their efforts have helped find missing children.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html

Feint praise indeed, eh?

(It's very possible I'll wash my car today. :lol:)

[ellegna]

They would have to have some father to match to though...It doesnt work that way.....You cant just run her DNA markers through and hit on similar markers.....


DNA from caylee and casey would determine their common markers....Then they would need the father to match his....Some would overlap....no way to tell

I'm aware of that but who's to say LE didn't have samples?
There's always the possibility that some of Casey's male friends who were interviewed volunteered their DNA. Also. Why was LE so determined to get Lee's DNA?

[WillowInFlight]

If they didn't want people to talk about it, then he probably shouldn't have brought it up.

Can anyone tell me whether the very first jailhouse tapes were made public before this August 14th tape?? IIRC- they were, so the Anthony's were well aware that more than likely this "conversation" would make public eyes and ears - people thrive on mystery, so he created a mystery that people want to solve. IMOO

Cindy was the one that whispered it in his ear, and he said oh your mother just reminded me.....................

IMO Cindy wanted Casey to know.

[gaelicpeas]

BRAVO to you though ,that was a very good observation and thought!

Thanks - I actually woke up in the middle of the night with that thought. I had several other thoughts, too, at the same time having something to do with Cindy, but I can't remember them!

(btw, "para" is a prefix that means "similar to" or "resembling", among other things)

[Lavenia]

LOL , you guys feel free to call me troll,I don't mind . I don't know what para is myself :thumbsup: I have learned what a troll is though ....and I admit to being a troll. I am a nit an ugly troll though , hope that helps.

Let's compromise and I'll call you PT? :wink:

[WillowInFlight]

How could they not?

JMO

I wonder if they ever questioned Casey about what was dead in her trunk, since both of them knew the car smelled like death.

[CelticDawn]

I'm aware of that but who's to say LE didn't have samples?
There's always the possibility that some of Casey's male friends who were interviewed volunteered their DNA. Also. Why was LE so determined to get Lee's DNA?

Maybre there was unknown DNA at one of the crime scenes...??? between the cartrunk, house,...and the recovery site....<are there any more associated scenes?> they have to either include or rule out all direct family members....among other things.......


anybody?????

[WillowInFlight]

And I'll agree with that- it still makes fact that they knew the world and the LE would be watching- so what is Cindys' point to saying that? IMO

Cindy was probably being spiteful, Yeah Casey you didn't make it to Caylee's birthday dinner, but we did invite a stranger.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

It's probably just me but I got the impression Greta has become somewhat biased since she did the Anthony home tour and that bias is now affecting the way she has been reporting this case.

Foregive me ellegna, but Greta has ben doing the waffling for sometime now...I think if you look back on how she handled the Natalie Holloway Case and her interviews with the devil encarnant..She just doesnt ask hard questions..and if she does..she back peddles then goes on to portray innacuracies..

I got hooked on her back during the Original OJ case..but have lost faith in her agenda..

i dont even like how she soft soaped alot of Drew Peterson's case either..she dropped it like a hot potatoe when she could not be positive about his innocence...

LMS:blushing:

[ccat]

They knew from the 911 call.. "Smells like a dead body in the damn car".. My granddaughter has been missing for 31 days.

Yes, they have known for a long time she was dead. But they don't want to lose their daughter. They might feel somewhat guilty for saying harsh things to her during the fight. Maybe they feel, "Well, she wouldn't have killed Caylee if we hadn't said..."
SO, they help Casey along with her lies.

[sunstar]

Greta was really peppering Conway with questions, wasn't she?

I consider it a good thing to have the several different personality types covering this case. Gives us a more well-rounded perspective.

imo

Yes she was! :) I'm grateful for the coverage she does have. She brings out some different things from what Nancy discusses, imo.

[CelticDawn]

Gotta just add that I do not think they KNEW then, but I think they were racked with all sorts of bad thoughts and did not know what to believe., but of course wanted to believe the BEST scenario............of course they know it now.

I have kids.....and I would want desperately to believe the better....I try to put myself in their shoes....I try to give everyone common human empathy.....no matter how wrong I think they are.....I really cant say that I wouldnt be the same way as c?indy.....but I hope I never find out.

[Ionmhainn]

Gotta just add that I do not think they KNEW then, but I think they were racked with all sorts of bad thoughts and did not know what to believe., but of course wanted to believe the BEST scenario............of course they know it now.


I agree, "fearing" something might be true isn't the same as "knowing." imo

[Lavenia]

I liked Greta's interview with Conway walking down Hopespring.. What struck me funny, is why doesn't he have a motorized wheelchair. His arms had to be sore wheeling that far to the crime scene and back.

I can only speak for myself, but I fight every step of disability there is. If I were as disabled as he is and I could roll myself, I would because I know one day I may wish to heaven I could again. Take advantage of working body parts while you can, IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Gotta just add that I do not think they KNEW then, but I think they were racked with all sorts of bad thoughts and did not know what to believe., but of course wanted to believe the BEST scenario............of course they know it now.

That is exactly what I believe as well.

[Lavenia]

Maybre there was unknown DNA at one of the crime scenes...??? between the cartrunk, house,...and the recovery site....<are there any more associated scenes?> they have to either include or rule out all direct family members....among other things.......


anybody?????

I can see that scenario. Casey's car was Lee's at one time. I'm sure it's teeming with his DNA. I'm sure most everything from the house is.

[SavannahStar]

Where I come from, I think of a concrete paver, as brick type stuff that surrounds a garden area or something similiar. Lots of little bugs hide under them. How is it even possible to hide a human body under a paver? Do they have human sized pavers in areas east of the Mississippi?
Please Exiled.....say "spew alert" before posting something like that. :lol::lol::lol:

[WillowInFlight]

I'm pretty sure the answer to that would be...........No.
I don't think they ever asked Inmate Anthony anything that was purtenant(sp) to Caylee being deceased.

JMO

I guess they didn't want answers that bad.

[CelticDawn]

Sure.

Grandparents around the world peek under concrete pavers looking for a live two year old. Its happening everywhere.



??? I gotta wrap my head around this one....UNDER pavers and LIVE just dont compute....

[SavannahStar]

I can only speak for myself, but I fight every step of disability there is. If I were as disabled as he is and I could roll myself, I would because I know one day I may wish to heaven I could again. Take advantage of working body parts while you can, IMO.


What a sweet thing to say. Also.....I think he is well used to it by now, he probably has a lot more strength in his arms than any of us do. No doubt he could get a motorized wheelchair if he cared to, but apparently he does not.

[sunstar]

I wonder if they ever questioned Casey about what was dead in her trunk, since both of them knew the car smelled like death.

I get the impression they just don't question Casey much about anything unless they want to bring on a temper tantrum. Casey probably told them it was the dead squirrels and pizza. MOO

[gaelicpeas]

Where I live if you lift a paver, you're gonna find a bunch of roly poly bugs. They are not scary at all. They roll up into a ball and don't bother anyone.My guess is they were looking for evidence of fresh digging. JMO

[CelticDawn]

I can only speak for myself, but I fight every step of disability there is. If I were as disabled as he is and I could roll myself, I would because I know one day I may wish to heaven I could again. Take advantage of working body parts while you can, IMO.

I agree with you....although my disability symptoms come and go....I have to make myself not get in the chair I was bought when I became ill.....I have to make myself go for walks when I get so exhausted I have to rest....I dont want to give up anything that I can do on my on....for myself....


conway probably feels the same way....and keeping any strength in any part of his body that has strength is very important.

[Lavenia]

I have kids.....and I would want desperately to believe the better....I try to put myself in their shoes....I try to give everyone common human empathy.....no matter how wrong I think they are.....I really cant say that I wouldnt be the same way as c?indy.....but I hope I never find out.

Agreed. I have seen EXTREME cases of denial that would put the A's to shame so I'm not all the way there yet with them. I don't care for their personalities, or what they've done, particularly, but I can't ignore how many people in their shoes behave the same way. Luckily we don't have to convict them yet so I'll wait until more info is in. :tonguewag:

[sunstar]

I can only speak for myself, but I fight every step of disability there is. If I were as disabled as he is and I could roll myself, I would because I know one day I may wish to heaven I could again. Take advantage of working body parts while you can, IMO.

If only everyone had the same attitude as you and apparently Mr. Conway do. :) Too often I see people taking the easier way. MOO

[?noanswer]

Thanks for the new thread.
I asked this on the other thread but it was the last post on the page, it was never responded to, so maybe no one saw it.

Could some one who watched Greta last night please give me a re-cap to the Tattoo artist interview.

For some reason I can't watch it.

TIA


He basically said KC seemed to be a good mother. Said Caylee had been in with her and was an adorable little girl. Said they are like most people when the next door neighbor does something unbelievable. Say they would never have dreamed the person was like that. Something about with every thing that has happened since, KC is a totally different person than she portrayed herself to be. None of this is a quote, just kinda a recap. JMO

[ellegna]

Foregive me ellegna, but Greta has ben doing the waffling for sometime now...I think if you look back on how she handled the Natalie Holloway Case and her interviews with the devil encarnant..She just doesnt ask hard questions..and if she does..she back peddles then goes on to portray innacuracies..

I got hooked on her back during the Original OJ case..but have lost faith in her agenda..

i dont even like how she soft soaped alot of Drew Peterson's case either..she dropped it like a hot potatoe when she could not be positive about his innocence...

LMS:blushing:

Hi Lynda

Thanks.....I haven't watched Greta since the OJ trial and just recently started to watch her show. I wasn't aware she was in the habit of soft soaping. I am now :biggrin:

[gaelicpeas]

I think when George said that the body in the back of the car wasn't his grandaughter, it is because Casey told her parents it was someone else in the back of her car. Part of her kidnapping story.
Interesting... whose body do you think she suggested?

[Lavenia]

I agree with you....although my disability symptoms come and go....I have to make myself not get in the chair I was bought when I became ill.....I have to make myself go for walks when I get so exhausted I have to rest....I dont want to give up anything that I can do on my on....for myself....


conway probably feels the same way....and keeping any strength in any part of his body that has strength is very important.

Mine come and go, too. I'm afraid ya'll will think I'm drunk on here sometimes because part of my symptoms consists of poor spelling, bad word recall, extra poor memory, etc. I PROMISE, I'm NEVER drunk.

I agree that Conway is taking advantage of his strength. That helps you feel some control over your illness and self-esteem, IMO.

[?noanswer]

I think this is a false story. No one can find Mr. Biden talking about this on GVS. The pathologist I mentioned was not Biden and was on NG. He did not say they knew who the baby daddy was, but that you can get Caylees DNA from her bones for a paternity test.

Baden did say that just a few days ago on GVS. He said they know who the daddy is. He could have meant to say something else, but that is exactly what he said. Maybe they changed it in the transcripts, but he said it. My mouth dropped open. JMO

[Lavenia]

Baden did say that just a few days ago on GVS. He said they know who the daddy is. He could have meant to say something else, but that is exactly what he said. Maybe they changed it in the transcripts, but he said it. My mouth dropped open. JMO

YOUR SIG LINE! :thumbsup::lol::lol:

[read-in]

I can only speak for myself, but I fight every step of disability there is. If I were as disabled as he is and I could roll myself, I would because I know one day I may wish to heaven I could again. Take advantage of working body parts while you can, IMO.

so very true Lavenia:smile:

[5boxersmom]

Does anyone remember Greta walking through the park where Chandra Levy disappeared before she was found? I think she did. I was thinking about that last night when she was wondering how the MR could have saw something and there was searches and no one saw anything. The same thing happen with CL didn't it?

[gaelicpeas]

Mine come and go, too. I'm afraid ya'll will think I'm drunk on here sometimes because part of my symptoms consists of poor spelling, bad word recall, extra poor memory, etc. I PROMISE, I'm NEVER drunk.

I agree that Conway is taking advantage of his strength. That helps you feel some control over your illness and self-esteem, IMO.Good point about control over disability and self-esteem. I remember wanting to help an older relative all the time with things like getting out of a car, and he would always say no, I need to do this for myself.

And no, I have never thought you were drunk on here (something I am not sure I could claim) and I love your posts... very informative, especially with regards to conditions in prison from your nursing experience... and you also have a great sense of humor! Kudos to you, Lavenia!

[seeing_eye]

I have come to be rather disappointed in Greta ..she has become a media TH..she has lost her initial training ( a lawyer)..She now disregards the obvious..and throws softballs at her interviewee..now, I wish that Mark Furhman had his own show..I appreciate is logic and insight..but at this point his hands are tied and he justs answers the questions MAME..!!

BTW, Greta continues to spew inaccurate info..like:..Caylee's remains were completely enclosed in that bag and continually repeated that fact to many..even Dr. Baden didnt correct her!!..Its been reported Caylee skull was outside of that bag..and why would Criminalists have a need to clear an acre of land if everything had been enclosed!!...I truly hope she corrects her mis-speak!!..She's totally baffled that critters ( Raccons) didnt move them...HELLO..Greta...please do your homework!!

LMS:ohmy::cursing:

I've been noticing the same thing about Greta - she's almost as inaccurate as Geraldo. But the reason Dr. Baden didn't correct her is because he also believes the bones were intact in the bag.

I've been thinking about this and I believe I may have figured out why they all think this. I think I recall Dr. G saying they had recovered all or most of the skeletal remains and maybe they took that to mean the entire skeleton had been found all in the bag. They obviously didn't hear the reports of the small, tiny bones found in various places by sifting the dirt and the "significant amount" of bones found on the perimeter of the search area during the last days of the search.

Or am I the one imagining all this?

[read-in]

Does anyone remember Greta walking through the park where Chandra Levy disappeared before she was found? I think she did. I was thinking about that last night when she was wondering how the MR could have saw something and there was searches and no one saw anything. The same thing happen with CL didn't it?

If i remember right, they went over the same area's several times, again and again... took a complete stranger off the beaten path ( normal jogging place ) to just happen upon the remains... sooo sadddd.

[Lavenia]

Good point about control over disability and self-esteem. I remember wanting to help an older relative all the time with things like getting out of a car, and he would always say no, I need to do this for myself.

And no, I have never thought you were drunk on here (something I am not sure I could claim) and I love your posts... very informative, especially with regards to conditions in prison from your nursing experience... and you also have a great sense of humor! Kudos to you, Lavenia!

Thank you very much gaelicpeas! I appreciate the warm thoughts and I appreciate everyone who read and/or responded to my post. :seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

Anybody other than Caylee.Oh okay, I thought you had knowledge of some other scenario. The two we have heard (#1 - Casey dropped Caylee off with nanny at Sawgrass Apts and never saw her again; #2 - nanny and sister knocked Casey down at Blanchard Park and took off with Caylee) mention nothing about someone else's body being in Casey's trunk. JMO

[Lavenia]

Oh okay, I thought you had knowledge of some other scenario. The two we have heard (#1 - Casey dropped Caylee off with nanny at Sawgrass Apts and never saw her again; #2 - nanny and sister knocked Casey down at Blanchard Park and took off with Caylee) mention nothing about someone else's body being in Casey's trunk. JMO

You forget the mysterious body that was placed in her trunk at the tow yard and taken out before the A's picked the car up. :rolleyes:

[gaelicpeas]

I've been noticing the same thing about Greta - she's almost as inaccurate as Geraldo. But the reason Dr. Baden didn't correct her is because he also believes the bones were intact in the bag.

I've been thinking about this and I believe I may have figured out why they all think this. I think I recall Dr. G saying they had recovered all or most of the skeletal remains and maybe they took that to mean the entire skeleton had been found all in the bag. They obviously didn't hear the reports of the small, tiny bones found in various places by sifting the dirt and the "significant amount" of bones found on the perimeter of the search area during the last days of the search.

Or am I the one imagining all this?
Sounds logical.

[flipflop]

You forget the mysterious body that was placed in her trunk at the tow yard and taken out before the A's picked the car up. :rolleyes:


Wait....in a locked trunk, at that.

[gaelicpeas]

Thank you very much gaelicpeas! I appreciate the warm thoughts and I appreciate everyone who read and/or responded to my post. :seeya:You're welcome. Plus, disability or not, we will all one day be old and will have to deal with difficulties walking, etc... so I think your thoughts are good advice for all of us!

[gaelicpeas]

You forget the mysterious body that was placed in her trunk at the tow yard and taken out before the A's picked the car up. :rolleyes:lol - oh yeah, I forgot about that theory of Cindy's.

[aubrey04]

Hi 2witchy!
did you try this link?

Casey's Tattoo Shop & Friends
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRzCg68Z_yM&feature=channel_page

They just say how shocking it is. How normal Casey seemed to them. How adorable Caylee was. At first the owner thought Casey was innocent. As more info came out, he changed his mind. She looks guilty to him now.

I am frustrated because, unless this clip is incomplete, Greta never asks about the Bella Vida tat and what Casey said and how she acted on that day.

disregard - I see the names... forget the rest of this post.. thanks for the link.

[CelticDawn]

Thank you very much gaelicpeas! I appreciate the warm thoughts and I appreciate everyone who read and/or responded to my post. :seeya:

I always look for your take on things.....



anyway.....sometimes I think this case needs to be divided into all of its different rings <like the circus that it is>....when Im totally lost I try to go to this whos who site to figure that part out..

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/ and just hope its accurate

[gaelicpeas]

disregard - I see the names... forget the rest of this post.. thanks for the link.

Do we know who these guys are? That doesn't look like the Lake Vaje guy -- what was his name? Sean Daly?
I didn't catch their names, Aubrey. But, IIRC, there were 2 Daly brothers - Sean and Jonathan, I believe. So maybe this was Jonathan? No idea who the other 2 guys were. All 3 of them were...... um.... interesting, though (trying to be nice). JMO

[gaelicpeas]

I always look for your take on things.....



anyway.....sometimes I think this case needs to be divided into all of its different rings <like the circus that it is>....when Im totally lost I try to go to this whos who site to figure that part out..

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/ and just hope its accurate
This is also a good site:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcripts.htm

[trich]

I've been noticing the same thing about Greta - she's almost as inaccurate as Geraldo. But the reason Dr. Baden didn't correct her is because he also believes the bones were intact in the bag.

I've been thinking about this and I believe I may have figured out why they all think this. I think I recall Dr. G saying they had recovered all or most of the skeletal remains and maybe they took that to mean the entire skeleton had been found all in the bag. They obviously didn't hear the reports of the small, tiny bones found in various places by sifting the dirt and the "significant amount" of bones found on the perimeter of the search area during the last days of the search.

Or am I the one imagining all this?

Well I was under the impression that Baden had seen the forensic reports ...if that is so he should know what is truth and what is fiction.
Maybe he prefers fiction.

[CelticDawn]

This is also a good site:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcripts.htm

thanks. :wub:

[MichelleP]

Defamation or "defamation of character," is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's reputation.

If a person or the news media says or writes something about you that harms your reputation, or that keeps people from associating with you, defamation has occurred. Slander is oral defamation, and libel is written defamation.

If you have been harmed by the defamatory remarks or statements of another, seek the advice of a libel and slander attorney in your area.


Where does it say there has to be any intent on Casey's part? Well point it out.

http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/florida-defamation-law

Please point it out where you see "there has to be intent on HER PERSON". Thank you.

Brought over from the other discussion with troll. I just saw why you think there needs to be intent.

"In Florida, a private figure plaintiff bringing a defamation lawsuit generally must prove that the defendant was at least negligent with respect to the truth or falsity of the allegedly defamatory statements. Public officials, all-purpose public figures, and limited-purpose public figures must prove that the defendant acted with actual malice, i.e., knowing that the statements were false or recklessly disregarding their falsity. See the general page on actual malice and negligence for details on these standards. "

But to ZFG that doesn't apply because she isn't a public figure and she isn't a public official.

There is the other link so you don't have to go over to the other topic Troll. http://injury-law.freeadvice.com/libel_and_slander/defamation_character.htm

[Lavenia]

Wait....in a locked trunk, at that.

You solved it! They need to find the *locksmith* that put a body in the trunk in the Tow Yard for a few days! :lol:

[Lavenia]

I always look for your take on things.....



anyway.....sometimes I think this case needs to be divided into all of its different rings <like the circus that it is>....when Im totally lost I try to go to this whos who site to figure that part out..

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/ and just hope its accurate

Thanks CD! That seems like a good site. We all need "cheat sheets" to keep this all unraveled, lol.

[sunstar]

Well I was under the impression that Baden had seen the forensic reports ...if that is so he should know what is truth and what is fiction.
Maybe he prefers fiction.

Well, his wife is on the defense team! :wink:

[trich]

I would think for benefits and child support that they would know also. casey is going to steal from everyone under the son but let's not go get money from someone who would owe it to caylee, in Caseys mind the money would be hers, of course- but still she gave up child support and if deceased- she gave of SSI. IMOO

Exactly and those are some of the reasons that I still believe Casey does not know who the father is.( or should I say didn't)
come to think of it...if the LE does know do you think they will tell her?
I also think she may have made up that story for Cindy and George (about the dad being dead) and they chose to believe it instead of
believing she had sex with multiple partners and did not know which of them could have fathered her child.

[sammielizabe]

If baden is right and they do have the fathers dna wont there be a paternity record in a future doc dump?

I'm thinking it hasn't been released by ANYONE, because it might be detrimental to the prosecutions case, and very detrimental to the Anthony's so-called "image"...IMO...Alot more than normal has been leaked in this case, why not this detail??

[aubrey04]

Ohhh Sharkie!

I found a quote for you:

A spokeswoman for Kid Finders has taken issue with recent reports that they have not actually found a missing child. She said they do things to raise awareness like print up fliers and T-shirts and billboards. She said that it is very possible that their efforts have helped find missing children.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html

Feint praise indeed, eh?

(It's very possible I'll wash my car today. :lol:)

You've got to be kidding me. They are trying to claim their posters and billboards might have led the discovery of Caylee's body? ha. Yeah right.

I am like this ===> :lol: right now.

[Lavenia]

Yeah. I bookmarked it.

For the trial.

:thumbup:

The trial. Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? :biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

yes.................Good Lord! sorry for chiming in so late. Bath for grand daughter, hair washing, dinner, etc.

Josh Duckett? Does anyone have a link, or is this rumor? JMO.

[texski]

could this stranger invited to the birthday dinner be caylees father???? the one they dont mention, and also tell different tales about . at one time on this board i read that cindy had said he gave them a trust fund for her.

[Lavenia]

You've got to be kidding me. They are trying to claim their posters and billboards might have led the discovery of Caylee's body? ha. Yeah right.

I am like this ===> :lol: right now.

Just like I might wash my car today. Oh shoot! It's dark outside. Can't wash the car. :wink:

[CelticDawn]

You've got to be kidding me. They are trying to claim their posters and billboards might have led the discovery of Caylee's body? ha. Yeah right.

I am like this ===> :lol: right now.


I cant even BEGIN to express the amount of PURE UNADULTERATED CONTEMPT I have for those <IMO> crimminals.....

IMO they have perpetrated a fraud on the public and on anyone with a missing child.


<and now my hubbie is watching Lawrence Welk.....this has got to cease!!!>

[aubrey04]

My guess is they were looking for evidence of fresh digging. JMO

That's what I think too. Of course a body wouldn't fit between the paver and the earth.. but the paver could have been used to mask a freshly dug grave.

I think that's exactly why George and Cindy went and looked under the pavers.. what other reason would they do that after learning Caylee was missing? You don't have to be a genius to figure that one out. You just have to have some common sense..

jmo

[Dunlurken]

Guess Josh is the next person to file a defamation of character charge. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Good Lord! sorry for chiming in so late. Bath for grand daughter, hair washing, dinner, etc.

Josh Duckett? Does anyone have a link, or is this rumor? JMO.
It is 100% speculation only, on here.

[ellegna]

Ohhh Sharkie!

I found a quote for you:

A spokeswoman for Kid Finders has taken issue with recent reports that they have not actually found a missing child. She said they do things to raise awareness like print up fliers and T-shirts and billboards. She said that it is very possible that their efforts have helped find missing children.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18018095/detail.html

Feint praise indeed, eh?

(It's very possible I'll wash my car today. :lol:)

Ahhhhhh....that might explain the new service they added to their web site. Search and Recovery. Check out all the equipment they have at their disposal now
http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/Search-Recovery.html

[Dunlurken]

It is 100% speculation only, on here.

Thanks. I have to log off. Later peeps!

[Lavenia]

Guess Josh is the next person to file a defamation of character charge. JMO.

It is purely rumor. Anyway, I doubt that Josh would get any damages in a suit that says he was accused of eating chili with the Anthonys.

[Lavenia]

Ahhhhhh....that might explain the new service they added to their web site. Search and Recovery. Check out all the equipment they have at their disposal now
http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/Search-Recovery.html

Cha Ching! $$$$$$

[shelbar53]

Wait....in a locked trunk, at that.

Thats right, I remember that. something scratches being on the trunk that werent there before like someone tried to pry it open.

evening everyone

[CelticDawn]

I cant imagine anybody wanting it known that they were socializing with these folks....If it si Josh...Im sure he hopes it is hushed up...

Its just not a good group with which tio be associated right now.

[aubrey04]

disregard - I see the names... forget the rest of this post.. thanks for the link.

Actually I figured out who each one is. Danny Knight is the one who was talking the most. Lance White is the one on the right... and the guy in the middle - the black guy named Bobby Williams - is the one who gave Casey her tattoos.

[aubrey04]

Guess Josh is the next person to file a defamation of character charge. JMO.

defemation because someone thought he might have been at the Anthony home? C'mon. You can't be serious.

[SavannahStar]

It is purely rumor. Anyway, I doubt that Josh would get any damages in a suit that says he was accused of eating chili with the Anthonys.


OOpsie, another spew alert. That was funny, Lavenia. :laugh:

[ellegna]

It is 100% speculation only, on here.

Maybe? Maybe not
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/COLLECTIONBOX/CASEY%20ANTHONY%20COLLECTION%20BOX%20CONTINUED/e9593398.jpg

[Lavenia]

Thats right, I remember that. something scratches being on the trunk that werent there before like someone tried to pry it open.

evening everyone

Hey shelbar! :seeya: I'm glad you have your old name back!

The scratches. Cindy didn't attribute them to the tow yard body switch, did she?

[SavannahStar]

Maybe? Maybe not
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/COLLECTIONBOX/CASEY%20ANTHONY%20COLLECTION%20BOX%20CONTINUED/e9593398.jpg

I've seen that photo; I know the Anthonys have had contact with Josh Duckett. Now how do you go from THAT to him being the stranger they had for dinner that night? Sheesh it could have been Nancy Grace I guess....as long as we're speculating...:lol:

Well I get it. The Anthonys said they invited a stranger in. The Anthonys lie. Therefore it could NOT have been a stranger. It must have been Josh Duckett. Or....hey, what about this? Maybe since they lie, it was a lie that ANYONE ate dinner with them.

I guess it's all good.....just a guessing game.

[shelbar53]

Hey shelbar! :seeya: I'm glad you have your old name back!

The scratches. Cindy didn't attribute them to the tow yard body switch, did she?

yes she did...the dead body switcheroo. yes, its good to be back

[playnice]

Maybe it was the president of Caseys fan club-stalker boy.

[Neffy]

I've seen that photo; I know the Anthonys have had contact with Josh Duckett. Now how do you go from THAT to him being the stranger they had for dinner that night? Sheesh it could have been Nancy Grace I guess....as long as we're speculating...:lol:

Well I get it. The Anthonys said they invited a stranger in. The Anthonys lie. Therefore it could NOT have been a stranger. It must have been Josh Duckett. Or....hey, what about this? Maybe since they lie, it was a lie that ANYONE ate dinner with them.

I guess it's all good.....just a guessing game.

I thought it was a really good speculation.

It's not like someone took a leap to insist Caylee's father always knew about her, ditched her refusing to pay child support and remains in hiding.

[gaelicpeas]

thanks. :wub:You're welcome. It amazes me that there are people out there who put so much time into these sites. They are very helpful, IMO.

[shelbar53]

whats the lastest regrading cindy getting charged with something.
Lastest I heard she isnt going to be charged, then the very latest is she might be charged. anyone know?

I think its speculation from greta's show last nite about LE being at the house and cindy saying things are not good. but conway says it has nothing to so with the case.

[seeing_eye]

Well I was under the impression that Baden had seen the forensic reports ...if that is so he should know what is truth and what is fiction.
Maybe he prefers fiction.

How or why would Dr. Baden see the forensic reports? He isn't connected to the case in any way -- except through marriage to one of Casey's attorneys. And I recall him maintaining that he and his wife never discuss her work.

Or has the defense hired him too?

[gaelicpeas]

Exactly and those are some of the reasons that I still believe Casey does not know who the father is.( or should I say didn't)
come to think of it...if the LE does know do you think they will tell her?
I also think she may have made up that story for Cindy and George (about the dad being dead) and they chose to believe it instead of
believing she had sex with multiple partners and did not know which of them could have fathered her child.
Could be. Of course, there is also the possibility that the father died from some other cause. JMO JMO

[daHawg]

Ahhhhhh....that might explain the new service they added to their web site. Search and Recovery. Check out all the equipment they have at their disposal now
http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/Search-Recovery.html

You know that page has been up since Tim Miller left a small team in Florida to do small scale searches and he said they were going to be working with other organizations locally and this was when Nejames was the A's atty at the time and was having meetings with TM and all. Who is now TM atty. What I am trying to say is I think that KFN jumped the gun when they put that up on their site indirectly listing TM's resources without naming him or his organization and they did not get the big hook up they were hoping for with TM. This is just my take and JMO but I did see that page go up back when TM was here in Nov. I hope my post made sense.

[playnice]

whats the lastest regrading cindy getting charged with something.
Lastest I heard she isnt going to be charged, then the very latest is she might be charged. anyone know?

I think its speculation from greta's show last nite about LE being at the house and cindy saying things are not good. but conway says it has nothing to so with the case.

We were wondering last night if they got DC phone records now and wanted to ask some questions? Maybe next week the media will have something on it.

[Neffy]

How or why would Dr. Baden see the forensic reports? He isn't connected to the case in any way -- except through marriage to one of Casey's attorneys. And I recall him maintaining that he and his wife never discuss her work.

Or has the defense hired him too?

I'm waiting for him to slip and say something about the photo's. I hope the State is there to catch him when he does.

[gaelicpeas]

could this stranger invited to the birthday dinner be caylees father???? the one they dont mention, and also tell different tales about . at one time on this board i read that cindy had said he gave them a trust fund for her.
Could be. If that is true, then I don't think it was Josh Duckett. Too many degrees of separation for this mind to comprehend!

[gaelicpeas]

That's what I think too. Of course a body wouldn't fit between the paver and the earth.. but the paver could have been used to mask a freshly dug grave.

I think that's exactly why George and Cindy went and looked under the pavers.. what other reason would they do that after learning Caylee was missing? You don't have to be a genius to figure that one out. You just have to have some common sense..

jmoYup, common sense helps.

[CelticDawn]

I've seen that photo; I know the Anthonys have had contact with Josh Duckett. Now how do you go from THAT to him being the stranger they had for dinner that night? Sheesh it could have been Nancy Grace I guess....as long as we're speculating...:lol:

Well I get it. The Anthonys said they invited a stranger in. The Anthonys lie. Therefore it could NOT have been a stranger. It must have been Josh Duckett. Or....hey, what about this? Maybe since they lie, it was a lie that ANYONE ate dinner with them.

I guess it's all good.....just a guessing game.

:lol: maybe it was her cue to go into her Bible quotes...:lol:

[gaelicpeas]

Guess Josh is the next person to file a defamation of character charge. JMO.I was not suggesting that Josh Duckett was in any way connected to Caylee's murder. I was just suggesting that he might have been the "visitor" at her birthday time. JMO

[aubrey04]

Maybe it was the president of Caseys fan club-stalker boy.

Kalani Bowles is his name. And you could be right.. :shrug:

[gaelicpeas]

It is purely rumor. Anyway, I doubt that Josh would get any damages in a suit that says he was accused of eating chili with the Anthonys.
lol... almost lost my soda on that one...

[CelticDawn]

You know that page has been up since Tim Miller left a small team in Florida to do small scale searches and he said they were going to be working with other organizations locally and this was when Nejames was the A's atty at the time and was having meetings with TM and all. Who is now TM atty. What I am trying to say is I think that KFN jumped the gun when they put that up on their site indirectly listing TM's resources without naming him or his organization and they did not get the big hook up they were hoping for with TM. This is just my take and JMO but I did see that page go up back when TM was here in Nov. I hope my post made sense.


thats my take on that too.....I hope Tim Miller has NOTHING to do with these people.....<I think he has more sense anyway though>....CERTAINLY he has more integrity.

[aubrey04]

Do you remember the names? I just re-watched it and didn't see any names.
I was gonna see if they were on the witness list.

TIA

Danny Knight is on the left.
Bobby Williams is in the middle.
Lance White is on the right.

I know Bobby Williams and Danny Knight are on the witness list.. I am almost positive that Lance White is too but I will have to look it up to verify.

ETA - I see Bobby Williams and Lance White on the witness list. Also, Danny Colamarino of Cast Iron Tattoos.. but the name on the screen when Greta was interviewing them -- was "Danny Knight"..hmmm.. I think it is the same guy though. JMO.

witness list:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2777868/Casey-Anthony-States-Witness-List

[gaelicpeas]

Actually I figured out who each one is. Danny Knight is the one who was talking the most. Lance White is the one on the right... and the guy in the middle - the black guy named Bobby Williams - is the one who gave Casey her tattoos.Good job, Aubrey!

[Lavenia]

Kalani Bowles is his name. And you could be right.. :shrug:

There really IS a Casey fan club?

[gaelicpeas]

Maybe? Maybe not
http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr219/COLLECTIONBOX/CASEY%20ANTHONY%20COLLECTION%20BOX%20CONTINUED/e9593398.jpgThanks, Ellegna. I knew I had seen that pic before.

[Neffy]

There really IS a Casey fan club?

This is the first time i've heard of this. LOL Say it ain't so. Lie to me if you have to.

[playnice]

There really IS a Casey fan club?

Yep. we watched this boy every night on the web cam, all alone on the opposite site of the drive way. Protesters all lined up on the right, this poor little guy on the left holding his sign supporting casey. When she was in and out of jail those times he had his sign standing at the jail watching for her to get released. he had a meltdown when she was arrested for murder. Blamed george for not protecting her.:rolleyes:

[gaelicpeas]

I've seen that photo; I know the Anthonys have had contact with Josh Duckett. Now how do you go from THAT to him being the stranger they had for dinner that night? Sheesh it could have been Nancy Grace I guess....as long as we're speculating...:lol:

Well I get it. The Anthonys said they invited a stranger in. The Anthonys lie. Therefore it could NOT have been a stranger. It must have been Josh Duckett. Or....hey, what about this? Maybe since they lie, it was a lie that ANYONE ate dinner with them.

I guess it's all good.....just a guessing game.Posters were wondering yesterday who the stranger might be that George talked about in the tape. I said nothing about the Anthony's lying. I just offered up a suggestion as to whom it might be based on Casey's reaction to George relating this story. That's all....

[daHawg]

thats my take on that too.....I hope Tim Miller has NOTHING to do with these people.....<I think he has more sense anyway though>....CERTAINLY he has more integrity.Oh I think TM does have more sense and way more integrity too. I think that imo KFN was trying weasel in through the backdoor and it didn't happen. I don't think TM is even aware that was going on as he was so busy at the time but it goes to show how slick some can be with their wording on a website doesn't it?

[gaelicpeas]

I thought it was a really good speculation.

It's not like someone took a leap to insist Caylee's father always knew about her, ditched her refusing to pay child support and remains in hiding.
Thanks, Neffy. Actually, it wasn't speculation - just a thought that woke me up in the middle of the night!

[Lavenia]

This is the first time i've heard of this. LOL Say it ain't so. Lie to me if you have to.

Uh oh. Playnice harshed our mellow. :laugh:

[Neffy]

Thanks, Neffy. Actually, it wasn't speculation - just a thought that woke me up in the middle of the night!

Sorry speculation was as bad choice of words. Interesting thought :)

[IM4Truth]

Is Geraldo on tonight? I never watch him but since there doesn't seem to be any news coming out today, maybe he will have something.

[Lavenia]

Yep. we watched this boy every night on the web cam, all alone on the opposite site of the drive way. Protesters all lined up on the right, this poor little guy on the left holding his sign supporting casey. When she was in and out of jail those times he had his sign standing at the jail watching for her to get released. he had a meltdown when she was arrested for murder. Blamed george for not protecting her.:rolleyes:

I guess there really *is* a lid for every pot.

[playnice]

I guess there really *is* a lid for every pot.

There was a video of his meltdown. One time watching it was too much tho.

It was too much a "Leave Britney Alone" moment.

[SavannahStar]

I thought it was a really good speculation.

*snipped*



How is it good speculation, Neffy? What points to the "stranger" possibly being Josh Duckett?

Do you have a theory as to why George would have said a "stranger" ate with them, instead of Josh Duckett ate with them (IF it was Josh Duckett)?

[Cury-us Coyote]

ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL Transcript 1/16/09
BRIAN RUSSELL, FORENSIC PSYCHOLOGIST & ATTORNEY:
... <snipped>
If I could real quick toss a question to Jeff Gardere about that video. Because he`s done therapy just as I have and it looks to me -- does it look to you, Jeff, like that family may have actually had some family therapy? Because the father and mother seem to have adopted a tag-team strategy of dealing with her when she gets difficult. She gets difficult with Cindy and she goes, well, here`s dad.

GARDERE: Yes, I think the possibility certainly is there. You`re absolutely right. They seem to be very therapeutic in how they are dealing with her but also, very afraid in how to talk with her and get some answers from her.

I think this is a fascinating, fascinating rerun of exactly what happens in their relationship and at home.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/16/ijvm.01.html

[daHawg]

There was a video of his meltdown. One time watching it was too much tho.

It was too much a "Leave Britney Alone" moment.
Ah great analogy! I agree.

[IM4Truth]

Well, there you go, Casey will be assuring that they still have TV after Feb just with her purchases from the commissary!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/tv/orl-jailtv1709jan17,0,354335.story

"The Orange County Jail will use money from its commissary -- which relies on sales of recreational and food items to 4,100 inmates -- to upgrade 127 televisions, jail spokesman Allen Moore said."

I agree, take away their TV and give them a book!

[Beach~Tenant]

I liked Greta's interview with Conway walking down Hopespring.. What struck me funny, is why doesn't he have a motorized wheelchair. His arms had to be sore wheeling that far to the crime scene and back.

I was thinking that same thing!! I enjoyed the interview, it was a nice change away from nancy. I know this might sound like an ODD thing to say but I am curious to know which episode of NG Casey wached?( the one she was refering to in the video).

[gaelicpeas]

You know that page has been up since Tim Miller left a small team in Florida to do small scale searches and he said they were going to be working with other organizations locally and this was when Nejames was the A's atty at the time and was having meetings with TM and all. Who is now TM atty. What I am trying to say is I think that KFN jumped the gun when they put that up on their site indirectly listing TM's resources without naming him or his organization and they did not get the big hook up they were hoping for with TM. This is just my take and JMO but I did see that page go up back when TM was here in Nov. I hope my post made sense.
Yes, I remember that very clearly.

[Neffy]

There was a video of his meltdown. One time watching it was too much tho.

It was too much a "Leave Britney Alone" moment.

OOOOOOOOooh ! Do you mean that guy that had a meltdown on Hopespring when Caylee's remains were found?

[Anakerie]

You know that page has been up since Tim Miller left a small team in Florida to do small scale searches and he said they were going to be working with other organizations locally and this was when Nejames was the A's atty at the time and was having meetings with TM and all. Who is now TM atty. What I am trying to say is I think that KFN jumped the gun when they put that up on their site indirectly listing TM's resources without naming him or his organization and they did not get the big hook up they were hoping for with TM. This is just my take and JMO but I did see that page go up back when TM was here in Nov. I hope my post made sense.
Your post makes perfect sense to me, daHawg... I wouldn't be at all surprised if the list on KF's site is nothing but a list of what is available to EquuSearch.

[Lavenia]

There was a video of his meltdown. One time watching it was too much tho.

It was too much a "Leave Britney Alone" moment.

Ugh. Like that huh? :scared:

[playnice]

OOOOOOOOooh ! Do you mean that guy that had a meltdown on Hopespring when Caylee's remains were found?

Yeah. Thats the one. I was thinking it was when she was rearested but you are correct.

[Anakerie]

OOOOOOOOooh ! Do you mean that guy that had a meltdown on Hopespring when Caylee's remains were found?
Are you talking about the weirdo with the white sunglasses that had to be practically carried away by some woman?

[gaelicpeas]

Are you talking about the weirdo with the white sunglasses that had to be practically carried away by some woman?
That guy, IMO, has some serious issues, and I don't really see the Anthony's inviting him into their home for Caylee's birthday. JMO

[Anakerie]

That guy, IMO, has some serious issues, and I don't really see the Anthony's inviting him into their home for Caylee's birthday. JMO
lol, I agree... Both with the "serious issues" and with the Anthony's. I had to wonder when I saw that video if he was just some nutjob trying to get his 15 min. of fame... lol

[playnice]

lol, I agree... Both with the "serious issues" and with the Anthony's. I had to wonder when I saw that video if he was just some nutjob trying to get his 15 min. of fame... lol

I dont know about the 15 min but nutjob sure sounds right on.

[gaelicpeas]

lol, I agree... Both with the "serious issues" and with the Anthony's. I had to wonder when I saw that video if he was just some nutjob trying to get his 15 min. of fame... lol
I actually thought he was just high and playing around. But apparently, as some posters have said, he has been there before.... so I just go with "serious issues". JMO

[ConchGirl]

Sorry to jump in here like this but this was posted earlier today. Don't know who posted it but it is quite interesting.

A poster from another site made the following observations re the jailhouse video:

"Yesterday, this video was made public. Bloggers and posters on various message boards, as well as me, are wondering if Baez opened a Pandora's Box with this video. It does not show his client in a very favorable light. It shows Casey at her narcissistic best. She uses personal pronouns referring to herself about 378 times (yes, I counted), mentions her daughter's name 5 times, and refers to Caylee as "she" exactly 4 times. In the meantime, she shows a nasty temper and her great ability to manipulate her gullible parents numerous times."

[IM4Truth]

Well, it looks like everyone is too busy talking about the stranger eating chili to answer my question if Geraldo is on tonight and don't seem to care about the TV's in the prison. So I'll just skeedaddle :chicken: and check at 10 pm to see if Geraldo has anything new.

[gaelicpeas]

Sorry to jump in here like this but this was posted earlier today. Don't know who posted it but it is quite interesting.

A poster from another site made the following observations re the jailhouse video:

"Yesterday, this video was made public. Bloggers and posters on various message boards, as well as me, are wondering if Baez opened a Pandora's Box with this video. It does not show his client in a very favorable light. It shows Casey at her narcissistic best. She uses personal pronouns referring to herself about 378 times (yes, I counted), mentions her daughter's name 5 times, and refers to Caylee as "she" exactly 4 times. In the meantime, she shows a nasty temper and her great ability to manipulate her gullible parents numerous times."

Sounds right.. but I am amazed that person counted how many times Casey referred to herself. I have yet to get through the video twice.... tried last night, and just couldn't do it. JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Well, it looks like everyone is too busy talking about the stranger eating chili to answer my question if Geraldo is on tonight and don't seem to care about the TV's in the prison. So I'll just skeedaddle :chicken: and check at 10 pm to see if Geraldo has anything new.Sorry, IM.. I would have answered if I knew..

[Anakerie]

Well, it looks like everyone is too busy talking about the stranger eating chili to answer my question if Geraldo is on tonight and don't seem to care about the TV's in the prison. So I'll just skeedaddle :chicken: and check at 10 pm to see if Geraldo has anything new.
Geraldo's show is usually shown on Saturdays and Sundays... I have no clue about the TV's in prison though.. Sorry.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Well, it looks like everyone is too busy talking about the stranger eating chili to answer my question if Geraldo is on tonight and don't seem to care about the TV's in the prison. So I'll just skeedaddle :chicken: and check at 10 pm to see if Geraldo has anything new.

Saturday, January 17: 10:00 P.M. ET
As we near the historical welcoming of our nation's soon-to-be 44th President, Barack Obama, Geraldo takes a look at the journey America embarked upon eight years ago with President George W. Bush and prepares us for the future. We'll take a look at what's being done to welcome the new commander in chief to the White House in what may be the most extravagant inauguration our nation's history has ever witnessed
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

:shrug:

[Neffy]

Yeah. Thats the one. I was thinking it was when she was rearested but you are correct.

OMG What drama!

[aubrey04]

There was a video of his meltdown. One time watching it was too much tho.

It was too much a "Leave Britney Alone" moment.

Yeah. When Caylee's body was found. He went to the Anthony's neighborhood where all the cameras were, iirc.. then started yelling & "crying" and carrying on in front of the cameras.. then he started yelling at the cameras to back away from him.

It was a little surreal.. He's an interesting "character". I saw his myspace & he's supposedly a comedian and has some sort of comedy show. His stagename is "Boobikat Morris"..

ETA - I wanted to tell gaelicpeas and 2witchy4u -- you're welcome.. It was no problem finding out that info on the tattoo shop guys. I wanted to find that out too. Thanks. :)

[gaelicpeas]

ITA- I couldn't sit thru a whole bowl of chili with all that emotional drama. No it is someone that bothered Casey because she stumbled a bit with flow into the biblical quotes to explain that they did the right thing by "getting to know this person better" and "sharing what they have with others" - IMO, it was a jab and I cannot figure out who the "jab" is.
I agree, which is why I suggested Josh. The only person that makes sense given the circumstances, IMO.

[Neffy]

That guy, IMO, has some serious issues, and I don't really see the Anthony's inviting him into their home for Caylee's birthday. JMO

You sayin no chili for him?

:eek: wait a minute...nah couldn't be. heh heh

[sunstar]

Is Geraldo on tonight? I never watch him but since there doesn't seem to be any news coming out today, maybe he will have something.

Saturday, January 17: 10:00 P.M. ET
As we near the historical welcoming of our nation's soon-to-be 44th President, Barack Obama, Geraldo takes a look at the journey America embarked upon eight years ago with President George W. Bush and prepares us for the future. We'll take a look at what's being done to welcome the new commander in chief to the White House in what may be the most extravagant inauguration our nation's history has ever witnessed.
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/index.html

[ConchGirl]

Saturday, January 17: 10:00 P.M. ET
As we near the historical welcoming of our nation's soon-to-be 44th President, Barack Obama, Geraldo takes a look at the journey America embarked upon eight years ago with President George W. Bush and prepares us for the future. We'll take a look at what's being done to welcome the new commander in chief to the White House in what may be the most extravagant inauguration our nation's history has ever witnessed
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

:shrug:

I won't bother thanks.

[gaelicpeas]

I admit I counted Lee Anthony's LE interview and he said ABSOLUTELY 22 times. :shrug:lol... good job!

[Lavenia]

Well, it looks like everyone is too busy talking about the stranger eating chili to answer my question if Geraldo is on tonight and don't seem to care about the TV's in the prison. So I'll just skeedaddle :chicken: and check at 10 pm to see if Geraldo has anything new.

OMG IM4Truth, I didn't see the post about the TV's! I'm torn on the subject myself. I don't want them for the inmates but they're a HUGE tool in controlling inmates. I don't know of any facility that gets cable TV. In male prisons, they usually fight over some lame sport and cartoons. :rolleyes:

[gaelicpeas]

Yeah. When Caylee's body was found. He went to the Anthony's neighborhood where all the cameras were, iirc.. then started yelling & "crying" and carrying on in front of the cameras.. then he started yelling at the cameras to back away from him.

It was a little surreal.. He's an interesting "character". I saw his myspace & he's supposedly a comedian and has some sort of comedy show. His stagename is "Boobikat Morris"..

ETA - I wanted to tell gaelicpeas and 2witchy4u -- you're welcome.. It was no problem finding out that info on the tattoo shop guys. I wanted to find that out too. Thanks. :)

Good job, aubrey...

[Anakerie]

OMG What drama!

LOL.. I didn't see it as "drama"... I kind of saw the guy as a buffoon.. Comic relief, in other words.. hehehe

[?noanswer]

I wish KC would try to break out of jail or something. We need something new to post about. Nothing on TV that interest me and not much to post about here that hasn't already been posted. I still wish we could find out what happened at the A's that had C so upset. Guess I'm just nosy. JMO

[aubrey04]

Sorry to jump in here like this but this was posted earlier today. Don't know who posted it but it is quite interesting.

A poster from another site made the following observations re the jailhouse video:

"Yesterday, this video was made public. Bloggers and posters on various message boards, as well as me, are wondering if Baez opened a Pandora's Box with this video. It does not show his client in a very favorable light. It shows Casey at her narcissistic best. She uses personal pronouns referring to herself about 378 times (yes, I counted), mentions her daughter's name 5 times, and refers to Caylee as "she" exactly 4 times. In the meantime, she shows a nasty temper and her great ability to manipulate her gullible parents numerous times."

I don't doubt that she referenced herself 378 times in her interviews. It seems that is all she cares about, besides her occasional plea to her parents to eat right. And even then I am sure it is for selfish reasons. She needs them to keep up their strength, so they can keep on defending and supporting her. Ya know?

:closedeyes:

[gaelicpeas]

You sayin no chili for him?

:eek: wait a minute...nah couldn't be. heh heh
um, that is what I am saying, yes - lol.

[Anakerie]

Yeah. When Caylee's body was found. He went to the Anthony's neighborhood where all the cameras were, iirc.. then started yelling & "crying" and carrying on in front of the cameras.. then he started yelling at the cameras to back away from him.

It was a little surreal.. He's an interesting "character". I saw his myspace & he's supposedly a comedian and has some sort of comedy show. His stagename is "Boobikat Morris"..

ETA - I wanted to tell gaelicpeas and 2witchy4u -- you're welcome.. It was no problem finding out that info on the tattoo shop guys. I wanted to find that out too. Thanks. :)

OMG! Really? LOL!! I thought his hysterics were a "bit" over the top... Now I understand! ROFL.. What a joke!

[Neffy]

Well, it looks like everyone is too busy talking about the stranger eating chili to answer my question if Geraldo is on tonight and don't seem to care about the TV's in the prison. So I'll just skeedaddle :chicken: and check at 10 pm to see if Geraldo has anything new.

bolding moi


Let's us know K :w00t:

[Lavenia]

um, that is what I am saying, yes - lol.

Right over my head, ya'll are going. :blink:

[daHawg]

Saturday, January 17: 10:00 P.M. ET
As we near the historical welcoming of our nation's soon-to-be 44th President, Barack Obama, Geraldo takes a look at the journey America embarked upon eight years ago with President George W. Bush and prepares us for the future. We'll take a look at what's being done to welcome the new commander in chief to the White House in what may be the most extravagant inauguration our nation's history has ever witnessed.
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/index.html
Bolding by me I am going to pass on Geraldo tonight too and I know I will get blasted for off topic but dang with the economy and all do we need what may be the most extravagant inauguration? No one respond to that cuz it is way o/t. Back to Caylee.

[sunstar]

I wish KC would try to break out of jail or something. We need something new to post about. Nothing on TV that interest me and not much to post about here that hasn't already been posted. I still wish we could find out what happened at the A's that had C so upset. Guess I'm just nosy. JMO

There's always the repeat of Nancy's show from earlier this week with the videos! :biggrin:

[CelticDawn]

He's nit-trolling. JMO

:lol: Im gonna have to remember that term


GEEZ....I leave to help with cooking and theres two new pages!!

[gaelicpeas]

He would not have been a stranger at that time.

JMONot a complete stranger, but someone maybe they didn't know well? Or at least maybe not George?

[aubrey04]

I actually thought he was just high and playing around. But apparently, as some posters have said, he has been there before.... so I just go with "serious issues". JMO

Hey gaelic,

I am not sure about the high part, but I think it is possible that he is just doing this for attention & like you said - to play around. He could be emotionally unbalanced too. Maybe a combo of both. I haven't really figured that guy out yet, but if he's not doing this for publicity - I hope that his family gets him some help.

jmo

[Neffy]

um, that is what I am saying, yes - lol.

Was he wearing *cough* CASEY GLASSES?

Those were the same were't they. :scared:

[gaelicpeas]

Hey gaelic,

I am not sure about the high part, but I think it is possible that he is just doing this for attention & like you said - to play around. He could be emotionally unbalanced too. Maybe a combo of both. I haven't really figured that guy out yet, but if he's not doing this for publicity - I hope that his family gets him some help.

jmo
Agreed... but since someone just posted that he is a comedian, then I figure he was just "playing around" in some sick way that I often don't understand about comedians. lol.

[aubrey04]

OMG! Really? LOL!! I thought his hysterics were a "bit" over the top... Now I understand! ROFL.. What a joke!

Yup..... :closedeyes: I would link the myspace here, but I am unsure how CW would feel about that. All I did was plug his name into a myspace friend search though.. His myspace is interesting. jmo.

[seeing_eye]

Yep. we watched this boy every night on the web cam, all alone on the opposite site of the drive way. Protesters all lined up on the right, this poor little guy on the left holding his sign supporting casey. When she was in and out of jail those times he had his sign standing at the jail watching for her to get released. he had a meltdown when she was arrested for murder. Blamed george for not protecting her.:rolleyes:

Is this a fan club consisting of only one member? Does anyone know what his problem is? And is Casey aware of him? Has he ever met Casey? (Obviously not, or he would not be in the fan club!)

[Anakerie]

Aubrey...do you have a link to this clowns myspace?


Evening all....outside waiting for a launch out of Cape Canaveral

Here is the clowns myspace..... http://www.myspace.com/boobikat1

[ConchGirl]

I don't doubt that she referenced herself 378 times in her interviews. It seems that is all she cares about, besides her occasional plea to her parents to eat right. And even then I am sure it is for selfish reasons. She needs them to keep up their strength, so they can keep on defending and supporting her. Ya know?

:closedeyes:

Beware of flattery. Sociopaths use it to control their victims. When the OC didn't like the questions her parents asked she changed the subject like nice shirt, you're the best grandfather, etc. Lee told me what you've been doing. There is no doubt in my mind that she controlled George & Cindy by changing the subject to suit her master plan. The focus should be Caylee oops I mean me. I'm a victim. Yes, we are just alike. All I can say is wow after watching all of the jailhouse videos again today. She is the master manipulator when it comes to her family. It's hard to watch them now that we know that Caylee was in a garbage bag. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Was he wearing *cough* CASEY GLASSES?

Those were the same were't they. :scared:Yes, I do believe they were...

[sunstar]

Evening all....outside waiting for a launch out of Cape Canaveral
Hi! What launch???:confused:

[ConchGirl]

Aubrey...do you have a link to this clowns myspace?


Evening all....outside waiting for a launch out of Cape Canaveral

What launch?

[CelticDawn]

Well, it looks like everyone is too busy talking about the stranger eating chili to answer my question if Geraldo is on tonight and don't seem to care about the TV's in the prison. So I'll just skeedaddle :chicken: and check at 10 pm to see if Geraldo has anything new.

OH GOOD LAWD LAWN...!!! Come back here.....

You really dont wanna watch Geraldo do ya???

[Anakerie]

Yup..... :closedeyes: I would link the myspace here, but I am unsure how CW would feel about that. All I did was plug his name into a myspace friend search though.. His myspace is interesting. jmo.
Oops.. I just linked his myspace in answer to Mac... Hope CW will forgive me... I don't know why there would be an objection to his page, there's really nothing there... No blog, no pics, no nothing... He bills himself as a comedian, but there is nothing there to advertise himself.. He inserted himself into this case by having those hysterics in the Anthony neighborhood the day Caylee was found... I suppose we can just forget the guy now... No need for publicity stunts to confuse what is already a confusing mess with all the characters that are really involved in the case.

[daHawg]

So we should have some new docs Monday krect?:laugh: Search warrants from 12/11 and 12/20, crime scene photos (not autopsy).

[CelticDawn]

Aubrey...do you have a link to this clowns myspace?


Evening all....outside waiting for a launch out of Cape Canaveral

Youre so lucky..!!

My kids would LOVE to be able to watch those !!