Friday January 16 - Part 1

[margaritaville]

We touched on this last night, and it may be that George was telling Casey that he could arrange with LE for an unmonitored visit for just the two of them, where they could talk.

Does anyone know if that ever happened?
Was George ever allowed to talk to Casey face to face unrecorded??

MOO

[WillowInFlight]

I think she was/is in denial. WHEN she buries Caylee, maybe the cold hard facts will emerge. See, here's the dichotomy Cindy is living with, IMO.

She has a daughter in jail, charged with murdering her beloved Caylee. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. JMO.

And I do think Casey is pretty articulate, but I agree it's almost as if by rote. JMO.

You must not be seeing the same Cindy that some of us are seeing, She is not in denial, she knows what happened, she knows who did it, she along with us probably doesn't know the why.

[nothingnew]

Here's something I don't get either. For a 22 year old, Casey is very articulate. Her wording and speech patterns are extremely adult-like, except she acts like a child. If my 30 year old daughter were in jail, she would not speak so properly.... if you get my drift.

I hope I stated that right. LOL.

I think she stole her 'wording' too like everything else she has. She uses words in the wrong context. I just think these are all lines from movies or other people that she borrowed-she lives in 'caseyland' after all. Even that 'everyone lies everyone dies', I do believe is from something else. IIRC that whole 'poem' of hers was from 3 different movies. as for speech pattern, i think it is the same as cindys, trying to sound like what they think upper crust sounds like.

[Neffy]

I agree. I laughed when she said "she deliberated". I guess she's been reading Law for dummies. :biggrin:

LOL ITA! She found a new big girl word!

[Barbara fl.]

Frankly I think she would be a great study. This type of evil, IMO is not learned, it is BORN. Granted. the Anthony's were not good parents, but they were presented with a child who was not the garden variety normal.
Seeing Casey now, and reading about how she has been much of her life, I doubt that anything short of locking her away in an institution, could have corrected her evilness. This is just my opinion.

I fully agree that Casey is EVIL....This could also come from being spoiled as a child....getting her way all the time....getting all the attention......or maybe just born like that...

I have a sister like that....she too is evil, that's why I stay clear of her...Haven't seen her in 23 years and don't want to.....whether she could murder or not, I couldn't say.....but she is evil.....


I won't blame Casey's problem on not being in a rational household because she was probably the one that made it disfunctional....There are some people out here that can and will upset the entire household and they manipulate everyone around them...including their parents....But they enabled her to do this.....it should have been handled differently....but it's too late for anyone to give the Anthony's parenting classes.....no one is a perfect parent....but one can only do their best....and hope for the best results....

I'm sure they are killing themselves with guilt right now......

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone know if that ever happened?
Was George ever allowed to talk to Caey face to face unrecorded??

MOO

It didn't, we saw a copy of the note Casey sent to the sheriff, and I'm guessing Baez put a fast stop to it.

[destiny1]

Ok, I'll buy a ticket to the caribbean instead.

I really hope they put the DP on the table.

If ever there was a case where as a juror I would have no problem meteing out the DP. I think I could do it and get a good nights sleep afterwards. In some cases, I would have my doubts, but not this time.

[Barbara fl.]

The Purpose Driven Life? Is that the one you are thinking of?


YES......Thank you.....I am going to buy that book because I heard so much about it.....maybe they should give Casey a copy.....

[happygert]

I have to admit that I have not watched the entire video ...it made me so mad halfway through I quit and decided to come back to it later on.
Well I haven't as of yet but I would like to ask a question:
Baez kept saying he wanted this visit released because of some kind of misconduct on behalf of the jail employees .....:shrug:
I did not , from what I saw, see any misconduct.....did I miss something or was he blowing smoke again?
Bet he wished he had not asked for the video now though.
I did say in a post earlier that I hope the jury gets to see this
and watches it just before they deliberate or maybe someone will ask for it while they are deliberating.
It reaffirms how self centered and and selfserving Casey truely is.
If she was so frustrated about the situation and really concerned with Caylee she would have been talking about her daughter instead of herself.
Also did anyone hear why it was stated that Casey was upset/mad with Baez about the last court appearance?
Was she mad he did not have her come right off or that the he could not prevent the judge from ordering her to appear?

It was on either JVM or NG that she didnt know anything about the court hearing and she was mad because of that...So I don't know if baez didn't inform her or what the deal was....But probably before this case is all over baez will also see casey's true colors........jhmo

[trich]

I don't think she's articulate at all. She used the same words over and over. Her vocabulary is limited in these same words.


I agree ...she is trying to act like she is well educated by using
big words but in truth the harder she tries the less educated she appears.
Sometimes her "big" words don't even fit properly in her sentences...or what she thinks are sentences.

The more she tries to pretend to be what she is not the worse she looks.

Just like lies....the more you tell the more you forget and then you trip yourself up.
If you tell the truth there is nothing to forget...you don't' have to try and remember what you said....because the truth is what it is.

[margaritaville]

it didn't, we saw a copy of the note casey sent to the sheriff, and i'm guessing baez put a fast stop to it.

ty..................

[Dunlurken]

You must not be seeing the same Cindy that some of us are seeing, She is not in denial, she knows what happened, she knows who did it, she along with us probably doesn't know the why.

I'm sorry, I still think she is in denial. Did you ever wonder if she has not been exposed to as much as us on the boards have. Do you think she watches Nancy, Jane or Greta at night when all the THs are discussing and debating? I think she has chosen to be less exposed to the real facts than some here. JMO. Can't say that I blame her. I know I sure wouldn't be if my grand daughter's bones had been found. I'd be in a hole somewhere sucking my thumb. JMO

[TisMeAgain]

exactly.

I notice the roles for this family falling into place.

Cindy: Queen Mum, but losing her throne to the Princess. Lots of power struggles there, she raised a Princess but has to fight for control of the power. This time Casey has the best weapon and she's not going to give it up.

Casey: spoiled rotten with emphisis on rotten. Self absorbed, selfcentered, and coniving.

Lee: left out, overshadowed by his mother and sister. Delegated to the role of peacekeeper and secret keeper. Never the center of affection

George: Cindy's whipping boy, Casey's scorn target. Remember the way she felt about George earlier ..from her e-mails and texts and facebook. She dispised him, until she needed him. Cindy will always keep George in his place because he screwed up and now she owns his...donkey.

Casey must've learned at an early age what works with each family member. Guilt and threats (w/Mom), or keeping secrets from the world (w/ Lee), or the threat of losing her temper and her affection (George)

if you look at each of these jailhouse tapes with them embers of her family you can see her work the buttons.
<in my words>
Flirty and on the same team with Lee, angry and resentful with Cindy, playing the wounded little victim with George "but Daddy we've only just reconnected...bateyesbatbatbat... I picked you" "haha Mother, I chose him you horrible woman how dare you question me." " see what happens when you push me too hard Lee, now I've cut you off and you're not on my team anymore".



poor Caylee.

wow! Great post, Marsh! So true and so sad at the same time.

[Regina.Lampert]

The monster is a chameleon, parroting the lingo she hears, imo.

mommy and daddy know she killed Caylee, the fact that they are still backing her speaks volumes to me as to their integrity, loyalty and love for Caylee Marie Anthony.

IMO

[trich]

It was on either JVM or NG that she didnt know anything about the court hearing and she was mad because of that...So I don't know if baez didn't inform her or what the deal was....But probably before this case is all over baez will also see casey's true colors........jhmo

Thanks !
Wonder who is telling the truth?
You know if she said it was raining and I was standing there getting wet I would not believe her. LOL

[Dunlurken]

I agree ...she is trying to act like she is well educated by using
big words but in truth the harder she tries the less educated she appears.
Sometimes her "big" words don't even fit properly in her sentences...or what she thinks are sentences.

The more she tries to pretend to be what she is not the worse she looks.

Just like lies....the more you tell the more you forget and then you trip yourself up.
If you tell the truth there is nothing to forget...you don't' have to try and remember what you said....because the truth is what it is.
You summed up my point very well. Thank you. She attempts to be articulate. More of her "cover". JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

It was on either JVM or NG that she didnt know anything about the court hearing and she was mad because of that...So I don't know if baez didn't inform her or what the deal was....But probably before this case is all over baez will also see casey's true colors........jhmo

Hiya Gert, remember at the time many of us thought baez was caught with his shorts down and that casey anthony had no knowledge of the hearing. That's why he requested a meet with her before she came into the courtroom to "waive" the hearing.

[Snoopy50]

I fully agree that Casey is EVIL....This could also come from being spoiled as a child....getting her way all the time....getting all the attention......or maybe just born like that...

I have a sister like that....she too is evil, that's why I stay clear of her...Haven't seen her in 23 years and don't want to.....whether she could murder or not, I couldn't say.....but she is evil.....


I won't blame Casey's problem on not being in a rational household because she was probably the one that made it disfunctional....There are some people out here that can and will upset the entire household and they manipulate everyone around them...including their parents....But they enabled her to do this.....it should have been handled differently....but it's too late for anyone to give the Anthony's parenting classes.....no one is a perfect parent....but one can only do their best....and hope for the best results....

I'm sure they are killing themselves with guilt right now......

I agree with all that you have posted except the last line. I do not think they feel at all guilty, rather they appear to be justifying everything Casey does, and still refusing to hold her accountable. I do not believe that accountability has ever been a factor in that house...for anyone. JMO.

[TisMeAgain]

If ever there was a case where as a juror I would have no problem meteing out the DP. I think I could do it and get a good nights sleep afterwards. In some cases, I would have my doubts, but not this time.

Think about it, even Casey knew she would get the DP, she had that little bear hanging from tree asking "why do people kill people for killing people if it's wrong" IIRC That right there shows you she KILLED Caylee, no accident!

[trt]

I'm sorry, I still think she is in denial. Did you ever wonder if she has not been exposed to as much as us on the boards have. Do you think she watches Nancy, Jane or Greta at night when all the THs are discussing and debating? I think she has chosen to be less exposed to the real facts than some here. JMO. Can't say that I blame her. I know I sure wouldn't be if my grand daughter's bones had been found. I'd be in a hole somewhere sucking my thumb. JMO

Once again...if you are in denial about something, that means that the possibility does not exist in your head that it could have happened. It is a very real state of mind. You don't lie and coverup for an event that your brain does not recognize as true(denial). Cindy lied and covered for Casey because she knew (thought without explicit confirmation, maybe) that Casey had done something to harm Caylee. She wasn't in denial. She isn't in denial. That's why her and George searched their backyard for Caylee. That's why their PIs searched the woods for her. They fully accepted the idea that Caylee might be dead. But admission would be detrimental to Casey's defense, so the illusion was created.

JMO

[destiny1]

Has anyone seen mahalo.com?
The link was sent to me in an email, and I checked it out.

http://www.mahalo.com/George_Anthony

http://www.mahalo.com/Casey_Anthony_Chloroform
http://www.mahalo.com/Casey_Anthony_Trunk

It cross references news from the case.

[shelban53]

Does anyone know if Baez saw this video before he made a motion for it to be released?

He was in New York on Geraldo Yacht when they visited, against his better wishes I might add.

Maybe he got second hand info about the conversation/police misconduct which was inaccurate.

Now I wonder if he regrets having this video released.

Here is a link to the letter. Was it written before or after the visit? {check out the spelling of Sheriff Beary's name...one would think she would get that right if she was kissing up for a private interview}

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564742.pdf

[Dunlurken]

Hiya Gert, remember at the time many of us thought baez was caught with his shorts down and that casey anthony had no knowledge of the hearing. That's why he requested a meet with her before she came into the courtroom to "waive" the hearing.

I think she should be "required" to be at all hearings. I was totally confused when she hasn't appeared at any except the one where the judge ordered her there. Baez is up to something. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree ...she is trying to act like she is well educated by using
big words but in truth the harder she tries the less educated she appears.
Sometimes her "big" words don't even fit properly in her sentences...or what she thinks are sentences.

The more she tries to pretend to be what she is not the worse she looks.

Just like lies....the more you tell the more you forget and then you trip yourself up.
If you tell the truth there is nothing to forget...you don't' have to try and remember what you said....because the truth is what it is.



In other words...she finds sentences for her words....Maybe she is trying to write the script for her movie...

Or series.....probably will be called "Casey's Life" .....staring the Meter Reader.......special guest appearing "Zenaida Gonzales".....

[TisMeAgain]

Hiya Gert, remember at the time many of us thought baez was caught with his shorts down and that casey anthony had no knowledge of the hearing. That's why he requested a meet with her before she came into the courtroom to "waive" the hearing.

Yup, I agree. :thumbup:

[Roux]

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The reason Casey said that Caylee is ok and she is being taken care of is because she knows she's dead and is in the hands of God and envisions the Angels taking care of her. hint she's in a better place sort of thing.

Your comment made me think of John List. Killed his mother, wife, daughter and son believeing they would be better off in heaven. Many other murderers of close family members and/or children have expressed the same, and not just those who were mentally ill.

[Barbara fl.]

I think she should be "required" to be at all hearings. I was totally confused when she hasn't appeared at any except the one where the judge ordered her there. Baez is up to something. JMO.



I hope he's not taking tips from Geraldo......

[ConchGirl]

Hiya Gert, remember at the time many of us thought baez was caught with his shorts down and that casey anthony had no knowledge of the hearing. That's why he requested a meet with her before she came into the courtroom to "waive" the hearing.
I think he's been caught with has shorts down on more than one occasion. It was a brilliant move to have that video released for instance.:thumbsup:

[trt]

The monster is a chameleon, parroting the lingo she hears, imo.

mommy and daddy know she killed Caylee, the fact that they are still backing her speaks volumes to me as to their integrity, loyalty and love for Caylee Marie Anthony.

IMO

Morning Reg!! I completely agree. This is a sick sick case that we are watching unfold. I'm trying to figure out why the Anthonys think that the police will give them immunity if they are still going with the *Casey is innocent* line. What could they possibly offer LE in the way of information if they still believe that Casey is innocent? LE has made it clear that their investigation has led them to believe Casey has killed Caylee...so where does the family's information fit in with this investigation?

JMO

[spiritwolf46]

exactly.

I notice the roles for this family falling into place.

Cindy: Queen Mum, but losing her throne to the Princess. Lots of power struggles there, she raised a Princess but has to fight for control of the power. This time Casey has the best weapon and she's not going to give it up.

Casey: spoiled rotten with emphisis on rotten. Self absorbed, selfcentered, and coniving.

Lee: left out, overshadowed by his mother and sister. Delegated to the role of peacekeeper and secret keeper. Never the center of affection

George: Cindy's whipping boy, Casey's scorn target. Remember the way she felt about George earlier ..from her e-mails and texts and facebook. She dispised him, until she needed him. Cindy will always keep George in his place because he screwed up and now she owns his...donkey.

Casey must've learned at an early age what works with each family member. Guilt and threats (w/Mom), or keeping secrets from the world (w/ Lee), or the threat of losing her temper and her affection (George)

if you look at each of these jailhouse tapes with them embers of her family you can see her work the buttons.
<in my words>
Flirty and on the same team with Lee, angry and resentful with Cindy, playing the wounded little victim with George "but Daddy we've only just reconnected...bateyesbatbatbat... I picked you" "haha Mother, I chose him you horrible woman how dare you question me." " see what happens when you push me too hard Lee, now I've cut you off and you're not on my team anymore".



poor Caylee.

WOW! This is SO right on TARGET! GREAT JOB Marshmallow!

[happygert]

Thanks !
Wonder who is telling the truth?
You know if she said it was raining and I was standing there getting wet I would not believe her. LOL


nor would I.
I wouldn't believe one word from this whole family.. not one of them tell the truth.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm sorry, I still think she is in denial. Did you ever wonder if she has not been exposed to as much as us on the boards have. Do you think she watches Nancy, Jane or Greta at night when all the THs are discussing and debating? I think she has chosen to be less exposed to the real facts than some here. JMO. Can't say that I blame her. I know I sure wouldn't be if my grand daughter's bones had been found. I'd be in a hole somewhere sucking my thumb. JMO

Well, we know she watches NG, we know that she posts on boards and blogs. Cindy knows whats being said and when it's being said. But most importantly Cindy KNOWS the truth. And if that had been me, no I wouldn't be in some hole sucking my thumb, I would be looking for justice for my grandchild, I would let my child know that, yes I love them, but you made your bed, you live with it. I'll do what I can, in the mean time, we have a dead child by your hands. I can't and wouldn't defend what's undefendable.

[Regina.Lampert]

I think he's been caught with has shorts down on more than one occasion. It was a brilliant move to have that video released for instance.:thumbsup:

Oh yes, another brilliant blunder, courtesy of baez. This tape is devastating to the picture he wants to paint of casey anthony as a VICTIM.

imo

[margaritaville]

It was on either JVM or NG that she didnt know anything about the court hearing and she was mad because of that...So I don't know if baez didn't inform her or what the deal was....But probably before this case is all over baez will also see casey's true colors........jhmo


I think he already has...but I don't think he cares....
IMO- Jose thinks this is the case that will make his name a household word and he will be rich and famous no matter where Casey lands...moo

Just think of the attention he is going to get when this case is over.
You will probably see him as an attorney on the NG show, just like Geragos.........
Casey is his link to fame and fortune.........

I too think that is why we are starting to see the usual suspects popping their heads into this case...

It will be one very interesting trial.......

Dr. Henry Lee
Dr. Larry Kobilinsky
Linda Baden
Dr. Werner Spitz




http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/witness_list_for_the_defense.html

[Regina.Lampert]

Well, we know she watches NG, we know that she posts on boards and blogs. Cindy knows whats being said and when it's being said. But most importantly Cindy KNOWS the truth. And if that had been me, no I wouldn't be in some hole sucking my thumb, I would be looking for justice for my grandchild, I would let my child know that, yes I love them, but you made your bed, you live with it. I'll do what I can, in the mean time, we have a dead child by your hands. I can't and wouldn't defend what's undefendable.

:thumbup: Wonderful post Will.

[spiritwolf46]

The monster is a chameleon, parroting the lingo she hears, imo.

mommy and daddy know she killed Caylee, the fact that they are still backing her speaks volumes to me as to their integrity, loyalty and love for Caylee Marie Anthony.

IMO

Morning! ITA with this! All along, IMO, it has been about Casey and NEVER about Caylee. That I am sure of.

[WillowInFlight]

You summed up my point very well. Thank you. She attempts to be articulate. More of her "cover". JMO.

I'm sorry I missed the word "attempts" in your original post.

[Dunlurken]

Well, we know she watches NG, we know that she posts on boards and blogs. Cindy knows whats being said and when it's being said. But most importantly Cindy KNOWS the truth. And if that had been me, no I wouldn't be in some hole sucking my thumb, I would be looking for justice for my grandchild, I would let my child know that, yes I love them, but you made your bed, you live with it. I'll do what I can, in the mean time, we have a dead child by your hands. I can't and wouldn't defend what's undefendable.Do you think Cindy really believes Casey killed Caylee? :shrug:

[trt]

I think he's been caught with has shorts down on more than one occasion. It was a brilliant move to have that video released for instance.:thumbsup:

LOL, seriously. Just show us the rage that she gets when just being questioned. Yes, we believe her when she says that this is *seriously* the first time she's been upset during this *whole thing*. So I guess we imagined her cursing everyone out because "all they care about is Caylee" and didn't get her Tony's number fast enough. But to see her face...that was pure rage and it was so quick...all it took was for them to *not let her talk*(i.e. have a freaking dialogue instead of listen to her repeat the same *loopy* nonsense over and over).

Lee will be like an interrogation. God forbid that you meet with the person that's going to ask you questions that may lead to finding your child. No, meet with daddy because you are trying to *reconnect*. She is so gross.

JMO

[Snoopy50]

Yup, I agree. :thumbup: I second that.:blink:

[spiritwolf46]

Well, we know she watches NG, we know that she posts on boards and blogs. Cindy knows whats being said and when it's being said. But most importantly Cindy KNOWS the truth. And if that had been me, no I wouldn't be in some hole sucking my thumb, I would be looking for justice for my grandchild, I would let my child know that, yes I love them, but you made your bed, you live with it. I'll do what I can, in the mean time, we have a dead child by your hands. I can't and wouldn't defend what's undefendable.

I know it is early, but :beer:

[court~critic1®]

Hiya Gert, remember at the time many of us thought baez was caught with his shorts down and that casey anthony had no knowledge of the hearing. That's why he requested a meet with her before she came into the courtroom to "waive" the hearing.


To me, the meeting before she came into the court room was for a "touchy" feeling thing. After all, they couldn't do it at the jail house.


Hope things are well with you and yours.

[destiny1]

Well, we know she watches NG, we know that she posts on boards and blogs. Cindy knows whats being said and when it's being said. But most importantly Cindy KNOWS the truth. And if that had been me, no I wouldn't be in some hole sucking my thumb, I would be looking for justice for my grandchild, I would let my child know that, yes I love them, but you made your bed, you live with it. I'll do what I can, in the mean time, we have a dead child by your hands. I can't and wouldn't defend what's undefendable.

That is exactly how I would hope I would handle it if, Heaven forbid, I would ever be in that situation. However, I just don't know that.

[ConchGirl]

I think he already has...but I don't think he cares....
IMO- Jose thinks this is the case that will make his name a household word and he will be rich and famous no matter where Casey lands...moo

Just think of the attention he is going to get when this case is over.
You will probably see him as an attorney on the NG show, just like Geragos.........
Casey is his link to fame and fortune.........

I too think that is why we are starting to see the usual suspects popping their heads into this case...

It will be one very interesting trial.......

Dr. Henry Lee
Dr. Larry Kobilinsky
Linda Baden
Dr. Werner Spitz




http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/witness_list_for_the_defense.html

I don't think he will be in high demand unless he works on his legal and elocution skills. Maybe Casey will teach him.:lol:

[WillowInFlight]

Do you think Cindy really believes Casey killed Caylee? :shrug:

Oh Lord. No I don't think Cindy believes that, take it one step further neither does George. I believe they KNOW it.

[destiny1]

Is anything substantial scheduled for today?
Any news teasers out there?

I am going to a meeting under much duress.

[Neffy]

You must not be seeing the same Cindy that some of us are seeing, She is not in denial, she knows what happened, she knows who did it, she along with us probably doesn't know the why.

ITA. Cindy knows the answer but insists on getting confirmation directly from Casey.

It's like being in a bad marriage. Everything points to it being bad, your life is being thrown down the drain and yet since your spouse hasn't asked for a divorce it must not be that bad.

[WillowInFlight]

Same with me. I'd have no problem handing this sentence down.

Not after that tape. I say Bring it onnnnn. yesterday I was posting my accident theory. LOl I know, not any more.

[Dunlurken]

Oh Lord. No I don't think Cindy believes that, take it one step further neither does George. I believe they KNOW it.

Meaning, they helped in the cover-up?

[TisMeAgain]

Do you think Cindy really believes Casey killed Caylee? :shrug:

Dunnie, you have said yourself Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee, you have also stated they need to fry along with Casey. At one point you did say George gets a pass with you but the very next day you said he needs to fry. I'm paraphrasing here.

[desmom]

It didn't, we saw a copy of the note Casey sent to the sheriff, and I'm guessing Baez put a fast stop to it.

The information about the visit was in the last document dump (I think).

It begins on the bottom of page 35 (or handwritten #2305) http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202271-2320%20f.pdf

Adam Gabriel (co-counsel with JB?) was with Casey when George arrived at the jail. After a 1 1/2 hour, Casey decided she did not want to meet with George. jmo

[nothingnew]

I'm sorry, I still think she is in denial. Did you ever wonder if she has not been exposed to as much as us on the boards have. Do you think she watches Nancy, Jane or Greta at night when all the THs are discussing and debating? I think she has chosen to be less exposed to the real facts than some here. JMO. Can't say that I blame her. I know I sure wouldn't be if my grand daughter's bones had been found. I'd be in a hole somewhere sucking my thumb. JMO

But if she is REALLY in denial why is she not doing everything in her power to get a sketch artist in front of casey so we can track down this 'zanny' woman who has destroyed her family? This is cindy we are talking about-the person that asked LE or FBI "am I intimidating You?" The woman that yelled at all of us parasitic maggots on national tv to get off our behinds and find her granddaughter. and yet she is just letting that drop? she backs down to NO ONE and yet she doesn't connect the dots that IF she can track down zanny then it will all make sense, casey gets her MOTY award and struts out of jail? No, I am just not buying it. cindy doesn't think ahead much more than casey does so why isn't she egging her lawyer on to sue baez for not pulling in a sketch artist or releasing the park photo of zanny, casey and Caylee so that casey, the loving mother/daughter/sister trifecta can come home? If she were truly in denial she would stop at nothing to find zanny OR go back a few months and make it "she would stop at nothing to search for Caylee'.

[CC I See]

Re: Death Penalty

I'm not so sure I agree that this should be placed back on the table. One or more of the jurors just might be reluctant, if this is a possibility, and go with a reasonable doubt if they know that Casey could be given this sentence. She could get sympathy votes that she is too young and too cute to die.I remember the OJ trial and no longer trust the Justice System to be fair. Yes, I know there are more forensics in this case, there is also more forensic experts to dispute the evidence to create reasonable doubt. There is also the Anthony family using the news media to confuse and disrupt LE and prosecution.... that might play a big role when it comes to trial.

[neid_77]

here is the one thing that bugged me the most about last night it was lthe last part of the tape. I AM a victim they started treating me bad I am not giving them NOTHING when i get out of here..they deserved nothing i am going to wait until this goes to trail...your right they need to find your duaghter, and you have LIED the WHOLE time! They checked out everything you told them and NONE of it was true...but they don't folow everything you say to the letter and believe it then they are evil..and misconstruing things...it's my way or the highway....excuse me missy you are dealing with LE and the F.B.I! But what does she care she is smarter huh...some victim..no you filthy black hearted woman, YOUR DUAGHTER is the biggest victim!!!!! Tim Miller was a real victim, everyone of your friends where real victims, half the population of the united states is victims, poor Jesse Grund is a victim, poor Amy your *best friend* is a victim. Every person that searched gave sweat blood and their whole heart searching for your duaghter is a victim, THE PEOPLE WHO GOT ON THEIR HANDS AND KNEES FINDING EVERY PIECE OF YOUR DUAGHTERS BONES are a victim whe whole OCSO is a victim...your family is victims, heck even squirells are victims...you created everything there is!!! There is more to life beyond you, and your about ready to find out the hard way! No one lieks you all of america thinks your scum nothing about you thrills anyone...your not worth the air you breathe...so sit in your jail cell and smirk and laugh and smug your face at the world, but in the end...we will have the last laughall your victims will have the last laugh!!!! i cannot wait for the day especially for caylee marie anthony who needs it the most!!!!!!:cursing::cursing:

[num1barb]

I don't think he will be in high demand unless he works on his legal and elocution skills. Maybe Casey will teach him.:lol:


LOL.

She did say one time that she was....oh what was the word she used....instructing? baez....no...it wasn't instructing....what was it?? AAAK. Now that's gonna drive me nuts until I remember what she said.

[TisMeAgain]

But if she is REALLY in denial why is she not doing everything in her power to get a sketch artist in front of casey so we can track down this 'zanny' woman who has destroyed her family? This is cindy we are talking about-the person that asked LE or FBI "am I intimidating You?" The woman that yelled at all of us parasitic maggots on national tv to get off our behinds and find her granddaughter. and yet she is just letting that drop? she backs down to NO ONE and yet she doesn't connect the dots that IF she can track down zanny then it will all make sense, casey gets her MOTY award and struts out of jail? No, I am just not buying it. cindy doesn't think ahead much more than casey does so why isn't she egging her lawyer on to sue baez for not pulling in a sketch artist or releasing the park photo of zanny, casey and Caylee so that casey, the loving mother/daughter/sister trifecta can come home? If she were truly in denial she would stop at nothing to find zanny OR go back a few months and make it "she would stop at nothing to search for Caylee'.

Thank you, nothing! Well said!

[WillowInFlight]

ITA. Cindy knows the answer but insists on getting confirmation directly from Casey.

It's like being in a bad marriage. Everything points to it being bad, your life is being thrown down the drain and yet since your spouse hasn't asked for a divorce it must not be that bad.

ITA, man you have great points, Cindy knew, but wants confirmation, if she doesn't get it, it's not real, in her head, but her heart knows it is. And we are creatures that lead by the heart. Or some of us are. LOL.

[MommyTuTu]

here is the one thing that bugged me the most about last night it was lthe last part of the tape. I AM a victim they started treating me bad I am not giving them NOTHING when i get out of here..they deserved nothing i am going to wait until this goes to trail...your right they need to find your duaghter, and you have LIED the WHOLE time! They checked out everything you told them and NONE of it was true...but they don't folow everything you say to the letter and believe it then they are evil..and misconstruing things...it's my way or the highway....excuse me missy you are dealing with LE and the F.B.I! But what does she care she is smarter huh...some victim..no you filthy black hearted woman, YOUR DUAGHTER is the biggest victim!!!!! Tim Miller was a real victim, everyone of your friends where real victims, half the population of the united states is victims, poor Jesse Grund is a victim, poor Amy your *best friend* is a victim. Every person that searched gave sweat blood and their whole heart searching for your duaghter is a victim, THE PEOPLE WHO GOT ON THEIR HANDS AND KNEES FINDING EVERY PIECE OF YOUR DUAGHTERS BONES are a victim whe whole OCSO is a victim...your family is victims, heck even squirells are victims...you created everything there is!!! There is more to life beyond you, and your about ready to find out the hard way! No one lieks you all of america thinks your scum nothing about you thrills anyone...your not worth the air you breathe...so sit in your jail cell and smirk and laugh and smug your face at the world, but in the end...we will have the last laughall your victims will have the last laugh!!!! i cannot wait for the day especially for caylee marie anthony who needs it the most!!!!!!:cursing::cursing:


I don't post much at all but after I reading this post I have to say I give you a standing ovation!!!

[happygert]

I think he already has...but I don't think he cares....
IMO- Jose thinks this is the case that will make his name a household word and he will be rich and famous no matter where Casey lands...moo

Just think of the attention he is going to get when this case is over.
You will probably see him as an attorney on the NG show, just like Geragos.........
Casey is his link to fame and fortune.........

I too think that is why we are starting to see the usual suspects popping their heads into this case...

It will be one very interesting trial.......

Dr. Henry Lee
Dr. Larry Kobilinsky
Linda Baden
Dr. Werner Spitz




http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/witness_list_for_the_defense.html

And that's not all of them.. Theres more..many more..
I'd like to know what baez was doing in NY for a few days when this last visit was recorded..Who was he meeting with?
Is Koblinski still on the list...I dont remember baez mentioning him when they were in court last week.. . BTW he's been MIA for awhile..humm

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie, you have said yourself Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee, you have also stated they need to fry along with Casey. At one point you did say George gets a pass with you but the very next day you said he needs to fry. I'm paraphrasing here.

Why do people follow my posts so closely? LOL. Hey, I throw everything out there for discussion. I like to read/hear responses to be sure justice is found for Caylee. JMO.

Casey has not been found guilty YET. Will she? We can only speculate. IMO, leave no stone unturned (or is it a paver?).

I don't mean to get people's panties in a wad, it's just the way I post.

Carry on!
:biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

Dunnie, you have said yourself Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee, you have also stated they need to fry along with Casey. At one point you did say George gets a pass with you but the very next day you said he needs to fry. I'm paraphrasing here.

Then :confused::confused:next she was handing the pass to Cindy.

[Neffy]

But if she is REALLY in denial why is she not doing everything in her power to get a sketch artist in front of casey so we can track down this 'zanny' woman who has destroyed her family? This is cindy we are talking about-the person that asked LE or FBI "am I intimidating You?" The woman that yelled at all of us parasitic maggots on national tv to get off our behinds and find her granddaughter. and yet she is just letting that drop? she backs down to NO ONE and yet she doesn't connect the dots that IF she can track down zanny then it will all make sense, casey gets her MOTY award and struts out of jail? No, I am just not buying it. cindy doesn't think ahead much more than casey does so why isn't she egging her lawyer on to sue baez for not pulling in a sketch artist or releasing the park photo of zanny, casey and Caylee so that casey, the loving mother/daughter/sister trifecta can come home? If she were truly in denial she would stop at nothing to find zanny OR go back a few months and make it "she would stop at nothing to search for Caylee'.

ITA. No plea to this "nanny" to return Caylee. No plea to the public to watch out for this car, for this women or this womens friend.

They only want a picture of Caylee out there. The only thing they know to be true.

[WillowInFlight]

Meaning, they helped in the cover-up?

Where in my post did I say that, please don't start rumors.

[ConchGirl]

LOL.

She did say one time that she was....oh what was the word she used....instructing? baez....no...it wasn't instructing....what was it?? AAAK. Now that's gonna drive me nuts until I remember what she said.

Cindy said Casey was able to give Jose a lot of advice IIRC :D

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning Reg!! I completely agree. This is a sick sick case that we are watching unfold. I'm trying to figure out why the Anthonys think that the police will give them immunity if they are still going with the *Casey is innocent* line. What could they possibly offer LE in the way of information if they still believe that Casey is innocent? LE has made it clear that their investigation has led them to believe Casey has killed Caylee...so where does the family's information fit in with this investigation?

JMO

Hiya T. I know what you mean. I think all systems are go to try this case, using cynthia and george's statements to the FBI and the OCSD and they will be shown to be in conflict with what they are saying now. The jury will decide what to believe.

When the trial is over, I think if any perjury was committed or if any other charges are present, they will be pressed then. imo.

Our next President will be at the Edgewood Train Platform and the War Memorial Plaza tomorrow. :patriot:

[bballgrl]

Dunnie, you have said yourself Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee, you have also stated they need to fry along with Casey. At one point you did say George gets a pass with you but the very next day you said he needs to fry. I'm paraphrasing here.

Dunnie likes some syrup. She's a "waffler". :wink: She takes the devils advocate approach... that's ok, we need lot's of opinions to keep the board on it's toes... :thumbsup:

[bballgrl]

Why do people follow my posts so closely? LOL. Hey, I throw everything out there for discussion. I like to read/hear responses to be sure justice is found for Caylee. JMO.

Casey has not been found guilty YET. Will she? We can only speculate. IMO, leave no stone unturned (or is it a paver?).

I don't mean to get people's panties in a wad, it's just the way I post.

Carry on!
:biggrin:

No panties wadded here. I keep a salt shaker by my desk when I read your posts.... :wink: LOL - Sometimes we agree, sometimes.... well, let's just say "Not so much". :biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie likes some syrup. She's a "waffler". :wink: She takes the devils advocate approach... that's ok, we need lot's of opinions to keep the board on it's toes... :thumbsup:

Thanks. Nothing wrong with debate and questions. None of us want a hung jury or a retrial. JMO. I do have a lot of splinters in my butt though. LOL. Ain't easy sitting on the fence.

[num1barb]

Cindy said Casey was able to give Jose a lot of advice IIRC :D


AHHH, yes. Thank you ConchGirl :)

I knew at least one of you lovely people would remember!

She's giving her attorney advice.

[spiritwolf46]

My stepson is a Leukemia survivor. BUT, during his lifetime, his mother spoiled him so terribly it just about ruined this kid. After he was in remission (and has been for 12 years now) it didn't matter. He would bark out orders to her (My shoes are dirty! Come clean them up! and she would while they were on HIS FEET!) That went on his whole life. When I married my husband, I noticed things that were happening. My husband is very passive, and allowed his son to run all over him because he would run home and tell his mom if my husband corrected him and she would call and there would he he77 to pay!

Well, on night he called here and demanded WE give him money for a new car because the one that his father already bought him was not good enough (this was along with many many calls demanding money for his every whim!) I had HAD it! I put my foot down to him. He had called his father HORRIBLE names, he would call at all hours of the night just to scream at me and his father because, for once, someone said NO to him. He called us HORRIBLE names that I wouold never in a lifetime repeat! Well, we held tight and together and we made him mind when he came over and we told him why we were doing what we were doing and how his behavior was not acceptable. He was also a habitual liar. That was a constant!

As time went by he came to us and thanked us for being that way to him. He is in college now and doing well. He slips up from time to time, but all in all, he has made a turn for the better.

He had a learned behavior and I still, and won't back down, think that Casey was a learned behavior BRAT as well. I see it in the videos! Believe me, I have seen and heard that rage before! My step son threatened to kill me AND my husband to the point where we had to make Sheriff reports and so on. We slept with one eye open. Casey is THAT person and they will NEVER put her in her place. EVER!

Sorry for the novel, but had to do with this case and her behavior.

[TisMeAgain]

Then :confused::confused:next she was handing the pass to Cindy.

LOL Willow...no kidding!

[margaritaville]

I get so frustrated with this "everyone tip toe around Casey" approach. What that girl needed was some no-nonsense, old fashioned boundaries and rules when she was growing up. And some mental help. Too late now.

Casey is like Peterson: She will never admit to having done anything wrong or in any way being responsible for Caylee's death. Her agenda now is all about Casey.

So her family and the authorities should stop treating her like a piece of delicate glass. imo


ITA with you....I believe Casey along with Peterson will take it to their graves.

But about their personalities....I don't remember Scott while being interviewed ect. talk about himself the way Casey does.
Anytime Caylee is brought up Casey spins it to be about her...

"we want Caylee home" CA and GA
"I want to be home when she gets there" Casey's response

She always makes it about her...
I don't remember Scott doing that........He was always saying he wants Laci home.........He handled his case a lot different......Well he actually spoke to the media which is something Casey has never done.......
Never even tried too..
The whole time she was with LE running them around town and then to Universal she never once asked to have a press conference to beg for her daughters return.............not once.........

moo

[playnice]

What the heck are they waiting for to bury Caylees remains?Highest bidder to film the memorial?
Hoping as long as Caylee doesnt have a funeral no one will be arrested?
I cant figure out why this child hasnt been laid to rest.

[CC I See]

AHHH, yes. Thank you ConchGirl :)

I knew at least one of you lovely people would remember!

She's giving her attorney advice.
.... and I'm worried that she might drive the poor man to drink.:tonguewag:

[Roux]

Has anyone discussed Casey's comment that Jose shared NG clips with her? I guess atty-client privilege covers a host of things but that just doesn't seem kosher to me. When did he get his request to bring in his laptop?

[Dunlurken]

What the heck are they waiting for to bury Caylees remains?Highest bidder to film the memorial?
Hoping as long as Caylee doesnt have a funeral no one will be arrested?
I cant figure out why this child hasnt been laid to rest.

IMO, it's fairly simple. The defense (you figure out who that is), doesn't want to have to exhume the body for more testing, nor does the prosecution. If she were cremated, there goes any possibility of more evidence. JMO.

[sachae]

Good morning

Yes we did see Casey in another light. :mad:

Can you just imagine now what may have happened that night? Casey and Cindy engaged in a heated argument. Cindy goes for Casey's throat. Casey is enraged and leaves house with Caylee. Caylee is scared and crying. Casey has had just about enough. Puts duct tape Across Caylee's mouth. Caylee is still struggling. Casey grabs Caylee's blanket, pillow, baby doll and smothers Caylee. (I always kept blankets/pillows in my car)
Prosecution may believe Caylee was killed in a fit of anger and this video proves Casey is capable of that. Yes.....I can see JB being very nervous how the jury will perceive Casey after watching this tape.

I always felt that she got rid of her daughter to get back at her parents, maybe Cindy more than George, because she could have left at any time and just left Caylee there and Cindy would have continued taking care of her, the way that she had since her birth, she paid for everything, and also loved her like her own daughter, and after seeing the tape also, I saw a side to her that we have not seen, and we also really saw how it is all about her, no one else not her daughter, her brother, her Mom, her Dad, and believe me she would sell her Lawyer, if she could save herself first, I do hope that the parents start telling everything that they know, because I know that they know she killed that little girl, and I also think that Lee put 2 and 2 together awhile ago, when was the last time he went to the jail? anyone??

[TisMeAgain]

My stepson is a Leukemia survivor. BUT, during his lifetime, his mother spoiled him so terribly it just about ruined this kid. After he was in remission (and has been for 12 years now) it didn't matter. He would bark out orders to her (My shoes are dirty! Come clean them up! and she would while they were on HIS FEET!) That went on his whole life. When I married my husband, I noticed things that were happening. My husband is very passive, and allowed his son to run all over him because he would run home and tell his mom if my husband corrected him and she would call and there would he he77 to pay!

Well, on night he called here and demanded WE give him money for a new car because the one that his father already bought him was not good enough (this was along with many many calls demanding money for his every whim!) I had HAD it! I put my foot down to him. He had called his father HORRIBLE names, he would call at all hours of the night just to scream at me and his father because, for once, someone said NO to him. He called us HORRIBLE names that I wouold never in a lifetime repeat! Well, we held tight and together and we made him mind when he came over and we told him why we were doing what we were doing and how his behavior was not acceptable. He was also a habitual liar. That was a constant!

As time went by he came to us and thanked us for being that way to him. He is in college now and doing well. He slips up from time to time, but all in all, he has made a turn for the better.

He had a learned behavior and I still, and won't back down, think that Casey was a learned behavior BRAT as well. I see it in the videos! Believe me, I have seen and heard that rage before! My step son threatened to kill me AND my husband to the point where we had to make Sheriff reports and so on. We slept with one eye open. Casey is THAT person and they will NEVER put her in her place. EVER!

Sorry for the novel, but had to do with this case and her behavior.

Great Post and great parenting! Perhaps if the Anthony's did that, lil Caylee would still be alive.

[101Spots]

OK, i watched the visit and I wonder how g & c can keep their cool when talking to her...she talks in circles....

I'm completely out of the loop.

My attorney is keeping me in the loop on everything that's going on.

Ummm....ok.

So is she in the loop or not? LOL

And ITA with the posters earlier who commented on george calling her "beautiful" and "gorgeous". creepy. MOO

That would depend on who she's talking to, the subject of the discussion, the alignment of the planets at the time, the ambient temperature in Buenos Aires, and whether Joe's Cafe burned the bacon for Mr. Smith that morning.

[AbbyNormal]

Good Morning everyone -

Listening to the new tape last night, I saw something different about Casey's anger with Cindy.....

Cindy say's, "I was in Lake County the other day. Was anything there"?

She is asking if Caylee is in the Lake.

Casey comes unglued because her mom is all but giving the game away.

(Like cheating in a partnered card game....."Hope Valentine's day is coming soon, etc....)

They all know Caylee is gone. The A's are desparate to locate Caylee's remains before someone in LE does. Once Caylee is found, there go all the business deals.

jmo

[num1barb]

What the heck are they waiting for to bury Caylees remains?Highest bidder to film the memorial?
Hoping as long as Caylee doesnt have a funeral no one will be arrested?
I cant figure out why this child hasnt been laid to rest.


I lean toward "as long as Caylee doesn't have a funeral no one will be arrested".

I think there is some real fear in the anthony household.

[Regina.Lampert]

What the heck are they waiting for to bury Caylees remains?Highest bidder to film the memorial?
Hoping as long as Caylee doesnt have a funeral no one will be arrested?
I cant figure out why this child hasnt been laid to rest.

I can. I have always thought casey anthony is in control of those remains, even more so after looking at the 8/14 tape.

IMO, casey anthony will keep control, using those remains in such a way as to

1. Make as much money off of them as possible.

2. Hurt and spite her parents.

3. Hurt her daughter again, killing her was not enough, imo, she was jealous of her and hated her.

IMO.

[spiritwolf46]

Great Post and great parenting! Perhaps if the Anthony's did that, lil Caylee would still be alive.

Aw, thanks Tis! You are so right! The Anthony's have allowed Casey to become what she is. You see it in the videos right an left. As soon as she shows rage, they cower and once again, the heathen get's her way.

ENABLERS! Short, sweet and simple, really.

[Neffy]

Cindy said Casey was able to give Jose a lot of advice IIRC :D

She is reading up on the law and focusing on her case remember.
:wink:

This shows her immaturity, like looking up a recipe on how to make something.

[trt]

I always felt that she got rid of her daughter to get back at her parents, maybe Cindy more than George, because she could have left at any time and just left Caylee there and Cindy would have continued taking care of her, the way that she had since her birth, she paid for everything, and also loved her like her own daughter, and after seeing the tape also, I saw a side to her that we have not seen, and we also really saw how it is all about her, no one else not her daughter, her brother, her Mom, her Dad, and believe me she would sell her Lawyer, if she could save herself first, I do hope that the parents start telling everything that they know, because I know that they know she killed that little girl, and I also think that Lee put 2 and 2 together awhile ago, when was the last time he went to the jail? anyone??

Color added by me...I think you are right on with this and what is so much worse than that...I think we saw the side of her that Caylee last saw...:crying:

[spiritwolf46]

That would depend on who she's talking to, the subject of the discussion, the alignment of the planets at the time, the ambient temperature in Buenos Aires, and whether Joe's Cafe burned the bacon for Mr. Smith that morning.

LOL! And let's add that hopefully no one rotated their shoes during a thunderstorm.

[kitty1182]

I can. I have always thought casey anthony is in control of those remains, even more so after looking at the 8/14 tape.

IMO, casey anthony will keep control, using those remains in such a way as to

1. Make as much money off of them as possible.

2. Hurt and spite her parents.

3. Hurt her daughter again, killing her was not enough, imo, she was jealous of her and hated her.

IMO.


I agree....

[floridamom]

Good Morning everyone -

Listening to the new tape last night, I saw something different about Casey's anger with Cindy.....

Cindy say's, "I was in Lake County the other day. Was anything there"?

She is asking if Caylee is in the Lake.

Casey comes unglued because her mom is all but giving the game away.

(Like cheating in a partnered card game....."Hope Valentine's day is coming soon, etc....)

They all know Caylee is gone. The A's are desparate to locate Caylee's remains before someone in LE does. Once Caylee is found, there go all the business deals.

jmo

Lake County is near Orlando. I think she was referring to someone in Lake County not literally in a lake.

[margaritaville]

IMO, it's fairly simple. The defense (you figure out who that is), doesn't want to have to exhume the body for more testing, nor does the prosecution. If she were cremated, there goes any possibility of more evidence. JMO.

But it has been released by both prosecution and the defense.....

There is nothing else they need from it......they can cremate it or whatever. they just choose not to....Why?
Because they don't care about Caylee anymore, IMO

[ellegna]

The monster is a chameleon, parroting the lingo she hears, imo.

mommy and daddy know she killed Caylee, the fact that they are still backing her speaks volumes to me as to their integrity, loyalty and love for Caylee Marie Anthony.

IMO

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg

[TisMeAgain]

I lean toward "as long as Caylee doesn't have a funeral no one will be arrested".

I think there is some real fear in the anthony household.

That's how I feel about it. C & G act just like Casey when it comes to LE.

[Dunlurken]

I lean toward "as long as Caylee doesn't have a funeral no one will be arrested".

I think there is some real fear in the anthony household.
As well there should be. You don't call to report your grand daughter missing for 31 days until you smell a dead body in the car? When the car is in your name and you could have easily reported the car missing/stolen? I know hind-sight is 20-20, but......

JMO.

[101Spots]

I don't think she's articulate at all. She used the same words over and over. Her vocabulary is limited in these same words.

ITA. I equate her speech with a class-C rock group: If you're not that good, turn up the volume. The noise will not allow anyone to actually hear your lousy music.

[kitty1182]

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg



I sure hope those pics make it to the courtroom!!

[Barbara fl.]

I can. I have always thought casey anthony is in control of those remains, even more so after looking at the 8/14 tape.

IMO, casey anthony will keep control, using those remains in such a way as to

1. Make as much money off of them as possible.

2. Hurt and spite her parents.

3. Hurt her daughter again, killing her was not enough, imo, she was jealous of her and hated her.

IMO.



I couldn't agree more.......

[WillowInFlight]

Spirit, thank you for your story. I think most or some of us have grown up with abusive, alcoholics, totally dysfunctional family members, whether it be parents, or siblings.. It's those that choose to end the cycle that I applaud. And most do it without the backing of the family.
Cindy knew what Casey was like, she had a choice, IMO, to end that control. But she didn't she continued to enjoy her free ride.

I also have a stepchild and had to put my foot down the hard way, and yes it hurts. BOMG Are we not here to teach?

[daHawg]

Has anyone discussed Casey's comment that Jose shared NG clips with her? I guess atty-client privilege covers a host of things but that just doesn't seem kosher to me. When did he get his request to bring in his laptop?

I don't think it was before that visit which makes me wonder does he have a blackberry and is he allowed to have that on him when he visits? Because if that is the case then you can livestream off the internet on one of those.

[Dunlurken]

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg
Did you have to post that? That's the same picture I have in my mind when I see Caylee's last look at her mom. JMO.

:rose:

Thanks, though.

[TisMeAgain]

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg

I'd like to send those photo's to Casey with the words... So, this is the last thing Caylee seen before you killed her....your rage.

[nc1948]

If we as a group find out nothing else, we have to find out who the semi stranger was that had dinner with Cindy and George on Caylee's birthday.

I think this was when Fox had their live cameras on the house. I do not remember any stranger going to the house. Does anyone else.

[CC I See]

I believe that when Evil takes hold of someone, that person doesn't need a reason to do what they do. The Evil that they do becomes fun and a source of enjoyment to them. Whether Casey hated Cindy or Caylee or had a multitude of reason to do what she did. She had choices in dealing with whatever happened and she chose the worse possible one for Caylee. There is absolutely no excuse for her doing what she did other than she chose to do it because she wanted to. Hopefully, her family will know that even though mistakes were made Casey made this choice.

[trt]

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg

That sums it up right there ellegna...and it just makes my heart break for Caylee...I just posted up thread that I think *this Casey* is the last she remembers. JMO

[kitty1182]

I'd like to send those photo's to Casey with the words... So, this is the last thing Caylee seen before you killed her....your rage.



I would like to have them blown up and used for a dart board..

[ellegna]

Did you have to post that? That's the same picture I have in my mind when I see Caylee's last look at her mom. JMO.

:rose:

Thanks, though.

I'm sorry :crying:

[debkay]

If we as a group find out nothing else, we have to find out who the semi stranger was that had dinner with Cindy and George on Caylee's birthday.


Maybe it was Caylee's father, grandfather or uncle?????

[TisMeAgain]

I can. I have always thought casey anthony is in control of those remains, even more so after looking at the 8/14 tape.

IMO, casey anthony will keep control, using those remains in such a way as to

1. Make as much money off of them as possible.

2. Hurt and spite her parents.

3. Hurt her daughter again, killing her was not enough, imo, she was jealous of her and hated her.

IMO.

right on, Regina. It's also her way of still getting back at her Mother for calling 911.

[kitty1182]

I think this was when Fox had their live cameras on the house. I do not remember any stranger going to the house. Does anyone else.

There was a man who came by almost every day to kneel and pray in front of the house..I think it may have been him..

[happygert]

Has anyone discussed Casey's comment that Jose shared NG clips with her? I guess atty-client privilege covers a host of things but that just doesn't seem kosher to me. When did he get his request to bring in his laptop?

It was way after that visit..

[Neffy]

I think this was when Fox had their live cameras on the house. I do not remember any stranger going to the house. Does anyone else.


LOL I hate to admit I've watched carpeting of a court room hours on end since a camera was on pointing to it while I awaited a jury's verdict but I never did a shift watching the Anthony house.

[Dunlurken]

I'm sorry :crying:

It's okay. I have seen that in mind for quite some time. JMO.

[spiritwolf46]

I sure hope those pics make it to the courtroom!!

I do too, Kitty! I want the Pros. to BLOW them up for the jurors to see!

[Pooh]

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg

Great freezeframe. Yikes!! :scared::chicken:

[summer4meplz]

Dunnie, you have said yourself Cindy knows Casey killed Caylee, you have also stated they need to fry along with Casey. At one point you did say George gets a pass with you but the very next day you said he needs to fry. I'm paraphrasing here.



I must say dunnie isn't the only one that has changed her mind....I've gone from feeling so sorry for george and cindy to thinking they are almost as bad as their daughter ......and back again....I still feel so sorry for cindy and george watching these tapes.....I really don't think they, including Lee....knew for sure that Caylee was dead at that point...I hate the way george and cindy act.....

I think my problem is I try to imagine how they would feel in that situation and nothing nothing nothing they've ever done or said is what I would have done or said....

it's a screwed up messed up crazy case with untrustworthy characters all the way around.....

I even felt sorry for casey at the beginning...I thought it was a terrible horrible accident and she was in a panic....I don't think that anymore..and haven't for a long time.....

eta GOOD MORNING

[101Spots]

Oh yes, another brilliant blunder, courtesy of baez. This tape is devastating to the picture he wants to paint of casey anthony as a VICTIM.

imo


B...b...bu....bu.....but she *said* she was a victim. Don't you believe her????:scared:


<snort>
:cursing:

[Dunlurken]

I do too, Kitty! I want the Pros. to BLOW them up for the jurors to see!

I will stop being emotional, and agree with you 100%. Maybe that's why Baez kept that tape "hidden".

[bballgrl]

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg

LOVE those pictures. Those should be blown up Poster sized and placed in the court room by the Prosecution...:thumbsup:

Yeah I know... too prejudicial .....

[Lavenia]

I don't think she's articulate at all. She used the same words over and over. Her vocabulary is limited in these same words.

ITA! My 17 year old daughter, who is very articulate and intelligent BTW :wink:, saw part of Casey's jailhouse tape this morning without any editorializing from me. Her comments, "She thinks she so much smarter than she is. It's all about her, isn't it? What a whiny brat!"

That's my girl! :wub:

[trt]

I hope the jurors get to see her like that.........she truly has a dark side IMO

Hey FA!! ITA, I think the prosecutor should use these frames in his opening and closing statements to give the juror an idea of the horror that little Caylee faced in her last moments at the hands of such a monster. That last frame is a picture of pure evil, IMO.

[SavannahStar]

Good Morning everyone -

Listening to the new tape last night, I saw something different about Casey's anger with Cindy.....

Cindy say's, "I was in Lake County the other day. Was anything there"?

She is asking if Caylee is in the Lake.

Casey comes unglued because her mom is all but giving the game away.

(Like cheating in a partnered card game....."Hope Valentine's day is coming soon, etc....)

They all know Caylee is gone. The A's are desparate to locate Caylee's remains before someone in LE does. Once Caylee is found, there go all the business deals.

jmo

bolding mine.

I don't agree. I live here in FL and Lake COUNTY is just that....a county. It has lakes but not any more than Orange County where they live (Orlando). Google will confirm that for you.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well I went back to watch the video again.
I knew this part was coming but it still made me jump back and say WHOA!
No doubt in my mind the A's knew Caylee was gone and who the monster was responsible
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/Caseytantrum002.jpg

Thanks Ell. I'd like to see the second photo blown up to posterboard size and displayed side by side with the beautiful photo of Caylee, the one where she looks like an angel, when the prosecutor's deliver their closing arguments to the jury.

I bet poor Caylee saw that face more then once during her very short life.

imo.

[Pooh]

ITA! My 17 year old daughter, who is very articulate and intelligent BTW :wink:, saw part of Casey's jailhouse tape this morning without any editorializing from me. Her comments, "She thinks she so much smarter than she is. It's all about her, isn't it? What a whiny brat!"

That's my girl! :wub:

Give her a high five for me!! LOL

[ellegna]

I'd like to send those photo's to Casey with the words... So, this is the last thing Caylee seen before you killed her....your rage.

I never believed it was an accident. I always thought Casey killed Caylee while still in a rage over her fight with Cindy. Maybe Caylee was crying and begging for her cee cee and that threw Casey into another rage

[kitty1182]

Hey FA!! ITA, I think the prosecutor should use these frames in his opening and closing statements to give the juror an idea of the horror that little Caylee faced in her last moments at the hands of such a monster. That last frame is a picture of pure evil, IMO.



I hope in the closing statement by the pro., those 2 pics will be blown up and beside of those will be the video of Caylee singing..

[num1barb]

I must say dunnie isn't the only one that has changed her mind....I've gone from feeling so sorry for george and cindy to thinking they are almost as bad as their daughter ......and back again....I still feel so sorry for cindy and george watching these tapes.....I really don't think they, including Lee....knew for sure that Caylee was dead at that point...I hate the way george and cindy act.....

I think my problem is I try to imagine how they would feel in that situation and nothing nothing nothing they've ever done or said is what I would have done or said....

it's a screwed up messed up crazy case with untrustworthy characters all the way around.....

I even felt sorry for casey at the beginning...I thought it was a terrible horrible accident and she was in a panic....I don't think that anymore..and haven't for a long time.....

eta GOOD MORNING


Bolding is mine.

I've WANTED to believe that they didn't know, but every time my sympathetic heart says "they didn't know" my rational brain says " they smelled the car, they cleaned the car, they saw the stain, they looked UNDER pavers in their backyard".

I'm a grandparent and I'd like to think and feel that as Caylee's grandparents they would do what was in the best interest of Caylee.


But they don't. And they didn't. MOO

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe it was Caylee's father, grandfather or uncle?????

I agree it could have been her uncle.

[Dunlurken]

LOVE those pictures. Those should be blown up Poster sized and placed in the court room by the Prosecution...:thumbsup:

Yeah I know... too prejudicial .....

You think it would be too prejudicial? You might be right. Hadn't thought about it in the legal sense. Heck, the tapes will come in as evidence I think, or else Baez has his work cut out for him. JMO.

I guess that's why all the debate about leaks are coming out. Who leaked what, etc. This is a whole nother debate. JMO.

[CC I See]

Thanks Ell. I'd like to see the second photo blown up to posterboard size and displayed side by side with the beautiful photo of Caylee, the one where she looks like an angel, when the prosecutor's deliver their closing arguments to the jury.

I bet poor Caylee saw that face more then once during her very short life.

imo.
... I wonder if any of the men she slept with ever looked at her face during their brief encounters. Must have been interesting.

[Regina.Lampert]

Hey FA!! ITA, I think the prosecutor should use these frames in his opening and closing statements to give the juror an idea of the horror that little Caylee faced in her last moments at the hands of such a monster. That last frame is a picture of pure evil, IMO.

Great minds think alike T., you having the quicker mind................. :thumbup:

[Barbara fl.]

right on, Regina. It's also her way of still getting back at her Mother for calling 911.


That's another thing.....Casey is so into Casey, she probably wants to say to her mother "how dare you call 911 to report MY daughter missing"?....This Casey must have really thought that Caylee missing could have went unnoticed....and all would have been ok, she could have went right on clubbing and having a ball....and no one would have been the wiser.....but CINDY had to blow her whole thing by calling 911.....How dare Cindy do that? How dare the police are brought into this? Now look, poor Casey is sitting in jail ALL because Cindy called 911....isn't that a shame?

I hope Cindy knows that Casey will never forgive her for calling LE, she probably curses Cindy everytime she wakes up in that cell.....That is probably why she wanted to see her father and not Cindy....she probably wish's she could do the same to Cindy what she did to Caylee....she's probably sorry she DIDN'T....

[happygert]

What the heck are they waiting for to bury Caylees remains?Highest bidder to film the memorial?
Hoping as long as Caylee doesnt have a funeral no one will be arrested?
I cant figure out why this child hasnt been laid to rest.

IMO all of the above.. IMO she was treated in life as she has been in death..ALWAYS LAST!...They all are so self centered they are always first..It will probably be quite awhile before this poor baby is laid to rest.. I know if it was my child or Grandchild It would have been done already.. Her body was released on DEC 22, 2nd Autopsy was done on the 2nd of Jan.. thats been 2 weeks ago, Yet she still lays in a cardboard box in a cooler. NO RESPECT for this Baby at all..Its all about the A's and how much money they can make.. Lenny has more respect and compassion for Caylee then her own family does. Thank GOD Lenny gave that memorial to her.. Thanks Lenny for the respect you gave poor Little Caylee.

[WillowInFlight]

I will stop being emotional, and agree with you 100%. Maybe that's why Baez kept that tape "hidden".

What I would like , is for you to get your facts straight. :wink::wink:

[margaritaville]

That would creep me out.



Me too... and I know I would not let him in my house...
I would really have to wonder about his mental stability...
What if that was just a cover to get close to them, to hurt them??
I know not everyone is evil like their daughter..
But here is this nutty guy out praying in their front yard..And not on vigil night.........nope......its way to strange!!

MOO

[bballgrl]

You think it would be too prejudicial? You might be right. Hadn't thought about it in the legal sense. Heck, the tapes will come in as evidence I think, or else Baez has his work cut out for him. JMO.

I guess that's why all the debate about leaks are coming out. Who leaked what, etc. This is a whole nother debate. JMO.

Yeah, as much as I would like to see them in court, I think that a judge would rule against it.... BUT... that doesn't mean I can't dream. LOL

[Neffy]

Has anyone discussed Casey's comment that Jose shared NG clips with her? I guess atty-client privilege covers a host of things but that just doesn't seem kosher to me. When did he get his request to bring in his laptop?

What's there to discuss LOL! This sunshine law really exposes the unprofessionalism of Jose Baez. What the heck was that about.

I'll even go a step further that if Jose brought in some HBO or Cinemax movie to watch to give her a break from laying on her cot while he is working on her case just to infact be nice so his client doesn't go stir crazy I'd probably at least understand.

They watched Nancy Grace together? OMG! What in the world could the purpose be in that?

[AbbyNormal]

bolding mine.

I don't agree. I live here in FL and Lake COUNTY is just that....a county. It has lakes but not any more than Orange County where they live (Orlando). Google will confirm that for you.
Hi Savannah,

Cindy is not literally pointing to Lake County. I think she is saying, in essence, "We still can't find the body" -- "Is she under water?"

Casey goes from zero to ten because dear old mom is about to give away the game. And all her time sitting alone in jail would be for nothing. No more business deals.

[playnice]

Thanks Ell. I'd like to see the second photo blown up to posterboard size and displayed side by side with the beautiful photo of Caylee, the one where she looks like an angel, when the prosecutor's deliver their closing arguments to the jury.

I bet poor Caylee saw that face more then once during her very short life.

imo.

She will come to court all dressed up with glasses for that school teacher look she sported for the pc on the day of her murder arrest.
I hope these pics make it to the court room in some form, video or still.
This clearly shows how she can go from sweet to evil.

[trt]

Great minds think alike T., you having the quicker mind................. :thumbup:

LOL...I just saw your post and was getting ready to post that as well!! It would be a wonderful visual wouldn't it? That alone (along with kitty's suggestion of Caylee singing) would do it for me as a juror. That poor baby girl!!

Are you going to try and go or is this cold going to have you watching it at home? :)

[kitty1182]

Yeah, as much as I would like to see them in court, I think that a judge would rule against it.... BUT... that doesn't mean I can't dream. LOL

I would like to have seen the Judge's face when he viewed this tape..lol

[TisMeAgain]

I feel like she is playing a game and it is not right. That question alone proves it to me. Anyone following this case daily know Cindy knew early on Casey killed Caylee.

I agree sedation, this is about a sweet little two year old child who was murdered by her very own Mother, it's sad that people would use this to play games. It's a sad thing thing all the way around. What also is so terrible is that this poor child has still not been layed to rest.

[Jester]

That's another thing.....Casey is so into Casey, she probably wants to say to her mother "how dare you call 911 to report MY daughter missing"?....This Casey must have really thought that Caylee missing could have went unnoticed....and all would have been ok, she could have went right on clubbing and having a ball....and no one would have been the wiser.....but CINDY had to blow her whole thing by calling 911.....How dare Cindy do that? How dare the police are brought into this? Now look, poor Casey is sitting in jail ALL because Cindy called 911....isn't that a shame?

I hope Cindy knows that Casey will never forgive her for calling LE, she probably curses Cindy everytime she wakes up in that cell.....That is probably why she wanted to see her father and not Cindy....she probably wish's she could do the same to Cindy what she did to Caylee....she's probably sorry she DIDN'T....

Interesting point. When Cindy said she didn't have the means to get Casey out of jail, Casey implies that she did have a chance. I wondered if she wasn't suggesting that Cindy had a chance to keep quiet, but chose to call 911.

[Dunlurken]

Yeah, as much as I would like to see them in court, I think that a judge would rule against it.... BUT... that doesn't mean I can't dream. LOL

Yes, we can dream. I wonder if prosecution could figure out some way to get them up there, especially for closing argument? Guess only time will tell. IMO, it does show the true Casey.

[marshmallow]

I can. I have always thought casey anthony is in control of those remains, even more so after looking at the 8/14 tape.


3. Hurt her daughter again, killing her was not enough, imo, she was jealous of her and hated her.

IMO.


I tend to lean that way too. After viewing Casey on the tapes last night and again this morning, I can see her thinking "look what Caylee made me do" and thinking "see what Caylee did to boink-up my life" ...I can see her mentally blaming everyone and everything but herself.

- Cindy for not going along with Casey and for being angry over Casey stealing from her grandparents.

- Caylee for causing this by making Casey kill her

- Lee for not going along with everything she said/did

- George for reentering the family picture, cutting off Casey's free rein over Cindy.

- the FBI/LE for not believing her lies and having the audacity to question her story.


the list would go on and on...

and Baez is probably (in my opinion) playing her. Keeping her sequestered from anything he doesn't want her to see/read. Keeping her apart from her family by playing on her selfishness and paranoia... ex: "I don't want you to see them, they'll repeat or twist what you say" or "see your Mom on the tv??? see her loving the press, she doesn't care about you Casey.." I think this disconnect from everyone but Baez is deliberate on his part. I think he wants the glory of the trial to showcase himself. He's using Casey as a way to get it.

again, my own thoughts not fact.

[bhardy1956]

On the Record w/Greta

Casey Anthony in New Jailhouse Video: 'I'm So Beyond Frustrated!'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480148,00.html

Casey: No, you don't, because you are still asking me if there is anything I can tell you that can help, that I am the one that can do this. I can't.

The opportunity was there that I probably could have helped. I am trying. I was trying. There is nothing more that I can say or do until I'm home, and even then, I do not know what I can do from that point. But I can least do something other than sit on my butt on day and read or look up stuff for my case, because that has to be my focus right now. That has to be my focus-

Cindy: Caylee-

Casey: Mom, if that is my focus, which it is, I can't do anything from here. I do not have access to the Internet. I can't make phone calls. I can't go anywhere.


Does anyone know where to get the whole transcript of the jailhouse video? I watched it lastnight, but couldn't hear it very well.

[TisMeAgain]

I would like to have seen the Judge's face when he viewed this tape..lol

Me too, I hope this makes him have her appear everytime in court.

[Mandymax]

Just saw the video, and I continue to be absolutely fascinated by Casey.

She and Scott Peterson - two of a kind. I think, like Scott, Casey honestly believes her own lies and delusions without question. And also like Scott, I think Casey lived her entire life having free reign over that family. For whatever reason, George and Cindy are completely cowed and manipulated by her, just like Lee and Jackie Peterson were by Scott.

And just like Scott has, by all reports, adjusted to prison life fairly well, I believe Casey will have absolutely no problems. Something tells me she will be more than capable of taking care of herself there. And that's not a compliment.

As always, my own opinion.

[happygert]

That's another thing.....Casey is so into Casey, she probably wants to say to her mother "how dare you call 911 to report MY daughter missing"?....This Casey must have really thought that Caylee missing could have went unnoticed....and all would have been ok, she could have went right on clubbing and having a ball....and no one would have been the wiser.....but CINDY had to blow her whole thing by calling 911.....How dare Cindy do that? How dare the police are brought into this? Now look, poor Casey is sitting in jail ALL because Cindy called 911....isn't that a shame?

I hope Cindy knows that Casey will never forgive her for calling LE, she probably curses Cindy everytime she wakes up in that cell.....That is probably why she wanted to see her father and not Cindy....she probably wish's she could do the same to Cindy what she did to Caylee....she's probably sorry she DIDN'T....


Yes and in the 911 call casey asks cindy why do they want to talk to me?

[kitty1182]

Me too, I hope this makes him have her appear everytime in court.



I think she should be made to appear...

[playnice]

Dunnie... Baez filed a motion so he could get this 'hidden' tape. The OCSO claims they simply forgot about it & that is why it wasn't released before yesterday.

Baez didn't keep this video 'hidden.'

The exact opposite, actually.

I think it is funny. Baez bumbled again. G&C or KC told him there was LE misconduct and instead it shows evil client. He deserves it though for taking the words of proven liars.

[BlueTurtle]

She's driving the bus because they allow her to drive it. Probably always have. I've seen it happen with extended family members. At 2 the kid pitches a fit. Mom and Dad give in. At 3 the fits continue and Mom and Dad give in. And so on. They lost control at a very young age most likely.

JMO

My sister drove our bus. My sister was born to argue and had a forceful personality. She just recently was diagnosed with a bipolar disorder which makes my childhood make sense. It is easy to fall into patterns since you try to avoid anything that would trigger a blowup. The problem is, is that anything can trigger an upset. I was shellshocked and it was as a 33 yo that I finally found out why I reacted to situations the way I did. Unfortunately, the myth of a loving family can be detrimental to a child when it doesn't match reality.
I imagine it is even harder these days for parenting since we see all the rudeness of children on kids shows that some might accept as the norm. Flippent attitudes to parents, a sense of entitlement to things not earned, a feeling that lies are acceptable.
Casey has a lot of growing up to do, but it is probably too late for her to learn to have any compassion/empathy for others. She can read people and adapt so she gets some of her needs met, but in the long run she can't keep it up. Jesse was correct in saying she is different from how she was before. What she seemed to relish as activities with Jesse, were dropped since she wasn't getting all her needs met. She moved on to find someone else to meet the needs and adapted to please them.

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie... Baez filed a motion so he could get this 'hidden' tape. The OCSO claims they simply forgot about it & that is why it wasn't released before yesterday.

Baez didn't keep this video 'hidden.'

The exact opposite, actually.

Here's my crazy "take" as usual. He got a whole lot more than he bargained for. Bet he wishes he never got it "released". JMO.

You know the old saying, be careful what you ask for, you just might get it. LOL.

[Roux]

It was way after that visit..

Thanks Gert. I did seem to recall that the laptop thing was way past 8/14.

[Regina.Lampert]

LOL...I just saw your post and was getting ready to post that as well!! It would be a wonderful visual wouldn't it? That alone (along with kitty's suggestion of Caylee singing) would do it for me as a juror. That poor baby girl!!

Are you going to try and go or is this cold going to have you watching it at home? :)

LOL, as quick as we were, I think BBallgirl beat both of us out, Kitty was hot on the trail too.

Oh gosh, what with the entire town caught up in the purple passion I think my little self will stay right here, watching from the warm and comfie lazy chair. :smile:

[Lavenia]

Just saw the video, and I continue to be absolutely fascinated by Casey.

She and Scott Peterson - two of a kind. I think, like Scott, Casey honestly believes her own lies and delusions without question. And also like Scott, I think Casey lived her entire life having free reign over that family. For whatever reason, George and Cindy are completely cowed and manipulated by her, just like Lee and Jackie Peterson were by Scott.

And just like Scott has, by all reports, adjusted to prison life fairly well, I believe Casey will have absolutely no problems. Something tells me she will be more than capable of taking care of herself there. And that's not a compliment.

As always, my own opinion.

ITA with your assessment. :thumbup:

[101Spots]

I tend to lean that way too. After viewing Casey on the tapes last night and again this morning, I can see her thinking "look what Caylee made me do" and thinking "see what Caylee did to boink-up my life" ...I can see her mentally blaming everyone and everything but herself.

- Cindy for not going along with Casey and for being angry over Casey stealing from her grandparents.

- Caylee for causing this by making Casey kill her

- Lee for not going along with everything she said/did

- George for reentering the family picture, cutting off Casey's free rein over Cindy.

- the FBI/LE for not believing her lies and having the audacity to question her story.


the list would go on and on...

and Baez is probably (in my opinion) playing her. Keeping her sequestered from anything he doesn't want her to see/read. Keeping her apart from her family by playing on her selfishness and paranoia... ex: "I don't want you to see them, they'll repeat or twist what you say" or "see your Mom on the tv??? see her loving the press, she doesn't care about you Casey.." I think this disconnect from everyone but Baez is deliberate on his part. I think he wants the glory of the trial to showcase himself. He's using Casey as a way to get it.

again, my own thoughts not fact.

Like the cheap fiddle she is.

And vice-versa, I might add.

[Jester]

Another point that got my attention was when Casey said she chose George for a private visit, and Cindy simply passed the phone to George. She was upset that she wasn't chosen. I have to wonder if Casey and Cindy weren't also competing for George's attention and affection. We know there was jealousy between Casey and Cindy over Caylee, but it may have been a continuation of jealousy between them over George - possibly something they had experienced for many years already.

[WillowInFlight]

Dunnie... Baez filed a motion so he could get this 'hidden' tape. The OCSO claims they simply forgot about it & that is why it wasn't released before yesterday.

Baez didn't keep this video 'hidden.'

The exact opposite, actually.

Same old, same old. doesn't read a thing, but can post and will accoding to what we post. It's gonna be hell come trial time. LOL

[FeelinFroggy617]

exactly.

I notice the roles for this family falling into place.

Cindy: Queen Mum, but losing her throne to the Princess. Lots of power struggles there, she raised a Princess but has to fight for control of the power. This time Casey has the best weapon and she's not going to give it up.

Casey: spoiled rotten with emphisis on rotten. Self absorbed, selfcentered, and coniving.

Lee: left out, overshadowed by his mother and sister. Delegated to the role of peacekeeper and secret keeper. Never the center of affection

George: Cindy's whipping boy, Casey's scorn target. Remember the way she felt about George earlier ..from her e-mails and texts and facebook. She dispised him, until she needed him. Cindy will always keep George in his place because he screwed up and now she owns his...donkey.

Casey must've learned at an early age what works with each family member. Guilt and threats (w/Mom), or keeping secrets from the world (w/ Lee), or the threat of losing her temper and her affection (George)

if you look at each of these jailhouse tapes with them embers of her family you can see her work the buttons.
<in my words>
Flirty and on the same team with Lee, angry and resentful with Cindy, playing the wounded little victim with George "but Daddy we've only just reconnected...bateyesbatbatbat... I picked you" "haha Mother, I chose him you horrible woman how dare you question me." " see what happens when you push me too hard Lee, now I've cut you off and you're not on my team anymore".



poor Caylee.


Excellent post! I couldn't have said it any better! I'm sorry but if Casey was my child, I seriously think I could walk away and live with myself!

[happygert]

This makes me sooooooooo mad. How can anyone not be enraged by this total disregard for this child? I'd say most of us here care more about Caylee than anyone in that family. :cursing:

ITA....When I see her with her great grandpa I start crying.. Then I think this was the last day this little girl was a live. Then I'm fuming mad..Ready to go shake the crap right out of the whole dang clan..

[Neffy]

Interesting point. When Cindy said she didn't have the means to get Casey out of jail, Casey implies that she did have a chance. I wondered if she wasn't suggesting that Cindy had a chance to keep quiet, but chose to call 911.

I don't know what her chance was. Like the window of opportunity is gone for Casey to help, for Casey to be out, for Caylee to be found.

But she doesn't apply the month delay to Caylee being missing, she just applies it to her jail time.

As soon as Casey was locked up they blew it. The opportunity is gone to track down Caylee. She transfers everything to some one else.

That reminds me. She makes reference to giving information to George, Cindy or Lee and they turned it over to the police and you know what there agenda is. Her veiled animousity is peeks out.

Unfortunately you have to watch this dang thing a few times as I've caught a few of these but I can take watching it so much it's so disturbing.

[num1barb]

Just saw the video, and I continue to be absolutely fascinated by Casey.

She and Scott Peterson - two of a kind. I think, like Scott, Casey honestly believes her own lies and delusions without question. And also like Scott, I think Casey lived her entire life having free reign over that family. For whatever reason, George and Cindy are completely cowed and manipulated by her, just like Lee and Jackie Peterson were by Scott.

And just like Scott has, by all reports, adjusted to prison life fairly well, I believe Casey will have absolutely no problems. Something tells me she will be more than capable of taking care of herself there. And that's not a compliment.

As always, my own opinion.


Bolding is mine.

Yes, ITA. She will have NO problem adjusting to prison life.

It's probably a relief to her. No more pretend job and having to disappear for hours every day when she was supposed to be working.

No more worrying about who she would steal from next. She has complete strangers putting money into her commissary account.

No more mom pushing her to parent a child she didn't want in the first place.

I'm guessing there is a certain amount of freedom in that for her.

Earlier today i posted about my brother who's been in and out of penal institutions most of his life. He has actually said that when he gets tired of dealing with working and taking care of himself that he'd do something to violate his parole just so he could go back to jail and be taken care of.

MOO

[TisMeAgain]

Same old, same old. doesn't read a thing, but can post and will accoding to what we post. It's gonna be hell come trial time. LOL

LMAO! OH so true! :thumbsup:

[BlueTurtle]

ITA When a sociopath identifies someone as a good game piece, she studies that person. She makes it her business to know how that person can be manipulated and used, and, to this end just how her chosen pawn can be flattered and charmed. In addition she knows how to promote a sense of familiarity or intimacy by claiming that she and her victim are similar in some way. Victims often recall statements like "You know, I think you and are a lot alike." :scared:

I keep thinking that when her mother was talking about having a flat tire, and Casey pipes up with, "Guess what, so did I!" in a perky way. I felt it was her way to relate to her mom we are just alike.

[Lavenia]

Like the cheap fiddle she is.

And vice-versa, I might add.

Yup. Neither a victim here, IMO. No telethons for either one would be my guess.

[Dunlurken]

That's your most UNcrazy take yet. :)

I agree.

Occasionally, I guess I make some sense. LOL.

I'll tell you one thing, if they play the video of Caylee singing "you are my sunshine", as a juror I would totally lose it.

I might need a break here soon. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Hi Savannah,

Cindy is not literally pointing to Lake County. I think she is saying, in essence, "We still can't find the body" -- "Is she under water?"

Casey goes from zero to ten because dear old mom is about to give away the game. And all her time sitting alone in jail would be for nothing. No more business deals.

Okay, well we can agree to disagree. Lake County is an actual county, really has nothing to do with a particular lake or water. I think in that case what she said was a matter of "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".......

No prob.

[marshmallow]

feel free to laugh at me for this question, I'll even laugh at myself too ..I do it often :lol:

but............
back in the very begining when Cindy told Casey she would not give her any other day, was it ever revealed that Casey's boyfriend had something going on that night that she might not have wanted to miss out on?

[Roux]

What's there to discuss LOL! This sunshine law really exposes the unprofessionalism of Jose Baez. What the heck was that about.

I'll even go a step further that if Jose brought in some HBO or Cinemax movie to watch to give her a break from laying on her cot while he is working on her case just to infact be nice so his client doesn't go stir crazy I'd probably at least understand.

They watched Nancy Grace together? OMG! What in the world could the purpose be in that?

Regarding the sunshine law, did you hear Mickey Sherman last night on NG criticizing Florida and being oh so indignant about how terrible it is for these visits to be available. Just what you would expect from a defense attorney's perspective. :mad:

[SavannahStar]

Cindy's parents are in Lake county also, maybe Cindy was visiting them. Lake County incinarates their trash and at the time some theories were floating around that Casey might have put Caylee in a dumpster there so as not to have any evidence found.

JMO


Thanks, I see a couple of posters have addressed this also.....

[Jester]

I tend to lean that way too. After viewing Casey on the tapes last night and again this morning, I can see her thinking "look what Caylee made me do" and thinking "see what Caylee did to boink-up my life" ...I can see her mentally blaming everyone and everything but herself.

- Cindy for not going along with Casey and for being angry over Casey stealing from her grandparents.

- Caylee for causing this by making Casey kill her

- Lee for not going along with everything she said/did

- George for reentering the family picture, cutting off Casey's free rein over Cindy.

- the FBI/LE for not believing her lies and having the audacity to question her story.


the list would go on and on...

and Baez is probably (in my opinion) playing her. Keeping her sequestered from anything he doesn't want her to see/read. Keeping her apart from her family by playing on her selfishness and paranoia... ex: "I don't want you to see them, they'll repeat or twist what you say" or "see your Mom on the tv??? see her loving the press, she doesn't care about you Casey.." I think this disconnect from everyone but Baez is deliberate on his part. I think he wants the glory of the trial to showcase himself. He's using Casey as a way to get it.

again, my own thoughts not fact.

That's exactly what I think. Casey's parents don't like Baez and want Casey to reconsider her choice of lawyer, but Baez is playing with Casey's head and trying to drive a wedge between Casey and her parents. He's afraid that if she listens to her parents and gets a different lawyer, his 15 minutes of fame and fortune will be over.

Casey mentions that she's not supposed to talk to her parents or take visits, and that advice could only come from Baez.

[artdonkey]

Sorry if this has already been discussed. Cindy has said that there is always some truth in Casey's lies. Usually the case with all liars. Is it possible that George's gas can story is true, but the date of the 24th is not? Maybe this happened closer to the 18th, 19th and that Caylee and the bad smell was in the trunk in the garabage bag then and that is the day Casey also deposited the bag in the wooded area.

[Pooh]

Just saw the video, and I continue to be absolutely fascinated by Casey.

She and Scott Peterson - two of a kind. I think, like Scott, Casey honestly believes her own lies and delusions without question. And also like Scott, I think Casey lived her entire life having free reign over that family. For whatever reason, George and Cindy are completely cowed and manipulated by her, just like Lee and Jackie Peterson were by Scott.

And just like Scott has, by all reports, adjusted to prison life fairly well, I believe Casey will have absolutely no problems. Something tells me she will be more than capable of taking care of herself there. And that's not a compliment.

As always, my own opinion.

Great post and ITA. Ya know what I kept wanting G & C to ask her? When Casey was going on and on about how she can't do anything from there and how she told LE everything? Why didnt G or C ask her why she lied to LE?? Every time C asked Casey a question about her story, Casey blew up. She had no intentions of "going there". But to let her go off like that and for them to just sit there and listen and call her sweetheart and gorgeous? GMAB. They didn't try very hard imo.

[crimeq]

I didn't detect a fear in general of Casey....what I did detect was their fear of crossing her, or making her angry, or demanding too much....because then she would totally shut down. They are still hoping to get information about Caylee, and they believe only Casey holds those answers. At that point I still think they have been convinced by her (snowed by her) of the nanny story. They truly want more information but she just talks in circles. They feel that if they are too harsh with her all communication will be closed completely. IMO.


I agree with this. I don't think Casey ruled the household prior to Caylee's disappearance. I think Cindy ruled, and Casey lashed back at her in anger all the time. Remember Cindy's first two 911 calls. SHE was in charge, she was running the show, she was willing to call the cops on her daughter to force some behavior on her part. I think that is a picture of the real dynamics in the house of Anthony.

Since Caylee's disappearance, Cindy and George know that ONLY Casey has the answers. Cindy's demeanor in this latest released tape looks to me like she knows Caylee is gone; she knows Casey is responsible; she WANTS to believe the nanny story, wanting to believe in the slightest hope that Caylee is still alive and may be found. Cindy looks like a destroyed woman in this tape. But both she and George know they must coddle Casey to get any information that she might give up and they know not to cross her because Casey will clam up, leave, and not see them/talk to them (uh oh, she did that anyway). George is calling her "the boss". That's to appease her, I think, but I do NOT think it's typical of what went on in the household before this incident. Casey was a reactor to Cindy--an angry one--but I think Cindy still called the shots at that time.

This picture of black rage in Casey's soul is damning. I hope the jury gets to see it. It's also a very useful peek into how a sociopath works. I was quite surprised to learn that at the time of this jailhouse visit, Casey already knew Lenny was coming to bail her out--but she was still punishing Cindy and George for not getting her out beforehand.

[TisMeAgain]

Particularly noteworthy is George telling Casey 'think of all this as a conglomerate... a business... you're the boss.' Paraphrased.

A 'business' indeed.

Wasn't that crazy. I do NOT get why they keep letting her hold all the cards. The games up, they needed to hang the phone up and walk out.

[happy2bme]

I am listening again to the video.


Casey says she has no contact with anyone but Baez. She then tells George that "people" where telling her about Cindy making chili?



WHAT PEOPLE? It couldn't be inmates because I thought she wasn't supposed to have contact with them, right?

[Annie143]

exactly.

I notice the roles for this family falling into place.

Cindy: Queen Mum, but losing her throne to the Princess. Lots of power struggles there, she raised a Princess but has to fight for control of the power. This time Casey has the best weapon and she's not going to give it up.

Casey: spoiled rotten with emphisis on rotten. Self absorbed, selfcentered, and coniving.

Lee: left out, overshadowed by his mother and sister. Delegated to the role of peacekeeper and secret keeper. Never the center of affection

George: Cindy's whipping boy, Casey's scorn target. Remember the way she felt about George earlier ..from her e-mails and texts and facebook. She dispised him, until she needed him. Cindy will always keep George in his place because he screwed up and now she owns his...donkey.

Casey must've learned at an early age what works with each family member. Guilt and threats (w/Mom), or keeping secrets from the world (w/ Lee), or the threat of losing her temper and her affection (George)

if you look at each of these jailhouse tapes with them embers of her family you can see her work the buttons.<in my words>

Flirty and on the same team with Lee, angry and resentful with Cindy, playing the wounded little victim with George "but Daddy we've only just reconnected...bateyesbatbatbat... I picked you" "haha Mother, I chose him you horrible woman how dare you question me." " see what happens when you push me too hard Lee, now I've cut you off and you're not on my team anymore".

poor Caylee.I am not a big fan of posting whole quotes when I want only a snip from one (kind of lazy and bandwidth hoggin' but..)
this post nails it and bears repeating, more than once. I dont follow this case as some do and I am pretty selective what I spend my time reading. Having said that, I did listen to the video and I was stunned, to say the least. Then reading the post above.......no one could have summed it up better.....:beer:

[Lavenia]

Bolding is mine.

Yes, ITA. She will have NO problem adjusting to prison life.

It's probably a relief to her. No more pretend job and having to disappear for hours every day when she was supposed to be working.

No more worrying about who she would steal from next. She has complete strangers putting money into her commissary account.

No more mom pushing her to parent a child she didn't want in the first place.

I'm guessing there is a certain amount of freedom in that for her.

Earlier today i posted about my brother who's been in and out of penal institutions most of his life. He has actually said that when he gets tired of dealing with working and taking care of himself that he'd do something to violate his parole just so he could go back to jail and be taken care of.

MOO

Quite frequently people with severe personality disorders do better in correctional settings. The boundaries, discipline, impulse control and other feelings that they lack internally are enforced externally by the setting and give them a more defined guideline of how to properly live than what they can conjure for themselves, IMO.

[playnice]

I keep thinking that when her mother was talking about having a flat tire, and Casey pipes up with, "Guess what, so did I!" in a perky way. I felt it was her way to relate to her mom we are just alike.

Well in the tape from last night Cindy was sick. Oh course Casey had to come back later with she was sick too. She was getting a cold.
Hey, Cindy was only getting sick from worrying her self to death about what happened to Caylee. No big deal.
I think if anyone has a problem Casey always has one bigger and more important.

[ConchGirl]

Particularly noteworthy is George telling Casey 'think of all this as a conglomerate... a business... you're the boss.' Paraphrased.

A 'business' indeed.

The OC mentions business more than once in her jail interviews. Jose came by last night but we just discussed the business angle of things. :confused:

[5boxersmom]

Wasn't that crazy. I do NOT get why they keep letting her hold all the cards. The games up, they needed to hang the phone up and walk out.

I wonder if it would have played out differently if they had? They kissed her behind big time.

jmo

[Jester]

I don't know what her chance was. Like the window of opportunity is gone for Casey to help, for Casey to be out, for Caylee to be found.

But she doesn't apply the month delay to Caylee being missing, she just applies it to her jail time.

As soon as Casey was locked up they blew it. The opportunity is gone to track down Caylee. She transfers everything to some one else.

That reminds me. She makes reference to giving information to George, Cindy or Lee and they turned it over to the police and you know what there agenda is. Her veiled animousity is peeks out.

Unfortunately you have to watch this dang thing a few times as I've caught a few of these but I can take watching it so much it's so disturbing.

Yes, Casey makes it clear that she has to be released before she can help. It's her bartering system. You want something, I want something. You give me what I want, and maybe I'll give you what you want. Surprisingly, Padilla stepped up to the plate and gave her what she wanted, but it made no difference.

[spiritwolf46]

Spot on and isn't ironic that Cindy is following Jackie Peterson's play book to a T? Maybe Jackie gave her tips. :lol:


LOL! That is SO funny, because it is prolly TRUE! :lol:

[happygert]

Okay, well we can agree to disagree. Lake County is an actual county, really has nothing to do with a particular lake or water. I think in that case what she said was a matter of "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".......

No prob.

:lol: nothing is as they try to make it appear...no a cigar is not a cigar with this family...roflmao....:lol:

[5boxersmom]

I am listening again to the video.


Casey says she has no contact with anyone but Baez. She then tells George that "people" where telling her about Cindy making chili?



WHAT PEOPLE? It couldn't be inmates because I thought she wasn't supposed to have contact with them, right?

In her mind? :w00t:

I caught that too. I guess maybe she means Baez?

[margaritaville]

Bolding is mine.

Yes, ITA. She will have NO problem adjusting to prison life.

It's probably a relief to her. No more pretend job and having to disappear for hours every day when she was supposed to be working.

No more worrying about who she would steal from next. She has complete strangers putting money into her commissary account.

No more mom pushing her to parent a child she didn't want in the first place.

I'm guessing there is a certain amount of freedom in that for her.

Earlier today i posted about my brother who's been in and out of penal institutions most of his life. He has actually said that when he gets tired of dealing with working and taking care of himself that he'd do something to violate his parole just so he could go back to jail and be taken care of.

MOO

I think she will have issues not having her men....
I think she will probably try and seduce prison guards. moo

Other then that, I think she will adjust fine..

I think she will have a harder time adjusting if she is in GP....Being in isolation, probably wouldn't bother
her too much considering she would be with the person she loves the most, herself............MOO

[Pooh]

Sorry if this has already been discussed. Cindy has said that there is always some truth in Casey's lies. Usually the case with all liars. Is it possible that George's gas can story is true, but the date of the 24th is not? Maybe this happened closer to the 18th, 19th and that Caylee and the bad smell was in the trunk in the garabage bag then and that is the day Casey also deposited the bag in the wooded area.

IIRC, the date of the police report George made regarding the stolen gas cans was June 20th. Anyone - if I'm not remembering correctly, please set me straight.

[SavannahStar]

Regarding the sunshine law, did you hear Mickey Sherman last night on NG criticizing Florida and being oh so indignant about how terrible it is for these visits to be available. Just what you would expect from a defense attorney's perspective. :mad:

I'm no defense attorney and I think Casey is GUILTY to the max, but I hate the Sunshine Laws myself (and I'm in FL). I see NO reason for all this stuff (including but not limited to the videos) to be public. I don't even think all of LE or prosecution could think it's such a great idea. Sure could taint the jury pool, and who wants that, defense OR prosecution? A fair trial with NO mistakes or appelate issues is the goal. IMO.

[BlueTurtle]

ITA, Right now she is blaming Caylee, Cindy and George for her being where she's at, that blame will shift to Baez in no time. Oh well.

Which is why the prosecution wanted to make sure and have it in the records that she attended so effectiveness of council couldn't be used later on to strike down a guilty verdict.

[Dunlurken]

Was what he said to Tim before he searched Blanchard park respectful?

JMO

If we find a skull or something it could be worth loads of money. That's when Tim took a hike. JMO.

[margaritaville]

feel free to laugh at me for this question, I'll even laugh at myself too ..I do it often :lol:

but............
back in the very begining when Cindy told Casey she would not give her any other day, was it ever revealed that Casey's boyfriend had something going on that night that she might not have wanted to miss out on?


Not sure about that but IIRC she had an appointment the next day for a tattoo............moo

[SavannahStar]

:lol: nothing is as they try to make it appear...no a cigar is not a cigar with this family...roflmao....:lol:

On the other side of the coin, sometimes too much is read into everything, every little detail, nuance, word or sentence. :lol:

[lonetraveler]

which begs the questions: What could she find on the internet and who could she call?

---
If Casey was out of jail today, she most likely would be on the internet organizing her "Welcome Back" party at Fusions. It is very obvious to me that she is the total boss of the Anthony home. She played her father like a fiddle and played him against Cindy just like she has probably done since birth. I bet Lee could really tell some stories about how life really was in that house. It is plain to see that the entire world revolved around Casey's desires. I bet he could tell us horror stories centered around her temper tantrums. Casey probably on the night of the fight, told her mother that she was going to make sure that Cindy never saw her precious Caylee again, and she did just that. She hates her mother and will stop at nothing to get revenge. The punishment continues.

[kitty1182]

Question..
What was the link to where the t-shirts are being sold? Thanks!

[Dunlurken]

IIRC, the date of the police report George made regarding the stolen gas cans was June 20th. Anyone - if I'm not remembering correctly, please set me straight.

I'm pretty sure it was the 24th. And the cop, Cain, was the one who took the report. The same one who didn't give a carp when he showed up to investigate the crime scene that Kronk had called in about 3-4 times. JMO.

[breezie]

I'm sorry, I still think she is in denial. Did you ever wonder if she has not been exposed to as much as us on the boards have. Do you think she watches Nancy, Jane or Greta at night when all the THs are discussing and debating? I think she has chosen to be less exposed to the real facts than some here. JMO. Can't say that I blame her. I know I sure wouldn't be if my grand daughter's bones had been found. I'd be in a hole somewhere sucking my thumb. JMO

I'm sure she knows a LOT more than we do, Dun. She talks to LE. We don't. She knows what and who and why. I doubt she knows the where.

[Roux]

I am listening again to the video.


Casey says she has no contact with anyone but Baez. She then tells George that "people" where telling her about Cindy making chili?



WHAT PEOPLE? It couldn't be inmates because I thought she wasn't supposed to have contact with them, right?

She's pi$$ing & moaning about being all alone, only has herself for comfort, out of the loop, yet Baez is the one keeping her isolated.

[happygert]

Was what he said to Tim before he searched Blanchard park respectful?

JMO

Look you can bash Lenny all you want.. It makes no difference to me..I truly believe that Lenny was searching for Caylee's body as well as Tim was. You think about that statement no way would Lenny mess with evidence...Why would he do that so they could say that the BOUNTY HUNTER was INVOLVED with her DEATH..Just like everyone is spinning crap about the MR.. Lenny stepped up to the plate and gave Caylee a memorial service MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE HAS DONE. Even her own flesh and blood are leaving her in a cardboard box in a cooler....so bash away.

[ConchGirl]

Not sure about that but IIRC she had an appointment the next day for a tattoo............moo

She missed her appointment but she will have a ample opportunity to get all the tattoos she wants when she gets to the big house.

[AbbyNormal]

Particularly noteworthy is George telling Casey 'think of all this as a conglomerate... a business... you're the boss.' Paraphrased.

A 'business' indeed.
A. greed. $$$

It's not personal. It's business.

jmo

[trt]

I agree with this. I don't think Casey ruled the household prior to Caylee's disappearance. I think Cindy ruled, and Casey lashed back at her in anger all the time. Remember Cindy's first two 911 calls. SHE was in charge, she was running the show, she was willing to call the cops on her daughter to force some behavior on her part. I think that is a picture of the real dynamics in the house of Anthony.

Since Caylee's disappearance, Cindy and George know that ONLY Casey has the answers. Cindy's demeanor in this latest released tape looks to me like she knows Caylee is gone; she knows Casey is responsible; she WANTS to believe the nanny story, wanting to believe in the slightest hope that Caylee is still alive and may be found. Cindy looks like a destroyed woman in this tape. But both she and George know they must coddle Casey to get any information that she might give up and they know not to cross her because Casey will clam up, leave, and not see them/talk to them (uh oh, she did that anyway). George is calling her "the boss". That's to appease her, I think, but I do NOT think it's typical of what went on in the household before this incident. Casey was a reactor to Cindy--an angry one--but I think Cindy still called the shots at that time.

This picture of black rage in Casey's soul is damning. I hope the jury gets to see it. It's also a very useful peek into how a sociopath works. I was quite surprised to learn that at the time of this jailhouse visit, Casey already knew Lenny was coming to bail her out--but she was still punishing Cindy and George for not getting her out beforehand.


Casey didn't just learn how to manipulate them so artfully, IMO. This is not something that she has come up with over the last 6 months. It came so natural to her in the jail tape because she's been doing it forever, IMO. As someone else said, that explains why they didn't know anything about Zanny (Cindy questions where Zanny lives, Casey throws a b****fit and Cindy backs off)...why she was able to have them *believe* that she had a job for so long, it explains a lot. Whatever family dynamics that we are seeing play out on TV didn't sprout up over night. This horrible tragedy has simply brought all the ugliness out to the front, IMO.

[Dunlurken]

Look you can bash Lenny all you want.. It makes no difference to me..I truly believe that Lenny was searching for Caylee's body as well as Tim was. You think about that statement no way would Lenny mess with evidence...Why would he do that so they could say that the BOUNTY HUNTER was INVOLVED with her DEATH..Just like everyone is spinning crap about the MR.. Lenny stepped up to the plate and gave Caylee a memorial service MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE HAS DONE. Even her own flesh and blood are leaving her in a cardboard box in a cooler....so bash away.I give Lenny the benefit of the doubt. I never understood his wording when he said "daisy chain", so that is a new phrase for me. But, most of the time, he's right on target. I don't always agree with his methods, but he is helping to get this case solved. I respect him, all in all. JMO.

[happygert]

On the other side of the coin, sometimes too much is read into everything, every little detail, nuance, word or sentence. :lol:

On the other side of that ...Maybe not enough being read into it.....

[trt]

Was what he said to Tim before he searched Blanchard park respectful?

JMO


No...which, IMO makes the realization that he has been more respectful than her own family even sadder.

JMO

[really3997]

I have alot of reading to do I wanted to state that I am wondering if that tape will bring out the Anthony's out of hiding...I have a feeling it will anyone else...

[spiritwolf46]

Look you can bash Lenny all you want.. It makes no difference to me..I truly believe that Lenny was searching for Caylee's body as well as Tim was. You think about that statement no way would Lenny mess with evidence...Why would he do that so they could say that the BOUNTY HUNTER was INVOLVED with her DEATH..Just like everyone is spinning crap about the MR.. Lenny stepped up to the plate and gave Caylee a memorial service MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE HAS DONE. Even her own flesh and blood are leaving her in a cardboard box in a cooler....so bash away.

GREAT POST HAPPY! I am with ya!

[Neffy]

Regarding the sunshine law, did you hear Mickey Sherman last night on NG criticizing Florida and being oh so indignant about how terrible it is for these visits to be available. Just what you would expect from a defense attorney's perspective. :mad:

The sunshine law is a defense attorney's nigtmare as well as the defendants.

You have nothing to hide there shouldn't be a problem. It's most telling with the guilty.

[Barbara fl.]

My computer is going down every 15 or 20 minutes and taking forever to come back up.....Is anyone else having trouble? It seems to go down while I am responding to a thread......


One more time and I'll call it a day....

[Roux]

I'm no defense attorney and I think Casey is GUILTY to the max, but I hate the Sunshine Laws myself (and I'm in FL). I see NO reason for all this stuff (including but not limited to the videos) to be public. I don't even think all of LE or prosecution could think it's such a great idea. Sure could taint the jury pool, and who wants that, defense OR prosecution? A fair trial with NO mistakes or appelate issues is the goal. IMO.

But the Sunshine Laws cover a multitude of other activities than simply jail house phone calls and videos. They are extremely imortant in other venues. Maybe the Legislature needs to change the law to exempt criminal investigations. As an ex-Fl resident it raises my hackles when Mickey Sherman and Kathy Reichs dis my old homestead.

[kitty1182]

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Thanks..No, I'm not buying one..lol

[bballgrl]

LOL, as quick as we were, I think BBallgirl beat both of us out, Kitty was hot on the trail too.

Oh gosh, what with the entire town caught up in the purple passion I think my little self will stay right here, watching from the warm and comfie lazy chair. :smile:

Oh God.. I was just thinking... Geez we need that picture in the court room!!! But, alas... I am sure it won't be allowed in that room for fear of predjudicing the jury. *sigh* :thumbdown:

[Pooh]

The sunshine law is a defense attorney's nigtmare as well as the defendants.

You have nothing to hide there shouldn't be a problem. It's most telling with the guilty.

I agree. Mickey Sherman sure has a problem with it. He was talking about it last night on Nancy's show. Doesn't surprise me he would not like it as a defense attorney. Would have been great to see tapes of Skakel. I think the jury got that one right btw.

[Roux]

On the other side of the coin, sometimes too much is read into everything, every little detail, nuance, word or sentence. :lol:

As evidenced by many posters and TH's picking apart Mr. Kronk's statement.:smile:

[AbbyNormal]

Okay, well we can agree to disagree. Lake County is an actual county, really has nothing to do with a particular lake or water. I think in that case what she said was a matter of "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".......

No prob.I agree with you that Lake County is an actual county. I was trying to figure out what Cindy meant -- not what she said. Whatever she meant.......Casey understood exactly (and that is why we see her go from zero to ten in a blink).

jmo

[kitty1182]

Oh God.. I was just thinking... Geez we need that picture in the court room!!! But, alas... I am sure it won't be allowed in that room for fear of predjudicing the jury. *sigh* :thumbdown:



Maybe someone will have some shirts made with it on it and wear them......:tongue:

[Dunlurken]

Thanks..No, I'm not buying one..lol

I wouldn't buy one either. We don't know if the money would go for Casey's defense, which I would not participate in now. JMO.

[desmom]

Particularly noteworthy is George telling Casey 'think of all this as a conglomerate... a business... you're the boss.' Paraphrased.

A 'business' indeed.

What the heck is with George and his analogies? The family is a hand and now Casey is a business.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/31/ng.01.html

George: Think of me as the thumb. Think of Dad. The next finger, you know, the index finger is your Mom. You know, she likes to point, just like Caylee.

Casey: Yes. But it's the middle finger.

George: OK, the middle finger, I guess, is Mom, probably. I'm looking at size in the family. You know, the next finger after that is going to be Lee and then it's going to be you and then the final, that little pinky, that's Caylee. So think of that -- think of your hand and say, This is us. This is the family that loves each other, that cares and needs to be together. And we're missing two fingers.

Oh and Casey's response to the missing 2 fingers:

CASEY ANTHONY: I'm still here.

[Pooh]

I agree with you that Lake County is an actual county. I was trying to figure out what Cindy meant -- not what she said. Whatever she meant.......Casey understood exactly (and that is why we see her go from zero to ten in a blink).

jmo

Yeah - Cindy touched a nerve with that question.

[Pooh]

Maybe someone will have some shirts made with it on it and wear them......:tongue:

Anyone want to come up with a caption for the shirt? LOL

[bballgrl]

Maybe someone will have some shirts made with it on it and wear them......:tongue:

Now, THAT is an idea. I'd buy one of them puppies! :thumbsup:

[Barbara fl.]

Casey didn't just learn how to manipulate them so artfully, IMO. This is not something that she has come up with over the last 6 months. It came so natural to her in the jail tape because she's been doing it forever, IMO. As someone else said, that explains why they didn't know anything about Zanny (Cindy questions where Zanny lives, Casey throws a b****fit and Cindy backs off)...why she was able to have them *believe* that she had a job for so long, it explains a lot. Whatever family dynamics that we are seeing play out on TV didn't sprout up over night. This horrible tragedy has simply brought all the ugliness out to the front, IMO.



That is exactly how I feel about it....Casey ruled that house....I would never let a child of mine disrespect me the way she disrespects her parents....That did not just start......

They have been affraid of Casey's outbursts for some time....Just the way she was telling Cindy and George on that last tape......"I am really upset, I am really mad....I am more upset right now then I have been thru this whole thing"...

If she could have reached thru that screne and grabbed Cindy up she would have.......Casey needed a good swift kick, you know where....probably needed it for some time.....

[nothingnew]

Was what he said to Tim before he searched Blanchard park respectful?

JMO

Is there some tape of him saying this or are you just saying what Tim Miller said? I respect the job that Tim does but I really think he should just speak of the actual search and how they go about things etc. I know he has a heart of gold but I also saw him in a "seemingly" medicated slightly incoherent state doing tv interviews more than once. (not implying drunk BTW, more like emotionally drained) I think a lot of it is he is out there doing a LOT of the physical part, probably not getting a lot of sleep and possibly very frustrated at these "Lenny come lately" types that seem to buy their way into the spotlight. Maybe professional jealousy. Tim also seemed a little bent out of shape because Lenny was sending in divers to a spot he had already cleared. Even great men can have their ego issues. Hindsight and all.....I think Tim is a NOBLE person however unless I hear it from Lenny, I'll believe it was never said. Remember Tim also said Caylee would likely never be found like he had never heard of Chandra Levy. I just think it's his passion and his own background that keeps him from being able to separate his emotions. Not meant to bash Tim Miller!

[happygert]

I agree with you that Lake County is an actual county. I was trying to figure out what Cindy meant -- not what she said. Whatever she meant.......Casey understood exactly (and that is why we see her go from zero to ten in a blink).

jmo

Yes she did that question about Lake County made casey's temper blow about 1000 degress...

[bballgrl]

Anyone want to come up with a caption for the shirt? LOL

How about:

Baby Killer

:wink:

[Dunlurken]

Anyone want to come up with a caption for the shirt? LOL

Justice for Caylee

[kitty1182]

Anyone want to come up with a caption for the shirt? LOL



"I Could Have Belonged To YOU"

[AbbyNormal]

Cindy's parents are in Lake county also, maybe Cindy was visiting them. Lake County incinarates their trash and at the time some theories were floating around that Casey might have put Caylee in a dumpster there so as not to have any evidence found.

JMOThank you MrLucky. All the A. double speak bugs me. Wish I had a super secret decoder ring.

[happy2bme]

The part when Cindy tells Casey that she knows Casey is ok but she doesn't know that about Caylee, and that is what makes it so hard. Casey tells her ...you may know that I am ok but I am not, you may know the place where I am at physically...
Cindy says at least your safe and we don't know that about Caylee (not word for word) whether they are feeding her, hugging her.

Casey says MOM, I know everything they are saying.

Anyone notice that Casey's whole tone changed with that, she was shaking her head. You can tell she is disgusted with Cindy worrying about Caylee more than her. She shows that she could care less about caylee.

This is how I took it anyway. MOO

[happygert]

If we find a skull or something it could be worth loads of money. That's when Tim took a hike. JMO.

That was not said and you know it..

[missinglink]

Someone asked earlier what the name of the person was who sent Casey a book...

I believe it was "michelle Murphy".

I don't know if this person is an author, a family friend, etc.

Anyone here this name before?

[kitty1182]

anyone want to come up with a caption for the shirt? Lol



"where is my cell phone?"

[missinglink]

Someone asked earlier what the name of the person was who sent Casey a book...

I believe it was "Michelle Murphy".

I don't know if this person is an author, a family friend, etc.

Anyone hear this name before?

[Barbara fl.]

I think she will have issues not having her men....
I think she will probably try and seduce prison guards. moo

Other then that, I think she will adjust fine..

I think she will have a harder time adjusting if she is in GP....Being in isolation, probably wouldn't bother
her too much considering she would be with the person she loves the most, herself............MOO


Your probably right....However, I like to think of her being miserable....after watching that last taped visit....being locked up is killing her....and I'm loving it.......She better get acustomed to it, it's going to be her home from here on in.....

I wonder if we are allowed to send her some reading material......maybe a copy of these posts should lift her spirits...:lol:

[Dunlurken]

I wasn't bashing lenny, I was asking a question,

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12659444#post12659444

Was what he said to Tim before he searched Blanchard park respectful?
heck, bash Lenny all you want to. I'm sure he's used to it by now. I found it funny what he said to Nancy the other night. "Don't put me in time out before I finish my thought".... something like that. LOL.

[trt]

Oh God.. I was just thinking... Geez we need that picture in the court room!!! But, alas... I am sure it won't be allowed in that room for fear of predjudicing the jury. *sigh* :thumbdown:

But isn't anything contained in those jailhouse tapes evidence? Can't they use them in court? If they can use the audio, why not the visual?

[nothingnew]

I'm no defense attorney and I think Casey is GUILTY to the max, but I hate the Sunshine Laws myself (and I'm in FL). I see NO reason for all this stuff (including but not limited to the videos) to be public. I don't even think all of LE or prosecution could think it's such a great idea. Sure could taint the jury pool, and who wants that, defense OR prosecution? A fair trial with NO mistakes or appelate issues is the goal. IMO.

I love the Sunshine Laws for obvious reasons but yeah, if I lived in Florida I sure wouldn't-they do not seem fair at all. Mainly how EVERYBODY gets dragged out into the spotlight and their information gets out there, sometimes accidentally. But from way over here on the west coast? I love the sunshine laws.:wub:

[Katprint]

I wonder if it would have played out differently if they had? They kissed her behind big time.

jmo
I watched the new jail tape today with Casey talking to Cindy and George. http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8259267&version=1&locale=EN-US The biggest thing that jumped out at me was how afraid George and Cindy are about maybe making Casey angry or upsetting her. Casey has quite an attitude for jailbird.

The second biggest thing that jumped out at me was how manipulative Casey was. She blamed George and Cindy for "keeping me here"; apparently she expected them to come up with her $500,000 bail. She complained about how she could not possibly have any new information after sitting there for a month, and the elephant in the room was the fact that she had lied and lied to her parents, police investigators, etc. so perhaps it was not unreasonable to hope that cooling her heels for a month might inspire her to tell the truth at last. Her repeated insistence that she has considered everybody else's point of view but that no one has considered her point of view, was remarkably self centered. She spun every mention of trying to find Caylee into something about herself: how she couldn't help because she was in custody, how she was emotionally upset about the situation, how unreasonable it was for her parents to ask her questions seeking further information, how great her attorney is about keeping her informed, how wrong it is for other people to "judge" her, how she feels in her gut that Caylee is OK, etc. It's all about Casey.

I was amused to hear that Jose and Casey watch Nancy Grace together. LOL! Isn't there an old adage along the lines that eavesdroppers seldom hear anything good of themselves? That probably applies to accused criminals who watch Nancy Grace shows about their crimes, too.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[desmom]

IIRC, the date of the police report George made regarding the stolen gas cans was June 20th. Anyone - if I'm not remembering correctly, please set me straight.

June 24 http://www.ocso.com/LinkClick.aspx?link=MediaRelations%2f07.28.08_burg lary.pdf&tabid=547&mid=1935

[BlueTurtle]

I think she was/is in denial. WHEN she buries Caylee, maybe the cold hard facts will emerge. See, here's the dichotomy Cindy is living with, IMO.

She has a daughter in jail, charged with murdering her beloved Caylee. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. JMO.

And I do think Casey is pretty articulate, but I agree it's almost as if by rote. JMO.

If I had a child facing murder charges, I would support my child, but I would expect them to admit it if they did it. I would not build a smoke screen of lies, and innuendos to cover for my child.

But truthfulness is not a part of the Anthony family dynamics.

[TisMeAgain]

Maybe someone will have some shirts made with it on it and wear them......:tongue:

How about "Mother of the year" and sell them on ebay with 100% of proceeds going to refund Tes for all their hard work and money spent on this case..

[Barbara fl.]

That was not said and you know it..



It was said...by Lenny Padilla...to Tim Miller....this is why I have absolutely no respect for LP since then (not that I had that much for him before) but that did it.......

He did say and it was said on the NG show and LP never denied it for a second.....

[lonetraveler]

I give Lenny the benefit of the doubt. I never understood his wording when he said "daisy chain", so that is a new phrase for me. But, most of the time, he's right on target. I don't always agree with his methods, but he is helping to get this case solved. I respect him, all in all. JMO.

---
Dunlurken, :lol:You probably didn't come of age during the 70's, did you? Most people who grew up during this time of "Make Love, not War" knows what "Daisy Chain" means. Off Topic, I know but Lenny looks to be the age to understand how all people can connect to eachother until the "chain" comes right back where it started.

[spiritwolf46]

"I Could Have Belonged To YOU"

Slap a pic of Cindy and Geo on the front and I vote for this one! :lol:

[Dunlurken]

That was not said and you know it..

Okay, the fog is lifting. Tim said it. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

How about "Mother of the year" and sell them on ebay with 100% of proceeds going to refund Tes for all their hard work and money spent on this case..


That sounds good....put a photo of Casey behind bars on it.....

[trt]

How about "Mother of the year" and sell them on ebay with 100% of proceeds going to refund Tes for all their hard work and money spent on this case..

I like this one best!! :thumbup:

[AlohaRainbow]

Hey FA!! ITA, I think the prosecutor should use these frames in his opening and closing statements to give the juror an idea of the horror that little Caylee faced in her last moments at the hands of such a monster. That last frame is a picture of pure evil, IMO.
agree - with the addition during the closing of a split screen, using these frames of casey on one side, side-by-side with the video of caylee singing "you are my sunshine... please don't take nan's sunshine away"...

[happy2bme]

What the heck is with George and his analogies? The family is a hand and now Casey is a business.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/31/ng.01.html

George: Think of me as the thumb. Think of Dad. The next finger, you know, the index finger is your Mom. You know, she likes to point, just like Caylee.

Casey: Yes. But it's the middle finger.

George: OK, the middle finger, I guess, is Mom, probably. I'm looking at size in the family. You know, the next finger after that is going to be Lee and then it's going to be you and then the final, that little pinky, that's Caylee. So think of that -- think of your hand and say, This is us. This is the family that loves each other, that cares and needs to be together. And we're missing two fingers.

Oh and Casey's response to the missing 2 fingers:

CASEY ANTHONY: I'm still here.


That was nice little touch wasn't it. She makes me sick!

[TisMeAgain]

I watched the new jail tape today, and the biggest thing that jumped out at me was how afraid George and Cindy are about maybe making Casey angry or upsetting her. Casey has quite an attitude for jailbird.

The second biggest thing that jumped out at me was how manipulative Casey was. She blamed George and Cindy for "keeping me here"; apparently she expected them to come up with her $500,000 bail. She complained about how she could not possibly have any new information after sitting there for a month, and the elephant in the room was the fact that she had lied and lied to her parents, police investigators, etc. so perhaps it was not unreasonable to hope that cooling her heels for a month might inspire her to tell the truth at last. Her repeated insistence that she has considered everybody else's point of view but that no one has considered her point of view, was remarkably self centered. She spun every mention of trying to find Caylee into something about herself: how she couldn't help because she was in custody, how she was emotionally upset about the situation, how unreasonable it was for her parents to ask her questions seeking further information, how great her attorney is about keeping her informed, how wrong it is for other people to "judge" her, how she feels in her gut that Caylee is OK, etc. It's all about Casey.

I was amused to hear that Jose and Casey watch Nancy Grace together. LOL! Isn't there an old adage along the lines that eavesdroppers seldom hear anything good of themselves? That probably applies to accused criminals who watch Nancy Grace shows about their crimes, too.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Great post as always kat!
bbl

[Barbara fl.]

My caption for the Kid Finders shirt...

Kid 'we haven't found a kid yet, we don't even look' Finders.


Kid Finders should be sitting behind bars with Casey right now.....I thought the law was supposed to check out these organizations that ask for money? Kid Finders should be "NO MORE"......it's a disgrace......

[Dunlurken]

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Dunlurken, :lol:You probably didn't come of age during the 70's, did you? Most people who grew up during this time of "Make Love, not War" knows what "Daisy Chain" means. Off Topic, I know but Lenny looks to be the age to understand how all people can connect to eachother until the "chain" comes right back where it started.


Who remembers the 60s? Not me. LOL. If you remember them, then you weren't actually there.

I'm more used to the term "connect the dots". Only became a crime junkie in the last few years. We will find justice for little Caylee.

[SavannahStar]

But the Sunshine Laws cover a multitude of other activities than simply jail house phone calls and videos. They are extremely imortant in other venues. Maybe the Legislature needs to change the law to exempt criminal investigations.

*snipped*



Good point, Roux.