Thursday, Jan 15, Part 3

[Pruddennce]

Upon hearing some stranger is eating Casey's share of the chili while she's eating coleslaw her laying in bed, bible in hand, head under the pillow story comes out. Good Grief!

We opened our house and hearts to a stranger who was all alone. WTH was that about?

Neffy, I really believe it was code for the father of Caylee.

watching it over and over again, this guy was NO stranger to Casey.

and GA and his deliverance speech of the chili feast with the stranger, well its not strange after you listen/watch several times......Casey is all but emotionally sedated once George talks of the 'stranger' that needed them and they needed him.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[shelban53]

A: anything but cloths M: mother of the year

B: bella vita N; neckbreaking

C: chloroform O:

D: duct tape P: pole dancing

E: Q:

F: fusion club R:

G: garbarge bags S: shovel

H: T: trunk

I: U: unemployed

J: jail V: victim

K: kill W:

L Lying XYZ: zanny

[Dells]

Greta is talking about the video, how angry Casey is with her parents, interrupting her parents, prasctically losing it. "I'm not in control over any of this! My entire life has been taken from ME! Everyone wants me to have answers but I don't have any answers." And so goes Casey's rant. (Greta's showing the good part of Casey just feeling sorry for herself ~ MOO) Casey's saying she's "so beyond frustrated she can't even swallow, it hurts". More after the commercial break. :biggrin:

Oh, boo hoo, poor Casey.:rolleyes:

[Janz]

Very and he was just a stranger with no where to go.

It was Caylees birthday not Thanksgiving.

I have got to find out what thats about..call NG, Greta & so on. Get them on the case

Good luck with getting through to NG. I really do think Pru is on to something here and we know they communicate in code.

[Mimi428]

She used the story about the new guy to illustrate that the bible says to help others--and of course the message she was giving them was, HELP ME GET OUT OF HERE.

lawdamercy, she's fast.


<snipped>

Yes, she is fast. Fast as lightning.

It has been several weeks ago when I was reading some different things about psychopathy & one of the things I read (& will try to find again) mentioned that in criminal psychopaths (those already locked up for crimes) there was a correlation between high IQ & severity of crime - severity referring to the ones that show no element of mercy, are horrifically callous, etc.

Point being that if you are a psychopath & you are of the mindset to commit crimes, the higher your IQ, the more likely it is that the crimes you commit will be especially heinous.

I think of Diane Downs & Ted Bundy - who each had high IQs. I believe it was reported early on that Casey does, too. I hate to use Ted, because of the serial killer aspect, but his case is well known so I include him. He & Diane were shockingly ruthless in committing murders, neither even batted an eye over it. Concerned them no more than it would concern one of us if we swatted a mosquito.

I believe by the time all is said & done & the trial is over, we will have been knocked half senseless in finding out how stone cold Casey was in the way she murdered her own child.

JMO

[Oregongal]

I believe in the existence of evil, but I could NEVER believe that innocent children are born evil. SO I cannot agree with your theory. Sorry, but my religious beliefs don't allow for "evil spawn".
As to whether or not there is "treatment" for symptoms of sociopathy in children...experts vary on their belief about that. Some of us DO believe that behavioral mod., positive reinforcement, social re-education, etc. can improve the ability of a child with attachment problems, lack of impulse control, etc. to live more normally. I don't think anything can be done with adults with that ( or similar) disorders, simply because and adult Sociopath has no desire to change and become like others...you can't force an adult to change.
You are basing your assumptions on the belief that Cindy and George DID believe Casey was abnormal, and that they WOULD have sought help. There is no more way to *know* that than there is to know they enabled or created her behavior...actually less, because we do at least have mention from Cindy's brother and her mother that this enabling and excuse making has been going on for some time. It's not proof, but the suggestion is there.
JMO, of course. I am NOT attempting to argue you into my way of seeing things. just sharing another POV.

OU, I like you POV. My faith is also such that I would not like to believe in 'evil spawn'. I don't believe God makes mistakes.
But, there is also a part of me that believes that what we as humans see as mistakes and may 'bad seeds born', could possibly be a test for those who are given these babies. I will not quote scripture, because this is not a religious forum, but I must say there are many scriptures that speak to just this sort of situation.
For some reason, Casey was born to George and Cindy. I don't know that reason anymore than I know my ex was born to his parents.
At that time for these parents, they were in a place within themselves that would direct the path of their child.
Maybe for some reason they did not choose the path that was predestined for them. Who are we to assume they choose the wrong path tho?
Then we add science....nurture or nature to the mix....I believe that in the end...we don't know. And we cannot judge.
Should I hate my mother in law and dead father in law for the socio/narcissist I married?
Should I excuse him for all the pain and damage he brought to me and our children because of his upbringing?
What I'm trying to say is that no matter what, there is an ultimate plan...as far as I'm concerned.
There are so many questions, there is so much evil IN THIS WORLD, there are just too many things we will never understand. Either faithfully or scientifically. Until we are meant to understand. Yes, that is my born again Christian faith and belief speaking here. But, I will stand by that and not back down.
We look at Casey and her family and wonder why. Because we....as least those I see on this board...cannot possibly understand how she could have done what she has done. How her parents couldn't have done something they maybe could have done to prevent it.
We have to remember, we are 'normal'. We do not think as Casey does. We have not walked in the shoes of the Ant's as parents.
Yes, this family as far as we all can see is so totally dysfunctional and bizarre, we cannot ever begin to understand.
I have thought tho, that we are not meant to understand. We are meant to be sickened by the whole thing. That my friends is what is the answer.
We are not meant to understand. We are not meant to judge and criticize and attack. We are meant to learn from this.
Each one of us, individually is meant to learn something from this case.
Whether it is to learn there is evil among us in the way of this mother who callously murdered her daughter and then unconsciouslbly threw her away as garbage. Whether it is to see parents who may have been able to do something long ago for this daughter and perhaps may have prevented this from happening. Maybe it's for us to learn that the justice system of our country will work and convict this young mother of the murder of her child.
I don't know the reasons this horrendous thing has happened and why we are constantly learning and discovering things that may teach us in some form something that we all need to learn in this life.
I do know that we are all here together trying to figure it all out is a a good thing. I shows that those of us who are here and discussing and trying so hard to find something to help us understand it all is a good thing.
Whether we are right or wrong. Whether we understand or not, at least we are together in trying to figure it out.
For one little baby who has lost her life in the dawn of her life in a horrendous way, we are together.
That my friends is actually a blessing.

[Pruddennce]

She was 'investigating' on the sly. Incognito.

Didn't want to raise suspicions.

She was protecting the family, remember?

thank you I forgot :)

best regards,
Pru

[Cury-us Coyote]

I was but there is a delay on the tape so I could not hear it. It was driving me crazy that it was out synch so much.

Did you catch anything? I'll try and listen tomorrow to the shorter tape tomorrow and see if it's better.

It's freezing here in Toronto and I can't digest listening to mother of the year more than once tonight.

I replayed that section several times without any luck - we may need a lip reader.
jmo

[PROPROS]

It is clear that Casey wants her 'accessory' back. The 'accessory' she murdered.

Caylee.In the other jail call she tells Cindy and George "I wish this had never happened". IMO, that may be the only truth she has told in regards to Caylee.It certainly isn't because she loves and misses Caylee, but rather that she is now in so much trouble that maybe it just wasn't worth it in the long run....She never thought that this would "blow up" in her face...She didn't think it was a big deal for Caylee to missing and probably couldn't understand why it would be such a big deal to anyone else.mo

[Lavenia]

If your father killed your mother would you stand behind him? Would you support him? If your husband raped your daughter would you stand behind him? If you killed your child would you expect or demand that your parents stand behind you as their due obligation to you?

Heck if I killed my own child I would not blame my parents one bit for not standing behind me!

I don't know what I would do if my child did any of these things, but I do have to say that my love for my children is different than the love for my husband or my parents or anyone else so I couldn't make the comparison you ask.

[Neffy]

More medicinally inspired ramblings.

Good Grief! Where'd that podium come from?

[Calla]

If your father killed your mother would you stand behind him? Would you support him? If your husband raped your daughter would you stand behind him? If you killed your child would you expect or demand that your parents stand behind you as their due obligation to you?

Heck if I killed my own child I would not blame my parents one bit for not standing behind me!


I do not expect any of those people to stand behind me either. And I would not stand behind them.

Not the same.
You love NO ONE..NO ONE.. like you love your child..(if you are normal).
I do not love my husband unconditionally. We agreed on conditions when we married.
I do love my children unconditionally and that is not a decision that you make. It is a God given duty and an uncontrollable emotion that you are either blessed or doomed to live with throughout your life.

I love my parents because they are my parents and for what they did for me..but in the event of horrid happenings, I could choose to stop. That is a fact. Love is a CHOICE. You choose to love..the only exception being the child you bore. You cannot stop loving them. (if you are normal) . If you can then you never loved in the way I believe is normal.
you know its all jmo


then again what is normal..lol

[Pruddennce]

No it sure doesnt. I think that Casey is delusional, and lives in her own fantasy world. But in no way do I think she is insane, criminally or otherwise. I dont think she suffered from post partum either. I think she is a cold blooded murderer, and her parents are supporting her for some reason that I will never ever understand. I dont even want to!
Kat


Casey suffered from 'child interruptus'.
IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Lavenia]

<snipped>

Yes, she is fast. Fast as lightning.

It has been several weeks ago when I was reading some different things about psychopathy & one of the things I read (& will try to find again) mentioned that in criminal psychopaths (those already locked up for crimes) there was a correlation between high IQ & severity of crime - severity referring to the ones that show no element of mercy, are horrifically callous, etc.

Point being that if you are a psychopath & you are of the mindset to commit crimes, the higher your IQ, the more likely it is that the crimes you commit will be especially heinous.

I think of Diane Downs & Ted Bundy - who each had high IQs. I believe it was reported early on that Casey does, too. I hate to use Ted, because of the serial killer aspect, but his case is well known so I include him. He & Diane were shockingly ruthless in committing murders, neither even batted an eye over it. Concerned them no more than it would concern one of us if we swatted a mosquito.

I believe by the time all is said & done & the trial is over, we will have been knocked half senseless in finding out how stone cold Casey was in the way she murdered her own child.

JMO

I've read on this before also. Fascinating.

[PROPROS]

I thought it was odd when Cindy put her head down like and even more odd that Casey never made mention of it. Casey only cares about how the whole thing is affecting her. Never mind the fact that she is the one that created this whole horrible situation to begin with.We heard her position on that during the first call home (from the jailhouse) when she told Cindy "not my fault"...mo

[Neffy]

It was a confusing question - fortunately Steff read between the lines. Were you wearing your headphones when CinA told GA the name of the birthday visitor?


What :confused: on that tape?

[steffaroob4]

That video is very disturbing, I am sure baez will find use for that in court.

[Dells]

Hey Dells, hope you're staying warm. And I hope you're right. Caylee didn't deserve to ever see that side of her mother.

So true, Caylee deserved so much better.:crying:

It's 15 degrees below zero here right now (with wind chill 30 to 40 degrees below zero), but my kids are happy because school is canceled for the 2nd day in a row tomorrow.:w00t:

[WillowInFlight]

I do not expect any of those people to stand behind me either. And I would not stand behind them.

Not the same.
You love NO ONE..NO ONE.. like you love your child..(if you are normal).
I do not love my husband unconditionally. We agreed on conditions when we married.
I do love my children unconditionally and that is not a decision that you make. It is a God given duty and an uncontrollable emotion that you are either blessed or doomed to live with throughout your life.

I love my parents because they are my parents and for what they did for me..but in the event of horrid happenings, I could choose to stop. That is a fact. Love is a CHOICE. You choose to love..the only exception being the child you bore. You cannot stop loving them. (if you are normal) . If you can then you never loved in the way I believe is normal.
you know its all jmo


then again what is normal..lol

WOW Calla, GREAT post and ITA!!!

[Oregongal]

Cut, paste, add, post.



A- Anthony's
B- Biotch, beautiful
C- Caseyomarie, Club Fusion, Chloroform
D- Darlin'
E- Excellent mother, Everyone lies, Everyone dies
F- Fusion (employee)
G- Gorgeous, granddaughter is missing:rolleyes:
H-
I- Immunity
J-
K-
L-
M-
N- Neckbreaking
O-
P-
Q-
R-
S-
T-
U-
V- Victim
W-
X-
Y-
Z-

Rely, I need help here....I keep trying to add...and then I get the your message is too short.
HELP!!!!

[Mimi428]

And with that in mind, Cindy didn't have any adequate options to counter Casey and her demons. Any family court judge would have ruled Cindy as disordered if she had ever attempted to allege that her daughter was dangerous, because Casey played it so well.

Oh, you know it. Just like the loud argument & fight the neighbor overheard. If, as has been reported, Cindy really did try to choke Casey - & the police had been called - it would have been Cindy - NOT CASEY - who would have been arrested.

JMO

[Oregongal]

What in the world are you talking about?

Now the 'mental health system' is responsible for the destruction of the Anthony family?

I thought I'd seen it all but you'll be posting again, won't you?

Now Landie, calm down, take a deep breath and skip and scroll.
:wub:

[Dells]

Casey is Evil Incarnate!! Did you all notice when Cindy was crying she asked Why is she crying already, then when Cindy takes the phone she kinda laughs at her Like she was enjoying her Mother's pain

I think Casey's laughing at the beginning of the tape was totally inappropriate. Then it seems like she tries to make herself cry, but all that comes out is more laughing.:unsure: Her behavior during that visit was very strange.

[Dells]

:lol: In her best "Marcia, Marcia, Marcia" moment.

Funny.:lol: I guess she did become the Jan Brady of her family when Caylee came along. She became the middle child.

[Lavenia]

A- Anthony's
B- Biotch, beautiful
C- Caseyomarie, Club Fusion, Chloroform
D- Darlin'
E- Excellent mother, Everyone lies, Everyone dies
F- Fusion (employee)
G- Gorgeous, granddaughter is missing
H- Hopespring Dr.
I- Immunity
J-
K-
L-
M- Murdered
N- Neckbreaking
O-
P- Private Investigator
Q-
R-
S- Sociopath
T-
U-
V- Victim
W- Wife up
X- Xanex
Y-
Z- Zanny

...............

[crimeq]

<snipped>

Yes, she is fast. Fast as lightning.

It has been several weeks ago when I was reading some different things about psychopathy & one of the things I read (& will try to find again) mentioned that in criminal psychopaths (those already locked up for crimes) there was a correlation between high IQ & severity of crime - severity referring to the ones that show no element of mercy, are horrifically callous, etc.

Point being that if you are a psychopath & you are of the mindset to commit crimes, the higher your IQ, the more likely it is that the crimes you commit will be especially heinous.

I think of Diane Downs & Ted Bundy - who each had high IQs. I believe it was reported early on that Casey does, too. I hate to use Ted, because of the serial killer aspect, but his case is well known so I include him. He & Diane were shockingly ruthless in committing murders, neither even batted an eye over it. Concerned them no more than it would concern one of us if we swatted a mosquito.

I believe by the time all is said & done & the trial is over, we will have been knocked half senseless in finding out how stone cold Casey was in the way she murdered her own child.

JMO

I agree with you. I know there are posters here who think Casey is not too bright. I have always disagreed. She has a high native intelligence and puts things together quickly to support her purpose (herself). She has a good vocabulary--doesn't always string her sentences, thoughts together as an orator would, LOL, but the evidence of intelligence is there. And I also keep in mind she is only 22 and not educated, so she does a pretty good job of thinking and expressing on the fly for being so young. She is very cold, calculating, fast on her feet. Cold, ruthless and scary.

[cloe23]

JMO - Anyone questioning why the Anthony's have not visited Casey since Caylee's remains have been found need look no further than the 8/14 video.

That's about what they'd expect to see. And don't want any part of it.

IIRC Casey has only her defence on her visitation list. This list was made by Casey and most likely her defence. JMO
George, Cindy and Lee are not allowed to visit Casey, even if they so wish.

[joolz]

<snipped>

Yes, she is fast. Fast as lightning.

It has been several weeks ago when I was reading some different things about psychopathy & one of the things I read (& will try to find again) mentioned that in criminal psychopaths (those already locked up for crimes) there was a correlation between high IQ & severity of crime - severity referring to the ones that show no element of mercy, are horrifically callous, etc.

Point being that if you are a psychopath & you are of the mindset to commit crimes, the higher your IQ, the more likely it is that the crimes you commit will be especially heinous.

I think of Diane Downs & Ted Bundy - who each had high IQs. I believe it was reported early on that Casey does, too. I hate to use Ted, because of the serial killer aspect, but his case is well known so I include him. He & Diane were shockingly ruthless in committing murders, neither even batted an eye over it. Concerned them no more than it would concern one of us if we swatted a mosquito.

I believe by the time all is said & done & the trial is over, we will have been knocked half senseless in finding out how stone cold Casey was in the way she murdered her own child.

JMO


I don't think she's that smart at all. She has simply gotten away with lying all her life because it was easier for those involved - chiefly her family - to let things slide than to make waves with such a psycho.

Look at her interview with LE - she can't even keep her lies straight (she admits she doesn't work there then says she made calls from her office). Look at her jailhouse tapes - she isn't smart or crafty enough to ask about her daughter or pretend she a) cares about her or b) thinks she is alive. She slips and says "whoever took her" after insisting it is the nanny.

I think once this gets to court and the prosecutors really chart out all of her inconsistencies we'll see that Casey isn't smart at all. she's just been lucky (if you can call it that) in the way she has been allowed to get away with things. jmo

[Neffy]

Neffy, I really believe it was code for the father of Caylee.

watching it over and over again, this guy was NO stranger to Casey.

and GA and his deliverance speech of the chili feast with the stranger, well its not strange after you listen/watch several times......Casey is all but emotionally sedated once George talks of the 'stranger' that needed them and they needed him.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


Thank you I've been reading back and although close, no one had to take a frying pan to my head before I caught on . Now I have to review this again because that was just to bizarre the "Chili for a lonely stranger" especially on Caylees birthday.

Between this vid and some posts I think I'm ready for Happy Hills myself.

[Dells]

Yep that was weird. Even weirder was that Casey wasn't at all curious who it was. George said he was glad that they got a chance to know him better? More code talk?

Yes, a very weird moment. Then she starts talking about reading the bible and quoting "love thy neighbor" and stuff like that. Casey does not strike me as being a religious/spiritual type of person, but I could see that happening the longer she sits in jail and really has a chance to think about what she has done.

[WillowInFlight]

You can still love someone, but not have to like them or their actions. It is possible to support someone when they have done wrong without enabling them to continue down the wrong path.
jmo

But can you still love someone if you don't respect them?

[Lavenia]

I have a greeting card I should send to Casey. On the cover it says, "You're Amazing!" Inside it says, "To be your age and to have accomplished so little." :lol:

[cloe23]

When she refers to her own mother to her father as "SHE", (such a dis)
"whats she crying about already" this is the cold blooded killer talking.
This is the sociopath right here. Engaging her own father into her web.



I caught that 'SHE' too. Didn't settle with me, Casey clearly has momma issues. IMO

[MrsHudson]

Thank you Mimi. And all of you people who are horrified at what Casey has done, your best tribute to Caylee would be taking an interest in the problems within the mental health system and then have a desire to fix it, instead of closing your eyes because it hasn't destroyed your family.

IMO

Don't preach to me about mental illness in a family. I could tell you stories that would curl your hair. :no:

I feel sorrow for little Caylee but I find nothing to admire about her grandparents. They have not handled anything well, even giving leeway for the difficult circumstances. Being genuine, truthful and direct would have worked better than the lies, evasions and manipulations. It's a sad thing they lost Caylee. Very tragic. And they are going to lose Casey too. Provided their protecting of her fails. And it will. And it has.

[WillowInFlight]

In the video where Casey gets mad she talks to her mom about them leaving her there and that there was a chance they could have gotten her out. Does anyone know what that was or if there is a link to what it was? TIA

I wondered what she meant by that too.

[Neffy]

I have a greeting card I should send to Casey. On the cover it says, "You're Amazing!" Inside it says, "To be your age and to have accomplished so little." :lol:

Or
You were born with nothing "inside card" and you still have most of it.

[Dells]

I think the first jailhouse call home and this video show the true Casey Anthony.mo

I agree. Her true colors shone through loud and clear in both and it was both disgusting and disturbing to watch. I couldn't stand listening to Casey say how she couldn't do anything to help because she was in jail. What about the 31 days she had before Caylee was reported missing. What did she do to help find her daughter then?

[MrsHudson]

I don't know what I would do if my child did any of these things, but I do have to say that my love for my children is different than the love for my husband or my parents or anyone else so I couldn't make the comparison you ask.

Fair enough.

[Lavenia]

Or
You were born with nothing "inside card" and you still have most of it.

:lol::lol::thumbsup:

[Dells]

That video that was just released is painful to watch. When Casey whines that she has been in jail for one whole month, Cindy or George should have said, "Well, that's the amount of time that you waited to tell us that Caylee was missing." :mad:

Oh, that would have been the perfect comeback.

[WillowInFlight]

Or
You were born with nothing "inside card" and you still have most of it.

:lol::lol:

[Neffy]

For a minute, I thought he was referring to me. :blushing:

LOL I've seen him ask this before and it's always in the same context regarding different content but the same ramblings. Fits quite well.

[crimeq]

When she refers to her own mother to her father as "SHE", (such a dis)
"whats she crying about already" this is the cold blooded killer talking.
This is the sociopath right here. Engaging her own father into her web.Agree--I caught that right away, too. Very dismissive of both the person of Cindy, and her pain.

[Lavenia]

I double-dog dare you. :tonguewag:

Double-dog done. (tuesday)

[Calla]

I would IMO still love them all, but I would choose to love them from a distance and not support what they did. I think this is where people get lost. It is ok that Cindy and George still love Casey. They should and have to, but they do not have to support what she has done, they can love her from a distance.

And eventually they will have to accept that they have no choice about that.

Let me do one more POST and then I am goin to bed:lol:

I was abused. I had some horrid things happen to me as a child. I brought out of that experience that I did not have to feel anything I did not choose to feel.
When I became a mother, I resented that child after the initial few months passed because I began to realize that I had no control over that love. It was so great, and so controlling that it would forever alter who I was and what I felt. I would never again be able to shut it down when it hurt too much. Something controlled me and losing control was one of my biggest fears.
I finally worked through that and gave in to it...and went on to have more kids because once you have lost control, what the heck. May as well go all the way:rolleyes:

I do not know if Casey had issues from childhood or if her mother did.
I have no way of knowing that. But I can believe that there are people that can possibly never get passed the resentment and fear and although they love the child, they harbor those feelings throughout their lives.
Until someone interviews them and writes that book, I am not sure we will ever have the insight we need to understand what happened.
I will feel sympathy for Cindy no matter what . "my gut " tells me it is the right thing to do, because if she is anywhere near 'normal'..she can't help herself.

[Calla]

But can you still love someone if you don't respect them?

I can as long as they respect me still :biggrin:

[Mimi428]

An ABC GAME on a board for a murdered child? Isn't that a little TACKY?

My pure guess is that the moderator will think so.

[~layla~]

93 candles! Thanks, Blue!
108 candles from 6 countries.

The A's should feel the shame they have made us feel with their actions.

[Neffy]

Hey now. Watch it...... You may be next.:wink:

:w00t: :wink:

I get incensed when someone takes charge to be head of the class telling me what I should be doing or trys to pass something off that I know they have no knowledge on.

[Dells]

Did this piece of 'SCUM' just say she was a victim like everyone >tape cuts out< ...


Poor Caylee....

Yes she did.:thumbdown:

[robmo]

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Sorry-don't know how to copy and paste-

O-odious creature

[Calla]

Double-dog done. (tuesday)

well she only gets 'good' mail you know..up to aug. 14 anyway

[~layla~]

An ABC GAME on a board for a murdered child? Isn't that a little TACKY?


What are you talking about?

:seeya: hey everyone!

[Lavenia]

well she only gets 'good' mail you know..up to aug. 14 anyway

I believe that like I believe everything else she says. :rolleyes:

[Dells]

Wow!
She said "You dont understand! They have taklen EVERYTING from me. They have taken my LIFE AWAY FROM ME.."

Nothing! NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT CAYLEE...She makes me furious. LIVID and furious.

Oh, I agree. Doesn't she understand that she took Caylee's life away permanently? Doesn't she understand the damage she inflicted on her family and community? She is so self absorbed.

[Lavenia]

What are you talking about?

:seeya: hey everyone!

Hey Layla! :seeya: Did you listen to the new jailhouse tape?

[Neffy]

Hey now. Watch it...... You may be next.:wink:

Since when did Landy call for back up?

I didn't know he did :confused:

[Oregongal]

No, no, no. You're not playing the theme right.

B-Beautiful
C- Caseyomarie (or however she spelled it)
D- Darlin
E......

It's a list of everything she's not...but was stated that she really was....


M- Mother of the Year

:lol:
Ok, I got it. :blushing:
I was confused. Alka Selzer Cold Plus kicking in here.

[~layla~]

Sorry-don't know how to copy and paste-

O-odious creature

highlight whatever you want to c/p
right click .... choose copy....

move cursor to where you want to put said c/p words...
right click again .... choose paste.

[cloe23]

I thought I heard that too, which means he wasn't a total stranger. I don't know who it was but I don't think it was Baez.

I didn't give the stranger too much thought other then he was NOT a stranger. I guessed Baez as a possibility, why I don't know?
Thinking about it Baez doesn't need to meet in secret with the A's. After reading up that some think it could be Caylee's father?
Whoever it was IMO the A's went out of their way to clue in Casey that a meeting took place. IMO it was Baez who arranged it.
I am leaning more toward a PI. JMO

[~layla~]

Hey Layla! :seeya: Did you listen to the new jailhouse tape?

More whining from this bunch?

Im appalled, because the more I see the more I think they knew .... each second of tape gets me closer and closer to them knowing since the beginning of July.... around the 3rd when Cindy flipped her sh** and posted on myspace.
:blink:

[~layla~]

I'm talking about someone starting a GAME on a board for a murdered child. I think it's inappropriate and in extremely poor taste.

It is. Hence my asking.
Who does that?
:ohmy:

[eagleeer]

I don't know what I'd do in the situation with my father or my husband... but I do know that the love I have for my children is much different than the love I have for anyone else on the face of this earth. I will love them til the day I die, regardless of what they do.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't be horrified and devestated if they killed someone, but I would still love them.

There is a very thin line between love and hate. You can't possibly know how you would feel about your daughter if she killed your grand child. To say otherwise is not logical.

[Mimi428]

I don't think she's that smart at all. She has simply gotten away with lying all her life because it was easier for those involved - chiefly her family - to let things slide than to make waves with such a psycho.

Look at her interview with LE - she can't even keep her lies straight (she admits she doesn't work there then says she made calls from her office). Look at her jailhouse tapes - she isn't smart or crafty enough to ask about her daughter or pretend she a) cares about her or b) thinks she is alive. She slips and says "whoever took her" after insisting it is the nanny.

I think once this gets to court and the prosecutors really chart out all of her inconsistencies we'll see that Casey isn't smart at all. she's just been lucky (if you can call it that) in the way she has been allowed to get away with things. jmo

Are we talking "smart" - or are we talking "good"?

Superman & Lex Luther had the same powers, as an example. Superman was committed to using his powers for good. Lex Luther was committed to using his powers for evil. Using your powers for evil does not negate that you indeed have those powers.

I certainly do not buy what Casey is selling, but from a purely clinical sort of viewpoint, it really is pretty astonishing to realize how she could & DID take LE on a wild goose chase, all over creation, kept her cool & never broke a sweat. That really is quite a remarkable feat. Horrifying when you realize what kind of person can do that, but remarkable nonetheless.

Do I think her answers were good answers? Oh h#ll no. They were evil answers. But I recognize that her brain was working fast, fast, fast. She was like Lex Luther, in that situation.

I do not recall who it was that put the label on the way Diane Downs spoke to LE & everyone who had to listen to her explanations of how her 3 children came to be shot - either Ann Rule or one of the detectives or someone in the DAs office defined her speech as "verbal vomit".

Her inability to feel compassion or empathy meant she was unable to completely fake it. She could only mimic it. Yet she thought she was doing a good job of it, really thought she could convince everyone that what she was saying was true.

Casey - or Diane Downs' conclusions would be completely skewed. And they are not nearly so clever as they think they are. But I do think it is a nimble, fast, adaptive brain process that allows them to segue from one lie to another quick as a wink. And we see in the tape how no matter what her parents do or say, Casey picks up something almost instantly from it - & uses it against them.

JMO

[Lavenia]

More whining from this bunch?

Im appalled, because the more I see the more I think they knew .... each second of tape gets me closer and closer to them knowing since the beginning of July.... around the 3rd when Cindy flipped her sh** and posted on myspace.
:blink:

This is the infamous 8/14 tape. It's must see TV!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8259267&version=1&locale=EN-US

[~layla~]

Aiding and abetting, imo.

minimod?
I was simply giving instruction for the task..... what they do with it.. :shrug:

[Calla]

There is a very thin line between love and hate. You can't possibly know how you would feel about your daughter if she killed your grand child. To say otherwise is not logical.

If you have a daughter that you love unconditionally then you can certainly know how you would feel and it would be the only logical choice.

[Dells]

..Casey couldnt even keep her lies straight about why her eyes appeared red. When she first sits down its because she "just woke up" yet near the end she says its because she is "getting sick".:crying: Like i said previously, she is not as good a liar as she thinks she is.

(jmo)

I think she just had to say she was getting sick because Cindy had mentioned about how Lee had been sick. She couldn't let someone one up her.:rolleyes:

[Dells]

IIRC, she said Casey didn't harm Caylee.

And how it will be proven in court.:rolleyes:

[martha]

If casey is the one that killed caylee I* sure hope she don;t get out of this and I don;t know why the a family wants imu.what in the world do they need that for. I know this trial will take forever to get started and I so want to not stay on it all the time but just can;t help my self.I just want to know what happened to caylee and why casey did such a thing. I keep telling my self I will never know the truth about this but can;t help but hope one day I will know the truth.jmho

[nc1948]

And how it will be proven in court.:rolleyes:

Cindy will tell the jurors that Casey could not hurt Caylee. And everyone will believe her.

[MrsHudson]

I don't know what I'd do in the situation with my father or my husband... but I do know that the love I have for my children is much different than the love I have for anyone else on the face of this earth. I will love them til the day I die, regardless of what they do.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't be horrified and devestated if they killed someone, but I would still love them.

I hear you. Thanks for answering everyone who did answer. I was mostly asking if you would support or stand behind the person but that's okay.

Anyway....it just seems to me that if you know your child is hurting other people, like Casey, stole from Amy, and her grandparents and Lee and Lee's friend and she stole from Jesse too....that's when you have to draw the line and stop standing behind them. Because they are not just hurting YOU they are hurting other people and standing behind or supporting them while they do that....makes no sense. I think it is what's wrong with our society. Parents feel some pressure to defend their kid even when he really is guilty. Who started that crap anyway? Dr Spock?


I bet Cindy would not even want Casey punished for stealing from Amy. I don't know for sure but given how she has acted so far it would not surprise me. It wouldn't be right though would it? Of course not!

Oh well bedtime for me.

[martha]

If casey did not harm caylee then who did? Casey was the last one seen with caylee. caylee was in the trunk of casey;s car. c and g and lee knew that caylee was dead when they picked up the car.They all have known all along that casey did something to caylee. Casey did not want a baby and cindy made her keep caylee. casey had no love in her heart for caylee and she was jealous of her family and caylee because they all loved her so much. why or they not burying caylee? none of this makes any swnce to me. I guess I am just dumb and can;t understand this family.jmho

[MrsHudson]

Cindy will tell the jurors that Casey could not hurt Caylee. And everyone will believe her.

I'm not so sure. Cindy has not been able to convince even her strongest supporters here on this board that Casey could never hurt Caylee.

[Lavenia]

If casey did not harm caylee then who did? Casey was the last one seen with caylee. caylee was in the trunk of casey;s car. c and g and lee knew that caylee was dead when they picked up the car.They all have known all along that casey did something to caylee. Casey did not want a baby and cindy made her keep caylee. casey had no love in her heart for caylee and she was jealous of her family and caylee because they all loved her so much. why or they not burying caylee? none of this makes any swnce to me. I guess I am just dumb and can;t understand this family.jmho

I hear you Miss Martha! You're not dumb, it's just very frustrating to try to figure this out. Good seeing you tonight.

[eagleeer]

You're absolutely right. In fact, I can't even know how it would feel to have a daughter, as I have only sons... but this is my opinion here... if you don't mind.

I am sorry if I ruffled your feathers, I truly am. I have twin daughters and two sons and if anyone of them did what Casey alledgedly did, I would be hard pressed to forgive. I would suppose that it would depend on whether there were any remorse and they stood up for what they did. If Casey were mine and she is guilty, I can say that my love would turn to hate. Sorry that is my opinion.

[crimeq]

OK, I had to watch the jailhouse tape again, up to the point where George mentions the stranger who is invited into the house for Caylee's chili birthday dinner, and I think those of you who suspected that stranger may be Caylee's father are right on target. Wow.

That brings up a couple of things for me: Caylee's immediate response was, you're supposed to love your neighbor--so how specific is neighbor, here, is it really someone very close to where they live?

Secondly, if Casey snapped to the reference that fast, and George was talking about getting to know the person, I think maybe when Casey was pregnant and then gave birth there was hell to pay in that household about who the father was (and not approved by Cindy and George) and now they are cutting some slack to the guy.

I'm really curious to see if we learn more about this.

And now, I'm off to bed ...... Thanks for all the great posting, everybody!

[MiamiNice1]

I agree. Her true colors shone through loud and clear in both and it was both disgusting and disturbing to watch. I couldn't stand listening to Casey say how she couldn't do anything to help because she was in jail. What about the 31 days she had before Caylee was reported missing. What did she do to help find her daughter then?
I just finished listening......omg. Some things that struck me:

ITA with you how disgusting it is to see Casey obviously trying to manipulate over and over about how her being OUT of jail would help find Caylee faster.

Casey saying at the end of the visit, "I'm just as much a victim as you guys are." :cursing:

Or how about George and his ridiculous "You're the boss" analogy??? This guy is pathetic and that is why Casey chose HIM to speak to.

Or George THANKING Casey over and over for "choosing him" to speak to.

Cindy and her drama of putting her head down on the table?




Also, Casey mentions how she spent a half hour WITH JOSE trying to figure out who to choose to speak to......if she was with Jose deciding this, doesn't that mean Jose approved?!

So then WHY did Jose STOP the jailhouse visit and keep George waiting for over an hour???


imo

[~layla~]

Too much creepiness tonight.... off to listen to the WHOLE visit.. thanks Lav for the link up quick like.

:seeya: til tomorrow...

[Lavenia]

Too much creepiness tonight.... off to listen to the WHOLE visit.. thanks Lav for the link up quick like.

:seeya: til tomorrow...

Good night! I'm off, too.

[MiamiNice1]

barf ITA. Jose didn't approve. That is why he stopped the visit. I had a moment where I actually had to give Jose credit in Casey's defense. Stroke of genius on his part. I just wish Casey wouldn't have listened to Jose this one time. Maybe the outcome would have been different and we would have more answers?

So does this mean Casey is - shock - lying when she said Jose was with her while she decided who to see?

Or was Jose lying to Casey?

Or did Jose rethink his position and then realized it would not be a good idea for Casey to speak with George?

Hmmmmm. :confused:

[Oregongal]

Ok, I think I sorta caught up. But, I am feeling so yucka right now.
I so wish I could stay and discuss with you all, but I need to go ni night.
Sorry Rely, never got the alphabet thing....thanks for your instructions tho. :)
And no, whoever said that was tacky, I don't think so. I think it helps us keep focused on Caylee and what was done to her by her mother and then in extension by her gparent's.
Imagine that we are the projective jurors and these are the things we would hear at trial....AND....this is only part of what the prospective jurors will hear. This is a message board that allows all of us to explore and speak right now about what those jurors may question and discuss when they hear it ALL and go into that jury room to decide the fate of this young mother who for whatever reason, chose to put herself ahead of her baby. Not in the usual way that many of us hear of everyday...abuse or neglect...but in the most horrendous way...murder.
The focus we all must continue to have is Caylee. Period.
We are all a cross section, agree/disagree, diff lives/upbringings/experiences, of the jury that will eventually be seated for the trial of Casey.
As I said upthread, we are all here for a reason, as will that final jury be there for a reason.
Hopefully, prayfully, it will be a jury that sees what the majority of this board feels. This mother is guilty of murdering her baby and she will convicted to either LWOP or DP.
We are here for one reason....Caylee. Do not forget that beautiful little face. Do not forget that video of her singing and asking Papa if he's tired.
Do not forget or fall into the spin, the smoke and mirrors that are everyday presented to us thru the media, thru the defense...this baby that was killed. Not taken before her time. Killed. By the one person who was meant to protect and love her no matter what. By the one person that was given a gift so special she should have embraced it. Yet, she chose to ignore, be resentful of and finally throw it away because it intruded upon herself. Her life. Her idea of life.
This Casey took a gift so special, looked upon it as a burden, an intrusion and took the pains to get rid of that gift in the most horrendous way.
Let us not forget or lose focus of that. Caylee. A sweet, special, beautiful baby was thrown away for no reason.
I feel that in God's special and perfect way, he saved her from a life of turmoil and heartache. But, it does not in any way negate or excuse the way she was saved. The one responsible, her own mother who bore her should and God willing will be held accountable for that.
Going to light my daily candles for Caylee now, going to lay my head down and pray my nightly prayers for Caylee now.
Going to say good night to all my board friends now and hope that we all can keep our eyes on the one who matters in this whole thing.....Caylee.
Night all.
:wub:

[MiamiNice1]

The latter. IMO. I asked myself why she would want to speak to the family member she was most disconnected to, then it hit me. George makes perfect sense.

No prying. No tough questions. Casey wanting to reconnect with her dad....
ITA with you. Yes, that makes perfect sense.

IMO, the whole visit is a crock of.......manipulation by Casey.

George is definitely softball. Casey keeps saying "no one sees anything from MY perspective..." So WHY doesn't George ask: So WHAT exactly is your perspective, Casey? If George was a former homicide cop, didn't he ask QUESTIONS of the people he was trying to help?!

Watching and listening to Casey is so eery. She appears to be in a fantasy, denial world about Caylee. Completely detached. Of course, that is why she seems so believable to her parents.

imo

[MiamiNice1]

So who was playing the one up? Casey or George?
Casey, imo, is so pompous sounding.....and I believe SHE believes she is smarter than anyone. I think the "student" has learned well.....

imo

[mosey?]

This is the infamous 8/14 tape. It's must see TV!

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8259267&version=1&locale=EN-USThanks for the link Lavenia. I just finished.

And yikes. Casey and her "Me, me, me! I'm all alone, I have nobody"
I guess nobody told her how lonely being a murderer can be.
Lots of contradiction- "I'm out of the loop" "Jose keeps me informed" No real talk about finding Caylee. She really didnt want her found, did she?

Ironic she spent Caylee's birthday laying on her back in her bunk, reading the bible. She skipped over the part about the 6th commandment before. And now she's quoting it?

Wasnt there a behaviorist who predicted that Casey would find religion about then?

[cuddlyrunner]

Just watching the video

she's praying every day for insight

well, we know now why she wasn't praying for the safe return of her daughter

I have to say, I felt so sorry for Cindy in the opening bit where she sobbed at the sight of Casey in prison stuff :-(

and the relationship with her dad is bizarre compared to her mother

[cuddlyrunner]

she wants to see the person she's missed most, her dad


what about her child????

[mosey?]

she wants to see the person she's missed most, her dad


what about her child????I know! I thought the same thing!

"I wanted to see the person I've been disconneted to the most, and thats you (George)" Ummm..whaaa?
Absolutely no caring comments about her missing daughter and her concern.

I did notice when she said (I've been completely i..*pause* completely out of the loop."
It sounded like she started to say "In the dark" but couldnt. Have a problem with being in the darkness, Casey?

[coffee1950j]

I just finished watching the video also.

Noticed that besides lying about not knowing what was going on by contradicting herself that Jose was keeping her informed, etc. she contradicts herself another time.

When they first got there, she said she was sitting, reading her bible all the time. Then later, she and Cindy talk about a bible that I guess Cindy tried to send her and she said she wasn't allowed to have it BUT that she had received a book from a "Michelle Murphy". Why would she be allowed to receive another book but not the bible?

And I have always said, from "day one" (Cindy's saying) that both Cindy and George are afraid of her. After seeing that temper tantrum, I stick by my original thought. They are petrified of her, IMO.

[Neffy]

Neffy, I really believe it was code for the father of Caylee.

watching it over and over again, this guy was NO stranger to Casey.

and GA and his deliverance speech of the chili feast with the stranger, well its not strange after you listen/watch several times......Casey is all but emotionally sedated once George talks of the 'stranger' that needed them and they needed him.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Pru,

I relistened very carefully and watched out for you said along with some other comments the other posters picked up and I have to say I dont' see what you guys see.

It still sounds like a plain old bizare thing and actually I'd like to put this in some kind of context to have it make sense but it truly doesn't.

I'll take a back seat on this as I don't have an alternative thought other then to say it's very strange thing to do. :)

[cuddlyrunner]

Right, I've watched the whole thing now.

What on earth does she hold over them that makes them so terrified of making her angry????

[coffee1950j]

Right, I've watched the whole thing now.

What on earth does she hold over them that makes them so terrified of making her angry????

IMO, after watching that video, I believe that Casey gets PHYSICALLY violent when she is angry. Just seeing the look on her face, the way she clenched her fists, gritted her teeth, etc. was very telling to me.

And I also agree with whomever said, the reason she picked George is because she KNOWS he would not ask her a lot of questions. That's why she didn't want to talk to Cindy, threatened to get up and walk way, etc.

[Neffy]

Right, I've watched the whole thing now.

What on earth does she hold over them that makes them so terrified of making her angry????


I've watched this a few times now and I agree that they've been walking on eggshells and are afraid of something. But it's like that in every recording of them not only this one.

IMO they know she knows something. They're trying to keep the lines of communication open because if she walks out so does Caylee. Unfortunaley knowing what we know now that was never going to work.

As a matter of fact what they ended up doing was exasperating the problem as the more they ignored the elephant in the room and talking to Casey on the terms she allowed and referring to her as the "boss" it went to her head giving her more strength and almost vindication that she is going to get away with this.

During this time which is all before Caylee's remains were found their only hope was for Casey to talk.

[AbbyNormal]

I've watched this a few times now and I agree that they've been walking on eggshells and are afraid of something. But it's like that in every recording of them not only this one.

IMO they know she knows something. They're trying to keep the lines of communication open because if she walks out so does Caylee. Unfortunaley knowing what we know now that was never going to work.

As a matter of fact what they ended up doing was exasperating the problem as the more they ignored the elephant in the room and talking to Casey on the terms she allowed and referring to her as the "boss" it went to her head giving her more strength and almost vindication that she is going to get away with this.

During this time which is all before Caylee's remains were found their only hope was for Casey to talk.Hi Neffy,

I finally listened to the tape. I think they are afraid Casey will talk to the "wrong" people. At one point, they tell Casey Dominick is good to talk to. The A's want to find Cayley before someone in LE does.

They know Caylee is with the Angels already. They don't want everyone else to know.

imo

[AbbyNormal]

Hello? Anyone?

Bueller?

[coffee1950j]

And another thing I noticed on the video. Casey gets all upset when she thinks they had a "big party" without her. The "party girl" wasn't able to attend, boo hoo. So right away, they settle her down by saying there was only themselves, Lee and Mallory............. and of course, the "stranger".

[AbbyNormal]

And another thing I noticed on the video. Casey gets all upset when she thinks they had a "big party" without her. The "party girl" wasn't able to attend, boo hoo. So right away, they settle her down by saying there was only themselves, Lee and Mallory............. and of course, the "stranger".I didn't get the part about the "stranger" at all. They all seem to understand who or what the reference is to though.

[AbbyNormal]

Cindy says, "I was in Lake County the other day. Was anything there"?

I think she is asking if Caylee is in the Lake? That's when Casey comes unglued, because Cindy is all but giving away the game.

Anyone else thinking this way?

[AbbyNormal]

Well, good night all ~

[cathiesblogs]

Casey honestly thinks she is going to get by with murdering this little girl..
She has the most evil soul of any serial killer that I have ever read about..or seen on tv..She thinks the world revolves around her !..What is wrong with her??....geezzzz she is totally demonic !!!!!!!!!!!