Thursday January 15 - Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning,

If anyone will be charged for obstruction and/or aiding and abetting, when would that happen? After trial or before the trial?

There are so many conflicting reports out there that it's hard to keep track of what is true or not.

On HLN, the reporter said that her sources told her that no charges against Lee but then on NG last night, they were discussing immunity deals again.

:unsure:

[SavannahStar]

I got the feeling NG last night was just a rehash. I didn't watch closely but that's what some on the board were saying last night.

Good morning.

[Calla]

Been reading up:
How did Jesse and his father hear about the nanny Zenaida as far back as 2006 and Casey happen to find a person by the same name filling out an application at the apartment complex in 2008??
This case has got to have the most coincidences of any case I have ever been aware of!


I am flabberghasted by the things that I have read.

[Januarybaby]

I want to see CA, LA, and GA go down with their daughter for everything they put everyone through. The lies, deceit, and manipulation

They are not above the law, they cannot get away with the things they have done and should be punished also.

[Gaelic-Lass]

Yaaaaaaaawn, just waking up. Thanks for starting this daily thread n/t.

There are so many rumors started on this board by the same person it makes it harder to stay on track.

No ammunity for Cindy is all I want.

Good morning all. Thanks for the thread n/t. ITA with you Sedation, but along with Cindy, I don't want ANY of them to get immunity. When I think about that, it just chills me - what on earth have they all done that they need immunity? Whatever it is, they don't deserve it - and not because it is the A's - NO ONE, IMO, deserves immunity in the death of a child!

[n/t]

I got the feeling NG last night was just a rehash. I didn't watch closely but that's what some on the board were saying last night.

Good morning.


I didn't think it was a rehash at all. I think the problem is reporters are using the "sources" too loosely. We don't know how credible these sources are.

None of the lawyers came out and said no charges, correct? I may have missed it. I would think if it was true, they would be jump on the opportunity to say none of them had any involvement.

Hopefully, we'll get the official word sooner than later. For my sake, lol.

[AMS]

Good morning. Minus 35 degrees here today. School has been closed because it's too cold. Yuck!

The immunity talk on NG last night confused. If the state attorney issues you a subpoena, you are granted use immunity. Is that what they were saying?

My hunch is the psychic is not liking Kathi Belich very much. Tuesday night she got upset with Kathi when Kathi said the psychic was bragging. Last night Kathi told the story about the woman who called her and said they had paid $5,000 to the psychic to locate a missing child and all they got back was useless info. :ohmy:

[desmom]

I didn't think it was a rehash at all. I think the problem is reporters are using the "sources" too loosely. We don't know how credible these sources are.

None of the lawyers came out and said no charges, correct? I may have missed it. I would think if it was true, they would be jump on the opportunity to say none of them had any involvement.

Hopefully, we'll get the official word sooner than later. For my sake, lol.

Good Morning All!

I agree n/t. The source could be a janitor for all we know. I don't want to read about "sources confirmed". I think information about this case is being held close to the vest and the reporters are running with any little tidbit or rumor just for the headlines.

jmo

[klock777]

Does anyone know how old psychic Ginette Lucas is? I am just wondering - her pics show her to be pretty young - yet the woman who called to discredit her said she hired her 20 years ago...? Does she look to be at least 40???? I didn't think she did.

[AMS]

Deputy in Caylee Anthony case cleared in earlier complaints

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/localandstate/orl-casey1509jan15,0,324016.story

[AMS]

Does anyone know how old psychic Ginette Lucas is? I am just wondering - her pics show her to be pretty young - yet the woman who called to discredit her said she hired her 20 years ago...? Does she look to be at least 40???? I didn't think she did.

Here's her web site. I didn't see her age but looks like she has done quite a bit of work. She does look young to me.

http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/index.html

[klock777]

Here's her web site. I didn't see her age but looks like she has done quite a bit of work. She does look young to me.

http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/index.html

Say she has been consulting for 6 years....

[CC I See]

Re: Immunity for Lee and what does it mean.

My opinion is that I think that Casey told Lee what happened to Caylee right after Caylee went missing and he has helped her cover it up. At least she told him some kind of story not necessarily the truth but enough truth for him to know that Caylee was dead and where her remains were. Because of this, LE now may suspect Lee of helping hide evidence pointing to his sister and may have also helped her hide Caylee's body or worse moved it after Casey was in jail to throw off suspicion.

I also think this whole Caylee is alive and we are looking for a live Caylee charade was perpetuated by the family to protect Casey and that they knew all along that she was dead. Although they put on a convincing show, their show is now showing little red flags that should have tipped us off had we looked a little harder at what they really were saying. I think that even Nancy Grace was fooled by their dog and pony show. I am not at the point of saying that Cindy and George should be prosecuted but as this case unravels the support they have been seeking has now vanished and people see them for what they really are who used the grief of their granddaughter to hide behind while they were trying to save their daughter from prison.

[Beach~Tenant]

Re: Immunity for Lee and what does it mean.

My opinion is that I think that Casey told Lee what happened to Caylee right after Caylee went missing and he has helped her cover it up. At least she told him some kind of story not necessarily the truth but enough truth for him to know that Caylee was dead and where her remains were. Because of this, LE now may suspect Lee of helping hide evidence pointing to his sister and may have also helped her hide Caylee's body or worse moved it after Casey was in jail to throw off suspicion.

I also think this whole Caylee is alive and we are looking for a live Caylee charade was perpetuated by the family to protect Casey and that they knew all along that she was dead. Although they put on a convincing show, their show is now showing little red flags that should have tipped us off had we looked a little harder at what they really were saying. I think that even Nancy Grace was fooled by their dog and pony show. I am not at the point of saying that Cindy and George should be prosecuted but as this case unravels the support they have been seeking has now vanished and people see them for what they really are who used the grief of their granddaughter to hide behind while they were trying to save their daughter from prison.


MG!! I agree, however hard it is...I just cannot believe how Lee ( or any of them especially casey) continuously 'Move" the body from one place to another and not be sick with grief???? They treated her as though she was a bag of garbage!!! How can anyone be so w/OUT a concience???? how do they go on with the rest of thier lives with this kind of GUILT???

[CC I See]

It is easy not to argue with those who are attempting to get this forum shut for kicks. Ignore option.

Caylee...:rose:

Yes, it would be nice to give an honest opinion without having to worry about being blasted by someone for whatever reason. No matter what you post, there is always someone who takes offense in some way for whatever reason. Lets keep this board open !

[Elle]

Been reading up:
How did Jesse and his father hear about the nanny Zenaida as far back as 2006 and Casey happen to find a person by the same name filling out an application at the apartment complex in 2008??
This case has got to have the most coincidences of any case I have ever been aware of!


I am flabberghasted by the things that I have read.

Good morning Calla
IIRC Richard Grund and his family had been watching Caylee pretty much on a daily basis, he could no longer do this and told Casey, she immediately said that was fine because she had found someone. I believe he said Casey told him of the name Zanny, but she did not use the name Zenaida.
I believe that 'Zenaida' was born the night Ricardo asked CAsey about Zanny the nanny and what kind of name it was. She told him Zanny was short for Zenaida, that happened sometime between february and may of 2008.

imo, moo

[playnice]

Looks like Lee will be turning on the rest of the family?

Or could it be a ruse, by the defense? They have had a lot of time to hunker down and plot. Any thoughts on this?

I look for a smackdown to start after the memorial (if they ever have one.) They only need one of the A's to rat out the others.

[destiny1]

Anyone charged with obstruction and abetting can be charged for up to 4 years IIRC, I will try to find out. It is too early to revisit florida statutes.

Have You all seen this article?
Deputy in Caylee Anthony case cleared in earlier complaints

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/localandstate/orl-casey1509jan15,0,324016.story

Another one escapes the bus tires?

[CelticDawn]

Looks like Lee will be turning on the rest of the family?

Or could it be a ruse, by the defense? They have had a lot of time to hunker down and plot. Any thoughts on this?


Morning...
could be..but with the screwups by Dcasey and the other evidence<phone records, etc> ... they are going to implode.

[kOOkie1]

I dont know ... it just seems the more details that are reported the more confusing it is. I am sure I've said it before, but, I can imagine LE has soo much we dont know about that will help all of this make some kind of sense (not that anything would make this make sense) :cursing: Its just hard for me to imagine Lee helping in any way with moving his nieces body around..it just sickens me. :scared:I am so thankful Caylee was found..I know that! I imagined her lil body being out there and all of us who have come to adore this baby wonder when or if someone will stumble across her. This family has an aura of bad vibes (getting 70's on ya')..they just have never much seemed like shocked-grieving family members to me. I have no doubt Caylee was loved by Cindy, George and Lee, but, I think she was used emotionally by Casey & Cindy which is not the kind of love a child deserves. I just cant wait for this trial!!!!

[CC I See]

Anyone charged with obstruction and abetting can be charged for up to 4 years IIRC, I will try to find out. It is too early to revisit florida statutes.

Have You all seen this article?
Deputy in Caylee Anthony case cleared in earlier complaints

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/localandstate/orl-casey1509jan15,0,324016.story

Another one escapes the bus tires?
If LE in Orlando is like other cities, the police are understaffed and overworked. For this officer to go further without additional resources given the vagueness of the report would have been a waste of valuable police officer time. Sure, in hindsight we see what it meant but given the information that he had, and the large area that needed searching, I agree with the officer's response. What they should have done though was send a search team there later to rule out the area.

BTW: Searching through trash is a health hazard, searchers should wear protective gear that he may or may not have had.

[CelticDawn]

Yaaaaaaaawn, just waking up. Thanks for starting this daily thread n/t.

There are so many rumors started on this board by the same person it makes it harder to stay on track.

No ammunity for Cindy is all I want.
NONE of those people deserve any slack....If they had anything to do with the immediate murder<knew it and helped> then they should pay. If they knew after the fact and helped her cover it up, they deserve to pay. If they know ANYTHING about this babys untimely demise....THEY need to PAY.

<Ill stop ranting now>

I see that deputy was cleared in his earlier scrapes.

[Elle]

Anyone charged with obstruction and abetting can be charged for up to 4 years IIRC, I will try to find out. It is too early to revisit florida statutes.

Have You all seen this article?
Deputy in Caylee Anthony case cleared in earlier complaints

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/localandstate/orl-casey1509jan15,0,324016.story

Another one escapes the bus tires?

Hi Destiny.
Thanks for posting this.
jmo....nobody escapes the bus tires.

[kitty1182]

Good morning....I'm waiting to see who else enters the circus ring...
I started here during the Westerfield case, and this is the craziest case yet....
I can hardly wait till the trial starts!!

[dixielover]

Anyone charged with obstruction and abetting can be charged for up to 4 years IIRC, I will try to find out. It is too early to revisit florida statutes.

Have You all seen this article?
Deputy in Caylee Anthony case cleared in earlier complaints

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/localandstate/orl-casey1509jan15,0,324016.story

Another one escapes the bus tires?


I am glad the officer was cleared- One less lawyer to have to deal with.
Did NG say last night that on August 11 Kronk had another 1 or 2 meter readers with him and he went into the woods to releif himself. I had never heard that before- I did hear that he relieved himself in Dec. The story is kind of changing gradually. jmo

[CelticDawn]

If LE in Orlando is like other cities, the police are understaffed and overworked. For this officer to go further without additional resources given the vagueness of the report would have been a waste of valuable police officer time. Sure, in hindsight we see what it meant but given the information that he had, and the large area that needed searching, I agree with the officer's response. What they should have done though was send a search team there later to rule out the area.

BTW: Searching through trash is a health hazard, searchers should wear protective gear that he may or may not have had.
Exactly...!!! In all cities these days...LE is grossly overworked and have always been understaffed...add to that, in this parti cular case, the nuts that come out of the woodwork to insert themselves into the investigation and the MISinformation that was given in the name of "finding a live victim"...and there you have it.

[BJames]

I look for a smackdown to start after the memorial (if they ever have one.) They only need one of the A's to rat out the others.

I wonder if it will happen?
I am thinking that Cindy is trying to draw the troops together, with Lee moving home...who would crack? It appears that he has played the part of the 'good son', while his sister went about her ways...but by all rights he seems 'devoted'. And then there is George...who seems convinced that he is 'lucky' to have Cindy..'after all he has done'...could he step outside of the 'loyalty'? I don't know...it is very hard to change ones position in a family dynamic that has chugged along...everyone plays a part, and up until now even as dysfunctional as it seems to us..it has worked for these folks.
For Cindy to 'crack' it would take her whole identity as not only a mother...but the 'head' of a family that she has always tried to make look 'perfect' to the outsiders. To me it's all a charade....but for the Anthony's the reality would blow apart their world and they would all have to re-define themselves.
I wonder if there is one of them that would be willing to do that?
I wouldn't want to live in that house nor be a part of this for all of the tea in China...the only way for them to begin to heal from this (and/or move forward) is to let it all fall down and build it on firmer ground...but could they even do that?

Just my opinion of course...

[destiny1]

I am glad the officer was cleared- One less lawyer to have to deal with.
Did NG say last night that on August 11 Kronk had another 1 or 2 meter readers with him and he went into the woods to releif himself. I had never heard that before- I did hear that he relieved himself in Dec. The story is kind of changing gradually. jmo
I wish these stories would get right the first time and stay right.

[Elle]

I'm with you. Wish the wheels of justice were not so slow. Can't the LE see what Cindy is pulling to stall being interviewed. :cursing:

What interview? Are you talking about the deposition in the Zenaida civil case?

[Barbara fl.]

I am really puzzled at the most recent events........

Cindy and George appeared on the LKL show on December 4th....the very next day Caylee's body was discovered....While they were on the LKL show...Cindy was still referring to a live Caylee...as was George....they both still seemed upset that LE as well as Tim Miller and the rest were looking for a dead Caylee.....I believe that Cindy went as far as saying that they wouldn't be looking for a live Caylee around wooded areas.....

But meanwhile a PI hired by the Anthony's was searching in the very same area, 1 month prior, in the very same area where Caylee's remains were found.....The Anthony's HAD to have known what the PI was looking for.....So why was it OK that the person THEY hired was looking for a dead Caylee but not OK for anyone else to be looking for a dead Caylee....

Also this psychic that claims to have been on the phone with the PI is obviously full of it....any phone records can be retrieved very easily for 3 months...it has only been 2 months since the call.....

Therefore, it is obvious that both the stories that this PI has told has been proven (in my opinion) to be lies.....Which now causes me to firmly believe that the PI, WAS IN FACT talking to one of the Anthony's when he went to that area......AND, if that be the case...then there is NO doubt in my mind, had the body been found then, it would have been moved and hid.....

The body being found was the worst that could have happened to Casey's case....The defense was going with insisting that Caylee is still alive.....(what the Anthony's both said on December 14th on LKL)....

The reason I believe this is because IF the Anthony's truly wanted the body to be found then LE would have been the one to go to that area with instruction from the Anthony's NOT a person who is hired by the Anthony's....The Anthony's would NOT have taken the chance in going there because that would have been too damaging to their daughters case.....

Now, in the event that the Anthony's wanted the body found and wanted it to appear that ZG put the body there, then when the body wasn't found. It confused the Anthony's even more.....And as faith may have it, the MR came upon it.......

This could very well be the reason they are asking for imunity....JMO

[CC I See]

I am glad the officer was cleared- One less lawyer to have to deal with.
Did NG say last night that on August 11 Kronk had another 1 or 2 meter readers with him and he went into the woods to releif himself. I had never heard that before- I did hear that he relieved himself in Dec. The story is kind of changing gradually. jmo
I believe they work in pairs. The more people reading the more area they can cover thus saving gas.

[nc1948]

It is easy not to argue with those who are attempting to get this forum shut for kicks. Ignore option.

Caylee...:rose:

Skip, scroll and ignore work great. But it is not always EASY to do that when they are giving incorrect info and blasting posters that have been with this case from the beginning. I know, I have fallen for it a couple of times, even when I know that is what they want. I do so love a calm, educating board. I especially enjoy those that disagree with me as they are the ones that make me rethink my position. If we all agree it would be boring.
Thanks to all posters. I enjoy this board and it is only one I post on but boy has it been a roller coaster ride with the circus involved.

[WillowInFlight]

Good Morning guys, I was thinking about this last night after going over the time line that someone posted. What "IF" it really was an accident, we haven't heard why LE believes it was on purpose, unless they are going by the use of the tape.

But I was thinking about the pool steps being down, what if Casey and Caylee came back after George left for work, Casey either feel asleep, got on the computer or phone, and Caylee wandered to the pool and drowned. No way do I believe it was Caylee that put the pool steps down, maybe Casey did when she went in to get her. Then you have the flurry of calls, no one answers, Casey hides Caylee in the toy chest for the night, comes back the next day and gets the body. What if the duct tape was put on after death, to make it look like the kidnapper did it..

I know we all talked about this scenario before, but the pool steps being down has always bothered me. Cindy called George and asked if he left them down, why didn't she call Casey and ask her?. If they were so child conscious, why wasn't there a lock on the gate? Maybe I'm back to grasping and just really want to believe it was an accident.

[CC I See]

I am really puzzled at the most recent events........

Cindy and George appeared on the LKL show on December 4th....the very next day Caylee's body was discovered....While they were on the LKL show...Cindy was still referring to a live Caylee...as was George....they both still seemed upset that LE as well as Tim Miller and the rest were looking for a dead Caylee.....I believe that Cindy went as far as saying that they wouldn't be looking for a live Caylee around wooded areas.....

But meanwhile a PI hired by the Anthony's was searching in the very same area, 1 month prior, in the very same area where Caylee's remains were found.....The Anthony's HAD to have known what the PI was looking for.....So why was it OK that the person THEY hired was looking for a dead Caylee but not OK for anyone else to be looking for a dead Caylee....

Also this psychic that claims to have been on the phone with the PI is obviously full of it....any phone records can be retrieved very easily for 3 months...it has only been 2 months since the call.....

Therefore, it is obvious that both the stories that this PI has told has been proven (in my opinion) to be lies.....Which now causes me to firmly believe that the PI, WAS IN FACT talking to one of the Anthony's when he went to that area......AND, if that be the case...then there is NO doubt in my mind, had the body been found then, it would have been moved and hid.....

The body being found was the worst that could have happened to Casey's case....The defense was going with insisting that Caylee is still alive.....(what the Anthony's both said on December 14th on LKL)....

The reason I believe this is because IF the Anthony's truly wanted the body to be found then LE would have been the one to go to that area with instruction from the Anthony's NOT a person who is hired by the Anthony's....The Anthony's would NOT have taken the chance in going there because that would have been too damaging to their daughters case.....

Now, in the event that the Anthony's wanted the body found and wanted it to appear that ZG put the body there, then when the body wasn't found. It confused the Anthony's even more.....And as faith may have it, the MR came upon it.......

This could very well be the reason they are asking for imunity....JMO

....and the Anthony they were probably talking to was Lee.

[CANDYKISSES]

Same person too.

When will Caylee finally be put to rest? Cindy sending any more "you're not invited e-mails"?


I wonder if those emails are sought after dis-invites? :unsure:

Food for thought...

Check this link out in Breaking News....

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347852

Given the mother was taking the baby to the doctor ALLEGEDLY, I wonder what the circumstances were that allowed for this AMBER ALERT?

IF the circumstances of Caylee's death turn out to be around an alleged incident in the home, could someone have stopped Casey?

I know we've been TOLD you can't do anything, but I am not so sure IF CASEY had ever been diagnosed with a mental illness. Thoughts???

Back to reading....:unsure:

[CANDYKISSES]

....and the Anthony they were probably talking to was Lee.


Add to that, I've never seen anyone use dowsing to try and locate a live child IF it's true she was involved by an invitation...JMOOC:rolleyes:

I agree, it might be Lee is the missing link here, but I think people involved and just following this case really wanted to see the best in Lee because in the beginning he sure seemed to want to help and found himself in a precarious situation with his family and LE....:sad:

[WillowInFlight]

....and the Anthony they were probably talking to was Lee.

I do tend to believe Lee knew more than what he admits, very early on he was eager to help any way he could, then he did a total flip.

[beetlebrow]

Good Morning all.......

The court ordered the prosecution to hand over several pieces of evidence within 10 days.........including crime scene photos, jail visits, interviews....etc.....

Court date was Jan. 8 so......tomorrow or Monday???

I sure hope we get a document dump because I am tired of reading about possible obstruction, abetting charges......my head is spinning and I think the state is going to do whatever it takes to convict Casey when they want and how they want..:tongue:...

[*MoonRider*]

Here's her web site. I didn't see her age but looks like she has done quite a bit of work. She does look young to me.

http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/index.html

I brought this over from last night's tread.

Im going back and reading news articles. She did say that her father gets the bill but I also thought I read she used her fathers phone...or maybe i just assumed it was her fathers since he got the bill. I also read that dom the PI called her and they exchanged emails. I did happen to find this just now[ below post}. Remember the psychic used an intermediarty as a go between, well look what KFN has on their website

http://www.kidfindersnetwork.com/files/Media%20Kit%201.pdf

"Psychic and Investigations - We have an exclusive Psychic that we use to obtain any information or leads.
With our own Investigative Team we investigate the leads and provide any information to law enforcement.
Psychic's are now playing a major roll in providing useful leads in missing person investigations. These
services are used strictly within our own organization. We Are Not For Hire Nor Are These Tips To Be Relied
On As 100% Accurate. It is simply used as an additional tool, by our organization, to help find a Missing
Person."

IMO the Kid Finder people could be behind the psychic.

[WillowInFlight]

Good Morning all.......

The court ordered the prosecution to hand over several pieces of evidence within 10 days.........including crime scene photos, jail visits, interviews....etc.....

Court date was Jan. 8 so......tomorrow or Monday???

I sure hope we get a document dump because I am tired of reading about possible obstruction, abetting charges......my head is spinning and I think the state is going to do whatever it takes to convict Casey when they want and how they want..:tongue:...

I'm waiting with baited breath to see the docs from 8/14.

[Barbara fl.]

I dont know ... it just seems the more details that are reported the more confusing it is. I am sure I've said it before, but, I can imagine LE has soo much we dont know about that will help all of this make some kind of sense (not that anything would make this make sense) :cursing: Its just hard for me to imagine Lee helping in any way with moving his nieces body around..it just sickens me. :scared:I am so thankful Caylee was found..I know that! I imagined her lil body being out there and all of us who have come to adore this baby wonder when or if someone will stumble across her. This family has an aura of bad vibes (getting 70's on ya')..they just have never much seemed like shocked-grieving family members to me. I have no doubt Caylee was loved by Cindy, George and Lee, but, I think she was used emotionally by Casey & Cindy which is not the kind of love a child deserves. I just cant wait for this trial!!!!


If you recall, Cindy was in a panic when she first called 911, she was still in a panic while Casey was first incarcerated...she kept trying to get info out of Casey...

BUT then after LP bonded Casey out, Cindy said on TV that she felt calm now that she spoke with her daughter....and Cindy, from that point on, has been in Casey defense....I BELIEVE it was during this period that Cindy and George both were told that Caylee was deceased and I believe it was at this time that the Anthony's were also informed as to where the body was....but they were unable to go to the spot because of all the media attention....This was ALSO why Cindy kept pushing for LE to be searching for a live Caylee instead of a dead Caylee....This was also why Cindy took a dislike to Tim Miller....

They were trying to protect Casey from almost the very beginning....AND IF LENNY PADILLA HAD NOT bonded Casey out of jail...I believe that the Anthony's would have continued on the same path with trying to get info out of Casey.....because they honestly didn't think that Caylee was dead during that time......JMO

[playnice]

I brought this over from last night's tread.



IMO the Kid Finder people could be behind the psychic.

Thats the first thing I thought when she crawled out from under her rock . KF must have known her.:biggrin:

[Elle]

No, the LE was supposed to interview the As to decide whether to grant them ammunity. The LE said they would hold off until after Caylee was put to rest. So the longer Cindy puts this off, no LE interview.

Thanks Sedation
I completely forgot about that interview. Is it known if Caylee's remains have been released by Casey/Baez for burial? IIRC last Friday Conway stated they had not been released but were expecting them to be released sometime mid week (of this week).
IDK Sedation, I hate being so skeptical. I have been having an increasingly difficult time finding the positive in so many of these people. I would like to think that not everyone is lying, but then 2 seconds later, it is shown to be the case. I dont know what to believe or what to think. I am just sad today, I had higher expectations of human beings.

[Barbara fl.]

....and the Anthony they were probably talking to was Lee.


Yes, i'm more than sure thats who it was......

What the LE hasn't, or is aware and not saying, is that there are pay in advance cell phones, you can buy one for 20 bucks and no call can be traced....I'm sure that the phone that the PI was on was one of those phones....He's a PI, so he wouldn't be using his personal cell phone for any calls of this nature.....they now are trying to come up with any explanation as to who was on the other end....and some how when the sick daughter didn't wash, they came up with this psychic BS....JMO

[ishkabibble]

If LE in Orlando is like other cities, the police are understaffed and overworked. For this officer to go further without additional resources given the vagueness of the report would have been a waste of valuable police officer time. Sure, in hindsight we see what it meant but given the information that he had, and the large area that needed searching, I agree with the officer's response. What they should have done though was send a search team there later to rule out the area.

BTW: Searching through trash is a health hazard, searchers should wear protective gear that he may or may not have had.

I agree.. but I do think deputies who are responding to tips regarding the possible remains of a missing person/child should have the necessary equipment/training to answer such calls. I know they were getting a lot of tips and it takes a lot of manpower to follow up on these calls, but perhaps LE could assign a specific group of deputies to
respond.

[destiny1]

What interview? Are you talking about the deposition in the Zenaida civil case?

Anyplace where normal people would be inclined to tell the truth.
Th zenaida Gonzales case and LE would like to speak with them.

they will attempt to bully zenaidas counsel.

They will try to horsetrade with LE. I don't see what else they have to offer evidence wise. I am counting on forensic science to take over and make anything they say unneeded.

[cassidy]

Good Morning guys, I was thinking about this last night after going over the time line that someone posted. What "IF" it really was an accident, we haven't heard why LE believes it was on purpose, unless they are going by the use of the tape.

But I was thinking about the pool steps being down, what if Casey and Caylee came back after George left for work, Casey either feel asleep, got on the computer or phone, and Caylee wandered to the pool and drowned. No way do I believe it was Caylee that put the pool steps down, maybe Casey did when she went in to get her. Then you have the flurry of calls, no one answers, Casey hides Caylee in the toy chest for the night, comes back the next day and gets the body. What if the duct tape was put on after death, to make it look like the kidnapper did it..

I know we all talked about this scenario before, but the pool steps being down has always bothered me. Cindy called George and asked if he left them down, why didn't she call Casey and ask her?. If they were so child conscious, why wasn't there a lock on the gate? Maybe I'm back to grasping and just really want to believe it was an accident.

I tried to believe that it was an accident too. My stumbling block on that is why didn't Casey come clean the night of the 911 calls? Why is she sitting in jail not talking? An accident would have been easier to prove 6 months ago than it is now, it would seem to me.

JMO

[destiny1]

Thats the first thing I thought when she crawled out from under her rock . KF must have known her.:biggrin:

IMO, Kidfinders is not to be trusted in any way shape or form.

[kitty1182]

Is there a hearing this morning?

[summer4meplz]

Good Morning guys, I was thinking about this last night after going over the time line that someone posted. What "IF" it really was an accident, we haven't heard why LE believes it was on purpose, unless they are going by the use of the tape.

But I was thinking about the pool steps being down, what if Casey and Caylee came back after George left for work, Casey either feel asleep, got on the computer or phone, and Caylee wandered to the pool and drowned. No way do I believe it was Caylee that put the pool steps down, maybe Casey did when she went in to get her. Then you have the flurry of calls, no one answers, Casey hides Caylee in the toy chest for the night, comes back the next day and gets the body. What if the duct tape was put on after death, to make it look like the kidnapper did it..

I know we all talked about this scenario before, but the pool steps being down has always bothered me. Cindy called George and asked if he left them down, why didn't she call Casey and ask her?. If they were so child conscious, why wasn't there a lock on the gate? Maybe I'm back to grasping and just really want to believe it was an accident.


good morning Willow and everyone....could it have been a....dare I say it...another anthony lie?

[Barbara fl.]

I agree.. but I do think deputies who are responding to tips regarding the possible remains of a missing person/child should have the necessary equipment/training to answer such calls. I know they were getting a lot of tips and it takes a lot of manpower to follow up on these calls, but perhaps LE could assign a specific group of deputies to
respond.


I wont blame the deputy for not finding the body....although it would have been nice if he would have looked a little better....but they did have 5000 tips to follow....we knew the body had to be somewhere but it was like looking for a needle in a haystack.....Florida is full of small wooded areas....almost every 1/4 of a mile there is one.....and as most people would have thought that the area so close to the Anthony's would not have been where Casey would have put her......

BUT, what I am disturbed about is that they are hounding this MR, they are checking out HIS background, they are putting his personal business in the street.....HE IS THE GOOD GUY HERE.....HOW can LE ever expect to get the publics help in anything at all if they are going to scrutinize the good citizen.....I wouldn't care if this MR was an ex convict (that would be his business)....Now they are bringing in "back child support" For one, anyman or woman that is taken to court for child support, the courts automatically go back 4 years...which is the "back child support" and if the one who is sueing for child support don't bother to try and collect that back support, it just stay's on the record......IF, the MR's wife had tried to collect that, it would have been being taken out of his pay check....seeing as it obviously was not...she must not have tried to collect it.......So why is this being brought up now? The defense as well as Lenny Padilla has been trying to discredit this guy from day one.....I can not figure it....JMO

[WillowInFlight]

I tried to believe that it was an accident too. My stumbling block on that is why didn't Casey come clean the night of the 911 calls? Why is she sitting in jail not talking? An accident would have been easier to prove 6 months ago than it is now, it would seem to me.

JMO

I have gone over that in my mind a million times, the only thing I can think of is Casey was terrified of being a failure in Cindy's eyes, Maybe Cindy at one time told Casey that if she didn't watch Caylee around the pool better she would drown, Maybe Caylee had a near drowning once.

I still want to know what Lee meant when he asked "is this like last time". Maybe that would explain Cindy's calmness when she says she knows Casey didn't hurt Caylee.

OTOH, I can't explain the lies to LE about her working. I can't explain the partying, or her total disconnect from Caylee.

[CC I See]

So, maybe it went this way....

Casey may have given Lee enough hints as to where Caylee's remains were but not enough so he was put in touch with Kid Finders psychic who came up with some suggested search areas. Since the family could not go to the location, they hired a PI to help with the search. If he had found the remains and then told the Anthony family, there would have been nothing for the Meter Reader to find that day. Just a theory ONLY.

[trich]

Good morning....
IMO all these suggested charges against the Anthonys , Lee included I think are just all smoke and mirrors to try and take the focus off Casey.
I am of the belief that the LE have everything they need to convict her of killing Caylee.
I believe it is the media that is keeping all this other "stuff" in the fore front because there has been no more actual evidence released.
Not to mention the defense and their smoke and mirrors.
I believe that the defense has nothing but to try and dispute the forensics ....
I don't for a minute believe the body was moved all over....
It may have been in the backyard for a bit but I think it has been
in the woods under water since June when Casey dumped her there herself.
I do believe that her family has been covering for her since the night of July 15th when they retreived the car and found her.
They went into" cover for Casey mode" right then and there.
Something they have been doing for years.
But I hope this time Casey will have to pay the price for what she has done.
I myself do want the Anthonys to pay for the lies and flasehoods they have been guilty of but the main thing is to convict Casey so that Caylee gets justice.

[marshmallow]

The defense as well as Lenny Padilla has been trying to discredit this guy from day one.....I can not figure it....JMO



In my opinion, the defense needs to cast doubt on everyone and everything to keep our eyes off Casey.
LP just seems to have a bad case of the jealousys.

[WillowInFlight]

good morning Willow and everyone....could it have been a....dare I say it...another anthony lie?

Good morning sweetness, I have thought of that too, We know from Cindy or was it George, that she called George and asked if he left the stairs down and the gate open, I have read nowhere that she called and asked Casey the same question.

[*MoonRider*]

I tried to believe that it was an accident too. My stumbling block on that is why didn't Casey come clean the night of the 911 calls? Why is she sitting in jail not talking? An accident would have been easier to prove 6 months ago than it is now, it would seem to me.

JMO

Because it was no accident.

[kOOkie1]

A source close to the investigation said Wednesday that Roy Kronk now believes he saw Caylee Anthony’s skull sticking out of a bag the first day he reported something suspicious in the woods in August. Kronk mentions seeing something white in his first 911 call, but said a deputy who came to the scene blew him off.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18469488/detail.html

[TisMeAgain]

I brought this over from last night's tread.



IMO the Kid Finder people could be behind the psychic.

Good Morning Everyone! I believe KFN is behind it as well. I hope we get some new info pretty darn fast as I have a webinar in 40 minutes.

[Neffy]

Does anyone know the exact count of Casey sightings that were called in?

I've never listened to the tips that were called in. 5000+

That was the Anthony machine at work there. They bombarded LE that's ALOT of calls. Between having to check that out and hearing the Anthony's on TV all the story's changing it kept producting more work for them and it was a constant follow up on follow up due to them.

I wonder how many people were affected that routine police work was put on hold thru out this district, how many other families were affected that we don't even know about.

The entitlement goes thru out this whole family.

Amazing how a few people can affect so many.

[Lavenia]

I wonder if it will happen?
I am thinking that Cindy is trying to draw the troops together, with Lee moving home...who would crack? It appears that he has played the part of the 'good son', while his sister went about her ways...but by all rights he seems 'devoted'. And then there is George...who seems convinced that he is 'lucky' to have Cindy..'after all he has done'...could he step outside of the 'loyalty'? I don't know...it is very hard to change ones position in a family dynamic that has chugged along...everyone plays a part, and up until now even as dysfunctional as it seems to us..it has worked for these folks.
For Cindy to 'crack' it would take her whole identity as not only a mother...but the 'head' of a family that she has always tried to make look 'perfect' to the outsiders. To me it's all a charade....but for the Anthony's the reality would blow apart their world and they would all have to re-define themselves.
I wonder if there is one of them that would be willing to do that?
I wouldn't want to live in that house nor be a part of this for all of the tea in China...the only way for them to begin to heal from this (and/or move forward) is to let it all fall down and build it on firmer ground...but could they even do that?

Just my opinion of course...


This is the first post I came to on this thread but I so agree with your assessment! :thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

A source close to the investigation said Wednesday that Roy Kronk now believes he saw Caylee Anthony’s skull sticking out of a bag the first day he reported something suspicious in the woods in August. Kronk mentions seeing something white in his first 911 call, but said a deputy who came to the scene blew him off.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18469488/detail.html

I will never understand why, when the world knew of this missing child and the lies that came from Casey's mouth, would a deputy blow him off. Even if there was a snake, could the deputy have not shot it?

[CelticDawn]

Does anyone know the exact count of Casey sightings that were called in?

I've never listened to the tips that were called in. 5000+

That was the Anthony machine at work there. They bombarded LE that's ALOT of calls. Between having to check that out and hearing the Anthony's on TV all the story's changing it kept producting more work for them and it was a constant follow up on follow up due to them.

I wonder how many people were affected that routine police work was put on hold thru out this district, how many other families were affected that we don't even know about.

The entitlement goes thru out this whole family.

Amazing how a few people can affect so many.

what is so sad is that "sightings' that weren't some kind of hoax were GENUINELY CONCERNED people...they are victims of these people too....

[trt]

Good Morning guys, I was thinking about this last night after going over the time line that someone posted. What "IF" it really was an accident, we haven't heard why LE believes it was on purpose, unless they are going by the use of the tape.

But I was thinking about the pool steps being down, what if Casey and Caylee came back after George left for work, Casey either feel asleep, got on the computer or phone, and Caylee wandered to the pool and drowned. No way do I believe it was Caylee that put the pool steps down, maybe Casey did when she went in to get her. Then you have the flurry of calls, no one answers, Casey hides Caylee in the toy chest for the night, comes back the next day and gets the body. What if the duct tape was put on after death, to make it look like the kidnapper did it..

I know we all talked about this scenario before, but the pool steps being down has always bothered me. Cindy called George and asked if he left them down, why didn't she call Casey and ask her?. If they were so child conscious, why wasn't there a lock on the gate? Maybe I'm back to grasping and just really want to believe it was an accident.

Has there been any independent confirmation of this story? I know that Cindy said it (considering the source), but I think that it may have been one of those *conflicting statements* that we are hearing about as a way to explain what may have happened if Caylee turned up dead. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. Who's doubting the "bombshell" from The Amazing Grace last night???? :mad:

Straight out to the transcripts now -

Straight out to Natisha Lance, our producer, on the story from the very beginning. Natisha, what can you tell me about possible immunity, criminal immunity, for tot mom brother Lee Anthony?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, that is the big question tonight, Nancy, is will Lee Anthony get immunity? Apparently, his attorney, Thomas Luca, is worried that Lee could possibly face obstruction charges or aiding and abetting charges. Now, what he`s trying to do is seek a subpoena for Lee Anthony. If he`s given the subpoena, he would then get immunity. Now, the caveat is...

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait, wait! If he`s given a subpoena, he automatically gets immunity?

LANCE: That`s right. Under Florida law, he would be given immunity. Now the caveat to that is, Nancy, if he`s given this immunity, he has to take stand in the murder trial. He cannot plead the 5th. He has to get up there, tell his story, tell exactly what he knows. If Casey did give him inside information, he has to spill it all on the stand during that murder trial.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/14/ng.01.html

This seems to be a new bombshell to me, in other words it is closer to actually happening. Later on in the discussion, it was explained to The Amazing Grace's satisfaction, that they are actually talking about "use" immunity and not full, so she was pacified with that........lol.

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone know the exact count of Casey sightings that were called in?

I've never listened to the tips that were called in. 5000+

That was the Anthony machine at work there. They bombarded LE that's ALOT of calls. Between having to check that out and hearing the Anthony's on TV all the story's changing it kept producting more work for them and it was a constant follow up on follow up due to them.

I wonder how many people were affected that routine police work was put on hold thru out this district, how many other families were affected that we don't even know about.

The entitlement goes thru out this whole family.

Amazing how a few people can affect so many.

Good Morning Neffy, at one time LE said that tips of a sighting had come in from every state.

[msgatorslayer]

Does anyone know the exact count of Casey sightings that were called in?

I've never listened to the tips that were called in. 5000+

That was the Anthony machine at work there. They bombarded LE that's ALOT of calls. Between having to check that out and hearing the Anthony's on TV all the story's changing it kept producting more work for them and it was a constant follow up on follow up due to them.

I wonder how many people were affected that routine police work was put on hold thru out this district, how many other families were affected that we don't even know about.

The entitlement goes thru out this whole family.

Amazing how a few people can affect so many.

G'morning everyone!

I skimmed through the tips that were released. What stood out, was the majority were from psychics. And, [faint] they seen Caylee near water or a tree.

[CelticDawn]

good morning Willow and everyone....could it have been a....dare I say it...another anthony lie?

what bugs me is Lenny....He seems genuinely concerned for justice for Caylee...even on top of his wanting the fame....but he does and says things that could potentially help the defense....

[CelticDawn]

G'morning everyone!

I skimmed through the tips that were released. What stood out, was the majority were from psychics. And, [faint] they seen Caylee near water or a tree.

:lol: near water and a tree....
that could be anywhere in florida....or the coastal south for that matter...

[Lavenia]

G'morning everyone!

I skimmed through the tips that were released. What stood out, was the majority were from psychics. And, [faint] they seen Caylee near water or a tree.

With a sky above and the ground below. :laugh:

[cassidy]

I have gone over that in my mind a million times, the only thing I can think of is Casey was terrified of being a failure in Cindy's eyes, Maybe Cindy at one time told Casey that if she didn't watch Caylee around the pool better she would drown, Maybe Caylee had a near drowning once.

I still want to know what Lee meant when he asked "is this like last time". Maybe that would explain Cindy's calmness when she says she knows Casey didn't hurt Caylee.

OTOH, I can't explain the lies to LE about her working. I can't explain the partying, or her total disconnect from Caylee.
Incur the wrath of Cindy or spend the rest of her life in jail? Casey is a party person, jail doesn't suit her well. I think if it had been an accident, she would have come clean and so would Cindy. Too many lies, too many cover-ups.
I'd really like to know what Lee meant too. My theory on that is that Casey had locked Caylee in the car before and one time she did lock the keys in there with her. Which also explains the "extra key" Casey always had in her pocket. But that's just my take on it.

JMO

[bchand]

Is there a hearing this morning?

Hi kitty - that hearing for today was scheduled a long time ago. The prosecutor mentioned the last time they were in court that she could not be there and the judge said it would be rescheduled.

I haven't found anything about WHEN it will be held yet. The 1/15 date is still at myorangeclerk.

[TisMeAgain]

Good morning everyone. Who's doubting the "bombshell" from The Amazing Grace last night???? :mad:

Straight out to the transcripts now -

Straight out to Natisha Lance, our producer, on the story from the very beginning. Natisha, what can you tell me about possible immunity, criminal immunity, for tot mom brother Lee Anthony?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, that is the big question tonight, Nancy, is will Lee Anthony get immunity? Apparently, his attorney, Thomas Luca, is worried that Lee could possibly face obstruction charges or aiding and abetting charges. Now, what he`s trying to do is seek a subpoena for Lee Anthony. If he`s given the subpoena, he would then get immunity. Now, the caveat is...

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait, wait! If he`s given a subpoena, he automatically gets immunity?

LANCE: That`s right. Under Florida law, he would be given immunity. Now the caveat to that is, Nancy, if he`s given this immunity, he has to take stand in the murder trial. He cannot plead the 5th. He has to get up there, tell his story, tell exactly what he knows. If Casey did give him inside information, he has to spill it all on the stand during that murder trial.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/14/ng.01.html

This seems to be a new bombshell to me, in other words it is closer to actually happening. Later on in the discussion, it was explained to The Amazing Grace's satisfaction, that they are actually talking about "use" immunity and not full, so she was pacified with that........lol.

Morning Regina! I sure hope it happens soon! IMO, I believe Casey did tell Lee where Caylee was and that is why the PI was at the scene tearing apart any bags he could find.

[*MoonRider*]

Does anyone know the exact count of Casey sightings that were called in?

I've never listened to the tips that were called in. 5000+

That was the Anthony machine at work there. They bombarded LE that's ALOT of calls. Between having to check that out and hearing the Anthony's on TV all the story's changing it kept producting more work for them and it was a constant follow up on follow up due to them.

I wonder how many people were affected that routine police work was put on hold thru out this district, how many other families were affected that we don't even know about.

The entitlement goes thru out this whole family.


Amazing how a few people can affect so many.

I got tired of trying to find the tip from the MR maybe someone else would have the patience. :read: Here's the link to the tips http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html

[CelticDawn]

Good morning everyone. Who's doubting the "bombshell" from The Amazing Grace last night???? :mad:

Straight out to the transcripts now -

Straight out to Natisha Lance, our producer, on the story from the very beginning. Natisha, what can you tell me about possible immunity, criminal immunity, for tot mom brother Lee Anthony?

NATISHA LANCE, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER: Well, that is the big question tonight, Nancy, is will Lee Anthony get immunity? Apparently, his attorney, Thomas Luca, is worried that Lee could possibly face obstruction charges or aiding and abetting charges. Now, what he`s trying to do is seek a subpoena for Lee Anthony. If he`s given the subpoena, he would then get immunity. Now, the caveat is...

GRACE: Whoa, whoa, whoa! Wait, wait! If he`s given a subpoena, he automatically gets immunity?

LANCE: That`s right. Under Florida law, he would be given immunity. Now the caveat to that is, Nancy, if he`s given this immunity, he has to take stand in the murder trial. He cannot plead the 5th. He has to get up there, tell his story, tell exactly what he knows. If Casey did give him inside information, he has to spill it all on the stand during that murder trial.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/14/ng.01.html

This seems to be a new bombshell to me, in other words it is closer to actually happening. Later on in the discussion, it was explained to The Amazing Grace's satisfaction, that they are actually talking about "use" immunity and not full, so she was pacified with that........lol.


Use Immunity is good thing...That means that he has to cop to any direct questions...but if they have any other evidence against him for other acts...they can still have a go at him for that.

[JHP]

what bugs me is Lenny....He seems genuinely concerned for justice for Caylee...even on top of his wanting the fame....but he does and says things that could potentially help the defense....

I think he is working with the defense. He showed up at the area where Caylee was found with the whole defense caravan. I remember thinking what in the world is going on? Why is he there?

[Neffy]

So, maybe it went this way....

Casey may have given Lee enough hints as to where Caylee's remains were but not enough so he was put in touch with Kid Finders psychic who came up with some suggested search areas. Since the family could not go to the location, they hired a PI to help with the search. If he had found the remains and then told the Anthony family, there would have been nothing for the Meter Reader to find that day. Just a theory ONLY.

The PI may be the cover up. Look I have a tape and I found nothing. That recording was staged and the only reason to stage something is to cover something.

My gut feeling a posted a few times I believe the Conway and Baez are thick as thieves. They are both working in conjunction with each other behind the scenes.

I find it odd that PI D Casey worked for Baez then coincidentally was employed by the Anthony's. They are both working towards the same goal and that's to spring Casey. Perhaps some kind of legal technicallity that D. Casey went from one to the other is my thought. In the end, they're all working together.

As far as the special master goes to reside over the deposition what could D Casey say? As I said they're working towards the same goal both the Anthony's and Baez. I don't believe a falling out occured between Baez and D Casey at all.

[Regina.Lampert]

I tried to believe that it was an accident too. My stumbling block on that is why didn't Casey come clean the night of the 911 calls? Why is she sitting in jail not talking? An accident would have been easier to prove 6 months ago than it is now, it would seem to me.

JMO



Hiya Cassidy, imo casey anthony could not cough up the accident/panic fairytale because she would have had to say where she put the remains and then the duct tape across the mouth would have been discovered. No accident, not with that tape.

[Barbara fl.]

In my opinion, the defense needs to cast doubt on everyone and everything to keep our eyes off Casey.
LP just seems to have a bad case of the jealousys.


That is my theory....As for Lenny Padilla, yes he is so very jealous that he wasn't the one to find Caylee's remains...Like he said when he first came here "he was going to find her in one week"....yah right.....


This whole story could not possibly fit into a movie.....they better start working on a series....

[ellegna]

Thats the first thing I thought when she crawled out from under her rock . KF must have known her.:biggrin:

Not just that but she's also a former PI. Could she have met Dom Casey at one time while investigating a case?

[kitty1182]

Hi kitty - that hearing for today was scheduled a long time ago. The prosecutor mentioned the last time they were in court that she could not be there and the judge said it would be rescheduled.

I haven't found anything about WHEN it will be held yet. The 1/15 date is still at myorangeclerk.



Thanks..:smile:

[TisMeAgain]

Use Immunity is good thing...That means that he has to cop to any direct questions...but if they have any other evidence against him for other acts...they can still have a go at him for that.

Thank you so much for explaining that to us! That is a great news!:thumbsup:

[cassidy]

Hiya Cassidy, imo casey anthony could not cough up the accident/panic fairytale because she would have had to say where she put the remains and then the duct tape across the mouth would have been discovered. No accident, not with that tape.

Agreed. I ruled out an accident a long time ago.

[msgatorslayer]

I will never understand why, when the world knew of this missing child and the lies that came from Casey's mouth, would a deputy blow him off. Even if there was a snake, could the deputy have not shot it?

I share your thoughts, Willow.

I had posters who disagreed with me when this was brought up in the past. That a cotton mouth moc is dangerous, and fast, etc. That the officer had to worry about his own safety.

A cop who encounters a gator will call Florida Fish and Wildlife. Even the Marine Patrol, who I know for fact, are trained to wrestle gators, will call them in. Why couldn't they be called in to handle a snake?

I still think it is a lame excuse. JMO

[desmom]

Good Morning guys, I was thinking about this last night after going over the time line that someone posted. What "IF" it really was an accident, we haven't heard why LE believes it was on purpose, unless they are going by the use of the tape.

But I was thinking about the pool steps being down, what if Casey and Caylee came back after George left for work, Casey either feel asleep, got on the computer or phone, and Caylee wandered to the pool and drowned. No way do I believe it was Caylee that put the pool steps down, maybe Casey did when she went in to get her. Then you have the flurry of calls, no one answers, Casey hides Caylee in the toy chest for the night, comes back the next day and gets the body. What if the duct tape was put on after death, to make it look like the kidnapper did it..

I know we all talked about this scenario before, but the pool steps being down has always bothered me. Cindy called George and asked if he left them down, why didn't she call Casey and ask her?. If they were so child conscious, why wasn't there a lock on the gate? Maybe I'm back to grasping and just really want to believe it was an accident.

For a quite a while I considered Caylee may have drowned, but I could not get Casey's behavior over the next 31 days to fit. How could she rent movies that night, go to the club, party with friends? All the friends' interviews said Casey seemed very normal during that time.

Then the inconsistencies in George and Cindy's statements made me question if the ladder story is even true. IIRC, George said they were discussing possible scenarios when they "remembered the ladder being down one day in June".

jmo

[Neffy]

G'morning everyone!

I skimmed through the tips that were released. What stood out, was the majority were from psychics. And, [faint] they seen Caylee near water or a tree.

:laugh:

Did you watch Nancy last night and see Mark Klaas recite the same thing.

They should pass another law for to make it illegal for these crack pots to call tips into LE.

[Roux]

Anyone charged with obstruction and abetting can be charged for up to 4 years IIRC, I will try to find out. It is too early to revisit florida statutes.

Have You all seen this article?
Deputy in Caylee Anthony case cleared in earlier complaints

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/thursday/localandstate/orl-casey1509jan15,0,324016.story

Another one escapes the bus tires?

I just logged on and read one of the links Cury posted. It's startling to me that the OCSO rep said Cain WILL be questioned. Why the heck didn't they do that asap after Beary said at the news conference that Internal Affairs would investigate. Makes them look bad, IMO.

[AMS]

EquuSearch Leader Hires Anthonys' Ex-Attorney
Thursday, January 15, 2009 – updated: 9:15 am EST January 15, 2009


http://www.wftv.com/news/18486074/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Two former players in the case against Casey Anthony have joined forces against Casey's defense team.

Tim Miller from EquuSearch, a group that performed several searches for Caylee Anthony, has now hired attorney Mark Nejame. Nejame had previously represented George and Cindy Anthony.

Miller wants to prevent the defense from getting all the records relating to the tips that EquuSearch received as they search for Caylee, who was found dead in December. Her mother, Casey, has been charged with the child's murder.

[Texas48]

A source close to the investigation said Wednesday that Roy Kronk now believes he saw Caylee Anthony’s skull sticking out of a bag the first day he reported something suspicious in the woods in August. Kronk mentions seeing something white in his first 911 call, but said a deputy who came to the scene blew him off.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18469488/detail.html
Good morning ALL...I am as confused now as from the start of this horrific case. Nothing gets any clearer...only worse. Can anyone tell me if they did not hear on the reports that the MR stated the area...where Caylee's body was eventually found....was UNDER WATER. I have heard this several times now and can not understand how the MR or the Officer would have been able to have seen a BAG. Also Tim Miller stated they were going to search that area but was too much water.

[ellegna]

Agreed. I ruled out an accident a long time ago.

I ruled out accident the minute I heard Caylee was not reported missing for 31 days :angry:

[ishkabibble]

In my opinion, the defense needs to cast doubt on everyone and everything to keep our eyes off Casey.
LP just seems to have a bad case of the jealousys.

right, like the detective said the other night on Nancy Grace, the Prosecution has to keep the focus the fact that no one has seen Caylee since she left with Casey (per her own fathers testimony)on June 16. When Casey was tracked down by her mom, Caylee was no where to be found. Casey says she had not seen her for 31 days.Her car smells like a dead body per her Mother and father. All the rest of this is smoke and mirrors. Casey has lied about everything!!!

[msgatorslayer]

:laugh:

Did you watch Nancy last night and see Mark Klaas recite the same thing.

They should pass another law for to make it illegal for these crack pots to call tips into LE.

I didn't see NG lastnight but I agree.

Reading through those tips that were released, I felt a sinking feeling of sadness for those who, day after day, answered the phone to hear these 'tips'.

When LE asks the public for 'tips' they are wanting people who may have actually seen Caylee somewhere. Not in a vision or a dream.

It is a waste of their time. Mr. G had some kind of dream about Caylee. No way in he!! would I call that in.

[msgatorslayer]

I ruled out accident the minute I heard Caylee was not reported missing for 31 days :angry:

Ellegna, alot of the media reports about this case irk me. Many say that CASEY waited 31 days to report Caylee missing. Instead of saying, she never did. Cindy did!!!

[desmom]

Good morning-

Last night on NG- in the caption, not discussion, concerning Lee and if he is called to testify- it stated "use immunity", would not be able to excercise 5th amendment rights,

Am I understanding this correctly that in short he would be forced to answer questions but not be held liable for the statments? Can someone define this for me so that I can understand what they are saying. I didn't know that there are different levels of immunity.

From NG's transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/14/ng.01.html

Hugo Rodriguez, Defense Attorney: Anything he says to them, they cannot use against him in a criminal prosecution. If they could otherwise prove any other crime without use of his own words, they could still prosecute him.

[Texas48]

I will never understand why, when the world knew of this missing child and the lies that came from Casey's mouth, would a deputy blow him off. Even if there was a snake, could the deputy have not shot it?
You are so correct Willow w/all of your post. One does not know who to believe in this case but LP keeps stating the MR was showing the Officer the wrong location. Being retired LE ... I cannot understand any officer seeing a trash bag (if he did) and not checking it out. I also remember the MR keeps saying the area was underwater and the officer did not want to wade out into the water...Nothing is making any sense in this MR story. jmo

[summer4meplz]

Use Immunity is good thing...That means that he has to cop to any direct questions...but if they have any other evidence against him for other acts...they can still have a go at him for that.


thanks for the explanation Celtic.....nancy didn't explain it like that...

[n/t]

Good morning everyone. Who's doubting the "bombshell" from The Amazing Grace last night???? :mad:



<snipped for space>

LOL I wasn't doubting it BUT, if you watched HLN yesterday at 5:00 PM Eastern they had a reporter on who said she had spoken to a police source who told her that LEE Anthony would not face charges.

So, who do we believe? It's the battle of the media/reporters.


Too bad HLN doesn't have transcripts of their show (Mike Galanos). I looked for them this morning with no luck. Maybe someone else knows how to.

[3girls]

'I still want to know what Lee meant when he asked "is this like last time".
Do you think that maybe this has to do with Casey's first pregnancy:unsure:

[Dunlurken]

Morning Regina! I sure hope it happens soon! IMO, I believe Casey did tell Lee where Caylee was and that is why the PI was at the scene tearing apart any bags he could find.

Morning all! I agree with you. I think Lee could have been the one on the phone with DC.

Boy they sure tore that psychic apart last night on Nancy's show. JMO.

[velvetbrown]

The abandoned house where the PI was digging gave me the creeps...where is the house, does anybody know if is close to the 'dump' site?

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe Casey feels so badly for allowing Caylee to drown she would rather be in prison her whole life?

I waiver between accident and homocide, I do think this was an accident. She left the body in a place it could have been discovered at anytime, which to me shows this was not a strangling death, or drugs, she took a chance that it could be found before Cindy ever called the cops.

She says her mother will never forgive her, well, Cindy will if its an accident, I bet she thought Cindy would never forgive her for getting pregnant in the first place.

If she was found with her suit, I say it was accidental, I know duct tape does not reattach itself to a skull.

Good Morning EVERYONE!!
JMO

Thats kind of how I feel, but then I go back to the jail visits, and I get mad at Casey all over again. Then I think back on all the photos of Casey and Caylee together and I flip again. I think in my heart I want it to be an accident, and maybe that's what Baez means when he says we will all understand the "whys" when this comes to trial.

Then my brain kicks in and wonders what mother, who's child just died accidentally, could party and go on the way she did without telling someone. Then I think of the searches, what if those searches weren't made in regards to Caylee?

[Neffy]

I just logged on and read one of the links Cury posted. It's startling to me that the OCSO rep said Cain WILL be questioned. Why the heck didn't they do that asap after Beary said at the news conference that Internal Affairs would investigate. Makes them look bad, IMO.

The news is probably just making headlines now. This is probably ongoing.

LE officers constantly get complaints as the people they're dealing with are some of the most upstanding citizens around *cough*.

I can't imagine putting on the How can I be of assistance Sir, Maam everytime they go out. Maybe he was or wasn't rude.

The only part I don't trust or I should say like about Kronk is I think he's more like us and he was actively looking into this. He doesn't want to cop to it and I think because of this his story will be changing as a little of the truth will come out more and more. That's going to look bad and the defense will grab everything they can get there hands on to the point of saying you said I and now you say me. Your words have changed. LOL

I hope he enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame and can settle back in. I couldn't imagine being in his shoes and actually being the one to have found Caylee. Somewhere between fear and heroic I'd imagine.

[Roux]

G'morning everyone!

I skimmed through the tips that were released. What stood out, was the majority were from psychics. And, [faint] they seen Caylee near water or a tree.

Did you catch Mark Klaas last night on NG? He described general topography of CA and AZ as examples of what psychics say. I thought the same thing about Ginnette's description of garbage bags.

[summer4meplz]

I think he is working with the defense. He showed up at the area where Caylee was found with the whole defense caravan. I remember thinking what in the world is going on? Why is he there?

You think Lenny is working for the defense? I can't see that...but I can't see him "working" for LE either....they seemed really mad at him for that Blanchard Park ordeal....maybe, as someone suggested upthread...he is just working for Caylee.....

[ishkabibble]

Good morning-

Last night on NG- in the caption, not discussion, concerning Lee and if he is called to testify- it stated "use immunity", would not be able to excercise 5th amendment rights,

Am I understanding this correctly that in short he would be forced to answer questions but not be held liable for the statments? Can someone define this for me so that I can understand what they are saying. I didn't know that there are different levels of immunity.

He has to answer the questions but they cannot use what HE SAYS against him. If they can find some other way to get evidence against him for the things he told them they can use the evidence they find to charge him, not his statements

[msgatorslayer]

Maybe Casey feels so badly for allowing Caylee to drown she would rather be in prison her whole life?

I waiver between accident and homocide, I do think this was an accident. She left the body in a place it could have been discovered at anytime, which to me shows this was not a strangling death, or drugs, she took a chance that it could be found before Cindy ever called the cops.

She says her mother will never forgive her, well, Cindy will if its an accident, I bet she thought Cindy would never forgive her for getting pregnant in the first place.

If she was found with her suit, I say it was accidental, I know duct tape does not reattach itself to a skull.

Good Morning EVERYONE!!



JMO

IMO, she said her Mom would never forgive her and that she was petrified of her Mom because she was giving LE an excuse as to why she never reported Caylee missing. She had to come up with something.

We've heard her talk to Cindy. She's not afraid of her.

[ellegna]

Ellegna, alot of the media reports about this case irk me. Many say that CASEY waited 31 days to report Caylee missing. Instead of saying, she never did. Cindy did!!!

That's what makes it more infuriating that it was Cindy NOT Casey.

[Dunlurken]

From NG's transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/14/ng.01.html

Hugo Rodriguez, Defense Attorney: Anything he says to them, they cannot use against him in a criminal prosecution. If they could otherwise prove any other crime without use of his own words, they could still prosecute him.

I think that is what is going to happen. I think Lee will be charged in some way. JMO. Obstruction, aiding or abetting, something. I was thinking last night about how many lives Casey destroyed, but first and foremost, Caylee comes to mind. JMO.

[jakee]

Morning all! I agree with you. I think Lee could have been the one on the phone with DC.

Boy they sure tore that psychic apart last night on Nancy's show. JMO.

Good morning,

I did not watch NG last night. Is the psychic not able to prove her telephone records? Or are we still waiting?

[trt]

Maybe Casey feels so badly for allowing Caylee to drown she would rather be in prison her whole life?

Good Morning EVERYONE!!
JMO

snipped...Good Morning! Casey...feel badly? Thanks for the morning laugh to go with my morning joe!!:lol:

[Daffodil]

I will never understand why, when the world knew of this missing child and the lies that came from Casey's mouth, would a deputy blow him off. Even if there was a snake, could the deputy have not shot it?

I bet he was blow off by the officer. Let's hope all LE learns something from this.

[WillowInFlight]

For a quite a while I considered Caylee may have drowned, but I could not get Casey's behavior over the next 31 days to fit. How could she rent movies that night, go to the club, party with friends? All the friends' interviews said Casey seemed very normal during that time.

Then the inconsistencies in George and Cindy's statements made me question if the ladder story is even true. IIRC, George said they were discussing possible scenarios when they "remembered the ladder being down one day in June".

jmo

I guess the truth is at this point it doesn't matter if it was an accident or not, Caylee is gone, Casey will pay because of her actions after the fact, I don't think a jury will buy an accident, they will be like us, if that was the case why didn't she report it.. If it was an accident, and Casey panicked she will pay dearly. As well she should I guess.

[Regina.Lampert]

Maybe Casey feels so badly for allowing Caylee to drown she would rather be in prison her whole life?

(snipped)

Good Morning EVERYONE!!
JMO

Oh yes, I'm sure you're right. How does going on to do her "grieving" at the hot bod contest fit in tho?

[dixielover]

How is it the MR was showing LE the wrong area , Kronk had that exact spot on his radar from day one , just listen to his own conflicting statements. MR came back and kept coming back ,he even admits to it , and his final come back allows him to go right up to the bag he kept seeing through the thick woods ,from the side of the road ,where it was snake infested , yet the snakes didn't scae him on that day , and walk right up and touch the bag ...........he has made it known he touched the bag ,I guess if I touched bag I'd say so up front too ,because my prints may be on it ya know .

If there was another MR with him why did he not ask for help or at least show him the bag- have ya'll heard if the other MR on the first visit was told anything.- I would be shouting and asking other people to observe what I saw. jmo

[summer4meplz]

'I still want to know what Lee meant when he asked "is this like last time".
Do you think that maybe this has to do with Casey's first pregnancy:unsure:


"first" pregnancy? care to elaborate lol...tia

[msgatorslayer]

Oh yes, I'm sure you're right. How does going on to do her "grieving" at the hot bod contest fit in tho?

She had to stay strong for everyone else, ya know. For others to know Caylee was missing, well, they'd worry over nothing.

She did everyone a favor by carrying the weight on her shoulders. :sneaky:

[Roux]

The abandoned house where the PI was digging gave me the creeps...where is the house, does anybody know if is close to the 'dump' site?

I'm still catching up but if no one has answered yet, there was a link on page 1 of yesterday's AM thread that showed the house. Also a photo of it on one of the TV stations site but I don't remember which one.

[BJames]

I am wondering about the term 'paver stones', I have heard it used many times regarding where Caylee was found.
Would these be anything like the Anthony family had in their backyard? Or are these the bigger ones generally used by the city/county for paving roads?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows....:smile:

[gaelicpeas]

Good morning ALL...I am as confused now as from the start of this horrific case. Nothing gets any clearer...only worse. Can anyone tell me if they did not hear on the reports that the MR stated the area...where Caylee's body was eventually found....was UNDER WATER. I have heard this several times now and can not understand how the MR or the Officer would have been able to have seen a BAG. Also Tim Miller stated they were going to search that area but was too much water.

It is possible that the bag was partially floating - I would imagine there were decomp gases in it. JMO

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning ALL...I am as confused now as from the start of this horrific case. Nothing gets any clearer...only worse. Can anyone tell me if they did not hear on the reports that the MR stated the area...where Caylee's body was eventually found....was UNDER WATER. I have heard this several times now and can not understand how the MR or the Officer would have been able to have seen a BAG. Also Tim Miller stated they were going to search that area but was too much water.

If it were underwater on Aug. 13 Tropical Storm Fay came on Aug. 19th. From the 19th until the end of August Orlando got 10.83 inches of rain according to weather underground.

[ishkabibble]

I bet he was blow off by the officer. Let's hope all LE learns something from this.

i'm wondering if there were other bags there that contained trash, the deputy check those but not the specific bag Kronk pointed out due to it being in the water. the deputy then tells Kronk it's just more trash like these other bags, writes up his report and leaves. Kronk is bugged by his attitude and decides if they don't care why should I. over time he still has these nagging thoughts and when he gets back there and the water is gone, he sees the bag still there and checks it out .Voila!!

[Dunlurken]

Good morning,

I did not watch NG last night. Is the psychic not able to prove her telephone records? Or are we still waiting?

I think LE will subpoena the records, or maybe not. I can't remember her name, but it appears as though the psychic milked another family to the tune of $5,000 until the money ran out. This was like in 2002. I need to go look at Nancy's transcript. BRB. Why does this woman's cell phone bill go to her Dad's work? That struck me as odd too. She said that's why she wasn't able to get the cell phone records for that reason. JMO.

[summer4meplz]

Morning all! I agree with you. I think Lee could have been the one on the phone with DC.

Boy they sure tore that psychic apart last night on Nancy's show. JMO.


yes they did.....and the alleged woman that lost $5000 to her 20 years ago.....it's a bit disappointing that ng will report unsubstantiated stories like that.....not saying it didn't happen....but I think it should have been investigated a little further.....she doesn't look like she's been doing this 20 plus years....but it might be an old picture..

and I agree about it was probably Lee on the phone.....

[n/t]

Good morning,

I did not watch NG last night. Is the psychic not able to prove her telephone records? Or are we still waiting?

Still waiting. She wanted Nancy to help her. Nancy's reply was priceless (this was on Tuesday night) :biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

I bet he was blow off by the officer. Let's hope all LE learns something from this.

Well if he was blown off because of a snake, this guy is in the wrong occupation.

[Regina.Lampert]

<snipped for space>

LOL I wasn't doubting it BUT, if you watched HLN yesterday at 5:00 PM Eastern they had a reporter on who said she had spoken to a police source who told her that LEE Anthony would not face charges.

So, who do we believe? It's the battle of the media/reporters.


Too bad HLN doesn't have transcripts of their show (Mike Galanos). I looked for them this morning with no luck. Maybe someone else knows how to.

I know, just kidding. If lee did ANYTHING at the behest of casey anthony, that looks bad for her. I think the immunity has to do with his attempting to erase things from her computer.

[Roux]

I bet he was blow off by the officer. Let's hope all LE learns something from this.

Now I'm going to criticize Richard Cain like all the skeptics criticized Mr. Kronk. I think it's interesting that one of the complaints about Cain was his failure to investigate/follow through. Indicates a mindset or pattern of behavior to me.

[MGM111]

I am really puzzled at the most recent events........

(snipped...)

Therefore, it is obvious that both the stories that this PI has told has been proven (in my opinion) to be lies.....Which now causes me to firmly believe that the PI, WAS IN FACT talking to one of the Anthony's when he went to that area......AND, if that be the case...then there is NO doubt in my mind, had the body been found then, it would have been moved and hid.....




Good Morning,

What puzzles me is....if the PI was guided to the crime scene by someone, and this "someone" was credible. Why did he only look in this area on two occasions?
I for one am truely thankful he didnt find Caylee - who knows what he would have done if he had, but why didnt he stay there until the body was found??.
His actions seem to be that he was there due to a tip and not because he was lead there by someone in the A family, most importantly not by casey??....jmo

[bchand]

EquuSearch Leader Hires Anthonys' Ex-Attorney
Thursday, January 15, 2009 – updated: 9:15 am EST January 15, 2009


http://www.wftv.com/news/18486074/detail.html

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Two former players in the case against Casey Anthony have joined forces against Casey's defense team.

Tim Miller from EquuSearch, a group that performed several searches for Caylee Anthony, has now hired attorney Mark Nejame. Nejame had previously represented George and Cindy Anthony.

Miller wants to prevent the defense from getting all the records relating to the tips that EquuSearch received as they search for Caylee, who was found dead in December. Her mother, Casey, has been charged with the child's murder.

I don't understand why that's dated today by wftv. AFAIK TES hired him months ago.

[msgatorslayer]

If it were underwater on Aug. 13 Tropical Storm Fay came on Aug. 19th. From the 19th until the end of August Orlando got 10.83 inches of rain according to weather underground.

I theorize that normal summer time thundershowers, which can dump a butt load of rain in a few hours, could have caused that area to be water logged prior to Fay.

I guess we'll have to wait for rainy reason and have someone here scope it out.:biggrin:

[WillowInFlight]

I know, it is ridiculous, just wondering if its possible she had a bad reaction to finding her daughters body.
jmo

Which could explain her disconnect. Lord who knows, deep down she is probably the evil, vile person we think she is, we are just in wishful thinking mode. After all she did steal from this child's piggy bank, she stole from her great grandparents. Hopefully some day we will know the truth.

[Regina.Lampert]

She had to stay strong for everyone else, ya know. For others to know Caylee was missing, well, they'd worry over nothing.

She did everyone a favor by carrying the weight on her shoulders. :sneaky:

So true. You know, sometimes I just shake my head at the lack of compassion for this "mother of the year." :wink:

[summer4meplz]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to throw this out here, but this is what I believe happened with regards to these videos:

Facts:
DC is obviously searching for the body, very very close to where Caylee was ultimately discovered, and paying special attention to black garbage bags. He is also taped searching and digging around the abandoned house owned by someone with the surname Gonzales. He is videotaped during these actions by Hoover.

Theory:
DC is being instructed by KC via either baez or lee about where to find Caylee's body. I am positive imo that it will come out that baez or lee was on the other end of that phone (or KC directly via a web based phone hookup (vonage/viatalk/IM-voice/etc) using baez's laptop during a jail visit.

The plan is to find Caylee, and relocate her to the yard of that abandoned house (possibly bury her under those paving stones DC was digging under. Then if she is ever found, the new location gives the defense a nice piece of CE supporting reasonable doubt to the jury. Hoover broke this open by secretly videoing DC and subsequently handing that tape over to LE.


but WHY would domCasey relocate Caylee's body.....that's a very serious crime....

and why were they even videotaping that to begin with?

and why did hoover call Lenny?

and why no audio?

[ishkabibble]

Thank you - they threw me off when one line said "criminal immunity" and the next caption said "use immunity"-

Lomar68, to further clarify, if he receives a supeona he automatically receives the immunity from his statements being used (USE IMMUNITY)against him, but he must testify. I think he is ASKING FOR BLANKET IMMUNITY. That means he can't be prosecuted for anything at all no matter how they obtain the evidence. Basically a free ride for whatever he has done (if he has done anything).

[Regina.Lampert]

snipped...Good Morning! Casey...feel badly? Thanks for the morning laugh to go with my morning joe!!:lol:

Morning T.

[Elle]

'I still want to know what Lee meant when he asked "is this like last time".
Do you think that maybe this has to do with Casey's first pregnancy:unsure:

My thoughts on this are that Casey has witheld Caylee from Cindy in the past, using her as a pawn, and that imo was what Lee was referencing in regards to asking 'is this like last time?'. In a myspace posting by Mayfizzle ( a friend of Lee's) to Lee on either July 17th or 19th, he stated he hopes Casey comes to her senses. While he could have meant anything by that, I lean toward it meaning he hopes Casey stops playing her game and brings Caylee home, apparently not buying the kidnapping bs.
I believe Caylee was being used as leverage for a very long time.

[Dunlurken]

I think that is what is going to happen. I think Lee will be charged in some way. JMO. Obstruction, aiding or abetting, something. I was thinking last night about how many lives Casey destroyed, but first and foremost, Caylee comes to mind. JMO.

From Nancy's show transcript last night:

"KATHI BELICH, WFTV: Well, we got a call after your show last night from a woman in Virginia, who says when her niece was murdered almost 20 years ago, she and her sister, the victim`s mother, went to psychic Ginnette Lucas for some help, paid her about $5,000, and got very useless information in return."

There's more. JMO. I didn't realize it had been 20 years ago.

(Sorry, didn't mean to quote myself. LOL.)

[summer4meplz]

How is it the MR was showing LE the wrong area , Kronk had that exact spot on his radar from day one , just listen to his own conflicting statements. MR came back and kept coming back ,he even admits to it , and his final come back allows him to go right up to the bag he kept seeing through the thick woods ,from the side of the road ,where it was snake infested , yet the snakes didn't scae him on that day , and walk right up and touch the bag ...........he has made it known he touched the bag ,I guess if I touched bag I'd say so up front too ,because my prints may be on it ya know .


what is your theory about kronk?

[gaelicpeas]

Yet Tim Miller says the bag was there the whole time because of the indebtion in the ground where it layed ,so how does it leave an indention if it was floating ?????? Even if settled after water subsided in DEc , how does a weightless bag leave indention ?
I said "partially floating" - as in the remains in the bag (and possibly something to weight it down even more?) would be at the bottom, but due to decomp gases, which would flow up in the bag, there might be a "bubble" that appears to be floating.

Also, we don't know how deep the water was. It is swampy, so it may not have been deep in all areas - but definitely very soggy ground. JMO

[Daffodil]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to throw this out here, but this is what I believe happened with regards to these videos:

Facts:
DC is obviously searching for the body, very very close to where Caylee was ultimately discovered, and paying special attention to black garbage bags. He is also taped searching and digging around the abandoned house owned by someone with the surname Gonzales. He is videotaped during these actions by Hoover.

Theory:
DC is being instructed by KC via either baez or lee about where to find Caylee's body. I am positive imo that it will come out that baez or lee was on the other end of that phone (or KC directly via a web based phone hookup (vonage/viatalk/IM-voice/etc) using baez's laptop during a jail visit.

The plan is to find Caylee, and relocate her to the yard of that abandoned house (possibly bury her under those paving stones DC was digging under. Then if she is ever found, the new location gives the defense a nice piece of CE supporting reasonable doubt to the jury. Hoover broke this open by secretly videoing DC and subsequently handing that tape over to LE.

Good theory. Good thinking.

[summer4meplz]

I am wondering about the term 'paver stones', I have heard it used many times regarding where Caylee was found.
Would these be anything like the Anthony family had in their backyard? Or are these the bigger ones generally used by the city/county for paving roads?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows....:smile:

I think the pavers might be exactly like the ones the anthony family had in their backyard...

[Neffy]

She had to stay strong for everyone else, ya know. For others to know Caylee was missing, well, they'd worry over nothing.

She did everyone a favor by carrying the weight on her shoulders. :sneaky:

Well she does miss that "little girl" just like everyone else.

[ishkabibble]

Yet Tim Miller says the bag was there the whole time because of the indebtion in the ground where it layed ,so how does it leave an indention if it was floating ?????? Even if settled after water subsided in DEc , how does a weightless bag leave indention ?

the top part of the bag was above water and moving while the lower part that held the remains was in the mud/muck? Think of a bag filled with sand or cat litter, the heavier part sinks down but as the water recedes the part that is unfilled or bouyed by air or gases could rise above or at least be seen on the surface. I think it would depend on the location of the bag, and the depth of the water.

[3girls]

"first" pregnancy? care to elaborate lol...tia

Remember she had a miscariage. Don't know how far along she was though. Did she bring it on herself ?

[Elle]

I know, just kidding. If lee did ANYTHING at the behest of casey anthony, that looks bad for her. I think the immunity has to do with his attempting to erase things from her computer.

Good morning
I think that immunity has to do with the computer also, and how LE may have, oh whats that word they seem to like, oh yea, 'misconstrued' his actions as obstruction.

[Regina.Lampert]

yes they did.....and the alleged woman that lost $5000 to her 20 years ago.....it's a bit disappointing that ng will report unsubstantiated stories like that.....not saying it didn't happen....but I think it should have been investigated a little further.....she doesn't look like she's been doing this 20 plus years....but it might be an old picture..

and I agree about it was probably Lee on the phone.....


Kathy Belich is the reporter who investigated and found the information about the family who was bilked out of $5,000. NG just got the info from her. I trust Kathy Belich's reporting.

[CC I See]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to throw this out here, but this is what I believe happened with regards to these videos:

Facts:
DC is obviously searching for the body, very very close to where Caylee was ultimately discovered, and paying special attention to black garbage bags. He is also taped searching and digging around the abandoned house owned by someone with the surname Gonzales. He is videotaped during these actions by Hoover.

Theory:
DC is being instructed by KC via either baez or lee about where to find Caylee's body. I am positive imo that it will come out that baez or lee was on the other end of that phone (or KC directly via a web based phone hookup (vonage/viatalk/IM-voice/etc) using baez's laptop during a jail visit.

The plan is to find Caylee, and relocate her to the yard of that abandoned house (possibly bury her under those paving stones DC was digging under. Then if she is ever found, the new location gives the defense a nice piece of CE supporting reasonable doubt to the jury. Hoover broke this open by secretly videoing DC and subsequently handing that tape over to LE.

The only question I have is why would these people risk everything they have to help Casey. If they were ever caught, they would be in serious trouble and face jail time. Why would they do it?... nothing she is or has would be worth it.

[gaelicpeas]

I am wondering about the term 'paver stones', I have heard it used many times regarding where Caylee was found.
Would these be anything like the Anthony family had in their backyard? Or are these the bigger ones generally used by the city/county for paving roads?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows....:smile:Paver stones come in all shapes and sizes (and colors). But yes, the stones in the Anthony backyard would be considered paver stones. JMO.

[kitty1182]

I think the pavers might be exactly like the ones the anthony family had in their backyard...

Maybe that's why Casey borrowed that shovel that day, to take up some pavers from the back yard..

[Neffy]

I think the pavers might be exactly like the ones the anthony family had in their backyard...

I have a hard time believing she dragged those pavers into the trunk and out again along with Caylee's remains. I mean not that they're heavy just an added step and and extra haul.

I remember reading that the place were littered with them. I don't think she'd mark it whatsovever. She knew that place. Grew up there and messed around there enough to remember.

I'll have to stick with them being a red herring as far as the case goes.

The only usefullness is if you were directing someone else there. I dont' think she looked that far in advance to direct someone in case she needed "help" to conceal Caylee more.

[Daffodil]

Now I'm going to criticize Richard Cain like all the skeptics criticized Mr. Kronk. I think it's interesting that one of the complaints about Cain was his failure to investigate/follow through. Indicates a mindset or pattern of behavior to me.

Yes, I agree. They are in every walk of life. Good, mediocre (sp) and bad. I am real curious as to whether or not he feels bad about it now.

[CANDYKISSES]

Maybe the cop is a animal lover, or PETA activist and could not in good conscince kill an animal?

jmo

That must be it and maybe he volunteers part-time to play on OLTL too. :thumbsup:

:blink:

[starling]

I want to see CA, LA, and GA go down with their daughter for everything they put everyone through. The lies, deceit, and manipulation

They are not above the law, they cannot get away with the things they have done and should be punished also.



Cindy's 'Get off your a-- and look for my g/d'...
'She's out there,she's out there.God knows what I'm talkin about'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0jFmPHfFMM


Hmm...Lee with his eyes down the entire until CA says 'God knows what I'm talkin about' then they suddenly dart over at Cindy IMO.


JMO

[CelticDawn]

I just logged on and read one of the links Cury posted. It's startling to me that the OCSO rep said Cain WILL be questioned. Why the heck didn't they do that asap after Beary said at the news conference that Internal Affairs would investigate. Makes them look bad, IMO.

I dont know that they could....depends on the LE Agency how that works....because once a LE officer is under IAB investigation...he/she has to have his peer representative involved....Its not like an attorney....but its for that officers protection....Its complicated and I dont quite understand all the nuances....

[Dunlurken]

I think the pavers might be exactly like the ones the anthony family had in their backyard...
We discussed this alot yesterday. I think the term "pavers" depends on what part of the country you live in. They can be bricks, cement blocks, etc. LP keep uses that term which has confused many of us greatly. LOL.

[gaelicpeas]

Speaking of paver stones, can anyone remember anything Casey said in her jailhouse videos that might reference them?

[desmom]

How is it the MR was showing LE the wrong area , Kronk had that exact spot on his radar from day one , just listen to his own conflicting statements. MR came back and kept coming back ,he even admits to it , and his final come back allows him to go right up to the bag he kept seeing through the thick woods ,from the side of the road ,where it was snake infested , yet the snakes didn't scae him on that day , and walk right up and touch the bag ...........he has made it known he touched the bag ,I guess if I touched bag I'd say so up front too ,because my prints may be on it ya know .


Did he have the exact spot from day one?

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

Report #1: on the way to 8701 Suburban Drive Beat 20 compl saw on the right hand side before Chickasaw Trail heading towards a school....

According to google maps 8701 Suburban Drive is at or near the corner of Chickasaw Trail & Suburban Drive....2 blocks west of where Caylee's body was discovered.

Report #2: lists the location as 9051 Suburban cross street near Hopespring. Text: Caller adv he found a large bag in "the swamp area" behind school......

9051 Suburban is east of the area Caylee's body was found.

Report #3 lists the location Suburban Drive/Hopespring Drive. Cross street: 8749 Suburban/4701 Hopespring Drive. Text: 1/2 mile on Suburban past Hopespring swamp area......

8749 Suburban is west of Hopespring. 4701 Hopespring appears to be near the corner of Hopespring and Suburban. 1/2 mile on Suburban past Hopespring takes you to the brush area at the end of Suburban SE of the school.

Re the snakes: when our local creek floods in the spring, it is not uncommon to see snakes in our yard - a block away. When the creek returns to its banks, so do the snakes. In August the area where Caylee's body was discovered was flooded. In December it was not flooded.

jmo

[Daffodil]

Good Morning,

What puzzles me is....if the PI was guided to the crime scene by someone, and this "someone" was credible. Why did he only look in this area on two occasions?
I for one am truely thankful he didnt find Caylee - who knows what he would have done if he had, but why didnt he stay there until the body was found??.
His actions seem to be that he was there due to a tip and not because he was lead there by someone in the A family, most importantly not by casey??....jmo

But it could have been Casey guilding him (directly or indirectly through Lee or Baez). Maybe after searching two days they figured that Casey was lying to them after all.

[ruth66]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to throw this out here, but this is what I believe happened with regards to these videos:

Facts:
DC is obviously searching for the body, very very close to where Caylee was ultimately discovered, and paying special attention to black garbage bags. He is also taped searching and digging around the abandoned house owned by someone with the surname Gonzales. He is videotaped during these actions by Hoover.

Theory:
DC is being instructed by KC via either baez or lee about where to find Caylee's body. I am positive imo that it will come out that baez or lee was on the other end of that phone (or KC directly via a web based phone hookup (vonage/viatalk/IM-voice/etc) using baez's laptop during a jail visit.

The plan is to find Caylee, and relocate her to the yard of that abandoned house (possibly bury her under those paving stones DC was digging under. Then if she is ever found, the new location gives the defense a nice piece of CE supporting reasonable doubt to the jury. Hoover broke this open by secretly videoing DC and subsequently handing that tape over to LE.


Interesting theory, sounds plausible and the best one I have heard yet. I have said before, there is no good innocent explaination for that whole scenario. JMO

[tvdinners]

"Antisocial personality disorder is highly associated with violence. It is also strongly associated with incarceration."
[ http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294626-overview ]
(see the sections with the headings "Antisocial personality disorder")

imo:

These people do not acknowledge that anything they do could be wrong, even in their own minds.

There is no medication, no psychotherapy, no treatment for this disorder.

Incarceration is pretty much the only means of controlling an out-of-control personality disorder. Some of them actually fare better once incarcerated.

[Roux]

Kathy Belich is the reporter who investigated and found the information about the family who was bilked out of $5,000. NG just got the info from her. I trust Kathy Belich's reporting.

I trust Kathy too and like her reporting better than Holly's. Kathy tries to be factual and exact, as demonstrated the other night when NG was questioning her about the audio on the Hoover/Anthony/Conway tape.

[*MoonRider*]

Cindy's 'Get off your a-- and look for my g/d'...
'She's out there,she's out there.God knows what I'm talkin about'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0jFmPHfFMM


Hmm...Lee with his eyes down the entire until CA says 'God knows what I'm talkin about' then they suddenly dart over at Cindy IMO.


JMO

What class to use profanity at a prayer vigil. :cursing:

[Dunlurken]

Paver stones come in all shapes and sizes (and colors). But yes, the stones in the Anthony backyard would be considered paver stones. JMO.

Are people still trying to suggest the body was weighted down? For what purpose. The ground was dry there until hurricaine Faye came through. IMVHO, the only reason pavers are important is because of their relation to where the body was eventually found.

[jakee]

Thank you to all who responded to my question about the psychic and her telephone records. I don't know how to multi-quote. :blushing:

I think the psychic IMO at this time, is telling a mistruth. But why? I don't understand how people don't know in this day that LE is able to check up on these things, especially a psychic!

[MGM111]

But it could have been Casey guilding him (directly or indirectly through Lee or Baez). Maybe after searching two days they figured that Casey was lying to them after all.

Could very well be the case...wish we knew who he was really talking to!!!!!!!

[Daffodil]

Lomar68, to further clarify, if he receives a supeona he automatically receives the immunity from his statements being used (USE IMMUNITY)against him, but he must testify. I think he is ASKING FOR BLANKET IMMUNITY. That means he can't be prosecuted for anything at all no matter how they obtain the evidence. Basically a free ride for whatever he has done (if he has done anything).

What would happen if he said something like he killed her. Does that mean he gets immunity and Casey is found not guilty?

[Lavenia]

Unless the snake was armed with a weapon ,like a gun or something.........I mean who has the gun here the snake or the cop ?

I think the reason the officer wouldn't shoot the snake is that in many if not most jurisdictions, anytime an officer fires his service weapon, internal affairs investigates and he/she (officer) is placed in an administrative position until the investigation is complete.

[Roux]

I dont know that they could....depends on the LE Agency how that works....because once a LE officer is under IAB investigation...he/she has to have his peer representative involved....Its not like an attorney....but its for that officers protection....Its complicated and I dont quite understand all the nuances....

No doubt many nuances. My knowledge of IA investigations comes from movies & TV. Remember Internal Affairs with Richard Gere and Andy Garcia? Seriously, statment that I read this AM could have been misconstrued by the reporter.

[gaelicpeas]

Are people still trying to suggest the body was weighted down? For what purpose. The ground was dry there until hurricaine Faye came through. IMVHO, the only reason pavers are important is because of their relation to where the body was eventually found.
I don't think we know at this point whether pavers were used or not. We also don't know if the ground was completely dry whenever the bag was dumped. It is a marshy area - so there could have been dry spots and wet spots. We just don't know, IMO.

[desmom]

i'm wondering if there were other bags there that contained trash, the deputy check those but not the specific bag Kronk pointed out due to it being in the water. the deputy then tells Kronk it's just more trash like these other bags, writes up his report and leaves. Kronk is bugged by his attitude and decides if they don't care why should I. over time he still has these nagging thoughts and when he gets back there and the water is gone, he sees the bag still there and checks it out .Voila!!

I agree. 10 characters

[BJames]

Who said the bag was floating? It was partially visible over the water, but that does not mean it was floating. If the bag was 3-4ft in circumference (with all the contents in there), then it would protrude over the water even if the depth was 3 feet. When Tim was there, the water level could have been much higher, thus obscuring the bag completely. Not too difficult for me to see this happening. moo as always.


And (sadly) there would have been some weight to that bag six months ago when it was placed there...the body of an almost 3 year old girl.
Which (sadly again) became much lighter....or do folks believe that Caylee's remains weren't in the bag(s) until they became bones?

Just my opinion of course...

[Dunlurken]

Theory and expectation wise- nothing is going to happen to Lee right this minute, he will be supeonaed to testify and then prosecutors will wait until then to deicide whether criminal and/or lesser charges are justified? Or is it possible that something could happen concerning Lee in the near to immediate future-

I don't think he helped with the disposal, just the cover-up, as well as the other Anthony's. All I know is, boy, I'm glad I'm not in their shoes.

I had a really strange thought last night, per usual. Is it possible, even remotely, that Casey is the one who signed the guest book at Sawgrass as Zenaida Fernanda Gonzalez? Or did this Zenaida admit she was actually at Sawgrass? JMO.

[Mandysmom]

Incur the wrath of Cindy or spend the rest of her life in jail? Casey is a party person, jail doesn't suit her well. I think if it had been an accident, she would have come clean and so would Cindy. Too many lies, too many cover-ups.
I'd really like to know what Lee meant too. My theory on that is that Casey had locked Caylee in the car before and one time she did lock the keys in there with her. Which also explains the "extra key" Casey always had in her pocket. But that's just my take on it.

JMO

I know I've said this before, but y'all remember when Casey was out on bond the first time and Cindy said they talked with the pastor and she was at peace, Casey was at peace?

She said that it was out of their hands or something to that effect, like there was nothing more they could do? I always thought that Cindy knew at that time Caylee was gone but she still stayed on that campaign about Caylee being kidnapped.

This has always stuck in my mind, that there was some kind of understanding, like the time Casey told Lee that "mom can tell you that mothers just know that sort of thing" (paraphrased).

:blink:

[penguinlady]

I theorize that normal summer time thundershowers, which can dump a butt load of rain in a few hours, could have caused that area to be water logged prior to Fay.

I guess we'll have to wait for rainy reason and have someone here scope it out.:biggrin:


As MSGATOR can tell you at that point we did have lots of rain. Florida afternoon thundershowers move fast and dump a lot. The front lot where I work has many times turned into a lake during one of our "showers".

IMO
K

[Regina.Lampert]

I don't fault Kronk or the deputy sheriff for not traipsing thru snake infested kneehigh water to get to that bag, but I do fault Cain for not calling in the appropriate agency to check it out, based on Kronk's instincts.

It was a judgement call for Cain, imo. Hindsight is 20/20 tho and I am interested in seeing his reports from that day.

[ellegna]

I said "partially floating" - as in the remains in the bag (and possibly something to weight it down even more?) would be at the bottom, but due to decomp gases, which would flow up in the bag, there might be a "bubble" that appears to be floating.

Also, we don't know how deep the water was. It is swampy, so it may not have been deep in all areas - but definitely very soggy ground. JMO

I appreciate what you're saying but, wasn't it speculated the bag may have had a tear to allow decomp fluids to leak into Casey's trunk?
Sorry posting that so early in the day :crying:

[desmom]

Good Morning,

What puzzles me is....if the PI was guided to the crime scene by someone, and this "someone" was credible. Why did he only look in this area on two occasions?
I for one am truely thankful he didnt find Caylee - who knows what he would have done if he had, but why didnt he stay there until the body was found??.
His actions seem to be that he was there due to a tip and not because he was lead there by someone in the A family, most importantly not by casey??....jmo

If he had been guided there by someone wouldn't he have a better address to give to the 911 operator? I do not believe he was guided by anyone. jmo

[marshmallow]

From Nancy's show transcript last night:

"KATHI BELICH, WFTV: Well, we got a call after your show last night from a woman in Virginia, who says when her niece was murdered almost 20 years ago, she and her sister, the victim`s mother, went to psychic Ginnette Lucas for some help, paid her about $5,000, and got very useless information in return."

There's more. JMO. I didn't realize it had been 20 years ago.

(Sorry, didn't mean to quote myself. LOL.)




It didn't say they went to her 20 years ago, just that the murder was 20 years ago.
I know I sound defensive of the lady who called in but my mom's friend still has a son MIA from Vietnam and when he would've turned 40 she went to a psychic to see if this woman could tell her he was at rest. Nothing came from it and she only went once but she didn't go until many years after he was MIA.

[Claire]

How is it the MR was showing LE the wrong area , Kronk had that exact spot on his radar from day one , just listen to his own conflicting statements. MR came back and kept coming back ,he even admits to it , and his final come back allows him to go right up to the bag he kept seeing through the thick woods ,from the side of the road ,where it was snake infested , yet the snakes didn't scae him on that day , and walk right up and touch the bag ...........he has made it known he touched the bag ,I guess if I touched bag I'd say so up front too ,because my prints may be on it ya know .

His story is "evolving" every single day it looks like. Isn't it funny how when any of the Anthony's especially Cindy's stories "evolve" we are all over them like flies on horse manure YET as we hear Kronk go from "I was out in the wood relieving myself when I kicked a plastic bag and a skull rolled out" to "I called the police three times back in August and September when I saw a strange bag/something white/something hanging from a tree..." to I called the police FOUR times back in August and September when I saw something white" to last night's version "I was in the truck with 2 other meter readers (look now I have witnesses!) when I had to relieve myself and went into the woods where I TOUCHED a bag (cya incase of fingerprints, dontchaknow)..." we are all willing to overlook these inconsistencies. Hmmmmm.

And once again, as Dr. Henry Lee would say "something not right with meter reader"! :thumbdown:

[*MoonRider*]

That we know of...
Baez: if he can find a way to win this seemingly unwinnable case, he stands to gain ten-fold (goes on to be another geragos getting millions per case, becomes a TH, etc)
DC: If you pay someone enough, and they don't have much moral fiber, anything is possible
The A's: Either their love knows no limits (doubtful imo), or she has the key to a family secret that they are desperate to hide.
alljmo

I can't see Baez being in high demand as a TH unless he goes to Elocution school. :biggrin:

[penguinlady]

I know I've said this before, but y'all remember when Casey was out on bond the first time and Cindy said they talked with the pastor and she was at peace, Casey was at peace?

She said that it was out of their hands or something to that effect, like there was nothing more they could do? I always thought that Cindy knew at that time Caylee was gone but she still stayed on that campaign about Caylee being kidnapped.

This has always stuck in my mind, that there was some kind of understanding, like the time Casey told Lee that "mom can tell you that mothers just know that sort of thing" (paraphrased).

:blink:

If something accidently happend to my son while I was with him (or even NOT with him!) I don't think I would ever be "at peace". Certainly not enough to go partying days afterward.

IMO
K

[gaelicpeas]

(snipped for space)
as obcessed as Kronk was with that bag .......spying on it for months ? Watching the area even at 9:30 at night ...........all these months roll by and wammy he is the one to find it finally ( like it has not already been found by him ) And he makes known he has touched the bag ..................there is more to this story ..........this is not actions of anyone who does not know whats on that bag IMO ....

How this came about ? Who knows , but more to come I am sure.
(my highlighting above)
It is my understanding that he saw the bag or whatever in the afternoon while on break (1:30-2:30), and then called 911 that night when he got home from work. JMO

[Roux]

Are people still trying to suggest the body was weighted down? For what purpose. The ground was dry there until hurricaine Faye came through. IMVHO, the only reason pavers are important is because of their relation to where the body was eventually found.

If the pavers are part of the scenario, could it have been a twisted attempt to place them as a covering or marker of the "grave."

[summer4meplz]

Remember she had a miscariage. Don't know how far along she was though. Did she bring it on herself ?

miscarriage ? that would have been Brandon's baby....the guy she saw in the restaurant and it upset her? Lord, who knows?

[Dunlurken]

.......spying on it for months ? Watching the area even at 9:30 at night ...........all these months roll by and wammy he is the one to find it finally ( like it has not already been found by him ) And he makes known he has touched the bag ..................there is more to this story ..........this is not actions of anyone who does not know whats on that bag IMO ....

How this came about ? Who knows , but more to come I am sure.
snipping to address:

Yeah, what's up with Kronk? He watches a white bag for months, when Caylee was in a black bag. JMO.

[happy2bme]

Good morning everyone!

Just read in the links thread that the MR thinks he may have seen Caylee's skull in August. He something white.

Would the skull actually be white? Would her remains be that decomposed?

[summer4meplz]

1- lots of money promised?
2- Hoover was taping it, spying on DC (not DC or defense idea)
3- Because he was suspicious and worried, asked for advice & ultimately gave tapes to FBI/LE (maybe he has a concience?)
4- From what I understand, there IS AUDIO but was not included with the tapes given to the media (hence the comment that DC can be heard saying something like "it should be right here".


that all makes sense and could very well be the answer but I can't in my wildest imagination think someone could do something so illegal, unethical and immoral for a few bucks.....

[gaelicpeas]

I appreciate what you're saying but, wasn't it speculated the bag may have had a tear to allow decomp fluids to leak into Casey's trunk?
Sorry posting that so early in the day :crying:
You are correct - that has been speculated. I don't think we know for sure.

[Dunlurken]

It didn't say they went to her 20 years ago, just that the murder was 20 years ago.
I know I sound defensive of the lady who called in but my mom's friend still has a son MIA from Vietnam and when he would've turned 40 she went to a psychic to see if this woman could tell her he was at rest. Nothing came from it and she only went once but she didn't go until many years after he was MIA.
Thanks. I understand what you're saying. I appreciate your response. JMO. Does shed a different light on her story. Thanks again.

[MGM111]

If he had been guided there by someone wouldn't he have a better address to give to the 911 operator? I do not believe he was guided by anyone. jmo

Hi Desmom
No..I dont think that Kronk was guided to the crime scene - but I wonder why the private investigator who was taped back in Nov only stayed in that area for a short time..if he was guided there by (as some others speculate) the A family..wouldnt he have made certain the body was found..why leave if he was told that Caylee was indeed there?

[Jpanda]

I think the reason the officer wouldn't shoot the snake is that in many if not most jurisdictions, anytime an officer fires his service weapon, internal affairs investigates and he/she (officer) is placed in an administrative position until the investigation is complete.

Exactly. A police officer can not just fire his gun like they do in the movies. It DOES cause a big internal investigation anytime an officer fires his gun.

jmo

ps - good morning everyone! i'm freezing.

[Claire]

In a nutshell someone that obcessed with a floating bag , sunken bag , whatever the position of the bag ........when 8-13th rolled around and Kronk was standing with LE at the waters edge ....he obviously should be able to see the bag he keeps saying he has seen , now he's got LE right there beside him ............he allwos the LE to say .I didn't SEE anything .....who would not say , hey buddy its right there !

AND IF IF it was not STILL right there ,WHY would MR have brought him out that day ? And IF IF he does not know exactly what is "in the bag " he would not have the nerve to keep calling and ultimately that last day be right on the scene with LE ....and who would not have gotten on weighters , jungle boots m whatever those things are that fisher man wear - snakes can't bite you through those and fish the BAG out .as obcessed as Kronk was with that bag .......spying on it for months ? Watching the area even at 9:30 at night ...........all these months roll by and wammy he is the one to find it finally ( like it has not already been found by him ) And he makes known he has touched the bag ..................there is more to this story ..........this is not actions of anyone who does not know whats on that bag IMO ....

How this came about ? Who knows , but more to come I am sure.


I think we are on the same page here Paratroll. I have been agreeing with every one of your posts including this one. My theory is that he actually looked inside that bag back in August. Why he did not call the police, I have no idea. I also feel he was told to go there or overheard a conversation between Lee and someone else and acted on what he heard. You know how sometimes you are outside talking on the phone or talking to someone and there is that meter reader in the background bending over doing whatever it is he is doing nice and quiet , that nobody seems to notice? I think this is what happened. I think that there may have been something near the bag that he took, too. A piece of evidence that he did not realize was evidence, just something someone tossed away back there, a cellphone, a piece of jewelry, something that was of some value, and pocketed.

[Dunlurken]

You are correct - that has been speculated. I don't think we know for sure.

Personally, I think Caylee died in the car trunk. Was put in a trash bag when Casey backed the car into the driveway on whichever day it was. Anyone remember which day she backed the car into the garage? JMO.

[marshmallow]

AND IF IF it was not STILL right there ,WHY would MR have brought him out that day ? And IF IF he does not know exactly what is "in the bag " he would not have the nerve to keep calling and ultimately that last day be right on the scene with LE ....and who would not have gotten on weighters , jungle boots m whatever those things are that fisher man wear - snakes can't bite you through those and fish the BAG out .as obcessed as Kronk was with that bag .......spying on it for months ? Watching the area even at 9:30 at night ...........all these months roll by and wammy he is the one to find it finally ( like it has not already been found by him ) And he makes known he has touched the bag ..................there is more to this story ..........this is not actions of anyone who does not know whats on that bag IMO ....

How this came about ? Who knows , but more to come I am sure.




what are you implying the MR did? are you saying he in some way is responsible for Caylee's death? that mabye it's a multiperson cover-up? that he is in cahoots with the Anthonys, the PIs, and/or JB? I'm confused about what your theory is concerning the MR and am interested in hearing more, please.

[summer4meplz]

It didn't say they went to her 20 years ago, just that the murder was 20 years ago.
I know I sound defensive of the lady who called in but my mom's friend still has a son MIA from Vietnam and when he would've turned 40 she went to a psychic to see if this woman could tell her he was at rest. Nothing came from it and she only went once but she didn't go until many years after he was MIA.

good catch.....It very well might have been much more recent....

I trust Kathy Belich too....the timing wasn't clear in her report as to when the psychic bilked them out of $5000.....and I have no doubt that it happened and happens all the time.....isn't anyone worried about their immortal soul in this case?

[penguinlady]

I think we are on the same page here Paratroll. I have been agreeing with every one of your posts including this one. My theory is that he actually looked inside that bag back in August. Why he did not call the police, I have no idea. I also feel he was told to go there or overheard a conversation between Lee and someone else and acted on what he heard. You know how sometimes you are outside talking on the phone or talking to someone and there is that meter reader in the background bending over doing whatever it is he is doing nice and quiet , that nobody seems to notice? I think this is what happened. I think that there may have been something near the bag that he took, too. A piece of evidence that he did not realize was evidence, just something someone tossed away back there, a cellphone, a piece of jewelry, something that was of some value, and pocketed.

That is a great theory!

[Claire]

Aren't these the locations the disptach is giving LE the tips to look , this is NOT what Kronk was telling them , its obvious they are confused on what Kronk tells them in those calls ...........but the day LE shows up and kronk leads the officer to the spot and says he sees nothing ,well being that obcessed I'd have to say I would have said , what are you crazy its right there how can you not see what I see , I'd have been mad enough to swim out to the bag at that point , but maybe this is the point where kronk knows he better back off ........until he sees ( imo) the area being searched by PI's , hes got to have a reason to have had his finger prints on the bag and that could only happen if he makes the final discovery ..............how this all came about , I don't know ,but can think of ways for sure.

Yep, his fingerprints are on the bag and NOW he has to insert himself so he does it by being the hero, instead of the suspect. Good post!

[starling]

well she was " out there" and i'm sure Cindy knew where she was and she sure couldn't say OK my grand daughters laying in the bag in the woods 15 houses down................... people might have went like this :ohmy:


Exactly!
I thought Lee looked shocked CA tagged on that last part. Like CA stepped outside the plan. JMO

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning everyone!

Just read in the links thread that the MR thinks he may have seen Caylee's skull in August. He something white.

Would the skull actually be white? Would her remains be that decomposed?


I think so Danielle Van Dam went missing on Feb. 1 and was found on Feb. 27. Only skeleton left. IMO

Caylee killed June 16 to Aug. 13 would be too.

[Dunlurken]

Hi Desmom
No..I dont think that Kronk was guided to the crime scene - but I wonder why the private investigator who was taped back in Nov only stayed in that area for a short time..if he was guided there by (as some others speculate) the A family..wouldnt he have made certain the body was found..why leave if he was told that Caylee was indeed there?

Because they were off by about 120 feet or whatever. If you look at the video, they were not in the same place where Caylee was "scattered". Sorry for being graphic people. Which would make me think she HAD been there since August or sooner, not deposited later. JMO.

[no1what]

Been reading up:
How did Jesse and his father hear about the nanny Zenaida as far back as 2006 and Casey happen to find a person by the same name filling out an application at the apartment complex in 2008??
This case has got to have the most coincidences of any case I have ever been aware of!


I am flabberghasted by the things that I have read.


They had heard of Zanny the nanny not Zenaida.

[Jpanda]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18486074/detail.html



Why not.....gonna run out of lawyers soon!!!!!!!

Wow! I think Nejame representing Tim Miller is great. I've always liked Nejame, even when he was yelling at Nancy. :laugh:

jmo

[?noanswer]

Yaaaaaaaawn, just waking up. Thanks for starting this daily thread n/t.

There are so many rumors started on this board by the same person it makes it harder to stay on track.

No ammunity for Cindy is all I want.


This has probably already been addressed as I have not read all the posts yet this AM.

Last night on NG, it was stated that there are two types of immunity. I can't remember the exact wording, but I think one was limited which has to be given to anyone that is supboenaed to testify. Limited means they cannnot be charged with anything they testify to and they cannot take the 5th.

The other one was blanket immunity which means they cannot be arrested for anything.

Also regarding the age of the psychic. I read somewhere that she started at the age of 9 and that she has a young child. She also was hired on a case 20 yrs. ago ( People that hired her were not pleased with results). Although in the pictures that NG showed the other night, she looked very young, if she started at 9 and her first case was 20 years ago that would make her 29. I would guess she is most likely in her mid 30's. I also think KFN had something to do with her being hired. They do say on their web page that they provide psychics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8BxmXHRaBI

A video illustrataing how dousing works with the father of the Psychic that supposedly was on the phone with DC.

Be sure to watch it until the end. You may be surprised. JMO

[marshmallow]

good catch.....It very well might have been much more recent....

I trust Kathy Belich too....the timing wasn't clear in her report as to when the psychic bilked them out of $5000.....and I have no doubt that it happened and happens all the time.....isn't anyone worried about their immortal soul in this case?

with an unsolved case the family may have gotten frustrated over time, feeling that LE wasn't able to give it as much attention or that all leads had gone cold, and in desperation they turned to a psychic...not wanting to give up complete hope and in the long run were taken for their $.

[Cury-us Coyote]

L. U. forensic scientist takes case in Florida

Media requests for interviews with Fairgrieve are being handled by a U. S.- based firm called Press Corps Media, which is acting as spokesman for The Baez Law Firm, which is representing Casey Anthony.
...
Black said it is not unusual for the defence team in a case of this magnitude to have as many as 25 experts.

Some have already done their work and are not part of the active team. Black did not say if Fairgrieve falls into that category.
...
Black said his company has staff in Orlando whose lives have been threatened "just because we're providing a media service."

Press Corps Media is a division of another company, which Black did not wish to identify.

It has 11 divisions, 42 offices in the United States, three in Canada and 17 overseas.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1388966

[summer4meplz]

Another thing I find so intriguing are the 2 houses with Zenaida in one and Gonzales in another.....the ending numbers of 1 and 9 and the fact that Gonzales family moved to Puerto rico......is that not the most incredible set of coincidences ever?

[Dunlurken]

They had heard of Zanny the nanny not Zenaida.

Back to my original question. Did this particular Zenaida who is filing the defamation lawsuit against Casey ever admit to going to Sawgrass?

[BJames]

I don't think we know at this point whether pavers were used or not. We also don't know if the ground was completely dry whenever the bag was dumped. It is a marshy area - so there could have been dry spots and wet spots. We just don't know, IMO.


That's true Gaelicpeas, we don't know for sure.
But I am guessing (!!!) that body was placed there for at least a while before the flooding came, the small animals that spread the bones over an acre would probably be out during a drier period of time, and it would take them a while to cover so much ground.

Just my opinion of course...

[spiritwolf46]

Good morning all of my wonderful posting peeps! Gonna be lurking for a while this morning gettin some things done but wanted to say HELLO to all.

Has there been any news on a funeral yet? As of last night, there was nothing. Breaks my heart. This little one needs to get to her final resting place. :(

[marshmallow]

...
Black said his company has staff in Orlando whose lives have been threatened "just because we're providing a media service."


http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1388966



mmmmhuh, and did they file reports with LE for these threats?

[Dunlurken]

I want to hear more about this marker Knonk talks about , you know wha the describes as a marker a board nailed between two trees .....why have we not heard this ..........who nailed a board , or if there was a board ,but Kronk said there was .

I would like to know if Scott and Kronk do live together on Hopespring .........as some have said ............Kronk says he'll meet them up there in his personal blue corsica or something , he was in the neighbor hood all the time , so its seems ,there enough that he as he said knew that area was a good place to hide a smelly decomposed body as the swamp water would deflect the smell of rotting ...........all too crazy ,when he also says he only saw the bag because he was resting in a shady spot on the sode of road , but tells good morning america he actually focused on that spot because of the smelly swamp and knew it was a good hiding place,
Man, you are bringing up good questions. I don't get this guy Kronk at all. He had a "hunch".... he didn't have a hunch he had knowledge and was looking for the reward. JMO.

[msgatorslayer]

As MSGATOR can tell you at that point we did have lots of rain. Florida afternoon thundershowers move fast and dump a lot. The front lot where I work has many times turned into a lake during one of our "showers".

IMO
K

Right. The term most frequently used by all meterologist is an 'urban flood advisory'. Meaning there will be so much rain in an hours time span that places prone to flooding, could flood.

And from being on the west coast and seeing radar, I know that central Florida gets hit harder than we do. The worst storm I've ever been caught driving in happened in Lakeland. It was one of those, 5 inches an hour type storms. I had to pull over at a gas station for about a half an hour.

[Claire]

Back to my original question. Did this particular Zenaida who is filing the defamation lawsuit against Casey ever admit to going to Sawgrass?

I can answer that. I saw the video a few days ago of the interview with her and her attorney. She said that she was at Sawgrass filling out a form for a possible apartment. She only listed two of her like 6 or 8 children (not sure how many she actually has) and put their nicknames on the form, not their given birth names. Her drivers license number, make and model of her car and her address. Her lawyer goes on to say that when Casey is with the police and she is giving this information the first time to the police she gives them all of this information, INCLUDING the two nicknames of the children (later Casey changes this story to Zanny the Nanny has no children). This, the lawyer says, is how they made the connection that Casey stole the identification of his client from Sawgrass right off that card.

[Lilly12]

I bet he was blow off by the officer. Let's hope all LE learns something from this.


Too bad the MR didn't call Nancy Grace, or a news outlet, when he was blown off. moo

[Dunlurken]

Good morning all of my wonderful posting peeps! Gonna be lurking for a while this morning gettin some things done but wanted to say HELLO to all.

Has there been any news on a funeral yet? As of last night, there was nothing. Breaks my heart. This little one needs to get to her final resting place. :(

Morning spirit! No news on a funeral yet, that I know of.

[summer4meplz]

with an unsolved case the family may have gotten frustrated over time, feeling that LE wasn't able to give it as much attention or that all leads had gone cold, and in desperation they turned to a psychic...not wanting to give up complete hope and in the long run were taken for their $.


I don't blame any family for using psychics in their desperate attempt for answers....but shame on anyone that takes advantage of grief stricken families.....

[Claire]

Man, you are bringing up good questions. I don't get this guy Kronk at all. He had a "hunch".... he didn't have a hunch he had knowledge and was looking for the reward. JMO.

I don't think so. I don't think he was looking for the reward at all. I think somehow he got wind of this information, and went because curiosity was killing him. Then inserted himself ONLY because he knew that his fingerprints were on the bag. Think of it this way. IF he had kept quiet and not reported it OR if he reported the bag and it was not followed up, HE would be a suspect in the murder of this little girl. Why? Because his fingerprints were on the bag. This is why slowly his story is changing. Because it was not THE TRUTH from the beginning. And it's still not 100% the truth. It's kind of like an overturned jar of cold molasses. Eventually it will come out.

[Dunlurken]

I can answer that. I saw the video a few days ago of the interview with her and her attorney. She said that she was at Sawgrass filling out a form for a possible apartment. She only listed two of her like 6 or 8 children (not sure how many she actually has) and put their nicknames on the form, not their given birth names. Her drivers license number, make and model of her car and her address. Her lawyer goes on to say that when Casey is with the police and she is giving this information the first time to the police she gives them all of this information, INCLUDING the two nicknames of the children (later Casey changes this story to Zanny the Nanny has no children). This, the lawyer says, is how they made the connection that Casey stole the identification of his client from Sawgrass right off that card.

Okay, thanks. I couldn't remember what the outcome was, if Zenaida had ever been there or not. JMO.

[ruth66]

I am wondering about the term 'paver stones', I have heard it used many times regarding where Caylee was found.
Would these be anything like the Anthony family had in their backyard? Or are these the bigger ones generally used by the city/county for paving roads?

Thanks in advance to anyone who knows....:smile:

Hope someone answers, asked the same question yesterday and no one responded. It would definitely be a "tie" to the Anthony home.

JMO

[spiritwolf46]

Morning spirit! No news on a funeral yet, that I know of.


Thank you Dunnie! :seeya:

[Elle]

Remember she had a miscariage. Don't know how far along she was though. Did she bring it on herself ?

I remember it was stated that Casey 'said' she had a miscarriage. Casey has said alot of things.
IIRC, this past May, at the anything but clothes party, she was talking to Brandon and claimed she had miscarried.

imo

[?noanswer]

The news is probably just making headlines now. This is probably ongoing.

LE officers constantly get complaints as the people they're dealing with are some of the most upstanding citizens around *cough*.

I can't imagine putting on the How can I be of assistance Sir, Maam everytime they go out. Maybe he was or wasn't rude.

The only part I don't trust or I should say like about Kronk is I think he's more like us and he was actively looking into this. He doesn't want to cop to it and I think because of this his story will be changing as a little of the truth will come out more and more. That's going to look bad and the defense will grab everything they can get there hands on to the point of saying you said I and now you say me. Your words have changed. LOL

I hope he enjoyed his 15 minutes of fame and can settle back in. I couldn't imagine being in his shoes and actually being the one to have found Caylee. Somewhere between fear and heroic I'd imagine.


I bet at trial, the only thing that will brought out re Mr. Kronk's story is what is in the official police report. I'm sure there are more details in that than has been released. It does get confusing when we get snippets from different people. Each will spin the snippet to support their view. JMO

[*MoonRider*]

L. U. forensic scientist takes case in Florida

Media requests for interviews with Fairgrieve are being handled by a U. S.- based firm called Press Corps Media, which is acting as spokesman for The Baez Law Firm, which is representing Casey Anthony.
...
Black said it is not unusual for the defence team in a case of this magnitude to have as many as 25 experts.

Some have already done their work and are not part of the active team. Black did not say if Fairgrieve falls into that category.
...
Black said his company has staff in Orlando whose lives have been threatened "just because we're providing a media service."

Press Corps Media is a division of another company, which Black did not wish to identify.

It has 11 divisions, 42 offices in the United States, three in Canada and 17 overseas.
http://www.thesudburystar.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1388966

Oh no, the invisible Todd Black is back with his media statements. :ohmy: Wonder if he ever heard of spell check?

[Dunlurken]

I don't think so. I don't think he was looking for the reward at all. I think somehow he got wind of this information, and went because curiosity was killing him. Then inserted himself ONLY because he knew that his fingerprints were on the bag. Think of it this way. IF he had kept quiet and not reported it OR if he reported the bag and it was not followed up, HE would be a suspect in the murder of this little girl. Why? Because his fingerprints were on the bag. This is why slowly his story is changing. Because it was not THE TRUTH from the beginning. And it's still not 100% the truth. It's kind of like an overturned jar of cold molasses. Eventually it will come out.

Why would his fingerprints be on the bag? If he touched it he would have found a body. I'm not getting your drift. JMO. He says he kicked the bag with his shoe and a skull rolled out. He needs to get his story straight. JMO.

[Claire]

Claire , so true ............and someone just posted about some starting RUMOR's ? This is what we have heard and known so far and don't matter how its sliced it does not add up to a PIE .

We're not looking for him to answer to the square root or how he got to it ,its simple really ..............the sighting of the bag , how it was seen m when it was seen ,who was with you , ,what is the malfunction here ?

I had to laugh like this :lol: when you said something about someone complaining about starting rumors. These are not rumors, these are theories. And isn't that why we are all here? All of us ARMCHAIR DETECTIVES? This is what we do best. Detect. So go out there and let's do our thing. Don't let anyone stop us by saying we are making rumors. Because you know what? On the Arizona board, their theories (which they were also accused of starting "rumors" probablyf by the same complainers) ended up on the nightly news and cracking the case! They proved that the 8 year old boy could not have shot and killed those two men in the space of time that the State is claiming, and that the gun they claim he used, could not have been the same weapon because those posters tested out their theories! So good for them!!!! And good for us, we may crack this case yet! Or at least expose the lies! :thumbsup:

[Jpanda]

I don't think so. I don't think he was looking for the reward at all. I think somehow he got wind of this information, and went because curiosity was killing him. Then inserted himself ONLY because he knew that his fingerprints were on the bag. Think of it this way. IF he had kept quiet and not reported it OR if he reported the bag and it was not followed up, HE would be a suspect in the murder of this little girl. Why? Because his fingerprints were on the bag. This is why slowly his story is changing. Because it was not THE TRUTH from the beginning. And it's still not 100% the truth. It's kind of like an overturned jar of cold molasses. Eventually it will come out.

I am so confused about what to think about this MR. I'm so grateful that he found Caylee, but the things that keep coming out about his story just make it so unbelievable! I want so bad for him to have just been a good samaritan and I'm leaning that way, but there are definitely a few questions in my mind too.

I guess I just wish that if he were going to go on national TV for an interview, that he would just come out with the whole entire story...and if LE doesn't want him to talk about certain aspects, then I just don't think he should be talking at all. Period. It's making suspicions fly about him.

Ughhhh just another aspect in this case that hurts my poor lil brain.

jmo

[Dunlurken]

Thank you Dunnie! :seeya:I wish those icons weren't so hard to find. They sure helped explain your posts so much better than the ones we currently have.

Good to see you friend. We will keep you up to date as best we can about any new developments today. I keep hearing there is a "hearing" today, but can't remember what it's for. JMO.

[?noanswer]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to throw this out here, but this is what I believe happened with regards to these videos:

Facts:
DC is obviously searching for the body, very very close to where Caylee was ultimately discovered, and paying special attention to black garbage bags. He is also taped searching and digging around the abandoned house owned by someone with the surname Gonzales. He is videotaped during these actions by Hoover.

Theory:
DC is being instructed by KC via either baez or lee about where to find Caylee's body. I am positive imo that it will come out that baez or lee was on the other end of that phone (or KC directly via a web based phone hookup (vonage/viatalk/IM-voice/etc) using baez's laptop during a jail visit.

The plan is to find Caylee, and relocate her to the yard of that abandoned house (possibly bury her under those paving stones DC was digging under. Then if she is ever found, the new location gives the defense a nice piece of CE supporting reasonable doubt to the jury. Hoover broke this open by secretly videoing DC and subsequently handing that tape over to LE.

I didn't get the idea that Hoover was secretly taping. I thought he said DC called him and told him they had found Caylee and she was not alive and that they had to get there.

As to your theory above, I can see that as a possibilty. Another possibilty is that since it has been said the occupants of the house went back to Puerto Rico, they would say they took Caylee to Puerto Rico. IIRC, Cindy made a plea in Spanish for Caylee to be found.

JMO

[CelticDawn]

a couple of days ago....after I heard about Tim Miller hiring Nejame as his attorney...He was on the tele...
the blurb said that he was Headed to Orlando to fight baez's BS.....

Has he arrived...???

I havent seen anything about that.

[desmom]

Aren't these the locations the disptach is giving LE the tips to look , this is NOT what Kronk was telling them , its obvious they are confused on what Kronk tells them in those calls ...........but the day LE shows up and kronk leads the officer to the spot and says he sees nothing ,well being that obcessed I'd have to say I would have said , what are you crazy its right there how can you not see what I see , I'd have been mad enough to swim out to the bag at that point , but maybe this is the point where kronk knows he better back off ........until he sees ( imo) the area being searched by PI's , hes got to have a reason to have had his finger prints on the bag and that could only happen if he makes the final discovery ..............how this all came about , I don't know ,but can think of ways for sure.

Kronk had to find the bag because his fingerprints were on the bag? How did Kronk's fingerprints get on the bag before December 11?

[Regina.Lampert]

His story is "evolving" every single day it looks like. Isn't it funny how when any of the Anthony's especially Cindy's stories "evolve" we are all over them like flies on horse manure YET as we hear Kronk go from "I was out in the wood relieving myself when I kicked a plastic bag and a skull rolled out" to "I called the police three times back in August and September when I saw a strange bag/something white/something hanging from a tree..." to I called the police FOUR times back in August and September when I saw something white" to last night's version "I was in the truck with 2 other meter readers (look now I have witnesses!) when I had to relieve myself and went into the woods where I TOUCHED a bag (cya incase of fingerprints, dontchaknow)..." we are all willing to overlook these inconsistencies. Hmmmmm.

And once again, as Dr. Henry Lee would say "something not right with meter reader"! :thumbdown:


Evolving? You mean his story may have evolved from what was 'REPORTED' he said the day he found the remains? IIRC, we didn't even know his name for a period of time, then when he came forth I don't think he really said much.

His appearance on GMA was really the first time we heard him, in his own words, describe what happened on certains dates.

IMO, there was no suspicious evolution. The man is innocent of any wrong doing. Not begging for full immunity like the anthonys are, either.

[Claire]

I am so confused about what to think about this MR. I'm so grateful that he found Caylee, but the things that keep coming out about his story just make it so unbelievable! I want so bad for him to have just been a good samaritan and I'm leaning that way, but there are definitely a few questions in my mind too.

I guess I just wish that if he were going to go on national TV for an interview, that he would just come out with the whole entire story...and if LE doesn't want him to talk about certain aspects, then I just don't think he should be talking at all. Period. It's making suspicions fly about him.

Ughhhh just another aspect in this case that hurts my poor lil brain.

jmo

Well you know if you want to really look at the meter reader, instead of congratulating him for finding little Caylee's remains, we might be blaming him for not reporting this bag the right way back in August when there could have been soft tissue and a way to find out what killed Caylee. If he called back in August and he touched this bag back in August, don't try to sell me a story that he found a garbage bag in the woods in a neighborhood of the Anthony's knowing it was a teen hangout (and I do believe he knew that) touched it and then just walked away without looking. Curiosity alone is what drove him back there 3 or 4 times and what drove him to keep nudging the police with his phone calls. Don't try to tell me this very curious man did not have any curiosity on that first day he was back there "touching" this bag!

:mad:

[*MoonRider*]

Evolving? You mean his story may have evolved from what was 'REPORTED' he said the day he found the remains? IIRC, we didn't even know his name for a period of time, then when he came forth I don't think he really said much.

His appearance on GMA was really the first time we heard him, in his own words, describe what happened on certains dates.

IMO, there was no suspicious evolution. The man is innocent of any wrong doing. Not begging for full immunity like the anthonys are, either.

I'm with you on this.

[marshmallow]

I had to laugh like this :lol: when you said something about someone complaining about starting rumors. These are not rumors, these are theories. And isn't that why we are all here? All of us ARMCHAIR DETECTIVES? This is what we do best. Detect. So go out there and let's do our thing. Don't let anyone stop us by saying we are making rumors. Because you know what? On the Arizona board, their theories (which they were also accused of starting "rumors" probablyf by the same complainers) ended up on the nightly news and cracking the case! They proved that the 8 year old boy could not have shot and killed those two men in the space of time that the State is claiming, and that the gun they claim he used, could not have been the same weapon because those posters tested out their theories! So good for them!!!! And good for us, we may crack this case yet! Or at least expose the lies! :thumbsup:



I know I enjoy the theories put out, no matter who they favor or how often they change. I just am wise enough to know the difference between a poster's "theory" and the "facts". Theories may often contain "facts" but facts may not often contain "theories"
but keep the theories coming, just don't call them "facts" :thumbsup:

[spiritwolf46]

I wish those icons weren't so hard to find. They sure helped explain your posts so much better than the ones we currently have.

Good to see you friend. We will keep you up to date as best we can about any new developments today. I keep hearing there is a "hearing" today, but can't remember what it's for. JMO.


You are all so terrific on here! I always look forward to reading all and knowing that you all will keep things updated. Don't know what I would do without any of you!

I just PRAY that this little one gets to rest soon. I cannot imagine what the hold up is. Doesn't anyone care? Just breaks my heart. Just when you think this case cannot get anymore bizarre, it does, and this is one of the bizarre things of all. That little one in that funeral home for so long. SIGH!

[msgatorslayer]

Hope someone answers, asked the same question yesterday and no one responded. It would definitely be a "tie" to the Anthony home.

JMO

A 'paver' or for a better description, a 'decorative paver' can come in many shapes, sizes, and colors.

They are used to make walkways, patio foundations, driveways, retaining walls, etc.

There are also molds that can be bought where you mix cement with color dye and make your own.

[desmom]

Hi Desmom
No..I dont think that Kronk was guided to the crime scene - but I wonder why the private investigator who was taped back in Nov only stayed in that area for a short time..if he was guided there by (as some others speculate) the A family..wouldnt he have made certain the body was found..why leave if he was told that Caylee was indeed there?

Ooops, my bad. I apologize. I misunderstood your post.

Good questions. Maybe he thought it was another one of Casey's lies. IMO, his manners of searching made me think he considered the entire outing "a huge waste".

[Dunlurken]

The only person that has ever mentioned the motel story is lenny and I have not seen anywhere that he gives a location.

JMO
Just wait. I'm sure it will come out. Back to the post you were quoting, the handwriting analysis thing is going to be big. Man, is everyone out to make a buck on this case? If ZFG, the one doing the defamation lawsuit was not actually at Sawgrass, she has cooked her goose. I have to wonder why a woman with 6 children would try and get an apartment that she couldn't afford, or isn't allowed. You can't have 6 kids in a one/two bedroom apartment. JMO.

[SavannahStar]

I can answer that. I saw the video a few days ago of the interview with her and her attorney. She said that she was at Sawgrass filling out a form for a possible apartment. She only listed two of her like 6 or 8 children (not sure how many she actually has) and put their nicknames on the form, not their given birth names. Her drivers license number, make and model of her car and her address. Her lawyer goes on to say that when Casey is with the police and she is giving this information the first time to the police she gives them all of this information, INCLUDING the two nicknames of the children (later Casey changes this story to Zanny the Nanny has no children). This, the lawyer says, is how they made the connection that Casey stole the identification of his client from Sawgrass right off that card.

Claire, IIRC, Casey told LE that Zanny had no children in her interview at Universal. :confused:

[nc1948]

.

I couldn't imagine being in his shoes and actually being the one to have found Caylee. Somewhere between fear and heroic I'd imagine.

snipped for space. The MR did what no one else had been able to do and what everyone was asking for. He found Caylees remains. I for one was praying that someone would find her , he did. Now TH are going through his past. His expunged record, his child support his whole life. Wonder if he ever was expelled or suspended from school. What does any of this have to do with him finally, after 6 months finding Caylee.

I have always tried to do the correct thing. BUT, after this, if I were to find a body, I would second guess telling anyone. You can't even report it anonimously they will track your phone records. WHY in the world would you want to get involved. Instead of being thanked for finding Caylee he is being trashed. Well, I do thank him. I am so glad she has been found. Her mother put her in a trash bag and threw her away. Trash you put in a garbage can so animals will not destroy, but her daughter she threw into the woods. Thanks MR at least now Cindy will not continue to spout sightings all over the world and tell us to get off our arse and go look.

[Cheri_G]

I am so confused about what to think about this MR. I'm so grateful that he found Caylee, but the things that keep coming out about his story just make it so unbelievable! I want so bad for him to have just been a good samaritan and I'm leaning that way, but there are definitely a few questions in my mind too.

I guess I just wish that if he were going to go on national TV for an interview, that he would just come out with the whole entire story...and if LE doesn't want him to talk about certain aspects, then I just don't think he should be talking at all. Period. It's making suspicions fly about him.

Ughhhh just another aspect in this case that hurts my poor lil brain.

jmo

I'd wondered why he was... not sure what the right word to use here is... adamant, certain ... that the bag he'd spotted in August was the bag that had Caylee's remains so much so that he came back to the place again and then kicked it as was reported I think (or maybe he opened it).

Maybe he knew something, maybe he was just a good samaritan who was persistant, either way he's not making himself look good doing interviews and it looks to me like he's giving the defense something to work with.

[Lilly12]

Unless the snake was armed with a weapon ,like a gun or something.........I mean who has the gun here the snake or the cop ?


Now wait a minute, suppose he fired at the snake and missed. The snake would probably attack him before he got the next shot. I do not fault him for not dealing with the snake. I do believe he should have/could have called for help. Done something, not just leave it unresolved, as the MR must have felt was done in this case. moo

[CelticDawn]

His story is "evolving" every single day it looks like. Isn't it funny how when any of the Anthony's especially Cindy's stories "evolve" we are all over them like flies on horse manure YET as we hear Kronk go from "I was out in the wood relieving myself when I kicked a plastic bag and a skull rolled out" to "I called the police three times back in August and September when I saw a strange bag/something white/something hanging from a tree..." to I called the police FOUR times back in August and September when I saw something white" to last night's version "I was in the truck with 2 other meter readers (look now I have witnesses!) when I had to relieve myself and went into the woods where I TOUCHED a bag (cya incase of fingerprints, dontchaknow)..." we are all willing to overlook these inconsistencies. Hmmmmm.

And once again, as Dr. Henry Lee would say "something not right with meter reader"! :thumbdown:

what is REPORTED that he said versus what he actually said are two different things....so is what is reported that he DID.

Think about it...Until its testified to <what parts of it that will be>....all bets are off as to what actually happened.

[no1what]

I have gone over that in my mind a million times, the only thing I can think of is Casey was terrified of being a failure in Cindy's eyes, Maybe Cindy at one time told Casey that if she didn't watch Caylee around the pool better she would drown, Maybe Caylee had a near drowning once.

I still want to know what Lee meant when he asked "is this like last time". Maybe that would explain Cindy's calmness when she says she knows Casey didn't hurt Caylee.

OTOH, I can't explain the lies to LE about her working. I can't explain the partying, or her total disconnect from Caylee.


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This is like the convo Casey had with Lee where she mentions that she believes in her heart that they will all be together again some day.

The way Casey said IMO was she meant after death, not living.

[spiritwolf46]

Evolving? You mean his story may have evolved from what was 'REPORTED' he said the day he found the remains? IIRC, we didn't even know his name for a period of time, then when he came forth I don't think he really said much.

His appearance on GMA was really the first time we heard him, in his own words, describe what happened on certains dates.

IMO, there was no suspicious evolution. The man is innocent of any wrong doing. Not begging for full immunity like the anthonys are, either.

Great post, Regina. ITA.

[ruth66]

That we know of...
Baez: if he can find a way to win this seemingly unwinnable case, he stands to gain ten-fold (goes on to be another geragos getting millions per case, becomes a TH, etc)
DC: If you pay someone enough, and they don't have much moral fiber, anything is possibleThe A's: Either their love knows no limits (doubtful imo), or she has the key to a family secret that they are desperate to hide.
alljmo

bolding mine
It would seem that many that get themselves involved in this case (other than Tim Miller and a very few others) have the moral issue you describe. Which is the only reason I can think of (other than $$$) to do some of the things they are willing to do. It is amazing to whate ends people who seek noteriety will go.

JMO

[101Spots]

The psychic was on the night before and had many excuses (not believable) why she didn't have the phone records. All she had to do was view her bill online. The call doesn't exist. She demanded NG help her with Verizon. NG told her "we don't have to help you with nothing".

Long and short of it, the psychic is full of it.

Longer and shorter: she ain't even psychic. She's just <envision many bannable adjectives here>!

[Dunlurken]

Claire, IIRC, Casey told LE that Zanny had no children in her interview at Universal. :confused:

Well, that just spun my head around! LOL.

[SavannahStar]

They had heard of Zanny the nanny not Zenaida.


But I believe the name "Zenita" (spelled that way in transcripts) was mentioned by Richard Morales, he heard Casey speak of her. I know we discussed this several weeks ago now.

[i_pickle]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to throw this out here, but this is what I believe happened with regards to these videos:

Facts:
DC is obviously searching for the body, very very close to where Caylee was ultimately discovered, and paying special attention to black garbage bags. He is also taped searching and digging around the abandoned house owned by someone with the surname Gonzales. He is videotaped during these actions by Hoover.

Theory:
DC is being instructed by KC via either baez or lee about where to find Caylee's body. I am positive imo that it will come out that baez or lee was on the other end of that phone (or KC directly via a web based phone hookup (vonage/viatalk/IM-voice/etc) using baez's laptop during a jail visit.

The plan is to find Caylee, and relocate her to the yard of that abandoned house (possibly bury her under those paving stones DC was digging under. Then if she is ever found, the new location gives the defense a nice piece of CE supporting reasonable doubt to the jury. Hoover broke this open by secretly videoing DC and subsequently handing that tape over to LE.Your theory makes alot of sense, imo.

JMO