Thursday January 15 - Part 1

[Daffodil]

You beat me to it, here comes another daisy chain...

JMO

I'm sure "daisy chain" (just the words) mean something to Casey or the Anthony's and that is why LP is using that term. I think he does a lot of things just to drive them crazy.

[True2Blues]

Jaywalking is also against the law but I haven't seen anyone being ticketed for that in this case yet even though I have seen it time and again. I am thinking that if LE in Orlando does not have the manpower to do thorough investigations within ONE MILE of a missing childs house, then they do not have the manpower to go after someone peeing in the woods. And color me wrong but except for when the meter reader called and said, basically,-ok, I found a skull, can you come NOW?-up until then-this never looked to be an especially populated area.


I agree. The police wouldn't have been able to see anyone through all that brush if they were driving by, and I can't see them stopping every time to run in and look.

If someone isn't standing on the edge of the road trying to wash cars as they go by, I don't think police would even be aware of anything going on.

[?noanswer]

You'll go crazy trying to make every piece fit. Casey could have used the butter knife to pry open friends doors while they were gone at work, for all we know.:sneaky:

It might be as simple as she took it because she ate a lot of fast foods and did not like using plastic utensils. JMO

[joolz]

Which turned into murder. Cindy was negligent in not talking to Caylee for 31 days. JMO. Take it or leave it.

Leave it, because Cindy was not Caylee's legal guardian. So while she might have been ethically negligent, she was not legally negligent.

[nothingnew]

I have been there but thank you- my point is that if a person is caught selling drugs or similar offenses within 100 ft of a school it potentially steps up the charges- wondered if this would be the case as well. IMO

And YET-the person would still have to be CAUGHT selling drugs/similar offense yada, yada to be charged. But yeah, other than THAT it's an almost identical situation.

[True2Blues]

I'm sure "daisy chain" (just the words) mean something to Casey or the Anthony's and that is why LP is using that term. I think he does a lot of things just to drive them crazy.

I think he'll say anything to keep getting on TV.

[CANDYKISSES]

I am adresing that his friends are supposedly now witness to MR going potty in the woods in august ,not dec.

I have found that to be offensive since day ONE, and it only intensified my feelings to know there were multiple visits, and that was the best he could come up with. IMOO it was just another indignity for Caylee. :cursing: CRASS at best given his feelings about what he suspected. barf

[ishkabibble]

This is from the affidavit taken on July 16 th 2008- stated by Casey " I am afraid of what Caylee is going through after 31 days." She knew. Plastic bags- dumped- swamp- water. Cruel. IMO :rose:

why was she worried, she spoke to Caylee (she says) on the phone and Caylee was fine she was telling her about her shoes and a book she had been reading? Caylee was even upset after not hearing from Caasey in a month. She can't even keep track of what lie she told to who.

[dgfred]

I'm glad he didn't.

If Kronk would have used a real bathroom, Caylee's remains might never have been found.


Sounds so far that he would have been back shortly to let loose again.

[Lavenia]

It's obvious that a lot of folks on here (who are complaining about the meter reader relieving himself in the woods) have never worked a job that involves a ROUTE. Especially a route that is mainly in a residential area. The real bathrooms are in the homes and not on every corner! Meter readers don't go knocking on doors to use the bathrooms. Believe it or not, when you're working on a route, public restrooms are far and few between!

That's true. My husband's a home builder and the first thing he calls for on a job is a porta-potty before the slab even goes down, because if you don't do that, even in multi-million dollar home neighborhoods, guys will wander off to relieve themselves and not many people in those neighborhood appreciate it.

[happygert]

She can and she has. Anyone can sue anyone. Doesn't mean they will win. JMO


I'm praying she'll win.....It's terrible to be accused of something you did not do.. Let alone be accused of KIDNAPPING and murder of a 2 year old on National TV..Then they just keep on lying about it.. I don't know anyone here who would not do the same thing in filing a lawsuit.. Who here on this board would not want there name cleared? This woman Has 6 kids to feed and provide for.

[Dunlurken]

Leave it, because Cindy was not Caylee's legal guardian. So while she might have been ethically negligent, she was not legally negligent.

I understand what you're saying. Morally vs. legally wrong. Okay, I'll move on. JMO.

[?noanswer]

I figure if nature calls and you aren't near your home, then go for it..lol

My mama always said "If they have never seen it before, they don't know what it is". When I grew up, we lived far out and did not have a vehicle. We walked everywhere and would use the bathroom in the woods. Course you could hear a vehicle coming miles away and had time to appear normal. JMO

[dgfred]

I'm praying she'll win.....It's terrible to be accused of something you did not do.. Let alone be accused of KIDNAPPING and murder of a 2 year old on National TV..Then they just keep on lying about it.. I don't know anyone here who would not do the same thing in filing a lawsuit.. Who here on this board would not want there name cleared? This woman Has 6 kids to feed and provide for.

I really don't see how she can win. Casey said it was not her and LE said the same thing. Could someone clear that up for me?

[kitty1182]

Don't you think he could have found a real bathroom just as easily as a snake infested swamp?



If a man came to my door wanting to use my bathroom, I would say "no"...
It wasn't like his house was nearby.....He had to go and the woods was the best place to go.....

[CelticDawn]

Grunde said in 2006 when their family could no longer baby sit Caylee and Casey was looking for a sitter , he addressed her that day on 2006 asking Casey of she had found a sitter and she said she had and it was Zenaida - Zanny , Richard Grunde said .

Trying to catch up...<this is making me even nuttier than normal>....

I recall Jesse mentioning something about Zenaida gonzales and that he heard the name zenaida at the very least in 2006....Well that was TOO early for casey to have been formulating this plot of hers...wouldnt you think???.....This is so weird...!!!


Who and what ARE these people?

[trt]

If they hadn't of cleaned the car I would feel sooooo much better about
them. Otherwise, I would have thought they were in denial, but after that they had to know something was terribly wrong.

ITA...you smell DEATH, by your own admission and instead of combing the area for your DAUGHTER and GRANDDAUGHTER, you start cleaning clothes that *smelled like the car*? At this point, either Casey or Caylee could have met an ill fate(especially since Casey's purse was also found in the car, IIRC)...yet Cindy washes what could be vital evidence in locating her daughter or granddaughter. Yeah, there was no denial...the minute I heard them say they checked UNDER her playhouse and in their OWN BACKYARD, I knew they weren't in denial. As someone (marshmallow, maybe) says with such eloquence - you don't step in and out of denial as it suits you.

JMO

[dgfred]

If a man came to my door wanting to use my bathroom, I would say "no"...
It wasn't like his house was nearby.....He had to go and the woods was the best place to go.....

Some are guessing that maybe he lived in that neighborhood with a supervisor???

[SavannahStar]

You're right, happy. I wish everyone could get on the same page with this one bit of information.

Anyone who heard the "nanny's" name prior to the night of July 15th, heard only Zanny. No one, to my knowledge, ever heard the full ZFG name until Casey needed it as a part of her lies to LE when she got busted in mid-July.

Richard Morales heard "Zenita" prior to July 15.

[Pruddennce]

snipped for space

I do get what you're saying but consider this-Where did the police even get Zen's phone number?-sure as heck not from casey 'where's my other phone?' anthony. They got that from Sawgrass management when they saw the similarity in names and looked at the guest card. Then they call and verify who they are talking to-are you? do you? We need to have a talk. I don't think that even that early in the case they were considering things valid just because "casey said".
As to the lawsuit (I do not know-just passing on what I remember being discussed)-is it possible, when Zenaida wins the suit, that she can then get money from the homeowners policy because casey was a resident of the anthony house when she, in my opinion, killed Caylee?

ZFG is suing casey, not the anthony family. Casey has nothing. If Casey 'acquires' something in the future, and ZFG wins, its up for grabs to settle her 'win'.

your post/question is: the anthonys homeowners insurance policy may pay out a lawsuit (if won) regarding a law suit their daughter is engaged in??????? where do these people come up with this stuff? this is not a case against the owners of the home (in fact IIRC, Cindy is the sole owner).......and what would a homeowners policy have to do with a lawsuit regarding defamation???????

best regards,
Pru

[SavannahStar]

ZG really can not sue anyone...she was questioned by LE as so many other witnesses can be....LE was trying to find a ZG and it turned out that she is not the one....There can be many people that have that name....The law suit is a farce....just another lawyer trying to cash in on this high profile case...that's all.....JMO

:thumbsup: BINGO!!!!!!!!

[desmom]

I am adresing that his friends are supposedly now witness to MR going potty in the woods in august ,not dec.


I am sorry. I must have misunderstood your post:

Or that the ONLY DAY he tocuhed the bag was 12-11-08 , when he said he could not go in because of water and snakes ,yet his pals with him say he did go in and go potty , its conflicting to say the least.


I must have missed the article with his friends' statements. Could you provide a link? TIA

[trt]

If they did cover up and lie for her, they didn't know what they were covering. I doubt they know to this day how their grandaughter died. Do you think Casey told them all the facts? I think Casey just fed them a story and gave them something to hang onto.

imo

I doubt it...I do think they knew what Casey had done but I don't think she was completely honest about what happened. They may have even just figured it out on their own. But there was no denial, IMO. Again, if they are in denial, they don't feel the need to cover and lie. Nothing happened. But if you want the LE to BELIEVE you are in denial, then you say and do everything you can to keep them off of the criminal's case. This is what they did, IMO.

[kitty1182]

Some are guessing that maybe he lived in that neighborhood with a supervisor???



I hadn't heard he lived anywhere near there...:confused:

[WillowInFlight]

ITA...you smell DEATH, by your own admission and instead of combing the area for your DAUGHTER and GRANDDAUGHTER, you start cleaning clothes that *smelled like the car*? At this point, either Casey or Caylee could have met an ill fate(especially since Casey's purse was also found in the car, IIRC)...yet Cindy washes what could be vital evidence in locating her daughter or granddaughter. Yeah, there was no denial...the minute I heard them say they checked UNDER her playhouse and in their OWN BACKYARD, I knew they weren't in denial. As someone (marshmallow, maybe) says with such eloquence - you don't step in and out of denial as it suits you.

JMO

Great post, trt, and I agree, I don't think they were ever in denial.

[Anakerie]

I can't say that I have been there, but its not like the middle of nowhere. Its Orlando, and I have to believe it wouldn't be hard to find a bathroom.
**sigh** Like I said, some folks on here have NO CLUE what it's like to work on a ROUTE. I'm not going to argue with you, Arguendo. I'm just going to say one last thing, when you work on a ROUTE, you stay to that ROUTE and you "make do" for things like that. Been there, done that. A heavily wooded area such as where Caylee's remains were found would have been a spot that I would have chosen if I had been on that route. Period.

[happy2bme]

Trying to catch up...<this is making me even nuttier than normal>....

I recall Jesse mentioning something about Zenaida gonzales and that he heard the name zenaida at the very least in 2006....Well that was TOO early for casey to have been formulating this plot of hers...wouldnt you think???.....This is so weird...!!!


Who and what ARE these people?

Jesse did not say he heard zenaida Gonzales since 2006 (or at list that is not what is in his statement to LE). He said he had heard the name Zani and only in the last 6 months.

[CelticDawn]

I really don't see how she can win. Casey said it was not her and LE said the same thing. Could someone clear that up for me?

emotionally...I see her suing and winning....However Legally...I question whether there is any merit....I can possibly see her suing her employer but even that is weak...He or she had grounds for terminating her....In a job like that...she had to go to clients homes....and with her name out there...Im sure they would be very skeptical...I would anyway if after hearing that zenaida gonzales was connected with whatever....and then having a service send zenaida Gonzales to MY house...??? NO.

[Jester]

ITA and I think a lot of the visits were staged. There is no way they did not know they were being recorded. jmo

I completely agree. It's like the whole family was posing for the camera, trying so hard to say the right things and show the right emotions.

Where did that nasty, swearing, defiant, demanding Casey from the first phone call go?

[daHawg]

Unless I missed something we don't know what his pals said because they haven't come forward and said anything yet. And I am using this post because I went backwards off your last post where you say his friends say he went in the woods in AUG to pee. We don't know that no one not even Kronk has stated that. Kronk said that about Dec 11 and quite frankly IMO I think he is just saying that as being an excuse for him to go in a and recheck the area that his was in back in August to satisfy his mind so to speak while he was on duty since all the other times he was off duty when he made his calls. Doesn't matter in the end but seems to be an acceptable reason for him being in the woods.



ETA: He didn't kill the snake he mentions in his call he says he found a dead 4ft snake. And the snake in his pic is NOT that snake. It is a pic of A snake from the area.

[CelticDawn]

Jesse did not say he heard zenaida Gonzales since 2006 (or at list that is not what is in his statement to LE). He said he had heard the name Zani and only in the last 6 months.

so where is this 2006 date coming from???...I couldnt find it anywhere either

[SavannahStar]

So do we think this woman is deliberately lying to authorities to back up D. Casey? Or is she confused? Or just a ditz? What would her motive be for saying she was the one on the phone with Dominic, if she wasn't?

Anyone?

Hey mark this down: WE AGREE. WHY????????

[happygert]

I really don't see how she can win. Casey said it was not her and LE said the same thing. Could someone clear that up for me?

Yes and casey also said that Jeff Hopkins that had Zach was the other one..Casey gave them info leading to ZFG.. Not just ZG she put the F in there how many have that same name? How did they find the very exact one that filed out papers in the sawgrass apartments? Coincidence NO!

[playnice]

Coulda been a blue moon too, depending on the weather!!! :tongue:

Looking forward to finding out if Cain is another one of the OC's LE boytoys.

Regina do you remember a media report right after the cop was fired for lying about having a relationship that 2 other officers came forward and admitted they had a relationship too? But nothing was ever mentioned again. I always wondered if it was true and who they were.

[Anakerie]

Some are guessing that maybe he lived in that neighborhood with a supervisor???
They ought to quit guessing.... lol

[Remy]

Neither do I. The OJ verdict was a result of jury nullification. JMO

As well as a terrible judge. I hope Strickland stays on this case.

[happy2bme]

so where is this 2006 date coming from???...I couldnt find it anywhere either


Who knows....probably the same place the rest of the BS that flies around.:blink:

[~jomomma~]

oh my gosh

anyone know when we're due for the next doc dump?? :bored:

[Mimi428]

Neither do I. The OJ verdict was a result of jury nullification. JMO

Exactly. I sure can't imagine there would be a single thing about this case that would cause any jury to vote NG based on a desire to right former/historic wrongs. Not gonna happen.

OTOH, I am so perplexed at contemplating what in the world Baez will offer as a defense that I am about half expecting to hear about Columbian neckties & how the phantom nanny was involved in international drug smuggling or something equally nefarious.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

How does Z think she can win, didn't team Casey say that isn't the Z that Casey was talking about? Didn't they show Casey her picture and she said no that wasn't her? Why can't every women that has that name file a suit? What did I miss that Z knows for a fact that Casey was claiming it was "her" that did the kidnapping. I know I should know this.

[Daffodil]

:thumbsup: BINGO!!!!!!!!

You know, I really don't know if she will win or not. But she can sue....

I think it would be a stretch to say she may get any money from it. But maybe, just maybe, she is doing it on principle. Maybe she and her lawyer felt somehow this lawsuit could help clear up the whole nanny story Casey has been telling.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm glad he didn't.

If Kronk would have used a real bathroom, Caylee's remains might never have been found.

IF that turns out to be his final answer, then, yes so be it. I'm still out on Mr. Kronk and his discovery process. JMO tho. :blushing:

[marshmallow]

I don't think Cindy can or should be charged with neglect of Caylee.

What bothers me is that Cindy spent so much time covering up and lying for Casey over the years it became second nature. I think Cindy's instincts, had she been accustomed to acting on those instead of on her desire to gloss over all Casey's problems, would have driven her to either insist that Casey leave Caylee behind on 6/15-16, or would have driven her to go after Casey immediately when she left the home with Caylee.

Cindy and George are Casey's parents. They knew first-hand and also instinctively what she might be capable of. But imo, they were so accustomed to keeping up the facade at any cost, that it cost them dearly.


I agree, Cindy and George did not neglect or mistreat Caylee. If anything they took over the parenting job without the custody or responsiblity. When Casey took Caylee she was breaking no laws, she was sole custodian of Caylee on paper and by law even if she wasn't in fact the person who tended her and provided for her.

[happy2bme]

Regina do you remember a media report right after the cop was fired for lying about having a relationship that 2 other officers came forward and admitted they had a relationship too? But nothing was ever mentioned again. I always wondered if it was true and who they were.


I remember that too.

[daHawg]

The documents also stated that before detectives arrived to perform a search of the back yard of Casey Anthony's parents' home. Cindy Anthony checked inside the sheds and George Anthony moved a playhouse and looked underneath concrete pavers for "any evidence of foul play," documents stated.

Missing Girl's Mom Lied, Stole From Family, Friends, Document Says (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17300779/detail.html)
Ooh Thank You so much!!!! I greatly appreciate that refresher of my mind!:thumbup:

[WillowInFlight]

oh my gosh

anyone know when we're due for the next doc dump?? :bored:

I think we heard Monday the 19th

[SavannahStar]

I don't think Cindy can or should be charged with neglect of Caylee.

What bothers me is that Cindy spent so much time covering up and lying for Casey over the years it became second nature. I think Cindy's instincts, had she been accustomed to acting on those instead of on her desire to gloss over all Casey's problems, would have driven her to either insist that Casey leave Caylee behind on 6/15-16, or would have driven her to go after Casey immediately when she left the home with Caylee.

Cindy and George are Casey's parents. They knew first-hand and also instinctively what she might be capable of. But imo, they were so accustomed to keeping up the facade at any cost, that it cost them dearly.

I don't believe for a minute they knew or even suspected she was capable of murder.

[jakee]

So do we think this woman is deliberately lying to authorities to back up D. Casey? Or is she confused? Or just a ditz? What would her motive be for saying she was the one on the phone with Dominic, if she wasn't?

Anyone?


I don't know! I asked this earlier, that in this day how can anyone not know that LE can check on phone records and such, especially a psychic!
Weird. But just maybe those phone records will come through for her???
:shrug:

[happygert]

Then she should seek employment, instead of spending her time making tv appearances, and pursuing frivilous lawsuits.

imo

Yes and there so many out there willing to hire someone who has been ACCUSED of KIDNAPPING a 2 YEAROLD... Thats why she filed the lawsuit because she lost her job THANKS TO casey and the A"S

Its aslo HIGH TIME THE A"S get there azzes back to work and stop living off their DEAD GRANDDAUGHTER BLOOD. MONEY.......JMHO..

[summer4meplz]

Could it be possible Casey "knew" this cop too? :confused:


or could it be that he is just assigned to the area.....but, yes I agree it's just another one of those "coincidences"

[Mimi428]

So do I, went back to check who was the officer that took the incident report of the "stolen gas cans" and sure enough it was Cain, Richard on June 24 2008.


WHAT?! OMG, can this case GET any more strange?

Just what the conspiracy theorists need, the LE officer taking the report of the missing gas cans is the same lazy-azz guy who won't go into the swampy area to check out the report from the meter reader.

I will be in the cranky corner again today.

We aren't even getting SIX degrees of separation - seems most days we are down to two. What a miserable coincidence.

JMO

[dgfred]

IF that turns out to be his final answer, then, yes so be it. I'm still out on Mr. Kronk and his discovery process. JMO tho. :blushing:

That is all anybody is really saying here- his story keeps changing... why?

It is curious and there is a need to question everything, however remotely feasible.
No one is really calling him a bad guy, just curious to the circumstances.
No one is saying he killed her or covering up or anything. Question of the motives and everything he has said is understandable.

[Regina.Lampert]

So Kronk was able to go potty in the swamp filled woods in august ,but not able to go into the same woods he pottied in because it was swamp filed and with snakes to boot and he was scared of snakes and killed a snake in that exact spot and he has a picture od that dead snake as proof ....so when did kronk kill that snake right there in that exact area , was he using the potty there then too .............man it would seem he hung out by that school alot ! Well yeah he did say that it was a nice shady resting spot , but he also said he focused on that spot cause he thought it was a great place to hide a body , cause it was so stinky and stuff ..............tell me did someone say that Kronks mother said just because he looks like a molestor does not mean he is one ? I don't trust men who hang out by primary schools sorry.


1. He was working his route.

2. School was not in session.

3. The picture was of a live rattler.

[SavannahStar]

lol. What do we agree on? I was just throwing the question out to the group. Can't figure what this gal's motivation is, myself. What do you think it might be?

NO CLUE! That's what I meant we agreed on.....poor wording on my part. It's very curious.

[trt]

I am adresing that his friends are supposedly now witness to MR going potty in the woods in august ,not dec.

I thought he said that he and the friends went to the wooded area to find shade, not that anyone relieved themselves in August? JMO

[joolz]

Hey mark this down: WE AGREE. WHY????????


Free National Publicity - and too stupid to realize that her statement would be checked. jmo

[~jomomma~]

*sigh* My husband is a rural carrier for the USPS. He delivers in the middle of nowhere. He knows where every public restroom is on his 72 mile a day route. His kidneys are trained to alert when a bathroom is coming up.

*applause applause* for your husband!!!

some men can't hold it very long

[playnice]

He's a man, doesn't matter how old. Men do it all the time.

Yeah. I think its their way of marking their territory.

[Dunlurken]

1. He was working his route.

2. School was not in session.

3. The picture was of a live rattler.So, who took the picture, the cop/Cain or Kronk?

jmo

[marshmallow]

In the murder of Caylee?

No.

Cindy & George have implicated themselves in covering up for Casey by lying to authorities, withholding information, & obstructing justice.


my thoughts exactly.

[WillowInFlight]

He's a man, doesn't matter how old. Men do it all the time.

Hey some women do too.

[joolz]

1. He was working his route.

2. School was not in session.

3. The picture was of a live rattler.


Thank you Regina. OP's post is both full of incorrect info and incredibly offensive innuendos. Of course, I suppose that is the intent. Bubble, bubble, etc. sigh.

[Jester]

The documents also stated that before detectives arrived to perform a search of the back yard of Casey Anthony's parents' home. Cindy Anthony checked inside the sheds and George Anthony moved a playhouse and looked underneath concrete pavers for "any evidence of foul play," documents stated.

Missing Girl's Mom Lied, Stole From Family, Friends, Document Says (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17300779/detail.html)

I hadn't heard that before. We have Casey's parents smelling death in the car, washing clothes that could be evidence, misleading the public and the police, collecting money on a ruse that Caylee is missing, but at the same time they're looking under the playhouse for their granddaughter. Unbelievable.

[CelticDawn]

How does Z think she can win, didn't team Casey say that isn't the Z that Casey was talking about? Didn't they show Casey her picture and she said no that wasn't her? Why can't every women that has that name file a suit? What did I miss that Z knows for a fact that Casey was claiming it was "her" that did the kidnapping. I know I should know this.

she was connect6ed to sawgrass apartments....it got her picked up and questioned....brought down grief for her at work and at home.....

emotionally I would say stick it to all of them....but Legally I have to question



...the other people with that name in the area must not have been affected....

[CANDYKISSES]

Don't try and talk any sense around here. :patriot:

OMG, pot-n-kettle for you Dunlurken. :rolleyes:

Don't you think John Morgan has checked his case to meet a preponderance of evidence standard? Please, there was a trail that had LE talking to ZFG, and I believe it was put out there by Casey and Sawgrass. JMO tho. :sneaky:

[really3997]

so where is this 2006 date coming from???...I couldnt find it anywhere either

:seeya: me me Cindy

[happygert]

I really don't see how she can win. Casey said it was not her and LE said the same thing. Could someone clear that up for me?

LE said she didn't exist casey LIED... Why didn't casey give a composite drawing? Because she didn't exsist... She lied.. But she did have some info on this ZFG from the application at sawgrass appartments..

[WillowInFlight]

she was connect6ed to sawgrass apartments....it got her picked up and questioned....brought down grief for her at work and at home.....

emotionally I would say stick it to all of them....but Legally I have to question



...the other people with that name in the area must not have been affected....

Thats right, Thank you so much. I don't know why I forgot the apartments were a key fact.

[ruth66]

I found another pic from later and LE tore out all of those pavers from under the playhouse. I think IMO that pic was just the start of the work from LE taking out the pavers from under the playhouse.

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/071808cayleehomesearch/1/lg/071808searchathome11.htm

So would the dogs hit on only the pavers if the body never was buried? meaning after the pavers were moved, would the dogs still hit on the ground beneath the pavers or would the dogs stop at the pavers? To me that would prove that CAYLEE'S body was placed on the pavers temporarily. Maybe while Casey was able to get the garbage bags and items together. Maybe decided not to use the shovel she borrowed because it was too much work?

Oh, for the sake of pete. Just listen to me..what does it matter CAYLEE was murdered and discarded like a piece of trash....SHE NEEDS TO BE LAID TO REST AND RECEIVE JUSTICE FOR HER TRAGIC DEATH..

JMO

[dgfred]

Morgan has most definitely checked his case to meet a preponderance of evidence standard.

The case meets the standard.

Plain as day.


So do you predict she will win her case?

[Dunlurken]

she was connect6ed to sawgrass apartments....it got her picked up and questioned....brought down grief for her at work and at home.....

emotionally I would say stick it to all of them....but Legally I have to question



...the other people with that name in the area must not have been affected....Why not? Same name, etc. So why don't they file a law suit as well. I sure wouldn't hire ANYONE with the name Zenaida Fernando Gonalez. JMO.

[desmom]

I thought he said that he and the friends went to the wooded area to find shade, not that anyone relieved themselves in August? JMO

Trt that is what I heard also. jmo

[Dunlurken]

LE said she didn't exist casey LIED... Why didn't casey give a composite drawing? Because she didn't exsist... She lied.. But she did have some info on this ZFG from the application at sawgrass appartments..

ZFG said she was there. $$$$$$$$$

[joolz]

Morgan has most definitely checked his case to meet a preponderance of evidence standard.

The case meets the standard.

Plain as day.

Plain as day to most people. Some obviously don't see very well. jmo:smile:

[CANDYKISSES]

That is all anybody is really saying here- his story keeps changing... why?

It is curious and there is a need to question everything, however remotely feasible.
No one is really calling him a bad guy, just curious to the circumstances.
No one is saying he killed her or covering up or anything. Question of the motives and everything he has said is understandable.

Right Fred, I could care less if he had been in need of the money and set an agenda to locate the body himself, (given he alleges he was a bounty hunter) and may have a feel for the mindset of the underbellies.

What would have been so wrong for him to go when he got off work in look in that area if he was hoping to find her and pay off some debt?

People from the messageboards have done so, and IIRC often LE tells homeowners to look around their property for the missing persons as a general rule.

:unsure: JMO again.

[Neffy]

LE said she didn't exist casey LIED... Why didn't casey give a composite drawing? Because she didn't exsist... She lied.. But she did have some info on this ZFG from the application at sawgrass appartments..

By the time Casey ordered her notepads and pencils it was to late to turn it over to authority's. Besides you know that stick people all look alike. :)

[dgfred]

She's mad Caylee was found is really what the truth is.

What a horrible thing to post.

[TisMeAgain]

Trying to catch up...<this is making me even nuttier than normal>....

I recall Jesse mentioning something about Zenaida gonzales and that he heard the name zenaida at the very least in 2006....Well that was TOO early for casey to have been formulating this plot of hers...wouldnt you think???.....This is so weird...!!!


Who and what ARE these people?

The para troll peeps : X <smirk>
Anything new happen the past three hours?

[Jester]

I don't believe for a minute they ever sat around and discussed what Casey might be capable of.

But as a parent, when your child has shocked you time and again with her behavior, you gain greater instinctive awareness ... and wariness. I'm sure C&G never thought for a minute, before she did it, that Casey was capable of her other crimes, either.

I find that surprising. Cindy knew that Casey stole money from her and from her parents well before the murder. Theft is criminal behavior. They knew that Casey was dishonest, and that she probably lied about working. Cindy and Casey shared a little lie when Casey was close to giving birth, when they both announced with a straight face that she was not pregnant. Dishonesty was common in the Anthony household, so how could Casey's parents not suspect that Casey was capable of criminal behavior? They had witnessed it first hand for several months prior to the murder.

[joolz]

Divert. Deflect. Da usual.


Is that a Cole Porter tune?

Serious question for anyone with a psych background: Is it possible to realize the truth (the A's immediately leaped to the conclusion that Casey killed Caylee and that is why they looked in the bakyard) and then go into denial because they can't handle that truth?

[Remy]

I completely agree. It's like the whole family was posing for the camera, trying so hard to say the right things and show the right emotions.

Where did that nasty, swearing, defiant, demanding Casey from the first phone call go?

I'm wondering if she returned on the Aug 14th visit and that's why that visit hasn't been released yet.

[ruth66]

Are you saying that KC took the time to landscape the area where she left Caylee? JMO

Heavens no, I'm saying that may have been the reason she needed the "dinnerware" (although not the proper tool). After hearing all the facts in this case I don't think I would ever believe that Casey would be willing to do anything anywhere near "laborous". She has proven that. She didn't work for over 2 years......

JMO

[CelticDawn]

:seeya: me me Cindy

May as well told me the man in the moon...:lol: How did it get here that Jesse grund said it...???


Never mind.....

[happygert]

ZFG said she was there. $$$$$$$$$

Yes so how did casey get the info? she lead LE right to her....She lied about somethings like she didnt have kids, she was rich.. but what a surprise in that casey always LIED!

[Dunlurken]

Are you kidding?

You would discriminate because of their name and heritage? You would, you just admitted it.

done

It was a joke. Get a grip. I would be suspicious though. :wub:

[kitty1182]

I'm wondering if she returned on the Aug 14th visit and that's why that visit hasn't been released yet.



You could be right...

[Anakerie]

When a poster has TROLL in their nic... I tend to ignore most of what said poster has to say.

But maybe that's just me. :shrug:
I probably should have ignored.......... **sigh**

I just don't understand why so many folks think that there is a huge conspiracy connected to Caylee's death. Just about every name that has come up in connection to this case gets painted with the co-conspirator brush. The Anthony's aren't that influential, for crying out loud. How on earth did they con so many people into helping cover up the death/murder of that poor little girl? Maybe I take people at face value too much.

[Neffy]

Are you kidding?

You would discriminate because of their name and heritage? You would, you just admitted it.

done

Thats what it sounded like to me.

Makes me want to apologize for my discriminatory remark that stick people all look alike. That was totally racist and uncalled for :)

[ruth66]

It's obvious that a lot of folks on here (who are complaining about the meter reader relieving himself in the woods) have never worked a job that involves a ROUTE. Especially a route that is mainly in a residential area. The real bathrooms are in the homes and not on every corner! Meter readers don't go knocking on doors to use the bathrooms. Believe it or not, when you're working on a route, public restrooms are far and few between!


bolding mine.

And I certainly wouldn't allow someone I didn't know into my home to use the restroom. Isn't that something we teach our children? "stranger danger"...jmo

[happygert]

By the time Casey ordered her notepads and pencils it was to late to turn it over to authority's. Besides you know that stick people all look alike. :)

ROFLMAO.....:lol:

[WillowInFlight]

Why not? Same name, etc. So why don't they file a law suit as well. I sure wouldn't hire ANYONE with the name Zenaida Fernando Gonalez. JMO.

Why not????? What has Zenaida Fernando Gonzalez done that you wouldn't hire her? It's people like you that she is suing.

[dgfred]

It matters not a whit to me. I'm interested in the depos from Casey and her folks that will result from this filing. :cool:

I doubt there will be any depo from Casey no matter what.

[summer4meplz]

So do we think this woman is deliberately lying to authorities to back up D. Casey? Or is she confused? Or just a ditz? What would her motive be for saying she was the one on the phone with Dominic, if she wasn't?

Anyone?

maybe she owed him a favor or something...yesterday someone found a possible link between dominick's business and the dowsing business....

[marshmallow]

Someone here at this message board said that Kronks mother made that statement. If thats true I don't know ,but remember it . And frankly anyone who does not find a man who parks his truck ,car ,scooter or body right by a primary school where children walk home odd are not very cautious in this day and age , well any day and age.


Sorry , since its so close to the time of getting off work , just wait the hour and go HOME to REST , don;t sit out by the primary school cat napping if LE saw you they'd tell you to leave and do not come back to that area ! There are BAD people that hang out by schools just doing whatever they do in their own mind and its scary !



someone on a message board said that Caylee was taken by aliens and Casey was framed after an alien probe went wrong .... doesn't make it true and isn't fair to imply the aliens are poor probers..

you deliberately implied something terrible about the MR with your post and I will not condone it or pretend you didn't do it. My only question is why you would deliberately post such a terrible thing.











I hope the rest of us get back on track and this deliberate rumor ends with this poster.

[playnice]

It matters not a whit to me. I'm interested in the depos from Casey and her folks that will result from this filing. :cool:

That is exactly how I feel. Just like the protesters was worth it because Casey is caught on audio dialing 911 but couldnt do it when she lost her daughter. I dont care if she wins but Im glad she filed it and glad Baez countersuited..

[True2Blues]

Free National Publicity - and too stupid to realize that her statement would be checked. jmo


I think that's it too.

[Peter]

You know, I really don't know if she will win or not. But she can sue....

I think it would be a stretch to say she may get any money from it. But maybe, just maybe, she is doing it on principle. Maybe she and her lawyer felt somehow this lawsuit could help clear up the whole nanny story Casey has been telling.

Show me a laywer that you can pay with principle. I think its all about the money...it always is.
ZG's boss should be sued if infact thats what she was fired for.
Good afternoon all.

[Dunlurken]

Thats what it sounded like to me.

Makes me want to apologize for my discriminatory remark that stick people all look alike. That was totally racist and uncalled for :)

LOL. :thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

It will probably be settled before it goes to trial.

The case will be dropped as soon as Casey publicly admits she lied about Zenaida.

Heaven knows it would be in their best interest but I don't know if they work on that underlying principle.

[Jester]

I'm wondering if she returned on the Aug 14th visit and that's why that visit hasn't been released yet.

The girls got quite the little temper, so when we see her all teary and trying so hard to say that she wants Caylee to know that "mommy loves her", then all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.

[Cheri_G]

I'm sure Casey would be very glad to see your post, if she ever could, LOL. She has always wanted the spotlight off of her. So, now Cindy, George and Lee are the ones we are talking about. Not her. JMO.

I doubt she would, since I believe she is responsible for Caylee's death. The spotlight isn't on her, read the posts here, the spotlight is on Cindy.

[Daffodil]

I am just trying to imagine my 10 year daughter walking up on something like this. Oh you can believe Sumter PD would be called to my house. Maybe I am just weird but I was not happy with this reason for being there at all. IMO

I think it would be terrible if your daughter or any other child did notice him releiving himself in the woods. I am venturing a guess that men try to make sure that no one sees them.

I would also hate for your daughter or any other child to discover Caylee's remains.

Either way, not a good choice. But it is done. Caylee is found.

I personally hate when parents let their kids relieve themselves outside rather than running in to use the bathroom!!!!!

[spiritwolf46]

Kronk was accused of kidnapping and didn't have a problem getting a job. I think Ms. Gonzales will have a difficult time convincing a jury of any damages. It will probably be dismissed before going to trial.

imo

Mr. Kronk had the job before he became part of this high profile case. Ms. Gonzales had a job that she lost BECAUSE of this high profile case. Two completely different entities.

[Remy]

The documents also stated that before detectives arrived to perform a search of the back yard of Casey Anthony's parents' home. Cindy Anthony checked inside the sheds and George Anthony moved a playhouse and looked underneath concrete pavers for "any evidence of foul play," documents stated.

Missing Girl's Mom Lied, Stole From Family, Friends, Document Says (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17300779/detail.html)

And GA also said to police that Casey knew much more than what she was telling.

[Neffy]

I did not question whether or not Conway or the Anthony's believed this psychic.

I wondered aloud who had those pictures all this time.

Anywho, since you did bring it up, Conway and/or the A's don't have to believe the psychic. They could believe what Casey told them or Baez as to where the body was. Just speculation, of course.

Did't I quote you and you had an article link? I was referring to the article :) That's what I was questioning.

[Dunlurken]

I doubt she would, since I believe she is responsible for Caylee's death. The spotlight isn't on her, read the posts here, the spotlight is on Cindy.That was my point. JMO.

Later peeps! Time to get off the puter.

[msgatorslayer]

ZFG knows Casey doesn't have anything. Her lawyers know that as well.

I don't care if the lawsuit is frivilous, or if she doesn't win her case. It is the principle. Casey, bla, bla, bla, the nanny. Everyone knows she's full of chit. Her smug, hip swingin azz, deserves to be sued by anyone who wants to retain a lawyer and sue her. For all I care.

I wish Amy would pile her lawyer up in paperwork as well. She does have a case. Though, as I said, no money from Casey to actually win.

[Lavenia]

Is that a Cole Porter tune?

Serious question for anyone with a psych background: Is it possible to realize the truth (the A's immediately leaped to the conclusion that Casey killed Caylee and that is why they looked in the bakyard) and then go into denial because they can't handle that truth?

:laugh::laugh:

[True2Blues]

Someone here at this message board said that Kronks mother made that statement. If thats true I don't know ,but remember it . And frankly anyone who does not find a man who parks his truck ,car ,scooter or body right by a primary school where children walk home odd are not very cautious in this day and age , well any day and age.


Sorry , since its so close to the time of getting off work , just wait the hour and go HOME to REST , don;t sit out by the primary school cat napping if LE saw you they'd tell you to leave and do not come back to that area ! There are BAD people that hang out by schools just doing whatever they do in their own mind and its scary !


What evidence is there that Kronk ever hung around outside the school for no reason? As I read it, the man was on his work route and stepped of into the brush to relieve himself.

[Jester]

I think it would be terrible if your daughter or any other child did notice him releiving himself in the woods. I am venturing a guess that men try to make sure that no one sees them.

I would also hate for your daughter or any other child to discover Caylee's remains.

Either way, not a good choice. But it is done. Caylee is found.

I personally hate when parents let their kids relieve themselves outside rather than running in to use the bathroom!!!!!

Would any reasonable parent allow their child to play in the woods amongst snakes, heaps of trash, and old broken toilets?

[Neffy]

You should get a grip . The players in this club have made many a speculation ! I have heard more disgusting things on this very board about all the players in this scenario then statements made that MEN who hang out by primary schools should not be trusted , that goes for ANY MAN that hangs out by a primary school ! Keyword being "MEN " read the post ! Now whomever here said that Kronks mom made that other statement may not really have heard it ,but guess what I read that HERE.....like I said you should get a grip .

ITA that was up there in the top 5 disgusting and slanderous posts I'd ever read.
I'm sure we'll be able to recognize you again if that's any concillation.

[SavannahStar]

Why not? Same name, etc. So why don't they file a law suit as well. I sure wouldn't hire ANYONE with the name Zenaida Fernando Gonalez. JMO.

I would. I don't see why not. The ZFG is a made up name, by Casey. I'm sure there are plenty of other Zenaida Gonzalezes in the U.S. who are working.

[CANDYKISSES]

I probably should have ignored.......... **sigh**

I just don't understand why so many folks think that there is a huge conspiracy connected to Caylee's death. Just about every name that has come up in connection to this case gets painted with the co-conspirator brush. The Anthony's aren't that influential, for crying out loud. How on earth did they con so many people into helping cover up the death/murder of that poor little girl? Maybe I take people at face value too much.

Let's see, thirty-one days, then not even her mother was going to report, Grandma had to IMO. Then we have confusion about when they last saw a child who LIVED WITH THEM, then we have lies and on and on.

Heck no, I can't imagine why people tend to scrutinize everything and I haven't even touched on the LE who were connected....JMOOC. :ohmy:

[happygert]

What a horrible thing to post.

I tend to agree with sedation... Lets see what have they done since Caylee has been found? Umm thinking real hard.... HUMMM ..Oh yeah I got it.. Got a CRIMINAL ATTORNEY and they've BEEN SCREAMING for IMMUNITY! ...what else have they done? They tore down Caylee's memorial....

Umm can I think of anything else? They have left CAYLEE in a CARDBOARD BOX in a COOLER in a FUNERAL home..

[Jester]

You bolstered my point. Thanks. :cool:

I must have misunderstood. I thought you posted that the parents had no reason to suspect criminal behavior prior to the murder. I think they had several reasons to suspect criminal behavior.

Apologies

[msgatorslayer]

Show me a laywer that you can pay with principle. I think its all about the money...it always is.
ZG's boss should be sued if infact thats what she was fired for.
Good afternoon all.

THIS lawyer, doesn't need payment. Take my word on that. It is nothing but free advertising for Morgan n Morgan.

His law firm is the largest in Florida.

[WillowInFlight]

And GA also said to police that Casey knew much more than what she was telling.

Did n't he say at one time he believed that she was involved in something bad?

[trich]

I find that surprising. Cindy knew that Casey stole money from her and from her parents well before the murder. Theft is criminal behavior. They knew that Casey was dishonest, and that she probably lied about working. Cindy and Casey shared a little lie when Casey was close to giving birth, when they both announced with a straight face that she was not pregnant. Dishonesty was common in the Anthony household, so how could Casey's parents not suspect that Casey was capable of criminal behavior? They had witnessed it first hand for several months prior to the murder.

I suspect it had been going on longer then several months before the murder.
I think there are many things the Anthonys knew in Casey's past that should have been a clue as to what kind of person she really was/is ...especially since it seems she was never made to accept responsibility for anything but giving birth.....and look what happened there?

[nc1948]

If they hadn't of cleaned the car I would feel sooooo much better about
them. Otherwise, I would have thought they were in denial, but after that they had to know something was terribly wrong.

To me the point of giving them the benefit of the doubt due to denial ended when Cindy searched her back yard, washed pants and car, said Casey was a psychopath (Ithink that was the term) covered for her stealing from her Grandmother and then said when we knew the truth we would vote her Mother of the Year. That is not denial. That is pure covering up as she has always done.

[?noanswer]

Someone here at this message board said that Kronks mother made that statement. If thats true I don't know ,but remember it . And frankly anyone who does not find a man who parks his truck ,car ,scooter or body right by a primary school where children walk home odd are not very cautious in this day and age , well any day and age.


Sorry , since its so close to the time of getting off work , just wait the hour and go HOME to REST , don;t sit out by the primary school cat napping if LE saw you they'd tell you to leave and do not come back to that area ! There are BAD people that hang out by schools just doing whatever they do in their own mind and its scary !

So now Kronk's mother is getting dragged into this. I can't believe all the extraneous information that is being added to this case. Just KISS. KC disappeared with Caylee. Her trunk stinks to high heaven. She has lied & lied. Caylee's body has been found. Proves Caylee is dead and most likely that KC killed her. All this other junk doesn't mean diddly squat. JMO

[spiritwolf46]

I have a question that has prolly been answered a billion times, but I have never seen it.

Why didn't Zenaida go after her employer as well, for firing her with no proof?

[Cheri_G]

I see no connection to the Garza case whatsoever. Maybe you can explain it on the Garza thread, as it's not a fit here with all the family dynamics. It's rather insulting to the Garza family. I have yet to see any of the Garza family lawyer up and seek immunity. :confused: JMO

If you use "looking for a live Caylee" as an argument that the Anthony family was "protecting" Casey, and truly believe that ,then you have to apply the same the logic to all cases which means you believe that any family with a missing family member that believes they are alive are guilty of protecting the MP's assailant. Or you could be a hypocrite and only apply the rule to certian families.

[Dells]

Been reading up:
How did Jesse and his father hear about the nanny Zenaida as far back as 2006 and Casey happen to find a person by the same name filling out an application at the apartment complex in 2008??
This case has got to have the most coincidences of any case I have ever been aware of!


I am flabberghasted by the things that I have read.

I agree. Some of the coincidences in this case are just eerie!:scared:

[Calla]

Mr. Kronk had the job before he became part of this high profile case. Ms. Gonzales had a job that she lost BECAUSE of this high profile case. Two completely different entities.

If she really lost her job andwas told it was because of this case, then I think her employer should answer for it.

Then again, if she thinks she lost her job because of this case, that is different.

[dgfred]

I tend to agree with sedation... Lets see what have they done since Caylee has been found? Umm thinking real hard.... HUMMM ..Oh yeah I got it.. Got a CRIMINAL ATTORNEY and they've BEEN SCREAMING for IMMUNITY! ...what else have they done? They tore down Caylee's memorial....

Umm can I think of anything else? They have left CAYLEE in a CARDBOARD BOX in a COOLER in a FUNERAL home..

You agree with what sedation said that another poster didn't want Caylee to be found????? I think you misread.

[spiritwolf46]

Also from the link... Casey's practically life long friend...

Ryan Pasley, a friend of Casey Anthony's, said in a statement that her mother, Cindy Anthony, told him "basically (Casey) was a sociopath."

Why would the mother of Ryan's longtime friend tell him something like that if she didn't believe it herself?

Exactly! And didn't Cindy, herself, tell LE that there had never been any problems with Casey as far as mental problems and the like?

[WillowInFlight]

I have a question that has prolly been answered a billion times, but I have never seen it.

Why didn't Zenaida go after her employer as well, for firing her with no proof?

I don't have an answer Spirit, do we know how long she worked there? Couldn't her employer be a character witness for her?

[nothingnew]

ZFG is suing casey, not the anthony family. Casey has nothing. If Casey 'acquires' something in the future, and ZFG wins, its up for grabs to settle her 'win'.

your post/question is: the anthonys homeowners insurance policy may pay out a lawsuit (if won) regarding a law suit their daughter is engaged in??????? where do these people come up with this stuff? this is not a case against the owners of the home (in fact IIRC, Cindy is the sole owner).......and what would a homeowners policy have to do with a lawsuit regarding defamation???????

best regards,
Pru

Months ago when it was first up for discussion that Zenaida should/might sue-that was the question-'WHY? casey has nothing so what would the point be?' Homeowners policy was brought up (I think that is what it was called-might have been named something else? Liability insurance? (can't remember-maybe KAT will see this and know what I am talking about). Does not matter that casey is legally an adult-she is/was a resident at the address so she would be covered, same with george because they are 'residents' of the house, doesn't matter if they are the actual homeowners. I DO NOT KNOW IF (BIG AS casey's LIES, IF) Zenaida would be able to get money through that when she wins her suit (imo). That was why I was asking-was that ever resolved? Would it be possible? Has anyone seen KatPrint?
the end
whew:smile:

[SavannahStar]

ZFG knows Casey doesn't have anything. Her lawyers know that as well.

I don't care if the lawsuit is frivilous, or if she doesn't win her case. It is the principle. Casey, bla, bla, bla, the nanny. Everyone knows she's full of chit. Her smug, hip swingin azz, deserves to be sued by anyone who wants to retain a lawyer and sue her. For all I care.

I wish Amy would pile her lawyer up in paperwork as well. She does have a case. Though, as I said, no money from Casey to actually win.


I don't understand what you are saying about Amy.....or rather why you wish that she would do that. See, I think we are a country file WAY too many lawsuits. Casey got arrested and charged for the money she stole from Amy, right? So that right there is the judicial process. IIRC, Amy was reimbursed by the bank (though I could be wrong on that). So I ask you....what MORE is necessary? LE has dealt with Casey for her crime connected to Amy; Amy has received her money back. So what would be the purpose of yet another lawsuit? "Our Litigious Society" angers me very much.......everybody's gotta get a lawyer and sue, sue, sue, over something, anything. :angry:

[Neffy]

If you use "looking for a live Caylee" as an argument that the Anthony family was "protecting" Casey, and truly believe that ,then you have to apply the same the logic to all cases which means you believe that any family with a missing family member that believes they are alive are guilty of protecting the MP's assailant. Or you could be a hypocrite and only apply the rule to certian families.

How about we just make that a blanket theory to those family's who find a hair of the person missing with a death band on it and the overwhelmingly smell of decomposition in a family members car trunk but add the caveat that said person must be missing for 31 days first.

[nc1948]

Not criminally negligent. She had no legal right to talk to Caylee, if Casey didn't allow it.


agreed, but she could have reported the car stolen when she began to worry about Caylee. She could have let her mother report the money stolen from her. Even when Cindy called 911 Casey did not understand why they wanted to talk to her. WHY. Because Mommy had always done everything. Casey had never had to take care of anything and she could not understand why the rules changed and she actually had to talk to someone. Why now.

[Dells]

I want to see CA, LA, and GA go down with their daughter for everything they put everyone through. The lies, deceit, and manipulation

They are not above the law, they cannot get away with the things they have done and should be punished also.

If any of them lied to LE and/or the FBI and hindered the investigation in any way shape or form, then I think they should be charged and dealt with. A message needs to be sent that families of accused murderers are not going to get away w/nonsense like this any longer.

[Peter]

THIS lawyer, doesn't need payment. Take my word on that. It is nothing but free advertising for Morgan n Morgan.

His law firm is the largest in Florida.

With all the billboards everywhere and continual TV ad's, does he really need anymore advertising? LOL

[Dells]

I didn't think it was a rehash at all. I think the problem is reporters are using the "sources" too loosely. We don't know how credible these sources are.

None of the lawyers came out and said no charges, correct? I may have missed it. I would think if it was true, they would be jump on the opportunity to say none of them had any involvement.

Hopefully, we'll get the official word sooner than later. For my sake, lol.

I agree w/you about the sources. We don't know how privy they are to all the information so they may not have the whole story. I think you are right when you said that the lawyers would be all over it if no charges were going to be filed.

[Mimi428]

Is that a Cole Porter tune?

Serious question for anyone with a psych background: Is it possible to realize the truth (the A's immediately leaped to the conclusion that Casey killed Caylee and that is why they looked in the bakyard) and then go into denial because they can't handle that truth?

You bet. It is cognitive dissonance. A lot of study has gone on in that area based on people involved in very restrictive religious cults - ala David Koresh, Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate & the like.

Here's a link with some excerpts - to me, you can see the entire Anthony family in all of this -

http://www.learningandteaching.info/learning/dissonance.htm

* if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning.

* and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".

Cognitive dissonance was first investigated by Leon Festinger and associates, arising out of a participant observation study of a cult which believed that the earth was going to be destroyed by a flood, and what happened to its members — particularly the really committed ones who had given up their homes and jobs to work for the cult — when the flood did not happen. While fringe members were more inclined to recognise that they had made fools of themselves and to "put it down to experience", committed members were more likely to re-interpret the evidence to show that they were right all along (the earth was not destroyed because of the faithfulness of the cult members).

Ordeal is therefore an effective — if spurious — way of conferring value on an educational (or any other) experience. "No pain, no gain", as they say.

*the more difficult it is to get on a course, the more participants are likely to value it and view it favourably regardless of its real quality.

*ditto, the more expensive it is.

*the more obscure and convoluted the subject, the more profound it must be. This has of course been exploited for years to persuade us of the existence of the emperor's clothes...

[msgatorslayer]

I don't understand what you are saying about Amy.....or rather why you wish that she would do that. See, I think we are a country file WAY too many lawsuits. Casey got arrested and charged for the money she stole from Amy, right? So that right there is the judicial process. IIRC, Amy was reimbursed by the bank (though I could be wrong on that). So I ask you....what MORE is necessary? LE has dealt with Casey for her crime connected to Amy; Amy has received her money back. So what would be the purpose of yet another lawsuit? "Our Litigious Society" angers me very much.......everybody's gotta get a lawyer and sue, sue, sue, over something, anything. :angry:

Most days, Savannah, I'd agree with ya. To many lawsuits filed, just because.

But in the case of Casey Anthony, a frivilous lawsuit doesn't make me blink. She deserves it. IMO.

[steffaroob4]

1/15/2009 a notice of provision of supplemental discovery

[trich]

So now Kronk's mother is getting dragged into this. I can't believe all the extraneous information that is being added to this case. Just KISS. KC disappeared with Caylee. Her trunk stinks to high heaven. She has lied & lied. Caylee's body has been found. Proves Caylee is dead and most likely that KC killed her. All this other junk doesn't mean diddly squat. JMO

I agree.
I also believe it is the defense and all their smoke and mirrors and trying to make people forget what this case is really all about.
IMO I think the defense is trying to manipulate others into thinking this "junk" matters.
Just stiring the pot.

[Jester]

I suspect it had been going on longer then several months before the murder.
I think there are many things the Anthonys knew in Casey's past that should have been a clue as to what kind of person she really was/is ...especially since it seems she was never made to accept responsibility for anything but giving birth.....and look what happened there?

To learn that the Anthonys were looking under the playhouse for their granddaughter, and at the same time pretending that Caylee had been abducted, we see firsthand how the parents can present two conflicting stories without any difficulty. They know that Casey is no different, and that she had a lifetime of learning how to present conflicting statements without any concern for consequence.

[spiritwolf46]

I don't have an answer Spirit, do we know how long she worked there? Couldn't her employer be a character witness for her?

Good questions. Not too sure how long she worked with who fired her, but one would think that they would be another one she could go after.

I would think that her employer could be a character witness for her, but how would that stand since they fired her?

I duuno. I feel bad for her and all that has had their lives turned upside down by Casey.

[Daffodil]

Not sure what the legal term is for it, but it was decided last week that Casey will, indeed, answer the request ... in writing. :cool:

Her parents will also be deposed and/or will be required to submit answers, in writing.

Do you have any idea when we would be able to see their answers?

[CANDYKISSES]

I must have misunderstood. I thought you posted that the parents had no reason to suspect criminal behavior prior to the murder. I think they had several reasons to suspect criminal behavior.

Apologies

ITA and that's why they would look under the playhouse for their live grandchild IMHO. :angry:

[msgatorslayer]

With all the billboards everywhere and continual TV ad's, does he really need anymore advertising? LOL

LMAO, let me rephrase that. It is free National Advertising. "For the People".

I just noticed this morning that his firm sponsors Tampa Bays 10 weather video feeds.:wink: The guy is everywhere!!!

[dgfred]

Not sure what the legal term is for it, but it was decided last week that Casey will, indeed, answer the request ... in writing. :cool:

Her parents will also be deposed and/or will be required to submit answers, in writing.

But when she refuses, what's going to happen?

[Calla]

Florida is a 'hire & fire at will' state.

That might be the reason.

As long as the employer just said something like "it's not working out", I could see that because I live in an at will state too..but to name that as the reason I think would be over the line. JMO of course

[Cheri_G]

How about we just make that a blanket theory to those family's who find a hair of the person missing with a death band on it and the overwhelmingly smell of decomposition in a family members car trunk but add the caveat that said person must be missing for 31 days first.

How about you just try to make sense? If you are arguing that Casey is likely guilty of killing Caylee, then I argree, that is probably so. If you are arguing that this evidence somehow makes Cindy Anthony guilty of anyhing, then I disagree.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Yes ITA.. Not only that they were SHOCKED when Mr. Kronk found Caylee.....in the same area that there own PI was looking .. They probably were furious that DC didn't find her.. They haven't made a peep since then... But I'd like to have been a fly on there wall when they seen him next! They KNEW where Caylee was..so when they got that call. They knew they found her....The next call they made was to a CRIMINAL ATTORNEY.... and started SREAMING for IMMUNITY! INNOCENT PEOPLE DON"T NEED IMMUNITY!! I say D.A's NO IMMUNITY!
I might have felt different if they had went and told where Caylee was.....BUT NO, they just left her rot.. and COVERED for casey....JMHO... now they just leave her in a cardboard box in a cooler..

IIRC, DC & JH provided transportation for the A's from to Ritz to the A's home on Hopespring after the A's returned from California and the Suburban Rd discovery.
jmo

[SavannahStar]

Florida is a 'hire & fire at will' state.

That might be the reason.

We need to know more about her employment:

http://www.akers-boswell.com/yl/atwill.html

Florida employment law is based on the general rule that any employee may be discharged by the employer, or may leave the job, for any reason whatsoever, or for no reason. In other words, an employer in Florida may hire and fire any employee at any time for any reason. It doesn’t matter if there is no reason, a bad reason, a good reason, or just the result of a whimsical decision. Likewise, the employee is free to quit a job at any time without any reason and without any notice. THERE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ANY REASON FOR FIRING OR FOR QUITTING. This is referred to in the law as the “Employment at Will” doctrine.

The above “employment at will” relationship between an employer and an employee changes if there is an employment contract between the parties. Then the relationship is governed by the terms of the contract.


Of course, even in an “employment at will” state such as Florida, an employer covered by specific federal and state laws governing employer / employee relations, cannot discharge or attempt to discharge or take any adverse employment action regarding an employee that violates such law(s). All of those statutes and laws are too numerous to discuss on this website.

[?noanswer]

I have a question that has prolly been answered a billion times, but I have never seen it.

Why didn't Zenaida go after her employer as well, for firing her with no proof?

She might have. She could have contacted the EEOC and they would do all the work for her. They don't publicize what they do. For all we know the employer could have settled with her by this time. JMO

[spiritwolf46]

Oh... well... Cindy lied.

Although... Cindy may have been telling the truth when she said Casey has never been diagnosed with any mental problems.

Seems Cindy diagnosed Casey all on her own with no help from professionals.


Yep! So true. I just cannot help to think how different things may have been, had Cindy or George gotten Casey help a long long time ago.

I can't help to think that Casey and company are going to turn on Cindy and George as well. This will be SOME trial, me thinks!

[trt]

I don't believe for a minute they knew or even suspected she was capable of murder.

So your opinion is that they were thinking that Casey had hidden a LIVE Caylee UNDER pavers and UNDER the playhouse in their backyard?

George also admits that he didn't want to believe that his daughter was capable of murder, but he admits that he did think it. JMO

[desmom]

TY- it was said that he went back to this spot in DECEMBER to relieve himself. Not because this is the same area where he had drawn attention to before but that potentially, until it was uncovered, because he needed to go to the bathroom. So why when he was asked did he say at first that it was to go to the bathroom and afterwards, I believe almost 4 days later, it is broke on the news that he had been there before. IMO- the reason he was there is to check it out again , not to go to the bathroom. Why not just say that instead of potentially making up a story as to WHY you were there. IMOOO

Why would you not just tell LE that you were there rechecking the area on company time because you felt you were mistreated by LE in previous calls???????? IMO

The info about his calls to LE in August hit the media December 18.

Kronk made his lst statement to the media on December 19.

The lst time I heard Kronk say he stopped there to go to the bathroom was in the GMA interview Tuesday, January 13.

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

She might have. She could have contacted the EEOC and they would do all the work for her. They don't publicize what they do. For all we know the employer could have settled with her by this time. JMO

Gotcha! Thank you! :)

[joolz]

You bet. It is cognitive dissonance. A lot of study has gone on in that area based on people involved in very restrictive religious cults - ala David Koresh, Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate & the like.

Here's a link with some excerpts - to me, you can see the entire Anthony family in all of this -

http://www.learningandteaching.info/learning/dissonance.htm

* if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning.

* and—counter-intuitively, perhaps—if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are less likely to concede that the content of what has been learned is useless, pointless or valueless. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned".

Cognitive dissonance was first investigated by Leon Festinger and associates, arising out of a participant observation study of a cult which believed that the earth was going to be destroyed by a flood, and what happened to its members — particularly the really committed ones who had given up their homes and jobs to work for the cult — when the flood did not happen. While fringe members were more inclined to recognise that they had made fools of themselves and to "put it down to experience", committed members were more likely to re-interpret the evidence to show that they were right all along (the earth was not destroyed because of the faithfulness of the cult members).

Ordeal is therefore an effective — if spurious — way of conferring value on an educational (or any other) experience. "No pain, no gain", as they say.

*the more difficult it is to get on a course, the more participants are likely to value it and view it favourably regardless of its real quality.

*ditto, the more expensive it is.

*the more obscure and convoluted the subject, the more profound it must be. This has of course been exploited for years to persuade us of the existence of the emperor's clothes...

Thank you Mimi! I've bookmarked the link and will read it later. It's funny, I know a bit about cognitive dissonance but never put it together with what I was asking about denial - sounds exactly right to me.:thumbup:

[Regina.Lampert]

The documents also stated that before detectives arrived to perform a search of the back yard of Casey Anthony's parents' home. Cindy Anthony checked inside the sheds and George Anthony moved a playhouse and looked underneath concrete pavers for "any evidence of foul play," documents stated.

Missing Girl's Mom Lied, Stole From Family, Friends, Document Says (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/17300779/detail.html)

Thanks for posting this. I always wondered exactly why casey anthony borrowed that shovel. Could it have been to remove a paver, to put in the bag, or on top of the bag to weigh it down.

If mommy and daddy noticed one was missing, that could explain their frantic search under the playhouse and moving pavers around, imo.

I would love it if a paver from the crimescene, matched those in the anthony yard.

One thing that is certain, the odious creature did not borrow that shovel to remove bamboo from the yard, that was another cynthia lie, imo.

[Jester]

Exactly! And didn't Cindy, herself, tell LE that there had never been any problems with Casey as far as mental problems and the like?

I'm not convinced Cindy can distinguish between normal behavior and mental problems. A nurse who denies that her 7 month obviously pregnant daughter is not pregnant has mental problems.

[Lavenia]

She might have. She could have contacted the EEOC and they would do all the work for her. They don't publicize what they do. For all we know the employer could have settled with her by this time. JMO

EEOC would only handle this if she had been discriminated against though, huh?

[WillowInFlight]

Right to work state makes all the difference. No reason is needed. IMO

I know and that stinks IMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Exactly! And didn't Cindy, herself, tell LE that there had never been any problems with Casey as far as mental problems and the like?

Now, now Spirit, that was because it was self-serving IMO. Cindy likes to show a perfect picture IMO. :unsure:

[happygert]

And GA also said to police that Casey knew much more than what she was telling.

GA also said "IF I LOST MY GRANDDAUGHTER THEN I'VE ALSO LOST MY DAUGHTER"

That tells me he knew that Caylee was dead..and casey was the one who killed Caylee....

[Neffy]

How about you just try to make sense? If you are arguing that Casey is likely guilty of killing Caylee, then I argree, that is probably so. If you are arguing that this evidence somehow makes Cindy Anthony guilty of anyhing, then I disagree.


How about you not changing the question to what I responded to and applying it to something else. :)

[Claire]

GA also said "IF I LOST MY GRANDDAUGHTER THEN I'VE ALSO LOST MY DAUGHTER"

That tells me he knew that Caylee was dead..and casey was the one who killed Caylee....

Hi, Happy! Wow! Doesn't that speak volumes! Good catch! :thumbup:

[spiritwolf46]

I'm not convinced Cindy can distinguish between normal behavior and mental problems. A nurse who denies that her 7 month obviously pregnant daughter is not pregnant has mental problems.

I completely agree. But she sure does talk out of both sides of her mouth, doesn't she? She thinks that she is being sneaky and lies will go unnoticed. Have news for her. Most have her number all the way around! ;)

[Calla]

That was an interesting term she chose ... sociopath. Not liar. Not thief. Not high-school drop out. Not unemployed slacker. Not even bad mother. She used the term sociopath to describe her daughter.

Makes one tend to believe Cindy, the nurse, had a much deeper, clearer understanding of Casey's potential for criminal behavior than some would like to believe.

But wasn't she in therapy or counseling herself with a counselor telling her to cut the support from her daughter? Maybe the counselor led her to that realization.....??

[Barbara fl.]

I don't understand what you are saying about Amy.....or rather why you wish that she would do that. See, I think we are a country file WAY too many lawsuits. Casey got arrested and charged for the money she stole from Amy, right? So that right there is the judicial process. IIRC, Amy was reimbursed by the bank (though I could be wrong on that). So I ask you....what MORE is necessary? LE has dealt with Casey for her crime connected to Amy; Amy has received her money back. So what would be the purpose of yet another lawsuit? "Our Litigious Society" angers me very much.......everybody's gotta get a lawyer and sue, sue, sue, over something, anything. :angry:


Sueing is the non violent way of getting your point across and getting at the one who has wronged you.....violent people use other tactics....I am all for sueing, if it is really something to sue over....

If we didn't have law suits, we would probably have alot more violence in our already violent society.....JMO

[Lavenia]

GA also said "IF I LOST MY GRANDDAUGHTER THEN I'VE ALSO LOST MY DAUGHTER"

That tells me he knew that Caylee was dead..and casey was the one who killed Caylee....

Yes indeed. That did ring bells in my little head.

[Jester]

I do not need permission from you to speculate on my own personal feelings that it is scary when someone rest themselves , relieves themselves on work hours out by a primary school ! Furthermore I don't care whether or not you condone it . Cindy Anthony has no mental record of being unstable , a sociopath , a money grubing sick woman either , and more deplorable things ,but all have said as much .


SO whats your point , you can be picky and choosy ? If you don't like my thoughts skip and scroll.

I would have to disagree with the "unstable" part. The nurse claimed that her daughter was not pregnant even though her daughter's pregnant belly was protruding like a basketball. Clearly there is something seriously wrong with the nurse's judgment.

As for money grubbing, we also know that after George walked out of the marriage, Cindy realized George had some claim to the house, she decided to patch up the marriage rather than let him have any money.

[Calla]

Right to work state makes all the difference. No reason is needed. IMO

But I think you must be careful about giving a reason when that is the case. Don't you?

[desmom]

Deputy In Caylee Case Reassigned
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/15/deputy_in_caylee_case_reassigned.html

Deputy Richard Cain was removed from his uniformed duties and had to surrender his badge, gun, and radio.

[Anakerie]

Thanks for posting this. I always wondered exactly why casey anthony borrowed that shovel. Could it have been to remove a paver, to put in the bag, or on top of the bag to weigh it down.

If mommy and daddy noticed one was missing, that could explain their frantic search under the playhouse and moving pavers around, imo.

I would love it if a paver from the crimescene, matched those in the anthony yard.

One thing that is certain, the odious creature did not borrow that shovel to remove bamboo from the yard, that was another cynthia lie, imo.

There had to be something there at the scene where Caylee's remains were that prompted the investigators to close off the Anthony home and declare it a "crime scene" so fast.

The news hit that remains had been found and it wasn't long after that when the cops were there at the house sending Mallory away. I'm thinking there was something very obvious with or near the remains that pointed directly back to the house. And I'm sure we probably won't hear what that obvious clue was until this all goes to trial. Darn it.

[Jester]

ITA and that's why they would look under the playhouse for their live grandchild IMHO. :angry:

Exactly. Great example of what the Anthonys knew their daughter was capable of doing.

[Lavenia]

Deputy In Caylee Case Reassigned
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/15/deputy_in_caylee_case_reassigned.html

Deputy Richard Cain was removed from his uniformed duties and had to surrender his badge, gun, and radio.

And another one bites the dust.

[Claire]

Exactly. Great example of what the Anthonys knew their daughter was capable of doing.

And one step further, knew their granddaughter was dead.

[desmom]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

[SavannahStar]

So your opinion is that they were thinking that Casey had hidden a LIVE Caylee UNDER pavers and UNDER the playhouse in their backyard?

George also admits that he didn't want to believe that his daughter was capable of murder, but he admits that he did think it. JMO

You should read the post I was responding to......TIA.

[CANDYKISSES]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

Another victim of the Anthony clan. JUMO. :mad:

[Neffy]

Thanks for posting this. I always wondered exactly why casey anthony borrowed that shovel. Could it have been to remove a paver, to put in the bag, or on top of the bag to weigh it down.

If mommy and daddy noticed one was missing, that could explain their frantic search under the playhouse and moving pavers around, imo.

I would love it if a paver from the crimescene, matched those in the anthony yard.

One thing that is certain, the odious creature did not borrow that shovel to remove bamboo from the yard, that was another cynthia lie, imo.


Ah yes. The bamboo removal return --- that was a classic.

[n/t]

Deputy In Caylee Case Reassigned
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/15/deputy_in_caylee_case_reassigned.html

Deputy Richard Cain was removed from his uniformed duties and had to surrender his badge, gun, and radio.

Good move on their part. Thanks for the link.

[happygert]

You agree with what sedation said that another poster didn't want Caylee to be found????? I think you misread.

Wasn't that cindy didn't want Caylee found?? ...If that was the statement then yes ITA..... Once Caylee was found all donations would stop.. Once Caylee was found CA and GA couldn't be screaming that there was sightings...... Once Caylee was found they knew this no body, no case would take a different turn...... No body = reasonable doubt would be gone...... Do I believe that ca and ga knew Caylee was dead ?yes I do.. ....Do I believe they knew where Caylee was? Yes I do.
Do I believe CA and GA sent DC and JH out to see if they could find Caylee's body? YES I do... My thoughts what they were going to do once they found Caylee's body are NOT GOOD!...IMO they were going to move her so no one would find her..JMHO!

[WillowInFlight]

GA also said "IF I LOST MY GRANDDAUGHTER THEN I'VE ALSO LOST MY DAUGHTER"

That tells me he knew that Caylee was dead..and casey was the one who killed Caylee....

Do you think that will come out during the trial, what I mean is do you think he could be asked what he meant by that statement?

[happy2bme]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EquuSearch, has told the Orlando Sentinel that getting his group involved in the Caylee Marie Anthony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crimes/caylee-anthony-PECLB004332.topic) case might be one of the biggest mistakes he's made for the organization.

In a recent interview with the Sentinel, Miller said that so many resources were used and so much money spent on Caylee's case, they now don't have enough to assist all the other people who contact EquuSearch for help.



How sad is that?

[desmom]

Deputy In Caylee Investigation Reassigned
http://www.wesh.com/news/18487834/detail.html

Deputy Richard Cain was reassigned to the agency's material control and supply section. He also was forced to surrender his badge, gun and other equipment -- and not to engage in law enforcement action on or off duty.

[Anakerie]

And another one bites the dust.

Lordy... I am tempted to dig out my Queen CD and play that song... That makes two officer's careers ruined by this case... How many more to come?

[~jomomma~]

Deputy In Caylee Case Reassigned
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/15/deputy_in_caylee_case_reassigned.html

Deputy Richard Cain was removed from his uniformed duties and had to surrender his badge, gun, and radio.

WOW!!!

anybody know how old this guy is?

[Remy]

maybe she owed him a favor or something...yesterday someone found a possible link between dominick's business and the dowsing business....

Kathy Belich also mentioned on NG that she had charged a person $5,000 to locate their missing person in the past (and gave them useless clues).

So, if she can take credit for finding Caylee how many other desperate parents, families would be willing to pay that and more. Follow the money...imo

[5boxersmom]

Another demonstration of the pathology...

Cindy telling Casey that Caylee was her (Casey's) best mistake. Paraphrased.

Why? Why would anyone refer to Caylee as a mistake, good or bad?

It makes no sense. Not even as a joke.

So sad.

It is also how they still were talking about who held Caylee first 2 1/2 years later. I never did see why it was such a big deal. But to them two it was. Seems like Caylee was a pawn.

jmo

[Jester]

I completely agree. But she sure does talk out of both sides of her mouth, doesn't she? She thinks that she is being sneaky and lies will go unnoticed. Have news for her. Most have her number all the way around! ;)

I can't quite understand how she thinks. She lies, she knows she lies, yet she expects people not to notice the lies. Casey does the same thing. It might be some sort of arrogance where they think people are stupid and don't notice. That in itself shows mental deficiency.

[kitty1182]

Ah yes. The bamboo removal return --- that was a classic.

Sure was.....Her daughter as she said was already kidnapped by the nanny..So she is gonna dig up bamboo, just in case the nanny brings her back to the house? lol

[spiritwolf46]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

Thanks Desmom. How sad is this? ANYone who has been involved in this case has been ruined somehow! It is like a curse being around the Anthony's, and I mean ALL OF THEM! (except Caylee, of course).

[Neffy]

Deputy In Caylee Case Reassigned
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/15/deputy_in_caylee_case_reassigned.html

Deputy Richard Cain was removed from his uniformed duties and had to surrender his badge, gun, and radio.

:eek:

Wow. Sounds like they believed what Kronk said finding him credibile.

[kitty1182]

This is so terribly sad.

Very sad..

[Remy]

The girls got quite the little temper, so when we see her all teary and trying so hard to say that she wants Caylee to know that "mommy loves her", then all the world's a stage, and all the men and women merely players.

Hey, I was thinking the same quote :wub: I also don't believe that Casey was the least afraid of Cindy either. Casey was only afraid of getting caught.

[CC I See]

You may be right, I am still trying to fit the kitchen knife (butter knife) into all this...

JMO
A person could use this kind of knife to do several things a screw driver would do. Pry things up, open or move objects around that can't be reached by hand or by fingers. Although it wouldn't be sharp enough to cut duct tape, it could be used to pry open something that had a latch or was nailed. I understand there was an abandoned house in the area, this knife could be used to pry open a door or window or latch. It could be used to break into a car if the door lock was the right type. Many Ford trucks have locks that can be opened with such a jab to the lock although car thieves usually use a screw driver for this kind of break in.

[Daffodil]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

I admit that I did not read this link yet. I won't have time to right now. But maybe TES can sue the whole crazy bunch and even their lawyers to boot!!!!!

Drained by one case............man, how other families could have used their help.

[daHawg]

There had to be something there at the scene where Caylee's remains were that prompted the investigators to close off the Anthony home and declare it a "crime scene" so fast.

The news hit that remains had been found and it wasn't long after that when the cops were there at the house sending Mallory away. I'm thinking there was something very obvious with or near the remains that pointed directly back to the house. And I'm sure we probably won't hear what that obvious clue was until this all goes to trial. Darn it.
Oh yes I agree and I think there was quite a bit both inside and outside. One being the pavers. I recall one of the news reporters saying that all the flashes going off in the backyard the night of the search warrant reminded him of a red carpet event at a movie premiere there was so many flashes going off. LE was taking a ton of pics in the back yard that night and evidence not just inside the house. IMO

[happygert]

ZFG knows Casey doesn't have anything. Her lawyers know that as well.

I don't care if the lawsuit is frivilous, or if she doesn't win her case. It is the principle. Casey, bla, bla, bla, the nanny. Everyone knows she's full of chit. Her smug, hip swingin azz, deserves to be sued by anyone who wants to retain a lawyer and sue her. For all I care.

I wish Amy would pile her lawyer up in paperwork as well. She does have a case. Though, as I said, no money from Casey to actually win.

ITA:beer::beer:

[Lavenia]

Lordy... I am tempted to dig out my Queen CD and play that song... That makes two officer's careers ruined by this case... How many more to come?

(I had written out the whole song practically, realized I got carried away, then deleted, lol)

Just think of how many people's lives are badly affected. Of course the A's lives are ruined, but all those kids that knew Casey (I call anyone younger than me kids, sorry) but they were much too young to have been faced with such a tragedy and such pathology. So, so many lives are permanently altered by Casey's actions. :cursing:

[Calla]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EquuSearch, has told the Orlando Sentinel that getting his group involved in the Caylee Marie Anthony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crimes/caylee-anthony-PECLB004332.topic) case might be one of the biggest mistakes he's made for the organization.

In a recent interview with the Sentinel, Miller said that so many resources were used and so much money spent on Caylee's case, they now don't have enough to assist all the other people who contact EquuSearch for help.



How sad is that?

Extremely....

I think Tim needs to consider making up another branch for his team..with Mark Klass and people like that, who can go in and kind of do their own "look see" before he expends so much money and effort.
We know that TIm and Mark (to name 2) are really good at making the determination early on if something is afoul, and IIR they both sensed there was no live child to be found. Not to say that they don't or didn't do a 'look see' ..but maybe he needs to revisti what determines the effort they expend. That is sad in itself, since time is usually of the essence. I would say after 31 days..that does not apply.

[Daffodil]

Another demonstration of the pathology...

Cindy telling Casey that Caylee was her (Casey's) best mistake. Paraphrased.

Why? Why would anyone refer to Caylee as a mistake, good or bad?

It makes no sense. Not even as a joke.

Thank you landshark. That has ALWAYS bothered me. How could a loving grandmother refer to her grand daughter that way??????

[Jester]

Another demonstration of the pathology...

Cindy telling Casey that Caylee was her (Casey's) best mistake. Paraphrased.

Why? Why would anyone refer to Caylee as a mistake, good or bad?

It makes no sense. Not even as a joke.

Weren't those the words Cindy used when Casey gave birth? Maybe Lee was a planned pregnancy, and Casey was an accident. Perhaps Casey was reminded of that throughout her life.

[spiritwolf46]

snipped respectfully for this sentence...

Drained by one case............man, how other families could have used their help.


You are so right and how other families would have appreciated Tim Miller and hise volunteers where the Anthony's didn't.

:cursing:

[Neffy]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

OH no! I recall an article while they were in Blanchard Park that they were up to $75,000.00 then.

Look at that high priced team of publicity hounds Baez secured. Anthony's were able to no longer work.

This makes me sick.

[kitty1182]

(I had written out the whole song practically, realized I got carried away, then deleted, lol)

Just think of how many people's lives are badly affected. Of course the A's lives are ruined, but all those kids that knew Casey (I call anyone younger than me kids, sorry) but they were much too young to have been faced with such a tragedy and such pathology. So, so many lives are permanently altered by Casey's actions. :cursing:



And, imo, Casey could care less...:cursing:

[cassidy]

This is so terribly sad.

What a huge ripple effect Casey's lies set in motion.

[CelticDawn]

Sure was.....Her daughter as she said was already kidnapped by the nanny..So she is gonna dig up bamboo, just in case the nanny brings her back to the house? lol

but but but if she was already kidnapped and SO LONG AGO....and they were working on the pavers project subsequent to said kidnapping....then WHY would they then look UNDER the pavers for a LIVE <no less> caylee...???

....and Since she was already kidnapped....WHY were they looking in the shed...???


where exactly on that property did the dogs hit...???

[Cheri_G]

How about you not changing the question to what I responded to and applying it to something else. :)

I didn't change anyhing.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I'm wondering if she returned on the Aug 14th visit and that's why that visit hasn't been released yet.

Perhaps a very long soliloquy or just a cameo appearance, IMO.

[n/t]

From the link...

Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EquuSearch, has told the Orlando Sentinel that getting his group involved in the Caylee Marie Anthony case might be one of the biggest mistakes he's made for the organization.

I must disagree with Tim. It is never a mistake for a search organization to get involved in a missing child's case.

Although... Caylee was never missing. She is & has been a murder victim the whole time.

Good to hear Tim say this → "I don't regret anything and I certainly do remember what this is about -- and it's Caylee Anthony."

I think what he's saying is he overspent whatever he normally does on a missing persons case. Money, resources, etc. I don't think he means taking this case was a big mistake. That's the way I interpreted it. I'm sure he's very frustrated. Not only did he pour out his blood, sweat and tears, he had to get a lawyer because of this case.

I'm sure this is the first case that he's ever had to do that. What a shame! It all could've been avoided by ONE person. I'd be pretty pissed off too.

[Lavenia]

A person could use this kind of knife to do several things a screw driver would do. Pry things up, open or move objects around that can't be reached by hand or by fingers. Although it wouldn't be sharp enough to cut duct tape, it could be used to pry open something that had a latch or was nailed. I understand there was an abandoned house in the area, this knife could be used to pry open a door or window or latch. It could be used to break into a car if the door lock was the right type. Many Ford trucks have locks that can be opened with such a jab to the lock although car thieves usually use a screw driver for this kind of break in.

I hate to admit it but I had a dinner knife in my car for almost a month. I had my GPS thing mounted on my dash and I wanted to move the sticky disc over some. I was using a dinner knife to pry it. One of the kids came to the car and asked to go somewhere and the knife took a ride. (Until I got tired of seeing it and took it out.)

[Daffodil]

Another victim of the Anthony clan. JUMO. :mad:

Okay, I did read the article. I hope Tim Miller realizes that he did not make a mistake. I belieive he did the best he could. His heart was in it. He was brought down by forces out of his control.

We usually send in a monthly donation to our local help/shelters. I think this month we will send it to TES in Caylee's memory.

I have emailed Tim during this whole ordeal to thank him for helping to find Caylee. It might be a good time for us to send him encouraging messages.

[happygert]

1/15/2009 a notice of provision of supplemental discovery

New motion filed?

[Peter]

LMAO, let me rephrase that. It is free National Advertising. "For the People".

I just noticed this morning that his firm sponsors Tampa Bays 10 weather video feeds.:wink: The guy is everywhere!!!

Yep, His mug is even on the cover of my phone book!

[Lavenia]

And, imo, Casey could care less...:cursing:

Could not EVEN be bothered. I agree. :mad:

[bluwaters]

Sorry if these have already been posted:

Pictures where Caylee found show items psychic saw
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8256004&version=5&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Deputy In Caylee Case Reassigned
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/15/deputy_in_caylee_case_reassigned.html

Deputy reassigned until Caylee Anthony investigation ends
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011509,0,1746709.story

Deputy In Caylee Investigation Reassigned
Cain Moved To Supply Section
http://www.wesh.com/news/18487834/detail.html

Deputy Involved In Caylee Tip Removed From Duties
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18487707/detail.html#-

EquuSearch Leader Hires Anthonys' Ex-Attorney
http://www.wftv.com/news/18486074/detail.html#-

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

[WillowInFlight]

Weren't those the words Cindy used when Casey gave birth? Maybe Lee was a planned pregnancy, and Casey was an accident. Perhaps Casey was reminded of that throughout her life.

That could very well be, I think Cindy and Casey resented each other from day one.

[True2Blues]

snipped respectfully for this sentence...




You are so right and how other families would have appreciated Tim Miller and hise volunteers where the Anthony's didn't.

:cursing:


But Tim Miller knows that the Anthonys just don't matter. All that mattered was Caylee. That's what makes him who he is and why he does what he does.

[Jester]

Hey, I was thinking the same quote :wub: I also don't believe that Casey was the least afraid of Cindy either. Casey was only afraid of getting caught.

Good old Shakespeare. Casey thought she had everyone under control from the beginning. I don't think she expected to be arrested. She probably expected the police to chase after the imaginary nanny and let her party hard.

[Remy]

Did n't he say at one time he believed that she was involved in something bad?

He most certainly did allude to that. There is no way with him being unemployed for so long that he did not know she wasn't working.

If you had even an inkling your child was lying and taking advantage of you would you not follow them even once? Track the km's on the cars (sorry miles in the US).

People who work and have no bills to pay don't have a reason to steal money imo. George is as much as a liar as Cindy he's just better at hiding it moo.

[Calla]

We've seen no actual proof Cindy saw a counselor, and the stuff we have seen seems to indicate she saw one perhaps once. I don't put much stock in the Cindy-saw-a-counselor thing, myself.

Yeah I see

But then again there are a lot of things we have no actual proof of.

I won't go into them all though because I am just too busy at this time.:biggrin:

[Calla]

He most certainly did allude to that. There is no way with him being unemployed for so long that he did not know she wasn't working.

If you had even an inkling your child was lying and taking advantage of you would you not follow them even once? Track the km's on the cars (sorry miles in the US).

People who work and have no bills to pay don't have a reason to steal money imo. George is as much as a liar as Cindy he's just better at hiding it moo.


I think there is so much to be 'learned' as this saga goes on.

Casey's behavior..

The odd times she called and texted people..
The excitement over the party scene ..
The stealing..
Not working..
Lying..

I know we have come to the conclusion that she is likely a sociopath..and her mother agrees obviously.
But I think her behavior is so indicative of drug use. I say this based on my long (drawn out) very personal experience with drug users.
I have had relative who would have sold their children because of it..otherwise, they appeared normal and looked nothing like the photos they show of the damage those things can do. I think it is possible that she was in the early stages of experimenting. Shall we say..crack maybe. I do know that I read a little something about her telling someone she had been doing drugs.

not saying its true just speculating as always

[trich]

(I had written out the whole song practically, realized I got carried away, then deleted, lol)

Just think of how many people's lives are badly affected. Of course the A's lives are ruined, but all those kids that knew Casey (I call anyone younger than me kids, sorry) but they were much too young to have been faced with such a tragedy and such pathology. So, so many lives are permanently altered by Casey's actions. :cursing:

I agree....but because of this sad tragedy I hope these "kids" have learned important lessons about human nature.
About being so trustworthy etc.

[happygert]

IIRC, DC & JH provided transportation for the A's from to Ritz to the A's home on Hopespring after the A's returned from California and the Suburban Rd discovery.
jmo

Yes they did .. They even took them to get the dogs ... But I'd still like to be a fly in there.....lol.. I can alsmot bet you cindy wasn't slient about it.....:no:

[Jester]

You're singing my tune, Jester. :smile:

I've stopped speed reading :wink:

[happygert]

Hi, Happy! Wow! Doesn't that speak volumes! Good catch! :thumbup:

Volumes....Loud and clear...

[Daffodil]

We've seen no actual proof Cindy saw a counselor, and the stuff we have seen seems to indicate she saw one perhaps once. I don't put much stock in the Cindy-saw-a-counselor thing, myself.

I agree. If Cindy said it...................

[True2Blues]

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Cindy's reason was two-fold:


To browbeat Casey about getting pregnant
To let Casey know that while Caylee was a "mistake" she (Cindy) actually preferred the mistake to Casey



I don't think Cindy is the type to let anyone forget that they'd done something wrong. She strikes me as the type to rub Casey's face in it for all of her life.

[trt]

If you use "looking for a live Caylee" as an argument that the Anthony family was "protecting" Casey, and truly believe that ,then you have to apply the same the logic to all cases which means you believe that any family with a missing family member that believes they are alive are guilty of protecting the MP's assailant. Or you could be a hypocrite and only apply the rule to certian families.

Actually, the argument is that the Anthonys were LYING about looking for a live Caylee, hence they were trying to protect Casey. Not familiar with the case you are speaking of, but if this family has lied and covered for anyone as a part of them looking for their loved one alive, then yes, it would apply. I doubt they have, though. I've not seen anything like this.

You don't look for living people UNDERNEATH pavers and in wooded areas and abandoned homes. Hence the Anthonys were putting on a ruse to the public and LE that they were looking for a live Caylee, all the while looking for a dead Caylee. JMO

[Jester]

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Cindy's reason was two-fold:


To browbeat Casey about getting pregnant
To let Casey know that while Caylee was a "mistake" she (Cindy) actually preferred the mistake to Casey


That's what I'm thinking too. Casey seems to want attention and approval from her parents, something I doubt she got. It's almost as though she became more and more outrageous in the months preceding the murder, hoping and expecting her parents to do something, but they didn't.

[really3997]

Is it just me or does anyone else in the Orlando market think that there is a lot more advertising for ZG's attorney on TV now?

No seems to be the same to me...

[cuddlyrunner]

Apart from the obvious tragedy of this poor baby being murdered, it is so sad to see how many other lives are now ruined because of Casey's actions.Jesse Grund and Tony Lazzaro forever known as her ex boyfriends, let's face it would you want to employ them knowing they are going to need a long time off for the trial and their now infamy will follow them. Poor Jesse,

All her friends face having their private lives revealed in the press, the meter reader is being vilified, etc. I definitely wouldn't ever want to get involved however innocently because of the media frenzy.

[Jester]

Okay, you're in my head, right?

I've been saying arrogance from Day 31. Seriously. :thumbup:

It seems we're definitely on the same wavelength ... gotta get some work done ...

later ...

[Mimi428]

Thank you Mimi! I've bookmarked the link and will read it later. It's funny, I know a bit about cognitive dissonance but never put it together with what I was asking about denial - sounds exactly right to me.:thumbup:

You are very welcome. There are a lot of articles online about it, but so many of them are only concerned with the usual, plain vanilla variety forms - like all the ways people keep up with habits they know are bad for them - an example being the person who loves ice cream, needs to lose weight, but thinks up all sorts of reasons why they should NOT give up eating ice cream.

There are also some good articles online about "true believer syndrome" - & we can see that at work when people like psychics enter the picture. Look at all the people who are firmly convinced, no matter WHAT evidence is presented to the contrary, that a particular psychic is REALLY genuine. Sylvia Brown is a good example - no matter how many times & ways you show where she has flipped, flopped, outrightly lied, you will have people who will not - or cannot - accept that she is a fake & a phony. In some ways, I can see the Anthony family as being penultimate "true believers" when it comes to Casey.

The cult studies might be the easiest comparisons to make. I will see if I can find some good examples.

no matter how much Cindy or George or Lee was angry & aggravated over Casey's lying & thieving - as soon as it got to the point of Casey being accused of MURDER - the cognitive dissonance went into overdrive. THAT, they could not accept. No way, no how.

JMO

[Peter]

GA also said "IF I LOST MY GRANDDAUGHTER THEN I'VE ALSO LOST MY DAUGHTER"

That tells me he knew that Caylee was dead..and casey was the one who killed Caylee....

I say give only George Immunity, see what he has to say..This will make Cindy NUTS!

[Pooh]

Afternoon all. Just getting here. I have a question that I haven't seen discussed (if it has, sorry :)

George says that on June 24th, he had the thing with Casey about the gas cans in the back of her car - where he went out to the garage to get something in her trunk and she ran out ahead and him, opened the trunk, and said, "Here's your f-ing gas cans." Ok - the question is, wouldn't George have smelled the decomp then if LE says Casey drove around with the body in the trunk from 6/16 - 6/18? I don't remember seeing any statements from George saying the car stunk on June 24th when he was standing right by it. Could this be something George "withheld" from LE at the time?

[happygert]

Do you think that will come out during the trial, what I mean is do you think he could be asked what he meant by that statement?

Im hoping... I hope they will use there own words against them. All ther inconsistant statement's if they can't get in on then i hope they use it in there closing.....

[Neffy]

He'll be back patrol once this case is over. I'd put money on it. They reassigned him because of the bad PR his involvement caused. JMO.

With other complaints against him although I don't know the time frame this could be just a standard discipliary action also. All he has to do is contact his union and they'll back him.

[CelticDawn]

Okay, I did read the article. I hope Tim Miller realizes that he did not make a mistake. I belieive he did the best he could. His heart was in it. He was brought down by forces out of his control.

We usually send in a monthly donation to our local help/shelters. I think this month we will send it to TES in Caylee's memory.

I have emailed Tim during this whole ordeal to thank him for helping to find Caylee. It might be a good time for us to send him encouraging messages.

thanks for the idea daffodil....I feel like I should send something to him too...


Maybe that would be a good thing to do for Caylees memory.

tim certainly does a lot of good....Too bad his resources could have been saved if some folks had just told the truth...!!!

[Lavenia]

I agree....but because of this sad tragedy I hope these "kids" have learned important lessons about human nature.
About being so trustworthy etc.

Yes that's one thing. Most of us do need to learn this at some point. Just like war, prostitution, drug culture, etc., I hate to see young people's innocence lost so early. :(

[~layla~]

Just another thought , how SAD it is that so much money could have been saved had the body been discovered in August as it should have been , so many forces could have saved a lot of money . It appears though that Cain was reassigned realizing the inadequacy and the costs that were lost . Better late then never.


Well I see it as Ms PPOF's fault. Id say force the donations taken by the A's be sent to a group that truly seeks TRUTH.

and when you say 'as it should have been' ... where is it you come to this conclusion? It was found when it was found. Caylee was dead long before Tims group came to search. Therefore the resources were wasted.

[missinglink]

As long as the employer just said something like "it's not working out", I could see that because I live in an at will state too..but to name that as the reason I think would be over the line. JMO of course

Correct Calla. I don't know how to multi-quote so maybe I can answer a few posters in just this one quote.

I hope that people don't see me as "sue happy" but I've had two experiences.

First, they can let you go for any reason or no reason, etc., but the employee still doesn't lose their "right" to sue if a violation has occured,
i.e. specific rights covered by federal and state laws...pregnancy, age, race, etc.

This is where EEOC. The company also has to have a minimum number of people employed, around 20, if I recall.

I sued one company when they refused to hire me 24 years ago, because I was pregnant. But that was an easy one. I kindly asked them to write a letter saying that so I'd have proof that I was looking for work for an unemployment claim. And they did!

The second one I'm currently going through right now. By the way, I work in an at will state, Kentucky. I was fired after having open heart surgery last year. I had X number of days to be back at work to keep my same oosition. I made it back in time, but they reassigned me to a different position, although my position was still existing. When I declined, they fired me. I was so sick at that time that I didn't bother with EEOC. But, lo and behold, a couple of months later, a lawsuit was started by other people and I am now a part of a class action suit.

So, it really depends on a lot of circumstances, for instance, her being able to prove why she was fired, the amount of employees, the reason for being fired (did it violate her rights), etc.

But, point is, just because it's at will doesn't mean you lose your rights. Just depends on a lot of things.

Hope this wasn't O/T, just answering questions through personal experience.

[CC I See]

Caylee Anthony case drained EquuSearch resources, leader says
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

.... and another one thrown under the Anthony bus. This time the whole group went under. How sad this makes me feel that all of the people who honestly tried to help the Caylee Anthony family have come close to ruin because of it.

[steffaroob4]

Perhaps a very long soliloquy or just a cameo appearance, IMO.

I don't recall seeing the Blanchard Park stuff anywhere yet. Who did casey tell that story to? For some reason I thought it was Lee.

[happy2bme]

Afternoon all. Just getting here. I have a question that I haven't seen discussed (if it has, sorry :)

George says that on June 24th, he had the thing with Casey about the gas cans in the back of her car - where he went out to the garage to get something in her trunk and she ran out ahead and him, opened the trunk, and said, "Here's your f-ing gas cans." Ok - the question is, wouldn't George have smelled the decomp then if LE says Casey drove around with the body in the trunk from 6/16 - 6/18? I don't remember seeing any statements from George saying the car stunk on June 24th when he was standing right by it. Could this be something George "withheld" from LE at the time?


I question whether GA even saw Casey on the 24th.

[WillowInFlight]

He most certainly did allude to that. There is no way with him being unemployed for so long that he did not know she wasn't working.

If you had even an inkling your child was lying and taking advantage of you would you not follow them even once? Track the km's on the cars (sorry miles in the US).

People who work and have no bills to pay don't have a reason to steal money imo. George is as much as a liar as Cindy he's just better at hiding it moo.

I have gone to many lows to check up on my kids. LOL

[happygert]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-equusearch-011508,0,3058438.story

Tim Miller, the founder of Texas EquuSearch, has told the Orlando Sentinel that getting his group involved in the Caylee Marie Anthony (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/topic/crime-law-justice/crimes/caylee-anthony-PECLB004332.topic) case might be one of the biggest mistakes he's made for the organization.

In a recent interview with the Sentinel, Miller said that so many resources were used and so much money spent on Caylee's case, they now don't have enough to assist all the other people who contact EquuSearch for help.



How sad is that?

Very Sad... IMO they need to repay TES... Go after the money that the A's have made off of Caylee.

[nc1948]

Only a woman would think this way.


Hey, I am a woman, and this is getting redicilous. She obviously has never had a husband, son or brother working in the field. You do not go knocking on peoples doors and ask to use their bathrooms. Caylee is dead. Casey killed her. She has been found and we are obsessed with someone using the bathroom in the woods. I am thankful he did, Le,Tes, searches could not find her, he did.

[ishkabibble]

Good move on their part. Thanks for the link.

the article mentioned Cain was on he force since 2006, I wonder how old he is, maybe there's a connection to a certain someone who has a history with cops. Taking the gun seems a severe penalty for just dissing a tip caller.

[trt]

You should read the post I was responding to......TIA.

I did...that's why I posted what I did. Was there something wrong with what I posted. OP said that the GPs knew what Casey was capable of but were so used to covering for her that they instinctively started once they realized what she had done. You said that you don't believe for one minute that they thought Casey was capable of murder. Which means that either you don't believe them when they said they looked in their backyard (under pavers and the playhouse) for Caylee or you think they were looking for a live Caylee under those things. Otherwise, by their own admission, they thought (for however long they thought it if we are to believe that *after* that they went into denial - I don't) that something could have happened to Caylee(and from George's convo with LE that Casey could have done it).

JMO

[Dells]

Ellegna, alot of the media reports about this case irk me. Many say that CASEY waited 31 days to report Caylee missing. Instead of saying, she never did. Cindy did!!!

Very true. If Cindy didn't find her on that day, who knows how much more time would have passed. I don't think Casey ever would have called it in, that is why she was avoiding Cindy.

[True2Blues]

If she was entertaining thoughts of hurting Caylee for several months, and she had an ounce of humanity left in her, you could be exactly right.

Something she said to Lee the night of June 15th in her bedroom also goes to this theory ... something along the lines of this should have happened a long time ago (paraphrased) ... with "this" possibly being that at long last, her family was nailing her to the wall and demanding answers. Unfortunately, they were about 31 days too late.


I doubt that Casey Anthony has ever felt that she deserved any kind of punishment for anything. In her world, everything is someone else's fault.