Wednesday January 14 - Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

I have to say that I'm appalled by what's happening in this case. There are way too many people involved. Let's hope justice will be served for little Caylee but it only takes one juror to believe the BS that's being played out right before our eyes.

[ellegna]

Light a Candle For Caylee
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[ellegna]

Good Morning all,

I have to say that I'm appalled by what's happening in this case. There are way too many people involved. Let's hope justice will be served for little Caylee but it only takes one juror to believe the BS that's being played out right before our eyes.

Good morning n/t :seeya:

I couldn't agree more. Just as we think this case is coming to a head, another player steps into the ring.

Psychic Confirms She Spoke With Dominic Casey
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28643566/

[n/t]

The Anthonys considering cremating Caylee for the reasons they stated is absolutely ridiculous. How stupid do they think we are?

You know what? Why announce and make a big deal out of it? It should be a personal decision without having to announce it to the world.

Unreal.

[AJandTam]

What is Cindy doing sending all these nasty e-mails to people and CNN? Does she really think anyone is going to buy her story that Casey is innocent after she lied and hid evidence for her? No funeral for Caylee, but telling Peter he isn't invited as if this some sort of party of the year invite? She is such a disgrace.

:cursing:

Good Morning n/t and SEDATION. Thank ya'll for the thread. When I first showed up this morning I was lost as to where to start. I NEED the morning thread every day..

What is going on this morning?? Anyone mind telling me what ya'll are talking about that Cindy has done now??

[kellabeck]

Watching NG recorded last night. I am still amazed at how many twists and turns this case has!!
No record of the psychic's phone calls to Dominic Casey?
Caylee to be cremated?
Kronk on GMA?
I can't wait for this trial!

As to Cindy's email affirming support of Casey....I have to say that I am totally unsurprised. I predicted back when Caylee's body was found that the Ants would continue to back the killer. I know that some of my friends here expressed hope that the Ants would show some humanity but I was never sanguine. It has been clear from the start that the Ants had abandoned their granddaughter in favor of the living killer. And they will continue to be vilified in the public's eye.

[n/t]

What is Cindy doing sending all these nasty e-mails to people and CNN? Does she really think anyone is going to buy her story that Casey is innocent after she lied and hid evidence for her? No funeral for Caylee, but telling Peter he isn't invited as if this some sort of party of the year invite? She is such a disgrace.

:cursing:

The email wasn't sent to CNN. It was an email sent to Lois (grandmother of Dakota). I'm guessing she's the one who gave the email to the media. I won't even type what I think of Lois. Another character who's inserted herself in this case. Her granddaughter will ultimately pay the price for this. It's disgusting, imo.

[bluwaters]

Deputy's action under scrutiny in Casey Anthony case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey1409jan14,0,787726.story

[n/t]

Good Morning n/t and SEDATION. Thank ya'll for the thread. When I first showed up this morning I was lost as to where to start. I NEED the morning thread every day..

What is going on this morning?? Anyone mind telling me what ya'll are talking about that Cindy has done now??

I'll paraphrase...

She sent an email to Lois (Dakota's grandmother) telling her she isn't invited to the memorial and that she believes her daughter is innocent and it will be proven at trial. Lois obviously forwarded that email to the media and it became one of the discussions on the talk shows last night.

IMO, Lois shouldn't have done that and furthermore who cares. Of course Cindy will say her daughter is innocent. What do we expect her to say?

[Adonna]

The Anthonys considering cremating Caylee for the reasons they stated is absolutely ridiculous. How stupid do they think we are?

You know what? Why announce and make a big deal out of it? It should be a personal decision without having to announce it to the world.

Unreal.

I Understand that their reasoning is because of possible grave robbers. I gave that some thought and what makes them think someone won't try to rob them of the cremated remains of Caylee. They better get a secured vault for the ashes too while they're at it.

[n/t]

Watching NG recorded last night. I am still amazed at how many twists and turns this case has!!
No record of the psychic's phone calls to Dominic Casey?
Caylee to be cremated?
Kronk on GMA?
I can't wait for this trial!

As to Cindy's email affirming support of Casey....I have to say that I am totally unsurprised. I predicted back when Caylee's body was found that the Ants would continue to back the killer. I know that some of my friends here expressed hope that the Ants would show some humanity but I was never sanguine. It has been clear from the start that the Ants had abandoned their granddaughter in favor of the living killer. And they will continue to be vilified in the public's eye.


The media's already calling it the trial of the century. Everyone wants their 15 minutes. How many more will come out before this is over?

I hope NG put Lenny on time out. lol. He corrected himself last night to say that it wasn't 12 feet but 150 feet or something like that as to where DC was searching. Wish he would get it right the first time. Good grief.

[AJandTam]

I'll paraphrase...

She sent an email to Lois (Dakota's grandmother) telling her she isn't invited to the memorial and that she believes her daughter is innocent and it will be proven at trial. Lois obviously forwarded that email to the media and it became one of the discussions on the talk shows last night.

IMO, Lois shouldn't have done that and furthermore who cares. Of course Cindy will say her daughter is innocent. What do we expect her to say?

Thanks n/t. Weird. Has she even planned this memorial that Lois is not invited too?? Just curious..

I agree, she expect her to say that Casey is innocent. At least until she gets that immunity thing straightened out. Then i'll really be interested in what she has to say...

Can DC prove he was on the phone w/this psychic. I read in a link that this is what he is claiming now??

[n/t]

I Understand that their reasoning is because of possible grave robbers. I gave that some thought and what makes them think someone won't try to rob them of the cremated remains of Caylee. They better get a secured vault for the ashes too while they're at it.

Their reasoning behind it doesn't make any sense and the guests on the talk shows last night agreed. There are many famous celebrities who are buried and their graves haven't been disturbed.

Jon Bonet Ramsey, imo was a perfect example of a non celebrity but very high profile case who was buried. Her grave was never disturbed in any way.

[n/t]

Thanks n/t. Weird. Has she even planned this memorial that Lois is not invited too?? Just curious..

I agree, she expect her to say that Casey is innocent. At least until she gets that immunity thing straightened out. Then i'll really be interested in what she has to say...

Can DC prove he was on the phone w/this psychic. I read in a link that this is what he is claiming now??

I'm sure LE already have the phone records, Tam. I wonder if they will tell us. IMO, they shouldn't especially if it proves that the phone call was NOT from this psychic.

Susan Moss on NG last night said...maybe there will be 2 Caseys in jail. Thought that was funny.

[BJames]

This issue of who is 'allowed' at Caylee's funeral and who is not is another attempt by Cindy Anthony to have the last say and control....it is important to her.
It is two fold I think...yet another stuggle between Cindy and Casey over who has the remains...thus far I do believe that Jose Baez has been handed legal status. With Casey in jail she can't have total say (she can hope)...but I do believe that Cindy will take as much as she can.
Hence the 'I get to say who can attend'...just recouping any 'control' that she can get.

Just my opinion of course...

[Lavenia]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html


Article about the email

Nauseating.

[spageddy]

Good morning all,
forgive me for asking, but where did this psychic come from? I don't recall hearing her name before. I only got to watch part of NG last night- but whoo boy! It seems even the defense lawyers seem to be thinking that It aint lookin too good for Casey & Co.
Someone asked me why I continue to watch NG when it's always about the same thing- the Casey case. But IMO it is NEVER the same thing. People are crawling out of the woodwork with their version of the story. There is money to be made by anyone who has inserted themselves into this cast of characters, but they better watch out! There's no loyalty or honor among this bunch, and they'll all be throwing one another under the bus before long. A sensible person would get as far away from this mess as possible IMO.
That said- where is Mallory? Is she trying to remain un-involved? Or is she writing a book? Seems to me she would have more insight to offer than some of the clowns we've been hearing from.
(I like to ask my dumb questions in the morning when the board is "kinder & gentler:wink:)

[kOOkie1]

..I was just sitting and thinking how NICE its been NOT having to hear Cindy defending Casey!! They need to remain quiet and not be responding to emails.

[shelban53]

morning all. From NG last night
1. psychic says she called the PI but the call did not show up on her bill
2. lenny said, no record, then the call didnt happen
3. lenny also said: out. The -- the pavers they`re talking about that the -- meter reader and the private detective were sent to, they were both tipped by the same source. And they`re 150 feet away from where the body was found.

That`s the whole confusion here. The cops should not be punished. He was taken 150 feet from where the body was found because the pavers they were keying in on are not the pavers where the body was found. Totally different

guess who

[CelticDawn]

This issue of who is 'allowed' at Caylee's funeral and who is not is another attempt by Cindy Anthony to have the last say and control....it is important to her.
It is two fold I think...yet another stuggle between Cindy and Casey over who has the remains...thus far I do believe that Jose Baez has been handed legal status. With Casey in jail she can't have total say (she can hope)...but I do believe that Cindy will take as much as she can.
Hence the 'I get to say who can attend'...just recouping any 'control' that she can get.

Just my opinion of course...


Ive really tried to understand cindy. ...just as a human being....everyone deserves reconsideration when they have been bombarded by such a horror in their lives....but it seems she has been the one firing off all these volleys....The Narcissist that bred and bore the sociopath...she was NOT in denial....she was and is living in her world ...one she created and is hell bent on controlling to the bitter end...

No redeeming qualities.

[spageddy]

This issue of who is 'allowed' at Caylee's funeral and who is not is another attempt by Cindy Anthony to have the last say and control....it is important to her.
It is two fold I think...yet another stuggle between Cindy and Casey over who has the remains...thus far I do believe that Jose Baez has been handed legal status. With Casey in jail she can't have total say (she can hope)...but I do believe that Cindy will take as much as she can.
Hence the 'I get to say who can attend'...just recouping any 'control' that she can get.

Just my opinion of course...

Why don't they just have the funeral privately- at home or wherever, then tell the media it's a done deal. IMO Cindy likes the attention and is dragging things out just to keep up the drama. Whgo says they even hafta have a "public" memorial? Put the baby to rest for heaven sakes.

[AJandTam]

I don't know what is going on this a.m. I just know the psychic went on NG last night and made a fool of herself. Big time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html

Catching up on Cindy sending e-mails.

Thanks Sedation. Gee whiz... This cracker jack women better put up or shut up...

[shelban53]

sent by Cindy Anthony

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html

why cant cindy just give it a rest. why does she go and seek out something nasty to say. doesnt she have better things to do with her time other than sending an old lady an email saying im having a funeral and you cant come? wonder if she ended it with neener neener neener.

[AJandTam]

I'm sure LE already have the phone records, Tam. I wonder if they will tell us. IMO, they shouldn't especially if it proves that the phone call was NOT from this psychic.

Susan Moss on NG last night said...maybe there will be 2 Caseys in jail. Thought that was funny.

Didn't LE say already they knew but were not going to announce it. Then Conway was making that weird statement yesterday about telling the whole story and producing phone records later?? Confused.. To me that statement sounded like Conway was admitting who the PI was talking too, in a round about way.. I guess we wait.

[*MoonRider*]

This issue of who is 'allowed' at Caylee's funeral and who is not is another attempt by Cindy Anthony to have the last say and control....it is important to her.
It is two fold I think...yet another stuggle between Cindy and Casey over who has the remains...thus far I do believe that Jose Baez has been handed legal status. With Casey in jail she can't have total say (she can hope)...but I do believe that Cindy will take as much as she can.
Hence the 'I get to say who can attend'...just recouping any 'control' that she can get.

Just my opinion of course...


FGS Cindy this is not a wedding. Never in all of my years have I heard of invitations being sent out for a funeral.:ohmy: When my dear father passed we had a private service and then public. If you want a private service just don't announce it. Cindy is a very sick and twisted person. IMO

[margaritaville]

Okay I keep thinking about this whole ZFG part of Casey's story.

Here is my question to you all....

We all believe that some how Casey saw the card ZFG filled out at the Sawgrass apartments.

Do you think Casey knew that ZFG did not take the apartment?
And if she didn't know and believed that she lived there, would she
have been able to pick her out of a line-up and try and pin the kidnapping on her? Was part of Casey's plan get messed up because ZFG didn't live there?? She could never have said it was another ZFG that lived there......

moo

[CelticDawn]

sent by Cindy Anthony

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html

why cant cindy just give it a rest. why does she go and seek out something nasty to say. doesnt she have better things to do with her time other than sending an old lady an email saying im having a funeral and you cant come? wonder if she ended it with neener neener neener.

In her case...."Sometimes being a beech is all a woman has to hold onto".

sadly and no thanks to anyone but herself...she created this mess.

[cassidy]

..I was just sitting and thinking how NICE its been NOT having to hear Cindy defending Casey!! They need to remain quiet and not be responding to emails.

Conway probably ordered her not to talk. He didn't specify type. He should have known better. Hard to keep a muzzle on Cindy. Guess he didn't cover all the bases?

JMO

[Kathlb]

Who besides me thinks that the defense is behind all of these yahoos coming and trying to insert themselves into the case and muddy the waters? It just seems strange that so many are showing up for their moment in the spotlight to misdirect everyone from the real monster, Casey. Her name is hardly mentioned in the news lately. Seems to be working. Now CA is back spouting off. I hope LE never gives them immunity. I want to hear her on the stand.

[taylor63]

Once again it seems that it is Caylee who is pushed aside and forgotten in this whole tragedy by her family. I understand perfectly now why the Anthonys have not had a funeral for Caylee, yet they are giving free reign for the defense to do whatever they want with her little remains,so it looks like they will be supporting Casey 100 percent. The email Cindy sent just confirms this.

I had really hoped that they had come to face reality as painful and heartbreaking as it is. I sure hope they have a lot of support in a year or two from now when their daughter is convicted and sentenced to life in prison, or given the death penalty.

[JHP]

Why don't they just have the funeral privately- at home or wherever, then tell the media it's a done deal. IMO Cindy likes the attention and is dragging things out just to keep up the drama. Whgo says they even hafta have a "public" memorial? Put the baby to rest for heaven sakes.

I think the Anthonys are holding out for the best "deal" It's not like lots of family and friends came forward in the search for Caylee to support the family. So who's the public funeral for? The next week at the Ritz?

I feel so badly for Caylee myself, but personally would feel better if they put this little girl to rest without alot of fanfare.

JMO

[AJandTam]

This issue of who is 'allowed' at Caylee's funeral and who is not is another attempt by Cindy Anthony to have the last say and control....it is important to her.
It is two fold I think...yet another stuggle between Cindy and Casey over who has the remains...thus far I do believe that Jose Baez has been handed legal status. With Casey in jail she can't have total say (she can hope)...but I do believe that Cindy will take as much as she can.
Hence the 'I get to say who can attend'...just recouping any 'control' that she can get.

Just my opinion of course...

Well ol' control freak is a day late and a dollar short. She wants to control Caylee's body... What about when she was alive and had NO NANNY or proper care during the day? Just doesn't make sense, does it???

[playnice]

Dr Baden said on Greta last night that they know who the father is. I cant understand why he keeps saying this unless it will be part of the trial. I think it will come out then but think Dr Baden just cant wait to blurt it out before then.
At least it isnt a secret any more. LE knows. I wonder what role this is going to play in the defense? I do think it will be part of the case since Baden keeps bringing it up.

[AJandTam]

Ive really tried to understand cindy. ...just as a human being....everyone deserves reconsideration when they have been bombarded by such a horror in their lives....but it seems she has been the one firing off all these volleys....The Narcissist that bred and bore the sociopath...she was NOT in denial....she was and is living in her world ...one she created and is hell bent on controlling to the bitter end...

No redeeming qualities.

That is a very good post and so true. Right down to the bitter end!

[cassidy]

FGS Cindy this is not a wedding. Never in all of my years have I heard of invitations being sent out for a funeral.:ohmy: When my dear father passed we had a private service and then public. If you want a private service just don't announce it. Cindy is a very sick and twisted person. IMOEven for weddings it's unheard of to send out "we're having a wedding and you're not invited" notes. Sheeesh! What's next? My advice to the Anthony's: Make it private and dignified and do it for Caylee.

JMO

[*MoonRider*]

Conway probably ordered her not to talk. He didn't specify type. He should have known better. Hard to keep a muzzle on Cindy. Guess he didn't cover all the bases?

JMO

I don't think Conway is helping their image either by stating that crazies would rob the grave. :confused: As each day passes, I think he's on the Casey Anthony defense team too. IMO ITA it is impossible to keep CA quiet. She is and always has been her own worst enemy. IMO

[cassidy]

I don't think Conway is helping their image either by stating that crazies would rob the grave. :confused: As each day passes, I think he's on the Casey Anthony defense team too. IMO ITA it is impossible to keep CA quiet. She is and always has been her own worst enemy. IMO


Missed alot yesterday and last nite. I didn't realize HE said that. Looks like they hooked up with yet another nut.
JMO

[shelban53]

Okay I keep thinking about this whole ZFG part of Casey's story.

Here is my question to you all....

We all believe that some how Casey saw the card ZFG filled out at the Sawgrass apartments.

Do you think Casey knew that ZFG did not take the apartment?
And if she didn't know and believed that she lived there, would she
have been able to pick her out of a line-up and try and pin the kidnapping on her? Was part of Casey's plan get messed up because ZFG didn't live there?? She could never have said it was another ZFG that lived there......

moo

I dont think casey ever saw the real zenida just the card, now lets throw a monley wrench in that and talk about where the body was found. Inbetween the back of the 2 neighbors off of hopespring, one a zenida the other a gonzales, now lets throw in the code talk between her and Lee where is sounds like casey said " she is close to HOPE vs home.

[AJandTam]

She can't put up anything. There is no call. She got caught. She's just trying to profit. Hopefully she'll go back under the rock she slithered out from.

How in the heck did they think they could get away w/that. I mean it's not exactly uncommon information, that IF the records don't back up the story then they are lying. Surely a PI would know that?? Right??

[bluwaters]

I don't think Conway is helping their image either by stating that crazies would rob the grave. :confused: As each day passes, I think he's on the Casey Anthony defense team too. IMO ITA it is impossible to keep CA quiet. She is and always has been her own worst enemy. IMO
ITA! Conway has to be supportive of Casey and her defense or he will also be kicked to the curb. Mark NeJame believes that Casey killed Caylee and that relationship with the A's quickly went sour.
NeJame, IMO, was the best thing that the A's had going for them too.

[AJandTam]

Even for weddings it's unheard of to send out "we're having a wedding and you're not invited" notes. Sheeesh! What's next? My advice to the Anthony's: Make it private and dignified and do it for Caylee.

JMO

She never learns, does she?? This isn't the first time emails have bitten her in the booty... Lawd have Mercy...

[AJandTam]

ITA! Conway has to be supportive of Casey and her defense or he will also be kicked to the curb. Mark NeJame believes that Casey killed Caylee and that relationship with the A's quickly went sour.
NeJame, IMO, was the best thing that the A's had going for them too.

Conway has me a bit confused. Maybe you can clear this up for me. Does he want immunity so that his clients can get out of trouble and testify against Casey or Are his clients going to go down w/Casey.. ?????

[Motomom]

I dont think casey ever saw the real zenida just the card, now lets throw a monley wrench in that and talk about where the body was found. Inbetween the back of the 2 neighbors off of hopespring, one a zenida the other a gonzales, now lets throw in the code talk between her and Lee where is sounds like casey said " she is close to HOPE vs home.

Add in where she said she dropped her off between 9 and 1.. stolen from another poster :)

[Motomom]

She never learns, does she?? This isn't the first time emails have bitten her in the booty... Lawd have Mercy...

you would think she has other things to do right now that fight with Lois anyways.. i'd like to see the entire emails.. i can't help but think that maybe lois initiated the contact but that's JMO and the hope I was holding out for them coming to their senses is going :thumbdown: and I'm still trying.

[bluwaters]

Conway has me a bit confused. Maybe you can clear this up for me. Does he want immunity so that his clients can get out of trouble and testify against Casey or Are his clients going to go down w/Casey.. ?????
I wish that I could answer you! It looks like the A's will never tell the truth. I guess they just want immunity and then they can tell the story, the one that they have gotten straightened out among themselves, so that there are no more "inconsistencies" in their statements.
I don't think that they will testify against Casey. Whatever George said at the Grand Jury hearing was under oath, so I suppose he needs immunity to change that testimony? Just a guess. It is a mystery to me.

[msgatorslayer]

Why don't they just have the funeral privately- at home or wherever, then tell the media it's a done deal. IMO Cindy likes the attention and is dragging things out just to keep up the drama. Whgo says they even hafta have a "public" memorial? Put the baby to rest for heaven sakes.

She is dragging things out and creating as much drama as she can in the process. Why the need to publicly say Caylee will be cremated because she fears 'grave robbers' will take Caylee? People are cremated all the time. No need to say WHY she wants to do this.

G'morning everyone!!!

[Pooh]

Nauseating.

That's it, in one word. Holy cow. A new low for Cindy. I didn't think it was possible.

[shelban53]

Add in where she said she dropped her off between 9 and 1.. stolen from another poster :)

thats right, the 2 addresses.

Where did the psychic come from. did she call in tips way back in Aug? Is this her way of getting publicity?

Its so easy to prove if she did or didnt make a phone call, UNLESS she used the nannys cell phone which doesnt show up on bills.

[shellzbi]

Even for weddings it's unheard of to send out "we're having a wedding and you're not invited" notes. Sheeesh! What's next? My advice to the Anthony's: Make it private and dignified and do it for Caylee.

JMO


These are people with no dignity.

They behave badly they just can't help themselves.

Your right Caylee deserves a private service. Put to rest with dignity. IMO

Cindy loves the spotlight.

[msgatorslayer]

Add in where she said she dropped her off between 9 and 1.. stolen from another poster :)

This is another telling thing, IMO. She doesn't remember the exact last moment she saw her Daughter. BS!!!! "I dropped her off like any normal day, between 9-1."

[JHP]

Conway has me a bit confused. Maybe you can clear this up for me. Does he want immunity so that his clients can get out of trouble and testify against Casey or Are his clients going to go down w/Casey.. ?????

I'm thinking Cindy probably has Conway confused. It's now been over a month and LE didn't jump all over the immunity deal so... I'm hoping no-one gets immunity. IMO they shouldn't get it.

[AJandTam]

you would think she has other things to do right now that fight with Lois anyways.. i'd like to see the entire emails.. i can't help but think that maybe lois initiated the contact but that's JMO and the hope I was holding out for them coming to their senses is going :thumbdown: and I'm still trying.

One would think so, ITA. Yes, it is possible that Lois ask to go to the memorial/funeral and Cindy declined. I don't know that we really need to see thier private emails. Personally, I take issue w/private emails being made public unless it does have to do w/proving a murder or something to do w/a case like this, that wouuld be relevant to the case itself.. Just regular emails between a couple of bickering old granny's, shouldn't make the news IMHO.

no coming to thier senses. I don't know Moto, I just don't think that is the problem. That they don't know, they know. They just seem to have some sort of complex that makes them think they can push this to the limits and win... It's a false sense of reality, that seems to be a trademark of the whole family...

[Motomom]

She is dragging things out and creating as much drama as she can in the process. Why the need to publicly say Caylee will be cremated because she fears 'grave robbers' will take Caylee? People are cremated all the time. No need to say WHY she wants to do this.

G'morning everyone!!!

I agree. nothng wrong with cremation, and it's the preferred method in my family and we keep the cremains at home. People do not dig up dead babies. It's disgusting that they even came out with that. I'd rather if they just did a private memorial and were done with it at this point in time. If not..imagine what the public will be accused of when its over and done.

[shellzbi]

She is dragging things out and creating as much drama as she can in the process. Why the need to publicly say Caylee will be cremated because she fears 'grave robbers' will take Caylee? People are cremated all the time. No need to say WHY she wants to do this.

G'morning everyone!!!

I agree.

Cindy should go back to work. That's what the rest of us do.

Let the system take care of her daughter.

[Motomom]

One would think so, ITA. Yes, it is possible that Lois ask to go to the memorial/funeral and Cindy declined. I don't know that we really need to see thier private emails. Personally, I take issue w/private emails being made public unless it does have to do w/proving a murder or something to do w/a case like this, that wouuld be relevant to the case itself.. Just regular emails between a couple of bickering old granny's, shouldn't make the news IMHO.

no coming to thier senses. I don't know Moto, I just don't think that is the problem. That they don't know, they know. They just seem to have some sort of complex that makes them think they can push this to the limits and win... It's a false sense of reality, that seems to be a trademark of the whole family...

Yeah, I hear ya. They have to know. Maybe they just don't want to admit it publically, but then say NOTHING.. As for the emails, I agree with you, shouldn't have made the news.. BUT if the news is going to report snippets, they might as well report the entire thing. Because I have doubts that Cindy initiated contact with her.. but that could be my hope in all of this LOL

[AJandTam]

I wish that I could answer you! It looks like the A's will never tell the truth. I guess they just want immunity and then they can tell the story, the one that they have gotten straightened out among themselves, so that there are no more "inconsistencies" in their statements.
I don't think that they will testify against Casey. Whatever George said at the Grand Jury hearing was under oath, so I suppose he needs immunity to change that testimony? Just a guess. It is a mystery to me.

Me too Blu, I think they are so scared of this whole thing that they don't know what to do. Somethings not right w/the case and they have a big burden on thier shoulders. This all just went to far, and now they are in a big situation that can destroy them all. They want to fight thier way out of it, but they can't... JMO

[margaritaville]

I dont think casey ever saw the real zenida just the card, now lets throw a monley wrench in that and talk about where the body was found. Inbetween the back of the 2 neighbors off of hopespring, one a zenida the other a gonzales, now lets throw in the code talk between her and Lee where is sounds like casey said " she is close to HOPE vs home.


Wow.......Very good.....

And in the news report they said the owner of the house Hernan Gonzalaz.......

Hernan---Herandez........

Gonzalaz-Gonzales.......



http://www.wftv.com/video/18473137/index.html

[Claire]

I only saw half of the NG show last night. Thank heaven for these morning threads, I tell ya. I agree with the poster who said that Cindy is trying to control what little she can. She is not a stupid woman, she had to have known that any emails she sent to an adversarial person would end up in the hands of the media. IMHO Cindy just can't stay out of the limelight, she has to continually insert herself. It must be killing her that her attorney is now stealing her spotlight. As far as cremating the remains, Geo. as a former LE and Cindy as a former nurse both know that it destroys evidence. I believe this is one last attempt at covering up for their daughter. It's so unfortunate that neither Cindy nor Geo. appreciate the gravity of their situation and how close to death they really came. Those searches on the computer done by Casey were not necessary in order to do away with a 2 year old. Self defense? Come on. That and the fact that she told her girlfriend that soon she would be owning the house, you would have to be stupid not to see what she was plotting. If that argument never happened that night, I believe she would have offed her parents and Caylee in one fell swope, got rid of Caylee's body and claimed to the police that her home was invaded by hammer weilding psycho, and that the killer made off with Caylee. Leaving her free to live in the house with her friends and party like it's 1999. PS: Did anything ever come of the information regarding the houses that the remains were found behind (Zenaida / Gonzalez) ?

[Pooh]

I agree.

Cindy should go back to work. That's what the rest of us do.

Let the system take care of her daughter.

But she's getting paid either way so why expend the energy? Being sarcastic here. I listened again to her testimony at the bond hearing yesterday and I heard, again, how she was saying her employer will pay her after her 5 weeks of vacation is gone for as long as she needs it. Something about a trust account and she works for a BIG corporation. I've never heard such a thing. I work for a BIG corporation too and we have no such option. Once your vacation is gone, the money is too unless you show up to work. Has anyone heard of a trust like she describes?

[AMS]

I don't know what is going on this a.m. I just know the psychic went on NG last night and made a fool of herself. Big time.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html

Catching up on Cindy sending e-mails.

Does anyone knw how the psychic presumably had one of Caylee's teddy bears?

[enigma]

I dont think casey ever saw the real zenida just the card, now lets throw a monley wrench in that and talk about where the body was found. Inbetween the back of the 2 neighbors off of hopespring, one a zenida the other a gonzales, now lets throw in the code talk between her and Lee where is sounds like casey said " she is close to HOPE vs home.

When I listen with earphones on, and if I concentrate on just that one word out of the entire conversation, I hear a consonant at the end of the word, as in "hope" or maybe another word, not "home".

But listening to the whole conversation, Casey's voice sounds quite nasal, so I think what I'm hearing is "hobe", like when one has a stuffed-up nose and is trying to say "home", but it comes out "hobe"...

I think it's nothing short of amazing that Gonzales and Zenaida are the names of the people connected with those neighbouring houses. I think maybe that's where Zenaida Gonzales was born... :wink:

JMHO

[AJandTam]

I'm thinking Cindy probably has Conway confused. It's now been over a month and LE didn't jump all over the immunity deal so... I'm hoping no-one gets immunity. IMO they shouldn't get it.

I agree about the immunity. We don't want future people involved in these kinds of cases to think they can do this kind of stuff too.

Yes, the immunity deal is either out of the question or it's on hold pending results of forensic test. IMHO.

[AJandTam]

Does anyone knw how the psychic presumably had one of Caylee's teddy bears?

AMS, in the transcripts from last night, she says the teddy bear was mailed to her.

[enigma]

Does anyone knw how the psychic presumably had one of Caylee's teddy bears?

She said the Anthonys sent it to her. Refer to the NG transcript...

JMHO

[enigma]

I agree about the immunity. We don't want future people involved in these kinds of cases to think they can do this kind of stuff too.

Yes, the immunity deal is either out of the question or it's on hold pending results of forensic test. IMHO.

I also agree. Apart from everything else,I think it's very cheeky to now turn around and basically say OK we won't make conflicting statements anymore, we'll cooperate but we want immunity in exchange. In exchange for telling the truth???!! Some cheek. Then again, hardly surprising considering their entitled tone throughout this case.

JMHO

[margaritaville]

But she's getting paid either way so why expend the energy? Being sarcastic here. I listened again to her testimony at the bond hearing yesterday and I heard, again, how she was saying her employer will pay her after her 5 weeks of vacation is gone for as long as she needs it. Something about a trust account and she works for a BIG corporation. I've never heard such a thing. I work for a BIG corporation too and we have no such option. Once your vacation is gone, the money is too unless you show up to work. Has anyone heard of a trust like she describes?

No I haven't........ I work for a major airline and we do not have anything like that....Vac and Sick time gone....No more paychecks.

I have never heard of it...... I think it is one of Cindy's "half-truths".

[shellzbi]

But she's getting paid either way so why expend the energy? Being sarcastic here. I listened again to her testimony at the bond hearing yesterday and I heard, again, how she was saying her employer will pay her after her 5 weeks of vacation is gone for as long as she needs it. Something about a trust account and she works for a BIG corporation. I've never heard such a thing. I work for a BIG corporation too and we have no such option. Once your vacation is gone, the money is too unless you show up to work. Has anyone heard of a trust like she describes?

Morning Pooh!

I read that Cindy works for a Orthopedic Group in the Orlando Area. Not a large corp. with liberal leave or sick pay.

Heck, if I was her employer I would let her go. I would not want her working with me.

She has lost her mind. Not credible. JMO.

[kitty1182]

This psychic on NG last night is full of &^%$.

I called ATT this morning and asked if I could get a print out of all the calls I received and dialed last month. No problem they said..it's on line at www.att.com

I also told them that what do I do if some of the calls were not listed?

They told me, and I quote.

" If the call is not listed, then the call would not have gone through."

Period.

This psychic made herself look like an idot last night, and Dom Casey IMO is digging the whole a little deeper.


I can't wait to hear who was really on the other end...I think it was JB..imo

[Claire]

Does anyone knw how the psychic presumably had one of Caylee's teddy bears?

That's a good question. I just read the transcripts and she says "they" mailed it to her. Who is "they". Well, we know that this p.i. Casey was working for the Anthony's so maybe that is who "they" are. Why is it that we have never heard of this psychic before now?

As far as the crime scene is concerned, when I read here about all the people that have been at that crime scene before the remains were even found, I am envisioning the balloon man, the popcorn cart, the mini-car that all the clowns come out of, and everyone there EXCEPT the cops. If it were not tragic, it would be funny.

Such a shame that the cold blooded murder of a 2 year old baby would develop into this.

[shelban53]

When I listen with earphones on, and if I concentrate on just that one word out of the entire conversation, I hear a consonant at the end of the word, as in "hope" or maybe another word, not "home".

But listening to the whole conversation, Casey's voice sounds quite nasal, so I think what I'm hearing is "hobe", like when one has a stuffed-up nose and is trying to say "home", but it comes out "hobe"...

I think it's nothing short of amazing that Gonzales and Zenaida are the names of the people connected with those neighbouring houses. I think maybe that's where Zenaida Gonzales was born... :wink:

JMHO

Thanks for bringing me back to reality...yea I guess I never really did believe casey that was that clever to leave cryptic clues all over the place.
KISS
she paniced and drove around the corner and dumped the body and when she got caught she was flying by the seat of her pants with her story. lie upon lie and was shocked when LE checked out her story, I mean..she was the victem why check on her...LE should be checking zanny the kidnapper.

[Cheri_G]

Once again it seems that it is Caylee who is pushed aside and forgotten in this whole tragedy by her family. I understand perfectly now why the Anthonys have not had a funeral for Caylee, yet they are giving free reign for the defense to do whatever they want with her little remains,so it looks like they will be supporting Casey 100 percent. The email Cindy sent just confirms this.

I had really hoped that they had come to face reality as painful and heartbreaking as it is. I sure hope they have a lot of support in a year or two from now when their daughter is convicted and sentenced to life in prison, or given the death penalty.

I guess I'm a little confused. It was my understanding that it was Casey's (and only Casey's) decision as next of kin to determine what was to be done with Caylee's remains once the ME released them and that she decided to turn them over to her lawyer for a second autopsy. Is that incorrect?

I assume that once the defense is done with their examinations that they (assuming this is what Casey has decided) will then turn over Caylee's remains to George and Cindy for burial. Has that happened yet?

[Claire]

Morning Pooh!

I read that Cindy works for a Orthopedic Group in the Orlando Area. Not a large corp. with liberal leave or sick pay.

Heck, if I was her employer I would let her go. I would not want her working with me.

She has lost her mind. Not credible. JMO.



That would just give her grounds to file a harrassment suit against the company (semi-deep pockets). Why give her ammunition for another avenue to profit?

[?noanswer]

ITA! Conway has to be supportive of Casey and her defense or he will also be kicked to the curb. Mark NeJame believes that Casey killed Caylee and that relationship with the A's quickly went sour.
NeJame, IMO, was the best thing that the A's had going for them too.

Now that the info has come out about DC's search(s), I believe that was the last straw for Njames. That's why he flew the coop. JMO

[Elle]

Even for weddings it's unheard of to send out "we're having a wedding and you're not invited" notes. Sheeesh! What's next? My advice to the Anthony's: Make it private and dignified and do it for Caylee.

JMO

Good morning Cassidy
I don't think it was quite like that, and Lois is the one who took it public.
The article I read states that there were a few emails exchanged between the 2 of them. Do we know Cindy sent the first one to tell Lois she couldn't go? I lean more toward thinking Lois emailed her first asking if she could go or something along those lines and Cindy responded to her question. I find Lois' remark to Cindy to be nasty, and Cindy's response back defending Casey, expected, yet polite and not attacking as Lois' was. The article also states she is not invited to the funeral, is it known for certain she meant the public memorial, or did she mean the actual funeral, which understandably she would not be invited to. It is not even known for certain if Cindy actually wrote the emails, she could have someone who is helping her out.

I do not think it is ever going to matter what evidence is presented. Save for a confession from Casey, I don't believe Cindy will ever accept Casey killed Caylee, and even with a confession, I have some doubts of Cindy being able to accept it.

I completely agree with your last line "Make it private and dignified and do it for Caylee."

the above is soley my opinion.

[*MoonRider*]

Yeah, I hear ya. They have to know. Maybe they just don't want to admit it publically, but then say NOTHING.. As for the emails, I agree with you, shouldn't have made the news.. BUT if the news is going to report snippets, they might as well report the entire thing. Because I have doubts that Cindy initiated contact with her.. but that could be my hope in all of this LOL

It doesn't matter if Lois did initiate the contact, Cindy should have used her delete feature. All of these weeks of seclusion must be making her more insane. IMO

[shelban53]

This psychic on NG last night is full of &^%$.

I called ATT this morning and asked if I could get a print out of all the calls I received and dialed last month. No problem they said..it's on line at www.att.com

I also told them that what do I do if some of the calls were not listed?

They told me, and I quote.

" If the call is not listed, then the call would not have gone through."

Period.

This psychic made herself look like an idot last night, and Dom Casey IMO is digging the whole a little deeper.

Great post, thanks for the info from AT&T.

[kitty1182]

Well, she may be stalling to gain a little publicity, maybe in about 2 weeks, she gets the phone records, then pops up on Nancy Grace and sayd : I told you so"

I think the only ones that have the records are her , Casey, and OCSO



I don't believe the psychic for a minute....Where are these people popping up from?

[Lavenia]

AMS, in the transcripts from last night, she says the teddy bear was mailed to her.

Was it really Caylee's or was it Caylee's AND Casey's or maybe the dog's? Since it doesn't really matter. :rolleyes:

[enigma]

No I haven't........ I work for a major airline and we do not have anything like that....Vac and Sick time gone....No more paychecks.

I have never heard of it...... I think it is one of Cindy's "half-truths".

Me neither...

I don't know how she thinks she'd get away with telling... half-truths in court. I also watched that video again yesterday and she did try to get away with a few things, but wasn't successful.

I think this is a perfect example of a reason why their attorney wants immunity for the As...

JMHO

[?noanswer]

These are people with no dignity.

They behave badly they just can't help themselves.

Your right Caylee deserves a private service. Put to rest with dignity. IMO

Cindy loves the spotlight.


Cindy needs to go back to work. She has too much time on her hands. She can no longer use the excuse she is searching for Caylee. Next think she'll be sending emails to all the guests on the TH shows and telling them they can't appear on the shows! JMO

[AMS]

AMS, in the transcripts from last night, she says the teddy bear was mailed to her.

Thanks. I had missed that.

[Claire]

I wish that I could answer you! It looks like the A's will never tell the truth. I guess they just want immunity and then they can tell the story, the one that they have gotten straightened out among themselves, so that there are no more "inconsistencies" in their statements.
I don't think that they will testify against Casey. Whatever George said at the Grand Jury hearing was under oath, so I suppose he needs immunity to change that testimony? Just a guess. It is a mystery to me.


I agree, the Anthony's will NEVER tell the truth, and the police know it. Their immunity deal is so they can fabricate something that will save their own hides while not sinking Casey's any further. This is why I believe LE hasn't made a move to offer them any immunity deals. They already know what kind of people they are dealing with and the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. There will not be an immunity deal, no matter how much they beg or demand. If the cops were interested in that, they would have put that on the table a long time ago.

[shelban53]

Okay, how many of you sent your $10?

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=463556442

Yesterday I sent an email to mallory moms, jody parker asking her to please post the charities that the proceeds are being donated to.

[desmom]

Who besides me thinks that the defense is behind all of these yahoos coming and trying to insert themselves into the case and muddy the waters? It just seems strange that so many are showing up for their moment in the spotlight to misdirect everyone from the real monster, Casey. Her name is hardly mentioned in the news lately. Seems to be working. Now CA is back spouting off. I hope LE never gives them immunity. I want to hear her on the stand.

Good Morning!

I agree with you Kathlb!

Before Caylee's remains were found, we were heard about Caylee sightings.

After her remains were found, we heard about a woman that had a pic of the area that did not show a body IMO, the woman was quickly discredited and vanished from the headlines.

Then we learn of the D. Casey video. I believe it was an attempt to put doubt in the public's mind. I believe it did just the opposite. I saw it as someone that was not taking his search seriously and acted as if it was a "huge waste".

Casey was indicted in October on evidence LE had gathered and did not have a body. The discovery of the body only enforces the prosecution's case imo.

[shellzbi]

That would just give her grounds to file a harrassment suit against the company (semi-deep pockets). Why give her ammunition for another avenue to profit?


That is true. They are money mongers. Anything for a dollar.

If she doesn't comeback to work isn't that Job Abandonment?

[shelban53]

I don't believe the psychic for a minute....Where are these people popping up from?

reminds me of the "wack a mole" game. when one heads pop up..bash it with a mallet, then another head pops up...it doesnt end

[Pooh]

No I haven't........ I work for a major airline and we do not have anything like that....Vac and Sick time gone....No more paychecks.

I have never heard of it...... I think it is one of Cindy's "half-truths".

Not even a half truth I bet. I think she was making it up because of the need for her to show she has money coming in since it was the bond hearing. No employer, I don't care who it is, is going to pay an employee "forever" unless they're on the job working for it. She's delusional. imo

[kitty1182]

reminds me of the "wack a mole" game. when one heads pop up..bash it with a mallet, then another head pops up...it doesnt end



You are right..lol

[Claire]

That is true. They are money mongers. Anything for a dollar.

If she doesn't comeback to work isn't that Job Abandonment?

If she is entitled to time off, no. And she may have sick days and vacation and personal days accummulated so, no. If she is getting some kind of paycheck from that company, that would be a good indicator. Also, if she applied for and got family leave, then again, no job abandonment. You are entitled to several months leave and your job is secure.

[?noanswer]

Yeah, I hear ya. They have to know. Maybe they just don't want to admit it publically, but then say NOTHING.. As for the emails, I agree with you, shouldn't have made the news.. BUT if the news is going to report snippets, they might as well report the entire thing. Because I have doubts that Cindy initiated contact with her.. but that could be my hope in all of this LOL

I agree, C probably didn't initate the e-mails. C cannot pass up a fight. Look at all the times she got into confrontation with the protestors. None of the family should have come outside when there were protestors. JMO

[desmom]

Dr Baden said on Greta last night that they know who the father is. I cant understand why he keeps saying this unless it will be part of the trial. I think it will come out then but think Dr Baden just cant wait to blurt it out before then.
At least it isnt a secret any more. LE knows. I wonder what role this is going to play in the defense? I do think it will be part of the case since Baden keeps bringing it up.

Question: Is Dr. Baden a member of JB's Dream Team? I know his wife is, but what about Dr. Baden? TIA

[?noanswer]

But she's getting paid either way so why expend the energy? Being sarcastic here. I listened again to her testimony at the bond hearing yesterday and I heard, again, how she was saying her employer will pay her after her 5 weeks of vacation is gone for as long as she needs it. Something about a trust account and she works for a BIG corporation. I've never heard such a thing. I work for a BIG corporation too and we have no such option. Once your vacation is gone, the money is too unless you show up to work. Has anyone heard of a trust like she describes?

Not me. Just remember that is C saying that!! JMO

[CelticDawn]

Wow.......Very good.....

And in the news report they said the owner of the house Hernan Gonzalaz.......

Hernan---Herandez........Her Nanny
Gonzalaz-Gonzales.......



http://www.wftv.com/video/18473137/index.html

this is really too much.

How long was this house vacant? I wonder if caylee was kept there when there was nowhere else to leave her? The house was her nanny.
....How anyone could possibly !!!

all of these riddles are like something out of Silence of the Lambs!!!

[shelban53]

I agree, C probably didn't initate the e-mails. C cannot pass up a fight. Look at all the times she got into confrontation with the protestors. None of the family should have come outside when there were protestors. JMO

she was confrontational back in july with the major news shows. Yesterday I listened to an interview of cindy on FOX..wow she got nasty but the news person {cant remember her name} put her in her place. Lord help anyone if they talk about someone cindy doesnt want to talk about...she will get rude and evade the question and threatned to end the conversation immediately. the link was posted on yesterday afternoon thread.

[Claire]

This psychic on NG last night is full of &^%$.

I called ATT this morning and asked if I could get a print out of all the calls I received and dialed last month. No problem they said..it's on line at www.att.com

I also told them that what do I do if some of the calls were not listed?

They told me, and I quote.

" If the call is not listed, then the call would not have gone through."

Period.

This psychic made herself look like an idot last night, and Dom Casey IMO is digging the whole a little deeper.


I love this, Mac. I can take this one step further. I have gotten bills from a variety of telephone companies that have put telephone calls on my bills that I didn't make. But I have neverin my life received a bill with a telephone call that I made that wasn't there. They want their money. If they are not charging, it's because you didn't make the call.

[Pooh]

That is true. They are money mongers. Anything for a dollar.

If she doesn't comeback to work isn't that Job Abandonment?

YES! It is! Our company is very specific about that. If you don't come to work for 3 days without notifying your manager, you can be terminated. I don't believe for one minute she was given carte blanche by her employer. No place could afford that.

[shelban53]

this is really too much.

How long was this house vacant? I wonder if caylee was kept there when there was nowhere else to leave her? The house was her nanny.
....How anyone could possibly !!!

all of these riddles are like something out of Silence of the Lambs!!!

did LE investigate that house and look for evidence such as fingerprints or DNA? I mean, do they suspect some nefarious business going on in that house?

[?noanswer]

Does anyone knw how the psychic presumably had one of Caylee's teddy bears?

That was not brought out, but she said another psychic friend called her and suggested she get involved in the case. She looks rather young and did get hostile about some comments that were made questioning her calls to DC. JMO

[CelticDawn]

If she is entitled to time off, no. And she may have sick days and vacation and personal days accummulated so, no. If she is getting some kind of paycheck from that company, that would be a good indicator. Also, if she applied for and got family leave, then again, no job abandonment. You are entitled to several months leave and your job is secure.

That is what we would call it.

However....cindy may be able to weasle a psychiatric excuse out of all of this and get some kind of temporary disability out of the deal.....not enough money to be worth it IMO but we're talking about Cindy here

[Pooh]

If she is entitled to time off, no. And she may have sick days and vacation and personal days accummulated so, no. If she is getting some kind of paycheck from that company, that would be a good indicator. Also, if she applied for and got family leave, then again, no job abandonment. You are entitled to several months leave and your job is secure.

That's true but you don't get a paycheck while on leave. Only your job is held for you.

[Jeepers]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html


Article about the email

Thank you for the link.
Amazing Cindy never fails to mention her weight loss. I don't believe there is a interview out there without her talking about lack of sleep, food and water.
This has never been about Caylee. Cindy and Casey are just alike
both are so self centered there is not any room for anyone else for their time in the spotlight.
Cindy no matter what cannot keep her trap shut. Sending Lois that e-mail was so childish. I am glad Lois sent it to the news media at least I know now that their stance has not changed.
I can't believe but, can believe she is still spouting her defense for Casey. This whole family is nuts.
Casey murdered Caylee Intentionally is what the reports say. I don't know what evidense LE has to determine this, maybe something else in the bag outside of the tape on the mouth gave them more clues I don't know. Mr. Conway needs to talk with Cindy again. She is about to explode from staying off the red carpet.

[shellzbi]

I agree, C probably didn't initate the e-mails. C cannot pass up a fight. Look at all the times she got into confrontation with the protestors. None of the family should have come outside when there were protestors. JMO

I agree. Cindy is a Right Fighter. Always Right. She will always have the last word.

[Claire]

Question: Is Dr. Baden a member of JB's Dream Team? I know his wife is, but what about Dr. Baden? TIA

I tell you what I think is going to happen. Dr. Baden is setting up the groundwork and raising curiosity among the public (a potential jury pool) with the blessings of the defense dream team. When the time is right, he is going to "slip" the name of the father, and when that happens, as Leonard Padilla said months ago "it will shock the world" and all of this will play in favor of Casey's case. It will give Casey "public sympathy" which will favor her case. I think that the defense dream team doesn't do anything without a motive, and letting Baden yap on talk shows is no accident. That's my take.

[GentleBreeze]

Wow.......Very good.....

And in the news report they said the owner of the house Hernan Gonzalaz.......

Hernan---Herandez........

Gonzalaz-Gonzales.......



http://www.wftv.com/video/18473137/index.html

As if this case couldn't be more unbelievable. This video is nothing but a sham and was done with the whole purpose to seem like LE missed this evidence, when anyone with a gnat's brain would have called LE immediately to come check this home out of the Gonzalez', which of course they did not do. They are looking to blame anyone other than their precious guilty Casey.

So now the As have interjected this home and home owner into the case who had nothing whatsoever to do with the death of Caylee.

Imo, this is where Casey, the habitual liar, came up with the nonexistent nanny's name.

imoo

[shelban53]

YES! It is! Our company is very specific about that. If you don't come to work for 3 days without notifying your manager, you can be terminated. I don't believe for one minute she was given carte blanche by her employer. No place could afford that.

I work at a large company {10,000}. if you dont come to work after 6 months you can automatically be terminated even if you were on workmans comp or out on a personal injury. also, Im in pa and anyone can be fired at will. Right to hire {right to fire}, but that is Pa's law

[desmom]

It doesn't matter if Lois did initiate the contact, Cindy should have used her delete feature. All of these weeks of seclusion must be making her more insane. IMO

Bingo! Ignore, delete and block her email address. jmo

[Claire]

That's true but you don't get a paycheck while on leave. Only your job is held for you.

In some states, they will give you a short time with pay. It is that way in our state.

[?noanswer]

Morning Pooh!

I read that Cindy works for a Orthopedic Group in the Orlando Area. Not a large corp. with liberal leave or sick pay.

Heck, if I was her employer I would let her go. I would not want her working with me.

She has lost her mind. Not credible. JMO.

Wonder if they have a website? I designed a website for the Corp. I worked for. We listed positions available and included the fringe benefits that we offered. JMO

[enigma]

Thanks for bringing me back to reality...yea I guess I never really did believe casey that was that clever to leave cryptic clues all over the place.
KISS
she paniced and drove around the corner and dumped the body and when she got caught she was flying by the seat of her pants with her story. lie upon lie and was shocked when LE checked out her story, I mean..she was the victem why check on her...LE should be checking zanny the kidnapper.

ITA with your comment re Casey being surprised when LE started checking her stories, even though she'd had a whole month to think it through. As you say, she most probably thought she would be treated as the victim, never as the suspect and that caught her on the hop...

Besides, during that month her priorities were TL, parties, tatoos and shopping. Freedom to do what she wants. I don't think she gave Caylee a second thought, apart from those nightmares she was having at TL's place... She could have used the time to get her story straight, but she didn't. Just as well.

JMHO

[CelticDawn]

That's true but you don't get a paycheck while on leave. Only your job is held for you.
she could be on LWOP but If she has some kind of supplemental insurance that would cover her for six months to a year she may be receiving benefits....

[Claire]

I work at a large company {10,000}. if you dont come to work after 6 months you can automatically be terminated even if you were on workmans comp or out on a personal injury. also, Im in pa and anyone can be fired at will. Right to hire {right to fire}, but that is Pa's law


I don't know about Pennsylvania law, but that does not sound right. If you are on workers comp or Family Leave, your job should be protected. After you are off, it's a different story. But while you are on, your company should not be able to fire you. I would look into that. In any event, Cindy is apparently getting income from some source, otherwise how are they paying their bills?

[shelban53]

I tell you what I think is going to happen. Dr. Baden is setting up the groundwork and raising curiosity among the public (a potential jury pool) with the blessings of the defense dream team. When the time is right, he is going to "slip" the name of the father, and when that happens, as Leonard Padilla said months ago "it will shock the world" and all of this will play in favor of Casey's case. It will give Casey "public sympathy" which will favor her case. I think that the defense dream team doesn't do anything without a motive, and letting Baden yap on talk shows is no accident. That's my take.

Hmmmm, will have to keep a watch on baden. seems like its starting to be a war between the 2 networks. FOX..pro defense, CNBC..pro prosecution

[Pooh]

I work at a large company {10,000}. if you dont come to work after 6 months you can automatically be terminated even if you were on workmans comp or out on a personal injury. also, Im in pa and anyone can be fired at will. Right to hire {right to fire}, but that is Pa's law

We have that 6 month thing too. The company I work for has about 35,000 employees and is based in Ohio. And to think that Cindy is referencing a health care employer! Health care costs are high enough but no wonder if they're paying employees even if they don't show up for work! GMAB. Another "falsehood" (to be nice about it).

[Motomom]

But she's getting paid either way so why expend the energy? Being sarcastic here. I listened again to her testimony at the bond hearing yesterday and I heard, again, how she was saying her employer will pay her after her 5 weeks of vacation is gone for as long as she needs it. Something about a trust account and she works for a BIG corporation. I've never heard such a thing. I work for a BIG corporation too and we have no such option. Once your vacation is gone, the money is too unless you show up to work. Has anyone heard of a trust like she describes?

She said for as long as she needs it. I doubt that. I don't and have never worked for a big corporation so I have no clue. However, if I were an employee of a corporation such as that, and saw the abuse of that type of trust I might have a problem with it.

[shelban53]

I don't know about Pennsylvania law, but that does not sound right. If you are on workers comp or Family Leave, your job should be protected. After you are off, it's a different story. But while you are on, your company should not be able to fire you. I would look into that. In any event, Cindy is apparently getting income from some source, otherwise how are they paying their bills?

no its NOT protected. 6 months and your history!!

[GentleBreeze]

I tell you what I think is going to happen. Dr. Baden is setting up the groundwork and raising curiosity among the public (a potential jury pool) with the blessings of the defense dream team. When the time is right, he is going to "slip" the name of the father, and when that happens, as Leonard Padilla said months ago "it will shock the world" and all of this will play in favor of Casey's case. It will give Casey "public sympathy" which will favor her case. I think that the defense dream team doesn't do anything without a motive, and letting Baden yap on talk shows is no accident. That's my take.

Caylee was almost three years old and she was innocent. The trial will be about her death. Casey didn't even have to raise this child and could have passed her off to Cindy if she didn't want her. She had no right whatever no matter the circumstances of Caylee's birth to kill her and throw her away like trash. IMO, the jury will not lose sight of that.

imo

[Claire]

ITA with your comment re Casey being surprised when LE started checking her stories, even though she'd had a whole month to think it through. As you say, she most probably thought she would be treated as the victim, never as the suspect and that caught her on the hop...

Besides, during that month her priorities were TL, parties, tatoos and shopping. Freedom to do what she wants. I don't think she gave Caylee a second thought, apart from those nightmares she was having at TL's place... She could have used the time to get her story straight, but she didn't. Just as well.

JMHO

I wonder if it was worth it for her. A few weeks of partying and shopping in exchange for a lifetime behind bars.

[summer4meplz]

Dr Baden said on Greta last night that they know who the father is. I cant understand why he keeps saying this unless it will be part of the trial. I think it will come out then but think Dr Baden just cant wait to blurt it out before then.
At least it isnt a secret any more. LE knows. I wonder what role this is going to play in the defense? I do think it will be part of the case since Baden keeps bringing it up.


good morning everyone...!! Dr. Baden also said the skeleton was intact IIRC is there anything anyone says that we CAN believe?

cindy's nasty email to Lois......:scared::thumbdown:

[enigma]

I tell you what I think is going to happen. Dr. Baden is setting up the groundwork and raising curiosity among the public (a potential jury pool) with the blessings of the defense dream team. When the time is right, he is going to "slip" the name of the father, and when that happens, as Leonard Padilla said months ago "it will shock the world" and all of this will play in favor of Casey's case. It will give Casey "public sympathy" which will favor her case. I think that the defense dream team doesn't do anything without a motive, and letting Baden yap on talk shows is no accident. That's my take.

With respect, I don't think Dr Baden needs the defense's blessing or permission to talk on any talk show. The defense is not "letting" him talk. He's not in their employ.

JMHO

[desmom]

I tell you what I think is going to happen. Dr. Baden is setting up the groundwork and raising curiosity among the public (a potential jury pool) with the blessings of the defense dream team. When the time is right, he is going to "slip" the name of the father, and when that happens, as Leonard Padilla said months ago "it will shock the world" and all of this will play in favor of Casey's case. It will give Casey "public sympathy" which will favor her case. I think that the defense dream team doesn't do anything without a motive, and letting Baden yap on talk shows is no accident. That's my take.

Thanks Claire. Now I understand why the prosecution asked for a gag order back in November. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2608nov26,0,848692.story

[ellegna]

I can't wait to hear who was really on the other end...I think it was JB..imo

As much as I question his competency, I do not think JB is that stupid to use telephones registered to him to call Dom Casey. (unless he used a disposable) Not sure on this but I believe calls made/received by JB would be deemed as privileged but Dom Casey's phone records are not.
If it's proved he was not on the phone with the psychic I believe Dom Casey was on the phone with someone from the A camp.

[summer4meplz]

Even for weddings it's unheard of to send out "we're having a wedding and you're not invited" notes. Sheeesh! What's next? My advice to the Anthony's: Make it private and dignified and do it for Caylee.

JMO

I don't think cindy knows the meaning of dignified.....she is one classless woman.......imo

I can't even imagine who would be at the private funeral beside cindy, george, lee and whatever videographer that paid the most

[Pooh]

She said for as long as she needs it. I doubt that. I don't and have never worked for a big corporation so I have no clue. However, if I were an employee of a corporation such as that, and saw the abuse of that type of trust I might have a problem with it.

No kidding! Talk about setting a precedent. Wow.

[Motomom]

It doesn't matter if Lois did initiate the contact, Cindy should have used her delete feature. All of these weeks of seclusion must be making her more insane. IMO

I agree with you there.

[summer4meplz]

I dont think casey ever saw the real zenida just the card, now lets throw a monley wrench in that and talk about where the body was found. Inbetween the back of the 2 neighbors off of hopespring, one a zenida the other a gonzales, now lets throw in the code talk between her and Lee where is sounds like casey said " she is close to HOPE vs home.

and don't forget the last numbers of the zenaida and gonzales addresses.....9 and 1....the time casey says she dropped Caylee off....

this is too weird......I am not the one that has put this together...just passing along more weirdness....

[CuriousJo]

QUOTE: Originally Posted by margaritaville
Wow.......Very good.....

And in the news report they said the owner of the house Hernan Gonzalaz.......

Hernan---Herandez........Her Nanny
Gonzalaz-Gonzales.....

http://www.wftv.com/video/18473137/index.html, END QUOTE

Interesting video. I think the LE believe this Anthony PI video was simply staged in hopes of helping the Defense team. Looks like Lenny was set up - according to him, the PI called him and said lets go get the body. Now Lenny is all over the news broadcasting this..... when in reality, the LE believe they wanted to put doubt in potential jurers/public minds when we hear there was a vacant home with owner by name of Gonzalez- who cares if not same first name and last name spelled wrong. The average person wouldn't pick up on this. If this really was a crime scene or house where Casey would leave Caylee, then the Defense team would be in trouble for not alerting the FBI a few months ago. In the end, the Defense was closer to the body then they may have realized.

[summer4meplz]

Add in where she said she dropped her off between 9 and 1.. stolen from another poster :)

lol honor among thieves....I'm behind and just noticed you added this lol motormom

[enigma]

I wonder if it was worth it for her. A few weeks of partying and shopping in exchange for a lifetime behind bars.

In her blissful ignorance, or should I say arrogance, she never dreamt she'd get caught. She'd be the victim who would inspire sympathy and nurture in her time of grief, not the accused child killer who inspires nothing but anger, disbelief and contempt.

In those times, I don't think she could think any further than her next party and her next encounter with Tone...

JMHO

[Neffy]

This is so funny, all yesterday morning it was talked about if they are still selling T-shirts, hours later they make a statement saying, if anyone wants these, here is how to get them, because I am sure a few people here sent them emails inquiring, not because they wanted them, but to see if they were still making money off the shirts, so they probably took the inquiring as legit interest, when it was not and made that statement on their myspace based on the inquires, that were just made to find a reason to shun these people, its obvious to me, but please go on tearing these people apart, its pretty constructive.


I don't see this to be funny at all.

We set the Anthony's up?
That's a pretty strong accusation against all of us here.

Instead of the blanket statement "a few"

Which ones GemmaCat? Pray tell.

[Motomom]

If she is entitled to time off, no. And she may have sick days and vacation and personal days accummulated so, no. If she is getting some kind of paycheck from that company, that would be a good indicator. Also, if she applied for and got family leave, then again, no job abandonment. You are entitled to several months leave and your job is secure.

I was just going to ask about FMLA.. now you get paid for that too, at least in jersey..Something else that is highly abused. I wonder if that is what she is talking about? But even if that is the case, it can't be enough money to keep them afloat IMO

[CuriousJo]

With respect, I don't think Dr Baden needs the defense's blessing or permission to talk on any talk show. The defense is not "letting" him talk. He's not in their employ.

JMHO

Though, Mr. Badens WIFE happens to be in the Defense Team enloy.

[summer4meplz]

Does anyone knw how the psychic presumably had one of Caylee's teddy bears?


no, I don't think so but I highly doubt that was one of Caylee's teddy bears....imo

[Claire]

Gentlebreeze:

Wow! I don't have any idea how you gleaned that from my post! At any rate we were told not to mention that word nor quote it. Just for the record, I never used that word, nor was that what I was implying. My point which you obviously missed, was that the defense team does not do anything without a reason or a motive.

[Pooh]

Many many co's take compassion on cases like this. Damon van dam worked for my co - and he took all the time he needed (paid). Many donations, etc. I think it was at least 6 months or more.

Then again, it depends on the co. But most wouldn't want the bad reputation of firing someone for the murder of a grandchild.

JMHO

That's a very good point. I'm glad Damon was paid. I don't put him in the same class as Cindy though.

[Claire]

I was just going to ask about FMLA.. now you get paid for that too, at least in jersey..Something else that is highly abused. I wonder if that is what she is talking about? But even if that is the case, it can't be enough money to keep them afloat IMO

I agree, this is not enough money for a couple to live on, unless their mortgage, credit cards and cars are substantially paid off. I can almost understand the website pushing the bracelets and tee-shirts---NOT. I still think that is not the right way to go to keep afloat. But with these people, anything goes I guess.

[BJames]

ITA with your comment re Casey being surprised when LE started checking her stories, even though she'd had a whole month to think it through. As you say, she most probably thought she would be treated as the victim, never as the suspect and that caught her on the hop...

Besides, during that month her priorities were TL, parties, tatoos and shopping. Freedom to do what she wants. I don't think she gave Caylee a second thought, apart from those nightmares she was having at TL's place... She could have used the time to get her story straight, but she didn't. Just as well.

JMHO

I agree Enigma...I don't believe that Casey ever even thought of LE questioning her until Lee asked her what she was going to tell them..and that is even if that exchange between Casey and Lee ever took place..who knows?
Again..it appears that Casey thinks in short spurts. Whenever she lies (most of the time!) she has no other avenue to follow, especially when she has been caught. But she sure does 'expand' on the lies...for example the great mistruth about Zanny being in an 'accident' and them having to stay. The doctors 'missing' an injury...right down to the details...her having to retrieve Zanny's medical insurance.
Cindy (and George) had always believed her...because they wanted to.
Casey never had any motivation to tell the truth, nor any consequences for not doing so.
All of her life the Anthony's not only believed her, but they 'defended' her...right down to other family members when she was obviously very pregnant.
Why would she ever believe that LE would question her...when of course..she was the vicitim. My guess on the defense side? Baez is going to go the victim route again..only this time it is going to be a 'victim' of the Anthony family....and maybe the whole wide world?
Poor Casey... :blink:

Just my opinion of course...

[*MoonRider*]

If the Anthony's feel that Casey is truly innocent why haven't they visited the Mother of the Year? Who cares if it is videotaped? If you have nothing to hide and she is innocent wouldn't you comfort the OC after the remains were identified? Unless of course Casey is refusing visits. :shrug:

[Jeepers]

Even if Caylee was a child of incest, which is yet to be determined, it will not make any juror sympathetic toward Casey. Caylee was almost three years old and she was innocent. The trial will be about her death. Casey didn't even have to raise this child and could have passed her off to Cindy if she didn't want her. She had no right whatever no matter the circumstances of Caylee's birth to kill her and throw her away like trash. IMO, the jury will not lose sight of that.

imo

That is so true. I don't care who the father is or what the circumstances were. If it were rape, incest, one night stand and if they felt they could not deal with it they should have put Caylee up for adoption.
I don't think any juror would sympathize with Casey. Being pregnant and unwed is not the stigma it was back in the day. Through the media people have become use to these stories of rape and incest it just does not stick out like it did when I was young.
I don't think I would be anymore shocked with finding out who the daddy is than finding out the Anthony's are so callous and cold when it comes to Justice for Caylee. I have never heard of a case where the whole family are liars.

[CelticDawn]

did LE investigate that house and look for evidence such as fingerprints or DNA? I mean, do they suspect some nefarious business going on in that house?

I don't know and haven't seen anything from LE. It is just another riddle...More Caseyspeak that could possibly mean something. at this point, ...having those PIs have knowledge just leads me to believe that if anything was there....they made4 quick work of it at the behest of THEM.

[summer4meplz]

Good Morning!

I agree with you Kathlb!

Before Caylee's remains were found, we were heard about Caylee sightings.

After her remains were found, we heard about a woman that had a pic of the area that did not show a body IMO, the woman was quickly discredited and vanished from the headlines.

Then we learn of the D. Casey video. I believe it was an attempt to put doubt in the public's mind. I believe it did just the opposite. I saw it as someone that was not taking his search seriously and acted as if it was a "huge waste".

Casey was indicted in October on evidence LE had gathered and did not have a body. The discovery of the body only enforces the prosecution's case imo.

(note to self...read all posts before you reply) breaking my own note...Des.....you know that woman that said she has a pic is Joy Wray who also claims to be married to one of the anthonys PI's...we've talked about her antics before....Blanchard park praying woman AND she claims she's with TES when the cowboy is giving Lenny a hard time....

[desmom]

I was just going to ask about FMLA.. now you get paid for that too, at least in jersey..Something else that is highly abused. I wonder if that is what she is talking about? But even if that is the case, it can't be enough money to keep them afloat IMO

From the U.S. Department of Labor: http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/fmla/

Covered employers must grant an eligible employee up to a total of 12 workweeks of unpaid leave during any 12-month period for one or more of the following reasons:

* for the birth and care of the newborn child of the employee;
* for placement with the employee of a son or daughter for adoption or foster care;
* to care for an immediate family member (spouse, child, or parent) with a serious health condition; or
* to take medical leave when the employee is unable to work because of a serious health condition.

[enigma]

good morning everyone...!! Dr. Baden also said the skeleton was intact IIRC is there anything anyone says that we CAN believe?

cindy's nasty email to Lois......:scared::thumbdown:

At the risk of sounding like I'm some sort of Dr Baden apologist, I don't remember him saying anything about the skeleton being intact. in fact, on Greta'sshow yesterday he referred again to how her bones were scattered in the area where she was found. I think what he did say is that he believes they found nearly all of Caylee's body, which is far from saying her skeleton was intact.

re Cindy's email to Lois... I don't know if Cindy know how not to be nasty, when it comes to defending Casey... Who will ever forget those lovely compliments she was throwing about (maggots, etc). nice lady. NOT. :thumbdown:

[CANDYKISSES]

Hello....

I don't think this is where Casey came up with the nanny.

Check this out...

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez

It's not HERNANDEZ IMO.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/president-bush.html

JMO. :cool:

[Claire]

no its NOT protected. 6 months and your history!!

Okay, don't get so excited. Cindy and Geo. don't live in Pennsylvania anyway so this conversation is kind of moot, wouldn't you say? In any event, Cindy and Geo. have to be getting some income somehow, whether it is through her company, through the State or Federal Government or through donations. Either way, whatever it is, it's keeping them afloat.

What do you think of Cindy's emails barring Dakota's family from the public memorial service which isn't even being planned yet?

[CelticDawn]

Maybe from the Anthony's trash pile. Rememeber they threw out all the stuffed animals people sent for Caylee early on in the case. These people are just unbelievable all the way around.

I thought psychics worked with items of the person in life.....Could it have been something from the anthonys??<although I doubt it since they already knew caylee was dead>

[desmom]

(note to self...read all posts before you reply) breaking my own note...Des.....you know that woman that said she has a pic is Joy Wray who also claims to be married to one of the anthonys PI's...we've talked about her antics before....Blanchard park praying woman AND she claims she's with TES when the cowboy is giving Lenny a hard time....


I forgot about that...yep, more antics by the defense to stir the pot. IMO, their pot is about to boil over.

[CANDYKISSES]

If the Anthony's feel that Casey is truly innocent why haven't they visited the Mother of the Year? Who cares if it is videotaped? If you have nothing to hide and she is innocent wouldn't you comfort the OC after the remains were identified? Unless of course Casey is refusing visits. :shrug:

I would love to know if Casey is refusing the family and suspect that's probably it if Cindy is back to cheer leading for her. :blushing: JMO

[CelticDawn]

Hello....

I don't think this is where Casey came up with the nanny.

Check this out...

Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez

It's not HERNANDEZ IMO.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/09/president-bush.html

JMO. :cool:
I dont either candy....but I do see Her Nan in Hernandez....just my speculating on Casey leaving that baby in that house as a babysitter....It fits with Caseyspeak.

[CNTM]

If the Anthony's feel that Casey is truly innocent why haven't they visited the Mother of the Year? Who cares if it is videotaped? If you have nothing to hide and she is innocent wouldn't you comfort the OC after the remains were identified? Unless of course Casey is refusing visits. :shrug:

Wasn't there a link some where that she did refuse visits? :shrug: If I believed my child were innocent, I would be there daily for them. It would not matter if the visits were taped at all.

[Duckaroo]

This case is so twisted, I miss a day or even a few ours and I'm behind . I was just reading about CA and the nasty email. I can't believe, given what's going on in her life at the moment, esp. now that they've found Caylee's body, she would take the time to send an email like that..or even have the mind to.

I'm also curious..I was reading the article about the email, I was unsure who Louis and Dakota were at first, I remember them now after reading that. But, I noticed the article stated Louis attempted to get a restraining order but was "unsuccessful" and CA continued to correspond with the little girl. I'm not sure why they wouldn't grant a restraining order, the girl is only 12 after all.

[CelticDawn]

I would love to know if Casey is refusing the family and suspect that's probably it if Cindy is back to cheer leading for her. :blushing: JMO

Is the official visitors list of prisoners a part of thee Sunshine Law....or does that somehow fall through the cracks as an invasion of privacy of the visitors...???

[summer4meplz]

With respect, I don't think Dr Baden needs the defense's blessing or permission to talk on any talk show. The defense is not "letting" him talk. He's not in their employ.

JMHO


true but he doesn't have anyone's permission to leak info....such as paternity.....imo

[CNTM]

Is the official visitors list of prisoners a part of thee Sunshine Law....or does that somehow fall through the cracks as an invasion of privacy of the visitors...???

Very good question. Guess I'd better Google.

[Jeepers]

If the Anthony's feel that Casey is truly innocent why haven't they visited the Mother of the Year? Who cares if it is videotaped? If you have nothing to hide and she is innocent wouldn't you comfort the OC after the remains were identified? Unless of course Casey is refusing visits. :shrug:

If I was crying in the wilderness my daughter was innocent and that she would never do such a thing you bet I would be down at the jail even if Casey refused to see me my presense would be known to the world that I believed with all my heart and soul LE had the wrong person in jail. I would be protesting on every talk show and telling my story to anyone who would listen.
C & G did not look for Caylee only lip service now again support for Casey behind an e-mail to Lois.

[Claire]

I dont either candy....but I do see Her Nan in Hernandez....just my speculating on Casey leaving that baby in that house as a babysitter....It fits with Caseyspeak.


Leaving Caylee in a house alone, incredibly careless on her part. Unless she is drugging Caylee to the point of absolutely no chance of her waking up while she is alone, how does Casey leave Caylee and not worry that while she is gone, Caylee isn't going to wake up and wander out in the street and either get hit by a car or some other neighbor finding her wandering and calling the police. That would not be consistent with Casey's mind-set which up until the time she killed her, would be the appearance of being the perfect mother. I do not believe Casey ever left Caylee in a house alone to go out and whatever.

[CelticDawn]

good morning everyone...!! Dr. Baden also said the skeleton was intact IIRC is there anything anyone says that we CAN believe?

cindy's nasty email to Lois......:scared::thumbdown:

If that skeleton was intact then there would have to have been soft tissue. How can these people just blatantly lie about already established information???

[WillowInFlight]

If the Anthony's feel that Casey is truly innocent why haven't they visited the Mother of the Year? Who cares if it is videotaped? If you have nothing to hide and she is innocent wouldn't you comfort the OC after the remains were identified? Unless of course Casey is refusing visits. :shrug:

I have been saying the same thing for weeks. Either Baez has cut them off or Casey has. I don't buy that they haven't visited because the visits are being taped. Who would care if they went up Christmas to spend time with her?

[CNTM]

Here's what's covered under the Sunshine Law. It's long, but "Page Down" is wonderful.

http://www.myfloridalegal.com/sun.nsf/manual/5A60474CBFB8DBF4852566F30068571F

[kOOkie1]

I agree, this is not enough money for a couple to live on, unless their mortgage, credit cards and cars are substantially paid off. I can almost understand the website pushing the bracelets and tee-shirts---NOT. I still think that is not the right way to go to keep afloat. But with these people, anything goes I guess.

..yea and I thought the A's were in financial hardship as it is even before their daughter killed their grandaughter. They have to be living on something..I really dont get these people! They sure know how to make it hard to have any sympathy for them..:mad:

[CelticDawn]

Leaving Caylee in a house alone, incredibly careless on her part. Unless she is drugging Caylee to the point of absolutely no chance of her waking up while she is alone, how does Casey leave Caylee and not worry that while she is gone, Caylee isn't going to wake up and wander out in the street and either get hit by a car or some other neighbor finding her wandering and calling the police. That would not be consistent with Casey's mind-set which up until the time she killed her, would be the appearance of being the perfect mother. I do not believe Casey ever left Caylee in a house alone to go out and whatever.


Appearances are just that....a thin veneer...Nobody could possibly have foreseen this tragedy based on caseys appearance. as for the means and opportunity to drug caylee to sleep and leave her there....it exists<chloroform> I dont believe this either, but since the subject was brought up...before I make up my mind...I had to look at the probabilities.

[Claire]

true but he doesn't have anyone's permission to leak info....such as paternity.....imo

And he knows better to talk about this issue on national tv without the permission and/or blessing of the defense team. As I said, I think so many times we underestimate Baez and the dream team. They won't do anything that will not benefit their case.

[marshmallow]

sent by Cindy Anthony

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18471440/detail.html

why cant cindy just give it a rest. why does she go and seek out something nasty to say. doesnt she have better things to do with her time other than sending an old lady an email saying im having a funeral and you cant come? wonder if she ended it with neener neener neener.



my son asked if she added "nah-nee-nah-nee-boo-boo" at the end. It's all about control, Cindy must have control and she found a way to get it. Without control she feels powerless and doesn't seem to be able to function.

I agree with the poster who said that this is not denial. I don't think it ever was.
w/b shel :)

[shelban53]

Okay, don't get so excited. Cindy and Geo. don't live in Pennsylvania anyway so this conversation is kind of moot, wouldn't you say? In any event, Cindy and Geo. have to be getting some income somehow, whether it is through her company, through the State or Federal Government or through donations. Either way, whatever it is, it's keeping them afloat.

What do you think of Cindy's emails barring Dakota's family from the public memorial service which isn't even being planned yet?

I think it was inappropriate and it isnt gaining cindy any sympathy points. It just reenforces how classless and uncouth cindy really is. She needs to learn how to say NO COMMENT

[Pooh]

..yea and I thought the A's were in financial hardship as it is even before their daughter killed their grandaughter. They have to be living on something..I really dont get these people! They sure know how to make it hard to have any sympathy for them..:mad:

You'd think someone in the media would be checking into their financial situation. I know it's none of our business but I'm very curious what they're living on. I know I couldn't make it without my full paycheck coming every two weeks! LOL

[march27]

I know when I worked for a large insurance company and became pregnant I was protected for 90 days by FMLA. The company even had long term disability that you could purchase (60%) of your income for up to a year. I dont think it would be to hard for Cindy to convince her employer she is a "mental" disability due to all the events that have taken place. I knew many people that had FMLA due to panic attacks and would leave early every Friday to go out knowing their job was protected. It was severly misused. All you need is one docter to fill out a form and you are protected.

[CANDYKISSES]

I believe that whole psychic thing is bs, but that's MO. I believe he was on the phone with someone in the Anthony camp.:w00t:

IF LE has access to all DC's phones used during that time, I suspect we will find he was in and out of touch with George or LEE IMOO. :mellow:

[BJames]

If that skeleton was intact then there would have to have been soft tissue. How can these people just blatantly lie about already established information???

As I am learning...as long as you're not under oath it is apparently perfectly OK to lie. And even if you are 'swearing' to it..act confused...deny knowing that you're under oath.
Anyone can say anything they want...this is going to be a very precedent setting case.
In the future we will hear about folks breaking the law and everyone and their brother just lying about it...ask long as LE can't 'prove' it?..What the heck eh...you're under no obligation to be honest?

Just my opinion of course...

[enigma]

Though, Mr. Badens WIFE happens to be in the Defense Team enloy.

Yes, I realise that, but does that mean that everything he says must be coloured with the defense brush?

I mean, the guy is a forensic scientist who has appeared on Greta's show countless numbers of times in many different cases as an expert in forensics. Not as someone's husband, which it seems is all he has been reduced to since his wife became part of the defense team.

I don't care if his name is Baden or St Christopher or Mephistopheles. No-one should lose their status and credibility overnight simply by virtue of being someone's spouse. :shrug:

JMHO

[*MoonRider*]

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=352

Heres the real story about "Lois"

Why does it not surprise me that you would provide a link to THAT site?

[Claire]

I know when I worked for a large insurance company and became pregnant I was protected for 90 days by FMLA. The company even had long term disability that you could purchase (60%) of your income for up to a year. I dont think it would be to hard for Cindy to convince her employer she is a "mental" disability due to all the events that have taken place. I knew many people that had FMLA due to panic attacks and would leave early every Friday to go out knowing their job was protected. It was severly misused. All you need is one docter to fill out a form and you are protected.

Yes, very similar in some states to get a handicapped placard for your car. All it takes is one doctor to sign a form and voila! you have a handicapped temp sticker for your car. I digress. I don't think it would be that much of a stretch to learn that Cindy had a good benefits plan at her place of business. Lots of companies offer temporary and long term insurance policies for a very small amount taken out of your paycheck. Also, there are other things that you can apply for which I bet George and Cindy have. The credit card insurance where if you lose your income, they will "stay" your payments. The mortgage insurance which is similar. They will forgive your payments for a period of time if you lose your income. Several avenues, that they could tap into. These are not stupid people.

[barskin&co.]

I am NOT being disrespectful. The only people being disrespectful are the A's for selling t-shirts and bracelets that are now meaningless. How about a funeral for that poor child.? I'd certainly send 10.00 for a respectful funeral. From my perspective (and I could be wrong) they are treating this funeral like the presidential inaguration......

Peace,

You, know, Mel, I've been a little out of it so when I herad about this selling tee shirts and bracelets, I was doubtful. But, noooooo, ask George.

Caylee Shirt Request Questions

This is a response to many of you who have written us requests for shirts and bracelets from the search for Caylee Marie; we still have some left and if you would like to purchase them please follow these steps:

Please mail your name, address, phone number, e-mail address, and what you would like to purchase (shirt/bracelet) and size to George Anthony: cost $10

Checks payable to: Help Find Caylee Marie Anthony
The Anthony Family
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Orlando, FL 32829

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=463556442

:w00t:

[Regina.Lampert]

Dr Baden said on Greta last night that they know who the father is. I cant understand why he keeps saying this unless it will be part of the trial. I think it will come out then but think Dr Baden just cant wait to blurt it out before then.
At least it isnt a secret any more. LE knows. I wonder what role this is going to play in the defense? I do think it will be part of the case since Baden keeps bringing it up.

Good morning everyone. Alert posters will remember that many moons ago, Mark Williams on Nancy Grace also said LE knows who the father is and it will be revealed at trial.

[BJames]

And he knows better to talk about this issue on national tv without the permission and/or blessing of the defense team. As I said, I think so many times we underestimate Baez and the dream team. They won't do anything that will not benefit their case.

I agree Claire...but I am not giving Baez credit for it at all.
LKB is riding shotgun on this...and she's been around the block more than once. I have no doubt that Linda could give Cindy a true run for her money...and it may well come to that, especially if the defense uses any 'victim' defense for Casey's trial.

Just my opinion of course..

[kOOkie1]

You'd think someone in the media would be checking into their financial situation. I know it's none of our business but I'm very curious what they're living on. I know I couldn't make it without my full paycheck coming every two weeks! LOL

..Im surprised they havent?!..I thought they were losing their house at one point shortly before all of this??

[Duckaroo]

http://beaconhell.com/blog/?p=352

Heres the real story about "Lois"

Thanks...That just causes me to wonder that much more though, why on earth CA would take time to correspond or reply to someone if that's what they're all about. Her grandchild's been murdered, she's hasn't even been laid to rest yet, her daughter's in jail charged with it, just is mind-boggling to me she would take any time at all to bother with something like that.

[barskin&co.]

Good morning everyone. Alert posters will remember that many moons ago, Mark Williams on Nancy Grace also said LE knows who the father is and it will be revealed at trial.

I am amazed that, if they indeed know who the father is, it has not leaked out.

[CelticDawn]

As I am learning...as long as you're not under oath it is apparently perfectly OK to lie. And even if you are 'swearing' to it..act confused...deny knowing that you're under oath.
Anyone can say anything they want...this is going to be a very precedent setting case.
In the future we will hear about folks breaking the law and everyone and their brother just lying about it...ask long as LE can't 'prove' it?..What the heck eh...you're under no obligation to be honest?

Just my opinion of course...
sad but true....but you would think that professional people with at least some inside information as to what is fact and what is not would want something that could be impeached in an instant to be accurate.... If for no other reason than to preserve their professional credibility...

[Pooh]

LOL Cat! That pretty much sums it up right there!

So now you're wanting to show that Lois is "lower" than Cindy? The e-mails speak for themselves. imo

[GentleBreeze]

Gentlebreeze:

Wow! I don't have any idea how you gleaned that from my post! At any rate we were told not to mention that word nor quote it. Just for the record, I never used that word, nor was that what I was implying. My point which you obviously missed, was that the defense team does not do anything without a reason or a motive.

Oh I am sorry. I will ask CW to remove my post. All along I have thought that was what Baden has been eluding to...I haven't posted on here for weeks so I didn't know we weren't to use that word.

Again, sorry. I will be more careful in the future.

imoo

[summer4meplz]

Good morning everyone. Alert posters will remember that many moons ago, Mark Williams on Nancy Grace also said LE knows who the father is and it will be revealed at trial.


and....iirc....this was before Allen went out to see Mark Hawkins.....

I didn't realize Conway was also dominic casey's attorney until Kathy Belich reported it.....hmmm...kinda curious, yes?

and Motomom....sorry about the R......

one more thing...regarding Baden saying the skeleton was intact....this was discussed yesterday but I can't say when or where he said this so please feel free to disregard.....

[Pooh]

Good morning everyone. Alert posters will remember that many moons ago, Mark Williams on Nancy Grace also said LE knows who the father is and it will be revealed at trial.

Oh snap Regina. I had forgotten about that!

[Claire]

I agree Claire...but I am not giving Baez credit for it at all.
LKB is riding shotgun on this...and she's been around the block more than once. I have no doubt that Linda could give Cindy a true run for her money...and it may well come to that, especially if the defense uses any 'victim' defense for Casey's trial.

Just my opinion of course..

BJ, that's exactly what my line of thought was and has been for a while. They are laying the groundwork with these leaks. If you watch the FOX news, you will notice, lots of leaks, setting up a "victim defense". Something they are going to reveal will set up Casey as a victim of a horrific experience, the victim of a crime, child abuse perhaps, something that would make the potential jurors start to sympathize with Casey. Think JURY POOL JURY POOL JURY POOL and go from there.

[jakee]

Channel 9 Interviews Psychic

http://www.wftv.com/video/18477034/index.html


Thank you for that link. She sure does sound sure of herself and that the phone records will prove it. Maybe she is a good actress? Is that part of her business, to sound so convincing? I don't know what to think about her. Maybe she is for real. She also claims (if I heard correctly) that she helped find a missing girl in Michigan. I wonder if that is true.

I just really want to hear the truth who D. Casey was talking to. I am leaning more towards this psychic is telling a mistruth.

[desmom]

And he knows better to talk about this issue on national tv without the permission and/or blessing of the defense team. As I said, I think so many times we underestimate Baez and the dream team. They won't do anything that will not benefit their case.

Question for legal experts:

If Dr. Baden and the Mrs. discussed the case...say privileged info, what does that do to the client/attorney privilege issue? What if he let something slip on one of the national news programs? TIA

[SavannahStar]

You'd think someone in the media would be checking into their financial situation. I know it's none of our business but I'm very curious what they're living on. I know I couldn't make it without my full paycheck coming every two weeks! LOL

Good grief! I would HOPE no one in the media is "checking into their financial situation!" :ohmy: :rolleyes:

[*MoonRider*]

and....iirc....this was before Allen went out to see Mark Hawkins.....

I didn't realize Conway was also dominic casey's attorney until Kathy Belich reported it.....hmmm...kinda curious, yes?

and Motomom....sorry about the R......

one more thing...regarding Baden saying the skeleton was intact....this was discussed yesterday but I can't say when or where he said this so please feel free to disregard.....

Bolded my me. I hadn't heard that. Must be why Conway said he doesn't need an attorney because he already had one. :confused:

[WillowInFlight]

I know the truth hurts. But please keep on degrading Cindy Anthony, yet sticking up for a grandmother like Lois, but then again to each their own, you sure as heck wont find me backing someone who pimps their grandchild out in smoke filled bars and has a myspace page that states she was 11 and skinnydipping, just because she said some bad stuff about Cindy Anthony and it agrees with your thoughts.

You won't find me backing Lois, what she is doing to Dakota is a sin, but you also won't see me backing a woman who has shown no respect for her murdered granddaughter.

[enigma]

I agree Enigma...I don't believe that Casey ever even thought of LE questioning her until Lee asked her what she was going to tell them..and that is even if that exchange between Casey and Lee ever took place..who knows?
Again..it appears that Casey thinks in short spurts. Whenever she lies (most of the time!) she has no other avenue to follow, especially when she has been caught. But she sure does 'expand' on the lies...for example the great mistruth about Zanny being in an 'accident' and them having to stay. The doctors 'missing' an injury...right down to the details...her having to retrieve Zanny's medical insurance.
Cindy (and George) had always believed her...because they wanted to.
Casey never had any motivation to tell the truth, nor any consequences for not doing so.
All of her life the Anthony's not only believed her, but they 'defended' her...right down to other family members when she was obviously very pregnant.
Why would she ever believe that LE would question her...when of course..she was the vicitim. My guess on the defense side? Baez is going to go the victim route again..only this time it is going to be a 'victim' of the Anthony family....and maybe the whole wide world?
Poor Casey... :blink:

Just my opinion of course...

(bolding is mine)

I love the way you put it... Casey thinks in spurts. ITA!! Those embellishments she thinks up make her stories sound more realistic. So I think that when she does come up with an idea, then she has a 'spurt' of imagination to add to it, thinking the more detailed the story, the more plausible it appears...

And yes, I can totally see the 'victim of the Anthonys' defense.

JMHO

[Pooh]

You won't find me backing Lois, what she is doing to Dakota is a sin, but you also won't see me backing a woman who has shown no respect for her murdered granddaughter.

Very well put, Willow.

[WillowInFlight]

I show respect for victims of crimes, I dont take this personally, if you want to think Cindy is a lower human being who does not have emotions or whatnot, go ahead, I am not cut like that and never will be.

jmo
I show respect for victims of crimes too, and the victim of this crime is CAYLEE.

[*MoonRider*]

Because I think Cindy has a soft spot in her heart for Dakota, and how could you not? There is a clip of Dakota walking hand in hand with George and Cindy at that vigil, I think they liked the girl, but are so appalled by her grandmother, and rightfully so.

Cindy, soft spot. :lol:

[shelban53]

You won't find me backing Lois, what she is doing to Dakota is a sin, but you also won't see me backing a woman who has shown no respect for her murdered granddaughter.

Lois was one of the reason I stopped watching Murt. I realized immediately she was uhhh hmmmm, not right. Why cindy continues to communicate her is beyond me. They both are of the same mold.

[tootie]

Good morning everyone. Alert posters will remember that many moons ago, Mark Williams on Nancy Grace also said LE knows who the father is and it will be revealed at trial.

That is so sad. If they know who the father is, and the father is deceased, then the grandparents have every right to know that this was their grandaughter too.

[enigma]

true but he doesn't have anyone's permission to leak info....such as paternity.....imo

That's true too. But what did he "leak"? That LE know who the father is? I actually took his words to mean that since LE now have Caylee's DNA, they know who the father is, as in... if they had teh father's DNA, they would be able to match it. I'm not saying I'm right, that's just how I interpeted his words.

Besides, this whole case is peppered with leaks, much like a sieve LOL. Who gave permission for those?

Anyway, I'm on the same page with you, but I think Baden is catching a raw deal here because his wife happens to be on the defense team, not because of anything he said or did...

JMHO

[*MoonRider*]

And those inquiries were written by people here who had to prove that the Anthonys were out for a buck, so basically this was a manipulated effort to get them to address the issue, and you can argue thats not the case, but the timing was too perfect, it was discussed and they were degraded for not updating their website, so a bunch of people sent emails asking if they could buy the rest of the stuff. Of course if someone is going to flood you with emails asking if you were still selling this stuff, well, if theres demand, and a supply, why not. It sucks the Anthonys thought people actually wanted to buy these things, and why not, the money was going to CHARITY anyways, not in their pockets, that has been stated over and over again.

IIRC the posters here emailed to find out where the money was being donated, not expressing interest in purchasing items. IMO Do you have proof of this?

[Duckaroo]

I understand CA may have a soft spot for the girl, Dakota..but, by CA responding to this woman(Louis) instead of ignoring her and her emails. I don't see that it's doing any good for the girl. Arguing with her and acknowledging her she's just keeping this type of thing going, then it gets put out there in the media..that's not helping this little girl either, nor CA. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

and....iirc....this was before Allen went out to see Mark Hawkins.....

I didn't realize Conway was also dominic casey's attorney until Kathy Belich reported it.....hmmm...kinda curious, yes?

and Motomom....sorry about the R......

one more thing...regarding Baden saying the skeleton was intact....this was discussed yesterday but I can't say when or where he said this so please feel free to disregard.....

baden stating the skeleton was intact (articulated) is total nonsense because as has been reported, the bones were scattered over an acre. I do believe the ME, Dr. G. in her PC stated the skeleton was disarticulated, no bone held together to another bone. Sad.

[shelban53]

And those inquiries were written by people here who had to prove that the Anthonys were out for a buck, so basically this was a manipulated effort to get them to address the issue, and you can argue thats not the case, but the timing was too perfect, it was discussed and they were degraded for not updating their website, so a bunch of people sent emails asking if they could buy the rest of the stuff. Of course if someone is going to flood you with emails asking if you were still selling this stuff, well, if theres demand, and a supply, why not. It sucks the Anthonys thought people actually wanted to buy these things, and why not, the money was going to CHARITY anyways, not in their pockets, that has been stated over and over again.

I dont want a tshirt, I just want to know what charities the proceed are being donated to.

[Neffy]

This is so funny, all yesterday morning it was talked about if they are still selling T-shirts, hours later they make a statement saying, if anyone wants these, here is how to get them, because I am sure a few people here sent them emails inquiring, not because they wanted them, but to see if they were still making money off the shirts, so they probably took the inquiring as legit interest, when it was not and made that statement on their myspace based on the inquires, that were just made to find a reason to shun these people, its obvious to me, but please go on tearing these people apart, its pretty constructive.


I don't see this to be funny at all.

We set the Anthony's up?
That's a pretty strong accusation against all of us here.

Instead of the blanket statement "a few"

Which ones GemmaCat? Pray tell.

Bumping for Mallory Cat

You posted the same thing twice now.

[Barbara fl.]

You won't find me backing Lois, what she is doing to Dakota is a sin, but you also won't see me backing a woman who has shown no respect for her murdered granddaughter.



Amen .....I'm with you....

[SavannahStar]

Good morning everyone. Alert posters will remember that many moons ago, Mark Williams on Nancy Grace also said LE knows who the father is and it will be revealed at trial.

I wonder why it would be necessary for it to be "revealed" at trial.

I don't know who Mark Williams is.

I wonder if that's even true.

[Claire]

This is what I've been thinking as well all along.

And this "victim defense" goes hand in hand with the isolation of Casey. By isolating her from visits with her family members, they are preparing her mentally to roll over on her parents when the time comes to do that. I would not be surprised if sometime before the trial starts, that Casey Anthony herself does not make a public claim that something bad happened to her at the hands of her parents. Whether it is true or not, is irrelevant. The claim alone will give her some public sympathy and now they can find an impartial jury.

[Regina.Lampert]

I know the truth hurts.

(snipped for offensive word)


Say what you will but the fact is Dakota is still alive. Sure can't say the same for cynthia's granddaughter, can you?

[tootie]

IMO the Father is living.

This I wouldn't doubt. Since everything else that Casey has said is a lie. In that case he would have a right to know.

[Regina.Lampert]

I show respect for victims of crimes, I dont take this personally, if you want to think Cindy is a lower human being who does not have emotions or whatnot, go ahead, I am not cut like that and never will be.

jmo

Then why post very unfortunate and questionable things regarding Lois?

[summer4meplz]

That is so sad. If they know who the father is, and the father is deceased, then the grandparents have every right to know that this was their grandaughter too.


I don't THINK the father is deceased........

[dixielover]

BJ, that's exactly what my line of thought was and has been for a while. They are laying the groundwork with these leaks. If you watch the FOX news, you will notice, lots of leaks, setting up a "victim defense". Something they are going to reveal will set up Casey as a victim of a horrific experience, the victim of a crime, child abuse perhaps, something that would make the potential jurors start to sympathize with Casey. Think JURY POOL JURY POOL JURY POOL and go from there.


If they use a victim excuse - wouldn't KC at some point have to confess- or are you saying that you think they will say the another family member killed Caylee imo

[Claire]

Yes, the Defense has probably been mointering these message boards, they can read and see most people hold Cindy responsible for everything Casey, and of course they will try to go down that route, if they use Cindy as the reason why Casey is so messed up, she will walk!


Even if they have not seen these message boards, public opinion on the internet alone is virtually the same. Negative toward Cindy, growing negative toward George and suspicious of Lee. They will definitely use that to their advantage. They need to zero in on jurors who will end up with some sympathy toward their client, even if they have to create those jurors. Then all they have to do is to plant the seeds of doubt in their minds and poke a few holes in the State's case and there is a good chance that if they can accomplish that, then Casey will walk. At this point anything is possible, need I remind anyone of the first Simpson case?

[summer4meplz]

And those inquiries were written by people here who had to prove that the Anthonys were out for a buck, so basically this was a manipulated effort to get them to address the issue, and you can argue thats not the case, but the timing was too perfect, it was discussed and they were degraded for not updating their website, so a bunch of people sent emails asking if they could buy the rest of the stuff. Of course if someone is going to flood you with emails asking if you were still selling this stuff, well, if theres demand, and a supply, why not. It sucks the Anthonys thought people actually wanted to buy these things, and why not, the money was going to CHARITY anyways, not in their pockets, that has been stated over and over again.

why on earth would you want to spend your days with ppl who would resort to such disgusting behavior?

I don't agree at all with your statement that it was the people here that flooded the anthonys with requests......i might have to stop reading you.....

[Claire]

If they use a victim excuse - wouldn't KC at some point have to confess- or are you saying that you think they will say the another family member killed Caylee imo

No, what I am saying is that if they go for the public sympathy card, they can play that off so they can create jurors who might toy with the idea that something so horrific happened to this poor mother that there were extenuating circumstances why this happened, without forcing her to confess. The defense has to create some juror out there who will feel sorry for this mother who was somehow driven to the possiblity of killing her own child. They would not even have to change their defense. BRB.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, the Defense has probably been mointering these message boards, they can read and see most people hold Cindy responsible for everything Casey, and of course they will try to go down that route, if they use Cindy as the reason why Casey is so messed up, she will walk!

It's never gonna happen. IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

And this "victim defense" goes hand in hand with the isolation of Casey. By isolating her from visits with her family members, they are preparing her mentally to roll over on her parents when the time comes to do that. I would not be surprised if sometime before the trial starts, that Casey Anthony herself does not make a public claim that something bad happened to her at the hands of her parents. Whether it is true or not, is irrelevant. The claim alone will give her some public sympathy and now they can find an impartial jury.

Claire, you are aware that two witnesses have given LE statements that casey anthony told them she was the victim of abuse by george and sexual advances by lee. Two witnesses are Jesse Grund and Anthony Lazarro and their complete remarks can be found in their statements to LE on the Links Thread.

[breezie]

Yes, I realise that, but does that mean that everything he says must be coloured with the defense brush?

I mean, the guy is a forensic scientist who has appeared on Greta's show countless numbers of times in many different cases as an expert in forensics. Not as someone's husband, which it seems is all he has been reduced to since his wife became part of the defense team.

I don't care if his name is Baden or St Christopher or Mephistopheles. No-one should lose their status and credibility overnight simply by virtue of being someone's spouse. :shrug:

JMHO

Oh, that isn't the reason. See his *findings* in Spector or Schuss. He's bought and paid for. Shameful, really. And he admitted under oath that he can't define *conflict of interest*.

Stating that the body was intact, when we in fact know it was not is just insulting to us. That's why his credibility is in the toilet.

[dixielover]

It's never gonna happen. IMO

I'm glad I am not a juror- I would convict her on the 31 days and not have to listen to anything else jmo

[jakee]

Yes, the Defense has probably been mointering these message boards, they can read and see most people hold Cindy responsible for everything Casey, and of course they will try to go down that route, if they use Cindy as the reason why Casey is so messed up, she will walk!

I hope you are wrong! grrrr, but then would the defense have to admit that Casey killed Caylee to go that route?

[WillowInFlight]

I'm glad I am not a juror- I would convict her on the 31 days and not have to listen to anything else jmo

Between that, her actions afterwards, the car, the lies. I would bet my life savings that, that girl will spend her life looking at 4 walls.

[sunbutterfly]

Because I think Cindy has a soft spot in her heart for Dakota, and how could you not? There is a clip of Dakota walking hand in hand with George and Cindy at that vigil, I think they liked the girl, but are so appalled by her grandmother, and rightfully so.

One clip, one soft spot too bad it wasn't for her own grandaoughter. Maybe if Cindy spent time getting ready for the funeral and not sending e-mails, selling OLD t-shirts and tellings lies little Caylee could be laid to rest :)

[Barbara fl.]

And this "victim defense" goes hand in hand with the isolation of Casey. By isolating her from visits with her family members, they are preparing her mentally to roll over on her parents when the time comes to do that. I would not be surprised if sometime before the trial starts, that Casey Anthony herself does not make a public claim that something bad happened to her at the hands of her parents. Whether it is true or not, is irrelevant. The claim alone will give her some public sympathy and now they can find an impartial jury.


I believe that the defense has already suggested just that.....that will fall under mitigating circumstances at the penalty phase.....There will be alot of stuff thrown out there and the Anthony's will probably go along with it to try and get their daughter a shorter sentence....When all they had to do was have her tell the truth from the beginning and she would have received a much lighter sentence then she is going to....

[summer4meplz]

Great Post, ita.

It will be terrible if she walks, but it can happen.

she ain't walkin anywhere......the fraud charges alone will keep her in for a long long time

[CC I See]

I Understand that their reasoning is because of possible grave robbers. I gave that some thought and what makes them think someone won't try to rob them of the cremated remains of Caylee. They better get a secured vault for the ashes too while they're at it.
.... or they could scatter them in her favorite park where she was most happy. Ashes on a shelf makes no sense.

[Barbara fl.]

Between that, her actions afterwards, the car, the lies. I would bet my life savings that, that girl will spend her life looking at 4 walls.



I'll bet mine too.....Casey isn't going anywhere...she will be there fifty years from now...I hope she has come to terms with that fact....And Cindy, I understand, is still going in her daughters defense....unbelievable....

[enigma]

sad but true....but you would think that professional people with at least some inside information as to what is fact and what is not would want something that could be impeached in an instant to be accurate.... If for no other reason than to preserve their professional credibility...

CelticDawn, please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this discussion start with a poster who said (please note I'm paraphrasing, not quoting) that if they remember correctly , Dr Baden said the skeleton was intact... etc, etc. (I'll go find the post in a minute - it's at the beginning of the thread.)

It was not stated as fact that Dr Baden actually did say that.

What I personally heard him say on the GVS show was something along the lines that they managed to find just about all of Caylee's body remains that were scattered in that area. Scattered in the area and intact do not equte at all, quite the opposite.

Furthermore, also on the GVS show, I heard him make references several times to the lack of soft tissue on the skull/bones.

I'll be back with a quote of the original post that started this discussion, not for any other reason than there are enough twists and turns in this case as it is, IMHO.

Again, if I'm wrong and Dr Baden actually did say that, I will more than happily apologize.

JMHO

[Barbara fl.]

Yes, the Defense has probably been mointering these message boards, they can read and see most people hold Cindy responsible for everything Casey, and of course they will try to go down that route, if they use Cindy as the reason why Casey is so messed up, she will walk!



Not in your wildest dreams will Casey EVER walk out those doors....that is her home from now on.....

[JHP]

Not in your wildest dreams will Casey EVER walk out those doors....that is her home from now on.....

ITA the question in my mind is how large of a suite will she need by the time this whole thing is done. JMO

[Claire]

Claire, you are aware that two witnesses have given LE statements that casey anthony told them she was the victim of abuse by george and sexual advances by lee. Two witnesses are Jesse Grund and Anthony Lazarro and their complete remarks can be found in their statements to LE on the Links Thread.

Two witnesses giving statements does not create public sympathy.

[CelticDawn]

CelticDawn, please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this discussion start with a poster who said (please note I'm paraphrasing, not quoting) that if they remember correctly , Dr Baden said the skeleton was intact... etc, etc. (I'll go find the post in a minute - it's at the beginning of the thread.)

It was not stated as fact that Dr Baden actually did say that.

What I personally heard him say on the GVS show was something along the lines that they managed to find just about all of Caylee's body remains that were scattered in that area. Scattered in the area and intact do not equte at all, quite the opposite.

Furthermore, also on the GVS show, I heard him make references several times to the lack of soft tissue on the skull/bones.

I'll be back with a quote of the original post that started this discussion, not for any other reason than there are enough twists and turns in this case as it is, IMHO.

Again, if I'm wrong and Dr Baden actually did say that, I will more than happily apologize.

JMHO

Nothing to apologize for.



I still have to wonder about all of the professionals that have "misspoken"...or "misremembered" things to their own ends in this case. Profesional credibility. ...???

[Barbara fl.]

Are you ignoring the fact that defense has not released the body for burial or cremation because they need it for further tests? Or would you rather ignore the facts and pretend they dont exist?

Knowledge is Power.



Are you ignoring the fact that the remains are at a funeral home and not the morgue....they have already been released.....They are waiting for a proper burial.....it is dispicable that poor Caylee's remains have to stay in a cardboard box until someone gets ready to bury her...

Laci and Conner were buried faster then this......there is NO sane reason for any holdup......UNLESS, of course the remains were already cremated and the ashes given to the Anthony's and they don't want any one to know.....

[*MoonRider*]

I need to take a break for a while :seeya: I'll be back when the soap operas come on. :wink:

[Pat]

Good morning everyone. Alert posters will remember that many moons ago, Mark Williams on Nancy Grace also said LE knows who the father is and it will be revealed at trial.

Thanks so much, Regina. I'm not an alert poster. :biggrin: Interesting bit, that, and I'm sure will lead to much speculation.

Can anyone tell me if the old Court TV morning programs are still on the air? If so, is this case ever discussed? TIA

(The only TV I ever see/hear anymore is geared towards the 10-yr old demographic...but! I do get up first thing in the morning and look out the window to see if the world has ended. Figure I can see for myself and don't need to hear the 'whys/why not' spin on cable news shows.)

[sunbutterfly]

Are you ignoring the fact that defense has not released the body for burial or cremation because they need it for further tests? Or would you rather ignore the facts and pretend they dont exist?

Knowledge is Power.

IMO you may have had a little bit too much kool aid :)
I do not ignore anything and have not posted much because of the antagonism created by posters like you. alot like Cindy IMO

I too will not read your posts anymore

[Claire]

Never say never.

OJ walked.

The Defense needs about 12 people who hate Cindy Anthony, build a defense about how hard it was being raised by Cindy, and how it can affect a person, and there are so many people here who rant about Cindy more than a person who ended a childs life, which is weird, and she will walk. You just got to convince one person.

jmo

Exactly, Gemma. And I believe this is the defense strategy. Go watch Fox News and you will see we are right on this one!

[sukapi]

The Anthonys considering cremating Caylee for the reasons they stated is absolutely ridiculous. How stupid do they think we are?

You know what? Why announce and make a big deal out of it? It should be a personal decision without having to announce it to the world.

Unreal.

Well, call me stupid then because I actually believe some ghoulish people would try to unearth her remains to make a few bucks.
Just because Anna Nicole Smiths (actually a terrible comparison, but hey, I didn't make it, it was on TV last night) remains haven't been disturbed, I would lay a bet that someone would try it with our precious baby Caylee. :unsure:

[CC I See]

Claire, you are aware that two witnesses have given LE statements that casey anthony told them she was the victim of abuse by george and sexual advances by lee. Two witnesses are Jesse Grund and Anthony Lazarro and their complete remarks can be found in their statements to LE on the Links Thread.

... not an excuse though for the defense. Abuse does not make a person a murderer, just ask the many who have suffered such fate. At this point, there is no defense for Casey's actions and although victims of such abuse merits sympathy, Caylee's life was more precious than any mental anguish Casey may have suffered. Besides we all know what a liar she is, who would believe her?

[Regina.Lampert]

Two witnesses giving statements does not create public sympathy.

How many do you think are necessary.

[WillowInFlight]

Never say never.

OJ walked.

The Defense needs about 12 people who hate Cindy Anthony, build a defense about how hard it was being raised by Cindy, and how it can affect a person, and there are so many people here who rant about Cindy more than a person who ended a childs life, which is weird, and she will walk. You just got to convince one person.

jmo

It's never gonna happen.

[CC I See]

Not in your wildest dreams will Casey EVER walk out those doors....that is her home from now on.....

I tend to agree and then I think... OJ.

[desmom]

No, what I am saying is that if they go for the public sympathy card, they can play that off so they can create jurors who might toy with the idea that something so horrific happened to this poor mother that there were extenuating circumstances why this happened, without forcing her to confess. The defense has to create some juror out there who will feel sorry for this mother who was somehow driven to the possiblity of killing her own child. They would not even have to change their defense. BRB.


I think Casey's 31 days of pole dancing, text messages, spending spree, decomp evidence in the trunk of her car and lies to LE will be hard for any juror to ignore. jmo

ETA ~ IMO, the defense can throw out the extenuating circumstances as to why Casey killed Caylee, but I think her hiding the death will show she knew what she did was wrong.

[Pat]

And this "victim defense" goes hand in hand with the isolation of Casey. By isolating her from visits with her family members, they are preparing her mentally to roll over on her parents when the time comes to do that. I would not be surprised if sometime before the trial starts, that Casey Anthony herself does not make a public claim that something bad happened to her at the hands of her parents. Whether it is true or not, is irrelevant. The claim alone will give her some public sympathy and now they can find an impartial jury.

Hasn't this already started? I seem to recall (from another board) that accusations started to leak out some time ago, after Casey's arrest. I figured when I read it that this was going to be the defense's 'defense'. Yeah, Casey did it, but gosh! look at the poor girl's family life. Now give her a free pass.

[CelticDawn]

I tend to agree and then I think... OJ.

However....from forensics alone, there is more evidence against casey....Things we havent heard.....yet.

[Barbara fl.]

Never say never.

OJ walked.

The Defense needs about 12 people who hate Cindy Anthony, build a defense about how hard it was being raised by Cindy, and how it can affect a person, and there are so many people here who rant about Cindy more than a person who ended a childs life, which is weird, and she will walk. You just got to convince one person.

jmo


Sorry but mitigating factors DO NOT release a person from jail....in fact, 99% of the time it wont even reduce the sentence by a month....

The onlt case I ever heard of it helping was "Cody Posey" the young man that killed his father and step mother and step sister and will be out at 21 years of age....but that was sort of proven by all the witnesses to what this young man had been thru....

There is NO WAY, Casey will ever be able to even hint that her life was bad with C and G....She lived rent free, she had her own room and well as Caylee having her own room, her parents gave her a car....her parents supported both her and her daughter. Casey basically came from a family that alot of people out here would have loved to come from.....

Casey is going for life...never to see the outside world again other then thru the windows in prison.....

[Duckaroo]

Once a jury listens to those calls like, Casey's response to her friend when she talks about she would die if anything happens(ed)to Caylee, or about how all they're worried about right now is (finding)Caylee, that, along with waiting 31 days, the evidence from the car trunk, autopsy and crime scene photos..plus all the other things I know I've left out. I personally feel there is no way KC will walk out of that courtroom or out of a jail cell ever again.

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks so much, Regina. I'm not an alert poster. :biggrin: Interesting bit, that, and I'm sure will lead to much speculation.

Can anyone tell me if the old Court TV morning programs are still on the air? If so, is this case ever discussed? TIA

(The only TV I ever see/hear anymore is geared towards the 10-yr old demographic...but! I do get up first thing in the morning and look out the window to see if the world has ended. Figure I can see for myself and don't need to hear the 'whys/why not' spin on cable news shows.)

Hi Patty, even when TTV is showing a trial, every now and again the anchors, Lisa, Jamie etc...will discuss the events of this case. I find that Headline News thru CNN has coverage that is ongoing thru out the day, and then starting around 6pm thru 7pm with Jane Velez Mitchell, onto 8pm with Nancy.

[Loves2Read]

Once again, the body is not in the Morgue, because the STATE is done with it, where else do you think it would go after that? They need the body for further testing, its only been talked about on every news program, so pin your anger on Casey, not the Anthonys, the ball is in Caseys court, not theirs.

Are you ignoring the fact that the defense had the remains delivered to an area funeral home more than a week ago. IIRC The media has been taking pictures and reporting that NO ONE has gone there to see about those remains since they have been delivered.


Believing stories made up by the Athony's defense lawyer is not knowledge or power.

[playnice]

I believe living under the same roof with cindy would mess anyone up in the head. I do believe that has alot to do with Casey being messed up.
But do you know how many people out there come from dysfunctional homes, abuse etc? How many of them are killing their kids? Casey is an adult that made a choice. For every action in life there is a consequence.
Casey alone murdered her daughter. I do believe that whole family is warped but doesnt excuse their actions.
They are sane enough to be held responsible.

[tootie]

I don't believe she will walk either. She may as well hang a sign up in her cell that says, "Home Sweet Home".

[Pruddennce]

Ive really tried to understand cindy. ...just as a human being....everyone deserves reconsideration when they have been bombarded by such a horror in their lives....but it seems she has been the one firing off all these volleys....The Narcissist that bred and bore the sociopath...she was NOT in denial....she was and is living in her world ...one she created and is hell bent on controlling to the bitter end...

No redeeming qualities.

the only sympathetic character in this case, is the victim, Caylee Anthony. the rest of them are bottom feeders, the entire Anthony family are despicable.

they invited the media to share in their lies publically. they deserve to be vilified publically now. and the media should turn their back on them regarding any kind of public show. they should be a no-show....whats to cover? a wailing Cindy, made-up and dressed for success and a few songs on behalf of the deceased? a public display of 'we are grieving', look at me?

first off, when planning final arrangements, its either private or it isnt. private meaning, the family and their minister preside over the remains.

if its public, its a regular obit. whoever shows up shows up. there are no PROVISIONS legally as to who can step into a house of worship and who cant.

unless they file a TRO with regard to their 'list' of unwanted's. on what basis? 'we dont like so and so'?

I am unable to select choice words to describe my feelings for Cindy A et al. therefore:

barf

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Mandymax]

Once a jury listens to those calls like, Casey's response to her friend when she talks about she would die if anything happens(ed)to Caylee, or about how all they're worried about right now is (finding)Caylee, that, along with waiting 31 days, the evidence from the car trunk, autopsy and crime scene photos..plus all the other things I know I've left out. I personally feel there is no way KC will walk out of that courtroom or out of a jail cell ever again.

Stupid question: Can they use those jailhouse videos as evidence?

[WillowInFlight]

Are you ignoring the fact that the defense had the remains delivered to an area funeral home more than a week ago. IIRC The media has been taking pictures and reporting that NO ONE has gone there to see about those remains since they have been delivered.


Believing stories made up by the Athony's defense lawyer is not knowledge or power.

It has been reported that Cindy and George did in fact go and sit with the remains for a short while.

[Regina.Lampert]

... not an excuse though for the defense. Abuse does not make a person a murderer, just ask the many who have suffered such fate. At this point, there is no defense for Casey's actions and although victims of such abuse merits sympathy, Caylee's life was more precious than any mental anguish Casey may have suffered. Besides we all know what a liar she is, who would believe her?

Yes, quite the problem for the liar isn't it. But, what if cynthia and the rest of the anthony bunch back up her lies in order to give her some kind of defense? Wouldn't put that past them one bit.

[Barbara fl.]

Once again, the body is not in the Morgue, because the STATE is done with it, where else do you think it would go after that? They need the body for further testing, its only been talked about on every news program, so pin your anger on Casey, not the Anthonys, the ball is in Caseys court, not theirs.


Again, I repeat...there is no logical reason for Caylee's remains not to have been put to rest properly.....Are you trying to say that when Casey is found guilty of first degree murder the defense would like to hold on to the remains for an appeal?....As for it being all over the media...I do not recall the media giving a reason for the burial delay, infact the media keeps questioning the hold up....

So, again, I say...there is NO PLAUSABLE REASON to hold up a burial now.....that body has been checked and rechecked and rechecked....what could they possibly be looking for? And please do not try and answer that because there is NO answer....Unless Henry Lee wants to spit some ketchup around......